A Question for the ACLU...

...what the hell is wrong with you people?

Jay at Stop the ACLU has the story: ACLU Wants Suspected Terrorists Allowed Back Into U.S..

Posted by: Bluto at 12:35 AM

Comments

1 Would the ACLU's point make more sense to you if the headline was: "ACLU defends right of two US citizens to reenter the country". One of these two men is a naturalized citizen. The other was born here. Neither are charged with a crime. There is reason to suspect that either or both may support terrorism, but neither has been charged with doing so.

Do you really want to give the government the power to keep citizens out of the country without the intervention of a court?

Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at August 30, 2006 12:51 AM

2 Yes

Posted by: MP at August 30, 2006 07:37 AM

3 Yes! I wish for all muslims to be barred from entering this country for anything but a short visit. Being born here or the Government was stupid enough to make citizens out of them doesn't make them Americans. They are still muslims first.

Posted by: greyrooster at August 30, 2006 08:16 AM

4 Jeff - - Please read the link before making what seem to be silly comments. All they need to do to come back is talk to the FBI. Given to whom they are related and the country they were in I think that is not unreasonable. Nobody says they are denied entry; they just must meet some conditions.I have to pass a test before my driver's license is given me.

Anyone with a good brain and who cares about American Ideals has known for 60 years that the ACLU hates America and in partricular the Constitution. The ACLU has been wagaing war on the Bill of Rights at least since 1946; maybe longer but I was to young before then to understand. I used to think it was because they were a pro Communist group. But after Ronnie crushed Communism they turned their support to NAZImuslims. What has been consistent with the ACLU the last 60 years is their attacks on the American Constitution; regardless of who they are supporting to do it.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 30, 2006 08:17 AM

5 Muslims don't even need to be allowed to visit, much less live here. In fact, there should be a bounty on them, because a good muslim is a dead one.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 30, 2006 09:13 AM

6 Update on the last comment: The same goes for lefturds; they're only useful as fertilizer.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 30, 2006 09:19 AM

7 Yeah! It beats me whywould need to visit. A muslim can do a lot of damage in one day, like recently in San Francisco and Seattle. No news is good news. No muslim is a good muslim.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 30, 2006 09:45 AM

8 I've been wondering what would scare me more than home-grown terrorists. I think I remember now: mob rule. Look, guys, these are citizens of the United States. In the eyes of the law, there is nothing that separates us from them. If they can be denied basic rights like due process, so can you. Is that really what you want? If so, you are as unamerican as the ACLU generally is, because you are recommending the same thing the ACLU generally does: tyranny. It's just that you are recommending your brand of tyranny, and they are recommending theirs.

Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at August 30, 2006 12:32 PM

9 Well Jeff, I don't give a rat's ass for your argument, seeing as how the incidents at Waco and Ruby Ridge prove that we, meaning conservative white people, don't have much in the way of rights anymore anyway.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 30, 2006 01:53 PM

10 Waco was certainly an abuse of government powers. I know less about Ruby Ridge, but what I do know indicates the same. Those acts were also wrong, and should be stopped, and never happen again. (Same with Elian Gonzalez and a host of other Clinton-era nightmares.)

That said, are you actually saying that since these things happened, we should get ours while we can, ensuring that tyranny happens, and only railing against it when "the other side" does it? Because that is what it sounds like you are doing from where I sit.

Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at August 30, 2006 02:49 PM

11 I'll tell you what, why don't we continue allowing muslims to use our laws to further their goals. Maybe, we can go ahead lie down, and die.

All we have to do, is enforce the treason law. If you supported terrorists today please line up against the wall so you can be shot dead.

Thank you, and please tell allah to go F##k himself.

Posted by: Leatherneck at August 30, 2006 06:24 PM

12 Jeff, letting someone into the US who has allegedly(according tohis cousin)attended a terror camp in Pakistan would be a travesty. They should be investigated. And as far as I can tell, that is what is being done. The FBI wants to talk to these people prior to them stepping foot in the US. I don't consider that to be a violation of their rights. If I had been to a terrorist training school, let's say just for kicks, at an al-Queda Camp in the tribal region of Pakistan, I believe the government should have every right to question me about my conduct before allowing me in. And given what has happened in Britain, we should be even more vigilint. I suppose it will take a nuclear blast in one of our cities to get some of you people off the fence. When that happens, and it will, then you fence sitters are going to have to decide who you will support. I say most of you will support the terrorists. Or so it seems at this time.

Posted by: jesusland joe at August 30, 2006 07:44 PM

13 Off the fence?! Dude, I'm so off the fence that I've been recommending conventional invasions of Iran and Syria ever since the end of the invasion of Iraq, on the grounds that it would prevent a nuclear strike later either on those countries or buy them. I'm so off the fence that I (a Pagan) have recommended killing imams who preach salafism or wahhabism and sending in Christian missionaries protected by force of arms. "Off the fence" is hardly a place I need to get to.

And that has what, exactly, to do with this case? If there is evidence to charge them, charge them, arrest them, and try them. If there is not evidence, but the government suspects, watch them. But I'm not willing to give up my 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination or my 4th amendment rights against due process. It scares me that several of you seem to be ready to do just that. What was the line about "essential liberty" and "security" and the tradeoffs between them?

Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at August 30, 2006 08:03 PM

14 Well Jeff, tyranny worked like gangbusters sixty years ago, didn't it? And nobody seems to mind when it's used against White Christians nowadays, especially if they're from the hated South, so why not one standard for everyone?

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 30, 2006 08:08 PM

15 Are skin heads profiled?

Posted by: greyrooster at August 31, 2006 07:49 AM

16 If there is evidence to charge them, charge them, arrest them, and try them. If there is not evidence, but the government suspects, watch them. But I'm not willing to give up my 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination or my 4th amendment rights against due process. It scares me that several of you seem to be ready to do just that.
Amen.

Small clarification: Due process and self-incrimination are both in the 5th. The 14th ammendment elaborates on due process. The 4th is about searches & seizures which I don't believe are in play (yet).
What was the line about "essential liberty" and "security" and the tradeoffs between them?
It varies depending on who you ask and it's usually attributed to Ben Franklin:
'They that can give up essential freedom to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Posted by: Jeff Molby at September 01, 2006 10:22 PM

17 Jeff Molby, neither liberty nor security was ever meant to apply to our enemies, which is what all muslims are. If I had any say, we'd deport them all and then invade their countries and exterminate them to the last one, because that's the only way to deal with them.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2006 04:37 PM

18 Dont you think its time to evoke the ACLUs tax exempt satus dont you think the ACLU should have a RICO investigation on them? any group that sopports allowing a known terrorist back into this country should be shut down and disbanded and RODGER BALDWIN should be locked up

Posted by: sandpiper at September 04, 2006 09:05 AM






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