Why The Jawa Report Was Banned in India and Why it Matters

India has banned a number of websites by domain, but has only singled out 17 websites by name, including this one. Among the American websites all are connected in some way to The Jawa Report.

Why did India ban this website? And what is the larger meaning of this action?

The short answer to the first question is that we offended Islamists and India is afraid of its own Muslim citizens. The short answer to the second question is that, sadly, it is increasingly becoming evident that liberty may not be able to exist wherever there is a large population of Muslims.

What, specifically, did we do to offend Islamists and their supporters in the Muslim world?

Some time ago a story began to be circulated in the mainstream press that a detainee's Koran had been put in a toilet at Guantanamo Bay. It later turned out that the story was false.

Nevertheless, the reaction from many in the Muslim world was quite revealing about an alleged 'tiny minority of extremists'. Riots erupted all over the world by people who were offended. Thousands marched, caused property damage, and some were even killed.

Over what? A story about a book being put in a toilet.

We can understand why someone might get offended over their holy book being mistreated. We might get offended if someone did the same to a Bible. But anyone who would engage in violence over such an action has a values system that is not only foreign to us, but also one which is not compatible with liberty.

This reaction, along with the later reaction of many Muslims over cartoons depicting Mohammed, was a clarifying moment for us.

Islam, as understood by many Muslims, is not a tolerant religion.

The very definition of tolerance is to allow that which we do not agree with. The moment Muslims demand that their governments punish those who say, write, or depict things that they find offensive, they reveal their intolerance.

Many people in my experience are intolerant. Intolerance is not a very unique attribute. It is intolerance coupled with threats of violence that makes many Muslims unique in the world. It is also what makes Islam uniquely dangerous among the major religions of the world.

Not only do these intolerant Muslims wish for offensive speech to stop, but they threaten violence upon any government unwilling to censor.

So, our reaction to the overreaction in the Muslim world was to make fun of them by making fun of the Koran flushing story. Oddly, making fun of intolerant people is now considered a form of intolerance by many in the world.

We admit that the humor involved was tasteless. We also admit that we knew that it would offend some. But if you can't legitimately offend people engaging in riots, who advocate criminal penalties for blasphemy, and who wish your destruction, who can you offend?

While the specific reason for India's attempt to ban us was that we were blasphemous, the more general reason was because it feared its own citizens.

India has been taken hostage by its sizeable Muslim population. It is afraid of its own citizens. It fears that if they are exposed to that which is religiously offensive, that violence might erupt. That if the government doesn't do something, then they might just have to do something about the government.

India's banning of this and other websites, then, is completely rational. It is based on the real fear of real people who do real violence. Thus, it is completely understandable.

While we might understand India's reason for banning our website, we certainly don't condone it.

Giving in to violent threats is not, in my book, a winning strategy for defeating the very people who are threatening you. Appeasement only works if your goal is appeasement. If your goal is to drag Muslims who have a 7th century mentality about how the world ought to be ordered into the 21st century, then this is no way to do it.

This is not to say that we don't agree that there might be limits to free speech. Such limits seem legitimate in the context of war, for instance.

However, when one bans speech because it is religiously offensive, then two freedoms are killed at the same time. A nation cannot truly have freedom of religion if that religion is immune from public criticism. A nation cannot truly have freedom of speech if blasphemy becomes a criminal act.

Sadly, there is not a single country in the world where Muslims are a majority that criticisms of Islam are legally tolerated. While Muslims proudly proclaim that they 'tolerate' Chrisianity, they do not mean tolerance in the Western sense. They may 'tolerate' Chrisitians worshipping in their own churches, but the minute that a Christian steps out in public he is unable to accomplish the 'Great Commission' of trying to convert the non-believer into a believer.

Some 'moderate' Muslim countries allow Hindus, Buddhists, and Christians to be converted to whichever religion that they may choose. But once a Muslim, always a Muslim. It is forbidden for any missionary of any faith to try to convert a Muslim.

Islam is a one-way street.

India's actions lead us to suspect that it will not just be Islamic states where religious oppression is the norm, but that any country with a sizeable Muslim minority might also be forced, for the sake of domestic tranquility, to ban blasphemy. And we believe that our fears are founded on more than this one case.

A simple statistical analysis shows that there is a strong inverse correlation between Muslim populations and freedom. What this means is that the more Muslims there are in your country, the more likely it is that your country is repressive. India's actions give us a definite candidate for the causal mechanism underlying the correlation.

There is some good news, though, in those same statistics. Since Geoge W. Bush has been in office, declaring liberty and democracy the common birthright of humanity, Muslim countries are becoming more free. None has fully reached that goal in our understanding of the term and there are some exceptions to the rule, but as a whole they are moving in the right direction.

We hope that the movement to liberalize will continue in the Muslim world.

If Muslim countries are moving in the right direction, liberalizing in ways unimaginable before the Bush administration turned up the heat, it is odd that some non-Muslim countries seem to be moving in the opposite direction while responding to the same pressures.

If India and other countries hope that by banning a handful of websites, or by condemning speech critical of Islam, that it will appease their Muslim populations, they have greatly miscalculated.

What offends Islamists and many Muslims is not what we or others say, it is that they are not in power to stop us from saying it.

The ultimate goal of these people is the creation of a state based on sharia (or Islamic) law. One in which Muslims rule and Christians, Hindus, and Buddhists take a back seat. It is only then, when it is Muslims who do the deciding on what needs to be banned, that they will be happy.

The real gripe Muslims have in non-Muslim countries is about power. They want it, but don't yet have the numbers to exercise it.

India, of all countries, should understand this. Both Pakistan and Bangledesh were states founded because Muslims on the Indian subcontinent refused to be ruled by any other than a Muslim master. Several wars have been fought between India and her Muslim neighbors because of this. Today, a low-level war continues in Indian Kashmir because Muslims refuse to be governed by any country in which they are not a majority. Even when that country is headed by a Muslim, which is the case in India right now, sizeable numbers of Muslims demand more.

India is said to be a secular state with aspirations of greatness. Its actions today show that it is neither completely secular nor ready for its proper place on the world stage.

This is all doubly sad because India is also a natural ally against the cancer of Islamic fundamentalism. It is on the frontline in the war against the global jihadis.

It is India, not the U.S., which shares its bloody borders with the world of Islam. Mumbai should be a reminder to India who its real friends are, and who are its enemies.

The move towards religious censorship by India is a mistake. A nation does not cement its alliances by adopting the values of its enemies and rejecting those of nations willing to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with it against forces which plan its destruction.

Although we, who have always supported India in the past, feel that this action was a slap in the face, we continue to wish her continued progress and prosperity. A wealthy India is an India better able to stay off the attacks of the barbarians at her gates. Those barbarians are our common enemies.

India may have turned its back on us, but we will not be so petty as to completely turn our backs on her.

UPDATE: Apparently, the ban is still in effect.
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The Band of the Banned
(Despite the MSM getting a lot of our urls wrong):

*Exposing the Leftz (aka, OpiniPundit)
*The Pirate's Cove
*Merri Musings (Indian government banned her old website, now abandond--also, the lovely bride of The Jawa Report's Editor-in-Chief, Vinnie)
*Macker
*Princess Kimberly (now defunct)
*Editors in Pajamas
*Commonfolk Using Commonsense (their old website banned)
*My Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

Via Macker, this is alleged to be a scanned copy the order by the Indian government to censor our websites. Notice there are 17, rather than the 11 as reported in the media. Also, notice that the urls are correct in the document, it appears that the MSM got the urls wrong.

UPDATE: Who will stand in solidarity with The Jawa Report and the Band of the Banned?
Please, let us know if you stand with us and against India caving to Islamist threats by leaving a comment if you are a reader or linking this post if you are a blogger. Trackbacks are not working, so please e-mail me.

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Indians against India's pathetic attempt at outlawing blasphemous websites: Who will stand with us?

Posted by: Rusty at 11:35 PM

Comments

1 I just posted many of the same sentiments only not nearly as well, nicely done.

Posted by: traderrob at July 19, 2006 07:58 PM

2 Islam is not compatible with western democratic values. It's that simple. What is it going to take for you Lefties to realize that? And by the time you do do realize it, it'll be too late. They'll become the voting block from HELL, and you Libs will ESPECIALLY rue that day, cause Islam makes Pat Robertson look like Frank Zappa in comparison. It's going to happen, dudes. Wake the fuck up. It's not an IF, it's a WHEN. And when it does happen, you're going to remember fondly the Pat Robertson of your youth as some kind of grand ol statesman-- kinda like you remember Reagan now because you hate Bush so much? Like that, but a lot WORSE.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 19, 2006 08:09 PM

3 Did somebody here piss off the Hindi's by insulting the God Shiva? Come on! Fess up! Was it you maxie?

Shiva's a cool God! Got Allah and his boy Mo outclassed big time! And he can dance too!

Posted by: hondo at July 19, 2006 08:30 PM

4 Rusty:
The way I read the original fax, my site's name is not misspelled.

Posted by: Macker at July 19, 2006 08:35 PM

5 Most Indian newspapers have reported the Ban. They have also included the urls of the banned sites. Thats how I reached here like many others would have.

This Ban is a free publicity campaign for you. Enjoy :)

Posted by: Sandeep at July 19, 2006 08:52 PM

6 I have been part of groups that have been banned from better places than India!

Posted by: Leatherneck at July 19, 2006 09:00 PM

7 Haven't mastered the track back from Yahoo yet. But I'm in. www.cheatermilllane.com

Posted by: Cmunk at July 19, 2006 09:09 PM

8 BAH, trackbacks are hosed again, I think.

Posted by: Beth at July 19, 2006 09:12 PM

9 My half-assed t/b:
http://bamapachyderm.com/archives/2006/07/19/banned-in-india/

Posted by: Beth at July 19, 2006 09:14 PM

10 Hey, I'm with you. You're on my list of daily "must reads". They are going to miss you there and it isn't going to help!

Posted by: Terri at July 19, 2006 09:14 PM

11 Rusty, you use your mouth better'n a 20 dollar whore. Yes sir.

Posted by: Cmunk at July 19, 2006 09:17 PM

12 A mention in the WSJ!! Dang, how do I get banned?!?

Posted by: Danny Carlton at July 19, 2006 09:38 PM

13 In recent elections in India, socialist/left leaning parties have gained seats, and we all know leftist parties are quite accomodating to Islam.

Posted by: Mathewk at July 19, 2006 09:40 PM

14 Way to go, Rusty! Great post.

I think you should be the one to write the Wikipedia entry List of Sites Banned: http://censorship.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_sites_banned

Posted by: William Teach at July 19, 2006 09:45 PM

15 And US companies continue investing in human resources in this place. Amazing.

Posted by: Ernie Oporto at July 19, 2006 09:46 PM

16 Way to go, Rusty! Great post.

I think you should be the one to write the Wikipedia entry List of Sites Banned: http://censorship.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_sites_banned

Posted by: William Teach at July 19, 2006 09:48 PM

17 I (nor my blog) have anything to fear from the Indian Firewall.

Perhaps this is why so many of their citizens are illiterate. Just another attempt to prevent Muslim rage. (Hint, stop F*cking with the net and teach your kids how to read.)

Posted by: Fred Fry at July 19, 2006 09:50 PM

18 I'm just pissed that my URL didn't make it into the WSJ article. Waaaah!

Posted by: Beth at July 19, 2006 10:07 PM

19 Over what? A story about a book being put in a toilet.

Yanno, I wonder if we should sue Newsweek for starting a bull$hit rumor that affects our blogs and therefore, our crazy blog money? ;-P

Posted by: Beth at July 19, 2006 10:10 PM

20 Hell, you know I like a good fight.

Posted by: dick at July 19, 2006 10:21 PM

21 This is a country that gives more protection to animals then they do people

Posted by: sandpiper at July 19, 2006 10:31 PM

22 Hi there,

For whatever it's worth, I'll stand by you. Your commentary on the situation is excellent.

Posted by: Zelda at July 19, 2006 10:45 PM

23 Beth,

You make crazy blog money? I still can't figure out when these checks are supposed to come our way. I have been wearing my brown shirt now for seven straight weeks and no check has been in the mail. So add Karl Rove to your Newsweek suit for me if you will.

Posted by: Chad Evans at July 19, 2006 10:52 PM

24 I have learned more about Islam and its creeping influence and insidious beliefs from here than from any other website.

I think you guys here speak the truth. Its ludicrous that you are labeled as a hate site and banned by India. BelchSpeak will maintain its blogroll with you. And as always, you guys will be at the top of my myyahoo.com homepage.

Posted by: BelchSpeak at July 19, 2006 11:22 PM

25 I'll stand up for freedom:

http://www.seawitch.observationdeck.org/2006/07/19/banned/

Posted by: seawitch at July 19, 2006 11:23 PM

26 I blogged you here:
http://www.belch.com/~blog/2006/07/20/india-outlaws-criticism-of-islam-bans-bloggers/

Posted by: BelchSpeak at July 19, 2006 11:39 PM

27 i agree with u...only partly.but dude we got a country to run...and if we need to give in to these fundamentals sometimes,we'll do tht...but when we want to slap them we will do tht also.look at the 2 states tht got its partition from india...they're in abysmall state...so we wait..and watch them decay themselves....whts wrong with tht.Atleast we dont go to war with another country for oil and dole out crap to its citizens!!
lets wait and watch the scene behind the ban..the mumbai blasts have got a reaction from the goverment....wait and watch...whts this nonsense abt turning ur backs???u back pakistan which is the base for islamic terrorist activity.....u already are against us in a way.

Posted by: shankar at July 20, 2006 12:02 AM

28 The ban's actually had an opposite impact. Now everybody wants to check out these sites and many will read and agree with what you are saying. So I think that we should let gevernments ban whatever they want to. This way we will get to know about things they don't want us to know...

Posted by: HP at July 20, 2006 12:55 AM

29 The problem with India right now is that it is not yet a fully 'mature' democracy. In many ways people still vote according to religious, ethnic, or even 'caste' lines. For this reason, the ruling parties govern for those who elected them rather than for the people as a whole. In essence they remain politicians instead of transitioning to statesman once they enter office. There are exceptions, but by and large this is why you get seemingly illiberal occurences such as the banning of books, blogs, etc.

Posted by: arjun at July 20, 2006 01:09 AM

30 I suck.

I wanna be banned too.

Posted by: SondraK at July 20, 2006 02:14 AM

31 Whoo! Number two on the list! Re: Shankar's idea of letting Pakistan and Bangladesh decay - don't forget about Afghanistan. The Taliban took over there and let Al Qaeda have free reign, then almost 3000 people died in 90 minutes on American soil. Encouraging these and any muslim cultures to reach an Age of Enlightenment similar to Christianity's history is, so far, the only way to bring about healthy democracies. Christianity is still dealing with the aftermath 400 years later, but at least the Pope is not calling up christian soldiers for another crusade against women wearing miniskirts in church.

Posted by: joeschmo1of3 at July 20, 2006 02:15 AM

32 Rusty... brilliant article... I stand with you and will flesh out my link when I have more time to read your posting again while relaxing with some fine Negrita. Nothing like some rum to bring out the muse...
Jokes aside... this is spot on and unfortunately so many in the world are oblivious to the growing muslim danger...

Cheers
Rob

Posted by: RobC at July 20, 2006 03:13 AM

33 There is no place for any censorship in a free and democratic country - but of course India is not free and democratic - it might be the "world's largest democracy" but the democracy is a thin veneer across modern India.

It seems crazy that this site has been blocked - did they block the *real hate sites* which preach violent jihad and anti-semiticism? Or just apply a media-friendly band-aid to make everyone think they were on top of the problem?

By the way - the dalistan.org site that is blocked fights for the rights of lower-caste hindus the "dalits" (which used to be called "untouchables") and organises resistance to the Brahmin hegemony in India.

Dalit politicians have had some notable success in India - mostly because there are so many poor Dalits - and this website blocking is a means of repressing debate and free speech, with the effect of suppressing the Dalit opposition - dalitstan is NOT an islamic website and is NOT a terrorist organisation - but they do oppose the Indian government.

In short India are behaving a lot like many other countries - using the excuse of the "war on terror" to crackdown on political opposition and free speech.

Posted by: drk at July 20, 2006 03:48 AM

34 Erm, the publicity of the ban will be a temporary bounce, and this at a time when we should be renewing relations with Hindis against the Islamic assault. They've been miffed at our dealing with the Pakis and refusal of calling these bomb attacks "acts of terror". Condi took care of that commeting on Mumbai. They also seem to have some inferiority complex thing going on manifesting as a desire to *not* appear to be doing the USAs bidding, a leftover from British rule I suppose. A campaign to form blogging alliances with some Hindi bloggers in India would fit the bill...

Posted by: Khepri at July 20, 2006 03:48 AM

35 WTF! How come you guys get banned and a guy with an e-mail ALLAH SUCKS BALLS gets to stay?

The filthy report is way more offensive to muslims. Not sure I can be any more offensive.

Posted by: FILTHY ALLAH at July 20, 2006 05:31 AM

36 Islam is not compatible with western democratic values. It's that simple.

So true Carlos, which is why lefturds have hitched their wagon to it; they see that pure Communist totalitarianism no longer stands a chance of winning, so they are willing to side with islamofascism, which shares many of the same tenets as Communism.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 20, 2006 06:05 AM

37 Templar Times is with ya! . . .for what that's worth, anyway ^_^!

Posted by: Crusader Coyote at July 20, 2006 07:12 AM

38 You usually get banned when you are speaking truths. Keep speaking.

Posted by: MIss-Underestimated at July 20, 2006 07:34 AM

39 Islam MUST BE DESTROYED!!!

Posted by: DelendaEstIslam at July 20, 2006 08:28 AM

40 Great stuff!

Posted by: Vulturo at July 20, 2006 08:51 AM

41 Great entry. Linking it.

Posted by: Tim at July 20, 2006 09:41 AM

42 Rusty...what a well written, excellent article. The Cookshack stands with you and I will doo whatever I can to address this situation...hell...I won't cook nuthin fer em...& if'n I do...it'll be their last meal..hehehehe....Cookie

Posted by: Cookie at July 20, 2006 10:12 AM

43 By the way, jawa.mu.nu, jawareport.mu.nu, and mypetjava.mu.nu all point here now. :)

Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 20, 2006 10:43 AM

44 I'm going to be linking this as soon as my computer quits acting up. Somebody is obviously doing something right to get banned. So - congratulations!

Posted by: beth at July 20, 2006 10:45 AM

45 I've visited Jawa Report only a couple of times, via links. Just too many sites,and not enough time.
But I choose my friends not only on the basis of who their other friends are, but also on the basis of their enemies. You choose your enemies well.
This Old War Dog has added you to my favorites list and will be visiting on a regualr basis.

Posted by: Rurik at July 20, 2006 10:55 AM

46 I've visited Jawa Report only a couple of times, via links. Just too many sites,and not enough time.
But I choose my friends not only on the basis of who their other friends are, but also on the basis of their enemies. You choose your enemies well.
This Old War Dog has added you to my favorites list and will be visiting on a regualr basis.

Posted by: Rurik at July 20, 2006 10:57 AM

47 I've visited Jawa Report only a couple of times, via links. Just too many sites,and not enough time.
But I choose my friends not only on the basis of who their other friends are, but also on the basis of their enemies. You choose your enemies well.
This Old War Dog has added you to my favorites list and will be visiting on a regualr basis.

Posted by: Rurik at July 20, 2006 10:57 AM

48 Just heard of this via the Cagey Mind. I'm with you guys.

Posted by: Nightfly at July 20, 2006 12:05 PM

49 I am with the band of the banned. Remember, Islam is only a religion of peace if you belong to it. Otherwise you must convert or be killed.

When will we wise up and stop stuffing Korans in the toilet and start stuffing the terrorists in them instead?

I am locked, cocked, and ready to rock..

Big Dog

Posted by: Big Dog at July 20, 2006 12:10 PM

50 I Gladly Stand with you.

My post on the subject

http://morningcoffee.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/india-bans-blogs/

Posted by: Darrell at July 20, 2006 12:47 PM

51 Just posted at my place, after having heard of your post at Kim's place.

Agreed, giving in to intolerance and hate is not a good way to deal with it.

Posted by: Firehand at July 20, 2006 01:02 PM

52 Well written response to the ban. If nothing else the ban is bringing you a lot of traffic from the Indian population and others.

Its pretty sad the way the current government (read Congress) treats the muslim population in India. They are treated like a vote bank, cater to their religious bigotry and ignore their poor living conditions. It's much easier to ban a book, movie, websites than to do something about the poor conditions of their lives. The attitude of this Indian government is killing India and is going to ultimately breed more hatred targeting the muslim population within India thereby also killing the muslims. It's easy to blame Modi when something like what happened in Gujurat occurs, but to understand where that hatred for the muslims comes from you have to read some history. And history shows that such bans will only feed more hatred.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Vinay at July 20, 2006 01:36 PM

53 Many people in my experience are intolerant. Intolerance is not a very unique attribute. It is intolerance coupled with threats of violence that makes many Muslims unique in the world. It is also what makes Islam uniquely dangerous among the major religions of the world... Not only do these intolerant Muslims wish for offensive speech to stop, but they threaten violence upon any government unwilling to censor.

This is just a stunning statement, especially coming from you. I wonder what your reaction was when the Al Jazeera news network was bombed by the U.S. military in April, 2003. Or, your reaction to the revelation that President Bush had expressed a thuggish desire to take out Al Jazeera? I'm guessing you thought this a legitimate example of (violent) censorship, putting you square against any meaningful concept of liberty.

Forgetting the gross inaccuracies of your post for the moment, how the hell can we even begin to compare the targeting of a legitimate news organization with the banning of a few blogs?

The solemn tone of your post aside, you are just not a serious thinker about any of this. Worse, you are only committed to liberty when its invocation gives you political cover, and it is sad to consider the damage you are causing.

Posted by: Professor Peter von Nostrand at July 20, 2006 03:12 PM

54 This is not to say that we don't agree that there might be limits to free speech. Such limits seem legitimate in the context of war, for instance.I, for one, consider any enemy of the U.S. a legitimate target, media or not, in war.

I am not neutral in our wars.

Posted by: RS at July 20, 2006 03:20 PM

55 Count me in. Blogged at The Band of the Banned.

Posted by: Damien at July 20, 2006 03:50 PM

56 Pixy -

You are the SHIZZLE, G!

Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at July 20, 2006 04:03 PM

57 Dear Dr. Shackleford:

Your questions were: "Why did India ban this website? And what is the larger meaning of this action?"

If I were to try to answer these questions, one thing I would do would be to hunt for the Indian government's own statements explaining why it is banning these sites, and why now. It would be helpful also to know whether any individual Indian states have banned these or other sites. Perhaps there is an article in the Indian equivalent of Time or Newsweek that gives an overview of the censorship apparatus. I remember that recently several Indian states banned the movie "The Da Vinci Code."

You have provided many helpful links on your pages. Links to official or semi-official Indian pages on reasons for the censorship would make the page even more useful. If I missed such a link in all the text above, please remind me of it.

Posted by: Clark W at July 20, 2006 04:39 PM

58 im with you guys!..our site is banned as well. they branded us 'hindu extremist'.This ban shit sucks!
we are creating new ones anywayz... Fightin till persians and pakis are outta ma country!

Posted by: RSS Indian master at July 20, 2006 04:51 PM

59 Professor Nostrill;

No one ever accused Al Jazera of being a legitimate news outlet... There are little more than an outlet of Bin Laden Videos.

Have a Nice day

Posted by: darrell at July 20, 2006 05:16 PM

60 Rusty:

Did you notice that their Ministry of Communications and Information Technology issued the order to block your websites only two days after the Bombay (Mumbai) terrorist attacks?

Quite the coincidence. I think you're right about the Indian government being afraid of their muslims. A muslim PM isn't helping matters.

And here I had hopes that India would become a force for the cultural sociopaths of islam to reckon with. For a country that only recently won independence from a benign colonial power like Britain, they sure are eager to reenter dhimmitude under the islamopaths.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 20, 2006 05:36 PM

61 Rusty:

Did you notice that their Ministry of Communications and Information Technology issued the order to block your websites only two days after the Bombay (Mumbai) terrorist attacks?

Quite the coincidence. I think you're right about the Indian government being afraid of their muslims. A muslim PM isn't helping matters.

And here I had hopes that India would become a force for the cultural sociopaths of islam to reckon with. For a country that only recently won independence from a benign colonial power like Britain, they sure are eager to reenter dhimmitude under the islamopaths.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 20, 2006 05:36 PM

62 Sorry about the multiple posts. I got a hanging screen and tried to exit. When I came back to type the comment over again I found all these duplicates.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 20, 2006 05:42 PM

63 hey guys....i think few of your blogs are banned in u.k as well..'islam' cant be opend in u.k...

Posted by: jome at July 20, 2006 06:17 PM

64 Perfessor Nostrum:

How can we take YOU seriously when you equate islam's 1400 year history of genocide, plunder, racism, misogyny, homophobia, slavery, xenophobia, and uparalleled intolerance with the destruction of a single al jazeera facility? (Al jazeera "network" my eye. Even the muslims lie less blatantly than you do.)

Al jazeera is a legitimate news organization like "The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion" is a legitimate Jewish text. Next you'll tell us that the Middle East Studies Association practices legitimate scholarship, and that our university system is staffed by America's best and brightest. Snort!

As a professor, you help to impose speech codes that stifle facts and opinions you dislike, so spare us your hypocrisy about liberty. Liberty is a one way street for sophists like you.

If you admire islam so much, I suggest you show your solidarity and convert to the "religion of peace." A word of warning: Just because they're the enemies of your enemies (free republics,) doesn't make them your friends, comrade. They cant wait to saw your head off.

I'm sure you are a real professor. Nobody else could be such a self-loathing, doctrinaire simpleton. Save your lies for your students. You don't have a captive audience here, Ward Churchill Jr.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 20, 2006 06:20 PM

65 Perfessor Nostrum:

How can we take YOU seriously when you equate islam's 1400 year history of genocide, plunder, racism, misogyny, homophobia, slavery, xenophobia, and uparalleled intolerance with the destruction of a single al jazeera facility? (Al jazeera "network" my eye. Even the muslims lie less blatantly than you do.)

Al jazeera is a legitimate news organization like "The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion" is a legitimate Jewish text. Next you'll tell us that the Middle East Studies Association practices legitimate scholarship, and that our university system is staffed by America's best and brightest. Snort!

As a professor, you help to impose speech codes that stifle facts and opinions you dislike, so spare us your hypocrisy about liberty. Liberty is a one way street for sophists like you.

If you admire islam so much, I suggest you show your solidarity and convert to the "religion of peace." A word of warning: Just because they're the enemies of your enemies (free republics,) doesn't make them your friends, comrade. They cant wait to saw your head off.

I'm sure you are a real professor. Nobody else could be such a self-loathing, doctrinaire simpleton. Save your lies for your students. You don't have a captive audience here, Ward Churchill Jr.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 20, 2006 06:22 PM

66 Perfessor Nostrum:

How can we take YOU seriously when you equate islam's 1400 year history of genocide, plunder, racism, misogyny, homophobia, slavery, xenophobia, and uparalleled intolerance with the destruction of a single al jazeera facility? (Al jazeera "network" my eye. Even the muslims lie less blatantly than you do.)

Al jazeera is a legitimate news organization like "The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion" is a legitimate Jewish text. Next you'll tell us that the Middle East Studies Association practices legitimate scholarship, and that our university system is staffed by America's best and brightest. Snort!

As a professor, you help to impose speech codes that stifle facts and opinions you dislike, so spare us your hypocrisy about liberty. Liberty is a one way street for sophists like you.

If you admire islam so much, I suggest you show your solidarity and convert to the "religion of peace." A word of warning: Just because they're the enemies of your enemies (free republics,) doesn't make them your friends, comrade. They cant wait to saw your head off.

I'm sure you are a real professor. Nobody else could be such a self-loathing, doctrinaire simpleton. Save your lies for your students. You don't have a captive audience here, Ward Churchill Jr.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 20, 2006 06:22 PM

67 Sorry again. I must be having a problem with my computer, or more likely, (sucks) Cox Cable. Everytime I try to post a comment I get a hanging screen. When I log off the internet to escape, I come back to multiple entries. I'll only hit the post tab once, this time. Then I'll log off and back on. (Sigh.)

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 20, 2006 06:28 PM

68 Great post on the ban by India! Combs Spouts Off stands with you:

Banned in India

Posted by: Richard G. Combs at July 20, 2006 06:51 PM

69 Drk is a jackass. Dalitstan.org is a website run by Pakistanis and has been around for ages. Brahmin hegemony my ass, the whole bloody Indian political power structure is full of the so called other castes or whatever. So much for knowing what goes on in India. The original poster who started this blog has got it right, the Indian Govt reacted in a fit of dhimmitude and banned this blog out of fear and muslim pandering. For those who follow such things, the same Indian Govt also was amongst the first worldwide to ban Salman Rushdies satanic verses ..it is a common perception in Inda that the Hindu majority has been held hostage by a bunch of primeval Muslim politicians and their followers, and the pandering to their interests. This in turn has hardened even the earlier mostly pacificist Hindu community to support hardline groups.
All in all, keep up the good fight and do what it takes to make your point of view heard. We Indians have become dhimmis thanks to decades of conscious manipulation by our guardians of public morality- efforts like yours wake us up and slap us out of our torpour.
And Drk, if you are reading this- as regards your comments about democracy & Indians- most cheerfully, up yours!

Sincerely
Akash


Posted by: Akash at July 20, 2006 08:20 PM

70 Love the way Indians talk. Most cheerfully, up yours! Great, absolutely great. Way to go.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 20, 2006 09:22 PM

71 Clark W Griswald?

Posted by: Howie at July 20, 2006 09:49 PM

72 I certainly support free speech and the continued fight against global jihad.

As a student studying in Spain in 2002, the anti-semitism was already evident.

It is truly World War III at our doorstep.

"Ramblings of A Misguided Blonde" supports you!

Posted by: Lindsey at July 20, 2006 10:24 PM

73 well im here because u got banned. talk about free publicity, eh?
this ban so weird its kind of funny. how one democratic country can do this is beyond me.
maybe this is why india never gets real world support when fighting for her own rights in the face of terror? they're not assertive enough. wat other country in the world would react in the ways india has for so long to obvious hostility? there is a limit to tolerance of your own ppl dying.
& i agree with akash-ive heard the same story from close family (and they're not crazy).
india has often caused the majority of the country to lose freedoms due to a few because the country's either afraid (AFRAID) of a minority of its citizens, or (often) sucking up to them for votes. nasty politicians. what a shame
ps: george bush bringing freedom and democracy...maybe not quite yet :D
pps: hindU its hindU...not hindi, thank u

Posted by: me at July 21, 2006 12:56 AM

74 well im here because u got banned. talk about free publicity, eh?
this ban so weird its kind of funny. how one democratic country can do this is beyond me.
maybe this is why india never gets real world support when fighting for her own rights in the face of terror? they're not assertive enough. wat other country in the world would react in the ways india has for so long to obvious hostility? there is a limit to tolerance of your own ppl dying.
& i agree with akash-ive heard the same story from close family (and they're not crazy).
india has often caused the majority of the country to lose freedoms due to a few because the country's either afraid (AFRAID) of a minority of its citizens, or (often) sucking up to them for votes. nasty politicians. what a shame
ps: george bush bringing freedom and democracy...maybe not quite yet :D
pps: hindU its hindU...not hindi, thank u

Posted by: me at July 21, 2006 12:56 AM

75 well im here because u got banned. talk about free publicity.
this ban so weird its kind of funny. how one democratic country can do this is beyond me.
maybe this is why india never gets real world support when fighting for her own rights in the face of terror? they're not assertive enough. wat other country in the world would react in the ways india has for so long to obvious hostility?
i agree with akash-ive heard the same story from close family (and they're not crazy).
india has often caused the majority of the country to lose freedoms due to a few because the country's either afraid (AFRAID) of a minority of its citizens, or sucking up to them for votes. nasty politicians. what a shame
ps: george bush bringing freedom and democracy...not quite:D
pps: hindU its hindU...not hindi thank u

Posted by: me at July 21, 2006 12:57 AM

76 You have got it wrong!
Your analysis of reasons of India's Ban on your and more websites is wrong. The real reason why this ban is in place is DEMOCRACY(!). Can you believe it? YES, DEMOCRACY in which each vote counts.DEMOCRACY, twisted by the nut-headed politicians of India!
It is not the fear that normal life in India will be disrupted, but it the greed of sticking to power by hook or crook.
In India, although Muslims are a minority, they form a solid vote bank of almost 12%. 12% votes can turn any political party's fortune and hence each and every party (Like Congress(I),Communists CPI/CPM,Samajwadi Party etc.) except a few pro-hindu parties (like BJP) are trying to woo the Muslims by doing all sorts of sh*t-licking for Muslims. This has been happening since India's independence.
The tragedy is that the majority Hindu vote is always split between various parties.
US of A or any democratic nation for that matter, will also become hostage of Muslims if their number grows beyond say 10% of the total vote.
In India, there is a "psudo-secularism" which means that the so called secular parties always appease Muslims in one way or the other and try to grab their vote by enacting like the only saviours of Muslims.
This will go on till this vote-bank politics remains in India and the day is not far when India will be run according to sharia, the law of Islam.

Posted by: INDIAN at July 21, 2006 07:11 AM

77 Very well-said! I'll stand with you (you guys get ALL the fatwas, too).

And Indian, that's the point! The politicians are AFRAID of the Muslims in India.

Posted by: Ogre at July 21, 2006 07:54 AM

78 Yeah the indian govenrnment has sunk quite a bit now if the muslim minority pressure groups were the ones demanding these sites banned WHERE THE F"@K do they get off. India has freedom of speech and whatever problem they have is their own personal one, but demanding a government to deprive them from what could be considered enlightening material(for them) they also deprive the hindus that are also affected by this.

Now if the indian government or parties did this as a preemptive measure or even a block vote gathering initiative (INDIAN's theory has logical credibility) the indian people are being played either way.

india has been through a fair bit of islamic fundamentalist tragedies in the past and the indian people do have balls, and the aftermaath to the mumbai bombing is testament to this.

I say you got it wrong and fear has nothing to do with it, but you have my pledge of solidarity for what its worth.

Posted by: Hindu_geezer at July 21, 2006 06:32 PM

79 Indian government action is pathetic. Ruled by deaf and dumb , brain dead idiots.
They are scared of Islamic rioters.

They are harassing Hindus. Majority population is under dictator.
Blogger should free Hindus from brain dead dicator of india.

Posted by: Narang at July 21, 2006 10:22 PM

80 India is a Dhimmi state ruled by Islamofascists and Communists. We Hindus have been its victims for 59 years now.

Laws in India are skewed to help Muslims. For example, Hindus are not allowed to run their own schools and colleges while Muslims get subsidies to run Madrasas. Revenue from Hindu temples which get large donations is appropriated by the government. Haj pilgrim to Mecca is subsidized by the Indian government.

India was the first to ban Salman Rushdie's book in 1989. A large part of India was cut off and made into Islamofascist Republic of Pukistan in order to appease the Muslims.

The problem is that Americans support the Islamofascists and any Hindu who calls for equality is branded a Hindu fundamentalist. The Americans are led by The New York Times. A female called Amy Waldman leads the pack and reading her shallow articles, it is clear that it is not merit that got her the job. I don't want to state the details here, but it is clear to me what such females do to get these jobs and further their careers.

Posted by: Indian in USA at July 22, 2006 07:06 AM

81 Yeah, keep spreading hatred. That's all this site is good for.

Posted by: W. at July 22, 2006 04:26 PM

82 W:

Yeah, keep spreading mindless hypocrisy. That's all buffoons like you are good for.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 22, 2006 08:04 PM

83 W:

Yeah, keep spreading mindless hypocrisy. That's all buffoons like you are good for.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 22, 2006 08:04 PM

84 W:

Yeah, keep spreading mindless hypocrisy. That's all buffoons like you are good for.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 22, 2006 08:06 PM

85 W:

Yeah, keep spreading mindless hypocrisy. That's all buffoons like you are good for.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 22, 2006 08:06 PM

86 W:

Yeah, keep spreading mindless hypocrisy. That's all buffoons like you are good for.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 22, 2006 08:06 PM

87 Nice post. The ban is a typical incompetent reaction from the Indian bureaucracy and the Congress Party (esp Gandhi family), which is responsible for 50 years of quasi-communism that has kept India poor.

But for whatever its worth, I\'d never have visited your blog but for the ban. Keep on posting

Posted by: Unknown Indian at July 23, 2006 11:42 AM

88 Good publicity for Jawa and its what prompted me to visit this site. Not suprised by the Indian governments reaction. Muslims generally know that if they shout enough than they will get concession from non-muslims. Mohammed is the empeoror with no clothes, he married a six year old but you canīt call him a pedophile. He was a typical war-lord, a theif and a rapist. Osama bin Laden has more principles than the "profit" Mohammed. Sorry Pakistani and Bangladeshi but you have been duped by a pedophile, sorry India you have partitioned by a pedophile. Europe might go the same way civil war and partition. But I am optimistic Islam will vanish.

Posted by: V Krishna at July 23, 2006 10:16 PM

89 Gagging someone directly correlates to the lack of collective intellectual responsibility... and banning something on the internet is, really, an exercise in futility.
I did not know the existence of your blog or your crusade against blasphemy and i must thank the Indian government for enlightening me. But just to update you about inaccessible news, the ban brought bloggers from India together to ask for a statement explaining the reasons for the same under the Right to information act and the IB ministry is in a soup.. yay
However, at the same time, the reasons for US war expeditions continue to remain dubious which also makes it one of the biggest perpetrators of Human Rights.

Also, why does US continue supplying weapons to Pakistan, a military dictatorship and the favorite get-together place for terrorsists. Bummer

Posted by: Khushboo at July 24, 2006 02:33 AM

90 This Indian Government is timid and averse to criticism. It cant stand staraight without support and can not even defend that this all going in the information network is not of its own creation.even if it feels that these blogs are wrong or right, why it is taking onus on self to be responsible of it!...back in hyderabad, one imam made a Fatwa that the national song be banned in schools because it worships motherland India!!! and it did nothing...Hindus has been tolerant for years, centuries...but we have seen it during independence how bloody can it get dealing with timidness..you know, i think if we dont stop licking 'em, there is going to be a civil war that would either devide india or make it go down the spiral of ultimate poverty and internal conflicts...we should understand that you can not suffocate a majority population by tactics..its gonna blow up and what a storm will it be when that first breath of air will be taken by the suffocated and silent population..hindus dont like to fight, they like to be stoic and suffer in silence...and find peace in inner self..but can not be sustained..the generosity can not be sustained beyond a point...so lets not have this majority turn into a maddening mob and angry directionless river...lets treat it heavyhandedly and come down heavily on these anti national anti peace anti world anti diversity anti development forces. Indian Muslim majority is not bad..they understand it..they live in threat of turning these violent acts into interpretation of muslim majority responsible for this bloodshed..worst is they cant raise their liberal voices...

my country is going down if it doesnt act now!

The most heart breaking truth is US turning its back on US while camping itself in luxary in Pakistan...

sad sad sad for the whole world..every good global citizen is under threat..

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