Two Italian Women Hostages Murdered, UPDATED--make that 'beheaded'
UPDATE 9/23: The Italian government remains skeptical over the claims (story here). I am more confident of the claims. The original abduction was on Sept. 7th. Three days later, a message was left by a group called "Ansar al-Zawahiri", threatened to behead the hostages within 24 hrs and that their bodies would never be found. Today, Reuters reports that Ansar al-Zawahiri will soon release a video of Simona Pari and Simona Torretta being beheaded. I pray that I'm wrong, but suspect that I am not. The religion of irony has struck again.A group calling itself the Jihad Organisation in Iraq have claimed to have murdered Simona Pari and Simona Torretta (pictured right, click to enlarge). The two Italian women were in Iraq as aid workers helping Iraqi children. They worked for A Bridge to Baghdad an organization that was in Iraq before the war, which attempted to end UN sanctions. May God speed you to his rest, and may his wrath rain down on those who murdered you. According to Reuters the group said:
We in the Jihad Organisation in Iraq announce that God's verdict has been passed on the two Italian prisoners by slaughtering, after the Italian government headed by the vile (Prime Minister Silvio) Berlusconi did not listen to our one condition to withdraw from Iraq," the statement said. "We warn the Italian government that we will continue to strike, and to strike every foreigner living in Iraq," said the statement, dated September 22.My previous post and background information is here. As I said in that post "Next thing you know they will be grabbing Mother Theresa's corpse and threatening to behead it." UPDATE 9/23: Via Chad Evans I found the full message from the al-Jihad Organization in Iraq, as translated by Evan F. Kohlman reads:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful: Praise be to Allah, Lord of this world and the next, and may His peace be upon the leader of his mujahideen. We in the Jihad Organization in Iraq announce that Allah’s verdict has been executed on the two Italian prisoners by slaughtering them, after the Italian government headed by the evil Berlusconi ignored our sole condition to withdraw from Iraq. We in the Jihad Organization warn the Italian government that we will continue to strike, and to strike every foreigner living in Iraq. We will not relent and we will not yield until we dig your graves in every inch of the land of Islam. We will make Iraq a cemetery for you and all those who let themselves be seduced into committing aggression against the Muslims. Those who have done wrong will meet their fate.UPDATE II 9/23: A second group has claimed responsibility for their deaths. Again, translation via Evan F. Kohlman:
“In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful…”“In response to the savage and bloody massacres that Italian forces have carried out against the Iraqi nation in the city of Al-Nasiriya; In response to the Zionist crusader forces in Iraq who have raped Muslims, mocked them, and danced around them in Iraqi prisons; In response to the support of the Italian government for the Zionist forces who kill the Muslims in Palestine; In response to the support of the Italian and Zionist governments for the Russian forces who hold Muslims hostage in Chechen prisons; In response to the insult from the Italians who made Islam sound cold and provocative when they suggested that Western civilization developed from that of Islam; In response to the politics of provocation, arrogance, conceit, and the way that the Italians have mocked the mujahideen threats to them on the Internet; In response to the refusal of the Italian government to accede to our demands: releasing theToday has been a very bad day.
Muslim prisoners in Iraq, specifying a timetable to withdraw from Iraq, assisting in the release of Muslim prisoners in Chechen prisons, and assisting in the release of all Arab detainees held in the prisons of the Zionist allies, at the behest of the Zionists in their war on Islam:” “Two criminal Italian agents of the Italian intelligence services—Simona Pari and Simona Toretta—have been beheaded without pity or mercy. Allah willing, we will soon publish a videotape of the beheading of the Italian hostages…” “…Also, the Ansar al-Zawahiri Organization pledges a direct military response to the assassination of the courageous Jordanian mujahid Abu Anas al-Shami in less than 24 hours. We swear by the mighty Allah, we swear by the mighty Allah, we swear by the mighty Allah, that the assassination of Abu Anas al-Shami will not fade without a requisite punishment. And the military response will target the Zionist crusader forces in less than 24 hours.” “Additionally, we threaten the government of Denmark with the commencement of military strikes with utmost fatal ferocity if it does not declare a timetable for its withdrawal from Iraq. The government of Denmark should benefit from the Italian lesson, and the Russian lesson, and the British lesson, and the American lesson, because we will not show mercy to any Danish citizen who falls into our hands unless the Danish nation submit to our demands.” “And we appeal to the Tawheed wal-Jihad Movement not to spare the British hostage, and not to show him any mercy or pity, even if all the crusader nations around the world submit to their demands.”
Hat tip: Jon PS-If anyone has a tip, please e-mail me. Too many comments for me to properly read them all.
Most Italians are Catholic, as am I, but let's not forget that when the US decided to go into Iraq to liberate millions of oppressed people, the Pope called George Bush -- not Saddam Hussein -- to talk him out of action that might kill innocent people.
If the Vatican says nothing now, it deserves to disappear.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at September 22, 2004 08:41 PM
i'm sure i'll get alot of people thinking i'm callous/uncaring or whatever, but really i'm just a bit scientific by nature, and i am truly wondering if anyone else noticed this.
Posted by: jack at September 22, 2004 11:40 PM
Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 11:54 PM
Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 04:19 AM
Posted by: ubetterunlikehell at September 23, 2004 04:36 AM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 07:16 AM
As for God, well, it's apparent there isn't one or if there is then he certainly hasn't taken any sides. Maybe he is hanginging his head in shame at both sides us of Right and Wrong, both twisted out or proportion. I'll be glad when this world is religion free and we can all get back to the realisation that there is only this life and it should be treated with the utmost respect and care
Posted by: MB at September 23, 2004 08:10 AM
Brilliant. Yeah, those anti-religion governments sure weren't oppressive or anything like that. I mean, as long as you don't include---er, well--everyone of them, then you're right on. Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, North Korea, etc.....
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 08:27 AM
Yeah, the atheists have a great track record too (see Communism From Marx to International ANSWER).
Listen to John Lennon's Imagine backwards and it says, "you must be high to buy this garbage, coo coo ca choo"
Good post, Rusty
Posted by: Gordon at September 23, 2004 08:27 AM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 08:59 AM
I am Atheist but I don't want to do anything to stop other people believing in whatever clap-trap they want to believe in.
Just keep it out of my face, out of my politics and out of my life and all will be fine between us.
Posted by: Red Devil at September 23, 2004 09:00 AM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:03 AM
Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer at September 23, 2004 09:06 AM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:08 AM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:35 AM
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 09:39 AM
We are right now only doing the last one. Simple stuff ... but why dont we do it ... because we might piss off some crown princes and princess's in the Gulf ... SO FUCKING WHAT!
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 09:47 AM
I am so angry at this point I could almost help you carry that burden of the destruction of an entire region. Innocents would be terminated as well in an ETHNIC cleansing. Although I am angry however I would not wipe out an entire region for the actions of a few insane men. That kind of action would open an entire other "can of worms". Our anger does point us towards that kind of conclusion though doesn't it? I pray that my anger never makes me one of THEM. I am afraid some of the rhetoric sometimes sounds like it though.
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:48 AM
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 09:52 AM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:53 AM
Posted by: tim jones at September 23, 2004 10:02 AM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 10:18 AM
When making an omelet one has to break a few eggs.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 10:30 AM
Do you think that anything less will make them stop? These vermin don't understand civil behavior anymore than a charging grizzly bear understands that you are not dinner.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 10:32 AM
You think the FBI really cares? They are a politicized group that only cares about their face in the public. They wouldn't dare make a good crackdown on Islamics in this country since they'd be accussed of racial profiling. It's much too easy for them to play pin the terrorist label on a bunch of rednecks in bedsheets now isn't it?
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 10:37 AM
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 10:49 AM
Are they saying the same thing in Iraq about 2 innocent Italian women?? Were they thinking that as they slid a knife up to the throats of women and men slicing thier heads off?? I just do not want to be like them in any way. There must be some answer better than making the entire region into a glass parking lot.
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 10:51 AM
I guess I like the phrase, "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out." well, in this case its allah, i'm not one to judge good from bad and its not worth trying to sort the good from the bad in this case. Any con-artist can look you in the face and con you out of everything you are worth while making you feel like a million bucks. But this situation is they'll smile at you one minute and the next they'll cut your head off. Is it worth the risk, answer while visioning your head being sawed off. That way, we get a real reflective answer.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 10:55 AM
Right now i'm so irratated I don't think I could handle it if I actually see the video pop up. As far as being like them, thats like trying to negotate to a bully not to bully you, they're going to laugh at you, get their friends into the deal and all that makes you is a victim or a doormat.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 11:03 AM
I am understanding your feelings completely. I am not going to fight about this. Disgusted by these people I certainly am. One must learn from history though. Men of this nature have throughout time been captured, found out, hunted down etc... They do not continue this behavior forever whithout paying some kind of consequence. I just cannot believe that every man, woman, and child in that expansive region is inherently evil. I believe in mankind. I know in my heart that the right thing will happen. Focus your energy on those who are actually responsible for these grisly and awful attrocities. Keep the heat on THEM. If one bee is attacking, and stinging you don't go and knock the whole nest down to get back at that one bee. You get my meaning?? I do not want to be stung thousands of times.
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 11:46 AM
"...the same way the FBI deals with ...".
the point of that statement was to point out the METHODOLOGY for going about this.
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 11:48 AM
Read mine, they don't want to be called racial profiliers by going after Islamists now don't they? It's way to easy for them to go after rednecks in suspenders sporting shotguns or rednecks in bedsheets lighting crosses in some backwoods area than it is to go after some group a batch of blathering boobs would call "oppressed people of color." or whatever the current diatrab is for them. If its neck is red you may proceed if its brown stand down seems to be the FBI motto when it comes to anything that could be construed as racial profiling. Sure, they could use the same methods but those with big hearts and no brains would stand up on their hind legs and denounce it as "racial profiling" and "racism."
At least that is how I see it.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 11:55 AM
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 11:59 AM
Perhaps that is part of the reason, but they actually have borrowed the practice from Hamas. The reason they wrap themselves is because in Islam the corpse of the dead must be wrapped like that (think of Jesus being wrapped after his death). Thus, the shahids, or Slaves to Allah, are signifying that they are already dead and that their bodies are prepared for the imminent death they expect. As they themselves say, "We love death more than life, while you love life more than death." Indeed. Lachaim!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 12:13 PM
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 12:26 PM
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 01:08 PM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 02:01 PM
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 02:16 PM
We need to see al Jazeera for what it is: the propaganda arm for the Islamists and Jihadis who are after a world-wide Islamic state. The reason, possibly, that they deny the deaths is because they understand that this would be a PR no-no to behead women. While some section of the Islamic world might condone murdering men, women are no-no to most. Just speculation.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 02:50 PM
Actually, they have no qualms about killing their own women, so one of ours they should have no problem in doing so either. I read for example IRAN executed a 16 year old girl this past month (death by hanging) just for having a "sharp tongue." Matter of fact, just go onto yahoo.com and type +"16 year old" +"hanging" search for that and you will see the story.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 02:54 PM
You are right. They may have gotten wind of the outrage this might cause them. They may be backing out of it. Trying to find a way to deny that it happenned..... Even if it did happen. That television station is an arm of the movement over there... A little like Dan Rather is an arm of the liberal party.
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 03:07 PM
We execute our mentally retarded also ... what are we o do invade every country how executes someone after a trial(you dont have to like their legal system). Sometimes there is a line drawn. Dont even compare that to this situation, its different hanging someone and its a little different putting your foot to someone's head and sawing through their throat.
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 03:07 PM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 03:10 PM
Read what I wrote:
"Actually, they have no qualms about killing their own women, so one of ours they should have no problem in doing so either."
Now which part didn't you understand the qualms or the killing their own women?
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 03:13 PM
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 03:18 PM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 03:32 PM
Posted by: Brigette at September 23, 2004 03:35 PM
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 03:40 PM
If i'm not mistaken they never made mention that the virgins would be women and who said they will end up in heaven anyhow? They might just find themselves in hell with 72 virgin male camels, also rabidly horny ones too. Imagine a hell like that set aside for all these lovely allah akbar types, a very fitting eternity for them might I add.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 03:45 PM
I agree with the thought that IF the 2 women have not been murdered the terrorists MAY shy away from carring out their threats. Though having lived in the middle east I can tell you saddly ... that would not stop them. People like these do not heed anyone or anything. Want a good example the palastinian terrorist population ... they love hitting those buses.
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 04:38 PM
Turks and Iranians are not Arabs ... They dispise arabs because they had them under their hegemony for centuries. Arabs are useless camel jockies who dont know how to fight as a standing army ... i.e. every time they have had their asses handed to them in battle because THEY RUN LIKE RATS!
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 04:41 PM
Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 05:47 PM
I doubt there would be a backlash throughout the world as the world by in large laughed about what is going on in such countries as Zimbabwe. Most of the third world countries looked the other way at what is going on there, but in the first world countries I think they'll be a lot of voices like my own when I started posting in this thread.
Right now i'm steaming up again over this.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 08:28 PM
Posted by: Dave at September 23, 2004 10:57 PM
Your more than likely right, these muslims who are of so much mercy and peace normally do that. Again I point to the story of the 16 year old iranian girl who was hanged. It pretty much well says that the police will rape females as well who go to them after being raped. Praise Allah and pass the pork!
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 11:09 PM
Posted by: Chris at September 24, 2004 06:26 AM
Posted by: ELLEN at September 24, 2004 06:58 AM
Well, they are vermin now aren't they? They probably understand that the sentiment in the west will be to no longer accept these cockroaches who hold up signs saying, "islam will dominate the world." because they understand islam would quickly dominate the cemetaries in short order.
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 07:06 AM
Posted by: Sue at September 24, 2004 08:58 AM
Honestly, they will regret just as a condemned prisoner who has committed multiple murders is strapped into the gurney or electric chair it is only at the end do they finally experience pains of regret but it isn't an alturistic regret either.
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 09:18 AM
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 01:31 PM
The mother of the child whom is bringing charges against Michael Jackson told the press that "God choose her son to bring Michael Jackson to justice". No matter what happens, your diety of choice meant that for you (and I'm speaking about the terrorists, not you specifically).
Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 01:32 PM
Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 01:33 PM
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:28 PM
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 02:58 PM
Any chance that we're dealing with that small of a group of wackos?
And someone please answer me, what's wrong with this approach: shouldn't the US be issuing a warning to all civilians in Iraq to get out of town for a while, until this this is under control? I know they are there to rebuild Iraq, and pulling them out would delay the rebuilding, but in other countries, the US Government has issued decrees (I forget what they call them) for US citizens to get out asap when they sense something big is likley to happen. Doesn't this qualify as something big? Or in the grand sceme of things, are these few civilians too small to warrant such a strong defensive approach?
Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 03:01 PM
search in english.pravda.ru you'll find more gorey details and information on the attacks there. Though I see some common gramatical errors that occur when non-english speakers translate to and from their own native languge. (should know, i'm learning russian in college right now.)
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 03:20 PM
This is the picture I was crowing about:
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 05:02 PM
A GROSS UNDERESTIMATION HAS BEEN MADE HERE!
This is the way these people fight... these people are worse then animals....animals do not kill for sport or statement.....these people are heinous evil hollow beings to us free of mercy,humanity or any regard for human life regardless of age or gender...but they see themselves as serving god's will.
A new government, reform, people free from oppression....you can take the spots off a cheetah...it's still a cheetah.
This disgusting means of murder and torure is not new....it's just with the electronic age we can have it in our face. Our government knew first hand what atroscities are being commited....ie: how they fight..and still chose to go to war unprepared...without a long-term plan....a gross miscalculation/underestimation...
Unaccepable actions from someone elected as the leader of the free world and the man who sent us to war.
....how do you unring a bell?
I am terrified to continue and terrified what would happen if we withdraw...Somalia...Veitnam???
These people are evil and I am scared...but I don't know what I fear most them or a president that chose to fight these kind of people unprepared.....and I voted for him last time...won't make that mistake again.
Posted by: Catcher at September 24, 2004 05:09 PM
Posted by: John Burke at September 25, 2004 06:35 PM
Posted by: Andre at September 25, 2004 07:32 PM
you illegally invade Iraq , kill thousands of innocents , bomb the crap out of afganistan killing even more thousands , then have the nerve to be outraged when a couple of hostages get thier heads cut off !!!!!!
These people hate america with very good reason (it was only this morning i saw a baby being pulled form the ruble of a building the yankeess had bombed ) so why shouldnt they hit back at you ???
Posted by: ali at September 26, 2004 03:29 AM
Posted by: elbow at September 26, 2004 11:01 AM
Posted by: Andre at September 26, 2004 01:48 PM
ROME, 09/27 - A Kuwaiti paper said that the two kidnapped Italian aid workers in Iraq were in good health and being treated well by their kidnappers, Italian News Agency ANSA reported on Sunday.
Maybe good news, may be just false hopes.
Posted by: Andre at September 27, 2004 08:38 PM
Posted by: Fed Up at September 27, 2004 09:31 PM
Do think about this for a while and you will then realise the truth.
Posted by: Arjun at September 28, 2004 11:57 AM
Posted by: Daniel at October 08, 2004 12:46 PM
Posted by: Kiumars Mohimi at October 08, 2004 01:42 PM
fucks just like they have done to the US and other countries! Time to get a taste of their medicine or a feel of their own KNIFE!
Posted by: NI4NI at October 11, 2004 02:44 PM
In fact.... Texas is bigger than your whole country. Further ....I think I am a few days short of telling you to kiss my ass. (I am smiling.) The only thing most of your people have ever been good at is making wine and surrendering!! I am proud to be from Texas and a woman. As far as Jihad or any facsimile, I refuse to be intimidated by those bastards and they may kill me, but I promise you ... I am taking a few of the pricks with me.
I REFUSE to beg for ANYTHYING!! I would probably piss them off so bad they wouldn't get to the beheading part. They way I see it... I wouldn't give them the satisfaction... I would accept the fact I was toast and try to kill as many as I could. If it has to be the Wild West for a while so be it!!! I am deadly accurate with a firearm....as many of us "rednecks' are. Any chicken shit that would as a man behead a woman let alone any other human being is a satanic monster. Some of those people were missionaries helping Iraqi children. They brutalize and kill their own people... yet they are hacked because we are killing some of them? I think Allah is a translation for Satan. As for the Atheists above... If you act like there is no God...You'd better be right. Take your vitamins,and look both ways before you cross the street. Thats the beauty of being in a free country.... you have the first amendment right to go to hell in a handbasket as an atheist, or tell someone to kiss your happy ass.
Ya gotta love it!!! Yours very truly....
T E X A S R E D N E C K :o)
Posted by: Proud to be a redneck at November 04, 2004 11:26 PM
We love you redneck girl!!
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