CIA Agent Executed: Another Beheading Video

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Reuters (hat tip LGF):

A Web site used by Islamic militants carried a video on Wednesday purporting to show militants beheading a "CIA agent" in Iraq.

The four-minute long footage showed a Western-looking man sitting on a chair surrounded by armed masked men. One of the men struck the captive's neck repeatedly with a sword, severing his head amid shouts of "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest).

A militant later held up the severed head for the camera.

An Arabic sign placed around the man's neck identified him as a "CIA agent." The video, which could not be immediately authenticated, showed what seemed to be the captive's picture identification card with the caption "visitor."

The Web site did not say which group issued the video, nor did the masked men identify themselves or make any political statements as previous kidnappers in Iraq had.

The men could be heard speaking in the background but the audio quality was too poor to understand.

The tired-looking captive was wearing a plain shirt and trousers.

Militants in Iraq have waged a campaign of kidnapping aimed at driving out individuals, companies and troops supporting U.S. forces and the new Iraqi interim administration.

Scores of hostages have been kidnapped by armed groups. Some have been freed but at least nine have been killed -- including an American, a South Korean and a Bulgarian


UPDATE: The website has been shut down, but the URL included ansarnet in it. Possibly linking it to Ansar al Islam. You remember them, don't you? They are the al Qaeda branch that isn't in Iraq, because as we all know, there was not al Qaeda connection.

UPDATE II: May I just also ad, that the so-called proof that the man was a CIA Agent was that he had a VISITOR ID tag on him. Can anyone imagine a real CIA Agent hanging around Northern Iraq carrying his VISITOR tag? I'm going to go out on a limb here--no, this mere speculation, nothing more--the victim here might well have been a local with some contact with the provisional government. Since Ansar al Islam has their stronghold in what is now Kurdish occupied territory, chances are this man has some connection to the Kurdish government. It should also be remembered that the CIA has been operating in Kurdistan since the end of the Gulf War. It is also likely that hundreds, if not more, Kurds have been taken out of country for CIA backed training over the last dozen years. This would go a long way in explaining why the CIA is denying reports that one of their agents is missing and the VISITOR ID on the victim.

The video is real. Someone died. The hoax may be that he was a CIA officer.

I'm no expert, but the victim appears to either be unconscience or already deceased.

Above: Alleged Proof of Victims Identity

Further pictures are very gruesome. Proceed with extreme caution to extended entry below.

Also on the trail: Jeff Quinton, Command Post, Slant Point, MH King, In the Bullpen, Rooftop Report, Amanda Doerty

Warning, these are very offensive and graphic. They show the kind of enemy we are dealing with.
Last warning. Very offensive material. I hope these sons of bitches die!


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I have the entire video, but it is too long for my host. Below, you will find links to three horrible clips. The first is of the terrorists posing in a kind of yearbook photo, right before they behead the victim. The second and third one are truly awful and should make you mad. Very mad.

Download file 1
Download file 2
Download file 3

Full video can be downloaded from NIN

Slant Point also hosting full video here.

Amanda Doerty has more pics.

Posted by: Rusty at 03:13 PM


1 Animals!

How long can the world get away with painting the US as the greater evil?

Posted by: Rtfm at August 11, 2004 03:31 PM

2 As long as Noam Chomsky is considered a great intellectual.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at August 11, 2004 04:23 PM

3 Dammit!! Using Medical expertise on the other videos, with their eyes covered, they were deceased when their heads were so grotesquely and barbaricly for shock value, beheaded. I think some were dead even before the video was made. As an example, I'll use Kim Sun Il and the reasoning behind this one is that with all his whining and scared talking and hysterical yelling, there was no way in hell he was going to kneel in front of them with his hands tied, legs tied, eyes covered while they executed him. Uh huh! But to already take someone and do it is still sickening. I know beheadings are normal over there but not the way they are doing it - they do it in such a way for the maximal shock effect but I'm really getting tired of this crap. Why don't we just nuke em all??

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at August 11, 2004 05:54 PM

4 RTFM: the reason the world sees us as the bad guys is because this stuff is not shown on our tv's so the Americans have no idea about these savage, brutal, barbaric, totally sickening videos and like a lot of us who post these and host these we do it for a reason: to show the rest of the country what we are really up against when it comes to terrorists. WE SHOULD NEVER FORGET 9/11 and how that made us feel even if we look at old pictures and videos to the music "only time" still makes me cry like a baby. I want to host these videos because I want everyone to see how UGLY and EVIL these bastards are and how we just cannot sit back and let this happen. I'm not sure if this guy was an American or if he was a civilian from another country or lived there in Iraq. maybe not cia. It's gotta end, but what's the answer? What arabic tv showed this? or was it found on the internet? Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya are shut down. Now this brigade, why do they sound familiar? Who else have they taken? Who's holding the diplomat? The world needs to see this stuff so they can get as angry as any normal human being should get over something like this and put an end to it everywhere in this world. It's that simple. ARGH !!!!!!!!!! On TV, it's Scott Peterson murder trial....... I mean, there are more important things even though that is horrible, so is what Mark Hacking did to his wife - there is no excuse for that - both of them will spend their lives behind bars BUT these people are so COWARDLY, they have to cover their faces - WHY??? Man!!! Thanks for staying on top of things, Rusty. Let's spread the word - ALL OF US!!!

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at August 11, 2004 06:15 PM

5 Oh he's definitely deceased. Sick or what? But he has a strange resemblence to John Kerry, don't you think?
(I had to do a funny, couldn't resist.)

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at August 12, 2004 03:06 PM

6 do the three of you just visit each other's blogs all day and try and stir up debate with your blind support for a corrupt regime (the Bush regime, that is)?

when the next american revolution does come around, guys like you will be on the losing side...

Posted by: walawala at August 15, 2004 01:44 PM

7 Yes, each of us gets exactly three hits a day--one from each of us.

Also, which revolution would that be? The Islamic revolution which will seek to impose sharia law on us? Or maybe the Communist revolution which will send the likes of us to the gulag? Or maybe it is a fascist revolution which will censor us? Yeah, a 'corrupt' Pres would be much worse than all of those.

Posted by: RS at August 15, 2004 06:28 PM

8 i agree with you guys-- i saw all the videos--and for the guys who being beheaded i hope they were dead before it happened---i feel that they were alive--these sick fucks over there love this shit---i think we should nuke em and just pave over iraq---tell the whole country if u dont want to die leave give them 48 hrs than drop it!!!

Posted by: mike at August 21, 2004 09:48 AM

9 This does not surprise me at all, but, it sure is sick crap,and, also the french,germans and soviet union(yes I
said soviet union)because I still believe thats what they
are,hell putin was the kgb leader,so what does that say
about there government. He even stopped his apponents
from advertising on t.v.,and on radio.And thats an election!
The president needs to put out all info. on the Oil for
Food Program,that will show every one who the culprits
really are.There is Some reason why he has not brought it out, I have heard about france and the others making deals
with saddam hussein , during the sanctions ,and also they
did not want saddam out of office,they were making big

Posted by: Tom McCollum at August 25, 2004 12:57 PM

10 Hope Bush gets the balls and fucking nukes the entire fucking country. Let them all suffer i can give a flying shit

Posted by: John at August 25, 2004 06:34 PM

11 I think this person (supposedly CIA agent) was still alive.

I think they saw that he was an American CIA agent (from ID papers) and beat him up really badly. Must have had a severe beating.

These people are not Iraqis. They are foreign islamic Al Qaeda groups (mostly recruited from Saudi ARabia, Egypt, Jordan, Libya, Persian Gulf countries etc) flocking to Iraq to cause trouble.

They even shoot Iraqis (their own kind ie. muslims/arabs) that work for the US army like Iraqi women who do the laundry for US military and Iraqi translaters.

Iraqis would never bomb their own with car bombings. It never happened when Saddam Hussein was in power.

Car bombings & beheadings are an Al Qaeda hallmark.

I mean look at that American contractor (Mr Hamil) that was kidnapped in Iraq by Iraqi militants. They treated him humanely and well for a month before he escaped. If the Zarqawi group had captured him I think he would have been beheaded.

I noticed almost all of these beheadings are done by the Jordanian Al Qaeda linked Zarqawi group. Because if you look at their flag in the background it's a black flag with yellow sun in the middle. This is their group.

I mean look at Jessica Lynch, she was injured combatant, the Iraqis took her to a hospital and even put her in an Iraqi ambulance and drove her to an American checkpoint to return her but they were fired upon by trigger happy US soldiers.

I think the CIA agent was so demoralized and was already prepared for death that he didn't want to put up any physical resistance. He knew it was hopeless and they were going to kill him anyway.

He's obviously alive because one of the terrorists told him to open his eyes and he did so weakly and also he lifted his hands up and down a few times.

I don't think he was dead when they beheaded him. I think he gave up all hope and said let them get it over with.

His jaw looks broken and his eyes is all bruised. He must have gotten a severe beating.

Remember there are many different groups operating in Iraq.

There are even news reports of some Iraqi groups that have threatened to kill Zarqawi and his terrorist group because they claim Zarqawi has killed scores of innocent Iraqis and have beheaded foreingers. They don't all work hand in hand.

Posted by: John Doe at August 26, 2004 11:11 AM

12 My husband is middle eastern and hates muslims, thinks they are animals. The arabs forced their religion on Iran as they were zorastians, not muslims. He is a citizen of the US is voting for Bush and he said that he would personally fight for this country. I think we should be more aggressive in dealing with these sub humans.

Posted by: Louella Kamkar at September 01, 2004 02:33 PM

13 this is the same shit as nom just differant country differant tacks

Posted by: doc at September 02, 2004 03:31 PM

14 I am mad, Bush got us into this mess, I wish they'd decaptitate him! i would pay for that.

Posted by: Erik at September 19, 2004 01:00 PM

15 Believing that all this beheading is carried out by Muslims, is like believing in Santa Claus or Father Christmas.
It's something you are "trained" to believe, by forces who use such lies to get your backing for their regieme. It is no accident that they picked such a gruesome specticle. Physological warfare is one of their specialties, and they are NOT Muslims, but basicly athiests hiding behind a religion, with an overwhelming thirst to rule the world. That should be a clue.
Of course it's gruesome, but don't let your knee-jerk reaction make you believe their lies as to their identity. By believing their lies, you are playing into their hands.
Research. Learn who they REALLY are, and you will truely be angry - as you should be - but at the right group!

Posted by: I. C. at September 19, 2004 04:50 PM

16 I am sick to watch another beheading... we keep trying to help people who dont want it. i say take it off the map !!

three family members back from the war.. they all bleed red white and blue !! never forget 9-11 people... no matter what they show us ..

Posted by: chelle at September 20, 2004 06:39 PM


Posted by: FUCK THOSE ASS HOLES at September 21, 2004 12:49 AM

18 How Would Laura Bush feel if it was Georgie being beheaded!...Those hostages had no 'Bush' to hide behind..If Al Gore had won the election(rightfully so) we would not be in this situation. Now Bush is going to keep on campaighning making his'record dollars for republican financing election'...he should give the 270 million to the families who have been maliciously murdered...and drop out as a president!..HE IS A FUCKING MORON!!

Posted by: dixie at September 21, 2004 04:57 PM

19 Oh my. I know that patriots do not feel that way, only the naive that have no idea what Islam is about. They don't hate us because of Bush..they hate us because of Jimmy Carter. Had he left Iran alone and not funded Iraq to fight a war with Iran, we would not have this situation on our hands. All of you blaming Bush should do your homework and find out how and when this started. What you see now is years of neglecting the facts. Not much can be accomplished when a President is being blown in the oval office. I voted for Clinton and worked on his campaign, this is why they hate us. Our freedom disturbs them, they must control their people and kill all the infidels. Wake up, they are now in South Ameica recruiting and are in Mexico. Let's get beyond blame and know that these animals would be doing this to us regardless of whom is President. Did everyone already forget WTCI bombing while Clinton was President? Please read the history.....a book "What went wrong? by Bernard Lewis, would be a good start.

Posted by: Louella Kamkar at September 22, 2004 02:55 PM

20 they r barbaric,saddam used that same tactics .
he knew that arabs and d likes should be ruled with an iron hand......

Posted by: oruthra at September 23, 2004 12:05 AM

21 Oh Dixie. AL GORE? Al Gore? What would he have done, beat up Al Quada with a tree, Mr. Environmentlist? He is the MORON, and a deeply troubled one at that! He and Dean are so unhinged and on the verge of a straight jacket, that they could never ever wear a full metal jacket, let alone be President.

Posted by: Louella at September 23, 2004 06:24 PM

22 dunno

Posted by: coatesy at September 27, 2004 06:14 PM

23 "Also, which revolution would that be? The Islamic revolution which will seek to impose sharia law on us? Or maybe the Communist revolution which will send the likes of us to the gulag? Or maybe it is a fascist revolution which will censor us? Yeah, a 'corrupt' Pres would be much worse than all of those."

No, The democratic revoultion that will remove redneck jack off's like you from power and run a war that goes the right way and kills terrorists.. you showing beheaded pics make you no better than those camel screwers in Iraq.. you are in same pile of human vermin as Osama is.

Posted by: Mike at September 30, 2004 12:53 PM

24 One must face the reality of life and the fact that there are animals trying to kill us. No one saw the atrocities of HITLER and did not want to face the truth and dismissed his actions which later led to the crimes he committed.

This is no different. Showing what the extremist are doing may be offensive to some, but a wake up call to the rest of us that select to pay attention to reality. Don't look or watch if truth offends you. Stick you head back in the sand and pretend this is not happening.

Posted by: Louella at October 02, 2004 03:43 AM

25 Yeah Mike, those trying to inform the public as to what the terrorists are like, are the same as terrorists slowly, methodically sawing the heads off of random people. You sound l ike an awfully bright one. Where's the foundation for special children in your name?

Posted by: KA at October 08, 2004 02:49 PM

26 If Tony Blair or Bush were sitting in those chairs appealing for their lives, negotiations would indeed start!!!

Posted by: Me at October 09, 2004 05:49 AM

27 Quote from their own holy book (The Koran) verse 9:11....Their fate is sealed and the Eagle soars on.....

KORAN 9:11

For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some people trembled in despair still more rejoiced, for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace.

Posted by: Louella at October 14, 2004 02:39 PM


Posted by: LouellaK at October 16, 2004 04:13 PM

29 I say send all of the Iraqis back to Iraq and pull our people out and NUKE that whole country.
People say Oh there are children there, they grow up trained to be terrorists sorry oops.
Tell that to the victims families here of the soldier that was killed by a 12 year old

Posted by: KC at November 10, 2004 08:47 AM

30 Probably when the Iraqi come over here invade our land, i suppose you wont do anything to them?

I remember WWII when we got into war with japs all japanese in our towns was brutalized, tortured and to tell the truth these japs was our neighbour & friends just a few days before....

When you brutalize them dont expect them to just submit. they will take their revenge 1 way or another!

That soldier dead killed by a 12 year old Iraqi warrior - thats a shame on us and heroic for them.

We got our story ond they got theirs.

Posted by: Nancy Hill at November 23, 2004 08:38 AM

31 you people have no idea what is about to happen i am watching you and one day i will Kill i am the best agent
in the world i will hunt you down you killed lots of people and for that i will kill you and one more thing i am wacthing you all the time you are dealing with the best agent in the world i might not kill now but i will so wactch out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@You moter f***ers

Posted by: SOME ONE ??? at November 30, 2004 11:32 PM

32 FUCK all of u ass holes u dont know shit about the prez. did any of u morons vote i hope not u dont deserve the right to vote. get your sorry puthetic excuse for heads out of your asses!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Les at December 14, 2004 10:06 AM

33 FUCK all of u ass holes u dont know shit about the prez. did any of u morons vote i hope not u dont deserve the right to vote. get your sorry puthetic excuse for heads out of your asses!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Les at December 14, 2004 10:06 AM

34 I voted for Kerry! lol but our great nation has more stupid ppl than i thought! That is why bush won

Posted by: yeaivoted at December 21, 2004 04:50 PM

35 wow...everyone's so caught up about what's happening seems that ppl aren't looking at the injustices going on in our own country...yes, 9/11 was horrible but it DID NOT unify our country by any about you start looking at the terrorist organizations in our own country (the KKK for example, who bombed black churches and terrorized and killed thousands and thousands of underrepresented minorities in this country and are, to this very day, spreading a message of hatred and using violent tactics)...but, then again, i guess its easier to get the focus off of our own country's problems...

Posted by: jane doe at January 22, 2005 04:19 PM

36 The US was unified immediately after 9/11. Bush and his crew made sure it didn't last. Some of the most decisive political decisions ever. What a crying shame it is.

Posted by: Shackleberry, Major James at February 26, 2005 01:59 PM

37 I meant to say devisive, not decisive.

Posted by: Shackleberry, Major James at February 26, 2005 02:01 PM

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Posted by: shotah at March 08, 2005 09:34 PM

39 fuck u alqaeda 'sons of bitches'

Posted by: vijay shetty at March 13, 2005 12:47 AM

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Posted by: christian love at March 23, 2005 03:44 PM

41 I have been to war. I have fought in Iraq. Our working class kids are dying, their working class kids are dying. So long as y'all scream about nuking them and they cut off heads the rich will keep laughing all the way to the bank. If you think this war is worth it, pick up a rifle, go to Iraq and learn. Bush and Blair will never be shot, bombed or beheaded... And they started it. Wake up world, its your kids that die for their comfort...

Posted by: Soldier at March 30, 2005 02:53 PM


Posted by: Kurdo at April 29, 2005 06:49 AM

43 Poor's a campaign led by evangelists to "liberate" the oil reserves in iraq and to further consolidate in the middle east.Muslims are no different than christians and jews.And 9/11 is a puppet's game for you nationalist losers

Posted by: Turk at May 05, 2005 10:44 AM

44 i may be muslim but when i watch these videos and see what the muslim world out there is like it just makes me wana puke, and i just feel like not being called a 'muslim' .. It embarresses me and just makes me feel low, its a load of fucking shit.

if i ever got caught by a terrorist, i would rather kill myself than let them dirty pigs touch me.

Posted by: yahya at May 07, 2005 02:19 PM

45 omfg wat the hell is those pics of you never know wat kin of little kids can be looking here i just caught my 8 year old son on here and was coping the whole thing! wat such idiots!

Posted by: blah at May 20, 2005 12:39 AM


Posted by: farrukh at May 23, 2005 04:12 AM

47 Think guys! Do you really wanna drop a bomb on iraq or is it just the anger left from the video?
Actually by reading the comments on this website i thought it was a joke, but than i realised it is not. How can you be so cursorily and irately?
I know the anger is driving you to such comments but not everyone in iraq is a terrorist! Guys do you only watch or read right wing channels or newspapers? Don't you ever wanna know what the other side says? Or maybe you pretend to your self that you got a view of the other oppion but have you ever watched a political neutral documentary? of course not! There are no neutral perspectives in the U.S. television! It is allways supporting a political view. Have you ever thought of beeing a victim of propaganda yourself?

Posted by: Think! at May 26, 2005 03:41 PM

48 cop this

Posted by: hotedup at June 19, 2005 09:27 AM

49 i think our president who ever it is needs to take changes now!!! if he does not do anything were gonna have to suffer for four more years untill we get a new one then hopefully well have one that will stop this if not we u.s.a are gonna be dead the bombings will come all of the time till they take us down!!for goodand we dont defintly want that do we?and what the hell is our soldiers dieing for if were not even really in war?

Posted by: peter at June 24, 2005 05:58 PM

50 The only reason the U.S. stepped in to the middle east was because as usual everyone else was turning their heads away at the suffering of people in other lands. Other countries seem to think that if its is outside of their borders, it's none of their buisness. These are the same kind of people who try to cover ears during evening dinner while the next door neighor is beating the shit out of his family. The only reason why other countries helped us out during Hitlers time was because they were paranoid about their own turf, it being so close the the " fatherland." If it wasn't for the USA stepping in, who fought Hitler for moral reasons..not "turf", the entire planet would be speaking german right now. What make me even sicker is the fact that my own citizens are calling their own troops Nazi and killers. Turning your head at the acts of terrorism is a crime in itself. These fanatics are true monsters. Now I agree that a more democratic approach should be enforced ( hunt terroist down in the shadows, plant agents into oraganizations to catch them at their weakest) Bush's approach is a bit too cowboy. Yet it doesn't really matter does it? Even if the democrats were playing ball, half the world would still have a hissy fit over us " playing police" and still burn our flags to show to us that " violence begets violence" Are you kidding me? The USA has always attempted to share technology, bridge the gaps, has been bent on the planets entire freedom from opression. If that means knocking down our neighbors fence because that asshole is treating his own citizens like dogs so it get sit back, smoke cigars, and take the lazy approach to running a goverment, then so be it. The world needs to let the old systems of goverment go. People need to realize that the old self-rightous way of thought will not be tolerated anymore. We have built our own system where a person could be whatever they want to be. Make as much money as they want to make. Sure crime is a bitch when the threat isn't a beheading or castration. Alot of our criminals are more pampered than they were on the outside. Freedom, and i said true freedom is a pain in the ass to run, but it's worth it. It's funny when I see these liberal assholes whine about peace. If it wasn't for us and our freedom to invent what comes to mind, we wouldn't be on this fucking site. People don't realize that the terrorist have been pissing in everybody's pools for decades, they have opressed people for not buying in to their ideals, and because of that they have killed innocent people. These fanatics hate freedom. What pisses them off more is that our country has fought others, and even our selves, to ensure that when you come here you are truly free. We arn't saints(slavery was an embarrasment and just plain cruel) but we have learned from that. People who refused to get involved are nothing but traders to what could be a better world. I speak too of the big mouth hippie wannabes in my own USA as well. Its funny that if we do get taken over by terroist( which is rediculous since bin laden himself is embarrassed by the incompitence of fellow terrorist) you think you'll be safe then? Don't be surprised one bit if Korea goes completey apeshit amd tries to take over the world. You think they are going to listen to your pleas of peace?
Well good luck with that.

Posted by: named at July 02, 2005 06:53 AM

51 Someone on here said that these terrorist are not Muslims. I agree. They may be shouting Allah this and Allah that, but this is more of a fanatical take like Jim Jones, or Charles Manson. Both men thought they were gods and convinced others they were too. This current situation is along the same lines. True Muslims arn't like that, just like a true Christians don't wear white hoods and burn crosses on peoples lawns. Or why true Buddist's don't grab another monk and start bitch slapping him because he is differant Catch my drift? During the worshipping at Mecca, white people, black people, asians people, all people join together in peace. Terrorist are complete opposites, coming off more spiritual cracksmokers with political hatred.
Open your eyes kids.
Cause when they get ahold of those weapons of mass destruction..
Game over.
All progress during gameplay will be lost as well.

Posted by: named at July 02, 2005 07:13 AM

52 as a soldier serving over in the middle east
i think of my fondest memories , as i add notiches to my 240B after wasting these ppl
im proud blowing them away.
if anyone remebers there history , we never gave a shit about dropping bombs on cities ,Berlin, Rothenberg,Toyko, Hanoi.
i think we should group together all the media with these ppl in a mass, and open fire with 50.cals on live TV.

Posted by: blackthorn at September 10, 2005 11:30 AM

53 im sorry but what do u expect frm these ppl? america invades THEIR country and u expect them to lay on their backs? u must b an idiot to think that(no offence.
dnt tlk about innocent, cos theres thoussands off innocent ppl/ children who would b live today it wasnt for bush murdering them. it takes two to tango
what goes around comes around, all fairs in love and war.
btw it was an illegal war therefore the war itself can b seen as terrist act, ever thought of that, its funny how ONLY an only america thinks they can serve justice...WHAT JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: diane at October 16, 2005 07:04 PM

54 Go to hell Diane. You have probably never left the states and are the first person with your hand out when something in your life goes bad. I've been all over the world to "third world" countries and the Muslims are an absolute drain on the world. Go study history and find out what the catalyst was for the Crusades. Peace loving religion? Negative. They are thieves and murderers. Now give me more ammo and a clear line of sight. Hope to hear from you.

Posted by: Scottfree at November 03, 2005 10:39 AM

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