The Plot Sickens Even More

Now this is fascinating. From the CPT History/Mission page:

Iraq – a Baghdad-based presence since October 2002. Team members accompanied the Iraqi people through the U.S.-led 2003 war and continue during the post-war occupation to expose abusive acts by U.S. Armed Forces and support Iraqis committed to nonviolent resistance.

This organization went into Iraq while Saddam Hussein was still in power.

Yet, I still hope for the hostages safe release.

UPDATE: Geez, 18 comments on this post and no one noticed that I spelled "history" as "hisory." With friends like you, who needs enemas?

Posted by: Vinnie at 06:36 PM

Comments

1 These useful idiots were advocating their sick version of "peace", meanwhile women and children were being raped in Saddam's dungeons probably just a stonethrow from these Leftards. I'm finding it very hard to suppress my feelings of utter revulsion towards these people. I feel sorry for them if they get their heads slowly sawed off, but not real sorry.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2005 06:58 PM

2 I do hope these idiots get rescued by the Iraqi Army, supported by the USMC.

The war on terror is a battle between civilization and chaos. And civilized people tolerate idiots.

Posted by: Marvin at November 29, 2005 07:17 PM

3 The road is named Agent Winston. Click click click go the feisty whores. The snowball is named denial. Email us now to get the blog money. Is that it?

Posted by: Jane at November 29, 2005 08:50 PM

4 I must say, greg turned out to be the ultimate troll after all. All this time I thought guys were being too hard on him. I guess I was mistaken.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2005 08:50 PM

5 errr what i meant to ssy woop woop was is there such a thing as a peaceful insurgency? isnt that an oxymoron? wooof poooom

Posted by: Jane at November 29, 2005 08:55 PM

6 Rusty,

I think what Greg is doing is a violation of criminal law. He is making a demand for money, and I think extortion laws would apply in this case.

I think you should seriously consider turning his posts over to the Prosecuting Attorney for investigation of violation of the United States Code. There may also be state statutes in your own state that apply to extortion, which in many cases make it easier to prosecute.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 29, 2005 08:55 PM

7 I think he needs medication.

Posted by: Jane at November 29, 2005 08:57 PM

8 How does somebody go about changing IP addresses like that? That's a neat trick.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2005 09:01 PM

9 Rusty,

He lives in Austin, and I wouldn't doubt that he may be doing this with computers at the University of Texas. I think you should tell the Prosecuter that he may be using computers at UT-Austin and perhaps they can check with UT in an attempt to find out.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 29, 2005 09:02 PM

10 How do you know he lives in Austin? I thought he lived in the hill country.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2005 09:13 PM

11 Back on thread - so how long before the release of the beheading video? Anyone want to start a pool?

Listen -I hope they return alive but I'm not going to waste a lot of time or words on them.

Posted by: hondo at November 29, 2005 09:23 PM

12 Damn! So many threads on this topic!

These people put themselves in this position - naive, stupid or whatever - does it really matter?

Let it play out - and lets move on.

Posted by: hondo at November 29, 2005 09:29 PM

13 Vinnie why the italics on that one line ? Are you suggesting that the peace group was pro-Saddam ? Or that they somehow approved of his regime ?

Posted by: john ryan at November 29, 2005 09:34 PM

14 >>>"so how long before the release of the beheading video? Anyone want to start a pool?"

How bout a dead pool on which hostage gets sliced first. I'm thinking the hippy looking guy on the right gets it first. Jihadis don't like hippies. Something about them being morally degenerate.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2005 09:44 PM

15 I italicized it to emphasize the fact that this organization was allowed into Iraq at a time when it was extremely difficult for Westerners to enter Iraq, John.

However, to address your insinuation directly, if I thought that they were pro-Saddam, or approved of his regime, I would have written This group was clearly pro-Saddam, and approved of his regime!

Posted by: Vinnie at November 29, 2005 10:13 PM

16 Carlos,

I thought you lived in the hill country. Greg told me he lives in Austin.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 29, 2005 10:18 PM

17 JJ,

I do live in the hill country, and I thought I remember him telling me we were neighbors. I could be wrong though.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2005 10:22 PM

18 Carlos,

My dad's family is from Kerrville, and I was traveling from Abilene to Kerrville and asked Greg to meet me in Austin for a beer. IM told me Greg lived in Austin, and Greg confirmed it, although he might have lied, who knows? He refused to meet me for the beer however, because I wasn't too happy with him at the time, but really, I wouldn't have kicked his ass, even though I felt like it.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 29, 2005 10:31 PM

19 Are you sure he's not posting via anonymous proxies or open wingate/SOCKS servers?
You can find thousands of them on pages to do with Internet anonymity, just a simple reconfiguration of a browser, or sometimes you just post in the URL and it will bring you here through their server.

If that's the case, it's a pretty simple, much like greg.

Posted by: dave at November 29, 2005 10:34 PM

20 You guys know all these comments go to my email, right? Right?

C'mon, this off-topic stuff is interfering with my ability to order 200 cases of Viagra at the discounted price, dudes.

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And I keep my filters at a minimum, so I don't miss the ads for hot lesbo midget porn.

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Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 29, 2005 11:18 PM

24 So my earlier comment makes no sense without the greg context: The road is named Agent Winston. Click click click go the feisty whores. The snowball is named denial. Email us now to get the blog money. Is that it?

But trust me Im not realy nutso. You had to be there.

Posted by: Jane at November 29, 2005 11:27 PM

25 Vinnie, you're a better man than I regarding your wishes for the safe return of these folks. I take more of a "Mikado" view of the matter. Let the punishment fit the crime...

Posted by: Cybrludite at November 30, 2005 01:47 AM

26 Cyber,

After recent revelations on this group's website, I concur with you.

SOTG

Posted by: SonOfTheGodfather at November 30, 2005 03:35 AM

27 I hope these guys get rescued unharmed. However, a part of me does think that they're getting what they deserve. It's sickening the way these organisations have constantly slandered and maligned the good guys, while giving the real barbarians their sympathy and all the help they need. I wonder if the kidnappers were all killed during the rescue, if that would be recorded as a US attrocity? I think I know the answer to that question.

Posted by: Graeme at November 30, 2005 05:01 AM

28 Well we can pretty much be sure they didn't go to Iraq to document Saddam's atrocities. Hell, even CNN couldn't do that. So what would their message have been to the Iraqis? "Don't fight. Let them continue to kill you off one by one." Unless their naivete was so profound they thought they could get Saddams thugs to stop their murder.
---------------------------------

Joe, I would have met greg for a beer just out of morbid curiosity.

Jane, until I read further on, I was beginning to worry about you. Gotta admit, it sounded a bit weird.

Posted by: Oyster at November 30, 2005 05:54 AM

29 They are kidnapped - its Bush/US fault

if they are released - it is because of their successful dialogue with the insurgents in showing its Bush/US fault

if they are rescued - its Bush/US fault for preventing the above

if they are beheaded - its Bush/US fault

It is a no-win situation but it is also a no-important situation.

Notice how much coverage this gets by the MSM (and us at the moment too no less!) compared to the general lack of coverage of anything positive (military, Iraqi Gov etc).

This story is important to them, the lib/left & MSM. I wish them no harm but it is not important to me.

Posted by: hondo at November 30, 2005 06:02 AM

30 Agent Jones ran a search on Greg and found nothing in this thread.

Posted by: Agent Smith at November 30, 2005 06:05 AM

31 Jane?

Is that you, or some Yemeni government agent speaking.

Posted by: hondo at November 30, 2005 06:08 AM

32 Blame-America groups really bother me. But I think these people are Menonite. No?

Menonites have a very long history of challenging authority using non-violence and they are also prepared to accept martyrdom for their actions. My guess is they are relying on prayer for comfort. May God protect and comfort them.

I hope that son of dogs, Zarquawi doesn't execute them. Especially on camera.

Posted by: Jeff at November 30, 2005 08:11 AM

33 I wonder how that "nonviolent resistance" thing is going.

Posted by: carin at November 30, 2005 08:16 AM

34 Those who won't use violence as a means to solve problems are always going to get their asses kicked by those who do.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 30, 2005 10:19 AM

35 Oyster,

I offered to meet Greg and pick up the tab. But, alas, it was not to be, he is a coward!

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 30, 2005 10:39 AM

36 Hey, I think I've finally got it. CPT does not condemn killing. Only, selectively, who kills them.

Notice they didn't go into Iraq to document Saddam's killing of hundreds of thousands, even though their group has been in existence since 1986(?). They only cared when an organized effort was put together to stop him. Not one word on their site is used to condemn all the atrocities committed in Iraq for decades. Only a constant condemnation of those who fight back.

They think the Iraqis should have kept offering their throats. And, AND, they argue on behalf of those who have killed women, children, the old, the weak.

"Oh, innocent people are being tortured, gassed, raped, dismembered and murdered? Ho hum. Wait! They're fighting? Well, we can't have THAT!"

How sick is that?

Posted by: Oyster at November 30, 2005 03:13 PM

37 Actually, Oyster, if you had taken the time to Google CPT's site for "Saddam," you'd a full 25 pages of links to press releases and reports discussing atrocities of the toppled regime. A search for "Hussein" will net you 20 pages.

Search for "Bush," on the other hand, and you'll only find 19 pages of links. Narrow the search to "+Bush +Iraq" and you'll find only 14 pages of links.

Sorry, but your math simply doesn't add up. Overall, the balance of CPT's reporting in Iraq seems pretty even-handed. If anything, Bush seems to fare significantly better than Saddam.

In other words, if there's anything sick in this whole debate, it's the degree to which you have been willing to stretch the facts in the name of your own assumptions and beliefs.

Please, if you want to debate the fervors and follies of pacifism as a viable philosophy, by all means do so. But when it comes to making slanderous assertions about the 4 men currently being held hostage and the organization for which they work, check your assumptions at the door and do your research first.

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