Italian Hostages Released!
Italian hostages Simona Pari and Simona Torretta have been released (original story on their abduction here). Two groups had claimed to have killed them last week. One claimed they were beheaded. I had speculated that they were both probably dead. I'm glad I was wrong. Just yesterday King Abdullah of Jordan said he knew they were alive. I look forward to hearing from them about their ordeal. The two were apparantly released for a $1 million dollar ransom. Reuters:
Two female Italian hostages seized in Baghdad three weeks ago were freed on Tuesday and are safe, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said. The two aid workers, Simona Pari and Simona Torretta, both aged 29, were taken at gun-point from their central Baghdad offices on Sept. 7, in a brazen kidnapping which caused jitters among the thousands of foreigners working in Iraq.... There had been little word on the fate of the Italians since their abduction, along with two Iraqi colleagues, although Al-Rai al-Aam, a leading Kuwait daily, reported the kidnappers had agreed to their release in exchange for a $1 million ransom.
Posted by: Brian B at September 28, 2004 02:05 PM
Posted by: Dee at September 28, 2004 02:30 PM
Posted by: paul at September 28, 2004 03:50 PM
I haven't heard anything mentioned about Bigley, even when news of the others being released was mentioned. Wonder what's going on?
Haven't seen any services broadcast for Armstrong. Saw the one they did for poor Hensley. Was he married, Armstrong? Did he have children??
Posted by: Laura at September 28, 2004 05:24 PM
Posted by: Roger at September 28, 2004 05:35 PM
It just puzzles me how they can let some go, and some not. Just crazy fuckers I guess.
Posted by: Laura at September 28, 2004 07:19 PM
I read early that Eugene was from Michigan, and had spent years doing engineer work in war zones such as Bosnia, even that he was going to write a book about his travels, it also said he had a wife in Thailand, but I think they may have mistaken that fact for Mr. Bigley as he has a wife from Thailand also,,,,,there is alittle bit of info here....nothing about kids
I hope our boys keep pounding the heck out of that place.....God Bless America
Posted by: Army Wife at September 28, 2004 08:20 PM
Negotiating with the terrorists only makes it harder for us to fight them. King Abdullah should know that better than anyone. Wait till they attack his country and he'll learn the hard way. As bad as Saudi Arabia is, at least they are working day and night going after Al Qaida and other terrorists continually; so is Pakistan and the Jordan comes walking in and pays ransom money for the release of these two women who knew what they were getting into when they went to Iraq.
The people are Darfur are dying by the thousands daily due to ARAB MUSLIMS. The women are paying the price plus they are doing all the work trying to save as many children as they can. These people are also TERRORISTS but do you see the UN doing anything about it??? Genocide is happening and what is the UN doing about it. What is their LAW OF THE LAND?? They certainly are not enforcing it. We have to send soldiers over there just to protect the UN so they can set up elections and make sure elections do happen in Iraq in January, if the UN ever shows up.
WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE ARE WE SENDING TO THE TERRORISTS WHEN SOMEONE INTENTIONALLY NEGOTIATES WITH THEM FOR THE RELEASE OF HOSTAGES??? Everyone, every country, has to stand together in this and that means NO NEGOTIONATIONS whatsoever with any of them.
I have nothing against these women but I have plenty against negotiations with terrorists and I have plenty against paying ransoms. Does anyone have any idea what these people can do and how far they can go with that kind of money??
I'm sorry but I truly believe this was a major mistake. Every country has to stand together to fight terrorism and that includes Jordan standing firm with the rest of the world.
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 28, 2004 09:10 PM
So that means that they CAN be dealt with, on their terms of course. If there was no negotiating, everyone else would be dead by now as well.
I am reading more and more that these Americans that are working over there, realized the danger, but I guess they never thought it would be them getting caught. Every move they made was being watched...scarey thought. I would've bailed out of there at the first sign of the US invasion. Why didn't Bush warn them first, before he decided to strike, or did he?
Seems like such a senseless, avoidable crime...I am still very shocked and saddened by this whole thing. If this grosses anyone out, please do NOT read any further, but I wondered why Armstrong's video had so much noise in it, even after he stopped screaming, you could still hear something....the other beheading videos you heard a yell and then quiet...just wondering what that weird noise was during Armstrong's...God bless him and Hensley and all the others.
Posted by: Laura at September 28, 2004 09:34 PM
As to the females who were released and others who were released yesterday, the word is they were held by Iraqi's, not Zarqawi or Zarqwiri, the so called #2 in command of Al Qaida, which is why it was easier to secure their release. Ken Bigley is being held by a group associated with Zarqawi, which is why he has not been released and may never be released.
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 29, 2004 05:41 AM
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 29, 2004 05:55 AM
I'd rather invest $50 million in securing those two women from abduction, or developing strategies and resources for locating them once they've been abducted, than a million ransoming them afterwards. And though I hate to say it, I'd rather kill the abductors than rescue the abductees. I know that seems heartless, but in the long run it'd mean fewer abductions.
Well, I'm happy they're safe anyway. Nothing I can do about the policy, so I won't fret over it too much.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 29, 2004 07:40 AM
Posted by: greyrooster at September 29, 2004 07:46 AM
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 29, 2004 08:11 AM
Posted by: Todd at September 29, 2004 08:20 AM
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 29, 2004 08:21 AM
That is terrible!!!!! So, Armstrong probably was still screaming with whatever he had left, or was that his windpipe making that noise as the air rushed in? Sounded to me like a horrendous death throttle, like a pig being slaughtered! I think he suffered more than the others. It's a wonder how the camera guy didn't drop the camera and get sick, or the others....bastards, just goes to show you how evil and warped these guys are. Anyone in thei right minds would have gotten sick.
Still cannot believe this shit happens
Posted by: Laura at September 29, 2004 02:46 PM
The two Al Qaida men found guilty yesterday of bombing the USS Cole are already dead today; they didn't say how. I imagine it was in the form of the old version of beheading that they do in Saudi Arabia, too, for the last two that were recently beheaded there were guilty of drug trafficking.
The way these particular terrorists behead hostages and others, and yes, there are many others, like the Checken terrorists who are also Muslims, radical Islamists, is done in such a way as to cause the most terror to those who are watching, which is why they videotape everything they do - including IED's, suicide bombers, etc., for the maximum terror possible by doing it the way they do, and as you can tell, it does.
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 29, 2004 06:47 PM
I was confused about the thailand thing , I knew I had read it in more than one profile. Thanks..
Why do they not realize the only women we have in custody are two that deserve to be there....they act like we have hundreds....just shows how stupid they are, I do know the horrible pictures of what we did to the Iraqi prisoners or the idiot soilders that did it, brought a lot more of this crap on...how stupid could they be to take those pictures.......
My husband is in Baghdad right now....he has been in the army for over 10 years, even he said he can't believe they did that, talk about evidence...and of course all our crap gets put on the news for days........the stuff they do they seem to hide the cruelty of it.....such as Armstrong,,forgotten like he was nothing already, I hope they bomb the hell out of that place, those people need to start standing up for themselves and help our boys out, I think we are all tired of playing babysitter.......
Posted by: madarmywife at September 29, 2004 07:51 PM
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 29, 2004 11:10 PM
The release in Iraq of two Italian aid workers poses the question: why cannot the British Goverment do the same for Ken Bigley? The answer is, of course, that it could try to, by negotiating with his captors, Tawhid and Jihad, by paying a ransom or by persuading the Americans to release two Iraqi women who worked on Saddam's biological weapons programme. Mr Bigley might then be freed, and his family and friends, indeed the whole nation, would breathe a sigh of relief.
That relief, however, would come at a cost. It would lend legitimacy to a group that, under the Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, has filmed the beheading of several hostages and then distributed the videos. It would encourage Zarqawi, who is thought to have links with al-Qa'eda, in his campaign of kidnapping and suicide bombing in Iraq. All this would make life harder for an interim government trying to create the conditions for elections to a national assembly in January, and for the coalition forces that are assisting it.
The Italians, who are believed to have paid $1 million for the release of Simona Pari and Simona Torretta, say that their case is different. They argue that the two women were held by a criminal gang whose sole interest was money and that dealing with them is a lesser evil than compromising with a notorious assassin such as Zarqawi. The distinction is spurious, because it suggests that Tawhid and Jihad are somehow nobler than the gang who seized the two Simonas, whereas members of both are just criminals. Also, the non-political groups conduct a trade in hostages with the ideologically driven ones.
Italy rejoices in the return home of two hostages who had become symbols of widespread domestic opposition to the occupation of Iraq. Their release will boost the sagging popularity of the prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, who is struggling to keep his coalition together and to revive the economy. But the obverse of his satisfaction is that hostage-taking has been shown to pay, which will make the lives of foreigners working in Iraq-and of Iraqis themselves-even riskier than they are already. The solidarity of the allied coalition, of which Italy is part, has been shaken by a deal that puts Mr Berlusconi at odds with the tougher line on kidnapping taken by Washington and London. The Western world has had decades of experience in handling hostage-taking in the Middle East. It is depressing still to have to remind its governments of the folly of yielding to criminal demands.
Posted by: paul at September 30, 2004 07:40 AM
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