Malaysian Airlines 777 and Two Su-22 Jets Downed Over Ukraine

CNN:

A Malaysia Airlines passenger jet crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, prompting a Ukrainian official to say that the flight carrying 295 people had been shot down.
The Boeing 777 was "shot down" by "terrorists" operating a Buk surface-to-air missile system, according to a Facebook post from Anton Gerashchenko, adviser to the Ukrainian Interior Ministry.

The plane went down near the town on Torez in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, according to the post, as it flew at about 10,000 meters (32,000 feet).
"We do not exclude that the plane was shot down and confirm that the Ukraine Armed Forces did not fire at any targets in the sky," Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said, according to his website.

This after two Ukrainian Su-22 jets were downed yesterday.
Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council, said an Su-25 ground attack plane was downed on Wednesday evening.

Russia's defence ministry called the accusation "absurd", Russian state media reported.

Rebels in eastern Ukraine say they shot down two Su-25 jets on Wednesday.

Ukraine also alleges rockets were fired at its forces from Russian territory.

Russia as denied any involvement, but a deleted post by a pro-Russian rebel on the Russian language social network VK appears to claim to have downed the larger jet.


17.07.2014 17:50 (MSK) Message from the militia. "In the area Torrez just downed plane An-26, lying somewhere in the mine" Progress ". Warned same - not to fly in "our sky." And here is the video the confirmation of the next "ptichkopada." Birdie fell for waste heap, the residential sector is not caught. Peaceful people do not suffer. And also have information about the second downed aircraft, like the Su. "
Possibly the rebels have missiles capable to reaching the 30000 ft cruising altitude of the plane. But that takes a launcher based missile, rather than a so called manpad. But claims that such a launcher was in use by the rebels have been posted.

It appears to be a case of a trigger happy operator for the Ukrainian resistant getting greedy after a couple of successful shootdowns of the Su-22.

I've heard unconfirmed reports that up to 24 Americans Australians were aboard the 777.

Update: A recorded and translated conversation in which Pro-Russian separatists discuss the downing. Thanks to @webradius.

Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo.

Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.

VG: How many minutes ago?

IB: About 30 minutes ago.

SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.

“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks show down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

“Grek”: Yes, Major.

"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.

“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?

“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.

“Greek”: Are many people there?

“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).

“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?

“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?

“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

“Greek”: Are there documents?

“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.

Update: Its seems Vladimir's strategy was working pretty well, so long as nothing went terribly terribly wrong.

Um, Yeah.



Posted by: Howie at 01:48 PM

Comments

1 Certainly looks like Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine have shot this down with weapons given by the Russian Army. It wouldn't make sense for the Ukrainian government to shoot it down, while the plane was just leaving Ukrainian airspace after going through the vast country all the way. I doubt the Russian government would also shoot it down, when the plane was just within Ukrainian territory. Even if the plane got in Russian territory, the Russians would send a plane to warn the aircraft, not shoot it down.

Posted by: Birbal Dhar at July 17, 2014 02:06 PM

2 OT Israel just invaded Gaza. Going after the tunnels first.

Posted by: faboutlaws at July 17, 2014 03:00 PM

3
I just saw a photo of the crash site. Scores of mangled bodies everywhere. Looks like they are all civilians. Awful stuff.

Posted by: RBanks at July 17, 2014 03:01 PM

4
Godspeed IDF.

Posted by: RBanks at July 17, 2014 03:02 PM

5 It's early still but sure looks like a shoot down. OR somebody has a hard on for Malaysian Airlines.

Tin foil hat activate!

Posted by: Fewenuff at July 17, 2014 04:22 PM

6 yes, russian spetznaz - err separatists

Posted by: john at July 17, 2014 06:25 PM

7 The SA-17 Buk (NATO: Grizzly) is the replacement for the SA-6 Gainful system. Wiki claims it has a 25 km altitude capability, so 30 kfeet (9-10 km?) is well within reach.

Not the kind of toys you want terrs running around with.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 17, 2014 07:44 PM

8 I suppose all jets look alike from 33000 feet below them. Amateurs playing with big boy toys. this is awful stuff.

The fingers of blame are already pointed and the Truth will mean nothing to most people. They blame whomever they were inclined to blame and evidence be damned.

Posted by: Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder at July 17, 2014 08:34 PM

9 That conversation from the youtube video was uploaded the day before the crash.
http://tinyurl.com/lr73286
Another False Flag op brought to you by Blackwater, the State Department, CIA and Mossad.
Cue the anti-Semite comments.

Posted by: superflex at July 17, 2014 10:12 PM

10 Last I read there is no more Blackwater.

Posted by: Phil at July 18, 2014 12:00 AM

11 Other than the MH017

AN-26 military transport plan

Ukrainian Su-25 jet shot dow with a missile,  pilot ejected and was rescued. 


Posted by: Phil at July 18, 2014 01:22 AM

12 You know I should have added some youtubes of this yesterday.

Posted by: Howie at July 18, 2014 07:06 AM

13 The link to ZeroHedge provided by superflex is a good article, shewing that Kiev intel probably manufactured the dialogue between Grek and the Major well before the shoot down.

superflex is a perfect example of why Truth is not relevant: he still blames the evil Americans and Jews. If an NOI gunman shoots Malcolm X it's because the CIA "allowed" it to happen. If Saddam Hussien gasses the kurds it's because the USA gave him the weapons. If Osama bin Laden forms a successful terrorist group it's because "WE created bin laden." These people have bullet-proof brains - resistant to facts and utterly impervious to thoughts. It's condescending racism to say that arabs, ukranians and such are incapable of being bad people all by themselves until the USA and the Jews show them how.


Posted by: Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder at July 18, 2014 07:32 AM

14 .... and what the heck i might as well admit that that the only way we know the video was uploaded the day before the plane was shot down is because YouTube's database says so. Which is to say Google's database. And since Google controls the cia, the state department and mossad, as well as the russians, ukranians, serbs, imans, illuminatti, space reptiles and Me then it could be a forged time stamp.

Posted by: Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder at July 18, 2014 08:21 AM

15 Blaming mossad and the CIA has nothing to do with blaming the "evil Americans and Jews". I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Do a little research on the real reason the conflicts have erupted in Syria, Ukraine and Gaza. The reason those two hotspots (and the ISIS debacle in Iraq have flared up is all about destabilizing Russia and Gazprom's hold over the supply of NatGas to the EU. Saudi Arabia and Qatar wanted to run a natgas pipe through Syria to supply the EU. Russia said nyet. Hence the false flag chemical weapons attacks. Remember the Sochi toilet photos? .gov propaganda designed to discredit the Russians. Did none of you hear the recording of Victoria Nuland, Asst Sec of State, admitting the US provided $5 billion to help overthrow the former Ukraine government?

The conflict in Iraq is all about redrawing the boundaries in the region to allow a pipeline to pass. Same in Ukraine.

The conflict in Gaza is partially about Israel wanting the offshore rights to the newly discovered natgas reserved off the coast of Gaza.

Put down your hatred on the brown sand critters and look for the real devils in the mix. They are the FED, IMF, BIS and Zionist bankers.

BTW, blaming the Zionists Banksters is not anti semitism. It's calling a spade a spade and if some of you are offended by the truth, you need to look in the mirror and realize that not everything Israel does is in the best interest of the world.

The spice must flow.

Posted by: superflex at July 18, 2014 12:34 PM

16 Plans within plans!

For I am the Kwisatz Haderach!

Posted by: Howie at July 18, 2014 12:47 PM

17 Cui bono?
Who benefits from downing the airliner? Certainly not Russia.
http://tinyurl.com/k4oodj2
Wake the F up sheeple. You are being played by the powers that be.
Stawks are not in a bubble either. Janet Yellen, the Zio Princess, says so.

Posted by: superflex at July 18, 2014 12:52 PM

18 That conversation reads like an "Did You fuck it up?" flow chart.
Did you shoot a missile?
Yes-------------------No

Posted by: obsidian at July 19, 2014 01:07 PM

19 Unless they shot down two SU-22's, one was a Ukraine transport plane.

Posted by: Phil at July 19, 2014 08:33 PM






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