American Hostage Jill Carroll Free (Updated)

American journalist Jill Carroll has been freed by her captors. This post will be updated throughout the day. Scroll through for updates.

UPDATE: Jill Carroll video interview here. Hat tip: Allah

Another update: The terrorists of 'The Revenge Brigades' have released a video shot just prior to Jill Carroll's release. You can see the raw video here. A more detailed report and images from the new Jill Carroll video is here. In it Jill Carroll seems more than eager to give the 'correct' answers asked by her captors. It's quite sickening some of the answers she gives, but understandable under the circumstances. But, before you accuse Jill of being a victim of Stockholm Syndrome, keep in mind that she was under duress.

Jill Carroll had been held hostage for nearly three months by a terrorist organization calling itself 'The Revenge Brigades'. The group killed her translator, but Carroll's driver escapted. The group had demanded the release of all female Iraqi prisoners or they would execute Carroll, but let several deadlines pass & it was never clear just how serious the threats were.

Contrary to media reports, a group calling itself 'The Revenge Brigades' had been involved in kidnappings prior to Jill Carroll. A group with the same name held an Iraqi born Christian named Minas Ibrahim al-Yusufi, who had Swedish citizenship, hostage for some months. The group initially threatened to behead him, released a hostage video, and then, like Jill Carroll, he was released unharmed. At the time, rumor was that a ransom had been paid.

This demand, along with the timing , had led to speculation that The Islamic Army in Iraq was somehow involved in Jill Carroll's kidnapping. The Islamic Army in Iraq is one of the main terror organizations in Iraq and has been involved in several high profile kidnappings and routinely murders hostages. The group has also been linked to the kidnapping of four Western activists, one of whom--American Tom Fox--was found murdered on the streets of Baghdad. The remaing three were rescued by Coalition forces.

Several videos had been released by the terror organization showing Ms. Carroll. In the first hostage video, The Revenge Brigades threatened to murder Jill Carroll. In the second hostage video, Jill Carroll seemed to be under duress and could be seen crying. In the final short video, Jill Carroll seemed to be well and in good spirits.

For more information on the Jill Carroll hostage crisis please see our archive devoted exclusively to Jill Carroll. For more information on other hostages in Iraq, please see our extensive hostage archive.

AP:


"I was treated well, but I don't know why I was kidnapped," Carroll said in a brief interview on Baghdad television.

Even though the group threatened twice to kill her in videotapes, Carroll said, "They never hit me. They never said they would hit me."

She was wearing a light green Islamic headscarf, a gray Arabic robe and looked well.

"Obviously, I want to be with my family," she could be heard to say under the Arabic voiceover.

"I'm just happy to be free. I want to be with my family.

Yesterday, Jill Carroll's twin sister had made an emotional video taped appeal for Jill's release.
The twin sister of kidnapped journalist Jill Carroll pleaded for her release on Arab television Wednesday, saying her sister is a "wonderful person" who is an "innocent woman."

Katie Carroll read a statement on Al-Arabiya, noting that there had been no word from her sister's captors in Iraq in almost two months.

"I've been living a nightmare, worrying if she is hurt or ill," Katie Carroll said, according to a transcript released by the Christian Science Monitor. "There is no one I hold closer to my heart than my sister and I am deeply worried wondering how she is being treated."

Some are speculating that Carroll's release comes because of increased efforts to free hostages by Iraqi and Coallition troops. Her release comes only a week after American troops rescued three peace activists.

Apparently, Carroll's captors turned her over to the Islamic Party office in western Baghdad. The Islamic Party is the major Sunni party in Iraq and is a Salaafist organization (wants Sharia and return of Caliphate) with links to the insurgency.

According to bRight and Early: Fox News is reporting that her father, Jim Carroll, "wants to thank the thousands who have prayed." Amen.

UPDATE:It should be remembered by all that the only statement we have from Jill Carroll was one given by her just after her release in the offices of the Islamic Party and with cameras rolling. Further, it is not necessarily "Stockholm Syndrome" to claim that captors often treat hostages well--they often do.

Now the NYT (via Bad Hair Blog) reports that one of the leaders of the Islamic party, Dr. Tariq Al-hashmi, is claiming responsibility for winning Jill Carroll's release. This is very interesting, indeed. Especially after the last few days in which many see a change in the political atmosphere in Iraq, with reports of Sunnis now seeing the Americans as allies to protect them from Shia militias and Shias--the traditional U.S. allies in Iraq--becoming suspect of the Coalition.

The Carroll family press release, notice especially:

Finally, our thoughts are with the families of others still being held hostage in Iraq, and we hope that their loved ones will soon return safely to them.
Amen. American Dean Sadek is still being held hostage in Iraq.

Another update: Natasha and Jeff Tynes are friends of Jill Carroll and Natasha has some very delightful reaction.

This post is a follow up to Mike Pechar's earlier story.

Reports just in indicate that no ransom or negotiations were made by the Christian Science Monitor, but the leader of the Islamic Party of Iraq, Tariq al- Hashimi, was somehow involved in her release. U.S. officials also deny negotiating for Jill's release.

Walid Phares asks intereesting questions, especially about the connection of the jihadis who kidnapped Jill and the Islamic Party.

President Bush reacts: "I'm really grateful she was released, and thank those who worked hard for her release, and we're glad she's alive."

More updates: Charles Johnson: Her interpreter, murdered during the kidnapping, was not available for comment. Indeed.

Committee to Protect Journalists reacts: "We are overjoyed that this ordeal has finally ended and that Jill Carroll has been returned safely," CPJ Executive Director Ann Cooper said. "We continue to call for the release of other remaining captives in Iraq, and we urge armed groups to stop targeting innocent civilians."

Judy Klinghoffer speculates that ransom was involved. It would certainly not be the first time ransom was paid for a hostage. If she's right, it would only lead to more Western kidnappings and killings. However, as I hope I've made clear in the above, my suspicions are that the Islamic Party of Iraq--which has ties to the insurgency--was able to secure Jill's release as a political ploy. Both the CSM and U.S. government have denied ransom was paid, although it is not out of the question that the Islamic Party might have used money to influence the hostage-takers.

Others: Mike Pechar, Opinion Bug, Hyscience, Stop the ACLU, Outside the Beltway, Danny Carlton, Captain Ed, Clarity and Resolve, Poliblog, Politburo Diktat, Slublog, Small Dead Animals, Wizbang, Scared Monkeys, Right Winged, NTodd, Sandmonkey, Dean Esmay, bRight and Early, Lawhawk, Dan Riehl, Bad Hair Blog, Pajama Media, Boing Boing, Israellycool, Think Progress

Posted by: Rusty at 08:13 AM

Comments

1 She was treated well...can the people we take and hold captive say the same?

Posted by: madmatt at March 30, 2006 08:55 AM

2 Hmmm....madmatt(good choice of nick), since she was sympethetic to their cause, why would she be treated badly? And I seem to remember these same people MURDERED her Christian driver and translator. Yeah, that's what you libs call being treated well. Figures, somehow.

And yes, the prisoners we capture are treated a hell of a lot better than they deserve. What a fool you are.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 09:01 AM

3 Mixed emotions here, folks! Very glad she was finally freed, nobody should be treated this way whatever their convictions. Still don't think she was "in on it" since her translator died. Can even understand the headscarf since she was interviewed in an Islamic political office.

But TREATED WELL? These men kidnapped her then treatened her with guns on the first tape and (according to Al Jazeera) unreleased portions of the second tape. Jill is clearly compassionate but VERY misguided and unable to alter her basic convictions to accommodate reality. But Jill herself admitted to "not feeling fee" and "not knowing what would happen to me," so perhaps her eyes may yet open.

Doubtful, though. In a statement released to the Christian Science Monitor, her family thanked the Monitor and the Iraqi people for their efforts and support. No thanks to CNN for the media campaign they launched, no thanks to the American people for their prayers and support. The statement then requested that the media and public respect the privacy of the family so they could help Jill recover from her ordeal. Details of Jill's experience would be discussed at the appropriate time.

Waitaminute! Shouldn't JILL be the one to decide what is said and when? Guess her family wants to make sure she says what she should say. First she's manipulated by her captors, now it looks like she might be manipulated by her own family.

I hope not, but not optimistic.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 09:15 AM

4 All she is saying is she was treated well. She's wasn't raped or beaten. It's a known fact that female hostages are treated well with the acception of executed hostage Margaret Hassan. Grow up Jesusland Joe.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 09:22 AM

5 All she is saying is she was treated well. She's wasn't raped or beaten. It's a known fact that female hostages are treated well with the exception of executed hostage Margaret Hassan. Grow up Jesusland Joe.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 09:22 AM

6 madmatt,

We also don't threaten our prisoners with beheadings or death if demands aren't met. Actually come to think of it, our government isn't a bunch of terrorist thug kidnappers as are the scum that kidnapped Jill.

Now for a reality check...

Look out your window and take the real world in. We are at war. Those people you refer to are enemy combatants and your asinine comparison makes you look like an idiot.

How about you spend some time at Club Jihad and then take a turn at Club Gitmo. Then you can tell us how you really feel. Maybe you will feel like the prisoners at Gitmo, happy to be there instead of back home were they will be treated inhumanely.

Posted by: chez diva at March 30, 2006 09:23 AM

7 Grow up? What the hell do you mean?

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 09:26 AM

8 Exactly what I mean. Grow up. Jill is free. Be happy for her and her family.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 09:30 AM

9 Well, Robert I am happy for her family, but I think they should be a little more fair and not politicize this. Read the family statement realeased to the Chistian Science Monitor below:

http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com/2006/0113/carroll_update.html

Very specific thanks to the CSM and the IRAQI PEOPLE. Very general thanks to everyone else. No thanks to Americans for their prayers and support. Just a request for privacy (understandable) so details can be release when THE FAMILY (not Jill) feels it is appropriate.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 09:38 AM

10 >>>>she was treated well...can the people we take and hold captive say the same?

I sure as hell hope not.

But why would they not treat her well? She's a moonbat sympathetic to their cause-- not an enemy combatant captured on the battlefield.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 30, 2006 09:38 AM

11 Hell, man, go to the original post Mike Pechar made and read what I said. I clearly said I was happy about her release.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 09:38 AM

12 Stop calling her a moonbat Jesusland Carlos

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 09:41 AM

13 And don't even compare Guantanamo to the hostage crisis in Iraq Madmatt. The people we are holding would kill in the blink of an eye if they had a chance. We are releasing some Guantanamo prisoners a year.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 09:42 AM

14 I've defended Jill on this blog many times before, but now that I look back on the big picture of this whole thing and the comments made thus far, I'm afraid I am slowly started to lean towards J. Joe's point of view if not his rhetoric. She went there to tell the "story of the Iraqi people." She chose to stay there. She gradually appeared to warm up to her role as a hostage. She felt it necessary to emphasize that she was treated well (probably true, but why the major emphasis?). And her family are clearly liberal anti-Americans who will sway her.

Regardless, I still rejoice that this young woman is free now to exercise the freedoms we enjoy in this country, even I don't (and probably won't) agree with what she does with them.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 09:54 AM

15 Could she have volunteered to be a hostage ,trying to get her sisters freed?

Posted by: Bob Munn at March 30, 2006 10:00 AM

16 All that is lacking now is a visit from the jabberwocky known as background noise. I eagerly await is prognostications, and although I am non-existant to him, I so admire his intellect that I am willing to wash his feet, as was the custom in another land in another time. After all, he is the saviour, isn't he?

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 10:03 AM

17 Intriquing possibility, but Alan Enwiyah's death says "notlikely."

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 10:03 AM

18 She didn't fake her kidnapping. Her friend was killed. Why are you even suggesting that? Anyway Dean Sadek and Jeffrey Ake are dead. They haven't been seen in a hostage video for a year. They are no longer mentioned in the news. Their captors didn't feel like showing their executions on video or stating their death in a statement for some unknown reason. No point in labeling them as a hostage.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 10:09 AM

19 "She was treated well...can the people we take and hold captive say the same?"

No. And I would be ashamed if we could; The Enemy should not be 'treated well' if something of value can be gained by not.

Such sqeamish cowardice in the face of obvious evil amazes me no matter how many times I see it. I think it insulting to compare an innocent woman trying to help out the Iraqis (no matter how foolish I think that is) with a person who is doing their level best to instate religious fascism to the area or disrupt the rebuilding of a country.

Posted by: MiB at March 30, 2006 10:14 AM

20 Thank you MIB. All I'm saying is treat Jill Carroll with respect. That's all

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 10:20 AM

21 Perhaps, MiB, but the actions of this "innocent woman trying to help out the Iraqis," which I agree are foolish, play into the hands of people trying to institute religious facism into Iraq.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 10:22 AM

22 Okay, Robert, I'll treat Jill with some respect. She has, after all, just been released from a traumatic (though she doesn't describe it as such) experience. But not her family. Their words clearly indicate an anti-american bias.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 10:25 AM

23 Very true WM.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 10:26 AM

24 I was referring to her foolish actions in Iraq. Not her family. Oh and having a gun to your head is traumatic.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 10:28 AM

25 I'm glad that's she's been released safely, although I find her comments about being "treated well" to be in poor taste considering they shot both her colleagues, killing one. It will be interesting to hear what she has to say in the coming weeks about what she went through and her feelings on it.

Posted by: Graeme at March 30, 2006 10:29 AM

26 Robert,

why are we supposed to treat her with "respect"? Give me one reason. She's a run of the mill moonbat as far as I'm concerned. She placed herself in that situation because of her moonbat ideologies, endangering her life and those of potential rescuers. She's about to go on a speaking tour expousing how great her kidnapper's are, etc. So I'm glad she's free, but "respect"? Nope.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 30, 2006 10:31 AM

27 Okay.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 10:31 AM

28 I invite you to take a look at Walid Phares' comments on The Counterterrorism Blog - lots of interesting questions left to answer.

Posted by: Andrew Cochran at March 30, 2006 10:42 AM

29 Well, Graeme, she may not yet know that her colleagues were shot and her translator killed. But you still have a point. Why endure having a gun held to your head, crying your eyes out in a video, and then emphasize how humane you were treated?

"Moonbat" IS a bit strong, J.C. but her empathy is clearly misguided. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 10:43 AM

30 >>>The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

In a word, Liberalism.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 30, 2006 10:46 AM

31 Sorry, J.C., but I've seen the good intentions of conservatives cause as much damage as the good intentions of liberals. That's why I'm a moderate.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 10:50 AM

32 I'm happy that Ms. Carroll has been released. I also think it is way too early to know what happened to her - she was still in Iraq when she said she was well treated - who knows what she could have been threatened with had she said anything else.
Taking away someone's freedom is *not* good treatment.

Posted by: Beth Donovan at March 30, 2006 10:58 AM

33 WM,

yes, conservatives can get it wrong too. But to be clear, we conservatives don't base our decisions on feelings and "good intentions." Conservatism appeals to pragmatism, i.e., what works. For example, I feel sorry for poor illegal aliens and their children. But on the macro level, those feelings should not influence how the problem should be addressed. Liberalism, on the other hand, is all about catering to those feelings. Conservatism attempts to be pragmatic, while Liberalism wants only to satisfy those gut feelings, i.e., "good intentions."

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 30, 2006 11:02 AM

34 Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I've assumed that Jill Carroll is of the same ideological anti-American mindset as Rachel Cory, the girl who was run over by the bulldozer. If so, there's no reason to believe that Carroll's kidnapping will change her opinion.

Posted by: Mike at March 30, 2006 11:04 AM

35 I’m happy she is free. I think if I were her, I might have something to say to the family of the murdered driver. But…that’s just me.

Well lefties, I guess this is proof the kidnappers are reasonable folks after all. You CAN gain your freedom from these people. They will treat you well if you just kiss their ass and forget about small things like the head of your friend and driver being blown off. Just put on the birka and say the right things, it will set you free.

Posted by: Brad at March 30, 2006 11:11 AM

36 I agree with your reply, J.C. Conservatives err, but differently.

Mike, I have to be fair even though I have my own doubts about Jill now. Jill is a liberal, but I've read her stories and she was critical of the Iraqi government and the issurgency as well as the U.S. Still, her stories also developed a "things are much worse now" tone over time. I wouldn't put her in a class with Rachel Corie, but she may have been going in that direction.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 11:12 AM

37 Be rational, Robert. She is undeniably a moonbat. I am beyond disgusted that she refers to her captivity as one in which she was "treated well" when her interpreter was murdered in cold blood before her eyes. What a dipshit!!!! This woman does not deserve respect -- her actions and her attitude contribute to the entire problem we are facing today. She is an "enabler" of the terrorists.

I'd love to be able to ask her what she was squalling and bawling about in that second video if she was being treated so well.

Disgusting.

Posted by: grossmans2@yahoo.com at March 30, 2006 11:13 AM

38 Be rational, Robert. She is undeniably a moonbat. I am beyond disgusted that she refers to her captivity as one in which she was "treated well" when her interpreter was murdered in cold blood before her eyes. What a dipshit!!!! This woman does not deserve respect -- her actions and her attitude contribute to the entire problem we are facing today. She is an "enabler" of the terrorists.

I'd love to be able to ask her what she was squalling and bawling about in that second video if she was being treated so well.

Disgusting.

Posted by: Batyah at March 30, 2006 11:13 AM

39 Brad, again, she may not know about the murder of her translator yet. There is no evidence she saw that. My beef is that she is downplaying the evil of being abducted.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 11:15 AM

40 Well it's info that is available to her and her family now WM.
Understand that my disgust is not just for her, but for the MSM in general who down played cold blooded murder by sweeping the killing of someone who was not the "star" of this story under the carpet.
OK honey, he is dead and you now know about it. Let’s hear something other than crickets chirping..............

Posted by: Brad at March 30, 2006 11:29 AM

41 Good point, Brad. I await her response as well. We shall see.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 11:47 AM

42 It looks to me, in her statements, like she's saying she doesn't know where she was, she was kept in a small area, the shower was two feet away -- I couldn't make out the question, but if it was simply, "Do you know where you were held" -- well, where did she walk from to get to the government offices? Did they drive her somewhere and release her? The implication is that they set her out on the street.

Yes, this may be a little detail. But there are a lot of little details that are bothering me in this -- being "treated well" when she was sobbing and sending letters begging us to comply, then the wide variation in emotion when videos were filmed. I hope like hell I'm wrong. But it's not safe to make any assumptions when there are just so-many-questions.

AFA the people we take and hold captive -- we are imprisoning people we have good suspicion of meaning us or the Iraqi people harm. The kidnappers in Iraq, on the other hand, are taking innocents hostage -- reporters, freedom workers, infrastructure rebuilders. Not people who mean harm, but rather the very people who want to help. We haven't beheaded anyone yet, either. I don't really think the two situations are comparable.

Posted by: jkw at March 30, 2006 11:48 AM

43 More updates: Charles Johnson: Her interpreter, murdered during the kidnapping, was not available for comment. Indeed.

The esteemed Charles Johnson says it, so let's nod our head silently, and agree.

I say the same thing, and get criticized, oh to be friggin' Charles Johnson.

Posted by: davec at March 30, 2006 11:50 AM

44 It is a shame that Alan Enwiyah, by all accounts a good man, was relegated to a "supporting role" in this "drama" like a bit player in a cheap movie. But wait and see how Jill reacts to this before judging her for it. I, too, dislike that Jill seems to be downplaying the evil of her abduction, but maybe Alan's death will make her see it differently.

I hope.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 11:50 AM

45 And Brad, I shall not get to see the whales this year, but am required to go to Savannah, Ga. and visit the cooking show of Paula Dean. Look for me on the Food Network in the middle of October. I'll be the one in the audience looking silly.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 11:51 AM

46 Davec,

I think it was the "send her back" comment that I was responding to in that other thread. I know you were just venting, but others might not.

Posted by: Rusty at March 30, 2006 11:58 AM

47 Jill Carroll deserves our respect because she is a human being. She is imperfect but she still deserves repect.She did not deserve to be kidnapped.

Posted by: john Ryan at March 30, 2006 11:59 AM

48 My girls love that network, I'm not sure which one Paula is, but I'm sure I've seen her. The only one I know for sure is Emeril.
Hold up a sign when you’re in the audience. How about "Greg won't meet me for a drink”? That way, we will all know it's you

Posted by: Brad at March 30, 2006 11:59 AM

49 What Jill Carroll admitted today is that she is a liar. Her pleas that the US change policy to get her release was a lie. Her crying that they were going to kill her was just a joke. He dead translator was insignificant. this was all about Jill and her fellow spring breakers, the Islamic Jihad. Nothing Jill will ever write can be taken as fact. Her first words should have been about dead translators and other hostages. Not her nice captors. The MSM, especially the Christian Science Monitor has committed fraud that we should have ever been concerned about her. I am glad she is alive, but I imagine she would not blink an eye at a dead American soldier. she probably has a burka cheerleading outfit all picked out.

Posted by: Karen at March 30, 2006 12:00 PM

50 >>>>Jill Carroll deserves our respect because she is a human being.

Rubbish. It goes without saying that not all human beings deserve our respect.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 30, 2006 12:02 PM

51 I've defended Jill and given her the benefit of the doubt so many times, but I'm starting to lose it. Too many nagging questions. Jill owes us explanations. I will defend her no longer but hope she can address the questions raised here.

And BTW, respect is EARNED not GIVEN. She will have to earn mine back.

Posted by: WM at March 30, 2006 12:23 PM

52 "Rubbish. It goes without saying that not all human beings deserve our respect."

Well, then - who gives a rats ass what you want, or expect or think?

Think real hard on that one. For all your self righteous posturing and "send em back to die" tough guy BS, you're just another cow at the trough.

Posted by: Angryflower at March 30, 2006 12:49 PM

53 "And BTW, respect is EARNED not GIVEN. She will have to earn mine back."

LOL.

I feel bad for you, some loser on the internet waiting for this woman to prove that she needs your respect to you.

Ever been in forced captivity? You're some fatass behind a computer saying you have no respect for someone who just went through t that.

Wow.

Posted by: Angryflower at March 30, 2006 12:52 PM

54 I'm in pretty darn good shape you little angry flower. No fat butt here.
How do you feel about your minute men killing that translator? I wonder if he had kids, wife, etc...Not that you or the MSM give a s#@t.

Posted by: Brad at March 30, 2006 01:00 PM

55 Hi everybody! Your favorite liberal troop-supportin' troll here!

Anyway - I was initially perplexed by the fact that she was wearing the hijab, etc. for the interview. There is an explanation, however:

The interview took place at the office of the "Sunni political party" where her captors dropped her off. The workers in this political party's office took her in and promised her safety, contacted authorities and contacted the press. The key here is that the press, traveling lightly, was able to arrive quickly and conduct the interview before the proper armored military escort could get there to pick her up and return her to the International Zone.

She was delivered by her captors to the Sunni political party's office in Islamic garb, she presumably would have had to wear such clothing had she visited the same office of her own free will - and she certainly didn't have a set of Western clothes to change into.

I would imagine that her next interview - given from the safety and comfort of the International Zone - will take place in Western clothes.

P.S. Manshake!

Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at March 30, 2006 01:07 PM

56 How do you feel about your minute men killing that translator?

Come on - is anybody really calling them Minutemen anymore? It's been almost 3 years since Moore put his foot in his mouth with that one - I doubt that he or anyone else has said anything like it in the past two years.

Would you please start holding King Bush and his band of Merry Men responsible for everything they've been saying over the past 3 years? I seem to remember a little something about the end of major combat operations and something else about the insurgency being in its last throes...

Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at March 30, 2006 01:11 PM

57 Just answer the question. You have nothing to say about the murder? Find it hard to condemn don’t you? Not on the script.

Like I said, put on the birka, say what they want and it will set you free. You’re a great mouth piece for the murdering kidnappers. Read right from the script. You are the insurgency; you are carrying its water.

Posted by: Brad at March 30, 2006 01:19 PM

58 Can we just skip the banal formalities of:

"Kidnapping" a willing hostage/peace activist
Making a video tape full of crocodile tears
Killing translators who may not be in on the scheme
Supplying Al-Jazeera and Al-MSM with the video footage
Paying ransom to the terrorists?

It would be so much easier to put the Jill Carrolls of the world up for auction on eBay and pay the ransom directly to the Brotherhoods of Wolfitude, (or whatever) via PayPal.

At least no translators would get hurt, the military could stop risking their lives for "peace activists", and we could get right down to paying the pirates so they can buy more Semtex to kill more of us.

Posted by: NuclearTinkerbell at March 30, 2006 01:27 PM

59 NT, I have a better idea. Let's just bring all the troops home, open the borders, disarm, make the welfare state available to the Islamists, and see what happens.

At least all the people killed in these car bombings, kidnappings, etc. will speak English, which will make it much easier to clean up the aftermath. And the victims will either all have health insurance, or in the alternative be covered by medicaid. See how simple everything is when you follow the Democratic Security Plan.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 01:35 PM

60 Anyone who has been following the story carefully, say on the CSM webiste, rather than jumping onto it now, would know the Ms. Carroll always wore a burka, as her photos before the kidnapping evince. Please do your research before forming an opinoin.

Posted by: Maimonides at March 30, 2006 01:36 PM

61 I'm enjoying this thread and there's not much else I could add to the conversation that hasn't already been said. But just for the record, I'm glad she's been released just because she's a fellow human who, even if misguided, did not intend to harm another. Sure, I think she's screwed up, but that's an entirely separate issue. Some people just can't seem to make that distinction. I respect the right of some of the dimwits here to free speech, but respect them? Why? Some try to dilute what the word "respect" means.

Posted by: Oyster at March 30, 2006 01:37 PM

62 Maimonides:
Before you tell everyone else to 'do their research' you might want to do yours:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/17/AR2006011700793.html

First video snapshot, with no headscarf, or bed bed sheet dress, suggesting she was wearing neither when captured.

It's long been pointed out she has worn the Hijab in the past.

Posted by: davec at March 30, 2006 01:52 PM

63 Folks, I have an alternative theory: I think she definitely was mistreated but is in shock and denial, hence her assertion that her captors didn't harm her. After all, something they did to her reduced her to a weeping puddle on that second video, and I don't think that was faked. (I've noticed that a lot of people are remarking upon that video and the contradiction from her today that "they never threatened me in any way.") Give her a chance to get some therapy, and sooner or later we'll find out exactly what happened to her. Meanwhile, let's just chill and give her some time to adjust to freedom. I don't agree with her politics but on a purely human level I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt - for now.

Posted by: pthem at March 30, 2006 01:54 PM

64 Davec, thanks for the info. I was pretty sure she had never worn the burka, but was in the process of trying to find out when I read your post. Job well done, thanks!

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 02:06 PM

65 TO: madmatt
RE: Indeed

"She was treated well...can the people we take and hold captive say the same?" -- madmatt

Those at Gitmo or even Abu G have not been decapitated with a dull knife or even simply shot to death, so they can still speak.

However, Jill's translator, as Charles Johnson points out, nor the late Mr. Fox, cannot say, either way. As the time proven adage goes, "Dead men tell no tales."

Personally, based on this review of the incident, Jill was in cahoots with her captors. Christian Science Monitor and any other outfit she affilates with is on the dung-heap, as far as I am concerned.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Before you start arguing about how there have been deaths of internees, I'll ask you to review the events that transpired at Koji Doh, the US operated POW camp during the Korean War. And, please, don't forget how a good number of these detainees WANT to get killed; for stupid reasons of their own. We're having to feed some of them in order to dissuade them of that.

Personally, I'd let them kill themselves. And, tell them that their carcasses will be fed to pigs.

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at March 30, 2006 02:56 PM

66 >>>>Come on - is anybody really calling them Minutemen anymore? It's been almost 3 years since Moore put his foot in his mouth with that one - I doubt that he or anyone else has said anything like it in the past two years.

Michael Moore may have learned to edit his comments vis a vis the Iraq insurgents and terrorists, but he shows no sign of having changed his views about them given the fact that he's singing pretty much the same song he was 3 years ago. So no, he'll never live his "minutemen" comments down as long as he favors our defeat in Iraq.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 30, 2006 03:30 PM

67 Angry,

should I respect you too? lol! good one.

re "fatass", from the tone of your comments all the time, more likely it's YOU who is a the over-the-hill saggy-breasted fatass divorced bitter Liberal man-hating sow who's just projecting.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 30, 2006 03:38 PM

68 Isn't it possible she's saying that she was treated well purely to indicate to her family and loved ones at home (the interview took place before she was anywhere near communicating with her family) that she was not raped and/or beaten? Isn't it just a way of letting people know that despite the fact something horrible has happened to you--being kidnapped and threatened with death is something horrible to pretty much everyone--you weren't inaddition tortured etc, to reassure everyone, so they needn't worry too much about how much ytou're suffered? I can imagine assuring my mother, I'm okay, I actually was treated okay, as a way of maing her feel better.

We should not assume the worst about her, before we know what happened. Come on.

Posted by: Lisa at March 30, 2006 03:55 PM

69 Here's a brief translation from the group which states why they released Jill. It's from a known shock site. I'm not allowed to type it's name.

"The Mujahedeen in Iraq declare the release of the American journalist Jill Caroll, after keeping her for 3 months and the US army or the CIA couldn't get her, to prove their failure to all the people. Those troops captured tens of innocent pepole and accused them with kidnapping this journalist, today we release her after the American goverment fulfill a part of our requirements after they released some of our women in prisons and to the world, know we have a case, and we defend it till victory or death in the sake of Allah. And know too, that the journalist are the friends of Mujahedeen and their brothers, and their voice which defends them in that world, Jill Caroll go back to your family and your home peacefully and safely,and tell the American people what you saw and heard in those 3 months, cause you witnessed the facts, and we trust you a lot and are sure you will tell the truth without changing."

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 04:05 PM

70 Carlos, easy now, you know the word sow stirs up our resident Islamists and their enablers.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 04:06 PM

71 What a stupid bitch. So is her cult group looking for war crimes by Americans. She found a crime alright. It is called moon god worship, and it makes you crazy!

Tell that fat cow J.J.!

Posted by: Leatherneck at March 30, 2006 04:07 PM

72 Jill's not fat. Anyway it's time for Maury. I'll see you guys tomorrow.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 30, 2006 04:09 PM

73 We know that Jill is not fat, Carlos was referring to someone who goes by the nick Angryflower.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 04:17 PM

74 Angry Flower wears big underwear.

Posted by: Brad at March 30, 2006 04:31 PM

75 Perhaps. Anyway I'm just glad Jill is free. I frankly don't give a damn whether she's a far left stockholm syndrome sufferer. There are more important things to worry about than that. Like the fact that Osama Bin Laden is still out there.

Posted by: Max Power at March 30, 2006 04:58 PM

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Posted by: Angry Flower's Husband at March 30, 2006 05:20 PM

77 Here are some reminders for folks like jesusland joe:

TAGUBA REPORT
The report estimates that 60% of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib were "not a threat to society" and that the screening process was so inadequate that innocent civilians were often detained indefinitely. Guards invented their own rules and supervisors approved of their actions.
SOURCE: http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/reports/2004/800-mp-bde.htm



Here is an article echoing that from the London Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1211374,00.html

I would like to post a picture of the young boy Ali Abbas here but I don't want to make anyone sick. Google image search his name and "Iraq" if you want to see how well we treat Iraq's innocent civilians.

Posted by: hiroshima joe at March 30, 2006 06:54 PM

78 Is his head cut off Joe? Are you sure America did it Joe? If you hate this country so bad Joe, get the bloody hell out!

Posted by: Leatherneck at March 30, 2006 07:58 PM

79 hiroshima joe, you would eat a turd and call it steak if you thought you could get an anti-American or anti-Bush spin out of it. Surely you don't think either one of those rags you link to has any credibility, or possibly you are as stupid as they. Hard to believe, but you are apparently in the business of convincing me.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 08:28 PM

80 Boy, Jesusland Joe is one articulate guy. And so insightful. Yes, liberals would do anything, including skin their own children alive, to make Bush look bad. Bush only looks bad because of liberals, not because he's done lots of foolish things.

Posted by: richard at March 30, 2006 09:06 PM

81 Oh, Hiroshima Joe, post your photo. Rusty has posted all the photos of the innocent people who have had their heads chopped off by your friends in the "insurgency". I think I can stand whatever you throw my way, you yob.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 09:09 PM

82 Liberals have children? That would be child abuse to have to grow up in a liberal household. No wonder liberals are all in favor of abortion. Richard, how did you escape the abortion mills?

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 30, 2006 09:15 PM

83 Jihadi Jill makes me sick. She's a terrorist sympathizer. You radical left-wing nuts better get your heads checked and not support this useful idiot or you'll never win an election again. Hahaha

Posted by: K at March 31, 2006 07:14 AM

84 Fuck you!

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 31, 2006 07:27 AM

85 Robert, you can stop using your alias now. Be a man and use your real name, George Ramos, if that's not another lie.

Posted by: Garner at March 31, 2006 02:07 PM

86 Stop making fun of me you bastard! Are you nuts? What is your issue?

Posted by: George Ramos at March 31, 2006 02:14 PM

87 Like I said in the other chat, you're a bitch, get lost. Your attitude sucks and you're fuckin gay.

Posted by: Garner at March 31, 2006 02:16 PM

88 here comes the baseball bat

Posted by: Brad at March 31, 2006 02:20 PM

89 Garner you are one sick bastard, get a life. Why don't you grow up and leave these threads, you have nothing useful to say.

Posted by: George Ramos at March 31, 2006 02:28 PM

90 You change your name, you're 18, and you degrade women. You're a spineless piece of shit. Before you said it was time to watch Maury, I guess that means you're unemployed you sorry ass kid.

Got it? Robert, George, whoever the fuck you are, grow some balls. Does your mom know you swear on her computer?

Posted by: Garner at March 31, 2006 02:32 PM

91 I am sure that america blew off ali ismail abbas, arms and legs in a carpet bombing attack much like the ones last week. In that same bombing, his whole family was killed. I think I would rather have my head cut off than suffer his fate, which was much more common than beheadings in this war.

I never said I was against Bush or America. I was only presenting something that doesn't seem to show up in forums very often: original documents and facts. I am not a left-winger, just anti-war. I do not condone any violence or torture but to claim that the US government is morally superior to our enemy is not a valid arguement in light of evidence to the contrary and an iraqi death toll of 33,000.

the taguba report is from: ARTICLE 15-6 INVESTIGATION OF THE 800th MILITARY POLICE BRIGADE

FROM THE REPORT: "On 31 January 2004, the Commander, CFLCC, appointed MG Antonio M. Taguba, Deputy Commanding General Support, CFLCC, to conduct this investigation. MG Taguba was directed to conduct an informal investigation under AR 15-6 into the 800th MP Brigade’s detention and internment operations."

(you are right jesusland, the military "rag" probably doesn't have any credibility)
Military intelligence=oxymoron

Posted by: hiroshima joe at March 31, 2006 03:32 PM

92 Nor does Al-Guardian, namesake. But you are trying to equate two things that are in no way the same. It is terrible what happened to Ali, but it is in no way equivalent to the head-chopping holy warriors. Scroll through the archives and take a look at what these guys have done. You can also watch some of the jihadist videos if you wish, and I think you will quickly change your mind about whether you would wish your head to be cut off. Listen to the screams of these men who were murdered.

And I am not trying to defend the innocent loss of life in Iraq. It is bad. And it was bad before we got there, and I have little faith that anything can be done to help these people, but I know most of the men in our military have tried to help the best they can, and have not murdered people. They have made mistakes, but they are in a very bad position, and I know I couldn't have done any better.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 31, 2006 03:54 PM

93 I was the Country Manager of a security company in Iraq that performed Personal Security Details for all the CPA big dogs except Bremer. I'm the guy that found Berg hanging upside down from a bridge near Abu Ghraib, wearing an orange jumpsuit, hands tied behind his back, head in a sack on the highway below him. But I digress...

One of my PSDs was responsible for the Coalition press crews out of the Green Room in the Palace. These STRATCOM (Strategic Communications) folks were top-notch. Good journalists. Trying to get out the feel good stories that get such short shrift in the MSM. They would not have cared much for Miss Demeanor Jill Carroll, I can tell you that. Come to think of it, I don't, either!

Posted by: RangerRuss at March 31, 2006 04:15 PM

94 Actually that wasn't me. I don't have that email. Someone is getting their kicks by impersonating me. Oh and by the way, I'm still in school. Have a good night.

Posted by: George Ramos at March 31, 2006 05:45 PM

95 Oh and by the way whoever put the email Iamgay@yahoo.com has some serious issues. I'm tired of fighting with Garner. I don't even know this guy. I'm willing to make peace with Garner. Garner I'm sorry and have a good day.

Posted by: George Ramos at March 31, 2006 05:50 PM

96 RangerRuss: "One of my PSDs was responsible for the Coalition press crews out of the Green Room in the Palace. These STRATCOM (Strategic Communications) folks were top-notch. Good journalists. Trying to get out the feel good stories that get such short shrift in the MSM. They would not have cared much for Miss Demeanor Jill Carroll, I can tell you that. Come to think of it, I don't, either!"

-------------------------------------

Wow, and yet a Marine public affairs officer had this to say about her:

"Her professionalism and objectivity were unparalleled within the media community," Capt. Patrick Kerr, a Marine public affairs officer who got to know Carroll last December, when she spent a month with a Marine unit in Western Iraq, said in an e-mail. "I saw her in Husaybah, on the Syrian border, in early December shortly before I returned to the States. Aside from being very personable and down-to-earth, what really struck me was Jill's bravery. She seemed to fit right in with the marines and Iraqi security forces," he wrote in January.


Posted by: itsme at April 01, 2006 04:20 PM

97 Well, I can't speak for the Marine officer in question. I can only speak to the fact that the overwhelming majority of the reporters my men and I protected were personally brave. And I have no reason to believe otherwise in her case. I risked life and limb on more occasions than you'll ever be years old, and perhaps she did, too. But I know that I did everything in my power to minimize and mitigate that risk for those who worked for me. I have 37 stitches in my leg because I chose to run BIAP road alone in a thin-skinned BMW rather than risk my men in a 3-Suburban convoy during the Muqtada al-Sadr uprising. And for a stringer reporter to attempt something similar? Sorry, but that dog don't hunt. Sheer hubris made her think that a driver and a "bodyguard" would keep her safe when she went in harms way for some silly-ass story to buttress her arguments about the war. I personally don't give a flying *uck at a rolling doughnut what her personal views were or are. I simply cringe in abject horror when I think that an idiotic American reporter could drag some needy Iraqi along on her sleighride to hell. He paid the price. She didn't. And were I endowed w/the power to choose one or the other, I'm afraid there would be some slow walking and sad singing around the Carroll house tonight...

Posted by: RangerRuss at April 01, 2006 09:39 PM

98 Well now I hope so many of your quick to judge and convict people have now heard Jill's latest statement. It quite clearly said that she did not mean the words she was forced to say on the hostage video and that she felt she had to say she was "Treated well" after being released but while giving and interview to the Iraqi Liberation Front. Not until she was safely on American soil did she feel she was safe and had time to formulate a clear public statement to set the record straight.

So many of you were quick to judge and most of you having never been held captive lacked the compassion and understanding of one of our own. At least you should have given her time to get back home to set the record straight before saying such ugly and negative things.

We have a lot to learn about patience, compassion, understanding of others pain.

Posted by: David at April 02, 2006 05:58 PM

99 i was so happy to read that Jill was freed afterall. God bless long life to Jill. I searched a lot in internet and really have not found if she underwent some kind of ordeal with the captors. were they good to her? why isnt she telling this to the world? is she still threatened? if you guys find any info as such please update them here in this site. that ll be a real good piece of information.

Posted by: nikki at April 04, 2006 01:01 PM

100 thank god she didnt get the ( abu ghrabe ) treatment.

Posted by: army at April 05, 2006 06:46 AM

101 I hope not. but why isnt she telling the whole world what happened there? I am sure she wasnt getting a queenly treatment there. speak up Jill!

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Posted by: Kaka93163 at April 20, 2006 01:45 AM

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Posted by: nikki at May 05, 2006 10:40 AM

105 I read that and did not get to posting maybe on my roundup the other day. He wa taken by the taliban and executed as you said. I'm not aware of a videi that does not mean there is not one. As I understand he was taken for helping the "apostates". He left behind a couple wives abd some children in India. His body was recovered and sent home althought not intact.

http://www.hindu.com/2005/02/06/stories/2005020606550104.htm

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