American Hostage Jack Hensley Beheading Video Released

Scroll down past updates for original post on the Jack Hensley video for links to video, images from it, and news.

UPDATE 10/08: Kenneth Bigley executed in Iraq by Zarqawi terrorist organization. The story is developing, but sources in Fallujah claim Bigley beheaded. For the latest information, links to video, and images on the Kenneth Bigley murder please go to the MAIN PAGE or by CLICKING HERE for the 10/08 report.

For the latest information, links to video, and images on hostages in Iraq please check the main page by CLICKING HERE.

Here is a list of all the victims of Islamic Beheadings since late July this year.

10/08 Kenneth Bigley Executed in Iraq Images and Video Here.
10/02 Iraqi Victim Barie Nafie Dawoud Ibrahim Beheading Video and Images Here
9/22 American Hostage Jack Hensley Beheading Video and Images Here
9/20 American Hostage Eugene Armstrong Beheaded on Video Here
9/13 Turkish Hostage Beheaded on Video Here
9/08 Three Muslim 'Informants' Beheaded by the Religion of Irony
8/31 12 Nepalese Hostages Killed, 1 Beheaded Here
8/26 Italian Hostage Enzo Baldoni Murdered Here
8/25 Alleged CIA Agent Beheaded in Video Here
8/13 Another Alleged CIA Agent Beheaded on Video Here
8/11 CIA Agent Executed: Another Beheading Video
8/09 Another Bulgarian Beheading Video
8/02 Turkish Hostage Murdered
7/28 Bulgarian Beheading Video
7/27 Kashmir Rebels Bomb Hospital, Behead Three
7/27 Paul Johnson Beheading Video and Images Here

A new video has been released by Abu Musab al Zarqawi's al-Tawhid Wal Jihad terrorist organization showing the gruesome beheading murder of American hostage Jack Hensley. A link to the video is below. The group claimed to have beheaded Mr. Hensley yesterday at an Islamic bulletin board. My previous post about this is here. Images from the video are in the extended entry below.

UPDATE: If you would like to help the Hensley family in their time of need please consider donating to the Jack Hensley Foundation.

WARNING!! Video is very graphic. More than that, it is sick and disgusting. Earlier today the terrorist released a video in which they try to blame the imminent beheading of Kenneth Bigley on Tony Blair. After you see this, you will know who the real criminals are.

The video can be downloaded at NEIN or with this link.

Two non-graphic images from the video

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Images from the video can be found below. WARNING!!! Not for the faint at heart, but these images will remind you of the scumbags we are fighting.

Images below. Last chance to avoid them



Posted by: Rusty at 03:15 PM


1 I watched the first beheading of nick burgess and cannot stomach any more
I hope, pray and dream that some day this will all stop
my preys are with his family

Posted by: Dee at September 22, 2004 03:24 PM

2 Truly disgustingly barbaric :(

Posted by: Digger at September 22, 2004 03:41 PM

3 Sick and disgusting, yes. Critical that we all see just what cowards these animals are, hiding behind their underwear worn on their head, butchering innocent people with their hands tied behind their backs. Fortunately, the hostages eyes are usually covered, as I'd hate to see the look the hostages' eyes as the knife draws near.

It makes me sick to the stomach too, Dee, indeed. My thoughts to his family and all the other victims. But I must admit that the more of these attrocities I see, the stronger my resolve that we must do something to stop them. Just what, I don't know. And to think that they're raising a whole new generation of murderers every day, all in the name of their "god". What sort of god encourages religious cleansing?

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 03:41 PM

4 Do we have to wait another day?

I'm getting tired here, Rusty.


Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 22, 2004 03:49 PM

5 I was wondering if anybody actually watched this vid. I am too scared too... but was wondering and hoping Jack would have yelled out something before they actually killed him. Do you think maybe they actually druged him?


Posted by: Curious at September 22, 2004 03:50 PM

6 Somebody must know where these sick son of a bitchs are hiding out.

Posted by: dee at September 22, 2004 03:53 PM

7 Bush belongs in the hands of the Iraquis. I know that its senseless to blame Bush now for what he has started, but the fact remains, we have only seen these beheadings under Bush. Many people have died, too many people in pain. The Iraquis know EXACTLY what they're doing. They might start off with negotiations, but we all know they dont really mean them. They have already put death marks on all these captives without any thought to letting them go. They know United State's policy about threats, they know EXACTLY what they are doing...and it wont end.

Posted by: Disgusted at September 22, 2004 03:57 PM

8 "What sort of god encourages religious cleansing?"

Every God that every asshole with a chip on their shoulder believes they are killing in his name. More killing and bloodshed has been done in the name of God than any other reason. If its "your" God who is the reason its good ... the other sucker's fighting for his God is SOL.

Posted by: Salamander at September 22, 2004 04:00 PM

9 My condolescence to the families and friends of Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley I hope after all that sufference they are in paradise now.
I feel we all should act up in our countries and even if we are not as cruel as they are we should send them all out with no exemptions as they do with us.
We should start to kill as many as we can of them,down our streets and in theyr mosquee as they do not have any respect of our religion nor of our people.
We Must act now until they are not yet so strong and before they will be more powerful arounf the world.
Everybody has to do something. We can't have our sons with theyr sons in our (european) schools.
If violence is the only way to comunicate with them then we must use their same "language"They have just killed two innoncent man WE MUST do the same,
If we walk down the street and we see any muslim walking if we are sure no police is around and we have the chanche we MUST kill him/her.
It's the only way

sorry for my english I'm Italian

Posted by: andrea at September 22, 2004 04:01 PM

10 We should drop the MOAB on Al Jezeera after we stake it out for who ever keeps releasing these videos. These people want an audience. If we take away their vehicle of hate and propaganda their message won't be heard as easily as it is now. I'm no computer wizard but isn't there a way to use their ISP/IP addy or something to track them down? These beheadings are turning my gut and giving me the very same 1000 yard stare I was trained to treat fellow soldiers for as Air Force medic. My thoughts and prayers are with the families and souls of those murdered and under threat of murder.

Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 04:13 PM

11 Disgusted says:
the fact remains, we have only seen these beheadings under Bush.

On the contrary, beheadings and other acts of just-as-sensless terrorism (plane hijackings/bombings for example) have been around for centuries (well, planes haven't been around for centuries, but you know what I mean, I hope). Beheadings have been going on long before Bush's daddy was Pres. of the USA.

Salamander is right about "your" GOD being the reason to kill: my question was rhetorical in nature. I see religion as having been invented for a primary purpose of justifying the killing of those who don't belong to your religious group. How many innocents have the Catholics killed for example(think back centuries, not months). In the old days it made sense: rape and plunder your neighboring countries to steal their land, livestock, and women, and your religion will propagate. Some religions have evolved, some are still way back there in the dark ages.

Andrea, your feelings of hatred are shared by many of us, but if we kill innocent Muslims in the name of exterminating the religion, aren't we no better than them? Beheading innocent Muslims is no different than beheading Bush, which some have called for on this blog.

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 04:18 PM

12 BTW, I wish Jack's family had set up a Paypal scheme or something.

They shouldn't think that only people of America would want to contribute.

Posted by: Red Devil at September 22, 2004 04:23 PM

13 Laudry Queen, I'm no computer wiz either, but the problem with tracking these people down via ISPs/IP addresses is similar to the problem tracing down a computer hacker operating in a third-world country: much covering of their tracks, jumping from site to site, and a world-wide playing field in which Western world laws don't exist everywhere. You and I use are using the Internet to freely express out opinions, which isn't something that belongs only to the US. Taking away the terrorists media on the "free" Internet goes against the inherent purpose for the Internet to begin with. It has certainly changed the tactics of terroristic war though, now that their message can be heard/seen by millions without mainstream media "cleansing" of the images/thoughts, making it easier for anyone to reach their intended audience. Some people are using these technological advancements for good, obviously these people use it for evil.

For anyone who doesn't want to see the horrible images: you don't have to. Please, steer away from them. That's why you won't see them on main-stream media in the Western world. As Rusty says, "not for the faint at heart"

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 04:29 PM

14 In the first video, I think it was surmised that these killings are taking place in a mosque.
One of the killers is no longer cutting off heads, he's a large wet messy bunch of crispy fried flesh.
They will fall.
This kind of killing did not start under Bush's administration. It's been happening to Americans beginning with Klinghoffer, going forward killing innocents in embassies, planes, barracks and nightclubs. Of course unless we have those that think this killing all started in the past because of one day Bush was going to be President.

Posted by: mshyde at September 22, 2004 04:30 PM


Posted by: baba booey at September 22, 2004 04:33 PM

16 Fallujah; meet MOAB.
MOAB; heat Fallujah.

Repeat as neccessary.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 22, 2004 04:33 PM

17 "Disgusted says:
the fact remains, we have only seen these beheadings under Bush."

These beheadings are done by the islamic checken muslim terrorists, too. Gonna blame that on Bush? I DON'T THINK SO. Man, if you don't know what you're talking about, DON'T TALK.


Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 22, 2004 04:40 PM

18 baba booey:
Many of the videos can be found here:
dubdubdub dot homelandsecurityus dot com/hostages.asp

Mshyde has an interesting theory that all terrorist activities throughout the ages were performed because one day a Bush would be in the White House. Humm...

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 04:43 PM

19 Where is the outrage????? Yes, the sympathy for the families is evident in the media and websites such as this, but where is the public demand for tracking down these killers by whatever means necessary. Should these bastards be caught, they need to be injected with huge doses of HIV and then videotaped for public view as they gradually die of AIDS

Posted by: D at September 22, 2004 04:44 PM

20 Ah, assuming they are sufficiently bound so that they cannot transmit the HIV to others. Would not a small cut of the jugular vein with a very dull knife be equally revengeful. An eye for an eye?

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 04:54 PM

21 I would use a spoon.

Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 05:07 PM

22 I am horrified that these people are still living. I wish I was as rich as Bill Gates right now. You can bet your ass my billions would be paying for black op guys to secrectly go in there and systematically kill ever male bastard that walked the streets, eventually they would run into these worthless pieces of shit. But I don't have that kind of money so instead I will never ever again go into any convenience/store/gas station that is run by this lower lifeform. I just know they are sending money back to all these bastards and using our money to support these animals. I hope everyone "bans" these places. Why should we give our money to help them live here so they can help these pigs sneak in here and survive. I just hope they have "no" business and lose everything they own here and go to hell back where they came from. It seems every store/gas station is run by them, what gives, are they taking over the one thing that can bring this country to it's knees. If they in one day decided not to sell gas, all of them in the USA,. we would have trouble getting gas.....think about it. Let's run them out now before they really get a strong hold on us. Hell maybe they already do and we just don't know it yet....till it's toooo late....

Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 05:34 PM

23 These terrorist are going to keep it up. They have nothing to lose but their lives (and they don't mind 'cause of the whole virgin thing) and just want to gain new recruits. I don't think the great majority of them are doing this "for Allah" anymore. Instead, I think these new recruits are probably young punks who see this as a chance to indulge in mayhem and murder with their faces covered. It's no big secret that there are cells in America. There has been for a couple of decades, at least. They have been bringing their war to our doorstep for years now and there are still a lot of people in America that continue to think diplomacy is the way to go with these parisites. What's it going to take to rouse them from their narcoleptic sleep?

Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 05:36 PM

24 It's probably too late. More so than gas stations, that they get our money from, there are those in the news media who would like to point out that your middle-income children, that's right, little Johnny, when he goes to the bad part of town with his friends to buy his drugs (I know: "Not MY Johnny"), that his hard-earned, or maybe silver spoon given money is going back to the terrorists. If that's true, they can fund alot more suicide bombings on selling Meth and Smack on the streets of the US than they make off the few pennies per gallon of gas that they make.

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:38 PM

25 Laundry Queen says:
They have nothing to lose but their lives
(and they don't mind 'cause of the whole virgin thing)

Yeah, and wouldn't we all like to arrange that orgy for them?

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:41 PM

26 DB I hope it's not to late!!! We have to start somewhere....

Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 05:41 PM

27 what's with this virgin thing anyway, they have raped every woman and child like that ooday and his asshole brothers...

Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 05:44 PM

28 Speaking of the whole virgin thing, I've always wondered: If the nasty-ass smelly terrorist men (I mean, they have to be: running around the desert with their underwear on their heads all day in the sun) get those virgins as a reward in Allah-land, what did those virgins do to deserve such a horrible fate?

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:44 PM

29 Ah mugwhibaby, your confusing the Rich Elite raping the poor because Daddy was God with terrorists. I don't think Ooday and Poopay wore masks over their heads. They killed people they didn't like by looking them straight in the back of the head!

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:48 PM

30 yeah DB your right but those bastards had school classes come to visit them and then they picked out which little girls they wanted to rape and videoed it those sick fucks.....

Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 05:52 PM

31 I just read on MSN news that a group claims they have killed the 2 Italian females. Maybe someone could verify this info and post a link? I'm a little new at this blog thing but heres a go:

Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 05:55 PM

32 So, if you were rich, you could pick your virgins off a platter. But if you are not rich in that country (do you think those hooded bastards are?), I guess you have to kill a bunch of non-Muslims and blow yourself up to get them in the afterlife? Just a different spin on the old "streets paved in Gold" promise of some other religions in the afterlife. Just depends on what you value the most (virgins, or Gold).

And since they have to be virgins, I guess they only get used once? Then what? Are they given to the Muslims that didn't get around to killing anyone when they were alive?

Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:57 PM

33 Yeah they are tossed out and called whores...

Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 06:00 PM

34 Tossed out is right. After that... they are buried up to their necks and stoned to death.

Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 06:05 PM

35 hey they have taken 2 journalists

Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 06:09 PM







Posted by: ARNOLD at September 22, 2004 07:26 PM

37 I think with every beheading that takes place, americans should be dropping tonnages of bomb, and eventaully destroying the nation..

Posted by: american rules at September 22, 2004 07:39 PM

38 Kerry Is Toast (Iowa Electronic Markets)

Posted by: J.D. at September 22, 2004 07:52 PM

39 i wish that one day yes this will all stop but what i really wish is that they same thing will happen to the all of them god bless his soul

- jupes
age 15

Posted by: jupes at September 22, 2004 07:53 PM

40 Can anyone tell me why no American fights or at least says something demeaning to these cowards just before the beheading? I think it's safe to say that if you are an American taken hostage in Iraq, you're a dead man. With that assumed, why don't we go down in flames. Hell, I'd fight, kick, claw, spit, roll, curse hoping I'd get an M-16 round in my face before I let some pussy with a pair of underwear cut my head off.

Quick memo to workers in the region: You assumed the risk, now go down fighting. Don't plead for your life. It only makes you and all other Americans look weak. I think these terrorist activities are grotesque, but the more I see these videos, I expect nothing else from these parasites. Fuck em', at least spit in there face.

Finally, can some network stop making these killings a headline. It glorifies and validates these desert pigmies.

Yes, I agree. BOMB al-Jazeera daily.
It's the terrorist network message delivery system. Fuck the civilians there. They shouldn't be there anyway.

Let's get Pissed off, not pissed on!!!

Posted by: whatsthedealwiththecheezyscreennames at September 22, 2004 07:54 PM

41 Whoa there need to get THAT way about it. What you said (in essence) is that all Muslims are bad. Oops, I mean that all Muslims are evil. Okay, let's rundown a few things, shall we.

Gee, I guess all Christians are bad as well. Why? Don't you know, the KKK were a "bunch of good christian boys just protecting what's theirs".

I'm for taking care of the enemy, but there are plenty of average, every day good people who just happen to be Muslim.

You, lighten up. Take a heavy sedative...hell with your racist attitude, take a whole damn bottle and chase it with a gallon of gasoline.

You know who you remind me of...those guys in Iraq and the M.E. who spend their time hating something they don't understand, and they hate it with a passion that could only be borne of ignorance.

And now I am sure that you'll go and pass yourself off and some God-fearing man with some sort of morality, or some kind of crap like that. I find it offensive that in the same post you are asking for God to bless him and him and him, yet you can spew that sewage out of your pie-hole and somehow be okay with it.

So in summation, we have discovered that you are indeed a racist evolutionary dead-end, who's kind we would have hoped would have died out with the neanderthal. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that you were probably a middle to upper middle class jerk with a penchant for cowardice and a huge case of self loathing. You have the right to your opinion, I'll grant you that, but I don't think that Freedom of Speech was intended by the Founding Fathers as the right for you to make a total Jackass of yourself, and in public while offending just about anyone with any sort of moral sensibility.

Posted by: Scott at September 22, 2004 07:59 PM

42 Please America do the whole world a favour and blow that fuckin country up......quickley and painfully.....and too the rest of the world take your heads out your asses you pack of pussies and pick a side.......... or its your head..

Posted by: Del Boy at September 22, 2004 08:26 PM

43 Solution is simple. Tracking implants. They are about he size of a Norplant. Go into the arm or leg. When they take a lock on the signal. Get the co-ordinates....send in the SEALs, Green Berets or the Goon Squad of your choice. Rescue the hostage...keep the fill rolling....then KILL THEM ALL by cutting them stem to sternum. Let there guts spill onto the floor while they die in

Then MOAB the building and all those around it. The neighbors know whats been happening. So take them out too.

After a while...they'll figure it out...but hundreds of terrorists will die first. Sure, there will be colateral damage...but this will make the non-terrorists flee town when the real terrorist move in....and that is a really nice indicator to home in on. MOAB has more explosive power then the H-Bomb dropped on Japan. But no radiation because it is a conventional explosive. Just a really BIG one.

As far as the beheadings being Bush's fault because he is at the wheel when it happens. How about blaming CLINTON for being asleep at the wheel while they planned and trained for 9/11 right here in the US! If you wanna Blame Bush for 9/11 you need a reality check! You wanna blame Bush for these need to stare into a mirror until you find one of the greatest problems with this country. It shouldn't take to long.


Posted by: DeadlyArcher at September 22, 2004 08:47 PM

44 I have an updated post on the two Italian women here.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 22, 2004 09:02 PM

45 If anything the basic reason why nobody fights is that they come from the western world, where they are trained to believe through television and the various medias that hostages are going to be let go in "exchange" for something.
Utter disbelief of their iminent death is what keeps them planted on their butts. They are conditioned to believe that they will not be mistreated by their captors when they are "arrested". That they will get their day to say something on their own behalf, or at the very least be allowed to defend their good names. But alas this is not the case everywhere else in this world.
Order is found by numerous means. For us democracy is our means of order, for others religious dictatorship can be theirs. Communist authority still resides in parts of the world and they have order as well...but keep in mind, even most of the civilised world still executes their prisoners; hanging, electrocution, lethal injection, beheading, etc. Saudi Arabia still practices torture and beheading as what they deem to be justified punishment. Not all those accused of a crime are guilty, yet there are still many who are executed that are innocent of the crimes they are accused of.
Plus when you stop mass executions then you are left with few alternatives. Corporal punishment and incarceration to name a couple. The USA has the highest incarceration rate of the entire world.
As a point, do not think that I am making a case for capital/corporal punishment or incarceration.
Nor would I condone the acts presented in these videos. I simply wish to present a little light on what is actually going on.
If any nation wishes to call itself civilised then it must firstly eliminate all forms of barbarism within its ranks. But at the same time I cannot eliminate the utter reality that violence is the ultimate form of power in the universe. Who can resist nature at its absolute worst.
A military friend once said to me: "Peace is wonderful, peace if fostered could be great for all mankind. That all people would work together and create a loving society free from greed and violence, could truly be greatness. But I can't help but imagine myself attacking them outright simply because they would never see it coming."

with Love,


Posted by: DLS at September 22, 2004 09:30 PM

46 Thank you Rusty, for helping us keep our eyes open.

Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 09:31 PM

47 These beheadings have been happening for years and years its only now in the light of what is happening (ie: they attack USA) do we stand up and acknowledge it. What about all the women who have been shot in the head in football stadiums because they betrayed their husbands, did we take note. A Russian officer shot in the back then beheaded by Chechyan forces, did we take note.

Only when they crap on our lawn do we stand up and take note. Is this ignorance.

I have watched these videos many a time and they disgust and give me nightmares, i cannot imagine what there families are going through.

But lets not blame all islams, it is a small minority of islamic extremists. Lets not forget the KKK and what they did/do in the name of Christianity. See its in your country.

Or what the BNP extremists do in the UK.

There are thousands of extremists out there but WE JUST DON'T TAKE NOTE.

Watch the videos open your eyes, do something but don't be ignorant.

Posted by: Adrian at September 22, 2004 10:14 PM

48 I am so sick of people blaming Bush for this. I think we'll all be royally screwed if Kerry is elected because he's a coward who will cater to every whim of these sadistic almost humans. You can't negotiate with terrorists. The second we do, they will see beheadings as a form of control and power and will be butchering innocents left and right. You have to remember that we are dealing with souless bastards that have no regard for human life. Remember, they asked for this when they flew our planes into the twin towers. Thank God Bush was in office and stood up in defense of America, unlike Clinton who just kept saying that the guilty parties of the Cole, embassy and World Trade Center would pay and just had a couple of SCUDS fired off and called it good. He was offered Bin Ladin and refused him because he didn't want to piss of the UN. Wow, what a great leader. Imagine if that sissy Gore was in office on 9/11!!! At least Bush is showing them what happens when you f*#$k with the good ol' US of A and isn't backing down because a few hippy liberals think it's wrong to go to war under any circumstance. Remember, freedom isn't free. My husband served in Iraq and I'm proud of him for doing so. You hippy liberals need to lay off the weed and actually think about the safety of your fellow Americans. If you don't like it, get out. Bush is going to be our president for 4 more years, so get used to it!

Posted by: Tammy at September 22, 2004 11:03 PM

49 I thought about watching this video. As it was buffering, I decided not to. I saw the Nick Burg video and I'm still haunted by it. Praises to Bush for doing everything possible for ridding the world of these disgusting so-called people. How can someone so nonchantly just chop off someone's head? You have to be without a soul, which I believe these people are. My heart goes out for the families. I do have to say that I wish he fought back. It's a given that they're going to butcher you once they have, so give it your all and go out fighting. I'd be yelling God Bless America!!!, then I'd reach up and tear off someone's nut sack.

Posted by: Tammy at September 22, 2004 11:11 PM

50 hey just wondering about the last 2 videos: obviously i am horrified, but: i notice some sounds towards the end of the decapitations which sound like pig/beast noises dubbed in. i have a good ear and i'm pretty sure the noises i mentioned are not authentic. so my question: did the terrorists dub it in, or did it happen somewhere else along the chain? its a bit weird, but i'm wondering if it is some sort of sick commentary or joke on the radicals' part, maybe equating the infidel with pigs or something? listen closely, i don't think the audio is all natural.
i'm sure i'll get alot of people thinking i'm callous/uncaring or whatever, but really i'm just a bit scientific by nature, and i am truly wondering if anyone else noticed this.

Posted by: jack at September 22, 2004 11:43 PM

51 It's empowering to think of these murdered innocents, going out in a blaze of glory, but it's more likely that these poor souls were probably so terrified they were paralized. Being unable to respond to the body's fight or flight response, knowing death is near, painful, and slow and hoping beyond all hope that the words spoken behind you were that of your release... I think... no, I know I would be frozen in fear. Hell, I freeze when I see a spider! So, it wouldn't really be unusual to see that type of fear reaction.

Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 11:50 PM

52 just a reminder: atrocities committed in the name of god/religion/philosophy have been going on since the beginnings of "civilization". in fact, religion is the basic building block of the thing we call society; later it was called "law". remember, these people have been shielded from advances/changes in culture for the last several hundred years: they weren't born watching TV broadcasts, international news, magazines, art, literature etc..... so when they are thrust into modernity, they act as what we would call savages- kinda like the indigenous americans vs. euro-settlers in the american west 150 years ago. ever hear of "scalping"?
keep an open mind. of course i condemn all this, but these people are simply ignorant and out of touch, not demons. well maybe demons. i'm an atheist so i don't know about these terms

peace out

Posted by: jack at September 22, 2004 11:59 PM

53 These beheadings have been happening for years and years its only now in the light of what is happening (ie: they attack USA) do we stand up and acknowledge it. What about all the women who have been shot in the head in football stadiums because they betrayed their husbands, did we take note. A Russian officer shot in the back then beheaded by Chechyan forces, did we take note.

Only when they crap on our lawn do we stand up and take note. Is this ignorance.

I have watched these videos many a time and they disgust and give me nightmares, i cannot imagine what there families are going through.

But lets not blame all islams, it is a small minority of islamic extremists. Lets not forget the KKK and what they did/do in the name of Christianity. See its in your country.

Or what the BNP extremists do in the UK.

There are thousands of extremists out there but WE JUST DON'T TAKE NOTE.

Watch the videos open your eyes, do something but don't be ignorant.

Posted by: Adrian at September 23, 2004 12:03 AM

54 hey i will pray for you and those that are lost

Posted by: skylar at September 23, 2004 12:06 AM

55 The Armstrong video is by far the most terrible to watch as he suffered much more but in the end death is death and they did nothing to deserve this ungodly horror.As far as pigs being dubbed over the end of the Armstrong video as Jack has asked i will say that yes it sounds like it but i believe it is not dubbed but a actual recording of sheer terror as the mind is registering death approaching.I have witnessed pigs beig slaughtered and the squeels sound just like it but i still believe the sounds were from Armstrong in sheer terror.If you have not watched the video try not to or you will learn what to scream bloody murder really means.No God could ever condone such evil and the people who can do such things are not human but diabolically insane and if there is a devil than he surely must reside inside their pitiful excuse for a mind.Death will find them too and my only hope it will find them soon.How can they look in a mirror and be happy with the image that looks back.Kill them God if you do exist.Kill them Marines for you do exist.Let go of the leash politicians as this is no time for restraint.

Posted by: ROODOG at September 23, 2004 12:43 AM

56 if they cant find these cowardley towel heads i say get all the women and childern and any man that doesnt support these scum heads and nuc the rest of them.

Posted by: the worm at September 23, 2004 01:03 AM

57 All I can say is that if the KKK came knocking on my door right now, and said they were no longer against blacks, but were now out to rid the world of the Islam Animals...I would join them IMMEDIATELY.
I support the War, and George Bush. But I think it is time to withdraw all troops, deport all Islamists back to Iraq. Give them 24 hours to turn over their leaders....and if they do not comply...drop a Nuclear Bomb on Baghdad.

Posted by: DR Stefan at September 23, 2004 01:45 AM

58 Has anyone noticed that both videos cut just as they take the knife to the throat? It looks to me like they are stopping tape and maybe killing them off tape(I only hope in a humain way), or maybe they put them to sleep and then start the tape and behead. You don't see any harsh movement in the body, the legs in particular as the terrorists take them to the ground. Sound is probably dubbed in.

Posted by: GS at September 23, 2004 01:59 AM

59 Former contr terrorist adviser, Clark said today that the 9/11 terrorists did not speak any English language while living in the US for months. Still they baught groceries and moved from state to state. Thus, he concluded they had local support from people who live in the States and know the lang. Who do you think assisted them?

Would Christians or Jews help them? I hear you. The chances are good that other Muslims living here helped them. So, when I hear on this board a call for revenge on all Muslims (like this Italian guy said), I tend to think that there is some merit to this even so I'm against any brutalities.


Posted by: adviser at September 23, 2004 02:20 AM

60 As a marine, i really wished we would have nuked them till they glow, and then when there glowing bright, shoot them in the dark.......after watching this video my time i served in Iraq was well worth it. I just wish i still had one in the chamber for each of them in the video.....I'm a marine, and that is my job. This video makes me want to go back to iraq, and get the job done.

Posted by: pfc at September 23, 2004 02:33 AM

61 My condolences to the entire world. It is sad to see that barbarism has not gone down since Ghenghis Khan. These guys are all the same. There is only one solution and that is a long term one...I do not believe a short term solution exists. Those who believe that by leaving these mad men alone the problem will be solved are mistaken. They will TERRORIZE like mad as they have been taught that since they were infants...Any person who is a non believer is to be killed..Pure shit, but they think that is the ultimate truth.
1) Capture the Country in question by using Military Might and have it run by a Multinational force
2) Imprison all the spreaders of violence and keep them there for good-you can try reforming them but I would think its a waste of time...
3) Round up all the children and provide proper education, health and other amneties and make sure they grow up like normal human beings.
4)Hand over the country back to it's nationals after 20 years.
5) Keep the spreaders of violence and terrorism locked up elsewhere for good.

Posted by: Danny at September 23, 2004 03:06 AM

62 And yet we are prosecuting our soldiers for alleged mistreatment of prisoners. If putting a dog leash on these Military Combatants is mistreatment, what exactly is the behaeading of INNOCENT civilians. These poor men have done nothing but go to work to rebuild a country that is full of animals and barbarians and yet they are being executed. I wonder how many more of these barbaric acts have to be committed before we can remove the kids gloves and start fucking those animals up.

Posted by: Dave at September 23, 2004 03:21 AM

63 We should pull all of our works out of this country and let them get on with the rebuilding of there country themselves, lets face it they have lived like animals for years, another few going to make no difference

Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 04:15 AM

64 Dave, the kidnapping, torture and killing of civillians is abhorrent and is carried out by people who have no respect for life never mind international law.

The U.S and Allied forces are obliged to treat all prisoners with due process before the law. Were it to abandon this process, then it would send the terrorists the message that teh west is as ruthless as they are. Removing the kids gloves, turnin the sand to glass, nuke those bastards, comments etc etc are reactionary and ignorant. The soldiers who carried out the degrading acts on the Iraqi detainees have done nothing but bring shame upon their respective armies. After all you wouldn't want to reduce yourself to their level or would you?

Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 04:31 AM

65 Dee, prior to Saddam's coming to power. Iraq was a thriving country where the inhabitants enjoyed a reasonable standard of living, where Jews Musluims and Christians co -existed. They were only impoverished by Saddam, a tyrant whom the U.S was quite happy to support while he waged his war against Iran. To refer to them as animals now is disgusting and clearly shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the situation at all. Please refrain from making further posts unless you have something worthwhile to say.

Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 04:41 AM

66 Just watched the video after looking at the pictures how these monsters can do that is beyond belief,it turned my stomach so much seeing what they did to that poor man,my heart goes out to his family and i hope they never ever come across that video and watch it.I live in Britain and hope the same dosent happen to the British hostage but i know it will.My sympathys go out to all the families who have lost loved one`s to these brutal monsters.

Posted by: d scott at September 23, 2004 04:51 AM

67 My thoughts are if the media would leave Bush alone and let him handle all these heathens,maybe we would see some of there top people beheaded. We are living in times that truly are scarey, but at the same time, we must all pull together and pray for a President who is not afraid to stand up to these terriost-Some have already forgotten 9-11- I'll never forget!! They took out almost 3,000 scared people in less than 2 hours. What was President Bush suppose to do- turn the other cheek. One of our problems is the media, every one wants to make a better story. Why won't they show some of the good our troops have done in Iraq? May God be with the Hensley family and all the others who have lost loved ones to these gutless , godless murderers-
I am so sorry for there grief and loss.


Posted by: Elaine at September 23, 2004 05:49 AM

68 islam is shit it's follower are shit

there is an islamic word: kafir
which means non-believer a disbeliever in God
and there is nothing worse than being called kafir to a muslim
all muslims are kafir
the only thing they care about is world domination and money
islam is a plague
it's time for the new crusades

and fuck cat stevens traitor piece of shit

Posted by: muslim hater at September 23, 2004 07:04 AM

69 Are you guys dense? When I said we only saw these beheadings under Bush, I was referring to the public beheadings that our families and even kids have to deal with in our own country. When did we have these public videos of beheadings that our country had to face and deal with concerning people of OUR country? Even tho they had these beheadings hundreds of years ago, unless Im GOD, I doubt I was around to watch them by just clicking twice on the internet. Morons. I dont remember having this issue under Clinton and Reagan, I dont remember being scared about my own people visiting Iraq cuz the next day I might see them wearing an orange jumpsuit calling for my help on national TV.

Posted by: Disgusted at September 23, 2004 07:18 AM

70 quote James (Dee, prior to Saddam's coming to power. Iraq was a thriving country where the inhabitants enjoyed a reasonable standard of living, where Jews Muslims and Christians co -existed. They were only impoverished by Saddam, a tyrant whom the U.S was quite happy to support while he waged his war against Iran. To refer to them as animals now is disgusting and clearly shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the situation at all. Please refrain from making further posts unless you have something worthwhile to say.)

Okay i might of been wrong calling them animals,but come on theres been trouble in Iraq for decades.
The twentieth-century history of Iraq has been a troubled one. Since its establishment by the British in the 1920s, the country has witnessed the rise and fall of successive regimes, culminating in the dictatorship of Saddam Husain.Look at Iraq’s political history the Ottoman empire, to the development of the state, its transformation from monarchy to republic and the rise of the Ba’th party and the ascendancy of Saddam Husain.Social conflict, of power struggles between rival clans, of hostility and wars with neighboring states, as well as of their aftermath, and Iraq’s deteriorating relations with the West.
Not forgetting how many times the British were dragged into Iraq to protect the oil fields over these years.
1968 July 17: Bakr and his followers overthrow president Abdul Rahman Arif. Bakr becomes the new president of Iraq. He soon came to cooperate closely with his second cousin, Saddam Hussein, in widening his power base in the officer corps.
As deputy to the ailing General Bakr, Saddam Hussein instituted widespread reforms and built up a ruthless security apparatus.
The two leaders' early moves caused concern in the West.
In 1972, at the height of the Cold War, Iraq signed a 15-year treaty with the Soviet Union.
It also nationalized the Iraqi Petroleum Company, which had been set up under British administration and was pumping cheap oil to the West.
Soaring oil revenues resulting from the 1973 oil crisis were invested in industry, education and health care, raising Iraq's standard of living to one of the highest in the Arab world.
In 1974, Kurds in the north funded by the US-backed Shah of Iran rebelled.
The conflict pushed Baghdad to the negotiating table, where Iraq agreed to share control of the disputed Shatt al-Arab waterway with Iran.
The Shah cut off the Kurds' funds and the Iraqi regime put down their uprising.
Saddam Hussein extended his grip on power, stationing relatives and allies in key government and business roles.
In 1978, membership of opposition parties became punishable by death.
The following year, Saddam Hussein forced General Bakr's resignation - officially due to ill health - and assumed the presidency.
He executed dozens of his rivals within days of taking power

Also not forgetting my 18 years son is now in Iraq serving with the British army so next time i don't know what i am talking about I'll take your advise and (refrain from making further posts unless i have something worthwhile to say.)

Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 07:28 AM

71 Dee. I did not mean to cause offence and I hope that your son makes a safe return. However I am fed up reading comments which suggest that the Iraqis/ Muslims are a sub-human race. Comments such as sand nxxgers, camel jockeys et al are noxious.

Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 07:40 AM

72 For example, the comment from Muslim hater. Clearly written by someone not even fit to live with neanderthals.

Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 07:43 AM

73 No offense taken i was in the wrong for calling them animal, i meant the Abu Musab al Zarqawi's al-Tawhid Wal Jihad terrorist organization.
I do understand there are alot of innocent people live there that probably want to see peace as much as we all do

Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 07:58 AM

74 You poor, deluded fools. These people are dying because they are somewhere they have no business being. Reading the comments here, many of you sound as crazy as the killers on the videos, and if the situation was reversed I'm inclined to believe you would be the ones doing the televised executions. Although not with knives or swords - you'd use guns, which are less dramatic but far more American.

You are all insane.

Posted by: Sandall at September 23, 2004 08:39 AM

75 At last, some sensible comment on here. I might put my foot in it now but please bear with me.

This suggestion that all muslims are evil, bad or even the same as each other is ridiculous. If I said all whites are christian, or all christians are catholic, or all catholics go to church regularly, you'd know instantly that I was talking out of my arse. So why do you think that saying all Muslims are "whatever" is valid?

These ridiculous generalisations are a complete waste of keyboard time.

You lot need to realise that the Muslims in question are EXTREMISTS. ie. they have particularly EXTREME viewpoints. And I think it's been fairly well explored in the public eye that their views do not reflect a strict adherence to the Qur'an (Koran) anyway. The guys that cut peoples heads off aren't going to get any virgins in heaven.

PLUS (and here's where you might start ignoring me) I have a feeling that whilst their means cannot be justified (murdering people is never a good thing, regardless of the method used, but this method makes me sick inside), their anger is genuine and needs to be considered.

Where did their anger come from? I see two possible sources: miseducation by manipulative elders, and in this case the perpetrators of these crimes might benefit from a demonstration by us (the Enemy in their eyes) of how their education was flawed. ie. don't drop down to their level. Get rid of all this "eye for an eye" shit and just step back (and that includes the occupying army in their country I guess)

The other source is anger at Allied attacks on their people. They've lost more innocent civilians overall. It might be 'justifiable' to us as some kind of consequence of 'war' but try seeing it from their point of view. They're pissed off and they have no chance of winning this fight so they've turned dirty. I can see WHY.

I can't agree with their actions, but I have some degree of sympathy for their position.

By the way, I don't actually see HOW the allied army could possibly pull out not without it being seen as a victory for the terrorists. So I guess we can't pull out, but I don't see a solution to the problem unless we do.

how fucked up is THAT!?

Posted by: Joe at September 23, 2004 08:57 AM

76 I love the idea of placing a tracking chip inside the contractors. Lo-jack to help trace terrorists! Also, fellow Americans, please watch other news besides CNN, Fox, MSNBC. These broadcasters are so freaking sanatized and slanted. They are more concerned with putting a stupid soundtrack and flashy graphics to acompany each story than they are with delivering a complete and accurate story. A couple weeks ago, when Russia had the terrorist hostage situation inside the schoolhouse that went horrible wrong. All mainstream media spent the first 15 minutes of their broadcasts rambling on and on about Bill Clintons cheeseburgered heart and his upcoming bypass. Then, they only gave the russian story (where 300 children and adults were killed mind you) a whopping 20seconds and told nothing about the story i.e. (the terrorists, who they are, where are they from, who leads them, what were their demands, what is believed to have gone wrong, etc, etc..)... But, I can now tell you that a bypass involves taking a large vein from the leg!
(Newsworld International tends to have some decent news feeds.) At least through them I got to find out that Chechnya is rapidly becoming a Islamic society and wants independence from russia. NWI ran a nice long piece (10+min) and gave a lot of background on whats going on over there. And, they seemed to pull it off without a soundtrack and fancy animated graphics! Gee, how do they do it.

Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 08:57 AM


Posted by: LP at September 23, 2004 09:09 AM

78 The Islamic barbarians in Iraq and other countries in that area believe they will go straight to paradise and 72 or so virgins if they sacrifice themselves to kill infidels. They also believe that pork is impure and any contact with it will result in a straight trip to hell. When are we going to start shooting them with bullets soaked in pig fat and burying them wrapped in pig hide?

Posted by: seadog at September 23, 2004 09:13 AM

79 The thought of 70 virgins awaiting these morons is almost comical. I mean c'mon. Have any of them ever stopped long enough to think that maybe the reason those women are still virgins is because during their time on earth, no one in the ENTIRE middle east would fuck them!

Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:36 AM

80 EDIT: The thought of 70 virgins awaiting these morons is almost comical. I mean c'mon. Have any of them ever stopped long enough to think that maybe the reason those women are still virgins is because during their time on earth, they were so ugly that no one in the ENTIRE middle east would fuck them!

Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:37 AM


Posted by: bob at September 23, 2004 10:01 AM

82 Yea very smart, nuke them all. Then they will release every biological weapon they have on us in retaliation. I dont think I want my future kids to have an arm growing on their heads. These people are crazy enough to behead an innocent civilian with their own bare hands, you really think they wouldnt have a plan B if we just nuked them? We kill, they kill, we nuke, they will be neverending! Morons.

Posted by: Disgusted at September 23, 2004 10:11 AM

83 These individuals belonging to this "islamic jihad" network are actually acting like brain-washed cult members. And this Abu Musab al Zarqawi's is nothing more than a serial killer cult leader. He needs to be wiped off the face of the earth ASAP.
I heard that coalition forces recently killed his "spiritual leader":
That's a great start!!!

Posted by: mike at September 23, 2004 11:12 AM

84 Why the f*ck are there still civilians in Iraq???
Let's get them the hell out of there.
THen let's get all foreign troops out of there and have Iraq solve there own issues!!!

Who wants this?

Posted by: Daan at September 23, 2004 11:32 AM

85 They are there to make the kind of money they cant make wherever they live for doing the same kinds of jobs, they get a LOT -and I stress a LOT- of tax free money (I know this because I knew someone considering doing this until his family talked him out of it right after the Paul Johnson incident)....they have compassion to help a country in need and they have a need to have the money to take care of their families, they see this as a way to help themselves. What I want to know easy is it for them to come back once they get over there?

Posted by: ShaniFaye at September 23, 2004 11:52 AM

86 For those looking for hard data to prove someone wrong about where Iraq received its weapons...

Weapons imported by Iraq, 1973-2002
Share of Sales by Country

USSR: 57%
France: 13%
China: 12%
Czechoslovakia: 7%
Poland: 4%
Brazil: 2%
Denmark: 1%
Egypt: 1%
Libya: 1%
Romania: 1%
United States: 1%

Source: SIPRI (Stockholm International Peach Research Institute)

Posted by: J.D. at September 23, 2004 12:00 PM

87 MIs condolencias para la familia, y les comento que no deberian mostrar los videos. Ya que es muy doloroso para los expectadores.

Posted by: Adolfo at September 23, 2004 12:06 PM

88 James wrote:

>Please refrain from making further posts unless you have something worthwhile to say.

How thoughtful of you to encourage stifling of FREE SPEECH on a PUBLIC bulletin board. You wouldn't happen to be for banning books as well, would you? I'm hoping your last name is not Goebbels or Kerry.

Posted by: J.D. at September 23, 2004 12:09 PM

89 Zarcowardly wants some female prisoners released. I think we should behead them in retaliation. Luckily they are being held by civilized people. However, I believe the day will come when the people of the "religion of peace" get to see what real terror is...break out the big weapons Bush!!! Before they do.

Posted by: Scott at September 23, 2004 12:41 PM

90 these people dont deserve to be killed like this by people whom we dont even knw who are.. but does 50-60 iraqi civilians that die .. what justifies their death after all it is us that are in their land

Posted by: matt at September 23, 2004 12:54 PM

91 Well we live in the modern world where war is not fought in trenches anymore. There is no advantage in ground war for these scum so they turn to all they have. I am not condoning it but i'm also not blaming Bush. We are fighting something we have never fought before.

We need individual security and weapons traiings for civies in Iraq. We need a nation united around a wartime president so our troops whom are demoralized from these beheadings dont have to be further upset by Kerry's ridicule of what they are doing. They risk their lives daily and Kerry is spewing negativity and lies about what needs to be accomplished.

The US cannot give in to demands and must remain strong. We who are computer hackers should try to locate the IP address of the scum that is posting this and help where we can. I have narrowed it down to 20 IP's so far. If anyone wants to helpme let me know.

Posted by: Andrew at September 23, 2004 01:07 PM

92 Allah is a pimp and Mohammed is a pediphile, murderer, and abuser of women. Soon we will have no alternative. If Islamic attacks continue, nuke Mecca and Medina and be done with it.

Posted by: FranceSux at September 23, 2004 01:08 PM

93 As SaniFaye has suggested, the reason civilians are in Iraq is one of the two reasons mentioned: big money, or the urge to help. I know, because I was in negotiations with a company to go there and help rebuild their Communications infrastructure. Big money was the initial lure, but the fear of living and working amounst a people that doesn't want me there was enough to scare me away from such a job. And this was before any of the recently publicized beheadings. The coalition wants to rebuild the country to show that it invaded it to make it better. If the coalition pulls out and leaves the country in dis-array, the rest of the world will condemn the coalition of not finishing the job, AGAIN. That's gonna costs lives, lots of lives.

It's still very ironic to me that these people who supposedly are fighting for their homeland will do anything in their power to insure that they continue to live in filth and squalor, in the dark ages. Maybe it's because they know, instintively, that they hate-breeding cannot survive in a country that has access to information other than what their "spiritual leaders" tell them is the truth.

I listened to my grandfather talk of the days on the farm when everyone looked forward to go to church because it was their only means of socialization: they got their news there. Of neighbors, of births and deaths, governments actions, the weather, everything that we take for granted now becuase it's a few clicks away. Imagine if the ONLY source of getting your information, from the day you were born, was from al-Zurqawi or Osama. The ONLY thing you were taught was that as a Muslim, all non-Muslims must be exterminated. What a sad world that is.

Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 01:23 PM

94 Islam states it is the summation of Judeo-Christian Tradition. Jews reject this because it does not recognize Jesus as a Mesiah, nor is Muhammad recognized at all. Christianity rejects the Muslim claim because Muslims consider Crhist a prophet in a long line with Jewish tradition or so the story is told. Islam cannot say to be a tradition of both traditions because they are not in accord.
Of these monotheistic traditions one may be correct, one was a gift to all mankind and one is false.
Question: Would God bless jihad?

Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 01:25 PM

95 Just a thought but maybe if we pull all construction works out and put our child molesters, certain murders and rapists to do these jobs

Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 01:25 PM

96 I truly believe Americans cannot even begin to understand the way of Zarqawi and others. We have not had the mental conditioning for that kind of hatred and cruelty.

It is very simple. We must stay in Iraq. Civilians need the good pay and it is good for the Iraqi people to see Americans not in uniform on their streets. What needs to be done is the Civilians need to convoy and movement and have very good weapons training. If you cant handle a weapon and the risk then dont take the job. Second , they should have a full time security force with them. Third, they need to live in barracks with soldiers not in expensive homes the standard Iraqi cant even afford.

Posted by: Andrew at September 23, 2004 01:46 PM

97 Quote: "What needs to be done is the Civilians need to convoy and movement and have very good weapons training. If you cant handle a weapon and the risk then dont take the job."

Andrew... these contractors are forbidden the carrying of weapons due to the fact that they are not there to fight and they have been forced to sign over their right to self protect themselves. If they shot someone, even in self defense, they could be tried for a warcrime. Especially since you know that those heathen people would deem the person who got shot an honorable member of society who was an active member of the mosque and who served his community, a husband and father who never threatened anyone and has nothing to do with this war.

Posted by: chris at September 23, 2004 02:02 PM

98 TO DB: Why do you think we should be better than them. We are better than them but they chose this path and should be payed in kind. Andrea is right. Retaliation is the only thing they understand. God bless the families of the victims.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2004 02:02 PM

99 I may be one of those hippy liberals you all speak of with such disgust. Let me assure you that these videos and acts of terror have the same effect on me as you. I think the perpetrators should be slowly tortured to death; I don't think ALL muslims should be. I think terrorist cells should be destroyed pre-emptively; not nations. I agree (strangely) with Pat Buchanon, who has a very pragmatic idea for the war on terror (even HE thinks Bush has made a mess of things). Tell every country, "from this day forward, if we find evidence of terrorist cells/activity in your country, we are coming in to destroy them. Further, if we don't feel like you're doing your best to expose these psychos we will level sanctions against you." It's pretty clear to see that VERY quickly countries would get the idea that it is in their best interest to root out terrorism within their borders, because otherwise we would be destroying their county and crippling them economically. My 2 cents there...
Don't really understand the outrage at Kerry at all these sites. I'm not a huge fan of his, but let's do a compare and contrast:
1. Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam; Bush went AWOL from the reserve.
2. Some THINK Kerry lied about subtleties of a firefight on the swiftboat; yet we KNOW Bush lied about the state of WMDs in Iraq. Don't really know why Americans (not singling out conservatives or liberals) aren't outraged more by this. Christ, we watched the Starr Commission search for months (was it years) for something to nab Clinton on. Whitewater didn't pan out; all they had was a blowjob in the WhiteHouse. How many people died for that blowjob? How many countries did we alienate? Yes, he lied under oath ("I did not have sex with that woman"). I'd like to hear from ANY of you that you would have told the truth in that situation (if your WIFE didn't even know about your infidelity). It is LUDICROUS to compare Clinton's lie and the Bush administration lie, period.
3. Bush is not conservative! Hasn't vetoed a single spending bill, and offers tax cuts when the country is in debt; NOT conservative...
4. Kerry is weak - he was in NAM, that's good enough for me.
5. Kerry flip flops - I flip flopped as well. When Bush said we need to invade Iraq because they had WMDs, I (hippy liberal) actuall DEFENDED that action. I almost had to turn in my hippy ID card! Now, nothing's been found; no WMDs, no links to Al Quaida (sp?), nothing. You see, Kerry and myself were foolish enough to think that the Bush administration was being candid/honest with us. Now that we know it wasn't, please don't mind if we re-examine the correctness of the Iraq invasion. Man, if a mind can't change that's a good indication that it just don't work no more...

All Americans agree on this: terrorists must be wiped out pro-actively. The Bill of rights cannot be thrown in the toilet (Asscroft), or we ain't a 'Free' country. The UN is useless. Would be better if the candidates stressed what we have in common rather than what we all disagree on. If you can take one blessing from 9/11, it was that in the days/weeks/months following that event I felt like America was truly united. Republicans/Democrats/Independents/Greens - it didn't matter; we were all just 'american'. It felt good, I think the fight ahead demands we return to that...

my (more than) 2 cents. Apologies for the long-windedness of my post. God Bless America

Posted by: Leo at September 23, 2004 02:09 PM

100 1) "Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam"--not true, Kerry sought a military differment to leave the country and do graduate work in Europe. He was denied. After his denial, he joined, get this, the Naval Reserve. After his Reserve Unit was activated, he volunteered for Swift Boat duty because Swift Boats were only patrolling the coasts in Vietnam and not seeing action. After Swift Boats began to be deployed to the interior waterways of Vietnam, John Kerry reported minor wounds, one of them not from enemy fire, to get Purple Hearts. In Vietnam, as opposed to other wars, 3 Purple Hearts meant you could leave your Tour of Duty. John Kerry then was transferred out of Vietnam after serving the shortest Tour of Duty in the regiment. When Kerry returned home, he accused his fellow Vets of War Crimes, as an active member of the military met with the North Vietnamese enemy to try to privately negotiate a settlement, then he publicly renounced his service in Vietnam by "giving back his medals" (later, it was found out that he had only pretended to throw them back--ie, the medals he threw away in a publicity stunt weren't really his).

Bush did not go AWOL, this is just left-wing rubbish.

2. "Kerry is weak" -this has nothing to do with him being in Nam, it has to do with the fact that Kerry was a leader in the nuclear freeze movement, is opposed to the death penalty. opposed Star Wars, opposed the Stealth Figther and Bomber, etc. Kerry is a liberal, there is no doubt about that. He is not a Clintonian Southern Democrat, who supports defense. He has opposed all uses of the US Military until the Second Gulf War, which he supported--and then opposed, sort of.

3. Bush is not conservative--Balanced budgets have been advocated by both parties for the better part of 30 years. Non sequitor

4) Some THINK Kerry lied about subtleties of a firefight on the
swiftboat-- I am agnostic on the subject. Obviously, you do not know the difference between a "lie" and having faulty information. John Kerry had the same information that Bush had--oh, wait, John Kerry WOULD HAVE had the same info. as Bush had if he had bothered to show up for his classified intelligence briefing which he did not. That is a matter of record.

5)"Kerry flip flops"--Only because he does. Bush gave multiple reasons for going into Iraq, one of which was stressed by the media. IE, WMD.

Despite your saying you are not a big John Kerry supporter, I can see why. You must find John Kerry too right-wing, probably more of a Howard Dean supporter. And America was united until the left-wingers began to read irrational and dubious motivation into the war in Iraq and began to compare Ashcroft to Hitler and such.

PS-Greens have never been part of mainstream America and have always had a disdain for American nationalism.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 02:32 PM

101 Good points Rusty. A couple counters:

1. The fact remains: Kerry was over their (Vietnam) getting shot at, Bush was not (no one has explained why). What did happen with Bush? I really would like to know...

2. If balanced budget is so important, can you explain to me why it is now so unbalanced, though Clinton left the current administration with surplus?

3. Kerry as leader of nuclear freeze movement: isn't that a good thing?

4. Lie vs. Faulty Information - I don't see this as an excuse in the least. I don't blame Bush as much as the neo-conservatives behind his administration working through him. Anyway, it's pretty obvious he/they are decieving us on purpose. They looked and they looked for concrete links between Al Quaida (our real enemy, lest we forget, the ones that killed all of those people here in the USA) and Iraq, but didn't find any! Bush's own commission substantiates this. What to do what to do. Here's an idea: we'll tell the american people that Saddam has WMDs. Then EVERYONE will support a pre-emptive invasion! Brilliant! It's really all so obvious I don't know how you guys have such a rosy picture of el prez.
But hey, what's done is done. We ARE in Iraq, and cannot leave now. I don't blame Bush for 9/11, and I supported going into Iraq based on the crap he told us (whether he believed it or not is irrelevant) during his State of the Union. Have no idea how ANY president is going to handle this going forward. Now if you excuse me, I have a love-in to attend... :)

Posted by: leo at September 23, 2004 03:15 PM

102 This is ?
Do it like Hiroshima and this criminal and
sicknes of the islam will be gone ?
This is not Islam this is sick ,crazy matherfuckers..................................
we need kill them over there ,do not give chance
to make them to live this islamic call mudgahedin.

Posted by: Sean at September 23, 2004 03:23 PM

103 Greyrooster: I too believe retaliation is needed. But we can't find the specific bastards. I just don't believe in the total annihilation of all Muslims. That would be like killing all Christians because the KKK claim to be Christian.

To Chris about civilians carrying weapons to protect themselves in Iraq: what good is a sidearm to protect you against RPGs and car bombings? Not sufficient protection, I think.

As for Leo's rants: we each believe the lies we want to believe. Personally, I don't care one iota about the American Presidential candidates Vietnam record. (I believe Kerry's campaign thinks they're running against Richard Nixon.) I don't believe a candidates military service qualifies anyone as presidential material. Unless the candidate was a General, with the associated LEADERSHIP qualities that being a General might indicate, just being a foot-soldier in the military, whether voluntary or not, proves to me no leadership capabilities. Sorry to all you ex-military out there, but taking orders from a CO does not mean you're qualified to be commander-in-chief. I doubt seriously that Bush, and any other president in the past 40 years, has been doing the strategic battlefield deployment planning in any struggle: he has hired guns to make those decisions for him. To me, Kerry and Bush are equally incompetent to lead troops into battle. But that's not the job that we pay them to do.

To all: this whole mentality of "No WMD were found, therefore Saddam was innocent" is bull. If Bush lead you to believe that's the only reason he invaded Iraq, you weren't paying attention. Was it an emotional ploy to get Congress' approval for going in? You bettya. It worked great, didn't it? I missed the certified independant report though that convinced everyone that Bush made this stuff up though. I'm sure one of you can point me to it. Bad Intel? I can believe that. But Bush lying just to dump a bunch of missles on Iraq, where did that story break?

Now here's where I'll piss you all off: Removing Saddam was a good thing based on his treatment of his own people. But, BUT, was he the only dictator in the world worthy of our military might? Hell no. There are others. But just cause there are others, and no other President before Bush wanted to take them on, doesn't mean taking this one on was the "wrong" thing to do. And no, before you jump all over me, I do not think that the "humanitarian condition" of innocent Iraqi's was the reason Bush went to war. It justifies the effort to me, though.

Someone earlier said that we didn't stand up and take notice until the terrorists hit our soil. Damn right. Look at the wimpy Presidents we had in office. I liked Clinton. I thought it was great that there was nothing more newsworthy than his blowjobs: it gave us in the USA the false sense that nothing "bad" was happening in the world. But most recent presidential terms under democrats have been that way. Anyone in the USA ever notice that foreign policy is all hugs-and-kisses under democrats? Then we put a republican in the office when we get sick of the non-handling of our poor domestic affairs, and our attention turns to some poor bully whose poisoning or bombing his own people on the other side of the world. The democratic "head in the sand" tricks make you all feel good, feel safe, but terrorists don't go away just because american attention turns inwards for 4 years. It sure didn't while Clinton passed up on chances to have un-manned drones take out Osama Bin Ladden cause he was "worried about re-election", even though Osama was known to be the source for previous terrorist attacks against American interests that killed many Americans.

So we're all faced with picking one jackass or the other. One represents ignoring problems in hopes they go away. The other platform rejects ignorance as a tolerable stance and attempts to do something about it: right or wrong. Bush and Kerry have as their least common denominator the fact that they are both politicians. We all know what politicians are trained to do best: LIE. Isn't that the definition of a politician? Pick your poison, pick your lier.

When I used to tell my dad I was afraid I couldn't do something as a kid: "You'll never know if you don't try". If you are the parent or relative of someone serving in the USA military right now, tell me that they didn't VOLUNTEER to serve their country because they wanted to try, try to make a difference.

And to think, when I started reading this blog, I was on the fence between Kerry and Bush. I was thinking that maybe it would be good to see nothing on the news except for President Kerry's infidelities, and his wife's affair with the tennis instructor. Damn the rest of the world: let them sort their own troubles out. But after posts like LEO's I realize just how foolish I had become. Thanks to all you Kerry "extremists" for waking me up.

Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 03:49 PM

104 Leo,
I feel it is a bad idea to elect a president who wants other nations to take over what we have begun. Ya Mr. Kerry, lets call the French in and see if they can train us. BAH !!

I would rather have a president who is commited to resolving the war and maybe fixing mistakes his ex-intelligence officer gave him than have a 70 peace movement hippy running our government.

Posted by: Andrew at September 23, 2004 04:11 PM

105 Admittedly, I'm not a good writer. My previous attempts to explain the "WMD's weren't found: war is a farce" may make no sense to you all. I found an article by Andrew C McCarthy over at nationalreview dot com that more concisely hits home:

"For starters, having a just war against militant Islam means there must be some clear, comprehensible nexus between the operations of militant Islam and the opening of any front in the war. Afghanistan was an easy case — so manifest no effort was required to make it: The al Qaeda network orchestrated the 9/11 attacks (as well as others) and Afghanistan was where al Qaeda was given safe harbor. Q.E.D.

Iraq, on the other hand, was a tough case — as the cases against the worst bad guys usually are. Senator Kerry's "diversion" argument is wrong because there was a rich connection between Saddam Hussein's heinous regime and militant Islam — which fully explains why al Qaeda and its affiliated groups were in such a superb position to align with their Baathist confederates and spearhead the vigorous resistance still confronting our forces."

Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 04:46 PM

106 It seems to me, now, that we're all forgetting (myself included) that the war against terror is a war against TERRORISTS, not specifically Al Qaeda. When Bush declared war against terror, it was against terrorists located anywhwere, US or elsewhere. Saddam gave safe harbor to terrorists, even if he wasn't involved in their operations. I believe Bush once said that our war on terror would include those countries who harbor terrorists. Remember that this war isn't against a geographical entity, not against a country, but rather a type of person that lives in most all countries. This was a radical thing to do, declaring war on peoples that extend around the globe, and it's a hard thing to wrap your head around because of all the pre-existing notions we all have about the concept of "war", with lines drawn in the sand that one cannot cross. I think this has much to do with the confusion.

If you don't support this war against terror, and feel offended because el Pres didn't ask for you support personally, that's your choice. But much of the rest of the USA is going to support it nonetheless as they feel it's got to be done, for the long term, to prevent militant extremists from achieving their ultimate goal. Man, if that's not defending your country against evil, I don't know what is.

Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 04:55 PM

107 DB: you were never on the fence between Kerry/Bush. Everyone in these 'blogs' is beyond being reasoned out of their stance (me included).

What is interesting is that we generally agree or are misunderstanding each other (given your post);

I didn't say that military service made someone a better leader; I violently agree with your entire first paragraph! Bush is the one who brought up the military service records. The record comparison seeks to gauge the integrity of the individuals; as I said, Kerry was in Nam, Bush was (fill in the blank)?

To say "no WMDs were found so Saddam is innocent" is ludicrous, and I violently agree again. However, no independent study on Bush making stuff up is needed; WE FOUND NOTHING. Unfortunate, but true nevertheless...

your 'this is where I'll piss everyone off' paragraph does no such thing. The paragraph is an extended statement of the obvious. However, you take a (large) leap from fighting terrorists (avenging/preventing 9/11)', to "now we're going to go around the world saving people from bully dictators" Hey, it's a noble idea, and I'll even give Bush the benefit of the doubt and assume that were horrible atrocities going on somewhere in, say, Africa, he would have done the same thing (!), but this noble idea is really not the task at hand (which is destroying terrorism). Who the hell honestly thinks Saddam was a good guy? We agree.

And for the record: do you guys watch the news? Clinton was 'this' close to peace in the middle east (remember the amazing shot of Rabin and Arafat shaking hands?). Are you also aware that Clinton made terrorism a priority (spent WAY more time on it then Bush did pre- 9/11) and that Rumsfeld was in the process of dismantling the military whey 9/11 occurred?

Andrew: I'll take the French ponying up some bodies to save americans any day of the year! Don't you guys all hate the french?

Posted by: leo at September 23, 2004 05:01 PM

108 Leo, Military records are a guage of integrity? The sniper who was taking civilians out from 300 yards in front of Home Depots on the US East Coast last year was a trained military sniper. I hardly think that just because Kerry was physically in NAM is any guage of his integrity. We just see that one differently.

On WMDs and Saddam's innocence, I incorrectly implied that you inferred he was. Sorry, been reading through alot of these posts and have read some (from others, apparently) who drew that correlation, so I must have lumped you in with the rest who think that because we didn't find WMDs, we had no justification to invade Iraq (because I assume they have decided that's where the line is drawn: WMD's - OK to invade, NO WMDs - Poor innocent country we invaded.

No, we all know Bush won't invade an African country to overthrow a bully dictator: there's no political agenda there to satisfy. The West has been hell-bent on establishing a viable democracy in the Arab world since the establishment of Israel. Yeah, we've all seen how well that one has gone, haven't we.

And no, I'm not familiar with the "priority" that Clinton made of terrorism. Guess I missed that one. I've only been familiar with his failures, which in hind-sight, cost the US 3000 lives: the one event that woke a sleeping giant. And if Rumsfeld was dismantling the military on 9/11, wouldn't that seem to contractict the opinions of some on these posts that Bush was wanting to invade Iraq (for Daddy's sake) since the day he took office? Why would he be downsizing the military if his intention was to jump back into the lion's den?

And I suppose there are those conspiracy theorists out there that would probably be saying that the Republicans paid Osama to commit the attrocities on 9/11 to turn congressional spending around on the military. Now, THAT, would be a scandal that would make us all forget about Monica Lewinsky!

Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 05:39 PM

109 Leo,

Being in Nam 4 months does not a president make. If it did we would be saying this about President McCain. He would have taken Gore last election not Bush.

It would not be the French putting bodies in it would be them taking an active role in training. It would be them taking part in the countries income and democracy. Ya, lets let them... they have been very helpfull. They have voted against us in every action at the U.N since Sept 11th. And you think it would be nice to have this help from them. BAH

Posted by: Andrew at September 23, 2004 06:14 PM

110 Why don't those spinless bastards lay their arm's down and fight without something in their hands?? Chicken Shit Bastards.....real tough, 5 against 1!! Pricks!!

Posted by: DD at September 23, 2004 06:25 PM

111 I think the U.S. should pass a new torture law and use it against those fucking idiotic cowardly sand niggers when we catch them. I would be the first in line to slowly torture those punk ass fucking abduha, retarded lame ass name, cowards up! Nuke them to fucking hell.

Posted by: dog at September 23, 2004 06:46 PM

112 look up 'Scott Tompson'. He was released by this same group. Same with another Canadian. They'll probably release the British Guy too.. "AL-Qaeda" and various fundamentalist Iraq factions want to create a rift between EU and America.. basically they're trying to incite world Islam against the USA.. you invading Iraq is playing directly into their hands.

Posted by: ANSAR AL ISLAM at September 23, 2004 07:41 PM

113 we must assume that the US civilian/military personnel in iraq are aware of what happens to these hostages EVERY time one of them is kidnapped. so i appeal to all of them FIGHT!! i understand their hands are bound are probably run through mock executions so these beasts can maintain the element of surprise. but just once i would like to see one of the good guys kick one of these fuckers square in the balls, if nothing else than to send the message that we will not go away, and that the terrorists will and cannot win, and in response to the MOAB idea, maybe the DOD should reconsider

God Bless all who seek freedom for those without access to it

Posted by: eric (swede78) at September 23, 2004 07:45 PM

114 "so i appeal to all of them FIGHT!! i understand their hands are bound are probably run through mock executions so these beasts can maintain the element of surprise. but just once i would like to see one of the good guys kick one of these fuckers square in the balls, if nothing else than to send the message that we will not go away"



Posted by: IMGONNAKNOCKYOUOUT at September 23, 2004 09:53 PM

115 Man, these videos are making me ill psychologically. Is anyone suffering from the images? I couldnt watch the jack hensley one, I had to stop. The Eugene video was too horrible. Its kinda hard to Hold your child and say "go to school and learn. You have a wonderful life ahead of you" knowing different. I pray to GOD we see an end to this soon. I am a registered republican and I hope BUSH is not waiting to do something so he can secure his win. He already has my vote.

Posted by: Hannibal at September 24, 2004 01:14 AM

116 Ok first off those are not pig noises being made by those being beheaded, that sound is coming from a severed windpipe. The severed muscles around the windpipe contract. The victim does not die immediately, the sound you here is air rushing out of a severed constricted wet (blood) windpipe. Try this...blow up a balloon(lung) wet the end of the balloon and stretch the opening causing a constriction and slowly open until the air(making a pig sound) comes out. Sorry to be so graphic but I hate when people try to minimize this or make it more palatable by saying the victim was already dead.

And Muslims... Islam was founded by a child molesting pig fucker. The muslim of today is the spawn of this pig and satan. They have proven for thousands of years that they WILL not CAN not live in peace with ANYONE! They all need to be wiped from the face of this earth, and dont give me the lame ass excuse of oh look at the KKK and their beliefs on christianity. No comparison! Islam IS murder Islam IS death and bloodshed. Islam is the product of the union between a pig and satan. Those 2 Iraqi women should be raped by two swine on tape be forced to eat their feces then fed to wild boars. Post the tape on the net.

Posted by: Patriot at September 24, 2004 02:52 AM

117 I am truley against all killing of any one, but I have a question, who started all of this, I am glad that Saddam is gone but what did Iraq do to deserve all of this, until now, we were suppose to destroy Saddam and his arsenal of masdestruction weappons, but I think Bush thinks that The Iraqi People are the weappons that Sadam is having, let us stop this endless war, we all are hurting when we see blood from both sides... STOP STOP STOP,, GO HOME to your families, End the Conflect let the Iraqis have a peacefull life........ we dont need to see other American dead or murdered in this ugly and groosom way. may God be with his family and freinds....

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Posted by: DAVID at September 24, 2004 07:19 AM

120 Just to let all of you know. As a U.S. Marine who was in the war and seen some pretty gruesome stuff. This is the worst. I feel obligated to watch these videos as should all americans. All americans should force themselves to watch these videos of their fellow americans getting tortured to death. Why? because watching them makes one realize what we have to protect here. HOME! OUR CHILDREN! The one thing I dont understand is why we are not going house to house and looking for these so called "men"? Yea, we would lose a lot of american military men and women but isnt that what we are there for? To fight the evil doers? When was the last real offensive? I'm not talking about these so-called precision air strikes either, I'm talking about sending 10,000 troops on a terrorist / insurgents hunt. MAN TO MAN! If one of these idiots gets into your neighborhood what will happen? Remember though, I was over there and honestly 50% of the Iraqis were happy that we were there. R/S, The Gunny

Posted by: U.S. Marine at September 24, 2004 07:24 AM

121 very bad i wish i did not watch it now BARSTERDS!¬!"!!!!!!q!!

Posted by: lee munns at September 24, 2004 07:25 AM

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Posted by: OneTwoThree at September 24, 2004 09:23 AM

123 Just to correct the US Marine. I met a friend a month ago who's just come from Iraq said there's not even 1% of Iraqis who support the Occupation of Americans. American troops have already embarked on far worse than the disgusting footage we saw here on Iraqi civilians.

What amazes me is that there are still Americans back home who believe that the war was launched to eradicate terrorists and not purely for Oil!

You ought to watch Michael Moore's film to understand the whole propoganda.

Posted by: OneTwoThree at September 24, 2004 09:35 AM

124 For the person or idiot citing Mike Moores film, he would be better servered using the move Indenpendence Day as source of information. They both have the same amount of truthful infromation. Fighting the terrorists anywhere but here is what we are doing. Fight them and kill them anywhere but here. If not we will have to fight them in a school as the Russians found out.
The only way to defeat a person who believes they are fighting for GOD is to get them to GOD quickly. Stop blaming America for the bad things that happen to us. We did nothing to start this war, but most certainly will finish it.

Posted by: John at September 24, 2004 11:05 AM

Why dont the Islamic people speak up.
Or do they all go along with this beheading?

Posted by: Irene at September 24, 2004 12:26 PM

126 the moslime peopel or de most horrible peopel dat is in de world en i hope dat de time his come dat whe does the same thing!!! this video mast go in de world round!

Posted by: leo at September 24, 2004 12:58 PM

127 I disagree with the Marine requesting that every American should watch this killings. As a trained marine, you have the fortitude to stand it much better than most soccer-moms. I believe all Americans should have ACCESS to the videos, and I sure would like everyone to see them for the reasons you state, but when people are talking about being psychologically ill after watching it, I don't think that watching the others is a good idea.

I was very disturbed after my first viewing of a beheading too. I didn't think I could watch another, but I did. Nightmares haven't occurred yet: I was afraid they would. But I'm dealing with it, with anger and disgust and resentment for those responsible (the terrorists, not Bush). They show these videos in the Muslim world and they rejoice. Ironically, the same presentations to me, and many others from what I gather on this blog, is that we're willing to risk more to bring an end to these animals.

Anyone who can behead two women hostages who were in Iraq BEFORE the war, working to lift UN sanctions and bring a better life to the Muslims in that country, all in the name of their Quran, obviously doesn't see the irony of what they're doing, and the negative results this is going to bring against their cause.

Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 01:45 PM

128 Hey all, you guys want to help a brotha out??

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:29 PM

129 I don't even know where to start. I have not watched any of the beheadings until now. And now I am being plagued daily with images popping up in my mind of these men being senselessly killed in the name of Alah and any other reason they can come up with. The one consistent thing I have noticed with each killing is that none of the killers want their victims to look at them. In the cases of Jack Hensley and Armstrong, the veils they are wearing over their eyes come off, and you can clearly see the fear in their eyes as they look at their killers cutting their heads off...but these cowards quickly cover up their eyes again, they cannot stand to look at them while they kill them. Wouldn't it stand to reason that if you are going to stand there and proclaim in the name of your God, that these are infidels and that they deserve to die for their sins, that you would want them to watch you and you watch them? But no, I think these people know that they are not killing their true enemies, that these people are mere puppets in a holy war against our government, a government that is not going to release a few high profile people from prison to save a few civilians.
I really don't know much about these people, their religion and their convictions. But I a pretty damn sure of one thing...there is not a God anywhere that will condone the senseless killing of innocent people. Why don't these cowards go out and fight on the front lines, to take on who they really want to hurt, not hide behind masks and videos of helpless bound prisoners. I'm sure that they believe that if they participate in one of these killings that they will be saved and glorified by their God.
I have an idea. Why doesn't the government take every person that enters into the country of Iraq, whether civilian or military and tag them with a GPU chip, which would be under the skin somewhere on the body. (They are already proposing this on children here in the states). If they did this to all visiting civilian and military personnel, then they could track them down, right to the exact position of these fucking assholes. Then we should go in a make Abu Musab al Zarqawi tape himself beheading all of his henchmen and then we can imprison him in general population at a local prison and let the locals have there way with him.
I have one theory that is helping me sleep at night, with regards to the beheaded. I do believe that they are drugged. I feel that if they did have their complete wits about them, that regardless of any threats that their captures may make to them, if they do yell out during their speech…they would yell out and plead or send a message of love to their families regardless…what do they have to loose, they are already going to loose their lives. That’s my theory, and it helps me to know that they may be suffering during their execution, but not by much….I sure as hell hope.

Posted by: Kirk at September 24, 2004 03:38 PM

130 I must admit, I am disgusted. But I take comfort in that fact that God will get revenge on these guys, whether in this life or in eternity. The bottom line is if these guys are not believers in Jesus Christ, they are going to spend all of eternity in the Lake of Fire in constant agony forever and ever and ever, and there will be weeping and knashing of teeth as our Jesus Christ says. God is a gracious God, but these guys are not gracious to others, so God will have to torment them, and there penalty is an eternal one.

Posted by: Noah Schmidt at September 24, 2004 03:52 PM

131 Where and when will the killings stop in the name of religion?

Posted by: Gazea at September 24, 2004 03:56 PM

132 It breaks my heart and infuriates me to see what these "things" are doing to innocent people. To them, a dog, is something they hate to be called. Well, I think they are worse than dogs. I think they are very much like roaches. They hide, only coming out to do their disgusting deeds and then scurry back under their rocks and hide like cowards.
We must remember though that these monsters do not represent the Muslim people. They do not represent all of the Iraqi people either. They are a breed of something too disgusting to mention. As Americans we would not want other countries thinking that we are all like Charles Mansion. Hitler did not represent all Germans. It bothers me that Andrea posted a comment stating that we should kill all Muslims we see walking the streets. That is horrible and it would not make a difference. Those terrorists do not care one thing about human life. They prove that by what they do.
Zarquawi needs to be caught and photographed naked (since they are horrified of that) and then beheaded and the video should be shown worldwide.
We must be careful to put the blame where it belongs...on the terrorists...not the innocent people who came to this country to get away from monsters like that.

Posted by: Robin at September 24, 2004 04:03 PM

133 Just a few general notes regarding virtually all postings on this page.

Only 2% of any population of people are born with a mental illness that will make them capable of feeling no-emotion when hurting another human being. This disease is commonly known as psychopathy (though this term is probably being phased out). You see, all human beings are born with an innate sense of empathy that culture has a difficult time overcoming. It turns out that NO-ONE likes to hurt another human being without cause, and it just so happens that their is generally a steep psychological cost for harming someone even with motive. This is even true of soilders. In a US Army study during WWII less than half of front line fighters actually fired their weapons. Don't believe me; refer to David Grossman's (Westpoint professor of psychology, career Army man) book "On Killing." The army found that through better training techniques the number of men firing their rifles surpased 50 percent during the Korean war; in the Vietnam conflict over 70%. True to the idea that only a sickly 2% of people can kill without psychological harm, each of these wars saw a progressively higher, and quite problematic incidence of with post traumatic stress disorder among psychologically normal veterens.

My sub-point is, religion when tweaked certain ways may lesson the guilt of killing, but it does not create killers because it takes so much and is so costly to kill another human. What does inspire systematic murder is a population with a strong community fiber that endures grievences, or a military that is classically conditioned (like ours) to kill.

Now, consider the following from the Washington Post:

"There has been terrorism in the world, more or less nonstop, since 12th
century Syria, when a persecuted Persian religious sect called the
Assassins knifed people to death in crowds. Terrorism has persisted
bedcdause terrorism works. It makes people crazy. It is a cost-effective
method of waging psychological war by those who see themselves outnumbered
or disenfranchised.
A disenfranchised minority cannot sack Rome, conquer Nanking, burn Atlanta
or firebomb Dresden. These acts are terror attacks by nations, military
sieges with the primary goal of sowing despair among the enemy and
weakening their goal to resist. A disenfranchised people- wheather
Palestinians in the Middle East, or Catholics in Northern Ireland, or
Islamic zealots who see the spread of Western culture as an assult on
their religion- will use the means at their disposal. Amoral though it
may be, terrorism succeeds in focusing attention on whatever cause its
practitioners espouse."

Consider the implications of "use whatever means at their disposal." These men chose barbaric means because they were at their disposal and effective in gathering attention. This is a war, I'm sure they would've chosen a MOAB like so many on this page seem to favor, if they were so disposed. A captured terrorist in the movie the "Battle of Algiers" puts it nicely when asked by a military tribunal how he can live with himself for planning bombings of cafes, using women who carry bombs in wicker baskets "Ahhhh. I'm very sorry to have offended your people with the manner in which my resistence movement attacked. We can make a deal: you give us your airplanes, and we'll give you our wicker baskets."

In concurrence with my first point that these men are not out of their minds so much as they are driven by religion, grievences, their like minded comrades; and also remembering they don't have the "civilized" means to wage a war (a standing army, tanks, etc), my final point is that terrorists are regular people driven to the edge. Consider Arnold's posting on Sept. 22. I'm sure Arnold is a normal guy, with reasonable religious and political beliefs, yet he is whipped into a fervor when someone he doesn't know but is tied to through country and religion is murdered. This inspires Arnold (and many more of you on this page) to write in hope of some murderous and sadistic retribution to the entire population of the second largest religious community in the world... Kinda sounds like muslim extremist bombast if you extrapolate just a few names doesn't it?

Posted by: Luc Dawg at September 24, 2004 05:57 PM

134 And you guys aren't the 2%'er's are you?!!

Posted by: Lue Dawg at September 24, 2004 06:01 PM

135 Not me Lue, but I did hear some encouraging news from one of our Army higherups. He said we know al-Zarqawi is behind these killings, and we are going to find him and systematically destroy him and his terrorist organization as soon as possible. That was good news to me. Those killings just reinforced to me that we need to win this war on terror, and to be thankfull for the troops who have put themselves in harms way in the defense of our country.

Posted by: Noah Schmidt at September 24, 2004 06:54 PM

136 My stomach turns, my heart breaks into a thousand more pieces with each murder. These animals MUST be stopped..they Will be stopped..sooner or later they will be found.
Why don't the Muslims in the USA start screaming for them to stop and take our side vocally? That is what bothers me the most. Everyone gets upset because some Iraqi prisoners were naked with panties on their heads....but one cries out. And I was just reading about the torture and rape of the many teen girls in that Russian School...Putin needs to declare war on these terrorists also..."whereever they are..whoever harbors them ..we will find you and hunt you down. That should be the battlecry of every nation that these thugs have wrought havoc on.

Posted by: gage at September 24, 2004 07:36 PM

137 If the government can't stop these sick son of bitches then maybe they can hire some BOUNTY HUNTERS with our taxdollars to do the same shit to them!

Posted by: masteranchor at September 24, 2004 08:13 PM

138 Yes, a lot of killing and torture has happened 'in the name of god' (notice the small 'g'), when one's 'god' is really one's own personal interests.
But how many nations have gotten involved in the affairs of other countries for the purpose of FREEING their people from oppression, dictatorship and murderous regimes? Precious few, and by far the most frequent has been our own country, the United States of America. Have we made some mistakes? Sure - anyone out there who can honestly say they HAVEN'T? Has our help ALWAYS had the intended effect? Looking at Viet Nam and Bosnia, guess not. But my question is, if WE (the USA) don't stand up for people who are oppressed, whatever the cost, WHO will pick up the banner? Does anyone out there REALLY believe the lies that our involvement in Iraq is 'just for the oil', or that 'Halliburton didn't have enough business' or some other political fabrication that left-wing extremists are trying to chant until we finally go into a trance or something like that? The USA has done more GOOD things for more unfortunate nations around the world than the UN and all other countries COMBINED have ever thought about doing, (check the record) but there are some people whose only motivation is political gain & self-promotion who seem to think that their life's purpose is to run down, weaken and verbally berate this country and everyone in it who doesn't agree with THEM, starting with any 'principled' leader that serves in its government. To those people, I can only say, 'You can start thanking GOD now (the REAL, live, LOVING GOD that is) that you are in a country that even ALLOWS you to say what you say, and thank the Americans who were willing to die to afford you that privilege, their ingenuity which made it possible for you to post your complaints on the internet and countless other mediums, and the goodness GOD has put in the hearts of our leaders, who have freed literally MILLIONS of oppressed people around the world from ruthless, vicious dictators (who take PLEASURE in things like beheadings), and remember also that the Afghani and Iraqi people are RIGHT NOW thanking America for giving THEM a shot at some of what we so blithely take for granted' (warts and all).

If you agree with the aforesaid, you know why - if you don't and are getting ready to 'flame' me 'cuz you disagree - thank you for making my point! :)

Thanks for taking a few moments of your time to read this. I remain a proud and grateful American, who loves his country, and is proud of its heritage, and its foundation of goodness to others and freedom for all. And I also remain MORE resolved and committed to the defeat of terrorists worldwide than ever, whether they wear the title of 'President' (like Hussein), or 'insurgent' (like Zarkhawi). To me, no matter what his station in life, a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist, and if their intent is malicious toward ANY innocent human being, they NEED to be brought to justice, whether it be in a court, at the barrel of an M16, or the result of an airstrike! Those whose blatant disregard for the sanctity of human life has made them do things like Hussein & his family did, and what these snivelling, sneaking, black-garbed COWARDS are doing don't deserve to live in this world, and since they proclaim to be so willing to 'die for their god', I think our brave military needs to help 'arrange the meeting', as Gen. Schwartzkoff once said . . .

Posted by: TerminalReminder at September 24, 2004 09:22 PM

139 I just wrote a check for the Sara Hensley fund. I hope that you all did the same. Every buck is important. Do it for Jack.

Nobody deserves to die like this...

Posted by: Tania at September 24, 2004 09:34 PM

140 Perhaps the reason the hostages don't fight is that they fear an even worse death than beheading if they did. You notice as horrible a death as the beheading is, it is over fairly quickly (thank God).

Posted by: patriot at September 24, 2004 09:43 PM

141 [QUOTE}If the government can't stop these sick son of bitches then maybe they can hire some BOUNTY HUNTERS with our tax dollars too do the same shit to them!

Posted by: masteranchor at September 24, 2004 08:13 PM

The government can trace these monsters because the videos are first appearing on Islamic websites. The cold, hard fact is, they don’t want to. (Not yet anyways) I'm sorry to say it but I think we all know that its true. Example: How is it that every time a major computer virus released upon the web that cripples cpu's everywhere and costs businesses millions of dollars only takes a week to trace all the way back to the originating ip address it came from? That ip ends up being linked to some kid who is an I.T. student in Malaysia or Michigan or wherever. I believe the last one only took a whole week to trace, and that was after having to sort and backtrack through millions of ip's to find the originator.
Fact: Each website has an IP that never changes. Day in, day out, it stays the same. They know the website addresses that these monsters post their vile videos to. What's so difficult about linking the website’s IP address to it's owner? NOTHING! If you were to make a threat on the president’s life inside this blog, WHICH I AM MOST CERTAINLY NOT so dont come knocking my door down in the a.m., how long do you think it would take the secret service to be at your front door to interrogate the hell out of you? Would you need to post your name, address, phone number in the threat for them to find you? No, of course not. They would find you through your IP and get your personal info through your internet service provider who assigned you that IP address.
So, you might be asking, why don’t they go get these terrorists if they're so easily traceable? Because the U.S knows, but they won’t state publicly, that MOST, and I do mean MOST, middle easterners absolutely hate Americans. Take a look at photos of buildings in Iran with murals of burning US flags painted on the side of them. Read the writing on the side of their rocket launchers (they actually print it in English so we can clearly read their hate) One I saw the other day said, "We will crush America under our feet." Nice huh? Is that hate limited to Iran? YEAH RIGHT! It is alive and well in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia— Do I really need to go on listing and citing because there are many more? Middle Easterners have been spoon-fed hate propaganda by their own government towards the United States for their entire lives. They truly believe we are the white devil from the west. They (middle eastern governments) oppress their own people financially but build them up spiritually. To counter civilian jealousy of Americans appearing so happy and living so prosperously, they condemn our lifestyles and morals and preach of how NONE of us will ever see the gates of heaven. Why do you think it is so hard to get Bin Laden even with the GIGANTIC bounty on his head? They don’t want the “Devils” money. They truly believe the spiritual propaganda that has been pumped into them by their leaders regarding The West.
These terrorist monsters are those people’s heros. The terrorists proclaim Jihad and murder in the name of Allah, but more and more, I am starting to believe they murder for celebrity and nothing more. If the terrorists were not being supported by the people of Iraq and all surrounding countries, how on earth would they be able to function freely without being turned in by their neighbors and the people of their communities. If a crack dealer moved in next door to me, I would report his activities to the authorities. Why? Because I am not a drug addict and I refuse to support anyone who either deals or uses illegal drugs in my neighborhood. Get my drift. These terrorists have plenty of support from ALL of their neighbors.
Unfortunately, if we kill Zarqawi and his band of thugs now, it would undoubtedly incite even more violence in the streets of Iraq and elsewhere in retaliation. Remember, on that side of the world, there will always be someone to take the place of the barbaric void left by whoever the people believed to be a martyr. That would just leave us with someone else to have to deal with. For the U.S. and Britain, the murdering of civilians by these barbarians is a simple game of numbers: Collateral damage. I’m not saying that our government isn’t infuriated by these acts and that they won’t eventually kill these monsters, but I truly believe they will do it when the job in Iraq is done and the soldiers are on their way back home. Killing them now would only further the risk of the lives of our soldiers because heavy and constant retaliation from these animal’s supporters, which is obviously a large number because, as usual with that side of the world, no one is willing to turn in their terrorist neighbor, would ensue.

Whether it is sooner or later, these scumbags will be dealt with by our government. Those innocent contractors unnecessary murder will be avenged. R.I.P. my friends. I personally will never forget you and what you had to endure.

Good luck coalition soldiers and may God protect you and our contractors. Come home soon.

Posted by: Chris at September 25, 2004 12:30 AM

142 How can anyone hate so much that it would allow them to do this to another human being.

I don't get it. Don't these people have families? Do they even know what it feels like to love someone? If, their lives have been so destitute why hasn't it taught them compassion and/or empathy. Don't they want to live happy peaceful lives with their love ones?

I can almost understand psychopaths and why they do what they do without any remorse or feelings. Psychopaths usually commit their crimes alone and at times you might find 2 to 3 nuts jobs committing brutal crimes together. The people committing these horrendous brutal murders are in groups of 5 to 6 people. These people are not psychopaths ... it goes way beyond that.

We are all human beings. What could possibly make these people commit so heartless. What is it that makes the majority of people in our type of society seem so much more loving and compassionate? You would think people that live the way most Americans live would be more self-centered and less caring...but it isn't the case.

These people must be brainwashed, drugged, threatened, partipate and brutally behead innocent people...and, some pleading for there lives.

I wonder if these people, their families, and generations of children being taught of such hatred, since birth, can ever be rehabilitated to a point where they could actually live in any kind of civil society governed by rules,laws, and punishment!

I was all for this war but I wonder can we ever succeed at ever bringing peace and civilization to a country with so many people with minds this warped and so far gone.

Posted by: Coleen at September 25, 2004 03:54 AM

143 Well, to begin with, we're dealing with a third world mentality here. They're ignorant! I'm not talking about ignorance in the sense of technology, but ignorance of civilized thinking. These people are really nothing more than primatives who have been given modern day toys with which to reek their destruction. From their religion, and hence from their elders, they have been taught all their lives that life has nothing for them and their only reward is in death. Life is cheap to them.
I think we did a great job, militarily, of going into Iraq. In fact never before was such a war fought with so few casualties and such precision. I think where we've failed since is we are too nice! We should have established martial law, brought in enough troops to secure the borders, and went house to house capturing and confiscating all weapons. We should have established strict curfews and anyone seen or caught with a weapon should have been shot on sight! By doing this I believe we would have had a lot less terrorists actions and violence to deal with, and could have set about rebuilding the country a lot quicker, with a lot less hassle, and expense. I beleive it also would have given Iraq a better chance to hire, train, and develope it's own police and military forces.
I also think they need to start some serious educational programs, in their schools and in their homes to teach more civilized thinking and premote love of life and living.
When the WORLD population finally becomes good and sick of terrorists and terrorism, then it will be erradicated. Currently, with the way we and others nicely dance around it, it will only be a series of one attack after another for sometime to come unfortunately.

Posted by: just another opinion at September 25, 2004 07:53 AM

144 Your responses make me laugh. Most of you are no better than the ones killing, beheading and torturing innocents in Iraq.

Seeking revenge upon Muslims? Please! How is that different from seeking revenge upon innocent Americans for what the American troops are doing to your country? (if someone bombs your house and kills your wife and children, you simply do not CARE what their political agenda is, you simply start HATING them with a passion)

If this is the typical Bush voter's opinion, the rest of the world was needlessly afraid. I'd be surprised if they all find their way to the voting office without help.

The answer, you say, is more hatred? More aggression? More suffering? You have learned nothing over the centuries, humanity. Christ has tried to teach you, Buddha has tried to teach you, Muhammed has tried to teach you, even Ghandi has tried to teach you, and you have not learned. Perhaps, this is your just reward. People killing people like animals, with no regard for life whatsoever.

Posted by: Eurosteph at September 25, 2004 08:48 AM

145 After seeing these murders, and alot more, it's plain to see humans are a plague on this planet.
I've read a few times in this forum comparing them to animals......animals don't do that shit to each other.
I'm ashamed of what we are capable of doing....we all need to be wiped out

Posted by: Subrosa at September 25, 2004 10:43 AM

146 Get the troops out and nuke the fucking lot of them.

Posted by: Mike at September 25, 2004 12:56 PM

147 What can we do about the muslim world:


Posted by: Emma at September 25, 2004 01:09 PM

148 This is where we go wrong, ignorance of other cultures and not accepting anything but us, we are not the only one on this planet, because we are powerfull it dosnt mean that our way is the way.

Posted by: Emad at September 25, 2004 02:21 PM

149 Lets all just pray for Kenneth Now! I will be every night untill he is released

Posted by: Allan Woodward UK at September 25, 2004 06:09 PM

150 You brainwashed Bush supporters are truly INSANE!! I'm sooo sick of hearing about how Bush is fighting this war, and how much courage he has. Bush isn't fighting shit!!! Our soldiers are fighting... and dying, while this dimwit plays golf and makes speeches. Until I see him fighting with his troops he sent to die, I have no respect for him!

Posted by: unbrainwashed at September 26, 2004 02:58 AM

151 lets kill all islam, start killing e'm all over the world!

Posted by: fuckiraq at September 26, 2004 09:18 AM

152 I`m muslim and hate terror, killing innocent people and at the other side to be under military occupation.
My questions:
1- Why USA sent its army to Iraq? is it because of mass distruction weapons? where are they???
2- Let us have a look at the action before evaluating the reaction. Look at Abu-Ghraib and ask if the iraqi society loves USA or not.
3- How many people in iraq have been killed since the occupation of iraq? more than 15000 people.

Posted by: nasser at September 26, 2004 04:34 PM

153 Ok, I think this is all bullshit, I'm REALLY not into politics, in fact I just about despise it, but I still think that this is wrong.
I'm not a bush fan, nor am I a kerry fan, (I am too young for that stuff anyways.)It's not Bush's fault.
These people did this to piss us off, and they succeeded...
I think we should just nuke them....we can live with a hole in the world.
I don't agree with them beheading these INNOCENT men and women if the reports are right.
I say we break a long-neck bottle, and cut THEIR heads off, and then broadcast it on the internet.

These Bastards deserve to freaking DIE A SLOW PAINFUL DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this Allah shit, wtf is this?
Allah is the god of peace?????
Is beheading people peaceful?
I just thought I'd put my 2 cent's in.
You needn't agree with me, I don't care if you agree or not...I'm stating my opinion.

Posted by: Tim R. at September 27, 2004 01:10 AM

154 Just saw the videos and why does this happen on this green earth we live in.
Im in the UK and to think this goes on is a hard image to shift.


Posted by: John Wright at September 27, 2004 01:16 AM

155 In response to Nasser who posted:

I`m muslim and hate terror, killing innocent people and at the other side to be under military occupation.
My questions:
1- Why USA sent its army to Iraq? is it because of mass distruction weapons? where are they???
How many of you have blindly followed the radicals of your countries and religions and then helped hide the weapons that Iraq was developing?

2- Let us have a look at the action before evaluating the reaction. Look at Abu-Ghraib and ask if the iraqi society loves USA or not.
Who cares if you love us or not? Bush promised the Iraqi people that once Saddam was deposed - he would not leave them to the tender mercies of the remaining muslim terrorists. Bush, if nothing else is a man of his word!

3- How many people in iraq have been killed since the occupation of iraq? more than 15000 people.
How many of those 15000 killed were a result of their own country's religious terrorists?

This killing and then advertising the deaths is an abomination.
Personally, I thought they should have blown that sand pit to smithereens the first time we were there - we would not be having this problem now.

My father fought for his country. He feels just as strongly about this war - and I agree with him.
My prayers go out to all the families of the terror victims.

Posted by: Mel at September 27, 2004 01:27 AM

156 I have not viewed any of the videos of American hostages being beheaded. I did watch, out of morbid curiosity, the video which showed a Nepalese prisoner meeting that fate. How I wish I hadn't...I lost sleep several nights afterwards, imagining what was going through these mens' minds in the final moments. Imagining how I could go on with life if that was my son. All I can say now is that we MUST stay the course; to back out of our commitments in Iraq at this point is conceding defeat to these terrorists. I didn't agree with Bush's decision to go to war with Iraq in the first place; I thought our efforts were better spent rooting out Bin Laden. But now that we've come this far I firmly believe we've no choice but to continue until there is some manner of stability in the region...and of course until these terrorists, every one of them, are eliminated.

I'm intrigued by the suggestion that these cowards are suffering from a third world mentality. It does make sense - no one who has any regard for life, including their own, could do this; therefore they must perceive their own lives as so worthless that they believe everyone's is. I have to admit, though, I prefer the psychopath theory...and I really believe it to be the more accurate one. These are unspeakable acts and while it may be true that these things have gone on for centuries, the technology that now brings it into my living room renders me unable to accept it as a fact of life. I will fervently support Bush when he refers to these men as "evil" because that's what they are. I also know they will get theirs in the end. It may be wrong of me to say this, but I hope they see it coming.

Posted by: BDH at September 27, 2004 10:52 PM

157 For what it's worth, I dug up an article on Clinton's anti-terrorism efforts.

I think it is wrong to politicize 9/11, and say it was one party's fault of the other. It was terrorists fault.

Posted by: Leo Greene at September 28, 2004 01:53 PM

158 I just watched the video of Jack, that was really unexpected. But then again, what did I expect, sunshine and lollypops? Absolutely brutal...GOD. I never saw any of the other ones, so I was jumping right into the deep end. That was, in no way, easy to watch. Every time it buffered, all you did was...wait...and wish it would just damn hurry. You visibly see gasping and wincing and the pain. Not just the pain in his eyes, but his heart, and therefore, the heart of myself. It will no longer be a regular day from now on. It has been seered into the inner cavitity of my brain, and it will only be forgotten, hopefully, after I pass. God bless U.S.

Posted by: The Independent Man at September 29, 2004 09:52 AM

159 I just watched this video. I just can't believe it. What I can't believe even more is that our country allows this race of people here. Are we still the "melting pot"? i think we have enough ingredients in our soup. when will the little men in high places just go ahead and turn that part of the world into a giant sandbox? do these life forms really serve a purpose other than oil? i don't think so.

Posted by: jerome calia at September 29, 2004 06:02 PM

160 Omg I can't believe this, those videos are so terrifying and sad. I give out my thoughts and prayers for the 2 families of the Armstrongs & Hensleys may god rest their souls. They didn't deserve that at all and its bullshit what those bastards would do just to get their way. Nobody deserves to die over some dumb bullshit like that.

Posted by: sissy at September 29, 2004 07:04 PM

161 We have got ourselves in to deep to back out now. You have to believe in freedom. When the thoughts of how gruesome the videos are come to mind also remember 9/11. I wonder how many people got decapitated then? We will never know. It makes me sick to my stomach to look at these maggots. Bush needs to wrap a logging chain around there nuts and drag them across the desert on one of there on camels.

Posted by: Frankie at September 30, 2004 05:18 AM

162 After U.S. Armed Forces kill everyone of these terrorists, let us leave Southwest Asia forever. The world delights in the slaughter of Americans. A true believer praying to God, "O Allah Akbar" God is Great, as he beheads Americans! What a dirty lie. For a entity that claims not to eat pork it is clear that they are all pigs.

Let them go back to slaughtering women, babes and cutting each other heads off so they can play stick ball in the sand with them. Savages one and all.

Every terroritst should have his mouth crammed with putrid pork so that they will choke to death. Allah will not accept the unclean into Paradise.

Posted by: Clontarf at September 30, 2004 08:26 AM

163 Tony Blair is pretty much damned now. If Ken Bigley is beheaded his popularity will plummit as it will look like he did nothing. If Ken is released, which I suspect he will be. It will be no thanks to our Tony. It will be because the kidnappers and perhaps Alla decided to show they can be mercifull. Ken is a political plaything with one goal, to damage Tony Blairs standing in the public eye. i'm not a blair fan but we can't negotiate with these people. Give them an inch and many more heads will role. They've already got far to much publicity from the three americans murdered so far. I don't think we need to see any more videos of people getting their heads cut off. i personally don't need to see the videos because by doing so I am playing into the terrorists hands and helping them achieve their goal. They want you to watch. They need you to watch. And don't think the answer to all this is dropping more bombs.

Posted by: dave from Scotland at September 30, 2004 08:37 AM

164 I've had it and I am fed up. How much longer are we going to allow these terrorists to stay in business? It's time to just bomb the living shit out of them all.

The Iraqis are doing nothing - not one damn thing to stop this violence. They want their freedom, but they don't want to lift a finger to get it.

Political correctness - screw it! It's day has come and gone.

The people of this world should NOT have to live in fear. This is ridiculous. If the Iraqis aren't willing to snuff out these scum, then so be it. We'll have to bomb your country into oblivion to get rid of them.

I want to know where is the muslim outrage??? Where are the protests???? Has anybody witnessed any because I sure haven't. Their silence speaks volumes. They certainly know how to protest when they claim their civil rights are being violated.

I don't like them in my country either. I don't trust them - especially because of their silence. And I hate them because they treat their women like dirt. Shame on muslim women for allowing it. If you come into this country, then live the GOD given freedoms you have - otherwise go home!

Take your freakish ways elsewhere - they aren't wanted here. If you want to stay, then get off your asses and PROTEST against your brothers and sisters for the torture they continue to inflict on thousands around the world.

Oh - and FUC_ allah and the pork he rode in on!


Posted by: Beth at September 30, 2004 06:14 PM

165 wake up america! everyone hates you and the way you strut around the world! no one likes these images but unfortunately you have brought it on yourselves with your arrogant attitudes......God bless America? Yeah right! wake up and smell some coffee. there is no God or Allah!

Posted by: dan at September 30, 2004 08:23 PM

166 i can't take the so much brutality of the iraqui hostage takers. after i watched the video i don't think i could eat my dinner tonight.this is one of the circumstances the americans have to face because of their bully attitudes to the prisoners of war and they didn't treat them as humans but animals.

Posted by: jonathan b. montemayor at October 01, 2004 05:45 AM

167 Give respect take respect. Learn to live like a humanbeing, Mr. Bush.

Posted by: Muni at October 01, 2004 12:40 PM



Posted by: INSANEVIPERHTFD at October 01, 2004 08:43 PM

169 just watching those horrible images reminded me that this is all the fault of George Bush. If he would not be so greedy for oil we could have avoided invading Iraq which at the time was no imminent threat but now is. This gave the US a debt or ressesion and made it more unsafe for us in our homeland. Im voting for Kerry without a doubt because more of the same bull is not gonna work. Please excuse my missplelins cus i am writing half hazardly . God Bless America

Posted by: krazzy at October 02, 2004 12:31 PM

170 Its me again I just wanted to say that its rediculouse when people state they want freedom forIraq. Who gave us the right to say that they were not content with that regime just because we love democracy does not give us the right to change a soveirne countrys govorment. Democracy is not imposed upon a people because doing that is a contradiction. Stop listening to all the lies that George Bush tells u and vote for Kerry unless u r an idiot

Posted by: krazzy at October 02, 2004 12:38 PM

171 mohammed raped his daughter
moslems are weak pussies
islam is a lie
allah mother was fucked by a horse

america will survive
freedom will prevail
death to terrorists and allah

Posted by: white at October 02, 2004 02:10 PM

172 god bleess us arm forces, death to terrorists

Posted by: banana at October 02, 2004 02:18 PM

173 I can hardly wait until Jehovah God steps in and puts an end to this terrible system of things. Daniel 2:44. Revelation 21:3&4.
Psalms 37:10&11. This system of things is a mess worldwide because we are living in the last days. All of this is supposed to happen just like the days of Noah as the bible says and no one took no note until the end came and swept them all away. 2 Timothy 3:1-7 1 John 5:19. Mathew 24:1-8. Psalms 83:18.

Posted by: Sherrie at October 03, 2004 03:15 AM

174 Are you all on drugs?
As soon as we give in to the terrorists
it will become wold wide !

Look the men have to die so what

Islam and all other religons are just crap
"a compleate load of toss"

come on pepole grow up !

Just put all of the islam's on a remote desert island and drop 1 big ICBM NUKE Problem solved!

Posted by: Lee at October 03, 2004 08:24 AM

175 i think all iraqui and muslim paki country shud all be bombed they are all as bad as each other the sick paki bastards i personally think all muslims shud be put in iraq and we nuke the sjit hole! religous clense that u dirty wankers!!!

Posted by: anon. at October 03, 2004 02:24 PM

176 First of all, my sympathy to the families of the dead, may they rest in peace. All of those who have been killed were doing something that was helping the people of Iraq. I pray the ignorant bastards who perpetrated these heinous acts, burn in hell forever...

Secondly, I hope that bush loses the election by a landslide so that he doesn't get a chance to pull any crap like in the 2000 election. Bush and Cheney are both losers and the proof is Iraq. There has not been much good coming out of Iraq because the main architects of the Iraq policy did not plan for what would happen after the war was won.

They did not and have not secured the country. They allowed foreign interventionists to enter through, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Iran. They got Saddam (finally) but not his leadership and followers. The Baathists have not given up.

Surely some of the insurgents in Iraq are Iraqis, but many are not. They incite Iraqis and even force them to fight against the Americans. I blame Bush for allowing this to happen. He didn't put enough troops in Iraq to get the job done. They had enough manpower to protect the oil ministry building but not enough to protect the borders and prevent infiltration of these terrorists. Now more than 1050 American men and women are dead.

Many people on this blog have said that they want to "bomb Iraq into a parkinglot", to "kill all the ragheads, "nuke em," etc. The average Iraqi is not killing Americans. It is the Arab terrorists (from outside of Iraq) that are doing the majority of the killing. (Example: Al Zarqawi is Jordanian, not Iraqi)That is not to say that there aren't some Iraqis involved, but who is leading them?

I think that what has been happening in the last couple of days is the correct way to handle the situation. Sending in overwhelming force will drive out or kill the insurgents. Then let the Iraqi security forces take over from there. Of course you have to have them trained which is another failure of the Bush plan. (Bush bragged in the first debate with Kerry that they have been trained which is not true. (What, another lie? Not quite true, They have had 3 weeks of training...)

You are going to continue to see these terrible acts of barbarism (beheadings) until Iraq is secure and free of these Arab terrorists from outside of Iraq. Until Bush allows the military to go in and do what the military has to do to end this situation, the civilian abductions will continue and the soldiers will continue to be killed one or two at a time on a daily basis. I don't know why that hasn't happened. I would like Bush to explain why he is let this thing drag on and on. Maybe there is a profit to be made by keeping this going??? Halliburton, Bechtel??? Or maybe Bush is like his Dad and can't finish what he starts. At least George Senior didn't tell the military its business but when he did, he screwed up.

I don't believe that Kerry would do what some of you contend. I think he understands that you can't coddle these fanatics. I think he stand s a much better chance than George Bush of getting the Europeans to do there part in the fight against terrorism (All due respect to those countries already helping us in Iraq and Afghanistan) After all, it is in everyone's best interest to fight terrorism and particularly Al Qaeda.

While I think the French and the Germans were wrong to fight so hard against America, George Bush was also wrong to go into Iraq when he did. Afghanistan was the target and should have stayed the target. Now there is something of a mess in both places (again, very poor leadership by the Bush/Cheney administration) Where did these Arab fighters come from that are in Iraq? They came from Afghanistan in many cases, by way of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and Jordan.

There are not enough American troops to fight two wars and have a credible presence in the rest of the world as well. Now at the height of danger in North Korea what does Bush do? He starts yanking troops out of the South. He has exhausted the reserves and the National Guard, and enlistment numbers are way down for the NG. I wonder why...? These men and women join to protect the country, in their communities, not to be dragged away from their jobs that pay their bills or to be made to serve long tours of duty in foreign lands while their families do without at home. Both John Dean and John Kerry have a valid argument about a "back door draft"
Bush says he isn't for a draft. (I wonder if the election has anything to do with that?)

I think that Bush is lost and doesn't know what he needs to do. I don't know if Kerry will be any better but I have seen what Bush has to offer and I am not impressed at all. It is one thing to beat your chest and say "you are either with us or you're against us", but quite another to fight two wars and win. Now he is having to go to the UN and ask for help. After doing what he has done to drive off our usual allies, does he really think there will be any more help?

You can vote for whom ever you choose, and say whatever you'd like but I don't see how we can afford to have the Bush adminstration for four more years...

Posted by: rick at October 04, 2004 02:10 AM

177 It is so strange that people forget the past! No doubt killing innocent people is unacceptable and unjustifyble. However, what do you expect to see when you go into war against a nation?! How do you think the people of that nation will react to such occupation,which was not even accepted by most of the world?!

I have been seeing pictures and images of children and women being killed by airstrikes, supposed to hit the 'terrorists'! Yet, nobody cares!
Where is the justice?

We have been studying about history that any occupied nation has the full right to defend its country from the outsiders. Those who defended their lands were considered to be heros. Now they are considered to be terrorists!

Yes, Killing innocent people is disgusting and not accepted in any law or religion, but people forget whom the real murderer is.

The war started without a real justification, but based on speculations and lies. Yes Saddam deserved to be punished for his murderes against his people and other nations, but this was not the justification of the war.

The justification was basically a BIG LIE.

Wakeup people, and be fair in your judgments.

I feel sorry for the victimes of this barbaric war.

An amazed man!

Posted by: Amazed at October 04, 2004 11:34 AM

178 I am scared of all this hatred here. When will all this end? You are not better than terrorists. In the name of Jesus and Buddha you have to learn to forgive. Look at Tibet. These people was slauthered by chinese soldieres and they feel no hatred. A big yogi who was captured and tortured for years said that the chinese are his biggest friends! Why? Because they give him the possibility to learn patience with the so called enemies. Sure suffering is scaring and the time will come we all have to suffer. But you can just stop this circle in calm down, control your emotions and start to recognize that this is just a kind of dream.
Love to ALL living beeings,

Posted by: karmapa at October 04, 2004 01:21 PM

179 About the videos (which I haven't watched): You know why our (the U.S.) government didn't/doesn't put footage of Osama's speeches on the news? It was so Osama couldn't potentially give secret signals/signs to terrorist cells around the world. Further, the terrorists film these horrible rituals because they WANT us to see them. By posting/displaying these videos, I pose that this site is giving aid to the terrorist cause. What you are doing is inexcusable negligence if not an act of treason to America.
Go rent the video 'Faces of Death IV' if watching people get snuffed turns you on...

Posted by: Leo at October 04, 2004 01:55 PM

180 Leo you make a very good point and it is one that others have expressed. By showing the actual videos and us seeing them it has the effect of demoralizing and causing fear in all westerners. We have a abhorrance to this method of execution. Even in the far east, this was and probably is still a fairly common method of execution. However the Far eastern practice is quite a bit more humane than the way it is done by these butchers. The Japanese for example make it very quick and clean with a sword that is razor sharp. There is none of this sawing and almost lust for causing suffering of the victim.

The people who are doing this are using this to cause fear and that is palpable in the comments made on this and other blogs. It is having the desired effect. However it is equally obvious that it is causing much hatred of the Islamic faith in general and in particular hatred of these terrorists. In the end they are not going to make the American Army or Coalition forces, if you will, withdraw from Iraq. Americans in particular become emboldened by such treachery. The more we are shown this, I believe, the stronger the response will be against it. This is evidenced by the recent attacks on Sammarah (SIC?)

To Amazed---

I think that you are mistaken. The people who are doing the beheadings (al-Zarkawi and al Qaeda) are not Iraqi nationals they are Arabs from Afghanistan, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran. They have infiltrated Iraq with the notion solely to kill westerners. If they cannot do it in Iraq then they will do it in almost any western country. They are raised to this purpose and have no qualms about killing because they are indoctrinated from a very early age and trained all of their lives to extinguish the life of all "non-believers." They place no value on human life, including your own.

I too am against the bloody war that kills innocent people. I was against going into Iraq when Bush decided to go and I am against the war now. I am glad that Saddam is paying the price for his crimes against humanity. But many others are paying for his crimes as well who had nothing to do with his cruel reign.

Posted by: Rick at October 04, 2004 07:51 PM

181 I understand your anger and frustrations Americans but you must think of the bigger picture. The whole world is watching you and some of your ideas are as extreme as the militants waging war against our ways. Have you ever stoped to think that you deserved the things that you get? Your country is run by a more and more seemingly imperialist regimen. you as a community never ask any questions of your "president" a man with supposedly terrific power, yet all you seem to do is invade other countries and kill the inhabitants for there oil and land. Which they have more of a right to then your country ever will. These ideas will be very hard for you to swallow but trust me I speak for the rest of the world and a great deal of them are very angry with your country. Have you ever thought about not starting wars for money? Your country is incredibly gifted with inventers, entertainers and strong people.
I would like to hear your views if you’re not a closed minded arrogant person that thinks that they are the Giant Green Gods who are walking the earth with guns.

Posted by: Think Before YOU SPEAK at October 05, 2004 08:47 AM

182 I think that everyone of those sicks perverts should be, beheading infront of there familes, we should just kill them all and m,aybe this would stop but i know that we are a better country then that.... geroge bush has to go though he is doin anything for this... kill them all..........

Posted by: callie at October 06, 2004 03:31 PM

183 I think that everyone of those sicks perverts should be, beheading infront of there familes, we should just kill them all and m,aybe this would stop but i know that we are a better country then that.... geroge bush has to go,he is doin anything to help this... kill them all..........

Posted by: callie at October 06, 2004 03:31 PM


Posted by: karmapa at October 07, 2004 02:39 PM

185 I wish that it were those types of people that our troops are killing. Unfortunately, it seems to only be civilians who are getting hit. Why does it seem like we only encourage the rage in everything we do?

Posted by: nicole at October 08, 2004 10:31 AM

186 I think that saying our innocent civilians deserve to be beheaded in Iraq is a bit on the callous side, to say the least. If you took a moment to think about the types of people who posted on the site you would see the typos, see the ignorance, and realize that most of these people are what they seem. They are among the less informed, more ignorant stratum of the American society. Unfortunately we have a right wing, "religious" zealot in control of our country right now. And if you know anything about our politics here, or politics in general, you would know that politicians lie and they do not always do what the people want. Even in this so-called land of democracy.

You are right about the people who are currently in control of this country. They are egomaniacal bastards, looking only to line their pockets and serve their own personal interests. But I am here, I am in America, and I have seen the demonstrations against the war. Most people did not want to go there and the only reason that the majority of the supporters of the war ever supported it was because they honestly believed what their president told them. They believed that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and they were scared. The truth is George Bush took advantage of a crisis in this country to wage his pet war and there are a lot of people here who are very angry about this.

I hate the stereotypical American attitude of "we are the best." Its shit and I know it. It also blinds us as a people to the fact that every empire falls, and with that attitude we have become an empire. Someday our empire will fall and no one will see it coming. Then we will be the beggars in a world that we have taught to hate us. May the world have the mercy on us that this country never had on them. I am with you, but no innocents deserve torture.

Posted by: nicole at October 08, 2004 11:05 AM

187 These people lack the common value for life that we Americans have come to love. The only way to deal with these people is like the Jews have; if they take hostages and ask for the release of their prisoners, and they behead these prisoners after we do not comply, we should kill whoever they asked for in prison: publically. That way, they will not ask for any other releases because it will result in their death. The way that these suicide bombers work is also something we can learn from. If someone is willing to strap a bomb on themselves and walk into a bus and kill 200 women and children, what can we do to stop them? Do what isreal does...let it be known to anyone who does a suicide bombing that we will hunt down your family and your children and parents and the like and try them for your crime and kill them. Even as selfish as these people are, they would stop if they knew that their family would be killed instead of being paid. There is no right answer to this. These are not rational people so we can't deal with them rationally.

Posted by: Concerned at October 08, 2004 01:23 PM

188 What these Islamist fail to realize and learn lessons from, is the fact the humans in general will fight harder when faced with brutality and extreme acts of violence. The United States did not surrender as the Japanese had hoped after Pearl Harbor; The Russians did not surrender to Napoleon or to Hitler after both those dictators laid waste to the Russian countryside; the United States did not collapse because of 9/11; and the United States will most certainly not implode or change its policies because of some cowards who hide behind Allah's name to carry out their crimes against humanity. If these Islamist were serious about changing the political face of their respective countries, they would do so through methods similar to what Ghandi used in India. If their enemy (the West and the U.S.) resists them harder after each execution, maybe its time they try releasing the prisoners after making the point that they could have killed them if they desired. At the same time these Islamist should air videos of just who is really being killed by U.S. / U.K. bombs and bullets e.g., the children, women, and elderly. These acts of mercy and images of innocent deaths would start to win/affect the hearts and minds of the populace whose government these Islamists want to kick out of their holy lands. If anything, the Islamist should take a lesson from the North Vietnamese on how to manipulate the Will of People against their government and military and in effect defeat a super-power from within.

Posted by: CEN at October 08, 2004 04:16 PM

189 death to america fuckers

Posted by: bid flish at October 08, 2004 04:47 PM

190 Any comments on the slaughter of iraqi civilians by US forces ? By some accounts it exceeds 10,000
( - far more horrific than these

Posted by: Pepe le pew at October 08, 2004 09:35 PM

191 Most civilized people cherish life, whether
they worship Christ, Allah, Buddah, Mohhamed, or
whatever. But "all" religions have their "10%",
who claim to be ardent believers, in the light,
but then skulk around, in the dark, cultivating
their sickly perversions.

All who've faced death, whether in "conflicts",
or in declared wars, and have taken life, or had
to experience the bloody deaths, of their friends,
or comrads, at the hand of their "honorable"
enemies, are not "shamed" by their service. We
were soldiers, who, by the flip of a coin, or
shere luck, were the victors, not the victim.
We fought, using civilized rules of engagement,
even though, we too, had our "10%"ers. We didn't
take an non-combatant, tie his/her hands, behind
their back, blind-fold them, and then saw their
head off, while several "brave???" "men???" held
their helpless body down, justifying it as part
of a "holy jihad".

These "patriots" are shaming their own people,
their country, & the very religion they are
"killing for". You don't gain compassion, from
the peoples of the "World", by performing acts
of horrific barbarism, upon helpless victims,
chosen by random opportunity.

Just as children, during the early years of
American history, were brainwashed into believing
that the white race was superior, to other races,
the children of Pseudo-Islam (terrorists) are
being taught to die, & kill, praising a hateful
Allah, not how to live, with Allah as a Loving, & compassionate, God.

These "heroes" who like to stand in front of
cameras, & brutally murder innocent people, after
they've begged for their lives, in front of the
same cameras, are an elite group who can claim,
as their members, from the past:
Hitler, Jeffrey Dahlmer, Son of Sam, Bonnie
& Clyde, Al Capone, "Papa Doc", Vlad the
impaler, & other notable degenerates.

It's really a shame when history repeats itself,
and innocent people die, because a group thinks
that they can force the world to "do what they
demand", by using blackmail, coersion, murder, &
terror. Even a passive "victim" can turn on a
"bully", & find the opportunity to end his/her
torment, even if it means doing something that
they "normally" would never even think of.

Bush didn't start this "thing". Pseudo-Islamic
"gangsters", on board planes, with innocent Men,
Women, & Children, premeditatedly killed many
thousands of innocents, not caring that their
actions would be "addressed" with a vengeance.

Many millions have died for "Man's lack of
Humanity" towards his "Brother", during the
Worlds violent history, but "never" has terror
risen as the victor. Eventually, all who've tried
to terrorize the civilized world, have tasted the
gallows, or met their "god", at the hands of their

I'm saddened about the children, who will die, due
to the stupidity of their parents, & those who
will die, at the hands of these same children,
unless they die by our hand.

"What a shame!".

Posted by: Erodoeht Retsul at October 09, 2004 02:34 PM

192 These are sick acts and I can not believe anyone could do something like this. We need to get the contractors and soldiers out of Iraq. Our family memebers over there are being killed for no reason. I personally have two sons in Iraq @ this time and fear for them everyday.

Posted by: Edna at October 11, 2004 09:41 AM

193 These are sick acts and I can not believe anyone could do something like this. We need to get the contractors and soldiers out of Iraq. Our family memebers over there are being killed for no reason. I personally have two sons in Iraq @ this time and fear for them everyday.

Posted by: Edna at October 11, 2004 09:42 AM

194 These are sick acts and I can not believe anyone could do something like this. We need to get the contractors and soldiers out of Iraq. Our family members over there are being killed for no reason. I personally have two sons in Iraq @ this time and fear for them everyday.

Posted by: Edna at October 11, 2004 09:42 AM

195 Unfortunately, this has been going on for 1300 years. Islam has been at war with its neighbors ever since it was founded. That is what makes Islam different from any other religion. People talk about how terrible the Crusades were while forgetting (or never thinking about) why they started.

When the first crusade was declared it was in response to the defeat of a Byzantine army by Moslem invaders who were attacking Christian Byzantium. At that time there was a Muslim army in Italy and a Muslim army in Spain. The Crusades were just opening another front in a war that was already 300 years old, taking the fight to the enemy after they had launched repeated attacks. The Crusades actually worked, they took the steam out of Muslim attacks and ulimately alowed the establishment of stable borders.

Though it took another 400 years to throw the last Muslims out of Spain, the war has never really ended. Just look around the world. Muslim insurgents in the Philipines, in Indonesia, in Chechneya(ok so I can't spell it), in Kasmir. Muslim governments oppress minorities through armed millitias in Sudan, in Nigeria. 1000 years of conflict in the Balkans. And the on going supression of any religious minority in any country with a Muslim government. Islam has been at war with very other religion it has met since its founding. Even if you don't believe in religion, this is a religious war. The only choices are worship allah or fight. We do not have to become barbarians ourselves, but we must stand very firm and make it clear to the Muslims that any attack on the west will cost them more than they gain. That is a fundamental requirement for the continued existence of the freedoms we take for granted because those freedoms do not exist under Islam. That is why I will be voting for George Bush, he understands that essential requirement for the continued existence for this society and the western world. John Kerry does not understand. If our society fails to continue to exist, all the other issues are irrelevant.

Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2004 09:03 PM


Posted by: will willard at October 13, 2004 02:41 PM

197 Just drop a bomb on the whole middle east part of the world. That'll get rid of those shit eatin, head sawin', woman hatin' sand niggers. They are the scum of the earth and have no purpose to live. Actually, those jihad fuckers do not deserve to live. If those terrorists are caught by the US, I hope the americans will cut their heads off and video tape it. How bout that you brown bastards! WHAT? WHAT! FUCK TAWHID! FUCK JIHAD! YOU ALL STINK AND PROBABLY FUCK EACH OTHER UP THE ASSES. FUCK YOUR ALLAH CRAPBAR OR WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU TAUNT ABOUT. FUCK YOU SAND NIGGER TERRORISTS.

Posted by: Budman at October 13, 2004 06:38 PM


The majority say that we should nuke the entire country, but the reason we (US, GB, Australia) have gone in there is to remove WMD's (nope not a reason anymore, next one), to get the leader (got him now) who supports Al Quaeda (no, not that anymore either).

So here's the deal, based on cutting losses and logic. Why kill more iraqi's and american soldiers and contractors through a nuke bomb? If I had the choice of being nuked or left with a tyrant leader, I would choose the tyrant leader any day.

So to save the most amount of american lives which is what seems to be the most important thing to most bloggers here, the answer is simple, we should leave them to tyranny (you know, like they had it before but without the air strikes and faggot US soldiers who like to molest young boys at Abu Ghraib.

If you guys hate this people group so much, do them a favourleave them to their tyrant and spend more money on protecting your borders and ousting Muslims with red-neck McCarthy-ism back in the US.

Posted by: Mike at October 14, 2004 09:33 AM

199 Oh yeah, and before you post another stupid and uninformed comment on the morality of the US invasion, read this:

Posted by: Mike at October 14, 2004 09:54 AM

200 How on 'earth' can another human being taketh the life of another in such gruesome act (in the day) and then eat and sleep at night. This is a sick world were (unfortunetly)living in hence, Americans and people of the world, better take heed to the 'creeping' catastrophy and stop living in a 'bubble'. Life is first everything else, is second.

Posted by: Dean at October 20, 2004 11:54 AM

201 This is so sick! These people are not human in anyway!!! I hope we catch these creeps cause they dont deserve to live for such a crime!! I feel for the families of these victims . These pictures and video have gotten me pretty emotional! Very sad.........

Posted by: Keri at October 22, 2004 01:46 PM

202 Its sad how god created these sick bastards. I give all my thoughts and prayers out to all those families who lost a loved one in this gruesome tragity. How could god create such sick and heartless human beings. These sons of a bitches deserve to die for taking the lives of such innocent people. We just need to nuke these fuckers and hope they die as painful and slowly as possible. I can't even begin to imagine how painful that was for those innocent people, I don't want to imagine and it scares me for the safety of my family. I don't out of Kerry or Bush who would be better but neither one makes me feel comfortable, I just have this weird feeling about them both. But I'm for whoever gets it I guess, I just hope to god that whoever does get it can put a end to all this and bring those soldiers home to their families safetly.

Posted by: Woulditmatter? at October 27, 2004 02:57 AM


Posted by: CLAIRE DIFFLEY at October 28, 2004 09:58 AM

204 Wir sollten in den Irak gehen. Mit einer gut geruesteten Truppe und Haus fuer Haus und Mann fuer Mann umkrempeln. Die Terroristen und die, die sie unterstuetzen werden lernen uns zu fuerchten.
Wir brauchen Geld,Waffen und tapfere Maenner und Frauen!

Wer wohlhabend ist, soll unseren Kampf unterstuetzen!

Posted by: Capt.Scott at October 28, 2004 12:16 PM


Posted by: Dan at October 29, 2004 07:16 PM

206 How can you do this to a human soul? You are not human if you are able to do this. It fills one with rage and anger that causes individuals to rebel. Now how do you know you are living in a safe world anymore? It tells you that you can not bring up a family without worrying about them every second. No matter how bad humans can be, NO ONE deserves such fate. A stupid method used to scare people. Action needs to be taken and fast, something isn't right and something must be done to NOW if we are ever going to stop such actions fro taking place. By the way ALLAH means God. Now for all those people that say fuck ALLAH watch your mouth! Don't be ignorant and abuse your own God.

Posted by: MikeStar at November 08, 2004 05:57 AM

207 I agree with MikeStar, be in the know before you speak. These 'be headings' are like taken from a movie or a game. What they hell is wrong with these people? Bloody people! Any one normal in this world?

Posted by: Megan at November 14, 2004 07:27 AM

208 I used to go out with a sand nigger from Afghanistan pre 9-11, and he told me his family hated me because I wasn't muslim.They are full of hate.Islam should be outlawed!All you Islamic creeps on here posting complaining about how it's unfair for you guys etc. need to shut the fuck up. You guys are worse than the KKK or Bush. If not then why don't you guys speak out and prove you are a group of peaceful people.Why aren't muslim leaders doing anything about this crap?? The U.S. needs to stop being so reasonable and start electrocuting these terrorists. Fuck Allah and Islam.

Posted by: layla at November 14, 2004 09:54 PM

209 lets behead them and show the show and eye for and eye once one has seen the beheading of americans the damage is done to our souls they drew frist blood.lets kill them all they will kill us if we dont act now

Posted by: jack ward at November 25, 2004 03:04 PM

210 the only good muslim is a dead muslim they are taking over all the stores in the coutry. they are the sleeping cells waiting for big one think about it wake up america and fuck you kerry you fucking trader

Posted by: jack ward at November 26, 2004 09:35 PM

211 the only good muslim is a dead muslim let them all burn in there oil

Posted by: jack ward at November 26, 2004 09:44 PM

212 I live on the other side of the pond but i fully feel your pain.These people are scum.They deserve a lifetime of pain.The principels on which this war is based on may not be right but i want to let you know that most people in Ireland fully support any actions your troops carry out on terrorists providing they are terrorists and not innocent civilians.We in Ireland know only too well what it feels like to be stabbed at the heart of our nation by a hidden foe.END THIS SENSELESS BLOODLETTING NOW!!!!for all our sakes.

Posted by: john at November 27, 2004 10:20 AM

213 May God bless Afghanistan, but, not in the least bit it's leaders!!!!! They deserve all the torture and pain and suffering that they have bestowed upon the world, but that is not something we can do. In light of this fact, I say God, do not bless them, but show them your light. Let them have their second chance, but let that be the last chance as well.

Posted by: J at December 04, 2004 07:47 PM

214 Good bless America and all those who support it!

These terrorists are animals, they have no value for human life - on top of that they are RACIST, they hate verything called a non-muslim (or in their cas a non-believer).

after seeing some pictures and a video, it sickend me to see how governments and Seach engines allow people to post links of this nature - BUT IT DOES REVEAL THE REAL TRUTH.

if i had a gun, i would not hesitate to go and kill evey single one of those pigs in the world, or even better torture them and cut off their heads.
how is it possible that they can even pray before doing something like this and take pride in it.


Posted by: T at December 11, 2004 06:49 AM

215 when bush finaly gets captured the pain will stop
yes when george bush. If the video of more terrorist activity to came from bin ladden had not surfaced during the second election, bush would have lost the election. Then the fear and pain would have faded as he left office. The ever tightening vice around the americans was when the white house stated that they did want the most recent video shown, making americans believe they could not survive without bush. Was how the votes saddled into bush's election win.

Posted by: cripple at December 28, 2004 11:15 PM

216 Now you americans will have four years of
live or die thoughts. For your re-election of a war monger george bush whom bin ladden enjoys teasing and fighting.
how can you live with yourselves. It's these kinds of choices that make you americans red necks of the world who everyone wants to crush.

Posted by: cripple at December 28, 2004 11:34 PM

217 great like when the americans has been beheaded.this is the islam power.i hope al qaeda will beheaded more and more head of americans.good job.

Posted by: malaysia at January 08, 2005 09:03 AM

218 bomb their fucking little country. if we bombed nagasaki and hiroshima that long ago we should be able to come up with a super-nuke

heres the game plan

1. call out all of our troops
2. bomb the fucking living shit out of them
3. televise the results with out cencoring it i wanna see skin instantly liquify
i want all there half goat half human scum of children to be affected to the point where they have a highly contageous skin eating nuclear virus that kills them very, very, very,painfully and slowly

nuke their sacks!

i wanna see skin on fire
i wanna see iraq and all the -stan countrys gone
i wanna see people running in fear of the almighty united states
i wanna see people jumping into lakes to stop their skin from burning

if there are lakes in that stupid ass camel fucking country

Posted by: some yo yo at January 28, 2005 08:49 AM

219 Why Don't they just fuckin nuke the contry that fukin pisses me off seein this If i had the chance i would kill every last one of them with no simpify to there familys an im not even a violent person fuck how dose Gorge bush sleep at night i hope he sees this video.

Sory bout the spellin

Posted by: Jack at February 05, 2005 06:22 PM

220 the pig squealing noise in the armstrong video is actually armstrong's severed trachea pulling in air after it has been cut through.

He's trying to breath even though his head is almost off.

Posted by: nowhyu? at February 08, 2005 09:15 PM

221 As for watching the video, I'm going to refrain. My digging for an answer to what has happened to some hostages dosen't require me to trudge through such gruesome things.

As for being barbaric, disgusting and etc, yes, it is. But every country all over the world is responsible for atrocities. these atrocities simply happen to be the ones that has be televised and publicised the most.

The question I have to ask is that surely these people would not do this just for kicks? Then again, they may, but I have a gut feeling that many things have happened to them at the hands of others before they started to take such drastic action. Of course, that's not condolence to the families of the victims. Who knows what goes through people's minds when they are commiting such acts.

The ability to do such things is within everyone, if they are brought around to that certain way of thinking. Don't fool yourselves.

All acts like this, of violence, mind manipulation, using fear and religion to brainwash others are despicable. But they happen, and there's nothing the average Joe can do about it.

Posted by: Leo at February 09, 2005 02:33 PM

222 You know something, I read down, read a lot of the other posts on this thing. And a lot of you (you know who you are!) are as bad as the "terrorists" wanting to bloody "DESTROY THE ENTIRE COUNTRY QUICKLY AND PAINFULLY"

What the Hell?? Are you INSANE? that makes you just as bad as them. I'm all for opinions but jeez! You racist guys are damn retards!

D'you know how many inncoent English muslims I've seen get beat up just over this thing? And they had NOTHING to do with this at all. I know a few Muslims who went to Liverpool (I live right by there) and OFFERED UP PRAYERS for Ken Bigley. They DONATED to his family. They CARE. They feel GUILTY because this kind of shit is going down in the name of THEIR religion. They shouldn't have to live with the stigma of being evil, just because some idiots in a far off country kill others.

And you say we should kill them all. I don't normally get mad like this, but DAMN! Don't you DARE talk like that! i have Muslim friends. They're just like me, like anyone. (I was going to say like you am me, but they aren't as retarded as you racist types at all)

Obviously, this little bitching of mine DOSEN'T apply to everyone who has posted on this board. I know some of you are reasonable, and have raised points against the idiocy the others are sprouting.

This kind of racist talk ISN'T funny, and it ISN'T clever. I know I'm wasting my characters, for I've got a good idea that those people are just idiot kids. And if you're not, and if you're adults.....


Posted by: Leo at February 09, 2005 02:51 PM

223 i had no idea that these videos might have been released to public. I still cant believe what i just saw. all i know for sure though, that i dont wanna a remember any particular scene of it. people who put the blame on all muslim community actually should not be blamed. they are just too pissed off.. i live in a muslim country, Turkey. as most of you probobly know Turkey is the only muslim country in the world that is democtratic. but being stereotyped sometimes pisses me off too. our way of living is very identical to europe. (atleast way of living in istanbul) i am not a religious person meself just like majority of turkish people is not. but ignorant people (whom are very common in the states)think that we are terrorists as well just because being moslim..Well idiots listen up..i live in a moslim country but i am not attached to it. i am a microsoft certified systems engineer and cisco certified network professional. i am sick and tired of all these bullshit. there are alot of turkish victims out there too..they were not beheaded but guys remember the explosions in Turkey? a driver who works for a turkish trade company was released couple days ago after being kept hostage for a week or so was on tv the other day. he said that american soldiers excorted him through the american base but left him alone after he delivered the items he was supposed to..therefor he was captured and held hostage. now why the fuck did american soldiers escorted the guy on his way in but left him alone later? because they were nothing to do with that poor man who probably took the job because he desperetely needed the money..war doesnt determine who is right, only who is left.

Posted by: ozgur at March 02, 2005 08:00 AM

224 Well said Leo

Posted by: Simpo at March 03, 2005 09:11 AM

225 It shows the barbarian human can arrive. VERY SAD

Posted by: paco at March 04, 2005 01:34 PM

226 thanx god they killed jack hesely i will like it more when they kill bush the bastard he is a pure son of a bitch.

Posted by: harry at March 23, 2005 01:59 PM

227 thanx gos they killed jack hensely i will love this site when i hear that they killed bush the bastard.

Posted by: haroon at March 23, 2005 02:02 PM

228 How DARE you say "thank god he was killed?" He had a wife and a daughter back home. She isnt even 17 and you say THANK GOD? He seems like a very honorable guy because of the fact he went to iraq to make money for his family. He cared dearly for his daughter and deserves much more than he had. I dont think im going to watch the video but i think that he NEVER deserved this. NO ONE deserves this. Its not muslims either, its TERRORISTS. Big difference there. I wish the best of luck to his wife, daughter and family. I wish for his family to recover and live happy lives with knowing that jack certainly cared for you all.

Posted by: Just.a.Little.Girl at March 29, 2005 08:28 PM

229 Men who hack the heads of bound and helpless victims do so not because they were born evil. They do it because they have seen 2 million of their countrymen die under American sanctions. Whine and bitch all you will but until America stops killing people across the planet men like Jack, Eugene and Ken will suffer the consequences. It is a despicable coward that murders an innocent human being, be it with a knife or a guided missile. NO MORE WAR

Posted by: Reality Bites at March 30, 2005 02:40 PM

230 "Haroon" HOW DARE YOU SAY THANK GOD THAT HE WAS KILLED!?!? see, YOU are the worthless fucks who should be killed for saying that. fuck you, i hope yo burn in hell you little shit

Posted by: fuck you at April 03, 2005 02:47 PM

231 haroon, how DARE you say thank god jack hensley was killed??? YOU are the worthless fucks who should be killed, i hope you rot in hell you little shit

Posted by: fuck you haroon! at April 03, 2005 02:57 PM

232 I can not belive the monsters that are in the world today! My child was born right after 9-11, and the thought that my child had to grow up with all of the reasent actions going on was bad. But i never thought it would come to this. My heart goes out to the people who are being effected by all of this. I hope one day the world will be a better place for our kids, and all of the people who took part in all of the monsterish acts will get whats comming to them. the photos that i just saw will haunt my deams for a long time.

Posted by: One Scared Mother at April 07, 2005 12:24 PM

233 you are fucking shit heads you dirty bastards
i will chop youre fuckin heads off if you cum to brum you dirty little packie shits

Posted by: houdini at April 16, 2005 11:52 PM

234 I think that is terribly sad. When i read the story on Jack Hensley i thought that was so sad. Hie daughter was only 13 and now she has no father to care for her. Her dad was the one she could express her emotions to. when i read the Story i felt sick to my stomach. If i was to ever lose either one of my parents in a beheading i think i would die. I would like to give my condolences to the families of Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong. And Haroon that is such a stupid thing to say. THank GOD THEY ARE DEAD?!?! Are you a complete moron?

Posted by: Just a little girl too at April 26, 2005 05:45 PM


Posted by: Big Grown Man at April 26, 2005 05:50 PM

236 Fuck all your stupid "opinions." no one gives a fuck about it anyway. it all comes down to these FACTS.

The white people on this planet ARE superior. Its simpe like that. im not saying that we were always superior, im just saying we have grown and grown and grown and that we are superior now. In fact, the whiter the skin, the more civilised. If u look at it this way, The white people are the most modern and civilised, the asian (who are yellow) are also good but still less, and the muslims and middle-east people (which i call noggys from now on) and black people are just ALL AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF EM complete fuckups. Look at africa; hopping like bunnies and sitting on their lazy asses all day. Look at middle east; praying to a stupid book and a dumbass "God", beheading and stoning people, living in deserts...

We (the whites) have developed and grown due to our INTELLIGENCE to this state. we have supreme technology and the noggys and blacks dont. when there is violence or war, noggys and blacks, when there is hunger and death, noggys and blacks. I mean, who isnt noticing this?? and what do we do? we go there to 'help' and the white people who do that get beheaded. goddammit u stupid poop-coloured fuckers. If i would be the leader of the white supreme armies there, i would say: "fine, u dont want to be helped? go fuck yourself then". and leave the pathetic turds.

There is only one strategy i can think of to save the earth and ensure total peace and efficient use of resources to stop pollution:

Kill all noggys and blacks, EVERYWHERE.
the blacks in africa are only getting sick from aids, hopping all day, and suffering from hunger. In fact, they are suffering always. We keep helping them with sending money, BUT IT DOESNT CHANGE ONE DAMN THING. its like they wipe thier asses with it. So if we just kill all blacks there, we end their suffering, and we can start to live there. Then we can breed, and more whites are created, which is always a good thing. And we have more resources and land and food at our disposal, which only helps our development.
Next, we wipe out all noggys. That way we also kill the religion which created this situation of people being beheaded in the first place. This will also end terrorism, and offcourse, we start to live there as well, creating once again more room for us. I liked the idea of nukes, but then we also poison the land. I prefer a gene-engineered virus, which only kills blacks and noggys. AND another advantage above all these GREAT advantages, is that we end like 99% of ALL criminal activities in the white countries. Just check out the prisons or a program on TV about wanted people, it always has something to do with noggys and blacks. And in reality-shows from hospitals, people carried in with gunshot wounds, are always coloured as well. Coincedence, or is there something in there genes that makes them attractive to BULLETS?

Surely, i give every single person on this world a full right to live, but if they are just too stupid to survive, or to mess with the best (white people) DIE SHOULD DIE AND BURN IN HELL AND PARTICURALLY THOSE FUCKING ISLAMIC PUSSYS. How the fuck am i expected to 'respect' a religion like that if they dance around slaughtered animals, or dress up like morons, or kill our people, or that coloured people are always involved in criminal acts?!? plz...

Posted by: White at May 04, 2005 07:02 PM

237 the man above is soooooooo right

like general george s. Patton sed "violence solves all problems no people no problems."

the thing i hate is all the fuck-up democrats that are saying the ware in Iraq is detrimental if we were not trying to help the shut heads we could have just nuked of carpet boomed the fucks in to the ground and given them a pretty glass grave.

Do you people relies how much the better the would would be if hitler won WWII

Posted by: Tim at May 11, 2005 11:05 AM

238 This was written at the outset of the war in Iraq and is especially dedicated to the so-called "towel heads" in the Middle East and if any is reading it now, PLEASE WAKE UP!!!

If your neighbour's house is burning down, would you knowingly aid the arsonists by giving them more fuel and giving them free access into your yard to start more fire from all possible sides? And all this while discussing with the arsonists (who are also full-time, hedonistic, bully renovation contractors) about plans to rebuild the same ravaged house based on hedonistic designs? And at the end of the day, agree to these arsonists billing you for the cost of burning down the house and subsequent renovation works? I guess you would, if you yourself are the hedonistic type and prefer the stinking, decadent lifestyle led by these bullies, who are actually cousins living on opposite sides of a pond.

I suppose that in that imaginary neighbourhood, the spineless police is also in cahoots with the bullies and would ultimately classify the case as justifiable arson, supporting any allegation of fictitious crime supposedly committed by the head of household. And all that for the purpose of allowing the bullies to further terrorise and extort the people in your stinking neighbourhood with impunity. What do you get in return? More promises of a stinking, decadent lifestyle which you crave for, as portrayed gloriously by biased and hedonistic news reporters who are also the bullies' cronies. Shame on you!

However, do you know that in another part of the neighbourhood which you might consider backward, the blood of a group of wise youngsters is boiling. They are aware of this "pulling the wool over your eyes" tactic done by the bullies and believe that for the sake of stability, justice must be done and real PEACE be restored. Maybe the parents of these youngsters are moderately religious people who wear their faith on their sleeves, neither offending nor supporting the bullies, but the youngsters WILL grow up putting their faith into action, not words. So watch out bullies.

Moral of the story: Don't teach your children to befriend or become bullies and corrupt police officers. And don't expose them to too much TV such that they appreciate the lifestyle portrayed therein even more than they appreciate you.

Posted by: staunch at June 27, 2005 04:19 AM

239 I was told a story once it was about how the world was in peace and everyone was nice to eachother I was told the story of peace when I was 7 years of age on september 11, 2000 I was 10 years of age when our school was told of the plain crashing into the twin towers I had forgotten that story and I had decided to deddicate my life to my country now Im in high school and I found a way to deddicate myself to help others that way is through the army national gard and seeing these pictures is just making me want to go in the army more if people want to be terrorist to my country then fine just the had better know this MY COUNTRY IS READY NOW!!!!!!!!!! and seeing these pictures just realy make going into the army worth it.....


Posted by: myranda at July 29, 2005 02:56 PM



IS READY!!!!!!!

Posted by: hohoho at July 29, 2005 03:01 PM

241 I haven't seen any of these videos. My husband watched 'em and warned me off, quite frankly I'm not sure if I'd be able to handle the barbarity of it.

I'm not naive enough to believe that there are no innocent casualties in war. I get that, and I stand here today blessed because so many innocents were willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of peace.

Let's be realistic - those who truly desire war, those who fire the first shot, are those who are truly evil. Those of us who are left to defend ourselves in the wake of insanity really have no choice. Have any of these bleeding hearts really considered the alternative? How many 9/11's do we permit?

We are at war and it's a sad but unsurprising eventuality that has been prophesied for millenia. What thouroughly amazes me, and not in a good way, is the blind hatred of so many so called civilized people. I take issue with the leftist attitude that everything that's wrong here is the USA's fault. Have we made mistakes? Again, I'm not naive enough to believe that we're all without fault. However, to paint every American with the same brush of pigheadedness and insensitivity because of a few idiots is no better than saying that every Muslim deserves torture and ignominious death. Religion and/or nationality are not the real issue. The issue is truly what lies within the human heart. There will always be those who will use any excuse to commit acts of atrocity. (I think that some of them have found their way onto this site.... some of these entries are hateful atrocities...) On the other hand there will always be those who will use any excuse for acts of kindness.

We're at war, and it is what it is - a necessary evil made necessary by those who have hatred in their souls, who have no desire to live life by the higher standards required by peace. If we don't want these types of people to have power over our lives and futures, we have to fight them. Not with our own brand of hatred, but with the sorrow that those who try to love their fellow man would feel for being given no choice.


Posted by: Bunny at August 13, 2005 05:16 PM

242 These are quite the pictures. You should post some pictures of innocent Iraqi's that the US have killed, murdered and tortured. You will have at least 250,000 choices anyway.

Why aren't they cut'n off heads anymore? If the insurgents could get some more yanks and chop their heads off it would be tough for the yanks to stomach. Maybe some more are yanks will end up getting their heads chopped off. The Iraqi guys are pretty good at it though, it doesn't appear to take to long to naw off the guys head. How long does it take the US to blow families sleeping in their homes to smitherines?

This isn't a war, it's an illegal invasion of another country. George Bush is 10 times worse than any dictator, plus he's just plain stupid.

Posted by: Billie Bob Smith at August 26, 2005 08:43 PM

243 lewis here, where is the video of the cunts head being cut off

Posted by: lewis wank stain at September 17, 2005 02:30 PM

244 I hope someday western news channels broadcast live images of innocent iraqi parents killed in front of their w lil children.....its extremely gruesome and painful.I hope George W bush and all his allies in this notorious invasion are brought to justice for they maimed and mutilated 2 miserableand worth-of-mercy countries whose backbone was broken by decades of sanctions.

Posted by: Edwards at September 27, 2005 09:16 AM

245 this just proves what religions do to people, god damn brain wash. I cant imagine how I would have felt if I were in his positition, waiting to get beheaded =(=(=((

Posted by: yngveNorway at October 20, 2005 06:38 AM

246 I remember Mr. Hensley.. I had him for a teacher in 8th grade.. social studies, it was. He was a sweet man, and it was cute cuz he always kept a flashlight on his belt. He was very nice to us and wouldnt mind our chatty selves. It's sad what these bastards have done.. I personally think we should Nuke (sp.) them.. all of them. They all have the same beliefs, the beliefs that believe it is RIGHT to do that to a HUMAN BEING.

This is a sad world.

RIP Jack Hensley.. you were a good man.

Prayers are ALWAYS with the family.

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