Just a Reminder that Not all of Pakistan's Problems Can be Blamed on Islam

A reminder to the 'phobes. And I mean it, there really are Islamophobes out there. I just think they are much more rare than is alleged. Like racists, they exist but you can't blame every bad thing that happens on racism. Or sexism. Or partriarchy. Or capitalism. Or whatever.

A theory that posits a single causal variable for all outcomes isn't a theory: it's a worldview.

So, the idea that Islam is the cause of all misery in Muslim country just doesn't hold up to scientific scrutiny. Neither does the idea that all criticisms of Islamism are just so much phobia. Phobes!

Now, this isn't to say that certain versions of Islam aren't related to whatever bad thing you are looking at, or that it is one of a number of causal factors, or that in certain instances it is the primary cause, but only if we are talking about specific negative consequences in specific context.

Case in point: In neighboring India gang rape is a serious and widespread problem. And it's not Islamic mysogeny that is to blame. Sure, Muslims are 25% of the total population, but here we have a couple of Hindu girls gang raped and murdered by a bunch of Hindu guys.

I don't know what the cause of this phenomenon in India is. Perhaps it goes back to the old caste system. The girls here were of the "untouchable" class. Perhaps it has something to do with some other cultural factors in India I don't know about. I've no idea. But you know what I do know? That Islam isn't to blame.

Here's the pretty horrible story:

Indian police have arrested one man and are looking for four other suspects after two teenage girls were gang-raped and then hanged from a tree in a village in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh.

The two cousins, who were from a low-caste Dalit community and aged 14 and 15, went missing from their village home in Uttar Pradesh’s Budaun district when they went out to go to the toilet on Tuesday evening.

The following morning, villagers found the bodies of the two teenagers hanging from a mango tree in a nearby orchard.

I just wanted to throw this out there because sometimes when we see honor killings or the mistreatment of women in Islamic countries the immediate reaction is to point to something in the sharia, but when we see it happen in other countries we blame in on culture or something else. The point being that bad stuff happens in every country, and when that bad stuff happens we can't blame Islam. But when the same bad stuff happens in Muslim countries we need to be cautious about pointing to some Islamic doctrine as the cause.

I'm not saying certain Islamic or sharia principles never are to blame (at least, partially), just that when your default position is always the same you've kind of lost your credibility. Somewhere between blaming Islam for everything, and claiming that certain strands of Islam are never to be blamed lies the truth.

And the reason that comparing social ills in Pakistan to social ills in India are valid comparisons is that the two are essentially the same nation with an arbitrary border separating them.

Posted by: Rusty at 01:45 PM


1 Thanks for an excellent rational post. I've observed in my travels that some of the filth reported on in an Islamic cultureS can also be seen in Seattle or Portland ME or Atlanta. Humanity in all it's outward expressions seems to have a constant denominator - we're nasty, given half-a-chance. The main problem with Islam is that their nastiness has been codified into a 'faith' based doctrine.

As you're aware, there is no culture that has ever existed that has not had some form of 'religion'. Muslims excellence of 'faith' is defined by Muhammad (spit three times), who just happened to be a child molesting killer and highway bandit who embraced the BIG lie: I SPEAK FOR GOD.

The results? The closer someone identifies with Islam, the nastier and more exclusive they become - unaccountable to society for their actions. Those who are labeled Muslim but do not identify with Islam are predestined to live a life of fear...afraid that a true believer will discover their apostasy and kill them.

Solution? Thin out the herd, get rid of the sick before they infect everyone.

Posted by: Nail Puller at May 29, 2014 02:17 PM

2 In India these rape gangs are strongly condemned by the media, women, politicians and other civilized people. Not so many voices will speak out in Pakistan... not more'n once anyhow. Sickness survives everywhere, but in muzzlum lands it thrives.

which is to say, i agree with Nail Puller about the codified brutality and the necessary silence of cultural muzzlums who'd rather live elsewhere.

Posted by: Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder at May 29, 2014 02:58 PM

3 Greetings:

Of course, when one finds oneself at war, (Dar al Islam versus Dar al Harb, say) it's never a very bad idea to constrain, undermine, or eradicate your opponents ideology. As long as it's done in a non- phobic way, I presume.

For a while now, I've been thinking about culture's impact as somewhat analogous to Freud's observations about the etiologies of human behavior. Many/most don't really have the inclination to try to understand what's driving their ideas and behaviors. They just seem to ride the cultural inertia along their merry way.

As for your painting too broad a stroke concern, I think it was Chairman Mao who said something about the "moderate" population being the sea in which his little guerilla fishies would swim.

Given that our Muslim brothers and sisters seem to have such a finely tuned sense of when their "human rights" are being violated, it's hard for me to square away their allegiance to the oppressive, supremacist ideology that is in the Koran. Not all Ku Klux Klansmen killed Negroes and not all Nazis killed Jews, but their subscriptions to those ideologies aided and abetted those who did.

If we are not willing or not permitted to join the ideological battle, we will have a very long Dar al Harb row to hoe.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 29, 2014 04:00 PM

4 Savagery is savagery, the individual is to blame. But tell that to the collectivist minions of bad religious traditions that fortify this kind of behaviour, e.g. Hindu cast system, islamic (ist) view of women as lesser human beings...

Posted by: 101st Keyboarders (Blue alps) in Putin Russia phobe YOU at May 29, 2014 05:02 PM

5 Not all of Pakistan's problems are caused by islam. Some are caused by stupid muslims.

Posted by: faboutlaws at May 29, 2014 10:03 PM

6 Part II

Solutions: For over 10 years now the west has chewed over the cultural conflict of Islam vs. Civilization. Why this, why that -- all to the Nth degree. I propose that trying to reform Islam is similar to trying to reform a happy pedophile who was raised in the home of a happy pedophile. It is NOT going to happen - they find joy in the practice of pedophilia and will continue doing so, even as they walk out of the prisons gates. Prison was a waste of everyone's time, effort and monies - either set him free immediately or execute him immediately. OR, lock him up in a dungeon until he dies a natural death and the problem solves itself. Sometimes we as humans, puffed up in our pride, think that we can solve every problem with education and greater effort. While in reality, all some men need is a good killing to make everything all right. A boy from Tennessee once told me that while we were in Little Rock, and it scared me half to death - but I was young and fresh at the time.

Islam and it's 'true believers'? Western Civilization is insane to attempt to house-break a rabid dog (a Muslim practicing jihad). Kill the critter and be done with it. There are plenty of examples in history to show that a strong hand used against Islam works -- and it's the ONLY thing that works.

Furthermore, how did America and our Allies win the war against Japan and Germany? I propose that America and our Allies won by putting a boot on the neck of these countries until they surrendered completely. Read the push by the Russian's into Berlin and you'll understand the fear in the heart of the German civilian; their willingness to surrender. Just as Sherman's march to the sea broke the back of the American South, so it is possible to break the back of Islam.

Right now we are on the path to a World War. The first country to light off a nuke will be the fuze for the death of millions. This could all have been avoided with some backbone from the Western Civilized countries.

Posted by: Nail Puller at May 30, 2014 01:12 AM


when hindus start highjacking airplanes and flying them into buildings in the US i will start lumping them in with muslims

until that day there are a lot bigger fish to fry

Posted by: sound awake at May 30, 2014 07:49 AM

8 Culture always trumps religion, just look at our own "Christian" country.
Look at where the worst human caused problems on the planet are: central Africa which is 90% Christian. There 5 million have been killed in the last 30 years.

Posted by: righter at May 30, 2014 08:17 AM

9 They were not murdered. They hanged themselves. They were suicides. Secondly there is no mention of the religion of the arrested men, you assumed they were Hindu.

Usually when the men are Muslim they leave the names out. When they are Hindu men they are on the pages of the newspaper. Until we know the actual names of the men, we cannot say if the men were Hindu or not.

FYI you are right that gang rapes are not only done by Muslims. In Belgium there are 5 gang rapes a week reported by the Belgium government. Belgium does have a high number as Muslims but clearly that high a number shows it is not only Muslims doing it.

Posted by: Jay at May 30, 2014 12:33 PM

10 In the second paragraph of the very article you linked to "A postmortem indicated that the cousins, aged 14 and 15, hanged themselves..." If you are going to talk about how not to jump to conclusions about Islam, you too should not push false information (it was suicide not murder) and jump to conclusions about Hindus (no names of people arrested so nothing but your own assumption right now that it was Hindus) or any other faith.

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Posted by: Jordan Gamma blue at June 01, 2014 06:56 AM

13 "scientific scrutiny" doesn't hold up to common sense. Secondly who says these Indians aren't Muslims? India is once again full of them.

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