Rusty's Plan for ISIS, Europe, and Pretty Much Everything from Now On

What have I learned over the past decade and a half? No matter how hard we try, there's nothing we can do to bring peace and stability to the Middle East. So, we shouldn't try.

So, my plan for ISIS? Nothing. We should do absolutely nothing.

If ISIS is a threat to people in Syria, it's time for them to pick up guns and fight back. Ok, some have fought back, but for young men of military age who are able to fight the option cannot be live in a refugee camp or migrate to Europe. The option has to be live under ISIS or fight. No other choices.

If Europe really wanted to end the conflict, they'd start sending "refugees" back home with rifles. And TOWs.

It's their problem, let them solve it.

Think of it as a sort of "draft" for refugees. Even in our own most righteous war, most of our soldiers didn't volunteer. There's a good chance that your grandfather didn't volunteer, he was drafted. 61% of service members in WWII were drafted.

And if they can't or won't fight and win, then ISIS gets a state. And if this state is such a threat to its neighbors in Iraq or Jordan or Turkey, then let Iraq or Jordan or Turkey fight them.

And if ISIS wins, then let the Europeans fight them.

It's time for the rest of the world to start pulling their own weight. I'm done with helping out countries in the Middle East. Protecting maps that I did not help draw and which need to be redrawn any way.

But Rusty, you might say, what about Israel?!? The same goes with Israel. I support Israel's right to self defense, but as far as I can tell the only people helped by our "support" of Israel since the mid 1970s have been Israel's enemies.

Wars start for many reasons, but one of those reasons is that new conflicts are often a continuation of the unresolved conflict. WWI didn't really end until the Russians left nary a building standing in Berlin in May of 1945.

There are also many reasons Europe has seen it's most peaceful 70 years in its long, bloody history. One of those reasons, though, is the mass ethnic cleansing that took place after WWII. Today there are very few Germans in the Sudetenland, few Poles left in Ukraine, and East Prussia not even a glimmer of a memory in the mind of Leftist protesters.

Part of the price of European peace and prosperity were paid by the millions killed in the war and displaced by the policies of "population exchange".

If the Middle East must go up in flames, then it's a tragedy, but it's not our tragedy. My instincts say that the Kurds and Israelis would come out on top of such a conflict. And these are pretty much the only two groups of people in the region that I give any amount of a damn about.

I say pretty much because such a regional conflict would also involve a lot of Christians in the cross hairs. Such Christians really ought to get together and come up something akin to Zionism. Since they are not safe in any Muslim majority country, it's time to leave and create their own state. If it was me I'd let them have as much of Lebanon as they could take by force, but I'm also not opposed them deciding where to go on their own terms.

Now, I know we don't live in the idealized world in which other peoples and other countries are prepared to solve their own problems. But whether they are capable of solving those problems becomes a moot point when we intervene and solve the problem for them. As long as we keep promising security, these peoples and countries will never take that security into their own hands.

I think the real problem here is that we have fooled ourselves into believing that human nature has changed. We cannot live with the idea of large scale war and suffering. When people suffer we must intervene, because .... suffering!

But war is just human nature writ large. Either fallen man or survival of the fittest, either explanation will do. People kill one another. It's bad, but people are bad. A person may be good, but not people.

People are going to suffer, no matter what we do. But trying to remove the symptoms often only prolong problems generally and in the Middle East specifically.

Not intervening and letting this thing work itself out is not an optimum solution, but when dealing with human affairs there rarely is an optimum solution.

Which is why, if we must intervene -- and I don't believe that we must -- then the next least worst option is -- and by this I mean less worse than the sort of intervening we are doing now which puts us in the forefront of ISIS's crosshairs without actually doing much damage to ISIS -- is ....

It's like Alderaan. It is as brutal as it seems, but there's no arguing that Alderaan was no longer a problem after the Death Star incident.

Posted by: Rusty at 01:43 PM

Comments

1 Not much mention of Russia or it's expanding empire. Putin hit the tip jar this week?

Posted by: wilbeforce at November 21, 2015 02:43 PM

2 President Obama's I will withdraw from iraq and not go back in with ground troops come hell or high water! Also I will not hang bush and the neo-con traitors for getting us into iraq and 9-11 treason. WRONG! Obama should have gone back in with sufficient force and sent them marching down pennsylvania on their way to iraq between bush and the neo-con traitors hanging from lamp posts!

Posted by: captain*arizona at November 21, 2015 03:19 PM

3 It seems to me that Russia is more of a threat to Europe, than us. Now that we're no longer in an ideological war with them, what's the point in defending a Europe unwilling to spend the money and resources to defend themselves?

Posted by: Rusty at November 21, 2015 03:30 PM

4 Yep, in the words of one former conqueror, Kill them all and let God sort them out.

Posted by: The Realist of Qld at November 21, 2015 04:13 PM

5 OK, Yes they should defend themselves or submit.
Problem: Who Is supplying weapons to whom?
Worse: Who is Not being supplied; And their chances against a armed opponent.
IF, the wannabe king wants to get in it: Nuke it from space. it is the only way to be sure.
Next problem: The wannabe king and the dysfunctional Borg rep. want us to be disarmed And import jihadis here.
"Watcha gonna do when they come for you?"
Molon Labe.

Posted by: Kafiroon at November 21, 2015 04:50 PM

6 An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last... Churchill

Let's see if this opinion changes when eventually Isis pulls a "Paris" in the US

It's in everyone's interest to see Isis go. And maybe people are bad but it seems like today there is one religion in particular causing a disproportionate amount of trouble.

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at November 21, 2015 05:32 PM

7 Op Cut and Run. Drop winter parkas, not bombs.

Posted by: PM Trudeau at November 21, 2015 06:41 PM

8 Greetings:

Sorry, but while going after ISIS big-time is not a bad idea, Islam, itself, is the millstone. It's nothing more than the globalization of predatory 7th Century A.D. Arab tribal cultural under a thin veneer of religion. And if you plan doesn't include constraining, undermining, or eradicating Islam, itself, you don't have a plan. What you have is a hope.

LIke geographical sanctary, ideological sanctuary will get you killed.

Posted by: 11B40 at November 21, 2015 10:06 PM

9 If you armed these "refugees" with rifles and tow missiles they would just defect to the strong horse (isis) with what they are carrying.

Posted by: rumcrook at November 21, 2015 10:10 PM

10 ...and the refugee problem? Yeah, when some group of murderous assholes decides to get serious, people seem to be eager to leave. Do we take them in? Do we close borders? What do we do?

I think we can't ignore what is going on there.

Posted by: Gork at November 21, 2015 10:37 PM

11 In other words we need Noah.
Except for Israel and the Kurds we need to drown it all away and start over.

Posted by: Brett at November 22, 2015 12:35 AM

12 I agree 100% it is their problem, and we are not only NOT the WORLDS POLICEMEN we are not the WORLDS DAYCARE for refugees.
They need to stay and change the place or simply live with it.
If they bring it to us though....well Bang a Nuclear Gong and get it on for real.
I for one am sick and tired of Islam and it's killers and refugees.

Posted by: obsidian at November 22, 2015 10:57 AM

13 #2. There is plenty of room on those hanging places for everyone, don't be too quick to call for hanging anyone if I was you, the final victims of the guillotine were the ones who cried out to behead the former King and such.
Once your folks get done hanging GW Bush they will be thirsty for more people to join him, you may not like their choices.

Posted by: obsidian at November 22, 2015 11:01 AM

14 Rusty
So we hand major oil producing regions and Europe to Russia and their allies du jour, how did that work out last time? This war is inevitable and the longer we delay the worse it will be.

Posted by: wilbeforce at November 22, 2015 01:15 PM

15 Unfortunately any serious handling of this problem will have to wait until the 'dogshit in chief' is gone and a President willing to act upon his oath is in the WhiteHouse.

Unfortunately it will be cheaper to help our allies fix this threat BEFORE it is lapping at our shores. Perhaps developing is a will by them to do so (which would be a major problem if they are not).

Posted by: brablebingun at November 22, 2015 08:17 PM

16 A few thoughts:
We can be 100% energy independent...Just not under democrat rule.
No Muslim States in the ME want ANY Syrian refugees...so why do we?
Putin wants to fight and lead...Let him fight and lead...
Assad is better than our alternative.
The invasion of Iraq was wrong...Bush was wrong, but so was Hillary and her vote of support.
Muslims hate us by creed not by nature.
Go to Mass, Repent, .....You were told this was not going to end with Unicorns and Hugs.

Posted by: Brad at November 23, 2015 12:01 AM

17 You know, I went back to my comment here and re-read it.

Boy, am I dumb! Vote Trump/Cruz 2016!!

Let's Make America Great again and Keep America American!

Posted by: kapitano*arizona, NOW with brains! at November 23, 2015 03:24 AM

18 maybe you will like mrs. clinton better as she will be are next president as she will crush who ever the republiscum put up when they denigh trump the nomination and he runs third party for being cheated out of the nomination.

Posted by: captain*arizona at November 23, 2015 03:35 AM

19 hillary for jail in 2016

Posted by: brablebingun at November 23, 2015 05:17 AM

20 Off-Topic: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34845882

Yep. The story of Zouheir, the supposed Muslim Hero in Paris who had turned away a suicide bomber --was bogus. Never happened.

Why am I not surprised?

Posted by: Gork at November 23, 2015 08:21 AM

21 Too late.
3 hours ago: Paris attacks: France launches anti-IS strikes from carrier

Posted by: Phil at November 23, 2015 02:28 PM

22 We ignored Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. We see how that went.

Posted by: A Moron from AZ at November 23, 2015 07:34 PM

23 Had an idea, thought I'd run it up the pole and see if anyone salutes...

We don't want to get on the ground with ISIS, after Iraq and knowing how that turned out that is a good point. So what if we don't?

Announce that ISIS wants to live in the 7th Century so we plan to assist. Contact the owners of the telecom and electric grids in ISIS held territory and announce that as of today they are to switch it off until such time as ISIS isn't in control of an area. That we give them this option to speed the rebuilding but it isn't exactly a volunteer thing either.... Three days after the first announcement we plan on knocking down any cell towers or phone switches still radiating RF and any generating stations still running. Same for TV/radio broadcasts. How long do they survive without Facebook and other social media? Apparently the Jihadis love it as much or more than teens in the West. Then there is the whole sitting the dark thing, not fun at all. And it is something a purely air campaign is able to accomplish.

A week later cut all fuel supplies so generators come to a halt and all vehicle traffic soon comes to a stop.

Into the radio quiet zone thus created it should be pretty easy to locate any remaining activity and considering the nature of ISIS assume anything still lit up or emitting radio frequency energy is ISIS and drop some Kaboom! on it. Drive them into the stone age, for real.

Posted by: John Morris at November 23, 2015 08:30 PM

24 @19 mrs. clinton would have to be indicted by mostly black grand jury in washington and then convicted by all black jury who hate republicans. how did that work out in john hinckley trial? black people hate republiscum even more today over obama attacks.

Posted by: captain*arizona at November 24, 2015 04:36 AM

25 Gee Rusty sounds like you are going a bit "squishy" there.
Cut and run? We must fight them there or else they will follow us back home? We can't let all those who have given there all die in vain?
We are (almost) at the tipping point? These latest attacks just show how desperate the terrorists are?

Posted by: righter at November 24, 2015 08:36 AM

26 Anne Frank's father applied for a refugee visa, got denied.

Posted by: righter at November 24, 2015 08:38 AM

27 I can't believe you would post this, especially when Howie is gone

Posted by: righter at November 24, 2015 08:39 AM

28 So I guess "all options are on the table" is now off the table regarding Iran?

Posted by: righter at November 24, 2015 08:44 AM

29 Welp, unfortunately the problem over there ends up becoming a problem over here. Why? Because this is an imperialist movement we are talking about. There is a lot to be said for Pax Americana. Much of the developed world has enjoyed peace since WWII because we provided stability in much of the world.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 29, 2015 01:54 AM






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