Wall Street Journal: Google Is Blacklisting Conservative News Sites, Despite Denials Made Under Oath

Reported by the Daily Mail, which recapitulates the WSJ reporting. (The WSJ is behind that annoying paywall.)

Google 'DOES blacklist sites, has targeted conservative news sites and changes its algorithms to favour big businesses,' claims new report - despite the tech giant's denials

The Wall Street Journal claims Google has been blacklisting sites

It also claims that conservative publications have been blacklisted

The WSJ claims that Google made algorithmic changes in favour big businesses over smaller ones including on behalf of a major advertiser, eBay

They claim the blacklist policy instructs engineers, known as 'maintainers', to focus on sites that actively aim to mislead

A Google spokesperson said the company does 'not manually determine the order of any search result'

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The WSJ report also claims that Google made algorithmic changes to its search results that favour big businesses over smaller ones, and in at least one case made changes on behalf of eBay, which is a major advertiser.

The company also boosts some major websites, such as Amazon and Facebook in search results, according to people familiar with the matter.

Google's engineers have also created blacklists to weed out more-incendiary suggestions in auto-complete, the feature that predicts search terms as the user types a query - particularly those relating to controversial subjects such as abortion or immigration.

The WSJ compared Duckduckgo and Google autocomplete results in Joe Biden, and found that 'creepy' was suggested every time by the former but never by Google.

Here's an example of that: I just googled "John Solomon" to find his most recent reporting, and his own blog, JohnSolomonReports.com.

Google answered my query with a page full of media hits on Solomon -- including from the ostensibly-authoritative trash website Daily Beast -- attacking his credibility.

The link to his actual blog did not appear on the first page of results. Frustrated, I opened Bing and searched there.

They do this deliberately. They claim "it's the algorithm," but the algorithm is made -- and repeatedly tweaked and biased -- by intentional human action.



And what does Heritage have to say about this -- you know, Heritage, the supposedly conservative organization?

The "conservative" organization which deceives old people into thinking Heritage will "fight for conservatism" if they include a generous bequeathment to this corrupt organization in their wills?

Well, they say: "Build your own internet, peons."

How original!



Now, I'm sure there's nothing in that suggestion that maybe Heritage is screwing over the old ladies they cadge into donating to them in order to favor the huge monopoly corporations that pay them off.

Except... yeah, Heritage has in fact been on Google's payroll for eight years.



So everybody, make sure you keep sending your money to these corrupt zombie organizations.

I mean, sure, they'll put your money and Google's money together and then strike a fair balance entirely in Google's favor, but do make sure you keep this gigantic DC donation-leech pink and plump with your blood.

68 In regards to the "build your own networks crowd"...Gab did that. I know some people don't like them because icky people use that site but they did it...and then:

Their hosting service dropped them.
Their backup hosting service dropped them.
Their domain registrar dropped them.
Their payment processor dropped them.

Every time they got a new system in place...boom, all of a sudden they got dropped by someone else.

It's almost like there's a concerted effort to control what you are permitted to see.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas

Well, wrongthinker, they're not telling you to build your own website. They're telling you to build your own internet, as well as your own credit-card payment transfer companies so that people can subscribe and donate.

All you need to do is make your own internet and your own banks.

And then hope that Google doesn't just pay its "conservative" allies enough to get them to lobby to make the new internet and new banks illegal.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:04 PM




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1 OT: first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:04 PM (q80AH)

2 damn, so close...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 20, 2019 01:05 PM (8D42x)

3 surprising no one.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2019 01:06 PM (so+oy)

4 Popped a flare. Corgis called.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 01:06 PM (ob5xJ)

5 I think my mama read me this story one time. The Media That Cried Wolf.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 20, 2019 01:07 PM (+y/Ru)

6 Lied under oath? Let's reward them with more H1Bs!

Posted by: Uniparty at November 20, 2019 01:07 PM (QsyhO)

7 This whole being bought by rich billionaires thing depresses me more than angers me.

I can ignore them fine, but it'd sure be nice to have some sort of intellectual organizations out there fighting for us, especially those with historical ties to the movement.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:07 PM (q80AH)

8 Google is the devil.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 01:07 PM (ob5xJ)

9 Algorithms are put on earth by a cruel moon god.

Posted by: Moon Moon from google at November 20, 2019 01:07 PM (U7k5w)

10 You will learn to love your oppressor Goolag.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (yRAFu)

11 You realize why the upper Midwest even HAS Democrats? Because the farmers who needed access to railroads or grain elevators were told to build their own.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (8erNz)

12 Can we charge Sundar Pichai with Totally Serious Lying to Congress?
Barr? Anyone?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (koNhm)

13 8 Google is the devil.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 01:07 PM (ob5xJ)

Don't be evil!!

Posted by: Moon Moon from google at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (U7k5w)

14 They lied!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (1NJJk)

15 We have a feature called "Sound Off" in our local rag. Someone challenged the readers to "google" the term "most trusted news source" and dare to report the answer.

I'm sure it's going to be CNN or some other garbage site. I just need a little ammo to blast back at the Sound Off asswipe - that is, presuming they are an asswipe.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (Ki5SV)

16 Many at Google really need to learn what oppression is. 10 years hard in a Siberian gulag. l

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (Dp5C+)

17 I remember not being able to autocomplete chappaquuddick with Ted Kennedy on G, and laughing to myself at what vile little assholes they are.

Posted by: ... at November 20, 2019 01:09 PM (7eoML)

18 Under oath doesn't mean a damned thing anymore. Feel free to lie your ass off at any time during your testimony. There will be zero repercussions.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 20, 2019 01:09 PM (vtcmf)

19 corgis called

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 20, 2019 01:09 PM (8D42x)

20 Time to break up all monopolies.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at November 20, 2019 01:09 PM (HRtgq)

21 We knew Google was doing this, it was as plain as the jet on Larry Page's runway.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:09 PM (8erNz)

22 Ah, a perfect Democrat-type lie.

"We do not manually interfere with search results." Probably true, when narrowly defined. "We manually interfere with the algorithm that produces search results" is a slightly different point. They still lied, but they lied in a Congress-friendly way.

Kinda like "I didn't see The Dossier until the IC confab in December." He may well not have. "I saw all of the information in The Dossier, but not a compiled bundle of documents now referred to as 'The Dossier' at that time" is indeed slightly different.

Weasels all of them (with no offense to our weasel, who is not).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 01:09 PM (I2dne)

23 Google id probably the worse of all of them. And This prick Wallace on FOX is almost as bad as anyone on cnn and msnbc

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2019 01:09 PM (cEsBM)

24 There have been so many examples of this - Tulsi Gabbard during the debate, Steven Crowder's videos suppressed from searches - why is this still going on unimpeded???

I am so very tired of this "not us, the algorithm" as if people didn't build these GD algorithms.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2019 01:09 PM (bDqIh)

25 Hmm. Google says "most trusted news source" is The Economist. Didn't expect that.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (Ki5SV)

26 Duck Duck Go

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (flINI)

27 I looked up the basis for Jussie Smollet's claim in his suit against Chicago for Malicious Prosecution. Apparently it is all based on Jussie's claim that the two brothers who have confessed to the attack, and who were found with some of the items used in the "attack", actually had nothing to do with it, and that the City of Chicago talked them into making a fake confession just to make Jussie look bad.

Seriously, that's his claim.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (Kpl3J)

28 I stopped donating to the HF when they shit-canned DeMint (who may, or may not, have had it coming - never been clear to me). Still get almost monthly requests to "renew my membership".

Last month I wrote them back stating in gruesome detail why I cannot ever envision a reason why I would ever send them another dime of my take-home pay. Reaboi's tweet, above, pretty much summarizes the first point I made.

They're slightly less of a grift than was KristolMeth and Jonah the Whale, bot only slightly.

Posted by: DocJ at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (DU2N9)

29 I use DuckDuckGo for searches. Been doing so for years. Google collects enough on me without me being an active participant in it.

And Google's motto of "don't be evil"... you know who has to remind themselves to not be evil? People doing evil things.

Posted by: can of spam at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (g0aRc)

30 We should though build a social media site / search engine just for the purpose of banning any inkling of liberal thought. That's how you get the politician's to pay attention and do something about equal access .

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (2DOZq)

31 @18 " Under oath doesn't mean a damned thing anymore. Feel free to lie your ass off at any time during your testimony. There will be zero repercussions."

Actually Good Ol' Wm Jefferson helped moved the Overton Window on that in my opinion. When the left had to choose between preserving the value of a legal oath vs giving one of their own a mulligan you could practically hear societal norms creaking and shifting. They were right to impeach him for lying, wrong not to remove.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (koNhm)

32 Many at Google really need to learn what oppression is. 10 years hard in a Siberian gulag. l

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (Dp5C+)

with all the H1Bs working there you'd think they'd be familiar with the concept...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 20, 2019 01:11 PM (8D42x)

33 25 Hmm. Google says "most trusted news source" is The Economist. Didn't expect that.

They're warmists, remainers, they hew to the Establishment line up and down.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:11 PM (8erNz)

34 Listening to Rush on WBAP. The top of the hour news just spouted exact democrat talking points about the hearing.

Posted by: DanMan at November 20, 2019 01:11 PM (XTiHL)

35 Seriously, that's his claim.
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Sounds reasonable to me!

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge Transplant to Chicago at November 20, 2019 01:11 PM (QsyhO)

36 23 Google id probably the worse of all of them. And This prick Wallace on FOX is almost as bad as anyone on cnn and msnbc
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Chris is but one more nepot that we are supposed to revere. Our criminal class have taken up aristocratic practices.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 01:11 PM (yRAFu)

37 Social Credit is good for you comrade.

Posted by: Abzod at November 20, 2019 01:11 PM (P/aDH)

38 Gee, bailing on the 'Don't be evil' motto was a big clue for me.

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at November 20, 2019 01:11 PM (X+a7J)

39 Well time for lunch.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2019 01:12 PM (Dp5C+)

40 28 I stopped donating to the HF when they shit-canned DeMint (who may, or may not, have had it coming - never been clear to me). Still get almost monthly requests to "renew my membership".

Same here - they used to have good ideas, now it looks like they're only interested in milking that cash cow as long as they can.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 01:12 PM (Kpl3J)

41 33 25 Hmm. Google says "most trusted news source" is The Economist. Didn't expect that.

They're warmists, remainers, they hew to the Establishment line up and down.
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It once was good. But that was in the 1970s.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 20, 2019 01:12 PM (yRAFu)

42 I use DuckDuckGo for searches. Been doing so for years. Google collects enough on me without me being an active participant in it.

And Google's motto of "don't be evil"... you know who has to remind themselves to not be evil? People doing evil things.
Posted by: can of spam at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (g0aRc)
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DDG (and their short-form URL of 'ddg.gg' - which is easier to type) works well. I still revert to Google for purely technical searches I need to do my job. Google still seems to do a better job on the focused technical queries. At this point, many others are better in the other areas.

And they walked back that "don't be evil" slogan a long time ago. It has vanished.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 01:12 PM (I2dne)

43 This whole being bought by rich billionaires thing depresses me more than angers me.
..........
The media has been owned (and thus the message) by billionaires since the beginning of this country!

Nothing new here..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2019 01:12 PM (so+oy)

44 They're being very naughty. I wonder when they will turn on the Democrats for being insufficiently politically reliable?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet says Flatulus Toxicus is The Silent Killer! at November 20, 2019 01:12 PM (hLRSq)

45 Google's new motto: F*ck it, be evil!

Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at November 20, 2019 01:13 PM (g+JC1)

46 Google has paid off every politician in DC. I see this going no where.

Posted by: Galil at November 20, 2019 01:13 PM (Pzzpr)

47 12 Can we charge Sundar Pichai with Totally Serious Lying to Congress?
Barr? Anyone?
Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (koNhm)

I doubt if Pelosi would go for this

Posted by: CN at November 20, 2019 01:13 PM (U7k5w)

48 I don't use the googler, but I had a terrible time getting rid of it as my search engine and it still tries to sneak in occasionally.

Posted by: huerfano at November 20, 2019 01:13 PM (9dnxb)

49 Blue and White leader Benny Gantz informed President Reuven Rivlin on Wednesday evening that he did not succeed in forming a governing coalition.
Gantz returned the mandate four hours before the midnight deadline.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2019 01:13 PM (cEsBM)

50 Listening to Rush on WBAP. The top of the hour news just spouted exact democrat talking points about the hearing.

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Not only have the walls moved in, they have collapsed.

Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 01:13 PM (sX1BW)

51 with all the H1Bs working there you'd think they'd be familiar with the concept...

So when we start hijacking the white buses and herding them into pens they'll be familiar with the drill and won't protest too much?

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:13 PM (8erNz)

52 It's beyond an algorithm. Google maintains a curated blacklist of sites that they will never show results for, including Infowars and the Daily Stormer. Whatever the SPLC decides people should never be allowed to see.

This is why I have to laugh whenever anyone is aghast at the Chinese or Iranians censoring their internet, as if it's not happening in America. It's just been outsourced to the private sector.

Posted by: KRockFM at November 20, 2019 01:14 PM (FdFwH)

53 34 Listening to Rush on WBAP. The top of the hour news just spouted exact democrat talking points about the hearing.
Posted by: DanMan at November 20, 2019 01:11 PM (XTiHL)

And this is what most people are hearing and reading.

Posted by: CN at November 20, 2019 01:14 PM (U7k5w)

54 Anti-Trust, plox.

Also, make every employee register as a Foreign Agent of the Chinese Government.

Posted by: Allie at November 20, 2019 01:14 PM (UnA8+)

55 And now they have all your health records.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at November 20, 2019 01:14 PM (uGHnY)

56 >>"We do not manually interfere with search results." Probably true, when
narrowly defined. "We manually interfere with the algorithm that
produces search results" is a slightly different point. They still lied,
but they lied in a Congress-friendly way.


They maintain blacklists, which affect what is included in the search results.

And of course they do, because other countries' governments, such as China, require them too. The technology, the capability exists. They're just getting all creative with it here in the US.

I'd also like to know who in US government they are in contact with re: influencing search results, suspending YT content, etc. Enough Democrats have openly demanding tech companies do this openly for there not to be a lot more happening behind the scenes.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2019 01:14 PM (bDqIh)

57 Top 75!

Posted by: Archer at November 20, 2019 01:15 PM (gmo/4)

58 31 @18 " Under oath doesn't mean a damned thing anymore. Feel free to lie your ass off at any time during your testimony. There will be zero repercussions."

Actually Good Ol' Wm Jefferson helped moved the Overton Window on that in my opinion. When the left had to choose between preserving the value of a legal oath vs giving one of their own a mulligan you could practically hear societal norms creaking and shifting. They were right to impeach him for lying, wrong not to remove.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (koNhm)

There's another, long term factor. Oaths made sense in a society where the vast majority of the people had deep religious beliefs. Even though they differ, just about all religions agree about the seriousness of oaths and such.

But in a society where no one believes in anything beyond themselves, what's an oath? Just words, nothing more. No better, no worse than any other words. Nice if it makes foolish people think you're serious.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 01:15 PM (Kpl3J)

59 Google id probably the worse of all of them. And This prick Wallace on FOX is almost as bad as anyone on cnn and msnbc

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2019 01:09 PM (cEsBM)

Outside of their evening lineup, FNC is virtually indistinguishable from CNN and MSDNC.

Posted by: DocJ at November 20, 2019 01:15 PM (DU2N9)

60 Google lied?!?
Oh, no...

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at November 20, 2019 01:15 PM (XiQ9r)

61 I use DuckDuckGo for searches. Been doing so for years. Google collects enough on me without me being an active participant in it.
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Posted by: can of spam at November 20, 2019 01:10 PM (g0aRc)
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This was the greatest bald-faced "lie lie" that Google and Facebook told at the congressional hearings last year. They asserted that they can do what they want because their users accepted their terms of service. When asked directly if they compile information on people *who are not members* and use it, they all said no.

That was a lie. Their cookies and social media buttons track you constantly. I am not a Facebook user, so they don't explicitly know who I am necessarily, but they sure know all about me thanks to all of the cookies and pingbacks. I never agreed to their terms of service, yet they still have a probably very complete dossier on me.

When they got away with telling such an obvious lie, the fix was very clearly in. The state prefers the informal social credit system and treasure-trove databases that these fuckers are building far more than they prefer justice, honesty, liberty, etc.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 01:15 PM (I2dne)

62 I listen to some podcasts run by liberals that don't directly involve politics. One in particular is a philosophy podcast called Very Bad Wizards which I find entertaining.

One thing I found interesting is that on multiple occasions, they've talked about articles written by people in tech on topics like self-driving cars or whatever, where somebody has to write a program that would have to make an ethical decision. They've expressed exacerbation when the people in tech doing these things say things like "It's nonpartisan" or "we're not making an ethical judgement, we're just following the science" even when the actual results end up being the ones they agree with. It seems like lots of people in tech have such a poor philosophical foundation that they don't even realize that they are making philosophical and ethical assumptions that come out in the way they write their code.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 01:15 PM (KUaJL)

63 Google needs to be broken up. Search functions are so ubiquitous as to be functionally a utility. Put the government in charge of it. They'll still try to skew everything, they'll just be way less competent at it.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at November 20, 2019 01:15 PM (jp0Bv)

64 The media has been owned (and thus the message) by billionaires since the beginning of this country!

You know how the CIA has that wall of awards that no one gets to see?

Well, we have one too (you think we'd let the CIA get one up on us?) and we've got Mary Bono Mack, Dianne Feinstein, and Fritz Hollings on ours...

Posted by: Disney at November 20, 2019 01:16 PM (8erNz)

65 I didn't shoot him.
I manually interfered with the bang switch what did it.

Posted by: Totes Honest Sundar Pichai totally not lying to Congress at November 20, 2019 01:16 PM (koNhm)

66 18 "Under oath doesn't mean a damned thing anymore. Feel free to lie your ass off at any time during your testimony. There will be zero repercussions."

This has been on full display in the current impeachment farce.

But it's worse that just lack of repercussions -- it's the expectation that your buddies working the back end of the system will "fix" things so that your lies become Truth substantiated by the authoritative factual record.

This has been the entire play of the Russian-Ukraine plot -- establish a narrative circle jerk and have some guys write up the authoritative facts to justify it. The only reason it hasn't worked is that they're lazy and incompetent.

But just wait until the DeepFake tech gets to a degree of convenience where they can just fabricate anything wholesale...you know they're thinking it; you know that's the next step. It's been the "next step" since Stalin's airbrushed photos...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 20, 2019 01:16 PM (Hi8cV)

67 Duck duck go user here.

Posted by: Archer at November 20, 2019 01:16 PM (gmo/4)

68 In regards to the "build your own networks crowd"...Gab did that. I know some people don't like them because icky people use that site but they did it...and then:

Their hosting service dropped them.
Their backup hosting service dropped them.
Their domain registrar dropped them.
Their payment processor dropped them.

Every time they got a new system in place...boom, all of a sudden they got dropped by someone else.

It's almost like there's a concerted effort to control what you are permitted to see.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 20, 2019 01:16 PM (xQfPr)

69 I've been using Duckduckgo for a long time now and I'm very happy with it.

Posted by: Bitter Klinger at November 20, 2019 01:16 PM (AZ4Ye)

70 Outside of their evening lineup, FNC is virtually indistinguishable from CNN and MSDNC.
Posted by: DocJ at November 20, 2019 01:15 PM (DU2N9)

there was a time I would have argued with you on that. There was a time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2019 01:17 PM (cEsBM)

71 There's another, long term factor. Oaths made sense in a society where the vast majority of the people had deep religious beliefs. Even though they differ, just about all religions agree about the seriousness of oaths and such.

But in a society where no one believes in anything beyond themselves, what's an oath? Just words, nothing more. No better, no worse than any other words. Nice if it makes foolish people think you're serious.

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Take it a step further. Where one side's religion is their progressive belief. To side against them - even in search of the truth - is blasphemy.

In their perverted belief system, it would be immoral to lie if it meant going against the progressive worldview.

Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 01:17 PM (sX1BW)

72

Old Gooogl: Don't be evil.

New Gooogl: Don't be evil. That's our job.

Posted by: mindful webworker - spit in the ocean at November 20, 2019 01:17 PM (5RITs)

73 They maintain blacklists, which affect what is included in the search results.

And of course they do, because other countries' governments, such as China, require them too. The technology, the capability exists. They're just getting all creative with it here in the US.

I'd also like to know who in US government they are in contact with re: influencing search results, suspending YT content, etc. Enough Democrats have openly demanding tech companies do this openly for there not to be a lot more happening behind the scenes.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2019 01:14 PM (bDqIh)
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Yup. The blacklist is part of the algorithm and thus "not manual."

Make the entire population of Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. register under FARA and disclose. If what they're doing isn't lobbying at the grandest scale imaginable, I don't know what else would qualify.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 01:17 PM (I2dne)

74 The conservative case for soul-selling whores taking a paycheck (definitely not to be confused with grifting or quid pro quoing).

Posted by: ShainS -- it's the at November 20, 2019 01:17 PM (bJ1Sx)

75 "Joe Biden gropes little girls." Vox is first link. Yep. Virtual dictatorship.

Posted by: Dennis the Peasant at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (BrfST)

76 It's duck duck go for me too.

Posted by: CN at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (U7k5w)

77 >>67
Duck duck go user here.

I believe Google bought them a few months ago.

StartPage user here.

Posted by: Galil at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (Pzzpr)

78 Googles maths just doesn't add up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=msDuNZyYAIQ

Posted by: squirrelly dan at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (HRtgq)

79 Google lied?

Next you'll tell me Youtube isn't demonetizing conservative channels and Facebook is censoring and removing accounts of prominent conservatives.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (qC1Sy)

80 Look, I agree with the philosophy that if you don't like the behavior of Google (or Facebook, or Twitter)...you should create your own platform to further competitive capitalism thus creating a more fluid market that forces the offending entities to change their ways or get pigeon holed into a smaller niche.

Here's the problem. Silicon Valley is conspiring together to assure that is an impossibility. When an upstart challenges one of their chosen group, the other entities circle the wagons and disallow that new company a foothold. For example, Paypal will refuse to do business with them as will every other "chosen" payment processing entity. It's textbook violation of the RICO Act. The only way to compete on a lucrative level would be for a massive investment in the process. You'd need your own server farms. You'd need your own payment processing. And, of course, you would require you own innovative software platform. And, if you think Silicon Valley won't orchestrate an aggressive Civil Suit barrage challenging every single aspect of your platform as a violation of their own patented software, you are fooling yourself. They have a stranglehold on all potential competition simply because they conspire to do so. And, no one tells them they are breaking the law in that regard...so they keep doing it and stifling the free market....purposefully.

Posted by: Orson at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (V+o6A)

81 Babylon Bee is best snark

Posted by: jsg at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (C7gze)

82 Algorithms?, Yea Senator, the Family has a lot of Algorithms.

Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (FhXTo)

83 yeah, too many fake conservative outfits are going the way National Review went back in 1990 or so, when they denounced Americanism and exiled Patriots that believed in God and Country instead of NR's Global Free Trade mantra.

(and actually, these "zombie conservative orgs" are not really zombies ... they were enemy sleeper agents from the get go, imo. But zombie in that their false identity is now dead, yet they keep pretending to be alive)

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (Cus5s)

84 Google has a American Indian Network.

https://tinyurl.com/tyd2mqp

The company I work for actually installed and maintains the service for this community. Doesn't look like they are mentioned in most of the articles.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 20, 2019 01:19 PM (JKNZq)

85 The Heritage Foundation has a well-earned reputation for the seriousness and practicality they bring to issues that directly impact whether we can go forward as a country the is roughly akin to bringing a dull-pointed Sharpie to a bar fight.

Posted by: DocJ at November 20, 2019 01:19 PM (DU2N9)

86 >>I can ignore them fine, but it'd sure be nice to have some sort of
intellectual organizations out there fighting for us, especially those
with historical ties to the movement.



Project Veritas

I know, not a think tank, but O'Keefe is not only catching them, but he's amassing an army of disaffected media and tech workers who now work for *him* now. Not academia, publict intellectuals/pontificators, but insiders with firsthand knowledge and experience.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2019 01:19 PM (bDqIh)

87
Many at Google really need to learn what oppression is. 10 years hard in a Siberian gulag. l

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2019 01:08 PM (Dp5C+)

with all the H1Bs working there you'd think they'd be familiar with the concept...
Posted by: SturmToddler at November 20, 2019 01:11 PM (8D42x)







Of course, every stinkin' Chinese H1B holder in the US only has it because the ChiCom junta has determined that they are politically reliable enough to work overseas.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2019 01:19 PM (kw0bd)

88 In regards to the "build your own networks crowd"...Gab did that. I know some people don't like them because icky people use that site but they did it...and then:

Their hosting service dropped them.
Their backup hosting service dropped them.
Their domain registrar dropped them.
Their payment processor dropped them.

Every time they got a new system in place...boom, all of a sudden they got dropped by someone else.

It's almost like there's a concerted effort to control what you are permitted to see.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 20, 2019 01:16 PM (xQfPr)
++++++++++++++++
Yes, this is a crucial point. You *can't* "build your own" because they will corner you and kick you out every time.

Most of these companies are monopolies or near-monopolies in their own spaces.

Together, though, they form a cartel. The actively collude in restraint of trade.

You can't swing a cat in Silicon Valley without hitting an antitrust violation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 01:19 PM (I2dne)

89 > They claim "it's the algorithm," but the algorithm is made -- and repeatedly tweaked and biased -- by intentional human action.


Yes. The "it's the algorithm" nonsense fools only idiots and members of Congress (but I repeat myself).
if(site-is-not-full-communist){ pagerank = 100000000000000;}

That's an algorithm.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 20, 2019 01:19 PM (oQp6r)

90 Heritage, huh. I rank them right up there with AEI as corporatist tools. From wiki:

The health insurance mandate in the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is an idea hatched in 1989 by Stuart Butler at Heritage in a publication titled "Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans".[26] This was also the model for Mitt Romney's health care plan in Massachusetts.[27]

Yeah, thanks a bunch, Heritage. When DeMint left the Senate in 2012 to head up the joint, I had some hopes for the place, but the insiders finally ran him off in 2017. He probably had too many icky conservative ideas. That just won't do.

As to Google, Fuck Google. I think that should be their full name.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2019 01:19 PM (Z4rgH)

91 And Google's motto of "don't be evil"... you know who has to remind themselves to not be evil? People doing evil things.

In fairness, they define evil as conservative.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 20, 2019 01:19 PM (xQfPr)

92 Those algorithms are strong swimmers.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at November 20, 2019 01:20 PM (HRtgq)

93 Back in 2016 typing in google

Hillary Clinton Cr(imes) returned Hillary Clinton Creme Brulee Recipe

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 20, 2019 01:20 PM (JFO2v)

94 It's not "blacklisting", it's a "listing of color."

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2019 01:20 PM (7HtZB)

95 12 xnycpeasant

I'm pretty upset that Stone will be imprisoned for the rest of his life for lying to Congress over nothing of substance, but all the tech oligarchs blatantly lie about important matters and they are untouchable.

Posted by: Ever at November 20, 2019 01:20 PM (ZZDMQ)

96 I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan. With Jen Rubin declaringin 2017 at WAPO that the Gay Marriage debate had been Won!

Forget the CA votes, the will of the people...the debate had been declared won by the bought and paid for Conservatives!!! A mere two years later, people here agree. It make one wonder if it really was a matter of principle for you, or exactly what Justice kennedy accused you of. You suck, Boomers.

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:20 PM (Fxgkp)

97 They claim "it's the algorithm..."

Right.

Everything a computer of any kind does at any level is following hard or soft code - algorithms.

It's not impersonal. So many times a week I encounter some failure of high-tech ware and, you know, it's not the hardware as a rule.

"Blame the programmers." -Guru Radd Dadd

Posted by: mindful webworker - well short my circuits and call me vaporware at November 20, 2019 01:21 PM (5RITs)

98 Google aggregators.
I pull development permits in the Houston area for several clients. As such my name and phone number show up as the contact for the developments.

Google aggregators cull through the local records, forward the data to Google and the annoying calls come rolling in from all over the country.

"Please do not hang up. Your business is not registered with Google..."

Every now and then I will go ahead and play along and a real person will come on if I push enough buttons. They tell me they have available front page space if I will register (pay).

I tell them I don't want to be registered. "But you will not be able to attract new customers if your business isn't registered!" They helpfully explain.

When I tell them I don't want any new customers they don't know what to say.

Posted by: DanMan at November 20, 2019 01:21 PM (XTiHL)

99
OT/

Sondland is weak. A scared puppy who is so eager not to commit perjury he is reflexively agreeing to characterizations of OTHER people's testimony and speculations.

And hiis body language is terrible! Fidgety as fuck.

And why the fuck give an opening statement at all? Make the questioners waste time drawing out those details.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 20, 2019 01:21 PM (Xqo6t)

100 Hillary Clinton Cr(imes) returned Hillary Clinton Creme Brulee Recipe

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She sent it to Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell.

Posted by: SH at November 20, 2019 01:21 PM (sX1BW)

101 >>
Look, I agree with the philosophy that if you don't like the behavior of
Google (or Facebook, or Twitter)...you should create your own platform
to further competitive capitalism thus creating a more fluid market that
forces the offending entities to change their ways or get pigeon holed
into a smaller niche.

Here's the problem. Silicon Valley is conspiring together to assure that is an impossibility.




Yep. just look at how Gab and 8kun have been attacked/kneecapped at every turn.


Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2019 01:21 PM (bDqIh)

102 Of course, every stinkin' Chinese H1B holder in the US only has it because the ChiCom junta has determined that they are politically reliable enough to work overseas.

Not entirely true, but not far off.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:22 PM (8erNz)

103 I feel an algorithm brewing.

Posted by: Eric Fartswell at November 20, 2019 01:22 PM (vtcmf)

104 Well, they say: "Build your own internet, peons."

So build your own infrastructure, network, etc. Yeah, that'll work.

Not. Serious.

Posted by: DocJ at November 20, 2019 01:22 PM (DU2N9)

105 "Google answered my query with a page full of media hits on Solomon -- including from the ostensibly-authoritative trash website Daily Beast -- attacking his credibility."


Doesn't kept man Matt K. Lewis work for The Daily Beast? He is their gimp. They pull him out of his cage to bash conservatives and then shove him back in.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 20, 2019 01:22 PM (OD2ni)

106 > "Please do not hang up. Your business is not registered with Google..."


Some, probably most, of those are scam artists pretending to be Google.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 20, 2019 01:22 PM (oQp6r)

107 Outside of their evening lineup, FNC is virtually indistinguishable from CNN and MSDNC.
Posted by: DocJ at November 20, 2019 01:15 PM (DU2N9)

there was a time I would have argued with you on that. There was a time
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2019 01:17 PM


FN Radio is now indistinguishable from MSNBC. It's painful to listen to.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2019 01:22 PM (ejd/p)

108 SH, I called wpab about their news cast claiming PDT had a shadow government in Ukraine.

I asked if any of them had ever read the Constitution. They pulled the report right after my call.

Call the news tip hotline and Tell Them.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2019 01:23 PM (fmXEO)

109 The lawyers running my late mother-in-law's foundation just distributed 13 million dollars the other night at a ceremony remembering her.

That was suppose to be my lying on the beach money.

No, I didn't attend. I share Ace's disgust at old ladies writing checks.

Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2019 01:23 PM (U6f/q)

110 2 AM No Knock raids on all of them for lying to congress.

New rules

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at November 20, 2019 01:23 PM (pw+jk)

111 >>> The "conservative" organization which deceives old people into thinking Heritage will "fight for conservatism" if they include a generous bequeathment to this corrupt organization in their wills?
Well, they say: "Build your own internet, peons."

Apparently the fun pedes at The_Donald are seeing signs on the wall that Reddit is laying the groundwork to kill their sub entirely, not just quarantine it, because they dared post the whistleblower's name there. (Never mind other Reddit subs posted his name and aren't being threatened the same way. The left never plays fair.)

They are looking at alternate platforms like Discord. but it sucks the left created a monopoly on social media, or turn supposedly neutral social media platforms into the leftist borg.

Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2019 01:23 PM (hvf9s)

112

Never donated to them.


Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2019 01:24 PM (vEIlU)

113 Sondland is weak. A scared puppy who is so eager not to commit perjury he is reflexively agreeing to characterizations of OTHER people's testimony and speculations.

I heard some of his testimony earlier on NPR, he sounds like a truly useless human being.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:24 PM (8erNz)

114 > And Google's motto of "don't be evil"

They dropped that motto around the time they went into the advertising business.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 20, 2019 01:24 PM (oQp6r)

115 You know when I KNEW google was evil?
When google ran a marketing campaign to say don't be evil.
Good people don't do that. Evil people do that.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at November 20, 2019 01:26 PM (pw+jk)

116 ----
Posted by: DanMan at November 20, 2019 01:21 PM (XTiHL)


Wow, you've got a whole lot more patience than I do. I have an ancient and heavy steel desk and I usually wait to hear which number to push for a real person. When they pick up I whack the talking end of the receiver against the desk 3 or 4 times, then hang up. Work for an evil company, win hearing loss.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at November 20, 2019 01:26 PM (kUmUV)

117 96 I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan. With Jen Rubin declaringin 2017 at WAPO that the Gay Marriage debate had been Won!

Forget the CA votes, the will of the people...the debate had been declared won by the bought and paid for Conservatives!!! A mere two years later, people here agree. It make one wonder if it really was a matter of principle for you, or exactly what Justice kennedy accused you of. You suck, Boomers.
Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:20 PM (Fxgkp)


Oh fuck you. A single quote from the blind squirrel finding a nut and we're in love with him? Bull shit.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (SjIcT)

118 If you really want to be unsettled by big tech, watch this recent PBS Frontline episode on AI.


Frontline: In the Age of AI
Season 2019, Episode 5 --- FRONTLINE
investigates the promise and perils of artificial intelligence, from
fears about work and privacy to rivalry between the U.S. and China. The
documentary traces a new industrial revolution that will reshape and
disrupt our lives, our jobs and our world, and allow the emergence of
the surveillance society.https://preview.tinyurl.com/yyqptk79

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (bDqIh)

119 106 > "Please do not hang up. Your business is not registered with Google..."

Hang up on anyone who says not to hang up. Simple as that.

Unless it's that ex-girlfriend from thirty years ago.

Weird experience: my first real girlfriend had a somewhat unusual first name, and I had occasion to see that name calendared for a meeting somewhere I was going to be. I spent hours pondering...in the end, it wasn't.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (8erNz)

120 Free enterprise is not the answer when there is not a level playing
field. This is just corporate overlords imposing there will on the
defenseless without the defenseless being aware of whats going
on, which makes it even more insidious.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (u6xw0)

121 According to the knowledgeable commentators over at Democratic Underground, the walls are coming off and the wheels are closing in on "Drumpf".

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (qzF84)

122 Chuck Ross @ChuckRossDC
3h
Trivia: Robert Luskin, who is the Sondland lawyer sitting to his right, is also representing Stefan Halper.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (BqBId)

123 Republic status:

Dead [X]
Not Dead [ ]

Posted by: Guzalot at November 20, 2019 01:28 PM (prSvo)

124 117 Oh fuck you. A single quote from the blind squirrel finding a nut and we're in love with him? Bull shit.
Posted by: Buzzion at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (SjIcT)

It just comes off as "Everyone's a troll but meeeee! I'm the last true Groyperrrrrr!" crap.

Posted by: Allie at November 20, 2019 01:28 PM (UnA8+)

125 I got something for google to search. *bbblllaaaaappppp*

Posted by: Eric Swalwell at November 20, 2019 01:28 PM (9c5tq)

126 Pixie very picky today.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 20, 2019 01:28 PM (u6xw0)

127 121 According to the knowledgeable commentators over at Democratic Underground, the walls are coming off and the wheels are closing in on "Drumpf".
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (qzF84)

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"He'll be gone by Thanksgiving and Romney will be the deciding vote to give House Democrats the bare majority to remove Trump from office. This vote will also take out Pence, giving the presidency to Nancy."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:28 PM (q80AH)

128 117 96 I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan. With Jen Rubin declaringin 2017 at WAPO that the Gay Marriage debate had been Won!

Andrew Sullivan is one rung above David Frum.

Presumably Frum has his tongue out.

You can all return to your lunches now.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:28 PM (8erNz)

129 > Work for an evil company, win hearing loss.

Again, those are bush-league scammers, not Google.

Google doesn't sell guaranteed "front page rank", at least not at a price you or I can afford.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (oQp6r)

130 American Enterprise Institute
The Heritage Foundation
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce


What do these 3 organizations have in common?

Posted by: monkey at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (CLteG)

131 tl;dr...right?

why bother, perjury laws only get applied to republicans.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (FEQY4)

132 They do this deliberately. They claim "it's the algorithm," but the algorithm is made -- and repeatedly tweaked and biased -- by intentional human action.

When I worked for the psychopaths, the firm did a lot of tractor trailer litigation. Document retention was always a huge fight and the companies never ever ever kept the documents that were supposed to be kept. The response every time was "The computer deletes that automatically."

Yeah. No. The computer program which was purchased by the company and with settings determined by the IT administrator executed the programming functions that were programmed by actual human beings.

There is no such thing as "the computer did it".

Outlook is still possessed by demons tho.

Oh and any article about build your own social network/search engine/ISP/banking system that does not include a discussion of what happened to GAB when GAB did exactly that is not a serious article.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (mf5HN)

133 Nuke Silicon Valley.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (NWiLs)

134 Who's the turkey baster?

Posted by: SMH at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (RU4sa)

135 I heard some of his testimony earlier on NPR, he sounds like a truly useless human being.
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Well, then he's perfectly suited for his workplace.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (vg8iE)

136 You can sort give Heritage a pass because they've almost literally never seen a mega-corporation that they think should be broken up. It's a Reagan-era ideological legacy to oppose any and all anti-trust enforcement.

But Zombie Reaganism just doesn't have the answers to the current Big Tech monopolies with their potential(?) stranglehold on information itself.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (hdzef)

137 > Presumably Frum has his tongue out.


Frum needs to be declared persona non grata and deported back to Canada.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (oQp6r)

138 135 I heard some of his testimony earlier on NPR, he sounds like a truly useless human being.
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Well, then he's perfectly suited for his workplace.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (vg8iE)

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I should apply to the State Department...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (q80AH)

139 I saw Gigantic DC Donation-Leech Pink and Plump open for the Freelance Whales at the Himalayan Yak in '09.

Posted by: ShainS -- it's the at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (iOigv)

140 Cool - just discovered that Trump will be a block away this afternoon. Going to wander over and see how many protesters show up.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (lD3vL)

141 Nuke Silicon Valley.
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I tried....

Posted by: Max Zorin at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (vg8iE)

142 Trivia: Robert Luskin, who is the Sondland lawyer sitting to his right, is also representing Stefan Halper.

Sometimes I think that the solution to DC is much like the solution to, say, Chicago gang crime.

There's a hundred people who are responsible for 50% of the evil, and if you just took them out and shot them, you'd fix most of the problem.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (8erNz)

143 I just tried the John Solomon thing. Wow.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (E+OcO)

144 134 Who's the turkey baster?
Posted by: SMH at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (RU4sa)

Sasha and Malaria's daddy.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (NWiLs)

145 and here are the results of search for "john solomon" on duckduckgo:

john solomon the hill

john solomon wikipedia

john solomon twitter

john solomon reports

john solomon muckrake

john solomon washington times

etc., etc.

Posted by: mjc at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (Pg+x7)

146 Speaking of google...


Fun fact:

For those wondering what's up with Drudge, drudge sold controlling interests in his site to a google controlled websense company.

Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at November 20, 2019 01:31 PM (lgAXm)

147 >>> articles written by people in tech on topics like self-driving cars or whatever, where somebody has to write a program that would have to make an ethical decision. They've expressed exacerbation when the people in tech doing these things say things like "It's nonpartisan" or "we're not making an ethical judgement, we're just following the science" even when the actual results end up being the ones they agree with.

I will not be surprised if "run anyone over wearing a MAGA hat" gets programmed into the code for self driving cars.

Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2019 01:31 PM (hvf9s)

148 142
Sometimes I think that the solution to DC is much like the solution to, say, Chicago gang crime.

There's a hundred people who are responsible for 50% of the evil, and if you just took them out and shot them, you'd fix most of the problem.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (8erNz)

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This is the hope of what the IG Report and Durham's work will lead to.

Fingers crossed!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:31 PM (q80AH)

149 ... (in order)

Posted by: mjc at November 20, 2019 01:31 PM (Pg+x7)

150 I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan.

I'm not gay and so never will be in love with Andrew Sullivan.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 01:31 PM (WI7YS)

151 OT but bwahaha -- Now the ex-mayor can write a new 'best seller', suggested title

Healthy Holly Figures Out How To Eat Right In Prison

Former Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh has been indicted on federal charges of wire fraud, tax evasion, and conspiracy to defraud the US, reported Fox 45 News Baltimore.

Pugh went missing in April after the FBI and IRS raided her home amid speculation, she was involved in a brazen kickback scheme involving sales of her "Healthy Holly" book series.

via ZH.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (Z4rgH)

152 DM, this is like... the lamest shadowrun campaign ever.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (KUaJL)

153 If the answer to someone who doesn't like Google's behavior and wants it changed is "go create your own (giant search engine)"....

...and Shaun King doesn't like the behavior of white Christian males...

...can I then tell him "go build your own (developed Western democracy)"...?

Posted by: Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (lTllX)

154 Nuke Silicon Valley.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 01:29 PM (NWiLs)

There was a City Councilman who wished he could do just that back in the 70s to eliminate the area's sprawling suburbs.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (htJYU)

155 I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan.

I'm not gay and so never will be in love with Andrew Sullivan.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 01:31 PM (WI7YS)


Heh.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (aS1PU)

156 I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan.

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Who?

Posted by: SMH at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (RU4sa)

157 Frum needs to be declared persona non grata and deported back to Canada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=Eu_d32N1HY0

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (8erNz)

158
Fun fact:

For those wondering what's up with Drudge, drudge sold controlling interests in his site to a google controlled websense company.
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how much gin can you buy with 100 million bucks?

Posted by: i'm guessing more than i can drink at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (foYbO)

159 156 I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan.

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Who?
Posted by: SMH at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (RU4sa)

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It's a collective guilt.

Now, FEEL BAD!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (q80AH)

160 From "Don't Be Evil: How Big Tech Betrayed It's Founding Principles."

"As John Battelle, who helped launch Wired magazine, once put it to me, 'The tech community doesn't have a good perspective on itself. We aren't humanissts or philosophers. We are engineers. To Google and Facebook, people are alogorithms.' ..."

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (Cus5s)

161 how much gin can you buy with 100 million bucks?
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Not nearly enough.

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (vg8iE)

162 I should apply to the State Department...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (q80AH)

_______


The first disqualifying interview question taking on their lie-detector: "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Republican Party?"

Posted by: ShainS -- it's the at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (iOigv)

163 Hmm, Ukraine MP's demand Trump and Zelenski investigate Ukraine - US corruption, 7.4 billion.

Posted by: teej at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (bIS0g)

164 Apparently Dana Perino was raised on a Fruit Ranch in Wyoming.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (yDWtO)

165 159 156 I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan.

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Who?
Posted by: SMH at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (RU4sa)

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It's a collective guilt.

Now, FEEL BAD!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (q80AH)

That's pretty much my default state so that's not fair!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (NWiLs)

166 Trivia: Robert Luskin, who is the Sondland lawyer sitting to his right, is also representing Stefan Halper.
The Lutefisk guy represents Steven Sondheim and Stephen Harper? Damn

Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (n13/j)

167 162 I should apply to the State Department...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (q80AH)

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The first disqualifying interview question taking on their lie-detector: "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Republican Party?"
Posted by: ShainS -- it's the at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (iOigv)

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"Never."
-100% truth. I've never lived in a state that required party registration

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (q80AH)

168 I will not be surprised if "run anyone over wearing a MAGA hat" gets programmed into the code for self driving cars.
Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2019 01:31 PM (hvf9s)



A year or so back, maybe a bit more, there was this web game going around twitter about oh hey go play with this thing where you have to decide who to plow down if your car goes out of control!

I went through two questions and said to myself, self, this is research for programmers of AI on self driving cars and that's not being disclosed to see how people will really respond.

Yuuuuuuuuppppp. Turned out to be a (an?) MIT experiment.

What the researchers discovered is that, when it is presented as a game, a pretty significant number of people will choose to plow down the most people possible, for the lulz.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (mf5HN)

169 Use duckduckgo.com

You can set them as your default search engine

Posted by: Greg Q at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (/0a60)

170 Apparently Dana Perino was raised on a Fruit Ranch in Wyoming.
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I went to a Fruit Ranch once. Didn't shit right for a month!

Posted by: Mayor Buttplug at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (vg8iE)

171 The first disqualifying interview question taking on their lie-detector: "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Republican Party?"
Posted by: ShainS -- it's the at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (iOigv)

Yeah, but... *leans in and whispers* I'm not like one of those republicans.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (KUaJL)

172 Need some help here. How do I send a link to a specific thread. I want to have someone see the moon moon thread and I'm such a klutz I'll never get it right?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (fmXEO)

173 "According to the knowledgeable commentators over at Democratic Underground, the walls are coming off and the wheels are closing in on "Drumpf".
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (qzF84)"


I have not visited that sewer since the Bush years. They were always being scammed by grifters promising they were "10 dollars away from bringing Bush down." Does that fat drunk Will Pitt still post there?

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 20, 2019 01:35 PM (OD2ni)

174 Be loud. Be proud.

Posted by: Eric the Swal at November 20, 2019 01:35 PM (qzF84)

175 >>> "As John Battelle, who helped launch Wired magazine, once put it to me, 'The tech community doesn't have a good perspective on itself. We aren't humanissts or philosophers. We are engineers. To Google and Facebook, people are alogorithms.' ..."

So they are finally admitting that all the major tech gurus are psychopaths...

Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2019 01:35 PM (hvf9s)

176 It's a collective guilt.

Now, FEEL BAD!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (q80AH)

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Sorry, I'm currently riding the Nope train to Fuckthatville.

Posted by: SMH at November 20, 2019 01:35 PM (RU4sa)

177 Posted by: SMH at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (RU4sa)

The gay guy/writer who was sort of , vaguely, somewhat conservative at one time and then was who was fixated on Sarah Palin's uterus,laiming Trig wasn't her son and who apparently said something sort of conservative yesterday.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 01:35 PM (WI7YS)

178 What the researchers discovered is that, when it is presented as a game, a pretty significant number of people will choose to plow down the most people possible, for the lulz.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (mf5HN)


Children and elderly are worth the most points.

Posted by: Frankenstein at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (wCmLp)

179 175 >>> "As John Battelle, who helped launch Wired magazine, once put it to me, 'The tech community doesn't have a good perspective on itself. We aren't humanissts or philosophers. We are engineers. To Google and Facebook, people are alogorithms.' ..."

So they are finally admitting that all the major tech gurus are psychopaths...
Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2019 01:35 PM (hvf9s)

========

Patrick Batemans all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (q80AH)

180 The first disqualifying interview question taking on their lie-detector: "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Republican Party?"
Posted by: ShainS -- it's the at November 20, 2019 01:33 PM (iOigv)
++++++++++++++++
"Yes, but I left the party and registered independent when I learned that they were a bunch of mewling totalitarians just like the other party, but were lying somewhat more effectively.

Do I get to go to round 2?"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (I2dne)

181 how much gin can you buy with 100 million bucks?



If not a majority share in a distillery, then one hell of a minority share.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (ob5xJ)

182 We better get IG Horowitz on this fast! How can Congress not go after Google after their testimony under oath? The DOJ should of course relinquish all authority to investigate this to an agency that has no power to indict.

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (Fxgkp)

183 Jesus, listening to the radio between Rush's breaks is infuriating. The one I just heard said "An earthquake called Sondland just landed in the impeachment hearings today.."

Holy hell.

Posted by: Defenestratus at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (9V81o)

184 Hmm, it seems I was wrong. The actual challenge was to google "what is the most honest news source." The answer was something called "The Catalyst," which I've never heard of.

No matter. Google is as trustworthy as Scankles saying "Hey, take a walk over through Fort Marcy Park. The fresh air is good for you!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (Ki5SV)

185 > I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan.

Nonsense. I realize that you are a communist troll with Beavis and Butthead-style adolescent bimodal judgment (where everything is either "cool" or it "sucks", with nothing in between), but it's possible to agree with one thing someone says without agreeing with everything that person says.
> You suck, Boomers.

Boomers invented the Internet and stared nuclear holocaust right in its goddamned face.


You millennials invented avocado toast and need therapy if someone forgets to call you "xim".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (oQp6r)

186 how much gin can you buy with 100 million bucks?

Posted by: i'm guessing more than i can drink at November 20, 2019 01:32 PM (foYbO)

________


"You'd think you could never burn through billions dollars in hookers and blow ... but you'd be wrong." -- Graft-Hunter Biden

Posted by: ShainS -- it's the at November 20, 2019 01:37 PM (iOigv)

187 Next you'll tell me Youtube isn't demonetizing conservative channels and Facebook is censoring and removing accounts of prominent conservatives.

Youtube's doing worse than that. Modern progressivism is animated by the rich being angry that they aren't actually better than us and that technology helped to boost a lot of people up to their level. So YouTube's new policies are intended to emphasize content from Hollywood studios and TV networks and de-emphasize content from everyone else, including their existing stable of YouTube stars.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2019 01:37 PM (ZGrMX)

188 Google controls 98% of all search engine traffic.

Standard Oil and ATandT never even came close to that level of monopoly

There is only one reason to oppose breaking them and fining them out of business--you're getting paid by them.

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at November 20, 2019 01:37 PM (k81AA)

189 We had a friend that should have written a cookbook on how to eat right in prison. You want the alternative meal (vegan/religious). It has more volume than the other meals. Then you use the money on your account and buy Cheetos. Crush those up to go on the salad. He would go on and on about it.

We are long overdue to RICO the tech companies. Not sure if it could be tackled any time soon.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 20, 2019 01:37 PM (JKNZq)

190
The billionaires and grifting government Marxists behind all this horseshit are coming after you. They're releasing the hounds and coming to your door.

Quadruple your property taxes. Get you fired from your job or even jailed for failing the New Pronoun Simon Says requirements. The New Americans displacing you. Your kids turned over to predators. Protected criminals attacking you in the street or breaking into your house and car. A new economic depression. This is what they want.

Every time I see the utterings of some moronic leftoid public figure, I keep in mind that they are in service of the above agenda.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 20, 2019 01:37 PM (AO1Nn)

191

Keep in mind: Sondland implied both Morrison and Volker are liars.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 20, 2019 01:37 PM (oIPis)

192 A year or so back, maybe a bit more, there was this web game going around twitter about oh hey go play with this thing where you have to decide who to plow down if your car goes out of control!

I went through two questions and said to myself, self, this is research for programmers of AI on self driving cars and that's not being disclosed to see how people will really respond.

Yuuuuuuuuppppp. Turned out to be a (an?) MIT experiment.

What the researchers discovered is that, when it is presented as a game, a pretty significant number of people will choose to plow down the most people possible, for the lulz.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (mf5HN)

The answer to the self-driving car thing is so obviously simple it's maddening to me that it's even a question.

The car protects whoever is in the car, because whoever is in the car is the person who bought the damn car.

Also, lol about the people trying to get a high score.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 01:38 PM (KUaJL)

193 I knew a guy who worked career with the state department. He was a hard core libertarian. He made me look milquetoast and I am right of Attila the Hun. I guess he liked the checks.

Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 01:38 PM (n13/j)

194 "I saw Gigantic DC Donation-Leech Pink and Plump open for the Freelance Whales at the Himalayan Yak in '09.
Posted by: ShainS -- it's the"


Confession time. I have donated to NRO's legal defense fund for Micheal Mann's BS lawsuit and do not regret it. I appreciated that Rich Lowry stood up to a bully and had Mark Steyn's back.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 20, 2019 01:38 PM (OD2ni)

195 Andrew Sullivan used to be very readable, but, when Sarah Palin dared to get above her station, he went nuts, like the rest of the media.

It appears to be that Mr. Sullivan is becoming readable, again, once in a while.

Still doesn't mean I trust Mr. Sullivan nor care for him very much.

Yet, agreement with a decent point = love?

Or, maybe turkey baster is just an idiot.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 20, 2019 01:39 PM (qC1Sy)

196 193 I knew a guy who worked career with the state department. He was a hard core libertarian. He made me look milquetoast and I am right of Attila the Hun. I guess he liked the checks.
Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 01:38 PM (n13/j)

========

Ayn Rand collected social security.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:39 PM (q80AH)

197 Yuuuuuuuuppppp. Turned out to be a (an?) MIT experiment.

What the researchers discovered is that, when it is presented as a game, a pretty significant number of people will choose to plow down the most people possible, for the lulz.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (mf5HN)


Could have save time and effort by just watching people play Grand Theft Auto.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 20, 2019 01:39 PM (SjIcT)

198 So any actual "proof" that the Ukraine about indicting the head of Barissma? I've seen only rumors... and GP has it and he's not very reliable

Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 01:39 PM (6XlcD)

199 Need some help here. How do I send a link to a specific thread. I want to have someone see the moon moon thread and I'm such a klutz I'll never get it right?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2019 01:34 PM (fmXEO)


At the bottom of the post it will say posted by and then the time. Click on the time. That is the direct link for that thread.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2019 01:40 PM (mf5HN)

200 I knew a guy who worked career with the state department. He was a hard core libertarian. He made me look milquetoast and I am right of Attila the Hun. I guess he liked the checks.
Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 01:38 PM (n13/j)

Maybe he was the inspiration for Ron Swanson?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 01:40 PM (KUaJL)

201 No, its not nonsense you word play, reach around boomer fucks. Andrew Sullivan was celebrated a man of sticking to the analysis at hand. Was he? was he really? The man that fought and won the argument to change the fundamental union of the entirety of Western Civilization -That man? Was that man really someone the Right should look to in arguments of Trannyies and gays? Really, are you that fucking stupid? Are you that trusting? Are that much of a boomer cuck?

Or, are you admitting you are not of the right, and are, just like Jen Rubin, the right flank of the left?

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:40 PM (Fxgkp)

202 >>> I went through two questions and said to myself, self, this is research for programmers of AI on self driving cars and that's not being disclosed to see how people will really respond.

Ugh, creepy! And none of this will one day be used for nefarious purposes, no sir.

I remember how I felt the first time I realized the supposedly benign images that pop up on captcha questions (click on the streetlights, the crosswalks, the cars...) are to help AI recognize images better. Probably to help self driving cars. It creeps me out they are using us online for all these experiments and we get not disclosure about it and no say so.

Glad I got to see the infancy of the internet in its early wild west phase. That was a fun, more innocent time.

Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2019 01:40 PM (hvf9s)

203 You millennials invented avocado toast and need therapy if someone forgets to call you "xim".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (oQp6r)
---------------

I'm now trying to imagine the current snowflakes growing up under the shadow of nuclear war.

My imagination says this wouldn't be a pretty sight.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 20, 2019 01:41 PM (qC1Sy)

204 Any time I hear the word 'algorithm' know Im going to get screwed.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 01:41 PM (oY5lM)

205 alexthechick, Thank You so much.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2019 01:41 PM (fmXEO)

206 Posted by: Defenestratus at November 20, 2019 01:36 PM (9V81o)

I don't know about breaks with Rush, but whenever any local conservative talk station has "And now a break for news" I mute it because it's always the same leftist drivel.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 01:41 PM (WI7YS)

207 hold on, I have to find some really cute word play to go along with that, that will make my day. !

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:41 PM (Fxgkp)

208 Does that fat drunk Will Pitt still post there?
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 20, 2019 01:35 PM


Back before I could only tolerate a few minutes of exposure a month, he was bounced, readmitted, bounced, readmitted, and finally banned for good.

They truly are different over there. Comparatively, the drama there makes this place look like everyone is the epitome of unharshed mellow.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 20, 2019 01:42 PM (qzF84)

209 "As John Battelle, who helped launch Wired magazine, once put it to me, 'The tech community doesn't have a good perspective on itself. We aren't humanissts or philosophers. We are engineers. To Google and Facebook, people are alogorithms.' ..."

Well, yes and no. I should have written a book a decade ago.

Was in the belly of the beast at probably the first big search engine.

It was my guys who came up with the data that showed JUST HOW MANY OF OUR SEARCH QUERIES WERE FOR PORN-RELATED TOPICS.

The guys (and girls) who ran the search engine had ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what their traffic looked like, to them running the thing was a technical exercise. They could GAF about monetization. It was a technology demonstrator for a company that built hardware.

When a few organizational changes came along and suddenly revenue mattered, and we showed them where the revenue would come from, the antacids were consumed in bulk.

Then they reviewed their option grants and the vesting dates and quietly, cautiously, said 'yeah'.

You had the nerds, and you had the management nerds, but in the end everyone wanted to be rich nerds.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:42 PM (8erNz)

210 >>I will not be surprised if "run anyone over wearing a MAGA hat" gets programmed into the code for self driving cars.


Oh, don't get e started on self-driving cars, LOL!
Seems
to me that the only way they can make these even close to safe is to
put them on roads that are 100% self-driving. Easier to code when there
is one set of standard behaviors for a car vs. trying to create
responses to the myriad of possible unpredictable human behaviors, etc..


And if that happens, then people will likely stop owning cars (do you
really own it if you don't control it? why bother?), and THEN it will be
like Chinese social credit system or any current social media service
already, where you can be suspended based on a murky, ever-changing,
TOC. It will be: "No, I cannot drive you to that MAGA rally right now
because my programming says there is not currently a safe route."

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2019 01:42 PM (bDqIh)

211 It's not good to get into conversations with Turkey baster/trolls.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 01:43 PM (WI7YS)

212 Google controls 98% of all search engine traffic.



Standard Oil and ATandT never even came close to that level of monopoly



There is only one reason to oppose breaking them and fining them out of business--you're getting paid by them.

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at November 20, 2019 01:37 PM (k81AA)

The alternative should be to not play on their field. Why do we only play on their field and complain about how they control it. In the lead up to the American Revolution, the internet was a pub. Just saying. We often complain that the left has taken everything over. Well, maybe we should find other things they don't control.

btw, they broke up ma bell and I believe when all was said and done, stockholders received stock in over 70 companies. No one was destroyed even with the break up. If we break up silicon Valley companies, does that mean they new companies have to leave silicon valley and hire normals?

Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 01:43 PM (n13/j)

213 LOL... Sondland thought he was done lying, I mean testifying

Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2019 01:43 PM (6XlcD)

214 I didn't realize that Caitlyn was a lesbian.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7705575

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 20, 2019 01:43 PM (XzVUd)

215 That damned coffee mug is at it again.

Posted by: Eric Fartswell at November 20, 2019 01:43 PM (vtcmf)

216 Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:40 PM (Fxgkp)

Read this book: "How to make friends and influence people."

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 20, 2019 01:43 PM (aS1PU)

217 122 Chuck Ross @ChuckRossDC
3h
Trivia: Robert Luskin, who is the Sondland lawyer sitting to his right, is also representing Stefan Halper.
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (BqBId)


Oh, for fucks sake. No wonder his opening statement was crafted to comport with everything damaging the anti-damaging the other witnesses said. Layer probably told Sondland you have to back up what other's say about you or you could be in trouble.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (Xqo6t)

218
The car protects whoever is in the car, because whoever is in the car is the person who bought the damn car.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 01:38 PM


until that morning, when you get in your car & it does the retinal scan or whatever it does to verify it's you, & your car does a quick database check & see's you have an outstanding parking ticket & your car delivers you to the local police station instead of work

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (cuot+)

219 (WI7YS)

207 hold on, I have to find some really cute word play to go along with that, that will make my day. !
Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:41 PM (Fxgkp)


You're all having fun WRONG! Stop it! Stop it right now!!

Posted by: Buzzion at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (SjIcT)

220 What I see in the long term is that American society is increasingly diverging from the Constitutional basis on which it was founded.

Freedom of speech once reflecte, and guaranteed free expression and freedom of conscience in a society that largely valued it.

Today we have large swaths of those who are culturally non-American or anti-American (including native born indoctrinated youth) to the point that they just don't value what the constitution and law supposedly protects.

So in the main our society increasingly operates, day to day, without the values of free speech (cancel culture, doxing yesterdays contested policy as today's heresy, heckler's vetos on campus etc etc).

At their worst the anti-freedom crowd cynically games the law to advance unfreedom. The rest mostly just have a tin ear for the music of freedom vs the notes: believeing "the Constitution" will save them when they are not free in a meaningful sense in their own lives.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (koNhm)

221 ...presented as a game, a pretty significant number of people will choose to plow down the most people possible, for the lulz.

...Children and elderly are worth the most points.

Wheelchairs, baby carriages, elderly with grocery carts, and, of course, hobos, and the weighting can change according to many factors.

Posted by: mindful webworker - has driven many many hours at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (5RITs)

222 Any time I hear the word 'algorithm' know Im going to get screwed.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 01:41 PM


Dude, by not sending your bone home with you to make soup they screwed you.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (qzF84)

223 Rodrigo Borgia,

could not have said it better. And, should we ever get another "Great Depression", the die off will be horrific. These people don't even know how to cook, let alone grow food. Is there a Millennial's "back to the land" movement? of course not. They aren't makers, they are consumers.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (JKNZq)

224 The guys (and girls) who ran the search engine had ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what their traffic looked like, to them running the thing was a technical exercise. They could GAF about monetization. It was a technology demonstrator for a company that built hardware.

AltaVista? That was a great site, I preferred it to Google for as long as it was possible to.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (ZGrMX)

225 Posted by: DR.WTF at November 20, 2019 01:43 PM (aS1PU)

A fine book, even years after it was initially published.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 01:45 PM (WI7YS)

226 It is Gooble's purpose to correct your thinking. Look at what runs it.

Posted by: klaftern at November 20, 2019 01:45 PM (RuIsu)

227 So if conservative sites identify as liberal, what happens?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 20, 2019 01:45 PM (ayFCE)

228
Or, are you admitting you are not of the right, and are, just like Jen Rubin, the right flank of the left?

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:40 PM (Fxgkp)

"The right flank of the left". I like it PH, so I'm stealing it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 01:45 PM (oY5lM)

229 >>The car protects whoever is in the car, because whoever is in the car is the person who bought the damn car.



*cough* Tesla *cough*

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2019 01:45 PM (bDqIh)

230 227 So if conservative sites identify as liberal, what happens?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 20, 2019 01:45 PM (ayFCE)

========

Then the definition suddenly includes that you have to go through surgery.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 20, 2019 01:46 PM (q80AH)

231 The car protects whoever is in the car, because whoever is in the car is the person who bought the damn car.

Tesla sure got that part wrong.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2019 01:46 PM (ZGrMX)

232 Is Google a big corporation ?

It is ? Then it's working against your personal liberties in favor of its own. The bigger the company, the more that is true.

No matter what they say, they always do the same thing; blur the line between commerce and government in their favor and against the citizenry.

Sound too "leftist" ? These things ain't as simple as a number line.

Posted by: Lurking Libertarian at November 20, 2019 01:46 PM (fBFz0)

233 Or, are you admitting you are not of the right, and are, just like Jen Rubin, the right flank of the left?
Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:40 PM (Fxgkp)

Here is wisdom: You talk like a fag and your shit, it is all retarded.

Posted by: Boomer Cuck at November 20, 2019 01:47 PM (CLteG)

234 Today we have large swaths of those who are culturally non-American

or anti-American (including native born indoctrinated youth) to the point that they just don't value what the constitution and law supposedly protects.


They'll shit themselves the first time it is turned on them.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 01:47 PM (fBape)

235 You are welcome, Ben Had.


Could have save time and effort by just watching people play Grand Theft Auto.
Posted by: Buzzion at November 20, 2019 01:39 PM (SjIcT)


I stopped playing GTA not because it made me a sociopath but because it exposed how much of one I was and I was not comfortable with that knowledge.

Story time!

When the late, lamented BFF was first diagnosed with cancer, I moved up to take care of her and we thought this was going to be months long thing, not three weeks. As a result, I brought along my Xbox and various games, including GTAIV (the then most current).

One day, one of her cousins asked me if I cared if her son, who was 10, played my Xbox and I said no problem, what does he want to play. She said GTA. I stared at her and asked her if she knew what the game was and she said yes. I assumed her 10 year old had lied to her and I asked her if she knew that you played a gangster and the game involved things like shooting cops and running strings of hookers. She said oh it was fine he played it at home all the time. I said, that's nice, then he can play at home but not mine. No possible way.

I still cannot believe anyone would let a 10 year old play GTA.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2019 01:47 PM (mf5HN)

236 guess what, every facet of american life is blacklisting conservatives. FYI.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at November 20, 2019 01:47 PM (FEQY4)

237 Dude, by not sending your bone home with you to make soup they screwed you.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (qzF84)

. Wait is that a geek joke or a cannibal joke Dunc?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 01:47 PM (oY5lM)

238 AltaVista? That was a great site, I preferred it to Google for as long as it was possible to.

*cough* some people have a memory.

Yeah, something like that.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:48 PM (8erNz)

239 #25, for me it was several articles reporting polling on the question, with answers ranging from "The BBC, PBS, and Fox News" to "The Wall Street Journal" as the answers in them.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at November 20, 2019 01:48 PM (rGgyS)

240 The car protects whoever is in the car, because whoever is in the car is the person who bought the damn car.



*cough* Tesla *cough*

Posted by: Lizzy


Until it catches fire and locks you in.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 01:48 PM (fBape)

241 And another thing, you people seem to think Memes are just something you do for fun! Weeeeeee lets see who can make the cutest eva! script about Epstein. OK..thats real effective, lets use volume, rather than what worked in 2016-
Memes are a tool to mock the left, using their own facts, and turning them around on them, back in their faces. THEN and this is important, having a response ready to crush their responses to those memes. You dont have a clue what you're doing. I guess because you're all 65 and over, and remember when PBR came in quarter kegs, rather in bottles for hipsters. They'll be coming door to door for your firearms and you boomers will be content to make a really spiffy haiku about i t.

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:48 PM (Fxgkp)

242 I still cannot believe anyone would let a 10 year old play GTA.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2019 01:47 PM (mf5HN)

We know there are parents who are taking their children to drag queen story hour and forcing their kids into gender reassignment surgery.....

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2019 01:48 PM (KUaJL)

243 "You realize why the upper Midwest even HAS Democrats? Because the farmers who needed access to railroads or grain elevators were told to build their own."

My hometown in Ohio was told that in the late 1800s. So they did -- raised the money to run rails to the next town and get an engine to run on it. It's long-abandoned, but the station house is still there, and you can make out about half the length of the track in satellite photos.

I saw "Who's Who" type book for the area, and everyone involved in it made sure to mention that in their autobiographical sketches.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 20, 2019 01:49 PM (cUXDZ)

244 Ayn Rand collected social security.
You mean she got a super low return on a forced investment.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2019 01:49 PM (r+sAi)

245 "So they are finally admitting that all the major tech gurus are psychopaths.."Posted by: LizLem

right, a valid interpretation. And "manufacturing consent" has become "engineering global consent", not just with false flag events and fake news histrionics, but with more insidious control of search results, and shadow banning of the Patriotic.


They really have the ability to brainwash everyone into being drone workers for the globalist, fed video game gruel to malnourish the soul, and social justice religion as the new opiate of the masses.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2019 01:49 PM (Cus5s)

246 210 self driving car that is programmed to run over anyone wearing a MAGA hat.

Yes please! where do I get one.

Posted by: Chris Wallace at November 20, 2019 01:50 PM (LilNs)

247 Google is also biased this way in a non-political fashion as well -- they have a huge bias in favor of shopping sites that advertise with Google.

Just yesterday, I wanted to find the Web site of a small company that makes a specific electronic doodad I was looking for. Their URL is a no-brainer -- let's just say the company name is Aardvark Widgets, and the URL of their homepage is aarvarkwidgets.com. However, when I typed "Aardvark Widgets" in the Google search page, the first freaking FIFTY results were for shopping sites (like Amazon and eBay etc.) selling this or that widget made by the company. I think the company's own home page finally appeared on the third page of results. Ridiculous.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2019 01:50 PM (fK2gX)

248 "I still cannot believe anyone would let a 10 year old play GTA.
Posted by: alexthechick -"


We got my 16yo old an X-Box for making his Eagle Scout and we won't let him play that. Call of Duty is about as violent as we allow.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 20, 2019 01:50 PM (OD2ni)

249 Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:48 PM (Fxgkp)
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Santa needs to bring you a pair of pliers so you can remove that bug from your butt.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 20, 2019 01:51 PM (3Z6pZ)

250 Pixysaved from Italican overrun. Thx, Pixy.

* tosses a box of baking soda into the barrel *

Posted by: mindful webworker - the next person you help might be you at November 20, 2019 01:51 PM (5RITs)

251 to plow down the most people possible, for the lulz.

As lads the BrothersA and various neighbors played "Kill the Pedestrian" involving bikes and cross street running.

Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2019 01:51 PM (FhXTo)

252 >>> I'm now trying to imagine the current snowflakes growing up under the shadow of nuclear war.
My imagination says this wouldn't be a pretty sight.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 20, 2019 01:41 PM (qC1Sy)

I think this is credited to G Michael Hopf:

"Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard times"

Repeat an an infinity loop forever and that is civilization in a nutshell. America is in the "good times create weak men" stage of this cycle, bleeding into the next stage.

Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2019 01:51 PM (hvf9s)

253 I still cannot believe anyone would let a 10 year old play GTA.

There are more YouTube comments than I'm comfortable with from people saying they, for instance, watched their parents play through Resident Evil 2 when they were 3 years old. I was not yet 29 (but within range) when I first played RE2 and it scared the crap out of me.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2019 01:51 PM (ZGrMX)

254 Wait is that a geek joke or a cannibal joke Dunc?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 01:47 PM


EmbraceTheMagic = (GeekJoke() && CannibalJoke())

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 20, 2019 01:52 PM (qzF84)

255 Elon Musk makes major contribution to Astronomy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7706933

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 20, 2019 01:52 PM (XzVUd)

256 Santa needs to bring you a pair of pliers so you can remove that bug from your butt.

I believe we generally use the Jaws of Life for that.

https://www.jawsoflife.com/

Hydraulics is wonderful.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:52 PM (8erNz)

257
Posted by: Orson at November 20, 2019 01:18 PM (V+o6A)

_______


Good comment. That and havng Congresscritters, regulators, another bureaucrat in their pockets -- enacting barriers to entry. Crony oligarchy FTW!

Posted by: ShainS -- it's the at November 20, 2019 01:53 PM (iOigv)

258 There's a hundred people who are responsible for 50% of the evil, and if you just took them out and shot them, you'd fix most of the problem.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (8erNz)

take it on up to 100,000 and you could get rid of 80%.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2019 01:53 PM (Kpl3J)

259 Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:48 PM (Fxgkp)

what did I just read?

Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 01:53 PM (n13/j)

260 Or, maybe turkey baster is just an idiot.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 20, 2019 01:39 PM (qC1Sy)

---

I thought turkey basters were all tools.

Posted by: SMH at November 20, 2019 01:53 PM (RU4sa)

261 This thread reminds me - anyone watch the show Silicon Valley? Hubby does and it amazes me, given that it's HBO, how it skewers the millennial tech industry

Posted by: VM's phone at November 20, 2019 01:53 PM (EGSGm)

262 I'll link to what I always do when tech engineers view human interaction as a problem to be solved.

David Byrne (yes, that one) from 2017:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608580/eliminating-the-human/


Yuuuuuuuup.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2019 01:54 PM (mf5HN)

263
Someone seems to have confused a turkey baster with a douche.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2019 01:54 PM (kw0bd)

264 Time for some good news. After this morning, the 11th Circuit is majority Republican appointees again.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 20, 2019 01:54 PM (OD2ni)

265 Rush talking about Mark Sandy now

Posted by: Eric at November 20, 2019 01:54 PM (abQDf)

266 Just because it's (a) great (b) a great period piece (c) haven't heard it in ages, you're subjected to it again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu_d32N1HY0

If you go to the link, of course.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:54 PM (8erNz)

267 I'm placing 100 quatloos on the baster as a pretty good sock.

Posted by: Lurking Libertarian at November 20, 2019 01:54 PM (fBFz0)

268 * tosses a box of baking soda into the barrel *
Posted by: mindful webworker - the next person you help might be you at November 20, 2019 01:51 PM


* foamy slime erupts *

Posted by: The Barrel at November 20, 2019 01:54 PM (qzF84)

269 EmbraceTheMagic = (GeekJoke() && CannibalJoke())

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 20, 2019 01:52 PM (qzF84)

LOl. Clever D.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 01:54 PM (oY5lM)

270 I didn't realize that Caitlyn was a lesbian.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7705575

-
It's like Forrest Gump says. Crazy is as crazy does. And he crazy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 20, 2019 01:54 PM (+y/Ru)

271 Hey Priscilla how old are you?

Posted by: look at November 20, 2019 01:55 PM (WX+x0)

272 There's a hundred people who are responsible for 50% of the evil, and if you just took them out and shot them, you'd fix most of the problem.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:30 PM (8erNz)

take it on up to 100,000 and you could get rid of 80%.
Posted by: Tom Servo


Add three more zeros and take it internationally.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 01:55 PM (fBape)

273 I thought turkey basters were all tools.
Posted by: SMH at November 20, 2019 01:53 PM (RU4sa)

-----------------

Heh.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 20, 2019 01:55 PM (qC1Sy)

274 251 to plow down the most people possible, for the lulz.

As lads the BrothersA and various neighbors played "Kill the Pedestrian" involving bikes and cross street running.
Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2019 01:51 PM (FhXTo)

Smear the Queer.

Nuff said.

Posted by: Don Q at November 20, 2019 01:55 PM (NgKpN)

275 146 Speaking of google...

Fun fact:

For those wondering what's up with Drudge, drudge sold controlling interests in his site to a google controlled websense company.

Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium
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Hmm, this I didn't know. Good thing I haven't provided any clickbait for that clown since Nov 2016.. dRedge indeed.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at November 20, 2019 01:55 PM (c/XJZ)

276 I usually take pepto when my algorithm is off.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 01:55 PM (88+cf)

277 There is a documentary out called The Creepy Line that is about search manipulation of what is visible. Duck Duck go uses Google results by the way

Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2019 01:55 PM (sCK5I)

278 Shorter Post Google is in the suppression business.

Even shorter post Google is evil.

The problem is what to do about it? Goggle is actively trying to make their login the back door to all information. And so far they are succeeding.

Posted by: Big V at November 20, 2019 01:56 PM (B06Zw)

279 #nevertrustalibertarian, or a boomer in a circle jerk of word play.
Whats next, showing off to each other naming that State Capital?
Or how about giving really interesting takes on Music from FIFTY years ago. Because lets be honest, everyone needs to know your opinion of Rubber Soul.

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:56 PM (Fxgkp)

280 tosses a box of baking soda into the barrel *
Posted by: mindful webworker - the next person you help might be you at November 20, 2019 01:51 PM

* foamy slime erupts *
Posted by: The Barrel


Toss a gallon of vinegar in.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 01:56 PM (fBape)

281 224 AltaVista? That was a great site, I preferred it to Google for as long as it was possible to.
Posted by: Ian S.


AltaVista was DA BOSS. Best search engine ever. It just gave you the raw results, no filter. It was amazing. People who have never experienced it have no clue what they're missing. People these days are so used to having put through algorithms and filters never realize that they simply aren;t seeing reality or the truth. And it's not like the search engines are incapable of delivering unfiltered results. They are tweaked to filter out the truth specifically so you don't see it.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2019 01:56 PM (fK2gX)

282 take it on up to 100,000 and you could get rid of 80%.

With luck Voltaire's Admiral Byng approach applies once you get the first 100.

You don't need to kill the next thousand, or ten thousand, you just need to convince them that they, personally, are next.

Which, of course, is what the left is trying to do to us.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:56 PM (8erNz)

283 having put through = having RESULTS put through

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2019 01:57 PM (fK2gX)

284 The google crap was obscenely obvious on youtube searches a couple of months back. Any search for a creator usually always meant you'd get a litany of video about said creator (usually hit pieces). What's so hard about putting the actual channel up? You can't tell me an algorithm decides that rather than show the channel you're searching for, most people want to see hit pieces?

Same went for actual videos - and still does to some degree. As a test, I entered the actual title for a particular video (rather long) and it didn't show up, at all. At least, I gave up after 50 or so.

They've backed off a bit on YT just because it was so blatant and they were called on it by folks like Dice and Watters. But we had plenty of proof back in 2015 when you could type in "michelle obama is..." on both google and Duck Duck Go (or bing or almost any other search engine) and get wildly different results.

Funny how all of this stuff started in earnest in 2015, pure coincidence, right?

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 20, 2019 01:57 PM (Z1ykJ)

285 The problem is what to do about it? Goggle is actively trying to make their login the back door to all information. And so far they are succeeding.
Posted by: Big V at November 20, 2019 01:56 PM (B06Zw)


Somebody here smartened me up - if its "free", you're the product.

Posted by: Lurking Libertarian at November 20, 2019 01:57 PM (fBFz0)

286 On the topic of self-driving cares: no.

Even if they can be made to work and work well, even if they can be made to work better, on average, than human drivers. The answer is still no.

We can move in this country. I can get in my car and go anywhere I want. I am in control. I press the pedals and I turn the wheel. If I want to pull up stakes and leave my town, state, house, etc., I can do so.

A self-driving car makes me cede that control to the state in some manner - whether it is through a state operator directly or through an agent like a big tech company. Self-driving cars destroy the freedom implied by owning your owns means of conveyance. The part of the self-driving car that you own and get to maintain is the chunk of hardware. The conveyance now belongs to someone else.

No thank you. Not now. Not later. Not ever.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 01:57 PM (I2dne)

287 Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:48 PM (Fxgkp)

what did I just read?


I feel like it's one of those small-m morons who heckles Charlie Kirk for not being a racist.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2019 01:58 PM (ZGrMX)

288 I blame Vint Cerf.

Posted by: Kid Tyrone at November 20, 2019 01:58 PM (9K+79)

289 217 122 Chuck Ross @ChuckRossDC
3h
Trivia: Robert Luskin, who is the Sondland lawyer sitting to his right, is also representing Stefan Halper.
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 01:27 PM (BqBId)


Oh, for fucks sake. No wonder his opening statement was crafted to comport with everything damaging the anti-damaging the other witnesses said. Layer probably told Sondland you have to back up what other's say about you or you could be in trouble.
Posted by: Serious Cat at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (Xqo6t)
************
OMG.... Well, this explains a lot.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 20, 2019 01:58 PM (wiXsO)

290 You don't need to kill the next thousand, or ten thousand, you just need to convince them that they, personally, are next.

Which, of course, is what the left is trying to do to us.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 01:56 PM (8erNz)
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Or, it serves as a warning if they ever step out of line again.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 20, 2019 01:58 PM (qC1Sy)

291 Why do autofill suggested searches exist in the first place? Who asked for it?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 20, 2019 01:58 PM (CQ3Qb)

292 If you are going to buy an Aardvark Widget, get the gold anodized finish. It's the best.

Posted by: klaftern at November 20, 2019 01:59 PM (RuIsu)

293 why would anyone waste time with avocado toast? We have had guacamole and tortilla chips for many decades. Is avocado toast better in any way? I didn't think so.

Also, and I should not say this as to keep it on the down low. Gen X probably hates Millennial culture more than Boomers. A lot of those boomers were 60's hippies.

Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 01:59 PM (n13/j)

294 287 I feel like it's one of those small-m morons who heckles Charlie Kirk for not being a racist.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2019 01:58 PM (ZGrMX)

I've been accused (once) of being a troll for bringing that up...

Posted by: Allie at November 20, 2019 01:59 PM (UnA8+)

295 Toss a gallon of vinegar in.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 01:56 PM (fBape)

Thermite grenade.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 02:00 PM (88+cf)

296 Don't like it? Learn to code your own search engine algorithms. I mean, it was a stunning success for Gab.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 20, 2019 02:00 PM (dNzKv)

297 Eugene Volokh and the free-thinkers at Reason: "How dare you knuckledraggers pick on sweet, innocent Google?"

This Week in Mistrusting Google: Klon Kitchen points to a Wall Street Journal story about all the ways Google tweaks its search engine to yield results that look machine-made but aren't. He and I agree that most of these tweaks have understandable justifications but you have to trust Google not to misuse them. And increasingly no one does. The same goes for Google's foray into amassing and organizing health data on millions of Americans. It's a nothingburger with mayo, unless you mistrust Google. Since mistrusting Google is a growth industry, the report is getting a lot of attention

https://reason.com/2019/11/18/mistrusting-google/

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 20, 2019 02:00 PM (O7MnT)

298 Yep; I think Lurking Libertarian is correct. Turkey Baster is a sock.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2019 02:00 PM (WI7YS)

299 AltaVista was DA BOSS. Best search engine ever. It just gave you the raw results, no filter. It was amazing. People who have never experienced it have no clue what they're missing. People these days are so used to having put through algorithms and filters never realize that they simply aren;t seeing reality or the truth. And it's not like the search engines are incapable of delivering unfiltered results. They are tweaked to filter out the truth specifically so you don't see it.
Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2019 01:56 PM (fK2gX)
++++++++++++++
AltaVista was wonderful. I never got out of the habit of hitting through DEC at altavista.digital.com even though they had their own domain almost immediately.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 02:00 PM (I2dne)

300 222 Any time I hear the word 'algorithm' know Im going to get screwed.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 20, 2019 01:41 PM

Dude, by not sending your bone home with you to make soup they screwed you.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (qzF84)

Its not an algorithm.

Its an Al Gore Rhythm. Has to be, after all, he invented the Intertubes!

Posted by: Don Q at November 20, 2019 02:00 PM (NgKpN)

301
Also, and I should not say this as to keep it on the down low. Gen X probably hates Millennial culture more than Boomers. A lot of those boomers were 60's hippies.
Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 01:59 PM (n13/j)








I prefer to keep things on an egalitarian level. Boomer, millenial, Gen X etc. I hate them all equally.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2019 02:00 PM (kw0bd)

302 If Al Gore's rhythm is off, it's because his chakras are blocked.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at November 20, 2019 02:01 PM (IttZ7)

303 Holy cats! I've been out all day and just listened to some of the faux impeachment circus while in the car.

Was Sondland actually laughing at Jim Jordan?

Jeebus.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2019 02:01 PM (ptqGC)

304 GOOGLE BE EVIL tm

Posted by: Richard Head at November 20, 2019 02:01 PM (LLUXC)

305 Why do autofill suggested searches exist in the first place? Who asked for it?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 20, 2019 01:58 PM (CQ3Qb)
+++++++++++++
Saves keystrokes. Kind of useful on mobile phones, etc.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 02:01 PM (I2dne)

306 AltaVista was DA BOSS. Best search engine ever. It just gave you the raw results, no filter. It was amazing. People who have never experienced it have no clue what they're missing.

Okay, it's antique now, but what AV had that nothing since really has is a real query language. It wasn't SQL but you could do a lot.

What no one understood was the level of manual effort that went on behind the scenes to build and rebuild the indices. This was an all-hands-on-deck 16-hours-a-day evolution for the ops staff, piles of shell scripts and etc.

The effort involved meant the indices got stale, and what it needed more than anything else was automation of the index builds, and that never happened. The company put its money into trying to compete with Yahoo as a 'portal' (which is kinda how I came into the operation, Elon got $16M to go away but I made the wrong choice on my options...) but in the end...where are the portals now?

Couldawoudashoulda. Wasn't my decision.

Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2019 02:02 PM (8erNz)

307 Break them the fuck up.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 20, 2019 02:02 PM (oVJmc)

308 291 Why do autofill suggested searches exist in the first place? Who asked for it?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 20, 2019 01:58 PM (CQ3Qb)

Some chick named Siri.

Posted by: Don Q at November 20, 2019 02:02 PM (NgKpN)

309 So True. I just tried to google Swallwell Farting, and Google never helped me autocomplete besides Swallwell 2020 and other kindly suggestions. But DuckDuckGo just came up with Swallwell Farts as the first suggestion.

Posted by: kml85 at November 20, 2019 02:02 PM (++x/H)

310 nood vindaloo

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 20, 2019 02:03 PM (8D42x)

311 Rush said this is the THIRD version of the story Sondland's given.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2019 02:03 PM (ptqGC)

312 #177, I would have guessed old Power Loads Sullivan was dead of AIDS by now- that Palin shit was all ten+ years ago now.

Fuck, I have been on AoS since '05? '06, maybe? It all kinda blends together after a while, "last year" becomes a really flexible term.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at November 20, 2019 02:03 PM (rGgyS)

313 I prefer to keep things on an egalitarian level. Boomer, millenial, Gen X etc. I hate them all equally.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2019 02:00 PM (kw0bd)
+++++++++++++
Are you a normal American or are you a shit heel who wants to control me like a video game and dictate my life and thought?

I don't care how old or young you are. I tend to get along best with Xers in generaly, but that could just be an age thing (I am an older milennial/younger Xer, depending on who you ask - most structures group me as a milennial).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 02:03 PM (I2dne)

314 nood prissy LtC

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 20, 2019 02:03 PM (88+cf)

315 AltaVista? That was a great site, I preferred it to Google for as long as it was possible to.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2019 01:44 PM (ZGrMX)


Yeah, yahoo did great by absorbing/squashing that one, didn't they? Back in the day before google, web crawler was another one. I think if people could go back in time 10-20 years (or 25) they'd be amazed at how different the overall experience was. They've algorithmed the very life out of the internet. Back then it was all the dark web.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 20, 2019 02:03 PM (Z1ykJ)

316 If Al Gore's rhythm is off, it's because his chakras are blocked.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes



I don't ever want to witness The Unblockening.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2019 02:04 PM (fBape)

317 Google "man can " gets you "Men can have periods", "get pregnant", very weird

Google "women can " gets "Women can do anything" and other positive things

It gets worse. Google "Men can do anything" gets a bunch of links saying "Women can do anything men can do"\

Not manipulated much

Posted by: FloridaMan at November 20, 2019 02:04 PM (xI2qg)

318 306 The effort involved meant the indices got stale, and what it needed more
than anything else was automation of the index builds, and that never
happened.


This seems unlikely to me. DEC stole the idea for search from Open Text, and the Open Text Index was fully automated. DEC were involved as system consultants.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 20, 2019 02:05 PM (XzVUd)

319 214 I didn't realize that Caitlyn was a lesbian.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7705575

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at
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His mama still calls him Bruce and so will I - Bruce 'without a Pecker' Jenner.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at November 20, 2019 02:05 PM (c/XJZ)

320 >> The same goes for Google's foray into amassing and organizing health
data on millions of Americans. It's a nothingburger with mayo, unless
you mistrust Google. Since mistrusting Google is a growth industry, the
report is getting a lot of attention



Google also just bought FitBit, in addition to getting access to one health insurer's medical records.

Not only is it fair to be suspicious of ANY company -- or government entity --- that wants to amass the kind of data Google is collecting, but looking at their AI ideas, they want to use that data to *predict* individuals' behavior, and with that, they can seek to control it. It would be crazy not to be concerned about that.

As Scott Adams says, the 2016 was probably the last free election. Now there is too much online manipulation to assume that a significant amount of voters were pursuaded into voting a certain way.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2019 02:06 PM (bDqIh)

321 Alta Vista nostalgia. You could write real search engine filters, with parentheses and wildcards and stuff, IIRC.

Hmm. I think of Rubber Soul and Revolver as the Beatles' first double album. With just a few exceptions, still great songs. And those exceptions were never great. Run for your Life, Yellow Tangerine.

Posted by: mindful webworker - we all live in a shallow tub of beans at November 20, 2019 02:07 PM (5RITs)

322 Nood - of course

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at November 20, 2019 02:08 PM (c/XJZ)

323 I don't care how old or young you are. I tend to get
along best with Xers in generaly, but that could just be an age thing
(I am an older milennial/younger Xer, depending on who you ask - most
structures group me as a milennial).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 20, 2019 02:03 PM (I2dne)
obviously there is good and bad in all groups. Judging people by the decade they were born in is probably one of the worst ways to generalize But there is a pop culture representation put out there of each era. For example, if you ask about how people were in the 60's you would be told they were flower children at woodstock. Forget all the people that they opposed and who opposed them. Same with Millennials, there are tons of good ones. It is the culture that is put out that grates with many.

Posted by: Quint at November 20, 2019 02:08 PM (n13/j)

324 I don't know, the commenters at THIS SITE last night were in love with Andrew Sullivan. With Jen Rubin declaringin 2017 at WAPO that the Gay Marriage debate had been Won!

Forget the CA votes, the will of the people...the debate had been declared won by the bought and paid for Conservatives!!! A mere two years later, people here agree. It make one wonder if it really was a matter of principle for you, or exactly what Justice kennedy accused you of. You suck, Boomers.
Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 20, 2019 01:20 PM (Fxgkp)

Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

At best, commenters were saying something like, "even a blind hog finds the occasional acorn".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 20, 2019 02:08 PM (/sgva)

325 DocJ: "I stopped donating to the HF when they shit-canned DeMint (who may, or may not, have had it coming - never been clear to me)..."

I only found out about Google owning, I mean contributing, to Heritage earlier this year. Yeah, that's when I knew they didn't want my donations any more.

I wish I knew earlier. They're now persona non grata because, yet again, the swamp dwellers were running a con. Oh, sure, "conservatism" gets wrapped up with nice little bows, but the package is never delivered.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 20, 2019 02:09 PM (6eEQ+)

326 "Back then it was all the dark web."

At 28.8 Kbps!

Posted by: Chris M at November 20, 2019 02:09 PM (eAZVt)

327 I see Joe Mannix has hit on it at 88, but I'll repeat it here for emphasis:

What the last few sentences of Ace's post describe are a textbook example of conspiracy in restraint of trade.

That stuff was illegal once...

Posted by: EXTERMINATE! at November 20, 2019 02:13 PM (AduoI)

328 http://bit.ly/2raSWI6
*******
Treaty with Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 20, 2019 02:16 PM (BqBId)

329 WTF... the "libertarians" at Reason approve of Google collecting sensitive health records without patients or doctors approving or even knowing?

Amazing what potheads will agree to to suck on their master...

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 20, 2019 02:20 PM (cUXDZ)

330 "Hey, we left you bitter clingers and deplorable talk radio. So stop your bitching and moaning about tv and the internet, or we'll use your renewed interest in fairness to impose our "fairness" on radio. And then we'll own that too!"

/socialist politico-media complex

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 20, 2019 02:22 PM (xmKbk)

331 "code is law" --- Larry Lessig

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 20, 2019 02:24 PM (EuPrx)

332 Off topic but I drove past a Chick Fil a today around noon. Instead of lines out the kazoo there were 4 cars in drive thru. Get woke go broke! Of course this is Texas. Maybe long lines in NYC

Posted by: AnnaS at November 20, 2019 02:29 PM (Pqf02)

333
OK... anyone who's used the Google to search for political information knows that they actively, aggressively assist the Left in their efforts to eliminate opposition thought from the view of the global audience.

But, what if you're just trying to find information about a product or service you'd like to purchase?

If you're on the production side, you know damned well they fix the results in favor of large corporations.

For me, this has meant an unfair advertising environment for years... it's been hard for us, but we've muscled through, until our business was recently purchased by a large corporation.

Now, the Google system favors us, and will benefit us.

It's still unfair. And it's still wrong.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2019 02:37 PM (GPeXd)

334 Just tried searching John Solomon on DuckDuckGo. It correctly has his top returns as:
1. Wikipedia
2. Hill page for Solomon articles
3. Twitter account
4. His website

Order can be questioned but no bunk articles from random left wing sites.

Best search but unfortunately "Google It" is in our collective lexicon.

Posted by: Gman at November 20, 2019 02:41 PM (ZLCR7)

335 We have used Duckduckgo for all our searches for two years now. It seems to be quite reliable and unbiased. A bonus is that you only see ads for your current, to which they are relevant. Other search engines show you ads from previous searches and/or web sites visited sometimes days earlier.

Posted by: Roland Hirsch at November 20, 2019 02:51 PM (oMkPq)

336 "Well, wrongthinker, they're not telling you to build your own website. They're telling you to build your own internet, as well as your own credit-card payment transfer companies so that people can subscribe and donate."

If they're so desperate to have kids sit in the laps of sex pests wearing womanface, they need to go ahead and make their own country. We already did, so they need to go and build their woke utopia somewhere else and stop leeching off of the sane.

Posted by: Saber Alter at November 20, 2019 06:52 PM (D9E0b)

337 Algorithms are stupid.

Google owns YouTube, and it demonstrates how stupid algorithms are. YouTube decided, based on comments of another poster in a video I saw, to start hitting me with clips of a movie I want NOTHING to do with. Each time it was offered, I clicked "not interested". YT was undeterred and kept offering it up, and even now, 18 months after this first happened, I will get offers to see clips. So

You would think the algorithms would take my thumbs down into account, but no. (But algorithms are God, and are never ever wrong.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 20, 2019 06:55 PM (71NaS)

338 Test.

Posted by: ShainS at November 20, 2019 10:21 PM (WqPYg)

339 Pilha de videos porno brasílico com mulheres gostosas.

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