Radicals Create Opposing Radicals

This piece in the La Times (registration required to view) argues that the “Islamic Radicals” who use terrorism are creating a tremendous backlash and overall bad perception of Islam.

LA Times: EVER SINCE 9/11, a dark view of Islam has been gaining currency on what might be called the Western street. This view holds that, contrary to the protestations of our political leaders who claim that acts of terrorism are being carried out by a minority of extremists the real problem lies with Islam itself. In this interpretation, Islam is not a religion of peace but of war, and its 1.2 billion adherents will never rest until all of humanity is either converted, subjugated or simply annihilated.
This is quite correct. Even Muslims who want to live in peace with the west are now confronted with a rather radical idea. They must choose to fight with those outside Islam against their brethren for the very soul and reputation of Islam!

The west faces a similar catch 22. We use secular government, not to place it above God, but so that we may all worship as we choose. This is a basic freedom born of the persecution of Christian Protestants.

The argument is circulating that by fighting the radicals we are creating more radicals. The reverse is also true. Terrorism forces us to take a “radical” view that Islam is the basis of terrorism or at least a symptom of an Islam gone very wrong. Irishpennants post on this subject states this very well(Correction: this is a quote from Robert Godwin of One Cosmos linked and used at Irish Pennant, Oops) .

Would they(liberals) ever report that terrorists are the cause of the American military that liberals so despise, and that if terrorists would only appease America, our military would stop trying to harm them? Or that Islamo-nazis have to stop their unwinnable war on the west, because it will only create more George Bushes and Tony Blairs and John Howards?
I agree. The MSM reports doom every day. One example is the frequent bombing of lines to sign up for the Iraqi police or military. They report this as a bad sign. That terrorism still exists and therefore we fail.

But I find the fact that there is a line to bomb very encouraging. Iraqi’s, in response to the terror, are accepting the rather radical idea that to save their nation they must fight the radicals. Thus they become radicals in opposition to the terrorist radicals. See how this works?

It’s a necessary and natural response. Before 9/11 I did have an idea that Islam was a nest for terrorism. But after 9/11 and becoming aware of and studying the words of the terrorists themselves I became more convinced they must be fought.

The same thing occurred when my eyes were opened to the terrorists snuff videos. This obviously evil practice and manifestation of Satan’s work on earth “radicalized” me even further. I felt more determined to expose their evil and fight them. Allying with anyone Muslim or not who was for freedom of expression and exposing what I see as an evil, “doctrine of terror.”

Also the absurd reaction of large portions of the Muslim community to various “insults” in an attempt to force me to respect Islam out of fear also encouraged me to do just the opposite.

I’ll not submit to fear or threat I will do the exact opposite of what those threatening me want. I will both exercise my freedom to do so and send a message that terror will not buy my respect of Islam.

Only the behavior of Muslims as a whole will earn my respect. For me to ever respect Islam then Muslims must fight and defeat the “radicals” as well as show respect to our culture and our religion.

When Muslims use the term Cross Worshipper to describe Christians in one breath and start taking Jesus with the next I see hypocrisy. It only serves to deepen my “radicalism” or opinion that Islam does not respect me. Therefore why should I pay respect to Islam?

I’ve been finishing the Dune series by Frank Herbert among other things. I read the first three as a young man and I always wanted to read the rest. If you have not read these each chapter starts with a little preface. I’m now in book five (where I found the origin of C3PO by the way) but in book four I found the following quote that I find very relevant.

Surprise? Who's talking of Surprise? Chaos is no surprise. It has predictable characteristics. For one thing it carries away order and strengthens the forces at the extremes.

Isn't that what radicals are trying to do? Aren't they trying to shake things up so they can grab control?

That's what they think they are doing. Actually they're createing new extremists, new radicals and they are continuing the old process.

What about a radical who sees the complexities and comes at you that way?

That's no radical that's a rival for leadership.

But what do you do?

You co-opt them or kill them. That's how the struggle for leadership originated, at the grunt level.

Remember part of al-Qaeda’s strategy is to use chaos and terror to destabilize the powers in control. These powers will then "castle" so to speak. They will contract into their power base to protect themselves. This leaves a vacuum into which the terrorist move. They then seek to win hearts and minds by providing for the needs of those trapped in the chaos of their own making. They deceive them by controlling the necessities of life and blaming the chaos on others.

It has been said that Satan is the Prince of Lies. If you look closely at al-Qaeda and the other radical’s strategy it becomes clear who they follow.

I feel for Dean I really do. I probably do create more radicals, but who created this one? The one typing this post.

Others Hyscience, Captains’ Quarters and Big Lizards.

Update: Michelle responds to Dean's post. You know I like Dean's blog. It was one of the first blogs I started reading. I've linked some of his stuff in the past. I see via Michelle that Dean thinks a lot less of us than we do of him.

Dean Esmay:
Fuck, just read Jawa Report for a week, or Little Green Footballs, or JihadWatch.

I'm no moron. Look, just LOOK at what they say every day on those sites.

Hey thanks for the link Dean!

Related Bryan at Hotair defends Michelle's honor here. I'd ask for him to defend mine and Rusty's as well, but we don't have any.

Posted by: Howie at 12:17 PM


1 I agree 100%. It's about time they start fearing OUR radicalization. Stupid moslems aren't going to get our respect by acting like animals, they're going to get more jdams and waterboarding. Keep it up, assholes.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at September 28, 2006 01:31 PM

2 Great essay, Howie.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at September 28, 2006 01:31 PM

3 Excellent post but I draw a different conclusion, by playing our extremistpart we fall right into the formula. We need LESS chaos not more. We should respond to acts of terrorism and chaos with acts of organization and law - that is the only way to defeat them. since they NEED the chaos and we need order, why create more chaos? Ohhhh, that's right, because the formula is hard-wired into our blood thirsty 'animal'brains as much as it is in theirs (you have already proved me rightwith your 'animal' labels and threats of jdams and waterboarding-that works for any extremist).

Posted by: tbone at September 28, 2006 02:02 PM

4 Order can be achieved. But one side has to win first. You can't wish order into existance. Even the Tyrant knew that they would call him that after his system gave them thousands of years of peace.
you assume that out more "advanced" concepts of peace and living with each other is immune to the old rules. No the old rules are not superceeded they lay on top of very old truths and cannot escape the rules that still exist in the foundations

Posted by: Howie at September 28, 2006 02:26 PM

5 Way to go Howie!!

'They then seek to win hearts and minds by providing for the needs of those trapped in the chaos of their own making. They deceive them by controlling the necessities of life and blaming the chaos on others.'

Exactly what Hamas and Hizbullah have done. Blaming the West and Israel for all their problems while providing services to endear themselves to the people and the people aren't smart enough to see the wolf in sheep's clothing.Stupid sheep.

Posted by: Big White Infidel at September 28, 2006 02:29 PM

6 Agreed, but frankly, 5 years of jdams and waterboarding (our extremism)and the resultshave just comein - it aint working. Or actually, it is working... according tothe formula, for the extremists,it just isn't working for the rest ofus.

Posted by: tbone at September 28, 2006 02:38 PM

7 BTW Howie (andany other sci-fi geeks), "He who can destroy a thing, controls that thing". Really top notch series of books! If you replace the water of life with oil and terrorists with giant sand burrowing worms... Osama / Usul... (AQ means the base / Usul is the strength at the base of the pillar)desert people living in caves... hmmm, who won in thatstory again? I say we waterboardF. Herbertand find out what he knows.

Posted by: tbone at September 28, 2006 03:07 PM

8 Bryan wrote that post you linked to, Howie, not me.

Posted by: Allah at September 28, 2006 03:18 PM

9 Dammit not again!nbsp; Sorry Brian thats twice I've done that. You may smack me.

Herbert is dead but his boy and a co-author released book seven this month or are about to.

Posted by: Howie at September 28, 2006 03:21 PM

10 In Dune Islam wins over the west and all other religions become merged in it.

Posted by: Howie at September 28, 2006 03:26 PM

11 Dune is pretty damn indicative of Middle Eastern politics as a whole, what with all that family and assassination business. All those Arabic root words are not just for show.

Posted by: Bard at September 28, 2006 03:26 PM

12 Dune was truly a classic, one of the best science fiction novels I have ever read, and I'll put it up there with The Time Tunnel by Isaac Asimov, but the rest of the series was quite a letdown. The ones written by the son are even worse. And tbone, the cave dwellers in Dune were ficticious characters. And they had those weirding ways taught to them by Paul Atradies. The only possible way for the terrorists to win is for us to quit. They have no other way of winning.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 28, 2006 03:51 PM

13 Herbert wrote most of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune while writing the first book Dune. Those three are good. I need to finish the one chapter and one book but so far the second three you can tell there is a break there. They aren't bad so far but he takes some unexpected twists that don't follow what I imagined them to be after reading the others.

Posted by: Howie at September 28, 2006 03:56 PM

14 You think jdams and water boarding is our "extremism"? Methinks you've seen nothing yet. The American street is only now just waking from its slumber. I can't wait.

Posted by: dcb at September 28, 2006 04:39 PM

15 The Japs would have been very thankful to only have a few jdams dropped on them, and as for waterboarding, I'll bet they thought that was what surfers did. Damn straight, dcb, get America mad as hell, and we'll show you what we showed the Nazis and Japs during WWII. If I were these jihadi bastards, I'd go find me a cave right alongside Osama. And drink my tea through a straw.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 28, 2006 05:08 PM

16 You forget one thing Howie, we are not justified in being radicalized because we are rich white people. Islamic radicals are poor, brown people. It is the 1st law of folk-marxism.

Posted by: Jimmy the Dhimmi at September 28, 2006 05:24 PM

17 "Dean thinks a lot less of us than we do of him."

In this case, I'm distancing myself from the "we."

Posted by: Vinnie at September 28, 2006 06:07 PM

18 Why am I not justified. You discriminate against me for my station. My fate or luck that I was born white and poor?

Posted by: Howie at September 28, 2006 07:34 PM

19 Where my radicalization began...
It began in Viet Nam. I was only there as a sperm but I still remember the sound of those lovley B-52 finally ending the war ...or so my dad and I thought. he was going home. there's no way anyone had survived those poundings. they did, we lost. so, all for nothing, and nothing for all those left behind to die in the red tide to follow.many died, many got sick, including my dad, flashbacks, cold sweats,nightmares, through it allhe tried not to let me and my brothers see but I did, I was older. Now my brothers can't miss it, he's dying of Diabetes from Agent orange 3/4 blind and set for dialysis in january. He needs my kidney, but won't take it, too much pride. Buy the way he was drafted and didn't have to go,my Grandpa was a very influential politician in MI who had several offers to get him out of it. A fortunate son so to speak. he refused and did 2 tours.In the 18 months he was there he befriended a lot of locals. One,a 9 year old orphan, saved his life by walking he and a friend out of a mine field the VC had put in the night before. he stayed up all night and memorized where they put them so the americans could take them out. I owe this man my life, he probably never saw manhood, I dont know, never will. Noone Finished the job.
Anyway I come from a long line of people who, when called, have answered in droves to defend the honor of this wonderful country. In 1990 I answered the call. joined the Army and set upon my mision to do my ancestors proud and fight the good fight. where was the good fight now but Iraq. Itried to go, but got stuck in Germay guarding housing unitsfrom "terrorists". I did so with pride.we lost that war too. Noone finished the job.pussy Bush wouldn't go get Sodom because of the UN. hence we had to go back and mop up again. another classic example where the UN failed and people died. I wentto kuwaitin 93 only to realize that even in " freindly muslim" countrys a lot of people wanted to kill us. they were mostly 6 to 10 year old boys then (Hmm where are they now) with a young man directing them but they were training to attack convoys even then.
I really didn't intend for this to be so long, sorry.
Then came Somalia. I was getting out on an early release to start school in january. had the paper work next to the phone when I answered it "VICTORY THUNDER" it said. So I turned on the news to see if it was for real or just an alert. It was real. I saw one of my own being drug through the streets naked, spat upon and hit with shoes. Scenes of burned up bodies and equiptment, celebrating skinny things. I was pissed, CNN was having a feild daywith this one.I lost it at that point dumped the paper work into the trash and went to avenge their deaths. I got on the first transport(a 747)Landed with a thud is muquadishu and was handed my rules of engagement. We were not to finish the job. we'd be home by march and we were. we didn't finish the job. now we will have to go back and finish the job....I cant finish this line of thought sorry.
By the way the "pils 'gainst mosquito death" we took over there have really f*ked a lot of people up. I may be one of them. Need a beer. later.

Posted by: marc at September 28, 2006 07:56 PM

20 You know Rusty has some words for Dean a while back or at least a minor disagreement. funny how dean named jawa when Rusty is out. Sucky.

Posted by: Howie at September 28, 2006 08:05 PM

21 Vag you can stop the spoofing now.

Posted by: Howie at September 29, 2006 09:17 AM

22 Frankly, Howie, I like the new Greg a hell of a lot better than the old one. Can we keep him and ban the other one?

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 29, 2006 09:20 AM

23 Darth is a closet Homo.

Posted by: Greg at September 29, 2006 09:21 AM

24 I don't know. I don't care what name anyone uses as long as it's not taken. Greg can get himself in trouble without any help from me. Greg's been fairly good so far. Oh my god I don't belive I just said that. It's all over now!

Posted by: Howie at September 29, 2006 09:43 AM

25 Heh. Speaking as the subject of the post, i.e. a "backlash radical", I
can say that I'm fully prepared to do things that would make the
hijinks of the jihaoturds look like child's play. The islamic brain,
much like the lefturd brain, is addled by the disease that eats away at
the centers of logic and emotion, thus causing the sufferer to be
inable to respond to more subtle stimuli, such as rational discourse
and appeals to reason and common sense, but rather only to more
forceful stimuli, such as massive physical and psychological trauma. I
wonder how the jihadoturds and their lefturd dhimmi bithces would
respond to a video of one of their fellow travelers being skinned alive
and then rolled in rock salt and broken glass before being doused in
gas and set on fire? I'd say they might get the message then, but it
would probably take many repetitions of the demonstration to make them
learn to behave. I've had enough of their shit, and I'm ready to do
things that would make the Spanish Inquisition look like a church
picnic, so any time they want to get the party started, I'm ready.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 29, 2006 11:32 AM

26 When you are staring at the shredded body parts of a loved one; or people throwing themslves from great heights to escape the fires engulfing them; how does it profit a man to askWHY these things were done to him, his family, his people?
That's the West's angst in this case, that we are knotted asking why and wondering if ourresponse is disproportionate!
The Israelis have been learningthis lesson well, tho' it's taken them 60 years to get there, one step forward, two steps back. As soon as they stopped to ask why in Lebanon they were cooked!
So let's stop worrying about what the New York Times, Washington Post, Noam Chomsky, John Kerry and the other yellow-stripers say; retaliation must be swift, disproportionate, unthinking!

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