It's Official: Sen. Kennedy a Traitor

Not that all of you haven't known that for some time. And to think, his big brother almost started a nuclear war standing up to the Soviets. I wonder what Jack would say now?

Sicky Notes has this from CNS News:

a KGB letter written at the height of the Cold War that shows that Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) offered to assist Soviet leaders in formulating a public relations strategy to counter President Reagan's foreign policy and to complicate his re-election efforts.
Is there a statute of limitations on treason?

Posted by: Rusty at 01:55 PM

Comments

1 http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday

Posted by: kli at October 20, 2006 03:01 PM

2 Holy BatShit Man.....



I mean...oh, you know what I mean!

Posted by: mrclark at October 20, 2006 03:40 PM

3 This calls for a Special Prosecutor to find out what other Democrats might be complicit in treason. Is that Fitzpatrick fellow available?

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 20, 2006 04:12 PM

4 WOW.

Wowowow.

I want to see that letter, but we should be firing up the old impeach-o-matic right now.

You're trackbacked: http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2006_10_15.html#006111

Posted by: See-Dubya at October 20, 2006 04:18 PM

5 Boggles the mind !?!?!?!?
Unfathomable!

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 20, 2006 05:08 PM

6 You wanna play that game? Ok. Compare that to Nixon sabotaging peace talks in Vietnam just to get elected, or Reagan/Bushdoing the same with regard to Carter's attempts to get hostages released in Iran.

And while we're at it... JFK's actions in raising the Cuban Missile Crisis to a <em>crisis</em> level should not be viewed as heroic. Indeed, those missiles did not place the U.S. mainland at any higher risk of nuclear attack than would Soviet submarines parked off the east and west coasts, which the administration had to know would be coming on line in the very near future (in fact, there were Soviet subs with strategic nukes involved during the blockade of Cuba).

Not to mention the fact that ICBMs would soon be coming on line.

The fact that Kennedy himself assessed the danger of the Missile Crisis leading to nuclear war at 1 in 3 or 1 in 2 demonstrates that his actions were in this context,highly dangerous and inexcusablepolitical maneuvers meant to impress a domestic audience more than save us from nuclear peril.

Bottom line: the actions of Nixon, Reagan/Bush, and even JFK were more directly "traitorous" than is this weak attack on Kennedy. I'll also note that it should be very clear by now that the Bush administration lied its way into Iraq, leading directly to the deaths of 3,000 American soldiers so far, 600,000 Iraqis, and making this country much more vulnerable to terrorism. Truly "traitorous" if we're going to start employing that kind of language.

Posted by: Professor von Nostrand at October 20, 2006 05:21 PM

7 he should be charged, convicted and executed.

Posted by: reliapundit at October 20, 2006 05:59 PM

8 lol, you guys have been Prof'd! that was a wicked little rant Professor, keep it up and show these foolish bloggers that all though they are aloud to say whatever they want (which i actually support) doesn't mean we have to restrain ourselves from loudly disagreeing

Posted by: yermom at October 20, 2006 06:05 PM

9 Did somebody hear something?

Posted by: SeeMonk at October 20, 2006 06:10 PM

10 Let me get this straight von Nostril, your "defense" of the White Whale is to say that he's only as bad as Nixon, who resigned in disgrace (at the insistence of Republicans), and furthermore, that his brother JFK was also a scumbag? Geez, glad you're not MY friend.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 20, 2006 06:12 PM

11 Probably was promised a phat dacha and a KGB general position if the shit ever really hit the fan and he had to split.

Philby got a good deal.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 20, 2006 06:13 PM

12 A Kennedy a traitor?


Okay. I buy.


Hang the bloated bastard and burn his corpse.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at October 20, 2006 06:20 PM

13 If, as the professor and others suggest, the Reagan political team had a deal with the Iranians to delay the hostage release until inauguration day, wouldn’t they be obliged to warn the Iranians of any planned rescue attempt? Had Carter’s attempt to free the hostages in Operation Eagle Claw been compromised? If one believes A, as I do, B is not much of a stretch.

Posted by: Greg at October 20, 2006 06:23 PM

14 Well, we Pubbies certainly got off the subject of a Democrat doing something reprehensible and onto the defensive pretty quick, didn't we? Look people, we need to attack the enemies of our country, not reason with them. Democrats are the enemies of our country, just as drunken drivers are the enemies of all the other drivers on the road. Whether they got drunk on purpose or not is irrelevant.

Posted by: Sherlock at October 20, 2006 06:28 PM

15 The Iranians didn't have anything to do with the failed rescue op. I imagine they were as surprised as the US was when the facts came out.

That op failed from a lack of funding. Across the board, there was a woeful lack of funding for the Military. Who was President again?

Posted by: SeeMonk at October 20, 2006 06:43 PM

16 I believe he was the same asshat who withdrew support for the one man who was holding radical Islam at bay. Carter cut his knees out from under him.

Libs are so naieve.

Posted by: SeeMonk at October 20, 2006 06:46 PM

17 Yeah, it was a sandstorm, as the story goes.

Posted by: Greg at October 20, 2006 06:56 PM

18 That doesn't mean it's true and even if true, the mission was likely compromised. A deal is a deal and Reagan's team were in the know. His sidekick GHW Bush had been the head of the CIA.

Posted by: Greg at October 20, 2006 06:59 PM

19 What a bunch of fruitcakes. Vote for the Wig party.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 20, 2006 07:03 PM

20 Greg, One or two of the heliocopters had mechanical failures. The mission was crubbed. As another of the heliocopters was lifting off, in porr visibility, it struck one of the C-130's. Both erupted into flames. The remaining aircraft that could still fly immediately evaced the area.

You should do a little reading before you go ahead and discredit the rest of the things you say.

Posted by: SeeMonk at October 20, 2006 07:09 PM

21 Your argument is is a little puzzing to me. If we were all judged based on your logic, most of America would be in prison. Guilt by association is a bullshit argument. Reagan didn't need any helkp from Iran. The Ayatolla knew Carter was a pussy and wanted to rub his face in the whole mess he helped to create.

Carter was ass raped by the Ayatolla, and all he could say was thank you.

Posted by: SeeMonk at October 20, 2006 07:16 PM

22 I would like to see that letter.

Posted by: Ixnay at October 20, 2006 07:37 PM

23 I hate how the wrong Kennedy's keep dying.

Posted by: Spade at October 20, 2006 07:59 PM

24 Had Carter's mission been successful, it would have been the greatest October Surprise ever. Other interests would wish it a failure.

Posted by: Greg at October 20, 2006 08:02 PM

25 Probably not treason -- you would be hard pressed to argue that the Soviet Union really qualified as an "enemy" for purposes of the Article III definition of the term.

But I'm still glad we have it to show what great American patriots the Democrats are.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at October 20, 2006 08:06 PM

26 After double checking the definition of treason I have to say rocket science it ain't.

Trackback...

http://rightmoment.blogspot.com/2006/10/kennedy-and-commies.html

Posted by: Scott at October 20, 2006 08:14 PM

27 Greg "would have been" Pooflinger...

Dance monkey dance!!!

Posted by: Max Power at October 20, 2006 08:51 PM

28 Jesus H Christ.

The people who vote this nauseating traitor into office cycle after cycle deserve the be thrown into prison as well.

Oh, and he killed a woman, but since he's a Democrat, I gues its cool.

Posted by: Good Lt at October 20, 2006 09:19 PM

29 I think what the wise professor meant was.....

The whole lot of American politicans are scumbags, who've helped create this monstrosity that is American foreign policy. And, it is this same policies that have cause this 'war on terror'. So, if your going to condemn Kennedy for being a traitor, condemn all those that have done serious wrong to your country. And, i'd suggest starting with the current administration, who've been giving the Regean administration a run for its money as being the worst in history......

Posted by: yermom at October 20, 2006 09:22 PM

30 There is an exceptional website about Kennedy's Chappaquiddick incident that has been up for a few years. It also documents the way the man thinks (or doesn't) If any of you have time it's worth a gander. It's at........ ytedk.com

Posted by: Billy at October 20, 2006 09:26 PM

31 Well, well, well. . .very very interesting.


The political climate is changing and the temp is rising in Massachusetts cause it ain't just Kennedy that will sink or swim through this one. . .

https://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=77

POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean
On Vietnam ‘War Crimes’ Charges

- by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation



(10/15/2006)


Thirty five years ago John Kerry slandered an
entire generation of men who fought in Vietnam branding them as a "war
criminals." Today, much of the same thing is being said about our young men and
women in Iraq.

Now, a lawsuit filed in Philadelphia’s Court of
Common Pleas will test the very foundation of Kerry’s anti-war persona for the
first time. It isn’t dubious medals or Kerry’s
disputed service record in Vietnam that is being called into question. This
time Kerry may finally be forced to answer for the events that launched his
public career, one that made him an anti-war hero for many American liberals
and a turncoat for millions of Vietnam veterans.

The lawsuit (Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation,
et al. v. Kenneth Campbell, et al.) challenges the basis, the factual accuracy
of then-Lt. (j.g.) Kerry’s acrimonious testimony before the U.S. Senate
Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. It
was there Kerry’s public career was catapulted with his now ubiquitous
portrayal of American soldiers as murderers, rapists and torturers "who ravaged
the countryside of South Vietnam . . . [and] razed villages in a fashion
reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

Kerry said then his accusations were based on the
so-called "testimony" of "150 honorably discharged" Vietnam veterans who, like
himself, claimed to have committed or witnessed "war crimes, not isolated
incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of
officers at all levels of command."

Many if not all were members of the Vietnam
Veterans Against the War (VVAW), an organization led by Kerry and financed by
Jane Fonda during the early 1970s. Now,
a number of those "witnesses" will be required to testify, under oath for the
first time ever, about what they really did and saw in Vietnam.

What these VVAW witnesses say could have
implications reaching beyond Kerry’s veracity and reputation. Their lasting portrait of the American
soldier as a blood-thirsty butcher, a baby killer, is also at stake. And that
picture remains entrenched among their kind, "proof" that those serving in the U.S.
military, even today, truly are a "horde of barbarians" capable of unspeakable
brutalities. That is the underlying
theme, the constant drumbeat from the mainstream media and others as they try
to undermine the American military today.

For the anti-war, anti-American protesters, the American soldiers are the "terrorists,"
and the enemies are the victims of a barbaric U.S. military which tortures and
murders defenseless civilians.

That false premise, one of the most vicious and
enduring smears spawned by Kerry 35 years ago, will also be put to the test
once Kerry’s true "Band of Brothers" are put under oath in a Philadelphia
courtroom.

The
background to this lawsuit is long and complex, but even a condensed version is
rich in irony and poetic justice.

It had it roots in 2004 with the documentary Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal. Many may recall the film, although it is
probably best known for not being seen, suppressed after Sinclair Broadcasting
Company courageously announced it was going to air the documentary in its
entirety. Thanks to Kerry and his
liberal colleagues in the Senate and their enablers in the mainstream media,
Sinclair was browbeaten into withdrawing the film, its broadcast license
threatened by a Kerry campaign manager in 2004.

Stolen
Honor focused on Kerry’s venomous diatribe before the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee in April 1971 when he accused Vietnam veterans of "war
crimes" on a genocidal scale. (A full transcript is available at
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Testimony. ) It examined the impact Kerry’s widely
reported statements had on hundreds of Americans who were being held prisoners of
war by the North Vietnamese communists. The film’s producer, Carlton Sherwood,
a Pulitzer Prize and Peabody Award-winning investigative reporter, interviewed
former POWs for the documentary.

I was among those whom Sherwood, a decorated
Marine combat veteran himself, asked to participate in Stolen Honor. I was a POW
for nearly six years, held in North Vietnam prison camps, including the
notorious Hanoi Hilton, a place of unimaginable horrors -- torture, beatings,
starvation and mind-numbing isolation. When
Kerry branded us "war criminals," he handed our captors all the justification
they needed to carry out their threats to execute us. Thanks to Kerry, Jane Fonda and their
comrades in the anti-war movement, our captivity was prolonged by years. The communists in Hanoi and Moscow couldn’t
have had a better press agent to spread their anti-American propaganda.

To guarantee Stolen
Honor would never be seen by anyone – not even theatre-goers – the producer
was slapped with a libel and defamation lawsuit. That lawsuit was filed by Kenneth Campbell, a University of
Delaware professor, Kerry campaign aide, and long-time anti-war disciple of the
Massachusetts Senator. Campbell co-founded
the Philadelphia chapter of Vietnam Veterans Against the War and, in 1971, he
was one of Kerry’s key war crimes "witnesses," one of several on whom Kerry claims he based his Senate testimony.

Campbell was and still is regarded by some as one of the VVAW’s most articulate
and published "experts" on U.S. atrocities in Vietnam. He
has "testified" before Congress, in Europe, and elsewhere that while in Vietnam
he deliberately killed "dozens and dozens" of innocent civilians as a Marine
artillery forward observer. He has
written extensively about his and others’ atrocities in Vietnam and he even
teaches a course on the Vietnam War that showcases his war crime accusations. Campbell,
like Kerry, met with enemy delegations -- Vietcong and North Vietnam Communist
officials -- in Paris in 1971 while he was still a U.S. uniformed reservist. He was also flown to Moscow that same year to
meet with other Communist leaders, all expenses paid by the Soviets.

Campbell’s lawsuit put a unique spin on the
definition of defamation: He claimed
that Stolen Honor damaged the public
reputations of himself, Kerry and others by questioning whether they truly were
the baby-killers they claimed to be!

Ignored and censored by the mainstream news
networks, Stolen Honor eventually
aired on some small local cable outlets. The documentary managed to penetrate Kerry’s blacklisting in rural
northern Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania and several other places. But, Campbell’s lawsuit against Sherwood
continued in 2005, when he even added POWs who appeared in the film to the
litigation!

The POWs and the wives of POWs who participated
in Stolen Honor refused to abandon the
facts conveyed in the film. For some of us, it was the first time since our
release by the Communists in 1973 that we were able to have our voices publicly
heard, to tell our stories about the consequences of Kerry’s treachery. In 2005, we formed a nonprofit organization,
the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation (VVLF), to gather records, documents and
other materials to form a fact-based, educational repository for students and
scholars of Vietnam history and to tell the true story of the American soldiers
in Vietnam. The VVLF’s mission is "to
set the record straight, factually, about Vietnam and those who fought there."

For our efforts, we
were promptly sued by Campbell and another long-time anti-war Kerry follower
and VVAW member, Dr. Jon Bjornson. It
was clear that Kerry not only wanted to punish us for Stolen Honor; he intended to use surrogates to sue us into
permanent silence and financial ruin.

But in lawsuits, even
defendants have an opportunity to question the accuser under oath in pre-trial
depositions -- even when a lawsuit is filed solely to harass, intimidate and
silence and when the legal system is abused for political vengeance, as these
lawsuits clearly were.

Our chance came earlier
this year when Kenneth Campbell was deposed. Among the first thing he disclosed
was that this was the first time he had actually been put under oath in over 35
years of "testifying" about Vietnam "war crimes." Neither he nor any of his fellow "war criminals" – Kerry included
– had ever been sworn in at any hearings, not before the Senate, the House of
Representatives, or anywhere.

All of the so-called "testimony" the old
mainstream media trumpeted for nearly four decades -- graphic, sickening and
grisly "testimony" about savage atrocities committed by Vietnam veterans,
"testimony" to which Congress and the media gave so much weight and credibility
-- wasn’t "testimony" at all! Just
propagandist speeches told without limitation or fear of consequences, least of
all penalties for perjury. As for the
"war crimes" Campbell claimed for years he committed and personally witnessed,
he now conceded he didn’t actually see innocent civilians killed by his
artillery barrages. In fact, if anyone
had been killed or wounded, he admitted, they may not have been civilians at
all! Concerning other atrocities
Campbell identified in his lawsuits -- things like Marines massacring an entire
village, killing surrendering enemy soldiers -- those incidents, too, failed to
stand up under questioning. Some were
things he said he had heard or assumed happened; others, he acknowledged, were
simply "rumors."

That Campbell alleged
personal knowledge of horrible atrocities in his complaints and then gave
wholly different stories of hearsay and assumption at his deposition is
detailed in the recently filed Philadelphia lawsuit, which repeatedly alleges
that Campbell lied about supposed war crimes in 1971 and lied again when he
claimed in 2004 that his war crime stories were true.

While hard evidence may
have been in short supply during his sworn testimony, Campbell did offer the
names of "witnesses" who would confirm his stories. Not surprisingly, the first two were Kerry State Veterans Campaign
Coordinators and long-time VVAW organizers in Florida and Massachusetts.

Subpoenas were served
on both men but, before either could be deposed, one checked himself into a hospital
for elective back surgery and the other had himself arrested and committed to a
mental institution. At last press
reports, he was released from the psychiatric hospital and fled the country to
Vietnam via Hawaii.

Both men clearly knew
what was coming, as did Campbell. For
the first time in nearly four decades they would be forced to answer for their
alleged "war crimes," their slanderous accusations against their fellow
soldiers finally examined, under oath.

It was just a matter of
days before all the lawsuits were withdrawn, nearly two years of costly
litigation abruptly ended, Campbell’s libel claims ground to dust under the
weight of his own testimony.

Like their leader, John Kerry, his surrogates
wanted no part of having to defend these despicable allegations, or for being held accountable for the great harm
they and he continue to inflict on our men and women in uniform. They fled the moment the light of truth
shined their way.

My fellow
POWs and I who were the target of these lawsuits are not willing to quit or
surrender. Kerry and his cowardly
followers may have achieved their purpose of keeping the American people from
seeing Stolen Honor in 2004, but we
refuse to allow the truth about Vietnam to remain untold.

Forced to
spend huge sums to defend ourselves from these frivolous lawsuits, we have
filed a countersuit against these Kerry surrogates and intend to reveal the
truth about the lawsuits and their sponsors. We believe that we can prove that the purpose of nearly two years
of litigation was to cover up for Kerry’s treachery, to drain us financially
and spiritually, and to prevent us from setting the record straight.

At stake is ultimately nothing
less than the integrity of the American military in Vietnam, the honor of the
men who served their country, the nobility of those who gave their lives, and
the truth of America’s history in Vietnam. Until or unless we do correct the
existing record, the American military may never be free of the myths and
smears of Vietnam, its honor and integrity cleansed as it fights to defend
freedom at home and around the world.

Our mission
is hardly over. We hope you will join us in fighting this battle . . . for our
soldiers, then and now.

Col. George E. "Bud" Day, USAF (Ret.,) was a
POW in North Vietnam for five years, seven months and 13 days. He served in three wars (WWII, Korea, and Vietnam)
and earned the Medal of Honor. He is the Air Force’s most decorated living
veteran. He is the Director and
President of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, Inc., an organization
created to better educate and inform the public about the Vietnam War, its
events, its history, and the men and women who sacrificed to serve their
country.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at October 20, 2006 09:44 PM

32 yermom, at least let the mushroom tea wear off before posting. Thank you! Greg, you could find a conspiracy in Mary had a little lamb. You're a nutcase. And Professor, I laughed at those lines of yours. You must be tenured at Berkeley. Or Colorado. Does the name Ward Churchill ring a bell?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 20, 2006 09:46 PM

33 herroyalwhyness, you have brought a smile to my face. Now, Professor, come to the defense of these scum you love, if you dare. All you cockroaches run when the light of day comes, and the light is about to shine. I love it.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 20, 2006 09:58 PM

34 Liberals defend Ted Kennedy in spite of a young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne who would still be alive today had Ted not abused his power by having an affair with her and then killing her by driving drunk off a bridge and leaving her to drown.

Don't forget Mary Jo Kopechne.

She would still be alive if Ted Kennedy gave a shit about women.

Posted by: Darth Juevos at October 20, 2006 10:00 PM

35 Dog Chapman gets charges set aside. For now, while judge requests more info.
Kennedy killed Mary Jo Kopechne and Clinton screwed with the fat girl.
A few days after her sons funeral the Sheehan bitch was on the payroll of Kerry. DNC people attend funerals of slain U.S. Service men in attempts to get them testify against our government. Friggin ghouls.

All of the above is true. Democrats, muslims. What's the difference. I called them Islamocrats. Both dangerous to the future of this nation.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 20, 2006 10:57 PM

36 I don't doubt you Rooster. Link to the sites where the proof can be seen by others who want to read what you have read. I have heard those rumors before.

Posted by: SeeMonk at October 20, 2006 11:31 PM

37 Yermama: Still waiting for you to disprove any part of the South Africans letter. Or can you? If you can't you have been exposed as a bullshit artist. Nothing more. I'm sure Jessie Jackson is proud of you. Birds of a feather. Professional liars.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 20, 2006 11:33 PM

38 SeeMonk: Go to dogpile. Then search (sheehan on kerry payroll) I use dogpile because for some unknown reason (ha) google often omits things.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 21, 2006 12:38 AM

39 The Dog Chapman thing was on my Bell South internet explorer page.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 21, 2006 12:40 AM

40 Iceland's started whale hunting again. Just tell them there's a big drunk whitewhalenamed Tedin America that's begging to be slaughtered.

Posted by: bigwhiteinfidel at October 21, 2006 01:49 AM

41 Democrats are the enemies of our country, just as drunken drivers are the enemies of all the other drivers on the road.

When you're talking about Kennedys, you're talking about BOTH groups.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 21, 2006 07:53 AM

42 Now can we call them traitors?

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 21, 2006 09:02 AM

43 Yermom is Ward Churchill.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 21, 2006 09:27 AM

44 Lest anyone forget, meaning lefturd scum who need to be killed, and the
apologist sheeple who don't know shit about history, it was JFK who got
us into the arms race in the first place during his campaign in 1960 by
lying that the Russians had more nukes than we did. Nixon was the
peacenik diplomat in 1960, and scumbag Kennedy the warmonger, but who
got the blame? Kennedy got us into the only war we ever lost, Johnson
dug us in deeper, and Nixon got blamed for the whole thing, and thus
the plague of Carter came along and managed to even make things worse.

All you piece of shit lefturds, speficially nostril and gregturd, pay
attention: You are scumbag traitors and will die like you new friends
the muslims when the time comes, and I hope we meet, because I want to
kill you myself.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 21, 2006 09:45 AM

45 Such is the psychosis of the Jawa crowd.

Posted by: Greg at October 21, 2006 10:59 AM

46 I think that illegally taking up arms in the North Korean war against the USAF, encouraging Americans in the Defense and INTEL Communities to give them secrets that endanger the lives of military personnel, arming an open enemy of the US, and violating a treaty to make a land grab for West Berlin would all qualify as actions that make a would qualify the USSR as an Enemy.

Posted by: ajacksonian at October 21, 2006 11:16 AM

47 What's funny about Republicans is that they'll believe information garnered from the *enemy* if it concerns the wrongdoings of a Democrat, but won't believe it when a similar memo is obtained from our *allies* indicating in no uncertain terms that the President lied in order to start a trillion dollar war in Iraq.

If you're smart, then you're skeptical of all of it and you're also more interested in how to change the future rather than worrying about whether the taxpayers will have the privilege of spending $100 million to prosecute a 70-something year old Senator at the end of his career.

You may now go back to your action figures.


Posted by: Neil at October 21, 2006 01:20 PM

48 Chappaquiddick Teddy should be in jail for Mary Jo but for this he should be shot! But then nobody is going after Sandy Berger either! I dare call it Treason I dont need Ann to say it! Shoot the bastard!

Posted by: Jo macDougal at October 21, 2006 02:19 PM

49 http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/cb98-176.html....its from your own government, so question the validity if you want. But, i'll assume the bureacrats keep some what accurate records. As well, i'd be interested to see how these compare to 2006 stats....

in this it says

"- In 1997, the number and poverty rate of African Americans was
9.1 million and 26.5 percent, compared with 24.4 million and
11.0 percent for Whites; 1.5 million and 14.0 percent for Asians
and Pacific Islanders; and 8.3 million and 27.1 percent for
Hispanics. The poverty rate for Hispanics did not differ
statistically from the rate for African Americans. "

the percentage of black people and hispanics in poverty is double that of white people. hmm, is that systematic perhaps? It hasn't really changed, i wonder why? (well, it is describing a slight increase in income for blacks, which is good. Something was happening that was helping to aliviate the problem. But, hispanics and asians stayed relitively the same)

hows that for a little proof. Took me 2 seconds and a search engine. And, no i'm not Ward Churchill. If you ever got into a debate with him, you'd end up looking like a complete fool (well, even more so than now.....if thats possible).

And, my favorite arguement against is: "All you piece of shit lefturds, speficially nostril and gregturd, pay attention: You are scumbag traitors and will die like you new friends the muslims when the time comes, and I hope we meet, because I want to kill you myself."

this is the type of bile this website supports and you expect us to just let you be? Just be aware that 'when the time comes' means when your stupid country on stolen land, will finally show its true self and become the fascist regime that it is drive in high gear towards....so, please when you say you 'fight for freedom', lets just be honest about it and say you 'fight for fascism'.......arseholes

Posted by: yermom at October 21, 2006 02:53 PM

50 "so this is how democracy dies. With thunderous applause" Senator Amidalla

Posted by: yermom at October 21, 2006 02:56 PM

51 I see somebody here gets his worlview from Hollywood movies.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 21, 2006 03:18 PM

52 Gee, I didn't know internet had been restored in New Orleans. Or San Quentin. Or wherever the hell the blood-thirsty murderer resides!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 21, 2006 06:52 PM

53 Two words: Rambo Three.....

Posted by: yermom at October 21, 2006 07:03 PM

54 and the name of the website is jawa report, and it has a star wars theme, so providing quotes from the movie that are in direct contradiction to the values here I think is releveant.....

and its fun, ass

Posted by: yermom at October 21, 2006 07:05 PM

55 This is actually not that new a story. It was first published back in 1992 in both Izvestia and the London Times, and other places since then.

See my blog entry on the subject for details.

CHUCK

Posted by: Chuck at October 21, 2006 08:12 PM

56 There is more dirt on Kennedy and the KGB on wikipedia under DAVID KARR

The story looks like it may have some truth in it.

This Kennedy thing is actually very scary, and sad at the same time.

Posted by: Dr. Coambs at October 21, 2006 11:30 PM

57 Well now, is anyone really surprised by all this? The White Whale won't
be prosecuted for treason or sedition though, because it just isn't
done, you know. Carter approached Brezhnev with the same purpose of
unseating Regan in '84, and nothing has been done about that. The
government is far too corrupt to do its duty, and thus should
fall as soon as possible. What we need is a good bloodletting to
restore the natural order in this country, and the sooner the better.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 22, 2006 05:19 AM

58 Heh. I love how the lefturd tries to divert the thread by posting
poverty numbers, as if anyone with a brain doesn't know that economic
status is directly tied to individual and group behavior. If blacks
don't want to be in poverty they should have tons of babies out of
wedlock and spend all their money on shiny things, and Hispanics seem
to be doing a pretty good job of working themselves out of poverty by
getting up and going to work every day, just like white folks have to.
I have property because I work; I know it's a radical concept to the
ears of lefturds, but it's actually quite simple, and works a lot
better than robbing the rich to buy the votes of the poor. Shut up
lefturd and go pray we never meet.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 23, 2006 05:12 AM

59 well, if it is as simple as waking up and going to work, perhaps you would care to explain why these numbers are so consistant? I'm sure non-white people can wake up and go to work, and do so, just as well as non-whites. I mean, skin color doesn't effect your ability to wake up, or your ability to work. So, if the american system of capitialism works so well in that it redistributes wealth in accordance to merit, then why are non-whites and women consistantly disporportionally poor?

Well, perhaps its because assholes like the above are racist pigs. Who would rather describe non-whites in stereotypical ways, as oppossed to the what they really are: people. So, instead of being hired for the job that allows them to own property (like Maxipad, who probably works some cushy office job that he got by knowing someone, and has never lifted a heavy object or done any real work in his life time) they are rejected so that another white guy can be hired. It is a story that you guys don't like to hear and refuse to believe, because your a bunch of racist pigs. You would rather pop off about affirmative action numbers and bitch that 'white people are being discriminated against'. Which is non-sense because if you are to look at poverty numbers, and then look at uber-rich numbers you will see that white people have all the money and power and non-white people have all the poverty (which means: they have nothing, except the stress and health issuses related to poverty). How many blacks and hispanics work in your office Maxipad? Or, in the office across the way? It is systematic descrimination. Wealth generates wealth, and white people still have all the wealth. a few token non-whites were allowed into the game, but the game has not changed. If you are rich, your familly stays rich. if you are poor, your famially stays poor. That is the way things will be until we stop living under a stupid capitalist system. It is all very simple....

PS. Maxipad, quit threatening violence on people who disagree with you, it makes you look like a goof. Especially, over the internet. Only cowards spout off like that on the internet, so give it a break

Posted by: yermom at October 23, 2006 10:41 AM

60 Yermama: Not white people's fault if another race would rather spend their money on gold chains, malt liquor and tennis shoes instead of a book. Every black man knows the reason he wasn't promoted is that he is black. The fact that he can't read and write has nothing to do with it.

When are you going to disprove anything in the South Africans letter? Or are you ready to admit you're full of shit? Now dive into them chicken wings, boy.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 07:22 AM

61 Yermama: White people have all the money and cows have none. This satistical fact proves that white people hate cows. So they must live in unheated barns without electricity. It's obvious that they have the worst educational opportunities because none can read or write. And get this fact. Cows do not live as long as white people. Proof that the medical system gives better care to white people over poor cows. Sickening, just sickening. Where is the outrage?

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 07:30 AM

62 that cow arguement is dumb. non-white people are not cows. they are PEOPLE!!!!!

Posted by: yermom at October 24, 2006 12:08 PM

63 black people can read just as well as white people. idiot. in fact i wonder if there are a few of my black friends who wouldn't mind READING your posts and getting appropriatly angry about it........

Posted by: yermom at October 24, 2006 12:12 PM

64 and, i'm not sure what you want 'disproved' about that stupid letter.

Perhaps its your shitty assertion that white americans are the only justice in the world. how about in Venezuala. where after a mass pull out of resorces by multi-national corporations (hundreds of millions in one night), the people decieded to exact justice against them. But, instead of bombing their head offices with missles, they simply went into the abandoned factories and started working again. They claimed ownership of the factories because of the lost wages that the compainies didn't pay them before they left. And, instead of re-creating the hierachal structure of capitalism, they formed co-op's. And, they worked great! imagine that, democracy in the work place, after the fallout of major economic failure of ultra neo-liberal policies of the IMF.

That would never happen in the United States, because the rednecks in the south are so interested in war, guns, cars and racism that they would do anything the ruling elites tell them just so they can keep their heads burried in the sand. And, the ruling elites in the United States would never, ever allow for such blatant collectivism and caring about your fellow person. Bad for Business it is. So, you ask for an example of justice, that is just one of billions that happens in countries other than the united states of america......

go fuck yerself greymaggot. you are not right and you will never be right as long as you hold onto your bigotry.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." Obi-one Kenobi.

Posted by: yermom at October 24, 2006 12:27 PM

65 Call the animal rights activists! Cows just got equated to blacks! Outrage! Ban! Ban! Delete! Delete! Ban! Ban! Outrage! Outrage!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 24, 2006 02:00 PM

66 Howie can read and write just as well as people ...

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 24, 2006 02:05 PM

67 Yermom finally comes undun and shouts the f word.

word

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 24, 2006 02:06 PM

68 Larry: I can? I read pretty good, but my writing .... I have to read it too. It could be a lot better.

Posted by: Howie at October 24, 2006 02:08 PM

69 What they did was steal the property of the owners. It's a commie thing you socialist America hating piece of shit. Now carry that to your black friends. Undoubtably the only ones you have. You were easy to tab.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 06:12 PM

70 You claim the letter was swile. I say it was true in all aspects. You cannot disprove anything the writer said. All you commie bastards can do is point fingers at your betters. Fuck me? No way. I'll continue fucking those like you for eternity. You will always be on the bottom simply because you deserve to be there. Cry baby commie loser. Did Hugo drill you in the ass. Apparently he's your hero.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 06:16 PM

71 dude, what does 'swile' mean? and your just writing obsenities, not actually refuting anything i'm saying.

if you had read the post, i said that they were owed money from backwages, so just like any collection agency in the states, they took property in lew of cash......

and to be perfectly clear, i'm an anarchist, but a socialist state would be more than satisfactory compared to the current system. at least there would be some measure of equality.

and, heres a question: why are you so angry greyrooster? Did your wife do a black guy, then leave you cause you've got a smaller penis then him? I'm sorry you have a small penis. My girlfriend tells me everyday how glad she is that i have a huge cock. but, i really do feel bad for you, because they don't really 'feel' the small ones....oh well, life isn't all sex you know, you could....no your funny....well, you could......no, your too crazy. You could:......no, your too angry. Well, i guess i know why all you do all day is write racist rants on a shitty little website. you don't even write for these guys......maybe you should just end it, and make the world a better place, cause i seriously don't know what to do with you.

Posted by: yermom at October 24, 2006 07:35 PM

72 oh do you mean swill? like bad wine? did i say that? maybe i spelt it wrong....oh well, and who said white people could read and write?

Posted by: yermom at October 24, 2006 07:42 PM

73 Howie's white! And he can read and write! ... sort of. So ...Yermom is an anarchrist? Yep, another 8th grader. Don't they have an agerequirements for this " shitty little website "?

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 25, 2006 10:29 AM

74 man, if i'm an 8th grader, then it must be embarrassing to be shown up soo many times by someone who could be your grand kid.

too bad for you guys

Posted by: greyrooster at October 25, 2006 01:07 PM

75 Naturally, the above post is a spoof. You see lefturd commies can do nothing but cheat, lie and deseave.

Yermama: Not angry at anything but traitorous assholes like you. Telling the truth doesn't make me angry. When you find something I say is untruthful let me know. I will correct it. Your infatuation with dicks tells me who you are. Probably a black queer. Or perhaps a wannabe black queer. In any case it's obvious that you wouldn't fit in with normal white people.


Shitty little website? You can't leave it because here we don't ban asshole commies like you. So you will never leave because only a socialist lefturd blog would welcome your anti-American bullshit. You can't get in any arguements with your own lonely, little nerd lookalikes. You're a sick freak. Concerned about dicks because the thing that would lay you would come from the ghetto.

Don't know what to do with me? What a friggin joke. Here we have the absolute bottom of society saying he doesn't know what to do with his betters. I'll tell you what you do. You say yas sir boss.

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