When Deranged Homeowners And Youthful Criminals Collide

Damn it, I don't know which side I have more sympathy for!

Smith was sitting in his basement when he heard footsteps around his house leading him to believe someone was attempting to get inside. Smith heard a window break in the upstairs of his residence and then footsteps walking down the hall. Smith said he shot Schaeffel as he was descending the basement stairs, then fired again into the teen’s face as he lay on the floor looking at him. Smith was quoted in the complaint as telling an investigator, “I want him dead.”

Smith told investigators that he put Nicholas Brady Schaeffel’s body on a tarp and dragged the body into his basement workshop before returning to his chair.

A few minutes later, Smith said he once again heard footsteps on the main floor of his home and then saw Haile Kifer descending his basement stairs. Smith waited until Kifer was halfway down the steps and then shot her. He said Kifer tumbled down the steps to the basement floor. Smith attempted to fire another shot at Kifer, however his mini 14 rifle jammed and he was unable to. Smith told investigators that Kifer laughed at him and acknowledged that her laughter upset him.

“If you’re trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again,” Smith said in the complaint.

Smith then pulled a .22 caliber revolver he was carrying and shot Kifer several times in the chest. [...]

Smith said he then dragged Kifer’s body into the office workshop and placed her body next to Schaeffel. Smith said that Kifer was still gasping for air so he shot her under the chin in what he described as “a good, clean finishing shot.” (Source)

If I had to choose, I think it would be on the side of the homeowner. The guy is clearly disturbed, but his disturbed state of mind wasn't bothering anyone until they illegally invaded his home.

If you are a burglar, 9 times out of 10 you will encounter an empty home or passive, frightened residents. If the one time its Leatherface, well that's the gamble you took when you decided to break and enter.

Posted by: DMartyr at 05:56 PM

Comments

1 Yes, most burglars are harmless dumbshits, until they are caught in the act and go animal. Then they will try to kill you.

Posted by: Mark at November 28, 2012 06:20 PM

2 I'm with Leatherface.

Posted by: Hand Solo at November 28, 2012 06:35 PM

3 As a general rule, most states allow you to defend yourself when you're in your own home (the castle doctrine, your home is your castle and you shouldn't be forced to retreat from it), but there's a difference from being allowed to defend oneself, and "finishing the perp off." What this guy initially did was 100% justifiable, and had he done nothing further, he likely wouldn't even have been charged, but once he shot and incapacitated these two, and they no longer posed a threat, and he proceeded to shoot them again....it's going to be really hard to say that it was necessary, nor does it look good that he put them on a tarp and dragged them into his office, and didn't at the least call the cops.

Posted by: G at November 28, 2012 07:52 PM

4 I honestly couldn't care less. He did society a favour and now we know to stay out of his way.

Posted by: STV at November 28, 2012 07:59 PM

5 #3 = party pooper.

Posted by: DMartyr at November 28, 2012 08:00 PM

6 Smith has serious legal issues here, not to mention psychological ones.

Having a hard time buying the story that he shot one burglar TWICE and the 2nd one thought it was a good idea to come down the basement stairs anyway. Unless the first kid was armed with a gun. Even so - hard one to believe.

Also, who mocks the guy who just shot them when the other shot dead body is on the floor?

Bath salts or bullshit.

Posted by: LauraWalkerKC at November 28, 2012 08:16 PM

7 You gatta ax yousef, did I fire five shots or six, well puke. If I reload, did I fire 10 shots, or do I reload again, well puke.

Posted by: LaZrtx at November 28, 2012 08:51 PM

8 I would have, "accidentally" killed them each with the first shot.

Posted by: Pizza the Hut at November 28, 2012 08:52 PM

9 I generally consider how i will defend myself from the district attorney as well as from the bad guys, but i'm relatively young right now. When i am 64 like mister Smith i'll probably not give a damn anymore.

Fill yer hands, punks.



Posted by: Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder at November 28, 2012 09:28 PM

10
from the huff-po:

MINNEAPOLIS — A car linked to two Minnesota teens who were fatally
shot during an alleged home burglary on Thanksgiving Day contained
prescription drugs that had been stolen from another house, authorities
said Wednesday.

Nicholas Brady, 17, and his cousin, Haile Kifer, 18, were killed in
the Little Falls home of Byron Smith, who has since been charged with
murder.

ooooo, pictures of everyone!!
http://tiny.cc/r6jiow

Posted by: Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder at November 28, 2012 09:36 PM

11 Holy shit.

Posted by: Kevin at November 29, 2012 01:39 AM

12 Ahh the sacredness of life what next shooting shoplifters?

Posted by: occam at November 29, 2012 06:48 AM

13 So what if Smith has mental issues, so long as he keeps them in his house. And posts a sign in the front yard. '99% likey to smoke your ass if you break into my house. So go pick on the guy next door. He doesn't believe in guns and doesn't have one."

I've give Smith probabtion and partly confine him to his house. And warn him that if he shoots some jackass in public, to make sure Smith read themhis rights first andthen shot them.
{tongue in cheek...mostly}

Posted by: TheHat at November 29, 2012 07:53 AM

14 I don't see a problem here. He took down his prey and provided what is called the coup de grace. We did the same thing in 'Nam. That made sure your prey didn't jump back up and either shoot you or throw a grenade your way. I would have done the same thing, but when asked, would have told the cops I shot them again because they kept on coming.

Posted by: Moshe Ben Avram at November 29, 2012 08:07 AM

15 the one shot one kill rule wouldve been beneficial to everyone involved here

Posted by: old cowboy at November 29, 2012 09:28 AM

16 His story doesn't add up. A mini-14 is a hell of a loud gun, and you're telling me the girl heard the shots, then waited a few minutes before going down the basement steps to see what happened to her boyfriend. Unless she was deaf, she would have heard the shots, and ran off, even if she were outside the house.

Also, why the hell did he go back to working instead of calling the police.

The guys own story makes him guilty of murder 2. The truth and what he said happened are probably two separate things.

If the kids broke in, they deserved to be shot, but something tells me they had not broke in. Think about it, if you are a girl there with your boyfriend at some guys house, and they go down to the basement to get some stuff, then you hear a couple of gunshots, then you might go down to see what happened, after a while.

Posted by: You Have An Ugly Goat at November 29, 2012 10:06 AM

17 Maybe the old guy wasn't working. Maybe he was watching (or listening to) a ball game. As I am 64, too, I side with him on one condition, that being he tightens up his targeting.

Posted by: EROWMER at November 29, 2012 11:29 AM

18 No one but the shooter knows what happened. The perps broke into his house and he shot them. Good for him.

Posted by: Mark at November 29, 2012 11:59 AM

19 #5 I'm sorry, but it is generally true.

As to #14's point about 'Nam, I think that it bears pointing out that that was a war zone, as long as you don't violate the ROE you can do just about anything you want, and kill anything you want, but this is a civy systematically (or at least that's how the DA will argue it) killing these kids, after he had already incapacitated them. It reminds me of the California case from the 90s that helped touch off the riots, People v. Du, there you had a Korean grocer who thought that she was about to be robbed, so she pulled a gun and killed 15 year old girl, catch was, the girl was walking away, no longer posed a threat, and Du was convicted of manslaughter, although she only got like 5 years probation. You're not allowed to kill someone, especially not allowed to execute them, once you've incapacitated them, or they've disengaged from the fight. However much we may wish that we could do so sometimes.

Posted by: G at November 29, 2012 01:05 PM

20 The shooting occurred on Thanksgiving day. The guy called the police the day after. He told them that he didn't want to bother them on the holiday, so he left the bodies in his basement for the day.

It sounds like these kids broke into the wrong Rec-Room.

Posted by: Mister X at November 29, 2012 01:37 PM

21 Did you look at the photos attached to the article?

This screams, "Crazy Fella in the House"...

http://spotted.brainerddispatch.com/photos/index.php?id=3654973

Posted by: Mister X at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM

22 1. Use a larger caliber.
2. Several quick rounds.
3. One to the head. (Hit while falling)
4. New clip.
5. Call police.
(While being Very frightened & needing "Help"!)

Posted by: Kafiroon at November 29, 2012 04:38 PM

23 Wait a minute! Something does not add up here. While leatherface looks like he could get real warm and fuzzy killing two young people the young people don't look like the type to break in.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say He found a way to get these people in his house by invite, force or duress and then went all pulp fiction on them.
Charge him, lock his happy ass up and have a good long look at just WTF happened.

Posted by: obsidian at November 29, 2012 05:33 PM

24 K, the 12 ga Remington 870 Express solves such problems. Why screw around with wimpy pistol rounds when a load of shot will do the deed?

Posted by: Mark at November 29, 2012 07:45 PM

25 Mark: :) Yup!

Posted by: Kafiroon at November 29, 2012 11:32 PM

26 I can't get a concealed carry permit here in Tacostan. Shotguns work miracles.

Posted by: Mark at December 01, 2012 03:16 PM






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