The Plot Sickens
The Christian Peacemaker Teams organization to which the 4 hostages belong just recently suspended their Adopt-a-Detainee program.You read that right. Adopt-a-Detainee:
After a year and a half of coordinated advocacy for Iraqis detained by U.S. and other occupying forces, Christian Peacemaker Teams (CPT) is ending its Adopt-a-Detainee Letter-Writing Campaign. CPT's Iraq project will, however, continue to monitor the situation of Iraqis captured by the Multinational Force in Iraq (MNF) and by the new Iraqi Forces.They're still running the Campaign For Secure Dwellings though:
The Adopt-a-Detainee Letter-Writing Campaign, beginning in March 2004, matched individual detainees with congregations, mosques, synagogues, and peace groups in North America and around the world. These groups wrote letters to U.S., Iraqi and other relevant officials on the detainees' behalf. The campaign grew out of CPT's investigation of and reporting on abuses within the U.S.-run detention system in Iraq during the fall of 2003. The Adopt-a-Detainee Letter-Writing Campaign included a total of twenty-seven detainees, nine of whom U.S. officials released during the campaign, ten of whom were still detained at last word, and seven of whom U.S. officials never confirmed as detained (i.e., the "disappeared.")
Since 1995 the Christian Peacemaker Team in Hebron has provided a violence-reduction presence with street patrols, responding when we hear word of trouble, and staying with people in tense times and places. The team also supports Israeli and Palestinian peacemakers in their work. It is clear to us that there can be no security for Israelis or Palestinians as long as the Israeli military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip continues.Hm, guess no one bothered to tell them about the Gaza withdrawal earlier this year. I still hope the hostages are released unharmed.
Posted by: Susan Hallums at November 29, 2005 06:17 PM
Posted by: MathewK at November 29, 2005 06:23 PM
Good to see you are still around. I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly. Although I believe these hostages were misguided, they are VICTIMS nonetheless.
Posted by: Rusty at November 29, 2005 06:36 PM
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2005 06:45 PM
No family should have to suffer as yours did, or as their's are.
Posted by: Vinnie at November 29, 2005 07:00 PM
For those who deride and belittle people actively working for peace, even at the cost of their liberty, fortune, and lives and only ask, "what have you done?"
Posted by: Charlie Jackson at November 29, 2005 07:46 PM
For my part, I personally have done a lot less damage in this world doing "nothing" than you have done "actively working for peace". In other words, I'm useless, but you're worse than useless. That's why we think you people are such dangerous morons (mostly dangerous to yourself as it turns out). Please, stop doing us anymore favors.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2005 08:38 PM
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 29, 2005 08:43 PM
I know that the U.S. military may have to endager themselves to look for these four hostages, but CPT has specifically stated that they DO NOT want the military to intervene to save them....so if the military tries, the effort won't be wanted. They are not there to hurt or endanger our troops, they are not there to do damage, they are there to try to provide us back home with the truth and hold both sides - both the dictators and terrorists and the Coalition Forces - accountable. It may be a hopeless cause, but I can't see how it can be called "damaging."
Posted by: Brian Tyler at November 29, 2005 09:14 PM
umm, no. The U.S. military itself was the first to denounce human rights abuses at Abu Graib by some of its members, and was actively investigating and prosecuting them long before ANY civilians got wind of it, including your CPT. The only thing you people did was incite hatred against our country by making hay of it, as well as give aid and comfort to our enemies. You are dangerous and irresponsible people. You a little better than children in grown up bodies.
I sincerely hope our military doesn't lift a finger to rescue these moonbats considering their help is neither wanted nor appreciated. This is a bed the moonbats have made, if they want to sleep in it, LET THEM.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2005 09:55 PM
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 29, 2005 10:01 PM
To those being so critical in these threads, please treat the hostages with the same level of respect CPT members have been known to treat individual soldiers and combatants. If you're going to criticize, criticize the organization but respect the human beings who, like all of us, are simply doing what they believe to be right.
Posted by: Rob at November 29, 2005 10:02 PM
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 29, 2005 10:52 PM
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 29, 2005 11:19 PM
Had IFOR only been able to deploy 5 people, would they have contributed more or less than CPT to the peace and stability of Bosnia?
Had CPT been able to deploy 50,000 staff to the region, would they have had a greater or lesser effect than IFOR?
Aside from pure personnel counts, what if the two organizations also had comparable financial resources and training periods at their disposal?
It's obviously impossible to say one way or another, but I just wanted to point out how ludicrous you're being with your comparison. I'll tell you what - we've tried the military solution and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. How about we allocate the resources to CPT for a conflict or two and see how they do? Once that's out of the way, we can start comparing apples to apples. ;o)
Don't forget: non-violent movements forced the British out of India, the Soviets out of Poland & the Ukraine, the Syrians out of Lebanon, and also managed to introduce the notion of civil liberties to the grand old US of A. While they may not provide a solution to every problem (Hitler being a classic case study that ties pacifists in knots), the tactical and strategic value of non-violent movements should not to be underestimated.
Posted by: Rob at November 30, 2005 12:00 AM
I think we both know, the United States will send in Soldiers even if it's not wanted, it's a non-issue. Therefore they have put both Soldiers, Iraqi citizens and themselves in harms way.
Hooray for Peace!
If your organization pays a ransom, it should be likewise be held accountable, as that money is used to fund insurgency/terrorism against U.S Soldiers and Iraqi citizens.
Posted by: dave at November 30, 2005 12:04 AM
I think you know the answer to these questions without hypotheticals.
Posted by: Oyster at November 30, 2005 08:29 AM
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 30, 2005 10:29 AM
Oyster - I'm of the opinion that there are times when violence has worked (World War 2, for instance) and there are times when non-violent resistance has worked (India, Poland, Ukraine, Lebanon, and others, as I mentioned in my post). Hypotheticals have nothing to do with it.
There are many types of conflicts (ranging from schoolyard bullying and trade union disputes to gang wars to world wars to wars of philosophy or religion or oil). There are also many viable and long-proven approaches to conflict resolution, ranging from non-violent resistance, mediation, and peaceful diplomacy to walking up to someone and putting a cap in their ass.
To assume that overwhelming violence is the only solution to a given problem, this one included, is like building a house with a sledgehammer as your only tool. In ignoring the possibility that CPT might have something to offer, you're ignoring the lessons of history and limiting your options before you even enter the conflict zone. Why do you think the British military had fewer troubles in Iraq than the Americans - it's because they brought a broader spectrum of skills to the table and trained their troops to do more than simply pull the trigger. There are conflict situations, and I believe Iraq to be one of them, where overwhelming force is neither a viable nor an effective solution to the problem at hand.
Posted by: Rob at November 30, 2005 01:50 PM
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 30, 2005 01:57 PM
Can we not agree to recognize CPTers, Iraqis, and soldiers as human lives alike, no matter what they have or haven't been doing? As a pacifist I could say the exact same things about American soldiers and the US Army as others have said here about pacifists and CPTers. As a pacifist I do not believe in war theology and therefore see the US Military and soldiers as detrimental to peace in Iraq and even to global politics, but would I ever criticize a soldier for the sacrifice he or she makes by enlisting in the army (that is for volunteering to fight just as CPTers volunteer to work for peace)? Of course not.
It is completely unecessary to belittle and dehumanize the work of our fellow human beings and fellow Americans who also happen to work for CPT. Calling them names and talking about "you people" is not a mature or practial way to discuss this issue which goes far beyond peace/war theology, but deals with the loss or salvation of human lives whether they be soldiers, CPTers, or Iraqis.
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