African Taliban Readying for Regional Jihad, World Sleeps

Ilyushin_IL-76_Mogadishu_Somalia_Kazakhstan_Airplane_Eritrea_arms_Islamists-AP.jpgThe African Taliban are gearing up to spread their jihad to neighboring states. Like the Afghan Taliban before them, the Somali version--known as the Union of Islamic Courts--first goal is to establish its authority in Mogadishu, and then spread the Islamic state to areas still not under its control.

The group is already receiving the aid of Arab and other non-Somali mujahadin--including al Qaeda linked fighters. Already a safe-haven for international terrorists and funded by Gulf and Sudanese oil money, it will not be long before news reports pick up the fact that training camps are being established and the flow of arms to the Islamists is increasing.

Above: AP photo of suspected arms being flown in to Mogadishu. The airplane is a Soviet Ilyushin Il-76 with Kazakhstani national airline markings. The Il-76 is one of the world's largest airplanes

Like the Afghan Taliban before them, the Islamists in Somalia deny any link or support of terrorism. And just like Afghanistan, the evidence is overwhelming to the contrary. Again, the U.N. and world community takes the word of terrorists that they are not, in fact, terrorists.

The interim Somali government--which has no authority anyway--is about to fall based on its failure to officially back the Islamist militias who are now imposing sharia law on most of the country.

War now looms between Somalia and its Islamist allies in Eretrea, and Christian Ethiopia. Ethiopian troops are already said to be inside Somalia.

And the U.N.? As usual, the main concern of the U.N. is peace at all costs. Even if that cost is the freedom of Somalis and the establishment of a new safe-haven where the jihad can be exported across the Horn of Africa and beyond.

The holy warriors receiving support in Somalia today will be the mujahadin fighting in Southern Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, & Djibouti tomorrow. From there it will move across Africa, probably first to Nigeria where sharia is already imposed in the north.

Then, before the world is even aware of the conflict, New York City.

Israel can defeat Hezbollah without our help, but if Ethiopia does not begin to receive MASSIVE amounts of U.S. military aid IMMEDIATELY, then a far larger problem looms on the horizon.

The U.S. already has troops stationed in Djibouti.

The fifth column at the Council of Islamic Relations, predictably, calls the takeover of Somalia by the Islamists a positive change (via Charles Johnson). Let me repeat that, CAIR calls the takeover of a country by an al Qaeda linked grouped a positive change.

Let that sink in for a moment.

This is VERY bad news. Eritrea may be the conduit for which arms are beginning to flow--with the help of Kazakhstan, but the real problem is in Sudan and in Saudi Arabia. VOA:

For the second time this week, a large plane arrived in the Islamists-controlled Somali capital of Mogadishu Friday, carrying an unknown cargo. But many people believe it contains weapons from Eritrea, which the Islamist leadership in Somalia denies. VOA Correspondent Alisha Ryu in Mogadishu says, reports of military activity by rivals Eritrea and Ethiopia in Somalia are fueling fears of a proxy war.

A Russian-made Illuyshin-76 cargo plane touched down early Friday morning at the recently reopened Mogadishu airport. It had the same Kazakhstan Airways markings as a plane that landed Wednesday.

In both cases, there was extraordinary security. Islamic militiamen sealed off all roads and prevented curious on-lookers from gathering near the facility. But some eyewitnesses said that they saw several large trucks leaving the airport in a convoy a short while after the plane landed.

The arrival of the two planes this week is fueling speculation among Somalis that neighboring Eritrea is helping to arm Somali Islamists, who are facing a possible showdown with Ethiopian troops, believed to be protecting the country's secular and highly vulnerable interim government, which has its headquarters 250 kilometers away in the town of Baidoa.

I highly suggest reading the rest of this post below, and immediately contacting your Congressperson. Defeating the Islamists in Africa is just about the last thing on their minds in this election year.

Below: AFP reporters captured this picture of the arms transfer.

Ilyushin_IL-76_Mogadishu_Somalia_Kazakhstan_Airplane_Eritrea_arms_Islamists.jpg

If this part of the article is true, then we are in bigger trouble than I thought. Hopefully, this is just State Department speak while Defense, as usual, does the important work.

The United States has urged Somalis to seek a dialogue, aimed at creating a unity government, and has called on Ethiopia and Eritrea to avoid any actions, which could hamper that effort.
Meanwhile, Somali ministers and parliamentarians are being shot in the street. Reuters:
Gunmen shot dead a Somali minister outside a mosque on Friday, triggering riots by pro-government protesters who threw rocks and burned tyres at the interim administration's provincial base of Baidoa.

Witnesses said assailants opened fire on Constitution and Federalism Minister Abdallah Deerow Isaq as he left prayers -- an attack sure to heighten tensions in the violence-plagued Horn of Africa nation which many fear is sliding toward war.....

Other sources in Baidoa, however, said one [suspect in the killing] was a young Muslim fundamentalist based at the same mosque.

And it wouldn't be al Reuters if the spirit of Santayana didn't haunt these words:
Born out of sharia courts created from the mid-1990s to restore some order to Mogadishu during a period of anarchy and violence, the Islamists defeated U.S.-backed warlords in Mogadishu and have since expanded to take other towns.
Just like Kabul ca. 1994.

The U.N.? Feckless, as usual. Relief Web:

The senior United Nations envoy to Somalia appealed for calm today in the strife-torn African country after gunmen assassinated the Minister for Constitutional and Federal Affairs Abdallah Deerow Isaaq outside a mosque, and he announced he will attend an urgent regional meeting called to discuss the worsening situation.....

Yesterday, Mr. Fall wrote to the chairman of the Executive Council of Islamic Courts to reiterate his call for a resumption of peace talks with the Transitional Federal Government. He also stressed the UN’s commitment to pursuing all avenues for peace and reconciliation through dialogue in Somalia, which has not had a functioning government since President Muhammad Siad Barre’s regime was toppled in 1991.

We do not need dialogue, we need victory against the Islamists before they successfully turn Somalia into a regional and world threat.

From the AP:

A Islamic Courts Militia stand on Personnel Armoured Vehicle guarding the Villa Somalia, Thrusday, July 27, 2006. The Islamic militia that has seized the capital along with much of southern Somalia said Thursday it was setting up a religious court inside the vast compound that once served as the presidential palace.
AP photo at an anti-Ethiopia rally in Mogadishu. The sign reads Whoever let Ethiopians in Somalia is Evil

Another image from the same rally. Please deny that this is jihad. I dare you. The banner is a verse from the Quran.

Meanwhile, Ethiopia rightfully accuses Eritrea of supporting al Qaeda linked groups. EITB:

Addis Ababa regards the Islamists as terrorists linked to both al Qaeda and the Somali radical group al-Itihaad al-Islaami, which was all but obliterated by Ethiopian forces in the 1990s.

"The Eritrean government is actively supporting the al-Itihaad and al Qaeda extremist leaders who oppose the widely accepted and recognized transitional government," an Ethiopian Ministry of Information statement said.

"If there is anyone who is reluctant to support peace and stability in Somalia, it is only the Eritrean government that is trying to disturb the region by allying itself with extremist elements," the statement added.

Addis Ababa denies its troops are in Somalia, while Asmara denies funnelling military aid to the Islamists

Here is part of a larger Jamestown Foundation analysis:
The ICU [Islamic Courts Union] and the AIAI [al-Ittihad al-Islami--behind Blackhawk Down incident, African embassy bombings--Somalian al Qaeda] are different entities, yet the former appears to have grown out of the latter, bequeathing some of its characteristics in the new body. Ideologically, the ICU and AIAI share many similarities. While the ICU wants an Islamic state in Somalia in the short term governed by Sharia law, media reports allege that the Islamic courts are eyeing a bigger Islamic state in the long term carved out of East Africa, similar to the old goals of AIAI, which wanted to create an Islamic state out of Somalia and Ethiopia. The ICU is also radical in approach, sustains a charity wing and has militias just as AIAI once did.....

At the moment, analysts agree the demarcation between the two is thin. According to Ato Medhane Tadesse who works for Center for Policy Research and Dialogue, a local Ethiopian think-tank, the first courts were established by AIAI and multiplied as the organization loosened control. Tadesse told the Addis Ababa Reporter on July 15 that the Somali people supported the courts because they brought peace and stability. "They were better than warlords," he said. According to the analyst, former AIAI leaders oriented the courts in an Islamic way, controlled them and gave them ideological direction and brought in military mobilization. The courts, like AIAI, have a social wing known as al-Islah, and is largely viewed as reformist. It provides clinics, schools, roads and support for children.

In light of these similarities, many East African countries consider the ICU takeover of Somalia a threat. The East African, a regional weekly based in Nairobi, reported that the ICU, having seized control of southern Somalia, plans to use local elements to destabilize Kenya. The weekly quoted Somaliland Representative Saad Noor, who was in Washington on July 11, and warned the U.S. Congress that the ICU wanted to first conquer all of Somalia and then declare it an Islamic state. The next step would be to topple and control Somaliland, a territory in northwestern Somalia that declared its independence from larger Somalia when the country descended into chaos following the collapse of Barre's dictatorship. The next step, according to this representative, would be to topple Kenya and Ethiopia, two other secular states who are Somalia's neighbors.

The same publication quoted David Shinn, former U.S. ambassador to Ethiopia, now a specialist in East African affairs, on July 11 telling a U.S. subcommittee that some leaders of the ICU militias wanted to re-energize the greater Somalia concept by incorporating into Somalia Somali-inhabited areas in Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti. As Shinn explained, this would happen if the Islamists come to be dominated by extremist elements and succeeded in consolidating power throughout Somalia. "It will be only a matter of time before Kenya becomes subject to Somali irredentism," Shinn said. Evidence of this consolidation came on July 20, when ICU fighters advanced toward Baidoa, the seat of the TFG. The TFG, an authority created for Somalia two years ago through the efforts of Kenya and the United Nations, failed to be accepted at the grassroots level in Somalia. By the ICU's advance toward Baidoa, it is clear that the ICU wants to consolidate their rule throughout Somalia.

East African countries cannot throw caution into the wind if recent events associated with Islamic fundamentalism are something to go by. Although radical AIAI activities have generally been recorded in Ethiopia, the group is blamed for the 1993 deaths of 18 U.S. soldiers killed in Mogadishu. Furthermore, it is alleged that the al-Qaeda terrorists who destroyed the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam used Somalia as a staging area.

WAKE. UP. WORLD.

Posted by: Rusty at 07:27 PM

Comments

1 As long as Islam has oil revenue, the Islamic terrorist hordes continue to be funded. I wished the west would just take away their oil production altogether.

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 28, 2006 03:50 PM

2 Could UBL have been on one of those planes?

Posted by: Cmunk at July 28, 2006 03:58 PM

3 No. Comment.

Posted by: Rusty at July 28, 2006 04:02 PM

4 Cmunk,
I wonder about that too. The plane was from Khazakhstan which borders both Iran and Afghanistan (if I'm not mistaken) and both of these countries could've been potential hiding places for UBL. In fact the Mullah's ruling Iran don't even try to hide the fact that UBL's son is staying there (or at least he was until recently). My guess is that UBL was in Iran until Zarqawi was killed and that the Shiite Mullah's finally decided they couldn't come to an agreement with this Sunni and made him leave. This in turn might explain why UBL ordered his hordes in Iraq to declare open season on the Shiite's following Zarqawi's death. So the Sunni Muslim country of Khazakhstan could've offered UBL a temporary hiding place until he could be transported to the newest seat of Al-Qaeda/Talibanism power Somalia; there to set up his new Califite. Maybe!

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 28, 2006 04:20 PM

5 Khazikstan Air went defunct in 2004. The question is: who bought their inventory of cargo planes?

Posted by: Rusty at July 28, 2006 04:38 PM

6 You are correct. People need to come to the realization that a war has been declared on all non-muslims by militant islamo-fascists who would behead us all. It's a shame that only a few countries are willing to stand up to these new jihadis.

Posted by: RepJ at July 28, 2006 04:40 PM

7 Cmunk,
My mistake Khazakhstan does not border Iran or Afghanistan directly but it is close to both countries.

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 28, 2006 04:47 PM

8 If any one can track down news articles or whatever that could give a clue as to where Kazakhstan Air sold its inventory of Il-76 planes, that would be a start.

Posted by: Rusty at July 28, 2006 05:00 PM

9 I find it very hard to work up much give a shiite about Somalia and Somalis. I think they shall reap what they have sown.
Blackhawk down.
However arming Ethiopia with the most modern weapons to kill the Somali Taliban is something I am for!

Posted by: Barry 0351 at July 28, 2006 05:26 PM

10 I predicted this would happen quite some time ago. Somalia was allowed to lanquish until it fell into the hands of the Islamists. Watch Africa light up. In flames.

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 28, 2006 05:58 PM

11 Hey Rusty... don't know if you picked up on my being hacked by the al3iznet/020 clown again yesterday, but I'm already back and I stuck a new animation above the ever-popular MoHamsters.

I'm hankerin' for a fresh fatwa.

Posted by: Aaron's cc: at July 28, 2006 06:16 PM

12 Yeah, you got hacked while we got banned in India. You should have been banned too with your photoshop!

Posted by: Rusty at July 28, 2006 06:32 PM

13 You all should know it is not just about terrorism. It is has also regional poletical meaning. For example, the Ethiopian PM, Meles Zenawi, is a known dictator. Should America give him all the amunation he wants just because he show some interest to fight islamist in Somalia? Wouldn't that antagonize the Somali and the Ethiopian population ( about half muslim) even further? I opt for poletical dialogue.

Posted by: Sol King at July 28, 2006 06:52 PM

14 Like all those years of "dialogue" the West had with the Taliban (through intermediaries in Pakistan)??

Yeah, that worked out just great for everyone.......

Posted by: Rusty at July 28, 2006 07:07 PM

15 Dear Dr;
First of all,i'd like to tell you that i'm chritian but i also have muslim relatives.
When you talk about Ethiopia,the majority of the people(more than 60%) are muslim.And in my opinion,please don't say ethiopia is a chritian country.
Secondly,the ruling party of ethiopia:EPRDF is a front who many gangsters gathered together;which dosn't have a future for its people;very hated;and tries to draw attention of the world as the champion of terrorist fighting.But actual sense,it is terrorist for its own people.So PM Meles Zenawiis trying to misled the international community,especially The United States.As the respected Herman Cohn said,the ruling governing front is misinforming and the international community most importantly the United States of America.So try to invetigate the behaviour of the Front insead of raising it as anti-terrorist allie.Thank you.

Posted by: michael at July 28, 2006 07:18 PM

16 The good thing about jihadis in Somalia is that if some superbug starts going around the training camps that makes them all bleed out their assholes and die in 24 hours, the world will shrug it's shoulders and say "That's Africa."

Not that I'm suggesting anything, mind you.

Posted by: Oscar Goldman at July 28, 2006 07:20 PM

17 So, Michael, what you are saying here is that you, as a Christian Ethiopian, would welcome the Islamic Courts militia into Ethiopia. That we in the West, and sub-Saharan Africa as well, should try to talk and work out what with these guys in Somalia. What are you proposing, Michael, other than allowing Somalia to be a staging ground for terrorists? It's apparent to me that trying to talk to Muslims is a waste of time, and even worse, because they talk while at the same time preparing a knife to stab into your back.

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 28, 2006 08:20 PM

18 I always find it amsuing when a bunch of armchair generals completely ignorant of world affairs, or atleast certainly, horn of Africa affairs give their two cents worth.

But, based on the patheticly incompetent handling of the somalia/Islamist affair by the state or defense department(you take your pick)...most of you might havd a job there.

One fact often omitted in the reports on somalia is how the US ignorantly backed a bunch of warlords thugs against the Islamicist, and lost.

Then to make matters worse the bumbling American officials once again imcompetenly gave tacit backing for the ethiopians to roll their tanks into Somalia,, further deligitmating the so-called transitional Somali governmen and giving the Islamicist a ralling cry.

Now, once again we have the bufoons from the state/defense department going for a three-peat by "urging" the Islamicists, you know...the ones they had bet their money against and lost terribly to come to the negotiating table.

What a joke!!

Posted by: sammy at July 28, 2006 08:23 PM

19 Sammy.

If you had been reading this webpage, you would know that we know all about what has been going on.

We backed some losers and they lost.

But I would rather back thugs on OUR side than the much more dangerous thugs against us.

It is erroneous to believe that if we just "talk" to the Islamists that they will play nice. They won't. And when they impose sharia over Ethiopia after arming themselves to the teeth during a protraccted hudna, then you and all the peacenicks will be crying foul because we legitimized them by dealing with them.

There is only one way to deal with the Salaafist of this ilk: kill them.

They are MUCH worse than any alternative imaginable.

Posted by: Rusty at July 28, 2006 08:55 PM

20 I always find it amusing when a supposedly "moderate" Muslim suggests that we talk to the people he claims are hijacking his religion in the name of terror. But when push comes to shove, he will always back the terrorists, hence we have CAIR now backing the Islamists in Somalia, and they wonder why we accuse them of supporting terrorism. They are either completely stupid, or they are a fifth column. I think we know exactly what they are.

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 28, 2006 09:07 PM

21 Rusty,
Some time ago President Bush made a most admirable statement; he said "In the long run there is NO trading liberty for security". I think he was talking about the moral mistake of backing some two bit thug to confront another two bit thug. They are both thugs! To hell with them both! The thug who might be your bed-fellow out of expediency today can be your mortal enemy tomorrow (case in point Saddam). Thuggery MUST BE MET with force. To put it in your vernacular there are only two things to do with a thug:
a) kill them
b) make him your b*tch!
Abiding them is not an option.

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 28, 2006 09:23 PM

22 As an Ethiopian American, I am writing you to express my strong opposition to the silence and apathy of the international community about the highly volatile situation in East Africa. An ever more lethal environment exists in Africa as local civil wars spread beyond borders to create regional war zones. Forming coalitions of the willing and cooperative security arrangements are keys to confronting these emerging transitional threats. Recent events in Somalia, where Sheikh Hassan Dahir Awys, a known al-Queda supporter, was appointed leader of the Union of Islamic Courts, underscores the absolute critical importance of a well-trained, well-equipped Ethiopian Defense Force. Any such apathy to weaken Ethiopia’s ability to (1) counteract Somalia’s homegrown terrorists and (2) prevent Somalia from allowing outside terrorist organizations to use its “ungoverned space” as a base is a threat to the Horn of Africa, the Middle East and the United States.

Posted by: EG at July 28, 2006 09:24 PM

23 I found a few things but mainly I found out this plane is for sale lease big time.All the players probably have access incuding Iran terrorists too. Kazakstan air still returns commercial cargo adds on googlefor many companys.

Posted by: Howie at July 28, 2006 09:24 PM

24 I told you so
Best
GM

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 28, 2006 09:36 PM

25 Rusty,

So in effect.... you are argueing for the same kind of incoherent cold war geopolitics practiced by Reagan who infamously said "he may be a dictator...but he is our dictator"...

When will you learn from your mistakes....it is that type of nonsensical manoveuring that gives rise to some of these fanatics.

How about you let the Somalians decide their own fates...whatever that is...and only take action when they attempt something...

or you can play this idiotic doctrine of pre-emptive strike...kill all the somalians...and then piss of even more people that will want to kill you

Posted by: samm at July 28, 2006 09:50 PM

26 Oh by the way... I forgot to add the irony of your "he's our dictator" logic which led to such infamous figures like Saddam(which america backed against the Iranian bogeyman) and Osama(which america also backed against the Russian Menace)...

BUT NOW...Things are different now, right!

Posted by: sammy at July 28, 2006 09:56 PM

27 Militants and fanatics have to be stopped and there are many in Somalia.

Posted by: gash2go@hotmail.com at July 28, 2006 10:00 PM

28 Militants and fanatics have to be stopped and there are many in Somalia.

Posted by: gash2go@hotmail.com at July 28, 2006 10:00 PM

29 Militants and fanatics have to be stopped and there are many in Somalia.

Posted by: gash2go@hotmail.com at July 28, 2006 10:00 PM

30 Seems to me Sammy boy that Saddam was the bitch of the French much more than the Americans. What do you say to that? The US support for Saddam was quite small compared to the EU. So where is your criticism of the EU, you stupid dickhead?

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 28, 2006 11:12 PM

31 Anyone notice the irony of USA backing of the Somali warlords? Hussein Farrah Aidid, a member of the interim "government" was the son of Muhammad Ferrah Aidid of the Habr Gidr clan who defeated US troops in the Battle of Mogadishu. The irony is that his clan was defeated by the ICU during the Second Battle of Mogadishu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein_Mohamed_Farrah
The war in Somalia is nothing new people, it is merely a capitalist extension of the Somali civil war that started back in 1977. It started out as more of a war between clans, not necessarily ideology. The war in Somali is merely a chess game whose factions are ready to sacrifice their pawns. As with most conflicts in Africa (and around the world), they can last for decades. Whoever wins, the Somali and Ethiopian people might still lose. A conflict as old as Somalis may might as well last past our lifetimes. This war is a tragedy, just like the Second Congo War where the average twelve year old has seen more combat than a U.S. Army Ranger.

Posted by: anarchistmanifesto at July 28, 2006 11:35 PM

32 And the point of your post anarchistmanifesto is what?

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 28, 2006 11:46 PM

33 anabrainiac:
Did you miss the point that his son was also a United States Marine? and educated in the United States -- that is why the U.S believed he would be a better person to deal with.


Posted by: davec at July 29, 2006 12:14 AM

34 A. there was NO "Battle of Mogadishu" involving US military forces. If you mean October 1993 mission, that was hardly a defeat. There still finding pieces of those 1,500 doped up clowns. Don't confuse Slick Willies lack of gonads as a defeat in Sewer City Somalia.

B. No irony at all - there is a hierarchy of shit in the world and the Muzzies are currently top-pig.

C. Hussein Ferrah Aidid is a pussy just like Daddy Aidid. Plus he was a shitty Marine from what I have heard.

D. What I find ironic Sparky is that al-Qā'idah was helping the warlords.

Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at July 29, 2006 12:15 AM

35 "Hussien Ferrah is a pussy just like Daddy Aidid. Plus he was a shitty Marine from what I hear." You forgot to mention that the Habr Gidr clan lost to the Islamic Courts Union; they fled. Maybe your right Barney Coppersmith. Maybe the Habr Gidr clan was just a bunch of authoritarian potheads; however, the war in Somalia will probably rage on long after we've past. Hopefully it will not escalate too much, but the course of that war is out of the USA government's hands. Why did William Clinton withdrew those Army Rangers from Somalia in the first place? Was it because he did not want troops in someone else's war? Where is Hussein Ferrah anyway?

Posted by: anarchistmanifesto at July 29, 2006 12:41 AM

36 One word of advice: do not go to Somalia! The Swedish journalist Martin Adler was assassinated about a month ago. Besides, in a war-torn country like Somalia, you'll need a militia to protect you. Peace out.

Posted by: anarchistmanifesto at July 29, 2006 12:47 AM

37 Hussein Mohamed Farrah - He was in control of southern areas of Mogadishu but on June 6, 2006 his clan fled and the Islamic Court Union took control of all of Mogadishu.

Pussy - just like:

"I mean General Mohamed Farah Adid in Somalia, for example, in 1993, we know for a fact that he dressed up as a woman sometimes."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/09/ltm.15.html



Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at July 29, 2006 01:14 AM

38 Dear Readers

It shame on Eritrean leadership who are trying to instigate a religious war in the horn. They think that the fire only burns Ethiopia. They are mistaken , it will burn them too. It is a great miscaulculation on the part of Eritrean leadership to use the extremests as a vendetta on Ethiopia due to the loss?? of a small plot of land (Badme) in the norther frontiers of the two countries. They have terrebily miscalculated. For now ,the war appeaars to be enevitable,but it remains to be seen who would come out victoriously.

Posted by: tilahun at July 29, 2006 02:09 AM

39 Dear Readers

It shame on Eritrean leadership who are trying to instigate a religious war in the horn. They think that the fire only burns Ethiopia. They are mistaken , it will burn them too. It is a great miscaulculation on the part of Eritrean leadership to use the extremests as a vendetta on Ethiopia due to the loss?? of a small plot of land (Badme) in the norther frontiers of the two countries. They have terrebily miscalculated. For now ,the war appeaars to be enevitable,but it remains to be seen who would come out victoriously.

Posted by: tilahun at July 29, 2006 02:10 AM

40
It is true the brotherly people of Ethiopia and Eritrea have similar mix of Christian and Muslims. Both countries have culture of tolerance and Muslims and Christians co-exist respecting each other. As Ethiopians and Eritreans have common heritage, history will show they will have common destiny.

Though there were wars between Somalia and Ethiopian government, I found Somalis are friendly people much related to Ethiopians and Eritreans. Unfortunately, Somalia has been left alone in anarchy for two decades and became hatching ground of religious terrorist who have shown there capability in conducting regional attacks. The current leader of the group that controls Mogadishu was responsible in blasting two hotels with explosives in Addis Ababa and one in Harar and the other in Dredwa and for death of several civilians. Somalis have the right to be ruled by Sharia if they like and no body has the right to interfere in their destiny , but they should not make a terrorist who does not respect international law their leader. Otherwise thier call of other countres not to interfre in thier affairs will be in vain.

It is surprising to see that the Erterean President Esyas Afeworkie passing the red line in playing with relgious terrorist, though I can understand his contempt to his former allies in Addis Ababa. Is he trying to set Ethiopia in fire?. If yes as I blieve, the sutainibility of Ethiopian opposition groups dependent on handouts from Eritrea will be questionable. Lastly, such type of fire will not stop in Ethiopia before reaching Eritrea.

Peace to the Horn of Africa !

Posted by: Selam at July 29, 2006 03:48 AM

41 Guys,
It should be noted that the desperate move by the Eritrean govt to distabilze Ethiopia is futile.First you have to know that i think most of the Somali people are against any extremist ideologies and the jihadists are getting ground by the assistance they are getting from countries like eritrea and its mad dog leader.
One last thing do you know Ethiopian history???
The Ethiopian lions always unite and defeat their national enemies.

Posted by: ANBESSAW at July 29, 2006 03:55 AM

42 A big danger is lurking at the horn. If the horn falls at the hands of these fanatic Isalmists, so this would be a huge setback for the international community in its campaign against global terrorism. It is not only Ethiopia that suffers badly from the setback but all countries at the horn may fall in anarchy and lawlessness creating a haven for terrorists. Ethiopia is actually not only a Christian country. It is a country of both religions, where people of Christian and Islam religions live peacefully. Ethiopia must be helped in its present military undertakings. It is the only country at the horn that can efficiently struggle and crush fanatic Islamists. The strong bond exiting between Ethiopian moderate Islams and Christians is the best means to make use of in the struggle against the current expansion of Somali terrorists.

Posted by: Franco at July 29, 2006 06:05 AM

43 >>Michael said: Majority of Ethiopian people (more than 60%) are muslims.

I don't know where he got this figure. LoOks to me he just pulled straight out of his rear end.

First I want to point out that Eritreans in general pose as a genuine Ethiopians whenever they think they can tarnish Ethiopia's image - sick but true. Back in the 80s they used to destroy Ethiopian history related books in western university libraries. When cought doing something illegal they claim they are Ethiopian - as sick as it sounds. I couldn't help moving on w/o pointing this out.

back to the topic. I disagreed with the current Ethiopian government on many issued but I never did on the issue of Somalia. I think it is ABSOLUTELY important that Ethiopians actively chase and disrupt ANY form of extreme radical-Islamic government inside somalia or anywhere in the horn for that matter. If the world don't wake up by now, I don't know what its gonna take. The radical Islamists are out for the kill and unless you destroy'em while young, you will end up having another Hezbollah near you in Somalia. Radical Islam is like a virus and it needs a host and the host is the people its hiding in. Looney liberals (I am no conservative btw) think this as public support for the Islamists - I hear this crap on TV as "Hezbollah has support in this and that community - in Lebanon that is. That is NOT a support, it just shows you that the people are CAPTIVES of the freakin Islamists. It is the same thing happening in Somalia. I hear stupid comments as "The ICU has a strong support in Mogadishu etc ..." That is not a support to me. The people have NO choice since they are CAPTIVES and have NO where to turn to if they have an alternative view. What kind of ideology prevents people from watching TV like a very horrible TV show called the world cup?? - its just unbelievable to me!

bottomline Ethiopia needs to be armed (well already has, IMO) and be supported in any way to invade and eliminate the Islamo-facism in Somalia in its infancy. CHRISTIAN Ethiopia (if you have a problem with that tell me when and where you read about muslim Ethiopia in its entire history, Ahmed Gragn? he was DEFETATED ) CANNOT afford to have a fanatic Islam next door with its leaders declaring Jihad every time they take a piss. Besides Islamic terrorism Ethiopia needs to protect its Ogaden region (still claimed by ICU - as pathetic as it may sound ) and make sure that any future Somali govt CLEARLY recognise that. Benjamin Netanyahu once said, "a peace that is not secured is not a peace" Israel had to deal with almost EXACTLY PARALLEL situation where an Islamic fanatic claims an Israeli territory and carries out Terrorist actions and controls an ungoverned land in a country where there is NO effective government- does this ring the bell? Nomatter how much I isagree with its domastic policies of the government in Ethipoia it is absolutely important that people support the Ethiopian government in this effort. Islamo-facism is REAL and people need to wake up and deal with it DECISIVELY!

Posted by: ChristianEthiopia at July 29, 2006 07:14 AM

44 EThiopia it self is problem created by the evil british empire who had deep hatred for Somali Moslems who defeated their slaverey plan for horn of africa til this day Ethiopia can not stand on it own with that their help for cryingoutloud they can not even feed themselves Christian are 20% and no moslem has ever lead this socaled nation does't say something the 80% moslems live in fear they are raped daily they are systimaticly starve, murdrer with the help of the socaled world the Christian world that is and usa happens to be the leader of that world now

Posted by: Abdikarim at July 29, 2006 09:12 AM

45 Did someome say, "Kill all the Somalians"? Hmmm, sounds like a plan!!!

Posted by: pivalleygirl at July 29, 2006 09:42 AM

46 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:00 AM

47 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:01 AM

48 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:01 AM

49 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:01 AM

50 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:01 AM

51 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:01 AM

52 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:01 AM

53 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:02 AM

54 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:02 AM

55 I can't understand how the terrorist Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia who have killed thousands of Ethiopians including women and children for peaceful protest against stealing of their vote can call others terrorist. Time is running out for him and the only way he can stay in power is by telling Ethiopians about the IUC intention of taking their territory. Fortunatly, the Ethiopian people have waken up and would not be fooled this time as he did during the Ethio-Ertirean war. The people of the Horn of Africa are one and we should rise up against tyranny in Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.

Posted by: mesfin kokeb at July 29, 2006 10:02 AM

56 Mesfin Kokeb, you are such an idiot...the PM did not create the IUC to distract you from your traitorous and evil propoganda.

...Just so i can save you the trouble, the IUC wants to recreate an islamic state by taking land from all it's adjacent states, including Kenya...And Ethiopia is the only one standing up to the threat...

Like it or not Jihadist are next door; either you confront them now or you will suffer the consequence later.

Posted by: Charlie ES at July 29, 2006 11:30 AM

57 Fortunatelly, the Ethiopian people and the democratically elected Government do not need anyone's approvel to defend themselves. They know how to defend Ethiopia. They have done it in 1999. They will do it this time again. People with short sight might not see the danger our nation and our continent is exposed to. The Islamic extrimists have posed danger to Ethiopia before. Thanks to the bright minds of its leaders and brave spirit of its sons, they were crushed bigtime.

I do not think it is the right time now to question the legitimacy of Meles's leadership at this crucial time. He and his crew are the only ones capable of averting this danger. Not Hailu Shawel not anybody for that matter. If there is anyone who thinks Ethiopia should not be involved in this conflict, then he must be really naive. The ICU is a threat not only to Ethiopia(christian or muslim), but to the whole world.

Ethiopia will fight them. And, take my word, they will perish.
TEKADE

Posted by: Jiji at July 29, 2006 11:59 AM

58 jesusland joe,

uhmmm...yeah...

You are the ignoramouses that I talked about before..

The Iran-Iraq war was ocurred in the late 70's early 80's...and at that time the US supported Saddam...

EU had nothing to do with it...

Considering how little you know...Please shut the F_ _ k up!

Posted by: sammy at July 29, 2006 04:56 PM

59 "It shame on Eritrean leadership who are trying to instigate a religious war in the horn. They think that the fire only burns Ethiopia. They are mistaken , it will burn them too. It is a great miscaulculation on the part of Eritrean leadership to use the extremests as a vendetta on Ethiopia due to the loss?? of a small plot of land (Badme) in the norther frontiers of the two countries. They have terrebily miscalculated. For now ,the war appeaars to be enevitable,but it remains to be seen who would come out victoriously."

Another ignorant or misleading charge.

First of all, It was Eritrea that sounded the alarm about Islamicist extremists which the Sudanese government of Bashir(which was being accused by the Bush administration of "genocide" against it's own people) was trying to export to Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, Ethiopia back in 1996.
It was about this time when Sudan was hosting various terrrist groups including Osama.

At that time Eritrea was one of the few that was one the so-called frontline.

Second, ethiopia currently supports Eritrean opposition groups which include "Eritrean Islamic jihad, which have close links to al-queda"..so I find it rather dis-ingenious for them to claim Eritrea is "supporting al-queda".

Third, Eritrea is actually the only country in the horn that has tried to creat stability in the horn. Half the Eritrean population is moslem...so it would hardly support something that would engulf them too.

Fourth, Eritrea did not loss "badme"...and international tribunal vindicated Eritea when they said badme was Eritrean. RIGHT NOW, DEMARCATION HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO PROCEED BECAUSE ETHIOPIA REFUSES TO ABIDE BY THE BINDING AGREEMENT, IN CONTRAVENTION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW.

So it is Ethiopia, not Eritrea, which is the source on instability in the horn.

Lastly, what some of you advocate, ethiopia going into somalia, us help etc....has been tried...with great failure. Ethiopia is Somalia's arch enemy...sending them in...would be like sending the Israeli's to Iraq to help pacify the locals.

Posted by: sammy at July 29, 2006 05:21 PM

60 Somalia PM: Iran, Libya Backing Militants
By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN

Updated: 7:28 a.m. ET July 29, 2006
BAIDOA, Somalia - Somalia's prime minister on Saturday accused Egypt, Libya and Iran of providing weapons for Islamic militants who have seized control of much of this country's south.

"Egypt, Libya and Iran, whom we thought were friends, are engaged in fueling the conflict in Somalia by supporting the terrorists," Prime Minister Mohammed Ali Gedi said, citing unnamed sources within his government.


First they accuse Eritrea. Now...they're accusing these countries of supporting these terrorists.

Ethiopia accuses Eritrea of being allied with the Islamicist in a cyncial attempt to get money, weapons and help from the Americans in the "war on terror".

Ethiopia's real interest is not interested in fighting the "war on terror" but in not seeing a strong and unitied Somalia which it sees as being a threat to it.

Posted by: sammy at July 29, 2006 05:44 PM

61 Sammy, you dumb ass, the Europeans were Saddams largest supplier of weapons. How many M-16's etc. did Saddam have, or US made APCs, tanks, vehicles, small arms, or any other military hardware. Tanks and most other vehicles were from Russia, planes from France, etc. So tell me how the US supported Saddam more than the Europeans. Tell me, dickhead.

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 29, 2006 11:48 PM

62 The Somali Islamists adventure, if it succeeds, will not be contained to the Ogaden (Ethiopian land disputed by the Somalis for hundreds of years), their biggest target at present. Once they succeed in Ogaden, with the support of Eritrea, Libya, Egypt and a bunch of other covert al Quaeda fans, the Somalis will march to Addis Ababa looking for the American embassy.
Guess what's going to happen next?
This isn't a false terror alarm. These looneies are capable, determined and fixated to destroy the Western civilization and all christians. Ethiopia will only be the stepping stone.
Shall we continue to wacth the outcome in silence?
You be the judge.
Dani.

Posted by: dani at July 30, 2006 02:22 AM

63 Do you know what has happened to small Eritrea when it invaded Ethiopia in 1998? Do you know what has happened to Somalia in 1964 and 1977 when it invaded Ethiopia? Do you know what has happened to Egypt, Turky in the 19 Century when they invaded Ethiopia (not to mention Italy), the same thing will happen happen to the jihadists and known terrorists. Ethiopia has everything a powerful army and people that can put the enemy in dust bin of history in just three days only. Of all the people, the Eritrean dictator should have known it better. It is very sad Eritrea could one day be also like Somailia, lawless; God forbids

Posted by: Gabi at July 30, 2006 04:26 AM

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Posted by: Jan at July 30, 2006 01:23 PM

65 "jesusland joe",

Your name says it all...you clearly have no clue about history, geopolitics or anything else for that matter so after this I won't bother wasting my time giving you lessons in history, politics or anything else.

First of all, many countries "sold" or backed the Iraqis or the Iranians during the 8 year war. Hell, even Israel(with obvious American approval) supplied weapons to the Iranians.

Having said that it was the Americans that pushed Saddam into starting the war with Iran.

It is also well known(but apparently you must have been in a cave cause you don't seem to know) public knowledge that America allowed Saddam to acquire the same "weapons of mass destruction"(chemical and biological weapons) from US institutions that later on down the road Bush jr felt it necessary to invade the country for. Ironicly his papa was at the helm of the CIA when America was helping saddam.

Not only that, but the US supplied Saddam with Satelite images so Saddam could use his weapons/troops more effectively.

lastly here is an exceprt you can readily find online...

"Starting in 1982 with Iranian success on the battlefield, the U.S. made its backing of Iraq more pronounced, supplying it with intelligence, economic aid, normalizing relations with the government (broken during the 1967 Six-Day War), and also supplying weapons [5]. President Ronald Reagan decided that the United States "could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran", and that the United States "would do whatever was necessary and legal to prevent Iraq from losing the war with Iran."[6] President Reagan formalized this policy by issuing a National Security Decision Directive ("NSDD") to this effect in June, 1982.[7]"

Posted by: sammy at July 30, 2006 08:21 PM

66 Dani,

Get a grip. You sound like those irrational alarmist or fear mongers that base their decision not on rational, objective information but on emotions and fear.

First of all, the so called "dominoe" theory is bunk.

Saudi arabia, Yemen, Sudan All practice some sort of theocartic goverment and have even tried to export their brand of governing to Eritrea, ethiopia etc to nothing to show for it.

So please stop with the hysteria.


"Once they succeed in Ogaden, with the support of Eritrea, Libya, Egypt and a bunch of other covert al Quaeda fans,"

????
Eritrea actually has been and is fighting "al-queda"(primarily it's affiliate "Eritrean Islamic Jihad", which is also supported by Sudan and ethiopia) for a hell of lot longer than america or anyone else.

Look it up!

"Shall we continue to wacth the outcome in silence?"

I find it ironic that while the International community, the US, etc recognised the "transitional Somalian Government"... they couldn't even be bothered to give any form of support to extend it's power to the rest of Somalia and bring some semblence of governance, peace etc, but the minute a group of "Islamicist" does...alarm bells sound all over the place.


Posted by: sammy at July 30, 2006 08:36 PM

67 It´s interesting to see how some so-called "proud Ethiopians" won´t hesitate to sell out their own country to foreign aggressors in Somalia and Eritrea just because of their personal vendettas against the Ethiopian government.

Posted by: realitycheck at August 01, 2006 06:36 AM

68 http://www.kafirnation.com/handout/
Management_of_Savagery.pdf

Learn about vexation and exhaustion operation .
Very intersting book about Islamic imperial jihad methods
keep up the good work
http://www.kafirnation.com/handout/
Management_of_Savagery.pdf

Posted by: kaosktrl at August 01, 2006 10:59 PM

69 Ethiopia thinks she is the superpower if east africa, we defeated ethiopia not once but twice, last time russina and Cuba came to her aid because she was in need of help, i wonder who is gonna save her dis time? ethiopia is more than wlc in somalia they know what's waiting for them, america thought they can dictate somalis what to do? america learned theire lesson well. america she learned from her mistakes she doesn't want go to somalia anymore but guess what she is using dumb ethiopians. there is saying the hard headed never learns, will dragg ethiopian soldiers in da dusty streets of mogadishu,

Posted by: jama at August 01, 2006 11:57 PM

70 Ethiopia thinks she is the superpower if east africa, we defeated ethiopia not once but twice, last time russina and Cuba came to her aid because she was in need of help, i wonder who is gonna save her dis time? ethiopia is more than wlc in somalia they know what's waiting for them, america thought they can dictate somalis what to do? america learned theire lesson well. america she learned from her mistakes she doesn't want go to somalia anymore but guess what she is using dumb ethiopians. there is saying the hard headed never learns, will dragg ethiopian soldiers in da dusty streets of mogadishu,

Posted by: jama at August 01, 2006 11:59 PM

71 Ethiopia thinks she is the superpower if east africa, we defeated ethiopia not once but twice, last time russina and Cuba came to her aid because she was in need of help, i wonder who is gonna save her dis time? ethiopia is more than wlc in somalia they know what's waiting for them, america thought they can dictate somalis what to do? america learned theire lesson well. america she learned from her mistakes she doesn't want go to somalia anymore but guess what she is using dumb ethiopians. there is saying the hard headed never learns, will dragg ethiopian soldiers in da dusty streets of mogadishu,

Posted by: jama at August 02, 2006 12:01 AM

72 Ethiopia has never ever been defeated by invaders throughout its existence as a unified nation. And ,the military might of ethiopia not only can defend the nation but also overwhelmingly crash the combined forces of Eritrea & the rubish UIC.This is not a wish , but something we all will witness in a very near future infront of our eyes.The current leadership has the most sophisticated brains the country ever possessed ,and hopefully the somali issue will be put into a dustpan shortly.

Posted by: ashenafi at August 02, 2006 02:59 AM

73 Ethiopia has never ever been defeated by invaders throughout its existence as a unified nation. And ,the military might of ethiopia not only can defend the nation but also overwhelmingly crash the combined forces of Eritrea & the rubish UIC.This is not a wish , but something we all will witness in a very near future infront of our eyes.The current leadership has the most sophisticated brains the country ever possessed ,and hopefully the somali issue will be put into a dustpan shortly.
haweta

Posted by: ashenafi at August 02, 2006 02:59 AM

74 Ethiopia has never ever been defeated by invaders throughout its existence as a unified nation. And ,the military might of ethiopia not only can defend the nation but also overwhelmingly crash the combined forces of Eritrea & the rubish UIC.This is not a wish , but something we all will witness in a very near future infront of our eyes.The current leadership has the most sophisticated brains the country ever possessed ,and hopefully the somali issue will be put into a dustpan shortly.
haweta

Posted by: ashenafi at August 02, 2006 03:00 AM

75 What the Islamists have to understand is ,they will have an abbreviated life like their father the TALIBAN, cos they are messing with a country which never bowed to aggression before.

Prepare to die terrorists!

Posted by: hiw at August 02, 2006 03:14 AM

76 who ever wants to talk about the beggarland of africa ( ethiopia ) should know ethiopia loses everytime and that with the help of russia , western & american financ and weapons . this time it should have to be hopefully the last time because ethiopia is a land anytime that is going to be naked to those who bring pieace of bread 7 little money for the leaders. learn eritrea is land of christians & moslems & was fighting al quaida when america was supporting osam bin laden til he turned his gun against them.

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