Islamic Army in Iraq Video Shows Downed Helicopter, Survivor Murdered Over Kevin Sites Video (images--UPDATED III)

UPDATE 1/25/2006: A new video posted by a terrorist group in Iraq shows a downed Blackwater chopper in Baghdad. Click link or go to MAIN PAGE for more recent news and terror videos from Iraq.
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Update: Victims' identities begin to be revealed. Scroll down for updates.

The Islamic Army in Iraq has released a videotape in which they claim responsibility for the downing of a civilian helicopter in Iraq in which 11 were killed, including 6 Americans. The Jawa Report has obtained a copy of the video. The video may be downloaded here [see April 22nd]. Extremely graphic images from the video are posted below.

The video shows the downed helicopter, which is the first civilian aircraft shot down in Iraq. In the past, the Islamic Army in Iraq has claimed to shoot down aircraft, but these were always unmanned military drones.

Of the eleven on board, one man survived, but was severely wounded. The wounded man had apparently crawled away and was hiding in tall grass some distance from the crash. The helicopter can be seeen burning in the distant background. The man's accent reveals him to be an American, not a Bulgarian or Belgian as is being reported in the press. (Update) According to this AP story, the man is positively identified as the Bulgarian pilot Lyubomir Kostov. I stand corrected. Except for the rolling of his r's, his English was perfect and American accented. (thanks to Chad for tracking this down).

Unaware of who has found him, the American says to them, "give me a hand. Give me a hand. It's broken..."

The terrorists help him up and then ask him, "Weapons?" then order him to "Go! Go!" The man is able to walk. "Carry out God's verdict," they say. They then shoot him as he holds his hand up. He is murdered in cold blood as the terrorists yell "Allahu akhbar!" shooting him over and over.

The terrorists murder the man on the video. In a statement released with the video, the Islamic Army in Iraq says they killed the man in retaliation for the "cold blood in the mosques of tireless Fallujah before the eyes of the world and on television screens, without anyone condemning them."

This is a reference to the video released by American journalist Kevin Sites showing a Marine killing a wounded Iraqi insurgent who was playing dead inside a mosque in Fallujah. The Marine was later cleared of all wrong doing. His unit had encountered this type of feigning before with tragic results.

When that video was released, The Jawa Report claimed that Sites' actions in releasing the video would directly lead to more deaths and destruction in Iraq/


Houston Chronicle:

Thursday's chartered flight was believed to be the first civilian aircraft shot down in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion two years ago. The dead included six American bodyguards for U.S. diplomats, three Bulgarian crew and two security guards from Fiji, officials said.

The helicopter went down about 12 miles north of Baghdad. Associated Press Television News footage showed burning wreckage from the craft and personal belongings scattered across a wide area.

U.S. officials could not confirm the cause of the crash. However, the Bulgarian Defense Ministry said the helicopter was struck by missile fire.

Bulgarian Defense Minister Nikolai Svinarov said today the crash was a "terrorist attack," but it will not affect Bulgaria's military involvement in Iraq.

"Bulgaria should not waver under terrorist pressure," said Svinarov, whose country has a 460-member contingent in Iraq.

A group calling itself the Islamic Army in Iraq posted a video on the Internet Thursday purporting to show the shooting of a survivor.

The authenticity of the footage, posted on a Web forum often used by militant groups, could not be confirmed. A U.S. Embassy official in Baghdad said he had no knowledge that anyone on board survived the crash and was killed later.

"Heroes of the Islamic Army downed a transport aircraft belonging to the army of the infidels and killed its crew and those on board in the regions of al-Taji north of Baghdad," the group said in a written statement accompanying the video. "One of the crew members was captured and killed."

In the footage, which shows burning wreckage and two charred bodies, militants come across an injured man wearing a blue flightsuit lying in tall grass. His nationality was not immediately known.

"It's broken," he says in accented English, apparently referring to his leg, as militants — unseen except in brief glances — tell him to stand up. "Weapons? Weapons?" the gunmen ask him in Arabic and English as he stands uneasily.

The gunmen tell him, "Go!", and the survivor starts to hobble away, holding his hands up toward them. The gunmen then open fire, shouting "Allahu akbar!" or "God is great!" with the bullets hitting his body. They fire more shots into his body on the ground.

The six Americans were employed by Blackwater Security Consulting, a subsidiary of North Carolina-based security contractor Blackwater USA, which had four employees slain and mutilated by insurgents in Fallujah a year ago — deaths that touched off a Marine assault on insurgents in the city.

The Islamic Army statement said it killed the survivor "in revenge for the Muslims who have been killed in cold blood in the mosques of tireless Fallujah before the eyes of the world and on television screens, without anyone condemning them." It was apparently referring to the Nov. 13 shooting by an American soldier of a wounded Iraqi in a Fallujah mosque during a U.S. offensive in the city.

Developing.........

UPDATE 11:40:One victim identified as Jason Obert, of El Paso. News 4 Colorado:

A former El Paso County sheriff's deputy was among the six American contractors killed Thursday when insurgent missile fire downed a commercial helicopter outside of Baghdad, Iraq, a Colorado Springs television station reported.

Jason Obert left the sheriff's office in February to earn extra money working in Iraq for Blackwater Security Consulting, KKTV-TV reported. The company is a subsidiary of North Carolina-based Blackwater USA.

Obert is survived by a wife and two boys, the station reported.

Update II 1:55: Another victim identified. Stephen Matthew McGovern, of Danville KY. Danville Advocate Messenger:

Stephen Matthew McGovern, of Danville, has died in Iraq, his family confirmed today.

McGovern was involved in a helicopter crash, according to his stepfather, who said the family was notified Thursday night....

McGovern had been a sergeant in the National Guard with the 20th Special Forces Group in Louisville. He got out of the Guard in February, according to a spokesman there....

UPDATE III 2:35: Long-time collaborator of The Jawa Report and sometimes contributor Interested Participant hunts down a few more names.

Jim Atalifo and Timoci Lalaqila were the two Fijians killed, as reported in The Australian

The three Bulgarians are named as pilots Lyubomir Kostov and Georgi Naidenov and board-engineer Stoyan Anchev by the Bulgarian News Network.

Others covering the story: I would urge these sites NOT to link to Ogrish, which is a snuff site. An alternate video can be found at this anti-terrorism site. Ranting Profs, Michelle Malkin, Blogs of War, Hyscience, Speed of Thought, In the Bullpen, Blogger Beer, Bittersweet Me, The Tomo Report, Kill Righty, The Blue Site, Dangerous Dan, Caos Blog, Dread Pundit Bluto, Outside the Beltway, Rambling's Journal,

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES BELOW!!

I show these images because they reveal the true face of the 'insurgency we are fighting'. COLD. BLOODED. MURDERERS. AND. COWARDS.


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Posted by: Rusty at 08:28 AM

Comments

1 It was despicable, but maybe they were just mad about something. We should ask them.

--Collin

Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 09:06 AM

2 RUSTY,
WOULD YOU CONSIDER HAVING AN "OFF TOPIC" STRING? PEOPLE COULD USE IT TO POST THEIR IDEAS ON ANY SUBJECT. YOU COULD REFRESH THE STRING BY ERASING POSTINGS EVERY SEVERAL DAYS.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 09:16 AM

3 Once again the Religion Of Peace doing what they do best.

Days like this I wish we'd stoop to their level and starting sawing the heads off these assholes and videotape that.

Bastards.

Posted by: disgruntledinca at April 22, 2005 09:16 AM

4 Maybe they just need a hug, or a puppy! Everyone feels better with a puppy! Oh wait, now I remember that video out of Afghanistan when these people were testing chemical weapons... eh, scratch the puppy idea, these jerks are beyond help.

Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 09:18 AM

5 No words can express the sadness and the anger at savergy like this.

Posted by: Bubbe at April 22, 2005 09:21 AM

6 Collin will justify the killing. It is only a matter of time.

Bush is hitler. CHimp Awol.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 22, 2005 09:24 AM

7 Senate Set to OK $81B War Spending Bill

The Senate moved toward approving $81 billion for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan on Thursday in a measure that would push the total cost of combat and reconstruction past $300 billion.

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050421/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq_spending_7&printer=1

A billion seconds ago, it was 1959.

A billion minutes ago, Jesus was alive.

A billion hours ago, our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.

A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate Washington spends it.

And it's YOUR money.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 09:26 AM

8 Yup and I have no problem spending more.

I don't really care if we saddle our grandkids with debt. If we don't, they will be dead. Or speaking arabic and wearing burkas.

So, spend all you want Bush. Just keep killing the filth that is the enemy.

Posted by: obsnooks at April 22, 2005 09:49 AM

9 Say greg, any comments about the matter at hand given this is NOT an "off topic" thread? Also, I could give you a billion sperm in way less than 8 hours if that helps your point. Oh yeah, that's pretty off topic for me to offer.

Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 10:01 AM

10 Wine

No opportunity to attempt to turn the conversation away from his murderous heroes will be wasted. You see, it is more important to talk about the dollar cost to us than to express outrage that humans can be this evil. I wonder what cost you could put on the pain that this video will cause the families of those murdered.

Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 10:07 AM

11 Well,
Fanatics are there everywhere. However it does not give US any permission to attack any country and teach their people. US should mind their own business rather then attacking and killing people in the name of democracy. Iraq was much better before. The difference is, Nobody can see how US is killing 1000s and all can see how these fanatics are killing 1-5 people. Killing must stop from both sides.

Posted by: JK at April 22, 2005 10:12 AM

12 greg,

the cash has always been one of my concerns, I'll admit it. But we're in it now and we have to finish.

But cash has never been a concern for the Left. That's what Leftism is about-- the government spending it's cash.

So why the newfound concern? How bout we talk about the issue at hand instead of trying to distract with faux concerns about cash.

What are your thoughts of finding a non-combatant in the bushes, lifting him to his feet and then blowing him away in the name of Allah. Any comment?

Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 10:14 AM

13 "I don't really care if we saddle our grandkids with debt. If we don't, they will be dead. Or speaking arabic and wearing burkas"-Obsnooks

No third world people are going to threaten our way of life. This is pure chickenlittle, the sky is falling, hysteria.

Wine, keep your 27 sperm. There might be one swimmer in the bunch Numbnutz.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:16 AM

14 Oh yeah, greg, could you show your math on that? I was never much good at figurin' numbers, but I think a billion seconds is only about 31 years. But I could certainly be wrong... just I think it would be nice to show all your work for your mismatched units. Here is my work.

1 year = about 31,536,000 seconds (1 day = 86,400)

Therefore, 1,000,000,000/31,536,000 = the number of years 1 billion seconds is (31.7 years).

Like I said, I could be wrong...

Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 10:16 AM

15 Moonbats will always blame the USA.


What the moonbats don't understand is, no matter what the US policy is, this evil filth we call the muslim will want to kill us infidels anyway because we don't believe in their pimp scumbag of a God.

Why don't you moonbats go hug a terrorist and try to understand their inner torment. I will be happy to pick up your head after you are done.

Posted by: filthy allah at April 22, 2005 10:18 AM

16 "What are your thoughts of finding a non-combatant in the bushes, lifting him to his feet and then blowing him away in the name of Allah. Any comment?-Carlos

Obviously it's despicable. It reminds me of the American soldier who emptied his weapon into a wounded Iraqi.

Changing the subject...
are you in congressional district 16 by any chance? Do you know of Rep. Ron Paul from Texas? If so what is your opinion of him.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:21 AM

17 "Iraq was much better before"

The average Iraqi would disagree with this sentiment. Now, those that played along with the murderous regime might have been better off, until they crossed the dictator that is.

Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 10:22 AM

18 Is it just me or is Greg making excuses for the terrorists?

Posted by: obsnooks at April 22, 2005 10:24 AM

19 "No third world people are going to threaten our way of life. This is pure chickenlittle, the sky is falling, hysteria."

Tell that to those that had their lives ended by those 'third world people'. Of course, this is where we here that it was really Bush that killed those people. No facts that can't be answered with conspiracy. As long as the USA is painted as the bad guy, everything is good with your little worldview.

Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 10:26 AM

20 I bet Greg and Collin are both members of the "Free John Walker Lindh" club.

Walker Lindh the nancy boy who uses a Maiden name, should have been executed. Greg & Collin are terrorist sympathizers and should be treated as such.

Posted by: filthy allah at April 22, 2005 10:32 AM

21 It's just you.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:33 AM

22 It's just you.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:34 AM

23 I think greg is pulling a half and half... half making excuses for terrorists, half comparing the US troops to terrorists. Its the two pronged assault!

Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 10:35 AM

24 "I bet Greg and Collin are both members of the "Free John Walker Lindh" club." - Filthy

I didn't know there was such a club. But the man was in Afghanistan before the Americans arrived. What was he to do? Runaway and get shot in the back?

He should write a book about his adventures. I think it'd be a best seller.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:39 AM

25 It reminds me of the American soldier who emptied his weapon into a wounded Iraqi.

greg,

the wounded Iraqi was wounded in a gunfight with our GIs. He was a combatant, and he was feigning death, and a potential threat. That's why feigning death goes against the Geneva Conventions-- to protect the injured party, and also a soldier who's turned his back to the injured party. When you place yourself outside the GC you can't appeal to them afterwards. I would have shot him too.

Here on the other hand, we had a non-combatant Bulgarian, and his shooting was used for propaganda purposes so they could release it to the internet. I see no comparison between his killing and that which occurred in that mosque-- mosque being used as headquarters by insurgents. Shame on them, muslims using mosques to shoot at GIs from.

Changing the subject...I think Ron Paul if just fine, why do you ask?

Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 10:45 AM

26 The man who is shot is an American.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 22, 2005 10:46 AM

27 Right now foreign countries hold a bunch of our debt..including China and a number of OPEC countries, like Saudi Arabia. I say we file an international Chapter 13 with respect to debts owed China dn the Islamic world...after we have run up the debt some more, and killed a whole lot more of these bastards with their money.

Posted by: Mr. K at April 22, 2005 10:47 AM

28 Mr. K

If we really just wanted to kill them all, we could do so without even getting up from our chairs.

Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 10:52 AM

29 "the wounded Iraqi was wounded in a gunfight with our GIs. He was a combatant, and he was feigning death, and a potential threat."-Carlos

You don't know that he was "feigning death". There is no justification for either killing.

I like Ron Paul. He's an old school Republican/Libertarian who's against the war, spending all this money and the Federal Reserve. My kind of Republican. His district covers much of the hill country. I''m just outside of it now but I lived in his district for 8 years. I just thought it might include Boerne.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:56 AM

30 "Right now foreign countries hold a bunch of our debt..including China and a number of OPEC countries, like Saudi Arabia. I say we file an international Chapter 13 with respect to debts owed China dn the Islamic world"- Mr. K

This is the best thing I''ve read on this site yet. I agree 100%. The American people need a clean economic slate followed by prudent fiscal policy.There was a US Congressman by the name of Traficante who urged a declaration of Bankruptsy. He's in jail now.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 11:01 AM

31 Yeah, something about Traficante and massive personal corrpution keeps coming to mind... I guess he was doing quite well as a result, economically (well, before the conviction and rejection by voters in his district). If only we could all follow his road to wealth.

Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 11:06 AM

32 Oops, his name is Traficant. Here is his Chapter 11 speach to Congress from 1993:
http://100777.com/node/789

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 11:10 AM

33 Greg, Paul & Collin. Just admit it. You want to see more and more Americans Killed because you believe we deserve to die.

You are supporters of the terrorists. You have proven it over and over through your posts. Just admit that you hate America. Get it off your puny hairless chests. You will feel better.

Then, please join up with the Jihadis so that our marines can kill you.

Posted by: filthy allah at April 22, 2005 11:37 AM

34 Filthy,
I assure you that I love our country. I think that getting out of debt and reaching out to our allies is the best course of action. We wiilll never defeat Islam but there can be reconcilliation. This will be one of Pope Benedict XVI's highest priorities.

I wish I had a hairless chest, I look like bigfoot when I take off my shirt.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 11:44 AM

35 Greg, I am sure you hate your country. We have reached out to our true allies. France & Germany are not allies. Nor is Russia.

UK is an Allie as is Poland, Austrailia, Japan, Bulgaria, Afganistan, South Korea, Urkraine.

Only you libs demand we Kow Tow to the criminal UN and the cowardly Frogs and germans.

Posted by: obsnooks at April 22, 2005 11:50 AM

36 You don't know that he was "feigning death". There is no justification for either killing.

greg,

yes I do, it's on the tape. The marine exclaims, and I quote "he's faking it, he's faking it!" Then he shoots him.

thanks for playing.

Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 11:51 AM

37 Folks,
As per request, I have posted an open thread. Please take OT discussion there.

Thanks,
Rusty Shackleford

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 22, 2005 11:55 AM

38 There will be no reconcilliation with Radical Islam. I know that you have already reconciled with them Greg since you are an avid supporter of the "freedom fighters."

Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 22, 2005 11:55 AM

39 "yes I do, it's on the tape. The marine exclaims, and I quote "he's faking it, he's faking it!" Then he shoots him."-Carlos

Carlos,
Just because the marine says, "he's faking it", doesn't make it so. One could say that about many severely wounded people.

No comment about Rep. Ron Paul??

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 11:58 AM

40 IIRC the marine who capped the "dead" guy in the Mosque was slightly wonded the day or two before in a similar situation and one of his fellow marines was killed by such an attack.

This is war the terrorists know it, our soliders know it, but all too many out of the zone do not know it.

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at April 22, 2005 12:02 PM

41 Unlike you and your ilk Greg, the rest of us will give the brave Marine the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: ObSnooks at April 22, 2005 12:06 PM

42 Leave my pet elk Thrasher out of this.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 12:59 PM

43 Is it really against the Geneva Convention to feign death? I doubt it.
How does one know when one is feigning death or is just severely wounded?
If I knew that the enemy was in the habit of shooting the wounded I would feign death.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 01:03 PM

44 You wingnuts sure are a piece of work.

One minute you're rejoicing that an an American and aid worker (Zurika, or whatever her name was)was killed on the airport road in Baghdad in a bombing meant for a military convoy. You call her a traitor and say she got what she deserved because she "knew the dangers".

The next minute, you're shedding faux crocidile tears about the deaths of a bunch of hired merecenaries from Blackwater, Inc. and screaming murder, "terruhrists", etc. when those clowns went over to Iraq to make a $hitload of cash.

It's a wonder all of your heads don't explode from the cognitive dissonance. You ignore the fact that the rationale for invading Iraq was completely trumped up. You ignore the fact that Ronnie Raygun took Saddam and Iraq of terrorist list in 1983. You ignore the fact that the US sold him bacterial strains in the '80s and equipment to build up a WMD arsenal. you ignore the fact that it was all destroyed in the 90s. You ignore the fact that Iraq, according to the State Department, was the only country in the ME that didn't have Al Qaeda there until we invaded the place and put 150k+ American there as targets. You ignore the fact that Iraq had diddlysquat to do with 9/11. And then you act surprised that every single swinging Iraqi isn't grateful for having an occupying Army on their soil.

Even worse, you get manipulated like a flock of scared sheep by the Rethugs in Washington, the military-industrial, adn big oil interests who are making billions off your fear while they run our economy into the ground.

The rampant stupidity and unwarranted hubris of many Americans today would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. I would laugh about it but for the fact that I'm an American too and will have to live and suffer with the fact you stupid scared sheep in the Rethuglican Party are going to send the US down the shitter.

Posted by: False Prophet at April 22, 2005 01:05 PM

45 If I had been in that marines boots, I would have shot that guy as well. Do you really believe that soldiers should try to second guess themselves for the sake of liberal opinion when their very lives are on the line. This is not Vietnam. This was Fallujah, not Mai Lai. The soldiers in Iraq are not the bloodthirsty savages raping and killing anyone and everyone they see. If that was actually the case, you would see tons of definitive films, photos, and stories pouring out of the area. Instead, we see two-bit porno flicks being posted on paranoid conspiracy theory sites being touted as actual torture and rape of Iraqis. That injured man was murdered. Comparing that marine to the coward with the AK-47 has got to be the most chickenshit thing I've ever heard.

Posted by: REMF at April 22, 2005 01:23 PM

46 Here here False Prophet. The only fault I find with your arguement is that you have singled out the Republicans. The Democrats are just as guilty of all the charges you've made. They tried to out Bush, Bush.
The Libertarian Party is where it's at.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 01:23 PM

47 False Prophet is well named, since his rant is all false.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 22, 2005 01:28 PM

48 False is right. Prophet my ass. Sound just like another whiner liberal. You lost the election, but support the man in charge, dammit.

Posted by: angryblackman at April 22, 2005 01:29 PM

49 Angryblackman,
You've GOT to meet Greyrooster. He's a racist Klansman (for real) and I don't think he would know what to do with a conservative black man.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 01:35 PM

50 Talked to a rooster earlier--hes in the klan? Shit.

Posted by: angryblackman at April 22, 2005 01:41 PM

51 On feigning death in the Geneva Convention:

Art 37. Prohibition of Perfidy

1. [...]The following acts are examples of perfidy:

(a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender;
(b) the feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;
(c) the feigning of civilian, non-combatant status; and
(d) the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.

The mosque feigner combatant deserved to be shot. The innocent, injured non-combatant on that chopper was simply murdered.

And you equate the two, essentially stabbing our GIs in the back at every opportunity. shame shame shame.

Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 01:45 PM

52 Greyrooster is not Klan. He just says that to piss people off, including me. I've had this conversation with him already.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 22, 2005 01:50 PM

53 Hey, how did False Prophet get through his entire rant without using the word "hegemony"? Well done, my friend. You've just about covered the entire MTV talking points collection. It reads as if I was reading bumper stickers in succession in the Wild Oats parking lot. Somebody get this man a shot of wheat grass!

Posted by: Sean the INFDL at April 22, 2005 02:04 PM

54 Rusty,

I have heard on the news that the innocent man that was murdered by greg's freedom fighters was a bulgarian and that he has been ID by the company that owned the MI-8 that was shot down. Seen it at several places. Just thought I would letcha know....

Posted by: Duncan Avatar at April 22, 2005 02:06 PM

55 Whoever he was, I pray that his family will be able to get through life without him. He was doing good in the world, and what he got for his bravery was murdered by cowardly scumbags. May their acts come back upon them a thousand fold.

Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 02:09 PM

56 "The mosque feigner combatant deserved to be shot."-Carlos

You don't know if he was incapacitated or not. He was essentially a prisoner of war at the time he was murdered. Neither man deserved to be murdered.
'Cause of hegemony and all!

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 02:10 PM

57 Prophet don't know his belly from his bunghole. Liberal SUV drivin motherfucking goon.

Posted by: angryblackman at April 22, 2005 02:12 PM

58 He was essentially a prisoner of war at the time he was murdered.

No, he had not surrendered.

He was feigning death.

Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 02:49 PM

59 "No, he had not surrendered".-Carlos

Was he given an opportunity to surrender? Was he conscious?

"He was feigning death."-Carlos

You don't know that. They shot a prisoner of war at nearly point blank range. There were plenty of soldiers who could of covered as he was taken into custody.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 03:01 PM

60 Carlos,
Why don't you ask your priest/pastor/minister for some guidance. I'll bet he//she can cure you of some of your blood lust.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 03:06 PM

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Posted by: Ob snooks at April 22, 2005 03:22 PM

62 Greg, Quit being Hitler.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 22, 2005 03:23 PM

63 Right away sir!

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 03:29 PM

64 “In their Web statement, the Islamic Army in Iraq said it killed the surviving crewman “in revenge for the Muslims killed in the mosques of Fallujah.” It apparently referred to the Nov. 13 shooting of a wounded Iraqi by an American soldier in a Fallujah mosque during a U.S. offensive in the city.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7600400/

No shit! I guess what goes around comes around.
The "survivor" who was shot was the Bulgarian pilot of the chopper.

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 03:57 PM

65 >>>"No shit! I guess what goes around comes around."

greg,

those 50 bodies rotting in the river. I wonder what your freedom fighters were revenging when they did that.

the bombs going off in shiite mosques. I wonder what your freedom fighters were revenging when they did that.

My point is this, they claim it's revenge only to provide themselves some moral cover, and to mobilize your Lefties in their defense. But the truth is, they'd be killing/bombing no matter what.


Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 04:13 PM

66 "My point is this, they claim it's revenge only to provide themselves some moral cover, and to mobilize your Lefties in their defense. But the truth is, they'd be killing/bombing no matter what."-Carlos

Yes and we justify our actions by saying we are liberators as if we give a shit about the Iraqi people. The truth is we want revenge for 9-11.
There are no angels here. No angels in war. No morality. What do you expect when you open up the Pandora's Box of war?

And one last thing. I've told you I'm not a leftist at least 5 times. This is getting old. I couldn't stand Clinton and I can't stand Bush. I like guys like Pat Buchanon. Rep. Ron Paul, former Rep. Bob Barr - all Republicans. So get off this leftist shit. The true right is horrified by what Bush is doing.
What church do you go to that preaches war?

Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 04:31 PM

67 Greg: You like Buchanan? Hmmm.

What are your thoughts on that crusty old curmudgeon Goldwater?

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 22, 2005 05:03 PM

68 Greg, if we don't do what we are doing, we gotta nuke 'em. Right or left, republican or dem. Carlos is a Bush prole, he wrote me and told me so himself. I swear.

Posted by: Mr. K at April 22, 2005 05:03 PM

69 hmmm... I hate to post in the middle or your discussion ... however I could not resist the temptation. I just want to say it sounds to me like some of the people posting here could use a little visit to Iraq in person. Go stay with our troops a little while and truely learn what it is like to be in that moment where you have to make a decision about your safety and that of your fellow soldiers. I would like to say that the marine made the right decision... regaurdless of what some think... if your were in his boots you would have done the same. What the insurgents do is in no way comparable to our soldiers. I know because my husband and his medics go out the gates everyday and care for the wounded... american AND Iraqi... old, young, friendly and enemy. Even for a soldier who has been there before ... the situation has changed... maybe he can tell you what it is like to go out searching for IEDs... maybe he can tell you what they do to our armored vehicles... maybe he can tell you what it is like to collect your soldiers in a bag because the pieces are scattered... maybe if he makes it back that is. I don't feel sorry for the insurgents I do pity the truely innocent Iraqi people who suffer through the crap but I know that when it is said and done we will have made a difference. I can't wear the bracelets of all the soldiers we have lost on this post... but I do wear the first one... Oh and as far as civilians go... the american civilians... they CHOOSE to be there no one MADE them go. Death was a risk that they took by choice our soldiers on the other hand cannot say oh sorry sir I think I am gonna sit this one out. Yes the insurgents do horrible things and I almost laugh to hear people say something about it ... like they are surprised ... then I think to myself it isn't funny... I am glad those of you bashing that marines actions are not in the military cause your actions would cause us to lose more soldiers than we have... wait don't shoot that Iraqi is wounded... oh and now you are dead cause you had pity... Please don't say anything... just go there and put yourself in their shoes... and the guys who shot that pilot they will get thier dues I promise you... they are in my hubby's sector and they will be caught...

Posted by: soldiers_heart82 at April 22, 2005 06:35 PM

70 God bless you and your husband, I hope and pray he gets them.

Posted by: Mr. K at April 22, 2005 06:52 PM

71 I think the biggest fact that a lot of you are forgetting is that the mosque in question had already been cleared by another group only days before the incident. The Mosque had been raided, the survivors were checked and were moved into the room. Some where wounded, others dead but all were cleared of any weapons or potential threats. Later, the group with the embedded Sites came through, the marine saw that one of the wounded left behind was alive and shot the poor bastard. If he had known that the Mosque was cleared maybe he would have not reacted so abrubtly. If his superiors were doing their jobs (same goes for those fuktards in A.G.), he would have known that the situation at hand was not as dangerous and perhaps he could have avoided shooting the wounded iraqi who was probably too weak to say "im not feigning death sir, I am just too hurt to say anything". So although I can understand why a marine would react the way that dumbass did, I still think what he did was wrong. You can call me a traitor all you want but I think a mistake was made. If anything, his superior should be blamed as well.

Carlos, if you saw a video with a Christian man blowing away some innocent in the name of God, what would you think? Would you think that all Christians are evil or murderes? No you wouldn't. You would think that he is a murdering sociopath. Thats what the terrorists are. Get that through your heads people. Islam is not the enemy. Your ignorance is. Your ignorance makes the terrorists smile at night because they are accomplishing their jobs. Fuck man its like dealing with little kids around here sometimes. Grow the fuck up.

Posted by: Jim at April 22, 2005 10:18 PM

72 excuse my numerous typos in the previous post but I get frustrated reading some of these posts. Its ridiculous.

Posted by: Jim at April 22, 2005 10:19 PM

73 In response to Jim's last comment: If a Catholic or Baptist were to kill people in the name of Christianity, the Vatican or Baptist Convention would immediately condemn such acts. Islam makes no such pretense in the face of what you call sociopathic murdering. Did Mecca object to the 9/11 attacks? Not a word of protest. A string of profanities for emphasis does nothing to prove your apparent point that Islam is a peacable religion. While there are peacable Muslims and people exercising violence in the name of Christianity, Islam not only sanctions violence but promises eternal life for those who direct it at 'infidels.'

Posted by: Jim at April 22, 2005 11:21 PM

74 Incorrect Jim. Islam does not have a central figure that guides the faith like Catholicism. Mecca is not the Vatican. The various Ayatollas are probably the closest thing you can get to a Bishop and they are split between the sunni and shiite sects and are biased towards the region that they have influence over. Thus, their opinion on 9/11 was either indifferent or apologetic (in Iran's case for instance) as was most of the reaction throughout the middle east.

HOWEVER, if you went to your local mosque or to any mosque throughout the country and even the world, you would have heard endless protest and defense over the true meaning of Islam; not the twisted version that the terrorists have used to start a fake holy war. You would have heard the denouncement of the terrorists and their murderous actions.

Islam does not have a spokesperson. Unfortunately many of you think it does. You think the terrorists are those spokepersons. And that is the saddest part of it all.

As for my string of profanities, I emphasize again how frustrated I get when I hear people blame Islam for the actions of the terrorists. You think there are peacable Muslims? Amazing. You are probably one out of 5 or 6 people on this blog who believe that. Yet you still think that the religion encourages violence. This is a misunderstanding. You can bring up all the jihad and 72 virgins nonsense all you want but it doesn't change the fact that Islam can be intreperted in many ways.

I leave with this thought. Recently a Shiite Ayatolla issued a fatwa against the insurgents who are hurting the efforts of the people of Iraq to rebuild their country. This is a grounbreaking developement. The first PRO-US fatwa. Why is it that none of you people know about this? Because Islam does not have a central figure. Even a high standing figure as an Ayatolla does not have influence over the entire faith. For instance, you can be sure that the sunni muslims in the middle east don't listen to a single thing he says. So if there are muslims who won't listen to an Ayatolla making a PRO-US fatwa, you can also be sure that there are muslims who don't listen to terrorists making ANTI-US fatwas.

So for those of you who STILL think that it is a religion of evil. I feel sorry for you because you must live a scared life. Everyday watching over your back for 1 out of the 1.3 billion muslims out to kill you.

Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2005 12:01 AM

75 Weird... I take it there are 2 different plp named Jim here... I had to look that one over a couple times. I'm glad you guys feel so strongly about these issues... I must say it would be a scary arguement to have in person. I am not sure how many people out there view this as a religious issue (did I even spell that right, lol) Anyway in my personal opinion religion acctually has nothing to do with it. Do the evil do-ers think that it does? maybe, at least that's how it comes off or that topic would not be included here at all. That's why I say insurgents...and I am sorry if I seem to be completely trying to justify the actions of one marine... I am not at all... just keep in mind a few things... first that the ROE changes constantly and again you would have to be there in it to truely understand... doing their job does things to your head you couldn't understand...well unless you are a mental health expert of course... I wasn't saying what he did was the right or wrong thing. When you are in that situation you don't always know the right course of action and if you do sometimes your mind is beyond your control... hind sight is 20/20. Jim I don't dissagree with you but I work with these guys (the soldiers) and trust me the job isn't always clear cut and easy sailing... Try and imagine taking in a group of detainees and knowing in your heart that at least one of them killed your best friend 4 days ago... how would you feel? Trust me I would rather see people argueing about how we pulled out or troops and left them to do their own rebuild cause I would know all my boys are home... sigh... I was curious, what are you guys doing to make a difference? Is responding to the post that you dissagree with your part in the thick of things? At first I tried fighting the third deployment. I wrote congress and told them how we were on assignment to a nice job that would keep my hubby from going a third time but no one responded. I begged the commander to pick up the phone and ok the awaiting orders to move us from this rotation but I didn't know he was already one foot out the door to his new job and no longer had time for the little guy... yep it's politics...plain and simple. My contribution to the cause it teaching soldiers combat life saver skills. Every soldier that deploys from tis post must take the course... it's like an advanced first aid... slightly EMT geared with some advanced EMT skills... It is helping save lives and I know I am making a difference it feels good to know that... Even if it is a small difference. One recent incident with the unit... the medic was injured and knocked out... those combat life savers did a great job. Just to hit a possitive note... How are you making a difference? Sorry I couldn't make it short...I talk too much

Posted by: soldiers_heart82 at April 23, 2005 12:45 AM

76 soldiers heart

we girls all talk too much but thats usually cos we have something important to say, you go girl!









Posted by: sparky at April 23, 2005 01:05 AM

77 The ones who shot that man must be punished.

Posted by: Collin Baber at April 23, 2005 04:38 AM

78 soldiers heart-

No I am not making a difference. I have the utmost respect for you and your family members who are. Please excuse me when I say I wish your family didn't have to be there but since they are I wish them the best. As far as the Marine in question goes, I understand WHY he did what he did but I think it could have been prevented had his superior officer informed him of the previously cleared Mosque. I certainly don't know how it feels to have to make that decision but in this case, I feel he made a mistake. Perhaps in another similar situation a Marine does not make a mistake and ends up saving 4 of his friends. That doesn't change the fact that mistakes are made and they cost lives (civilian, troops and enemy). Perhaps it would be great if we could all pretend it didn't happen but it did. My problem is with those people who not only turn a blind eye to the mistakes made by commanding officers but they try to justify the mistakes by comparing them to the actions of the terrorists (see Abu Ghraib).

These same people also like to make this war a religious issue. When they do, they are making the terrorist's day. The terrorists make these horrible videos in order to convince the world that they are fighting a holy war BUT THEY ARE NOT. It is all a political act. And with every person here who comments on how Islam is filth and this and that, then they win. That is what they want.

So with that said, perhaps I feel that I can make a difference by addressing this ignorance and foiling the terrorist's plans. Perhaps I can somehow make people open their eyes and minds and see past the propoganda and the "allahu akbars" and see the murderers for what they truly are: murderers. Nothing more, nothing less. Then perhaps I can make some kind of difference no matter how insignificant it is.

Unfortunately, with every snuff film that is made and distributed on this blog, my hopes are shattered. You see, when people see these things, they can't help but let rage take over them. The same happens to me when I watch them. If you don't get angry by watching these tapes then there is something definately wrong with you. But when people point there anger towards Islam then they are no better than the terrorists. Rusty says that he displays these things in order to "show the true face of the enemy". Unfortunately, the only thing the people who read this blog see is their supposed "faith". Mission accomplished for the terrorists.

So that is pretty much it. The only other thing I can do is hope that this madness ends soon and our troops come back home safetly.

Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2005 04:53 AM

79 Those who shot that man must be punished.

Posted by: Collin Baber at April 23, 2005 04:56 AM

80 Either I need to get to sleep or Collin is repeating himself. hehe

Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2005 05:03 AM

81 The Bushian Warfare Cult has opened the gates of hell and 300 Billion USD later, we're still paying for his drunken hubris.

Posted by: Collin Baber at April 23, 2005 05:21 AM

82 Robin the nitwit sez:

"False Prophet is well named, since his rant is all false.
Posted by Robin Roberts at April 22, 2005 01:28 PM "

Bullhockey. I can document every single claim I that I made in my comment with multiple sources per claim--many of them using US government-sponsored investigations. I've done it dozens of times on dozens of blogs.

It's no longer worth my time to do so because delusional fools such as yourself are too far gone to recognize the facts if they came up and bit you in the ass. You swallowed the lies from Bush, Cheney, Rice and the rest of the evil Rethuglicans for years and will go to your grave believing them.

You've bought the Bushwellian Newspeak hook, line and sinker. The trouble is that in your case and the case of the rest of you morons here insisting that we lower ourselves to the level of the people and ignorance is certainly not strength but a debilitating character defect. Why? Because non-thinking scared sheep such as yourself have stood by and been cowed into lettting our government invade a country that was not a threat to us. You've stood by while the thugs in the White House and DOD have condoned torture, shat all over the Geneva convention and the Constitution and basically made a laughing stock of our once great country.

Posted by: False Prophet at April 23, 2005 06:02 AM

83 Dear False Prophet,

You are a friend of this patriot! Come to depthomelandinsecurity.blogspot.com.

Posted by: Collin Baber at April 23, 2005 06:15 AM

84 "You like Buchanan? Hmmm.
What are your thoughts on that crusty old curmudgeon Goldwater?"-YBP

Yes, I like Buchanan. Goldwater? Isn't he dead? He was before my time. As I recall he wanted to nuke Vietnam, but I was just a kid then so I could be mistaken. Wasn't that the impetus for the famous "Daisy" mushroom cloud political commercial?

Posted by: greg at April 23, 2005 08:57 AM

85 Believe so.

Yes, the old boy from Arizona is gone now. Be he certainly spoke his mind and seemed to relish the reaction his controversial views garnered.

I'm also positive that were he alive, Collin would want him brought to trial.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 23, 2005 09:09 AM

86 "Yes and we justify our actions by saying we are liberators as if we give a shit about the Iraqi people."

Greg, I don't know about you, but I, for one, have had the utmost faith and confidence in the Iraqi people and feel it just as important for them to benefit from a democracy as it is for me. Not for one second have I felt they were less important than me or anyone else as a people.

I don't know who you're speaking for, but I "give a shit" about the Iraqi people.

Posted by: Oyster at April 23, 2005 09:26 AM

87 "Yes and we justify our actions by saying we are liberators as if we give a shit about the Iraqi people."

greg,

I don't give a rat's ass what people's intentions are, or their justifications are, or their motives. I only care about their actions and the results.

A free Iraq is a good thing, regardless of motives.

But that murdered helo pilot is not a good thing, regardless of jihadi motives.

You try to excuse the murder of a pilot. I try to excuse the freeing of a people. Can you see the difference?

Posted by: Carlos at April 23, 2005 09:40 AM

88 No, False Prophet, your claims are lies. Your misrepresentations of the WMD issue are typical. It matters not whether or not the stockpiles of WMD were destroyed in the '90's, it was Iraq's job to prove it. Iraq continued to conceal evidence of its program until the invasion itself. All violations of the armistice agreements and UN resolutions. And there were Al Queda affiliates in Iraq before the invasion despite your lie to the contrary.

And your reference to Iraq having "nothing" to do with 9/11 is another indication of your dishonesty. The administration didn't claim that Iraq had been directly involved. However, others have shown some interesting relationships between 9/11 plotters and Iraq.

In fact, repeating such lies at this stage demonstrates that you have allied yourself with the terrorists.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 23, 2005 11:54 AM

89 WOW... liberal this, republican that, democtatic blah blah blah... all that went over my head same as islamic this and christian that. Why must one be labeled as rep...dem...or lib. I have never understood why we choose to label and divide our nation. Does a Rep ingore the words or a Dem just becuase he/she is? I am none of the above... I follow my heart and stay my own path... by the way it looks like we caught those pilot shooting thugs. and yes I do think some higher ups need to answer more often for the actions of their soldiers becuase many times poor management causes these incidents. I can't count how many times we have encountered BS from the higher chain but all you can do is say yes sir and shrug it off and follow orders. You can try to stand your ground but in the end it's the guy with rank that wins... oh and the fact that soldiers are lead by officers (notice oficers are not reffered to as soldiers) who gradutaed college and are sometimes MANY years younger than the troops they are left to command... and yes a soldier with 12 years experience is always older and has 3 times more experience than the officers making the calls... think about that one a lil while ... Enjoy your talks... I know I have enjoyed reading them ... from both sides... I'll let you know if I hear anything else about the M18 ordeal... been hard to catch the hubby online since he was out running missions

Posted by: soldiers_heart82 at April 23, 2005 11:59 AM

90 soldiers heart82: Nomenclature has been around since Adam named the animals. It's how humans are able to discuss things, with labels. A lot of terms and labels do tend to get thrown around in discussions, and if we're serious about this, we should be careful that they are accurate.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 23, 2005 03:02 PM

91 I compeltely agree soldiers heart. Moonbats, Wingnuts and other childish terms only further divide us as a country. We focus more on disagreeing with each other for the sake of arguement instead of listening to the issues. It is pretty damn sad.

Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2005 03:26 PM

92 Forgive my typing...hit my finger with a hammer putting up the tent this morning.

Greg, Paul & Tami are Hitler.

That is all. FIlthy has Spoken.

Posted by: filthy allah at April 23, 2005 04:20 PM

93 Prophet I here ye, the Rethugs totally efed the UN. Back when Bush&co was warmongering; Old Soddom chickened out, swallowed his pride and let inspectors in, it worked. But no, that wasn't enough for the rethugs, they had already tasted yellow cake, so they wanted war and they got it.

Every sane nation in the world is turning a blind eye to the crazy shit going on in Iraq today and they want no part of it. There is no rationale for the war without wmd. Let's not kid yourselves, the rethugs are fully aware of this and they continue to destort the facts and come up with unbelievable reasons.

As for the Rumanians, I hope they'll find them alive and give those fundies hell.

Posted by: IM at April 23, 2005 06:05 PM

94 Ye Yankees instead of leaving Iraq to its plight gothemselves into neck deep shit.
Pakistan gets f-16s: Happy news for scrap dealers world wide thet have lots of these planes in their yards.
As per Bush i hope he gets piles and hernia.
And for the Sons and daughters of America Dying in Iraq you are all being misled.
Searching a rabbit hole Iraq for a virus called HATE is useless all you get is bullets and Retarded Jihadis.
Kashmir may be the place you should look for millitants./
Mushiraff is goin to get his ass blown by his lovable cute jihadi freedom fihter bro's.
The war has come to U.S.
Act now and find a viable solution.
Rumsfeld gave the weapons that kill americans to Sadddam in his youth.
I hope Americans learn from their past mistakes and stop funding more would be Jihadis.
AS YOU SOW,SOW SHALL YOU REAP.
May GOD do something about the innoscent ppl dying for nothing.

Posted by: Monzter at April 23, 2005 11:53 PM

95 And I am thankfull that i aint Muslim.
how in the hell can these bastards get weapons bombz evrything else.Each ak-47 costs a lot and given the ammo too...?
Cant the U.S find a way to cut the funding line .?
You went to moon but cant get a grip on ur ass itch.
As for someone saying the great America,, America WAS Great, but now its got itself notso great leaders voted by people who dont care a damn where their money goes.
Democracy is the only solution to Iraq but
got to clear the jihadi shit out of Iraqi youth's mind first.
Human will to live or to die is stronger then
every thing.
Stirring a Hornets nest gives a painfull memory.

Posted by: Monzter at April 24, 2005 12:12 AM

96 When the United States invaded Iraq, overthrew its' government and disbande the security forces, chaos erupted. During the chaos, Four Billion USD was looted from the Central Bank. In addition, all the Battle-tested Generals were free agents to work for whoever paid them. Awash with weapons, experience, funding and some of the best explosives from Al Qaqaa, the insurgency was born. Motive, Capability and Opportunity.

Posted by: Collin Baber at April 24, 2005 01:48 AM

97 Unfortunately, we can expect even more of that type of atrocious behavior, as we have proven ourselves too full of greed and pride to break the interlock.

Posted by: Collin Baber at April 24, 2005 02:26 AM

98 I know about Amerika, being raised as a minority of the peckerwoods. We know of your death-democracy\ extermination, I mean I aint blind,
just try to love, but then you just beat me, like a dog -just try to be kind but you just kick me, stomp on me\- bleed me--fill me with lead, like a beaten dog- you just beat me and look what you've made--I hope the Iraqis have pity on all you redneck boys because you never had pity on me, but maybe I give you some of my blood and spit on your grave-Karma jusst caught up to you jocks\
You aint bad just a bunch of tricks fighting for peace in Iraq like a bunch of fools and Johns pimping for your pennies faking on like a bunch of cowards.

Posted by: Don Thrasher at April 24, 2005 09:30 AM

99 "Karma jusst caught up to you jocks."

a glimpse into the wounded psyche of an America hater. It's revenge for all the years they got bullied by jocks and beautiful people.

Liberalism is a mental illness.

Posted by: Carlos at April 24, 2005 10:04 AM

100 WOW DON! I am amazed. YOu are almost as big a tool as COllin & Greg! Did you type that doing your best Hanibal Lechter impression? You must have rewarded yourself after such a triumph of mental skills. What did you have, a young boy?

Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 25, 2005 05:38 AM

101 R.I.P. Jason Gore SJNMA class of 2000-
You made my Junior year very interesting, and now you have eternity to keep heaven interesting. You will be missed. -Whooah

Posted by: Derrick Posteraro at April 25, 2005 11:30 AM

102 Go to this website for details of execution

Posted by: Click for website at April 25, 2005 11:50 AM

103 So ahhhh, The Jeeeews are responsible for the deaths of american soldiers?


Let me measure your mellon for a tin foil hat.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 25, 2005 04:01 PM

104 Re: Your comments: "I show these images because they reveal the true face of the 'insurgency we are fighting'. COLD. BLOODED. MURDERERS. AND. COWARDS."
Big of you. Never mind the actions of the Americans in Fallujah and other places where thousands of civilians died as the result of saturation bombing by those brave US pilots, dropping their deadly loads from a safe altitude, secure in the knowledge that they're too high to be "touched". The true cowards in this conflict are all the weasels of the coalition. I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word coward, and mistake the actions of the illegal occupiers as worthy of praise and admiration.

Posted by: Leendert Noordzij at April 26, 2005 11:35 AM

105 It's amazing to see the overuse of words like "terrorists" and "insurgents", when discussing the actions of individuals who are merely looking to kick illegal invaders and occupiers out. Ditto on the use of "contractors" for mercenaries with extensive military backgrounds, who make quadruple, if not more, what the average GI makes, doing pretty much the same stuff. And the outrage when these illegal invaders, not non-combatants (that's a cute line too) are dealt with. Anyone who dies in Iraq, who is not doing humanitarian work (like ms. Ruzicka) and is there as a member of the coalition troops, has it coming. Why are you morons so damn wimpy about this? If you unleash shock and awe on a civilian population for no good reason at all, don't cry foul when you are rewarded with more of the same of your own medicine! If this kind of crap had been unleashed on your city, town, village, and your neighbors, and family members were shot, harassed daily, killed at road blocks, you'd be pissing mad too! So stop whining!

Posted by: Leendert Noordzij at April 26, 2005 02:29 PM

106 As someone who knew one of the men shot down and most likely pictured above b/c his was one of the only bodies recovered, I hope you find enough decency to respect the friends and families who are grieving right now. We are very, very proud of him and all the troops. He was a former Army Ranger, the best of the best. He served to protect this country. Whether Iraq had anything to do w/ 9/11 or not, we are a better world b/c we are there and b/c Saddam is not in power. My friend wrote many letters about how our media does such an injustice and stretches so much truth into lies that they can not be trusted. So before some of you go believing in the Dan Rathers of the world, understnad that thousands of people are experiencing freedoms never known before. My friend was a part of that and I hope you can understand that. His memorial was today. Like I said he was a former Ranger who when he came home felt that he was needed over there. To help the Iraqi people taste the freedom we eat and drink every moment of our lives. God be with the Iraqis, the soldiers from around the globe and with the leaders of the world who truly wants the best...including PRESIDENT BUSH. He is the right man for this job doing what is right in our world. God be with him.

Posted by: Mike at May 07, 2005 11:07 PM

107 Just a bit of poetic justice for these insurgents....

http://deanmichael.blogspot.com/2005/05/priceless.html

Posted by: Dorman at May 13, 2005 05:00 AM

108 its the human condition, we are doomed to kill each other, so enjoy the ride, by the way most of my people have had training, how about yours?

Posted by: nice guy at August 04, 2005 02:45 AM

109 If anyone scrolls down this far, especially some rightwing terrorist. I want them to know there's a shitload of new Marines and other members of the Armed Forces with a shitload of integrity and honor that will eventually annihilate all the cold-hearted bastards(the terrorists, islam/muslim militia groups, etc, etc...)

GO MARINES! OWWW RAHHH! SEMPER FI SEMPER FI SEMPER FI!!!

Posted by: Anonymous at August 06, 2005 07:38 AM

110 Hello all,

Someone who posts on a political section of a New Orleans Saints (don't ask) discussion board linked to this page.
After reading the comments on this page,I'm willing to bet it's your terrorist apologist, greg.
Here's the link.

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168992

His handle is blackadder and his posts are straight from the moonbat handbook.

Posted by: Faustin at August 08, 2005 08:25 PM

111 First off, let me say that I am an American serving in the Armed Forces of my great country. And I have no problem being the person that so many, even many from my own country that I have pledged to die to protect should that be deemed necessary, love to hate. That's fine, if you do just know that your right to hate me, comes from mine and others like me willingness to do the things that you people aren't willing to do in order for you to keep those freedoms. That said, some of you people deserve to be presented to these fucking cowards that call themselves freedom fighters as a gift from this country, so that we can see your face on camera as you feel the dull knife they use to kill sheep enter your neck, and see that you now realize how wrong you were. Would you really let a guy be, wounded or not, if some of your friends had been killed by wounded guys pulling the pins on grenades after US soldiers had walked by and left them alone because they were wounded? I think not, and whether you admit or not, you would have done the same thing, I know I sure would have and will if I'm ever in that situation. That Marine did nothing wrong at all, the only thing he did was to protect himself and his buddies and not take the risk of that guy killing anyone. Those Marines and all of the servicemen over there are doing things that most people don't have the balls to even think about. I can make it a lot simpler, put an american soldier in that guy's shoes. What would have happened to him if some of these so called freedom fighters had found him wounded. I don't think Islam is to be blamed, a religion by itself is just a belief, it's how the people reading that belief interpret it that screws everything up. As much as these people claim that this a holy war started by us, tell that to the kurds that were slaughtered by nerve gas at the hands of Saddam Hussein. I would love to have a face to face conversation with the moron that posted "Iraq was better off before we got there". I could go on and on about some of the absolutely idiotic and sickening statements that I've read in this post, but I will make it simple for those who still don't get it, pull your heads out of your asses and wake up. These extremists want to destroy us and our way of life, not just get us out of their country, but erase ours. This will never end as long as there is one of them left alive. And it's not just America, but all western countries that they are targeting. Alot of these cowardly bastards are going to come to a grizzly end at the hands of another american soldier, and the will be better off without them. And one day all you people that support them and denounce what the US government and military is doing will pay your dues too. I just hope it's me that's looking into your eyes when that time comes.

Posted by: Patriot at August 09, 2005 02:23 PM

112 I'll cut throught the BS and make it real simple.
1. We had no right to invade Iraq: Links to terrorism and WMDs are irrelevant. The day this country was attacked, it went on the offensive. Any threat, real or implied, will be dealt with accordingly for the sake of those poor people who jumped from the WTC to escape the flames. Did any of you really believe a bunch of rag-tag, camel-humping, hajis in Afghanistan were such a threat to the U.S. before 9/11? Doubt it.
2. The Iraqi insurgent in the mosque should not have been killed: Does "Insurgent in Mosque" not strike some of you idiots as suspicious? The are terrorists/cowards! They hide in mosques, shoot from behind women and children, kill ANYONE in the name of Allah, and play possum so as to shoot our soldiers in the back or detonate grenades. Its been documented in the past, and the marine in question was cleared of all charges. That guy deserved to be killed, I'm glad he was killed, and I hope that sort of thing happens every day. Anyone who thinks I am a savage, just watch a couple of those gruesome beheading videos (of innocent non-combatants nonetheless) and then tell me who the true savages are. I would much prefer a bullet over having my neck sliced through to the spine and then feeling the sensation of the blood running out of my body and trying to breath through a severed windpipe.
3. Reconcilliation is the key to dealing with the insurgency: That is almost laughable. The only course of action is complete annihilation of these people. These people kill anyone they can find that isn't like them thinking that they are scoring points with Allah. There is no reasoning with these people. You can preach all the leftist, pro-Ghandi, anti-violence bullshit you want. If these insurgents captured you, they would label you as CIA and behead you on video and then go on with the rest of their day. We do not live in a Utopian world. This is a dog eat dog grudge match to the death. Wake up and smell the roses. Kill or be killed. Its that simple. All conspiracy theories, political views, opinions, theories, and bullshit aside. Kill or be killed. Until there is no enemy...

Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at October 04, 2005 06:08 PM






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