Iraq: 800 Militants Defeat 30,000 U.S. Trained Iraqi Soldiers

This isn't that shocking if you understand that we are not fighting a conventional enemy. We are fighting a radical ideology that permeates every part of the Middle East. It knows no boundaries. Its sole goal is to conquer all.

From Military Times:

The extremist group seizing vast swaths of Iraq this week is most likely fielding a small force of less than 1,000 fighters equipped with little more than small-arms weaponry and soft-shelled pickup trucks.

But the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, apparently has routed an estimated 30,000 Iraqi Army soldiers who were trained by the U.S. military and given billions in sophisticated American military equipment.

The stunning outcome reflects widespread desertions among the Iraqi units in the north as well as the Sunni-Shiite sectarian tensions that underlie the military battles, experts say.

"It's a relativity small force that managed to take the city [of Mosul], and itís shocking that they were able to do that," said Charlie Cooper, who studies Islamic extremism for the Quilliam Foundation in London.

"To me, that suggests there is collusion or at least deliberate capitulation on the part of Sunni tribes in western and northern Iraq," Cooper said. "It's likely that this happened because Sunni tribes in the area let it happen."

No amount of training or equipment will change a belief system. We cannot fight an ideology with weapons. Until we understand that, we will never defeat Islamic terrorists.

All this mess reminds me of a story I posted a while back. Here's an excerpt, but it's worth a full read.

"You were a philosophy major or minor at that podunk little college you went to long ago," said the Time Traveler. "Do you remember what Category Error is?"

It rang a bell. But I was too irritated at hearing my alma mater being called a "podunk little college" to be able to concentrate fully.

"I'll tell you what it is," said the Time Traveler. "In philosophy and formal logic, and it has its equivalents in science and business management, Category Error is the term for having stated or defined a problem so poorly that it becomes impossible to solve that problem, through dialectic or any other means."

I waited. Finally I said firmly, "You can't go to war with a religion. Or, I mean... sure, you could... the Crusades and all that... but it would be wrong."

The Time Traveler sipped his Scotch and looked at me. He said, "Let me give you an analogy..."

God, I hated and distrusted analogies. I said nothing.

"Let's imagine," said the Time Traveler, "that on December eighth, Nineteen forty-one, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt spoke before a joint session of Congress and asked them to declare war on aviation."

"That's absurd," I said.

"Is it?" asked the Time Traveler. "The American battleships, cruisers, harbor installations, Army barracks, and airfields at Pearl Harbor and elsewhere in Hawaii were all struck by Japanese aircraft. Imagine if the next day Roosevelt had declared war on aviation... threatening to wipe it out wherever we found it. Committing all the resources of the United States of America to defeating aviation, so help us God."

"That's just stupid,' I said. If I'd ever been afraid of this Time Traveler, I wasn't now. He was obviously a mental defective."The planes, the Japanese planes," I said, "were just a method of attack... a means... it wasn't aviation that attacked us at Pearl Harbor, but the Empire of Japan. We declared war on Japan and a few days later its ally, Germany, lived up to its treaty with the Japanese and declared war on us. If we'd declared war on aviation, on goddamned airplanes rather than the empire and ideology that launched them, we'd never have..."

I stopped. What had he called it? Category Error. Making the problem unsolvable through your inability - or fear - of defining it correctly.

Read it all.

Posted by: DMartyr at 02:22 PM


1 No they didn't the 30000 had artillery air support and superior everything. They were ordered to retreat because they and their commanders were Shia and had no dog or interest in defending Sunni and Sufis from ISIS.

There is no Iraq, there are Sunnis, Sufis, Shias and Kurds and a few Christians. Its why its AFU. None of those groups feel "Iraqi" they are all sectarian and act as such.

Had Malaki made sure the people defending Mosul were from Mosul and had a dog in the fight, well the outcome would be ISIS sent home packing.

So many fled and the ones remaining join with their Sunni Akhi in hopes they will get something.

The locals smoke a lot and like to send their women to Market to shop. Soon it will be Red on Red Sunni there. As soon as the Iraqi Sunni get tired of ISIS BS. They'll come begging for help too probably.

Posted by: Howie at June 13, 2014 03:55 PM

2 Look OUT!
Military Times is part of a giant media company.
Nasty war news sells airtime, print and online news for big commercial dollars.

The company?
Gannet, a company who has its talons in print, newspapers, ABC, CBS, NBC and others.

Learn just who is behind your news sources.

Posted by: Phil at June 13, 2014 05:45 PM

3 "We cannot fight an ideology with weapons."

Um... I'm not so sure about that.
There are lots and lots of *nukes* lounging around with nothing to do.

Posted by: Shadowman at June 13, 2014 06:58 PM

4 If the Iraqis want democracy they will have to fight for it. We did it in 1776 against the most powerful army in the world at that time. There was lots of fear and barely half the people were on board for the fight. Freedom has its price. You have to say that freedom is what I want and be willing to die for it. The Iraqis had their piddly democracy handed to them on a plate without any significant effort. But now is the time to really earn it. Pick up that gun and kill that crazed opponent or be forever a slave. Fear? Think of the Americans who landed on Utah beach on D-Day. They did it and died by the thousands. Iraq, it's your turn. As muslims you may not even understand this. It's the difference between First World democracies and the Third World hell hole.

Posted by: faboutlaws at June 13, 2014 10:11 PM

5 Politiciansdrawing lines on paper. Then conflicts and wars start because the locals do not like the abitrary lines. But with moslims lines do not matter.
They still kill everyone.
Glorious Leader is avoiding these problems by US having open boarders.

Posted by: Kafiroon at June 14, 2014 01:36 AM

6 Simple - Fifth Column assisting them (and shitheads in OUR OWN GOVERNMENT assisting them).

Posted by: knotlikely at June 15, 2014 09:29 AM

7 Just imagine these 800 roaming the streets of NYC after Gov Cuomo has disarmed the resedents

Posted by: Nidal Malik Hasan at June 15, 2014 04:55 PM

8 They now number about 20,000 and each victory will give them more recruits. Everyone loves a winner.

Posted by: Nordic racist & bigoted Islamophobe at June 16, 2014 07:04 AM

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