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The problem with the idea of false flag operations is that once you've decided that the government is really that good at conspiratorially producing falsified evidence, then any time they are spurned to action by an event you have a ready made answer: it was a false flag operation!

9/11 began the war on terror that you don't approve of: false flag!

A government that can do that (and Kennedy assassination, and Obama's birth certificate, and the moon landing) certainly could pull off, say, a fake school massacre.

You think I'm joking? I wish I was:

A communication professor known for conspiracy theories has stirred controversy at Florida Atlantic University with claims that last month's Newtown, Conn., school shootings did not happen as reported or may not have happened at all....

...he says, "While it sounds like an outrageous claim, one is left to inquire whether the Sandy Hook shooting ever took place at least in the way law enforcement authorities and the nation's news media have described."...

n an interview Monday, Tracy said "while it appears that people lost their lives" at Sandy Hook Elementary on Dec. 14, he is not ready to buy that a lone gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, entered the school and methodically shot 20 children and six adults before killing himself.

Get it, Lanza was a patsy. Just like Lee Harvey Oswald. Or the 19 "hijackers".

The government wants to take away your guns, so what does it do? Orchestrate a massacre -- a false flag operation.

Once you go down the conspiracy hole everything "begins to make sense". As Ace just said parenthetically, but pretty well:

I always notice that the fanciful mindset tends to be indiscriminate about its phantoms; a conspiracist will believe in seven conspiracies, not one, and someone who believes in ghosts will almost certainly also believe in two or more of the following: UFOs, Atlantis, faeries in the garden, astral projection, pyramid power, Rosecrucianism, psychic abilities, Shadow People, and/or Bigfoot.
Add birthers and truthers to that list.

Posted by: Rusty at 05:18 PM


1 Hey... I believe in UFO's and bigfoot.

Posted by: Fasternu426 at January 08, 2013 06:03 PM

2 Conspiracy theorists are the biggest "sheeple" of them all. Feed them some half-truths mixed with fallacies and they'll swallow it whole.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at January 08, 2013 06:36 PM

3 So tell me Rusty PHD:
Since I believe all the mad mullahs, various imams, assorted jihadis and crazed islamics that claim I need to be dead; am I down the conspiracy hole?
Now note the events of the past year, including in this blog, a imam prayer leader that shot a British soldier, sudden jihad syndrome strikes everywhere without warning. That seems to be proof that to not trust ANY islamic is the truth.

Posted by: Kafiroon at January 08, 2013 07:03 PM

4 So... if you think about the fact that the mass shootings generally happen during democrat admins... if you think about the fact that the fast and the furious was designed to infuriate people about guns, and you think about the fact that the Dad of the shooter in Sandy Hook works for the Army's Psyops division at the pentagon, and you think about the fact the mom who had those weapons didnt bother to lock them up even though she knew she had psycho kid and you hear about the guns found in the parking lot at the school that disappeared and the horrible interviews given by the Coroner... you see why us stupid people could have such stupid ideas...

Posted by: James at January 08, 2013 08:17 PM

5 Anyone who believes anything that any government official or mainstream media propagandist says, is a freaking idiot.

Posted by: red at January 08, 2013 08:31 PM

6 I believe in Unidentified Flying Objects and Sasscratch. I even saw a picture of her once at the White House. Tho I do think having a president with loyalty only to the United States is asking too much.

Posted by: Mope at January 08, 2013 09:06 PM

7 "you hear about the guns found in the parking lot at the school that disappeared"

Example of half-truths combining with fallacies to create fictions. Nothing "disappeared"; there was incorrect/incomplete information early on, and it got corrected. Rather than understanding that's the way it happens when information is slowly coming out -- and that the press' incompetence and lust for blood makes it worse -- the conspiracy sheeple build their cloud castles around bad information.

I guess it's easier than thinking...

Posted by: Rob Crawford at January 08, 2013 09:29 PM

8 This list is typical of people that want to brand anyone with a non main stream belief with the same "nutjob" handle.
I not only believe in ghosts. I have had a personal and not very pleasant encounter with one. Operation Blue Book ring any bells re UFOs? Lots of UFO's are still not accounted for with a valid explanation from that project. Atlantis, well belief in the existence of such a place goes back to ancient times, most scoffers really mean the belief that it was some sort of enlightened society that was destroyed by its misuse of advanced technologies. Faeries in the
garden, well I never believed in them but now they are wandering the streets everywhere you go, astral projection, that one I'm putting in the slightly loopy bin, pyramid power, a conjob to sell crap to the gullible, no-one really believes in it these days, Rosecrucianism, well since there are millions of people throughout the world that consider themselves Rosecrucians you better list Christian, Muslim and all the other faiths as well, psychic
abilities, we all have them, a sense of foreboding, a last minute decision to not take a particular plane or other voyage for no good reason other than a feeling, Shadow People, never heard of them, must be a state side fad that hasn't gotten here yet and/or Bigfoot you trying to imply I don't exist. Man are you going to get a big surprise when my foot catches up with your ass.

Posted by: The Realist of Queensland at January 08, 2013 09:30 PM

9 So now it's easier than thinking. Nice comment that one. We criticize the left for personal attacks instead of dealing with the issues, but I guess it's ok here now.

I understand the danger of reading too much into witness statements - they often cause more harm then good, unless of course it is somebody who is trained to deal with a stressfull situation, then I start to wonder. Or should I just take my questioning elsewhere? should I just blindly trust everything? It seems there are alot of people on this site who enjoy questioning things, why is it not ok to question this one? Did you follow the orginal link and read what was put together? It actually made some sense... or are just saying, well I saw it on TV it must be true? I want to know why it is not ok to question this??

And maybe we should go back to the birther debate... the man who wont release college transcripsts... the man who is in question releases a birth certificate, so I should stop questioning??

Posted by: James at January 08, 2013 09:41 PM

10 Discovery Channel? Ain't discovered nothing real.
Learning Channel? Never taught a damn thing real.
History Channel? Stuff that never really happened.
National Geographic Channel? 24/7 Global warming/fake science.
White House Press? 100% lies.
Hollywood/TV/Movies/Media? 100% Bullshite.
Reality TV? Freak shows portrayed as real.
Did I leave anything out?
We are being distracted while the sly cat eats our ham sandwich.

Posted by: EROWMER at January 08, 2013 10:15 PM

11 Or you could realize the horrible truth. That these guys understand lying better than most people. The birthers are a perfect example. Remember the first birthers were Obama himself and a Hillary supporter. They put red meat out and waited for folks on our team to bite it. And once that happened the whole topic of Obama's obviously false origin story became off limits, out in crazy town.

But it is undisputable fact Obama himself peddled the Kenyan origin story to sell his first book and probably sold his early political career in the PC world of Chicago politics.

It is also indisputable fact, assuming we accept the published bith cert, that Mr. Obama is not a natural born citizen eligible for POTUS. While born on US soil, his father was not a US citizen at any point in his life. And if that isn't enough, again we take this direct from Obama/Ayers writing in Dreams from My Father, that he was adopted by his stepfather and thus legally became an Indonesian citizen. So riddle me this, on what planet is a person with legal claim to American, Kenyan/British and Indonesian citizenship "Natural Born?"

See the trick they pulled on everyone? They wrapped an inconvienent truth inside a convienient lie.

Posted by: John Morris at January 08, 2013 10:49 PM

12 Rusty, after seeing what this government did in Vietnam and the lies they told, I'm not saying they false flag anything, but I damn sure wouldn't trust them to tell me the truth about anything they do.

Posted by: Moshe Ben Avram at January 09, 2013 08:07 AM

13 Rusty,

I'll give you ghosts, UFOs, and bigfoot, and Nessy......

UFOs--inconceivable we're not alone in the universe (maybe they don't fly and visit.....maybe 'extra-terrestrial' is something akin to goose crap splattered on some far away moon/planet/asteroid....

Ghosts---too much strange stuff not to exist--something paranormal. Too much unexplained to be explained and 'power' that is out of our mental grasp. There's definate evil in the world and some times it's spookies.....

Bigfoot--I really want to believe that one.

Nessy (strange creatures)--gotta be some stuff out there that we don't know about--Nessy is plausible. I wont start on the Mekele Membe in the Congo.....

Posted by: c.l. lucas at January 09, 2013 08:32 AM

14 What is the comment the Left incessantly makes: I question the Timing..

Posted by: skippy at January 09, 2013 10:30 AM

15 Rusty what about the Giant Conspiracy of Global Warming ? or the Giant Conspiracy of the Democrats to manufacture Massive Voter Fraud or the Conspiracy to seize all of the guns in America so that the UN can take over ? or the Giant Conspiracy of Jews to take over and control all media? Or the Giant Conspiracy to implement Sharia Law here in the USA ? uhhhh and that one about massive voter fraud didn't that appear on one of your posts the day after the election???? My usual reply to anyone who talks about our government being involved in a secret conspiracy is: does anyone really believe our government (either under Obama or Bush) is competent enough to do a secret conspiracy without it hitting the front page ? And when lies are repeated often enough many people do believe, about 25% think Obama is a muslim born in Kenya.

Posted by: occam at January 09, 2013 01:36 PM

16 In the end the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Posted by: occam at January 09, 2013 01:37 PM

17 Typical academic. Can't teach. Try another method to get attention.

Posted by: White Devil at January 09, 2013 06:33 PM

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