The Father of Neoconservatism, Norman Podhoretz, On Trump and NeverTrump

Over at Claremont Review of Books (paywalled and I don't think you can get around it), Norman Podhoretz gives a rare interview and expresses his opinion on Trump, NeverTrump, and, indirectly but unavoidably, his fat, soft-handed, lap-of-luxury decrepit soyspawn Jon Podhoretz.

I think a very key distinction between them is elucidated here: Norman Podhoretz grew up as a poor blue-collar kid. He became a famous intellectual, but he was and is a blue-collar kid.

His son, on the other hand, grew up a dapper cosmopolitan princeling.

Norman Podhoretz praises Trump for being a -- yes -- fighter, while the soft-handed crew of the S.S. Cuck all counsel surrender.

One disagreement I have: NeverTrumpers are, in fact, willing to fight. They're willing to fight viciously and bitterly -- so long as the opponents are conservatives. Then the knives come out, then the eye-gouges and low-blows begin raining, then the shivs start getting sharpened.

But they won't fight this way against their neighbors -- physical neighbors -- in the leftwing cities and tony suburbs. For them, the seek compromise and understanding.

Have they ever tried to seek compromise with Trump supporters?

No, them they brand as Nazis and Deplorables.

They are among the most tribal people on earth -- it's just that their real tribe is, and has always been, the cosmopolitan intellectual class of the left. They share most of their political, cultural, and social DNA with the left.

By the way, if you really want to read the article in full, without stealing it, you might consider a one year subscription (four quarterly issues) for $19.95.

I might subscribe, actually. Half the people I talk to talk about it a lot.


CRB: Some people say that Trump has a blue collar sensibility. Do you see that?

NP: I do see it and even before Trump--long before Trump--actually going back to when I was in the army in the 1950s, I got to know blue-collar Americans. I'm "blue collar" myself, I suppose. Iím from the working class--my father was a milk man. But in the army I got to know people from all over the country and I fell in love with Americans--they were just great!

...

That's one of the things--it may be the main thing--that explains his political success. It doesn't explain his success in general, but his political success, yes. Also--I often explain this to people--when I was a kid, you would rather be beaten up than back away from a fight. The worst thing in the world you could be called was a sissy. And I was beaten up many times. Trump fights back. The people who say: "Oh, he shouldn't lower himself," "He should ignore this," and "Why is he demeaning himself by arguing with some dopey reporter?"

I think on the contrary--if you hit him, he hits back; and he is an equal opportunity counter puncher. It doesnít matter who you are. And actually Obama, oddly enough, made the same statement: "He pulls a knife, you pull a gun."

After reaffirming his support for the Iraq War and his initial opposition to Trump for saying that Bush "lied" us into war, Podhoretz turns to the NeverTrumpers:

... So for a while I was supporting Marco Rubio and I was enthusiastic about him. As time went on, and I looked around me, however, I began to be bothered by the hatred that was building up against Trump from my soon to be new set of ex-friends. It really disgusted me. I just thought it had no objective correlative. You could think that he was unfit for office--I could understand that--but my ex-friends' revulsion was always accompanied by attacks on the people who supported him.

They called them dishonorable, or opportunists, or cowards--and this was done by people like Bret Stephens, Bill Kristol, and various others. And I took offense at that. So that inclined me to what I then became: anti-anti-Trump. By the time he finally won the nomination, I was sliding into a pro-Trump position, which has grown stronger and more passionate as time has gone on.

...

CRB: But many of your new set of ex-friends, as you call them, were with you on Iraq and democratization, which explains partly at least, why they are against Trump. You deviated from them, or they deviated from you.

NP: Well some of them have gone so far as to make me wonder whether theyíve lost their minds altogether. I didn't object to their opposition to Trump. There was a case to be made, and they made it--okay. Of course, they had no reasonable alternative. A couple of them voted for Hillary, which I think would have been far worse for the country than anything Trump could have done.

But, basically, I think we're all in a state of confusion as to what's going on. Tom Klingenstein has made a brilliant effort to explain it, in terms that havenít really been used before. He says that our domestic politics has erupted into a kind of war between patriotism and multiculturalism, and he draws out the implications of that war very well. I might put it in different terms--love of America versus hatred of America. But it's the same idea. We find ourselves in a domestic, or civil, war almost

At this point, Podhoretz talks a while about the Long March Through the Institutions -- the Marxist takeover of the schools and universities -- and how a nation of patriots and warriors has sent its children for two or three generations to be educated by pacifists and America-haters, and how that has had precisely the effect on American culture and politics that the Marxists planned.

But I can't quote the whole thing.

So returning back to Trump:


CRB: What are his virtues, if you had to enumerate them?

NP: His virtues are the virtues of the street kids of Brooklyn. You don't back away from a fight and you fight to win. Thatís one of the things that the Americans who love him, love him for--that he's willing to fight, not willing but eager to fight. And that's the main virtue and all the rest stem from, as Klingenstein says, his love of America....

On the snobbery of the NeverTrump rump:


There's snobbery in it and there's genuine, you might say, aesthetic revulsion.

It's more than disagreements about policy, because the fact of the matter is they have few grounds for disagreement about policy.

I mean, I've known Bill Kristol all his life, and I like him. But I must say I'm shocked by his saying that if it comes to the deep state versus Trump, he'll take the deep state.

You know, I was raised to believe that the last thing in the world you defend is your own, and I am proud to have overcome that education. I think the first thing in the world you defend is your own, especially when it's under siege both from without and within. So the conservative elite has allowed its worst features--its sense of superiority--to overcome its intellectual powers, let's put it that way. I don't know how else to explain this.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 05:30 PM




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1 Foist?

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 17, 2019 05:30 PM (ffYR/)

2 Norm!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 17, 2019 05:32 PM (bcbK8)

3 Nd

Posted by: Ha at April 17, 2019 05:32 PM (MAstk)

4 I read the first two paragraphs.

Posted by: JAS at April 17, 2019 05:33 PM (KOCKb)

5 3
Nd

Neodymium?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 17, 2019 05:33 PM (7s3Gx)

6 Hola

Posted by: ALH at April 17, 2019 05:33 PM (8wKjk)

7
A poat from the Future!

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:34 PM (BPm9K)

8 Interesting.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 05:34 PM (NWiLs)

9 This guy - he *gets* it. Yes I read the content.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:34 PM (DJFLF)

10 7
A poat from the Future!
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:34 PM (BPm9K)

A blessing! A blessing from the Lord!

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 05:34 PM (NWiLs)

11

Ace and Jim from Taxi in....

Back To The Past From The Future

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:34 PM (BPm9K)

12 tl; dr:

So what Podhoretz describes is the existential fight between blue collar alpha males and fancfied femmified soibois.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:35 PM (DJFLF)

13 This Podhoretz got it.

Obviously he's not worried about invites.

Posted by: Golfman at April 17, 2019 05:35 PM (e7/F1)

14 The Claremont Review of Books? My my Acey, not a Philistine after all?

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein of Brattleboro Vermont at April 17, 2019 05:35 PM (Jj+59)

15 Top 50?

Posted by: Surfperch at April 17, 2019 05:35 PM (yKjsG)

16 There's snobbery in it and there's genuine, you might say, aesthetic revulsion.

It's more than disagreements about policy, because the fact of the matter is they have few grounds for disagreement about policy.


yeah, that's pretty much all there is to it. He is the wrong sort, and left them out of power by winning and not consulting or obeying them.

That's one area where Trump is utterly wrong: Bush did not lie anyone into war. And he's wrong in his support of government-run healthcare. But he's right in so much else I can live with the other parts.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (39g3+)

17 Ace posted this at 6:30, and I posted my greeting at 5:33.

So, could you please find out what the winning lottery numbers are with your time machine?

Posted by: ALH at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (8wKjk)

18
Obviously he's not worried about invites.

Posted by: Golfman at April 17, 2019 05:35 PM (e7/F1)

Can ya believe it? He's more interested in saving America than hanging out with femmified soibois at cocktail parties! Crazy.
SMDH

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (DJFLF)

19 *shuffles papers*

Of the legion of backstabbing cuckservatives, Norman, you ARE the father.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (t6MX/)

20 time machine time!

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (ER1jH)

21 Then the rest.

Posted by: JAS at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (KOCKb)

22

Rush was talking about this today.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (aKsyK)

23 NP puts his finger on it: Trump fights, he fights for his own, and he doesn't back down--and that drives the self-hating cucks batty.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (RD7QR)

24
I caught a bit of Rush quoting this interview today. He seemed impressed with Norman P, as I am. I'd heard of him, but never read any of his stuff that I recall.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (HaL55)

25 Ace tell us, what is the world like an hour from now?

Posted by: Surfperch at April 17, 2019 05:37 PM (yKjsG)

26 I think DJT gets it, that is what is driving his base.

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2019 05:37 PM (BbGew)

27 There is something about growin' up quick and growin' up mean to make one hard of fist and keen of wit.

Posted by: Sue at April 17, 2019 05:37 PM (Jj+59)

28
Another question that I have for the people living inside my computer:

Is there such a thing as "Finnish" pastry?

You know like Danishes, are there tasty delicious "Finishes?"

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:37 PM (BPm9K)

29 26 I think DJT gets it, that is what is driving his base.
Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2019 05:37 PM (BbGew)


I think so, too.

Posted by: ALH at April 17, 2019 05:37 PM (8wKjk)

30 Dad makes may more sense than the son. Just the opposite in my family.

I guarantee my folks voted Hillary.

Posted by: nip at April 17, 2019 05:38 PM (DfGpI)

31 5
3

Nd

Neodymium?


Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 17, 2019 05:33 PM (7s3Gx)


Noodium.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 17, 2019 05:38 PM (t6MX/)

32 You know like Danishes, are there tasty delicious "Finishes?"

Only Stormy Daniels can answer

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 05:38 PM (39g3+)

33
For example: Are you gonna finish your Finish (pastry), I'd say.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:38 PM (BPm9K)

34 NP puts his finger on it: Trump fights, he fights for his own, and he doesn't back down--and that drives the self-hating cucks batty.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2019 05:36 PM (RD7QR)

Not only that, but Trump doesn't have to be persuaded or begged to fight. He eagerly jumps in on his own. I love that.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 17, 2019 05:38 PM (Gkwm4)

35 Excellent! Thanks for posting it, Ace. I hope somebody sent the article to Trump.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2019 05:38 PM (FSPNP)

36 In the days leading up to the election my inbox was bombarded by my alleged conservative pro-life cousin, who was all in for HRC after DJT got the nom.

He was trying to convert his mailing list, that was mainly for DJT. In one message back to him I let him know that if he hates anyone who votes for Trump, he'd better not contract for any home improvements, because most of the guys in the trades had Trump flags on their trucks.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:38 PM (DJFLF)

37 "...love of America versus hatred of America. But it's the same idea. We find ourselves in a domestic, or civil, war almost..."

Norm, he gets it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 17, 2019 05:38 PM (bcbK8)

38
You know like Danishes, are there tasty delicious "Finishes?"

No, polyurethane isn't very sweet.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (HaL55)

39 >>Is there such a thing as "Finnish" pastry?

Knives

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (/tuJf)

40 And actually Obama, oddly enough, made the same statement: "He pulls a knife, you pull a gun."


That's because Obama is a fairy who only learns tough guy talk from movies.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (fuK7c)

41 28
Another question that I have for the people living inside my computer:

Is there such a thing as "Finnish" pastry?

You know like Danishes, are there tasty delicious "Finishes?"
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:37 PM (BPm9K)

From Wiki (yeah, I know): Karelian pasty (karjalanpiirakka) is a traditional Finnish dish made from a thin rye crust with a filling of barley, or rice

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (RD7QR)

42 i loved this article, thanks!

Posted by: trapper's girl at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (Rm2st)

43
Wait, there's TWO Podhoretzes??

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (BPm9K)

44 The world of an hour from now is filled with miracles and wonders untold, my friends!

They invented a condom that's made out of artificial mish! Artificial mish! It's wonderful, wonderful!!!

Posted by: Future Ace at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (PbpT7)

45 Does this Podhoretz weigh more than a duck?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (C8CEK)

46 You know like Danishes, are there tasty delicious "Finishes?"

Only Stormy Daniels can answer
=====

I love a tasty delicious finish.

Posted by: Mayor Buttplug at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (JcXHH)

47 Another question that I have for the people living inside my computer:

Is there such a thing as "Finnish" pastry?

You know like Danishes, are there tasty delicious "Finishes?"
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:37 PM (BPm9K)

There are Finnish pastries, most of them contain lingonberries and have unpronounceable names.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (yKjsG)

48 Spectacular article. Well worth reading the whole thing. Especially if you work for Bill Kristol, or are Bill Kristol. Or are proposing to start a "new venture" of which he might approve.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, no recent arrests at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (LISuA)

49 World War III by Norman Podhoretz is a very good book because it doesn't try to over complicate the issue. I think he wrote it with the hard heads on the Left in mind.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (rxtQa)

50 kallisto, what was it that your cousin didn't like about Trump? His manner, or something else?

Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (aXucN)

51 Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm on sale for $249 at Palmetto State Armory.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (Gkwm4)

52 How'd he end up raising such an asshole?

Posted by: Red-headed 'ette (Tammy) at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (5Q+j+)

53 That's because Obama is a fairy who only learns tough guy talk from movies.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (fuK7c)

I really dug it when he stood over his wife with a 357 Magnum and asked her if she felt lucky punk?
That was awesome.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (DJFLF)

54 I thought I just read something about Trump being an imperfect vessel, and now I can't find it.
Did the post change?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (ufFY8)

55 52-My dad gets asked the same thing.

Posted by: nip at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (DfGpI)

56 Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (aXucN)

RACIST!!

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (DJFLF)

57
Karelian pasty (karjalanpiirakka) is a traditional Finnish dish made from a thin rye crust with a filling of barley, or rice

This does not really sound too delicious.

It's kinda like Matza balls -- a lousy "dessert."

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (BPm9K)

58 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (Zz0t1)

59 I think the first thing in the world you defend is your own, especially when it's under siege both from without and within.


Am Yisrael chai, yedidee.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (CPk08)

60

SO close to a correctly-spelled comment from Cloggenstein.

We're rooting for you, Mary. You'll get there, you'll get there.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (bcbK8)

61 This guy - he *gets* it. Yes I read the content.
Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:34 PM (DJFLF)

Ditto

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (Y+V3r)

62
Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (aXucN)

NUCLEAR FOOTBALL!!

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (DJFLF)

63 A war between people who love America and people who hate America. That's exactly what it is. And the people on the hate side are armed to the teeth with disinformation.

Posted by: Caliban at April 17, 2019 05:42 PM (qEujL)

64 Norman should send this interview to his son maybe it will bring him to his senses.

Posted by: Kenny The G from AZ at April 17, 2019 05:42 PM (/lGcY)

65 Bill Kristal is an elitist scumbag piece of shit and I will never give anything he says any relevance ever again.

Nice job, Bill. Eat shit, be sick for a while, then DIE, asshole.

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 05:42 PM (Zz0t1)

66 Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (aXucN)
IMMORAL VULGARIAN!!

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:42 PM (DJFLF)

67 51 Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm on sale for $249 at Palmetto State Armory.
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 17, 2019 05:42 PM (bcbK8)

68 You can't play catch with your son with nuclear footballs.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2019 05:42 PM (fuK7c)

69 Norman should send this interview to his son maybe it will bring him to his senses.
Posted by: Kenny The G from AZ at April 17, 2019 05:42 PM (/lGcY)


Alas, like most kids, he will turn to his dad and say "awww, what do YOU know old man......"

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 05:43 PM (Zz0t1)

70 dad > son

Posted by: trapper's girl at April 17, 2019 05:43 PM (Rm2st)

71 >>Wait, there's TWO Podhoretzes??

You don't think junior got where he is on his soaring talent, do you?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 05:43 PM (/tuJf)

72 You know what's crazy: my cuz grew up on the same mean streets as I. But the intervening years took up the ladder to cologne and cufflink world, and what can I say? He changed.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:43 PM (DJFLF)

73 RACIST!!
Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (DJFLF)
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Ah. Because he wanted to gain control of the border?

I remember reading some things from Catholics (no one I know) who fretted that they couldn't vote for Trump because he used to be pro-choice and could he really have changed. And I thought, you dopes, isn't this what we pray for, that people will have conversions? And are we not to welcome those conversions? I thought maybe that's what bothered your cousin.

Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 05:43 PM (aXucN)

74 44 The world of an hour from now is filled with miracles and wonders untold, my friends!

They invented a condom that's made out of artificial mish! Artificial mish! It's wonderful, wonderful!!!
Posted by: Future Ace at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (PbpT7)

Welp. Got a reason to live again!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 17, 2019 05:43 PM (bcbK8)

75 43
Wait, there's TWO Podhoretzes??

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:39 PM (BPm9K

There. Are. FOUR. Podhoretzes!

Posted by: Capt. Jean-Luc Picard at April 17, 2019 05:44 PM (NWiLs)

76 Posted by: nip at April 17, 2019 05:41 PM (DfGpI)

You do push that line, ya know!

Posted by: Red-headed 'ette (Tammy) at April 17, 2019 05:44 PM (5Q+j+)

77 Thanksgiving at the Podhoretz place must a bit awkward.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 17, 2019 05:44 PM (Z4rgH)

78 -
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Is there such a thing as "Finnish" pastry?

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Oh yeah. It's a thing. Just google it.


Posted by: Porn, Inc. at April 17, 2019 05:44 PM (RVcmP)

79 This is one of Bill Kristol's life long mentors. Bill is gonna be pissed, and embarrassed. His cruise ship has turned into an inflatable life raft, and it's losing air every day.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 05:45 PM (Kpl3J)

80 Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 05:43 PM (aXucN)
Oh yeah. Also we have a diverse family network and I guess he felt like he had to stand up for our peeps of keller.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 05:45 PM (DJFLF)

81 If Finns make pastry they call them Danish, if a Norwegian makes pastry they call them danish as well.

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2019 05:45 PM (BbGew)

82 "There's two of them!"
--Lillian in a JCVD film

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 05:45 PM (39g3+)

83 A donut with no holes, is a Danish.

Posted by: Ty at April 17, 2019 05:45 PM (Zz0t1)

84 I grew up in the North East and until I joined the Navy I did not have much contact with people from the south and other fly over areas. I fell back in love with America when i met them. THEY are what America Great.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 05:46 PM (Y+V3r)

85 Imagine trying to be authentic and asking for a Danish at a pastry shop in Denmark.

"All of our pastries are Danish, bub, narrow it down some".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2019 05:46 PM (fuK7c)

86 I think the thing is they backed themselves into a corner with the "Contra Trump" thing, and now they can't back down because they made such a big deal about it.

Posted by: Caliban at April 17, 2019 05:46 PM (qEujL)

87 I make French toast and don't call it American toast

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2019 05:46 PM (BbGew)

88 Tell me a man's zip code......

Posted by: The Young Beggar at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (Jj+59)

89 A donut with no holes, is a Danish.

A donut with a huge hole is a Hillary

http://tinyurl.com/y59rb5ea

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (39g3+)

90 Hmm, I'm trying to read the Claremont article but it seems to be behind a paywall. Can anyone else see it?

Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (aXucN)

91 Wait, there's TWO Podhoretzes??

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert


Always two there are, a master and an apprentice...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (AM1GF)

92 I'm cracking myself up and cat got scared and ran off my lap.

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (BbGew)

93 Smart man and nicely explained. I wonder how Thanksgiving dinner is at the Podheratz table.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (XROPS)

94 Pod 'O Hertz is he related to Bet'O? who are these nonentities!

Posted by: saf at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (5IHGB)

95 Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (ufFY

I read that too and appreciated it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2019 05:48 PM (FSPNP)

96 "You could think that he was unfit for office--I could understand that--but my ex-friends' revulsion was always accompanied by attacks on the people who supported him."

Bingo!

And that, Morons, is the key to everything that is happening. They don't really hate Trump. Not really. Trump is the proxy for Trump supporters that have always existed but been forever ignored and beaten over the head for being the source of evil since the dawn of man.

All these politicians, media mavens, and actors accepted - even loved - Trump before he started running for office to represent Deplorables. They wanted his input, his money, his time, his regard. Until his Common Man Candidacy.

NONE of these people hate Trump. It was never about Trump. It's about Trumpers. It always has been. They loathe the Common Man.

And Trump was the only one who stood up for them/us when we were begging for a representative to do just that and gave better than he got because he knew how.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 17, 2019 05:48 PM (6eEQ+)

97 I will did not understand NeverTrump once he was the nominee, and I am just completely staggered by NeverTrump now that he has proved himself to be among the best presidents of all.

Posted by: Red-headed 'ette at April 17, 2019 05:48 PM (5Q+j+)

98 Smart man and nicely explained. I wonder how Thanksgiving dinner is at the Podheratz table.
Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (XROPS)


I'm sure somewhere in the conversation Norman says something along the lines of "where did I go wrong with you?"

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 05:48 PM (Zz0t1)

99 It was never about Trump. It's about Trumpers. It always has been. They loathe the Common Man.

Yup which is why they call us deplorables and worse. i wear it as badge of honor

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 05:49 PM (Y+V3r)

100 That the normals sent their kids to be taught by marxists and anti-americans is the reason why we've almost lost the country.

Too many people either didn't believe what they saw and heard or were too lazy to do anything about it.

And btw that goes back to the '50's cuz that's when the marxists started taking over the teaching profession. I know because is was taught by some of the first to come from the teachers colleges that always inserted snide asides about how bad america really was. That's about when the students started protesting in the high schools in the '60's then graduated and started protesting in the colleges.

That said, there still was a majority that raised their kids up to be american and they didn't take to the marxists propaganda as readily as the wealthier/urban elite kids did.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at April 17, 2019 05:49 PM (dOJIo)

101 77. Haha.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 05:49 PM (XROPS)

102
A donut with no holes, is a Danish.


A donut with no holes is Finnished

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2019 05:49 PM (TAmPV)

103 Good analysis.

Thanks, Ace.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 17, 2019 05:49 PM (u82oZ)

104 I'm sure somewhere in the conversation Norman says something along the lines of "where did I go wrong with you?"

Posted by: Sponge


More likely is "no, you can't move back in with your mother and me".

Posted by: pep at April 17, 2019 05:50 PM (T6t7i)

105 So returning back to Trump:


CRB: What are his virtues, if you had to enumerate them?


Turn it back on them. Enumerate Obama's.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2019 05:50 PM (dDUXP)

106 earlier today, for the first time, i took a look at kristol's twitter account. he is offering the democrats any assistance they need to defeat trump. literally.

i've long given up trying to figure out his anti-trumpism. it's bizarre.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 05:50 PM (Pg+x7)

107
A donut with no holes, is a Danish.

When I get done eating one, it's Finnish.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 05:50 PM (HaL55)

108 Imagine trying to be authentic and asking for a Danish at a pastry shop in Denmark.

"All of our pastries are Danish, bub, narrow it down some".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2019 05:46 PM (fuK7c)


I was in Denmark, ordered a Danish and they brought me a chubby blonde that talked funny. She asked me over and over what she was doing there and who I was.

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 05:50 PM (Zz0t1)

109
Snobbery explains a great deal of what is occurring right now. The amusing aspect of this is that many languorously bathing in this snobbery are, in fact, looked down upon by greater snobs than themselves, with no love lost on the hoi polloi who just happen to be on the same side as them vis-a-vis Trump. Is there anyone, for example, who believes that the Clintons give a rat's ass about working class Americans?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 17, 2019 05:51 PM (S7fGm)

110 98 Smart man and nicely explained. I wonder how Thanksgiving dinner is at the Podheratz table.
Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (XROPS)

I'm sure somewhere in the conversation Norman says something along the lines of "where did I go wrong with you?"
Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 05:48 PM (Zz0t1)

Or else "I should have let you run down my leg!"

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2019 05:51 PM (RD7QR)

111 I really thought as time went on, especially as Trump has all but out conservative anyone else that Never's would come around.
Obviously many have not.

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2019 05:51 PM (BbGew)

112 And I think-in the section that seemed to be removed-about an imperfect vessel of God-explains why-, in part religious people could voted for Trump.
Whole lot of imperfect leaders in the Bible who still managed to do the will of God..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2019 05:51 PM (FSPNP)

113 Ace, do me a solid and send me your subscriber codes. Can you believe they want me to pay for it?

Posted by: The Young Beggar at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (Jj+59)

114 The elder Poderhetz describes a conservative elite and I'll grant he was/is one of them, but the conservative elite as represented by the likes of Kristol, nearly the entire staff of the National Review, and others of that ilk are neither conservative nor elite.

Posted by: troyriser at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (1JpTT)

115 I went to college. I sat right there and marveled at the bullshit the commie professors spewed. Didn't turn me into a commie myself.

Posted by: Red-headed 'ette at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (5Q+j+)

116

Does McDonalds still offer Danishes?

Their apple danish was sublime.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (BPm9K)

117 "love of America versus hatred of America"
Yes, it's traditional civics versus critical theory. And critical theory does not mean critical thinking; it means constant criticism of America in particular and Western Civ in general by enumerating every sin or failing, not matter how "micro". For a while a society can live on the fumes of past civic virtue, but eventually it catches up to you. Look at the so-called homeless, the college snowflakes, the continuous racializing of every event, the template of hate against Republican presidents. All of this is social justice, born of Marxism, which is not justice at all. It's privileges for the chosen ones, and white males need not apply.
Trump lives and breathes opposition to this tripe, and that's why I love him.

Posted by: pj at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (qlTN9)

118 106 earlier today, for the first time, i took a look at kristol's twitter account. he is offering the democrats any assistance they need to defeat trump. literally.

i've long given up trying to figure out his anti-trumpism. it's bizarre.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 05:50 PM (Pg+x7)

All I've got now is that he has raging daddy issues.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (RD7QR)

119 112
And I think-in the section that seemed to be removed-about an imperfect
vessel of God-explains why-, in part religious people could voted for
Trump.

Whole lot of imperfect leaders in the Bible who still managed to do the will of God..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2019 05:51 PM (FSPNP)

King David coming to mind.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (jxbfJ)

120 From the last thread, but worth repeating for those (like me) who are trying to catch up with the news...
***
Do you think it was a coincidence that Barr announced during his Congressional hearings the other day that the FBI spied on Trump and he would be investigating the investigators? Cause I don't. That's the next logical step. Do you think it's a coincidence that Horowitz is producing his report now that Mueller is finished? Again, I don't.

The fact is that people here are impatient because they follow it all day, everyday, but in the grand scheme of things it hasn't been that long. The Whitewater investigation when on for 6 years. Watergate was 4. This has been 2. Hell, I remember the night when people here was absolutely positive McCabe wouldn't be fired. Then he was.

This is the single biggest political scandal in the history of the country. It dwarfs Watergate. It includes virtually every Obama agency that could be involved and numerous foreign countries. It is both huge and sensitive.

These investigations always take time. But now the counter investigation can proceed without danger to Trump. Two dozen or so senior FBI/DOJ people have been fired or forced out and some criminal investigations are underway with more coming. And we are just beginning to get to Ukraine.

A little patience might be a good idea cause this still is going to take time.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 05:35 PM (/tuJf)

Love this stuff.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (XROPS)

121 Hmm, I'm trying to read the Claremont article but it seems to be behind a paywall. Can anyone else see it?

Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (aXucN)


Yep, I can read it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (Z4rgH)

122
It was never about Trump. It's about Trumpers. It always has been. They loathe the Common Man.



Yup which is why they call us deplorables and worse. i wear it as badge of honor


We don't have classes here in America. That's opposed to Cap'n Cuck who has no class.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (HaL55)

123 >>>52 How'd he end up raising such an asshole?

Poor men often become strong men and rich men, who then give sire soft men and craven men.

Posted by: Future Ace at April 17, 2019 05:53 PM (PbpT7)

124 Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (jxbfJ)

Yep.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2019 05:53 PM (FSPNP)

125 I will did not understand NeverTrump once he was the nominee, and I am just completely staggered by NeverTrump now that he has proved himself to be among the best presidents of all.

exactly, I was a Cruz supporter who had no problem jumping on the Trump train. I got run out of the Treehouse for questioning the Cruz hatred but Sundance did refund my $50 donation when it happened.

Posted by: DanMan at April 17, 2019 05:54 PM (XTiHL)

126 One disagreement I have: NeverTrumpers are, in fact, willing to fight. They're willing to fight viciously and bitterly -- so long as the opponents are conservatives. Then the knives come out, then the eye-gouges and low-blows begin raining, then the shivs start getting sharpened.

But it's still mostly biting and pulling hair. Vicious, but vicious biting and pulling hair. And a lot of whining and crying while they do it. And then they go back to their thumb-sucking.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 05:54 PM (ASicf)

127
That the normals sent their kids to be taught by marxists and anti-americans is the reason why we've almost lost the country.


The naming of the public schools' teachers' unions' campaign for more funding as "Red for Ed" is no accident.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 17, 2019 05:55 PM (S7fGm)

128 Interesting, because that was my first move as well: anti-anti-Trump.

I still had a reaction to "Ragu Trump" ("it's in there.") from the Trumpers. And a good number of Trumpers called me "NeverTrump" every chance they got. I had to constantly explain that Trump was always my #3 option: (Walker, Cruz, Trump), and that I had even early on been a "Let Trump get in the race" apologist. And I always said that I couldn't think anything stupider than to be "NeverTrump".

Posted by: Axeman at April 17, 2019 05:55 PM (vDqXW)

129 Okay, I am able to read the Claremont article by using outline.com. I am about halfway through it. Really good.

I like what Norm says about immigration and assimilation.

Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 05:55 PM (aXucN)

130 JackStraw at April 17, 2019 05:35 PM (/tuJf)

Are we two the only Trey Gowdy fans here? Hmmmm? He's so strong, takes a real man to wear his hair all cummed up in a rooster.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein of Brattleboro Vermont at April 17, 2019 05:56 PM (Jj+59)

131 Good post. You have the never Trumpers #.

Posted by: Locke Common at April 17, 2019 05:56 PM (RZQqA)

132 Kevin Magnussen is Danish
Kimi Raikkonen is Finnish

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2019 05:56 PM (BbGew)

133 i heard rush speak about this today.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 17, 2019 05:57 PM (0O7c5)

134 101 77. Haha.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 05:49 PM (XROPS)


Posted by: GnuBreed at April 17, 2019 05:57 PM (Z4rgH)

135 123
>>>52 How'd he end up raising such an asshole?



Poor men often become strong men and rich men, who then give sire soft men and craven men.

Posted by: Future Ace at April 17, 2019 05:53 PM (PbpT7)

For a movie reference, see Braveheart with King Longshanks and his "soft" son.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 17, 2019 05:58 PM (jxbfJ)

136 Claremont Review of Books (paywalled and I don't think you can get around it),

I'm reading the source. Pretty easy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 05:58 PM (ASicf)

137 Soyspawn

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 05:58 PM (yTo22)

138 >>>It was never about Trump. It's about Trumpers. It always has been. They loathe the Common Man.


i agree with the sentiment but it's not about "The common man," exactly. There are plenty of uncommon men who oppose them.

We're just in a different tribe. But they are not elite and we are not common.

They just wear warpaint that looks different than ours, and looks a lot like the paint worn by the tribes of the left.

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 05:58 PM (PbpT7)

139
Is there anyone, for example, who believes that the Clintons give a rat's ass about working class Americans?

Nope. BJ Cliton proved his hatred for Middle America by signing the abortion that is NAFTA, thus ruining the lives and careers of millions of fomerly-hard-working people who had done him no wrong. In fact, many of them voted him into office.

And that's how they were repaid. Thanks a lot, you asshole. I hope you die painful death from syphilis.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 05:58 PM (HaL55)

140 OT: Learned today about a program in all states that will direct you to resources both government and private if you or a loved one is in need. Dial 211 or go to 211 dot com to learn about resources for shelter, food, eldercare, disabilities, drug addiction, mental health, utility help, veteran assistance, dental/medical/RX help, etc. The rep who spoke at a meeting today noted they are available 24/7/365. Not all assistance is income based.

Posted by: Mrs. JTB at April 17, 2019 05:58 PM (bmdz3)

141 In case no one else posted this, here is a link to Sol's website. From her writings/rantings, it appears she was fighting some serious demons. Her journals are very telling.

https://dissolvedgirl.neocities.org/welcomepage.html

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at April 17, 2019 05:59 PM (9YBqo)

142 127


That the normals sent their kids to be taught by marxists and anti-americans is the reason why we've almost lost the country.



The naming of the public schools' teachers' unions' campaign for more funding as "Red for Ed" is no accident.



Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 17, 2019 05:55 PM (S7fGm)
They have recently invaded my town in Seacoast NH area. Begging for more budget money, and their union contract was up for renegotiation.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 17, 2019 05:59 PM (jxbfJ)

143 NONE of these people hate Trump. It was never about Trump. It's about Trumpers. It always has been. They loathe the Common Man.

Yeah they don't hate him. They hate you and me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 05:59 PM (39g3+)

144 >>>113 Ace, do me a solid and send me your subscriber codes. Can you believe they want me to pay for it?

I don't have a code, alas. I might be able to get one because I know some of these guys but I've never asked.

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 05:59 PM (PbpT7)

145 Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at April 17, 2019 05:49 PM (dOJIo)

Yea, that's probably why I didn't fall for their crap. I was raised pretty much by Yellow Dog Democrats, BUT, Dems were NOT lunatics back then, and every last one of my relatives, even the assholes, is rabidly patriotic.

Posted by: Red-headed 'ette at April 17, 2019 05:59 PM (5Q+j+)

146 So Seth Moulton was reported to be recording his announcement video, and Horseface Kerry says he might run if Biden doesn't. Three candidates from MA sounds like a lot, but really it's only .1% of the Demi field.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at April 17, 2019 06:00 PM (hjaPQ)

147 NeverTrump's main problem, I think, is that they are too much like the "Anyone but [candidate]" bumper sticker warriors.

"Anyone but [candidate]" is a stupid position. You can have candidates you like more than others. You can have candidates you hate. You can have candidates that you think are so dangerous that you'll accept - even enthusiastically support - a *bad* candidate in almost every respect if it means keeping that other person out.

Hillary was in the third category for me. I was a fairly early Trumper (he was "my guy" during the primary) but virtually any Republican would have gotten my vote in '16 - not because I liked him but because I thought Hillary to be so dangerous.

But what if Warren or Sanders were her opponents? I might actually vote for Hillary in that case because she's just a violent crook and not a communist.

The problem with "Anyone but [candidate]" is that eventually you'll vote for the devil himself as a result. So either the NT crowd is that foolish or they genuinely put Trump into that third category. As Podhoretz mentions here, there is little to disagree about vis-a-vis policy unless you love foreign adventurism. If they have Trump in that third category, then it tells you that they are actually, genuinely and completes *wrong* about what matters.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 17, 2019 06:00 PM (I2dne)

148 For a movie reference, see Braveheart with King Longshanks and his "soft" son.

Longshanks, one of the greatest generals in history and best kings England ever had... and his son, one of the worst kings in human history

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:00 PM (39g3+)

149

Are we two the only Trey Gowdy fans here? Hmmmm? He's so strong, takes a real man to wear his hair all cummed up in a rooster.

"Is that...hair gel?"

Another Mary, who had something.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 06:00 PM (HaL55)

150 http://211info.org/

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 17, 2019 06:01 PM (Z3zSO)

151 Is there such a thing as "Finnish" pastry?


Vodka!

That's all you need to know.

Posted by: Archer at April 17, 2019 06:01 PM (gmo/4)

152 There's a line in this great 80s murder-caper movie with Michael Caine, A Shock to the System.

Michael Caine is an older second-level executive serving under a younger CEO he does not respect and also is very jealous of.

So he murders him and takes his position in the company.

Later, someone asks about the dead CEO.

"He was your superior?," someone asks him.

"No," Michael Caine says. "He was my boss."

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:01 PM (PbpT7)

153 I went to snobby private schools and snobby elite colleges and grad schools. I have snobby elite degrees and I worked at snobby elite companies, sent my kids to private school. I've always lived inside the beltway or in NYC. My father had a PhD, my husband is a very successful attorney. So by all rights, I should "look down" on Trump? Why?

I did cringe at first by the way he talks. However, when I listened to what he said, it was fine, or actually good, policy-wise.
I went into college, literally AFTER converting my parents from democrats to republicans and sat through all those idiot professors pushing marxism knowing exactly what they were doing. Rolled my eyes at my idiot contemporaries carrying on about Reagan getting us killed and took the "young democrat" bus to vote for Jesse Helms.
I have no idea why people are such fucking sheep. The media/leftist complex is so obvious to me that it hurts. The hate America first crowd has been and is still the victim and co-conspirator of global communism. How that's not screaming at them, I do not know.

How are people so incredibly dumb to not see the left is the left is the left and has been for a century? Did they miss the death, famine and destruction of the 20th century? Do they not see these people for who and what they are? How?

Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:01 PM (nRWPy)

154 what's going on with the Finnish stuff today?

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:02 PM (PbpT7)

155 http://bit.ly/2VPxAKZ
*******
Washington Braces for Release of the Mueller Report
*******
ALL the Drive By Media use the Word "BRACE"

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 06:02 PM (BqBId)

156 Where is Paul Ryan to push this senile old fart off a cliff?

Posted by: Jon Podhoretz at April 17, 2019 06:02 PM (SkuXa)

157 ACE!

I hope you are feeling better. We've, at least I have, been worried about you!

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 17, 2019 06:02 PM (d7Ww2)

158 >>>For a movie reference, see Braveheart with King Longshanks and his "soft" son.

i had the same thought and almost linked that video to accompany this, the "What news of the north?" defenstration.

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:02 PM (PbpT7)

159 Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 05:58 PM (HaL55)

Let's not forget the admin that negotiated the NAFTA agreement; Bushes.

It was Clinton that signed it and was complicit but it was Bush's minions that wrote that sucker.

The like of ppl like mittens and mccain and a bunch of others that saw their chance to destroy the American middle class so as to help usher in their New World Order (Bush again).

I was already suspicious but it was confirmed when I saw how chummy the Bush family was with the Clintons. After all the scummy things their minions said about Bush and he's lauging and yucking it up with the head scumbag was a revelation.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at April 17, 2019 06:03 PM (dOJIo)

160 "No," Michael Caine says. "He was my boss."

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:01 PM (PbpT7)

I can hear him say that line in my head.

I need to go re-watch some old Michael Caine movies.
I have Harry Brown at home. It was good, if depressing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 17, 2019 06:03 PM (bcbK8)

161 Is there anyone, for example, who believes that the Clintons give a rat's ass about working class Americans?
***

Only if they are hot women.

That goes for both of them.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 06:03 PM (XROPS)

162 Are we two the only Trey Gowdy fans here?

Gowdy annoys me but he's clearly good at his job as prosecutor which I want him to return to. He gets a lot of crap for being all talk but that's pretty much all he can do in his job as congressman when there are hearings.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:03 PM (39g3+)

163 >>>157 ACE!

I hope you are feeling better. We've, at least I have, been worried about you!

...

thank you. I feel mostly better, just a bit jet-lagged from the disruption in sleep schedule. I think tonight I'll be back on a closer-to-normal schedule and will be all better for tomorrow.

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:03 PM (PbpT7)

164 There is a book called Limbo that talks about blue collar people working in a white collar world and their challenges. I recommend it very highly.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 17, 2019 06:03 PM (Z3zSO)

165 I remember reading some things from Catholics (no one I know) who fretted that they couldn't vote for Trump because he used to be pro-choice and could he really have changed. And I thought, you dopes, isn't this what we pray for, that people will have conversions?
_________________

So did they vote for Hillary Clinton, the former Goldwater Girl?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 17, 2019 06:03 PM (fqUgw)

166 Smart man and nicely explained. I wonder how Thanksgiving dinner is at the Podheratz table.
Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 05:47 PM (XROPS)

The turkey on the table isn't the only one there.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 06:03 PM (NWiLs)

167 Someone around here a few months ago told us how to get around paywalls using outline.com, and that's how I'm reading the article.

Go to outline.com and put in the URL for the Claremont article, and then some kind of magic happens and you can read it all of a sudden.

Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 06:04 PM (aXucN)

168 Do you think it was a coincidence that Barr announced during his Congressional hearings the other day that the FBI spied on Trump and he would be investigating the investigators?
---------

It wouldn't surprise me if that statement caused Mueller to want to redact a lot more of his report.

Barr can say, Well, Mueller wanted that, and of course, [insert name of Dem] we all respect Mr. Mueller.

Posted by: Miklos, about to seriously enjoy this at April 17, 2019 06:04 PM (QzkSJ)

169 132 Kevin Magnussen is Danish
Kimi Raikkonen is Finnish
Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2019 05:56 PM (BbGew)

And Rassmussen is a Poll.

Posted by: josephistan at April 17, 2019 06:04 PM (Izzlo)

170 ... another thing i saw on kristol's twitter account was he called trump authoritarian. i've seen others call trump a dictator (most recently pelosi saying the next election is about saving the constitution), but i don't get it. nothing trump has done is unconstitutional or against the law, certainly nothing like what obama did regularly or the corrupted deep state. again, i don't get it. maybe it's a style thing.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 06:05 PM (Pg+x7)

171 How are people so incredibly dumb to not see the left is the left is the left and has been for a century? Did they miss the death, famine and destruction of the 20th century? Do they not see these people for who and what they are? How?
Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:01 PM (nRWPy)

A) They are dumb
B) Group think
C) They are dumb

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 06:05 PM (Y+V3r)

172 Posted by: Future Ace at April 17, 2019 05:53 PM (PbpT7)

For a movie reference, see Braveheart with King Longshanks and his "soft" son.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 17, 2019 05:58 PM (jxbfJ)

I have also noticed that at some level they seem to be ashamed of their raising, and aspire to be more like Euroweenies. Which has also always baffled me.

Posted by: Red-headed 'ette at April 17, 2019 06:05 PM (5Q+j+)

173 twitter picked a hell of a time to go off line.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 06:05 PM (/tuJf)

174
what's going on with the Finnish stuff today?

I think we're almost done with it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 06:06 PM (HaL55)

175 He gets a lot of crap for being all talk but that's pretty much all he can do in his job as congressman when there are hearings.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Nunes has made criminal referrals. You'd think Gowdy would know how to do that.

Posted by: Miklos, seriously about to seriously enjoy this at April 17, 2019 06:07 PM (QzkSJ)

176 again, i don't get it. maybe it's a style thing.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 06:05 PM (Pg+x7)

Projection.
They want to be tyrants and so they accuse others of their sins.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 17, 2019 06:07 PM (bcbK8)

177 173 twitter picked a hell of a time to go off line.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 06:05 PM (/tuJf)

Long may it last

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 17, 2019 06:07 PM (bcbK8)

178 There's a graphic over at Whatfinger.com which shows Trump saying that it's not really about him that the left is going nuts about.

It's because he's in their way to destroy US.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at April 17, 2019 06:07 PM (dOJIo)

179 This warms my heart.
Norm Pod still has the same sharp mind, the same gutsiness, and the same integrity.

Ace's contrast between the blue-collar dad(s) and the spoiled brat(s) is spot on.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 17, 2019 06:07 PM (Rxduq)

180 Is there such a thing as "Finnish" pastry?

Munkki.

Deep fried dough, covered in sugar.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2019 06:07 PM (9t0Zz)

181 Nunes has made criminal referrals. You'd think Gowdy would know how to do that.
Posted by: Miklos, seriously about to seriously enjoy this at April 17, 2019 06:07 PM (QzkSJ)

that would get in the way of his speechifying grand-standing

Posted by: batterup at April 17, 2019 06:08 PM (U2JQS)

182 175
He gets a lot of crap for being all talk but that's pretty much all he can do in his job as congressman when there are hearings.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor



Nunes has made criminal referrals. You'd think Gowdy would know how to do that.

Posted by: Miklos, seriously about to seriously enjoy this at April 17, 2019 06:07 PM (QzkSJ)
What? And not waste all those years of endless hearings just to capture one or two soundbites?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 17, 2019 06:08 PM (jxbfJ)

183 i had the same thought and almost linked that video to accompany this, the "What news of the north?" defenstration.

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:02 PM (PbpT7)


"Who is this person who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 06:08 PM (ASicf)

184 "No," Michael Caine says. "He was my boss."

Robert Parker used a similar line a couple of times for Spenser. People would demand to speak to his superior.

"I have no superior," said Spenser. "I'm not sure I have an equal."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:08 PM (39g3+)

185 what's going on with the Finnish stuff today?

I think we're almost done with it.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 06:06 PM (HaL55)
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We're almost Finnished, you mean.

Posted by: bluebell at April 17, 2019 06:08 PM (aXucN)

186 >>Nunes has made criminal referrals. You'd think Gowdy would know how to do that.

Yea but he made them this week, none before. Gowdy is gone.

By the way, the famous Nunes memo that has been proven exactly correct and laid out some of the early evidence of corruption, written largely by Gowdy.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 06:08 PM (/tuJf)

187 Hooray for the Pod person!

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:09 PM (v0R5T)

188 118 106 earlier today, for the first time, i took a look at kristol's twitter account. he is offering the democrats any assistance they need to defeat trump. literally.

i've long given up trying to figure out his anti-trumpism. it's bizarre.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 05:50 PM (Pg+x7)

All I've got now is that he has raging daddy issues.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2019 05:52 PM (RD7QR)

I guess he's not ashamed of being both stupid and evil.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at April 17, 2019 06:09 PM (eAMlh)

189 >>>Robert Parker used a similar line a couple of times for Spenser. People would demand to speak to his superior.

"I have no superior," said Spenser. "I'm not sure I have an equal."

...

"You don't think much of me, do you, Mr. Roarke?"

"I don't think of you."

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:10 PM (PbpT7)

190 "You know, I was raised to believe that the last thing in the world you defend is your own, and I am proud to have overcome that education."

That's a great quote.

Posted by: mediapostate at April 17, 2019 06:10 PM (+ZhJh)

191 Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 06:05 PM (/tuJf)
*******
Running for me

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 06:10 PM (BqBId)

192 It's because he's in their way to destroy US.


Yes. With a noticeable overtone of demonic.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 17, 2019 06:10 PM (lwiT4)

193
Let's not forget the admin that negotiated the NAFTA agreement; Bushes.

It was Clinton that signed it and was complicit but it was Bush's minions that wrote that sucker.

The
like of ppl like mittens and mccain and a bunch of others that saw
their chance to destroy the American middle class so as to help usher in
their New World Order (Bush again).

I was already suspicious but
it was confirmed when I saw how chummy the Bush family was with the
Clintons. After all the scummy things their minions said about Bush and
he's lauging and yucking it up with the head scumbag was a revelation.


Oh, trust me, I haven't forgotten who engineered that horrendous piece of shit law. It was done on purpose to gut the Middle Class, whom the Progressive Globalists you mentioned saw as their mortal enemies due to their opposition of their New World Order.
They can all FOAD and DIAF. They hate us for no reason. They're sick control-freaks who are the exact wrong people to have in power.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 06:10 PM (HaL55)

194 twitter picked a hell of a time to go off line.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 06:05 PM (/tuJf)

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I just got right to Trump's feed via PC.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 17, 2019 06:10 PM (ffYR/)

195 Nunes has made criminal referrals. You'd think Gowdy would know how to do that.

Under the Obama administration what was pointless, but yeah he could have under Trump.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:10 PM (39g3+)

196 161 Is there anyone, for example, who believes that the Clintons give a rat's ass about working class Americans?

_______________

I hate those deplorable people! Hate them so much that when Bill and my other idiot advisers told me to go to Wisconsin and hold rallies with those vile low-lifes, I said I'd rather lose the f*cking election than spend any more time in the presence of those common hicks!

I'm too good for those stupid motherf*ckers! Where's my vodka?!? I told you asshole Secret Service serfs never to look directly at me! I will keeeeeeeel you!!!

Posted by: Hilliary Clinton at April 17, 2019 06:10 PM (fqUgw)

197 >>Running for me

It's only down in certain areas. The northeast has a lot of outage areas.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 06:11 PM (/tuJf)

198 "I'm from the working class--my father was a milk man."
.........

John Kasich hardest hit.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:11 PM (v0R5T)

199 Shorter summary:
"Not our kind, muffy" is not a good enough reason to reject conservative policies.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 17, 2019 06:11 PM (hYUjK)

200 "I never let my schooling get in the way of my education." -- Mark Twain, approximately

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:11 PM (PbpT7)

201 153 I went to snobby private schools and snobby elite colleges and grad schools. I have snobby elite degrees and I worked at snobby elite companies, sent my kids to private school. I've always lived inside the beltway or in NYC. My father had a PhD, my husband is a very successful attorney. So by all rights, I should "look down" on Trump? Why?

I did cringe at first by the way he talks. However, when I listened to what he said, it was fine, or actually good, policy-wise.
I went into college, literally AFTER converting my parents from democrats to republicans and sat through all those idiot professors pushing marxism knowing exactly what they were doing. Rolled my eyes at my idiot contemporaries carrying on about Reagan getting us killed and took the "young democrat" bus to vote for Jesse Helms.
I have no idea why people are such fucking sheep. The media/leftist complex is so obvious to me that it hurts. The hate America first crowd has been and is still the victim and co-conspirator of global communism. How that's not screaming at them, I do not know.

How are people so incredibly dumb to not see the left is the left is the left and has been for a century? Did they miss the death, famine and destruction of the 20th century? Do they not see these people for who and what they are? How?
Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:01 PM (nRWPy)

Puzzling isn't it? I also don't know how the hyper partisan and deeply stupid media has credibility with anyone.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at April 17, 2019 06:12 PM (eAMlh)

202 Yup....the cuck conservatives are all about bitch slapping each other around but when it comes to attacking the demofascists they fold up like a wet taco with extra wet.

See McStain 2008 and Utah via Massachusetts Mitt 2012.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 17, 2019 06:12 PM (Z+IKu)

203 I need to go re-watch some old Michael Caine movies.


I have always found Rupprecht a personal model and inspiration. Caine's character's consideration was touching.

Posted by: Miklos, a Dirty Rotten Scoundrel at April 17, 2019 06:12 PM (QzkSJ)

204
How are people so incredibly dumb to not see the left is the left is the left and has been for a century? Did they miss the death, famine and destruction of the 20th century? Do they not see these people for who and what they are? How?
Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:01 PM (nRWPy)
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I honestly think the difference is whether or not people want to make the effort required to think for themselves.

We should make plans for lunch!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2019 06:12 PM (MVjcR)

205 Is "Ace" "ace"?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 17, 2019 06:13 PM (4e+hS)

206 >>>"Not our kind, muffy" is not a good enough reason to reject conservative policies.

a defense industry guy I know, a blue-collar military guy, calls all the non-military, trust-fund types that control the pentagon bureaucracy "Muffy, Buffy, and Biff."

Everything is "Muffy, Buffy, and Biff." Muffy, Buffy, and Biff decide everything, and don't really care what the soldiers and marines might say about it.

Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:13 PM (PbpT7)

207
We're almost Finnished, you mean.

'Purt near*,' as we used to say back home in Alabama.

*Pretty near, or close to the conclusion of the meme.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 06:13 PM (HaL55)

208 That's not my munnki.

Posted by: Peter Sellers at April 17, 2019 06:13 PM (hjaPQ)

209 federalist - Sandy Ocasio Cortez's green new deal short film is delusional
https://tinyurl.com/yxkywubj

She pulls the same bull shit 3,000 people lost their lives during the Puerto Rico hurricane but goes into the utopia that is a Green new deal

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2019 06:13 PM (BbGew)

210 Is "Ace" "ace"?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 17, 2019 06:13 PM (4e+hS)


He gave himself a promotion.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 06:13 PM (ASicf)

211 ... but i think podhoretz has an important insight (for me at least) when he says trump's appeal is because he fights. many have applied lincoln's comment on grant "we need this man, he fights" to trump (i have). but there's another level here. for "middle america", fly over country, the deplorable, not only have been mis- or under-represented, but we've seen 20 years of backpedaling and acquiescence to the left. trump's fans early on (earlier than me) saw that combativeness as necessary. and it's true. trump is the only guy who's fought back since reagan.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 06:13 PM (Pg+x7)

212 199 Shorter summary:
"Not our kind, muffy" is not a good enough reason to reject conservative policies.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 17, 2019 06:11 PM (hYUjK)

There was an article yesterday on the Catholic Thing about how the Left's knee-jerk support of abortion is largely class-based against the people who are pro-life.

Posted by: josephistan at April 17, 2019 06:14 PM (Izzlo)

213 Betcha the Russians have read it for free.

Posted by: torabora at April 17, 2019 06:14 PM (Y274z)

214 Norman's a mensch.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 17, 2019 06:14 PM (oVJmc)

215 Critical judgement; By the time they get to college or really by the time they leave elementary school, has been erased.

Posted by: Clifton at April 17, 2019 06:14 PM (3oCng)

216 Jeff "Skunk" Baxter is working for the works as a missile analyst for some Congressional committee. That's gotta be an interesting committee.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 06:15 PM (/tuJf)

217 SPECIAL AGENT MOSELY: It's a federal offense to impersonate an FBI officer.

JACK WALSH: Yeah? Why haven't they picked up you yet?

Posted by: ace, just quoting good lines now at April 17, 2019 06:15 PM (PbpT7)

218 Is "Ace" "ace"?

Some days he feels more capital than others

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:15 PM (39g3+)

219 I rented Holmes and Watson, it was not the worst movie ever, or this year.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 17, 2019 06:16 PM (4e+hS)

220 ... and trump's fans, his base, see him not only as speaking for their economic interests, but also in a fight against the cultural left.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 06:16 PM (Pg+x7)

221 My real revelation about the Dems/left was when I saw they were a hive mind (aka the Borg) and could be analogized as a colony of bees whereas a select few make the decisions and the others follow along and react as they are shown to by their 'leaders'.

The media is part and parcel of this phenom. Some of the media are thought leaders and some are just worker bees and following along.

You signal you're belonging by saying and doing and acting in the manner approved. which is why they take words so seriously and threatening because of our words are successful, they will be destroyed or changed forever.

That' there hasn't been more bloodshed is the only surprising thing to me.

Maybe 2020 will be the cherry on the sundae and we can finally let it all out.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at April 17, 2019 06:16 PM (dOJIo)

222 SECURITY GUARD/THUG: What are you writing down?

LEW ARCHER: I'm composing an Elizabethan sonnet.

THUG: Yeah? Let me see that.

ARCHER: Sorry. I never show a work in progress.

Posted by: ace, just quoting good lines now at April 17, 2019 06:17 PM (PbpT7)

223 Mom is half Finnish.

Dad would sometimes ask, "when will be all Finnish?"

She would roll her eyes.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at April 17, 2019 06:17 PM (xPJvm)

224 Norman sounds a little like Ace was.

Trump curious at first before finally locking in.

I don't mind NeverTrump, they are just douches that got cut from the team. The ones I spent a lot of time online arguing with were AlwaysTrumpers, the ones that want to purge late comers because they weren't of the pure AlwaysTrump bloodline and denounce anyone who had ever questioned High King Trump.

Most of those folks have faded now.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 17, 2019 06:17 PM (l5Hsl)

225
I have always found Rupprecht a personal model and inspiration. Caine's character's consideration was touching.

"Excuse me, may I go to the bathroom first?"

"Of course you may."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 06:17 PM (HaL55)

226 I honestly think the difference is whether or not people want to make the effort required to think for themselves.

We should make plans for lunch!
Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2019 06:12 PM (MVjcR)

Yes! Someone just gave me a whole handful of "free appetizer Glory Days" cards.


People have all kinds of opinions about stupid shit but they can't see the world on a grand scale? Did they really just MISS the soviets and cuba? Venezuela and North Korea? The "war on poverty" and the "great leap forward?" Did they miss that day in school? Did they not hear about the founding and what that meant? Did they really miss history and want what? To be hip with the left?


Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:17 PM (nRWPy)

227 ... thanks for posting that interview. content i'll actually read.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 06:17 PM (Pg+x7)

228 from the last topic, re: Mueller and Seth Meyer's impending doom of destroying trump!

if the donks say Barr lacks "ah,...an independence from Trump" then what galactic overlord has certified their independence from batshit insane anti-trumpist liberalism. none.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at April 17, 2019 06:17 PM (9AcAx)

229 Mom is half Finnish.

Dad would sometimes ask, "when will be all Finnish?"

She would roll her eyes.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at April 17, 2019 06:17 PM (xPJvm)
+++++++++++
Not possible. Finland isn't real...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 17, 2019 06:17 PM (I2dne)

230 he says trump's appeal is because he fights. many have applied lincoln's comment on grant "we need this man, he fights"


"Find out what size Diet Coke he drinks, and send the other politicians a case."

Posted by: Miklos, paraphrasing at April 17, 2019 06:18 PM (QzkSJ)

231 Finnish pastries are generally served at wedding receptions and funerals, with first selection going to the survivors of the evening puukko fight.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 17, 2019 06:18 PM (XnuYA)

232 like "Barr was nominated by trump so he can't decide stuff"

"well you're a drooling anti-trump lunatic, who should take what you have to say, without evidence, seriously."

Posted by: Keto not Beto at April 17, 2019 06:18 PM (9AcAx)

233 I think Trump's biggest appeal to most Americans is that he represents a repudiation and a voice of opposition to political correctness. We had gotten like 24 years of it non stop and people were sick to death of that crap. Trump stepped up and flipped all of them off. He's the personification of that guy who wouldn't kneel to Loki.

Every time the left freaks out and demands everyone kneel to PC, more people remember why they voted for Trump. We used to warn them that this was how they got Trump to begin with, but it was like talking to a cat.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:18 PM (39g3+)

234 Finland, Finland, Finland,
The country where I want to be,
Pony trekking or camping,
Or just watching TV,
Finland, Finland, Finland,
It's the country for me.You're so near to Russia,
So far from Japan,
Quite a long way from Cairo,
Lots of miles from Vietnam.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 17, 2019 06:19 PM (d7Ww2)

235 Easy to explain. Right or wrong, the older generation of conservatives came by their beliefs out of conviction and love of country.

The newer generation saw the movement they built as an easy paycheck and never had any beliefs beyond personal enrichment.

Because they only ever cared about wealth and prestige, they were easy prey for the highly committed Left, who rolled them like a log.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 06:19 PM (i1JHD)

236 231 Finnish pastries are generally served at wedding receptions and funerals, with first selection going to the survivors of the evening puukko fight.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 17, 2019 06:18 PM (XnuYA)

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Wait, I thought Danish pastries were Finnish, as in, "I Finnished my Danish."

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 17, 2019 06:19 PM (qC1Sy)

237 Some days he feels more capital than others
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Capital, old boy! Capital, I say, what?

Posted by: Miklos, Third Baronet of Molnar at April 17, 2019 06:19 PM (QzkSJ)

238 233 taylor - yup. that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 06:20 PM (Pg+x7)

239 Someone educate me. What the fuck is a Neocon? I've always been conservative as long as I was even dimly politically aware. Neocon="new" conservative and I might change given the right cock tale parties?

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 17, 2019 06:20 PM (0OmEj)

240 I rented Holmes and Watson, it was not the worst movie ever, or this year.

So just the worst movie this decade, then?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:20 PM (39g3+)

241 here's the whole song

Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I want to be
Pony trekking or camping
Or just watching TV
Finland, Finland, Finland
It's the country for me

You're so near to Russia
So far from Japan
Quite a long way from Cairo
Lots of miles from Vietnam

Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I want to be
Eating breakfast or dinner
Or snack lunch in the hall
Finland, Finland, Finland
Finland has it all

You're so sadly neglected
And often ignored
A poor second to Belgium
When going abroad

Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I quite want to be
Your mountains so lofty
Your treetops so tall
Finland, Finland, Finland
Finland has it all

Oh focus on Finland friends

Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I quite want to be
Your mountains so lofty
Your treetops so tall
Finland, Finland, Finland
Finland has it all, Finland has it all

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 17, 2019 06:20 PM (d7Ww2)

242 i agree with the sentiment but it's not about "The common man," exactly. There are plenty of uncommon men who oppose them.

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or if you define your terms by who opposes your point of view...the "common man" thing or "punch a naaazi" thing is very easy to do.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (9AcAx)

243 Trump is now saying he might have a presser tomorrow, too.

Gonna be a fun day.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (/tuJf)

244 Wait, I thought Danish pastries were Finnish, as in, "I Finnished my Danish."
Posted by: blake

Still Hungary?

Posted by: Miklos, liking langos at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (QzkSJ)

245 And as if on cue, that fat toad Goldberg has a turgid pile of "ooh, you shouldn't own the libs!" piece out...Goldberg is the whole nevertrump dementia all wrapped up in one gelatinous eggroll - arrogant but stupid, haughty but visually repulsive, snotty but without a serious argument. He's everything that is to be despised of the previous regime of elites.

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (32YRo)

246

Jeff "Skunk" Baxter is working for the works as a missile analyst for
some Congressional committee. That's gotta be an interesting committee.


He's been a defense contractor for quite a few years. UToob has a good speech from a while back where he outlines what he did to win a war game.

He brings up a valid point: to paraphrase, he axed the crowd, "Who here would give their lives for their country?"
Show of hands.
"OK, now who would give up their paycheck?"
No hands.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (HaL55)

247 I'm strong to the Finnish
Cuz I eats me spinach

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (v0R5T)

248 From Barstools To Green Deals by Sandy Cortez.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (+y/Ru)

249 Norman Podhoretz>John Podhoretz
Irving Kristol>Soy Kristol
William F. Buckley>Christopher Buckley

Frank Sinatra>Frank Sinatra Jr.

That's just the way it is.

Posted by: Mr. D at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (1sNHT)

250 I have to say that I was not impressed by Podhoretz's interview. Yeah ... yeah ... he eventually came around to the sensible point of view, but it took him a long time and he had no great insight about it or anything. I'm happy that he's not a total idiot but I didn't see anything impressive in that interview. It would be astoundingly stupid if he hadn't come to most of those positions.

And he wasn't really correct on a lot of things. Having the school put him into speech training had nothing to do with his parents thinking that the teachers and schools knew everything. Nothing of the sort. Back then, immigrants were embarrassed by their accents and certainly wanted their kids to have no accents and "be American". It wasn't about the schools having any great knowledge.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (ASicf)

251 I think Trump's biggest appeal to most Americans is that he represents a repudiation and a voice of opposition to political correctness. We had gotten like 24 years of it non stop and people were sick to death of that crap. Trump stepped up and flipped all of them off. He's the personification of that guy who wouldn't kneel to Loki.

Every time the left freaks out and demands everyone kneel to PC, more people remember why they voted for Trump. We used to warn them that this was how they got Trump to begin with, but it was like talking to a cat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:18 PM (39g3+)
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I think it goes deeper than that. He identified - without ever actually saying these words (in fact he might not know it except viscerally) - what PC actually is.

The pro-PC crowd talks about how it's about being nice, or being inoffensive, or accommodating minorities. It isn't. That's just the window dressing. PC is really about hating, belittling, marginalizing and ultimately destroy normality. Normal Americans, those outside the bi-coastal elite enclaves, see this even if they don't articulate it.

Trump sees it and fights it on those terms, even though he doesn't articulate it. PC is about destroying normality, and that is why it is so hated. It isn't about being polite.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (I2dne)

252 Yeah, good post.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (4e+hS)

253 Mom is half Finnish.

Did you eat a lot of Munkki?

I rented Holmes and Watson, it was not the worst movie ever, or this year.

Will Ferrell is anti-funny to me. He could stand next to the greatest comics of all time while they doing their best bits and Ferrell's mere presence would make them as dull as Dilbert.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (9t0Zz)

254 then there's the whole Hunstmanesque wing of the party that can't believe they have a base who doesn't buy into liberal tenets of faith.

"unlike my voters, I believe in science"

Posted by: Keto not Beto at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (9AcAx)

255 Someone educate me. What the fuck is a Neocon? I've always been conservative as long as I was even dimly politically aware. Neocon="new" conservative and I might change given the right cock tale parties?
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 17, 2019 06:20 PM (0OmEj)

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Generally used to describe the war hawk Cons, like McStain.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (ffYR/)

256 There's snobbery in it and there's genuine, you might say, aesthetic revulsion.

In other words, butt-hurt narcissists.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (uAgHA)

257 >>>And as if on cue, that fat toad Goldberg has a turgid pile of "ooh, you shouldn't own the libs!" piece out...Goldberg is the whole nevertrump dementia all wrapped up in one gelatinous eggroll - arrogant but stupid, haughty but visually repulsive, snotty but without a serious argument. He's everything that is to be despised of the previous regime of elites.

...

correct.

Posted by: ace, just quoting good lines now at April 17, 2019 06:23 PM (PbpT7)

258 Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I quite want to be


From the glorious Contractual Obligation album, which almost certainly was them being told by the record company that they were under contract to put out another album. So its full of songs that are deliberately obnoxious or awful like "I Like Traffic Lights" but because its Monty Python still manages to be hilarious

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:23 PM (39g3+)

259 Frank Sinatra>Frank Sinatra Jr.

That's just the way it is.
Posted by: Mr. D

Nancy Sinatra?

Posted by: Miklos, with potentially valid question at April 17, 2019 06:23 PM (QzkSJ)

260 Trump is a Democrat. Always has been. But he's the sort of Democrat (policy-wise) who ran against Reagan or Eisenhower.

What's incredible is that, today, that makes him "right-wing". It makes him a vastly superior choice to a lot or *Republicans*, fer cryin' out loud.

It does NOT make him a conservative. But it DOES make him the next best thing. And we have to start SOMEwhere.
(And, hell yes, he fights! We need people who will stop listening to the "oh but you need to not alienate anyone" crowd. Hopefully Trump is just a start.)

Posted by: GWB at April 17, 2019 06:23 PM (ugHaR)

261 Good News! Alain Garcia, a leftist piece of shit former President of Peru, shot himself in the head today as he was about to be arrested for corruption charges.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 06:23 PM (Kpl3J)

262 The people who led us in losing for a long time are the people who gave us Trump, really, and they are pissed about our rebellion.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 17, 2019 06:24 PM (oVJmc)

263 Hiya fellas!

Posted by: Tom of Finland at April 17, 2019 06:24 PM (RJcOX)

264 "You don't think much of me, do you, Mr. Roarke?"

"I don't think of you."
Posted by: Ace at April 17, 2019 06:10 PM (PbpT7)

---------------

Love that quote from "The Fountainhead."

Though, I really wish msn.com wouldn't have used "The Banner" as a guide.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 17, 2019 06:24 PM (qC1Sy)

265 Someone educate me. What the fuck is a Neocon? I've always been conservative as long as I was even dimly politically aware. Neocon="new" conservative and I might change given the right cock tale parties?

As it was first used, it meant someone who became conservative later in life after being a leftist adult for some amount of time.

Then it became code for any slightly conservative Jew.

Then it became a slur against anyone to the right of Stalin, just like alt-right is used today.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2019 06:24 PM (9t0Zz)

266 Did you eat a lot of Munkki?

I hate fucking Munkkis.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 06:25 PM (NWiLs)

267 Admittedly the most attractive thing about Trump for me was that he wasn't Hillary. He has since been more than a pleasant surprise.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 17, 2019 06:25 PM (2DOZq)

268 There was an article yesterday on the Catholic Thing about how the Left's knee-jerk support of abortion is largely class-based against the people who are pro-life.


I like to slap them back with a discussion of who exactly do they consider expendable? Romans left children exposed. Mao killed those who didn't go along with his schemes. Pol Pot had killing fields. The national socialists wanted to kill the retarded. Some people are good with letting old people die or pushing their death. How do you feel about that? So once you decide there are people who shouldn't live, how do you decide there are people who should live? Who decides? What if my idea of who is valuable is different than yours? Should some people get due process and others not? Who decides? Explain to me your phenomenology.

Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:25 PM (nRWPy)

269 He brings up a valid point: to paraphrase, he axed the crowd, "Who here would give their lives for their country?"
Show of hands.
"OK, now who would give up their paycheck?"
No hands.


How many of you would give up wifi or your phone?
*riots break out*

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:25 PM (39g3+)

270 of course, why would smart conservatives, common man or not, have faith in trump if he couldn't fight the spending bill with its treasonous, poison pill section 224.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at April 17, 2019 06:25 PM (9AcAx)

271 Closing Time Romance - A Love Story
by Sandy Corpuscle

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:25 PM (v0R5T)

272 Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (9t0Zz)

+1,000

I have NEVER laughed at will ferrell. Not even to mock.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (dOJIo)

273 Aesthetic Revulsion of the effete? Sounds like an accomplishment to me.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (RuIsu)

274 Finnish pastries are generally served at wedding receptions and funerals, with first selection going to the survivors of the evening puukko fight.


Winners always get first choice of the pluck.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (yQpMk)

275 Still Hungary?
Posted by: Miklos, liking langos at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (QzkSJ)
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Yeah, think i'll dine on some Turkey.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (qC1Sy)

276 I'll bet that Barr will have to spend a lot of time tomorrow explaining the difference between independent and special counsel.

But but but, Ken Starr released everything!

Ok, again...

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (gC2IV)

277 "William F. Buckley>Christopher Buckley"

R. Emmet Tyrell > Bill Buckley

Conrad Black > R. Emmet Tyrell

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (32YRo)

278 And as if on cue, that fat toad Goldberg has a turgid pile of "ooh, you shouldn't own the libs!" piece out...Goldberg is the whole nevertrump dementia all wrapped up in one gelatinous eggroll - arrogant but stupid, haughty but visually repulsive, snotty but without a serious argument. He's everything that is to be despised of the previous regime of elites.



***

Pure poetry.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 06:27 PM (XROPS)

279 As it was first used, it meant someone who became conservative later in life after being a leftist adult for some amount of time.

Then it became code for any slightly conservative Jew.

Then it became a slur against anyone to the right of Stalin, just like alt-right is used today.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2019 06:24 PM (9t0Zz)

ecaxtly. it is now used to smear people. It should never be used anymore.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 06:27 PM (Y+V3r)

280 I have NEVER laughed at will ferrell. Not even to mock.


Not even Mugatu?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 06:27 PM (yQpMk)

281 I like the Kazakh National Anthem best of all.

Kazakhstan greatest country in the world all other countrys are run by little girls. Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium! Other countries have inferior potassium. Kazakhstan home of the tinshein swimming pool it's length thirty metre ans width six metre. Filtration system a marvel to behold it removes 80 percent of human solid waste. Kazakhstan,Kazakhstan, you very nice place, from plains of tarashenk to northern fence of jewtown. Kazakhstan, friend of all except Uzbekistan, they very nosey people withe bone in theire brain. Kazakhstan, industry best in the world, we invented toffee and the trouser belt. Kazakhstan, prostitutes cleanest in the region, except of course for Turkmenistan's. Kazakhstan,Kazakhstan, you very nice place, from plains of tarashenk to northern fence of jewtown. Come grasp the mighty phenis of our leader, from juction with testes to tip of its face

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 06:28 PM (Kpl3J)

282 But he's the sort of Democrat (policy-wise) who ran against Reagan or Eisenhower.


Posted by: GWB at April 17, 2019 06:23 PM (ugHaR)


Mondale ran against Reagan. Mondale was pond scum.

Trump is pro-American, pro-national sovereignty/private property, and pro-winning. That's what he is. And he has become more and more pro-Constitution as time has gone on.

There's not much else outside of that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 06:28 PM (ASicf)

283 ecaxtly. it is now used to smear people. It should never be used anymore.
Posted by: Nevergiveup

That's MY job!

Posted by: Bob Smucker at April 17, 2019 06:28 PM (QzkSJ)

284 261 Good News! Alain Garcia, a leftist piece of shit former President of Peru, shot himself in the head today as he was about to be arrested for corruption charges.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 06:23 PM (Kpl3J)

I'm going with that story but it's South America and if later on it's discovered that the he didn't shoot himself, I won't be shocked.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 17, 2019 06:28 PM (2DOZq)

285 Still Hungary?
Posted by: Miklos, liking langos at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (QzkSJ)
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Yeah, think i'll dine on some Turkey.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (qC1Sy)
........

Use the good China.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:28 PM (v0R5T)

286 the earlier commenter is correct; it was their hatred of common man. and having been proved wrong, they are of too low a character to not go into face saving mode. they are the shitheel ponces we thought they were.

Posted by: x at April 17, 2019 06:28 PM (nFwvY)

287 NONE of these people hate Trump. It was never about Trump. It's about Trumpers. It always has been. They loathe the Common Man.

And Trump was the only one who stood up for them/us when we were begging for a representative to do just that and gave better than he got because he knew how.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 17, 2019 05:48 PM (6eEQ+)

The same slice of "Elite" Republicans also hated Reagan and Reaganism until they killed it.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 17, 2019 06:29 PM (FTPn0)

288 >>I'll bet that Barr will have to spend a lot of time tomorrow explaining the difference between independent and special counsel.

>>But but but, Ken Starr released everything!

>>Ok, again...

There was nobody more instant back then that Starr's entire report should not have been released than fat Jerry Nadler.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 06:29 PM (/tuJf)

289 I have NEVER laughed at will ferrell. Not even to mock.

I can take him in small doses, when he's not the main character. He was kinda funny as Trebek, I liked Zoolander okay.

He's just a huge letdown from guys like Phil Hartman

Its like the John Belushi - John Candy - Chris Farley decline. But Farrell is ten steps further, past the janitor and the bum out back of SNL studios drinking MD out of a paper bag

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:29 PM (39g3+)

290 Is there such a thing as "Finnish" pastry?

Munkki.
Deep fried dough, covered in sugar.
Posted by: bonhomme


How about that, it is.

I was sure that this would be source of the name for "monkey bread", which is just be a pan full of munkii, all glued together into a big caramel roll. But "monkey bread" is based on something from Hungary, according to wiki...

Posted by: mikeski at April 17, 2019 06:29 PM (P1f+c)

291 I'm going with that story but it's South America and if later on it's discovered that the he didn't shoot himself, I won't be shocked.

Posted by: Can't resist

Jumped out of a free helicopter ride?

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 06:29 PM (32YRo)

292 And as if on cue, that fat toad Goldberg has a turgid pile of "ooh, you shouldn't own the libs!" piece out...Goldberg is the whole nevertrump dementia all wrapped up in one gelatinous eggroll - arrogant but stupid, haughty but visually repulsive, snotty but without a serious argument. He's everything that is to be despised of the previous regime of elites.

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (32YRo)


Goucher College

Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:30 PM (nRWPy)

293 51 Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm on sale for $249 at Palmetto State Armory.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 17, 2019 05:40 PM (Gkwm4

Have a .45 Shield. Have put around 400 rounds through it. Very comfortable pistol to shoot. It's going to be my carry weapon.

Posted by: Sooner at April 17, 2019 06:30 PM (KvLyp)

294 They really really hate the fact that Christians are sticking with Trump.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 17, 2019 06:30 PM (lwiT4)

295 https://outline.com/tbwy4h

Posted by: Tim of Angle at April 17, 2019 06:30 PM (ybRAS)

296 But "monkey bread" is based on something from Hungary, according to wiki...


True fact, Hungarians have never seen a monkey. Not once.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 06:30 PM (yQpMk)

297 Explain to me your phenomenology.

Sure thing, one second.

*Goes to get the big, unabridged dictionary off the shelf.*

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2019 06:30 PM (9t0Zz)

298 I laughed at Will Ferrell when he was arguing about whether it was better to pray to Baby Jesus or to Grown Up Jesus.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 06:31 PM (Kpl3J)

299 The media is neither liberal, nor mainstream. They are urban.

Posted by: Quilp at April 17, 2019 06:31 PM (hy2H4)

300 Trump is a Democrat. Always has been. But he's the sort of Democrat (policy-wise) who ran against Reagan or Eisenhower.

What's incredible is that, today, that makes him "right-wing". It makes him a vastly superior choice to a lot or *Republicans*, fer cryin' out loud.

It does NOT make him a conservative. But it DOES make him the next best thing. And we have to start SOMEwhere.
(And, hell yes, he fights! We need people who will stop listening to the "oh but you need to not alienate anyone" crowd. Hopefully Trump is just a start.)
Posted by: GWB at April 17, 2019 06:23 PM (ugHaR)
++++++++++
In the sixties, he'd have been a Democrat. In the seventies, he probably could have run as either party. His platform is quite centrist.

This is the problem - the right isn't anchored in anything and so it just becomes about "don't move any further left." If the further move left comes, that becomes the new defensive position. I think that may be starting to change. This isn't about policy differences any more.

I would love to have a policy disagreement but in order to do that, my opponent and I would have to share *some* fundamental foundation stones. If we can agree that Western civilization is good and worth preserving, that free speech is sacrosanct, that public government is superior to all other known types of government, that merit should be the arbiter of success, that government 'doing things' must necessarily come at the expense of individuals 'doing things' and that it should be assessed on those terms, that nation-states are sovereign, that market economics and property rights are the foundation of a healthy economy and polity and restrictions on them should be carefully and soberly considered - then I can debate policy.

The problem with the new Left is that they share not one single thing with anyone else. The old Left was a group with whom you could have a policy disagreement because they did share those core precepts. You cannot negotiate or bargain with someone who's core precepts are perfectly antithetical to your own. This is where the new Left lives, and it is why they must be destroyed. Once the existential threat is removed, we can go back to policy disagreements where a Dem might *not* be a bad guy - just a guy with whom other not-bad guys disagree.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 17, 2019 06:31 PM (I2dne)

301 Does FOX have a new business model? Suck up to the nearest Dem?

Posted by: Pete Seria at April 17, 2019 06:31 PM (7ZQe3)

302 Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I quite want to be

squeeeeeek

Posted by: A. Dolphin at April 17, 2019 06:31 PM (v0R5T)

303 Generally used to describe the war hawk Cons, like McStain.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 17, 2019 06:22 PM (ffYR/)


But it actually means a certain group (who had a lot of Jewish members, so it gets that slur with it, too) of liberals who couldn't side with their non-patriotic brethren when it came to actually fighting the Soviet Union. So, they became conservatives where foreign policy was concerned - including being of the opinion that you should fight the proxy wars, and "nation-build" in order to stop the Soviets from doing so. They joined a lot of conservative magazines and such and wrote some great (and some not-so-great) conservative foreign policy pieces.

Some of them became conservative in other ways, too. (Hard to be anti-Soviet and not be at least something of a free-market capitalist.) Then there were folks like The Captain.

Some of them became Republicans instead of conservatives, and they were often the people turning the GOP from the party-of-small-gov't into the party-of-big-but-efficient-so-it-costs-less-gov't.

Posted by: GWB at April 17, 2019 06:31 PM (ugHaR)

304 I hate fucking Munkkis.

You have to let them cool for a minute after they come out of the fryer.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2019 06:32 PM (9t0Zz)

305 Cuckservites are insiders. They are part of the status quo, no matter how broken that status is.

Ergo, they hate outsider Trump.

Posted by: John Bolton at April 17, 2019 06:32 PM (NgKpN)

306 291 I'm going with that story but it's South America and if later on it's discovered that the he didn't shoot himself, I won't be shocked.

Posted by: Can't resist

Jumped out of a free helicopter ride?
Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 06:29 PM (32YRo)

No still shot. Just that he wasn't the one doing the shooting.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 17, 2019 06:32 PM (2DOZq)

307 Posted by: John Bolton at April 17, 2019 06:32 PM (NgKpN)

Major Sock FAIL! LOL

Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 06:32 PM (NgKpN)

308 Still Hungary?

Posted by: Miklos, liking langos at April 17, 2019 06:21 PM (QzkSJ)

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Yeah, think i'll dine on some Turkey.



Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (qC1Sy)

........



Use the good China.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:28 PM (v0R5T)

And bring your new jersey in case you get cold.

Posted by: ICU Waiting Room at April 17, 2019 06:32 PM (RJcOX)

309 Munkki.
Deep fried dough, covered in sugar.
Posted by: bonhomme


Okay, that's just a Zeppole or beneigh - hey, its the same dough, the same oil, the same sugar - but from a different country!

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 06:32 PM (32YRo)

310 261 Good News! Alain Garcia, a leftist piece of shit former President of Peru, shot himself in the head today as he was about to be arrested for corruption charges.
Posted by: Tom Servo
_________

I had a professor who could not say Alan Garcia's name without calling him "The Brilliant Alan Garcia".

Posted by: Furious George at April 17, 2019 06:33 PM (9vQJW)

311
I like the Kazakh National Anthem best of all...

*sniff*
That was beautiful, man.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 06:33 PM (HaL55)

312 See BTO: Blue Collar.

Thought it might be Brave Belt, but BTO.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 17, 2019 06:33 PM (RuIsu)

313 But "monkey bread" is based on something from Hungary, according to wiki...
Posted by: mikeski

Wiki lies.

Nobody in Hungary calls anything "monkey bread".

Fried dough in Hungary is called langos, and is not eaten with sugar. Sour cream, cheese, garlic water.

Posted by: Miklos, now Hungary, or Pechis at April 17, 2019 06:33 PM (QzkSJ)

314 I knew a Finnish chap years ago in Lantana, Florida, which is was a colony of Finns back in the 70's.

He would buy old heavy equipment and cars and ship them back to Finland. He was also a huge slumlord and one of the cheapest persons I have ever known.

He had nothing but s's and i's and u's in his name but everyone called him Pomo.

I think he was a Finnish gangster.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 17, 2019 06:33 PM (Z+IKu)

315 I don't know if its true that these elitists don't hate Trump, too. Some Dominick Dunne novels include characters clearly based on The Donald and Ivanka Trump and those two are pretty much laughed at as gauche arrivistes (or whatever the term is). Dunne's stories are usually true w/very thinly disguised characters. The problem was probably more Ivanka's gaudiness.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 06:33 PM (XROPS)

316 298 I laughed at Will Ferrell when he was arguing about whether it was better to pray to Baby Jesus or to Grown Up Jesus.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 06:31 PM (Kpl3J)

Yes Ricky Bobby was funny.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 17, 2019 06:34 PM (2DOZq)

317 I saw that Buttigieg had to back off from calling Mike Pence a "Pharisee" after the Jerusalem Post got on him for playing up malicious Jewish stereotypes for political purposes.

It's looking like Buttigieg's entire schtick is to impress rich white liberals while he pretends to be a "Christian", while in fact he insults and demeans actual Christians at every opportunity. The only thing that makes him a little bit interesting is that he's sucking some of the wind out of Beto's sails; but then, sucking is what he's good at.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Kpl3J)

318 And bring your new jersey in case you get cold Chile.

Posted by: ICU Waiting Room at April 17, 2019 06:32 PM (RJcOX)

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 06:34 PM (ASicf)

319 But "monkey bread" is based on something from Hungary, according to wiki...

....

Aranygaluska!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 17, 2019 06:34 PM (l5Hsl)

320
116

Does McDonalds still offer Danishes?

Their apple danish was sublime.


so were their cherry pies, back when they fried them

Posted by: Anachronda at April 17, 2019 06:34 PM (sGtp+)

321 Shibumi, Thanks for noticing that the address in comment 140 should be a dot org instead of dot com.

Posted by: Mrs. JTB at April 17, 2019 06:35 PM (bmdz3)

322 Yeah, think i'll dine on some Turkey.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (qC1Sy)
+++++++++
For now. Their days are numbered. The Pope got bird flu, which he contracted from his cardinals. In response, the papacy is planning for war with Turkey. And the Canary Islands.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 17, 2019 06:35 PM (I2dne)

323 True fact, Hungarians have never seen a monkey. Not once.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

There was that one time with Cotton.....

Posted by: Miklos, the forgotten Hungarian Little Rascal at April 17, 2019 06:35 PM (QzkSJ)

324 >>>arrivistes (or whatever the term is).

that is the term.

Posted by: ace, just quoting good lines now at April 17, 2019 06:35 PM (PbpT7)

325 I might subscribe, actually. Half the people I talk to talk about it a lot.

And the other half really like pornhub.

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 17, 2019 06:35 PM (sLicW)

326 I'm super late to the thread and the afternoon HQ, but reading this made me wonder, WTH is up with the soyspawn of Ronald Reagan (nasty ballerina Ron, Jr.) and Norman Podhoretz?


Was there something in their wives' breast milk? The water? What?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 06:35 PM (ptqGC)

327 322 Yeah, think i'll dine on some Turkey.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 17, 2019 06:26 PM (qC1Sy)

The turkey is actually named after Turkey.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (2DOZq)

328 287 NONE of these people hate Trump. It was never about Trump. It's about Trumpers. It always has been. They loathe the Common Man.


IDK. I found Trump pretty cringe-worthy early on, but I always take my own advice and ask "What exact policy position is it that you have an issue with?" But I do see the cringy parts. Now I sorta enjoy them because they make the screeching left and nevertrumpers insane. But I don't have an issue with the "common man" really. His inability to speak still makes me crazy, but at least he does speak without fucking teleprompters.

Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (nRWPy)

329 If you're not Hungary
Maybe smoke a little Colombia

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (v0R5T)

330 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 06:28 PM (Kpl3J)

The great part is hearing that done with Mongolian throat singing. It warms my horse-riding cockels almost as much as my enemy's blood running down my sword.

Posted by: Genghis-with-a-G-not-a-J Khan at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (ugHaR)

331 So Buttplug and his "husband" are going to have a child? How... disgusting... Poor kid...

Posted by: It's me donna at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (O2RFr)

332 Nothing has been as good at McD's once they went to vegetable oil for frying. And around 10 years ago they went to a cheaper bun that's dry and nasty. I think their meat quality has gone downhill too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (39g3+)

333 Alain Garcia, a leftist piece of shit former President of Peru, shot himself in the head today as he was about to be arrested for corruption charges.

-----

All's well that Allendes well!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (i1JHD)

334 I'd make a salient point here, but it'd just degenerate into a discussion about leather coats.

Posted by: Regular joe at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (6/uwW)

335 When the cucks are cucking in the cuckhouse, don't be surprised when the fox and raccoon make an appearance.

Posted by: Fritz at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (LuPts)

336 Kristol is a hustler and fraud. He's the Huggy Bear of intellectuals, pimping out his circus act to the highest bidder. He will be finished when the MSM is done using his glory hole for profit.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (+4/lE)

337 Aranygaluska!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

AKA arany morzsa.

It's more of a crumble than a cake.

Posted by: Miklos, the semi- forgotten Hungarian Little Rascal at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (QzkSJ)

338 That's MY job!
Posted by: Bob Smucker


With a name like Smucker...








he's gotta be a Pedophile.











But he calls himself an Ephebophile, or a M.A.P... depending on the day.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2019 06:37 PM (9t0Zz)

339 So Buttplug and his "husband" are going to have a child

have implies doing the deed and popping one out.
They are adopting. There is a difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 06:37 PM (Y+V3r)

340 331 So Buttplug and his "husband" are going to have a child? How... disgusting... Poor kid...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (O2RFr)

Gonna have themselves a little gayby.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 06:37 PM (NWiLs)

341 Or, ...rolled them like the yellow dogs they are.

Posted by: Clifton at April 17, 2019 06:37 PM (3oCng)

342 so were their cherry pies, back when they fried them


What was the reason they stopped frying the things? Health? Cheaper? Or did somebody ignore the HOT! all over the package, break it open and rub it on their gentiles?

I think KFC fries theirs, or at least did a few years back.

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 17, 2019 06:37 PM (sLicW)

343 Trump is a Democrat. Always has been. But he's the sort of Democrat (policy-wise) who ran against Reagan or Eisenhower.

What's incredible is that, today, that makes him "right-wing"


He's unashamedly pro-America. You're right, there used to be Democrats like that. And Republicans.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 06:37 PM (CE5C/)

344 nasty ballerina Ron, Jr.


He's just plain evil.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 17, 2019 06:37 PM (lwiT4)

345
So Buttplug and his "husband" are going to have a child? How... disgusting... Poor kid...

Posted by: It's me donna at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (O2RFr)


Jeebus. Seriously? They won't be "having" a baby, they'll be buying one. Mommies are so yesterday. So are households with mommies and daddies.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 06:37 PM (ptqGC)

346 have implies doing the deed and popping one out.
They are adopting. There is a difference

Oh, still poor kid

Posted by: It's me donna at April 17, 2019 06:38 PM (O2RFr)

347 Kristol is a hustler and fraud. He's the Huggy Bear of intellectuals, pimping out his circus act to the highest bidder. He will be finished when the MSM is done using his glory hole for profit.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (+4/lE)
+++++++++
The anti-Hanson article that went into the Bulwark - he didn't write it, but it is in *his* paper - had the temerity to call VDH a "grifter." The Bulwark. Calling someone *else* a grifter.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 17, 2019 06:38 PM (I2dne)

348 Congresscritter james comer r. kentucky invites AOC to coal mine to debate coal miners issues. He recinds invite when told she will be discussing medicare for all with his constituents!

Posted by: raimondo at April 17, 2019 06:38 PM (RodoF)

349 nasty ballerina Ron, Jr.


He's just plain evil.
Posted by: grammie winger

But a divine dancer!

Posted by: Rahm E. at April 17, 2019 06:38 PM (QzkSJ)

350 Kristol is a hustler and fraud. He's the Huggy Bear of intellectuals

That was the last straw for me with the Starsky and Hutch movie. I wanted to give it a shot, even though I don't really like Ben Stiller and think Owen Wilson is overrated. But when I saw they'd turned a cool cop drama into a cheesy comedy it was obnoxious. Yet the final thing for me to stop watching was turning Huggy Bear into the coolest man on earth and the best person who was always right and better than Starsky and Hutch.

Really? Huggy Bear?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:39 PM (39g3+)

351
nasty ballerina Ron, Jr.
He's just plain evil.


Posted by: grammie winger at April 17, 2019 06:37 PM (lwiT4)


He really is. Honestly, if our son ever turned and became something like that hell spawn, I'd rise up from the dead and smite him myself.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 06:39 PM (ptqGC)

352 So Buttplug and his "husband" are going to have a child?

To be abandoned like Socks the Cat or BO the barbecue if things go south.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 06:39 PM (CE5C/)

353 So Buttplug and his "husband" are going to have a child? How... disgusting... Poor kid...

Posted by: It's me donna at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (O2RFr)
........

They should name him Big Old.
Big Old Buttplug.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:39 PM (v0R5T)

354 Trump is a Democrat. Always has been. But he's the sort of Democrat (policy-wise) who ran against Reagan or Eisenhower.

What's incredible is that, today, that makes him "right-wing"

AND AND AND the weird part is that, yes your mostly correct, and if the left had worked with President Trump instead of viscously attacking him, they would have gotten some or even a lot of what they wanted. LOL.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 06:40 PM (Y+V3r)

355 Posted by: raimondo at April 17, 2019 06:38 PM (RodoF)

What's your point commie?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 17, 2019 06:40 PM (2DOZq)

356 hey guys is it possible to die from genital warts because this is looking really bad now

Posted by: raimondo at April 17, 2019 06:40 PM (i1JHD)

357 Trump is a Democrat.

No Democrat makes those judicial nominations.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 17, 2019 06:40 PM (3RKQd)

358 Happ better straighten up tonight or i say ship him to the Mets

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 06:41 PM (Y+V3r)

359 The turkey is actually named after Turkey.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 17, 2019 06:36 PM (2DOZq)


In Hebrew, India is "turkey". Same in Turkey!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 06:41 PM (ASicf)

360 7 Trump is a Democrat.

Nope, not even close

Posted by: It's me donna at April 17, 2019 06:41 PM (O2RFr)

361 Mondale was pond scum.



Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 06:28 PM (ASicf)


Won't argue that. But his policies were not that far off of center. The Dems are so far gone now that a slightly-left-of-center guy looks like a flaming firebrand of conservatism.
(If you doubt his slightly-left-of-center bona fides, look at his budget, his prison reform, and so on. It's still 1000x better than electing Hillary or Sanders - or any of the folks running as Demos in 2020.)

Posted by: GWB at April 17, 2019 06:41 PM (ugHaR)

362 Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 06:40 PM (Y+V3r)

Yep the more they pushed him the harder he pushed back.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 17, 2019 06:41 PM (2DOZq)

363 Obama needs some American Parents. No max age on gay interracial trans-national adoptions of convenience, izzere?

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 17, 2019 06:41 PM (RuIsu)

364 Nothing has been as good at McD's once they went to vegetable oil for frying.


I don't know how the US (of which CA is not part of) has been doing it, but tallow was outlawed as far as I know decades ago. There was a burger joint in Palo Alto (yes, that Palo Alto) that was called The Bedrock, as in Flintstones. They had awesome burgers, and fried all of their stuff in tallow. That had chili fries to die for. For some reason in the heart of hippyville Silicon Valley, there was always a line at lunch time.

When the non-hydrogenated veggie oil mandate went out, the place took its own life in a grease fire. On its own terms.

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 17, 2019 06:41 PM (sLicW)

365 This tracks with my theory that the NeverTrump folks are largely second-generation conservatives, who grew up in the institutions that the first generation (Reagan, Podhoretz, Buckley, etc.) built. They learned how to talk the talk, but they didn't have the life experience (WWII, Korea, the early Cold War) that drove the first-gen to develop the modern conservative views. So when the Cold War ended in the early nineties, the second-generation wasn't able to reevaluate their positions based on a changing world.

The third-generation conservatives are the alt-right, who represent those coming up at the tail-end of the Bush years and throughout the Obama years. They are reevaluating everything.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 17, 2019 06:42 PM (SgjGX)

366 Boys have a penis
Girls are yucky
My two Daddies are gay.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:42 PM (v0R5T)

367 So little rocked man shot off a missile today....

Posted by: It's me donna at April 17, 2019 06:42 PM (O2RFr)

368 So Buttplug and his "husband" are going to have a child?


And all the Dem primary voters go "oh how sweet!"

Posted by: grammie winger at April 17, 2019 06:42 PM (lwiT4)

369 Anyone have the address for city field. fuck happ

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 06:42 PM (Y+V3r)

370
Now we're talking Turkey

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2019 06:42 PM (TAmPV)

371 Or they could name him Leaky.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:42 PM (v0R5T)

372 370
Now we're talking Turkey
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2019 06:42 PM (TAmPV)

Kenya talk about something else?

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 06:43 PM (NWiLs)

373 I liked Starskey and Hutch because they drove that awesome Torino. I had a Torino, I could only dream it would be like theirs.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 06:43 PM (Kpl3J)

374 eeeeew, I wonder if the buttplugs are going to adopt an infant and then try to "breastfeed" it .

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 17, 2019 06:43 PM (d7Ww2)

375
He really is. Honestly, if our son ever turned and became something like
that hell spawn, I'd rise up from the dead and smite him myself.


That sounds too much like work to me. I'd just haunt him. Drive him crazy that way.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 06:43 PM (HaL55)

376 [Podhoretz]... ultimately graduating third in his class in 1946; his classmates included the prominent Assyriologist William W. Hallo and ...



That's what I want to be when I grow up, an Ass ri ologist.

Posted by: Clifton at April 17, 2019 06:43 PM (3oCng)

377 Compared to the Dem Star Wars cantina scene of 2019-20, Fritz Mondale was Curtis LeMay.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 17, 2019 06:43 PM (3RKQd)

378 Trump is a Democrat, an Andrew Jackson Democrat.

Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2019 06:43 PM (88PoY)

379 Or if it's a girl: Lucy.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2019 06:44 PM (v0R5T)

380 339 So Buttplug and his "husband" are going to have a child

have implies doing the deed and popping one out.

Well at least when he tells his kid he's a piece of shit...

Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:44 PM (nRWPy)

381 Nood

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2019 06:44 PM (nDe2U)

382 The only thing I'm "worried" about re our son, he's dating a ginger.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 06:44 PM (ptqGC)

383 But PDT is a patriot and while he may have had democratic leanings, remember he is the consumate capitalist and with the dems running to the Left, normal Americans turn to the Republican side, which is what naturally happened to Trump I think. As they say he did not leave the Democratic Party, they left him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 06:44 PM (Y+V3r)

384 Claremont Review of Books is by far the most important Conservative publication in the country. Yes, it is a bit "egg-head" reading, but its analysis of politics, history, and philosophy, and culture (mostly through the review of recently published books) is foundational to independant conservative thought. It has always been either slightly, or openly pro-Trump. Not because of personality, but because he represented a rejection of the failed Establishment conservatism of the last 20 years. It was the magazine that published the crucial Flight 93 Election essay. They understand the War. Even if you don't read it, support it.

Posted by: DZouave at April 17, 2019 06:44 PM (4BFdc)

385 OH and while on topic:

Jerry Stiller >> Ben Stiller

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2019 06:45 PM (39g3+)

386 eeeeew, I wonder if the buttplugs are going to adopt an infant and then try to "breastfeed" it .

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 17, 2019 06:43 PM (d7Ww2)

No. Just no.
I'd just like to be around for "that" conversation in 18 years."Dad, dad... I... I'm straight. I like girls. I've always felt like I'm a man trapped in a mans body..."

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 17, 2019 06:45 PM (sLicW)

387 because men can breastfeed:

https://www.amazon.com/
Milker-Now-Men-Can-Breastfeed

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 17, 2019 06:46 PM (d7Ww2)

388 one source of trump's combativeness is that he';s from queens. not so much that he grew up as a street brawler (hanging out with huntz hall and leo grocery at pop's soda shop) but because he had a chip on his shoulder being from the outer boroughs in the shadow of the big guys in manhattan. he was never part of that crowd. i think it forms part of howard stern's aggression.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 06:46 PM (Pg+x7)

389 347
The anti-Hanson article that went into the Bulwark - he didn't write it, but it is in *his* paper - had the temerity to call VDH a "grifter." The Bulwark. Calling someone *else* a grifter.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 17, 2019 06:38 PM (I2dne)


Projection. More evidence that they're really leftists.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 06:47 PM (sdi6R)

390 ... too.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 17, 2019 06:47 PM (Pg+x7)

391 Or did somebody ignore the HOT! all over the package, break it open and rub it on their gentiles?

I'm going to rub hot McDonald's pies all over you Gentiles!

Posted by: Kinda-Extremist Jew at April 17, 2019 06:47 PM (9t0Zz)

392 Look, I'm a poor blue collar guy who got a white collar job. I've done plenty of shitty jobs. Then I went to college and got a couple of MS degrees.

I don't like Trump the person, but I completely recognize the type. Quick to offend and quick to take offense, but also quick to forgive. I saw a million of them in the real estate and construction business. And you know what? they get shit done. they pride themselves in getting shit done. They make the deal and face the wheel. They get knocked down, knocked out, then stand up and keep fighting. because they know of no other way to even live.

As long as Trump's agenda and my agenda are aligned, we are good. And his agenda is to look good, and he has decided him looking good means America looking good. I can live with that.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at April 17, 2019 06:47 PM (AJj50)

393 This is the problem - the right isn't anchored in
anything and so it just becomes about "don't move any further left." If
the further move left comes, that becomes the new defensive position.


Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 17, 2019 06:31 PM (I2dne)


Absolutely correct. The Overton Window.

Posted by: GWB at April 17, 2019 06:47 PM (ugHaR)

394 @RepJerryNadler 31 minutes ago

I'm deeply troubled by reports that the WH is being briefed on the Mueller report AHEAD of its release. Now, DOJ is informing us we will not receive the report until around 11/12 tomorrow afternoon - AFTER Barr's press conference. This is wrong. #ReleaseTheReport

Too bad ya fat f***.

Posted by: Tami at April 17, 2019 06:49 PM (cF8AT)

395 .....What the fuck is a Neocon? ....
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at April 17, 2019 06:20 PM (0OmEj)
-----------------------------------
The term has assumed several meanings over the decades but it originally referred to Dem intellectuals who turned against the Party when it veered sharply to the Left in the late 60's.

Irving Kristol and John Podhoretz were yuuuuge figures in the movement.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 17, 2019 06:49 PM (Rxduq)

396 The biggest mistake the Dems ever made was attacking Trump. If they bothered to cozy up to him, say nice things, hell, he'd give them a decent amount of what they want. he would treat them right. he'd make a good DACA deal, and a deal on the wall, and on taxes, and health care. Infrastructure. Stuff they want.

But they go after him, day after day. He'll go full conservative just to spite them. I can live with that.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at April 17, 2019 06:50 PM (AJj50)

397 I'd release the Clinton investigation files at the same time.

Posted by: Jean at April 17, 2019 06:51 PM (88PoY)

398 good post ... the blue collar thing is real. But there are other generational wealth things ... so the hate seems to perpetuate itself. People want to be economically upwardly mobile, but the magic of government sponsored markets has made so many uber wealthy, and they REALLY don't want to give up the free ride.

Funny, cuz the "free ride" is what they use to attract the welfare state ... which in no way works as an indulgence for the ill gotten cosmopolitan wealth. The Renaissance Man was competent in multiple arenas ... but the spoiled cosmo boy only needs to know the leftist memes. "Cuck" is a useful insult, but maybe "tribal" is also fitting, to show they really just want to belong in their protected class, with walls shielding them from blue collar life.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 17, 2019 06:56 PM (Cus5s)

399 27
There is something about growin' up quick and growin' up mean to make one hard of fist and keen of wit.

Posted by: Sue at April 17, 2019 05:37 PM (Jj+59)

Great quote- I want to add it to my list of quotes- is it yours or from somewhere else?

Posted by: Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx at April 17, 2019 06:57 PM (98Feg)

400 I clicked the link and got the article. I use the 'Epic Browser'. So if it is paywalled and you want to steal it, use the epic browser

Posted by: dj3way at April 17, 2019 06:58 PM (bhPL1)

401 The only thing I'm "worried" about re our son, he's dating a ginger.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 06:44 PM (ptqGC)


If you raised him well, to be a confident, self-assured man who don't take no sh*t, then he'll be okay. Anything less than Conan, though, and he's doomed.

Posted by: GWB at April 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ugHaR)

402 "I was raised to believe the last thing in the world you defend is your own."

My parents were raised that way. If there was a controversy between me and another kid, my mother would be the first to throw me under the bus. And the parents of most of my friends were the same way. So the parents would be arguing, "I'm sure my child started it." "No, my child is at fault." "No, my child has a history of doing this." "No, my child is a complete monster." Ad nauseum.

There was a girl in my elementary class that nobody liked very much. I didn't live near her, but according to the kids in her neighborhood, whenever she got it a dustup with another kid, she would run to her dad who would then come out and berate the other kid. I think she wasn't liked because the rest of the kids thought she wasn't playing fair by involving her dad whenever she didn't get her way. There was a sense that she and her dad were breaking the rules.

So it somewhat astounds me when I see today's parents always come rushing to their kid's defense. That's not how the parents of my day acted. The parents of my day taught us that we'd better settle our differences on our own because we'd get no support from them.

And now we're a nation of snowflakes.

Posted by: biancaneve at April 17, 2019 07:13 PM (I4vBO)

403 401 If you raised him well, to be a confident, self-assured man who don't take no sh*t, then he'll be okay. Anything less than Conan, though, and he's doomed

barbarian, talkshow host, or anime detective?

Posted by: Anachronda at April 17, 2019 07:16 PM (sGtp+)

404 Great quote- I want to add it to my list of quotes- is it yours or from somewhere else?


Posted by: Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx at April 17, 2019 06:57 PM (98Feg)


No, it's from Sue. But Sue is a boy.

Posted by: GWB at April 17, 2019 07:22 PM (ugHaR)

405 barbarian, talkshow host, or anime detective?

Posted by: Anachronda at April 17, 2019 07:16 PM (sGtp+)


LOL Definitely the barbarian!

Posted by: GWB at April 17, 2019 07:26 PM (ugHaR)

406 So once you decide there are people who shouldn't live, how do you decide there are people who should live? Who decides? What if my idea of who is valuable is different than yours? Should some people get due process and others not? Who decides? Explain to me your phenomenology.
Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 06:25 PM (nRWPy)

The people we fight are those that get a thrill of thinking they might be the one who decides who can speak, who can get jobs, who keeps their money and who dies without the slightest sense of responsibility.

The 'cause' or 'compassion' is just a cover for allowing them to destroy without getting critiqued for causing it.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 17, 2019 07:27 PM (FTPn0)

407 But PDT is a patriot and while he may have had democratic leanings, remember he is the consumate capitalist and with the dems running to the Left, normal Americans turn to the Republican side, which is what naturally happened to Trump I think. As they say he did not leave the Democratic Party, they left him
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 06:44 PM (Y+V3r)

That was also Reagan's line, that the Dems left him.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 17, 2019 07:30 PM (FTPn0)

408 Ah conservatives. Let's write a very educational article about the Establishment and put it behind a paywall! Presto, Irony!

Gosh Biff, I just don't understand why our philosophy doesnt get more circulation?

Posted by: Fenrisulven at April 17, 2019 07:34 PM (mEwX9)

409 Oh, still poor kid

Posted by: It's me donna

I am not sure that gay parents can control a certain creepiness that in normal times was apparent. The last time one of these type of "arrangements" made the news, the parents committed a double suicide and took the poor defenseless kids with them (Lesbians out West I believe)

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 07:34 PM (32YRo)

410 I just remembered something I read several years back about utopianism and the perfect being the enemy of good.

I will grant you that the Clintons, Obamas, John Kerrey, the Kennedys and many others on the left are greedy opportunists who want nothing more than to sit on gilded thrones and forget the rest of us except as servants. But I actually do know liberals that fit that definition.

They honestly have a very Utopian vision of what America should be, and they fly into a rage when something does not meet their expectations. They truly believe they love America and that they are every bit as patriotic as someone who flies the flag every day. Unfortunately, they've all read Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky and their idea of Utopia is based on those twisted ideas, so they are dreadfully disappointed when even a single American citizen fails to live up to their concept of what America and Americans should be.

I know the rest of you are rolling your eyes and muttering something "splitting semantic hairs". But I can honestly see a little daylight between the people who despise America and the people who are angry because America has not achieved their idea of perfection yet. (Yes, I am a Libra.)

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 17, 2019 07:35 PM (ebZss)

411 106 He's. Being. Paid.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at April 17, 2019 07:41 PM (uz/Pv)

412 knew a Finnish chap years ago in Lantana, Florida, which is was a colony of Finns back in the 70's.



He would buy old heavy equipment and cars and ship them back to
Finland. He was also a huge slumlord and one of the cheapest persons I
have ever known.



He had nothing but s's and i's and u's in his name but everyone called him Pomo.



I think he was a Finnish gangster.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 17, 2019 06:33 PM (Z+IKu)This made me laugh. One of my uncles sold mining equipment. Finns sold a TON of old machines to the USSR because the Commies produced nothing but crap. Additionally, people in Finland envied woodcutters and other jobbers because they could hide some of their income from taxes.
In the '80s, my uncle got a letter inviting him (and by extension the family) to "return" to Finland to work. (Some of my great-grandparents immigrated from Finland.) As a business owner, he took one look at the corporate tax rate of 60% and said Ay! (Finnish for NO iirc.)And Finns could probably beat the proverbial cheap Scots. Save, save, save... and then put something away just in case.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at April 17, 2019 08:13 PM (fxCK2)

413 This article inspired me to go listen to Copland's 'Fanfare for the Common Man,' originally written to honor America's soldiers, going to war in World War II.

Posted by: Beverly at April 17, 2019 08:29 PM (n3hU5)

414 Or they're all shit.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2019 08:30 PM (Dh1wo)

415 ... the neocon traitors that is.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2019 08:31 PM (Dh1wo)

416 Here's a link to the Podhoretz interview:
https://outline.com/tbwy4h

Posted by: Garry Apgar at April 18, 2019 05:58 PM (f8KCc)

417 Getting past the firewall - here's the whole thing: https://outline.com/tbwy4h

Posted by: debby witt at April 20, 2019 12:47 PM (TXNyj)

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