Islamic Army in Iraq Video Shows Downed Helicopter, Survivor Murdered Over Kevin Sites Video (images--UPDATED III)
UPDATE 1/25/2006: A new video posted by a terrorist group in Iraq shows a downed Blackwater chopper in Baghdad. Click link or go to MAIN PAGE for more recent news and terror videos from Iraq.
Thursday's chartered flight was believed to be the first civilian aircraft shot down in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion two years ago. The dead included six American bodyguards for U.S. diplomats, three Bulgarian crew and two security guards from Fiji, officials said. The helicopter went down about 12 miles north of Baghdad. Associated Press Television News footage showed burning wreckage from the craft and personal belongings scattered across a wide area. U.S. officials could not confirm the cause of the crash. However, the Bulgarian Defense Ministry said the helicopter was struck by missile fire. Bulgarian Defense Minister Nikolai Svinarov said today the crash was a "terrorist attack," but it will not affect Bulgaria's military involvement in Iraq. "Bulgaria should not waver under terrorist pressure," said Svinarov, whose country has a 460-member contingent in Iraq. A group calling itself the Islamic Army in Iraq posted a video on the Internet Thursday purporting to show the shooting of a survivor. The authenticity of the footage, posted on a Web forum often used by militant groups, could not be confirmed. A U.S. Embassy official in Baghdad said he had no knowledge that anyone on board survived the crash and was killed later. "Heroes of the Islamic Army downed a transport aircraft belonging to the army of the infidels and killed its crew and those on board in the regions of al-Taji north of Baghdad," the group said in a written statement accompanying the video. "One of the crew members was captured and killed." In the footage, which shows burning wreckage and two charred bodies, militants come across an injured man wearing a blue flightsuit lying in tall grass. His nationality was not immediately known. "It's broken," he says in accented English, apparently referring to his leg, as militants — unseen except in brief glances — tell him to stand up. "Weapons? Weapons?" the gunmen ask him in Arabic and English as he stands uneasily. The gunmen tell him, "Go!", and the survivor starts to hobble away, holding his hands up toward them. The gunmen then open fire, shouting "Allahu akbar!" or "God is great!" with the bullets hitting his body. They fire more shots into his body on the ground. The six Americans were employed by Blackwater Security Consulting, a subsidiary of North Carolina-based security contractor Blackwater USA, which had four employees slain and mutilated by insurgents in Fallujah a year ago — deaths that touched off a Marine assault on insurgents in the city. The Islamic Army statement said it killed the survivor "in revenge for the Muslims who have been killed in cold blood in the mosques of tireless Fallujah before the eyes of the world and on television screens, without anyone condemning them." It was apparently referring to the Nov. 13 shooting by an American soldier of a wounded Iraqi in a Fallujah mosque during a U.S. offensive in the city.Developing......... UPDATE 11:40:One victim identified as Jason Obert, of El Paso. News 4 Colorado:
A former El Paso County sheriff's deputy was among the six American contractors killed Thursday when insurgent missile fire downed a commercial helicopter outside of Baghdad, Iraq, a Colorado Springs television station reported. Jason Obert left the sheriff's office in February to earn extra money working in Iraq for Blackwater Security Consulting, KKTV-TV reported. The company is a subsidiary of North Carolina-based Blackwater USA. Obert is survived by a wife and two boys, the station reported.Update II 1:55: Another victim identified. Stephen Matthew McGovern, of Danville KY. Danville Advocate Messenger:
Stephen Matthew McGovern, of Danville, has died in Iraq, his family confirmed today. McGovern was involved in a helicopter crash, according to his stepfather, who said the family was notified Thursday night.... McGovern had been a sergeant in the National Guard with the 20th Special Forces Group in Louisville. He got out of the Guard in February, according to a spokesman there....UPDATE III 2:35: Long-time collaborator of The Jawa Report and sometimes contributor Interested Participant hunts down a few more names. Jim Atalifo and Timoci Lalaqila were the two Fijians killed, as reported in The Australian The three Bulgarians are named as pilots Lyubomir Kostov and Georgi Naidenov and board-engineer Stoyan Anchev by the Bulgarian News Network. Others covering the story: I would urge these sites NOT to link to Ogrish, which is a snuff site. An alternate video can be found at this anti-terrorism site. Ranting Profs, Michelle Malkin, Blogs of War, Hyscience, Speed of Thought, In the Bullpen, Blogger Beer, Bittersweet Me, The Tomo Report, Kill Righty, The Blue Site, Dangerous Dan, Caos Blog, Dread Pundit Bluto, Outside the Beltway, Rambling's Journal, WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES BELOW!! I show these images because they reveal the true face of the 'insurgency we are fighting'. COLD. BLOODED. MURDERERS. AND. COWARDS.
These images are EXTREMELY GRAPHIC and ARE OFFENSIVE.
Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 09:06 AM
WOULD YOU CONSIDER HAVING AN "OFF TOPIC" STRING? PEOPLE COULD USE IT TO POST THEIR IDEAS ON ANY SUBJECT. YOU COULD REFRESH THE STRING BY ERASING POSTINGS EVERY SEVERAL DAYS.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 09:16 AM
Days like this I wish we'd stoop to their level and starting sawing the heads off these assholes and videotape that.
Posted by: disgruntledinca at April 22, 2005 09:16 AM
Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 09:18 AM
Posted by: Bubbe at April 22, 2005 09:21 AM
Bush is hitler. CHimp Awol.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 22, 2005 09:24 AM
The Senate moved toward approving $81 billion for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan on Thursday in a measure that would push the total cost of combat and reconstruction past $300 billion.
A billion seconds ago, it was 1959.
A billion minutes ago, Jesus was alive.
A billion hours ago, our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate Washington spends it.
And it's YOUR money.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 09:26 AM
I don't really care if we saddle our grandkids with debt. If we don't, they will be dead. Or speaking arabic and wearing burkas.
So, spend all you want Bush. Just keep killing the filth that is the enemy.
Posted by: obsnooks at April 22, 2005 09:49 AM
Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 10:01 AM
No opportunity to attempt to turn the conversation away from his murderous heroes will be wasted. You see, it is more important to talk about the dollar cost to us than to express outrage that humans can be this evil. I wonder what cost you could put on the pain that this video will cause the families of those murdered.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 10:07 AM
Fanatics are there everywhere. However it does not give US any permission to attack any country and teach their people. US should mind their own business rather then attacking and killing people in the name of democracy. Iraq was much better before. The difference is, Nobody can see how US is killing 1000s and all can see how these fanatics are killing 1-5 people. Killing must stop from both sides.
Posted by: JK at April 22, 2005 10:12 AM
the cash has always been one of my concerns, I'll admit it. But we're in it now and we have to finish.
But cash has never been a concern for the Left. That's what Leftism is about-- the government spending it's cash.
So why the newfound concern? How bout we talk about the issue at hand instead of trying to distract with faux concerns about cash.
What are your thoughts of finding a non-combatant in the bushes, lifting him to his feet and then blowing him away in the name of Allah. Any comment?
Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 10:14 AM
No third world people are going to threaten our way of life. This is pure chickenlittle, the sky is falling, hysteria.
Wine, keep your 27 sperm. There might be one swimmer in the bunch Numbnutz.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:16 AM
1 year = about 31,536,000 seconds (1 day = 86,400)
Therefore, 1,000,000,000/31,536,000 = the number of years 1 billion seconds is (31.7 years).
Like I said, I could be wrong...
Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 10:16 AM
What the moonbats don't understand is, no matter what the US policy is, this evil filth we call the muslim will want to kill us infidels anyway because we don't believe in their pimp scumbag of a God.
Why don't you moonbats go hug a terrorist and try to understand their inner torment. I will be happy to pick up your head after you are done.
Posted by: filthy allah at April 22, 2005 10:18 AM
Obviously it's despicable. It reminds me of the American soldier who emptied his weapon into a wounded Iraqi.
Changing the subject...
are you in congressional district 16 by any chance? Do you know of Rep. Ron Paul from Texas? If so what is your opinion of him.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:21 AM
The average Iraqi would disagree with this sentiment. Now, those that played along with the murderous regime might have been better off, until they crossed the dictator that is.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 10:22 AM
Posted by: obsnooks at April 22, 2005 10:24 AM
Tell that to those that had their lives ended by those 'third world people'. Of course, this is where we here that it was really Bush that killed those people. No facts that can't be answered with conspiracy. As long as the USA is painted as the bad guy, everything is good with your little worldview.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 10:26 AM
Walker Lindh the nancy boy who uses a Maiden name, should have been executed. Greg & Collin are terrorist sympathizers and should be treated as such.
Posted by: filthy allah at April 22, 2005 10:32 AM
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:33 AM
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:34 AM
Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 10:35 AM
I didn't know there was such a club. But the man was in Afghanistan before the Americans arrived. What was he to do? Runaway and get shot in the back?
He should write a book about his adventures. I think it'd be a best seller.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:39 AM
the wounded Iraqi was wounded in a gunfight with our GIs. He was a combatant, and he was feigning death, and a potential threat. That's why feigning death goes against the Geneva Conventions-- to protect the injured party, and also a soldier who's turned his back to the injured party. When you place yourself outside the GC you can't appeal to them afterwards. I would have shot him too.
Here on the other hand, we had a non-combatant Bulgarian, and his shooting was used for propaganda purposes so they could release it to the internet. I see no comparison between his killing and that which occurred in that mosque-- mosque being used as headquarters by insurgents. Shame on them, muslims using mosques to shoot at GIs from.
Changing the subject...I think Ron Paul if just fine, why do you ask?
Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 10:45 AM
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 22, 2005 10:46 AM
Posted by: Mr. K at April 22, 2005 10:47 AM
If we really just wanted to kill them all, we could do so without even getting up from our chairs.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 10:52 AM
You don't know that he was "feigning death". There is no justification for either killing.
I like Ron Paul. He's an old school Republican/Libertarian who's against the war, spending all this money and the Federal Reserve. My kind of Republican. His district covers much of the hill country. I''m just outside of it now but I lived in his district for 8 years. I just thought it might include Boerne.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 10:56 AM
This is the best thing I''ve read on this site yet. I agree 100%. The American people need a clean economic slate followed by prudent fiscal policy.There was a US Congressman by the name of Traficante who urged a declaration of Bankruptsy. He's in jail now.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 11:01 AM
Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 22, 2005 11:06 AM
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 11:10 AM
You are supporters of the terrorists. You have proven it over and over through your posts. Just admit that you hate America. Get it off your puny hairless chests. You will feel better.
Then, please join up with the Jihadis so that our marines can kill you.
Posted by: filthy allah at April 22, 2005 11:37 AM
I assure you that I love our country. I think that getting out of debt and reaching out to our allies is the best course of action. We wiilll never defeat Islam but there can be reconcilliation. This will be one of Pope Benedict XVI's highest priorities.
I wish I had a hairless chest, I look like bigfoot when I take off my shirt.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 11:44 AM
UK is an Allie as is Poland, Austrailia, Japan, Bulgaria, Afganistan, South Korea, Urkraine.
Only you libs demand we Kow Tow to the criminal UN and the cowardly Frogs and germans.
Posted by: obsnooks at April 22, 2005 11:50 AM
yes I do, it's on the tape. The marine exclaims, and I quote "he's faking it, he's faking it!" Then he shoots him.
thanks for playing.
Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 11:51 AM
As per request, I have posted an open thread. Please take OT discussion there.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 22, 2005 11:55 AM
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 22, 2005 11:55 AM
Just because the marine says, "he's faking it", doesn't make it so. One could say that about many severely wounded people.
No comment about Rep. Ron Paul??
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 11:58 AM
This is war the terrorists know it, our soliders know it, but all too many out of the zone do not know it.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at April 22, 2005 12:02 PM
Posted by: ObSnooks at April 22, 2005 12:06 PM
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 12:59 PM
How does one know when one is feigning death or is just severely wounded?
If I knew that the enemy was in the habit of shooting the wounded I would feign death.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 01:03 PM
One minute you're rejoicing that an an American and aid worker (Zurika, or whatever her name was)was killed on the airport road in Baghdad in a bombing meant for a military convoy. You call her a traitor and say she got what she deserved because she "knew the dangers".
The next minute, you're shedding faux crocidile tears about the deaths of a bunch of hired merecenaries from Blackwater, Inc. and screaming murder, "terruhrists", etc. when those clowns went over to Iraq to make a $hitload of cash.
It's a wonder all of your heads don't explode from the cognitive dissonance. You ignore the fact that the rationale for invading Iraq was completely trumped up. You ignore the fact that Ronnie Raygun took Saddam and Iraq of terrorist list in 1983. You ignore the fact that the US sold him bacterial strains in the '80s and equipment to build up a WMD arsenal. you ignore the fact that it was all destroyed in the 90s. You ignore the fact that Iraq, according to the State Department, was the only country in the ME that didn't have Al Qaeda there until we invaded the place and put 150k+ American there as targets. You ignore the fact that Iraq had diddlysquat to do with 9/11. And then you act surprised that every single swinging Iraqi isn't grateful for having an occupying Army on their soil.
Even worse, you get manipulated like a flock of scared sheep by the Rethugs in Washington, the military-industrial, adn big oil interests who are making billions off your fear while they run our economy into the ground.
The rampant stupidity and unwarranted hubris of many Americans today would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. I would laugh about it but for the fact that I'm an American too and will have to live and suffer with the fact you stupid scared sheep in the Rethuglican Party are going to send the US down the shitter.
Posted by: False Prophet at April 22, 2005 01:05 PM
Posted by: REMF at April 22, 2005 01:23 PM
The Libertarian Party is where it's at.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 01:23 PM
Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 22, 2005 01:28 PM
Posted by: angryblackman at April 22, 2005 01:29 PM
You've GOT to meet Greyrooster. He's a racist Klansman (for real) and I don't think he would know what to do with a conservative black man.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 01:35 PM
Posted by: angryblackman at April 22, 2005 01:41 PM
Art 37. Prohibition of Perfidy
1. [...]The following acts are examples of perfidy:
(a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender;
(b) the feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;
(c) the feigning of civilian, non-combatant status; and
(d) the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.
The mosque feigner combatant deserved to be shot. The innocent, injured non-combatant on that chopper was simply murdered.
And you equate the two, essentially stabbing our GIs in the back at every opportunity. shame shame shame.
Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 01:45 PM
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 22, 2005 01:50 PM
Posted by: Sean the INFDL at April 22, 2005 02:04 PM
I have heard on the news that the innocent man that was murdered by greg's freedom fighters was a bulgarian and that he has been ID by the company that owned the MI-8 that was shot down. Seen it at several places. Just thought I would letcha know....
Posted by: Duncan Avatar at April 22, 2005 02:06 PM
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 22, 2005 02:09 PM
You don't know if he was incapacitated or not. He was essentially a prisoner of war at the time he was murdered. Neither man deserved to be murdered.
'Cause of hegemony and all!
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 02:10 PM
Posted by: angryblackman at April 22, 2005 02:12 PM
No, he had not surrendered.
He was feigning death.
Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 02:49 PM
Was he given an opportunity to surrender? Was he conscious?
"He was feigning death."-Carlos
You don't know that. They shot a prisoner of war at nearly point blank range. There were plenty of soldiers who could of covered as he was taken into custody.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 03:01 PM
Why don't you ask your priest/pastor/minister for some guidance. I'll bet he//she can cure you of some of your blood lust.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 03:06 PM
Posted by: Ob snooks at April 22, 2005 03:22 PM
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 22, 2005 03:23 PM
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 03:29 PM
No shit! I guess what goes around comes around.
The "survivor" who was shot was the Bulgarian pilot of the chopper.
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 03:57 PM
those 50 bodies rotting in the river. I wonder what your freedom fighters were revenging when they did that.
the bombs going off in shiite mosques. I wonder what your freedom fighters were revenging when they did that.
My point is this, they claim it's revenge only to provide themselves some moral cover, and to mobilize your Lefties in their defense. But the truth is, they'd be killing/bombing no matter what.
Posted by: Carlos at April 22, 2005 04:13 PM
Yes and we justify our actions by saying we are liberators as if we give a shit about the Iraqi people. The truth is we want revenge for 9-11.
There are no angels here. No angels in war. No morality. What do you expect when you open up the Pandora's Box of war?
And one last thing. I've told you I'm not a leftist at least 5 times. This is getting old. I couldn't stand Clinton and I can't stand Bush. I like guys like Pat Buchanon. Rep. Ron Paul, former Rep. Bob Barr - all Republicans. So get off this leftist shit. The true right is horrified by what Bush is doing.
What church do you go to that preaches war?
Posted by: greg at April 22, 2005 04:31 PM
What are your thoughts on that crusty old curmudgeon Goldwater?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 22, 2005 05:03 PM
Posted by: Mr. K at April 22, 2005 05:03 PM
Posted by: soldiers_heart82 at April 22, 2005 06:35 PM
Posted by: Mr. K at April 22, 2005 06:52 PM
Carlos, if you saw a video with a Christian man blowing away some innocent in the name of God, what would you think? Would you think that all Christians are evil or murderes? No you wouldn't. You would think that he is a murdering sociopath. Thats what the terrorists are. Get that through your heads people. Islam is not the enemy. Your ignorance is. Your ignorance makes the terrorists smile at night because they are accomplishing their jobs. Fuck man its like dealing with little kids around here sometimes. Grow the fuck up.
Posted by: Jim at April 22, 2005 10:18 PM
Posted by: Jim at April 22, 2005 10:19 PM
Posted by: Jim at April 22, 2005 11:21 PM
HOWEVER, if you went to your local mosque or to any mosque throughout the country and even the world, you would have heard endless protest and defense over the true meaning of Islam; not the twisted version that the terrorists have used to start a fake holy war. You would have heard the denouncement of the terrorists and their murderous actions.
Islam does not have a spokesperson. Unfortunately many of you think it does. You think the terrorists are those spokepersons. And that is the saddest part of it all.
As for my string of profanities, I emphasize again how frustrated I get when I hear people blame Islam for the actions of the terrorists. You think there are peacable Muslims? Amazing. You are probably one out of 5 or 6 people on this blog who believe that. Yet you still think that the religion encourages violence. This is a misunderstanding. You can bring up all the jihad and 72 virgins nonsense all you want but it doesn't change the fact that Islam can be intreperted in many ways.
I leave with this thought. Recently a Shiite Ayatolla issued a fatwa against the insurgents who are hurting the efforts of the people of Iraq to rebuild their country. This is a grounbreaking developement. The first PRO-US fatwa. Why is it that none of you people know about this? Because Islam does not have a central figure. Even a high standing figure as an Ayatolla does not have influence over the entire faith. For instance, you can be sure that the sunni muslims in the middle east don't listen to a single thing he says. So if there are muslims who won't listen to an Ayatolla making a PRO-US fatwa, you can also be sure that there are muslims who don't listen to terrorists making ANTI-US fatwas.
So for those of you who STILL think that it is a religion of evil. I feel sorry for you because you must live a scared life. Everyday watching over your back for 1 out of the 1.3 billion muslims out to kill you.
Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2005 12:01 AM
Posted by: soldiers_heart82 at April 23, 2005 12:45 AM
we girls all talk too much but thats usually cos we have something important to say, you go girl!
Posted by: sparky at April 23, 2005 01:05 AM
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 23, 2005 04:38 AM
No I am not making a difference. I have the utmost respect for you and your family members who are. Please excuse me when I say I wish your family didn't have to be there but since they are I wish them the best. As far as the Marine in question goes, I understand WHY he did what he did but I think it could have been prevented had his superior officer informed him of the previously cleared Mosque. I certainly don't know how it feels to have to make that decision but in this case, I feel he made a mistake. Perhaps in another similar situation a Marine does not make a mistake and ends up saving 4 of his friends. That doesn't change the fact that mistakes are made and they cost lives (civilian, troops and enemy). Perhaps it would be great if we could all pretend it didn't happen but it did. My problem is with those people who not only turn a blind eye to the mistakes made by commanding officers but they try to justify the mistakes by comparing them to the actions of the terrorists (see Abu Ghraib).
These same people also like to make this war a religious issue. When they do, they are making the terrorist's day. The terrorists make these horrible videos in order to convince the world that they are fighting a holy war BUT THEY ARE NOT. It is all a political act. And with every person here who comments on how Islam is filth and this and that, then they win. That is what they want.
So with that said, perhaps I feel that I can make a difference by addressing this ignorance and foiling the terrorist's plans. Perhaps I can somehow make people open their eyes and minds and see past the propoganda and the "allahu akbars" and see the murderers for what they truly are: murderers. Nothing more, nothing less. Then perhaps I can make some kind of difference no matter how insignificant it is.
Unfortunately, with every snuff film that is made and distributed on this blog, my hopes are shattered. You see, when people see these things, they can't help but let rage take over them. The same happens to me when I watch them. If you don't get angry by watching these tapes then there is something definately wrong with you. But when people point there anger towards Islam then they are no better than the terrorists. Rusty says that he displays these things in order to "show the true face of the enemy". Unfortunately, the only thing the people who read this blog see is their supposed "faith". Mission accomplished for the terrorists.
So that is pretty much it. The only other thing I can do is hope that this madness ends soon and our troops come back home safetly.
Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2005 04:53 AM
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 23, 2005 04:56 AM
Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2005 05:03 AM
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 23, 2005 05:21 AM
"False Prophet is well named, since his rant is all false.
Posted by Robin Roberts at April 22, 2005 01:28 PM "
Bullhockey. I can document every single claim I that I made in my comment with multiple sources per claim--many of them using US government-sponsored investigations. I've done it dozens of times on dozens of blogs.
It's no longer worth my time to do so because delusional fools such as yourself are too far gone to recognize the facts if they came up and bit you in the ass. You swallowed the lies from Bush, Cheney, Rice and the rest of the evil Rethuglicans for years and will go to your grave believing them.
You've bought the Bushwellian Newspeak hook, line and sinker. The trouble is that in your case and the case of the rest of you morons here insisting that we lower ourselves to the level of the people and ignorance is certainly not strength but a debilitating character defect. Why? Because non-thinking scared sheep such as yourself have stood by and been cowed into lettting our government invade a country that was not a threat to us. You've stood by while the thugs in the White House and DOD have condoned torture, shat all over the Geneva convention and the Constitution and basically made a laughing stock of our once great country.
Posted by: False Prophet at April 23, 2005 06:02 AM
You are a friend of this patriot! Come to depthomelandinsecurity.blogspot.com.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 23, 2005 06:15 AM
What are your thoughts on that crusty old curmudgeon Goldwater?"-YBP
Yes, I like Buchanan. Goldwater? Isn't he dead? He was before my time. As I recall he wanted to nuke Vietnam, but I was just a kid then so I could be mistaken. Wasn't that the impetus for the famous "Daisy" mushroom cloud political commercial?
Posted by: greg at April 23, 2005 08:57 AM
Yes, the old boy from Arizona is gone now. Be he certainly spoke his mind and seemed to relish the reaction his controversial views garnered.
I'm also positive that were he alive, Collin would want him brought to trial.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 23, 2005 09:09 AM
Greg, I don't know about you, but I, for one, have had the utmost faith and confidence in the Iraqi people and feel it just as important for them to benefit from a democracy as it is for me. Not for one second have I felt they were less important than me or anyone else as a people.
I don't know who you're speaking for, but I "give a shit" about the Iraqi people.
Posted by: Oyster at April 23, 2005 09:26 AM
I don't give a rat's ass what people's intentions are, or their justifications are, or their motives. I only care about their actions and the results.
A free Iraq is a good thing, regardless of motives.
But that murdered helo pilot is not a good thing, regardless of jihadi motives.
You try to excuse the murder of a pilot. I try to excuse the freeing of a people. Can you see the difference?
Posted by: Carlos at April 23, 2005 09:40 AM
And your reference to Iraq having "nothing" to do with 9/11 is another indication of your dishonesty. The administration didn't claim that Iraq had been directly involved. However, others have shown some interesting relationships between 9/11 plotters and Iraq.
In fact, repeating such lies at this stage demonstrates that you have allied yourself with the terrorists.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 23, 2005 11:54 AM
Posted by: soldiers_heart82 at April 23, 2005 11:59 AM
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 23, 2005 03:02 PM
Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2005 03:26 PM
Greg, Paul & Tami are Hitler.
That is all. FIlthy has Spoken.
Posted by: filthy allah at April 23, 2005 04:20 PM
Every sane nation in the world is turning a blind eye to the crazy shit going on in Iraq today and they want no part of it. There is no rationale for the war without wmd. Let's not kid yourselves, the rethugs are fully aware of this and they continue to destort the facts and come up with unbelievable reasons.
As for the Rumanians, I hope they'll find them alive and give those fundies hell.
Posted by: IM at April 23, 2005 06:05 PM
Pakistan gets f-16s: Happy news for scrap dealers world wide thet have lots of these planes in their yards.
As per Bush i hope he gets piles and hernia.
And for the Sons and daughters of America Dying in Iraq you are all being misled.
Searching a rabbit hole Iraq for a virus called HATE is useless all you get is bullets and Retarded Jihadis.
Kashmir may be the place you should look for millitants./
Mushiraff is goin to get his ass blown by his lovable cute jihadi freedom fihter bro's.
The war has come to U.S.
Act now and find a viable solution.
Rumsfeld gave the weapons that kill americans to Sadddam in his youth.
I hope Americans learn from their past mistakes and stop funding more would be Jihadis.
AS YOU SOW,SOW SHALL YOU REAP.
May GOD do something about the innoscent ppl dying for nothing.
Posted by: Monzter at April 23, 2005 11:53 PM
how in the hell can these bastards get weapons bombz evrything else.Each ak-47 costs a lot and given the ammo too...?
Cant the U.S find a way to cut the funding line .?
You went to moon but cant get a grip on ur ass itch.
As for someone saying the great America,, America WAS Great, but now its got itself notso great leaders voted by people who dont care a damn where their money goes.
Democracy is the only solution to Iraq but
got to clear the jihadi shit out of Iraqi youth's mind first.
Human will to live or to die is stronger then
Stirring a Hornets nest gives a painfull memory.
Posted by: Monzter at April 24, 2005 12:12 AM
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 24, 2005 01:48 AM
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 24, 2005 02:26 AM
just try to love, but then you just beat me, like a dog -just try to be kind but you just kick me, stomp on me\- bleed me--fill me with lead, like a beaten dog- you just beat me and look what you've made--I hope the Iraqis have pity on all you redneck boys because you never had pity on me, but maybe I give you some of my blood and spit on your grave-Karma jusst caught up to you jocks\
You aint bad just a bunch of tricks fighting for peace in Iraq like a bunch of fools and Johns pimping for your pennies faking on like a bunch of cowards.
Posted by: Don Thrasher at April 24, 2005 09:30 AM
a glimpse into the wounded psyche of an America hater. It's revenge for all the years they got bullied by jocks and beautiful people.
Liberalism is a mental illness.
Posted by: Carlos at April 24, 2005 10:04 AM
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 25, 2005 05:38 AM
You made my Junior year very interesting, and now you have eternity to keep heaven interesting. You will be missed. -Whooah
Posted by: Derrick Posteraro at April 25, 2005 11:30 AM
Posted by: Click for website at April 25, 2005 11:50 AM
Let me measure your mellon for a tin foil hat.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 25, 2005 04:01 PM
Big of you. Never mind the actions of the Americans in Fallujah and other places where thousands of civilians died as the result of saturation bombing by those brave US pilots, dropping their deadly loads from a safe altitude, secure in the knowledge that they're too high to be "touched". The true cowards in this conflict are all the weasels of the coalition. I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word coward, and mistake the actions of the illegal occupiers as worthy of praise and admiration.
Posted by: Leendert Noordzij at April 26, 2005 11:35 AM
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Posted by: nice guy at August 04, 2005 02:45 AM
GO MARINES! OWWW RAHHH! SEMPER FI SEMPER FI SEMPER FI!!!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 06, 2005 07:38 AM
Someone who posts on a political section of a New Orleans Saints (don't ask) discussion board linked to this page.
After reading the comments on this page,I'm willing to bet it's your terrorist apologist, greg.
Here's the link.
His handle is blackadder and his posts are straight from the moonbat handbook.
Posted by: Faustin at August 08, 2005 08:25 PM
Posted by: Patriot at August 09, 2005 02:23 PM
1. We had no right to invade Iraq: Links to terrorism and WMDs are irrelevant. The day this country was attacked, it went on the offensive. Any threat, real or implied, will be dealt with accordingly for the sake of those poor people who jumped from the WTC to escape the flames. Did any of you really believe a bunch of rag-tag, camel-humping, hajis in Afghanistan were such a threat to the U.S. before 9/11? Doubt it.
2. The Iraqi insurgent in the mosque should not have been killed: Does "Insurgent in Mosque" not strike some of you idiots as suspicious? The are terrorists/cowards! They hide in mosques, shoot from behind women and children, kill ANYONE in the name of Allah, and play possum so as to shoot our soldiers in the back or detonate grenades. Its been documented in the past, and the marine in question was cleared of all charges. That guy deserved to be killed, I'm glad he was killed, and I hope that sort of thing happens every day. Anyone who thinks I am a savage, just watch a couple of those gruesome beheading videos (of innocent non-combatants nonetheless) and then tell me who the true savages are. I would much prefer a bullet over having my neck sliced through to the spine and then feeling the sensation of the blood running out of my body and trying to breath through a severed windpipe.
3. Reconcilliation is the key to dealing with the insurgency: That is almost laughable. The only course of action is complete annihilation of these people. These people kill anyone they can find that isn't like them thinking that they are scoring points with Allah. There is no reasoning with these people. You can preach all the leftist, pro-Ghandi, anti-violence bullshit you want. If these insurgents captured you, they would label you as CIA and behead you on video and then go on with the rest of their day. We do not live in a Utopian world. This is a dog eat dog grudge match to the death. Wake up and smell the roses. Kill or be killed. Its that simple. All conspiracy theories, political views, opinions, theories, and bullshit aside. Kill or be killed. Until there is no enemy...
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at October 04, 2005 06:08 PM
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