Israelis End Unilateral Ceasefire (UPDATED)

Cross-posted from The Dread Pundit Bluto

From the Associated Press:

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli warplanes carried out airstrikes in southern Lebanon on Monday, hours after agreeing to temporarily halt raids while investigating a bombing that killed nearly 60 Lebanese civilians, mostly women and children seeking shelter.
The quick resumption of aerial operations suggests that the Israeli investigation found exactly what The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler suggested: that Qana was a staged event, arranged by Hizballah for a credulous world press to lap up. The building in Qana was attacked between midnight and 1 AM local time, and collapsed seven to eight hours later, plenty of time for Hizballah to stuff the building with civilians, living or dead, then bring it down.

Update: Via Flopping Aces, AJ at The Strata-Sphere runs down the evidence pointing to a hoax by Hizballah, notably, "victims" already displaying rigor mortis and a strange absence of blood.

Posted by: Bluto at 09:34 AM

Comments

1 Bluto... Is that a Dog?

Posted by: Dan at July 31, 2006 10:13 AM

2 The rabid Anti Jewish hate media is in full stridence Even Isreali news outlets are bashing Isreal

But remember, Iran just wants nuclear weapons for.....

PEACE

Posted by: n.a. palm at July 31, 2006 10:23 AM

3 Israel needs to invade Southern Lebanon with a massive enoughforce to destroy Hezbollah in Lebanon as far north as the Littani River. Bombing by air and ground alone will not do it. I'm sure Israel would take heavy casualties, but the destruction of Hezbollah is either now, or never. The next time Hezbollah fires missles into Israel they will have the French Army providing cover for them.

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 31, 2006 10:53 AM

4 Kofi Annon doesn't give a damn about the killings taking place in Darfur. Tens of thousands are homelss starving and/or dead. Huge numbers compared to the conflict in Lebanon. Yet in every photo op and press briefing, his focus is on what Israel should do to end the violence.

To quote Bill O'Reilly "That is simplpy ridiculous."

Kofi Annon is a disgrace. He does nothing for the world. He is a photo op hound and works only to line his own pockets. The mere fact that he has the unmitigated gall to tell the USofA what it should do makes my blood boil! We should respond with anger and deliberate straight talk. Why hasn't Bolton kicked Annon's butt yet?

Posted by: Cmunk at July 31, 2006 11:07 AM

5 I'm picturing a cage match myself; Kofi Annan vs. John "The Mustached Avenger" Bolton. No holds barred, except eye gouging of course. That's only civilized.

Posted by: myamarno at July 31, 2006 11:12 AM

6 The death toll would likely be as high or higher than the casualties suffered on Pelilui or Iwo Jima. Hezbollah is dug in. Unlike the island hopping campain of WW2, the Israelis don't have water on all sides to limit the spread and depth of the Hezbollah entrenchments. It will be bloody, and ultimately Israel will surrender the land soaked in their own blood. That could be too high a price to invade on a large scale.

Posted by: Cmunk at July 31, 2006 11:28 AM

7 Well, as those and scores of other battlegrounds have proven, relying largely on air power against land forces is not only largely inneffective against dug-in troops, but cause unnacceptable levels of collateral damage, losing the "hearts and minds" portion of the war.

Posted by: myamarno at July 31, 2006 11:46 AM

8 Kofi Annan is not only a disgrace but complicit, I believe, in the accidental deaths of the UN "observers." Why didn't he order them off the border when the fighting broke out? What purpose did they serve sitting in their towers other than to be used as PR cannon fodder for Hizb'Allah?

Has anyone in the MSM asked him to explain this? Is he held accountable for anything? Why do any of our taxes go to support Annan, this unimpeachable anti-American? Tell me we're not as "naive" as the rest of the world likes to believe.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at July 31, 2006 11:47 AM

9 >>>> Why didn't he order them off the border when the fighting broke out?

Because its kind of hard to "observe" from the rear and observation is what they were tasked with. I believe the observers knew the risks and accepted them.

Posted by: myamarno at July 31, 2006 11:50 AM

10 Cmunk, I think you're wrong in your statement about high allied casualties, because being "dug in" in this day and age means that you're just a stationary target. The only hope for an inferior enemy is to remain mobile enough to hit and run, and that requires safe routes of transit, which require cover, which is pretty sparse in Lebanon. If Israel fights as it should, the Hezzies would have to retreat into Syria in order to survive, if they could make it to the border.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 31, 2006 12:01 PM

11 We have to play the game. Common sense is out the window when you have to deal with intentional deception and the manufacturing of reality. Annon is biased and could be complicit in the deaths since he should have gotten the same messages about hezbollah using the UN compound as a shield.

What did he know, and when did he know it. I doubt we will ever know. If hezbollah is orchestrating the tragedy, and deaths then there is little any of us can do until the Lebonese people see them for the monster they really are. Until then the innocent die as the Evil hides behind their bloody corpses.

Posted by: Cmunk at July 31, 2006 12:07 PM

12 plenty of time for Hizballah to stuff the building with civilians, living or dead, then bring it down.

Thats then second dumbest thing I ever heard. (See the Landis post for the first)
What a bunch of unevolved trailer hicks.

Posted by: Quando at July 31, 2006 12:07 PM

13 myamarno: "Because its kind of hard to "observe" from the rear"

What exactly is the UN "observing?" The UN stands by watching the warring parties tear each other apart -- as if the war is one big cock fight for high stakes?

The concept of "observing" - and for that matter of "neutrality" - need to be put into sharper focus here.

To be "neutral" in the face of an existential crisis is pornographic. Standing by watching while two parties bomb each other ,without taking sides, is immoral.

Or, in the case of Annan, disingenous. Because I believe he has taken sides. He is pro-Hizb'Allah. And the death of the UN observers helped Hizb'Allah because they provided anti-Israel PR. He should be held accountable.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at July 31, 2006 12:12 PM

14 IM; not neccesarily. Consider Iraq, another land of fairly sparse cover. The insurgents are doing well, too well, against US forces within the borders of the country. How? By being made up entirely of non-uniformed militia fighters, spreading themselves across large geographical areas, maintaining virtually uninterrupted supply lines and counting on plenty of local "friendlies"for support. Under those conditions, one can fight for nearly unlimited periods.

Posted by: myamarno at July 31, 2006 12:13 PM

15 I had originally believed Israel would use bunker buster bombs and eliminate the dug in positions. It seems though they are deeper than expected, and extremely spread out. I don't know. I am too far away and rely on what I get through the media. Makes for a hopeless position when trying to break down intelligence.

Didn't Saddaam fill his bunkers with civilians during Desert Storm? I seem to recall we blasted a bunker and killed lots of Iraqi's because they were sheltered in a command an control bunker in Bagdad. They were likely shiites, just as the dead in Qura are likely Christian. Perhaps Sunni as well. I have fallen into a Quandry and can't get up!

Posted by: Cmunk at July 31, 2006 12:16 PM

16 wonder how many of those civilians were christians. ive read stuff how the plo would do despicable things with staged events with christians

Posted by: jimmytheclaw at July 31, 2006 12:27 PM

17 >>> What exactly is the UN "observing?"

According to the e-mail of Major Hess-von Kruedener, the Canadian military officer who was killed last week, the mission of his team was to "maintain the integrity of the withdrawal line (Blue Line) and report on any and all violations or activities of the that threaten the cease-fire and international peace and security here along the Lebanese/Israeli border, and Israeli occupied Lebanon, and to support the UNSC resolution 1559, within our mission mandate."

The mandates behind this and any UN observation mission is to observe with neutrality and report violations from either side. Now whether you agree that should be the mandate of ANY body in a war zone is another matter, and evidently you feel everyone involved should -- or actually does-- take one side or the other and should admit it. That is certainly one opinion, though such a move would be in violation of their own mandates.

Posted by: myamarno at July 31, 2006 12:29 PM

18 "What a bunch of unevolved trailer hicks".

Now that's funny, from a person who wants to protect a bunch of savages(Hezbollah) trying to take the World back to the Dark Ages. If they succeed, Quando, please remember what you said. One wonders how someone who has the ability to read and write can be as stupid as Quando.

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 31, 2006 12:31 PM

19 Quando, I had something similar in mind as a reaction this kind of sick thinking.

In reaction to jesusland joe post, your right, thatís the only way for Israel to see any victory. If there will be a cease-fire right now or in the coming week Israel would have lost, So far they hardly have any ground control. Although they achieved a lot of destruction which makes it very difficult for people to get out!

It is a sad thing and it is only getting worse!

Poor Israel!

Posted by: Dan at July 31, 2006 12:38 PM

20 myamarmo: "The mandates behind this and any UN observation mission is to observe with neutrality and report violations from either side."

The UN hides behind bureaucracy while HIzb'Allah lobs rockets. Violations of the UN stated mandate are ignored. There is no point to "observing" and a moral man, which Annan is not, would say so.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at July 31, 2006 12:43 PM

21 For anyone who like have an insight in why they hate Israel. You are free to see this documentary:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696&hl=en
1 hour and 20 minutes.

Posted by: Dan at July 31, 2006 12:48 PM

22 Heroic Dreamer: There's more than enough rocket-lobbing and dead children on both sides to start bringing up morality in any serious way here. But if moral men always choose sides as you say -- "Standing by watching while two parties bomb each other without taking sides is immoral" -- then isn't Annan by your definition a moral man? Didn't you say he has chosen Hezbollah? Or do you have to pick a particular side to be moral now as well?

Posted by: myamarno at July 31, 2006 12:50 PM

23 Quandry and Dim,

It is easy to poo poo what others are saying and call names. Particularly when you offer no real rebuttal. I will be the first to admit I am lacking in writing skills. I sometimes struggle to articulate my opinions.

Why aren't you two daisy pickers more forthwright in your beliefs? Are you simply afraid of the response you will recieve? Are you both examples of the isolationistic dreamers our public education system has been pumping out since the late 60's? Share with us your platform, thoughts on things other than your poor guesses at where I may or may not reside.

Or is it that you actually live in a trailor park? I used to build computers for the less fortunates who lived in the trailor parks around me. Were you guys a couplpe of the beneficiaries of my benevolence? Do oyu hide behind the anonymnity of the computer screen to cast dispersions at those you envy?

That sounds like a description of Hezbollah.

Posted by: Cmunk at July 31, 2006 12:59 PM

24 myamarmo:"There's more than enough rocket-lobbing and dead children on both sides"

Not true. Hizb'Allah's stated aim is to drive Israel into the sea. Israel's stated aim is to protect its citizens. Big difference. No equivalence here.

Hizb'Allah uses women and children as cover. Israel goes out to great lengths not to fire on innocent women and children. No equivalence here.

Annan hides behind the cover of the UN. He presents himself to the world as a neutral party. He is not. By keeping his "observers" on the border he reveals that he is not neutral. The UN observers are in the way, but only in Israel's way because Hizb'Allah doesn't care about UN casualties. Conclusion - Annan has chosen sides and is intentionally handicappping the Israelis.

By the way, observing violations of the blue line is absurd in the context of this war.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at July 31, 2006 01:16 PM

25 Heroic Dreamer: Strange statements indeed -- especially after seeing the photos of the dead children in Qana, and then adding up the number of non-Hezbollah Lebanese dead ó approximately four times that of the Israelis.

As far as using children and women as shields, I too have read accounts of this. And every time I ask myself, if this were the case in general, how could any group responsible for such atrocities enjoy the popular support Hezbollah has enjoyed for years throughout southern Lebanon? Furthermore, how could such a group even get elected to their parliament by popular vote? Makes no sense to me.

But let's talk realpolitik for a moment: Hezbollah can no more drive Israel into the sea than Iraqi insurgents can physically drive the US out of Iraq until we're ready to go, no matter what their stated goals may be. They just don't have the firepower. So the mass killing of civilians even accidentally to "defend" against something that cannot happen is indefensible.

And how keeping UN observers at the border they are supposed to be monitoring reveals Annan's lack of neutrality--which again, makes him a moral man by your goalposts -- is beyond me. However, I also believe that UN deaths are as much on the heads of the militia as they are on the IDF and stated as much when I said the UN knows what they are getting into.

I see no resolution to any of this with the current Hatfield-McCoy mentality on both sides.

Posted by: myamarno at July 31, 2006 02:11 PM

26 Moreammo, the answer to you questions concerning the Lebonese support for Hizbollah is simple. They are stupid! Don't try to understand them because they are incomprehensible to the sensible, civilized mind.
And Dan. don't waste your time posting links to videos about why arabs hate the Jews. I'll bet few here are interested. We already know that Arabs hold a grudge against the Jews for " doing in " the savior, however, they are still God's chosen people and God has forgiven them and is in the process of fulfilling scripture that says the enemies will be delivered unto the hands of Israel, not because Israel is so righteous or deserving, but because the enemy nations are so much more evil and contemptable. :-) Ah! The fresh scent of Apocalypse! Sing praises!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 31, 2006 02:52 PM

27 You say: "So the mass killing of civilians even accidentally to "defend" against something that cannot happen is indefensible."

This is such propaganda. There are no mass killings of civilians. Civilians are being killed because Hizb'Allah puts them in the line of fire by using their homes and towns as launch pads and the Israelis respond and sometimes hit them. If you were really concerned you would blame Hizb'Allah.

You say: "They just don't have the firepower."

Hizb'Allah doesn't have the firepower to drive Israel into the sea? Haven't you heard that Hizb'Allah is a military arm of Iran, and that Iran is actively seeking nuclear weapons?

What is the UN observing? the war? is this some kind of a football game and the UN is the referee?

The UN - many a dictator's favorite ennabler - is ineffectual at best, and, I am starting to think, immoral as well.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at July 31, 2006 02:56 PM

28 Larry--do you really believe the Israelis are hated by the Arabs because of the old catholic canard that the Jews killed Christ?

Do you REALLY believe that?

Posted by: jd at July 31, 2006 03:08 PM

29 Oh, and on the original post: I love how the speculation that the house might have fallen hours after it was hit, has now turned into fact, that fact then becoming linked to the supposition that the whole thing was staged.

The major Israeli media is NOT saying this. I haven't seen any credible accounts that state that the building collapsed hours later. Not even the IDF is saying that. Please, people, check into this yourself, don't buy the original post.

Posted by: jd at July 31, 2006 03:09 PM

30 JD,

Please don't insult the real religion of peace by suggesting Catholics lied about the crucifixion of Christ at the hands of the Romans and Jews. Whether you believe he is God and Man, or not, he was real, he really did die on the cross. It is not a lie. However, most Catholics do not hate Jews as the killers of Christ. The Romans actually did the deed and we all know it.

Posted by: Cmunk at July 31, 2006 03:48 PM

31 Cmunk--please make sure Mel Gibson and his father get your message. Also, please note that the anti-semitic aspects of the Passion were based not on the bible but the writings of a Catholic nun. The lie has been told by many, but most prominently by the Catholics. Some of my ancestors died because of that lie. I know it pretty damn well, and I know who told it. The lie that Jews bear responsibility for the blood of Christ has been preached by many a priest and even some Popes. I give credit to recent ones, most particularly John Paul II, for correcting the record, and for apologizing sincerely for contributing to the killing of so many innocent Jews.

I'm not one of those nuts who blame the Catholics for the Holocaust, or Hitler, or what have you. But the lie killed a lot of Jews, and they died at the hands of a lot of Catholics.

Posted by: jd at July 31, 2006 03:53 PM

32 jd: The bottom line is that the corrupt Sanhedrins in power (i.e., bigwigs of the RELIGION) wanted Christ dead--not a race of people. The Romans, not wanting a riot, went along with this.

No one with any common sense would blame His death on the Jews. Have some Catholics done this? Yes, but the Church has never officially promulgated such a thing in HER teachings.



Posted by: youngbourbonprofessional at July 31, 2006 06:47 PM

33 Consider Iraq, another land of fairly sparse cover. The insurgents are doing well, too well, against US forces within the borders of the country. How? By being made up entirely of non-uniformed militia fighters, spreading themselves across large geographical areas, maintaining virtually uninterrupted supply lines and counting on plenty of local "friendlies"for support. Under those conditions, one can fight for nearly unlimited periods.

You are correct myarnmo, but that doesn't address my previous remark; rather, it reinforces it. The insurgents in Iraq aren't dug in, but rather depend on mobility and uninterruped supply.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 31, 2006 06:53 PM

34 Havn't you seen " JesusChrist Superstar " or read the bible? It was the Jewish people who shouted: " Crucify Him " PontiasPilate made a case for Jesus declaring him insane and ordering 40 lashes to try to appease the crowd. As they kept shouting " Crucify Him " Pilate finally gave in and let Jesus be crucified. Pilate was reluctant. The Sanhedrins as mentioned were behind the whole thing and they were good at manipulating the crowd to make them appear responsible and keeping their own hands clean. The Sanhedrins could not accept having a " Hippie " declaring that he was " King of the Jews ". Pretty understandable. The same sort of thing might happen in today's world. Furthermore, the " Passion of Christ " brought forth for me the superhumanness of it all and the demonic forces taking control and having a field day! A lot of punishment was meted out and the movie shows how the whipper sort of became possessed and had to be called off. Peace be with you. Go with God!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 31, 2006 07:11 PM

35 IM, OK, I see. I was referring more to the comment you made about Hezzies having "to retreat into Syria in order to survive, if they could make it to the border." I don't think they'd have to retreat; they can pretty much stay where they are and keep fighting for years, as Iraqi insurgents have done.

Posted by: myarnmo at July 31, 2006 07:22 PM

36 I don't think they could stay put and fight, because unlike the US forces, the Israelis have an extensive intelligence network, and the ability to move among their enemies undetected, as many Israelis can easily pass as arabs. The Israelis could find and destroy them if they stand and fight, because the Israelis have a modern military and could crush the pathetic Hezzies with overwhelming force. If Hezballah could put up a real fight, they would be doing so now, instead of hiding behind women and children, as the cowards they are.

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