Italian Hostage Video Released (UPDATE)

GiulianaSgrenahostagevid.jpgA new video has surfaced of Giuliana Sgrena. In the video she claims the only way her life will be saved is if the occupation of Iraq ends.

Sgrena pleas are heard in both Italian and French. The video also superimposes the Arabic words "Mujahadin Without Borders" on the video.

The Associated Press translates her pleas:

You must end the occupation, it's the only way we can get out of this situation...

I ask the Italian government, the Italian people struggling against the occupation, I ask my husband, 'Please, help me You must do all you can to end the occupation. I'm counting on you, you can help me'...

Show all the pictures I have taken of the Iraqis, of the children hit by the cluster bombs, of the women. I beg you. Help me, help me to demand the withdrawal of the troops, help me spare my life.

These people don't want foreigners here, nobody should come to Iraq at this time. Not even journalists. Nobody.

Thousands of people are in prison, children, the elderly, women are raped, people die because they have nothing to eat, no electricity, no water.

What is interesting about the plea is that Giuliana Sgrena was already trying to end the occupation before she was kidnapped. Further, the Mujahadin Without Borders group is previously unknown and is a different organization than the Islamic Jihad Organization that initially claimed her abduction. Moreover, her claim that the jihadis do not want foreigners in the country is simply empirically false. What the jihadis do not want is non-dhimmi infidels in the country. Foreigners who wish to fight the 'Zionist-Crusader Forces' are always welcome.

While Sgrena seems to be visibly shaken in the video, the fact that she believes exactly what the terrorists believe, namely that the US is an evil aggressor, makes it somewhat difficult to swallow that she would actually be killed. Unlike other hostages, Sgrena was in Iraq for the sole purpose of producing anti-American propaganda.

Still, the video does seem to be authentic. Our initial reaction that this possibly could be a hoax seems less plausible now. Even so, it seems unlikely that she will be killed. In any event, anti-American activist with an agenda or not, we pray for her safe return.

However, we would also remind readers that several Americans are still being held hostage in Iraq. They are: Roy Hallums, Dean Sadek, Tim Bell, and Bill Bradley.

Update: Confederate Yankee chimes in with this:

A vigorous anti-war protestor, Sgrena's video was shown just hours before Italy's Senate started voting on extending the nation's 3,000-member military mission in Iraq until June.
He also points out this MSNBC story and notes that Sgrena seems to be directing the video:
At one point, her eyes watering as she struggled to recite her message, she waved the camera to stop.
If the intent of the video was to influence today's vote in Italy, it failed. BBC:
The Italian Senate voted by 141 to 112 to extend the country's 3,000-strong military presence in Iraq until June.

(Photo: Reuters. Sources: Agencies)

Bloggers react: Digger on the fact that 3 organizations have now taken credit--Most of these organizations don't seem to want to take credit for taking Mrs. Sgrena hostage and that may be because she was an outspoken anti-war advocate against the Iraq war.

Likwidshu at Say Anything--The people who kidnapped her don’t care that she’s against this war. They care about the propaganda aspect of her saying what they want her to say. She’s what is called a “useful idiot”.

Chad at ITB thinks the video strengthens the case of this being a hoax.

Others: Command Post

Posted by: Rusty at 03:43 PM

Comments

1 Meh. Not impressed with her performance, although I haven't seen the video.




[pssst--off topic--it's WT Wednesday]

Posted by: Beth at February 16, 2005 09:54 AM

2 Wasn't she supposed to be dead already? Didn't she already got released? I guess they decided that more publicity is needed.

Posted by: BigFire at February 16, 2005 09:59 AM

3 They first said she would be released, then a bogus claim came out saying she would be killed, then another one saying she would be released, then Il Manifesto claims they were in contact with her, and now this.

Posted by: Rusty at February 16, 2005 10:18 AM

4 What a fraud. Commie skank thinks she is doing the world a favor.

Posted by: Obsnooks at February 16, 2005 10:37 AM

5 Hands not tied behind her back, hmmmmm...no islamic flag...hmmmmmmm

Fake- She is a fraud.

Wonder how long it took her to set up the video camera. She did a good job with the graphics.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at February 16, 2005 10:39 AM

6 And there are more.......from other countries, too. Italy will not pull out and won't give in to terrorists.

Remember when we went into Fallajah and they found hundreds of discs with executions and beheadings on them? People we didn't even know were there or kidnapped/killed? If they kill her and they are using her right now basically because she is a woman, will be on another disc somewhere.

Can't trust those fanatics.

Cindy

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at February 16, 2005 10:52 AM

7 No one has her- She is a fraud. A Foreign Deaniac Fraud.

I hope she gets twat blisters from a dirty toilet seat.

Posted by: obsnooks at February 16, 2005 10:58 AM

8 Snooks is right. My money is on her being a fraud.

Anyone ever read the trash she prints on the USA?

Posted by: Allah's Cousin Pootay at February 16, 2005 10:59 AM

9 If they really do have her, don't think for a second they wouldn't kill her just because she agrees with them. These people have no soul.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at February 16, 2005 11:02 AM

10 Whassa matter with all of your brains? They killed other lefties like Margaret Hassan and Enzo Baldoni; Rightwingsparkle is the only one who seems to get it.

Plus, none of you can come up with a plausible reason why Ms. Sgrena would stage this anyway. Are you too thick to get that it only gives political ammo to people that she disagrees with?

The world is never just black vs. white; in this case, the terrorists hate us, but they hate people like Ms. Sgrena, too. She hates us and (I'm sure) the terrorists, and you guys hate her and the terrorists.

As for me, I hate the terrorists, I severely dislike most of you - but I want the fewest number of people on any side involved to die. Too hard for your black and white minds to deal with? Well, then, you can hate me all you want, but just remember, all of your mothers love me.

Posted by: Dr. Dr. at February 16, 2005 11:48 AM

11 oh yeah, and I don't want anyone to forget this:

February 07, 2005
Italian Hostage Hoax: Terrorists to Release Giuliana Sgrena

As predicted, Italian hostage Giuliana Sgrena is to be released:


Comments

I think that you can pretty much give yourself a highfive for that call Rusty.
Nice job!
Posted by: elliott at February 7, 2005 02:04 PM

Pats self on back...
Posted by: Rusty at February 7, 2005 02:16 PM

That stunk from the beginning. Good call!
Posted by: Beth at February 7, 2005 07:40 PM

Use the same hand that you used to pat your own backs to now wipe all that egg off of your faces.

Posted by: Dr. Dr. at February 16, 2005 11:51 AM

12 Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi... you're my only hope!

Posted by: OneDrummer at February 16, 2005 12:02 PM

13 The major difference being that Enzo Baldoni worked for the Red Cross, and thus could possibly be seen as a man working for the infidels. Margarat Hassan worked for CARE, another international charity which worked with the occupation government.

Sgrena was a reporter for a left-wing paper that supports the terrorists as 'freedom fighters'. I never said I "knew' this was all a hoax, only suspected it. I also 'suspect' that even if not a hoax Sgrena will be released.

Posted by: Rusty at February 16, 2005 12:14 PM

14 Would further stipulate that if Ms. Sgrena is killed, that you will no longer suspect that this is a hoax?

I still would like for someone to dream up a plausible scenario that would explain why should would come up with a hoax like this, even though, like I had said previously, this only helps out her opponents in the West. Anyone?

Posted by: Dr. Dr. at February 16, 2005 12:22 PM

15 "Mujahadin Without Borders?" Is that a spinoff of Doctor's without Borders, by any chance?

My first thought was that this could have been the same person or persons who made that stupid hostage video starring the G.I. Joe doll.

And her plea? We must show the pictures of the dead children and the women being raped? Nope. I'm not buying this "hostage" video. You were right with your initial skepticism. To me, her and her cohorts are trying a different tactic, since her initial pleas to get out have been ignored.

Posted by: mark at February 16, 2005 12:28 PM

16 Of course Dr. dr, so stipulated.

Posted by: Rusty at February 16, 2005 12:29 PM

17 I see great minds link alike. I blogged this as a possible fake as well, especially after the MSNBC version said she was waving to get the camerman to stop at one point, like she was directing the piece as well as starring in it.

I'm not saying it is defiately fake, but deserves some skepticism.

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at February 16, 2005 02:03 PM

18 Thank you, Dr. Rusty, you're not such a bad rightie.

All right, mark, since you're so sure, why don't you take a shot at explaining what this gains her. Come on, I'm really interested.

Or anyone else for that matter! Anyone? Don't just say that you think it's a hoax because a few things are fishy, and then not have any plausible explanation for why. Try to understand both the effect and the cause.

If you don't focus on the "why" of things, you're likely to fall victim to being a full-time conspiracy theorist - and then you're a slave to either Rush Limbaugh or Oliver Stone.

Posted by: Dr. Dr. at February 16, 2005 02:11 PM

19 I could be wrong, but my gut instinct tells me that this is no hoax. Why would it be? It makes her side look bad. She's a terrorist sympathizer and apologist and she gets kidnapped!? Puts a dent in her credibility, doesn't it?

Posted by: likwidshoe at February 16, 2005 02:29 PM

20 ...why don't you take a shot at explaining what this gains her.

It gets more people looking at her video.

Posted by: Mark Flacy at February 16, 2005 02:44 PM

21 I'll believe it when her head comes off little that it is actually attached to her body anyways. What was she thinking going to that country to suck up to garbage as she was clearly intending to do. Hell, from what I heard of her she is the biggest fan of bringing in as many muslims and everyone else in the world into Italy so she's getting her justice for what she believes in. She's going to find out the second that blade hits her neck that the world isn't full of idealistic dreamers like her. Tough shit for her.

Posted by: Andre at February 16, 2005 03:08 PM

22 Dr. Dr., if you're asking for proof of why people think this is a hoax, you've probably come to the wrong place. Most people here rarely back up they're "thoughts" with little more than a "because"-style answer.

I'm sure the discovery that the action-figure kidnapping was a hoax emboldened a lot of people here into thinking they're smarter than they actually are, but the sad fact remains that they're more conspiracy theorists than actual detectives. As such, asking them for proof is pretty much an exercise in futility.

Do I believe it's a hoax? No. Not yet anyways. I haven't seen anything suggesting it is, and the fact these criminals kidnap and murder anyone shows that it doesn't matter who's kidnapped.

Although I'm sure that if this turns out to be a hoax, you'll probably see half-a-dozen people suddenly exclaim how "right" they were.

Posted by: Venom at February 16, 2005 03:23 PM

23 For those of you who don't know a lot about this woman, she went to Iraq to try to find pictures of the U.S. Military killing civilians, especially, children, for anti-war, anti-US propaganda purposes.

She shares a common goal with her kidnappers. The question remaining is whether they feel that way as well.

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at February 16, 2005 03:54 PM

24 What does faking her own kidnapping gain her?

What did Dan Rather think his presenting forged documents would gain him?

ass.

Posted by: filthy allah at February 16, 2005 03:54 PM

25 This chick is a freak. She fakes her own kidnapping to get her nasty puss on the tube.

Press is eating this up-

Posted by: obsnooks at February 16, 2005 03:56 PM

26 I have updated the post. Confederate Yankee made an excellent point that I had to ad, namely, that the video came out on the same day that the Italian Senate voted on whether or not to leave Italian troops in Iraq.

Again, I never said I was positive about this. As for my readers, I don't know if they're conspiracy theorists or not. I don't think there is a conspiracy theory I've ever truly believed. This would be a first.

Posted by: Rusty at February 16, 2005 03:58 PM

27 How do you figure she's faking her kidnapping?

Posted by: Venom at February 16, 2005 03:59 PM

28 I would direct you to my first post on the subject, the day she was kidnapped. A number of things raised the suspicion.

She was, at that very moment, interviewing refugees from Fallujah camped at a mosque. The story was to be on how horrible it was for the Americans to invade that city.

She also happened to be on the phone, at the moment she was kidnapped, with another journalist.

Her own newspaper says she has a working relationship with radical Jihadi clerics in Iraq.

There's more like that.

Like I said, I have no evidence, I'm just speculating. Part of me thinks it's a hoax. The greater part of me thinks that while the abduction was real, the fact she has not been let out by now is propaganda. Her own newspaper has publicly stated that they have SEEN HER WHILE IN CAPTIVITY. That would be a first and it is the fishiest thing I've ever heard.

Posted by: Rusty at February 16, 2005 04:05 PM

29 You people obviously don't READ too well. Most of us who suspect the possibility of a hoax have said clearly that:

1) We are SORRY if we're wrong about it. No one is hoping for anything but her to be safe, and to either call off the hoax or be released. Call it wishful thinking if you will, but I'd rather see a hoax that discredits her than have her head chopped off.
2) We know Islamofascists don't give a rat's ass if an "infidel" is leftist, conservative, whatever. We're ALL infidels. Remind your lefty friends of that.
3) The reason some of us suspect it could be a hoax, Venom & Dr. Dr., is because she is virulently anti-war and before this, she was campaigning, if you will, for Italian forces to leave Iraq. Now she's the one who will die if the Italians don't leave. Get it???

I'm not saying that since it's POSSIBLE that it's FACT, it's just possible. Considering her credentials, it's more likely to be the case than with, say, ROY HALLUMS.

Posted by: Beth at February 16, 2005 04:05 PM

30 Likwidshoe, Mark Flacy, Venom, thanks for the responses. Mark, you have a given a decent enough reason.

Andre, your head is jammed so far in your butt that you can lick your own tonsils from behind. If you want to broadcast your mind's thoughts to the World, it's a good idea actually think while you're doing it. This will help your cause instead of making it look like it's supported by people with less understanding of things than a sponge.

Posted by: Dr. Dr. at February 16, 2005 04:16 PM

31 Sorry, Rusty, my last comment was for obsnooks...you just got your post in before mine.

In response to this comment by Beth:

"3) The reason some of us suspect it could be a hoax, Venom & Dr. Dr., is because she is virulently anti-war and before this, she was campaigning, if you will, for Italian forces to leave Iraq. Now she's the one who will die if the Italians don't leave. Get it???"

*cough* Margaret Hassan *cough*

Like I said, the Islamofascists behind these kinds of kidnappings don't care who they're holding or what their political beliefs are.

Posted by: Venom at February 16, 2005 04:17 PM

32 It's actually a good point that Venom is making, and had she been abducted from her office--like Hassan--I wouldn't be inclined to speculate like this. Hassan's activism was not really the same. She was against the war, but was not anti-American and pro-insurgency. The same cannot be said about Sgrena.

I would be both saddened and surprised to learn of Sgrena's demise.

Posted by: Rusty at February 16, 2005 04:21 PM

33 Beth your points, one by one:

1. Actually, a good number of the people here seem like they'd be happy to see her get what she's got coming. I'm not going to say that you're like them anymore than it would be smart to lump Ms. Sgreda together with her kidnappers, but don't act like the people here are all good people.

2. Hey, I'm completely aware of it. You don't see me out there. But I'm also capable of seeing that there are at least three sides in Iraq, probably closer to 20 million sides. Nothing is as simple as those who would like to see everything in binary want it to be.

3. If that's all it takes for you to think the worst of her, so be it. I return to the argument that you didn't read well either, that she has to be aware that this will only make her side weaker in Italy.

Terrorists the World over sometimes believe that irrational acts will goad the enemy into committing irrational acts in return, which is the best recruiting tool they can have. Look at the most extreme acts of terrorism in Israel, the Basque homeland, Ireland, Sri Lanka, heck, look at Al Qaeda, for God sakes. You don't really think that they thought that we wouldn't come after them, do you?



Posted by: Dr. Dr. at February 16, 2005 04:30 PM

34 I think your third point is the only one that needs my comment.

This may or may not weaken her side's position in Italy, but her motivations would be based purely on her subjective read of public opinion in Italy. If she believed it would help the anti-war position than that is all that is needed. Many people make bad political moves with the best of intentions.

Posted by: Rusty at February 16, 2005 04:53 PM

35 Its a fake!

Posted by: Karl at February 16, 2005 04:55 PM

36 I hope they let the women go and just leave her alone.When iraqs come to uk or us we dont decided were gna cut peoples heads off do we? the terrists need to be stopped and the us or the people to do this as for bin laden and al quida burn in hell

Posted by: pow at February 16, 2005 08:45 PM

37 what do they want now ? sgrena'a forced statement about
starving and dead children etc ......
what was islamoslobs' problems with margaret hassan ? she was one of them and a humanitarian aid worker for iraqis.
these POS just like to kill for fun.

Posted by: salome at February 16, 2005 10:31 PM

38 Sorry lady. You went there for attention and you got it. I'm sure you now understand the problem better.

Posted by: greyrooster at February 17, 2005 02:06 AM

39 She faked her own kidnapping in-order to influence Italy's vote on extending troop stays-

She is a vile sack of puss in a skin suit.

Why would she fake her own kidnapping?

C'mon. Same reason Dan Rather brought out the forged docs and claimed they were authentic. Grow up Venum.

Posted by: Obsnooks at February 17, 2005 07:53 AM

40 I hope this "kidnapped" lady sees reason and let's herself go.


FAKER FAKER FAKER FAKER FAKER FAKER


Posted by: Filthy Allah at February 17, 2005 07:55 AM

41 Filthy Allah is a perfect example of a people who doughts EVERYTHING. I fact, i will bet, if this person was ACTUALLY killed he would walk around her body saying "Oh...that blood is FAKE. that bullet hole is FAKE. ITS A FAKE! SOMKE AND MIRROR I SAY!! hahahahaha........BLAH!"

But thats just what I think...:)

Posted by: Night Weasel at February 17, 2005 08:09 AM

42 Pow, they wouldn't start hacking your heads off upon arriving in your country. They will wait till they have enough biomass so that they can actually accomplish it and make sure that resistence against such would be minimal.

Posted by: Andre at February 17, 2005 08:12 AM

43 You are very easy to manipulate. She has convinced you. I bet you thought Gorbachav was a great guy too-


The filthy Commie Skag, is a fake.

Posted by: filthy allah at February 17, 2005 08:20 AM

44 Heh, whatever you say snooks. I guess that's why you've got that high-profile job at the FBI where you can use those great detective skills of yours?

Posted by: Venom at February 17, 2005 09:35 AM

45 I know everyone's left the party, but I wanted to say a few things about this 2:11 post from venom:
Dr. Dr., if you're asking for proof of why people think this is a hoax, you've probably come to the wrong place. Most people here rarely back up they're "thoughts" with little more than a "because"-style answer.

V, it's easy to confuse trolls on hot posts with people who actually have an interest in a topic. trolls know no ideology [more like an idiot-ology] and often mirror what they perceive to be the high ground in any conversation. they curse and wish ill and don't bother with facts or consequences. they are trolls, little garbage-eating, bile-spewing, scenery-chewing beasts with some sort of nuclear exchange thing fueling their spleen. tarring everyone in a room with the same brush is fun sometimes, but ultimately pointless (unless you are a troll, then this works into that nuclear exchange thing).

I'm sure the discovery that the action-figure kidnapping was a hoax emboldened a lot of people here into thinking they're smarter than they actually are, but the sad fact remains that they're more conspiracy theorists than actual detectives. As such, asking them for proof is pretty much an exercise in futility.

you're responding to the trolls, not Rusty or the more thoughtful posters. but hey - if it's fun, carry on.

Do I believe it's a hoax? No. Not yet anyways. I haven't seen anything suggesting it is, and the fact these criminals kidnap and murder anyone shows that it doesn't matter who's kidnapped.

you'd be right about the Islamofascists, if they are behind this. what you've said is probably the only thing I would claim to know about them. Rusty is the expert. am I convinced of a hoax? it looks odd, that's for sure, but if anything, I think this woman has been hoodwinked into thinking it will be a useful hoax, and I fear that she will be woefully disabused when the captors find they have no more use for her, other than to prove they will put any infidel to the sword to maintain the fear and demonstrate their power and resolve. nonetheless, if she has cooperated, she is part of the hoax.

Although I'm sure that if this turns out to be a hoax, you'll probably see half-a-dozen people suddenly exclaim how "right" they were.

well, so? they will have been, but that doesn't make them smart or respectable or reliable. me? I'll be glad if she escapes with her life, sad if not, but bad behavior like hoaxes is like trolls - sometimes amusing, sometimes just a waste of energy to acknowledge, and sometimes tragically sad. but it should be unmasked when it attempts to weild political clout, because it ushers in anarchy.

Posted by: tee bee at February 17, 2005 09:48 AM

46 Sure looks and sounds like a fake job to me too.

Posted by: Larry Bon Jones at February 17, 2005 10:05 AM

47 tee bee,

Good points made on your third paragraph. Thanks for using your head in replying.

Also, the people on here who will claim they were "right" about this being a hoax if it is one won't be "right," they'll have been lucky. Big difference.

Posted by: Venom at February 17, 2005 10:05 AM

48 okay, V, you win. not that that's what was implied with "that doesn't make them smart or respectable or reliable."

have fun with the trolls! invert the nuclear reactor that is mindless energy expense! hey... the greenies should get on this one. think of the global warming coming from all that energy - think of the potential for meltdown!

Posted by: tee bee at February 17, 2005 10:41 AM

49 Venum has a soft head. Much like an over ripe peach.

Posted by: obsnooks at February 18, 2005 02:00 PM

50 Your blog says she was released. Where did you get that info from? No one else says she has been released!
These terrorists kill even their own Muslim fellows, why wouldn't they kill her? I think you guys are going a little overboard with the conspiracy theories! It's war and it sucks.
EVERYONE kills.

Posted by: iaia at February 21, 2005 07:41 AM

51 Ahhhh! Where's Dr Jack Shepard when you need him?

Posted by: greyrooster at February 24, 2005 05:34 AM

52 I thought this woman was a fraud all along. She is an enemy of the U.S. and has never been anything else. I doubt if she was really kidnapped in the first place, because it all seemed so staged from the start. Besides, she's on their side, and they know who their friends are. Seeing as how she and the people in the car with her tried to run a checkpoint and one of them got shot, the negotiator, coincidentally, it's starting to look even weirder. Somehow I don't think the negotiator was in on the hoax, and considering that he died from a single gunshot wound to the temple, I bet he was murdered to make it look real, or possibly they planned on getting themselves killed at the checkpoint in order to die as anti-American martyrs.
Oh, and one more thing, leftists are a bunch of retards, or as Lenin called them, "useful idiots".

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 06, 2005 06:57 PM

53 Maximus, you are an idiot for which a lack words to describe. Call the nurse to take you back you your room.

Posted by: Giuliana Srgena at March 07, 2005 02:07 PM

54 Lots of keyboard wankers here, to bad ya gots ya head in the sand about said commie. Can't tell what's right or wrong, can't see things for what they really are. Most likely due to ya game playing 24/7, I'm in my own world thinking, I control ya thoughts...LMSAO, ya right.
Pot Luck behind the keyboards, whom never leave their own backyards.

Out Of The Inner Circle

Posted by: Pathogen at March 12, 2005 10:40 AM






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