The Elephant in the Room...
A British gay advocacy group recently noticed that there had been a sharp rise in the incidence of religiously-motivated violent attacks on gay Brits.Problem is, the attacks were disproportionately coming from one minority religious group (I'll let you guess which one it was). As you may know, casting aspersions at a minority group is just not done in polite circles. On the other hand, highlighting one's victimhood is the very essence of political advocacy. What to do, what to do... This particular advocacy group decided to go with the tried and true. They blamed it on the Christians.
Here's the breakdown on religions in the UK, according to https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html#People
(I know, I'm referencing the CIA, and they only tell lies, except when they're criticising Bush.)
Christian (all denominations) 71.6%
unspecified or none 23.1%
So Muslims are committing hate crimes ten times more often than you'd expect (if your expectations were set by demographics and not by an understanding of Islam). And the left still attacks Christians for it.
I'm very curious how many of those gay bashings are done by the "unspecified or none" crowd. I suspect it's higher than 23.1%.
Posted by: cory at October 18, 2006 10:57 AM
Posted by: JeepThang at October 18, 2006 11:14 AM
Maybe the Emporeor would be proud of you, but I think your a moron.
Posted by: yermom at October 18, 2006 11:27 AM
As well, Christianity is the religion of the all the elite colonialists, being christian is to be priviledged in the west. And, to continue to oppress a minority group is terrible, but to do it for direct benifit like christians do, then it is evil.
Muslims have no power in British society, and you're dogged attempts to vilify them are the reason. "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil" Thomas Mann. You are one of the causes of Terrorism. Stop. And, you'd be suprised at how much easier this supposed "War on Terrorism" will become.....idiot
Posted by: yermom at October 18, 2006 11:36 AM
And please note that included in the the list of "offenses" are "verbal assaults" -- which in the UK can include quoting Bible verses or protesting against the availability of explicit homosexual literature in public place where children are likely to be present. As such, the "accaults" are nothin other than the expression of a government disfavored opinion.
And as we've seen recently in another context, even something so mundane as an English speaker asking to be assigned to work with other English speakers instead of individuals who speak no English is a "hate crime" in the UK. That should make it clear that the Brit statistics are really suspect.
If Christians were committing crimes at a rate 1250% of the statistical norms, you would be trumpetting it far and wide. Why don't you look at the clear problem instead of shilling for those who are disproportionately engaging in the criminal acts?
Posted by: Observer at October 18, 2006 12:00 PM
Didn't they teach basic stats in college or did you skip out to read Chomsky and Lenin?
Because, the way I was taught, when there is a rapid INCREASE in a dependent variable (in this case, attacks against gays) along with a rapid INCREASE in one independent variable (in this case, attacks by Muslims who claim they were MOTIVATED by their religion), then well, you have to suspect that variable CAUSED the rise.
Keep lying to yourself about your co-religionists, ignore the fact that few Christians would claim to be MOTIVATED by religion to attack gays, and climb back under your rock.
Posted by: Rusty at October 18, 2006 12:01 PM
Blame it on the rain. Yeah. Yeah.
You can blame it on the rain, girl."
Rosie's gone to London, eh?
Posted by: Editor at October 18, 2006 12:42 PM
There is, of course, almost alwayscorrelation between members of the majority group in an area and actions of all types--good and bad--done in that area. In other words, most acts--of all types--are done by the majority group. This means that--all other things being equal--most BAD acts, as well as most GOOD acts, will be done by members of the majority group. This basic numericalcorrelation has nothing at all to do with whether or not some attribute of the majority group made some BAD or GOOD act more or less likely to be done by a member of that group (causation).
Unfortunately, anyone who can't comprehend--or won't acknowledge--the difference between a mere correlation andan actualcausation can't be engaged in anything approaching a rational discussion.
Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at October 18, 2006 12:44 PM
I seem to recall reading somewhere that "in the end-times" Christians will be killed and people will kill them believing they are doing God's work.
Might this be a start.. ostracizing Christians, regardless of facts? We do know that many people do not let facts get in their way or bother to verify such.
Make Christians out to be "bad people" and its a short step to theocide.. or is it religiocide? erm.. Im sure theres a word for it.
Your ideas are appreciated!
Posted by: JeepThang at October 18, 2006 02:35 PM
Seriously.. It seems to me that if you walk into a crowded elevator and say you are a Christian you would see the people edge away from you.. but if you were to say you are a bhuddist, I bet people would ask you what thats like and be more friendly.
No, that isnt a scientific study, by any stretch.. but from casual observation: on the net (forums, chat rooms, etc) and in real life.. it just seems to me that this is the way it is.
Posted by: JeepThang at October 18, 2006 02:41 PM
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 18, 2006 03:15 PM
your very educational expianation of the way statistics work was nice, now lets talk about something that really matters.....
like how, this idiot-filled blog site would rather demonize musilms and promote a blatantly racist and oppressive agenda. Lets be honest about how you guys don't even really care about gays, but you hate muslims more. The fact that muslims are disproportiantly causing hate crimes against gays and lesbians in Britain doesn't really matter to you, except for the fact you can villify muslims and arabs more. I mean come on, "The Jawa Report", why don't you just call your dumb blogsite the "Sandnigger Report", because you mean the same thing.
And, the really important stat in that whole thing is 71.6% of the crimes are committed by christians. An overwhelming majority. Christians are the ones most responsible for hate crimes against gays and lesbians. Not muslims. And, if you want to know why 'lefties' still blame christians, its because they're the ones doing it!
Posted by: yermom at October 18, 2006 04:56 PM
Are youREALLY that dense, or are you just pretending? In other words, do you REALLY not understand basic statistics and the difference between correlation and causation, or are you just PRETENDING not to understand?
Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at October 18, 2006 07:34 PM
Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at October 18, 2006 07:39 PM
The way I read it was.. a method of changing society by condemning those who condemn what is wrong.. making them appear as "extremists" or some such. That way.. what actually was wrong will be made less wrong to the population at large..
Example: Like how some Christians say "same sex marriage is wrong" and then someone says that Christians who are so fanatical and close-minded are the freaks and hate-mongers.
Thus turning the populous against Christians for being extremists.
And so.. case in point is "yermom" saying that everyone here is a bunch of haters because we have principles and we speak out against what is wrong... and he says we're the bad guys.. basically more evil than those shitstains blowing themselves up and taking any/everyone they can with them.
No, yermom, you are wrong. We believe in the simple idea that people shouldnt be put to death because they showed an ankle.. or drew a picture... and countless other reasons of the same vein.
Also.. if you wouldnt say something to someone's face, within arm's reach, don't say it on the net. It makes you look like a tool.
And yes, I would tell you that to your face.
Posted by: JeepThang at October 18, 2006 07:55 PM
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 18, 2006 08:48 PM
nothing can be done for him but to chuck him in the ditch with the rest
of his ilk when the time comes.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 18, 2006 11:04 PM
Given they are 2% of the population committing 25% of the hate crimes, I'd say they have power far in excess of their numbers.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 19, 2006 12:06 AM
say you are a Christian you would see the people edge away from you..
but if you were to say you are a bhuddist, I bet people would ask you
what thats like and be more friendly.
In San Fransicko maybe, but not in the rest of the country. Most people in that elevator probably call themselves christian.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 19, 2006 12:08 AM
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 19, 2006 12:11 AM
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 19, 2006 07:12 AM
your not criticizing your propagating racism, silly stereotypes and soon genocide (cause that is where this leads)...
and, trust me i wouldn't be afraid of saying any of this to any of your faces, despite thinly-vieled threats of violence. If you really are the moral righcheous people you say you are, verbal disaggreement about politics should never lead to violence. Of course, i'm sure there are more than one redneck military wannabe who'd like to take a swing at me, but i wouldn't be afraid of him/her either. I don't spend my life worrying if people will blow football stadiums. I do, however, spend a lot of my time criticizing idiots like those who write for this website.
and, i like my writing style, soo phshhhshhhh.......bitch
Posted by: yermom at October 19, 2006 05:21 PM
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 19, 2006 07:07 PM
And, greyrooster i see from other comments that you are one of these racist types, what are you scared of?
Posted by: yermom at October 19, 2006 07:30 PM
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 19, 2006 08:01 PM
Posted by: JeepThang at October 19, 2006 10:41 PM
If you didn't want minorities to attack you, then perhaps you should first stop being an asshole. Second, start helping us end the oppression of minorities through out the world. Its not as easy or as popular as being an asshole, but in the long run its the only way 'to assure your security'......(of course, if thats all you care about, your a pretty fucked up individual to begin with)
Posted by: yermom at October 20, 2006 05:36 PM
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 20, 2006 07:54 PM
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