Civil Liberties in a Time of War

As I have argued since day one on this blog: liberties are ordered and are always dependent on context. It's why a civil libertarian, like myself, can also call for more state intervention in the context of war. War changes everything. Apparently, an emminent legal scholar agrees. If you get the chance, be sure to listen to the whole thing.

Posted by: Rusty at 06:09 PM


1 Considering the gravity of the threat, most if not all civil liberties are still in place. My parents, and my grand parents gave back many more liberties than have been asked of us today.

What we should be asking is, what can I do to help? I say we can help each other by watching out for each other. Sites like this are a great step. Imagine what would have been the outcome of WW2 if there had been a communication media as powerful as the web?

Most of all, we should be lending moral support to the Iraqi people as they begin the task of confronting Muqtada al-Sadr. My guess is the USA is calling in the chit on his ass. I hope so. Remove him, and the Sunni faction will need to fight the IGofI or capitulate.

Posted by: SeeMonk at August 29, 2006 07:30 PM

2 I meant the UGofI Unitarian govt of Iraq

Posted by: SeeMonk at August 29, 2006 07:32 PM

3 The only ones who've lost their civil liberties are the terrorists. My life and my liberties remain entirely unnafected by the Patriot Act, no matter how much the mindless zombies on the Left tell me otherwise. When you ask them how my liberties have suffered, it's obvious they don't have a clue and are just spouting mindless Leftwing platitudes.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 29, 2006 07:56 PM

4 Somewhere there is a machine that must generate the talking points. Random enough to seem new every election cycle, But they are the same points every election cycle.

Posted by: SeeMonk at August 29, 2006 08:05 PM

5 I know this is off topic, but has any one heard of a guy running over 14 people in San. Fran.? I heard he had a Muslim name.

Posted by: Leatherneck at August 29, 2006 08:36 PM

6 You said it Monk! The enemy acts without conscience or hindrances of the media. What the left seems to overlook is that if we lose this global war the impacts to their civil liberties will be far greater then long lines at the airports. The monsters we fight behead people for no other reason then a 5 minute blurb on MSNBC and yet the left demonizes Bush's atempts to intercept their phone calls? If one can't see the a glaringly skewed values system here there is no point in debating the issue with them.

Posted by: USMC_shooter at August 29, 2006 08:36 PM

7 Hey Rusty, have you been to my site lately? Just curious since I stalk yours daily.

Posted by: SeeMonk at August 29, 2006 10:10 PM

8 Well SeaMonk, that would be nice if we could sway Aldr Swar or Muktwawa Al-Assar or whoever, but I am afraid it might be like the Russian toy doll puzzle. You open one doll only to find another and then another and on and on. I would certainly give them moral support through the medium of cyberspace, but that is about the extent thatI would want to expend my energies in that particular corner of the planet. If you must go and try to reason with them or to blast them, I wish you the best. Remember what the rooster said about duty to wife and family.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 29, 2006 11:12 PM

9 And Seamonk, if you want to lose weight so you can re-enlist, eat lots of pasta! Yeah, that's it! Lot's of pasta! But seriously, there are enough broken families and fatherless children on account of this war as it is!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 29, 2006 11:16 PM

10 Both lawyers made good points. Very long winded. I think we need MI5 or a clone. What good does it do to arrest the NAZI after he's beaten our brains out with a lead Pipe (or blown up the Pentagon with an airliner)? I say catch 'em and kill 'em befor then even get the pipe!

Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 30, 2006 08:31 AM

11 So what kind of civil liberties have loyal, patriotic citizens been asked to give up? Other than having to empty my pockets and go through a metal detector in Federal buildings, and get the mirror-under-the-car and bomb-sniffing dog treatment at the airport, my life hasn't really been affected in any way. If liberals and muslims don't like the fact that they can't call Osama to wish him a happy ramadan, that's not my problem, and frankly, if they don't like it, they can get the hell out. This is our country, and we have the right to defend it and its people, and anyone who doesn't like that is an enemy and should be shot.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 30, 2006 09:12 AM

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