Enemy Propaganda, the Press, and Why it Matters

bakr_brigades_ramadi_massacre_revenge.jpgMichelle Malkin does an excellent job in today's Vent. Go check it out. The second half of today's Vent talks about an earlier story, run in the Los Angeles Times, about 30 civilians alleged to have been killed in Ramadi. Now thoroughly debunked. But which the Times refuses to retract.

Incidentally, al Quds press and Mafkarat al-Islam (Islam Memo), two Islamist news sources with ties to Sunni insurgents also published the same report (English synopsis here). Which means it is very likely that the stringers which the LA Times relied on were, in fact, the same ones employed by al Quds & Mafkarat al-Islam. In other words, insurgent propagandists themselves!

The US State Department calls Mafkarat al-Islam, "the most unreliable source of "news" about Iraq on the Internet." Good job LA Times!

Reuters own stringers, who themselves often have ties to the Sunni insurgency, only reported that unnamed witnesses, "saw several bodies of adult men lying in a street. Of course, these "sources" claimed the young men were just playing soccer.

Two different accounts of the same incident from the MSM. One of them claiming women and children bombed, the other young men killed. Neither of them meshing with first hand reports from US soldiers engaged in the conflict.

So, why does this matter? Because the terrorists disseminate media reports about "attrocities" amongst themselves. They use reports, such as the "Ramadi massacre" to prove to the world that they are really freedom fighters and that it is US forces that are killing civilians in Iraq.

Earlier I had reported that it was Ansar al Sunna which had produced a "Ramadi revenge" video. I was wrong. It was another insurgent group, Jaish Abu Bakr, which produced the video. The video shows four attacks "in response to the massacre of civilians by the Crusaders in the city of al-Ramadi during air strikes"

What massacre of civilians? The one that didn't happen. The one, though, that the LA Times and the Islamist al Quds press reported.

I'm not inclined to believe that members of the Jaish Abu Bakr brigades read the Times, but they do read al Quds and Mafkarat al-Islam. Reading those publications and others which routinely accuse the US of war crimes leads Muslims around the world to view this conflict as one in which we are the bad guys--or at the very least, to equivocate between the resistance and the occupiers.

The more that believe, the larger the pool for potential jihadis. And from among that pool, the jihadis are recruited.

Now, the US and Western public is being exposed to the same jihadi propaganda. Only coming from our own media. And is there any reason that the American public should believe reports coming from Iraq when at least some of the sources for those reports are clearly enemy propagandists? I. Think. Not.

Posted by: Rusty at 04:00 PM

Comments

1 Wow personal ad hominem attacks? wow the inmaturity of it all makes salami jawa alikoum look like a fool. why would he even post something like that?...never mind dont need to tell me, just pass me another HEAT round please with the smiley face on it.

Posted by: DAT at November 30, 2006 06:04 PM

2 He has been banned, and post removed.

Posted by: Rusty at November 30, 2006 06:04 PM

3 Seeing bloggers going toe to toe with the MSM, it does seem a bit like David and Goliath.

I know I mentioned that I knew some 'Militia' people. I remember seeing how the MSM treated the militias in general. They were all a bunch of 'white neo nazi types' who were 'paranoid gun nuts with machine guns' etc. A bunch of bunk!

I can say from personal knowledge that the MSM never gave the militias (in Montana anyway) a fair shake in reporting. The true reasons for this might be found in the fact of MSM political bias.

The one big militia meeting in my area had maybe 900 people (families even) show up to find out more information. People in the area were getting upset over the erosion of rights by the growing welfare state, gun control, and Clinton's executive orders.

Unfortunatly, just like you see at the 9-11 memorial site, there were a few fruit cakes. One had some white supremacist material, and sure enough, he got all the MSM camera time. Funny thing, but I understand that the only guys who stopped for him were reporters. In that detail of coverage, some atendees saw an active effort to discredit the whole event.

Most militia people I knew loved the US Constitution, very patriotic, and were very threatened by big government, activist courts, ATF fascism, and big money social engineering by the Soros's and Turner's of the world. All of these were, and still are legitimate concerns.

Legitimate concerns except if your a far left liberal. In that case a socialist super nanny state is exactly what you want. Plus, as a far left liberal, you naturally see yourself as part of the enlightened elite, or new ruling class, so why not get started?

The MSM likes fredom fighters, but only if they are imagined to be socialist friendly. That is where the MSM is deluding itself. Islamofascists aren't friendly to anything but their sick, dark vision.

The MSM gets what it is looking for from stringers. Tales of noble freedom fighters, and Capitalist oppression. Women and children trampled because of greed, while the 'resistance' rises to combat them. How romantic ...

and how wrong.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 30, 2006 06:18 PM

4 That '900' people figure was an estimate of one attendee. Someone else said it couldn't have been more than 600, so I guess I need to make that disclaimer. Sorry for any mix up.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 30, 2006 06:21 PM

5 <i>"The MSM gets what it is looking for from stringers. Tales of noble freedom fighters, and Capitalist oppression. Women and children trampled because of greed, while the 'resistance' rises to combat them. How romantic ... "</i>

<b>True, and the stringers get what they want, money. They are paid by the story. More stories equals more money.</b>

Don't have a story today...?

Make one up.

Papa Ray

Posted by: Papa Ray at November 30, 2006 09:05 PM

6 "Reuters own stringers, who themselves often have ties to the Sunni insurgency..."

Uh, have any proof of that?

Papa Ray-

Uh, have any proof of that?

Let's see...who's over there risking their lives to bring us news of what's going on? You know these guys can get killed for working for Americans right? It's one thing to go after the "liberal MSM", but to go after the actual Iraqis risking their lives to tell us fat and lazy Americans what's happening over there? That's pretty sorry Papa.

Posted by: Xanthippas at November 30, 2006 11:13 PM

7 I don't get it.

Over 3000 Iraqis dead per month and you morons are concentrating on the reports of a few that, allegedly, didn't really die?

Simply fucking amazing!

Why is this such an important story, like the one about the muslims that weren't set on fire?

You have dedicated several threads to bashing the MSM's reporting of the bad news, but I still haven't seen the "Happy Iraq News" thread.

Maybe you should get your news from the Fox News reporters, wandering around Iraq.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Those pussies have cut and run, since barely getting out of there with their skins.

If any of them are still there, they are reporting from deep inside the green zone.

Since Bill O'liely and Sean Vannity don't like the way the MSM reports the news, they should go to downtown Baghdad for the "happy Iraq" stories".

Maybe some of you guys should go as "stringers".
I'm sure that the pussy brothers would love to have additional targets, to reduce the chance of being hit by a sniper's bullet.

So much for the "fair and balanced" reporting of Faux News.

What is their rating, again? I hear that it's heading for Antarctica.

BTW -

"He has been banned, and post removed.
Posted by: Rusty at November 30, 2006 06:04 PM"

What did HE (whoever he is? - his name may not be spoken here, again) do to get banned?

I guess I'm just not trying hard enough, huh?

Posted by: PuddleDuck at December 01, 2006 06:08 AM

8 I don't get it.

Over 3000 Iraqis dead per month and you morons are concentrating on the reports of a few that, allegedly, didn't really die?

Simply fucking amazing!

Why is this such an important story, like the one about the muslims that weren't set on fire?

You have dedicated several threads to bashing the MSM's reporting of the bad news, but I still haven't seen the "Happy Iraq News" thread.

Maybe you should get your news from the Fox News reporters, wandering around Iraq.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Those pussies have cut and run, since barely getting out of there with their skins.

If any of them are still there, they are reporting from deep inside the green zone.

Since Bill O'liely and Sean Vannity don't like the way the MSM reports the news, they should go to downtown Baghdad for the "happy Iraq" stories".

Maybe some of you guys should go as "stringers".
I'm sure that the pussy brothers would love to have additional targets, to reduce the chance of being hit by a sniper's bullet.

So much for the "fair and balanced" reporting of Faux News.

What is their rating, again? I hear that it's heading for Antarctica.

BTW -

"He has been banned, and post removed.
Posted by: Rusty at November 30, 2006 06:04 PM"

What did HE (whoever he is? - his name may not be spoken here, again) do to get banned?

I guess I'm just not trying hard enough, huh?

Posted by: PuddleDuck at December 01, 2006 06:10 AM

9 Sorry about the double post. Getting errors and assume that the post didn't make it.

Since I know you guys hang on every word I write, I wouldn't want for any of you to be deprived.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at December 01, 2006 06:16 AM

10 Sorry about the double post, but your new blocker seems to have a problem.

It seems to think that my posts have something to do with "weapons" and is, therefore, trying to block my posts.

You really need to get this fixed.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at December 01, 2006 06:21 AM

11 Xanthippas: The media has told us themselves that most don't even
leave their hotels. And the "Iraqis risking their lives to tell
us fat and lazy Americans" anything is true - to some extent, - but
your comment makes them all out to be heroes while ignoring a very real
problem. I've no problem with giving credit where it's due.
However, your implication that they're all honorable is misleading and
disingenuous, while ignoring that that Papa Ray and Rusty did not speak
about ALL those who report or ALL those who tell them stories.
You can search Rusty's archives for the proof you want about stringers
tied to insurgent groups. And yes, stringers do get paid for
their work.



We all have a healthy distrust of government, and skepticism is a good
quality to have these days, but why would you automatically believe
anything that comes down the pipe there just because it sounds bad?

Posted by: Oyster at December 01, 2006 06:23 AM

12 Puddle Duck. Bear with us, we are being spammed hard and I'm sure your post just get's caught up in the filter because a combination of words matches a spam item. Fixed is a relative term.

Posted by: Howie at December 01, 2006 09:11 AM

13 PD, Yesterday Jawa covered two major good news stories from Iraq comepletely missed by the MSM. They were all focused on the ISG's plan for gradual retreat or whatever. While that was going on, a major terror group has been decapitated and a Baghdad sniper cell has been captured. Not a peep. The good news is out there, but that's not what is being fed to the MSM. They rarely print the news releases from CENTCOM and the Iraqi government because they are afraid of seeming like propaganda tools. However, their 'anomyous' sources are even more unreliable, and the evidence that they are getting propoganda from the enemy is building. The blogs are the cracks that are appearing in the
facade, just like with RatherGate. All the MSM outlets are hanging together for the moment, knowing that if one goes down, they all go down together. But as soon as the evidence becomes
incontrovertible, one of them will break ranks, and the whole thing will fall apart.

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