Radio Host: Incumbents 'May Have to be Assassinated'

In a lengthy rant, anti-semitic radio host Hal Turner (pic) believes that 1.350 "patriot assassins" would be a large enough force to overwhelm Secret Service agents and Capitol Police and deal with the "problems" posed by half the US House and Senate and "at least three problems" on the Supreme Court:

As the November 7 Election approaches, I decided to write a few lines to my fellow Americans about the state of our nation and the ugliness that may have to occur if the people who caused these problems are re-elected: They may have to be assassinated.
Among the crimes for which Turner believes these folks "may" have to die are passage of the Patriot Act and ruling that boating, hunting and fishing in navigable waterways is illegal.

In the comments on his website, Turner writes that his careful choice of words gives him legal cover:

hey hal instead of saying "may" SAY you WILL KILL THEM!!! grow some balls!

------------------- Hal Turner responds:

No no no no no. Words mean things. The difference between "may" and "will" is the difference between an opinion and a threat.

One is lawful, the other is not.

It's not a matter of balls, it's a matter of brains!

HT

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Jamie | 10.27.06 - 6:37 pm | #

No word yet on whether the FBI agrees.

Interestingly, while Turner's radio show and website are popular with Nazi and White Power types, most of Turner's views are shared by Democrats.

Via the Drudge Report.

Posted by: Bluto at 11:01 PM

Comments

1 It sure is GREAT living in a country that you can actually SAY what you think!

FREE ERNST ZUNDEL!

FREE CHESTER DOLES!

Posted by: Jim Leshkevich at October 29, 2006 11:55 PM

2 Why isn't he in jail yet.

Posted by: dcb at October 30, 2006 12:21 AM

3 They're also talking about this over on www.Stormfront.org

AOL blocks Srormfront as they don't believe in free speech...but you can use Internet Explorer or any other browser.

Posted by: Jim Leshkevich at October 30, 2006 12:52 AM

4 dcb said: "Why isn't he in jail yet?"

In jail for what? What country are you from pal? We in the USA have free speech! We can voice our opinions freely here. (we have a Bill Of Rights that protects unpopular speech!)

Obviously you can't speak freely in the country you live in?

Posted by: Jim Leshkevich at October 30, 2006 01:00 AM

5 slovak: either use links and excerpts or start your own blog. - Bluto

Posted by: slovack at October 30, 2006 01:10 AM

6 Paragraphs breaks are your friend!

Posted by: Mr. Period at October 30, 2006 02:11 AM

7 Paragraph should be singular.

Posted by: Mr. Period at October 30, 2006 02:12 AM

8 Does the comments function have a post length limiting option?

Posted by: Phillep at October 30, 2006 08:19 AM

9 Rant

Posted by: SeeMonk at October 30, 2006 08:26 AM

10 Yikes...I didn't get the memo it was "off your meds day".

Posted by: Randman at October 30, 2006 08:29 AM

11 I don't care for Turner as I think that he is a Federal agent trying to stir up trouble. People that say things without thinking scare me. Civil War II is coming of this I have no doubts. We have a government that is controlled by someone besides the people. Call it what you like Zionist, Bilder Burghers, Free Mason's or International corporations the enemy is there and he wants our Nation to meld in with the One World government. Phase one is this plan to meld us into a North American union. The constitution will be a relic if this happens our right will be gone. Our right to speak will be a memory and our right to bear arms a source of bitterness as they impose rules on us and we have no way to resist. We need to vote all of these bastards out and get rid of the two parties by developing a third, fourth and fifth party. We have not lost yet but it seems that the chance to do it without bloodshed slips further away every day.

Posted by: John at October 30, 2006 08:36 AM

12 YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: NewsGuy at October 30, 2006 08:56 AM

13 Slovak, man even I don't go off that much when I'm presenting support and covering all the bases. You want to go off that much why don't you try getting your own blog and stop the copypasta?

Posted by: Ranba Ral at October 30, 2006 09:15 AM

14 Okay, I have to agree with Hal on this one; our government is
irredeemably corrupt, though for somewhat different reasons than
gregturd and his buddies think, (it ain't just the JOOOOOoooozzz), and
if I heard that an army of citizens had stormed the Capitol, executed
all the vermin within, and declared America free from tyranny, I would
cry tears of joy.

We the People have let ourselves be shackled and neutered, and are now
paying the price. Our enemies walk our streets and breathe our air, all
while openly declaring their hatred of us and their intent to kill us
and take our wives and daughters as war booty, while the government
pays them tribute with the money we earn, and all we do is wring our
hands and wonder what's on TV this week.

A horrible, cleansing storm is coming, and we stand like sheep in the
pasture, too dumb to seek shelter, while those who have appointed
themselves our masters seek shelter by strengthening their hold on us
and tightening our shackles so that our Liberty won't interfere with
their avarice.

The Federal government is our greatest enemy, because it enables all
other enemies and sells our blood and freedom for cash. Those
elected to public office, and the unelected bureaucrats who are our new
aristocracy, have made a pact against us, and will only allow us to
think we're free as long as we don't impede their pillage of the
national treasury and usurpation of powers. Once we wake up and demand
the restoration of what is right and proper, then we shall truly see
the nature of the beast, and we will be forced to fight or accept
slavery.

Anyone who thinks that our government is on our side is pathetically
mistaken. Each and every high-ranking bureaucrat and elected official,
upon retirement begins receiving a stiped from the Saudis in the form
of "consulting fees", usually through a series of middlemen.
Nixon was bought the day after he won the election by Adnan Kashoggi, a
Saudi middleman, for an easy one million dollars cash, setting a
precedent which continues to this day, as evinced by Bush's refusal to
hold the Saudi's accountable for supporting this war against us.

The time for revolution is at hand, and anyone who isn't ready doesn't
have much chance, but that's okay, it's the law of the jungle; the
strong survive, and the weak are killed and eaten. So go back to your
McDisney world where granny gets a full body cavity search while
unevolved muslim animals walk by sneering at our stupidity, as they
rightly should, because we're going to get what we deserve, and the
longer it's put off, the higher the bill will be.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 30, 2006 09:17 AM

15 dcb wrote:
Personally, I live in America where it's illegal to threaten the President and/or to incite people to violence. He did both.

No he didn't. This is long settled by the US Supreme Court as protected speech pursuant to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court as follows:

"Brandenburg v. Ohio" 395 U.S. 444, 447 (1969) as the remarks published are uttered in a context which does not lend itself to imminent lawlessness, AND;

The remarks do not constitute a "true threat" as defined by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case "Virginia v. Black" 538 U.S. 343, 359
A "True Threat" is delivered in person, face to face and in a manner which causes the person to believe the threat is going to take place upon his person immediately.

Finally, what Turner said does not rise to the level of a crime based upon the US Supreme Court case "Watts v. United States" 394 U.S. 705 (1969) Id. at 708 which specifically applies to this type "political hyperbole."

In the Watts case, the man said that if he was drafted and got a rifel, the first person he would point it at would have been then-President, LBJ.

Watts was arrested and found guilty. On appeal, a US CIrcuit court upheld the conviction. It was appealed to the US Supreme court which found "the ocnditional nature of the threat "if they gave him a rifle the first person he would aim at. . ." Thus, such talk is mere political hyperbole.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Posted by: One Who Knows at October 30, 2006 09:34 AM

16 "What country do you live in?"

Personally, I live in America where it's illegal to threaten the President and/or to incite people to violence. He did both. The Bill of Rights doesn't protect illegal speech. This is his first warning. Next time throw him in the slammer.

Posted by: dcb at October 30, 2006 09:54 AM

17 There doesn't look to be anything illegal about what Hal Turner said. Using the words 'IF' and "SHOULD" have already been upheld by the Supreme Court in cases. Once a man said, "If Lyndon Johnson gets elected President he should be shot." Johnson later became President and the Secret Service arrested the man. The court ruled that it wasn't possible for the man to be convicted on account of the word 'SHOULD' and also that it was a hyptohetical future event.

So, when you read Hal Turners commentary it's easy to see that he's aware of these court rulings and that he has made a near identical article so that the government knows they will have no case against him should they ever decide to arrest him for exercising free speech.

What amazes me most is not that Hal Turner said these things, but that Drudge, and the World Net Daily, took it so seriously that they wrote reports on it. Have they never heard of these cases, or did they just decide to omit referencing actual law ?

A much better article would have outlined the legal issues involved and determined it was within his rights to make his comments. In contrast the reporters went as far as to call the FBI on Hal Turner, which evidences that they have no idea what they're doing. I believe most every reporter should know these free speech laws and rulings, and I doubt it was a mistake. They just decided to use Hal Turners outrageous rhetoric to juxtapose him with White Nationalists on the internet. It provided them an oppurtunity to throw out words like 'hatemonger' and 'White Supremacist', which Hal Turner is neither.

Thanks,
Warren

Posted by: Warren at October 30, 2006 10:09 AM

18 DCB, incitement to violence is one thing, but incitement to revolution
is a right, and cannot be outlawed since that's exactly how our nation
came into being in the first place. England was our legal sovreign in
every way, but We the People decided to find a better way, and we can
do it again. The government is too corrupt to fix, and we should tear
the whole thing down and start over.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 30, 2006 10:50 AM

19 Actually, despite the language in the Declaration of Independence...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

...the Constitution is clear in outlawing "Insurection".

Posted by: Greg at October 30, 2006 11:02 AM

20 Ur, uh, "Insurrection".

Posted by: Greg at October 30, 2006 11:05 AM

21 Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: JeepThang at October 30, 2006 01:18 PM

22 One Who Knows: the various anti-income tax leagues had equally impressive "legal" justifications for their actions. Aren't their leaders mostly getting ass-raped in Federal prisons now?

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 30, 2006 02:21 PM

23 Golly! And I thought my post got long winded....
I guess I don't have to feel guilty ...

The problem with Turner, is that enough people are willing to plunge this country into civil war, to make his 'opinion' come true.

I live in Montana. There are literally hundreds of thousands of guns up here, and our state population probably isn't equal to 10% of NYC.

Many of these guns are suitable for sniper work, and many are in calibres that qualify as 'cop killer' types under some of the gun control efforts. Ashcroft made a smart call when pulled in the ATF's leash a bit. Most people up here equate them to the gestapo.

I have an even money chance of sitting down for a cup of coffee somewhere, and hear someone talking about how scary the government is, or the commies, or the UN, or how we may have to do something someday. Our state contains militia groups, and others, who are anxious to be left alone by Big Brother.

I wouldn't be at all far fetched for some 'fans' of Turner, to get themselves together and pull a 'John Brown'. I have been worried about this kind of thing for awhile. I have said this elsewhere, but I think we are dangerously close to a new civil war. I believe the left wants it to happen. Thats my conspiracy theory. :)

And with radical Islam breathing down our necks, this isn't a good time for it. If we get bogged down in a civil war, Islamists would be encouraged. This is what Bin Laden promised them. That we would collapse.

Even if the 'Turnerites' failed, they would spark a national disaster. Maybe not right away, but soon after, the tensions exposed by such an operation could grow completely out of control. Either a harsh crackdown on all liberties would follow, or a violent power struggle would break out. Or one, followed by the other.

Combine the timing of such a coup, with the sharpening drop in baby boomer economics, with illegal immigration, and you are kind of looking at the perfect storm. Its times like that that radical ideas become the new order.

In typical looney Montana fringe group tradition, I suggest you hide some survival gear, build a network of cells, and make an evacuation plan.


USA all the way! All the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at October 30, 2006 03:58 PM

24 The flim that Bluto doesn't want you to see:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198

Posted by: Greg at October 30, 2006 04:11 PM

25 Turner was displaying the famed tolerance and ethical superiority of the ideological left. He was also saying publicly what they all say privately. Hitler, Stalin and Maowould be so proud.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 30, 2006 08:57 PM

26 Anyone care to comment on the USS Liberty attack?

http://www.ussliberty.org/


How about the Wichita Massacre?

http://www.wichita-massacre.com/


What's that? You say you never heard of either of them?

What's that? You say it doesn't matter who controls our media?

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4231

Posted by: Jim Leshkevich at October 30, 2006 09:30 PM

27 You disappoint me, gregturd; a post about an anti-JOOOOOish rant and
all you do is write about "insurection"? Come on and tell us how the
Masons, Bildergergers, Illuminati, Rotary Club, etc, are all tools of
the JOOOOOOooooooooozzz!!!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 31, 2006 06:24 AM

28 Bluto tells someone to start their own blog. Will it be as successful as Bluto's? Look in the mirror asshole. Another good reason why your blog is a joke. So you want to bring the same stupidity to this blog. You've already done enough damage.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 06:39 AM

29 Great video you linked us to Greg. It confirms my rants. Rigged voting software, corporate greed pulling all the strings. And I didn't know I didn't have to pay taxes! Thanks! ;-)

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 31, 2006 08:07 AM

30 We Jews are the chosen and you are our pawns. Stupid goys.

Yes, we bombed the USS Liberty and there's nothing you can do about it.

Posted by: JDL at October 31, 2006 08:31 AM

31 Last Gasp,
I don't claim that you don't have to pay your taxes. I only claim it is the result of extortion.

Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2006 10:58 AM

32 Aw shucks!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 01, 2006 12:32 AM






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