"Canteen Boy" and the Super Gays

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Hello people, my name is Rusty Shackleford and I blog here occasionally.

So the Boy Scouts of America has decided that it's okay for gay men to go camping with your supple and lithe 15 year old sons. What could possibly go wrong?

As a long time supporter of the Boy Scouts I'm a bit confused by the reasoning. I think it goes something like: discrimination is bad, mmmkay, and gays should be treated like every one else.

Okay, sure, that's reasonable. Let's treat them like every one else.

But what you are asking is to treat them differently. In fact, you are asking us to believe a lie.

There are many kinds of lies out there. One of those lies is that gay men are more prone to pedophilia then straight men. I know of no statistical or anecdotal evidence for this. It's a disgusting stereotype.

But there is strong evidence that many men, indeed perhaps most men, are attracted to people who may be much younger than them. I'm not talking about pedophilia here, just the normal -- and I do intentionally mean normal -- male attraction to youth.

This is an uncomfortable fact to most us. The fact that many men are attracted to people who are say, 16 or 17 years old, is very uncomfortable to think about. It becomes more uncomfortable for us the younger that gets. As we all know, some 14 year olds are fully developed. This isn't something we like to think about. It is something polite society almost never talks about.

As a father of both teenage girls and boys it makes me uncomfortable. I handle the discomfort with many guns and plenty of ammunition. I don't like to think about it. I don't like to talk about it.

But comfortable or not, these facts remain: that men have always been and will always be attracted to youth.

Which is why if Howie suggested that he take your teenage daughters camping you'd react the same way I would: by showing him your Remington 870 and politely showing him the door.

And it's not just because Howie is a perv. It's because Howie is a man.

Denying Howie his weekend with your daughters isn't an unstated accusation that he is worse than the average man, it is only an admission that he is no better than the average man.

And this is precisely the problem I have with gay Scout leaders.

You are asking me to believe that gay men are better than straight men. That gay men, as a group, have conquered the unfortunate yet natural attraction men have to teenagers. That gay men, as a group, are in fact supernatural. They, and they alone, have overcome male nature.

We do not allow grown men to take our teenage daughters camping even when we add the kinds of safeguards that the Boy Scouts have added in recent years in order to prevent abuse. Safeguards such as men and boys must sleep in separate tents, or that there must be at least two adults present with a Scout, etc, etc.

The fact remains that even with these safeguards it still would make me uncomfortable for an adult male to be camping with my teenage daughters in a supervisory capacity. I simply wouldn't allow it. Because men are fickle creatures. We are tempted. We are weak.

But not gay men, right? Gay men are so much better than the rest of us that they would not be tempted. Or, if tempted, they are not so weak as the rest of mankind. They can resist. They will not look upon your teenage boys with any amount of lust. They, and they alone, have overcome! Hallelujah, thank the Lord, they have overcome!

It's almost as if you believe them to be die Herrenrass, the Master Race.

And if that is the case, perhaps we should put them in charge of ... everything.

Having overcome the human condition, I'm sure they could easily solve all the world's ills. Just think, with these superior beings in charge hunger would be a thing of the past. War something we read about only in books.

Those who believe gay men have overcome the human condition are not asking the rest of us to accept gay Scoutmasters because they believe in equality.

They are asking us to accept gay Scoutmasters for the opposite reason: gays are not equal to straights, they are better than us.

Equality: I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Here's the Canteen Boy sketch. Sure, Canteen Boy is supposed to be "27 years old", but yeah, right, whatever. I actually think it's funny. Tragedy and comedy are kind of two sides to the same coin. And make no mistake, this is exactly what the BSA has voted for. Comedy gold when it's Alec Baldwin coming on to Adam Sandler. Tragic when he's coming on to your 16 year old son.

So long BSA, and thanks for all the fish!

UPDATE: For those of you who may be slow, or maybe you just never thought of the difference because, let's face it, polite society demands (demands!) that we don't think about unpleasant things (let alone two or three unpleasant things), I'm going to clarify a point some of the commenters don't seem to get.

Namely this: that some people use the word "molest" or "molestation" to describe all sorts of actions, but which really cover three separate bad things.

The first, is pedophelic child molestation. You know what that means. This is so unpleasant that even I, your host down this rabbit hole of perfidy, don't really want to describe it.

The second is statutory child molestation. This is when an legal adult makes unwanted advances, touching, etc. of a legal minor (eg, 21 year old perpetrator and 15 year old victim). I use the term statutory here because when the same thing happens to an adult victim we call it sexual assault and/or rape.

The third is statutory rape (or as Nancy Grace calls it, child molestation). This is when the sexual advances of an adult towards a teenager is consented to, even though one of the parties in the relationship is not legally allowed to consent.

All three of these things are morally wrong. But their degree or level of wrongness goes from worst case to very bad to bad in the order listed above.

Also, as I pointed out I think quite clearly, I expressly said that gays are no more likely to be sexual predators or perverts than straights. But, and this is kind of the whole point, they are no less likely either.

So, contemplate those points before you start typing something stupid.

As to the point about "I need statistics" well, I just don't know what to say with that. As a methodology, statistics just can't answer all questions of fact. As an epistemology it can never answer all questions of truth. There are several reasons for this, but first and foremost is simply lack of data.

But as more than a few scientists have won Nobel Prizes for thought experiments (eg, Einstein, Friedman) let me pose the following thought experiment to you:

You have a daughter. She goes to high school. The high school announces that the locker rooms and showers are going to be co-ed. But don't worry, they have a bunch of rules that make it impossible (impossible!) for inappropriate behavior.

School Board, meet my Remington 870.

Or, maybe you have a more enlightened reaction. You pull your kids from school.

Either way, you don't let it happen not only because you know rules cannot always be enforced (even well thought out, good rules). No, what really pisses you off is the notion of all those guys oggling your daughter.

It's. Just. Creepy.

And that might just be a social constructed thing. We learn that nudity is sexual or something. In Sweden they do it all the time. I don't think so, but whatever.

Even if it is something American society fostered upon us, so what? If we want to live in society, there are some social norms that cannot be broken. And there are social, and legal, consequences for violating some of those norms.

Also, some of those legal consequences are there to protect the violator of the norms as much as they are about protecting society.

You see, once the law no longer protects my children then it's up to me to do so.

And I have guns.

Laws protecting certain social norms are there to protect you from me just as much as they are to protect society.

Posted by: Rusty at 02:12 PM


1 many gays have fought for their country in the military have you or are you just another chicken hawk? By the you chritian fundos why don't you tell the jews of israel what is going to happen to those jews who don't become chritian fundos

Posted by: captain*arizona at July 28, 2015 03:07 PM

2 It's time for your medicine son.

Posted by: captain*arizona's mom at July 28, 2015 03:14 PM

3 This will be the end of the boy scouts.

Posted by: Valerie at July 28, 2015 03:20 PM

4 LOLOLOLOLOL, I agree with everything captain*arizona said!

Tell me, captain*arizona, are you more into "bears" or "femmes"?

Askin' for a dude in our DC headquarters who'd like to date you!

Posted by: DNC Spokestool at July 28, 2015 04:09 PM

5 What makes you think gay men/women are all pedophile s?

They are not.

There are gay men, and there are sick kid rapests!

Just because I like to eat a woman's bush, does not mean I want to eat little girls that are under age!

Posted by: Phil at July 28, 2015 05:05 PM

6 gays want rights...ill give em rights-10% off on vaseline NOW GET THE FUCK BACK IN THE CLOSET

Posted by: sound awake at July 28, 2015 07:47 PM

7 I have been active in Scouting from when my son was 6 and in Cub Scouts through his 18th birthday. I was an assistant scoutmaster the entire time he was a Boy Scout till he aged out on his 18th birthday.
Scouting has always been about the scout, not anyone else, and certainly not about the Scoutmaster. This whole effort to allow gay scout leaders is about ending the Boy Scouts, nothing else.Countless young men have learned life lessons, been made into better men, and learned how to lead through scouting.
This decision is a mistake and it won't be long that Scouting becomes irrelevant. Just what is intended!!!

Posted by: Bill Cook at July 28, 2015 09:35 PM

8 A fourteen-year-old should have the good fortune of being molested by a woman, which is generally accepted and rarely prosecuted...it seems we have told our young men, choose education or scouting to determine your sexuality. Personally, I dropped out of senior year and hate the taste of male leadership while camping. Go Biden!

Posted by: pete at July 28, 2015 10:16 PM

9 Well, Camp Fire Girls went co-ed in 1975 and they've been inclusive for years, and I haven't read too many headlines about sexual predators. Maybe they have some secret formula? Or use Hillary and Bill's media management team?

BTW from my experience Camp Fire Girls are hot when you are 14.

Posted by: DocEpador at July 29, 2015 08:36 AM

10 I wouldn't let my son join the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts back when the gays who ran it were in the closet.

Posted by: obsidian at July 29, 2015 10:07 AM

11 We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.
-Michael Swift (Gay Manifesto-1987)

Try it, shitbag. I have guns too.

Posted by: Rockerpeople at July 29, 2015 11:51 AM

12 Fair is fair:
When will straight men be allowed as girl scout masters?

Posted by: jb at July 29, 2015 01:58 PM

13 Hey jb, how about straight women as girl scoutmasters?

Posted by: DocEpador at July 29, 2015 05:36 PM

14 luvin it DocEpador.
But shouldn't trans sexes have first dibs?

Posted by: jb at July 30, 2015 01:31 AM

15 I knew what you meant without the update. Wasn't hard to figure out.

All men have the same drives no matter what part of the qwerty you define yourself as.

Posted by: Mr. Mxyzptlk at July 30, 2015 07:39 AM

16 JB men have been allowed to be Girl Scout leaders for decades
Rusty would you allow any of your children to go on overnight school trips?
People project there own Devils onto others this of course was the reason for much of the history of gay bashing
What better way to show you aren't gay than by beating up on a gay
What better way to show you have no sexual attraction. To anyone male or female by showing how much you hate pedophiles
FBI stats show that sexual crimes against children are at historical lows but the fear and hysteria are at all time highs

Posted by: Righter at July 30, 2015 10:38 AM

17 Rusty of course is now almost 70 years old
I am just guessing but think his ice must be considerably younger

Posted by: Righter at July 30, 2015 10:41 AM

18 So, same time tonight, same dress, honey? I just LOVE it when you go all femme on me......hehehehehe.

Posted by: Righter's boyfriend at July 30, 2015 10:54 AM

19 how about the GSA, Girl Scouts of America?

So the GSA is going to allow men to go on overnight camp outs with Scouts unaccompanied by a woman leader?

Hey pull my finger...

Posted by: Fewenuff at July 30, 2015 08:18 PM

20 Righter,

My answer: I don't know much about Girl Scouts, so I don't have a great response. The point, for me, is not just to take a position then argue it, but try to have some reasonable information first then come to conclusions later.

So, if the GSA allows men to go camping overnight with teenage girls, then I'd simply say that the GSA has acted stupidly.

Also, I know A LOT of 19 year old "adults" who, upon learning this, are suddenly going to become interested in joining the GSA.

Moreover, and this is just a reaction that could be corrected, I've never interacted with GSA girls who were, in fact, teenagers. Maybe they exist, I don't know, but personal experience suggests that that vast majority of GSA girls are younger than BSA boys.

Hence, an attraction to GSA girls would much more likely be pedophilia for a straight man, whereas an attraction to BSA young men by gay men wouldn't since most of them are teenagers and not pre-pubescent.

Posted by: Rusty at July 31, 2015 11:41 AM

21 This is the Happy Hunting Ground for gaystapo Pedophiles.

Posted by: nadadhimmi at July 31, 2015 11:12 PM

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