Thank You Edward Snowden: EU to Stop Sharing Terrorist Financial Data w/ US

Are some of you going to still claim this guy is a "hero"?

The European Parliament voted to suspend its Terrorist Finance Tracking Program (TFTP) agreement with the US, in response to the alleged tapping of EU citizens' bank data held by the Belgian company SWIFT.

The agreement granted the US authorities access to bank data for terror-related investigations but leaked documents made public by whistleblower Edward Snowden allege that the global bank transfer network was the target of wider US surveillance.

MEPs also want to launch a full inquiry into the alleged spying.

The good news here is that the European Parliament has as much power to enforce its will on EU member countries as the UN. Which is to say: none at all.

Contrary to fans of the World War Z movie, the UN has neither its own navy nor anything like the sort of prestige which by simply mentioning that you work for the Special Assistant to the Secretary General suddenly everybody drops everything they're doing and makes you the top priority.

So, maybe this is all just bluster by the politicians for the morons back home. But, then again, when the politicritters in Brussels start whining their kindred spirits in London and Rome aren't usually that far behind them.

Posted by: Rusty at 10:50 AM

Comments

1 I'm not totally sure how I think of this creep. But blaming him for something like this is like blaming the rape victim for her rape. It is our government that is spying on it's own people and everybody else. It is illegal, but nobody cares, unless Issa wants to hold another ridiculous investigation in the house that goesnowhere. When the attorney general of the United States is found in contempt of congress and doesn't care one bit, then things have gone too far.

Posted by: TimothyJ at October 25, 2013 11:22 AM

2 Yes I do. Any of you who don't are seriously wrong. It is not a matter of getting caught, it is a matter OF DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. If you are pissed because the US got caught spying on everyone in the universe, you must be a socialist democrat.

Posted by: USMC Steve at October 25, 2013 12:35 PM

3 Yep, he's still a hero. Either do it right, or don't do it at all.

Posted by: Eli at October 25, 2013 02:46 PM

4 I agree with USMC. If we have to let our government spy on every aspect of our lives in order to remain safe, then I'd rather not be safe. This is serious 1984 crap the government is pulling, under the guise of protecting us.

No thanks.

Posted by: Kevin at October 25, 2013 04:28 PM

5 So, once again, I have to ask these questions:

Are you pissed off that Snowden leaked the NSA surveillance on America. Or, are you pissed off that the NSA is performing surveillance on America?

I never get a straight answer from the TeaPublicans. Why is that?

Posted by: Bomp! at October 25, 2013 10:09 PM

6 Blame Edward Snowden? Why? Obama has done more to destroy the working relationships between the U.S. and Europe than anything Snowden could ever have done.

Obama authorised the spying into the communications of the Heads of State of our closest allies in europe, Not Snowden, But Obama and his Muslim outreach.

Posted by: bobfrommosinee at October 25, 2013 10:53 PM

7 If you don't know S, You didn't want an answer in the first place, And weren't listening in the second place, The typical failing of a progressive.

By the way, It is illegal for the NSA to spy on Americans in America, A Law that Obama seems to have a serious problem obeying.

Posted by: bobfrommosinee at October 25, 2013 10:57 PM

8 If you don't know Bomp!, You didn't want an answer in the first place, And weren't listening in the second place, The typical failing of a progressive.

By the way, It is illegal for the NSA to spy on Americans in America, A Law that Obama seems to have a serious problem obeying.

Posted by: bobfrommosinee at October 25, 2013 10:59 PM

9 Yeah bobf, I wanted an answer because your side can't seem to make up their minds on who they"re pissed off with. Your fucking right wing nut-job hacks wanted to see Snowden hanged as a traitor for the NSA leak and now you want to blame the POTUS for allowing the NSA to spy on US citizens. Tell me exactly WHAT it was that you think I wasn't listening to? You perhaps? You apparently don't know what the fuck your party stands for and can't grasp the fact that your teabaggers are the ones causing the GOP to implode. This NSA shit started well before Obama took charge and the republicans said nothing! Why is that? You don't give a fuck about this country, only your party. You know this. Accept it. And stop pretending.

Posted by: Bomp! at October 26, 2013 01:44 AM

10 Critical thinking is often difficult for progressives, but I think I can help you out in this case, bomp. Conservatives are pissed off at Snowden for exposing to other governments that the NSA spies on other governments. That's their job and most of us support that.

At the same time, conservatives are furious with Obama (and Bush it seems) for spying on Americans. That is NOT their job, and in fact it is illegal for the NSA to do so, I think. We thank Snowden for exposing this horrible practice.

Lastly, some are angry that the NSA is spying on random people in the world who have done nothing wrong. This is not a conservative position, since some conservatives disapprove and others approve.

Did that help you to understand, champ?

Posted by: Kevin at October 26, 2013 03:13 AM

11 Critical thinking is working just fine here. I looks like now you're saying that "both sides are bad". Very typical. Countries have been spying on each other for decades and they all know this. It didn't take Snowden for them to figure this out. Americans have been spied on by the NSA intensively for more than a decade now. Notice I said "intensively". Yes. That is illegal. Progressives complained about it during the dubya years and were called traitors. Why is it now that the "conservatives" are so worried about this? Notice the progressives aren't calling you traitors about it. Critical thinking comes in when we study the psychology of right-wingers. You'll pick and stick with your side no matter how shitty your team is doing.

Posted by: Bomp! at October 26, 2013 10:27 AM

12 Hero may be the wrong word. We can't read Snowden's mind and know his motivation or what he has shared with Russia and China. Having said that, Snowden is a whistle-blower who has brought to light the extensive (and I believe unconstitutional) spying our government is doing on ordinary US citizens. I for one appreciate that.

Posted by: Bluegrass Pundit at October 26, 2013 12:27 PM

13 Sure, countries know about spying. But Snowden traitorously proved it for both our friends and enemies. Knowing something and being able to prove something are wildly different things in the world of diplomacy. America's foreign relations will certainly be harmed by this revelation. As if Obama wasn't doing enough damage on his own.

I do not recall ever hearing about people being called traitors for complaining about being spied upon. I also don't recall anyone ever having any proof of spying on Americans before Snowden's info. In any event, it doesn't seem like a political issue. I can't imagine either side wants the government to spy on them. Right now the left seems to be pretty accepting of it and I don't know why. It might be because they don't want to hurt Obama.

Posted by: Kevin at October 26, 2013 02:35 PM

14
Right now the left seems to be pretty accepting of it and I don't know why. It might be because they don't want to hurt Obama.

That and they are big hypocrites.

Posted by: Bluegrass Pundit at October 26, 2013 05:09 PM

15 Kevin, I can't speak for the left but I'm not seeing any real acceptance coming them. I reckon that it depends on what news channel you rely on for your "news". Selective recollection runs very deeply in the right wing ideology. Yeah, unfortunately, there will be those beta types that will follow anyone. You can use the keyword "traitor" and "mypetjawa" and you'll find all sorts of gems starting in 2004. It looks like there are some varying opinions here which is very cool. Critical thinking is, once again, working quite well here.

Posted by: Bomp! at October 26, 2013 05:12 PM

16 Newsflash!! All those whining European countries do at least as much spying on their citizens as the US is doing. A few days ago it was revealed in the Netherlands that 1 out of every 1000 calls are monitored. The way I see it, it is not as much of a problem the monitoring itself the US is doing on the Euro's leaders as the fact that they have loose lipped pansies doing it and it getting out in the open.

Posted by: Arawak at October 26, 2013 05:13 PM

17 Here is a 'TeaPublican' opinion (I just love when the left smears with name-calling....so mature and well thought out. I think Snowden is a hero for exposing the Unconstitutional crap that was going on. He did NOT benefit from it in any way and it seems to have ruined his life. I am MAD at the Progressive traitors who want him hanged for exposing the truth and the media for going along like love-struck puppy dogs. If they were doing their jobs THEY might have exposed the multiple levels of corruption in the Administration instead of feeling the need to cover it up.

Posted by: Frustrated Teacher at October 26, 2013 06:20 PM

18 "...in the Netherlands that 1 out of every 1000 calls are monitored."
In America, it appears that 1,000 out of every 1,000 calls are monitored, Arawak. I'm against the practice entirely, but let's fix the biggest culprits before we spend energy on the little ones.

Bomp, what I mean is that there should be unremittent outrage at liberal bastions like the NYT and MSNBC. Much more outrage than even that shown by their attacks on the Abu Graib fiasco. But there's not. They hardly reported on it, and they don't report on it at ALL anymore. Without them pressuring the Democrats in congress to pass a law fixing this, it won't be fixed.

I'm not pinning the blame on Democrats. Plenty of Republican congressmen are all for creating a surveiled and controlled society. We have to stop them. And it requires the Democratic prols as well as the Republicans to do that. I'm not seeing it materialize, and that bothers me immensely.

You sound like you aren't into being monitored either, Bomp. Let's put aside partisan differences and make spying on Americans illegal again.

Posted by: Kevin at October 26, 2013 06:40 PM

19 Well Kevin, Sorry to say, the partisan differences will not stop because of the likes of "Frustrated" posters above you. Sadly, critical thinking doesn't exist in their group. Thanks for you input and observations though.

Posted by: Bomp! at October 26, 2013 07:21 PM

20 Guys, this whole European indignation about the news that Snowden leaked will blow over soon. 1. Because, as I mentioned before, they engage in the exact same practices. 2. They had to feign indignation because their people and their press felt rightfully that there was a need for protest and they had to comply, but expect them to shelf this as soon as they can (I bet European's attention spans are not much longer than your average American's) so they can go back to their usual practices.
Now in the USA, however, you guys should keep up the heat. What part of the constitutional right against "unreasonable search and seizure" doesn't your government understand?

Posted by: Arawak at October 26, 2013 09:35 PM

21 Completely wrong about the EU Rusty...if you had to live in it you would soon disciver how it is an effective tyrrany affecting all our lives in most places in most of its member states.

Posted by: Axel at October 27, 2013 06:28 AM

22 My problem is. (1) I don't trust this government to handle the spying on foreign countries or Americans. (2) How does our allies feel about having a (so called) friend sneaking around and monitoring their leaders conversations? (3) What would Americans think is say Germany did the same to us? Why we feel the need to spy on our friends is something I can't understand. Spying on say, Iraq is one thing. But spying on Germany or England is another. OUR GOVERNMENT SCREWED UP. You don't do things simply because you can.

Posted by: Bubba at October 27, 2013 07:07 AM

23 Bubba? And you trusted our last government? We don't get to hit the reset button every time a new president is elected. Didn't seem so bad then but OMFG, we have a "lefty" in charge now!! It;s been happening for at least 15 years now. And you just now decided to complain about it? You're late to the party...champ!

Posted by: Bomp! at October 27, 2013 04:28 PM

24 Your conclusion that I trusted our last government is pretty far out. So you believe all conservatives that differ with the present government agrees with the last.
Just now decided to complain about it? Ha, ha, ha.
I started the party and you prove to be an assuming lefturd. As far as I'm concerned Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan where the only modern day presidents worth their salt.
At this day and time it's impossible for an honest man to win the presidency. Too much money needed. Getting that money means deals must be made. People/companies/unions don't give a 100 million dollars to a candidate without expecting something back. Therefore: To be president you must be corrupt.

Posted by: Bubba at October 27, 2013 07:37 PM

25 Thanks for joining the party Bubba! Wait! Which party are you talking about? TeaTurds? Retardturds? Turdblossoms? You bitched about talking "ghetto" but you seem to like doing it yourself.

Posted by: Bomp! at October 27, 2013 08:31 PM

26 "5 So, once again, I have to ask these questions:

Are you pissed off that Snowden leaked the NSA surveillance on America. Or, are you pissed off that the NSA is performing surveillance on America?"

BOTH is the correct answer.

And I was referring to the party you were referring to. I've been around much, much longer than you.



Posted by: Bubba at October 28, 2013 07:06 AM

27 Bomp says: This NSA shit started well before Obama took charge and the republicans said nothing! Why is that? You don't give a fuck about this country, only your party. You know this. Accept it. And stop pretending."
So Bomp believes that when this spying was exposed has nothing to do with it? Bomp believes leaders of other nations complaining (Germany) about it has nothing to do with it?
What shiney thing did the left give you? It works like this. You report a robbery when you discover it. Most Americans aren't privy to what the NSA does. THEREFORE: Get it?

Posted by: Bubba at October 28, 2013 07:17 AM

28 Bomp seems to worry about the ghetto. I didn't mean to get personal. Sorry.

Posted by: Bubba at October 28, 2013 09:02 AM






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