Southeast Asia: The Next Battlefront for the GWOT
Where will the next wave of terrorists come from? Southeast Asia. Especially troubling are groups known to operate in Indonesia, the Philippines and Thailand. More here.And if that excellent article wasn't enough, check out this little tidbit that Digger turned up. Filipinos Among Foreign Terrorists Killed In Iraq.
Posted by: Collin Baber at March 29, 2005 04:14 PM
Bangkok is a major hub for Western tourists in South East Asia. Given Jemmah Islamiyah's influence in the region I'll be amazed if a significant attack doesn't occur in Bangkok in the near future. It's just too obvious a target (way more obvious than, for example, Bali).
Posted by: Martin at March 29, 2005 07:46 PM
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at March 29, 2005 08:02 PM
Posted by: Collin Baber at March 29, 2005 09:24 PM
Posted by: JRI at March 30, 2005 06:45 AM
Posted by: Irate Savant at March 30, 2005 11:32 AM
Posted by: Gordon at March 30, 2005 12:10 PM
JRI--Just what al-Zarqawi is probably saying.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 30, 2005 12:19 PM
Nothing more? Since the beginning of this year over 700 people have been killed in this insurgency. Last week Muslim rebels attacked a train with grenades and small arms fire, injuring 18. Other attacks this year included the cooridinated beheading of bhuddist monks and police chiefs by motorcycle-driving rebels; as well as numerous bomb attacks on soft targets in the South, including tourist bars and hotels (one of which left five people dead on 17 Feb). In March, ten rebels stormed a quarry and stole 1.4 tonnes of ammonium nitrate along with 58 sticks of dynamite and 180 detonators. In April, more than 110 people were left dead when masked rebels raided 15 police stations and security outposts.
Oh, and don't forget that Hambali, Jemmah Islamiyah's former bomb-making expert, was detained last year in Ayutiyah - the ancient capital of Siam located about 50miles from Bangkok.
Gordon is right to say the communist insurgency fizzled out in the 80s; but this isn't about commies, it's about UBL-inspired fanatics running around Thailand with shitloads of machetes, guns, explosives and money.
Posted by: Martin at March 30, 2005 04:48 PM
Posted by: joey at March 30, 2005 06:23 PM
And then after the Tsunami's, we come to find out that most of Sri Lanka are terrorists and we had to ask them not to get in the way of assistance.
Why help someone if they are going to allow these terrorists live there and destroy others that live there and aren't a part of their group?
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at March 31, 2005 09:51 AM
Just because most Fillipinos, Indonesians, Malay, Southern Thai etc etc are MUSLIM, that does not make them terrorists.
Only a tiny proportion (maybe 1%??) of inhabitants of those countries would support bomb attacks on civilians; and most of them will only lend their support due to their own ignorance through lack of education and social isolation. Indonesia, for example, is an archipelago - the Government excercises virtually no control over large swathes of its country due simply to topography, so how can you expect them to crush an ages-old Wahhabist tradition overnight??
If you were an impoverished Indonesian who knew of little else than subsistence farming, frequent natural disasters, and a vague notion of a superpower on the other side of the world where all its citizens are (comparatively) wealthy, and whose government has a history of attacking Muslim countries - Cindy: if you were brought into this world in that kind of state then I'm sure YOU too would be quite willing to criticse countries like America and England, and maybe even willing to turn a blind eye to atrocities commited against their civilians.
I'm not defending terrorism, or even support for terrorism - I'm just saying its totally understandable why many people in the world hate our countries, and instead of bitching about such views, or proposing a halt in aid to the tsunami victims (!!a disgusting suggestion btw - especially given that most of the tsunami victims were CHILDREN), we should be...
i.) improving our images in the world by showing a little more of Ben Franklin's MODEST DIFFIDENCE. I.e. No more Sean Hannity's.
ii.) supporting reform in their governments, and the gradual global democraticisation of Muslim countries in particular.
Islam and democracy are NOT incompatible (look at Turkey's history), and as far as I'm concerned Cindy's previous comment (and many others like it on this blog) basically amount to racism (or "faithism"?).
Before you condemn these countries why not take a vacation in the region, and see for yourself how much the people you're generalising about are 'terrorists'.
Posted by: Martin at March 31, 2005 01:33 PM
Look at Turkey's history? Are you talking about their invasion of parts of eastern Europe. How about the Arab countries? There invasion of Greece? The killings of Christians in Constantinople?
Posted by: greyrooster at March 31, 2005 07:05 PM
Yes... Turkey is still a pretty messed up place, (I'd certainly hate to spend any of my time in a Turkish jail, for example), however given the path that Turkey *could* have taken earlier last century I personally think they're doing pretty damn well.
Posted by: Martin at March 31, 2005 10:40 PM
Posted by: gfreyrooster at April 01, 2005 10:16 AM
Admittedly it may not be that simple though.
Posted by: Martin at April 01, 2005 10:41 AM
Then we get to watch specials on TV showing the opposite. They recently had a special showing students at muslim schools. All hated America because they are taught to by Islamofacists running the schools. The students interviewed had one thing in common. That was that America was full of uneducated people who brought nothing to the world except hollywood and hamburgers. The students explain that they were much better educated than Americans and America is just living off their knowledge. If so, they have no excuse except jealousy and religion. An answer that common sense dictates.
If they are so poor and ignorant, how do they build and pay for the world's tallest building?
We have poor here in America. Does this give them an excuse to hate another race and religion? Do the uneducated poor in America have an excuse for turning a blind eye to atrocities committed upon muslims?
Problem with liberal thinking is that it makes excuses where excuses shouldn't be given.
You give one view. They give another. Liberalism showing its ugly head here?
Hope the weather in Jolly ole England is better than it is here today. Balmy, overcast, can't see the sun. Reminds me of a place in Europe I visited last year. Ha, Ha,
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 11:46 AM
Posted by: greyrooster at April 02, 2005 10:55 AM
1. I make no distinction between 'no education' and what you call 'islamofascist education'. If an Indonesian kid is brought up in a madras-type-boarding school, being fed Western-hatred every day, then I don't blame him for his ignorance - I blame the Indonesian education system. That goes back to my original point about uprooting anti-Western culture being a major task and something that will take a long time to bring about (hence we should be patient) - nothing's more difficult to change that people's inherited belief system. The point is just cos the individuals are full of hatred it doesn't make them fundamentally evil - they've simply been brainwashed.
2. Malaysia has the world's tallest building, not Indonesia! (and not for long either)
As for your criticism about 'liberal thinking.. [giving] ..excuses where excuses shouldn't be given' I think I agree with you. But then conservative thinking is just as bad because it refuses excuses that often should be accepted, purely because they seem 'politically correct' or 'idealistic'. Aim for the middle ground!
Also you've shown YOUR ignorance in suggesting that English weather might be better here than in the States! We have the world's best climate (never too hot nor cold, no tornadoes, no major floods etc etc) - but the world's worst weather: i.e. 100% drizzle.
I dream of balmy overcasts!
Posted by: Martin at April 02, 2005 12:10 PM
English weather: So when someone says stick it where the sun don't shine they mean what? ha, ha. Ask any English tourist why he came here. Simple, he wanted to see what the sun looked like. Is it the weather that produces the great boxers coming out of England now? Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton are the best. Except for my favorite fighter Kostya Tszyu who will give your Ricky Hatton his first loss June 4th in Manchester. Love to be there for what will be the fight of the year. Maybe decade. Manchester will be in a party mode. Does the sun shine in June in Manchester?
While we patiently await a slow transformation of the brainwashed people of the world, what should our loses be? How much/many is an acceptable figure. We should watch our people get killed because their people/government/religion brainwashed them? Nay! They are the product of their own system. If they allowed themselves to be educated in this manner then they should receive the pain. Not us.
People/governments/religions are responsible for their actions.
When raising my kids ( a process that's never ending) I never accept I didn't know better when they did wrong. They should have learned better before doing it.
It is impossible to aim for the middle ground when dealing with ultra liberals. They will merely take their half and continue on attempting to take your half.
Have a nice day. Damn sun is shining through my window and putting a glare on my tele. Ha.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 03, 2005 08:08 AM
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