Sunday Overnight Open Thread (6/16/19)

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The Quotes of The Day


Quote I

Socialism is really the ultimate form of greed. Oh, the big bad capitalists are always being accused of being greedy. Coming up with a world-changing idea – like Amazon or Spanx – and getting incredibly rich, paying the salaries of thousands of people is “greedy” in LeftWorld. TAKING stuff from the ones who earned it is “fair.” You betcha. Powerline Blogger Ammo Grrrll


Quote II

"Overcrowding is nothing new. This is not the reason people are dying. It's pressure on young climbers by some companies describing Everest as easy. Everest is never easy." Kami Rita Sherpa


Quote III

“The phrase ‘climate change,’ for example, sounds rather passive and gentle when what scientists are talking about is a catastrophe for humanity,” Katharine Viner


Quote IV

“The Chairman’s request that Treasury turn over the President’s tax returns, for the apparent purpose of making them public, amounted to an unprecedented use of the Committee’s authority and raised a serious risk of abuse,” Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, Steven A. Engel

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A father sticking up for his disabled daughter. The battle over plastic straws.

Newsweek noted that Santa Barbara’s law “does include exemptions in consideration of the Americans with Disabilities Act,” which is the first thing many Twitchy readers noted when we first started writing about straw bans — what about kids, the elderly, and the disabled?

Here’s a thread we saw earlier this week but held off on covering because “moe” said all the attention was giving her anxiety and she had to mute her notifications … she never expected her story to blow up on Twitter, but she appreciates all the well wishes.

We want moe’s story told, though — it shows an ugly side to the plastic straw ban that everyone (except the politicians passing them) knew was coming.


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Pandering and bribing Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), what won't she give away to win?

Sanders, together with Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), have joined in on legislation to forgive college loan debt of up to $50,000 for each student.

If it passes, it would help nearly 42 million people.

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.......And then they came for Crowder. The Rageaholic speaks his mind NSFW-Language


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Global warming, polar ice caps melting, sea levels rising, baseballs traveling further. MLB broadcaster attributes the increase of home runs to global warming.


Pretty soon the pet ate my homework excuse will no longer be valid.


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Eight psychological tricks that restaurants use.

A restaurant’s menu is more than just a random list of dishes. It has likely been strategically tailored at the hands of a menu engineer or consultant to ensure it's on-brand, easy to read, and most importantly, profitable. Here are a few ways restaurants use their menus to influence what you’re having for dinner.

1. THEY LIMIT YOUR OPTIONS.
The best menus account for the psychological theory known as the “paradox of choice,” which says that the more options we have, the more anxiety we feel. The golden number? Seven options per food category, tops (seven appetizers, seven entrees, etc.). “When we include over seven items, a guest will be overwhelmed and confused, and when they get confused they’ll typically default to an item they’ve had before,” says menu engineer Gregg Rapp. No shame in sticking with what you know, but a well-designed menu might entice you to try something a bit different (and a bit more expensive).


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Ambient privcacy, what is it?

This requires us to talk about a different kind of privacy, one that we haven’t needed to give a name to before. For the purposes of this essay, I’ll call it ‘ambient privacy’—the understanding that there is value in having our everyday interactions with one another remain outside the reach of monitoring, and that the small details of our daily lives should pass by unremembered. What we do at home, work, church, school, or in our leisure time does not belong in a permanent record. Not every conversation needs to be a deposition.


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The ONT Musical Interlude - Father's Day Edition


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H/T Bitter Clinger


Hope all of you fathers had a wonderful day.


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Chivalry and Genius Award Winner.

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla (WFLA). - A Florida man has been arrested and charged after the Palm Bay Police Department said he stole pool floats for sex "instead of raping woman."

The Brevard Times reports Christopher Monnin,35, was stopped on Thursday around 1:30 a.m. by Palm Bay Police for acting suspiciously.

Police say Monnin had with him a white garbage bag full of what he identified to police as deflated pool floats.


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Exercise and helping those that need some help. Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.

While most students across the country earn PE credits with extracurricular activities like athletics and marching band, the Alternative Learning Center in Dubuque, Iowa, is giving students the option to do yard work for people unable to do the physical labor on their own.

"Could be raking leaves, pulling weeds, cutting grass, cleaning gutters, just depends on what they need," teacher Tim Hitzler told KWWL.


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Weekly commenter stats for week of 6-16-2019

Top 10 commenters:
1 [492 comments] 'Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo' [69.06 posts/day]
2 [452 comments] 'raimondo on tap'
3 [336 comments] 'Christopher R Taylor'
4 [335 comments] 'Can't resist temptation '
5 [331 comments] 'Insomniac'
6 [330 comments] 'ace'
7 [310 comments] 'rhennigantx'
8 [306 comments] 'Tom Servo'
9 [304 comments] 'Grump928(C)'
10 [301 comments] 'Bandersnatch'

Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
1 [443 names] 'raimondo on tap' [62.18 unique names/day]
2 [45 names] 'Axeman'
3 [33 names] 'Sniffin' Uncle Joe Biden'
4 [32 names] 'My Pimp Shot My Dealer'
5 [30 names] 'ace'
6 [30 names] 'The ARC of History!'
7 [25 names] 'Ha'
8 [24 names] 'Mr. Peebles'
9 [24 names] 'joncelli, because somebody had to'
10 [23 names] 'LeftCoast Dawg'

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1 Hi

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 16, 2019 10:03 PM (pPNCa)

2 Thirſt!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 16, 2019 10:03 PM (7WaWV)

3 Good Evening Horde!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 10:03 PM (Y4EXg)

4 Florida Man strikes again.

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 16, 2019 10:04 PM (pPNCa)

5 dude, Made In Abyss is some awesome Dantean anime / manga

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 16, 2019 10:05 PM (ykYG2)

6 Beautiful photo!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 16, 2019 10:06 PM (AZxMX)

7 MLB announcer is full of it-- there have been a lot of broken bats so far this season. And is a "helicopter bat" like a helicopter parent?

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 16, 2019 10:07 PM (pPNCa)

8 Happy Father's Day, fellow Morons.

Nice: Lean, mean, ONT machine - Thanks, MisHum!

Posted by: ibguy at June 16, 2019 10:07 PM (EHVbt)

9 Happy Sunday, Horde!

Posted by: Ladyl at June 16, 2019 10:08 PM (TdMsT)

10 i did call my dad

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 16, 2019 10:08 PM (ykYG2)

11 That Florida man story could only be more Florida man if he were carrying a gator. Plus look at the picture: he's Ur Florida man.

Down with a cold this weekend. Hope to be able to drag my ass into work next week, because gotta pay the bills. And I hope all you dads had a good day!

Posted by: joncelli of the Tribe of the Drunken Moose at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (1FhAQ)

12 And to answer the question of Why Civilization? And the next question of Why do we Fight?
https://tinyurl.com/bqh9re6

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (GYAiq)

13
g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (l0TQe)

14 Evening everyone. Hope all the dads had a great Fathers day.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (dUJdY)

15
If anyone remembers last night I was talking about digging post holes, and how a neighbor had a PTO post auger, but I didn't want to borrow it, because he's sort of a smart-ass.

Well, my mother reminded me today that he had borrowed our gravity grain wagon, and has had it for about two years.

Well, hell. So I called him up and said Ima borrow your digger. I'm going to get it tomorrow.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (f1Vqw)

16 Holy lol, poor Miklos' standing in the top tens.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (t+qrx)

17 This is not the end. This is not the beginning. It may be the end of the beginning. But it is indisputably the middle of the ending of the beginning of the end of the beginning.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for zoomin' humans at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (/IMJl)

18 ace had a lot to say in the comments last week

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (ykYG2)

19 2 [452 comments] 'raimondo on tap'

1 [443 names] 'raimondo on tap' [62.18 unique names/day]

DOOD

Posted by: Methos at June 16, 2019 10:10 PM (kOpft)

20 Say what you will about Spanx, but the Hittites didn't have them.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 10:10 PM (9SkN+)

21 Anna Puma, wherever and whenever you may read this, your assistance is requested at the end of the gun thread.

376 Can anyone positively identify this AA gun, presumably Navy. http://tinyurl.com/y4ng5zfo
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:10 PM (t+qrx)

22 Anna Puma, if you're here, please check the link at the end of the gub thread and positively ID the AA cannon it goes to.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (AL4IR)

23 "Earned it" is a justification term of The Patriarchy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (9SkN+)

24 oh, the Hittites could bring the spanx if they had to

Posted by: Hammurabi's Babylon at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (ykYG2)

25
I can't believe I missed this. A Russian babe spanking contest:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1943666

Yee-haw, baby!

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (f1Vqw)

26 I have to tell one neat Father's Day trick (and it actually works for Mother's Day as well).


Someone here (and I can't remember who) posted that he had asked his kids to write him a letter every Father's Day, and he kept copies of them all and read the old ones on Father's Day.

I thought this was such a neat idea, I told my son and daughter in law about this today. They said they had a similar, more high tech plan. They had created a GMail account for each of their two sons and sent them notes and photos of key events as they were growing up. At some point, they will give the sons "their" passwords and they will be able to go back and see an overview of the highlights of their young lives. I basically like the idea, but I decided to not get into the Goolag monitoring of all emails today.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (AZxMX)

27
I don't know what AA gun that is, but we should get one for the next MoMe

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (l0TQe)

28 I can't believe I missed this. A Russian babe spanking contest:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1943666

Yee-haw, baby!
Posted by: publius

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That's an activity I could really get behind!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (Y4EXg)

29 oh, the Hittites could bring the spanx if they had to

Posted by: Hammurabi's Babylon at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (ykYG2)

Uriah was the Hittite that knew how to make the spanx work on a Philistine. Had a design house in Gaza, IIRC. His top model, Bathsheba, was a total babe, not one of those stick figures with poofy lips.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:16 PM (GYAiq)

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Sorry, that was just the video link, here's the full article on the Russian babe spanking contest:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7128569

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:16 PM (f1Vqw)

31 The Argie Bargies are learning today that when you don't pay for electricity, you don't get electricity

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 16, 2019 10:16 PM (ykYG2)

32 Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (f1Vqw)

Please to note comrade, that video link end in 666, is apocalypse at hand, yes!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 16, 2019 10:18 PM (AZxMX)

33 Zaxby's has 27 different menu items.

As long as you want chicken fingers.

On a plate,
On a bun,
On toast...

And nine variations of each...

three or four fingers?
With sides?
How many sides?
Lettuce and tomato?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 16, 2019 10:18 PM (1g7ch)

34 Global warming, polar ice caps melting, sea levels rising, baseballs traveling further. MLB broadcaster attributes the increase of home runs to global warming.



If this is true, Seattle is in desperate need for some warming.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 10:18 PM (axyOa)

35 I hadn't heard "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" in forever. That is really, really well done.
Thanks Mis Hum.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 16, 2019 10:19 PM (aS1PU)

36 27


I don't know what AA gun that is, but we should get one for the next MoMe

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (l0TQe)

There is a Flak 88 outside of the naval reserve center on Saginaw, west of US-127.

Me, I think an army Bofors would be a little more possible, especially with the ammo.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:19 PM (GYAiq)

37 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (AZxMX)

What a wonderful idea. I wish I had thought of it years ago for my kids to do.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 16, 2019 10:19 PM (dUJdY)

38 publius: So I called him up and said Ima borrow your digger. I'm going to get it tomorrow.

Whhaat? Now that Miley's all pumped up and trained?

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Heard from all three of our offspring today, a HFD text at minimum. Also, new pix of grandson. Sent grandson's dad a text:

Sayings you don't have to worry about, my son:

"By the time a man realizes that maybe his father was right, he usually has a son who thinks he's wrong." - Charles Wadsworth

(quote h/t bluebird of bitterness)

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for zoomin' humans at June 16, 2019 10:19 PM (/IMJl)

39
Never spank a Russian pee whore. If you do, wear a snorkle.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:19 PM (f1Vqw)

40 Why should Trump play along with the tax return thing, I thought since we elected orangehitler that he would fight back twice as hard, these congressmen and other resist fuckers need 4am IRS swat raids...

give them the Obama tea party tax treatment, an armed swat visit by IRS, OSHA, FEC, FCC, and every other alphabet soup agency.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at June 16, 2019 10:21 PM (JziUy)

41

Papa was a rolling stone. Tribute to mobile baby daddies.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 10:21 PM (aKsyK)

42 Happy Father's Day, fellow Morons.

Father's Day, kitteh version: Dad cat helps care for his newborn kittens. (Link is to Inside Edition, so it's SFW).

https://tinyurl.com/y6ydwzcn

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 16, 2019 10:22 PM (pPNCa)

43 >> Whhaat? Now that Miley's all pumped up and trained?

She got a little too pumped up, I'm afraid. She's got some sort of trick elbow -- she'll have to tell exactly what it is, and it was starting to bother her today, which is warning sign, she says.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:22 PM (f1Vqw)

44 Global warming, polar ice caps melting, sea levels rising, baseballs traveling further. MLB broadcaster attributes the increase of home runs to global warming.

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And if by global warming he means steroids he is 100% right.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 16, 2019 10:23 PM (WdocV)

45 39


Never spank a Russian pee whore. If you do, wear a snorkle.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:19 PM (f1Vqw)

You obviously know this, and you should keep it that way.

Strelnikov!
https://tinyurl.com/hcr92ck

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:24 PM (GYAiq)

46 Hit?


Tight.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 16, 2019 10:24 PM (Ct55T)

47 publius: She's got some sort of trick elbow...

< Don Adams voice >
Ah, the ollld "trick elbow" trick. Riiight.
< /Get Smart >

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for zoomin' humans at June 16, 2019 10:25 PM (/IMJl)

48 Yee-haw, baby!

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (f1Vqw)
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but what was Miley's take on it?

asking for a friend...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 10:25 PM (AL4IR)

49 35 I hadn't heard "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" in forever. That is really, really well done.
Thanks Mis Hum.
Posted by: DR.WTF at June 16, 2019 10:19 PM (aS1PU)

I hadn't either, it was nice.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 16, 2019 10:25 PM (aA3+G)

50

That neighbor has a post hole digger for his skid-steer loader, I learned as well. I didn't know they had one of those.

He offered to let me use that -- well, not me use it, but him to come over with it and use it. He made the offer, but I think that was just being polite (rule is you wait until someone offers more than 3 times).

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:26 PM (f1Vqw)

51 "The phrase 'climate change,' for example, sounds rather passive and gentle when what scientists are talking about is a catastrophe for humanity," Katharine Viner


"Earth Herpes" scored well in the focus group.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 16, 2019 10:27 PM (oVJmc)

52 50

That neighbor has a post hole digger for his skid-steer loader, I learned as well. I didn't know they had one of those.

He offered to let me use that -- well, not me use it, but him to come over with it and use it. He made the offer, but I think that was just being polite (rule is you wait until someone offers more than 3 times).

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 10:26 PM (f1Vqw)

I rented a 6" earth auger last fall. Cost me $50.00 for two days. Put in 30 4"x4"x8's for the dog fence.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 16, 2019 10:28 PM (aA3+G)

53 Hogmartin, how is the new addition to your family?

Posted by: shibumi at June 16, 2019 10:28 PM (sktRI)

54 The plastic straw (or bag, cutlery, whatever) bans are insane and stupid, and the persons responsible should be boiled in crude oil.

Having said that, persons who really need straws or special eating utensils, should carry their own, because expecting the typical dining establishment to be up on all the special-needs appliances is expecting a bit much.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 10:28 PM (WG6O9)

55 Randomly:

I don't think I'll ever forget how I learned the term "phonographic memory" two nights ago.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=381844#c30890382

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for zoomin' humans at June 16, 2019 10:29 PM (/IMJl)

56 Top photo-


"Fill yore hands, you sons of a bitch".

Posted by: Miklos Cogburn at June 16, 2019 10:29 PM (QzkSJ)

57 "Fill yore hands, you sons of a bitch".

er er er er eeeeeeeerrr!!!

Posted by: Adriane the Movie Critic ... at June 16, 2019 10:30 PM (LPnfS)

58 Old and Busted: the sky is falling!

New Hotness: plastic straws are bad!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 10:30 PM (EZebt)

59
What we do at home, work, church, school, or in our leisure time does not belong in a permanent record. Not every conversation needs to be a deposition.

The Cheka Never Sleeps

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 10:30 PM (Wx/+I)

60 Evening, Horde.

Flat on my back w/lower back pain. Been bugging me all week since my backpacking trip last week; thought it was getting better then just today it really kicked in. Don't think it was the backpacking that did it, but rather the drive home.

Instapundit had an Amazon link today for a TENS device. Anyone have experience using those for back pain?

BTW, the top photo was taken during my backpacking trip. It's from our cap site in Morris Meadows, looking towards the Sawtooth Ridge in the Trinity Alps. Taken on an iPhone.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 16, 2019 10:30 PM (LMcFk)

61 Socialism is really the ultimate form of greed.

Not at all. Socialism isn't greed, it's envy - which is why it will never disappear. There's also a liberal amount of stupidity mixed in.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 10:30 PM (vsj/L)

62 [452 comments] 'raimondo on tap'

1 [443 names] 'raimondo on tap' [62.18 unique names/day]

DOOD
Posted by: Methos


I blame hogmartin.

Enabler.

Posted by: Miklos, shameless at June 16, 2019 10:31 PM (QzkSJ)

63 There is a Flak 88 outside of the naval reserve center on Saginaw, west of US-127.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:19 PM (GYAiq)


Yes, it used to be behind the armory back by Elvin Ct. where nobody could see it. I would love to know the provenance of it. I imagine it's documented somewhere, but I have no idea how to track that down.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:31 PM (t+qrx)

64
Zaxby's has 27 different menu items.

As long as you want chicken fingers.


Do they offer a five finger discount?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 10:31 PM (aKsyK)

65 To paraphrase Crowder:

"I told you guys Milo would only be the first, if they got away with deplatforming him they would move on to more mainstream conservatives".


He was right of course, but this is a point that bears repeating because it comes up again and again.

The left targets some marginal figure on the right for some novel attack. The mainstream right ignores it or even joins in. Soon after the left uses this tactic against mainstream conservatives.

It is like f*cking clockwork.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 16, 2019 10:31 PM (WdocV)

66 Global warming, polar ice caps melting, sea levels rising, baseballs traveling further.


I didn't play the video at the link but that's got to be the barely functioning retard Santangelo. He's not the brightest bulb in sports broadcasting. Sports broadcasting is full of dim bulbs but Santangelo is 'special'.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (ENKh0)

67 I'm trying to figure out where that top photo was taken, but frankly I'm stumped.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (mvenn)

68 "Overcrowding is nothing new. This is not the reason people are dying. It's pressure on young climbers by some companies describing Everest as easy. Everest is never easy." Kami Rita Sherpa

Everest is easy. That's why it's such a hot tourist spot for rich people with no meaning in their lives. Everest is so easy they were thinking of renaming it Stormy Daniels.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (vsj/L)

69 The AA gun from the gub thread is a 50mm mount from Norfolk, VA and is on display as a memorial in Clyde, Haywood County, NC... This is all I've found so far...


https://www.clydenc.us/gallery (5th paragraph)

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 16, 2019 10:33 PM (7WaWV)

70
MLB broadcaster attributes the increase of home runs to global warming.

And toxins in your liver.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 10:33 PM (Wx/+I)

71 Hogmartin, how is the new addition to your family?
Posted by: shibumi at June 16, 2019 10:28 PM (sktRI)


Wiry and friendly. Except towards the chubby cat who was here first. It's better than it was before, but he still hisses a bit at her. It'll be fine. They're able to sit to either side of me on the couch and only growl once in a while now.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:33 PM (t+qrx)

72 First time I've listened to Razorfist / Rageaholic. Very impressive one take or more impressive editing skills. One or the other.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 10:33 PM (2DOZq)

73 Yeah, i gave Pap a call. He's 83 this year and bummed that he installed an SS after market fuel injection on his 123ci stripped down police special and my GD back needs an artificial disc between L5 S1. No fall motorcycling through the deep south for the two of us this year. For a retired country preacher, he knew EVERY dang back road, ford and weigh station bypass in Lousyana, AND he could shoot the eyes out of a cat squirrel on the jump with his .22.

He taught me to shoot, ride, be a man and take no shat from anyone. Happy padre day Pap. Wish i werent broke dick and we could go riding this fall.

Posted by: BifBewalski -sofa king we Todd did at June 16, 2019 10:33 PM (6Gm6W)

74 Flat on my back w/lower back pain. Been bugging me all week since my backpacking trip last week; thought it was getting better then just today it really kicked in. Don't think it was the backpacking that did it, but rather the drive home.



I've been having some weird knee issues that are actually some sort of muscle issue rather than a bone issue. A friend in the medical field recommended a 70% solution of DMSO and it's amazing. It's the only thing that makes it feel better.

Posted by: shibumi at June 16, 2019 10:33 PM (sktRI)

75 Do they offer a five finger discount?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot

You wanna keep them fingers?

Posted by: Miss Doritha, Manager at June 16, 2019 10:33 PM (QzkSJ)

76 BitChute it is, then.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 10:34 PM (ta49A)

77 Ambient privacy?

Mrs. Franpsycho has zero. She shouted down the street at me grandma had died.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 10:34 PM (EZebt)

78 I generally like Crowder, but haven't watched much since Not Gay Jared left. Former comedy writer for the show, Owen Benjamin, has turned on Crowder hard. Interesting behind the scenes gossip from him, if true.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 16, 2019 10:34 PM (xRdPB)

79 Average Guy, is it possible it could be a back spasm? I suffered from those several years ago. It went on for about two years and then stopped but they are extremely painful and you really can't do much except lay in bed. I feel for you. Back pain is a bitch.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 16, 2019 10:35 PM (dUJdY)

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Posted by: kbdabear at June 16, 2019 10:35 PM (0Ntuf)

81 By the way, the whole thing with plastic straws is almost comical.

Liberals decided to make themselves feel good by "recycling" plastic.

It turns out doing that is expensive and bad for the environment so...they started shipping plastic to China.

China in turn throws the "recycling" in the ocean.

The liberals then notice there is plastic trash and the ocean and...demand we ban plastic. If being used in ways they don't like. For straws or bags or what have you.

One wonders what the left would do if Trump offered legislation to ban plastic sex toys?

CAT LADIES EVERYWHERE: ORANGEMAN BAD. PLASTIC GOOD.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 16, 2019 10:35 PM (WdocV)

82 Happy Father's Day to dads who DON'T have to worry about the results of family members using DNA kits: here's the story of a reproductive biologist/DNA expert: "With Genetic Testing, I Gave My Parents the Gift of Divorce."

https://tinyurl.com/y7zr7xee

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 16, 2019 10:35 PM (pPNCa)

83 72 First time I've listened to Razorfist / Rageaholic. Very impressive one take or more impressive editing skills. One or the other.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation


dude could benefit from a cup or two less coffee

Posted by: BifBewalski -sofa king we Todd did at June 16, 2019 10:35 PM (6Gm6W)

84 Ok, how the hell do "woke" menus work?

Posted by: Burger Chef at June 16, 2019 10:35 PM (RuIsu)

85 Sanders, together with Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), have joined in on legislation to forgive college loan debt of up to $50,000 for each student.

If it passes, it would help nearly 42 million people.


I'm not sure how this works since the students don't owe the debt to the government. I guess the government just tells the creditors to "fuck off" on behalf of the loser students.

This legislation wouldn't help anyone - outside of government slugs.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 10:36 PM (vsj/L)

86 Is it possible to get an abortion at Disneyland or Disney World ?

Then, what's the problem ?

Posted by: SMOD at June 16, 2019 10:36 PM (e8kgV)

87 Wiry and friendly. Except towards the chubby cat who was here first. It's better than it was before, but he still hisses a bit at her. It'll be fine. They're able to sit to either side of me on the couch and only growl once in a while now.


I'm glad. I'll report back to the guy from Ohio who was curious.

I think he'll eventually figure out that Lydia is a girl and they'll be friends.

Posted by: shibumi at June 16, 2019 10:36 PM (sktRI)

88 Good Evening

Posted by: wing at June 16, 2019 10:36 PM (JFzNN)

89 67 I'm trying to figure out where that top photo was taken, but frankly I'm stumped.
Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (mvenn)

I'll hit the drum and cymbal for ya.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 10:36 PM (2DOZq)

90 Posted by: Can't resist temptation

___

ROCK ON

Posted by: Sharon den Adel at June 16, 2019 10:37 PM (WdocV)

91 More Sunday Swimwear ONT Compliance Pics

https://tinyurl.com/yyluxeat

https://tinyurl.com/y3qjgewr

https://tinyurl.com/y28yaleh

https://tinyurl.com/yxuwsu6b

https://tinyurl.com/y25wmh4n

Posted by: kbdabear at June 16, 2019 10:37 PM (0Ntuf)

92 Papa Was a Rolline Stone alternate title:


Kids, I Screwed the Wrong Dude

Posted by: shibumi at June 16, 2019 10:37 PM (sktRI)

93 I think he'll eventually figure out that Lydia is a girl and they'll be friends.
Posted by: shibumi at June 16, 2019 10:36 PM (sktRI)


He's stressed and in a confusing new place, to be fair.

Email inbound.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:37 PM (t+qrx)

94 Newsweek noted that Santa Barbara's law "does include exemptions in consideration of the Americans with Disabilities Act," which is the first thing many Twitchy readers noted when we first started writing about straw bans - what about kids, the elderly, and the disabled?

The straw bans are insane (and not really legal as plastic straws only pose a threat to those America-haters with fevered minds and damaged personalities) and the Americans with Disabilities Act is un-Constitutional crap, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 10:38 PM (vsj/L)

95 I'm not sure how this works since the students don't owe the debt to the government.

Barry federalized student loans-as part of ObarkyCare. Interest was expected to provide a revenue stream for that.

Posted by: Miklos, debt and fancy free at June 16, 2019 10:39 PM (QzkSJ)

96 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 10:30 PM (vsj/L)

Greed is bad
Envy doesn't have to be.

For example, I envy people who fish more that once a week. Not a bad thing.

I would be curious to hear your definitions.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 16, 2019 10:39 PM (aA3+G)

97 Eldest son came by to see his dad today. He had been talking about getting the two of us on "tape" talking about family history etc, and he finally purchased a device that will hold 5000 hours of conversation. They sat on the porch for an hour and smoked cigars while he asked his dad questions about his childhood, his parents, etc. So much more to cover, but it's a start.

My son loves his dad so much. He knows what a good man he is. And it is actually his stepfather. His biological dad died before he was born. My husband and I started going out when the boy was 6 weeks old and we married when he was 6 months. I often joke that he only married me to get the boy.

In 39 years, my husband never said "Do something about your son", I never said "Leave him alone, he's not yours", and our son never said "You're not my real Dad."

And someday, the boy's "real" dad is gonna be saying to my husband "Thank you for taking such good care of my son."

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 10:39 PM (RfzVr)

98 Not at all. Socialism isn't greed, it's envy - which is why it will never disappear. There's also a liberal amount of stupidity mixed in.

A lot of this are people who went to college, got some sort of "progressive" degree, and think that they deserve a lot more money and a lot more power than they have. Just look at all these peasants who make a lot more money than they do, despite the fact that they have never read Foucault.

You're working in a miserable job for a miserable salary at a "progressive" nonprofit, and you think: "I have a masters degree in sociology! I deserve a lot more than this!" Bonus points if you have $100,000 in student loans outstanding.

They support socialism, because they think that they will get a lot more money and power if they government runs everything than under the current system.

They're probably right.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 10:40 PM (I2/tG)

99 I'll hit the drum and cymbal for ya.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation


*****


No thanks. I'm working a cappella.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:41 PM (mvenn)

100 Since 2009, the Dept of Education became the loan source of record. There are no federally insured student loans anymore.

This has made the Dept of Education the second biggest bank in the world, after the Federal Reserve.

Posted by: SMOD at June 16, 2019 10:41 PM (e8kgV)

101 77 Ambient privacy?

Mrs. Franpsycho has zero. She shouted down the street at me grandma had died.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 10:34 PM (EZebt)

Chuckles, that reminds me of when we told one of the kids to call their sisters for dinner. She would stand at the top of the stairs and yell downstairs to come up for dinner.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 16, 2019 10:42 PM (aA3+G)

102 Regarding the AA gun, I've found this, with more information--pic from a different angle, text of the commemorative plaque...


https://docsouth.unc.edu/commland/monument/582/

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 16, 2019 10:42 PM (7WaWV)

103 You're working in a miserable job for a miserable salary at a "progressive" nonprofit,

And you get your loans forgiven.

It's the law.

Posted by: The Miklos Foundation, a mon-profit paying me a huge salary at June 16, 2019 10:43 PM (QzkSJ)

104 Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 10:39 PM (RfzVr)

A wonderful story.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 16, 2019 10:43 PM (aA3+G)

105 Let me give this a shot, just from the hip:

Greed - I want stuff

Envy- I want your stuff.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:43 PM (mvenn)

106 No thanks. I'm working a cappella.
Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:41 PM (mvenn)


No cappella in that picture that I can see. No gentlemen to wear a cappella, either.

Posted by: Adriane the Art Critic ... at June 16, 2019 10:43 PM (LPnfS)

107 Having said that, persons who really need
straws or special eating utensils, should carry their own, because
expecting the typical dining establishment to be up on all the
special-needs appliances is expecting a bit much.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 10:28 PM (WG6O9

Those I know, with special needs, do carry their own supplies and do not depend on any random establishment to be able to meet their needs. That is only common sense.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:44 PM (GYAiq)

108 Wiry and friendly. Except towards the chubby cat who was here first. It's better than it was before, but he still hisses a bit at her. It'll be fine. They're able to sit to either side of me on the couch and only growl once in a while now.
Posted by: hogmartin


Oh, poor Lydia! It's HER house, she was there first!

Tell us more about the new kitteh -- age, coloration, name??

Posted by: Eleanor, What the Cat Dragged In at June 16, 2019 10:46 PM (QU+qf)

109 And you get your loans forgiven.

Which is of course priced into the salaries that "progressive" nonprofits pay.

And most "progressive" nonprofits are indeed miserable places to work for - if you want to be abused and treated like dermo, work for a well-known left-wing organization, or a well-known left-wing politician.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 10:46 PM (I2/tG)

110 79 Average Guy, is it possible it could be a back spasm? I suffered from those several years ago. It went on for about two years and then stopped but they are extremely painful and you really can't do much except lay in bed. I feel for you. Back pain is a bitch.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 16, 2019 10:35 PM (dUJdY)


I'm thinking it might be muscle spasms, which is why I think TENS might be worth a try. I've had two lower back surgeries (2000 & 2010) for ruptured and herniated discs, respectively, and I don't think this is the same. I hope not.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 16, 2019 10:47 PM (LMcFk)

111 You're working in a miserable job for a miserable salary at a "progressive" nonprofit,

And you get your loans forgiven.

It's the law.
Posted by: The Miklos Foundation, a mon-profit paying me a huge salary at June 16, 2019 10:43 PM (QzkSJ)

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When the 1099s for tens of thousands of dollars in loan forgiveness hit the mailboxes, will the feds supply free blankies and Play-Doh?

Inquiring minds want to know,

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 10:47 PM (9SkN+)

112 The ARC of History!

Debt peonage, indentured servitude-what will the kids think up next?

Posted by: Miklos, thinking tax exempt is a scam at June 16, 2019 10:48 PM (QzkSJ)

113 Those I know, with special needs, do carry their own supplies and do not depend on any random establishment to be able to meet their needs. That is only common sense.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:44 PM (GYAiq)

To make it clear, I am not "blaming the victim" in this case. "Moe" was treated badly by the restaurant, and she should sue under the ADA. Use the tools of the Left against the Left. But she should carry her own supply of straws, or a few washable stainless steel straws for instances where the restaurant has no straws to provide.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 10:48 PM (WG6O9)

114 No cappella in that picture that I can see. No gentlemen to wear a cappella, either.
Posted by: Adriane the Art Critic ... at June 16, 2019 10:43 PM (LPnfS)

-------

How do you wear a chapel?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 10:48 PM (9SkN+)

115 Freaking Dems. They all run their campaign like they're running for class President. You elect me and I'll give you...

Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 10:49 PM (2DOZq)

116 Gary Woodland wins the US Open. His first major championship and only his fourth win as a pro. Good to see somebody win a first Major. Lots of firsts this year. The Blues, Raptors, and now Gary Woodland.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 16, 2019 10:49 PM (ENKh0)

117 Let me give this a shot, just from the hip:

Greed - I want stuff

Envy- I want your stuff.
Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:43 PM (mvenn)

Capitalism - I want stuff

Socialism - I want your stuff

Communism - I don't want you to have stuff

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 16, 2019 10:50 PM (AZxMX)

118 Greed is bad

It doesn't matter much if greed is bad or not; it's a question of what greed leads to. This is what Gordon Gecko meant when he said "Greed is good." and it happens to be true (even though most of that movie was a retarded joke ... though a classic.

Envy doesn't have to be.

Actually, envy is very difficult to be anything but bad.

For example, I envy people who fish more that once a week. Not a bad thing.

I would be curious to hear your definitions.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 16, 2019 10:39 PM (aA3+G)


I don't think you are using envy in its true sense. You are jealous of people who fish more than once a week, maybe. You don't envy them.

My definitions are pretty simple:

Greed is an insatiable desire for something. Not necessarily bad, often leading to good outcomes.

Envy is wanting what someone has - specifically. Not wanting to be like them (to work towards that) but wanting their shit and their life without having to do anything for it ... just because you think you should have it, or even worse, just not wanting them to have it. Someone who is envious of another's house might very well just burn down their house since, "If I can't have it, neither can you." That is the very foundation of socialism.

Jealousy is feeling bad towards someone because they have something you want for yourself, but not wanting to take it from them, just being pissed that they have it and you don't.

Socialism is pure envy. Socialism has nothing to do with greed, at all. For those in power, socialism is about total control of the masses and everything in society - which is very intoxicating stuff for most douchebags and assholes.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 10:50 PM (vsj/L)

119 How do you wear a chapel?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 10:48 PM (9SkN+)

Only if it comes in nave-y blue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 10:50 PM (WG6O9)

120 Envy- I want your stuff.

It's like the old joke about the difference between American labor unions and British labor unions.

An American worker looks at his boss driving a Cadillac, and thinks: "Someday I'm going to have that."

An British worker looks at his boss driving a Rolls Royce, and thinks: "Someday he's not going to have that."

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 10:50 PM (I2/tG)

121 I never heard of spanx before. I had to google it. Since Miss Hum paired it with Amazon, I figured it was some new FANG-type of stock.

We used to call what spanx makes "girdles."

Posted by: mnw at June 16, 2019 10:51 PM (Cssks)

122 63
There is a Flak 88 outside of the naval reserve center on Saginaw, west of US-127.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits,
Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:19 PM (GYAiq)



Yes, it used to be behind the armory back by Elvin Ct. where nobody
could see it. I would love to know the provenance of it. I imagine it's
documented somewhere, but I have no idea how to track that down.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:31 PM (t+qrx)

Yes, and it is in the German yellow with the little black cross to mark it as a German gun, as well as the field gun next to it. I often wonder how long before someone gets his/hers/xers external rear-end appendage in a knot about them, forgetting that those are war prizes, trophies, taken *from* the losers *by* the winners.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:51 PM (GYAiq)

123 115 Freaking Dems. They all run their campaign like they're running for class President. You elect me and I'll give you...
Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 10:49 PM (2DOZq

--------

And Joe Biden has a friendship bracelet with his bro-mance boy Barry Shitnozzle. Coincidence?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 10:51 PM (9SkN+)

124 How do you wear a chapel?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Cicero

Aha

*steeples fingers*

Posted by: Miklos, try the vestry at June 16, 2019 10:51 PM (QzkSJ)

125 Since 2009, the Dept of Education became the loan source of record. There are no federally insured student loans anymore.

This has made the Dept of Education the second biggest bank in the world, after the Federal Reserve.

Posted by: SMOD at June 16, 2019 10:41 PM (e8kgV)


Wow. That's really fvcked up stuff.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 10:51 PM (vsj/L)

126
For example, I envy people who fish more that once a week. Not a bad thing.

I would be curious to hear your definitions.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 16, 2019 10:39 PM (aA3+G)


God grants the wishes of an American, an Englishman and a Russian but says he will give the neighbor of each one twice as much.

The American says, "I want $100 million."

The Englishman says, "I want a 5,000 acre estate."

The Russian says, "Put out one of my eyes."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 10:52 PM (Wx/+I)

127
Only if it comes in nave-y blue.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 10:50 PM (WG6O9)

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*eyeroll*

Don't be an apse.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 10:52 PM (9SkN+)

128 That is a US Navy 3"50 cal AA gun.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 16, 2019 10:52 PM (u82oZ)

129 120 ARC

A variation on, "I want my neighbor's cow to DIE!"

Posted by: mnw at June 16, 2019 10:53 PM (Cssks)

130 Only if it comes in nave-y blue.


********


Hey, let's keep that pew-pew stuff on the gun thread.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:53 PM (mvenn)

131 Oh, poor Lydia! It's HER house, she was there first!

Tell us more about the new kitteh -- age, coloration, name??
Posted by: Eleanor, What the Cat Dragged In at June 16, 2019 10:46 PM (QU+qf)


Cairo just arrived Friday evening from Ohio. He is about seven years old, weighs 3 or 4 pounds, and is all black with huge green eyes. I accidentally called him "Oscar" a few times and he didn't complain so... he might be Oscar now. I don't know. It just seemed like his name.

Lydia is a fifty pound brown tabby marshmallow with ears who just wants to bury her nose in that sweet sweet catbutt, if Oscar weren't so stressed by circumstances and not receptive to having his personal space invaded right now. She tries to greet him, gets hissed at, and makes confused pathetic little mrrping sounds because she's not sure what to do.

It's an evolving situation.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:53 PM (t+qrx)

132 Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 10:39 PM (RfzVr)

Oh how many times I have wished I had bought a reel to reel tape recorder and captured my parents recollections. Good for you and your family!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 16, 2019 10:54 PM (AZxMX)

133 Don't be an apse.
Posted by: Cicero

Does this make my buttress look big?

Posted by: Miklos, refusing to answer at June 16, 2019 10:56 PM (QzkSJ)

134 A variation on, "I want my neighbor's cow to DIE!"

I think that's the motivation of a lot of American socialists - they really don't care if socialism lowers their living standard, so long as it lowers the living standards of the people they despise more.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 10:56 PM (I2/tG)

135 British worker looks at his boss driving a Rolls Royce, and thinks: "Someday he's not going to have that

Britain is about the size of Cuba, and it shows.

There's only some much space to move around in, on a small island; and if someone else has more then the rest of us have less. Or so the average Brit thinks.

Once upon a time the British elites could tell their upwardly-mobile nonelites, if you don't like it then there is plenty of land to be had in America. Then they said - okay, you still got Canada and look, here's South Africa and New Zealand and Australia. And India!

Well... now they're back to that tiny island again.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 16, 2019 10:56 PM (ykYG2)

136
I think that's the motivation of a lot of American socialists - they really don't care if socialism lowers their living standard, so long as it lowers the living standards of the people they despise more.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 10:56 PM (I2/tG)

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There is wisdom in this statement.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 10:57 PM (9SkN+)

137 The Russian says, "Put out one of my eyes."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


There's an old Hungarian joke. The punch line-

"God, please kill my neighbor's cow"

Posted by: Miklos, it comes in many flavors at June 16, 2019 10:57 PM (QzkSJ)

138 Then they said - okay, you still got Canada and look, here's South Africa and New Zealand and Australia.

A friend of mine emigrated from England to Canada when he was eight years old, in the late 1940's. When his family left, most of the people on his middle-class British street were in the process of emigrating to one of the dominions.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 10:59 PM (I2/tG)

139 Tell us more about the new kitteh -- age, coloration, name??
Posted by: Eleanor, What the Cat Dragged In at June 16, 2019 10:46


The little black cat is from the wrong side of the street, ak a "Ohio," while Lyida a Michigan girl. So there is that to factor in as well.

Posted by: shibumi at June 16, 2019 10:59 PM (sktRI)

140 67 I'm trying to figure out where that top photo was taken, but frankly I'm stumped.
Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (mvenn)


Yeah, the stump's a little distracting but hey, it was part of the scene.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 16, 2019 10:59 PM (LMcFk)

141 I'm a bit jealous of Razorfist that he can speak so well on so many topics.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 16, 2019 10:59 PM (LxTcq)

142 moo?

Posted by: the cow at June 16, 2019 10:59 PM (ykYG2)

143 An excellent high-quality side view of the The Big Gun At The Center Of Clyde...


https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2z3uln8 (Click on the pic to embiggenify!)


A song was even written about it, entitled "The Big Gun At The Center of Clyde!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9w_EJRiIxs

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 16, 2019 10:59 PM (7WaWV)

144 Cairo just arrived Friday evening from Ohio. He is about seven years old, weighs 3 or 4 pounds, and is all black with huge green eyes.

Ooooooh, I'm in love! (Except geez, only 3-4 pounds, he's a wee little thing for a boy kitty! Was he starving/rescued?)


Poor sweet Lydia. I'm sure she will forgive him his nervousness, once they are able to lie down together.

Good luck, Papa Hogmartin!

Posted by: Eleanor, What the Cat Dragged In at June 16, 2019 11:00 PM (QU+qf)

145 67
I'm trying to figure out where that top photo was taken, but frankly I'm stumped.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (mvenn)
Looks like typical Colorado, but could be Montana

Posted by: Bill Rebar at June 16, 2019 11:00 PM (p3S5V)

146 he might be Oscar now.

If he purrs with an accent, he's Cairo.


Joel Cairo.

Posted by: Miklos, what a character you are, Sir at June 16, 2019 11:00 PM (QzkSJ)

147 I think that's the motivation of a lot of American socialists - they really don't care if socialism lowers their living standard, so long as it lowers the living standards of the people they despise more.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 10:56 PM (I2/tG)


The crabs-in-a-pot model.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 11:01 PM (t+qrx)

148 I'm trying to figure out where that top photo was taken, but frankly I'm stumped.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (mvenn)


Pawtucket, Rhode Island.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 11:01 PM (vsj/L)

149
We once acquired a rescue cat, who never got along with the incumbent. Once they got in a fight over who got to sleep in a sunbeam.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 11:02 PM (Wx/+I)

150
The antiaircraft gun ...

Go to http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_Main.php

Scroll down to "Smaller Caliber and Antiaircraft Guns"

My guess is the second choice: "3"/50RF Marks 27, 33 and 34" although the photos are only of twin systems, and the implication is that only twin systems ever existed.

The second choice, "3"/50 Marks 10 ..." is also possible, but there is no clear matching photo.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 16, 2019 11:02 PM (FlRtG)

151
We once acquired a rescue cat, who never got along with the incumbent. Once they got in a fight over who got to sleep in a sunbeam.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 11:02 PM (Wx/+I)

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Photon privilege?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 11:02 PM (9SkN+)

152 Father's Day news for those who have a secret need to projectile vomit their toe nails

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-
7148123/Barack-Michelle-tour-turrets
-Chateau-vacation-France.html

fuck that mother fucker in particular.

and the brat's real father is no where to be seen, unless Michael donated the sperm to the birth mother.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 11:03 PM (AL4IR)

153 Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (mvenn)

Pawtucket, Rhode Island.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

They said it was from Pawtucket....

Posted by: Miklos, what a character you are, Sir at June 16, 2019 11:03 PM (QzkSJ)

154 Ooooooh, I'm in love! (Except geez, only 3-4 pounds, he's a wee little thing for a boy kitty! Was he starving/rescued?)
Posted by: Eleanor, What the Cat Dragged In at June 16, 2019 11:00 PM (QU+qf)


He just seems tiny by comparison. He's probably perfectly fine, just a little small.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 11:03 PM (t+qrx)

155 I'm trying to figure out where that top photo was taken, but frankly I'm stumped.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (mvenn)


Average Guy took it. See comment #60

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 16, 2019 11:03 PM (aS1PU)

156 148 I'm trying to figure out where that top photo was taken, but frankly I'm stumped.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 10:32 PM (mvenn)

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The first time I read that I went right pasture pun.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 11:03 PM (9SkN+)

157 >>>Lydia is a fifty pound brown tabby

O.o Fifty? Please tell me that's a typo.

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:04 PM (RfzVr)

158 Which of the troika of neoliberal Justices (Roberts, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh) will be the first to break ranks and side with the enemy in the rulings to be released soon. I'm going with Kavanaugh. My Trifecta is Kavanaugh, then Roberts, then Gorsuch. Roberts cold both place and show however.

Posted by: Quilp at June 16, 2019 11:04 PM (Bf3hj)

159

"And then they came for Crowder."

What was the case whereby clowns were allowed, by court order, to force Pres. Trump to not block them?

This case seems relevant to Crowder.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 16, 2019 11:04 PM (FlRtG)

160 There is wisdom in this statement.

And power. Socialists will accept lower living standards, so long as they get to control the behavior of other people.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 11:04 PM (I2/tG)

161 O.o Fifty? Please tell me that's a typo.

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:04 PM (RfzVr)


She's got a bit of mountain lion in her ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 11:04 PM (vsj/L)

162 Envy-"desire to have a quality, possession, or other desirable attribute belonging to (someone else)."

I guess we can disagree about the greed, jealousy, thing.


My envy makes me work hard or come up with a plan to say fish more than once a week as an example.

Posted by: zombie Frank Zappa at June 16, 2019 11:05 PM (aA3+G)

163 Which of the troika of neoliberal Justices (Roberts, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh) will be the first to break ranks and side with the enemy in the rulings to be released soon. I'm going with Kavanaugh. My Trifecta is Kavanaugh, then Roberts, then Gorsuch. Roberts cold both place and show however.

Posted by: Quilp at June 16, 2019 11:04 PM (Bf3hj)


Benedict Roberts is one of the lowest forms of life ever to crawl this Earth. He will clearly be the first since he is the most disgusting, treasonous, imbecilic piece of shit douchebag on the SCOTUS.

The only bench Roberts is qualified to sit on is a park bench - and even then, only in the winter.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 11:07 PM (vsj/L)

164
"Socialists will accept lower living standards for other people, so long as they get to control the behavior of other people and get special privileges for themselves.."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 11:07 PM (Wx/+I)

165 O.o Fifty? Please tell me that's a typo.
Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:04 PM (RfzVr)


Slight exaggeration. She can't be more than thirty five.

https://stoatnet.org/lydia_oscar.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 11:09 PM (t+qrx)

166 My envy makes me work hard or come up with a plan to say fish more than once a week as an example.

Posted by: zombie Frank Zappa at June 16, 2019 11:05 PM (aA3+G)


I'm telling you, that's not envy. Envy is wanting their stuff or their life, specifically - not wanting to work to have what they have or be like them.

If you see someone and think they have a good life and want to be like them, so you work hard to accomplish that - that isn't being envious of them. That is admiring them or admiring their lives. Totally different.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 16, 2019 11:10 PM (vsj/L)

167


Oscar Oscar Oscar

Posted by: Felix the cat at June 16, 2019 11:11 PM (aKsyK)

168 Posted by: Average Guy at June 16, 2019 10:30 PM (LMcFk

Beautiful photo, thanks for submitting,

The back, ice packs and alternating heat pads, followed up with ibuprofen and an antiflmatory w

Posted by: zombie Frank Zappa at June 16, 2019 11:11 PM (aA3+G)

169 Which of the troika of neoliberal Justices (Roberts, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh) will be the first to break ranks and side with the enemy in the rulings to be released soon. I'm going with Kavanaugh.

I expect this is true. Kavanaugh clerked for Kennedy, after all, and Kennedy swore Kavanaugh in as his last official act. I'd be surprised if Kennedy didn't refuse to step down until Republicans promised to nominate someone he found acceptable.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 16, 2019 11:11 PM (h2Bdk)

170 163 Which of the troika of neoliberal Justices (Roberts, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh) will be the first to break ranks and side with the enemy in the rulings to be released soon. I'm going with Kavanaugh. My Trifecta is Kavanaugh, then Roberts, then Gorsuch. Roberts cold both place and show however.

Actually - Ginsburg (or her staff) released a statement last week indicating that a bunch of 5-4 rulings were coming soon, and that her fans weren't going to be happy about them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 11:13 PM (V2Yro)

171 Can anyone positively identify this AA gun, presumably Navy. http://tinyurl.com/y4ng5zfo
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)
Posted by: hogmartin
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Ironmike had it right, it's 3"/50.

My interest is less in the gun, than it is in the radar control associated, which I have sorted out now...I think.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 11:14 PM (KoKdw)

172 Well hogmartin, I guess one could say Lydia is "plus-sized". She is indeed a big girl. Curvy and beautiful.

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:15 PM (RfzVr)

173 Actually - Ginsburg (or her staff) released a statement last week indicating that a bunch of 5-4 rulings were coming soon, and that her fans weren't going to be happy about them.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Well, when her clerks are using a Ouija board to determine her rulings, strange results might be expected.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 11:17 PM (2qPhT)

174 College loan forgiveness will happen. A few RINOs will join in and make it happen.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 16, 2019 11:17 PM (FiUMj)

175 You learn to really appreciate menu control after you try to order lunch at the Vietnamese restaurant with 376 separate menu options, in small print on 6 tightly packed pages.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 11:17 PM (V2Yro)

176 Well hogmartin, I guess one could say Lydia is "plus-sized". She is indeed a big girl. Curvy and beautiful.
Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:15 PM (RfzVr)


She really isn't even that pudgy. I've had overweight cats. She's just big, maybe 12 pounds.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 11:18 PM (t+qrx)

177
Finally: Movie Review. "Shaft".

Dialog: quite good, lots of good lines.

Action: very well done, and no never-ending implausible fights.

Atristicness: 1 scene (also in the trailer), 2 brief views, entirely justified artistically.

Politics: Under control, rather even-handed. Shaft is, indeed, an equal-opportunity ass whooper.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 16, 2019 11:20 PM (FlRtG)

178 good thoughts, etc, needed:

our big blond love bug cat "Shane" has not come in for dinner, nor has he been seen since mid-day...

he was favoring the left rear paw, but not limping.

yeah, we're worried. someone in the immediate neighborhood hates cats (apparently an alleged male) and this is coyote country.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 11:20 PM (AL4IR)

179 Yeah, the stump's a little distracting but hey, it was part of the scene.
Posted by: Average Guy


********

I'm not busting your chops. That's a beautiful picture. Springtime in NoCal must have been as wet as here in CO. Our hillsides are nearly that green now. Is that some skunk cabbage in the left foreground?

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 11:21 PM (mvenn)

180 https://www.weaselzippers.us/

A father's day tribute.

Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 11:22 PM (xzK3J)

181 The first time I read that I went right pasture pun.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 11:03 PM (9SkN+)

I really hate it when someone explains a Muldoon post and I think that is soooo obvious...

But I didn't get it first time around myself.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 16, 2019 11:22 PM (AZxMX)

182 PoP - I like your explanation of the difference between jealousy and envy. I toss this around in my head often and I always end up going back to the biblical word "covet".

Covet to me implies "I want to take your shit to be my shit." Very straightforward as opposed to the more nuanced jealousy and envy.

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:22 PM (RfzVr)

183 good thoughts, etc, needed:
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 11:20 PM (AL4IR)


En route.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 11:23 PM (t+qrx)

184 My first father's day without my dad.

Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 11:23 PM (xzK3J)

185 27
I don't know what AA gun that is, but we should get one for the next MoMe
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (l0TQe)



I don't think my 20mm Oerlikon will go on the plane as hand luggage.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:23 PM (bgJ0E)

186 Envy, the Russian Version: A farmer is working in his fields when suddenly the Archangel Michael appears. "Farmer Kisyev, the Lord has seen your toil and has decided to reward you with a great gift! You may name anything for your reward, and you shall have it! There is only one condition, and that is that your neighbor Strelnikov will receive twice the amount, of whatever you ask for."

So Kisyev ponders for a second, and then looks straight at the Archangel and says "Make me blind in one eye."

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 11:24 PM (V2Yro)

187 redc1c4 - saying a little prayer for Shane.

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:24 PM (RfzVr)

188 My first father's day without my dad.
Posted by: Infidel


*******

That's always a tough one. Honor his memory and try to live up to your ideal of him.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 11:25 PM (mvenn)

189 good thoughts, etc, needed:
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 11:20 PM (AL4IR)

En route.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 11:23 PM (t+qrx)

And from here as well.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 16, 2019 11:25 PM (AZxMX)

190 redc1c4 - saying a little prayer for Shane.

Prayers up from me and teh kittehs too.

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 16, 2019 11:26 PM (pPNCa)

191 Evening everyone,

Random subject - I finished season 3 of The Grand Tour today. Last episode had an announcement that the show would not be continuing in its current format as a studio show, but would be periodic road trip specials.

Bummer. I enjoyed watching the guys away from the BBC shackles.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 16, 2019 11:26 PM (7/efD)

192 ...I don't think my 20mm Oerlikon will go on the plane as hand luggage.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:23 PM (bgJ0E)



You could try for a Slothurn Anti-Tank Rifle.

Won't fit in a Pelican case though. You'll have to find a Pterodactyl case, instead.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 16, 2019 11:26 PM (QzJWU)

193 Covet to me implies "I want to take your shit to be my shit." Very straightforward as opposed to the more nuanced jealousy and envy.
Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:22 PM (RfzVr)

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife's ass.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 11:26 PM (V2Yro)

194 I really hate it when someone explains a Muldoon post and I think that is soooo obvious...

But I didn't get it first time around myself.



******


I actually kind of get a kick out making a "straight" comment and wondering how many folks are racking their brains trying to find the pun that just has to be in there, dammit.

But I'm odd that way.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 11:27 PM (mvenn)

195 I actually kind of get a kick out making a "straight" comment and wondering how many folks are racking their brains trying to find the pun that just has to be in there, dammit.


--------

You're a sick, evil man.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 11:27 PM (9SkN+)

196 My envy makes me work hard or come up with a plan to say fish more than once a week as an example.

Posted by: zombie Frank Zappa at June 16, 2019 11:05 PM (aA3+G)

I'm telling you, that's not envy. Envy is wanting their stuff or their life, specifically - not wanting to work to have what they have or be like them.

If you see someone and think they have a good life and want to be like them, so you work hard to accomplish that - that isn't being envious of them. That is admiring them or admiring their lives. Totally different

Look to the (15) 10 commandments and/or Hannibal Lecter. I believe covet is the word everyone is looking for in this context.

Posted by: BigZesty at June 16, 2019 11:28 PM (SzPGP)

197 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife's ass.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 11:26 PM (V2Yro)

If one were to covet Brie Larson's ass, would that be a restrictive covetance?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 11:28 PM (WG6O9)

198 Holy Shit! What a comeback!

Posted by: Bert G at June 16, 2019 11:29 PM (OMsf+)

199 But I'm odd that way.
Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 11:27 PM (mvenn)

However, you provide much needed laughter and mental challenges, so...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 16, 2019 11:29 PM (AZxMX)

200 I should think that if one were to covet Brie Larson's ass, he would be ghey...

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 16, 2019 11:29 PM (7WaWV)

201 Beautiful photo, thanks for submitting

Thanks. Full resolution is much more so, of course. That view was a wonderful payoff after 10+ miles of hiking (split into two legs because we got a late start on day one).

Thanks for the pain advice. Unfortunately our 3 year old, $2K refrigerator is out of commission so we took all non-perishable items out of the garage freezer to make room for the stuff from the useless fridge. I should be able to squeeze a cold pack back in there but it'll be a few hours before it's frozen...

Posted by: Average Guy at June 16, 2019 11:30 PM (LMcFk)

202 Wooooo!


Mississippi State gets a walk off base hit after trailing Auburn 4-1.

Posted by: Bert G at June 16, 2019 11:30 PM (OMsf+)

203
You could try for a Slothurn Anti-Tank Rifle.

Won't fit in a Pelican case though. You'll have to find a Pterodactyl case, instead.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX



More of a Lahti man meself.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:31 PM (bgJ0E)

204
I actually kind of get a kick out making a "straight" comment and wondering how many folks are racking their brains trying to find the pun that just has to be in there, dammit.

I know what you mean.

Posted by: Mare Pete at June 16, 2019 11:31 PM (aKsyK)

205 After trailing Auburn through the whole game, MS State scores four in the bottom of the ninth to win. They'll play Vanderbilt tomorrow in the NCAA World Series.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at June 16, 2019 11:31 PM (hjaPQ)

206 If one were to covet Brie Larson's ass,

Assuming facts not in evidence, Your Honor.

Posted by: Internet Lawyer! at June 16, 2019 11:32 PM (I2/tG)

207 More of a Lahti man meself.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:31 PM (bgJ0E)

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Hold mein bier

Posted by: A Panzerfaust at June 16, 2019 11:32 PM (9SkN+)

208 I am not really envious of Jeff Bezos. He treats his workers badly and cheated on his spouse and he was enough of a jack*** to send pictures of his penis to his girlfriend. While far from a perfect person, I haven't done any of those things. It helps that I don't have a penis, but sending the female equivalent doesn't occur to me. I expect he has to worry all the time if he-or his children-if has any will be kidnapped and held for ransom. Now someone could kidnap my son, but it wouldn't be for money. The only things I am slightly envious of Jeff Bezos for is that he can travel anywhere he wants to and that he can pay his state sales tax without any problem-neither of which I can do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 11:32 PM (ahS0B)

209 That's State's 38th comeback win this year.

Posted by: Bert G at June 16, 2019 11:32 PM (OMsf+)

210 Finally: Movie Review. "Shaft".

Dialog: quite good, lots of good lines.

Action: very well done, and no never-ending implausible fights.

Atristicness: 1 scene (also in the trailer), 2 brief views, entirely justified artistically.

Politics: Under control, rather even-handed. Shaft is, indeed, an equal-opportunity ass whooper.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 16, 2019 11:20 PM (FlRtG)
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yeah, but it's not woke, so it sucks...

according to reviewers.

doesn't matter to me: i don't do theaters, or other mass shooting enabled locations here in #Failifornia.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 11:33 PM (AL4IR)

211 209 That's State's 38th comeback win this year.
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That's wild.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at June 16, 2019 11:33 PM (hjaPQ)

212 However, you provide much needed laughter and mental challenges, so...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar


******

I'm flattered, but this place is loaded with intelligent and witty folks. I'm just another schmo with a keyboard. I learn a lot here and the banter from you people (if I may call you that) often picks up my own spirits in low times. Best place on the internet.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 11:33 PM (mvenn)

213
Hold mein bier
Posted by: A Panzerfaust at June 16, 2019 11:32 PM (9SkN+)


Thats ok. I plan to be 800mtrs away.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:33 PM (bgJ0E)

214 Someone mentioned a TENS unit upthread. I've had back and neck problems for years and have one. They work fantastic even if it's just muscle spasms. Highly recommend

Posted by: BigZesty at June 16, 2019 11:34 PM (SzPGP)

215 Not sales tax-property tax.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 11:34 PM (ahS0B)

216 A Panzerfaust

Ahem.

Posted by: RPG, AKA "Fly" at June 16, 2019 11:34 PM (I2/tG)

217 I was told there would be no discussion of semantics.

Personally, I regard 'envy' as "I'd like to have the things like you have."

'Jealousy' as, "I want what you have."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 11:34 PM (KoKdw)

218 I think it is safe to surmise that nobody would covet my ass.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 16, 2019 11:35 PM (ykYG2)

219 I don't think my 20mm Oerlikon will go on the plane as hand luggage.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:23 PM (bgJ0E)


Claim it's your emotional support artillery.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 16, 2019 11:35 PM (Z4rgH)

220 Muldoon's Sunday evening to do list:

Fun gun puns

[X] Done

Posted by: Miklos, just Miklos at June 16, 2019 11:35 PM (QzkSJ)

221 And on that note I'm out.

Continue endeavoring to keep persevering.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 11:37 PM (mvenn)

222 Hey everybody.

And once again, apparently I and MisHum are on the same wavelength. I just got the album that Papa Was A Rolling Stone appeared on, by the Temptations.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 11:37 PM (miE9U)

223
Claim it's your emotional support artillery.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 16, 2019 11:35 PM (Z4rgH)

Fair point, well made. Does Cabelas or Bass Pro stock 20mm solids?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:37 PM (bgJ0E)

224 I'm listening to some of Bob Dylan's live performances from his 1966 tour. Wow, they are good. He was at his absolute peak then. I wish I could share them but they don't seem to be available online.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yydun8p5

Worth it at twice the price.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 11:37 PM (sdi6R)

225 That's State's 38th comeback win this year.
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That's wild.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at June 16, 2019 11:33 PM



Something about our bullpen just having to give up a few runs early in most games before they get settled in.

Posted by: Bert G at June 16, 2019 11:37 PM (OMsf+)

226 And today I started with teh online guitar lessons from (you guessed it) Fender. 10 bucks a month ain't bad I guess.

Just learned the Easter Bunny Gets Dizzy At Easter, and that Even A Dodge Goes By Eventually.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 11:38 PM (miE9U)

227 Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 10:39 PM (RfzVr)

Nice post.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 11:39 PM (ahS0B)

228 Also, there was much fretting about frets.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 11:39 PM (miE9U)

229 rickl, did you see yet ANOTHER box set just came out re Dylan live in the 60s Seems like they're always 90 discs long and have high to crazy-level list prices, too.

Apparently Sony Music is going to bleed hardcore Bob fans dry emptying the vaults.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 11:41 PM (miE9U)

230 I miss my Dad, it's been 22 years, yet he's here with me. I should have listened to him more.

Posted by: E. Stan Bull at June 16, 2019 11:42 PM (B+t5k)

231 re The Ordeal Of The Straw

If I needed a freakin' straw that bad every time I went out, I'd bring one with me.

And while the restaurant didn't handle it the best, I'd start the blaming game right where it belongs.

CA politicians and green weenies that have made it a crime to hand straws out willy nilly.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 16, 2019 11:42 PM (Z4rgH)

232 Posted by: IrishEi at June 16, 2019 11:41 PM (NtglE)

That's so cute, and his dad looks to be good looking too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 11:43 PM (ahS0B)

233 Irish bar rules:

You forget your wheelchair at closing time.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 16, 2019 11:44 PM (SUV+r)

234 I'm admiring the comments tonight.

Have to agree that envy is unhealthy. If it's just 'wow, that's nice, wish I had one' that isn't envy the way I understand the word.

The liberal counter-argument is, of course, that there's no such thing as an unhealthy feeling if a liberal feels it, or an unhealthy act if a liberal does it. It's only unhealthy if someone they disagree with does it.

Posted by: Halfwise at June 16, 2019 11:44 PM (kLxSO)

235 I miss my Dad, it's been 22 years, yet he's here with me. I should have listened to him more.



I know. I miss my dad too. He's been gone since 2005. Fathers Day-- and Mothers Day are hard now that I've become an orphan.

Posted by: shibumi at June 16, 2019 11:45 PM (sktRI)

236 Papa was a Rolling Stone, hell of a choice for FATHERS DAY.

Posted by: Don Q at June 16, 2019 11:46 PM (NgKpN)

237 237; i'm an orphan myself. very strange. i'm the only one left from my family. it sucks when you think about it, so i try not to.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 16, 2019 11:47 PM (KP5rU)

238 CA politicians and green weenies that have made it a crime to hand straws out willy nilly.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 16, 2019 11:42 PM (Z4rgH)

I live here and it sucks. They give paper straws and I hate them. Everyone sells stainless straws. I have a stainless straw in one of my purses.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 16, 2019 11:48 PM (7bcfy)

239 There's a Green New Deal meeting in Portland today (with one Senator and one Representative in attendance).

A local Somali with political ambitions speaks:

@kaysejama with a compelling vision of the future inspired by the low-consumption nomadic lifestyle of his Somali village home and his years as a community organizer in Portland.

So clearly, to save the planet, we need to ban immigration from Somalia, so that Somalis will continue their "the low-consumption nomadic lifestyles", and not acquire the awful consumption habits of Americans.

Can you imagine praising Somali lifestyles as a model for Americans?

Posted by: ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 11:48 PM (I2/tG)

240 Shane has been found and brought in. he was in the yard, but ignoring the calls, which is never a good sign with fur babies.

he is going to the vet tomorrow, as there is a swelling under his right jaw that he didn't have earlier today, along with whatever is up with his left rear leg.

my thanks to Teh Horde: please keep my boy in your thoughts. it looks like he may really need them.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 11:49 PM (AL4IR)

241 Why hasn't any Chinese or Mexican restaurant proprietor ever heard of the paradox of choice?

Posted by: Jim at June 16, 2019 11:49 PM (rnwV8)

242 Prayers up for the redc1c4 Official Armory Cat.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 16, 2019 11:51 PM (QzJWU)

243
I live here and it sucks. They give paper straws and I hate them. Everyone sells stainless straws. I have a stainless straw in one of my purses.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 16, 2019 11:48 PM (7bcfy)

Sharpen the non mouth end, add some knurling and you have a tactical straw for self defense. I call dibs on the patent rights. Needs a catchy name. Ideas?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:51 PM (bgJ0E)

244 240 CA politicians and green weenies that have made it a crime to hand straws out willy nilly.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 16, 2019 11:42 PM (Z4rgH)

I live here and it sucks. They give paper straws and I hate them. Everyone sells stainless straws. I have a stainless straw in one of my purses.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 16, 2019 11:48 PM (7bcfy)


It's not all of CA. They're still handing out straws where I live.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 16, 2019 11:52 PM (h2Bdk)

245 NZFrank, "Straws Of Death"

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 11:52 PM (miE9U)

246 Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 11:49 PM (AL4IR)

Will pray for Shane.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 11:52 PM (ahS0B)

247 Everyone sells stainless straws. I have a stainless straw in one of my purses.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 16, 2019 11:48 PM (7bcfy)


Improvise, overcome, adapt -- Gunny Highway would approve.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 16, 2019 11:52 PM (Z4rgH)

248 The John Wick. Ima gueenniusss.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:52 PM (bgJ0E)

249 230 rickl, did you see yet ANOTHER box set just came out re Dylan live in the 60s Seems like they're always 90 discs long and have high to crazy-level list prices, too.

Apparently Sony Music is going to bleed hardcore Bob fans dry emptying the vaults.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 11:41 PM (miE9U)


No, I didn't see that. I'm already several box sets behind.

I'm at the point where I need to stop accumulating stuff, as much as I would like it.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 11:53 PM (sdi6R)

250 245
Sharpen the non mouth end, add some knurling and you have a tactical straw for self defense. I call dibs on the patent rights. Needs a catchy name. Ideas?


strawy mcstrawsalot

Posted by: Anachronda at June 16, 2019 11:53 PM (SrGgr)

251 My dad is 78, and suffers from advanced dementia (non-Alzeimers). He is still with us, in the sense that he knows who we are, and can follow conversations, and still laughs, and he loves to pick on my wife (they have always had that kind of relationship).

Still, he was once a voracious reader, was quick and thoughtful, and we would talk about...stuff. He was never a TV guy, except for a few shows.

Last time I was with him we watched old episodes of Gunsmoke.

I love my dad, and I hate that he is wandering in this waking dream-state. Which is how I imagine it. Like being not-quite awake.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 16, 2019 11:53 PM (SUV+r)

252 NZFrank - Received my copy of Upham book. A bit pricey. It's interesting, the original publish was by Ives Washburn, $3.65. The Popular Library published a paperback (which I have) for $0.60. What did I pay for the $0.60 used paperback? $12.00

Ebay has copies listed at somewhat higher prices, though I note one for $4.99 + $3.50 shipping. Any interested Moron ought to jump on it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 11:53 PM (U2TY5)

253 Sharpen the non mouth end, add some knurling and you have a tactical straw for self defense. I call dibs on the patent rights. Needs a catchy name. Ideas?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:51 PM



The Straw-In-Your-Craw?

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 16, 2019 11:54 PM (7WaWV)

254 254 NZFrank - Received my copy of Upham book. A bit pricey. It's interesting, the original publish was by Ives Washburn, $3.65. The Popular Library published a paperback (which I have) for $0.60. What did I pay for the $0.60 used paperback? $12.00

Ebay has copies listed at somewhat higher prices, though I note one for $4.99 + $3.50 shipping. Any interested Moron ought to jump on it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 11:53 PM (U2TY5)

Kewl. Let us know what you thought of it and him.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:55 PM (bgJ0E)

255 redc1c4 - Glad he made it back! Give him a firm talking to and some cuddles.

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:55 PM (RfzVr)

256 The John Wick. Ima gueenniusss.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:52 PM (bgJ0E)


You could carry a concealed pencil in it, and it would be twice as deadly.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 16, 2019 11:55 PM (Z4rgH)

257 The Straw-In-Your-Craw?
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto

Bluebell's Sip-n-Shiv

Posted by: Miklos from Ronco at June 16, 2019 11:56 PM (QzkSJ)

258 Sharpen the non mouth end, add some knurling and you have a tactical straw for self defense. I call dibs on the patent rights. Needs a catchy name. Ideas?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:51 PM (bgJ0E)

The mouth end has a bend at the top two inches.

I carry a cauliflower knife so I'm good. I also have guns. I was at a Father's Day party and one of the dads had a lgbt shirt. He wore it in weho. No one said a thing. LGBT stands for liberty, guns, beer and Trump in the shape of an American Flag. I live in Santa Barbara county but it's still Bakersfield west.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 16, 2019 11:56 PM (7bcfy)

259 my thanks to Teh Horde: please keep my boy in your thoughts. it looks like he may really need them.

Thanks for the update. Will keep Shane in my prayers. Hopefully the vet will fix him right up.

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 16, 2019 11:56 PM (pPNCa)

260 Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 16, 2019 11:53 PM (SUV+r)

That sounds hard, but I am glad that he still knows who you are and can follow conversations. Seeing the decline of older family members is very, very difficult-I think particularly when their mind goes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 11:56 PM (ahS0B)

261 Bluebell's Sip-n-Shiv

Posted by: Miklos from Ronco at June 16, 2019 11:56 PM



Is there anything bluebell can't weaponise?

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 16, 2019 11:57 PM (7WaWV)

262 So sorry Pug. Hang in there. He's still alive. God Bless

Posted by: E. Stan Bull at June 16, 2019 11:57 PM (B+t5k)

263 258 The John Wick. Ima gueenniusss.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:52 PM (bgJ0E)

You could carry a concealed pencil in it, and it would be twice as deadly.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 16, 2019 11:55 PM (Z4rgH)

You could be in Class III territory there. At least it doesn't have a thing that goes up.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:58 PM (bgJ0E)

264 Is there anything bluebell can't weaponise?
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto

Careful about paper cuts from the cookbook.

Posted by: Miklos, reading it with oyster shucking gloves on at June 16, 2019 11:59 PM (QzkSJ)

265 As soon as this foolishness with the straws began, I bought a lifetime supply.

They are stored under the spare bed alongside my lifetime supply of incandescent light bulbs (FU Fred Upton).

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:59 PM (RfzVr)

266 Bluebell's Sip-n-Shiv

Posted by: Miklos from Ronco at June 16, 2019 11:56 PM



Bluebell's Drank-n-Shank?


Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 17, 2019 12:00 AM (7WaWV)

267 Seeing the decline of older family members is very, very difficult-I think particularly when their mind goes.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 11:56 PM (ahS0B)

My wife's pop had Alzheimer's. He passed away a decade ago. Some of the symptoms seem similar, but there are also stark differences. Brain ailments, for obvious reasons, can be wildly different.

Best I can do is visit often, and hug him hard.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 17, 2019 12:00 AM (SUV+r)

268 They are stored under the spare bed alongside my lifetime supply of incandescent light bulbs (FU Fred Upton).
Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:59 PM (RfzVr)

Great minds think alike. I have a lifetime supply of regular bulbs in my barn.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2019 12:01 AM (7bcfy)

269 Bluebell's Slurp-N-Slice?

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 17, 2019 12:02 AM (7WaWV)

270 Bluebell's Drank-n-Shank?


Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto

Tipple-n-Cripple

Posted by: Miklos, it is now Monday apparently at June 17, 2019 12:02 AM (QzkSJ)

271 266 Is there anything bluebell can't weaponise?
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto

Careful about paper cuts from the cookbook.
Posted by: Miklos, reading it with oyster shucking gloves on at June 16, 2019 11:59 PM (QzkSJ)

Doing a refresher on combat lifesavers course last week and the instructor asked the class what was the most dangerous cut to a person was? Apparently my answer of guillotine was wrong, whereas a paper cut was the right one. Why?, dioxins in the paper. Fooking lethal. I loled.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 17, 2019 12:03 AM (bgJ0E)

272 At 77, San franpsycho you crack me up. Just a question, is she Italian?

Panhandler if you're still around you certainly have my sympathies. I scrunch my ankle April 29th and I'm still in a dam wait free bearing cast. Best wishes to you I can understand.

Watch that razorfist vidd. He used the term coon's age LOL. Is that allowed today? And what's the origin of that?

Posted by: Farmer at June 17, 2019 12:04 AM (4PNQ/)

273 So sorry Pug. Hang in there. He's still alive. God Bless
Posted by: E. Stan Bull at June 16, 2019 11:57 PM (B+t5k)

*fist-bump*

Yup. Gonna take a trip to Montana soon. I miss my folks.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 17, 2019 12:04 AM (SUV+r)

274 Gut-N-Guzzle?

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 17, 2019 12:05 AM (7WaWV)

275 The guy from Somalia probably doesn't want to go back to Somalia and he might want Americans to consume less because he thinks waste is bad, but I'm inclined to think if he's anything like Ilhan Omar he'd like to have power to lord it over others. After all, many Somalis are warlords and while they might love their families and "tribal group" there are Somalis who are not nice at all. Maybe I shouldn't say that, but I am very distrustful of Socialists in general.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2019 12:06 AM (ahS0B)

276 A French literature book was almost the death of me. I fell asleep on the book, and nearly joked to death on my own drool.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 12:06 AM (U2TY5)

277
Watch that razorfist vidd. He used the term coon's age LOL. Is that allowed today? And what's the origin of that?
Posted by: Farmer at June 17, 2019 12:04 AM (4PNQ/)

We totally say that in deep blue California.

I hope you're feeling better soon

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2019 12:06 AM (7bcfy)

278 Best I can do is visit often, and hug him hard.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 17, 2019 12:00 AM (SUV+r)

that's great!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2019 12:07 AM (ahS0B)

279 Gut-N-Guzzle?
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto
---------
Sip-n-Rip

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 12:07 AM (HTHlp)

280 Okay I think I got a possible idea to write about for that SF anthology submission call in the side-bar. And hopefully its not been done before, not going to go searching.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2019 12:08 AM (n7RTy)

281 Stab - n - Grab

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 17, 2019 12:08 AM (SUV+r)

282 Swill-n-Kill

Posted by: Miklos, it is still now Monday apparently at June 17, 2019 12:10 AM (QzkSJ)

283 A'ight. It's a school night.

'Night Horde.

Love you crazy bastages.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 17, 2019 12:10 AM (SUV+r)

284 Suck n stuck.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 17, 2019 12:10 AM (bgJ0E)

285
I read about a German rapid hole digger used in WW2. Source: Rockets, Missiles and Space Travel by Willy Ley, a 1960s edition I think.

The purpose was to dig holes for a particular type if antitank mine. A sharpened metal rod about an inch in diameter would be stuck in the ground vertically. A small short-duration high-thrust rocket mounted on top would drive the rod into the ground. A length of prima-cord would be detonated in the hole made by the rod, resulting in a cylindrical hole about 10 inches in diameter. Sounds like a post hole digger to me.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 17, 2019 12:11 AM (t5m5e)

286 Great minds think alike. I have a lifetime supply of regular bulbs in my barn.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2019 12:01 AM (7bcfy)


Me too (minus the barn). Those $20 LED things are supposed to last thousands of hours, but they mostly burn out in a month or two.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2019 12:12 AM (h2Bdk)

287 Drain-N-Pain

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 17, 2019 12:12 AM (7WaWV)

288 Sounds like a post hole digger to me.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 17, 2019 12:11 AM (t5m5e)

Sounds cray cray. Never heard of that one. Interesting.
*Steeples fingers, narrows eyes, sharts*

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 17, 2019 12:13 AM (bgJ0E)

289 Thank you Kelly girl. I was very glad to hear your troubles have been solved. Good for you and your family. And to my smartphone that's Callie Callie no 1 L. Stupid phone. LOL

Posted by: Farmer at June 17, 2019 12:13 AM (4PNQ/)

290 Partake-n-Exsanguinate

Posted by: Miklos, already mentally having lunch in Charleston at June 17, 2019 12:14 AM (QzkSJ)

291 I never heard of spanx before. I had to google it. Since Miss Hum paired it with Amazon, I figured it was some new FANG-type of stock.

We used to call what spanx makes "girdles."

Posted by: mnw at June 16, 2019 10:51 PM (Cssks)



Guys Learn the Horrible Truth About Spanx

https://youtu.be/RH8resqXUh4

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2019 12:14 AM (hSQmw)

292 Sharpen the non mouth end, add some knurling and you
have a tactical straw for self defense. I call dibs on the patent
rights. Needs a catchy name. Ideas?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:51 PM (bgJ0E)



Bombilla. They use them in Argentina to drink yerba mate.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2019 12:15 AM (hSQmw)

293 214 Someone mentioned a TENS unit upthread. I've had back and neck problems for years and have one. They work fantastic even if it's just muscle spasms. Highly recommend
Posted by: BigZesty at June 16, 2019 11:34 PM (SzPGP)


Thanks BZ. That's what I'm hoping. The TENS Insty linked to is less than $30 so I might as well give it a try. I did have TENS done, as part of physical therapy, before my surgeries. But there's nothing TENS or PT is going to do for you when the nucleus pulppsus is extruded from you disk like thick toothpaste and wraps itself around your sciatic nerve.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 17, 2019 12:16 AM (LMcFk)

294
Bombilla. They use them in Argentina to drink yerba mate.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2019 12:15 AM (hSQmw)

No need to swear at me, amigo.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 17, 2019 12:16 AM (bgJ0E)

295 There's a certain index of misery that applies to all things. Plus, perception and interpretation are rarely the same things.
Happy Fathers Day to all who qualify.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 17, 2019 12:17 AM (l9m7l)

296 267
They are stored under the spare bed alongside my lifetime supply of incandescent light bulbs (FU Fred Upton).

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 11:59 PM (RfzVr)


I did that too. I bought a case each of 60, 75, and 100 watt bulbs.

So far I'm almost halfway through the 75 watt case, but have barely touched the 60's and 100's.

Posted by: rickl at June 17, 2019 12:20 AM (sdi6R)

297 I'll never forget the night of the raid over Yerba Mate.

Posted by: Ted Striker at June 17, 2019 12:21 AM (9SkN+)

298 One never gets over Yerba Mate...

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 17, 2019 12:22 AM (7WaWV)

299 299 I'll never forget the night of the raid over Yerba Mate.
Posted by: Ted Striker at June 17, 2019 12:21 AM (9SkN+)

You were there too?? Sniff.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 17, 2019 12:22 AM (bgJ0E)

300 The Death Straw would make a perfect companion to the Life Straw...

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 17, 2019 12:24 AM (7WaWV)

301 Is there a single piece of lefty legislation that isn't just legalized theft?

Hmmmm... Left. L-egalized Th-eft.

Left. L-egalized Th-eft.

I may be onto something. Or just very tired.

Posted by: ... at June 17, 2019 12:26 AM (uEbPt)

302 302 The Death Straw would make a perfect companion to the Life Straw...
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 17, 2019 12:24 AM (7WaWV)

I like that name. Death straw, it's perfect.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2019 12:26 AM (7bcfy)

303 I'll never forget the night of the raid over Yerba Mate.
Posted by: Ted Striker
--------

Or the liberation of the Yerba Mate POW camp.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 12:27 AM (U7Mh9)

304 I like that name. Death straw, it's perfect.
Posted by: CaliGirl
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It wouldn't play well in a self defense trial.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 12:28 AM (U7Mh9)

305 Knock knock
Who's there?
Yerba Mate
Yerba Mate who?
Gesundheit

Knock knock
Who's there?
Yerba Mate
Yerba Mate who?
Whaddaya mean Yerba Mate who? Yerba Mate.

Knock knock
Who's there?
Yerba Mate
Yerba Mate who?
No. YERba Mate who!!!

Like I said. I'm very tired.

Posted by: ... at June 17, 2019 12:29 AM (uEbPt)

306 New HBO series starts tonight, Euphoria. It's about a black teenage girl who fucks a transgender guy (or is it girl) and some other dude fucks some other dude who then fucks some chick who then I dunno....it's basically porn. Now that Game of Thrones is over HBO needs some new porn on Sundays and they decided tranny teen porn is the way to go.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 17, 2019 12:29 AM (FiUMj)

307 Self Defense trial?

Call it a Def Straw and claim you were mis-heard.

Posted by: Halfwise at June 17, 2019 12:30 AM (kLxSO)

308 There is Truth in your Straw of Life, and your Straw of Death...

Posted by: Ten Bears at June 17, 2019 12:31 AM (7WaWV)

309 they decided tranny teen porn is the way to go.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

The Death Straw needs clinical validation.

Posted by: Miklos, CRO manager at June 17, 2019 12:31 AM (QzkSJ)

310
HBO needs some new porn on Sundays and they decided tranny teen porn is the way to go.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker


"The ballsy realism of HBO's Euphoria is worth the risk"

https://mashable.com/article/hbo-euphoria-review

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2019 12:32 AM (aKsyK)

311
It wouldn't play well in a self defense trial.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 12:28 AM (U7Mh9)

Okay then the life straw, we never said whose life were talking about. Death straw still sounds cooler.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2019 12:32 AM (7bcfy)

312 "The ballsy realism of HBO's Euphoria is worth the risk"


But are the balls real?

Posted by: Miklos, Hollywood "bean counter" at June 17, 2019 12:33 AM (QzkSJ)

313 214 Someone mentioned a TENS unit upthread. I've had back and neck problems for years and have one. They work fantastic even if it's just muscle spasms. Highly recommend
Posted by: BigZesty at June 16, 2019 11:34 PM (SzPGP)

Thanks BZ. That's what I'm hoping. The TENS Insty linked to is less than $30 so I might as well give it a try. I did have TENS done, as part of physical therapy, before my surgeries. But there's nothing TENS or PT is going to do for you when the nucleus pulppsus is extruded from you disk like thick toothpaste and wraps itself around your sciatic nerve.

Actually, PT and TENS will help. They won't fix the underlying problem, but they'll help keep you functional until it's time for surgery. I have the same thing as you do in both my neck and back. I'd rather have surgery, but in the mean time, they do help. They just aren't a cure all. But, they do help.

Posted by: BigZesty at June 17, 2019 12:33 AM (SzPGP)

314
I got interested in "envy" vs "jealousy" and looked it up. The two ring very different to my ears. It turns out, in modern usage, the former is morphing into the latter, sort of like "infer" vs "imply". And that drives me crazy.

Anyway, "envy" means one resents, begrudges something of another. One wants it for oneself and despises the other for having it. That is envy.

Here's what "Modern American Usage" by Garner says:
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Jealousy is properly restricted to contexts involving emotional rivalry; envy is used more broadly of resentful contemplation of a more fortunate person.
--------------------------------

Admiring what another has and wanting something similar for oneself is not envy. Envy is resenting and begrudging that person for having it.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 17, 2019 12:35 AM (f1Vqw)

315 The thing with HBO's new show is how lame it is. They're going for edgy but how edgy is it to have a story that glamorizes drug use, trannies and gays? Oooooh so much edge!!! LOL

And besides this is basically The Basketball Diaries, 15 years later. That was an edgy movie. This series is just silly.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 17, 2019 12:36 AM (FiUMj)

316 I'd rather have surgery


Make sure they use an authentic SurgiStraw

Posted by: Miklos, accepting no SubstiStraws at June 17, 2019 12:37 AM (QzkSJ)

317 Also I saw Anne Hathaway today.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2019 12:37 AM (7bcfy)

318 SurgiStraw! If it's made of medical grade silicone, one can drink and piss through it...

Posted by: Ten Bears at June 17, 2019 12:39 AM (7WaWV)

319 Also I saw Anne Hathaway today.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2019 12:37 AM (7bcfy)

Will Shakespeare's widow? She must be really getting on in years, now.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2019 12:40 AM (WG6O9)

320 The reason why lefties think capitalists (read: people who work for a living) are evil is... surprise... projection. They lie, cheat and steal to get whatever they want, and assume all capitalists have got to be doing the same thing.

That's why conspiracy theories were the near sole property of the left for a long time. They just assumed folks in power were doing exactly what *they* would do if they were given the chance.

Posted by: ... at June 17, 2019 12:40 AM (uEbPt)

321 f it's made of medical grade silicone, one can drink and piss through it...
Posted by: Ten Bears

Swizzle-n-Pizzle

Posted by: Miklos, accepting no SubstiStraws at June 17, 2019 12:40 AM (QzkSJ)

322 Will Shakespeare's widow? She must be really getting on in years, now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2019 12:40 AM (WG6O9)

She looked really old. She was with her dad he looked like walking death.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2019 12:42 AM (7bcfy)

323 For example if you anonymously ask the average "conservative" from the last 50 years if they would secretly taint the water supply with an otherwise harmless (as far as we know) drug that would turn everyone in the country conservative/patriotic, only a minority would agree to it because it's not freedom and it's f*cking sick.

Poll lefties from the last 50 years anonymously on the other hand to do the same thing for a harmless drug that would turn everyone liberal and rid the world of gun-totin' Christianist Deplorables, and you wouldn't be surprised to find it's a fairly hefty majority.

There has been no such study. I am going from a lifetime of observation.

Posted by: ... at June 17, 2019 12:45 AM (uEbPt)

324
The latest gossip is that Prince Philip, Harry's grandfather, told Harry about Meghan, "One steps out with actresses, one doesn't marry them."

And William and Kate weren't too keen on her either.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 17, 2019 12:47 AM (f1Vqw)

325 Sounds like something Phil Battenberg would say...

Posted by: Ten Bears at June 17, 2019 12:48 AM (7WaWV)

326 Sounds like something Phil Battenberg would say...
Posted by: Ten Bears at June 17, 2019 12:48 AM (7WaWV)

No flies on that boy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2019 12:50 AM (WG6O9)

327 Posted by: ... at June 17, 2019 12:45 AM (uEbPt)

___

I'd not only agree to the drug, I'd volunteer to dump thousands of pounds of it on a nightly basis. You example is perfect in showing why the left always wins. They play to win, the right plays to be nice.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 17, 2019 12:52 AM (FiUMj)

328 Sharpen the non mouth end, add some knurling and you have a tactical straw for self defense. I call dibs on the patent rights. Needs a catchy name. Ideas?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 11:51 PM (bgJ0E)


Smart Straw.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 12:52 AM (weya0)

329 And I am going to go to bed. Tired tonight. I filled in a hole I dug. I did some weed whacking. I repaired the pump-out standpipe in my septic tank, and got it pumped down. I mowed about an acre of grass with the riding mower, and I started and moved a friend's Studebaker stored here, and aired up its tires.

Then I drove to town, fueled up the suburban, and filled cans of both gas and diesel fuel.

And did two loads of laundry.

So I am legitimately tired. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2019 12:55 AM (WG6O9)

330 BC Z thank you smartphone. And all those others talking about back issues and tens I know where you're coming from. Tents to some good for me in therapy we got one at home and sell them used it it didn't seem to do much I don't know.

I'll tell you what wi'll cure your back problems real freaking quick break your f****** ankle! The pain from that will override the pain from your back issues promise happened to me. And before that I discussed pain with one of the docs and he said there is actually a scientific proven Theory that's the nerves are overridden by the most pain and others are in a gated. I've never heard that until I brought it up to him curious if any of you others have heard that.

Posted by: Farmer at June 17, 2019 12:55 AM (4PNQ/)

331 And did two loads of laundry.
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*snap*

Dammit, forgot to put the laundry in the dryer.

*scurries off*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 12:59 AM (KoKdw)

332 I put Yerba Mate in my coffee... am I doing it wrong?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 17, 2019 12:59 AM (flINI)

333 Smart Straw.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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The knurled version would be Smart Straw Pro.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 01:00 AM (KoKdw)

334 > Those $20 LED things are supposed to last thousands of hours, but they mostly burn out in a month or two.

The cheap ones are... cheap.

Got a Philips LED here that's been burning CONTINUOUSLY for 10 years come next Christmas. But it wasn't cheap.

Posted by: Jules Winnfield at June 17, 2019 01:00 AM (Vy4a0)

335 Actually, PT and TENS will help. They won't fix the underlying problem, but they'll help keep you functional until it's time for surgery. I have the same thing as you do in both my neck and back. I'd rather have surgery, but in the mean time, they do help. They just aren't a cure all. But, they do help.
Posted by: BigZesty at June 17, 2019 12:33 AM (SzPGP)

They didn't help for me. That was 20 years ago. Nucleus pulposus is very irritating to nerves, apparently. I could not function, period. Surgery was the only option, and it worked miracles. Second time, 10 years ago, it was "only" a herniated disc, not ruptured lke the first time. (BTW first was L4/L5, second was L5/S1). That time, actually, PT provided some pain relief - not much - but doc decided to do surgery after first PT session b/c I started to have paralysis in my toes & didn't want to risk permanent nerve damage. That time surgery was minimally invasive and again, miraculous. Pain was gone immediately, but it took a few months for the paralysis to go away.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 17, 2019 01:06 AM (LMcFk)

336 After all, many Somalis are warlords and while they might love their families and "tribal group" there are Somalis who are not nice at all. Maybe I shouldn't say that, but I am very distrustful of Socialists in general.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2019 12:06 AM (ahS0B)
---
we should slosh them all with Martini's, just to be sure.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 17, 2019 01:08 AM (AL4IR)

337 Pip The Greek rules like a boss.
' you there. Fuck off and when you get there... fuck off some more.'
A true gent of the Andrew.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at June 17, 2019 01:08 AM (rxpKr)

338 BTW the second time the herniation was, IIRC, 2 cm. That sounds huge but I'm pretty sure that's how big it was.

Anyway, I'm glad PT & TENS is working for you. Hope you get permanent relief.

I'm headed over to Amazon now to order a TENS.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 17, 2019 01:12 AM (LMcFk)

339 To explain to septics.
Pip The Greek. Prince Phillip.
The fuck off some more quote is true.
The Andrew is the Royal Navy.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at June 17, 2019 01:13 AM (rxpKr)

340 Average guy great pic. I wonder how the heck that stump got into that position simply doesn't seem natural. I'm guessing somebody drugged up there for a purpose. But what a great pic you must have had a fantastic time.

Posted by: Farmer at June 17, 2019 01:13 AM (4PNQ/)

341 The cheap ones are... cheap.

Got a Philips LED here that's been burning CONTINUOUSLY for 10 years come next Christmas. But it wasn't cheap.

Posted by: Jules Winnfield at June 17, 2019 01:00 AM (Vy4a0)


It's a shame because even the LEDs in the cheap ones would last for years and years if they didn't try to push so much current through them to get that last lumen of light. If you run any of these LEDs at 85% capacity they will basically burn forever.

I would note that incandescents running on DC can burn for years and years (decades) too.

I would say that I've had generally good experiences with the LEDs I have, so far (though it's only been a few years so we're not even close to the time required to really know). The only bulbs that I had serious problems with were some little ceiling light halogen replacements that burnt out pretty quickly.

Now, the halogens I had in there used to burn out quickly, too, and I think there was a problem with the fixture ... but still, the LEDs disappointed me, there. But it turned out that the LEDs I bought were actually guaranteed and I wrote the company and they sent me out a new 4-pack.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 01:18 AM (weya0)

342 oh my!!

MSM polls show Trump will lose between 50 and 57 states in 2020.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 17, 2019 01:18 AM (FiUMj)

343 The knurled version would be Smart Straw Pro.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2019 01:00 AM (KoKdw)


Heh. Exactly.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 01:21 AM (weya0)

344 oh my!!

MSM polls show Trump will lose between 50 and 57 states in 2020.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 17, 2019 01:18 AM (FiUMj)


He's definitely going to get beaten badly in Western Europe and East Africa.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 17, 2019 01:24 AM (weya0)

345 oh my!!

MSM polls show Trump will lose between 50 and 57 states in 2020.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 17, 2019 01:18 AM (FiUMj)

He can't even break 10% in Sweden! Looks like an early night for Trump!

Posted by: The MSM at June 17, 2019 01:34 AM (tVQUs)

346 NZ Frank- how far is 800 mtrs away?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 17, 2019 01:37 AM (w7U7L)

347 That stump probably came from the forest surrounding the meadow, wouldn't have had to be moved far. It's been there for a while.

Did have a great time. But the water was high and cold from the snow melt so I only fished for about 1/2 hour before giving up. Someone willing to plumb the depths with a nymph and split shot might have found some fish but I don't swing that way.

Discovered our sleeping pads weren't up to the task so after the second night we decided to bug out one day early. Will definitely be backpacking again but will be equipped with better sleeping pads, less food, and less stuff in general (my pack was ~40#, son's was 25-30). But the ribeye steaks and cold beers on the first night were worth the extra weight.

I mentioned here before the trip that this was my first backpacking experience in ~30 years, and my son's first ever (he's 19). Looking forward to many more.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 17, 2019 01:47 AM (LMcFk)

348
The glories of low consumption as pushed by a Somalian refugee? If that was a white American saying that I'd think it was a sick joke. Yeah, I could find some images of low consumption in that country real easy.

I read the dude's Twitter feed. A race-mongerer who means to take America down a peg. In other words a shoo-in and future prominent Democrat haranguer.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 17, 2019 01:53 AM (13CQC)

349 how far is 800 mtrs away?
Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 17, 2019 01:37 AM (w7U7L)


about 2000 feet

Posted by: Ole, Evill twin of Sven at June 17, 2019 01:54 AM (vqIkG)

350 The only bulbs that I had serious problems with were some little ceiling light halogen replacements that burnt out pretty quickly.

Heat destroys them pretty quickly. They say to get the most life out of them you have to replace your fixtures.

I can buy a lot of electricity for what it would cost to replace all my light fixtures.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 17, 2019 02:14 AM (h2Bdk)

351 Average guy sounds like you had an awesome trip with your son very cool. When I was about his age my dad took us camping in the Rockies we came from the Midwest. I was that age where I didn't want to go almost at a high school but had to go. We had a great time always will cherish those memories.

Posted by: Farmer at June 17, 2019 02:20 AM (4PNQ/)

352 The glories of low consumption as pushed by a Somalian refugee?

One of the interesting things about the Green New Deal is that the masks are coming off - earlier, environmental rhetoric claimed that, although that you'll have to make a few changes to your lifestyle, your standard of living would improve: You'll get to bike to work! You'll be able to walk to the store! You'll live in a vibrant urban neighborhood, instead of a soulless dehumanizing suburb!

Now, they are increasingly admitting that you're going to be a lot poorer - unless you are in the nomenklatura, you'll never fly in a plane again. You'll never own a car again. You might be able to eat meat once in awhile on special occasions, but otherwise you won't be able to afford it. You'll have to live in a small apartment within walking distance of a mass transit stop, because that is the only way to get around, other than a bicycle.

The idea that a Somali village is some sort of ecological model that we should be emulating is absurd, and should be terrifying anyone who would like to keep a First World lifestyle.

And remember, a Democratic US Senator and Representative were sitting there listening to this, doubtless nodding along as this guy talked.

Posted by: ARC of History! at June 17, 2019 02:42 AM (I2/tG)

353 >>how far is 800 mtrs away?


4,636.4 Degrees Kelvin

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2019 02:51 AM (XdF3B)

354 >> I saw Anne Hathaway today.


But, did she see you?

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2019 02:53 AM (XdF3B)

355 Regarding the woman who can't drink without a straw. How does she eat?

Posted by: Ree at June 17, 2019 02:56 AM (TSjzP)

356 Regarding the woman who can't drink without a straw. How does she eat?
Posted by: Ree at June 17, 2019 02:56 AM (TSjzP)

She probably avoids soup.

Posted by: Surfperch, still having phone trouble at June 17, 2019 03:18 AM (tVQUs)

357 Mornin', all.

Posted by: My life is insanity at June 17, 2019 03:52 AM (A0NQI)

358 323 For example if you anonymously ask the average "conservative" from the last 50 years if they would secretly taint the water supply with an otherwise harmless (as far as we know) drug that would turn everyone in the country conservative/patriotic, only a minority would agree to it because it's not freedom and it's f*cking sick.

Poll lefties from the last 50 years anonymously on the other hand to do the same thing for a harmless drug that would turn everyone liberal and rid the world of gun-totin' Christianist Deplorables, and you wouldn't be surprised to find it's a fairly hefty majority.

There has been no such study. I am going from a lifetime of observation.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2019 12:45 AM (uEbPt)

This particular additive, could it be modified to make everyone worship me as a God King? Asking for a friend...

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at June 17, 2019 04:01 AM (jp0Bv)

359 Wake up! You need to make money

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 04:14 AM (BbGew)

360 Anyone out there?

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2019 04:50 AM (BbGew)

Gun Thread: Happy Father's Day!! [Weasel]

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My Dad passed on many years ago, and we went shooting together exactly once. One of my biggest regrets is he didn't live to see some of my accomplishments later in life simply as evidence he'd done a good job as a parent, and that at some point I eventually got my head out of my ass. I sure do miss him.

Did you go hunting or to the range with your dad? Did he teach you how to shoot? If you're the dad now, what sort of things do you do together with your kids? Not the big things, but what sort of small everyday things that really matter?

Moving along to other things...

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Nothing is wrong with this picture!


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It's the same thing - only different!


I love the as-issued Garand so much, I bought this little sawed-off feller a few years ago when I had the opportunity. It's an M1 "Tanker" model chambered in .308 Winchester by Arlington Ord., sometime in the 1990's. A shortened Garand was a concept weapon during the latter days of WWII, but never made it into production. Although a small number of prototype rifles were assembled and evaluated by the War Department, they were never issued to troops for a variety of reasons.

Instead, the "Tanker" model became a marketing ploy by several different importers much later and were assembled from parts likely returned from Korea or in some cases, the Philippines. Often looked down upon by the purist M1 collector, this rifle is a hell of a lot of fun to shoot, it's very accurate, and the fact that it isn't absolutely original doesn't bother me one little bit. Opinions and reports regarding the quality and functionality of the customization seem to be all over the place, with some importers doing a better job with the modification than others. The ones modified by Blue Sky were apparently very unreliable. I've never had a problem with this Arlington Ord., - it works flawlessly. It's such a popular idea that Fulton Armory is still making some very nice (and pricey!) examples today.

So what do you think? Do you feel customizing a Garand is an affront to all that is good and decent, or does it look like fun to you too?

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Well now let's see what else there is to talk about:

Taking a road trip this summer anywhere near Springfield, MA? If you are, then a trip to the Springfield Armory National Historic Site and Museum is in order. The collection of weapons there is truly remarkable. If you are even remotely interested in firearms, it's worth a visit! For the armchair traveler, a searchable database of their collection can be found here and here.

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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, here's a Fox News article on "gun free zones" and the Virginia Beach shooting. Evidently, one of the victims was worried about the lunatic shooter and had discussed bringing a gun to work with her now widowed husband. Yes, I know technically it was the city employees who were prohibited from carrying weapons inside the building, not visitors, but I seriously doubt that distinction matters much to all of the dead city employees. It was a de-facto "gun free zone" which I think is stupid, retarded, bullshit. The person or persons who set these policies should be held responsible.

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It should come as no surprise to anyone that I'm a fan of revolvers (I'm old) and the Smith & Wesson brand in particular. Here's a nice review of the Model 19 and a new offering from the S&W Performance Center.


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Please note the new and improved gmail account morongunthread at gmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 Happy father's day guys

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (BbGew)

2 Dare I Hope?

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (2+QJR)

3 Damn, Skippie!

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (2+QJR)

4 Mmm, not much. A bit of .300 Savage reloading for my 99EG.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (k3g2v)

5 Dare I Hope?

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (2+QJR)
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Hope is not warranted at this point!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:02 PM (MVjcR)

6 No warrants out for Hope. That's a good thing.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:05 PM (2+QJR)

7 6 No warrants out for Hope. That's a good thing.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:05 PM (2+QJR)
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If your name is Hope!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (MVjcR)

8 Corgis dutifully called

Need to get out soon

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (BbGew)

9 I've got a pretty good relationship with my father, but the man has zero interest in guns. He's pretty much right down the line on gun control. We used to argue about it, but it got boring after a while.

He's not entirely ignorant of them - he trained on the M-14 when he was in the Army Reserve, but it's just not a thing we talk about.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (cfSRQ)

10 Great thread as always, Weasel. Thanks!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (gC2IV)

11 Of Note: I had an extracting issue with my Kimber.

Stripped the gun, pulled the extractor, degunked and lubed everything. (gun probably has 10K rounds through it before stripping.)

Ran my Kimber in IDPA and Steel challenge these last two Saturdays, without cleaning. (IDPA is about 120 rounds)

Total of around 350 rounds spread across two Saturdays of shooting and the gun performed flawlessly.

Gun is now clean and nesting comfortably in the gun safe.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (WEBkv)

12 Well, Weasel. I suspect your collection would be an affront to modern liberalism. You must buy gun safes by the dozen.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (2+QJR)

13 Sometimes called a 'Tanker' M1.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (Ou6XS)

14 10 Great thread as always, Weasel. Thanks!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (gC2IV)
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Thanks Duke!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (MVjcR)

15 Taking a road trip this summer anywhere near Springfield, MA? If you are, then a trip to the Springfield Armory National Historic Site and Museum is in order.

Oddly enough, I'm moving out to that neck of the woods in about a week. The museum is in my to do list very soon.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (Vzb0I)

16
Did you go hunting or to the range with your dad? Did he teach you how to shoot?

My father was not one of the "do things with the kids" kind. He was a good man but his work was the most important thing to him.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (Wx/+I)

17 On another note: My Garand will be used in a high power match next Saturday.

I have to give up on the K31 until I get peep sights on it, as my eyes have finally deteriorated to the point I can't use the original sights any more. Darn it.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 16, 2019 07:08 PM (WEBkv)

18 Solo?

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:08 PM (KEX6Y)

19 Putting lamb chops on the grill. BBL.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (2+QJR)

20 My Colt Trooper was my first firearm, flawless operation, kept cleaned and oiled not much can go wrong.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (BbGew)

21 Maybe mom and dad divorced when I was 4. But somewhere my mom has a picture of my dad behind me with his arms holding my hands holding his service 45.

I'd like to find that.

Posted by: US Navy at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (VPncT)

22 And some of my best memories of the dad are the time we spent at the range. I have since, unfortunately, inherited a great gun collection.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (Vzb0I)

23 Well, Weasel. I suspect your collection would be an affront to modern liberalism. You must buy gun safes by the dozen.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (2+QJR)
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Ha! Yeah, well I have a few!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

24 My not maybe

Posted by: US Navy at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (VPncT)

25 Wish Mom hadn't sold Dad's Garand.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:10 PM (kQs4Y)

26 Happy Father's Day all!!!

Alas, another week with no range time. I need a spanking. I'll be there this week though, as next week I'm disappearing into the Texas interior for a week and don't want to be too rusty in case some animal decides to tell me I'm not welcome.

Haven't gone camping since the 1980's. Looking forward to it.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (sW6FL)

27 I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (fuK7c)

28 Oddly enough, I'm moving out to that neck of the woods in about a week. The museum is in my to do list very soon.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:07 PM (Vzb0I)
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You will not be disappointed! Also, there is a very good Italian restaurant in town not far from the museum.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

29 Wish Mom hadn't sold Dad's Garand.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:10 PM (kQs4Y)

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I'll bet he was pissed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (9SkN+)

30 Over in a neighboring (30 miles) town yesterday,I stopped in at the local gun shop, and across the street at a GI surplus store.

At the gun shop I handled a Glock 42, which I had not before. Nice enough, certainly would make a good carry piece.

The other item I handled was a Sig P365. Wow...did it feel good. Never have fired either, but that Sig just felt right.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:12 PM (U7Mh9)

31 Wow old sock. Definitely not US Navy

Posted by: blaster at June 16, 2019 07:12 PM (VPncT)

32 I love my dad. I really do. But he was not the guy who taught me to shoot. Dad is a Marine. He knows how to shoot.

But aside from a brief period of my childhood when he hunted elk and deer, it simply did not interest him.

My best friend's dad taught me to shoot. Jim's dad had an arsenal that was mind-boggling, and a lot of those guns were collector pieces.

I once shot a single shot breech-loaded 45-70 with an octagonal barrel. Kick-ass.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 07:12 PM (SUV+r)

33 This is gonna drive me nuts. Ok, short drive. Anyway, I spent two years at Marine Barracks 8th & I, drilling with the Garand. For the life of me, I can't remember what the slings were made of or what color. I want to say black leather. To be fair, it was 1985, so...

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (gC2IV)

34 Also, there is a very good Italian restaurant in town not far from the museum.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM

Hmm....name?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (Vzb0I)

35 I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Sling

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (U7Mh9)

36 dros'd two new (to us) shotguns this week.

both are Ducks Unlimited guns, which Resident Evil has decided we should collect.

also found the first gun to buy with my 03 FFL: a 1954 Ruger Mk 1.

my guy also asked his ATF guy about marking the guns in my safe as "not for sale": apparently, since i am not a gub store, nor engaged in selling them, i don't have to worry about it.

i'd still like to have that in writing though.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (KEX6Y)

37 Nah, never shot with my dad. We were a daughter-only family and what interest I showed was politely but firmly discouraged. Couldn't join the HS rifle team either; no girls allowed. This was the 60s.
Was at the trap range about 10 days ago; didn't do very well. I wear bifocals and I seemed to keep hitting that fuzzy zone between "near" and "far" when aiming for the clays. What I really need to do is get some dedicated shooting glasses, for distance only.

Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (S6ArX)

38 35 I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

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Sling? We don' need no steekeeng sling.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (9SkN+)

39 Springfield, MA - I did some subdivision work there. One unusual thing was the property corners set in the historic areas are not iron pipe, but old gun barrels.

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (K1IUD)

40 Sling

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.



Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (fuK7c)

41 sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (fuK7c)

A rifle holderupper.

Der hey!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (SUV+r)

42 Now onto the fun! I went out the range yesterday and burned through a bunch of ammo with wife, Middle Daughter and two of her friends.

Weapons employed: Walther PK380, SigSauer Mosquito, Walther PPQ, HK P2000, DMPS Oracle (Barebones AR-15), and Beretta CX-4 Storm (Carbine).

I also brought my Webley Mk VI and put 12 rounds through it. I'm getting a feel for how the sights line up, and got a tolerable group at 10 yards, though it was low and to the left of center.

The girls started on the PK380 until it ran out of ammo. Results were mixed. We then moved to the PPQ, which performed better, and the Mosquito came into play. I got out the HK but only fired a few rounds through it before everyone decided to give the long weapons a turn.

As it turned out, I ended up using the AR exclusively and everyone else played with the Beretta Storm, which they enjoyed immensely. We were shooting at 25 yards with a seat and rest and it has a red-dot optic, so that helped them build some nice groups.

The AR was a little more finicky because I haven't fully broken it in, but I got decent results. The glass on it is a little low but centered. I think next weekend I'll range it in at 50 yards and see how I do. I don't think it's had more than 100 rounds through it and it's past time for me to put it through the paces.

Tragically, on the way home we did an impromptu canoe ride and everything was lost. On the plus side, I didn't have to clean them.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (cfSRQ)

43 Living in the country, my dad and I and a hunting rifle went to an old gravel pit and did target shooting when I was about 12. I got my first deer when I was 14, with one shot. I remember still being uneasy being a new hunter, with gun shots going off in the woods around me. Probably farmers kept their cows in the barn during the season...

Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (yfOdy)

44 Wow old sock. Definitely not US Navy
Posted by: blaster at June 16, 2019 07:12 PM

Geez, blaster. As penance, start The Corps...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (Vzb0I)

45 Hmm....name?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (Vzb0I)
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It was, um, Italian sounding! The guy at the desk at the museum recommended it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

46 I shot my Spanish FR-8 and Cetme this past week.

They both shoot the 7.62 x 51 NATO, the FR-8 being a converted Mauser bolt and the Cetme being the semi/full auto Nazi gun makers last hurrah for the Spanish.

I zeroed both at 25 yards to see how high at 100 yards they would end up. Per the Ballistics Kackalater, the FR-8, having a sight height of 1.5 inches, was to shoot 2.6 inches high with a 7.62 x 51 mm factory load.

It did. Which made me smile. The Cetme, having a scope and a sight height of 3 inches, was supposed to shoot 7.2 inches high at 100 yards with a 25 yard zero. It did too. Another smile.

Now to take them next week out from 200 to 600 yards and see if the Ballistics Kackalater is spot on again.

The Cetme is a beast though, worst trigger ever and heavy, and I like heavy guns.

As far as Garand Tankers, a fella at the range awhile ago was shooting his but it would not cycle. He asked me what I thought, and I said let's disassemble the rifle and have a looksie. He did not know how to break down his weapon and when I showed him, the rifle was full of cosmoline.

I told him to go home and clean the rifle, then shoot it again.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (Z+IKu)

47 Just returned from putting 20 rounds down range with my Remington Ultimate muzzle loader. Managed 1.5-2.5" 3-shot groups at 100 yards, and 4" at 200. Not too bad, but not great. The loads (275gr. Parker, 140gr. Blackhorn) "chronographed" (Lab Radar) at just under 2100 FPS. I'd like to consistently shoot 3" or better groups at 200 yards from the bench. That'd make a great MN deer load for the shotgun zone. Anyone else own and hunt with a Remington UML?

Posted by: WVinMN at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (pV4s0)

48 Short 45 second vid, firing .500 Nitro Express pistol. When you want that extra measure of protection.

http://tinyurl.com/y2k6hlof

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (U7Mh9)

49 What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (fuK7c)


Barrel shroud.

Posted by: Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (t+qrx)

50
Honest dumb question: are soldiers who served in action in infantry more or less likely to own a gun/rifle after their service? I can see them saying, "Enough of that."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (Wx/+I)

51 Happy fathers day to all. Dad's been gone for over 30 years now. We never had a chance to shoot together which is a shame. My folks liked antiques and he would have enjoyed using traditional muzzleloaders.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (bmdz3)

52 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM (Z+IKu)

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A Garand still with cosmoline? Where did he get it?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (gC2IV)

53 35 I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

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Boomsash?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 07:17 PM (9SkN+)

54 Dad was born legally blind, so we never went shooting or hunting...

besides that, we lived in the middle of the greater LA area and didn't have a car, so there was no way to go do anything like that, even if we had firearms.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:17 PM (KEX6Y)

55 39 Springfield, MA - I did some subdivision work there. One unusual thing was the property corners set in the historic areas are not iron pipe, but old gun barrels.

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (K1IUD)
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Really? That's cool!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

56 Modifying Garands is considered taboo by most people familiar to the rifle. However, Fajen and Bishop used to sell a monte carlo sporter stock for the rifle. A fellow who taught me a lot built one with a birdseye maple stock. He took everthing down to bare metal, polished the hell out of it and had a Weatherby grade deep royal blue done. It was, well, different.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 16, 2019 07:17 PM (C1Lsn)

57 It was, um, Italian sounding! The guy at the desk at the museum recommended it.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:15 PM

*in my best Billy Ray Valentine voice*

Thank you. You've been he'pful.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (Vzb0I)

58 My dad also passed away young ( 55 from military connected disability) and we never shot together but he did buy me a .45 facsimile pellet gun when I was 7 years old and 410 Wingmaster when I was 10 years old and gave me his .38 Special when I was 17. He also either bought or helped me buy motorcycles when I was a preteen and teen. He and my mom definitely not helicopter parents.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 07:19 PM (2DOZq)

59 I couldn't hit shit firing a army 45 pistol. At least I qualified. I was a tanker, so the 45 was all I carried.

Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:19 PM (yfOdy)

60 Springfield, MA - I did some subdivision work there. One unusual thing was the property corners set in the historic areas are not iron pipe, but old gun barrels.

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM

Cool!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:19 PM (Vzb0I)

61 Dad was a champion pistol shooter, 1911, .45 APC. He couldn't afford a competition model so he shot with his service one. He use to take me down to the rock quarry and shoot his pistol. I was too young to shoot it myself. Later in life I took him to the pistol range at Ft. Hood. He could still out shoot me.


He was an imposing figure. He rode in the cavalry, on horse back, for 4 years, 2nd and 7th Cav. I regret to this day that I didn't learn more from him. I was a cock sure self centered ass. He went to war early. The 7th mechanized and formed the 13th ACR, a part of the 1st Armored. He went over on the Queen Mary to Ireland and and fought his way through North Africa and Italy, wounded once. I don't even know how he came back home. Never will.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Sh6Rm)

62 Weapons employed: Walther PK380, SigSauer Mosquito, Walther PPQ, HK P2000, DMPS Oracle (Barebones AR-15), and Beretta CX-4 Storm (Carbine).
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (cfSRQ)


Yeesh, wish you could have come to Lansing last weekend. We'd have had some overlap, though. SIGM400, VP9 Tactical, and a Walther PPS M2. Plus a flintlock longrifle.

Some others as well, but I won't name them as they aren't mine and it's not my place to do so.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (t+qrx)

63 58
Better buy dad bullets for fathers day. Looks like democrat sweep in
latest polls. Democrats serious about banning bullets in declaring
national emergency.

Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (wpP8q)

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Doesn't the Gibson family own your computer yet? Only a matter of time, I suppose...

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (cfSRQ)

64 Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (fuK7c)
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IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE YOU USED THE WORD "SLING" WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION!!!

Posted by: BEN ROTHLISBERGER at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (KEX6Y)

65
Democrats serious about banning bullets in declaring national emergency.

Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (wpP8q)


We know. Except for the bullets to be shot at people who don't surrender their bullets.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Wx/+I)

66 Honest dumb question: are soldiers who served in action in infantry more or less likely to own a gun/rifle after their service? I can see them saying, "Enough of that."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (Wx/+

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I was Marine Infantry from 85-91. Scout Sniper 88-91. I shoot pistols and have several, but I haven't shot a rifle in 28 years. I could still split the peg though.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (gC2IV)

67 As much as I like the standard issue Garand for the history and enjoyable shooting, I have no problem with some modifications. As long as they don't compromise the rifle's good qualities.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (bmdz3)

68 Was at the trap range about 10 days ago; didn't do very well. I wear bifocals and I seemed to keep hitting that fuzzy zone between "near" and "far" when aiming for the clays. What I really need to do is get some dedicated shooting glasses, for distance only.
Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (S6ArX)
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I was having the same problem! The target kept fuzzing in and out.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (kQs4Y)

69 Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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The bad news; as you get older, it will happen more often.

One finds oneself dumbly describing the item/place/person.

Me: "Uh...dammit...that part of the car body underneath the front bumper"

Friend: "You mean the valence panel?"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (KoKdw)

70 53 35 I'm having an I don't speak English moment. What do you call the leather strap that you use to sling a rifle over your shoulder?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

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I think you said it. Sling pad.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (2DOZq)

71 Was at the trap range about 10 days ago; didn't do very well. I wear bifocals and I seemed to keep hitting that fuzzy zone between "near" and "far" when aiming for the clays. What I really need to do is get some dedicated shooting glasses, for distance only.
Posted by: Annalucia
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Heh. Trifocals.

I probably look like a bobble-head doll.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (KoKdw)

72 We know. Except for the bullets to be shot at people who don't surrender their bullets.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Wx/+I)

And the hood rats, who will always have plenty of ammo.

Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (yfOdy)

73 Yeesh, wish you could have come to Lansing last
weekend. We'd have had some overlap, though. SIGM400, VP9 Tactical, and a
Walther PPS M2. Plus a flintlock longrifle.



Some others as well, but I won't name them as they aren't mine and it's not my place to do so.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (t+qrx)

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I was soooo sad I couldn't go. I was utterly miserable at drill. We had a change of command and got to stand in formation for an hour in hot, humid hangar. Then and early wakeup for Rifle Qual on Sunday where I got to spend five hours in the rain trying to figure out just how much oil they put in this rifle.

I guess I made the standard, but the day was pretty joyless. Tell the 'rons I'll likely be out at Rose Lake next weekend as well.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (cfSRQ)

74 I was having the same problem! The target kept fuzzing in and out.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (kQs4Y)


*shoves box of trick clays behind couch with heel*

Huh.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (t+qrx)

75 Pug, I shot one of those once. It just happened to be through my Aunt/Uncles ceiling.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (SDVgT)

76 I was Marine Infantry from 85-91. Scout Sniper 88-91. I shoot pistols and have several, but I haven't shot a rifle in 28 years. I could still split the peg though.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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It's like riding a bicycle.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:24 PM (KoKdw)

77 Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 07:18 PM (wpP8q)
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you sound like a fag and you shit is retarded.

no wonder your father ran away when you were young

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:24 PM (KEX6Y)

78 I have 3 S&W revolvers -

An old K-38 Combat Masterpiece
A 1980's Model 19
A new Model 17 Masterpiece Classic (the old K-22)

Delighted with them all. Fine revolvers, and work flawlessly. Plus, I can reload .38 wadcutters for a third of what new ammo costs.

Posted by: The Neon Madman at June 16, 2019 07:24 PM (KSXRc)

79 no wonder your father ran away when you were young
Posted by: redc1c4

Which one?

Posted by: Miklos, with innocent look on face at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM (QzkSJ)

80 Tell the 'rons I'll likely be out at Rose Lake next weekend as well.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM (cfSRQ)


As in, this coming weekend, or the next time we organize a meet?

Or both?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM (t+qrx)

81 My brother taught me how to shoot

My Dad taught me about boat racing.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:26 PM (SDVgT)

82 An old K-38 Combat Masterpiece
A 1980's Model 19
A new Model 17 Masterpiece Classic (the old K-22)

Delighted with them all. Fine revolvers, and work flawlessly. Plus, I can reload .38 wadcutters for a third of what new ammo costs.

Posted by: The Neon Madman at June 16, 2019 07:24 PM (KSXRc)
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Love the K-38!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

83 My brother taught me how to shoot

My Dad taught me about boat racing.
Posted by: Ben Had

Canoe accident instructor?

Posted by: Miklos, with very innocent look on face at June 16, 2019 07:26 PM (QzkSJ)

84 I shot at clay pigeons at 14 when I went to "Conservation Camp" in De Bruce, NY. I'm sure they don't allow that anymore, probably basket weaving now...Cuomo would never allow it, Biden maybe....

Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (yfOdy)

85 The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)

86 We know. Except for the bullets to be shot at people who don't surrender their bullets.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 07:20 PM (Wx/+I)
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i'll be happy to give such a government as many bullets as are needed to show them the error of their ways.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:28 PM (KEX6Y)

87 Dads and guns:

Dad grew up hunting in rural NH but quit before I was born. I have his rifles. He used to tell me he'd teach my to shoot and we go down to the dump and shoot rats, but we never did.

I think he was just going on memory and didn't wonder whether you could shoot rats at the dump in the places where I grew up.

As he was declining I tried to ask questions about the family lore that would soon be lost. He had made a gun sound when tending Aunt Mary's general store, what was it? He racked a .45. Bad guys left.

So I have a desk he built, his Crown Graphic 4x5 camera, and two Winchesters, .22 and .30/30.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:28 PM (fuK7c)

88 Miklos, the kind that went over the water at 90mph.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:28 PM (SDVgT)

89 That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Yes to shoot steel.

I'm also a member of the local archery club, and our club provides all of the targets, field, 3D and bags. I built and deployed half of the field targets, and help on occasion for 3D tournaments bringing out the "good" targets. In archery, every shot leaves a permanent hole, and our targets are not cheap.

Back to the gun range. So I get out to the 100 yard range, hang a couple and notice a AS500 3/8ths" out by itself the only people on that range are way down at the other end shooting .22s at 25 yards. Cool. Three targets.

Through my second magazine on the Tavor, when this hot-head comes screaming and yelling, making threats and pretty much setting up a Monkey Dance.

Apparently it is not a club target.

Apparently it isn't even his target.

Lesson learned: Don't shoot any targets unless they are yours, or unless specifically invited to shoot that particular target by its owner.

I was told that I "blasted holes" through the target and it was a simple pot-iron target that I now had to pay $200 for - Right Now. Even real large AS500 half inch targets are no where near $200.

Did I mention, it wasn't even his target?

I have been extensively trained in Aikido, Krav Maga, Active Shooter, VIP protection and for the past couple of years been in to boxing - and here is this dude wanting to Monkey Dance at a gun club (not a public range)

So I de-escalated the situation.

Dude was still wanting to stir up some shit even though I'm much bigger.

Still de-escalate.

Wacks the "Range Cold" button that flashes red lights telling everyone the range has been deemed cold - there were still shooters at their station on loaded weapons. Didn't even bother to clear the range before signalling Range Cold

So I warn those active shooters to stop Right Now and move away from the bench while the Hot Head jumps into his truck and drives at high speed across the range down to the 100 yard target. Then drives back at same speed, catching air in his truck just fewer than 20 yards from the firing line.

I was screamed at that shooting another person's target is a "Safety Violation". But apparently declaring a range Cold when shooters are still firing and then driving like a mad man across the range is not a "Safety Violation".

BTW, the target, which was not his, was AS500 3/8ths and only the paint was marred, no "holes blasted through".

By the time all of the drama was finished, we shook hands and decided everything was cool.

Lesson: Shoot ONLY your own targets. NEVER anyone else's, even if invited, because you never know when someone is going to go full sheep dog.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:30 PM (lD3vL)

90 Miklos, the kind that went over the water at 90mph.
Posted by: Ben Had

Oh. I was referring to the numerous tragic boating and canoe accidents that have resulted in the sad loss of firearms to so many.

Posted by: Miklos, sad! at June 16, 2019 07:30 PM (QzkSJ)

91 As in, this coming weekend, or the next time we organize a meet?



Or both?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM (t+qrx)

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Both, so long as it doesn't conflict with drill.

The experience of sucking massively at rifle qual and then the uneven performance of my AR has made me very keen on coming out again when I don't have to ride herd on a bunch of teenage girls.

I'd like some dedicated practice time. Also, I need to correct the sights on a Winchester 94. So this would be a long weapon-focused trip.

Unless of course the Dreyse M1907 comes back from the shop. Then I'll have to make time for it as well.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:30 PM (cfSRQ)

92 I prudently waited until each little Nerada was 8 before taking them to the range for the first time.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 16, 2019 07:31 PM (S6gsw)

93 Happy Father's Day to all the papas out there.

I'm not a dad, but I humbly offer my low cost services to any sexy, beautiful ladies in need of a sperm donor.

Posted by: Robert at June 16, 2019 07:31 PM (j5Tim)

94
Tell the 'rons I'll likely be out at Rose Lake next weekend as well.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:22 PM

As in, this coming weekend, or the next time we organize a meet?

Or both?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:25 PM


I could support such an action

for the children, of course

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 07:31 PM (r3IfA)

95 Only been out with my dad a few times, and been over a year and half now. Should take him to indoor range again.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:32 PM (BbGew)

96 85
The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question
arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)

I was on a competition drill team in collage. Stack arms was often part of the IDR competition program . We used M1 for IRD and chrome 1903's with 16" bayonets for fancy drill. Had a lot of fun.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 16, 2019 07:32 PM (Sh6Rm)

97
The bad news; as you get older, it will happen more often.

One finds oneself dumbly describing the item/place/person.

Me: "Uh...dammit...that part of the car body underneath the front bumper"

Friend: "You mean the valence panel?"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:21 PM (KoKdw)
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it's called "Halfzhrimer's": it's kinda like Alzheimer's, but it only effects you part of the time.

it's also a sign you should drink more, to kill off the week brain cells.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:32 PM (KEX6Y)

98 I could support such an action

for the children, of course
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 07:31 PM (r3IfA)


If it saves just one life.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:33 PM (t+qrx)

99 I once held the record on Range B at Stone Bay. For those who don't know, that's the rifle range at LeJuene. Dropped two points on offhand at 200. I still remember coming off the 500 line after the last white disk came up. I had a big grin, I did. Then they sent me to sniper school which was...interesting.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:33 PM (gC2IV)

100 Miklos, I was sure that was the intent.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:33 PM (SDVgT)

101 The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)
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we did it with M-16s when i went through Harmony Church back in 83, but that was the only place i ever did. not a fing clue as to how it was done these days.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:34 PM (KEX6Y)

102 I have six good hunting rifles hidden away in the house, so when the Ordnungspolizei come, they will probably tear my house apart.

Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:34 PM (yfOdy)

103 Question...I'm not into guns. Nothing against it, just not my thing. But I would like to have one as insurance for SHTF scenarios. I'm moderately comfortable firing them, understand how to respect them, I just don't have time and money(right now) for another hobby. Is there any suggestions as to what one might buy to put away for a rainy day, how to store the ammo, where best to store, etc?

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)

104 101
The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question
arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?



Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)

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Nah, but we did have a method for stacking M-16s. Can't remember it now, though. It was 19 years ago, you know...

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (cfSRQ)

105 85 The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5)

No but I have done pokey drill.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (bgJ0E)

106 Weasel, do you have a trust fund for your arsenal?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:36 PM (SDVgT)

107 Weasel, do you have a trust fund for your arsenal?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:36 PM (SDVgT)
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No, but that's a great idea!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

108 " 39 Springfield, MA - I did some subdivision work there. One unusual thing was the property corners set in the historic areas are not iron pipe, but old gun barrels.

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (K1IUD) "



That is so cool !
I suppose they had a lot of them laying around, after all.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 16, 2019 07:37 PM (a5hgv)

109 My dad didn't teach me to shoot, but made it possible. He was a very end of the war GI and fired his M1 carbine just once, to hear the tale. Something about a water buffalo or a rock or something.
On the other hand, Santa brought us BB guns. Then, after much research in the school liberry, yes, they had these books in school, on .22 rifles and young men, uh, boys, a single shot boltie showed up under the tree when I was 12. Dad took me to the sandpit to make sure I knew which end was the pointy one.
And that, was the beginning of the story.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:37 PM (2+QJR)

110 I strained my right elbow last week. Can't shoot, can't cast a fishing line, have trouble putting in my hearing aids. Not serious, just annoying as hell and takes a couple of weeks to ease up.

I mention this because I have two guns I want, desparately, to try out. The Henry .223 single shot and a Rock Island GI 45 auto.

The Rock Island is a copy of the original 1911. I've read some parts will even interchange. For a budget pistol it seems very well made with tight tolerances compared to the early 1911s. The reviews are very positive, stressing reliability and good accuracy. I haven't had a 1911 for decades and really want to put this baby through its paces. Damn this elbow.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 07:38 PM (bmdz3)

111 When my brother was dying he gave me his 12 ga, shotgun.

I gave it to a young man that will hunt with it for many years and then pass it on to his children.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:38 PM (SDVgT)

112 What is this "range" of which you speak?

My dad took me to a nice gravel pit, with a fistful of pop cans and a lovely Colt revolver. I was seven years old the first time. Twas wonderful.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 16, 2019 07:38 PM (vVOK2)

113 Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:30 PM (lD3vL)
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sounds like someone too stupid and hot headed to be allowed on a range, let alone be in charge of one.

IOW, just a garden variety asshole

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 07:39 PM (KEX6Y)

114 It's an M1 "Tanker" model chambered in .308 Winchester by Arlington Ord.,

Didn't Springfield Armory take the shortened M1 and call it a SOCOM 16 or SOCOM II ?

I picked up one of those and didn't enjoy its heaviness and inaccuracy. It also was fussy about the ammunition.

Then I f'd if all up by converting it into a bull pup. Looks bad ass and is about the size of a Tavor, and the weight of a bowling ball, but has the accuracy of a shotgun.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:39 PM (lD3vL)

115 Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)

If you don't plan on shooting and only want a weapon in case the SHTF, buy a defensive shotgun and various buck shot and Turkey loads. You can store shotgun shells in any air tight containers with a desiccant pack thrown in.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 07:39 PM (2DOZq)

116 Question...I'm not into guns. Nothing against it, just not my thing. But I would like to have one as insurance for SHTF scenarios. I'm moderately comfortable firing them, understand how to respect them, I just don't have time and money(right now) for another hobby. Is there any suggestions as to what one might buy to put away for a rainy day, how to store the ammo, where best to store, etc?

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)
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C'mon - let's help Wtp out here!
OK, I'll start. If it's not something you're going to practice with periodically, a nice simple .38 cal revolver would be a good choice. Point and shoot.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

117 C'mon - let's help Wtp out here!


Oh, I read that and said "yes, officer, that's when the fight started".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:41 PM (fuK7c)

118 I once held the record on Range B at Stone Bay. For those who don't know, that's the rifle range at LeJuene. Dropped two points on offhand at 200. I still remember coming off the 500 line after the last white disk came up. I had a big grin, I did. Then they sent me to sniper school which was...interesting.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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All the more impressive because of the corrections necessary for humidity and mosquitoes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:41 PM (2qPhT)

119 Sling

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.


Thank you. This is for FB. I was going to say sling but then my brain did one of those you're going to fuck this up things.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (fuK7c)


Thankfully I am late to the thread as I was going to go with
"Strap-On"

But now I recall that they are a tool company.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (1g7ch)

120 85 The M1, being the last issue arm with a stack swivel, the question arises, who here has performed by-the-manual Stack Arms drills?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 07:27 PM (U2TY5

Mike, sounds like you and I are same era. Can do. Can also remember complete manual of arms for M 1. Very cool with big heavy rifle.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (2+QJR)

121 Question...I'm not into guns. Nothing against it, just not my thing. But I would like to have one as insurance for SHTF scenarios.
Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM (WQfDg)


There are quite a lot of potential scenarios like that, and they're all different. I wouldn't expect to stash a weapon away just in case and then find that it's suddenly useful though, any more than someone who doesn't exercise or camp could put some hiking shoes and a backpack in the back of the closet and expect to do a week on a trail. If you think you might need to use it, it's best to be comfortable with it before then.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (t+qrx)

122 My dad was born in 1903, when he was about 12 years old he used his dad's muzzle loader shotgun to shoot a rabbit, he told me he put the amount of powder in from a measure and it did not look like enough so me put more in and it knocked him on his butt. Years later I took that old shotgun apart and cleaned it up, it was a percussion sidelock with London Twist barrels and now it leans against my fireplace with a nice stock and re-rust blued barrels. He later shot a lot of rabbits using .22 shots and when I was nine years old he taught me basic gun safety saying never point a gun towards anything you don't want to kill, keep the barrel out of the dirt and don't load until you are ready to shoot and then put your finger in the trigger when you are ready to make the gun go off.

Dad had also told me if you have to hold a gun on some one keep them far away, far enough so you can shoot them if they try to take it away. He encourage me to shoot and by the time I was ten I could use my .22 by myself and at 12 years old I would take off after school with my single shot 12 ga. by myself, different times.

I took my son shooting some when he was a kid and we had fun, I also helped as an assistant Boy Scout leader taking him and others gun safety. Now he competes in three gun and pistol competition Colorado where he lives, some in Utah and a few other states and we still hunt together at least once a year along with my son-in-law and my grandsons who have with us since they could walk. My other son-in-law has more guns than the rest of us and that grand son, soon to be eight is good on a bench with and AR.

We take the time and try to teach them well and pass on on down through generations.

Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (8/hDC)

123 Thx. So shotgun or .38. Hmm...revolver. Nothing, er, mechanized then? Even if kept in original packaging?

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:44 PM (WQfDg)

124 We take the time and try to teach them well and pass on on down through generations.

Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (8/hDC)
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Very nice!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

125 But now I recall that they are a tool company.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (1g7ch)


Isn't it Snap On....A strap on is what Rachel Maddow uses.

Posted by: Colin at June 16, 2019 07:44 PM (yfOdy)

126 Stack arms I performed. One fine day our drill instructors had a little time to kill, and started teaching us Form for Shelter Halves. They were just fucking with us, but it is an actual drill, about 35 or 40 count. Real clusterfuck.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (C1Lsn)

127 C'mon - let's help Wtp out here!

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Agree with Weasel. A .38 revolver won't give you problems. However, I would recommend a trip to the range for at least fam fire.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (gC2IV)

128 So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)

129 Even if kept in original packaging?

Well at some point you have to figure out how to make the cylinder swing out so you can put bullets in it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (fuK7c)

130 Range time...yeah.
Annual quals are coming up and I'm dealing with some issues.
My little M-Forgery was worked on by my best friend and former EMS partner not long after I bought it (titanium firing pin retaining pin and helical-coil gas rings...strictly reliability mods), at the tail end of 2016.
I wanted him to be there when I took it to the range for the first time, and so tried to make plans to take time off and travel to his AO for the "inauguration". This was not strictly for sentimental reasons; I have some years experience carrying handguns on duty but have never owned a rifle bigger than .22 in my life.
Unbeknownst to me, his health was deteriorating faster than he let on, and he passed away with his handiwork still untested.
I know I'm being a sob-sister, but I seem to develop some problems with blurred vision every time I get it out and oil it, and there is literally nobody I trust enough to train me the right way to use and maintain it.

It sucks, but at least I can distract myself by working with my duty pistol for the short term.
...thanks for reading

Posted by: F. Lee Bailout at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (0klD4)

131 123 Thx. So shotgun or .38. Hmm...revolver. Nothing, er, mechanized then? Even if kept in original packaging?

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:44 PM (WQfDg)
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The revolver is simple, and fairly foolproof. You don't want to have anything more complicated sitting in the box for years and be trying to read the instructions on how it works when you need to be shooting.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

132 So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank

I knew that would come out one day.

Posted by: Gunby at June 16, 2019 07:47 PM (QzkSJ)

133 128 So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)
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What's a pokey drill?

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:47 PM (MVjcR)

134
So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM[/i[

is that where you put your right foot in, then take your right foot out...?

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 07:47 PM (r3IfA)

135 Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 07:42 PM (8/hDC)

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I'll just be over here not standing on your lawn. Seriously though, that's a great story.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:48 PM (gC2IV)

136 So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM

We're Morons, but we aren't morons.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 07:49 PM (Vzb0I)

137 sounds like someone too stupid and hot headed to be allowed on a range, let alone be in charge of one.

In fairness, there is a back story. Part of de-escalating is getting them to describe exactly why they are chimping out.

The range regularly hosts fairly big competitions, and a State Steel shooting competition was held recently. He was one of the few guys out there in the hot Texas sun with metal grinders and paint trying to bring back the metal frames that hold all of the targets and get it ready for the competition. Hard Work.

Those things are shot to hell up.

The next day, he returns and discovers that someone must have been sighting in their scope using the metal rails to line up their horizontal and vertical, and the perp blasted a huge hole in the metal rails.

On a previous occasion, they usually send the kids out to collect the targets after a shoot, and kids being kids, didn't bring back the same number that were taken out. Another person discovered the target and must have used something substantial, and of the armor piercing variety to blast the "head off of the chicken" target. Not just dent it, but blast it clean off.

I didn't blast holes in anything, and even when free standing can regularly swing 8" metal without hitting the rails. So I guess he was conflating those garden variety assholes with this asshole.

We all survived and no enemies made.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:49 PM (lD3vL)

138 So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM

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Not looking it up in the Urban Dictionary. Nope.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:50 PM (gC2IV)

139 So nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?

Gumby drill's friend, right?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:50 PM (fuK7c)

140 I'd agree with a .38 revolver but it's hard enough for some one who practices with one to hit the broad side of a barn beyond 10 yards.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (2DOZq)

141 Earliest memory of hunting with Old Pappy Eromero was hunting rabbits with my 12ga double barrel Stevens and a dozen beagles. Later got my first deer and hog with that same shotgun. When I went back on active duty, travels took me away from hunting but I did get to hunt with him a bit in his mid-70's. Sad to say I've hunted more since he passed in 2004 than I ever did when he was alive. I miss him a lot, but my hunting partners for past 25 years are an old Navy buddy from PA and of course Mrs. E.

Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (qBNEP)

142 nobody asks what the hell pokey drill is?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)

Something kiwis do, that aussies would call getting rooted?

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (K1IUD)

143 Any 'ettes members of "A Girl & A Gun" shooting league?

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (UUBmN)

144 Pokey drill is the series of movements performed using That Rifle under direction of a PTI, designed to build upper body strength for bayonet drill and other weapon handling drills. I.E. swinging a SLR around your head, holding out on fingertips and other torture. Twas not fun.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:52 PM (bgJ0E)

145 144 Pokey drill is the series of movements performed using That Rifle under direction of a PTI, designed to build upper body strength for bayonet drill and other weapon handling drills. I.E. swinging a SLR around your head, holding out on fingertips and other torture. Twas not fun.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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Have to say that does sound un-fun!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

146 Each town, city or county has the authority to set "carry policies" for employees. I haven't checked, but I suspect the majority of jurisdictions in VA bar employees from carrying in buildings.

Colleges in Virginia ban students, faculty and staff from carrying on campus and ban everyone from carrying in buildings. So I could walk around campus with a sidearm but I couldn't enter a building on campus while armed. My child could not carry anywhere on campus.

There is obviously much more yet to be disclosed about the Virginia Beach shooting. Kate Nixon KNEW something was likely to happen on that day and debated carrying with her husband the night before. She chose not to carry and was among those murdered.

It will eventually come out but Virginia Beach is in hurry to let the sunshine on their stupidity.

Bad laws and policies make for bad outcomes. Virginia Beach proves this yet again.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at June 16, 2019 07:54 PM (+Kpte)

147 Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:35 PM

As I wrote at top, a revolver is simple and easy to operate

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:54 PM (BbGew)

148
Something kiwis do, that aussies would call getting rooted?
Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 07:51 PM (K1IUD)

Ohh... you are rooted when you finish pokey drill. (We are separated by a common language.)

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 07:54 PM (bgJ0E)

149 " I'd agree with a .38 revolver but it's hard enough for some one who practices with one to hit the broad side of a barn beyond 10 yards."

Well, yeah. I think I asked this question of some other group years ago and that came up. Now whenSHTF I would find a way/place to practice, though also when SHTF I could find myself doing a lot of reloading. Not that anyone really knows how TSHTF when eventually TSDHTF..

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:55 PM (WQfDg)

150 I was once fairly accurate with a .357. Wouldn't that be an option?

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (WQfDg)

151 PSA for those of you coming to TX in Oct.

Don't worry if you don't/can't bring a gun. You will still get plenty of shooting time in.

There will be two ranges .

We will start around noon on the 18th and all day the 19th..

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (SDVgT)

152 My son is taking me to John Wick 3 tonight. Does that count as target practice?

Posted by: Ranger Gord at June 16, 2019 07:57 PM (9YABs)

153 It will eventually come out but Virginia Beach is [not] in hurry to let the sunshine on their stupidity.

Rather, they point to the suppressor and say that it is evil and needs banning.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:57 PM (lD3vL)

154 150 I was once fairly accurate with a .357. Wouldn't that be an option?

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (WQfDg)
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Absolutely. I have a snubby S&W Model 686 that is very concealable.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

155 Don't worry if you don't/can't bring a gun. You will still get plenty of shooting time in.

And I promise to only shoot my own steel targets.

(But anyone else, feel free to blast away as long as you aren't using AP or .50 BMG)

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 07:58 PM (lD3vL)

156 Well, yeah. I think I asked this question of some
other group years ago and that came up. Now whenSHTF I would find a
way/place to practice, though also when SHTF I could find myself doing a
lot of reloading. Not that anyone really knows how TSHTF when
eventually TSDHTF..

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:55 PM (WQfDg)

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Anything you get has to be something you practice with regularly, or it's more of a hazard than a help.

I say that because guns don't just hit the target by magic, so in a bad situation, you might make it worse by thinking you can shoot your way out when in fact you can't.

As a friend of mine (who is a crack shot) once remarked: "Shooting is a perishable skill." You need to practice.

Obviously there are varying levels. If you standard is being able to hit a standard piece of paper at 7 yards, that's less exacting than competition shooting.

But whatever you get, you need to be familiar with it on a regular basis.

Revolvers are nice because they don't have odd levers, releases and such. Easy to clean, easy to use. No safety, no ejecting the magazine by accident. Hence the recommendation. My first handgun was a revolver for that reason.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 07:59 PM (cfSRQ)

157 A Garand still with cosmoline? Where did he get it?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (gC2IV)

I didn't ask. But he was surprised when I showed him why his rifle was a single shot due to the build up.

He seemed embarrassed so I told him not to worry, it happens to everybody now and then.

Best way to learn is to fuck up now and then, unfortunately.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 07:59 PM (Z+IKu)

158 This week's range report:

Went twice. First trip, shot 2 new S&W revolvers. Both .357 Mag, a Model 60 Pro and a Model 686 Pro. I've never shot revolvers before. I was semi-poor using a two-hand grip, and a little better using a single hand. Shooting right to low-right. I need to buy a cheap .22 revolver to work on mechanics using cheaper ammo than .38 Spcl. Or I need to give up on revolvers.

Second trip, took a friend from out-of-town. He said he shoots 9mm Glocks, a compact G(I can't remember) and a G43, at least twice a month. He has only shot Glocks. I let him shoot three of my Sigs, an M17 (9mm), a P226 (.357 Sig), and a 1911 TacOps (.45). He LOVED them. He could not believe how good the trigger pull was on the TacOps (he never shot a 1911 before) and the P226 (in single-action mode). He also said he found the P226 and 1911 more sold (non-flexing) than Glocks. I may have made a convert to Sigs, if his wife lets him buy one.

Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:00 PM (AMIL/)

159 Happy Fathers Day horde dudes!!

Hubbymayhem says fathers day was very downplayed ìn media this yr. Because everyone is supposed to hate men and let women take over the world. I said, "if women take over the world, I will cut a bitch or 3 million. I will shoot them, stab them and blow them right the fuck up! I will only allow intelligent, sensible women who like men to live.. the rest are completely expendable. "

Hubbymayhem likes this plan.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 16, 2019 08:00 PM (myjNJ)

160 And I promise to only shoot my own steel targets.

(But anyone else, feel free to blast away as long as you aren't using AP or .50 BMG)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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Are you gonna bring them on your bike?

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 08:01 PM (UUBmN)

161 Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:00 PM (AMIL/)

Fake news !!!

Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 08:01 PM (2DOZq)

162 I was once fairly accurate with a .357. Wouldn't that be an option?


.357 will seat .38 ammo. Practice with .38 and put .357 in it for when SHTF.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:02 PM (fuK7c)

163 Ben Had, is either side of Waco good choice for lodging? Which is closest to pigcooker's spread?

Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 08:02 PM (qBNEP)

164 Are you gonna bring them on your bike?

I'm thinking RV this time.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (lD3vL)

165 Last weekend I went through an 8 hour CCW qualification course, 4 hours on the range, and this week received my CCW permit in San Diego CA. Started the process in January.

Posted by: motionview at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (pYQR/)

166 150
I was once fairly accurate with a .357. Wouldn't that be an option?

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 07:56 PM (WQfDg)

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Sure, but more specifics are needed. What range were you shooting at? How big was your group? How long was the barrel? Were you actually using magnum rounds?

Firearms are tools, each specialized for a specific function. Thus, when people say "what should I get?" I always have to ask "what do you want to do with it?"

That's why collections grow almost of their own accord. The more you know about shooting, the more you understand how a particular weapon is even better at doing that one thing than the one you have right now. So you try to close the gaps, only to realize that your knowledge has made you aware of gaps you never knew existed.

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)

167 You know Die Hard is old when he lights a smoke in the airport.

Gun related.

Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (xzK3J)

168 Every once in a while troubles will crop up on a rifle. My XT-22 Marlin is having one of those periods. Normally this is about a 2 to 2.5 moa rifle at 100 yards. Now for reasons I haven't been able to diagnose it is shooting about 7 moa at that distance. I have three possible explanations.

1. I have shot the barrel out. (I don't believe that. .22s are such low velocity and low pressure rounds it would be really hard to burn up a barrel. Looking down the bore everything looks bright and shiny.)
2. The scope mount has worked loose, and the scope needs remounted. I have had that kind of problem before.3. The scope is broken (Scope is rated for a 50BMG recoil, pretty hard to believe I broke it with a .22 lr's recoil.)
As you may be able to tell I am leaning toward problem #2.

Posted by: An Observation at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (mBISV)

169 Wtp, Weasel is correct. A 38 special revolver is the way to go. Many people add a 12 or 20 ga. pump shotgun.

But having the firearms is only part of the story. You need to practice to become familiar with the guns, especially double action shooting with the revolver. You also have to give serious thought to being able to use firearms in a deadly situation.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (bmdz3)

170 Well as I said, when the time comes, I can practice. I just want to already have something stored away until then, just incase creeping gun bans seep in.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (WQfDg)

171 152 My son is taking me to John Wick 3 tonight. Does that count as target practice?
Posted by: Ranger Gord at June 16, 2019 07:57 PM (9YABs)

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Only if you shoot at the screen.

Booohooohooo hoo, Blue Hawaii...

Posted by: Zombie Elvis Presley at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (9SkN+)

172 Revolvers are nice"

Until it's time to not be nice. Or something.

Either way, followed linkages to that new Model 19...

*Fans self*

*starts cipher'n bank account*

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (6qErC)

173 Eromero, you are good here in Corsicana if you just make a reservation soon.

Pigcooker is actually closer to you than I am.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (SDVgT)

174 I've never shot revolvers before. I was semi-poor using a two-hand grip, and a little better using a single hand. Shooting right to low-right. I need to buy a cheap .22 revolver to work on mechanics using cheaper ammo than .38 Spcl.
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Ruger Single Six, or similar.
https://tinyurl.com/yyoe7pw2

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:05 PM (K1IUD)

175 Just found out my dad is having chainsaw problems, he bought another while first one is being fixed.
I don't give up that easy.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (BbGew)

176
Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)

*Manic laugh* This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)

177 Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)

*Manic laugh* This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.


Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)
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Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

178 Ruger Single Six, or similar. "

Amen.

Have that, plus a couple of other "cowboy" style revolvers, and usually carry Ruger LCR...

I like revolvers.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (6qErC)

179 I took my son shooting in the back woods of our old home when he was 12 or so for the first time. He was hesitant so I started him off with a little 38 special that I had bought for home protection. Damned if the thing didn't jump nearly out of his hand when he fired it at a tree stump and almost hit him in the face. That was it for him. He has never held a gun in his hands again which is probably just as well.

Posted by: Henry Rearden at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (7fC1w)

180 So you try to close the gaps, only to realize that your knowledge has made you aware of gaps you never knew existed.

And then you get to where the gaps don't matter, and with adequate training and waiting for the right conditions you can neck down what your EDC should look like.

There is a lot to say good about many commodity guns out there today. Manufacturers have done a great job, but still, despite all of the "better" platforms, I keep returning to that stupid little Grand Power 9mm. It isn't great at anything, but does everything good enough.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (lD3vL)

181 170
Well as I said, when the time comes, I can practice. I just want to
already have something stored away until then, just incase creeping gun
bans seep in.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (WQfDg)

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Nope, doesn't work that way. If the "time comes" you won't be able to practice because the ranges will be closed and ammo will be banned.

Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (cfSRQ)

182 My brother taught me how to shoot

My Dad taught me about boat racing.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:26 PM (SDVgT)

Any progress on the chainsaw front?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (WG6O9)

183 And oh yeah, I shot this past week, a G20 10MM, a G19 (my usual carry), and a FrankenAR w/20 inch Wylde upper on Scorpion lower. The AR was very accurate with just MagPul popup iron sights and no optics.

Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (qBNEP)

184 Just found out my dad is having chainsaw problems, he bought another while first one is being fixed.

Which reminds me, I need to fix the fuel lines on both my chainsaws.

Death by Ethanol.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (lD3vL)

185 Ruger Single Six, or similar.
https://tinyurl.com/yyoe7pw2

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:05 PM (K1IUD)

Thanks for the recommendation. I've been thinking of going that route instead of the more expensive S&W .22 revolver route.

Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (AMIL/)

186 176
Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:03 PM (cfSRQ)

*Manic laugh* This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)

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It's much cooler when spoken with the NZ accent.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (gC2IV)

187 Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (cfSRQ)

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Sadly, this.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 08:10 PM (9SkN+)

188 And oh yeah, I shot this past week, a G20 10MM,

[ fist bump ]

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:10 PM (lD3vL)

189 Death by Ethanol."

Hush. Don't you know that's OK?

Oh, wait. Only for engines built to handle it...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:10 PM (6qErC)

190 Browning Hi Power stamped...

Browning Arms Co Morgan Utah & Montreal F.O.

Junk compared to Belgium Browning or still well made?
Guy is asking 800, firm.

Also is CZ75 compact 9mm. $525.

Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 08:11 PM (ubFZv)

191 I checked Baylor's schedule - Oct. 19, Baylor is playing Ok State in Stillwater, so hotels in Waco and vicinity should be fairly open.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (V2Yro)

192 179
I took my son shooting in the back woods of our old home when he was 12
or so for the first time. He was hesitant so I started him off with a
little 38 special that I had bought for home protection. Damned if the
thing didn't jump nearly out of his hand when he fired it at a tree
stump and almost hit him in the face. That was it for him. He has never
held a gun in his hands again which is probably just as well.

Posted by: Henry Rearden at June 16, 2019 08:08 PM (7fC1w)

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This is why I didn't let my daughters fire handguns until they had shot a long weapon first. A nice supported .22 rifle is perfect for getting kids used to recoil and what happens when things go bang.

Handguns come later, and always start with the number 22.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (cfSRQ)

193 Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be.

Problem is, there are no public or club ranges that will permit you to practice in a way that is anywhere compatible with real-life in WOROL.

Maybe paintball or IPSC/IDPA shoots.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (lD3vL)

194 I've been thinking of going that route instead of the more expensive S&W .22 revolver route."

FWIW, take a look at "used" sales at your local range or stores - .22 revolvers seem to reappear w/light use and often remarkably low prices.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (6qErC)

195 Happy Father's Day, 'Ron's.

It's almost the 12th (!) anniversary of my father's death, and I still miss him.

I grew up in Nigeria, so he didn't take us to the gun range.

But armed robbers came to our house one night when I was 16, terrorized some of us a bit and then locked us in the bathroom while they ransacked my parents bathroom (thank God for protecting us from physical harm and that somehow, they didn't take their valuable passports - they were to travel overseas soon after that).

Within a short time, my dad got a bunch of rifles or shotguns (don't know which just that they had long barrels) and would distribute them every night to the male staff on the property.

Note that my dad was about 63 at this time, retired in his dream house after a long distinguished career in the diplomatic service and after that, public service. He had lived quite a cushy life up till then and this kind of thing was entirely foreign to him. (Remember that it's a different culture from the US.)

But protecting his family was foremost in his mind and he was ready to do whatever it took. Just like the other dads in the neighborhood who also got firearms to protect their family and neighbors. (At the time, it was a relatively remote area where people had just started building houses, so we were a great target for armed robbers, like much of the rest of the state, but not where we had just moved from which was very safe.)

Thank you to good dads everywhere who lovingly protect their families from danger. Good husbands and fathers are so important and should be put on a pedestal just like mothers.

I love you, Daddy.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (9hauA)

196 It's much cooler when spoken with the NZ accent.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (gC2IV)

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Kiwi accents rule. In the early days of the internet when bosses didn't care what you did, I used to tune into a Wellington radio station and just listen to the morning traffic and weather. It was cool.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (cfSRQ)

197
Hogmartin, did you get the flintlock cleared out? How do you knock the ball out of it when that happens?

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (r3IfA)

198 The first gun I shot, when I was abt 6, was a 22 rifle single shot that broke open in the middle where you put another round in.

God I loved that thing and wondered why anyone would need more than that.

Posted by: Tu abuela tambien at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (efMXe)

199 "Nope, doesn't work that way. If the "time comes" you won't be able to practice because the ranges will be closed and ammo will be banned.

Seriously, if that's your thought process, you need to be fully trained before "then," which is to say, practicing regularly since you don't know when "then" will be."

See, now this is the crap. You don't know me, you don't know where I live, but most importantly you don't know the future. There are a bajillion scenarios where having a gun is better than not having a gun, regardless of training, because there will be plenty of time, and there are plenty of places, to practice.. And TBC, I'm not snubbing training. Just saying this absolitism is a distraction from the questions that I have.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (WQfDg)

200 Dads and shooting: I was into guns, my dad was not.

Buddies and I grew up shooting ground squirrels with a 22 rifle.

My son and I used to shoot together, but, he no longer lives near me, so, no longer.

Anyway, great thread, as usual, weasel.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 16, 2019 08:15 PM (WEBkv)

201 Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (9hauA)
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Great story, chique! Thanks for sharing and welcome to the gun thread!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

202 Anyone looking for a 22 revolver should check out the Heritage Rough Rider or the new Ruger Wrangler. Both single action 22lr with fixed sights. They are both available for under $200.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:16 PM (bmdz3)

203 Oh yeah, it was dad's gun and we left all them at the desert cabin but assholes broke in be and stole e be erythinf.

Posted by: Tu abuela tambien at June 16, 2019 08:16 PM (efMXe)

204 Advocatus Diavoli: wtp asked us what to have in case SHTF.

He means to have. Y'all are yelling at him about how he has to become proficient first.

I'm thinking when SHTF you either have or do not have, you will not be able to acquire. So he deserves answers of to have.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:16 PM (fuK7c)

205 since you don't know when "then" will be.

That is a bit more complicated that one would imagine.

How long does WOROL take place?

So lets say that things go sideways and the zombies have discovered your prepper stash and decide to socialize it among themselves.

Once they breech the doorway, game over. Your security broken. You are dead. So you lay down a perimeter and decide that nothing crosses it. Then you start stacking bodies like cord wood.

Then after a week WOROL is over and there is some semblance of order. You are now deemed a mass murderer and you are dead.

Lets say that ROL never returns and it is Thunderdome as far as the eye can see. How do you know?

The problem is, you don't know how long the Zombie Apocalypse will last, short and you go to prison if you plan short and it goes long, you will never know because you are dead.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:17 PM (lD3vL)

206 Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 16, 2019 08:15 PM (WEBkv)
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Why thank you, blake.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

207 Problem is, there are no public or club ranges that
will permit you to practice in a way that is anywhere compatible with
real-life in WOROL.



Maybe paintball or IPSC/IDPA shoots.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:12 PM (lD3vL)

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Disagree. I know of gun shops that offer what they call "advanced training" by retired cops. I mean to do it, but my schedule is rather cluttered. "Maybe next year," I sigh.

But in the meantime, I can at least know how things work and how to hit the target in controlled conditions - knowing they'll be worse if things get hot.

I just wish the damn canoes would stop tipping over! Just when I learn to use something, plop! Down to the bottom of the river it goes.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:17 PM (cfSRQ)

208
***envisions a Rube Goldberg device incorporating WD-40, an air compressor, half a pound of Velveeta, a pair or tweezers, and a 40W Marshall tube amp***

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:17 PM (r3IfA)

209 Hogmartin, did you get the flintlock cleared out? How do you knock the ball out of it when that happens?
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (r3IfA)


BORE WORMS

No really, it's a bit that attaches to the end of the rammer instead of the cleaning jag, that looks like a wood screw. You keep turning it into the ball until you either get it seated firmly and you can draw the ball back out, or you've removed enough lead from the center of the ball that it deforms more easily. It takes about ten or fifteen minutes.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:18 PM (t+qrx)

210 61 Dad was a champion pistol shooter

Lovely story, thank you.

Posted by: Chris at June 16, 2019 08:19 PM (bx9W6)

211 Thanks, Ben Had. Mrs. E can go ahead and make arrangements. Same setup on chow as before?

Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 08:19 PM (qBNEP)

212 Bingo, Bandersnatch...God, it's this way with fishermen, triathletes, cooks, any number of expertise stuff. Plenty of idiots posess guns and use them somewhat usefully without being "proficient". I should expect to have time to become reasonably proficient. I just don't want to be standing around with my dick in my hand if they ban personal firearms.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (WQfDg)

213 204 Advocatus Diavoli: wtp asked us what to have in case SHTF.

He means to have. Y'all are yelling at him about how he has to become proficient first.

I'm thinking when SHTF you either have or do not have, you will not be able to acquire. So he deserves answers of to have.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:16 PM (fuK7c)

That's why I recommended shotgun.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (2DOZq)

214 Also should have said, "nice post, because it was."

Love the looks of the Tanker Garand.

Who taught me to shoot?

That little booklet that came with my Daisy 1894 Spittin Image I got for Christmas in 5th grade.
In Jr High I was shooting locusts out of trees, through the wings, to keep them alive for fish bait.

In basic, outshot everyone in my company,,, and the other 5 that graduated the same day. Loved that M-16, though I did sight it in with a bit different sight pic than they told us to.
Yeah, I'm one of "those."

Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (ubFZv)

215 I'm thinking when SHTF you either have or do not have, you will not be able to acquire. So he deserves answers of to have.

LOTS of AR-15s and LOTS of Glocks or Commodity Guns.

Why?

Because you will need to arm your neighbors and have a common ammo and magazine.

No person can defend their property on their own - you have to sleep sometime and very few people can handle the stress of being at Condition Orange all the time.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (lD3vL)

216 No one has mentioned to Wtp, the importance and value of dry-firing practice?


Sad!


Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 08:21 PM (Sr57E)

217
It takes about ten or fifteen minutes.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:18 PM


so, no velveeta "cheese" nor a Marshall stack amp?

pity

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:22 PM (r3IfA)

218 He has never held a gun in his hands again which is probably just as well.
Posted by: Henry Rearden

Training people , especially young people in firearms is a process. Center-fire handguns are the last stage in the process. Were-ever possible it should go something like this.
Prone - single shot .22 rifle until competent/confident then kneeling/sitting then standing supported then offhand. Again until competent/confident .
Then a repeating .22 rifle - do it all over again from the start until competent/confident.

If happy, progress to a .222/.223 caliber bolt action , repeat all positions. Then move to a AR .223. Lots of repeats for this.
Progress to a .308 bolt then a .308 semi. Stop.
A year later after training on all rifles and positions regularly as mentioned, then think about other systems and maybe, just maybe pistolas. No full auto, no mag dumps just plain old, controlled, aimed fire.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)

219 Plenty of idiots posess guns and use them somewhat usefully without being "proficient".

There are all kinds of stories where a guy just stands there with a "tactical" and the zombies retreat because its common street knowledge that a rifle beats a Saturday Night Special.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:22 PM (lD3vL)

220 so, no velveeta "cheese" nor a Marshall stack amp?

pity
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:22 PM (r3IfA)


Worse, it's actually called a ball or bullet puller. I just wanted to say 'bore worms'.

Sorry.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (t+qrx)

221 See, now this is the crap. You don't know me, you
don't know where I live, but most importantly you don't know the future.
There are a bajillion scenarios where having a gun is better than not
having a gun, regardless of training, because there will be plenty of
time, and there are plenty of places, to practice.. And TBC, I'm not
snubbing training. Just saying this absolitism is a distraction from
the questions that I have.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:14 PM (WQfDg)

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No, I don't know you, so I can only go off of the information I have.

Perhaps this analogy will clarify things. Let us say I usually take the bus around town. I don't have a car or a bike, because the bus is very convenient.

But I worry about rising civil disorder, and I'm not really close to things. So I think about getting a bike or a car in case the bus doesn't work.

Then I ask people, which I should have on hand, just in case. I don't intend to use it until then, just keep it in reserve.

But if I don't know how to drive or ride, what good will it do me?

Do you see my point?

Firearms break, sometimes in big ways, sometimes in small ones. If you don't know the weapon, it could be a fatal oversight.

The best solution (which is what we are trying to find) is something that is easy to use, affordable, and requires minimal practice and knowledge.

Hence, a revolver.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (cfSRQ)

222 Thanks for the recommendation. I've been thinking of going that route instead of the more expensive S&W .22 revolver route.

Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:09 PM (AMIL/)

Any time I want to relearn the basics, and humble myself in the process, I pick up the old single action.

A hint for consistency: Grip the gun comfortably with one hand (right, most likely).
DO NOT VARY THAT GRIP, through the process of cocking with LEFT HAND,
DO NOT VARY the grip while aim/fire, and
DO NOT VARY the grip when cocking again with LEFT HAND.
DO NOT VARY the grip for the next shot, etc.
DO NOT VARY the grip.

Consistency will improve.

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (K1IUD)

223 Don't overlook dry firing for your training needs.

Yes, it's boring, repetitive and no big boom at the end, but it gives you time with your weapon for familiarization and reloading drills, sight and sight picture as well as trigger feel and weight.

Most expert shooters spend more time dry firing than at a live fire range. 10-15 minutes a day for a week in your home and you will learn things you miss at the range.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (Z+IKu)

224 got to the range twice this week.

Monday, shot the S&W vic. Very happy with the devastion inflicted upon the targets.

Friday took out the M&P 15 II. Ripped up a target at 55 yards pretty good. I really want a scope.

Any advice on a Quick Release mount that's not expensive?

Posted by: ArthurK at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (KB7lj)

225 envisions a Rube Goldberg device incorporating WD-40, an air compressor, half a pound of Velveeta, a pair or tweezers, and a 40W Marshall tube amp"

Throw in a case of beer and it sounds like a good weekend...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:24 PM (6qErC)

226 Bingo again, bbf. Brandashing a weapon in most cases is a bad idea but in many, many cases, brandashing a weapon is still a better early on tactic than firing one. Hard to do though with nothing but a banana in your pocket.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:25 PM (WQfDg)

227 Best gun I've ever held (never fired, by the time I was allowed to hold it, grandpa thought it was too fragile to fire anymore) was a Kentucky Long Rifle, carried by an ancestor of mine named Hardin Safford in the French and Indian War. Beautiful tiger striped wood in the stock - I was already 6' when I was 18, and I recall when I placed the stock on the ground, I would have to lift up my chin to rest it on the barrel. (that was just to measure how long it was, nothing more nefarious) About 100 years ago or more, it got converted to a cap and ball, but Grandpa remembered hunting squirrels with it when he was a kid.

I was kinda mad when Grandpa left it to an uncle by marriage when he passed (all of his kids were daughters who didn't care much for guns) BUT Uncle later donated it to a museum, which is really where it needed to be. So can't be mad about that - it was a privilege just to be able to hold it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 08:25 PM (V2Yro)

228 Any advice on a Quick Release mount that's not expensive?
Posted by: ArthurK at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (KB7lj)


I have a Primary Arms Deluxe on mine. $60.

It probably isn't the classiest mount, but it hasn't fallen off yet.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (t+qrx)

229 Disagree. I know of gun shops that offer what they call "advanced training" by retired cops.

Are you regularly pieing the building, shooting at obscured targets while running for cover in low to no light situations. Are you firing while crawling, or on your back, or on your side shooting under tables, beds, with the weak hand, etc.?

Does your range allow you to live fire weapon transitions on the move?

How about point-blank shooting exercises where you are palm-heeling a target in the face while pumping rounds in to their abdomen?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (lD3vL)

230
Any advice on a Quick Release mount that's not expensive?
Posted by: ArthurK at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (KB7lj)

Spend the money. I was cheap and used junk. No more. Sphur, A.R.M.S or nothing else.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:27 PM (bgJ0E)

231 Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 08:25 PM (V2Yro)
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That's a cool story! Thanks Tom Servo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:27 PM (MVjcR)

232 212
Bingo, Bandersnatch...God, it's this way with fishermen, triathletes,
cooks, any number of expertise stuff. Plenty of idiots posess guns and
use them somewhat usefully without being "proficient". I should expect
to have time to become reasonably proficient. I just don't want to be
standing around with my dick in my hand if they ban personal firearms.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:20 PM (WQfDg)

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Ah, a definitional problem, perhaps?

To me, "proficient" means simply "not a danger to yourself or others."

I remarked before that if you can hit a piece of paper 7 yards away, that's often good enough. No need to be a SOCOM expert here.

A further question is whether it is for home use exclusively, or personal defense. I'm a big fan of shotguns, but here also you need to be able to control (and clean!) whatever you get.

I fall back on the car/bike analogy. Ownership often comes with ancillary items, like tire gauges, air pumps, etc. So you'll also need a cleaning kit and an idea of how to use it.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (cfSRQ)

233 Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (9hauA)

234 Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)

235 You'll shoot your eye out.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 08:29 PM (Sr57E)

236 Are you regularly pieing the building,
shooting at obscured targets while running for cover in low to no light
situations. Are you firing while crawling, or on your back, or on your
side shooting under tables, beds, with the weak hand, etc.?



Does your range allow you to live fire weapon transitions on the move?



How about point-blank shooting exercises where you are palm-heeling a
target in the face while pumping rounds in to their abdomen?





Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (lD3vL)

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You are the most relentlessly optimistic poster I've ever met at AoSHQ.

Seriously, the upbeat tone of your prose has me grinning from ear to ear.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:30 PM (cfSRQ)

237 Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.


Dude, in the middle of the noise you got two practical suggestions. Revolver or pump shotgun.

Go forth and acquire.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:30 PM (fuK7c)

238
How about point-blank shooting exercises where you are palm-heeling a
target in the face while pumping rounds in to their abdomen?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:26 PM (lD3vL)


Just fire 2 shotgun rds through the front door.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:31 PM (bgJ0E)

239 Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)
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Well feel free to stick around. It's kind of a complex question without a really simple, single answer. All things considered, I'd suggest a revolver. Good luck!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

240 To me, "proficient" means simply "not a danger to yourself or others."

An excellent summary.

I can load, fire, disassemble, clean, and reassemble every firearm at casa mouse, and that's fine with me. YMMV.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:32 PM (6qErC)

241 Man the Velveeta cannon, Mr. French!

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at June 16, 2019 08:33 PM (EgshT)

242 Oh, that I got and thanks. Just didn't need the whole 9 yards you'll shoot your eye out bit.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:33 PM (WQfDg)

243 Our father taught us all to shot but never hunted. He said he'd killed enough in Europe in WWII. He was a hard person - when we boys would go hunting, if the limit was 3, he gave us 3 shells and expected us to bring home 3 birds. Growing up in the rural midwest in the '50s, food on the table sometimes was what we brought home. He died over 40 years ago and he is still missed. Heck of a guy. I hope my son thinks of me the same.

Posted by: oldgeezer at June 16, 2019 08:33 PM (Wb5vb)

244 I have no dog in this hunt but home defense is about demobilization.

A shotgun gun increases those odds in a panic situation.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 08:34 PM (SDVgT)

245 Dad served in WWII. He was a 1st Lieutenant with the 813th Tank Destroyer Battalion. He brought back a FB Radom Vis 35 that he got off a guy that got it off a German prisoner. To my knowledge he never shot it here in the US. We have taken it to the range and it works pretty well. Mr. L says it has the nicest trigger pull of any gun he has ever shot. It looks pretty rough, probably because it was made at the end of the war when they must have been cranking the weapons out.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at June 16, 2019 08:34 PM (Vf4Y7)

246 I had to replace the gas lines on my Craftsman chainsaw last year.
Keeping these chainsaw bayonets operating is a lot of work.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:34 PM (BbGew)

247 234
Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)

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What's wrong with the revolver/shotgun combo? Get one of each. You can get second-hand copies of both super-cheap.

The point is simply that practice makes you better. No one's demanding that you do anything, just giving the best advice we can.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:35 PM (cfSRQ)

248 Of the things I mentioned above that would not only get your forcibly removed from the range, but also permanently banned - much of this can be found in private lessons.

Practice can and should happen at home with LED reactive targets that use your own firearm to hold the laser gizmo.

The best gun for this is the Taurus PT 24/7 OSS DS that has a "double striker" feature so that you don't have to tap-rack and roll to set up the next one. (just keep pulling the trigger and the striker keeps hitting the lazer gizmo)

You can then go Rambo around the house any time you want. You just don't get the deafening noise and the muzzle blast.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (lD3vL)

249 The Old Man didn't teach me to shoot (he was career Navy and was kind of meh of the subject of firearms after nearly getting killed in combat in Vietnam), but my Uncle Jerry did. When I was about 12, he started me out with a .22 rifle shooting down the hill behind his house with "Mud Lane" as a back-stop. Did I mention that Uncle Jerry was a gen--oo--wine hillbilly?

After I got proficient with the .22, he asked if I wanted to shoot "a real gun" and I, of course, said yes. He unlimbers a .58cal muzzle-loader. When I pull the trigger, the recoil knocked me on by ass. Uncle Jerry laughed like a maniac.

Later in the 1980s, the Old Man got an interest in WWII firearms and bought a Garand, an M-1 carbine and a 1911. We went shooting a fair amount at a local range until the arthritis got too bad in his hands.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (5Yee7)

250 244 I have no dog in this hunt but home defense is about demobilization.

A shotgun gun increases those odds in a panic situation.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 08:34 PM (SDVgT)
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Sure, but in his hypothetical SHTF scenario, I thought concealment might be a factor, too. Hence, revolver.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

251
Junk compared to Belgium Browning or still well made?
Guy is asking 800, firm.
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they aren't making them anymore, so prices are only going to go up.

if you want it, get it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (KEX6Y)

252 You are never to old to learn. At 74 years old I am still decent with a shotgun, shot skeet for years and still do to tune up for dove season in Texas. I am all right with a rifle shooting deer and a few other critters but I sucked with a pistol. Three years ago I started shooting Steel Challenge with a .22 pistol at our local .22 only range. We run about 120 rounds with a pistol and another 80 with rifle on the first Saturday of every month.

My goal at my age was not to come out last and I have slowly moved up to the middle and we do have some long time good shooters who leave me in the dust. Last time out a new guy showed up with a fantastic .22 W&W and only one magazine so I helped him reload and he never missed but he was a bit slow. Long story short he lives about a long block from me so we had coffee at my house early last week and he told me that he was a Texas Highway patrolman in the 1970s and on a team that took Nationals during his last years.

We went out to the Bander gun range two days ago and he taught me more, I read a lot and have had some help but in one hour I learned so damn much about what I was doing wrong with over 50 years of bad pistol shooting and he was patient and matter of fact without playing drill instructor. Of course the fact that he took his old Trooper Colt .357 shooting .38 specials and while I was all over my target at 7 yards he was drilling holes in the center of the little man in the upper left corner of the target shooting double action.

The moral to my story is if you suck try to find a nice person and asked for help.

Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (8/hDC)

253 So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)

254 As for chainsaws, go electric. Much lighter and easier to weild and will make short work of zombies even as big as Saquile Oniel. Provided you keep them tuned, sharp, and clean of course.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:38 PM (WQfDg)

255 This week's range report:



Went twice. First trip, shot 2 new SW revolvers. Both .357
Mag, a Model 60 Pro and a Model 686 Pro. I've never shot revolvers
before. I was semi-poor using a two-hand grip, and a little better
using a single hand. Shooting right to low-right. I need to buy a
cheap .22 revolver to work on mechanics using cheaper ammo than .38
Spcl. Or I need to give up on revolvers.

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A gunsmith told me to put a pencil in the barrel and put the pencil against a wall with paper. Then pull and pull until there is a very small movement of the line made by the pencil. Some people pull quick, some pull long. Find what works for YOU. SA with the light trigger pull keeps it on target.Do the drill above with DA. DA made me pull all the shots down and to the right.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 16, 2019 08:38 PM (pw+jk)

256 Never mind. F it. I'll be here all night at this rate.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:28 PM (WQfDg)
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no, that;s what the ONT is for...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (KEX6Y)

257 242
Oh, that I got and thanks. Just didn't need the whole 9 yards you'll shoot your eye out bit.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:33 PM (WQfDg)

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Well, I certainly didn't say that.

Practice is helpful and also fun! Not knowing where you are, maybe that's illegal or something. But getting to know your equipment is always a good thing, that's all.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (cfSRQ)

258 253 So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)
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Birdshot.

But the last round should be a slug, just for good luck.

Posted by: Bob Seger at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (9SkN+)

259 I think the only practice local urban yutes get is from shooting at streetlights, signs, random cars, and other local urban yutes.

Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (UdKB7)

260 Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:38 PM (WQfDg)
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until there is no electricity, of course...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (KEX6Y)

261 A hypothetical for the more experienced:

I would normally carry a rifle (in a soft case) in my vehicle, if I had one, but it needs to be moved often due to folks getting into the back seat sometimes. If that would happen, I would need to move the rifle from the second seat into the third seat area - I have an SUV.

It's a hassle and further, folks see me move the soft case around and I would prefer they don't.

Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement? The rife and case live in the vehicle. The home has it's own armament and, except for cleaning, the rifle doesn't come into the house.

Thanks

Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (Y4EXg)

262 So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?


A blunderbuss loaded with Twinkies.

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (EgshT)

263 You think there will be reliable electricity when the zombie times come? Will you be able to siphon a gallon of electricity from the abandoned cars of zombie victims?

Internal combustion FTW.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (fuK7c)

264 So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads? "

Husqvarna 455...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (6qErC)

265 Get a 38 wtp. Just learn how it works and put it away if you want. Something is better than nothing.

Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:41 PM (UdKB7)

266 A blunderbuss loaded with Twinkies.


Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (EgshT)
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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

267 Ruger Single Six, or similar.
https://tinyurl.com/yyoe7pw2

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:05 PM (K1IUD)


I love the trigger pull on my Ruger Single Six. The revolver is rather heavy for a .22 handgun but will drive tacks if you fire it from a sandbag. Mrs. Cop likes it, too.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 16, 2019 08:41 PM (5Yee7)

268 253
So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?



Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)

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Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (cfSRQ)

269 Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement?

Bullpup (e.g. Tavor, Seyr, Desertech) . Tennis racquet case.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (lD3vL)

270
Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement? The rife and case live in the vehicle. The home has it's own armament and, except for cleaning, the rifle doesn't come into the house.

Thanks
Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (Y4EXg)

What is the rifle and what are you using it for?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (bgJ0E)

271 I would need to move the rifle from the second seat into the third seat area - I have an SUV."

Often have a .22 Marlin lever in a soft case. Sewed several Velcro strips and it hangs nicely on the 2nd row seabacks, out of sight...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (6qErC)

272 If you are unfamiliar with firearms, not willing to participate in any training and want one for end times then get a short barrel rifle that can fire a bunch of rounds in a short period of time and stock up on magazines. And keep them full.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 16, 2019 08:42 PM (xVXP1)

273 "until there is no electricity, of course... "

I have my wife on the bike hooked up to a generator right now, in fact...

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:43 PM (WQfDg)

274 Sure, but in his hypothetical SHTF scenario, I thought concealment might be a factor, too. Hence, revolver.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)


Honestly, with what we have to go on, disabling vehicles could be a factor as far as I know. I refuse to feel bad about an unsatisfactory answer to "I don't use x what's the best x to get".

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:43 PM (t+qrx)

275 You think there will be reliable electricity when the zombie times come? Will you be able to siphon a gallon of electricity from the abandoned cars of zombie victims?

Is it possible to siphon a tank since the 1990s? I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature.

Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank and capture the fuel as it pours out of the bottom.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)

276 252 ... "You are never to old to learn. At 74 years old I am still decent with a shotgun, shot skeet for years and still do to tune up for dove season in Texas. I am all right with a rifle shooting deer and a few other critters but I sucked with a pistol. Three years ago I started shooting Steel Challenge with a .22 pistol at our local .22 only range. We run about 120 rounds with a pistol and another 80 with rifle on the first Saturday of every month."

OldTexan, I love your attitude. That's why I've gotten interested in longer range shooting, which for me means out to 300 yards. New challenges slow aging. (I hope.)

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (bmdz3)

277 Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank and capture the fuel as it pours out of the bottom.


Well, good. Now this is turning into a practical zombie thread.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 08:45 PM (fuK7c)

278 sigh

this is one of the reasons I can only play three chords, poorly

BBL

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 08:46 PM (r3IfA)

279 My dad was always afraid of guns.

I wish I'd had a father who had been willing to teach me or who just shared any of my interests.

And on that cheerful note, longish range report follows

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:46 PM (xJa6I)

280 Bandersnatch @ 237- That right there is some good advice. Always start with the shotgun and revolver because the darn things work. In 'somebody's' bedroom you may find a 12ga Mossberg 590T, an AK, SandW Gov, 2 Ruger .357's, 1 SandW .38, and whatever Glock was carried today.

Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (qBNEP)

281 I am all right with a rifle shooting deer and a few other critters

The domesticated antlered rats here in Texas, you just walk up to them and wack them between the eyes with a ball peen hammer.

Less noise, don't have to share the skimpy amounts of meat with those who are too beta to kill a deer but are hungry enough to eat one.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (lD3vL)

282 "I have my wife on the bike hooked up to a generator right now, in fact..."

Cool! Is it close enough to the kitchen counter and fridge for her to make sandwiches too?

Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (UdKB7)

283 DO NOT VARY the grip.

Consistency will improve.

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 08:23 PM (K1IUD)

Thank you for the help and encouragement.

I don't want to give up on revolvers. I own a lot of rifles and semi-auto pistols. Always wanted to own a big-bore revolver, so I bought a couplenow that I have the $$$. The grip on the guns and the two-hand hold options are a lot different to me than semi-autos. I need to practice, dry and live fire.

Posted by: Gref at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (AMIL/)

284 Thanks for the reply redc.

Problem is, I am not so well heeled as to be able to drop that kind of $ on something that is not well made.

And asked about the CZ because I've seen them ( CZ's ) spoken highly of but can't remember comments on that particular model.

Have a Colt M1991A1 that will take care of things in a pinch.
But I don't think anything, well, any firearm, ever felt as good in my hand as a Belgium Browning I held once.

Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (ubFZv)

285 Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank and capture the fuel as it pours out of the bottom.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)
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LOL: sparks are sparks.

i wanna watch you do that, but from a ways away, and upwind.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (KEX6Y)

286 Lights out should have been 45 minutes ago
Good night horde

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (BbGew)

287 I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature. "

Yep. Fully pressurized system means no easy access.

After drilling said hole, have a bit of cheesecloth across bottom of funnel to keep out bigger debris.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (6qErC)

288 "Cool! Is it close enough to the kitchen counter and fridge for her to make sandwiches too?"

No. I want her 100% focused on generating electricity. I'm not a sadist.

Posted by: Wtp at June 16, 2019 08:49 PM (WQfDg)

289 286 Lights out should have been 45 minutes ago
Good night horde
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:48 PM (BbGew)
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'Night Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

290 Honestly, with what we have to go on, disabling
vehicles could be a factor as far as I know. I refuse to feel bad about
an unsatisfactory answer to "I don't use x what's the best x to get".

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:43 PM (t+qrx)

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Behold! The voice of sanity.

If you don't know what you're doing with whatever you have, it's often worse than nothing. Last weekend I found just how out of practice I was with the AR platform. I could bull my way through on residual know-how, but I'd rather not be doing that in a panic situation. So now I'm all about making it second nature.

That's the wisdom I have to impart.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:49 PM (cfSRQ)

291 If I presume your rifle is a SHTF one, a semi .22 will do to start due to size. I have used .22 Marlin Papoose take down in a softcase with velcro to hide in the boot of a car, also a takedown Ruger 10/22 in the tire well. A pump 12ga can live in the rear bench seat if you do some foam mods and want to hide away.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (bgJ0E)

292 An S&W 3" M66 is doggone near perfection.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (DMUuz)

293 AFAIK, Browning has never put their name on poorly made firearms*.

we have at least one with those markings, and it's a fine gun, for a 9mm.

* and someone here will correct me if'n i'm wrong about it. (Salt wood guns are a different issue, and they made that right when discovered)

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (KEX6Y)

294 A 38 revolver is great gun to learn on. You can see if it's loaded, you can sit in your chair and examine it and dry fire if you wish and get totally familiar with how it works. Plus is small and easy to store and secure.

Don't ever load it indoors though. That's a rule around here.

Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (UdKB7)

295 I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature. "

Yep. Fully pressurized system means no easy access.


Awl and hammer, graduate to a large Phillips screw driver.

Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 08:51 PM (xzK3J)

296 My wife bought me this 'Mantis' training thing. It's an phone app that synchs via bluetooth to a device you put on a Pick rail. It tracks how you're gripping the gun, your followthrough and, somehow, how on target you are.

It wasn't easy to get set up and configured but it's been interesting. It's not telling me much I don't already know: that I tend to 'heel' the gun to push it down. But it could be a useful tool in fixing that. Interesting stuff.

Fired 200 115gr FMJ through the XD 9. Didn't get great groups, for me. And I put 100 rounds through my bull barrel MK IV Ruger. Which was fine but uninspiring.

I think I am, in part, a victim of 'too many guns' syndrome. I shoot so many pistols that I have to 'relearn' the idiosyncrasies of one particular gun.

On the whole, the Walther PPQ is the most forgiving and the Glock family I seem to shoot consistently well. Which is odd, since those two platforms are on different ends of the ergonomic spectrum. Walthers feel great, Glocks feel blocky but I shoot them equally well.

Sigh.

Time to strap on the G21 until I re-learn my XD again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:51 PM (xJa6I)

297 292 An S&W 3" M66 is doggone near perfection.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 16, 2019 08:50 PM (DMUuz)
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Yep!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

298 "Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank"

Can't you just shoot a hole in it?

Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 08:52 PM (UdKB7)

299 Get a battery operated drill and bore a hole at the lowest point on the fuel tank and capture the fuel as it pours out of the bottom.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (lD3vL)

Just a heads-up on that! Many cordless drills have brush-type DC motors, and brushes can throw big fat sparks. I have a couple that do that, and you can see the sparks, and smell the ozone, even in a well-lighted room. Such a drill, with gasoline trickling down over, could become a fireball in your hand.

There are cordless drills on the market now, with brushless, electronically-commutated motors, which would be safer for that sort of use.

A hammer, and a long, tapered punch with a sharp point would work well, too, but not so well on a plastic tank.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:52 PM (WG6O9)

300 OldTexan, I love your attitude. That's why I've gotten interested in longer range shooting, which for me means out to 300 yards. New challenges slow aging. (I hope.)
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:44 PM (bmdz3)

Yup...good advice. Get proficient at a KD and keep working at it. If it's 300 yards, practice sighting at 300 yards in your mind even when your walking around about town or in your AO so you get a feel for that distance in comparison to your range time and in an every day setting.

If you ever need to, you will know at 300 yards and in your good to go.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 08:52 PM (Z+IKu)

301 The domesticated antlered rats here in Texas, you
just walk up to them and wack them between the eyes with a ball peen
hammer.



Less noise, don't have to share the skimpy amounts of meat with
those who are too beta to kill a deer but are hungry enough to eat one.



Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (lD3vL)

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The deer in my part of Michigan are just as docile. If my locality hadn't banned hunting, I'd be taking deer with a snub-nosed .38.

From my living room.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)

302
Is it possible to siphon a tank since the 1990s? I thought pretty much every tank had a built in anti-siphon feature.
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back when i w*rked repo, i had an electric pump under the hood of my car on the sidewall, with two coils of hose and wires to attach to the battery.

repo a POS with no fuel? transfer from my car.

repo someone with a full tank? transfer TO my car.

AFAIK, you can still get quarter inch gas line down inside, but it's been a long time since i've needed to try.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:54 PM (KEX6Y)

303 The deer in my part of Michigan are just as docile. If my locality hadn't banned hunting, I'd be taking deer with a snub-nosed .38.

From my living room.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)


It's all the CWD that makes them so friendly.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 08:54 PM (t+qrx)

304 PS: that was mid to late 80s time frame.

then i grew up and got a real career. (of sorts)

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 08:55 PM (KEX6Y)

305
From my living room.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)


Suppressor on a .22 rifle with subs. It never happened.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:55 PM (bgJ0E)

306 LOL: sparks are sparks.

i wanna watch you do that, but from a ways away, and upwind.


Prepper Tip #2: Use a brushless drill.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 08:56 PM (lD3vL)

307 Weasel, Thanks for the heads up about the Black Rifle coffee sale in the food thread. Just ordered some more. I'll be good on coffee for a good while.

And thanks for another fun gun thread. Range reports coming in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:56 PM (bmdz3)

308 On the whole, the Walther PPQ is the most forgiving
and the Glock family I seem to shoot consistently well. Which is odd,
since those two platforms are on different ends of the ergonomic
spectrum. Walthers feel great, Glocks feel blocky but I shoot them
equally well.



Sigh.



Time to strap on the G21 until I re-learn my XD again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:51 PM (xJa6I)

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The PPQ was the belle of the ball among the handguns in our shoot (scroll up).

I am tempted to get the 5" version, just to see how much accuracy I gain.

Oh, and still waiting with bated breath for your book review.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (cfSRQ)

309 Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 08:56 PM (bmdz3)
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My pleasure!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

310 Thanks again redc.

Appreciate the input.

Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (ubFZv)

311 261 A hypothetical for the more experienced:

I would normally carry a rifle (in a soft case) in my vehicle, if I had one, but it needs to be moved often due to folks getting into the back seat sometimes. If that would happen, I would need to move the rifle from the second seat into the third seat area - I have an SUV.

It's a hassle and further, folks see me move the soft case around and I would prefer they don't.

Any thoughts on what might be a better arrangement? The rife and case live in the vehicle. The home has it's own armament and, except for cleaning, the rifle doesn't come into the house.

Thanks
Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 08:40 PM (Y4EXg)

Here's my solution for that exact scenario.

I have a take down Ruger 10/22 in a yoga bag. A purple yoga bag with an shoulder strap, nobody would look twice at it in the Seattle area.

I also have a double racket tennis racket bag. Just so happens it's the right size of a side-folder AK 74 and a couple of magazines. Again, looks like sporting equipment, not like a gun storage black tactical thing with MOLLE straps.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (xJa6I)

312 But the last round should be a slug, just for good luck.
Posted by: Bob Seger at June 16, 2019 08:39 PM (9SkN+)

I bought a load of 12 gauge slugs, but haven't tried them out yet. I've heard that at a reasonably close range you should be able to crack an engine block with one, but I'd like to try it out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (V2Yro)

313
Suppressor on a .22 rifle with subs. It never happened.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 16, 2019 08:55 PM (bgJ0E)

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Crossbow FTW.

Unless the neighbors see me haul away the carcass...

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (cfSRQ)

314 The PPQ was the belle of the ball among the handguns in our shoot (scroll up).

I am tempted to get the 5" version, just to see how much accuracy I gain.

Oh, and still waiting with bated breath for your book review.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 08:57 PM (cfSRQ)

Ah, my bad. I'll upload it now.

I would in theory be interested in the all-metal PPQ. Extra weight doesn't really bother me for OWB carry.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (xJa6I)

315 I have a cool Father's day gun story!

My Dad passed away a little over a year ago. A few months ago, cleaning out his storage space I found his old military school rifle. It is a Remington Targetmaster 510 .22 bolt action single shot and one of the originals. I don't want to claim it was from the first production lots in 1939, but the timing of my Dad's time in school puts it in the very early 40s at a minimum.

I remember seeing the rifle in the attic as a kid, and we did go shooting with it once when I was maybe 8 or 9. The rifle has not been shot in 50 years.

I took it into the gunsmith at the range yesterday and he took it apart, did some cleaning, and checked the bore. Everything was in good condition. He gave it a clean bill of health.

Took it onto the range, put a round in it and sighted the target at 15 meters. The round hit the bulls eye dead center, the aim is perfect on the rifle. Three shots, three bulls eyes.

Here's to you Dad.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 16, 2019 08:59 PM (PHotS)

316 Went to the range last Tuesday. Fired about 300 22lr down range. Various ranges. All but a few shots were kill shots.

Heart and head.

Weapons used, Henry 001 and a Heritage Arms Rough Rider. Nothing fancy. Just goes to my thought that there is no such thing as a deadly weapon. Just deadly people.

Posted by: Ole, Evill twin of Sven at June 16, 2019 09:00 PM (vqIkG)

317 .380 round malfunction question.
I have a SigSauer .380, and have had the same issue with 3 different ammo manufacturers. Sometimes when inserting a magazine and seating it with the palm of my hand, the slug of the top round in the magazine separates from the case spilling gunpowder. Has anyone else had this experience?

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)

318 I would in theory be interested in the all-metal PPQ. Extra weight doesn't really bother me for OWB carry.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (xJa6I)

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I was interested until I saw it cost *twice as much* as the one I have.

I did check out the one at the local gun shop. Feels solid. Just too rich for me at the present time.


Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)

319 Here's to you Dad.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 16, 2019 08:59 PM (PHotS)

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That is awesome.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:03 PM (cfSRQ)

320 I mentioned this on the pet thread - I saw a yuuuuge black dear at the farm this weekend. I had the Tanker Garand shown above, an AR-15, a 9mm Sig, a .45 Kimber, and a .357 snubby. He was about 75 yards away, and I wanted something to shoot with in case he wasn't a friendly bear.

I thought about the two rifles, but they were in the truck. I grabbed the .357.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

321 Took it onto the range, put a round in it and sighted the target at 15 meters. The round hit the bulls eye dead center, the aim is perfect on the rifle. Three shots, three bulls eyes.
Here's to you Dad.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 16, 2019 08:59 PM (PHotS)

Nice!.......old rifles like that are like your own little time machine.

Good job Dave!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 09:04 PM (Z+IKu)

322 Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 16, 2019 08:59 PM (PHotS)
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Very cool!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

323 A.H. Lloyd @ 318-I think there are 2 versions of that PPQ, the competition one (expensive) and the other one, (500-600 maybe). I suspect both will do the job, having held them both last week.

Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 09:05 PM (qBNEP)

324 Docile deer story - here in East Texas, game wardens are big on catching people who were hunting deer from their cars. (a no no under hunting regs) So they came up with this stuffed deer that they would set up in a field, and then the game wardens would hide in a blind with full view and see who took a shot at it, who they would then bust.

They showed some of the video - damn, this was some of the funniest "Bad Boys" video I've seen. One truck comes along, you can see at least 3 shots come out the truck window. But of course, the deer is stuffed, it doesn't fall down. So the truck stops and one of the guys gets out and shoots at the deer, and then annoyed that the deer won't fall over, walks up till he's about 5 yards away and shoots it again. All this with a team of game wardens watching him and filming him.

I think they had a hard time arresting him since they were laughing so much!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 09:05 PM (V2Yro)

325 Most modern fuel tanks are plastic and pretty puncture proof. A manual twist drill would do the trick, or one of those manual screwdriver / push drill things like the guys on Mission Impossible used to use.

Posted by: freaked at June 16, 2019 09:05 PM (UdKB7)

326 What is the rifle and what are you using it for?
Posted by: NZFrank

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It's a AR platform and it is my 'after I fight my way back to the vehicle with my EDC to retrieve my rifle' rifle.

Thanks Mark - yeah, the soft carry case is unmistakable. At a family picnic awhile back my BIL needed to retrieve some salads and I threw him my keys without a thought. He came back and had all kinds of Qs about the rifle. He got into the bag - He's a good guy but boy, I now know I made a big mistake there.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 16, 2019 09:06 PM (Y4EXg)

327 316 ... Ole, I have both those guns. That Henry 001 is slick. And the Rough Rider is just plain fun. A cheap way to play Roy Rogers.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:06 PM (bmdz3)

328 I mentioned this on the pet thread ... I grabbed the .357.

Talking about gunning down some critter in the pet thread.

I love you, man.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (lD3vL)

329 I thought about the two rifles, but they were in the truck. I grabbed the .357.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

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Hmmm, I'm not a fan of 1911s, but I think I'd have gone with that over a short-barrel .357. I had one of those and the recoil was ferocious in such a small frame. Not sure I'd be confident of my shot.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (cfSRQ)

330 Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)
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Good grief! No, I've never heard of that!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

331 328 I mentioned this on the pet thread ... I grabbed the .357.

Talking about gunning down some critter in the pet thread.

I love you, man.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (lD3vL)
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It might have been the garden thread!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

332 318 I would in theory be interested in the all-metal PPQ. Extra weight doesn't really bother me for OWB carry.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 08:58 PM (xJa6I)

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I was interested until I saw it cost *twice as much* as the one I have.

I did check out the one at the local gun shop. Feels solid. Just too rich for me at the present time.


Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)

Yup. I can't justify adding to my pistol sprawl.

Just like I'm kinda glad I didn't win the auction on that Wilson Combat. It was getting very pricey and I can't justify spending over 2 grand on a pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (xJa6I)

333 So they came up with this stuffed deer that they would set up in a field, and then the game wardens would hide in a blind with full view and see who took a shot at it, who they would then bust.

How is this NOT entrapment?

And a stuffed deer? Sort of like getting busted for child pr0n when the incriminating pr0n is actually a drawing or CGI.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (lD3vL)

334 "I grabbed the .357."

Bear country?
And you don't go about your business with a 629 in a shoulder sling?

Had to pawn, then let go, mine over 30 years ago.
6" with Pachmayer combat grips.
One of the many stupid things I've done in my life.

Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (ubFZv)

335 It might have been the garden thread!


Food thread works, too.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (fuK7c)

336 330. Have never had this happen with any other pistol of any caliber. It is weird enough that I am probably going to get rid of the P238

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (gSgAd)

337 Not sure I'd be confident of my shot.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:07 PM (cfSRQ)
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It was a BIG bear!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

338
One of the many stupid things I've done in my life.
Posted by: ignorant at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (ubFZv)
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629 was in the safe at home. I guess I could have run him over with the tractor.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:13 PM (MVjcR)

339 going top the range this week, assuming my chiropractor hasn't had something come up in his schedule.

he's bringing his 9mm.

i'll bring some real guns.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:14 PM (KEX6Y)

340 How is this NOT entrapment?


Dude. There's a show called North Woods Law where they show a bunch of New Hampshire and Maine Good American game wardens doing game warden stuff.

Putting an animatronic deer in a field to see who will jacklight it at night or shoot from their vehicle reveals people who will jacklight deer and shoot from the road.

That's not entrapment, that's sorting the wheat from the chaff.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (fuK7c)

341 Yup. I can't justify adding to my pistol sprawl.



Just like I'm kinda glad I didn't win the auction on that Wilson
Combat. It was getting very pricey and I can't justify spending over 2
grand on a pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (xJa6I)

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Yeah, I thought the same thing until that Dreyse jumped into my car after handing the gun shop my credit card.
My Mauser Broomhandle is creeping towards the $2,000 mark after a measly $200 investment.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)

342 Does anyone have experience with the short shotgun rounds
(12gauge mini)? It is an interesting idea to about double the amount of rounds.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (gSgAd)

343 Thanks everyone. It was a great feeling knowing I was shooting the same gun he won the school championship with about 75 years ago. Although this old rifle is so accurate it feels like he was cheating.

The stock is walnut, and the gunsmith oiled it up making it shine. It has nicks from all the years, but those give it character. It is going to be a regular feature in my rotation from now on.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 16, 2019 09:16 PM (PHotS)

344 Just too rich for me at the present time.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (cfSRQ)

The PPQ is such a wonderful pistol that I am tempted to get the steel version. But damn...that is a lot of money.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:16 PM (wYseH)

345 317 .380 round malfunction question.
I have a SigSauer .380, and have had the same issue with 3 different ammo manufacturers. Sometimes when inserting a magazine and seating it with the palm of my hand, the slug of the top round in the magazine separates from the case spilling gunpowder. Has anyone else had this experience?
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)

Whoa, no.

I have a Kahr 380 and a new Glock 42. Ammo has been Privi Partisan and Augila. No ammo separation problems.

Are you at a range where you can rent another .380 and see if the ammo is the problem (seems unlikely if you have 3 brands doing it)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:17 PM (xJa6I)

346 It was a BIG bear!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

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Kimber has longer reach than a snubby, is all I'm saying.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:18 PM (cfSRQ)

347
And a stuffed deer? Sort of like getting busted for child pr0n when the incriminating pr0n is actually a drawing or CGI. "

You're probably right - but the game wardens got a lot of latitude, especially when you're way out in the wood and it's just you and them.

There's a reality show on cable late night, I've caught it a couple times about Texas game wardens, and how dangerous the job is. One of the biggest eye openers was a segment where they were following a team on Amistad reservoir near Del Rio, southern shore of that lake is in Mexico. A game warden team on that lake ALWAYS has to have one member standing guard with an M-16, since they never know when some of the Cartel dudes will pop their heads up and start taking potshots at them for fun. And when that does happen, all they can do is lay down suppressing fire and get the hell out of there as fast as they can.

The border is one fucked up place.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 09:18 PM (V2Yro)

348 341 Yup. I can't justify adding to my pistol sprawl.



Just like I'm kinda glad I didn't win the auction on that Wilson
Combat. It was getting very pricey and I can't justify spending over 2
grand on a pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:09 PM (xJa6I)

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Yeah, I thought the same thing until that Dreyse jumped into my car after handing the gun shop my credit card.
My Mauser Broomhandle is creeping towards the $2,000 mark after a measly $200 investment.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (cfSRQ)

No regrets then

Oh and review went up on Amazon. Sorry for the delay. I tried to keep it non-spoilery and not short story length

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (xJa6I)

349 It is weird enough that I am probably going to get rid of the P238

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (gSgAd)

Have you considered having a friendly chat with the good folks at the factory?

I'll bet they would help.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (wYseH)

350 The border is one fucked up place.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 09:18 PM (V2Yro)

As a wise man said, it is the land of wolves now

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:20 PM (xJa6I)

351 345. Yeah, I originally thought it was the ammo, but 3 different brands, still happens. I am going to the range this week with an armorer/gunsmith to check if I am doing something stupid.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:20 PM (gSgAd)

352 A final-ish thought. As part of the Matis training app, it calibrates based on your dry fire and on how you shoot weak-handed.

Left hand only...I suck. Shots pulling way right. All on the chest at 7 years. I suck but only so much.

But that was sad and humbling. I need to work out and practice my weak hand skills more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:21 PM (xJa6I)

353
Have you considered having a friendly chat with the good folks at the factory?

I'll bet they would help.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (wYseH)
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Yeah - I'd at least give them a call. My experience with Sig has always been good.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

354 317
.380 round malfunction question.

I have a SigSauer .380, and have had the same issue with 3 different
ammo manufacturers. Sometimes when inserting a magazine and seating it
with the palm of my hand, the slug of the top round in the magazine
separates from the case spilling gunpowder. Has anyone else had this
experience?

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:01 PM (gSgAd)
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Whoa, sorry I missed this.

No, never. I'm shooting the hell out of my PK380 and nothing like this has happened.

When you say "separating" do you mean the bullet is being knocked down? Could it be a magazine defect? Maybe you aren't seating the top round properly in the magazine? (Think of the 'Nam cliche where the guys tap their mags on their helmets before loading.)


Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)

355 353. Good idea

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (gSgAd)

356 It was a BIG bear!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5tex3yl

With proper shot placement, of course.

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (K1IUD)

357
Putting an animatronic deer in a field to see who will jacklight it at night or shoot from their vehicle reveals people who will jacklight deer and shoot from the road.

That's not entrapment, that's sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (fuK7c)

I wonder what the wardens would do if you got out, walked up to the stuffed deer, and painted "cow" on its side with a spray can?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 09:23 PM (WG6O9)

358 354. The slug separates from the case entirely. I have 5 magazines and will compare them.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:24 PM (gSgAd)

359 I wonder what the wardens would do if you got out, walked up to the stuffed deer, and painted "cow" on its side with a spray can?


The answer is probably not fall over laughing and shake their hand, but it should be.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:24 PM (fuK7c)

360 Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (K1IUD)
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My (sort of) plan was to put one in the dirt if yelling like a girl didn't scare him away, then start shooting for real.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

361 My (sort of) plan was to put one in the dirt if yelling like a girl didn't scare him away, then start shooting for real.
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

Just don't make a noise like a pic-a-nic basket.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 09:26 PM (WG6O9)

362 That's not entrapment, that's sorting the wheat from the chaff.


Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:15 PM (fuK7c)

My dad told me a story about a job interview he went on...someplace snooty. Yale, or Princeton...something like that.

After five minutes he had already decided that he wouldn't take the offer if they made it, so he had a bit of fun. One of the interviewers was some straight-off-the-Mayflower WASP who hunted pheasant. He asked my father what kind of hunting he enjoyed. And my father's response?

"I love to jacklight deer!"



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:26 PM (wYseH)

363 I only have a Huskvarna 450. Is that too small a caliber?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 16, 2019 09:27 PM (w7U7L)

364 People, please, don't be shooting my sex robot.

Posted by: Bambi at June 16, 2019 09:29 PM (geIq4)

365 "I love to jacklight deer!"


Well that there is hilarious.

Also pheasant are an imported Chinese bird who do the getting shot that American grouse won't do.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (fuK7c)

366 What's everyone's favorite .22 rimfire brand? I have an Imperial shit-ton of Winchester Wildcat that I bought cheap 15 or 20 years ago when a local store went out of business. I'm finally getting toward the end of that and need to start buying again.

The Winchester isn't particularly accurate and I'm looking for something better. Last week I bought some CCI Green Tag and found that group sizes are roughly half what I get with the Winchester.

Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)

367 Oh and review went up on Amazon. Sorry for the delay. I tried to keep it non-spoilery and not short story length

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:19 PM (xJa6I)

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Three stars? Ouch.I guess you didn't buy into the whole "sated with power for two decades and understandably grows complacent" concept, eh? I thought it was rather clever for him to take Peer for granted, place Peer's former lover and son in key positions and have it bite him in the ass.

But to each his own.

Thanks anyway!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (cfSRQ)

368 I also ran over my favorite straw hat with the rotary cutter behind the tractor this weekend. The hat did not survive.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

369 (Think of the 'Nam cliche where the guys tap their mags on their helmets before loading.)
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)


Now I'm picturing this:

https://stoatnet.org/howuloadmag.jpg

(no offense to EdmundBurkesShade)

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:32 PM (t+qrx)

370 Compound bows are cheating.

That is all.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 09:32 PM (2DOZq)

371 370
Compound bows are cheating.



That is all.





Posted by: Can't resist temptation - Glock aficionado at June 16, 2019 09:32 PM (2DOZq)

---Can't be. Dukes of Hazzard used 'em.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:33 PM (cfSRQ)

372 Iowa Bob, I have best luck with CCI standard.
I did a range test with about a dozen different brands and it was good enough to stand out.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (2+QJR)

373 What's everyone's favorite .22 rimfire brand?
(...)
Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)


I have had really good results with CCI MiniMags (the ones in the plastic box with the sliding top) and nothing but disappointment from Remington Thunderbolt.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (t+qrx)

374 369. Ummm - isn't that how everyone does it? That is hilarious.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 16, 2019 09:35 PM (gSgAd)

375 >> People, please, don't be shooting my sex robot.
Posted by: Bambi

Hey Bambi, if I catch you out eating my Blue Lake beans, Ima shoot you. Tell all your buddies the same goes for them.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 16, 2019 09:35 PM (f1Vqw)

376 Can anyone positively identify this AA gun, presumably Navy. http://tinyurl.com/y4ng5zfo

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)

377 I should be shooting more .22. That pallet I bought during The Lean Times is just sitting there. Looking at me.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (2+QJR)

378 Welp, it looks like things are winding down a little. I'll hang around until the ONT goes up, but thank you all for stopping by this week. It's always a pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

379 377
I should be shooting more .22. That pallet I bought during The Lean Times is just sitting there. Looking at me.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (2+QJR)

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WELL?! I'm waiting...

Posted by: .22 Pallet you bought during The Lean Times at June 16, 2019 09:38 PM (cfSRQ)

380 Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)

Just shot 100 rounds of each through my picky Colt .22. No jams, and it was pretty accurate.

Winchester High Velocity Super X 40 grain
CCI Standard Velocity 40 grain Target





Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (wYseH)

381 Pleasure is ours, Weasel. Another Bigly Thread.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (2+QJR)

382 Last two weeks were big ones at the range. Took my 10 year old daughter out last weekend for her to shoot her Savage Rascal. I brought my new to me police turn in Glock 17, Belgian police turn in Browning Hi Power MK3, first purchased handgun, a Taurus 92c (Compact) short run in the early 90s, my sons new Ruger 10/22 and my AR15 A1 build.

I was troubleshooting the Ruger and Taurus. I had some feeding issues with the Ruger the first time out and wanted to see if it was a break in issue. Basically every 3rd or so round would catch on the lower rim of the chamber and jam, scraping off part of the bullet. Problem was still there.

The Taurus ran well but ejection was weak and back at my head. Changing out the recoil and ejector spring and maybe the ejector to see if that solves it.

The AR ran very rough. Turns out the gas Key was loose. Got what I need to take care of that.

Took my son to an indoor range with his grandfather yesterday. Tried the Ruger again with new mags, same issue. Ruger gets a call tomorrow. Apparently they were having some issues in 2016 with their receivers.

Brought the new to me 1944 S&W Victory (Navy aviator sidearm) model. It shot very well, though the small grip takes some getting used to.

Shot the hi power again to make sure the sights are on. I'll be replacing the spur hammer with a commander type (hoping the sear mates up well) and refinishing and want to make sure I don't need to drift the sight before the refinish.

So a lot of shooting with a lot of family but a fair amount of work and aggravation as well.


Posted by: Keith at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (jdGlx)

383 (Think of the 'Nam cliche where the guys tap their mags on their helmets before loading.)


Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)
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not a cliche at all... you whack the mag to make sure the rounds are all the way back in the magazine, so they feed in right, instead of jamming.

this was taught at the harmony church school for excitable boys, back in the day.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (KEX6Y)

384 378 Weasel

Thanks again for a fun-filled gub thread!

Posted by: ibguy at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (EHVbt)

385 Those looking for something with some length and discretion might want to check out the Blackhawk Diversion Carry Workout Bag.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (DMUuz)

386 Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)
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Iowa Bob - I like the Federal Gold Medal Match (pricey) and plain 'ol CCI standard .22 LR.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

387 381 Pleasure is ours, Weasel. Another Bigly Thread.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (2+QJR)
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Thanks pal!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

388 not a cliche at all... you whack the mag to make
sure the rounds are all the way back in the magazine, so they feed in
right, instead of jamming.



this was taught at the harmony church school for excitable boys, back in the day.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (KEX6Y)

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No, I know. I remember it being taught in basic and we were all grinning like idiots, smacking the mags on our kevlars feeling like real soldiers at last.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:41 PM (cfSRQ)

389 379 377
I should be shooting more .22. That pallet I bought during The Lean Times is just sitting there. Looking at me.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (2+QJR)

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WELL?! I'm waiting...
Posted by: .22 Pallet you bought during The Lean Times at June 16, 2019 09:38 PM (cfSRQ)

Yes, dear.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:41 PM (2+QJR)

390 Happy Fathers Day to all the dads, step dads, grand dads, uncles etc!

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (dUJdY)

391 Can anyone positively identify this AA gun, presumably Navy. http://tinyurl.com/y4ng5zfo
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)


I'm no Anna Puma, but start with Bofors 40mm single mount. Looks like it may be missing a flash hider.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (t+qrx)

392 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)
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where is Anna Puma when you need her?

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (KEX6Y)

393 Posted by: ibguy at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (EHVbt)
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Absolutely, ibguy. Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

394 372 Iowa Bob, I have best luck with CCI standard.
I did a range test with about a dozen different brands and it was good enough to stand out.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (2+QJR)

373
I have had really good results with CCI MiniMags (the ones in the plastic box with the sliding top) and nothing but disappointment from Remington Thunderbolt.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:34 PM (t+qrx)


Thanks, I'll check those out. I've heard bad things about Remington Thunderbolt from other sources. It's often the cheapest stuff I see.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (bjCNA)

395 Mike Hammer @ 376- Why that's a Glock AK/AR 396 magnum with the thing that goes up and shoots 998 times with one triggerjerk. Everybody knows that.

Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 09:43 PM (qBNEP)

396 Thanks, Weasel, another fun thread.

I still mean to get you the Webley range report, it's just taking a while. But you will get it!

Just like one day I WILL get to the MiMoMe.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)

397 386
Iowa Bob - I like the Federal Gold Medal Match (pricey) and plain 'ol CCI standard .22 LR.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)


Thanks!

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:44 PM (bjCNA)

398 Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?

I have never heard of anyone who was unhappy with CCI mini-mags. I shoot the 40 grain version.

Posted by: An Observation at June 16, 2019 09:44 PM (mBISV)

399 The Winchester isn't particularly accurate and I'm looking for something better. Last week I bought some CCI Green Tag and found that group sizes are roughly half what I get with the Winchester.

Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)

Followup Q: Are 40 gr rounds inherently more accurate than 36 gr rounds?

Posted by: land surveys r us at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (K1IUD)

400 I'm no Anna Puma, but start with Bofors 40mm single mount. Looks like it may be missing a flash hider.

Nope, it's a post war 3"/50cal that replaced the Bofors

Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (MBGf7)

401 ICBW, but i don't think it's a Bofors, from a quick Bing image search.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (KEX6Y)

402 380
Just shot 100 rounds of each through my picky Colt .22. No jams, and it was pretty accurate.

Winchester High Velocity Super X 40 grain
CCI Standard Velocity 40 grain Target

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 09:39 PM (wYseH)


Thanks!

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:46 PM (bjCNA)

403 396 Thanks, Weasel, another fun thread.

I still mean to get you the Webley range report, it's just taking a while. But you will get it!

Just like one day I WILL get to the MiMoMe.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)
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OK! And Ben Had puts on a fine show in Texas in October if you can make it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

404 Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (MBGf7)
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Howdy, Panhandler! Haven't seen you in a spell! All good?

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:47 PM (MVjcR)

405 366 What's everyone's favorite .22 rimfire brand? I have an Imperial shit-ton of Winchester Wildcat that I bought cheap 15 or 20 years ago when a local store went out of business. I'm finally getting toward the end of that and need to start buying again.

The Winchester isn't particularly accurate and I'm looking for something better. Last week I bought some CCI Green Tag and found that group sizes are roughly half what I get with the Winchester.

Any recommendations (or brands that are crap and to be avoided)?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:30 PM (bjCNA)

I buy CCI Minimags in bulk. 5k rounds costs about as much as 1k 45 acp. So they aren't cheap but they run the most reliably.

I haven't had trouble with the Thunderbolt tub o' bullets but might be luck. Rimfire primer compound is rarely applied perfectly.

Hornady and CCI seem to be the best for quality control.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:48 PM (xJa6I)

406 Are there any plans to launch an ONT?
Just asking.
(Yes, I called dad - of course I called dad. Weather knocked out my cell service during the call, but I called dad.)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 09:48 PM (GYAiq)

407 EdmundBurkesShade @ 342 - I run them in a Mossberg 590 Shockwave. You need to insert an OpSol miniclip (~$15) to use them. No problems.
A lead slug the size of the tip of your finger traveling at ~1100 fps will ruin a goblin's day.

Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:49 PM (hXu8T)

408 Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)

I hope 3 stars isn't an 'ouch'. There's a lot of review inflation out there.

And I guess I would have like to have seen more mistakes and loss of faculties in the book to buy in on that ending. I was just mystified by the relative absence of the character who'd been driving the plot for so long.

On reflection, I think I DO like the Adam Flyte character arc. I think he's one of the best characters in the series.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:49 PM (xJa6I)

409 My dad made fun of me for years for owning modern arms, despite having owned the occasional hunting arm over the years.

After the last few years... he doesn't pick on me about it anymore.

Aside from the usual stuff about teaching them to be decent, productive human beings... one of the most important things you can do for your kids is secure for them access to arms, teach them how to use them, and teach them *why* you're doing it, and how and when to both keep their mouth shut.

And - while this may be an unpopular opinion - you need to teach them about when it may be appropriate to simply GTFO to somewhere else. Not much point in having your family tree end because they all got killed by some tinpot dictator or Che wannabe.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 16, 2019 09:50 PM (67XdO)

410 Nope, it's a post war 3"/50cal that replaced the Bofors
Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (MBGf7)


3" AA with an optical director?

See, this is why nobody ever asks me to shoot down flying things.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:50 PM (t+qrx)

411 253 So which caliber is best for stopping raving insane potheads?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 16, 2019 08:37 PM (WG6O9)


Bag of Doritos and a couple of Twinkies.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 09:51 PM (bjCNA)

412 Howdy, Panhandler! Haven't seen you in a spell! All good?

Nah, smashed my right ankle on Easter Sunday and have been in a non-weight bearing cast ever since, and for another 6 weeks. Wheelchair bound and just got a very nice BM59 which I hope to be able to walk with and sight in before it goes to Texas in Oct. Too bad about your hat.

Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:51 PM (MBGf7)

413 Hey, Weasel, future gun thread idea: Old Guns Handed Down or Found in the Attic.
I've got a percussion cap fowling piece made in Worcester, MA about 1850. It belonged to my grandfather's father or grandfather. More info on line than I thought was available
I've got it hanging over the reloading bench now; I'll shoot you a picture. Heh.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:52 PM (2+QJR)

414 Too bad about your hat.

Posted by: Panhandler at June 16, 2019 09:51 PM (MBGf7)
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Yes, the loss of the hat was tragic, but I'm trying to be brave.

Damn man, take care of yourself!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:53 PM (MVjcR)

415 I hope 3 stars isn't an 'ouch'. There's a lot of review inflation out there.



And I guess I would have like to have seen more mistakes and loss of
faculties in the book to buy in on that ending. I was just mystified by
the relative absence of the character who'd been driving the plot for
so long.



On reflection, I think I DO like the Adam Flyte character arc. I think he's one of the best characters in the series.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 16, 2019 09:49 PM (xJa6I)

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You rated it the worst book in the series. You gave every other book 4 stars. That stings a little.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:53 PM (cfSRQ)

416 And - while this may be an unpopular opinion - you need to teach them about when it may be appropriate to simply GTFO to somewhere else. Not much point in having your family tree end because they all got killed by some tinpot dictator or Che wannabe.


Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 16, 2019 09:50 PM (67XdO)
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"Advancing to the Rear" is sometimes the best course of action to live to fight another day.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

417 Rain continues apace here in ETEX. Well sportsfans, taps here at Camp Eromero.

Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (qBNEP)

418
I advance with my rear.

Posted by: Shep at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (f1Vqw)

419 BTW, that covert furniture - in which you cab hide firearms and other goodies - actually works. Somebody kicked in my front door last week despite the ADT signs. Quick smash and grab. They rifled through a dresser and nightstand and did not find goodies therein.

They did make off with three handguns I had in the kitchen.
They did not trash the place, so I think Imade out okay.

Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (hXu8T)

420 I got a muzzleloader this week to prep for deer season here in Iowa. I had a CVA wolf, and it was a great little gun, so I went a little nicer and bought the CVA Accura Prarie rifle. It's a lot heavier than the little Wolf, but so far, so good. Can't wait for the fall!

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 16, 2019 10:00 PM (fz/cD)

421
Hey, Weasel, future gun thread idea: Old Guns Handed Down or Found in the Attic.
I've got a percussion cap fowling piece made in Worcester, MA about 1850. It belonged to my grandfather's father or grandfather. More info on line than I thought was available
I've got it hanging over the reloading bench now; I'll shoot you a picture. Heh.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:52 PM (2+QJR)
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Thanks! I sort of tried that in the beginning with the "This Old Gun" feature but it didn't attract much interest. I was expecting to be overrun with all sorts of neat stuff, but only received a few pics and stories. I think some people just don't like advertising what they have, even with a guarantee of anonymity.

Send me what you have!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

422 366 What's everyone's favorite .22 rimfire brand? I have an Imperial shit-ton of Winchester Wildcat that I bought cheap 15 or 20 years ago when a local store went out of business. I'm finally getting toward the end of that and need to start buying again.

Lapua for bench rest might be a place to start, as for me shooting Steel Challenge my Buckmark works very well with Remington Thunderbolt and my S&W AR15-22 eats up the bulk Remington stuff I have too much of.

Posted by: OldTexan at June 16, 2019 10:00 PM (8/hDC)

423 Somebody kicked in my front door last week despite the ADT signs. Quick smash and grab.
Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (hXu8T)


Where do you live?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (t+qrx)

424
Rain continues apace here in ETEX. Well sportsfans, taps here at Camp Eromero.


Posted by: Eromero at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (qBNEP)

Night, Eromero.

Rain in Michigan. Would like a weekend without rain. I have a kayak that I am not using because kayaking in the rain is a lot of fun when you are 25, not when you are almost lapping 29 twice.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (GYAiq)

425 Question: I wear glasses for up close, so I need it to see the front sight, but then I need to look over the glasses to see the target. Is there a way to deal with this that I don't know about? Because it takes like a second or two to switch my focus from up close to far away it doesn't seem to work for me.

Posted by: next in line at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (moBhW)

426 Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:57 PM (hXu8T)
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Damn man. That still sucks. Sorry to hear it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

427 391 Can anyone positively identify this AA gun, presumably Navy. http://tinyurl.com/y4ng5zfo
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (HTHlp)

I'm no Anna Puma, but start with Bofors 40mm single mount. Looks like it may be missing a flash hider.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 09:42 PM (t+qrx)


That's where I started, but it looks to me like a 3"/50 on a Mark 24 mount.

Bofors 40mm does not have an exposed recoil spring.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 16, 2019 10:02 PM (di1hb)

428 425 Question: I wear glasses for up close, so I need it to see the front sight, but then I need to look over the glasses to see the target. Is there a way to deal with this that I don't know about? Because it takes like a second or two to switch my focus from up close to far away it doesn't seem to work for me.

Posted by: next in line at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (moBhW)
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For handgun shooting I wear readers (+2.5 I think) which focus at about 4 feet right around the front sight and aim for the center of the target blob.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)

429 Howdy folks, my name is Jesse and I usually lurk. I am a second generation NRA life member. I only remember shooting with dad a time or two, at the Izaac Walton League range in Maryland. Dad got his life membership in 1960, when I was 2. All of my life there was a stack of American Rifleman next to his favorite chair...I read them all. Dad shot in the Md State olympics, at least once getting a bronze.
As the years went on, I got married, and had a kid of my own. We had a place to shoot then, and Mom and Dad would come spend a weekend on occasion, and we did shoot together a time or two.
I started my son shooting at about 6, with the Remington 580 single shot my dad had given me in 68. I still have it and plan to pass it to my kid soon.
To make a long story short, dad passed away 6 years ago. My brother and i split up his collection. We try to get together once a year or so, near his birthday, and shoot some of his guns, in honor of the memories.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 16, 2019 10:05 PM (ouR/N)

430 That's where I started, but it looks to me like a 3"/50 on a Mark 24 mount.

Bofors 40mm does not have an exposed recoil spring.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 16, 2019 10:02 PM (di1hb)


That's funny, I found one pic of the 3"/50 on a Mark 24 mount that has the recoil spring, but couldn't find another.

Until I found another! But it was a Bofors 40mm on a twin mount.

http://tinyurl.com/yy7adeq2

So I officially have no idea.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:06 PM (t+qrx)

431 My dad passed away 20 years ago. I shot some of my first rounds with him although it was my mom who taught me the essentials.
Being the last late kid, I didn't get to go on many of the hunting or fishing trips but the ones I did were great.
He wanted me to go to Annapolis but I went Army ROTC. He wanted me to find a rich sorority girl, I married my high school sweetheart. He wanted me to stay close but my Army career took me all over the world.
When I got back from Desert Storm was the only time I saw him with tears. My last conversation with him he told me I was doing a great job as a dad. His granddaughters were special to him.
I miss him still today.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 10:06 PM (axyOa)

432 ahem: the Bofors 40 *does* have an exposed recoil spring, but the barrel on the pic is way too fat to be a 40mm

i concur on the 3"/50 cal call, pending approval by our resident expert, who is likely on the ONT at this very moment

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 10:06 PM (AL4IR)

433 Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 16, 2019 10:05 PM (ouR/N)
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Very nice Jesse in DC. You should de-lurk more often.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:08 PM (MVjcR)

434
A naive question: Parkerizing and similar treatments are done in a hot liquid bath. Is the barrel normally plugged to prevent the surface treatment from reaching the bore?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 16, 2019 10:08 PM (t5m5e)

435 425 Question: I wear glasses for up close, so I need it to see the front sight, but then I need to look over the glasses to see the target. Is there a way to deal with this that I don't know about? Because it takes like a second or two to switch my focus from up close to far away it doesn't seem to work for me.

Posted by: next in line at June 16, 2019 10:01 PM (moBhW)


I'm farsighted after cataract surgery and need reading glasses for closeup work. For handgun, I have good luck wearing a pair of low-power, cheap reading glasses. The front sight is in focus, the rear sight is still pretty sharp and the target is somewhat blurred, but good enough to line up the sights. This works better for me than just straight safety glasses, where the target is in focus, but I can't really see the sights clearly.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (bjCNA)

436 Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 10:06 PM (axyOa)
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That's pretty special Diogenes.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:09 PM (MVjcR)

437 A naive question: Parkerizing and similar treatments are done in a hot liquid bath. Is the barrel normally plugged to prevent the surface treatment from reaching the bore?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 16, 2019 10:08 PM (t5m5e)
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That's a very good question. I've often wondered the same thing. I'll try and find an awnser and post it next week.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (MVjcR)

438 Good stories, late arrivals. Best thing I've done as a father is make sure Jr. is well-versed in arms. And when they need to be used.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (2+QJR)

439 My good buddy, and godfather to my daughters has the M1 Tanker. Weasel is right. It is absolutely a great shoot! Fun as hell!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (axyOa)

440 428
For handgun shooting I wear readers (+2.5 I think) which focus at about 4 feet right around the front sight and aim for the center of the target blob.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)


This is pretty much what I do, although I think mine are lower power, maybe +1.50.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (bjCNA)

441 OK everyone. ONT is up and it's past my bedtime. Hope to see you all next week. Good night!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (MVjcR)

442 Good night, Weasel, thanks for the thread!

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (t+qrx)

443 Ok sports fans. Time to check eyelids for pinholes. Nice Sunday night start to the week, as always, Big W.

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (2+QJR)

444 This is pretty much what I do, although I think mine are lower power, maybe +1.50.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 16, 2019 10:11 PM (bjCNA)
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My memory is pretty frail these days so they very well could be a lower power. Who are you people again?

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (MVjcR)

445 Good night Weasel. Have a good one.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (axyOa)

446 442 Good night, Weasel, thanks for the thread!

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 10:12 PM (t+qrx)
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You bet amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (MVjcR)

447 Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (2+QJR)
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See you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:15 PM (MVjcR)

448 Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 10:14 PM (axyOa)
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Thanks and you too Diogenes!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 10:16 PM (MVjcR)

449 I did not get to the range this week. I am kind of fed up with stupid RSOs. Last trip, I was finishing up my time on the line, literally holstering my pistol, cocked and locked, into the 4 o'clock position when an RSO reached in between me, underneath my holster, and the side wall of the booth to check/reload the stapler on my bench.

The RSO literally placed a large portion of his body directly in/under the muzzle of my pistol as I was holstering. No notice, no warning, no notification at all! He couldn't have observed what I was doing and that I was preparing to vacate the lane and waited that crucial 5 to 10 seconds!

What could possibly go wrong???

I spoke with another RSO and their response was I shouldn't be holstering at that position even though I have sought permission to do so and demonstrated proficiency to other RSOs. It was somehow my fault that an RSO did something so utterly stupid.

I really think I need a new range but when I review range rules they are all incredibly vague about drawing and holstering. Therefore, at any given time, at the same range, something is approved or banned, depending on a whim of an RSO. I'm surprised someone doesn't get shot every month. But it isn't due to lack of effort.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at June 16, 2019 11:46 PM (+Kpte)

Food Thread: Yes, They Look Like Aliens, But They Are Tasty, Tasty Aliens!

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The opportunity for a Northeasterner to eat crawfish is limited, particularly if one wants to enjoy good American crawfish, and not the heavy-metals and coliform laden ones from China (the frozen variety around here). My first experience was as a kid in New Orleans, and while I was a bit put off by the weirdness of eating them, they sure tasted good!

The crawfish season is roughly spring, but there are enough farms that produce them year-'round that I imagine the ones served in Louisiana are always pretty good. I would be deeply suspicious of any offered to me outside of that region, but it's an excuse to go to New Orleans and also enjoy their other fine foods.

I have had them in a plain old (and marvelous) boil, in etouffee, and even in a pie (also wonderful). Hell, if I lived where they were plentiful I can imagine eating them all of the time, in all sorts of concoctions. Maybe not in a cocktail, although I wouldn't scoff at a Bloody Mary garnished with one!

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This sounds like a great idea! I love smoky flavors in cocktails, but it is not an easy thing to manage. Smoky booze like Islay malts are far too pungent and strong for most cocktails, even in tiny amounts. But charring fruit on the grill avoids the ashtray flavors of the smoky Scotch, and maybe even produces a bit of caramel flavor from the sugars in the fruit.

Charred Citrus Margaritas

The problem with this recipe is wading through the pompous bullshit and overly complicated and busy recipe. But the concept is grand, and I will be trying this as soon as it stops raining!

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Why didn't my high school have a BBQ team!
High school varsity BBQ teams? Yeah, it's a thing in Texas
ENNIS, Texas — When you say ‘varsity’ in Texas, the word ‘football’ usually follows. But how about barbecue?

At Ennis High School, a group of students loves their brisket and ribs just as much as their pigskin.

Last year, the school created its very first competitive barbecue and traveled to cook-offs involving other schools across the state. Only a handful of schools in North Texas have barbecue teams, but the idea is gaining popularity.

How does practice work? Do they have groupies?
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I hear that they sell these things at Red Sox games.

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Just in case this doesn't look perfectly vile, just imagine the feel of a frozen chunk of clam lubricated by a bit of frozen potato and some frozen milk as you crunch down on it.

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The few times that I have used these sprays I found them unpleasant. Tons of overspray (I may be a bit of a retard when it comes to aerosols), and the end result looked sort of unappetizing. Besides, is it really that difficult to use a thin layer of plain old oil and then wipe it with a paper towel to get a thin and even layer? What is the advantage?
Homemade Pan Release {Baking Spray}
This is actually a recipe for a brush-on version, which isn't nearly as bad.
[Hat Tip: Artisanal 'ette]
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Food and cooking tips, triple-cream cheeses, young wild pigs, crisp bacon, thick and fluffy pita, and good tomatoes that aren't square, pale pink and covered with Mestizo E.coli: cbd dot aoshq at gmail dot com. Any advocacy of French Toast with syrup will result in disciplinary action up to and including being nuked from orbit. And yes, shaking a Manhattan is blasphemy...it's in the Bible!

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1 Just in case this doesn't look perfectly vile, just imagine the feel of a frozen chunk of clam lubricated by a bit of frozen potato and some frozen milk as you crunch down on it.
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Can such things be?!

Posted by: H.P. Lovecraft at June 16, 2019 04:02 PM (kQs4Y)

2 Is there anything CBD won't eat?

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 04:04 PM (BbGew)

3 Is there anything CBD won't eat?
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Ketchup on hot dogs

Maple syrup on French toast.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:05 PM (kQs4Y)

4 Let's see, red bugs in a pan with their eyes looking at me, clam chowder Popsicle, and raw pork products stuffed inside a plastic tool kit. Usually there is at least one tempting dish that you provide. Today is not the day.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 16, 2019 04:07 PM (Kcf2u)

5 Mud bugs. It's what's for lunch.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 16, 2019 04:07 PM (xInes)

6 suck dem heads and pinch dem tails, ya'll

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 04:07 PM (Sr57E)

7 I made lazy (wo)man's green chicken chili the other day: cubed roasted chicken, chopped onion and jalapeno, can of corn, can of cannellini beans, garlic, spices, and half a jar of tomatillo sauce. Delish! Top it with shredded cheese and/or avocado.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:08 PM (kQs4Y)

8 Made meatball-stuffed sliders yesterday. OMG, so good. Like eating a handheld spaghetti dinner. Look at this video and try to not drool.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5mzksko

Short version - Get some King's Hawaiian rolls. Leave them connected. Cut out a hole in the middle like you're making a bread bowl. Leave some bread on the bottom. Brush the rolls with garlic butter, inside and on top. Bake 'em for 10 minutes or so til they get a bit browned.

Mean while you make some meatballs and bake or fry them. Make 'em small, they have to fit in the hole.

Then you put a tablespoon or so of spaghetti sauce in the hole and then a bit of mozzarella and then a meatball. Spoon another tablespoon of spaghetti sauce on top of each roll and sprinkle more mozzarella over the entire top of the rolls and some parmesan too.

Bake at 400 degrees for about 10 minutes, let cool a bit, slice the rolls a long the lines and try to not overeat!

Posted by: cfo mom at June 16, 2019 04:09 PM (RfzVr)

9 I think I'll skip this food thread.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 16, 2019 04:11 PM (0D4Y/)

10 Sausage toolkit reminds me the clasps are gone on my car toolkit case.
Currently bungee-corded.

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 04:11 PM (FhXTo)

11 5
Mud bugs. It's what's for lunch.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 16, 2019 04:07 PM (xInes)

+++When my kids were young they took me to a spot around the corner where a trickle of a stream flowed. These mud bugs were crawling all around. Needless to say, I did not go home to retrieve a bucket to collect any of them.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 16, 2019 04:11 PM (Kcf2u)

12 We cook several hundred pounds of crawfish every year. Love'm

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 16, 2019 04:12 PM (xInes)

13 Aren't "cooking sprays" just plain old canola oil? I don't have a name brand one to check but the generic one in the kitchen right now is.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 04:13 PM (qc+VF)

14

Beverly Hillbillies liked crawdads.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 04:14 PM (aKsyK)

15 159 Food thread i sup!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:03 PM
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I suspect that was done on purpose to imply supper.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 04:14 PM (ta49A)

16 I suspect that was done on purpose to imply supper.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 04:14 PM (ta49A)
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My fingers knew what my mind didn't.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:15 PM (kQs4Y)

17 I've never had crawfish. I even lived in Louisiana for a few years but never tried them. I did finally try frogs legs. Tasty.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 16, 2019 04:16 PM (dUJdY)

18
Texas: crawfish gumbo

New York: Manhattan clam chowder

Nuff see.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 04:16 PM (Wx/+I)

19 Crawfish - SUCK DA HAIDS!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 04:16 PM (V2Yro)

20 'Sup, Eaters?

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 04:16 PM (MVjcR)

21
That's another thing: Dinner is lunch. Supper is supper.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 04:17 PM (+YYCN)

22 Crawfish, the ugly food I love to eat. Don't forget the fried pickles.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 16, 2019 04:18 PM (r+sAi)

23 Never eat a cooked crawfish with a straight tail.

Straight tail means it was dead before it was cooked.

Only bent/curled tails.

Also, suck the head and pinch the tail. Kinda like life.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 04:18 PM (Z+IKu)

24 No recipe for pressed duck?

I am disappoint.

Posted by: fluffy at June 16, 2019 04:18 PM (dCRRg)

25 avoids the ashtray flavors of the smoky Scotch

What kind of scotch are you drinking?!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:19 PM (DEYzE)

26
And breakfast is breakfast, lunch, brunch, dinner, supper and late night snack.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 04:19 PM (Wx/+I)

27 Corn on the cob, new potatoes, Conechuh sausage, mushrooms, whole garlic cloves. Cold beer.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 16, 2019 04:19 PM (xInes)

28 I've had crawfish a lot, but I like them better in a concoction like an etouffe'. I love seafood, and especially shrimp, and unfortunately crawfish, to me, have a bit of a muddy taste that I just don't enjoy. But then when I say I love seafood, i must say I mean that literally, as in I just don't enjoy any fresh water fish of any kind. Gotta be salt water stuff.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 04:19 PM (V2Yro)

29 I think I'll skip this food thread.
Posted by: Jen the original at June 16, 2019

Granted crayfish and frozen soup isn't my taste either but I'm hanging in case something else comes up

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 04:20 PM (BbGew)

30
What kind of scotch are you drinking?!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead


Stuff labeled "Skotch".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 04:20 PM (Wx/+I)

31 Don't forget to chase those crawfish with a Hurricane.

Posted by: nraendowment at June 16, 2019 04:21 PM (MnDAb)

32 I'm not a fan of overly smoked scotch

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 04:22 PM (BbGew)

33 Only a foreigner or a hooker would drink a hurricane.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 16, 2019 04:22 PM (xInes)

34 Crawfish are delicious. I loved eating the rice-fed ones from the Louisiana bayou.


Cut up carrots, potatoes, ears of corn and sausage and toss intoa big boiling pot for 20 minutes or so.
The secret is to purge 'em - dump 50 pounds into a couple of coolers and pour half a box of Mortons salt into the water. They will purge all of the dirt and impurities in about 15 minutes. Then you can rinse with fresh water.


And sorry, if you think this is gross , then you have never "deveined" aka gutted a shrimp before eating. So stifle your mudbug judgement, shrimp-shit-removers.


There will be some dead ones so pick those out. Dump them into the boiling water and vegetables with enough water to cover all of them after adding one box and one bottle of Zatarains per 25 lbs of shellfish.


Tape newspaper to a table and dump everything out on it when the crawfish are red and the potatoes are soft-ish. Plates are not needed.

Break the crawfish in half, pinch the tail from the bottom like a tube of toothpaste. The white tail meat is lobsteresque in deliciousness. Hardcore crawfish eaters will suck the juice out of the head. You should try it at least once to get the full-on Coonass experience.


Some folks like to mix up sauces to dip

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 04:23 PM (Sr57E)

35 It just so happens I took my husband to Tybee for lunch today, and we shared a platter of crustaceans, that included crawfish.

He passed on the steamed corn and potatoes, because carbs. Which was a mistake.

He just checked his blood glucose (just diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes---which was a shock, considering his age), and it was too low.


We're still in the insulin learning curve.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:24 PM (ptqGC)

36 We usually boil mud bugs with a whole bunch of other stuff includung while garlic, red 'taters, corn, sausage, oranges and lemons. They just gotta go into the boil last and then turn the heat off and let'em steep in the pot until the desired level of spice is absorbed. Pull the basket and dump it on a picnic table covered with old newspaper and stand back...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:25 PM (DEYzE)

37 >>The opportunity for a Northeasterner to eat crawfish is limited. . .


Bummer! More for you bug-eaters, I guess?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 04:25 PM (W+vEI)

38 We usually boil mud bugs with a whole bunch of other stuff includung
while garlic, red 'taters, corn, sausage, oranges and lemons.



See? CrotchetyOldJarhead knows.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 04:26 PM (Sr57E)

39
It just so happens I took my husband to Tybee for lunch today, and we shared a platter of crustaceans, that included crawfish.

Crawdads, with a side of nuclear warhead, please.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 04:26 PM (Wx/+I)

40 Hi Jane D'oh! *hugs*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:26 PM (kQs4Y)

41 "How does practice work? Do they have groupies?"

"I lost my virginity to the captain of the High School Barbecue Team."

"You lucky girl!"

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 04:27 PM (m79Dg)

42 Just had some wild turkey. Not the drink, two wild turkeys at the park while I was walking the dog. Put the dog in the car, went back to get a few photos --- and got chased away by them. Assertive lil' things!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 04:27 PM (W+vEI)

43
We have crawfish pop out of the ground after a heavy rain. The dogs love them.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 04:27 PM (Wx/+I)

44 It is high "touron" season here, so we were sorely disappointed the seafood place was out of blue crab, which is the main reason D'oh wanted to go there.

I should have done what I always do, bought live blue crabs from the mean Asian lady in town. I'm the steamed crab queen.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:27 PM (ptqGC)

45
Hi Jane D'oh! *hugs*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:26 PM (kQs4Y)


Hi and {{hugs}} back!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:28 PM (ptqGC)

46 "My first experience was as a kid in New Orleans, and while I was a bit put off by the weirdness of eating them, they sure tasted good!"

I will eat crawfish étouffée, but I have only eaten unshelled crawfish once. That was enough. Messiest food I've ever eaten.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 04:28 PM (m79Dg)

47 34 not even after a whole bottle of scotch

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 04:29 PM (BbGew)

48 There are morons here who would not survive a classic oyster roast or blue crab feast. You actually have to get messy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:29 PM (ptqGC)

49 34>> A box or a carton of salt for a 50lb bag of bugs, in a plastic kiddie pool out by the street. Rinse before dunking them.

Theres no more effective, long term herbicide like salt water from the purge or the water from the boil.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:30 PM (DEYzE)

50 34 not even after a whole bottle of scotch

Good!
More for me.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 04:30 PM (Sr57E)

51
You Yankees with your hoity-toity"plates", "utensils" and "napkins"!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 04:31 PM (Wx/+I)

52 Looks tasty, cfo mom!

Made a blueberry buckle for breakfast. Making individual thin crust pizzas to night so that each of us gets their preferred toppings. Yum. Simply pleasure.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 04:34 PM (W+vEI)

53 Afternoon all

In Virginia and waiting for the lounge to open

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 04:34 PM (yWXpx)

54 Place we went to today is on the Back River, shaded by ancient oak trees, tables with holes in the middle for shells, etc., rolls of paper towels on said tables, and hand washing stations conveniently placed.

Haven't been there in ages, but it's fun and it screams "SUMMER!"


Will go back again when tourist season winds down.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:35 PM (ptqGC)

55 Family in south Louisiana introduced me to crawfish. Good stuff, but I can barely understand them.

Also, it's June 16 and we haven't hit 90 degrees here in Oklahoma. Highly unusual. Usually the asphalt is catching fire already.

Posted by: Blutarski at June 16, 2019 04:35 PM (+Tibp)

56 "I've had crawfish a lot, but I like them better in a concoction like an etouffe. I love seafood, and especially shrimp, and unfortunately crawfish, to me, have a bit of a muddy taste that I just don't enjoy."

I agree 100%. And, yes, they still taste muddy to me after they've been purged. So do catfish and tilapia. And for reasons discussed last week, swordfish are out.

But other than that, I love almost all fish, fresh and salt water. Scallops are my favorite.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at June 16, 2019 04:36 PM (S+f+m)

57 The Margins are nearly big enough to fit me in between them! Now this is what I call a food thread!

Posted by: Michael Moore at June 16, 2019 04:36 PM (tVQUs)

58 Oh, D'oh's doc said an occasional gin and DIET tonic is fine. So, of course the bar had zero diet tonic. Mind. Blown. Waiter said, "You're probably the first person in two years who's asked for diet tonic."

So that was our first clue I should have bought crabs in town and stayed home.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:37 PM (ptqGC)

59 Maryland has crab shacks where they just dump a bucket of crabs on a long table covered in newspaper and they give you a wooden hammer and room to destroy. You will get messy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:37 PM (kQs4Y)

60 55>>. Jane, that sounds awesome! Does the beer sit in a ice bucket and do they play blues there too?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:37 PM (DEYzE)

61 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?

Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)

62
Maryland has crab shacks where they just dump a bucket of crabs on a
long table covered in newspaper and they give you a wooden hammer and
room to destroy. You will get messy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:37 PM (kQs4Y)


They do that here, too. Messy food is good.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ptqGC)

63 Love those places where they just throw it on the table and you dig in.

There is a restaurant in Nacogdoches where you pick you steak from the meat counter, they cook it and serve it on a tray.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (SDVgT)

64 Place we went to today is on the Back River, shaded by ancient oak
trees, tables with holes in the middle for shells, etc., rolls of paper
towels on said tables


Place we used to go to (pre-Katrina) in south LA had the tabletops with the holes in the middle set directly on top of plastic-lined trash cans.


Folks poled their pirogues up to the restaurant dock on the bayou.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 04:39 PM (Sr57E)

65 62 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)
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2018? It's fine.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 04:39 PM (MVjcR)

66 @MrHarryCole on Twitter.

Deputy Political Editor for the Mail on Sunday.

He puts carrots in his chili.

https://bit.ly/2IQdOtz

Posted by: Walter Freeman at June 16, 2019 04:40 PM (I/iGu)

67 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)

Velveeta? An exper Date of 10/10 should be fine. It's still orange and not green right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 04:40 PM (yWXpx)

68 >>. Jane, that sounds awesome! Does the beer sit in a ice bucket and do they play blues there too?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:37 PM (DEYzE)


Yes! Blues or "beach music." And there are kitties roaming around. Sign out front says, "These are not feral cats. They are family."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:40 PM (ptqGC)

69 62 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)
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Since Velveeta is basically extruded plasticine clay, it should be okay.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:40 PM (kQs4Y)

70 Since Velveeta is basically extruded plasticine clay, it should be okay.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:40 PM (kQs4Y)


Yum!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:42 PM (ptqGC)

71 A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?

Food expires from the outside in. So just cut about 8 or 9 months worth off the outside.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 04:42 PM (Sr57E)

72 Grilled a steak at the farm on Thursday night. That was pretty exciting. Big improvement from bologna sammiches.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 04:42 PM (MVjcR)

73 I love crawfish!

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 16, 2019 04:43 PM (9hauA)

74 A mudbug tail peeled and put on a ritz cracker with a garlic clove is a redneck appetizer...or a kids meal.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:43 PM (DEYzE)

75 crawfish are feesh, and feesh is not food.

neither is clam chowder.

HTH!

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 04:43 PM (bBnj/)

76
extruded plasticine clay

I think this describes Olive Garden's entire menu.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (Wx/+I)

77 and they give you a wooden hammer

Always reminds me of Christmas on other planets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsFMQ2KjTZ0

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (FhXTo)

78 2018? It's fine.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 04:39

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Thanks, that's what I thought. Bit of a wang smell, but confident 2 cans of rotel will fix that. Nuking it as I type.

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Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (ZNxqY)

79 We laff at Velveeta but my grandma said it was a real boon before refrigeration was available everywhere (she was from the "icebox" generation). "Good" cheese would get oily and separate.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (kQs4Y)

80 Comin home from school one day saw some other kids grabbin crawdads from a creek

Ran home and came back w 2 pails and filled them up quick.
Glad they were 5 gallon buckets.

Ettoufee that night and next night pie

Posted by: Lone Ranger at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (QoI/5)

81 Olddog - Wouldn't stop me, my wife wouldn't go near it

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (BbGew)

82 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)

If it's not growin' mold,
It's not too old!

Posted by: Surfperch's old phone at June 16, 2019 04:45 PM (tVQUs)

83 Thanks, that's what I thought. Bit of a wang smell, but confident 2 cans of rotel will fix that. Nuking it as I type.



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Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (ZNxqY)


Ummm...."wang" smell?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:45 PM (ptqGC)

84 It might be yesterday's baked chicken and salad but all this scotch talk has made me have a pre dinner drink.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 04:45 PM (BbGew)

85 I missed it in the post earlier, but I love a deep smoky scotch.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 16, 2019 04:45 PM (r+sAi)

86 Years ago we were camping as an extended family, and us cousins went with traps and such to collect crawdads from the lake.

My Aunt Virginia had put on a pot of water for the crawdads as we brought back the filled traps, and we waited for it to boil over the Coleman gas stove.
When the water started seething we had a minor discussion about dumping the crawdads in alive, as usual, and it was explained (as usual) that this was the fastest way to kill them and cook them.

So we dumped them into the pot of boiling water in one batch, and discovered that there was about an inch too little water in the pot and the top level of crawdads were not submerged in boiling water, but were being steamed, not flash boiled.

My Aunt, quick thinking, grabbed the nearest pan lid to drop down on it, having dealt with lots of incidents that make kids to "eeew!!!"

She plopped it down on the crawdads to both preserve the heat in the pot and hide the crawdad from a bunch of pre-teen relatives who were about to go into convulsions of ewww. The lid, however, was a bit smaller than the pan and there was a gap all around that the crawdads could poke their claws up through in their mortal agony.

Which they did.

I took one look and decided I should go somewhere else.

I do like crawdads, but it does seem a bit of a chore to get enough for a meal.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 16, 2019 04:46 PM (hSQmw)

87 German smoked beer is great too. Especially mit sausages.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:46 PM (kQs4Y)

88 Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:40 PM (ptqGC)

Pinche bonito!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:46 PM (DEYzE)

89 We laff at Velveeta but my grandma said it was a real boon before refrigeration was available everywhere (she was from the "icebox" generation). "Good" cheese would get oily and separate.

iirc, Hershy chocolate was developed for the WWII south Pacific troops. Everything else would melt.

Posted by: Adriane the Wot Says Oy Critic ... at June 16, 2019 04:47 PM (LPnfS)

90
My review on Pierre Signatures Angus Cheeseburgers I bought at Costco.

-- Frozen
-- Fully cooked
-- 8 in the box
-- $14.99

It's a fully-cooked frozen cheeseburger, including the bun. Takes 3-4 minutes in the radar range to prepare.

Taste: Good.

I added ketchup, mustard, and a pickle. I must say, it's a damn good cheeburger for 3 minutes and no mess. I'd say it's better than a Quarter Pounder, much less salty, that's for sure.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 04:47 PM (+YYCN)

91 Thanks, that's what I thought. Bit of a wang smell, but confident 2 cans of rotel will fix that. Nuking it as I type.

Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (ZNxqY)

Ummm...."wang" smell?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:45 PM (ptqGC)

Wang smell is my favorite smell!

Posted by: Shep Smith at June 16, 2019 04:47 PM (tVQUs)

92 62 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)
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2018? It's fine.

Posted by: Weasel

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Velveeta? An exper Date of 10/10 should be fine. It's still orange and not green right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup

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Since Velveeta is basically extruded plasticine clay, it should be okay.

Posted by: All Hail Eris

---------Food expires from the outside in. So just cut about 8 or 9 months worth off the outside.

Posted by: mikeyG

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God, I love this place. You guys never dissappoint.

Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:48 PM (ZNxqY)

93
For less than 2 bucks a cheebuger, I rate them: Very Soothieworthy.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 04:49 PM (+YYCN)

94
I missed it in the post earlier, but I love a deep smoky scotch.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 16, 2019 04:45 PM (r+sAi)


So does my husband. The week before he got sick, we went to a fabulous bar here called Artillery, and he and the other guys had a cocktail consisting of bourbon, where the bartender lit cigar tobacco on a glass plate, placed the glass over the smoking tobacco for a about a minute, and then added bourbon and a burnt cherry garnish. D'oh said it was the best cocktail he'd ever had.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:49 PM (ptqGC)

95 That briefcase looks like something out of a Tool video.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 16, 2019 04:49 PM (l9m7l)

96 That briefcase looks like something out of a Tool video.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 16, 2019 04:49 PM (l9m7l)


Tool Time w.Tim !

Posted by: Adriane the Wot Says Oy Critic ... at June 16, 2019 04:52 PM (LPnfS)

97 In the interest of full disclosure. I am in a hotel down here and went to the Commissary and bought a loaf of white bread and Velveeta slices and I am eating a sandwich right now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 04:52 PM (yWXpx)

98 We have big ole mahi fillet for the grill tonight. Gonna have wild rice and mushrooms and some steamed veggies. Scotch and a cigar for dessert.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:53 PM (DEYzE)

99 Eris, my late Florida grandparents had to go to an actual ice house back in the day to get blocks of ice for their "refrigerator." Both of my maternal grandparents were great cooks, but I'm pretty sure my grandmother used Velveeta, too.

My grandfather was an incredible gardener, fisherman, and hunter. Every single thing they ate he grew or killed. Except for beef and pork. And my grandmother used a local canning facility to can big quantities of everything to see them through the cooler months.


They were awesome. Miss them to this day.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:53 PM (ptqGC)

100 I went to a crayfish boil last month that put sausage, potatoes, corn on the cob, artichokes, and pineapple in with the crayfish. I got to eat the crayfish, sausage, and artichokes because carbs. The artichokes were very tasty.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 04:53 PM (UUBmN)

101 My husband's blood glucose just dropped again. Dammit. He's now eating a small bowl of ice cream to get it back up.

This entire sudden new way of life is a tad stressful.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:55 PM (ptqGC)

102 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)

Ummmmmmmm.....Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 04:56 PM (Z+IKu)

103 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (

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October 18th is at least...*counts on fingers*...three months away.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 04:56 PM (gC2IV)

104 We have a church crawfish dinner once a year. Those sweet Southern church ladies...pulling the heads off of the mudbugs...I love it.

Every year, the first time I eat them, it takes me a minute to get over how creepy they look. Well, it takes a few yummy yummy bites to get over it, I guess.

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 16, 2019 04:56 PM (wSGZR)

105 Occasionally the local Albertson's here gets all hoity-toity for these parts of New Mexico and gets the frozen crawfish in plastic tray (I forget the brand). My, them's tasty!
Nothing I like better than a good home-made etouffee.
OTOH, the purveyor of the chowder on a stick can DIAF...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 16, 2019 04:56 PM (7s3Gx)

106 My fraternity in college in Louisiana had an all day and night outdoor 'Grand Manger' party every year where it was all the boiled crawfish , boudin, etoffee , etc you could eat.

I look back fondly on those days.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 04:57 PM (2DOZq)

107 Jane, maybe try eating small portions throughout the day will help him avoind those big swings from high to low. Are you guys keeping a log of meals and glucose levels?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:58 PM (DEYzE)

108 33 Only a foreigner or a hooker would drink a hurricane.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 16, 2019 04:22 PM (xInes)

Mom sure liked'em!

Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 04:59 PM (hXu8T)

109 Ok, took a bit of searching, but I think it was the Riceland brand we got here.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 16, 2019 05:00 PM (7s3Gx)

110 Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 04:52 PM (yWXpx)

TMI, dude!!!!

Posted by: Adriane the Wot Says Oy Critic ... at June 16, 2019 05:00 PM (LPnfS)

111 It's a fully-cooked frozen cheeseburger, including the bun. Takes 3-4 minutes in the radar range to prepare.

Taste: Good.


If you're not in a big hurry, here's a way to improve on them a bit. 1) nuke for just long enough to be able to remove the bun without it tearing apart, maybe a minute or so 2) disassemble burger 3) toast bun in the toaster oven 4) remove and discard the nasty, crumbly pseudocheese stuff 5) nuke the meat the rest of the way 6) reassemble with cheese of your choice.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 05:00 PM (qc+VF)

112 Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 04:52 PM (yWXpx)

TMI, dude!!!!
Posted by: Adriane the Wot Says Oy Critic ... at June 16, 2019 05:00 PM (LPnfS)

So I guessing you do not want to know more about what I did after an 7 hour drive?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 05:01 PM (yWXpx)

113 Fisherman's Wharf used to be great place for steamed crabs, with the paper covered tables and the rolls of paper towels.

I'll keep this memory because I don't even what to imagine what it is now.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 05:01 PM (SDVgT)

114 NGU - Now that you have my intention

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:05 PM (BbGew)

115 This entire sudden new way of life is a tad stressful.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 04:55 PM (ptqGC)

I'm sorry, Jane. I'm sure it must be. We are praying for you both.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 05:06 PM (ahS0B)

116
If you're not in a big hurry, here's a way to improve on them a bit. 1) nuke for just long enough to be able to remove the bun without it tearing apart, maybe a minute or so 2) disassemble burger 3) toast bun in the toaster oven 4) remove and discard the nasty, crumbly pseudocheese stuff 5) nuke the meat the rest of the way 6) reassemble with cheese of your choice.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg



Yeah, I'd say a toasted, rather than a steamy-soft nuked bun, would improve it a lot.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 05:06 PM (+YYCN)

117 114 Attention
Between drinking and typing

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:07 PM (BbGew)

118 iirc, Hershy chocolate was developed for the WWII south Pacific troops. Everything else would melt.
Posted by: Adriane the Wot Says Oy Critic ... at June 16, 2019 04:47 PM (LPnfS)

Not completely true, Hershey developed a Tropical chocolate for use in the Pacific theater. It had additions of edible wax to keep it stable.

One of Dad's friends mentioned when I was a kid in the 70's that he went through a duffle bag finally and found a block of the chocolate. He said sometimes they would have a pale streak through it from the stabilizing wax, and you could put it on the fender of a car or the deck of a tank in full sun and it wouldn't melt.

I asked him if he tried it and he said no.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 16, 2019 05:07 PM (hSQmw)

119 Raining again

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:07 PM (BbGew)

120 Yesterday was my cheat day on my no bread , wheat products and sugar diet . I blew it because I got up too late for breakfast and had a protein drink before playing tennis. Barely avoided heat exhaustion so was too tired to go sit down for a nice Italian dinner as I had planned. Eventually got up and did a McDonald's drive thru which was terrible.

I've got to plan my bi-monthly cheat days a little better .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 05:08 PM (2DOZq)

121 Chique !

haven't seen you since the "where to live thread"

I thought ya jumped in the car in the middle of the thread and left.

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 05:08 PM (JvvIt)

122 Jane, maybe try eating small portions throughout the
day will help him avoind those big swings from high to low. Are you
guys keeping a log of meals and glucose levels?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 04:58 PM (DEYzE)


Yes, we are. He's been doing well at work, too. The hospital dieticians had him on two many carbs, and his BG remained too high even after we got home. It's settled down to normal the past few days....until today. And now it's too low.


It's a process.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2019 05:09 PM (ptqGC)

123 I am in a hotel down here and went to the Commissary and bought a loaf of white bread and Velveeta slices and I am eating a sandwich right now
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 04:52 PM (yWXpx)


Well at least they had a sandwich, too.

What are you gonna do with the white bread and Velveeta?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 05:09 PM (t+qrx)

124 Fisherman's Wharf used to be great place for steamed crabs, with the paper covered tables and the rolls of paper towels.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 05:01 PM (SDVgT)

Nowadays, the best crabs in San Francisco are the ones sold by Hobos who catch them "extracurricularly".

Posted by: Surfperch's Old Phone at June 16, 2019 05:10 PM (tVQUs)

125 I'd imagine a truly righteous outdoor slurp n burp would have pit barbeque and mud bugs, waitresses in daisy dukes and SRV, Skynyrd and all the great blues artists on the playlist. Wooden picnic tables and adirondak chairs under big oak or pecan trees and a river or a pond on site. And only scooters would be parked in front.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 05:11 PM (DEYzE)

126 Raining again
Posted by: Skip

not here.

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 05:12 PM (JvvIt)

127 I've been catching up on the book thread and saw this....
221 Hoping to provide my oldest grandkid a little balance in his outlook, I gifted him via the web, two books for his Kindle Fire.

He's twelve, just finished sixth grade, and a voracious reader.

Huckleberry Finn was one, the other was Feed, by M. T. Anderson. Feed is near future science fiction, a first-person tale told by a sixteen-year old boy, in an America where the state implants everyone at age two with what's essentially Amazon, texting via your mind, and the Intertoobz.

He lives in an ultra-left home in an ultra-left city, so maybe these can help center him.

What else might a twelve-year-old boy be reading?
Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (4ZE6o)
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If you're still around, I can load you up with hundreds of good books for that age.
Anything by G. A. Henry, for starters.

I could send an e-mail to OregonMuse filled with books for kids of that age, for him to forward on to anyone who's interested. (Homeschooling mom, lifelong avid reader raising lots of avid readers)

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at June 16, 2019 05:12 PM (adsVM)

128 Raining in Houston which we needed.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 05:13 PM (2DOZq)

129 Happy Father's Day, Native born American Dads! 52% of jobs the past year went to foreign born people and a whopping 14% of jobs the past year went to native born men. Trust the Plan!

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 16, 2019 05:13 PM (Lktpy)

130 What are you gonna do with the white bread and Velveeta?
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 05:09 PM (t+qrx)
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Make a bread suit!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 05:13 PM (kQs4Y)

131 The opportunity for a Northeasterner to eat crawfish is limited, particularly if one wants to enjoy good American crawfish, and not the heavy-metals and coliform laden ones from China (the frozen variety around here)

Is it possible to extract the Rare Earth Minerals from the Chinese originated crawfish ?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:14 PM (lD3vL)

132 It has kept threatening often but not really raining

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:15 PM (BbGew)

133 Is it still free speech if you burn the crawfish?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:15 PM (lD3vL)

134
Had a good downpour here in Brazoria County this afternoon. Good thing I got the acreage mowed yesterday. My body, however, disagrees.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 05:16 PM (Wx/+I)

135
Her Majesty will only buy American-farmed seafood. And only American-made dog treats.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 05:17 PM (Wx/+I)

136 Make a bread suit!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 05:13 PM (kQs4Y)


Having had the opportunity to meet NGU, I'm picturing this now. With the white combination cover.

Because dress white bread suit.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 05:17 PM (t+qrx)

137 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)

That's actually a hold my beer dare date

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at June 16, 2019 05:18 PM (P4Pk9)

138 did a McDonald's drive thru which was terrible.

Were you expecting anything other ?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:18 PM (lD3vL)

139 That briefcase looks like something out of a Tool video.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm


You missed the chance to call it a "beefcase". Though it does seem to be filled with pork, and not beef.

Posted by: mikeski at June 16, 2019 05:18 PM (P1f+c)

140 Because dress white bread suit.
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Spackle on lots of cheez on the epaulets!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 05:18 PM (kQs4Y)

141 The reason Chinese crawfish tail meat is sold here in abundance as opposed to American raised is because of the same old story of cost of labor. If you could invent a machine that could economically peel a crawfish tail you would become very rich. Many have tried but to get the tail meat in one piece is the holy grail of crawfish farming.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 05:19 PM (2DOZq)

142 I bought myself a duck breast and leg. I plant to pop them in the smoker when I get home from the taproom.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:20 PM (5xVi+)

143 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)

Throw in some Ro-Tel and some vodka and you should be fine.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 05:20 PM (m79Dg)

144 When I was a kid growing up in the Niagara Peninsula the streams had crawfish.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:21 PM (5xVi+)

145 Cooking up invasive species:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/australian-invasive-species

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/eating-asian-carp-invasive-species

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 05:21 PM (kQs4Y)

146 138 did a McDonald's drive thru which was terrible.

Were you expecting anything other ?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:18 PM (lD3vL)

Sadly yes. Since I hadn't had it in quite sometime I thought it may have been enjoyable as it was when I was younger than 29.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 05:21 PM (2DOZq)

147 So I guessing you do not want to know more about what I did after an 7 hour drive?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 05:01 PM (yWXpx)


hmmmm... Did you eat any Valveeta before the 7 hour drive or only after?

Posted by: Adriane the Wot Says Oy Critic ... at June 16, 2019 05:23 PM (LPnfS)

148 Any word from Insomniac and nurse today???

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 05:23 PM (UUBmN)

149 Any word from Insomniac and nurse today???

Other than "ooooohh, aaahhh and mmmmmmm"

Not a peep

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 05:24 PM (JvvIt)

150 Did you eat any Valveeta before the 7 hour drive or only after?
Posted by: Adriane the Wot Says Oy Critic ... at June 16, 2019 05:23 PM (LPnfS)


If there isn't a fuel additive called "Valveeta", there f'n ought to be.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 05:25 PM (t+qrx)

151 for an eatery, Pappas in Houston serves a pretty damn good crawdaddy eatoofay.

Posted by: REDACTED at June 16, 2019 05:25 PM (DPjeO)

152 Jane, a small glass of orange juice will help when the BG is too low.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 05:25 PM (SDVgT)

153 Has anyone heard from Bluebell ?

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 05:25 PM (JvvIt)

154 Jane, your hubs needs a complex carb to go with the fast carbs like juice or ice cream. Otherwise his sugars are going to spike high then plummet.
Things like whole wheat, farro, sweet potatoes, quinoa, carbs that are more complex and have fiber can help provide balance. The difficult part is getting the portions correct.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 16, 2019 05:26 PM (a4qVe)

155 Cheribebe, those glucerna bars work well also.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 05:27 PM (SDVgT)

156 On our trip across the country with our grandkids, we stopped in Louisana for a swamp tour and crawfish. The kids loved both. They are from Ohio and their parents have have them taste everything.

Posted by: Abby at June 16, 2019 05:27 PM (wc3R3)

157 Since Velveeta is basically extruded plasticine clay, it should be okay.

There is a reason the FDA required Kraft to change its description from Cheese Spread to Cheese Product (should be Cheese-like Product)

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:28 PM (lD3vL)

158 Yes Ben, those are good. Getting a diabetic diet regulated in the beginning is such a challenge!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 16, 2019 05:28 PM (a4qVe)

159 Pouring rain last 15 minutes

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:29 PM (BbGew)

160 enjoyable as it was when I was younger than 29.

Before the Anti-joy Nazis forced McD to use vegetable oil rather than beef fat in their deep fryers.

Its been down hill over since.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:30 PM (lD3vL)

161 The sun is shining here

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 05:30 PM (JvvIt)

162 I only remember the 12 mile creek having crayfish

Posted by: Lord percy at June 16, 2019 05:30 PM (98dcd)

163 LOL! Hi JT!

I felt bad because I was working that night, and after compiling the list of cities, I continued working. By the time I remembered, it was really late and I couldn't say a formal good night.

But I got lots of fantastic ideas. The Horde is marvelous.

I haven't selected a place yet, but it'll probably have to be in July as I have a friend visiting from overseas in August and choir season starts in September.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 16, 2019 05:31 PM (9hauA)

164
Fake outrage directed at Tim Allen?? Yep. He's a racist, now.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 05:31 PM (+YYCN)

165 Before the Anti-joy Nazis forced McD to use vegetable oil rather than beef fat in their deep fryers.


amen

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 05:31 PM (JvvIt)

166 Is it possible to extract the Rare Earth Minerals from the Chinese originated crawfish ?

Pretty sure you could extract the arsenic and stuff, but those aren't rare earth metals.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 16, 2019 05:31 PM (7s3Gx)

167 Rice fields doubled as crawfish farms before they became dedicated to just crawfish.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 05:32 PM (2DOZq)

168 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)

2018 was an excellent year for Velveeta. Especially those extruded in February.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 05:32 PM (m79Dg)

169 Did you eat any Valveeta before the 7 hour drive or only after?

I have a very long flight in my near future and was wondering what foods, other than Velveeta would block someone up sufficiently to avoid using the restrooms.

Carlos Hathcock allegedly consumed peanut butter before his multi-day stalks of his prey.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:32 PM (lD3vL)

170 Best of luck in whatever you choose, Chique !

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 05:33 PM (JvvIt)

171 Carlos Hathcock allegedly consumed peanut butter before his multi-day stalks of his prey.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:32 PM (lD3vL)

MREs always worked well for me. Really didn't matter which meal, either.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 05:34 PM (SUV+r)

172 Eating a block of cheese always reminds me of Uncle Buck when he asks his sister in law if they had a plunger.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 05:34 PM (2DOZq)

173 Since Velveeta is basically extruded plasticine clay, it should be okay.

There is a reason the FDA required Kraft to change its description from Cheese Spread to Cheese Product (should be Cheese-like Product)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:28 PM (lD3vL)

I thought it had been further reclassified to Building Material?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 05:34 PM (m79Dg)

174 Carlos Hathcock ?

Hathcock, will travel ?

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 05:34 PM (JvvIt)

175 I have a very long flight in my near future and was wondering what foods, other than Velveeta would block someone up sufficiently to avoid using the restrooms.

A beef patty MRE and a single glass of tap water will form the equivalent of colorectal concrete.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 05:35 PM (DEYzE)

176 Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 16, 2019 05:13 PM (Lktpy)

I don't know, but I think the weekend threads-unless it's an open one- should really be about food, or pets or pet food or pets as food-last one-not really. I was just channeling "Barky the Dog eater"
I have no desire to eat my cats.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 05:36 PM (ahS0B)

177 I have a very long flight in my near future and was wondering what foods, other than Velveeta would block someone up sufficiently to avoid using the restrooms.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:32 PM (lD3vL)


Ask NASA.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-12/ch.3.htm

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 05:36 PM (t+qrx)

178 Best of luck in whatever you choose, Chique !
Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 05:33 PM (JvvIt

Thanks! I have to make sure I actually do it.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at June 16, 2019 05:36 PM (9hauA)

179 I agree Fen!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 16, 2019 05:37 PM (a4qVe)

180 I thought it had been further reclassified to Building Material?

Welp, since Velveeta is just the scraps of cheese from the cheese mnaufacturing line that have been swept up and processed into a block, I'd guess the FDA description would vary depending on how much floor debris, bug parts, etc. that get into the mix on a weight basis.

I think.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 16, 2019 05:37 PM (7s3Gx)

181 To all the folks who suggested various Black Rifle coffee styles last week, thank you. Also for the grind and brewing descriptions.

I had my first cup of their Blackbeard's Delight blend today. OMG!! So much flavor and so smooth with almost no acidity. I found myself sipping it slowly just to prolong the taste.

The only coffee I've had that compares was at an auberge in Quebec City. I usually drink coffee black but I'm going to try this blend as a cafe au lait once in a while. Preferably with a beignet.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 05:41 PM (bmdz3)

182 Ah, the Low Residue Diet.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 05:42 PM (kQs4Y)

183 Ben Had - any luck with the chainsaw?

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:42 PM (BbGew)

184 overly smoked scotch"

Hmm.

How to keep it lit?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 05:43 PM (6qErC)

185 So, everybody knows that I hate to cook on Sunday afternoon, but since my husband gave the reflection-since I really can't talk about being a dad, I decided to "make" lunch. All we had was grilled cheese sandwiches and sausage gumbo soup. The soup was a from a can. (Progresso) However, we are having shish-ka bob over jasmine rice for dinner.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 05:44 PM (ahS0B)

186 The new bartender (female) at my favorite taphouse has a spectacular ass, which I believe counts as a food thread comment.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:44 PM (5xVi+)

187 Ben Had - any luck with the chainsaw?
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:42 PM (BbGew)

Is she cutting up bodies to bury them?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 05:45 PM (yWXpx)

188 I splurged today, having Manwich and tatertots

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 05:45 PM (5bZTR)

189 making meatloaf, mashed potatoes, corn on the cob, and gravy for dinner. I hope they enjoy it since I can't eat any of it....

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 05:46 PM (UUBmN)

190 Anybody have one of those green egg smokers? The grumpy grandma has her eye on one. Man! Those things are pricey.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 05:46 PM (DEYzE)

191 181 To all the folks who suggested various Black Rifle coffee styles last week, thank you. Also for the grind and brewing descriptions.

I had my first cup of their Blackbeard's Delight blend today. OMG!! So much flavor and so smooth with almost no acidity. I found myself sipping it slowly just to prolong the taste.

The only coffee I've had that compares was at an auberge in Quebec City. I usually drink coffee black but I'm going to try this blend as a cafe au lait once in a while. Preferably with a beignet.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 05:41 PM (bmdz3)
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Glad you liked it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 05:46 PM (MVjcR)

192 The only coffee I've had that compares was at an auberge in Quebec City. I usually drink coffee black but I'm going to try this blend as a cafe au lait once in a while. Preferably with a beignet.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 05:41 PM (bmdz3)

Just to emphasize what a non foodie I am I have no idea what a beignet is.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:46 PM (5xVi+)

193 I've tried the Black Rifle coffee, several blends and they were good but I still prefer my Ruta Maya dark roast.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 05:47 PM (UUBmN)

194 Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:44 PM (5xVi+)

Well, it might be stretching it a leeeetle bit unless you were planning to serve her a$$ with boiled potatoes and carrots-but we don't want to know that if you were.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 05:48 PM (ahS0B)

195 She also has great legs-athletic. That comment is also food related.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:48 PM (5xVi+)

196 I wonder if Battle Cry of Freedom is to young for 12 year old.
I think not for me

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:48 PM (BbGew)

197 Just to emphasize what a non foodie I am I have no idea what a beignet is.
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It's a french soppapilla ...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 05:49 PM (UUBmN)

198 Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:46 PM (5xVi+)

Think of a sopapilla rolled in powdered sugar, served with a cup of chicory coffee.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 05:49 PM (DEYzE)

199 Well, it might be stretching it a leeeetle bit unless you were planning to serve her a$$ with boiled potatoes and carrots-but we don't want to know that if you were.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 05:48 PM (ahS0B)

She's kind of a waitress. That makes it food related I think. Kinda

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:50 PM (5xVi+)

200
Can such things be?!
Posted by: H.P. Lovecraft at June 16, 2019 04:02 PM (kQs4Y)


I think that they would melt and disintegrate pretty quickly, so their remnants would be all over you and your clothing.

Lovely, simply lovely!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 16, 2019 05:50 PM (dPMBY)

201 Ben Had - any luck with the chainsaw?
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:42 PM (BbGew)

Is she cutting up bodies to bury them?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 16, 2019 05:45 PM (yWXpx)

High-end butcher knives and a good bone saw are the preferred tools, or so I hear. And plenty of plastic tarp.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 05:51 PM (SUV+r)

202 JTB - Black Rifle Coffee is having a 20% off everything sale for Fathers Day.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 05:52 PM (MVjcR)

203 I splurged today, having Manwich and tatertots

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby
________

(sigh)

Posted by: WaterCow at June 16, 2019 05:52 PM (ta49A)

204 Jeez, you people are inscrutable.

What's a beignet? It's a sopapilla, duh!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 05:53 PM (fuK7c)

205 192 ... "I have no idea what a beignet is."

Northernlurker, It's basically a fried doughnut (no hole) often covered in powdered sugar. The ones I've had in New England had different names but were similar and dusted in regular sugar (Portugese) or dipped in maple syrup. I estimate each one has 50 gazillion carbs.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 05:53 PM (bmdz3)

206 I was married twice and did all the shopping and cooking, was it a downfall? Yes partly, but then life happens too.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 05:54 PM (5bZTR)

207 I disclaim any knowledge of what Ben is cutting up, just that chainsaw is running but blade turning.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 05:54 PM (BbGew)

208 Skip, I got it taken apart and as AOP guessed the the on the sprocket were shot

For the food thread, 3lbs of rice have finished cooking for the doggie meals for the week.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 05:54 PM (SDVgT)

209 velveeta - I remember the worst nachos I ever had in my life was up north somewhere, they had no idea what mexican food (or tex-mex) was actually supposed to taste like, so for "nachos" they just poured out a plate of doritos and melted a block of velveeta over it.

Now if they would have added a can of Ro-tel on top, maybe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 05:54 PM (V2Yro)

210 Skip, that was supposed to be teeth.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 05:55 PM (SDVgT)

211 Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:50 PM (5xVi+)

I'm just pulling your leg, but not pulling it so much that it comes off and I need to broil it and serve it with mint jelly. The woman bartenders at the place my husband and I sometimes go to are mostly much younger and more attractive than the male ones (who really are very nice) and I enjoy talking with them sometimes. One looks like Julia Roberts . There is one handsome male bartender, but her is young enough to be my son so I don't dwell on his good looks too much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 05:55 PM (ahS0B)

212 205 192 ... "I have no idea what a beignet is."

Northernlurker, It's basically a fried doughnut (no hole) often covered in powdered sugar. The ones I've had in New England had different names but were similar and dusted in regular sugar (Portugese) or dipped in maple syrup. I estimate each one has 50 gazillion carbs.

Sometime in life you gotta go to the famous New Orleans place that's been selling the same beignet's from the same recipe since 1850, or something close to that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 05:56 PM (V2Yro)

213 Listening to "Specific Flavour" by Umek. I guess that food-related.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 05:56 PM (ta49A)

214 190 Anybody have one of those green egg smokers? The grumpy grandma has her eye on one. Man! Those things are pricey.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 05:46 PM (DEYzE)

I just picked one up about two weeks ago, So far I like it.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at June 16, 2019 05:57 PM (Rz2Nc)

215 Meant "He" (not her) is young enough to be my son.....

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2019 05:57 PM (ahS0B)

216 Anybody have one of those green egg smokers? The grumpy grandma has her eye on one. Man! Those things are pricey.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 05:46 PM

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Got one. Very nice. Would not purchase again. It's my 2d grill. My go to is my Weber gas grill.

Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 05:57 PM (ZNxqY)

217 Cafe Du Monde, I believe. Chicory coffee and beignets.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 05:57 PM (UUBmN)

218
62 Quick question. A block of velveeta cheese with expiration date of 10/18 should be good for dip right?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 04:38 PM (ZNxqY)
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2018? It's fine.

Posted by: Weasel

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Velveeta? An exper Date of 10/10 should be fine. It's still orange and not green right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup

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Since Velveeta is basically extruded plasticine clay, it should be okay.

Posted by: All Hail Eris

---------Food expires from the outside in. So just cut about 8 or 9 months worth off the outside.

Posted by: mikeyG

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Jam a blasting cap into it and use it to go take out some stumps. Waste not, want not!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 16, 2019 05:58 PM (dPMBY)

219 It's been a great crawfish season here on the SE Texas coast. A real wet winter and early spring kept the bug farmers happy and the prices steady. My oldest daughter requested a crawfish boil for her college graduation party 2-3 weeks ago and if I remember correctly I paid $1.75 a pound for a Lg/Med mix. We buy them by the sack which usually averages about 35-38 lbs a sack. It was a small party. 4 sacks for about 20 people. 5 lbs per person is usually a good guide for us webbed feet folks.

Posted by: RustyG at June 16, 2019 05:58 PM (8AvCG)

220
Hey, hogmartin, was it you who had a meeting with a slack-off contractor last week?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 16, 2019 05:59 PM (13CQC)

221 I haven't had any Black Rifle coffee, but my standard brand is Community Coffee out of Louisiana, and I suspect they have much in common with the Quebec cousins, taste wise.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 06:00 PM (V2Yro)

222 I have no idea what a beignet is.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:46

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It's kinda like a funnel cake at the fair.

Posted by: olddog in mo, Play Gloria! at June 16, 2019 06:00 PM (ZNxqY)

223 Hey everybody.

I gotta use the food thread this week to give a shout-out to Doordash. I told the story a number of ONTs ago about what happened when I tried to order Chipotle via their service.

Anyway, first Doordash gave me a $20 credit for messing up the delivery of my order. That was nice.

Just a few days ago, I got a second email from them, letting me know they're ALSO refunding the entire cost of my Chipotle order.

So I've already had one almost-free delivery from Popeyes by Doordash, since then. Now it looks like I'll get yet another almost-free delivery from Popeyes.

Gotta give 'em credit, they made up for the trouble.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:01 PM (miE9U)

224 I'd say she's actually hot but she's either granddaughter material or oops daughter material.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 06:01 PM (5xVi+)

225 In the vein of velveeta which is made from whey,

howabout Vodka made from whey?

No whey?

https://youtu.be/fQdhJHOH9CM

Posted by: Kindltot at June 16, 2019 06:01 PM (hSQmw)

226 You cut the Velveeta into chunks, deep fry it. And dip it in ranch. Kills any bacteria, and tasty too.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:01 PM (5bZTR)

227
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 06:02 PM (r3IfA)

228 The thing about Velveeta is that it should, eventually, pass through your system leaving nothing behind.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 06:02 PM (5xVi+)

229 226 You cut the Velveeta into chunks, deep fry it. And dip it in ranch. Kills any bacteria, and tasty too.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:01 PM (5bZTR)

Do you run a concession stand at the State Fair, by any chance?

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 06:03 PM (V2Yro)

230 Sopapilla/beignet/zeppoli are all basically the same thing. Delish.

Crawfish seem like way too much work for the small amount of actual food you get from each one. This opinion may be because I don't drink beer, which I notice is generally consumed in vast quantities at crawfish boils.

Regarding books for 10-12yo readers, I can recommend many! The Jungle Books come to mind.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at June 16, 2019 06:03 PM (rWZ8Y)

231 Isn't crawfish really a very close relative to crab?

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:04 PM (miE9U)

232 222 I have no idea what a beignet is.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 16, 2019 05:46

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It's the Louisiana take on a henway.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 06:04 PM (9SkN+)

233 Back in high school I used Velveeta to fix rust holes in the Falcon.

You'd use it to tack on the little bits of foil, then you cover the whole patch with more Velveeta, sand it off when it dries, and hit it with the closest matching spray paint you can find.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:04 PM (fuK7c)

234 Hey, hogmartin, was it you who had a meeting with a slack-off contractor last week?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 16, 2019 05:59 PM (13CQC)


Yep. Nothing interesting to report. He backed off because he wanted to do a snarky back-and-forth email thread and wasn't expecting to be confronted with documentation face to face. He will be back with more. It's tiresome.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:04 PM (t+qrx)

235 Posted by: Mrs. Peel at June 16, 2019 06:03 PM (rWZ8Y)

Once you master the peeling , you can consume quite a bit without it feeling like too much work.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 06:05 PM (2DOZq)

236 Ask NASA.

I love it "Low residue diet".

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 06:06 PM (lD3vL)

237 Regarding books for 10-12yo readers, I can recommend many! The Jungle Books come to mind.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at June 16, 2019 06:03 PM (rWZ8Y)

They are good but Kipling's best is Captains Courageous.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 06:07 PM (2DOZq)

238 233 Back in high school I used Velveeta to fix rust holes in the Falcon.

Sheeeat

Back in the day we made speedos outta VV

(first liar anit gotta a chance)

Posted by: REDACTED at June 16, 2019 06:07 PM (DPjeO)

239 231 Isn't crawfish really a very close relative to crab?
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:04 PM (miE9U)

well it's a crustacean, but it's much more like a lobster's mini-me.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 06:07 PM (V2Yro)

240 >>Sopapilla/beignet/zeppoli are all basically the same thing. Delish.



Aren't funnel cakes beignets similar, too? Slightly different presentation, same concept? State fair food.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 06:08 PM (W+vEI)

241 230 Mrs. Peel

If a real CoonAss is doing the cooking a cold beverage is some sort is a must.

Posted by: RustyG at June 16, 2019 06:08 PM (8AvCG)

242

Beignet on a baguette with Velveeta Vodka.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 06:09 PM (aKsyK)

243 Back in high school I used Velveeta to fix rust holes in the Falcon.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:04 PM (fuK7c)


Oldie but goodie of mine...

Everyone knows you can scrub out the toilet with Coke. But that's just scratching the surface...

**Great alternative uses for foods you probably already have in your pantry**

- You can fill in chipped grout in the bathtub/shower with Hormel Chili

- Dust your entire home with a Big Mac

- Build an entire new addition onto your home using nothing but sugar cubes

Think outside the box, people!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:09 PM (miE9U)

244 Crawfish pistolette > beignet

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 06:10 PM (2DOZq)

245 Hey, AltonJackson.

Get any practicing in today?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:10 PM (t+qrx)

246 239 231 Isn't crawfish really a very close relative to crab?
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:04 PM (miE9U)


#1 Aint crawfish blah blah blah

#2 Itz bout as near as a schmundie is to the pink star

Posted by: REDACTED at June 16, 2019 06:10 PM (DPjeO)

247 A funnel cake is a batter poured into hot oil through a funnel to cook.
A beignet is more like a dough you roll out thin then cut into squares then deep fry.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 06:11 PM (UUBmN)

248 Take one of those cheap biscuit rounds, the kind that you smack against the edge of the counter to open. Fry em and dust with confection sugar, redneck donut.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:11 PM (5bZTR)

249
not yet, just finishing up my "adulting" chores...the plan is to spend a little quality time with it this evening

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 06:12 PM (r3IfA)

250 Think outside the box, people!!
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:09 PM (miE9U)

Cinnamon Life cereal and milk. Let it set for a while to get good and mushy.

Viola! You have stucco!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 06:12 PM (SUV+r)

251 Kipling's Puck of Pook's Hill is awesome, too!
I just saw that people are still posting on the book thread so I'll put my comment there.

Posted by: Brunette the 'Ette at June 16, 2019 06:13 PM (adsVM)

252 Pug, there ya go! ;-)
Also works with mueslix cereal.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:13 PM (miE9U)

253 The only coffee I've had that compares was at an auberge in Quebec City.
I usually drink coffee black but I'm going to try this blend as a cafe
au lait once in a while. Preferably with a beignet.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 05:41 PM (bmdz3)


Every time I see "auberge" I think eggplant.

I am aware that eggplant is actually "aubergine", but when someone mentions staying at or visiting an auberge, I still think of it as a giant purple thing like . . . Jacques and the Giant Eggplant.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 16, 2019 06:13 PM (hSQmw)

254 You can use the giant shredded wheat biscuits as scouring pads in a bind...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 06:13 PM (UUBmN)

255 lin-duh. I'm thinking some sopapilla would go well at the MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 06:13 PM (SDVgT)

256 lin-duh, another great suggestion ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:14 PM (miE9U)

257 lin-duh. I'm thinking some sopapilla would go well at the MoMe.
Posted by: Ben Had
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As long as you aren't recruiting me to make it....

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 06:15 PM (UUBmN)

258 I'd rather have fried bluegil caught with a cane pole in an 8 foot john boat. That's just the way I .....float.

Posted by: The Illinois Kid at June 16, 2019 06:15 PM (sab7V)

259 I know that Green Acres had at least a few jokes about how useful Lisa's cooking was for farm equipment repairs.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:15 PM (miE9U)

260 They are good but Kipling's best is Captains Courageous.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 06:07 PM (2DOZq)

that's the only movie where I actually liked Spencer Tracy.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 06:15 PM (V2Yro)

261 lin-duh, No, I'll do it.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 06:16 PM (SDVgT)

262 >> A funnel cake is a batter poured into hot oil through a funnel to cook.
A beignet is more like a dough you roll out thin then cut into squares then deep fry.

Ah. Thanks!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 06:16 PM (W+vEI)

263 Hi AltonJackson!

Sorry my gun-fu was weak that day. *hangs head in shame*

Perhaps again some other time?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:16 PM (kQs4Y)

264 Anybody have one of those green egg smokers?

I've had one of the competing brand (Kamado Joe) for several years, and when it comes to grilling, you just can't beat it. Yeah, they're pricey, but clay pot cooking combined with charcoal grilling, nothing finer.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 16, 2019 06:19 PM (7s3Gx)

265 Hey, gun thread isn't up yet!

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 06:19 PM (UUBmN)

266 Every time I see "auberge" I think eggplant.

I am aware that eggplant is actually "aubergine", but when someone mentions staying at or visiting an auberge, I still think of it as a giant purple thing like . . . Jacques and the Giant Eggplant.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 16, 2019 06:13 PM (hSQmw)


I know what you mean. I had to look it up, and it doesn't look like they're related.

http://tinyurl.com/y24lxh8l
http://tinyurl.com/y3k3grlf

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:19 PM (t+qrx)

267 Showed the meat toolbox picture to the Missus. Much laughter. The good kind.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at June 16, 2019 06:20 PM (k3g2v)

268
They are good but Kipling's best is Captains Courageous.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation

that's the only movie where I actually liked Spencer Tracy.
Posted by: Tom Servo


The Western version isn't bad, either.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043389

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 06:20 PM (aKsyK)

269 I'm going to Albuquerque on the 27 for my birthday, got sopapilla written all over it.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:21 PM (5bZTR)

270
you gun-fu was fine, Eris

once you're made your triumphant return to the mitten kingdom (repleat with palm fronds, rose petals, All Hail, etc.) we should make Moron Range Day a regular thing

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 06:23 PM (r3IfA)

271 The mahi is going on the grill, just in time for the lightning and thunder show. But....no rain.....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 06:23 PM (DEYzE)

272 *when the book thread seeps into the food thread, creating a rich sauces*

Loved Captains Courageous. I was late in finding Kipling, but he is certainly one of my favorite authors. First novel of his I read was Kim, which was brilliant.

The Light that Failed was a different experience, one of his later works, I think; a bit dark. Heh.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 06:24 PM (SUV+r)

273 Story at HotAir: "In the future, you could be seated in an airplane's wings."

And if the wing falls off during your flight...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:24 PM (miE9U)

274 265 Hey, gun thread isn't up yet!
Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 06:19 PM (UUBmN)
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Oh shit!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 06:25 PM (MVjcR)

275 I'm going to Albuquerque on the 27 for my birthday, got sopapilla written all over it.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:21 PM (5bZTR)


Don't forget to stop for aubergine at the Albuquerque Auberge.

The original is on the south side of town. The authentic austral Albuquerque Auberge aubergine.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:25 PM (t+qrx)

276 once you're made your triumphant return to the mitten kingdom (repleat with palm fronds, rose petals, All Hail, etc.) we should make Moron Range Day a regular thing
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 06:23 PM (r3IfA)


Hear, hear.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:25 PM (t+qrx)

277
What kind of stupid a'hole manufacturer creates a shower faucet whose handle is held in place using a METRIC Allen wrench?

Curse you! Curse you to hell!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 16, 2019 06:26 PM (dPMBY)

278 The mahi is going on the grill,


Is it dolphin-free mahi?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:26 PM (fuK7c)

279 Actual future:

In the future, passengers will be freeze-dried and packed into tiny tin cans pre-boarding an airplane to maintain the absolute maximum space.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:26 PM (miE9U)

280 Story at HotAir: "In the future, you could be seated in an airplane's wings."

And if the wing falls off during your flight...


Then you're equally as screwed as the people seated in the fuselage?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 06:26 PM (qc+VF)

281 >>Don't forget to stop for aubergine at the Albuquerque Auberge.

The original is on the south side of town. The authentic austral Albuquerque Auberge aubergine.




An audacious agenda!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 06:26 PM (W+vEI)

282 An audacious agenda!
Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 06:26 PM (W+vEI)


August is auspicious for aubergine, I hear.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:27 PM (t+qrx)

283
Off to get metric Allen wrenches and some fish and chips. Yeah, I'm batching it in Sussex County for Dads' Day. I do what I like and I like what I do!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 16, 2019 06:28 PM (dPMBY)

284
Story at HotAir: "In the future, you could be seated in an airplane's wings."

And if the wing falls off during your flight...
Posted by: qdpsteve


Doesn't much matter where you are sitting if the wing falls off.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 06:28 PM (aKsyK)

285 >>Is it dolphin-free mahi?

Mahi love pa.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 16, 2019 06:29 PM (PxX58)

286 August is an august auger for the auberge aubergine.

You can't really trust July.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:29 PM (fuK7c)

287 265 Hey, gun thread isn't up yet!
Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 06:19 PM (UUBmN)
------
Oh shit!
Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 06:25 PM (MVjcR)

*sounds of spilled beer, running feet, slamming doors muttered curses*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 06:29 PM (SUV+r)

288 Concur, Alton! And thanks!

I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the clay pidgeon shooting. What was the 20-gauge shotgun? Me likey.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:29 PM (kQs4Y)

289
Then you're equally as screwed as the people seated in the fuselage?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 06:26 PM (qc+VF)


More screwed, as you have a greater opportunity to be covered in jet fuel marinade when you bottom out at 32 ft per s per s.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 16, 2019 06:30 PM (dPMBY)

290 I noticed "Mexican Food" is way different in Albuquerque than here in socal

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:30 PM (5bZTR)

291 231 Isn't crawfish really a very close relative to crab?
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:04 PM (miE9U)


---------

Vic used to catch trilobites and steam them when he was a kid.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 06:30 PM (9SkN+)

292 That clamsicle was a joke - the person who made it couldn't say why, and refused to eat it.

When Bostonians want to screw something up, they do it with style!
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3wdsv4q (Boston poutine problem)

Posted by: pnut butter lobster at June 16, 2019 06:30 PM (K1IUD)

293 You can't really trust July.

Or Monday. But Spring Can Really Hang You Up the Most.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 06:31 PM (qc+VF)

294 Oh, and the flintlock. Loved the nice big holes it punched out of the target, plus no kickback.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:31 PM (kQs4Y)

295 I noticed "Mexican Food" is way different in Albuquerque than here in socal
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:30 PM (5bZTR)

Yup. New Mexican. My favorite local restaurant here in CO calls their cuisine New Mexican. Family hales from NM.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 06:32 PM (SUV+r)

296 Eris!
I didn't realize you were a shootrix!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 06:32 PM (MVjcR)

297
What was the 20-gauge shotgun? Me likey.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:29 PM


that there were a Mossberg 500 20ga

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 06:32 PM (r3IfA)

298 278 Bandersnach

Hey Flipper, stay away from the figgin' net, ya moron!

Posted by: ibguy at June 16, 2019 06:33 PM (EHVbt)

299 Was up at the northern casa this week. Smoker is at the southern casa. I had three racks of ribs. Using a regular Weber grill, I inverted a cast iron pot over a pile of coals and sprinkled hickory chips on top and around the pot. It was just hot enough to produce smoke, but not hot enough to burn. Had to finish them off in the oven, but not bad. Redneck ingenuity.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 06:33 PM (gC2IV)

300 Hey Flipper, stay away from the figgin' net, ya moron!


Was fish joke. Mahi mahi used to be called dophin, or dolphinfish to distinguish them from Flipper.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:34 PM (fuK7c)

301 I think mahi mahi is a Hawaiian word but when it started to be popularized even people on the east coast were like thank god we don't have to explain that it's not Flipper anymore, so now everyone calls them mahi.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:36 PM (fuK7c)

302 300 Bandesnatch

I know, was tuna joke.

Posted by: ibguy at June 16, 2019 06:36 PM (EHVbt)

303 so now everyone calls them mahi.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:36 PM (fuK7c)


When everyone started calling it mahi, they started calling it mahu in Hawaii. True connoisseurs insist on the genuine article and ask for it by name.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:39 PM (t+qrx)

304 301 I think mahi mahi is a Hawaiian word but when it started to be popularized even people on the east coast were like thank god we don't have to explain that it's not Flipper anymore, so now everyone calls them mahi.

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They used to be called dorado.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 06:40 PM (9SkN+)

305 Grilled mahi makes for some mighty fine fish tacos, if theres any leftover.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2019 06:40 PM (DEYzE)

306 Happy Father's day to all the Moron dads. Hope it was a great day!

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 16, 2019 06:40 PM (dm05u)

307 Last time I went to visit Mom in Albuquerque, we went and got a Frito pie. I didn't know that they those there,, they always complain about the Texans coming over. But the money is welcome I'm sure.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:41 PM (5bZTR)

308 Another family bbq under the belt. BBQ'd chicken and pork steaks (both w/ different rubs), with baked black beans, pasta salad, insalata caprese, broccoli salad, garlic bread and some zoodle salad nephew and wife brought (low carbers). Oh and father's day/2 birthday's cake.

I'm pooped.

Posted by: Tami at June 16, 2019 06:41 PM (cF8AT)

309
so, should I go swap out the headlamp in the commuter-mobile now or should I wait until it starts raining?

BRB

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 06:41 PM (r3IfA)

310 When everyone started calling it mahi, they started calling it mahu in Hawaii.


Did they really? Jeebuz, everyone has to be cooler than thou.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:41 PM (fuK7c)

311 When everyone started calling it mahi, they started calling it mahu in Hawaii. True connoisseurs insist on the genuine article and ask for it by name.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:39 PM (t+qrx)

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Mahus are what you'd find on Hotel St. in Honolulu.

Posted by: SMH at June 16, 2019 06:42 PM (RU4sa)

312 Grilled mahi makes for some mighty fine fish tacos, if theres any leftover.

Was just lighting the grill for burgers and you had to go and fling a cravin' on me. Ah well, maybe next weekend.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 06:42 PM (qc+VF)

313 when i was little we'd ride our ponies a couple miles to the creek. once we spied crawdads, we brought a bucket the next time and hauled in sixty. it was really fun to bring home din for the parents to cook up.

no sucking of the brains though, strictly tail.

Posted by: trapper's girl at June 16, 2019 06:42 PM (BQJef)

314 When Bostonians want to screw something up, they do it with style!
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3wdsv4q (Boston poutine problem)
Posted by: pnut butter lobster at June 16, 2019 06:30 PM

Seriously. Have you seen Beacon Hill?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 16, 2019 06:43 PM (Vzb0I)

315 They used to be called dorado.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 06:40 PM (9SkN+

Yup....old fish charts I had always called them "Dorado".

Mahi Mahi is just some made up name to charge you more.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 06:43 PM (Z+IKu)

316 Did they really? Jeebuz, everyone has to be cooler than thou.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:41 PM (fuK7c)


No, it was a bad joke. Please do not go to Hawaii and ask for mahu, especially not after dark.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:43 PM (t+qrx)

317 For Father's Day Mrs. Mahon is cooking dinner. She is an excellent cook, but that does not stop me from hovering (I do most of the food prep in our home). She is refraining from stomping on my foot and elbowing my ribs.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 06:43 PM (SUV+r)

318 lol hogmartin

Posted by: SMH at June 16, 2019 06:43 PM (RU4sa)

319 The females are mahrixen.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 06:43 PM (9SkN+)

320 Mom spent a lot of childhood years in NM. She used to make NM red enchiladas and her own sauce. yum, yum. I've been craving some, but not until the cooler is working again.

Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 06:44 PM (xzK3J)

321 No, it was a bad joke. Please do not go to Hawaii and ask for mahu, especially not after dark.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:43 PM (t+qrx)

*nods*

Rule 34

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 06:45 PM (SUV+r)

322 My husband grew up in Louisiana. Went crawdaddin' a lot from the stories I've heard.

Posted by: Tami at June 16, 2019 06:45 PM (cF8AT)

323 The females are mahrixen.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 06:43 PM (9SkN+)


Mahus lack sexual dimorphism.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:45 PM (t+qrx)

324 Dorado is one of those names that has been applied to multiple unrelated species of fish. Including Mahi.


No, it was a bad joke. Please do not go to Hawaii and ask for mahu, especially not after dark.


Oh. There's a Michigan-Hawaii vortex that produces jokes only two morons get.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:47 PM (fuK7c)

325 During college I spent a summer on an ashram learning from a mahu.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 06:47 PM (9SkN+)

326 Best thing about ABQ is Wright's Indian Jewelry.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 06:47 PM (SDVgT)

327 Weasel, I stink like last year's Velveeta (but without the wang).

I had lots of fun, though.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:48 PM (kQs4Y)

328 Dorado here, some call it dolphin still

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:48 PM (5bZTR)

329 The Top Hat in Wahiawa serves great mahu after 2 a.m.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:49 PM (kQs4Y)

330 The Top Hat in Wahiawa serves great mahu after 2 a.m.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:49 PM (kQs4Y)


The freshest anywhere.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:50 PM (t+qrx)

331 Trump tweeted this today. Video...lots of 2016 election night clips in it.

Posted by: Tami at June 16, 2019 06:50 PM (cF8AT)

332 Tonight its whole wheat pasta frittata with roasted tomato mushroom sauce.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 06:50 PM (EZebt)

333 https://tinyurl.com/yxe4lsgm


Duh

Posted by: Tami at June 16, 2019 06:50 PM (cF8AT)

334 During college I spent a summer on an ashram learning from a mahu.
Posted by: Cicero

Mahu-Mahu is really dolphin, right? The fish kind?

Posted by: Miklos, perusing the ashram menu at June 16, 2019 06:50 PM (QzkSJ)

335
I had lots of fun, though.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:48 PM (kQs4Y)
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Shucks! I could have taken you shooting!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 06:50 PM (MVjcR)

336 The Top Hat in Wahiawa serves great mahu after 2 a.m.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:49 PM (kQs4Y)

The freshest anywhere.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 06:50 PM (t+qrx)

The stink-lines are visible.

And sentient.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 06:51 PM (SUV+r)

337 I though this was a vegan ashram.

Posted by: Miklos, well intentioned dunce at June 16, 2019 06:52 PM (QzkSJ)

338 Was Sting there?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 06:52 PM (5bZTR)

339 Eris, we'd love to have you come shoot in TX.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 06:53 PM (SDVgT)

340 Mahu-Mahu is really dolphin, right? The fish kind?


This turned into a lexicology thread. Mahu is a Hawaiian word for person of intermediate gender.

Mahi mahi is dolphin the fish which is sometimes dorado but sometimes dorado is something else.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 06:53 PM (fuK7c)

341 Was Sting there?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

With Link Wray.

Posted by: Miklos, at the bar too long waiting for the buzzer thingy at June 16, 2019 06:53 PM (QzkSJ)

342 Mahu is a Hawaiian word for person of intermediate gender.


I think I did well on the advanced gender exam.

Posted by: Miklos, thinking about his 8th grade teacher, the miniskirt one at June 16, 2019 06:55 PM (QzkSJ)

343 Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 06:53 PM (SDVgT)

Ben, I don't think I will be able to make this year's Texas MoMee as I will be in transition.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:56 PM (kQs4Y)

344

reemmber PHILADELPHIA CREAM CHEESE?

Great on Bagels.

Do they make that stuff in a squeezable tube, yet?

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 06:57 PM (+YYCN)

345

btw, is there any cheese in cream cheese in the silver tin foil brand?

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 06:57 PM (+YYCN)

346 So burning American flag, ok


Burning rainbow flag = fucking jail



?????


Posted by: Yo! at June 16, 2019 06:58 PM (Kk/yR)

347 reemmber PHILADELPHIA CREAM CHEESE?

Great on Bagels.

Do they make that stuff in a squeezable tube, yet?
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 06:57 PM (+YYCN)

Uh, maybe? Might have been a dream, though. Love that stuff.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Sniper at June 16, 2019 06:58 PM (SUV+r)

348
Fook
Wrong thread

Posted by: Yo! at June 16, 2019 06:59 PM (Kk/yR)

349 Do they make that stuff in a squeezable tube, yet?
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate

You're thinking Pittsburg Cheez-Yinz.

Posted by: Miklos, possibly correct at June 16, 2019 06:59 PM (QzkSJ)

350 Do they make that stuff in a squeezable tube, yet?
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 06:57 PM (+YYCN)

Not in tubes, but they do have squeezable pouches.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 07:00 PM (kQs4Y)

351 Are you watching the warm sunny California coastline that is Pebble Beach today?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 07:00 PM (5bZTR)

352 In the future, passengers will be freeze-dried and
packed into tiny tin cans pre-boarding an airplane to maintain the
absolute maximum space.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 16, 2019 06:26 PM (miE9U)


I mean, right? How else would one visit Yuggoth?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 16, 2019 07:00 PM (hSQmw)

353 Eris, best wishes for your move.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2019 07:00 PM (SDVgT)

354 Not in tubes, but they do have squeezable pouches.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

Breakfast of astronauts!

Posted by: Miklos, having a Tang and vodka at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (QzkSJ)

355 Gun thread is NOOD

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (BbGew)

356 Not in tubes, but they do have squeezable pouches.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

Breakfast of astronauts!
Posted by: Miklos, having a Tang and vodka at June 16, 2019 07:01 PM (QzkSJ)


Low-residue!

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 07:02 PM (t+qrx)

357 Not in tubes, but they do have squeezable pouches.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

So do most women.

Posted by: Miklos, making an observation at June 16, 2019 07:02 PM (QzkSJ)

358 They have red and green tapitio cream cheese here now.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 16, 2019 07:02 PM (5bZTR)

359 Go ahead and get your tube of cream cheese and your toothpaste mixed up.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 07:02 PM (gC2IV)

360 Breakfast of astronauts!

Posted by: Miklos, having a Tang and vodka



That would make it cosmonauts.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:02 PM (fuK7c)

361 > as I will be in transition.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 06:56 PM (kQs4Y)

What may you be transitioning into? Chrysalis is a big f'ng deal!

Posted by: pnut butter lobster at June 16, 2019 07:02 PM (K1IUD)

362 i'm making flash fried walleye that we caught three weeks ago, along with onion rings, deep fried mushrooms and zucchini.

Posted by: trapper's girl at June 16, 2019 07:03 PM (BQJef)

363 That would make it cosmonauts.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

The Hungarians had Space Booze. In a tube.

Posted by: Miklos, who tried some at June 16, 2019 07:03 PM (QzkSJ)

364 remember PHILADELPHIA CREAM CHEESE?

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics
________

It's great on non-bagel foodstuffs, too.

(BTW, it's named after Philadelphia, New York. Gotta give props to America's real dairyland.)

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 07:03 PM (ta49A)

365 Also BTW: Guns are n00d.

(You can stay here or you can go there. Guns vs. butter.)

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 07:06 PM (ta49A)

366 Pennsylvania has more than it's share of dairy farms

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 07:10 PM (BbGew)

367 OK -- everyone went over there. Happy to kill the thread.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 07:11 PM (ta49A)

368 Pennsylvania has more than it's share of dairy farms


How many do you think it should have? Should the share of dairy farms be controlled by democratic processes or expert regulators?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 07:16 PM (fuK7c)

369 To supply what the state needs

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 08:04 PM (BbGew)

370
i'm making flash fried walleye that we caught three weeks ago, along with onion rings, deep fried mushrooms and zucchini.

Posted by: trapper's girl

...............
dayum! sounds good!
and I'm not really hungry.. I had the girls over today and grilled.. spatchcoked chicken, pork tenderloin and some filet kabobbed.. damn good
but yours sounds good too!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 16, 2019 09:23 PM (438dO)

371 thnx Chi-Town Jerry!...Happy Father's Day to you too!

Posted by: trapper's girl at June 16, 2019 09:45 PM (BQJef)

Free Speech Is Free Speech Is Free Speech: We Don't Get To Choose!

Sorry, but this is just stupid. Burning an American flag, while offensive to many (including me), is obviously a protected expression of a political opinion, and the idea that it should be illegal is illogical, irrational, and just plain embarrassing.



"We had to destroy the village to save it" is not wise public policy. A vibrant public square, in which all ideas are fair game for criticism, but none are prohibited, is the best way to convince the body politic that free markets and limited government and freedom of expression and religion are absolutely the pinnacle of political philosophy. Limiting speech from one side of the debate eases the way for exactly the same thing from the other side when they return to power.
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Posted by: mallfly the Peach of the MSM at June 16, 2019 02:42 PM (ZqRa6)

2 Exactly so

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at June 16, 2019 02:44 PM (6HQop)

3

Workers at Volkswagen's plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee, have voted against forming a union.

A win would have offered the United Auto Workers its first fully organized, foreign-owned auto assembly plant in the traditionally anti-union South.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 02:44 PM (aKsyK)

4 Is it possible he's trolling the left by trying to get them to advocate for free speech?

Posted by: windbag at June 16, 2019 02:45 PM (tKktY)

5 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 02:46 PM (JvvIt)

6

Amendment vs Amendment

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 02:46 PM (aKsyK)

7 So now we get to see the left come out and defend "offensive speech", to stay on the opposite side of Trump?

(but only THEIR offensive and/or anti-American speech is allowed, will be their spin, I suppose)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 02:47 PM (Cus5s)

8 Flag burning ain't speech - it's an action!

I can't kick my neighbor's dog or kid and claim it's free speech.

Leftist judge was wrong as heck.

Posted by: Sibyl S at June 16, 2019 02:48 PM (N7aHX)

9 Burning the American Flag is HATE SPEECH!!!

NEW RULES.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 16, 2019 02:50 PM (pw+jk)

10 It's an incitement and profanity . Both which are not protected speech. They are not burning the flag as political speech. They burn the flag for the same purpose as someone intends when they spit on you. It's not setting forth a political position that allows a rebuttal. Further I never understood the logic that burning the flag is political speech. It's a physical action . Same illogical basis that giving money to politicians is speech.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:52 PM (2DOZq)

11 That video always makes me smile.

Posted by: NativeNH at June 16, 2019 02:52 PM (dtRY5)

12 I hate it when Trump gets sucked into stupid shit like this.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at June 16, 2019 02:52 PM (jWe5r)

13 I just want to have my punching out the guy burning the flag be free speech.

Posted by: teh Wind at June 16, 2019 02:54 PM (iccf2)

14 I agree 100%, CBD.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:54 PM (A2Uq6)

15 Is it legal to burn currency?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:54 PM (2DOZq)

16 Hmm. Any Ghey Pride flags been burned? What would the reaction be?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 02:55 PM (/dN1M)

17 Uh, the Boy Scouts used to dispose of worn out US flags by burning. That way, the flag would never be used as a rag or in a similarly disrespectful fashion.

Posted by: chuckR at June 16, 2019 02:55 PM (bRvKP)

18 Is burning a cigarette free speech?

Posted by: Sjg at June 16, 2019 02:56 PM (gDSJf)

19 Is it legal to burn currency?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation
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No, it isn't, because not your property. It's only on loan.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 02:56 PM (/dN1M)

20 4 Is it possible he's trolling the left by trying to get them to advocate for free speech?
Posted by: windbag at June 16, 2019 02:45 PM (tKktY)


You have to wonder. He's a master at heightening the contradictions in leftist positions.

Then again, maybe he's just striking a pose to appeal to patriotic types who haven't thought this through.

Or maybe he's just quacking like Chiang.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:56 PM (A2Uq6)

21 It's an incitement and profanity .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:52 PM (2DOZq)

It is neither. It is obviously political discourse.


Who is being incited to do what? And how can the burning of a symbol be obscene.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 02:56 PM (wYseH)

22 19 Is it legal to burn currency?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation
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No, it isn't, because not your property. It's only on loan.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 02:56 PM (/dN1M)

Is it legal to burn a cross on your property?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:57 PM (2DOZq)

23 16 Hmm. Any Ghey Pride flags been burned? What would the reaction be?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 02:55 PM (/dN1M)


I wondered the same thing. I'd love to see someone do that.

Also the UN flag.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:57 PM (A2Uq6)

24 The proper way to handle this is to make flag burning an affirmative defense for simple assualt.

Posted by: Jean at June 16, 2019 02:57 PM (7WozP)

25 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 02:56 PM (wYseH)

See cross burning

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (2DOZq)

26 I guess he could have stayed out of this, but I think he genuinely loves this flag and all it stands for

Posted by: It's me donna at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (O2RFr)

27 Uh, the Boy Scouts used to dispose of worn out US flags by burning. That way, the flag would never be used as a rag or in a similarly disrespectful fashion.
Posted by: chuckR
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They still conduct 'Retirement' ceremonies. They take care of mine, about once a year, after they become frayed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (/dN1M)

28 Is it possible he's trolling the left by trying to get them to advocate for free speech?


Posted by: windbag at June 16, 2019 02:45 PM (tKktY)

That is a very interesting question. I doubt it, but I certainly hope that I am wrong.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (wYseH)

29 burning the Koran or drawing Muhammad ... also protected, except you may have to live in hiding from the imported jihadists.


Last time someone tried to make a public spectacle of burning a koran, or putting it in a toilet ... all hell broke out against them. But "piss Christ" gets public funding as brave art/speech. (cuz one in history has ever trashed Christianity before /s)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (Cus5s)

30 A flag burner is sawing on a branch he is standing on. Maybe he's dumb, maybe he's an anarchist.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (Nz4oZ)

31 I'm fine either way. An amendment is so limited in scope and so difficult to pass that ratifying one to protect the flag poses no danger to free speech generally. I'm also fine is one is not passed. But there's no parallel with the left's behavior, which tries to punish and forbid speech it does not like without doing the hard work of securing a constitutional amendment (because the left could not secure one).

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (H5knJ)

32 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 02:56 PM (wYseH)

I say it is. I guess we're at a stand off.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (2DOZq)

33
Burn a Rainbow flag and see what happens.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 02:59 PM (Wx/+I)

34 no one in history ... not "one"

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 02:59 PM (Cus5s)

35 See cross burning

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (2DOZq)

Also protected speech. Just don't burn it on my lawn or I will shoot you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 02:59 PM (wYseH)

36 Try wearing a MAGA hat

Posted by: It's me donna at June 16, 2019 02:59 PM (O2RFr)

37 28 Is it possible he's trolling the left by trying to get them to advocate for free speech?

Posted by: windbag at June 16, 2019 02:45 PM (tKktY)

That is a very interesting question. I doubt it, but I certainly hope that I am wrong.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (wYseH)


The thing is, they probably aren't sure themselves. He's played the rope-a-dope on them so many times now that I bet they're leery of wading in without some careful consideration.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:59 PM (A2Uq6)

38 From the US Flag Code: (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

Posted by: Ironwood at June 16, 2019 03:00 PM (n5L++)

39 35 See cross burning

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (2DOZq)

Also protected speech. Just don't burn it on my lawn or I will shoot you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 02:59 PM (wYseH)

No it's not. The Supreme Court ruled that states can ban cross burnings.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:00 PM (2DOZq)

40 No law should be created to impinge on free speech, even symbolic speech. Besides, you can just track down the commie bastard and beat the shit out of him later.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 03:00 PM (m79Dg)

41 Burning the flag isn't speech. It's action. It's also incitement to violence, which is never protected by the first amendment.

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at June 16, 2019 03:01 PM (F8/jl)

42 38 From the US Flag Code: (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

That's it... The flag burners are just going by the US flag code

Posted by: It's me donna at June 16, 2019 03:01 PM (O2RFr)

43 The Supreme Court ruled that states can ban cross burnings.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:00 PM (2DOZq)

They struck down a Virginia law outlawing it. That's all I could find at short notice.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:02 PM (wYseH)

44 From the US Flag Code: (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
Posted by: Ironwood
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One of the scouts in the local troop complained that burning a nylon flag would produce toxic pollution.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 03:02 PM (Ou6XS)

45 Actually, they struck down part of the law. They left standing the part where its intent is to intimidate, or something like that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:03 PM (wYseH)

46 One of the scouts in the local troop complained that burning a nylon flag would produce toxic pollution.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

So didja set him on fire ?

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 03:04 PM (JvvIt)

47 Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:00 PM (2DOZq)

And all of a sudden the SCOTUS is the arbiter of all? How about abortion? You on board with Roe vs. Wade?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:05 PM (wYseH)

48 re 3: Sen Sanders has (several times actually) proposed a bill to (a) eliminate the secret ballot needed to certify the union as the workers' official representative and (b) eliminate right to work laws
a true friend of the working man

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of the MSM at June 16, 2019 03:05 PM (ZqRa6)

49 Agreed. Trump needs to forget about these stupid showboating amendments and start doing something about actual violations on our free speech by big tech.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 03:06 PM (H8QX8)

50 I hate it when Trump gets sucked into stupid shit like this.

I've gotten used to him Trumping into a meaningless popular position.
It'll gain more votes than it loses and even if something happens it's irrelevant to any of the current Nation Ending Crises.

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 03:06 PM (FhXTo)

51 I'm not going to look into it, but somehow, burning a cross never made any sense to me, using *any* reasoning.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 03:06 PM (/dN1M)

52 I thought we were against hate speech....

Posted by: Uncle Pinochet's Heli Tours at June 16, 2019 03:06 PM (Ayk4B)

53 47 Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:00 PM (2DOZq)

And all of a sudden the SCOTUS is the arbiter of all? How about abortion? You on board with Roe vs. Wade?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:05 PM (wYseH)

Aw because I disagree with you you have to bring up a disgusting illogical comparison that had nothing to do with my point about flag burning as an incitement. I'm done with you.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:07 PM (2DOZq)

54 Part of me agrees with you, CBD.

The other part of me says the culture war is total war. You either fight to win or you don't.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 03:07 PM (ta49A)

55 a noose or burning cross near a black person ... has that been ruled "hate speech" and illegal? It would surely get a student expelled (but they are all faked). But would it count as "provocation" if the black target punched the KKK burner or noose placer?

idk, but judges would at least be sympathetic, but a flag burner in front of a Trump crowd, or at a Vet's memorial service ... would not count as provocation, is my guess.


Oberlin maybe moved us toward slander against white people not being legal, or at least not being civilly protected. (I'm not clear on the difference, but I think Oberlin lady did not break a law, but committed a tort, allowing civil action?)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 03:09 PM (Cus5s)

56 the Boy Scouts used to dispose of worn out US flags by burning

There were so many for a few years post 9/11 that the local library had a specific disposal bin.

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 03:09 PM (FhXTo)

57 One of the scouts in the local troop complained that burning a nylon flag would produce toxic pollution.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

So didja set him on fire ?
Posted by: JT
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It brought into question his Fire Building Merit Badge.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 03:09 PM (/dN1M)

58 The VFW has also had flag retirement services.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 03:10 PM (/dN1M)

59 Have OSHA or some other agency declare flags must be made from fireproof material. Problem solved.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 03:10 PM (MVjcR)

60 One of the scouts in the local troop complained that burning a nylon flag would produce toxic pollution.
Posted by: Mike Hammer


So he didn't get the chemistry merit badge, obviously.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 03:10 PM (A2Uq6)

61 First - I feel no duty to respect the "free speech" rights of others who not only do not respect or acknowledge mine, but are actively suppressing mine. Reciprocity is a thing.

Second - at what point does this cease to be speech, political or otherwise, but instead a display of cultural dominance and intimidation of an alien culture over ours? Especially since said culture holds values diametrically opposed to ours? Including the subject of basic rights?

There is a principle I keep going back to, one where you apply rules appropriate to the behavior displayed. It applies in trade among nations and in what a nation expects of those within its borders. You can't treat barbarians and mortal enemies the same as loyal citizens. It just does not work. One would think this would be obvious by now, but I guess there's a reason I'm used to disappointment.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 16, 2019 03:10 PM (lLeln)

62 One of the scouts in the local troop complained that burning a nylon flag would produce toxic pollution.


Tell him it identifies as being cotton.

Posted by: Bert G at June 16, 2019 03:11 PM (OMsf+)

63 Oberlin maybe moved us toward slander against white people not being legal, or at least not being civilly protected. (I'm not clear on the difference, but I think Oberlin lady harridan did not break a law, but committed a tort, allowing civil action?)
Posted by: illiniwek
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 03:11 PM (/dN1M)

64 The Supreme Court discovered that burning the flag was speech in the 60's. At that time, most types of "disrespect" of the US flag were illegal because of state laws.

I used to agree with this decision, because some kinds of conduct are in fact "speech" for first amendment purposes. More recently, however, I have come to realize that this decision is actually part of an overall attack on nationalism and patriotism. This act is actually closer to spitting in someone's face than it is to speech.

Posted by: RecklessDisregard at June 16, 2019 03:12 PM (sb5kE)

65 Tell him it identifies as being cotton.
Posted by: Bert G
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Pretty sure that's rayciss.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 03:12 PM (/dN1M)

66 51
I'm not going to look into it, but somehow, burning a cross never made any sense to me, using *any* reasoning.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 03:06 PM (/dN1M)

+++I have never understood the significance of burning a cross, either. What is it supposed to imply?

Posted by: washrivergal at June 16, 2019 03:13 PM (Kcf2u)

67 Rick Monday is a war criminal who violated the free speech rights of red-blooded patriotic American citizens!

Posted by: Cuckshed Courier at June 16, 2019 03:15 PM (gDSJf)

68 I have never understood the significance of burning a cross, either. What is it supposed to imply?
Posted by: washrivergal


Dumbness ?

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 03:15 PM (JvvIt)

69 Aw because I disagree with you you have to bring up a
disgusting illogical comparison that had nothing to do with my point
about flag burning as an incitement. I'm done with you.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:07 PM (2DOZq)

You cited the Supreme Court as the final word. I asked whether you also accept their abortion decision. I think that is a reasonable question, but please, run off in a huff.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:15 PM (wYseH)

70 Chinese woman almost stomps turtle eggs in Florida, horrendous felony. American killing a human being at 8 months gestation, meh.

Posted by: Bernie sanders at June 16, 2019 03:16 PM (QLZK6)

71 Can I burn a rainbow flag and not have my life destroyed in the process?

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:16 PM (nWmg2)

72 And all of a sudden the SCOTUS is the arbiter of all? How about abortion? You on board with Roe vs. Wade?

IIRC, (and I'm not looking it up), it was Thomas who was at the forefront of saying oh no cross burning is different. I give him some deference there.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 03:17 PM (fuK7c)

73 i'm probably an outlier here, but burn the flag, fine. but I expect another persons actions to defend it also free speech .

Posted by: willow at June 16, 2019 03:17 PM (r/xAU)

74
IIRC, the Brandenburg doctrine says that even incitement is protected unless there's an imminent danger of violence. It's been the free speech doctrine for nearly 50 years and I think it's a good one.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 03:18 PM (Wx/+I)

75 Yeah, I hate to see the flag getting burned -- it's a childish tantrum -- but this is America and we don't bestow magical properties to icons. It's the idea that is sacred.

Let the idiots burn the flag and reveal themselves, so we'll know.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 03:18 PM (kQs4Y)

76 Chinese woman almost stomps turtle eggs in Florida, horrendous felony.

Posted by: Bernie sanders at June 16, 2019 03:16 PM (QLZK6)

Her actions are protected speech!

Posted by: Flag Burner Logic at June 16, 2019 03:20 PM (tVQUs)

77 How about that dumbass Senator propose an Amendment to abolish the income tax, or repeal the NFA or reciprocity for CCW's.

You know, something useful instead of the nonsense of an 8 year old.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 03:20 PM (Z+IKu)

78 Cross burning as a Klan hate symbol was actually taken from the movie Birth of a Nation. I think cross burning goes all the way back to Medieval times.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:20 PM (2DOZq)

79 4 Is it possible he's trolling the left by trying to get them to advocate for free speech?

Posted by: windbag at June 16, 2019 02:45 PM

I am wondering the same thing.

Considering the Left thinks that burning alphabet soup mafia flags and Islamic country flags is "hate speech", maybe he's setting them up to consider the burning of the American flag as "hate speech" as well.

Or, if they are going to deny that burning the American flag is hate speech, then, to be consistent, they have to deny that burning any other flag is "hate speech" as well. The alphabet soup mafia flag is a political flag, so burning it should be protected political speech, correct?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 16, 2019 03:20 PM (7A4qQ)

80 I absolutely agree that burning the flag is protected speech. However, arguing that point is, shall we say, unattractive to most people. Watch as all the dem nominees will now defend burning the flag. If Trump is fer it, they're agin it. Whether he did it on purpose or not doesn't matter.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 03:20 PM (gC2IV)

81 Chinese woman almost stomps turtle eggs in Florida, horrendous felony. American killing a human being at 8 months gestation, meh.
Posted by: Bernie sanders at June 16, 2019 03:16 PM (QLZK6)


Little known fact (I think): calling someone a turtle egg is an arch insult in Mandarin. Kind of like calling someone an SOB, but much worse. Fighting words, IIRC.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 03:21 PM (A2Uq6)

82 Meanwhile, try to draw a picture of Mohammed and our government will recruit terrorists to attempt to kill you so they can film it.

Posted by: Sjg at June 16, 2019 03:21 PM (gDSJf)

83 But OUR speech is already being infringed. Perhaps it's time to start taking control of it back.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 16, 2019 03:21 PM (ABuva)

84 Got to go do some stupid shit, so snob hour is over !!

Posted by: REDACTED at June 16, 2019 03:21 PM (DPjeO)

85 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 03:18 PM (kQs4Y)

Bingo!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:21 PM (wYseH)

86 Whatever happened to just simply beating the shit out of people doing stuff you don't like?

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2019 03:22 PM (MVjcR)

87
Forget the Balanced Budget Amendment, I'd be happy with the Budget Amendment, where we have to pass one every year.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 03:22 PM (Wx/+I)

88
Let the idiots burn the flag and reveal themselves, so we'll know.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 03:18 PM (kQs4Y)

===

This exactly the right formula, and also why I try not to be too reactive when I encounter anti semitism and other leftist b.s. I want these fools to feel comfortable disclosing their lunacy so I can tell who is who.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 03:22 PM (EZebt)

89 Burn a rainbow flag, and while you are at it, burn a Mexican flag too. Celebrate the burning diversity of free speech.

Posted by: Delurking Cynic at June 16, 2019 03:23 PM (z2xIo)

90 Burning the flag should be perfectly legal.

As should be me beating the ever loving fuck out of the person who burned it. Because I'm triggered because members of my family died horrible deaths for that flag and the good that it represents.

Isn't that how this works?

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 03:23 PM (7cCNF)

91 I remember an Obama rally before he was elected potus.
There were dozens of barrels full of discarded American flags, lying on the ground, everywhere.
Sad.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 03:23 PM (w7KSn)

92 Considering the Left thinks that burning alphabet soup mafia flags and Islamic country flags is "hate speech", maybe he's setting them up to consider the burning of the American flag as "hate speech" as well.

Or, if they are going to deny that burning the American flag is hate speech, then, to be consistent, they have to deny that burning any other flag is "hate speech" as well. The alphabet soup mafia flag is a political flag, so burning it should be protected political speech, correct?
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 16, 2019 03:20 PM (7A4qQ)


You have to wonder, and I certainly did when I first read his statement, which puts the question to the Reds: which way to jump?

Either way, they're in an awkward position. They either have to agree with Trump - which they are loath to do - or disagree, in which case they have to protect burning rainbow flags, ISIS flags, etc. (If they're to be consistent, which is not usually something they worry about.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 03:24 PM (A2Uq6)

93 Can you burn flag burners? Uh, legally?

Posted by: TF2 Pyro at June 16, 2019 03:26 PM (U69PR)

94 The flag burning debate is a quaint notion from decades ago....meanwhile Antifa is mauling people who they Think may be opposed to them --with 0, , zip, nada repercussions.

War has been declared and the flag burning debate seems to be .....sort of not the highest priority given the context and reality of the Real War the Left has declared against non-communists.

Posted by: Voter theater. at June 16, 2019 03:26 PM (ftvGY)

95 Isn't that how this works?

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 03:23 PM (7cCNF)

No, it really doesn't. The flag is a symbol of something. If some asshat wants to burn the flag, and by extension, insult that which it represents, let him.


He is taking a political stance that you find antithetical to all that you believe. But it is his political philosophy, and it does not rise to a behavior that requires a physical response.

If he burned it on your lawn that would be very, very different.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:27 PM (wYseH)

96 Novel idea: Constitution protects (and I quote) "freedom of speech" followed by "or of the press" and if they MEANT freedom of expression then "of the press" is unnecessary. Printed word and spoke word. Freedom of speech has been warped by the Courts into "freedom of expression," let's make the words mean what the words say. Just for kicks.

Posted by: pmike at June 16, 2019 03:27 PM (qHOwR)

97 The rule proposed--no restrictions on speech, such as flag burning--is nice.

But that's not the world we are living in.

The leftist are banning our speech left and right--because they know we won't do the same.

Until we ban their speech in double measure, they won't stop.

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at June 16, 2019 03:27 PM (k81AA)

98 following the clip of the player saving the flag in the youtube queue is kurt gibson's walk-off homer to win game 1 of the 1988 world series for the dodgers. i've seen the clip before but never noticed that as he rounds the bases on two gimpy legs, gibson never touches second base!

never noticed that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 16, 2019 03:28 PM (Pg+x7)

99 ... check it out at the 8:40 mark of the video.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 16, 2019 03:30 PM (Pg+x7)

100 I won't mention his name but a Que Klux Klan-er once explained to Howard Stern that they don't burn the cross, they light it because Jesus is the light of the world.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of the MSM at June 16, 2019 03:31 PM (ZqRa6)

101 If he burned it on your lawn that would be very, very different.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:27 PM (wYseH)

Why?
You say you would gun someone down on your lawn that exercises "protected speech" of cross burning. Tell me, would you gun someone down that burned an American Flag on your lawn? If not, why?

Trespass ain't legal grounds for killin'.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:31 PM (nWmg2)

102 Some of you act like desecration of the flag has been part of free speech protection forever. How did we ever survive before th 80's?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:31 PM (2DOZq)

103 Trump has a hilarious short video pinned at the top of his twitter feed.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 03:32 PM (UUBmN)

104 Trespass ain't legal grounds for killin'.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:31 PM (nWmg2)

A bit of hyperbole on a rainy Sunday afternoon.

But my property rights trump his free speech rights.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:32 PM (wYseH)

105 i find the idea of people burning the flag in protest to be abhorrent. if this country sucks so much, GTFO.

however, it is protected speech, assuming you're not creating a fire hazard when you do it, and, if that's the most coherent and cogent argument you have, your position sucks, and you know it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 03:32 PM (DW6U4)

106 Meh, my senator. Afraid Bullock will jump in and give him a run for his money. So, the flag amendment play. Like running the ol dipsy doodle!

He's not stupid. Really.

Posted by: Tu abuela tambien at June 16, 2019 03:33 PM (efMXe)

107 There was some asshole Red diaper baby artist who made an American flag mosaic on the museum floor that you had to walk over just to enter the room. I sort of loped over and around it as best I could. After some outcry they later had paper mats that you could place on the floor so you wouldn't step directly on the flag.

It's not desecration in my mind, but I was pissed that the option was taken away from me by some little pinko shit and his museum enablers.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 03:33 PM (kQs4Y)

108 I don't think Trump is trolling but I think he and the senator both know that Dems in the House will talk about their hatred for the flag and how it so so represents tyranny.

I personally think it would be better to propose required burning of the rainbow flags. Just for kicks.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 16, 2019 03:33 PM (r+sAi)

109 If the act of burning a flag is protected speech, why isn't the act of assaulting the person burning the flag protected speech, as a way to defend the symbol?

Or just limit it to me grabbing the flag from them to prevent the burning? Also protected? Why not?

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:34 PM (nWmg2)

110 Some of you act like desecration of the flag has been part of free speech protection forever. How did we ever survive before th 80's?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:31 PM (2DOZq)


Agreed; the only people advocating burning the U.S. are American-hating, Commie scumbags. The same people that say burning the U.S. flag is totes OK will go ape$h!t if you burn a rainbow flag.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 16, 2019 03:34 PM (5Yee7)

111 Trespass ain't legal grounds for killin'.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:31 PM (nWmg2)
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i could be wrong, but, as i understand things, it is in Texas.

your safest bet is to stay off other people's property, especially if'n you're acting the fool.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 16, 2019 03:34 PM (DW6U4)

112
Forget the Balanced Budget Amendment, I'd be happy with the Budget Amendment, where we have to pass one every year.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


Yeah, it's hard to balance something that doesn't exist.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 03:35 PM (aKsyK)

113 An interesting angle on the (still possible) Trump impeachment:
If impeached, Trump would be given the opportunity to defend himself, call witnesses, subpoena papers, declassify.
Could be entertaining.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 03:35 PM (w7KSn)

114 Failure Theater stuff. But then they all get to pat themselves on the back for saving 'Murica and get rubes to send them $25.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 16, 2019 03:36 PM (FiUMj)

115 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:32 PM (wYseH)

Then you're going to jail, son, because property doesn't trump life, especially on your front lawn. Or else I could gun down a car thief in the process of stealing my ride.

And answer the question - would you gun someone down for burning the US flag on your property also?

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:36 PM (nWmg2)

116 Somehow ( I'm outside ) I missed this whole thread.

The Senate will not impeach the President.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 03:38 PM (BbGew)

117 113 An interesting angle on the (still possible) Trump impeachment:
If impeached, Trump would be given the opportunity to defend himself, call witnesses, subpoena papers, declassify.
Could be entertaining.
---
Yeah, do they really want to give him this bully pulpit?

Granted, it may not be broadcast on every frickin' channel like the Nixon impeachment hearings (not that I remember those, being but 29 *shifty eyes*) or the Clinton follies.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 03:38 PM (kQs4Y)

118 Printed word and spoke word. Freedom of speech has been warped by the Courts into "freedom of expression," let's make the words mean what the words say. Just for kicks.

So, just verbal speech and text printed on paper would be protected? And not, for example, transmitting text electronically?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 03:38 PM (qc+VF)

119 The Senate does not impeach.
The Senates either convicts, or not.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 03:38 PM (w7KSn)

120 Maybe this has happened, but I know it was at least suggested once, that only USA flags made in the USA could be sold in the USA.
Its an exception to my economic principles, but I like it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 16, 2019 03:39 PM (r+sAi)

121
they don't burn the cross, they light it because Jesus is the light of the world.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of the MSM


Just use LED lights.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 03:40 PM (aKsyK)

122 All of us down at the Brattleboro (aka Obammaboro, Vt) Women's, Gay, Lesbian, and Trans-Gender Reproductive Health Clinic wants to wish Presdent Obana a Happy Farthers Day. We miss you and still love you....

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Obamaboro, VT and Prood of it !!! at June 16, 2019 03:40 PM (qM84C)

123 Maybe this has happened, but I know it was at least suggested once, that only USA flags made in the USA could be sold in the USA.
Its an exception to my economic principles, but I like it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
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Not sure about this but I'll only but US flags made in the USA on principle.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 03:41 PM (UUBmN)

124 118 Printed word and spoke word. Freedom of speech has been warped by the Courts into "freedom of expression," let's make the words mean what the words say. Just for kicks.

So, just verbal speech and text printed on paper would be protected? And not, for example, transmitting text electronically?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 03:38 PM (qc+VF)

IIRC it wasn't until the 30's that the SC found that displaying a 'symbol' or non-speech was actually protected by the 1st as free speech and that it wasn't until the 80's that the SC found that State's desecration laws were unconstitutional and flag burning was protected as free speech.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:41 PM (2DOZq)

125 I'm in the checkout line and the cashier looks like RBG and moves as quickly.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 16, 2019 03:42 PM (Nz4oZ)

126 Trespass ain't legal grounds for killin'.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:31 PM (nWmg2)
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i could be wrong, but, as i understand things, it is in Texas.


Not as a general rule, but under certain circumstances it could be a factor.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 03:42 PM (qc+VF)

127 115 not unless I was 100% sure I could dispose of the body and without 1 witness, but even then would burn in Hell for eternity.
But never rule anything out.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 03:43 PM (BbGew)

128 15 Is it legal to burn currency?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:54 PM (2DOZq)

If you have any you want to burn, just hand it to me and I'll take it someplace private and burn it for you. I promise.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 03:43 PM (V2Yro)

129 115 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:32 PM (wYseH)

Then you're going to jail, son, because property doesn't trump life, especially on your front lawn. Or else I could gun down a car thief in the process of stealing my ride.

And answer the question - would you gun someone down for burning the US flag on your property also?
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:36 PM (nWmg2)

As someone already pointed out, in Texas you can shoot someone stealing your car or someone stealing a TV out of your neighbors house.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:43 PM (2DOZq)

130 And answer the question - would you gun someone down for burning the US flag on your property also?

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:36 PM (nWmg2)

First look up the word "hyperbole."

And the answer is, no. Of course not. Unless he also threatens me in other ways that would allow me to use lethal force. But a punch in the nose? Sure.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:44 PM (wYseH)

131 IIRC, in Texas a man shot a couple of burglars who were robbing his neighbor's home. Killed them.
Not even in his own yard, the burglars were in his neighbor's yard.
Texas didn't prosecute.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 03:44 PM (w7KSn)

132 128 15 Is it legal to burn currency?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 02:54 PM (2DOZq)

If you have any you want to burn, just hand it to me and I'll take it someplace private and burn it for you. I promise.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 03:43 PM (V2Yro)

I light my cigars with hundred dollar bills. White privilege don't ya know.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:45 PM (2DOZq)

133 "impeachment"... who can take any of this seriously, when we've just had the spectacle of reportedly mature adults, the eminences gris of our polity, take to the airwaves and declare trump committed treason when he speculated that he would probably look at some dirt on an opponent from a foreign source and probably give it to the f.b.i.?

it's all so far beyond absurd as to make it ridiculous.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 16, 2019 03:45 PM (Pg+x7)

134 Little known fact (I think): calling someone a turtle egg is an arch insult in Mandarin. Kind of like calling someone an SOB, but much worse. Fighting words, IIRC.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


"Dew neh log moh".

Means something horrible in one of the Chinese languages. Learned that from Noble House by James Clavell.

Used it once when I was in a room full of Chinese co-workers who were rudely speaking Chinese to shield their conversation from me.

Most of them got the fucking point and switched to English.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 03:46 PM (7cCNF)

135 Or else I could gun down a car thief in the process of stealing my ride. "

Simple trespass doesn't justify deadly force, but in Texas, if someone is attempting to steal your property (including a car) you ARE allowed to use deadly force to stop the thief.

So yes, as long as you're in Texas you can gun down a car thief who's in the process of stealing your ride. Important qualification - you have to catch him IN THE PROCESS of doing it, not before, and definitely not after.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 03:46 PM (V2Yro)

136 "...it's all so far beyond absurd as to make it ridiculous."

Burn the Witch redux.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 03:46 PM (w7KSn)

137 Trespass ain't legal grounds for killin'.


Perhaps. But it certainly moves you from passerby category to target.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 03:46 PM (axyOa)

138 Burn a Mexican flag in LA or a rainbow flag in SF and you probably will end up dead.

Anywhere else and at the very least expect to be hounded for the rest of your life and your employer harassed until you lose your job.

So de facto bans on burning certain flags already exist.

And once again we're left one rule for the leftists and another for the rest of society.

Posted by: Sjg at June 16, 2019 03:47 PM (gDSJf)

139 The discovery on a Trump impeachment would be Christmas.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 16, 2019 03:48 PM (Nz4oZ)

140 I opposed flag burning because, as much as I hate it, they are the canary in a coal mine. Take away their rights and ours are next.

But that Canary died a few years ago. When I can wear a MAGA hat in public without fear of being assaulted, I'll support flag burning again.

Posted by: Fen at June 16, 2019 03:51 PM (e1Z/d)

141 139 The discovery on a Trump impeachment would be Christmas.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 16, 2019 03:48 PM (Nz4oZ)

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Which is why Chuck and Nancy want all the trappings of impeachment without, ya know, the actual impeachment.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 03:51 PM (gC2IV)

142 I also have no faith that all GOP senators would not vote to remove Trump from office.
I can think of at least a dozen yes votes off the top of my head.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 03:52 PM (w7KSn)

143 A flag burning amendment would be a silly thing to waste political capital on. I'm far more concerned with the blacklisting of an entire political movement by Big Tech.

Posted by: Liberty at June 16, 2019 03:53 PM (NhVBT)

144 Which is why Chuck and Nancy want all the trappings of impeachment without, ya know, the actual impeachment.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 03:51 PM (gC2IV)

But it's a dangerous game. They risk "Impeachment Fatigue," which I think is already happening.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:53 PM (wYseH)

145 Isn't that how this works?

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 03:23 PM (7cCNF)

No, it really doesn't. The flag is a symbol of something. If some asshat wants to burn the flag, and by extension, insult that which it represents, let him.


He is taking a political stance that you find antithetical to all that you believe. But it is his political philosophy, and it does not rise to a behavior that requires a physical response.

If he burned it on your lawn that would be very, very different.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:27 PM (wYseH)


Your analysis may be correct from a legal decisions handed down perspective, but from my view, burning a flag where I can see it is not a political act but rather a personal attack akin to spitting on my face. To which I may respond accordingly.

Insults/attacks are generally viewed from the perspective of the person insulted/attacked, not from the attacker's point of view.

That said, I am willing to accept the consequences of any actions I might take when confronted by a flag-burner. That's another aspect of the free speech v. not free speech argument that always pops up when flag-burning is discussed.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 03:55 PM (7cCNF)

146 IIRC, in Texas a man shot a couple of burglars who were robbing his neighbor's home. Killed them.
Not even in his own yard, the burglars were in his neighbor's yard.
Texas didn't prosecute.


This is true but people tend to over-generalize a single set of circumstances into a broad principle. Having too much faith in that broad principle can leave you at a lot of risk. Again, in general, TX law is not "shoot anybody doing anything wrong and get away with it." The specific set of circumstances in any given instance matter a lot.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 03:56 PM (qc+VF)

147 So de facto bans on burning certain flags already exist.

And once again we're left one rule for the leftists and another for the rest of society.

Posted by: Sjg at June 16, 2019 03:47 PM

Yep. And the same thing goes for *actual* speech.

Leftists can give speeches anywhere they want in this country, from radical left-wing conferences to college campuses without consequence.

But should any conservative dare plan to give a speech anywhere, it will be shut down just by the mere *threat* of violence by Leftists. The local police or security would declare a public threat and cancel the speech, instead of work to protect the conservative speaker's right to free speech.

This is the world in which we live.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 16, 2019 03:56 PM (7A4qQ)

148 71 Can I burn a rainbow flag and not have my life destroyed in the process?
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 16, 2019 03:16 PM (nWmg2)

Now that brings up a good point - if we REALLY wanted to stop flag burnings we need to encourage a wave of burnings of Rainbow Flags and Mexican Flags, and then when the left goes apoplectic we can all compromise on NO FLAGS OF ANY KIND GET BURNED. Because Incitement.

Failing that, I say make it a law that every time an American flag gets burned, Mexican, Canadian, and Rainbow flags must be burned with it. If flag burning isn't "incitement", then why would anyone mind?

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 03:56 PM (V2Yro)

149 That said, I am willing to accept the consequences
of any actions I might take when confronted by a flag-burner. That's
another aspect of the free speech v. not free speech argument that
always pops up when flag-burning is discussed.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 03:55 PM (7cCNF)

You won't get an argument from me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 03:57 PM (wYseH)

150 The neighbor called in the burglary to 911, described the whole thing.
Then he told the dispatcher he was going to stop them.
He put the phone down.
And then he definitely stopped them, while she listened.
I was suitably impressed with that case.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 03:58 PM (w7KSn)

151
Call it the Cocksucker Flag, not the r**nbow flag.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 03:58 PM (+YYCN)

152 I'd prefer that someone take the Left's premise of 'Hate Speech Is Not Protected Speech!' to SCOTUS and end their little fantasy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 16, 2019 03:59 PM (oVJmc)

153

I want a BAN on wearing any type of mask or cover on one's face while "protesting," a.k.a. rioting.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 04:00 PM (+YYCN)

154 Driving in a certain town with a Sunk New Dawn guy in it and 2 sidewalk crossings were painted in the 6-color rainbow. I was like: what is this, a fag crossing?

Right downtown, too.

Posted by: Some chick in Tejas I guess at June 16, 2019 04:01 PM (gou4q)

155 I want a BAN on wearing any type of mask or cover on one's face while "protesting," a.k.a. rioting.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 04:00 PM (+YYCN)

Oh yes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 16, 2019 04:01 PM (wYseH)

156 What? I missed this thread entirely. I just left a comment on the last thread and noticed that it was the first comment in half an hour.

I just now saw that the Food Thread is up. Aargh.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 04:02 PM (sdi6R)

157 I want a BAN on wearing any type of mask or cover on one's face while "protesting," a.k.a. rioting.
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 04:00 PM (+YYCN)


Make it illegal to cover your face under ANY circumstances. We might as well get the Muslims in on the fun.

Andto get it passed, call it the "anti-KKK law." Dare the Reds to oppose it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 04:03 PM (A2Uq6)

158
Banks have banned BASEBALL CAPS in their lobbies for, what, decades, now?

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 04:03 PM (+YYCN)

159 Food thread i sup!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 04:03 PM (kQs4Y)

160 So my communist governor ordered rainbow flags to be flown on state offices yesterday for the remainder of the month. First time in the entire history of the state of Michigan.

What do you think would happen to me if I went to a state owned parking lot and burned a rainbow flag while chanting "No fags in my state".

And I don't mean by some Antifa idiot. I mean by my own state government? If a state of Michigan employee refused to partake in celebrate the gays month , what would happen to them? if they refuse to have little rainbow flags plastered on the window at the DMV or whatever else nonsense the commie state governor and her AG have come up with?



Posted by: Jen the original at June 16, 2019 04:07 PM (0D4Y/)

161
Banks have banned BASEBALL CAPS in their lobbies for, what, decades, now?
Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics


The banks I go to have signs on the door saying no hoodies, sunglasses or masks. Never saw a sign about no baseball caps.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 04:08 PM (aKsyK)

162 I looked up the case where the neighbor shot 2 burglars - it was more nuanced than we remember. (the Joe Horn case) First, it was established that actually were on HIS lawn when he shot them - Joe Horn had ordered the 2 men to surrender, with his gun aimed at them, and instead they approached him (he said he believed they were going to attack him) Next, his case was taken to the Grand Jury - but the Grand Jury refused to indict. Pasadena, Texas, 2007.

It reminds me of the shopping mall case in Dallas a few years back. A guy chased his girlfriend into a shopping mall and shot her dead, then ran out, got in his car, and attempted to escape. Another man, who had witnessed the murder, saw him trying to flee, and as he drove by, the 2nd man unloaded a .44 magnum through the drivers door. The perp managed to drive away before dying of loss of blood a few minutes later.

There was no good legal justification for the bystanders shooting, and he was arrested - but the grand jury refused to indict, and he walked away free.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 04:08 PM (V2Yro)

163
Maybe it's a No Hats ban I'm thinking of. The sign asks you to remove all hats.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 04:10 PM (+YYCN)

164 I want a BAN on wearing any type of mask or cover on one's face while "protesting," a.k.a. rioting.

Posted by: Soothsayer's


In my humble opinion a masked person in the street carrying any kind of weapon meets the definition of homo sacer and may be treated accordingly.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 04:11 PM (7cCNF)

165 Andto get it passed, call it the "anti-KKK law." Dare the Reds to oppose it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 04:03 PM (A2Uq6)

That law already exists in Alabama and a couple other southern states, I believe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 04:12 PM (V2Yro)

166 Trespass ain't legal grounds for killin'.

Arson is - at least in Texas it is.

Posted by: An Observation at June 16, 2019 04:13 PM (mBISV)

167 The banks I go to have signs on the door saying no hoodies, sunglasses or masks. Never saw a sign about no baseball caps.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 04:08 PM (aKsyK)

Now that's just odd - why would a Bank be worried if you go up to the Teller's Window wearing a mask? LOL.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 04:14 PM (V2Yro)

168 For the left the flag burning, rioting, etc. IS a religious practice.

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 04:14 PM (FhXTo)

169 >>That said, I am willing to accept the consequences
of any actions I might take when confronted by a flag-burner. That's
another aspect of the free speech v. not free speech argument that
always pops up when flag-burning is discussed.


If burning a flag incites people to violence then perhaps the idea that it is protected free speech and not something subject to the Fighting Words doctrine is not so out of line.

Freedom of speech can be limited and not by some edict from God. It's up to humans to figure out what is and what isn't free speech and what is merely an incitement to violence.

I don't like banning free speech as much as anyone but I also don't think I need someone burning a flag to know what their opinions are. There is no reason to do it in my mind other to incite a violent reaction.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 16, 2019 04:16 PM (PxX58)

170
I want a BAN on wearing any type of mask or cover on one's face while "protesting," a.k.a. rioting.Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky innacurate lyrics at June 16, 2019 04:00 PM (+YYCN)


18 U.S. Code 241 (see paragraph 2):

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or
intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession,
or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege
secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or
because of his having so exercised the same; or



If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises
of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or
enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured



They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in
violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an
attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit
aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined
under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or
both, or may be sentenced to death.

Posted by: An Observation at June 16, 2019 04:18 PM (mBISV)

171
IIRC it wasn't until the 30's that the SC found that displaying a 'symbol' or non-speech was actually protected by the 1st as free speech and that it wasn't until the 80's that the SC found that State's desecration laws were unconstitutional and flag burning was protected as free speech.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 03:41 PM (2DOZq)


This would be a good thing to remember when the SC, with those new team mates they added the last couple of years, modify the Roe vs Wade decision.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 16, 2019 04:21 PM (sy5kK)

172 I have an OT question. Since part of the ceiling is missing in the guest room, can an AC unit be installed to push air thru the furnace forced air ducts?

Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 04:24 PM (xzK3J)

173 JackStraw @ 169...

Thank you. You understand.

Posted by: creeper at June 16, 2019 04:25 PM (BK/QP)

174 Burning a flag isn't freedom of speech, it is freedom of expression. Of course, I will consider myself free to express my distaste by punching the burner in the nose.

Posted by: Bill R. at June 16, 2019 04:26 PM (wzzJf)

175 I'm not convinced that this really matters anymore.

Rights are for citizens. We're approaching a time when a third of the population aren't going to be fellow citizens anymore, one way or another.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 16, 2019 04:27 PM (67XdO)

176
This is true but people tend to over-generalize a single set of
circumstances into a broad principle. Having too much faith in that
broad principle can leave you at a lot of risk. Again, in general, TX
law is not "shoot anybody doing anything wrong and get away with it."
The specific set of circumstances in any given instance matter a lot.


In Texas, the law allows the use of deadly force to stop the commission of a felony, or criminal mischief performed at night. For example there was a case of a Texas father who walked in on his minor daughter being molested - shot and killed molester - no prosecution, and the DA specifically cited the Texas law about deadly force and felonies.

Posted by: An Observation at June 16, 2019 04:31 PM (mBISV)

177 I have an OT question. Since part of the ceiling is
missing in the guest room, can an AC unit be installed to push air thru
the furnace forced air ducts?

Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 04:24 PM (xzK3J)

In thru the duck's ass and out through his beak? What kind of duck abuse is this tomfoolery?

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 16, 2019 04:33 PM (q1Pj5)

178 I binged it and it seems it can be done without much modification.

Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 04:40 PM (xzK3J)

179 Leftists say it's hate speech to burn the LGBT flag, but it's free speech to burn the American flag.

Posted by: lyn at June 16, 2019 04:43 PM (nB7PU)

180 I think Trump is trolling in the same way that he did when he said he would accept dirt on political opponents from foreign sources.

Posted by: lyn at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (nB7PU)

181 That law already exists in Alabama and a couple other southern states, I believe.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 04:12 PM (V2Yro)


That was the source of the idea, in fact.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 04:51 PM (623jb)

182 My guess is that PDT will just leave this hanging out there. And then a lot of smarmy awful people will a) burn the flag publicly to illustrate free speech and b) snarlingly screech about their right to burn the flag. Which is perhaps what he's going for.

Posted by: m at June 16, 2019 04:57 PM (ZfNws)

183 180 I think Trump is trolling in the same way that he did when he said he would accept dirt on political opponents from foreign sources.
Posted by: lyn at June 16, 2019 04:44 PM (nB7PU)

Nicely put.

Posted by: m at June 16, 2019 04:58 PM (ZfNws)

184 I don't care, F them. Have you read about thecakes they are demanding Masterpiece cake make? Is it protected speech to demand one with Satan sucking a cock?

I just went to take a look at a blog on matural dyeing. She was doing an unflattering tapestry of the President, because of his "cruelty". Her solution? Give Planned Parenthood a donation, right away! Sabo has the right idea. Rub their noses into it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 16, 2019 05:03 PM (Lqy/e)

185 Sorry, but there's nothing wrong with protecting our flag. It's Normal America's Flag. Not the fucking National Socialist American Workers' Party flag. We live in a clown world now. It's not 1982. New Rules. New Game. New Fight. Get with the times idiot.

Posted by: Chiounard at June 16, 2019 05:08 PM (ua1m6)

186 Who is being incited to do what? And how can the burning of a symbol be obscene.

Burn a rainbow flag then report back - if you even survive.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 16, 2019 05:12 PM (lD3vL)

187 We have been subjected to watching foreigners piss on
American society/culture and too long, with being told respect their culture/views Then we are told we must respect and allow their culture and ways they bring over here. Sorry, I can abide they dissing us while we must respect their disrespect of us. American culture/nation deserves more respect than the foreigners coming here to plunder this nation and piss on us and our ways.

Posted by: ron n. at June 16, 2019 05:16 PM (om5HK)

188 Burning the American flag is now considered "freedom of expression". Anyone who doesn't like it turns away because they know that punching the flag burner will be prosecuted as assault and battery.

Has anybody ever tried to burn a rainbow flag? I'm not aware of any such incidents. Most normal people probably don't give a shit. But I suspect that anyone who tries it will feel the full force of the State come down on their heads like a 16 ton weight.

Some flags are more equal than others, comrade.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 05:16 PM (sdi6R)

189 The socialist posers have fought like hell for foreigners, rebels, perverts, deviants, anarchists, felons freedom of speech, then turn around and demand censorship of Americans that disagree with socialist and are patriotic or Christians. The phonieness and hypocrisy is like Mount Everest in size. Still....What a fool believes (or is willing to try to contort to believe), DOOBIE BROS.

Posted by: ron n. at June 16, 2019 05:22 PM (om5HK)

190 Did flag retirements. Polyester and nylon flags do raise a nasty chemical smell.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 16, 2019 05:35 PM (G/6B6)

191 I would generally agree with this, but my new philosophy of "no enemies to the right" says that if they're going to imprison some leftists for burning a flag, well OK then. I'm not going to raise a big fuss.

Posted by: Chris M at June 16, 2019 05:38 PM (6XZdO)

192 126. You need a 'credible' threat. Ron White is not a reliable source in this instance. But game cameras are...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 16, 2019 05:44 PM (G/6B6)

193 I have responded with a blog post of my own, "Against Free Speech" (link in the handle). Thanks for the dialogue!

Posted by: SciVo at June 16, 2019 06:08 PM (7K1tb)

194 How would Darth Vader ever open a bank account?

Posted by: torabora at June 16, 2019 06:10 PM (Y274z)

195 Burning, or other disrespect, of other flags is treated as a crime.
Disrespecting the American flag should be a crime.

As for the appeals to free speech, they would be convincing - if it were not for all the appeals to have the federal government intervene and put the stomp down on social media sites for their censorship of conservatives.
If it is all well and good for the federal government to make them play fair, it is all well and good for the federal government to prosecute people for burning the flag.

Posted by: Sam at June 16, 2019 06:19 PM (YScgw)

196 Attempts to criminalize burning the flag is a fight that has been going on for several decades.

The best answer is to return to allowing "Fighting Words". Yes, you most certainly have a right to do something douchey like burn the flag. But Joe there also has the right to be upset enough about it to punch you right in the mouth. Just like if you called his mother a whore. It's not an affirmative good, but it's a defense against battery charges.

That would have a properly chilling effect on the "offensive speech".
IMO, of course.

Posted by: GWB at June 16, 2019 06:36 PM (p+uA1)

197 How would Darth Vader ever open a bank account?

Posted by: torabora at June 16, 2019 06:10 PM (Y274z)


By holding the bank manager up with one hand, and the bank agreement up with the other.......

Posted by: GWB at June 16, 2019 06:38 PM (p+uA1)

198 Dr. samuel johnson said it best "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel!" When boswell asked dr, johnson what he thought about the american revolution going on at the time he said "I observe those who scram the loudest about freedom and liberty are the slave holding southerners." Some things never change. America is an idea not a piece of cloth. After 9-11 the san jose mercury editorial cartoon showed the little napalmed vietnamese girl running down the road with the twin towers crashing down behind her. Caption what goes around comes around. This made the ignorant white trash ameriKKKans angry as even they could understand the symbolism.

Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 06:57 PM (wpP8q)

199 It's called punching back in the culture wars, CBD. Get a GRIP.

Posted by: Phil Ossiferz Stone at June 16, 2019 06:59 PM (7Bx7D)

200 198
After 9-11 the san jose mercury editorial cartoon showed the little napalmed vietnamese girl running down the road with the twin towers crashing down behind her.
Posted by: raimondo at June 16, 2019 06:57 PM (wpP8q)


You are aware that the little napalmed Vietnamese girl became an American citizen and a Christian and doesn't blame America for her injuries, right?

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 07:03 PM (sdi6R)

201

I'm for bannig flag burning just on the selfish grounds that I hope it will pave the way to banning all tattoos. (That shit has gotten out of control!)

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (Xqo6t)

202 With decent co-citizens, I usually agree with free speech. But, with many of my American neighbors now wanting to regulate pronouns as hate speech, I'd support a flag burning ban. Anything to make the left more miserable.

Posted by: Panchito Pistoles at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (9Xq60)

203 You are aware that the little napalmed Vietnamese girl became an American citizen and a Christian and doesn't blame America for her injuries, right?
Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 07:03 PM (sdi6R)


Also, IIRC, she was napalmed by the South Vietnames air force, not ours.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (zmxYi)

204 I'm for bannig flag burning just on the selfish grounds that I hope it will pave the way to banning all tattoos. (That shit has gotten out of control!)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 16, 2019 07:09 PM (Xqo6t)


Tattoos are already past their sell-by date. They're on their way to joining bell bottoms and leisure suits as an embarrassing era of popular culture.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 07:14 PM (zmxYi)

205 203
Also, IIRC, she was napalmed by the South Vietnames air force, not ours.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 07:13 PM (zmxYi)


Yes, exactly. It was a horrible accident, but such things happen in war. There's just no way to sugarcoat it.

I read about her on another site years ago. It's a really inspiring story about how she overcame her trauma and forgave.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 07:19 PM (sdi6R)

206 If she's still alive, and I think she is, she's at least 50 years old by now.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 07:30 PM (sdi6R)

207 I don't know, I would rather be speached than set on fire. I think there may be a difference if you use a thermometer.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at June 16, 2019 07:53 PM (yCDuR)

208 I love Trump. Anyone who STILL believes he doesn't think before he tweets or he doesn't understand basic concepts like "freedom of speech" really needs to think again.

Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 08:47 PM (uEbPt)

209 One of the best protections of a free society is the guarantee of the free expression of ideas. But having said that I think it is in important in a free society to remember the purpose of free speech. The basic ideal, I believe is that unfettered exchange is the best way to discover truth in political discourse. But the concern about free speech like every other constitutional right must be balanced against the disorder that would arise from a civil conflict that could be incited by too little concern over the difference between a peaceable exchange of ideas versus in your face actions that are inherently violent.
I think burning anything, defacement of property or even undeniable speech referring to a particular group of citizens with a word that begins with "N" are all acts that could be seen as violent unless you think there is no substantive difference between burning the Flag and criticizing it.

There is a context that limits the value of every communication especially one that is likely to result in social unrest. Courts make this kind of distinction all the time; weighing the probative value of evidence against its prejudicial value. In American society, context used to be a common set of values that included most Americans but today not so much. It is only a small step from breaking things to breaking heads.

The unfortunate truth is that there can be no freedom of anything without prosperity and social order. You can LOL and tell people to get f*cked all you want until some person takes a bike lock to your head. Similarly criticism of a political ideas is not the same as violent action against things and living people associated with those ideas

Is there really any substantive difference between pulling down a statue or burning a flag. Both are physical acts of violence. And those people who do not understand the difference will end up killing their opponents long before they can persuade them.

In our country, dancing naked for drunken patrons, defacing public monuments and attacking people for their religious beliefs have all been called freedom of speech. If every destructive act is called freedom of speech then freedom of speech becomes meaningless and will result in a lot less actual speech and a lot more actual violence. There is nothing inherently wrong with setting useful behavioral limits through a Constitutional Amendment even if some people call the limited behavior free speech.

Posted by: Punchinello at June 16, 2019 08:49 PM (zOrpp)

210 NEVER trust a libertarian, they cannot help themselves but to break ranks. They are of the left.

Posted by: Quilp at June 16, 2019 08:56 PM (Bf3hj)

211 I am a retired military member with 25 years of active duty service. While it irritates me that some assholes think they are making statements by burning the Stars and Stripes, I can tolerate that.

What I won't tolerate is those who desecrate the US Constitution. The oath of office for every military and civilian officer of the USA includes the words "...support and defend the United States..." Nothing there about defending the flag.

Defending the Constitution is a lot more important.

Posted by: TOF at June 16, 2019 09:16 PM (XwMGP)

212 I am a retired military member with 25 years of active duty service. While it irritates me that some assholes think they are making statements by burning the Stars and Stripes, I can tolerate that.

What I won't tolerate is those who desecrate the US Constitution. The oath of office for every military and civilian officer of the USA includes the words "...support and defend the Constitution of the United States..." Nothing there about defending the flag.

Defending the Constitution is a lot more important.

Posted by: TOF at June 16, 2019 09:17 PM (XwMGP)

213 Fuck off and die, raimondo.

Posted by: Chris M at June 16, 2019 09:37 PM (6XZdO)

214 This is a non-controversy. The discussion is around an amendment to the Constitution, not an attempt to pass a law (which has already been declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS). If two thirds of Congress AND three fourths of the States (via their State Legislatures) approve of an amendment to declare the flag an exception to the First Amendment, so be it. That's a VERY high bar, and if met, there is nothing contradictory about it. That will not allow "the other side" to similarly curtail the First Amendment, unless another amendment is passed - still a very high bar.

In essence, it's an easy political point to score to say you are in favor of it, and there's no problem with it actually passing, if that were to occur. Way more heat than light on this issue.

Posted by: BetaPhi at June 17, 2019 12:30 AM (hGNrS)

Your Right To Protest Ends At My Property Line

I have no illusions about the state of animal welfare at this farm. Whether they treat their animals appropriately is still in question, but the news reports I have read are distinctly one-sided, and that makes me very, very suspicious.

But there are other issues: property rights being foremost among them. I'm no lawyer, but what these "activists" did sure sounds like breaking and entering. And maybe toss in vandalism. Whatever happened to peaceful protest? 'Almost Decapitating My Head:' Animal Rights Activist Upset After Chaining Himself To Machine

And where do these people learn to speak English?

"Almost decapitating my head from my neck," Chiang told ABC7. "I was feeling my life leave my body, as I was struggling to get out of that lock."
"We have to escalate all of our actions because this is a global crisis we're under,"
Yes, yes, it's the progressive newspeak that masquerades as ideas. But can't they use proper grammar. and have some passing knowledge of vocabulary?

Again, I am not justifying the conditions at this duck farm, but the progressive conceit that the law doesn't apply to them because they have some elevated privilege to right the perceived wrongs of society smacks of elitism.

[Hat Tip: Bitter Clinger]

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM




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1 Huh?

Posted by: Rhomboid at June 16, 2019 12:17 PM (QYESj)

2 Just checking in to see if Drumpf is doomed, as the unbelievable idiocy on the TV implied - some interview comment?

Posted by: Rhomboid at June 16, 2019 12:18 PM (QYESj)

3 A few others too

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 12:18 PM (BbGew)

4 My head, almost decapitated it was.

Posted by: Zombie Yoda at June 16, 2019 12:22 PM (EgshT)

5 You can just shoot through a door at them with a shotgun.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 16, 2019 12:22 PM (rRxrm)

6 "Almost decapitating my head from my neck,"

Doesn't matter. Brain is already detached from head.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 16, 2019 12:23 PM (aS1PU)

7 Just missed a chance to raise the global average IQ a few points.

Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 12:23 PM (ykq7q)

8 Show these bleeding hearts the video of an abortion ~ more important than ducks ~ and see how they run .

Posted by: bls46 at June 16, 2019 12:23 PM (XNYvs)

9 Duck farms are a global crisis?

Posted by: lowandslow at June 16, 2019 12:24 PM (4thlk)

10 And assume they were "fresh" sound bites from the likes of Mitt and race-baiting fraud Lindsey, expressing outrage at the latest completely meh or unimportant Trump comment.

It is stunning to even briefly see/hear how cretinized the public square is, the nonsense that most people marinate in - even though many clearly ignore it.

Posted by: Rhomboid at June 16, 2019 12:25 PM (QYESj)

11 I wanted to see the video but wasn't happening, I'm sure their laughing about it now as I know I am.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 12:25 PM (BbGew)

12 I love animals and strongly disapprove of farms that mistreat them. Those people suck. But as long as they operate within the law, that's their right...

For those on the Left who don't know vocab - it's called "tolerance."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 16, 2019 12:26 PM (5aX2M)

13 Ducks have heartbeats bigots! There is no greater racism than racism against another species!

Posted by: MoonbeamLoveRainbow at June 16, 2019 12:28 PM (h6BrE)

14 Yeah, that's a local farm... This area is completely nutso...I seriously believe if I were to wear a MAGA hat here I would be attacked... And I'm an old Lady... It's super Lib here and a sanctuary city... We are famous for letting out an illegal who had attacked his girlfriend despite ICE demanding to be known of his release... he immediately went out and killed said Girlfriend

Posted by: It's me donna at June 16, 2019 12:29 PM (O2RFr)

15
Missed most of the Book Thread. That's a nice Greyhound next to the chair. Her Majesty wants.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:29 PM (Wx/+I)

16 No, no, no, turn those machines back on!

I learned as a ute that when it's man vs. machine, the machine wins.

Always.

Chiang Chang Choo is one dumb son-of-a-bitch.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 12:29 PM (Z+IKu)

17 I hear in Denver they are trying to do away with that obsolete concept of private property.

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at June 16, 2019 12:30 PM (1L9V9)

18 Rachel Corey could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 12:30 PM (W+vEI)

19 The demand for duck is that great that there's a duck processing farm?

Okay after I typed this I forgot about pet food.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 12:31 PM (2DOZq)

20 Duck....Duck....Duck....Chiang!

Posted by: JackStraw at June 16, 2019 12:31 PM (PxX58)

21 Duck duck goose

Posted by: Archer at June 16, 2019 12:31 PM (RgTRz)

22 17 I hear in Denver they are trying to do away with that obsolete concept of private property

It's the aim of the socialist dems... They want us all to move to the cities and live in high rise apartments while they take our land... It is the ultimate goal

Posted by: It's me donna at June 16, 2019 12:31 PM (O2RFr)

23 When you don't have real oppression, you have to resort to faux outrage. It's a global climate crisis!

I loved seeing his foxhole buddy scrambling to find the right key to unlock the bike lock.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:32 PM (kQs4Y)

24 Also, today is the Rocky Mountain TV News Producers Championships. In this grueling day of elite competition, news teams around the Mountain West are forced by the Party to provide glowing, wall-to-wall live coverage of an enormous, raw-dog public sodomy festival.

The tournament is scored much like golf... after the 11pm broadcast, the networks tally everything up, and the production team with the lowest FCC fines on their broadcast is crowned the champ.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 16, 2019 12:32 PM (5aX2M)

25 I've seen this movie before. Spoiler: once the duck processing machine develops a taste for humans, it is seldom satisfied with mere duck.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 12:32 PM (t+qrx)

26 Chiang Chang Choo is one dumb son-of-a-bitch.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 12:29 PM (Z+IKu)

Chains and gears and belts and rollers....oh my!

Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 12:32 PM (ykq7q)

27 Duck face Chiang

Posted by: Archer at June 16, 2019 12:32 PM (RgTRz)

28 25 I've seen this movie before. Spoiler: once the duck processing machine develops a taste for humans, it is seldom satisfied with mere duck.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 12:32 PM (t+qrx)
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It starts force-feeding Chiang with walnuts.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:33 PM (kQs4Y)

29
I don't have illusions about industrial livestock farming but I'm sure that at a certain scale one motivated to do so can cherrypick something nasty.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:34 PM (Wx/+I)

30 Had the Darwin Award in his grasped, and let it go.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 12:34 PM (VaN/j)

31 He ducked when he should have zagged.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 12:34 PM (2DOZq)

32 Chiang one dumb sumbitch.

Posted by: Sum Ting Wong at June 16, 2019 12:35 PM (EgshT)

33 - "The demand for duck is that great that there's a duck processing farm"



When you see duck on a menu the chef didn't just shoot them in the morning.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 16, 2019 12:35 PM (4thlk)

34
Machines don't stop operating because of your social-justice credentials.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:35 PM (Wx/+I)

35 The intelligence of these people is legion

Posted by: Archer at June 16, 2019 12:35 PM (RgTRz)

36 It starts force-feeding Chiang with walnuts.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:33 PM (kQs4Y)


Activist foie gras: not very tasty, but at least it's cruel.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 12:35 PM (t+qrx)

37 But can't they use proper grammar.

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Grammar is a tool of the bourgeoisie used to silence the enlightened!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 12:36 PM (+y/Ru)

38 Turn those machines back on!

Posted by: Duke and Duck at June 16, 2019 12:36 PM (PxX58)

39 "Almost decapitating my head from my neck,"

As opposed to decapitating his real head from his dick.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 12:36 PM (m79Dg)

40 The next time I eat pate, I will check the can to make sure it's vegan-safe.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:37 PM (kQs4Y)

41 Last vacation I took my lib sister joimed us for a few day. I was thinking of taking one of those tourist carriage rides, mostly for kids, but my sister inferred me that was cruelty to animals. Taking them to see some dolphin show was off limits too because the dolphins would be happier frolicking in the ocean and trying to find food to survive and avoid sharks.



Never vacation with libs.

Posted by: Ripley at June 16, 2019 12:37 PM (MxEKc)

42 wall-to-wall live coverage of an enormous, raw-dog public sodomy festival.

The tournament is scored much like golf

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Hole in one!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 12:38 PM (+y/Ru)

43 The Left hates property rights. You must join the Borg. All else is tactics.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at June 16, 2019 12:38 PM (hYUjK)

44
*shakes head sadly*

*sighs*

*shakes fist at sky*

*kicks dirt*

Posted by: Zombie Darwin at June 16, 2019 12:38 PM (J2mEl)

45 Activist foie gras: not very tasty, but at least it's cruel.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 12:35 PM (t+qrx)

Dancing Activist! It's the newest Japanese cruel food craze!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:38 PM (kQs4Y)

46 The next time I eat pate, I will check the can to make sure it's non cannibalistic -safe.

FIFY

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 12:38 PM (BbGew)

47 I've seen this movie before. Spoiler: once the duck processing machine develops a taste for humans, it is seldom satisfied with mere duck.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 12:32 PM

*steams innocently*

What...?

Posted by: The Mangler at June 16, 2019 12:39 PM (Vzb0I)

48 Chiang one dumb sumbitch.
Posted by: Sum Ting Wong at June 16, 2019 12:35 PM (EgshT)

His parent's affectionate nickname for him is Yuan Dum Fuk.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 12:39 PM (m79Dg)

49 Last vacation I took my lib sister joimed us for a few day. I was thinking of taking one of those tourist carriage rides, mostly for kids, but my sister inferred me that was cruelty to animals. Taking them to see some dolphin show was off limits too because the dolphins would be happier frolicking in the ocean and trying to find food to survive and avoid sharks.


Never vacation with libs.
Posted by: Ripley

We did a mule carriage ride around Charleston. Great ride and they went on about how well the animals are treated.
Better than some children are treated by their parents

Posted by: Bruce at June 16, 2019 12:40 PM (vd8XM)

50 "...the progressive conceit that the law doesn't apply to them because they
have some elevated privilege to right the perceived wrongs of society
smacks of elitism."

It is virtue LARPing as a policy position. The protester justifies their actions via their moral virtue, and like all of the far left, frames any criticism or consequences of their actions through this moral lens. It is as predictable as watching paint dry.

The far left accusations of "racist" and what not are just another variant of this strategy. Defame the moral agency of those they don't like by casting aspersions about their moral character because who listens to what evil people have to say?

Democrats have been doing this for more then 40 years on transfer payment programs (think Medicaid/Social Security). Any expressed desire to fix the current broken system is met with attacks on the moral agency of those trying to fix things, "You want grandma to eat dog food."

Posted by: Unknownsailor at June 16, 2019 12:40 PM (b/yHB)

51 Posted by: lowandslow at June 16, 2019 12:35 PM (4thlk)

Really?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 12:40 PM (2DOZq)

52
If there's anyone who would know about animal cruelty it's a Chinese.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:41 PM (Wx/+I)

53 This is why you should never watch Chinese food being made.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 16, 2019 12:41 PM (PxX58)

54
Yes...yes...of course.

Great Global Duck Crisis!

How can we not act!!!

The globes going quackers!

Posted by: naturalfake at June 16, 2019 12:42 PM (J2mEl)

55 >>It's the aim of the socialist dems... They want us all to move to the cities and live in high rise apartments while they take our land... It is the ultimate goal



As a Congressman, Jared Polis attempted to make a large portion of Eagle County (Vail area) off-limits to anything motorized by designating it a "hidden gem." That meant no emergency vehicles (rescue helicopters and ambulances, firefighting transportation), no chainsaws, no bicycles (until they made a carve-out for miffed mountain bikers), no snowmobiles - basically, hikers only. This "hidden gem" needed to be protected from the people who lived near it and had enjoyed so that virtuous outsiders could walk in it undisturbed.

Best part? This would have meant that the nearby high altitude helicopter pilot training facility - the only one of its kind in the world - would have been unable to fly above it.

This is the outsiders' mindset when they come to Colorado and discover its beauty: it must be protected from the locals, preserved just for my enjoyment since I alone appreciate its majesty.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 12:42 PM (W+vEI)

56 Dear eco-waridiots,
The duck processing machine can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 16, 2019 12:43 PM (r+sAi)

57 Happy Father's Day to all of the Morons! Even if you are not a father, Happy Father's Day! I am positive you have been a mentor to at least one person in your life, whether through teaching a skill, a pat on the back, or a shoulder to cry on, a good friend.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 16, 2019 12:43 PM (Kcf2u)

58 Sum Ting Wong?

Hmmm

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 12:43 PM (6qErC)

59 Alright, I'm making a t-shirt.

"Escalate Actions Against Global Crisis" (TM)


applies to any cause any progtard can get their hissy-fit on about.

I figure to be a millionaire approximately 15 seconds aft this goes for sale online.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 16, 2019 12:44 PM (J2mEl)

60 "And don't skimp on the pate!"

"Oh, monsieur, we would never dream of skimping on the pate even though it is all mixed together in a bucket. In fact, I will personally see to it that you have a double helping."

Maitre d' whispers to peon: "Hey, bring him the human pate. He won't know the difference. He's American."

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 12:45 PM (m79Dg)

61 You want grandma to eat dog food."

Hmmm.

Anybody price dog food lately?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 12:45 PM (6qErC)

62
Special thoughts on this Father's Day to those whose fathers were complete and utter human trash.

(N.B. not mine, I might add)

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:45 PM (Wx/+I)

63 Bette Midler is trying to out-Muldoon Muldoon.

Bette Midler
@BetteMidler
Everyone loathes Donald Trump,
Including the Ladies he Humps.
I predict you will see,
He'll begin World War III,
By Tweeting while taking a Dump.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 12:45 PM (+y/Ru)

64
Muldoon >>>> Midler

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:46 PM (Wx/+I)

65 That meant no emergency vehicles (rescue helicopters and ambulances, firefighting transportation)...
Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 12:42 PM (W+vEI)


Circulate a petition. Make the regulations enforceable only on those who signed. Seems fair.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 12:47 PM (t+qrx)

66 Nothing wrong with the grammar but the ideas are extremely uh, incoherent.

Posted by: Tu abuela tambien at June 16, 2019 12:47 PM (efMXe)

67 Defame the moral agency of those they don't like by casting aspersions about their moral character because who listens to what evil people have to say?

Posted by: Unknownsailor at June 16, 2019 12:40 PM (b/yHB)


I do. It's usually more informative.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 12:47 PM (m79Dg)

68 Libs should try living in third world country where domesticated animals of all types (not just cat and dogs but pigs, cows, chickens etc...) are roaming around all over the place. You lose some of their sentimental feeling about them after a few months.

Posted by: Ripley at June 16, 2019 12:48 PM (MxEKc)

69 I don't have illusions about industrial livestock farming but I'm sure
that at a certain scale one motivated to do so can cherrypick something
nasty.
=====

PP is industrial livestock farming. If a cherry-pick falls in a silent forest, can one hand clap. Koan 145 /s

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 16, 2019 12:49 PM (MIKMs)

70 I saw Chiang Unchained open for Blood Sweat and Tears at the Gorge in George in '79.
Unchained Melody was awesome!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 12:49 PM (axyOa)

71 "You want grandma to eat dog food."
Posted by: Unknownsailor at June 16, 2019 12:40 PM (b/yHB)

There are some very tasty dog foods on the market these days.--Los Angeles Homeless dog food conoisseur.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 12:50 PM (m79Dg)

72 My "dad" was an alcoholic asshole. He made fun of me and callled me names. He never told me he was proud of me. He never treated me like my friends' dads treated them

His father cornered me in the garage and groped me

My kids' dad is no longer on speaking terms with his sons.

God bless you dads who stepped up and did the hard work. Your children are blessed.

Posted by: No one of consequence at June 16, 2019 12:50 PM (NWiLs)

73 The left needs to be challenged to live a year under all of the rules they want.
They would be put into an area where they cannot infect others.
They will be allowed to add rules, but not take any away.

Let's see what happens

Posted by: Bruce at June 16, 2019 12:51 PM (vd8XM)

74 "Almost decapitating my head from my neck," Chiang told ABC7."


LOL, dumbass almost got himself turned into...


Peking Duck!

Posted by: Bert G at June 16, 2019 12:52 PM (OMsf+)

75 this farm was accused five years ago ... they gave authorities full access, who then found them in compliance with industry standards.


Some poultry standards seemed a little cruel ... I think they have upgraded some. In general, livestock treated poorly is not good for production or profits. I'd be glad to see more people develop small farms and produce locally, rather than giant "factory farms" owned by distant globalists, that hire illegals (who they also treat poorly).



But the eco-nutz mostly just want to end all meat production, turn us all into soyboys, and Utopia will magically arise from the ashes of Western Civilization.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 12:52 PM (Cus5s)

76 @BetteMidler


Stay classy, you fat, washed-up sow.

Posted by: Sum Ting Wong at June 16, 2019 12:52 PM (EgshT)

77 U.S. District Court Judge William Jung isn't going to let his courtroom turn into a political battleground. He delivered that message loud and clear Friday when he tossed out a complaint brought by a former Trump campaign staffer. Alva Johnson claims that during Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, he kissed her without her consent. She also alleges pay inequity for women and African-Americans on the campaign.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 12:53 PM (+y/Ru)

78 Lefties and other mentally ill people don't realize how lucky they are that the mature, normal adults that surround them have patience and restraint.

Posted by: windbag at June 16, 2019 12:53 PM (tKktY)

79 LOL, dumbass almost got himself turned into...
Peking Duck!"

Ho. Lee. ....

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 12:53 PM (6qErC)

80 The left needs to be challenged to live a year under all of the rules they want.
They would be put into an area where they cannot infect others.
They will be allowed to add rules, but not take any away.

Let's see what happens
Posted by: Bruce at June 16, 2019 12:51 PM (vd8XM)


All I want is for them to enjoy all of the wonderful things they promise to everyone else. No matter how much they beg for it to stop.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 12:54 PM (t+qrx)

81
Ethical questions come from all directions in undercover Fair Oaks Farms videos

Dairy farms and animal rights activists, alike, find themselves on the defensive as undercover videos stir emotions about scale, scope and treatment at big farming operations


https://outline.com/D8PJSU

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 12:54 PM (aKsyK)

82 Chiang forgot to duck.
I'll show myself out.

Posted by: Regular joe at June 16, 2019 12:54 PM (6/uwW)

83 This is the outsiders' mindset when they come to Colorado and discover
its beauty: it must be protected from the locals, preserved just for my
enjoyment since I alone appreciate its majesty.
=====

Are they trying to recreate Mackinack Island? Makes no sense.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 16, 2019 12:54 PM (MIKMs)

84 Abbie Hoffman said your right to swing your arm (fist) stops at my face. These people protesting have all been indoctrinated in the "by any means necessary" thought experience. I often wonder if these professional agitators will ever awaken.

Posted by: Chillin the most at June 16, 2019 12:54 PM (lonOK)

85
But the eco-nutz mostly just want to end all meat production, turn us all into soyboys, and Utopia will magically arise from the ashes of Western Civilization.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 12:52 PM (Cus5s)


At which point all the poor animals they're so concerned about become non-existent.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:55 PM (Wx/+I)

86 If full on socialism comes to the US, these eco-fakes will be the first ones stealing a duck to eat.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 16, 2019 12:55 PM (r+sAi)

87
*hands go to where head used to be*

*uses sign language*

Hey, I feel smarter now!

Posted by: Headless Chiang of an alternate Timeline at June 16, 2019 12:55 PM (J2mEl)

88 In general, livestock treated poorly is not good for production or profits"

Yeah, about that. "Mistreatment" doesn't lead to good yields.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 12:56 PM (6qErC)

89 In general, livestock treated poorly is not good for production or profits"

Yeah, about that. "Mistreatment" doesn't lead to good yields.
Posted by: Anon a mouse

I've worked at a slaughterhouse.
Good news Soy Boys. Any animal that doesn't die right away, gets put on a special shelf

Posted by: Bruce at June 16, 2019 12:57 PM (vd8XM)

90 76
@BetteMidler



Stay classy, you fat, washed-up sow.


Posted by: Sum Ting Wong at June 16, 2019 12:52 PM (EgshT)

+++Never could stand the witch, even before her on-running tangents against Trump. Caught her years ago on some talk show where she was mocking and tearing up the patrons (especially the old ones) of Las Vegas casinos. You know, the very people who buy tickets to her shows.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 16, 2019 12:58 PM (Kcf2u)

91 5 You can just shoot through a door at them with a shotgun.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 16, 2019 12:22 PM (rRxrm)


I bet UPS and FedEx drivers weren't terribly fond of that remark.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 12:58 PM (sdi6R)

92 "You want grandma to eat dog food."

That was one of the USSR's great propaganda failures.

During the 1980 recession, Soviet propaganda trumpeted that American workers were so poor that they had to eat dog food.

The response of ordinary Russians: "Americans are so rich that they have special food for dogs?"

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 12:59 PM (I2/tG)

93 "We have to escalate all of our actions because this is a global crisis we're under,"

I hear this and phrases like it quite often. It's the all-purpose justification for superseding laws, rules and due process. The Left has done their job -- inculcating hysteria, self-righteousness, and a determined ignorance fortified against all arguments.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:00 PM (H8QX8)

94 Are they trying to recreate Mackinack Island? Makes no sense.
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 16, 2019 12:54 PM (MIKMs)


Mackinac Island has motorized fire and ambulance services.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 01:00 PM (t+qrx)

95
US dog food >>> Soviet people food.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 01:00 PM (Wx/+I)

96 In Islam tools like this wear suicide vests.

In Japan tools like this dove planes into American warships.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:01 PM (n7RTy)

97 "Almost decapitating my head from my neck," Chiang told ABC7.

-----------

Now if only there were a machine that could remove his head from his ass...

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 01:02 PM (gC2IV)

98 41
Last vacation I took my lib sister joimed us for a few day. I was
thinking of taking one of those tourist carriage rides, mostly for kids,
but my sister inferred me that was cruelty to animals.


Posted by: Ripley at June 16, 2019 12:37 PM (MxEKc)

---
I always like to point out to people that if the carriage ride is shut down, the horses will be slaughtered.

Their blood will be on YOUR hands, activists!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:02 PM (cfSRQ)

99 There's a global crisis in my pants!

Posted by: Bette Didler at June 16, 2019 01:03 PM (EgshT)

100 Wasn't this referenced in a Star Trek episode about a Chinese rice picker?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:03 PM (n7RTy)

101 This is the outsiders' mindset when they come to Colorado and discover its beauty: it must be protected from the locals, preserved just for my enjoyment since I alone appreciate its majesty.

A number of years ago, a Democratic Congresswoman from Connecticut went on vacation to Wyoming, and was so stunned by Wyoming's beauty that she went back to Washington and proposed a bill that would have basically turned Wyoming into a wilderness area.

She was astonished when Wyoming politicians opposed this wonderful piece of legislation.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 01:03 PM (I2/tG)

102
Can you still get carriage rides in NYC or did DeBlasio's pal take over the stables?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 01:04 PM (Wx/+I)

103 I always like to point out to people that if the carriage ride is shut down, the horses will be slaughtered.

Their blood will be on YOUR hands, activists!
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd

Nuh uh. They'll go to that farm upstate where they can run and jump and play.

Posted by: Bruce at June 16, 2019 01:04 PM (vd8XM)

104 I read 18 of those 40 books, so I got that going for me.
Which is nice.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 16, 2019 01:04 PM (ufFY8)

105 US dog food >>> Soviet people food.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 01:00 PM (Wx/+I)

Actually current US dog food is better than a lot of US human food. The variety, quality and healthfulness of dog food is pretty remarkable.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:05 PM (H8QX8)

106 want grandma to eat dog food."

That was one of the USSR's great propaganda failures.

During the 1980 recession, Soviet propaganda trumpeted that American workers were so poor that they had to eat dog food.

The response of ordinary Russians: "Americans are so rich that they have special food for dogs?"
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 16, 2019 12:59 PM (I2/tG)

That's funny! I spent summers on my grandparents farm because my parents worked and I would be alone all day otherwise. We had lots of stray cats around and a couple of dogs but we didn't feed the cats cause my grandparents said they wouldn't hunt for food if we fed them. My grandparents were Russian!

Posted by: Chillin the most at June 16, 2019 01:05 PM (lonOK)

107 YOU GO NOW! YOU BEEN HEAH FO HOWAH!

Posted by: Duck Machine at June 16, 2019 01:05 PM (gC2IV)

108 If people would just stop having kids balance would return to nature and there wouldn't be cruelty to animals.

Posted by: Ripley at June 16, 2019 01:05 PM (MxEKc)

109
Nuh uh. They'll go to that farm upstate where they can run and jump and play.

Posted by: Bruce at June 16, 2019 01:04 PM (vd8XM)


They should be given to the libs whose hearts bleed for them.

In two months the horses will be begging to be slaughtered.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 01:06 PM (Wx/+I)

110 WA state DNR is in the process of removing all docks, except those leased by rich folks. When they are done, people with riverfront property will have less access to the water.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 16, 2019 01:07 PM (Lqy/e)

111 These people protesting have all been indoctrinated in the "by any means necessary" thought experience. I often wonder if these professional agitators will ever awaken.
Posted by: Chillin the most at June 16, 2019 12:54 PM (lonOK)

They learn a few years after they are thrown in a gulag. Otherwise they take their delusions to the grave.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 16, 2019 01:07 PM (rnAwa)

112 Too stupid to even serve as a sandbag.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 16, 2019 01:07 PM (9Om/r)

113 Actually current US dog food is better than a lot of
US human food. The variety, quality and healthfulness of dog food is
pretty remarkable.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:05 PM (H8QX

---
I remember when Rush did a riff on liberals claiming old people had to live on cat food.

So I went to the store to test this theory. Canned cat food is - by volume - far more expensive than what people eat.

When we give our cats a treat, we give them canned tuna, which they absolutely adore. It is sooo much cheaper than actual cat food.

And probably better for them.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:08 PM (cfSRQ)

114 These activists think they are Sir Percival when in reality they are Don Quixote.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:08 PM (n7RTy)

115 removing all docks, except those leased by rich folks. "

Well of course. How would you like it if some shlub in a jonboat could have access to your pristine view?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 16, 2019 01:10 PM (6qErC)

116 Things your mother never told you because she thought you knew better: "Don't stick your head in that machine."

Things your father never told you because he left before you were born: "Don't stick your head in that machine."

Posted by: Burger Chef at June 16, 2019 01:10 PM (RuIsu)

117 112
Too stupid to even serve as a sandbag.


Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 16, 2019 01:07 PM (9Om/r)

---
As Basic Training was winding down, one of the habitual idiots in our platoon finally set off the platoon sergeant. He said something to the effect of: "Get this, private. The only reason I'm letting you finish basic is because when you go out into the field, you will take a bullet meant for one of these men. That's the only reason. You're their bullet magnet and when you get shot, that will let them know to keep their heads down."

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:11 PM (cfSRQ)

118 Nothing reminds one of the circle of life than putting out wet food for my kittehs. And Isis scurries in with a juicy plump field mouse in her jaws that is hanging limply by the neck. And to complete the feeling of her being a killing machine to hear the crunch-crunch-crunch of bones being masticated by her and when I see the mouse next it is missing its whole head.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:12 PM (n7RTy)

119 These activists think they are Sir Percival when in reality they are Don Quixote.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:08 PM (n7RTy)

Don Quixote at least at a good heart, even if his brain was addled. No, these self-righteous pricks are more like AOC, if AOC fetished her poop by rolling it into little balls.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 01:12 PM (m79Dg)

120 Just got here, from priming a basement door, o it might have already been said, but......


Right to Life activists.

Would they receive the same level of support from the Left, due to the global crisis of children within days of birth being slaughtered, cut into pieces and removed from the womb.

Or is their death a needed byproduct of an international need for baby parts?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:12 PM (cqNba)

121 102 hard to keep track but I think it's was stopped there or Philadelphia or both.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 01:13 PM (BbGew)

122 Minor observation: it's really hard to look dignified with your dumb head stuck in a duck processing machine that's slowly dragging you along because you locked your neck to it.

It seems obvious when you say it out loud, but I guess it's just one of those little things that never managed to cross my threshold of awareness.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 01:14 PM (t+qrx)

123
Actually current US dog food is better than a lot of
US human food. The variety, quality and healthfulness of dog food is
pretty remarkable.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice


I remember Jackie Gleason doing a stand up routine and he mentioned fancy dog foods of the day. He said "when I was growing up we had a dog. He didn't get good food. He ate what WE ate!"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 01:14 PM (aKsyK)

124 Nothing reminds one of the circle of life than putting out wet food for my kittehs. And Isis scurries in with a juicy plump field mouse in her jaws that is hanging limply by the neck. And to complete the feeling of her being a killing machine to hear the crunch-crunch-crunch of bones being masticated by her and when I see the mouse next it is missing its whole head.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:12 PM (n7RTy)

We eat the heads of our kills to honor them. We absorb their intelligence and memories.--Spokescat for the International Cat Alliance.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 01:15 PM (m79Dg)

125 118
Nothing reminds one of the circle of life than putting out wet food for
my kittehs. And Isis scurries in with a juicy plump field mouse in her
jaws that is hanging limply by the neck. And to complete the feeling of
her being a killing machine to hear the crunch-crunch-crunch of bones
being masticated by her and when I see the mouse next it is missing its
whole head.


Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:12 PM (n7RTy)

---
Our generally docile cat found a moth yesterday. She took one of is wings off, then stretched out next to it, lazily batting it around as it frantically flapped the remaining limb.

Cats are true Hobbesians.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:17 PM (cfSRQ)

126
It seems obvious when you say it out loud, but I guess it's just one of those little things that never managed to cross my threshold of awareness.

Posted by: hogmartin


"Relax, you won't feel a thing." - Ducks

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 01:18 PM (Wx/+I)

127 "We eat the heads of our kills to honor them. We absorb their intelligence and memories.--Spokescat for the International Cat Alliance."

We eat cat turds.

Cause they make us smarter

Posted by: Spokesdog for We B Dogs, Inc. at June 16, 2019 01:18 PM (cqNba)

128 But the eco-nutz mostly just want to end all meat production, turn us all into soyboys, and Utopia will magically arise from the ashes of Western Civilization.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 12:52 PM (Cus5s)

Killing animals is immoral. They would be inventing faster than light travel if we provided them with the proper educational opportunities. If you have to eat meat, you should just get it at the grocery store like we do.--Liberal #235786.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 01:19 PM (m79Dg)

129 Greetings from NW Ontario. I have cell signal at least for a little while.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 16, 2019 01:19 PM (/2bdG)

130
Actually the ducks are saying, "I don't mind dying, but why must I die with this idiot?"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 01:19 PM (Wx/+I)

131 Hello, Muad'dib.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 01:20 PM (t+qrx)

132 Actually the ducks are saying, "I don't mind dying, but why must I die with this idiot?"

That's probably a Far Side cartoon.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:20 PM (n7RTy)

133 114 These activists think they are Sir Percival when in reality they are Don Quixote.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:08 PM (n7RTy)

Hey now!

Posted by: Don Q at June 16, 2019 01:20 PM (NgKpN)

134 Howdy Hogmartin. Just made shore lunch for the boys. We are in food comas.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 16, 2019 01:21 PM (/2bdG)

135 >>> 97 "Almost decapitating my head from my neck," Chiang told ABC7.

-----------

Now if only there were a machine that could remove his head from his ass...
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 01:02 PM (gC2IV)

It's called a helicopter.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 16, 2019 01:22 PM (0ReGO)

136 It seems obvious when you say it out loud, but I
guess it's just one of those little things that never managed to cross
my threshold of awareness.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 01:14 PM (t+qrx)

---
Liberalism is based on the heretical belief that intentions > results.

No matter how many people suffer, if you meant well, there is no sin.

This is why nothing they support actually works, and they never apologize for failure.

It's also how they can do a 180 on something and not care about the hypocrisy because their intentions remain pure.

BTW, this belief system can only work in a society well-insulated from immediate, personal consequences for failure.

That may not be the case much longer. I joke about the rain here, but farmers have missed the window to plant. No crops go on = no food comes out. May be a lean winter this year.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:22 PM (cfSRQ)

137 Present Moron company excluded.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:22 PM (n7RTy)

138 "Actually the ducks are saying, "I don't mind dying, but why must I die with this idiot?" "

Maybe we could convince these idiots that corn is actually sentient.

Come harvest time, maybe they will chain themselves to one of those huge John Deere corn harvesting thingies.

Or fish.

They could chain themselves to a trawl net turtle excluder.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:23 PM (cqNba)

139 129 Greetings from NW Ontario. I have cell signal at least for a little while.
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 16, 2019 01:19 PM (/2bdG)
---
Are you squatchin', fishin', hikin', or huntin'?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 01:24 PM (kQs4Y)

140 Next episode of America's Deadliest Catch they trawl for protestors.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:25 PM (n7RTy)

141 >01:19 PM (/2bdG)
---
Are you squatchin', fishin', hikin', or huntin'?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 01:24 PM (kQs4Y)



Fishing Eris. We rent a houseboat every year. Presently tied up on a beach on an island in Lake of the Woods.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 16, 2019 01:26 PM (/2bdG)

142 funny how people really don't wanna eat poultry that has died of old age.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 01:26 PM (V2Yro)

143 140
Next episode of America's Deadliest Catch they trawl for protestors.


Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:25 PM (n7RTy)

---
Some GOP bombthrower should require that 50 percent of crab boat crews and coal mining shifts be made up of women.

For equality.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:26 PM (cfSRQ)

144 Why did someone turn the machine off or help this asshole get out?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 16, 2019 01:27 PM (pw+jk)

145 We eat cat turds.

Cause they make us smarter
Posted by: Spokesdog for We B Dogs, Inc. at June 16, 2019 01:18 PM (cqNba)

So this is what is discussed on the Sunday Pet Thread. I've already increased my knowledge of animal behavior.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 01:27 PM (m79Dg)

146
Why did someone turn the machine off or help this asshole get out?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 16, 2019 01:27 PM (pw+jk)


Product contamination

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 01:28 PM (Wx/+I)

147 "Almost decapitating my head from my neck,"


And decapitation can cause serious injuries.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 01:28 PM (Sr57E)

148 funny how people really don't wanna eat poultry that has died of old age.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 01:26 PM (V2Yro)

Or roadkill. I guess you have to be REALLY hungry.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 01:28 PM (m79Dg)

149 How will climate change affect the Great Lakes? by Grant Goodrich
December 22, 2009
...
In reading through the many reports on this subject, most climate models suggest that we may see declines in lake levels over the next 100 years; one suggests that we may see declines of up to 2.5 meters (8.2 feet). Granted, this is hardly conclusive; another model that suggests a "wetter" future climate over the Great Lakes projects a small increase in lake levels. The truth is likely somewhere in between, with water levels falling between 0.23 meters and 2.5 meters.
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Warming Lakes: Climate Change and Variability Drive Low Water Levels on the Great Lakes
November 20, 2012
...
A 2002 National Geographic magazine story, Down the Drain: The Incredible Shrinking Great Lakes, documents declining lake levels and the potential economic and ecological consequences for the region. Ten years later, the story continues to unfold, as water levels remain lower than normal.

Lake Levels Remain Below the Long-term Average The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (Corps) began keeping coordinated water level records in 1918. They base "events" on calculations of monthly average lake level. Lake Michigan-Huron, considered one lake for hydrological studies because of the connection at the Straits of Mackinac, was 576.6 feet (175.74 meters) above sea level in October. The all-time record low for all months occurred in March 1964, when the lake dropped to 576.0 feet (175.58 meters).
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The Great Lakes are overflowing with record amounts of water
June 6, 2019
...
"Over the past two decades, water levels on the Great Lakes have gone through an unprecedented period of persistent below-average conditions, a record-setting rate of water level rise and, now, a series of record-setting high levels," said Drew Gronewold, a hydrologist at the University of Michigan. While experts work to better understand the effects of climate change on Great Lakes water levels, they are seeing increased evidence of a new normal, characterized by rapid shifts between extreme high and low levels. To see this in action, we need look no further than the flooding of today, compared with the record lows six years ago. "We are undoubtedly observing the effects of a warming climate in the Great Lakes," wrote Richard Rood, a University of Michigan climate scientist. "We are at the beginning of what's going to be a number of decades where the climate is going to be changing very fast. During that time, we will have many unexpected weather events, and we need to learn from these events to better prepare for the future."
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Also from the middle article above:

Great Lakes water levels normally fluctuate throughout the year and from one year to the next depending on climate conditions. The lakes naturally cycle between periods of high water and low water, but abrupt changes in annual water levels are not unusual. These fluctuations are due to climate variability and are considered vital to a healthy ecosystem.
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In other words, if the Great Lake levels ever don't hit extreme *enough* levels for too long that will ALSO be due Global Warming. I guess socialism is the only answer.

Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 01:28 PM (uEbPt)

150 " Why did someone turn the machine off or help this asshole get out?"

Can't sell duck that is contaminated with stupid.

More economical to shut the machine off, remove the stupid, and press the start button again.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:29 PM (cqNba)

151 Groucho Marx, "Waiter! There's Human in my duck soup!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:29 PM (n7RTy)

152 Fishing Eris. We rent a houseboat every year. Presently tied up on a beach on an island in Lake of the Woods.
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 16, 2019 01:26 PM (/2bdG)
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That sounds like heaven!

I just read that it has over 14,550 islands.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 01:31 PM (kQs4Y)

153 BTW, this belief system can only work in a society well-insulated from immediate, personal consequences for failure.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:22 PM (cfSRQ)


The tragedy of our age right here.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 01:31 PM (t+qrx)

154 ""Waiter! There's Human in my duck soup!"

Correct usage is:

Waiter, what's a human doing in my duck soup?

Why Sir, it appears to be the backstroke.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:31 PM (cqNba)

155 Shep Smith once said decapitation victims were being treated at a hospital. He is big dum.

Posted by: Jmel at June 16, 2019 01:32 PM (LnNEa)

156 "Shep Smith once said decapitation victims were being treated at a hospital. He is big dum."

Probably not eating enough cat turds.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:33 PM (cqNba)

157 Shep Smith once said decapitation victims were being treated at a hospital. He is big dum.
Posted by: Jmel at June 16, 2019 01:32 PM (LnNEa)


Shep Smith eats cat poo too. He wants to be smart.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (aS1PU)

158 When I was in collage we made some packaged brownies and the vegetarian next door neighbor came over to mooch some of them. So he goes to the box of premixed brownies and reads the ingredients. Finds some kind of something he is offended by so won't eat/mooch our brownies. My roommate tell the moocher to just pick the offending ingredient out of the cooked brownies. Oh we ROTFL. Ass moocher never came by again... IT WAS GLORIOUS!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (pw+jk)

159 In other words, if the Great Lake levels ever don't
hit extreme *enough* levels for too long that will ALSO be due Global
Warming. I guess socialism is the only answer.


Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 01:28 PM (uEbPt)

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Pretty much. It's an article of faith, nothing to do with science.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (cfSRQ)

160 155 Shep Smith once said decapitation victims were being treated at a hospital. He is big dum.

Posted by: Jmel at June 16, 2019 01:32 PM (LnNEa)

Out of curiosity, how many band aids does that take?

Posted by: Parker at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (MFwf8)

161 So if the duck machine catches fire would you say that it is smoking quack?

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (Sr57E)

162 but the progressive conceit that the law doesn't apply to them because they have some elevated privilege to right the perceived wrongs of society smacks of elitism.


Everyone's a hero until the metal strikes the meat.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (yQpMk)

163 >
That sounds like heaven!

I just read that it has over 14,550 islands.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 01:31 PM (kQs4Y)



It's heaven for us, for sure. We're on an island about 15 miles south of Kenora.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (/2bdG)

164 155
Shep Smith once said decapitation victims were being treated at a hospital. He is big dum.

Posted by: Jmel at June 16, 2019 01:32 PM (LnNEa)

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When hiring news readers, it's increasingly clear that lack of gag reflex > intelligence.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:35 PM (cfSRQ)

165 The fun thing about the great lakes story is that even the stories detailing how bad the predictions are don't mention the reason why the Great Lakes are rising - they're rising because of the huge snowpack that developed over the winter. It started early, and stayed late.

The Great Lakes literally are rising because the North is getting colder. There's your "global warming " for ya.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 01:35 PM (V2Yro)

166 If any of you clowns had a brian you wood reed Presdent Obam's book !! You be might learn something !!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Obamaboro, VT and Prood of it !!! at June 16, 2019 01:36 PM (qM84C)

167 So, I tried a couple of news articles to figure out what's going on here and I couldn't.

The Reichhardt Duck Farm slaughters 1 mm ducks a year. That makes it sound more like a knacker than a farm. Do they have space for 1 mm ducks?

And they provide ducks to local restaurants. Again, 1 mm seems high.

And they treat the animals poorly and some are supposed to be starving. Now, if they are in fact a farm and they sell to restaurants and poultry wholesalers why would they starve the animals?

"Here, it's $5 a duck no matter what the duck looks like. That's right, and we'll save $1 in feed by selling you a starved duck. You want to buy a starved duck, right?"

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 01:36 PM (fuK7c)

168 The Great Lakes literally are rising because the North is getting colder. There's your "global warming " for ya.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 01:35 PM (V2Yro)


Silly rabbit. Everyone knows that global warming causes lower temperatures.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 16, 2019 01:36 PM (aS1PU)

169 I sense a new meme in the making...

"Eating the cat poo! I so smart!" - Joey Bidet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:36 PM (n7RTy)

170
160 155 Shep Smith once said decapitation victims were being treated at a hospital. He is big dum.

Posted by: Jmel at June 16, 2019 01:32 PM (LnNEa)

Out of curiosity, how many band aids does that take?
Posted by: Parker at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (MFwf
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I used hot glue. Gives a better seal, and you can be on your way in about 10 minutes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 01:37 PM (kQs4Y)

171
Shep Smith once said decapitation victims were being treated at a hospital.



Shep was decapitated years ago.

Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 01:37 PM (Sr57E)

172 Silly rabbit. Everyone knows that global warming causes lower temperatures.



It's science.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2019 01:37 PM (yQpMk)

173


Everyone's a hero until the metal strikes the meat.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (yQpMk)

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Can't say this enough...

The old left was made up of tough, dangerous people. The kind of people who would get by on canned beans and cold, black coffee. They were ready and eager to die for the revolution in shabby clothes using obsolescent rifles that barely worked.

Today's bunch freakout if they think they might miss a meal or lose their phone.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:37 PM (cfSRQ)

174 The Great Lakes literally are rising because the North is getting colder. There's your "global warming " for ya.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 01:35 PM (V2Yro)

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More proof that people and their global warming is killing out home.

Now give me all your money!!

Posted by: Sandy Donkey-Chompers at June 16, 2019 01:38 PM (pw+jk)

175 "If any of you clowns had a brian you wood reed Presdent Obam's book !! You be might learn something !!!!!"

Have a cat turd, Mary.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:38 PM (cqNba)

176 136
BTW, this belief system can only work in a society well-insulated from immediate, personal consequences for failure.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:22 PM (cfSRQ)


Congratulations! You just said in one sentence what took Ayn Rand 1100+ pages to say.

Granted, it does require a bit more exposition, but still...

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 01:39 PM (sdi6R)

177 Cat-turd-day?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 01:40 PM (n7RTy)

178 I like the frosted with paste version of cat turds. They are delicious.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 16, 2019 01:40 PM (pw+jk)

179 Duck season!

Posted by: JackStraw at June 16, 2019 01:40 PM (PxX58)

180 This is awesome.

Only thing better would be if they actually died.

Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2019 01:41 PM (WtVuT)

181 170
160
155 Shep Smith once said decapitation victims were being treated at a hospital. He is big dum.

Posted by: Jmel at June 16, 2019 01:32 PM (LnNEa)
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Out of curiosity, how many band aids does that take?

Posted by: Parker at June 16, 2019 01:34 PM (MFwf
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I used hot glue. Gives a better seal, and you can be on your way in about 10 minutes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 01:37 PM (kQs4Y)
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Dopey me. I was just going to slap a hot iron to it.

Your way sounds much faster, and less painful...

Posted by: Parker at June 16, 2019 01:41 PM (MFwf8)

182
Congratulations! You just said in one sentence what took Ayn Rand 1100+ pages to say.



Granted, it does require a bit more exposition, but still...

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 01:39 PM (sdi6R)

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I tried to read Atlas Shrugged. I tried hard.

Couldn't do it. Such a boring slog. I hate abandoning a book, but that one was off the charts painful for me.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:42 PM (cfSRQ)

183 It's called a helicopter.



Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 16, 2019 01:22 PM (0ReGO)

From Pinochet Airlines?

Posted by: Grannymimi at June 16, 2019 01:43 PM (u5LFV)

184 >> I was just going to slap a hot iron to it.


That's fine. But, without a maxipad to cover it, it will just get infected.

Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2019 01:43 PM (WtVuT)

185 That's fine. But, without a maxipad to cover it, it will just get infected.
Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2019 01:43 PM (WtVuT)


You could rub dirt on it.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 01:44 PM (t+qrx)

186

Rabbit season!!

Posted by: Daffy Duck at June 16, 2019 01:44 PM (aKsyK)

187 >>You could rub dirt on it.


That'll fix it, too.

Or.


Just walk it off.

Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2019 01:45 PM (WtVuT)

188 Duck Season!!!

Posted by: Buggs Bunny at June 16, 2019 01:46 PM (pw+jk)

189 These people do know that the only animal rapier than a duck is a Democrat Lt. Governor, right?

Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2019 01:46 PM (WtVuT)

190 >>You could rub dirt on it.

A Father's Day.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 16, 2019 01:46 PM (PxX58)

191 I grew up near Lake Erie and remember from my earliest days how the lake, when it wasn't on the verge of death from pollution, was always at record highs or record lows and there was panic because there was going to be massive erosion of beachfront property or beachfront property was going to no longer be beachfront and the shipping lanes would soon be closed. It's as if there is some type of forces or something that has nothing to do with carbon dioxide. Weird.

Posted by: Ripley at June 16, 2019 01:46 PM (MxEKc)

192 These people do know that the only animal rapier than a duck is a Democrat Lt. Governor, right?
Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2019 01:46 PM (WtVuT)


Worse than dolphins?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 01:47 PM (t+qrx)

193 In this same vein, is it okay to light your property (and your neighbor's) up like a runway and then leave for a month?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: creeper at June 16, 2019 01:48 PM (BK/QP)

194 I remember the good old days when we had stories of walri raping penguins to death.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 01:49 PM (fuK7c)

195 "require that 50 percent of crab boat crews and coal mining shifts be made up of women. For equality." Lyoyd

ha, yeah, and front line military ... (except that would get good men killed) ... so let's do it this way, for each young male killed in battle, we have to kill on young female ... it is only fair ... (and figure in the trans ratio as well). Why should diversity only apply to the good things?

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 01:49 PM (Cus5s)

196 >>Worse than dolphins?


Like dolphins with feathers.

Basically, Penguins.

Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2019 01:50 PM (WtVuT)

197
Today's bunch freakout if they think they might miss a meal or lose their phone.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:37 PM (cfSRQ)

Today's bunch freaks out if someone innocently refers to them as "he" or "she" instead of "xhe".

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 01:52 PM (V2Yro)

198 I tell you, these women soccer players stop running and their proclivity for Sapphic Love becomes all too understandable.

Posted by: garrett at June 16, 2019 01:52 PM (WtVuT)

199 175 "If any of you clowns had a brian you wood reed Presdent Obam's book !! You be might learn something !!!!!"

I've heard that New Orleans has a Brian.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 01:53 PM (V2Yro)

200 166 How to hate the British Empire?

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 01:54 PM (BbGew)

201 182
I tried to read Atlas Shrugged. I tried hard.

Couldn't do it. Such a boring slog. I hate abandoning a book, but that one was off the charts painful for me.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:42 PM (cfSRQ)


I highly recommend her nonfiction essays. There are several collections. They are mostly short and to the point.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 01:56 PM (sdi6R)

202 I highly recommend her nonfiction essays. There are several collections. They are mostly short and to the point.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 01:56 PM (sdi6R)

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Like Tolkien, I'm not a fan of allegory. If I have to put up with it, get it over with. Don't waste my time by pretending that these characters are fully developed or that I give a damn what happens to them.

Just make your point, already.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:58 PM (cfSRQ)

203 I highly recommend her nonfiction essays. There are several collections. They are mostly short and to the point.
Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 01:56 PM (sdi6R)

I agree. Her novels are turgid and unreadable. Her essays are great.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:58 PM (H8QX8)

204 I see we now have an actual GET OFF MY LAWN post.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 01:58 PM (9SkN+)

205 Do a little dunce
Break a little dove

Get down tonight!

Posted by: KC and The Duck Processing Zip Line at June 16, 2019 01:58 PM (OctZG)

206 Timothy Treadwell may have been an idiot but he never chained himself to a bear.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 16, 2019 01:59 PM (9SkN+)

207 "Almost decapitating my head from my neck,"

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But did it successfully remove your head from your ass?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 16, 2019 02:00 PM (h1jJh)

208 I remember the good old days when we had stories of walri raping penguins to death.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 01:49 PM (fuK7c)


Is there a feminine plural form of "walrus"? If not, I nominate "walrixen".

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 02:01 PM (t+qrx)

209 So if he'd lost his head, he'd of been beside himself in anger.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 02:01 PM (axyOa)

210 I tried Atlas Shrugged twice. Couldn't get past 100 pages.

I loved The Fountainhead.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 16, 2019 02:02 PM (NWiLs)

211 "I tried to read Atlas Shrugged. I tried hard.



Couldn't do it. Such a boring slog. I hate abandoning a book, but that one was off the charts painful for me.



Posted by: A.H. Lloyd"


It's not too bad if you just read 1 out of 10 pages. You get the point and don't really miss anything.

Posted by: Ripley at June 16, 2019 02:02 PM (MxEKc)

212
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 16, 2019 02:03 PM (KATBx)

213 Is there a feminine plural form of "walrus"? If not, I nominate "walrixen".
Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 02:01 PM (t+qrx)
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Sounds saucy!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:03 PM (kQs4Y)

214 I highly recommend her nonfiction essays. There are several collections. They are mostly short and to the point.
Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 01:56 PM (sdi6R)

I agree. Her novels are turgid and unreadable. Her essays are great.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 16, 2019 01:58 PM (H8QX


Last week, my parents sent me the graphic novel version of what had been my favorite story of hers when I was little. It was originally published by a pamphlet printer, so it had to be brief. It didn't really lose anything in its brevity, either.

https://stoatnet.org/anthem.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 02:04 PM (t+qrx)

215 My understanding of Atlas Shrugged from the movie ... Government pretends to help the public via wise/caring oversight, but is really a mafia that sells influence and destroys any that defy them.


But on the other hand, it presents too rosy a picture of how "true capitalists" would build a magical kingdom. (see Soros, Kochs, Corzine, internet CEOs, CarlosSlim ... etc., our current fiat currency dilemma, for the myth of Capitalism Utopia)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 02:04 PM (Cus5s)

216 Is there a feminine plural form of "walrus"? If not, I nominate "walrixen".


Hmm. I'd have said walrae, but I like walrixen.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 02:04 PM (fuK7c)

217 I couldn't read Atlas Shrugged either. It was my dad's favorite book. I couldn't do it. I tried.

Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 02:08 PM (uEbPt)

218

Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg wants to start a family with his husband, Chasten, and says that could happen if he's in the White House.

"I don't see why not," the South Bend, Indiana, mayor says in a Father's Day television interview that also marked his one-year wedding anniversary.

He tells CNN's "State of the Union" that "it wouldn't be the first time that children have arrived to a first couple, but obviously that's a conversation I had better have with Chasten before I go into it too much on television.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 02:08 PM (aKsyK)

219 The Reichhardt Duck Farm slaughters 1 mm ducks a year.
****

those are tiny!

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 16, 2019 02:09 PM (h1jJh)

220 I tried Atlas Shrugged twice. Couldn't get past 100 pages.

I loved The Fountainhead.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 16, 2019 02:02 PM (NWiLs)


Is it not more of the same? I assumed it was.

Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 02:09 PM (uEbPt)

221 Nothing wrong with Atlas Shrugged that a good team of editors couldn't have fixed.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 16, 2019 02:10 PM (PxX58)

222 >> I couldn't read Atlas Shrugged either. It was my dad's favorite book. I couldn't do it. I tried.
Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 02:08 PM (uEbPt)

Read it twice. Once at 15 at the recommendation of my geometry teacher. Again later in my 30s.

Posted by: My life is insanity at June 16, 2019 02:11 PM (A0NQI)

223 218 he can bang his husband until the cows come home but it won't happen naturally

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 02:11 PM (BbGew)

224 Is there a feminine plural form of "walrus"? If not, I nominate "walrixen".

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 02:01 PM (t+qrx)

Yes. It's called a Lena.

Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 02:11 PM (uEbPt)

225 Try The Fountainhead.

It remains one of my favorite books. I read it in high school.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 16, 2019 02:11 PM (NWiLs)

226 Willing to risk their lives for their cause. Unless, you know, their lives are actually at risk.

Posted by: Socratease at June 16, 2019 02:11 PM (2GbWn)

227 210 I tried Atlas Shrugged twice. Couldn't get past 100 pages.

I loved The Fountainhead.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 16, 2019 02:02 PM (NWiLs)


I agree. It's a better novel and only half as long. I still liked "Atlas Shrugged", though.

I also recommend her first novel, "We the Living". It's about a young woman in the Soviet Union of the 1920s. She said many years later that it was the closest she would ever come to writing an autobiography.

When she escaped to the West, she had trouble getting it published. One publisher told her point-blank that she didn't understand Communism.

There is also a 1938 novella called "Anthem". It's set in a collectivist society in the distant future. In some ways it eerily presages "1984" but I know of no evidence that Orwell ever saw it.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 02:12 PM (sdi6R)

228 I've only read Fountainhead. It sucked as a novel but it succeeded in implanting the philosophy.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 02:12 PM (fuK7c)

229 Rabbit Season!

Posted by: Bugs Bunny at June 16, 2019 02:12 PM (uEbPt)

230 Geez, I'm back to the book thread.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 02:12 PM (sdi6R)

231 Try The Fountainhead.



It remains one of my favorite books. I read it in high school.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 16, 2019 02:11 PM (NWiLs)
I'm not a great reader as it is. But I will give it a shot. My dad liked that one too.

Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 02:14 PM (uEbPt)

232 "We have to escalate all of our actions because this is a global crisis we're under,"

If I could just convince more people that the sky is falling, we could stop it and live in Utopia.--Chicken Little.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 02:15 PM (m79Dg)

233

I read Atlas Shrugged--and couldn't help comparing it to current events.

It was like a blueprint. Scared me.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 16, 2019 02:15 PM (KATBx)

234 Hmm, I thought "Atlas Shrugged" was a page-turner. Guess I'm weird that way.

Then again, I haven't read very many novels so I don't have much to compare it with.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 02:16 PM (sdi6R)

235 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg wants to start a family with his husband, Chasten, and says that could happen if he's in the White House.

"I don't see why not," the South Bend, Indiana, mayor says in a Father's Day television interview that also marked his one-year wedding anniversary.
He tells CNN's "State of the Union" that "it wouldn't be the first time that children have arrived to a first couple, but obviously that's a conversation I had better have with Chasten before I go into it too much on television.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 02:08 PM (aKsyK)

I am ready to donate again but it's gonna cost Pete more than the usual 14 dollars.

Posted by: David Crosby at June 16, 2019 02:16 PM (Z+IKu)

236 A local newspaper writer produced, "...ten percent of the population was decimated..."

I wrote her a note, "So, 1% were lost, right?"

She didn't respond.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 02:16 PM (2qPhT)

237 Try The Fountainhead.

It remains one of my favorite books. I read it in high school.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 16, 2019 02:11 PM (NWiLs)

Has anyone heard the rumor that Ayn Rand found the manuscript to Atlas Shrugged in a cab and submitted it to a publisher as the author?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 02:17 PM (m79Dg)

238 One of Rand's blind spots, I believe, was that she couldn't understand the rise of things like Cartels, of the Tech Giants, non governmental entities who are still able to accumulate such vast powers that they can completely dominate a population. I know the mantra is that "competition" will keep them restrained, but once players achieve a certain level of power, that doesn't really work anymore.

And it's even worse when *all* the players decide it would be much more profitable for them to dispense with the current population and bring in a new, much more compliant population in their place.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 02:18 PM (V2Yro)

239 I must be an odd duck, I really liked "Atlas Shrugged". I read it at the beginning of the Obama years and it was uncannily prescient.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:18 PM (kQs4Y)

240 >> Hmm, I thought "Atlas Shrugged" was a page-turner. Guess I'm weird that way.

Me too. I admit it, I'm (still) a nerd

Posted by: My life is insanity at June 16, 2019 02:18 PM (A0NQI)

241
It's true, it's true, the crown has made it clear
The climate must be perfect all the year

A law was made a distant moon ago here
July and August cannot be too hot
And there's a legal limit to the snow here in Camelot

The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot
By order, summer lingers through September in Camelot

Camelot: Camelot
I know it sounds a bit bizarre
But in Camelot: Camelot
That's how conditions are

The rain may never fall till after sundown
By eight, the morning fog must disappear
In short, there's simply not a more congenial spot
For happily ever after in than here in Camelot

Camelot: Camelot
I know it gives a person pause
But in Camelot: Camelot
Those are the legal laws

The snow may never slush upon the hillside
By nine p.m. the moonlight must appear
In short, there's simply not a more congenial spot
For happily ever after in than here in Camelot

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 02:18 PM (Wx/+I)

242 Gah, fuckin' Vandy.


Bottom of the First, First batter, First swing, bomb.

Vandy 1 Louisville 0

Posted by: Bert G at June 16, 2019 02:18 PM (OMsf+)

243 Has anyone heard the rumor that Ayn Rand found the manuscript to Atlas Shrugged in a cab and submitted it to a publisher as the author?
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 02:17 PM (m79Dg)

A cab? That story would be more believable if it said she found it on a shipping crate on the back of a flatbed truck.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 02:19 PM (V2Yro)

244 I must be an odd duck(...)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:18 PM (kQs4Y)




...too soon.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 02:19 PM (t+qrx)

245 the left uses politics to deceive us ... they are really the mafia, power and control to drive riches to their crime family.

the "capitalist" right has used their (government policy and war backed) market riches (capital) to buy the Republicans, who now also lie to us and deceive us about their intent to maintain sovereignty and liberty. They also are first and foremost serving the richest, the "elite".


Statesmen in government (ideally) have to protect us from both influences. Instead they got bought by "capitalists" with no love of country (which stands for liberty, not "free trade"). The EU somehow also bought Europe ... they didn't even have to deceitfully win elections.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 02:22 PM (Cus5s)

246 OK, cats & kittens, going to go run some errands. Try not to get your heads stuck in any duck-processing machines.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 16, 2019 02:23 PM (t+qrx)

247 Has anyone heard the rumor that Ayn Rand found the manuscript to Atlas Shrugged in a cab and submitted it to a publisher as the author?
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 02:17 PM (m79Dg)

A cab? That story would be more believable if it said she found it on a shipping crate on the back of a flatbed truck.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 02:19 PM (V2Yro)

It would probably be more believable if the Book Fairy left it under her pillow.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 02:23 PM (m79Dg)

248 We're knights of the round table
We dance whene'er we're able
We do routines and scenes
With footwork impeccable.
We dine well here in Camelot
We eat ham and jam and spam a lot.

We're knights of the Round Table
Our shows are formidable
But many times we're given rhymes
That are quite unsingable
We're opera mad in Camelot
We sing from the diaphragm a lot.

In war we're tough and able.
Quite indefatigable
Between our quests we sequin vests
And impersonate Clark Gable
It's a busy life in Camelot.

I have to push the pram a lot.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 02:24 PM (V2Yro)

249 Trump says Obama knew all about the attempt to bring him down with the fake Russia collusion scam. Says it will all come out.

https://tinyurl.com/y3o96wt2

Posted by: JackStraw at June 16, 2019 02:25 PM (PxX58)

250 OT, I laugh every time I see a picture of Justin Trudeau sitting with Donald Trump. It always looks like "Bring Your Kid to Work Day".

Bless his heart!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:25 PM (kQs4Y)

251 I just kind of shrugged. Follow Lock Out Tag Out and this would not have happened. Or is proper safety too Bourgeoisie?

'Almost removed the head from my shoulders due to my own stupid actions' is also not as catchy, if more correct.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 16, 2019 02:27 PM (ycWCI)

252 Someone shoulda told him to duck.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 16, 2019 02:27 PM (VY3MI)

253 Many have gone on record that their spying results were reported to the White house

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 02:27 PM (BbGew)

254 How did this ever get printed in a 2019 newspaper?

Commentary: Liberal America has a political violence problem

https://tinyurl.com/y6pwygpx

Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 02:28 PM (uEbPt)

255 Nothing worse than having your head decapitated. Other part decapitated ... not so bad.

I'm beginning to question this whole "Asians are smart" thing. This is a case in point. Ted Lieu is another, as are a couple of other Asian California legislators.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:29 PM (A2Uq6)

256 A cab? That story would be more believable if it said she found it on a shipping crate on the back of a flatbed truck.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 02:19 PM (V2Yro)

ROTFLMFAO

Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 02:29 PM (uEbPt)

257 233
I read Atlas Shrugged--and couldn't help comparing it to current events.

It was like a blueprint. Scared me.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 16, 2019 02:15 PM (KATBx)


What's even scarier is that she meant it as a comparison to current events in 1957.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 02:29 PM (sdi6R)

258 I must be an odd duck

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:18 PM (kQs4Y)

Go on...

Posted by: ... at June 16, 2019 02:30 PM (uEbPt)

259 I know dudes whose heads are attached to their shoulders.

They don't skip trap day.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 16, 2019 02:30 PM (VY3MI)

260
Nothing worse than having your head decapitated

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Bet_the_Devil_Your_Head

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 02:31 PM (Wx/+I)

261 Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg wants to start a family with his husband, Chasten, and says that could happen if he's in the White House.

"I don't see why not," the South Bend, Indiana, mayor says


You don't see why not? I can help with this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:31 PM (A2Uq6)

262 legalinsurrection.com/who will replace sarah sanders as white house press secretary
Molly Hemingway?

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 02:32 PM (BbGew)

263 There was just a big stink at a local dairy.
Must have been some real problems since a couple of guys got arrested.
Racist Footnote: All Hispanic surnames.

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 02:32 PM (FhXTo)

264 "We have to escalate all of our actions because this is a global crisis we're under,"

Oh, quit quacking about global crises, OK?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:32 PM (A2Uq6)

265 This is the outsiders' mindset when they come to Colorado and discover its beauty: it must be protected from the locals, preserved just for my enjoyment since I alone appreciate its majesty.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 16, 2019 12:42 PM (W+vEI)


This is the globalist mindset in a nutshell: they believe that the rest of the world outside their little enclaves are some sort of giant amusement park for their enjoyment.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 16, 2019 02:32 PM (SgjGX)

266 [
Duck....Duck....Duck....Chiang!

Posted by: JackStraw at June 16, 2019 12:31 PM (PxX5

Duck duck goose

Posted by: Archer


The guy earns his little m moron for playing it with the machinery.

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 02:33 PM (FhXTo)

267 OT, I laugh every time I see a picture of Justin Trudeau sitting with Donald Trump. It always looks like "Bring Your Kid to Work Day".

Bless his heart!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:25 PM (kQs4Y)

You know, the propaganda machine promotes gravitas of political leaders as proof that they are worthy to rule us. How can they explain Trudeau? The guy has the most ridiculous looking facial gestures of anyone I've ever seen. Except maybe Frank Gorshin.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 02:33 PM (m79Dg)

268 Trump should appoint Jim acosta as his new press secretary.


Just for a goof

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 16, 2019 02:33 PM (VY3MI)

269 Chiang season!

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 02:36 PM (FhXTo)

270 ha, yeah, and front line military ... (except that would get good men killed)
Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 01:49 PM (Cus5s)


Solution: all female units.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:36 PM (A2Uq6)

271 duck duck gooooose

Posted by: andycanuck at June 16, 2019 02:36 PM (Dh1wo)

272 On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. ''Tis a silly place.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 16, 2019 02:36 PM (gC2IV)

273 Willowed, I never met Boone but his first wife, Bea, used to come in my Dallas antique shop all the time and buy.

She must have had no hand in decorating that hideous library in the previous thread. Her taste was sublime.

Except, I guess, in men

Posted by: REDACTED at June 16, 2019 02:36 PM (DPjeO)

274 Warai,

That would be a master trolling to release a list of possible press secretaries and have jimmy Acosta on it. Holy shit.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 16, 2019 02:36 PM (NWiLs)

275 I'm gonna look up young Chiang on DuckDuckGo.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:36 PM (A2Uq6)

276 legalinsurrection.com/who will replace sarah sanders as white house press secretary
Molly Hemingway?
Posted by: Skip

Chris Laplante

Posted by: Jean at June 16, 2019 02:37 PM (7WozP)

277 265
This is the globalist mindset in a nutshell: they believe that the rest of the world outside their little enclaves are some sort of giant amusement park for their enjoyment.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 16, 2019 02:32 PM (SgjGX)


I think there may be some literal truth to that. Some of the notions I've seen about the need for population reduction suggest that they would like nothing more than to turn the entire Earth into a nature preserve and recreational area.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 02:38 PM (sdi6R)

278 Was trying to find out where I could sign the petition in CO overturn Polesmokers popular vote. Locally, Wed. and Fri. from 9-11. Not helpful for the working stiff.

Posted by: Infidel at June 16, 2019 02:39 PM (xzK3J)

279 Read it twice. Once at 15 at the recommendation of my geometry teacher. Again later in my 30s.
Posted by: My life is insanity

I thought you were 29 !

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 02:39 PM (JvvIt)

280

We have, by the narrowest of margins, escaped Atlas Shrugged in real life.

That has to remain in everyone's mind.

So don't let up in the effort to keep it from recurring. However you can help, DO SO.




Posted by: irongrampa at June 16, 2019 02:40 PM (KATBx)

281 Shep was decapitated years ago.
Posted by: mikeyG at June 16, 2019 01:37 PM (Sr57E)


He didn't have his head taken from him. Instead, he gave his head. To any number of guys.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:40 PM (A2Uq6)

282 I don't know that T. Boone's library is hideous, but it does seem a tad nouveau megariche and obvious.

One more to my taste is Guillermo del Toro's eclectic style:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0WXqEl846k

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:41 PM (kQs4Y)

283 "Solution: all female units."Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

worked for Ghadaffi's personal protection team ... he was very fair to the "feminists", but Hillary had him murdered anyway, and bragged/cackled about it.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 02:41 PM (Cus5s)

284 276 legalinsurrection.com/who will replace sarah sanders as white house press secretary
Molly Hemingway?
Posted by: Skip

I hope not, like her where she is, doing what she does

Posted by: REDACTED at June 16, 2019 02:42 PM (DPjeO)

285 Didn't this junior red guard intend to donate his head as a sacrifice to Baal? Marxists are so stupid.

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at June 16, 2019 02:42 PM (nRj4F)

286 Has anyone heard the rumor that Ayn Rand found the manuscript to Atlas Shrugged in a cab and submitted it to a publisher as the author?
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 02:17 PM (m79Dg)

A cab? That story would be more believable if it said she found it on a shipping crate on the back of a flatbed truck.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 02:19 PM (V2Yro)

It would probably be more believable if the Book Fairy left it under her pillow.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male
---------

Margret Mitchell was run down by a cab, thereby sparing us GWTW II, or perhaps Return to Tara, kinda.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 02:43 PM (/dN1M)

287 Trump should appoint Jim acosta as his new press secretary.

Just for a goof
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 16, 2019 02:33 PM (VY3MI)

"I would like to present our new Press Secretary, Jim Acosta. Jim, take a bow."

"Jim."

"Yes?"

"You're fired".

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 16, 2019 02:44 PM (m79Dg)

288 I think there may be some literal truth to that. Some of the notions I've seen about the need for population reduction suggest that they would like nothing more than to turn the entire Earth into a nature preserve and recreational area.
Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 02:38 PM (sdi6R)


Ah, the Rainbow Six dipsy-doodle.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:44 PM (A2Uq6)

289 >>I thought you were 29 !
Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 02:39 PM (JvvIt)

Well, yeah...in my mind!

Posted by: My life is insanity at June 16, 2019 02:44 PM (A0NQI)

290
This is the globalist mindset in a nutshell: they believe that the rest of the world outside their little enclaves are some sort of giant amusement park for their enjoyment.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 16, 2019 02:32 PM (SgjGX)

I think there may be some literal truth to that. Some of the notions I've seen about the need for population reduction suggest that they would like nothing more than to turn the entire Earth into a nature preserve and recreational area.
Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 02:38 PM (sdi6R)







It's not that they want the Earth as a nature preserve and recreational area as an end result, but they want to go through the PROCESS of turning it into a nature preserve and recreational area. Because that entails killing off the majority of humanity. That gives them the opportunity to engage in their most desired fantasy, shooting kneeling Kulaks in the back of the neck.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 16, 2019 02:46 PM (WJy0R)

291 A local newspaper writer produced, "...ten percent of the population was decimated..."

I wrote her a note, "So, 1% were lost, right?"

She didn't respond.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 16, 2019 02:16 PM (2qPhT)


Oh, you dictionary owners are insufferable.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:46 PM (A2Uq6)

292 I thought Atlas Shrugged was great too. but yeah, read the Fountainhead if you want the Cliff notes version.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 16, 2019 02:46 PM (r+sAi)

293 The Great Lakes literally are rising

Wait a dam minute

vhttp://archive.jsonline.com/
news/wisconsin/once-steady
-great-lakes-flow-altered-by
-dredging-dams-and-now-
warming-temperatures-
217150821.html

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 02:52 PM (FhXTo)

294 33 - "The demand for duck is that great that there's a duck processing farm"

When you see duck on a menu the chef didn't just shoot them in the morning.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 16, 2019 12:35 PM (4thlk)


They should just bore them to death with leftist speeches.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 16, 2019 02:53 PM (A2Uq6)

295 "Almost decapitating my head from my neck,"

Is there another method of decapitation I'm not aware of?

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at June 16, 2019 02:54 PM (jWe5r)

296 Redacted - Actually was going to add something like that, she is better as a fire brand than a cog

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 02:58 PM (BbGew)

297 this whole "Asians are smart"

No matter where you put the mid-point there's always tail ends of the curve.

Posted by: DaveA at June 16, 2019 02:59 PM (FhXTo)

298 282 I don't know that T. Boone's library is hideous, but it does seem a tad nouveau megariche and obvious.

One more to my taste is Guillermo del Toro's eclectic style:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0WXqEl846k
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:41 PM (kQs4Y)



Sorry, had to skin some peppers

Horace Walpole's gothic library is a thing of beauty

Posted by: REDACTED at June 16, 2019 03:00 PM (DPjeO)

299 282 I don't know that T. Boone's library is hideous, but it does seem a tad nouveau megariche and obvious.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:41 PM (kQs4Y)


I thought it was gorgeous, but I'm comparing it to my own private library which mostly consists of piles of books on the floor of a room that is rarely dusted or vacuumed.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 03:02 PM (sdi6R)

300 Horace Walpole's gothic library
----
Oh my! That needs to be featured in a Book Thread!

http://insideinside.org/project/strawberry-hill-house-library/

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 03:04 PM (kQs4Y)

301 I thought it was gorgeous, but I'm comparing it to my own private library which mostly consists of piles of books on the floor of a room that is rarely dusted or vacuumed.
Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 03:02 PM (sdi6R)
---
We must have the same decorator.

I liked TB's library -- how can one not? -- but the more you look at it, the more staged it feels.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 03:05 PM (kQs4Y)

302 Talk to me, Goose!

Posted by: Maverick at June 16, 2019 03:05 PM (gC2IV)

303 299 282 I don't know that T. Boone's library is hideous, but it does seem a tad nouveau megariche and obvious.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 02:41 PM (kQs4Y)

I thought it was gorgeous, but I'm comparing it to my own private library which mostly consists of piles of books on the floor of a room that is rarely dusted or vacuumed.
Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 03:02 PM (sdi6R)

If you had the Picken's money and blind with a third grade education, you would have a room vastly superior to this.

This has all the fingerprints of a unskilled "decorator" all over it. If one is going to buy an ugly late 19th century fireplace surround, at least have the decency to continue the design throughout the shelving.

The bookshelves look like they were ordered from Ace's shelving Pros.

Posted by: REDACTED at June 16, 2019 03:09 PM (DPjeO)

304 I always like to point out to people that if the carriage ride is shut down, the horses will be slaughtered.

Their blood will be on YOUR hands, activists!
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 01:02 PM (cfSRQ)

And end up in Buddy's bowl.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 16, 2019 03:16 PM (MwFQu)

305 The right to protest ends far before the property line. You have a right to assemble peacably, and a right to petition GOVERNMENT for redress of grievances. There is no right to be making a nuisance at the property line of a private business.

Posted by: MikeN at June 16, 2019 03:17 PM (o/eHL)

306 And the DA has not decided whether to press charges against the activists... really?

Posted by: Kactus at June 16, 2019 03:19 PM (rFKaa)

307 #305 Exactly. "Your right to protest ends at my property line where you turn into a trespasser and I feared for my life so I decided you needed to be permanently stopped. You may want to check for lead poisoning. Specifically .45 cal lead poisoning"

Posted by: mer at June 16, 2019 03:25 PM (or4l7)

308 The Leftists have been scooping up DA positions in the east as a way to steer criminal justice away from protected Leftist groups and towards political opponents.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 03:27 PM (BbGew)

309 Actually, I liked the private library from a couple of weeks ago which had empty bookshelves on the second floor.

I thought, "Great! That shows forethought and planning. This person intends to live in this house for many more years."

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 04:00 PM (sdi6R)

310 This reminds me of St. Pancake.

Posted by: Bill C at June 16, 2019 05:06 PM (HqPBH)

311 Socialist in Germany last century practiced outrageous hypocrisy with imagined elitism last century. Anybody recall how their social engineering elitist society worked out ?

Posted by: ron n. at June 16, 2019 05:25 PM (om5HK)

Sunday Morning Book Thread 06-16-2019

pickens library 02.jpg
Another View of T. Boone Pickens' Private Library


Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, crétins sans pantalon, nitwits, half-wits, twinks, pinks, skinks, bull dykes, train robbers, horse thieves, and Methodists. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, writing, and publishing by escaped oafs who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, which show what you can do with all of those wine corks you've been saving up.


Blog Note

I need to apologize to moron author Francis Porretto for misrepresenting his new novel, The Wise and the Mad, in last week's book thread. I issued an NC-17 warning for it because I made a wrong assumption about the novel's contents without having read it. Fran reached out via e-mail and informed me that the warning was not warranted. I very much regret my error.


It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

BUMPH, meaning "tiresome work or writing", was originally a military nickname for toilet paper. It derives from a shortened form of ‘bum fodder’.

Quiz: 'Bum fodder' is a perfect description of:

a) Twitter
b) Facebook
c) CNN
d) The House Judiciary Committee


Book Lists

Couple of months ago, Mike Hammer posted this link to 40 Classic Books & Why You Should Read Them. It's worth looking at just for the old book cover art alone. Lots of classics here.

Another moron, I forget who, sorry, sent me this link to a larger list, 1,000 Books to Read Before You Die, which is this guy's personal list. It's a bit more idiosyncratic than the first list, but you should be able to find something on it you like.




book cartoon 20190616a.jpg


Crowd Sourcing

This week I received an interesting e-mail from a longtime lurker who asked me to put in a plug for something called Distributed Proofreaders.

If you're like me, you've downloaded many free e-books from Project Gutenberg over the years without giving much thought to where these works come from. The vast majority of these books (nearly 38,000) come from the volunteer Distributed Proofreaders project, where volunteers convert scans of public domain books in e-books through several rounds of proofreading and formatting.

A volunteer can assist by doing as little as a single page, or as many as they would like. There are always hundreds of works in progress at any given time, so there is sure to be something to grab a reader's interest.

Signing up is easy, and there are no deadlines or pressure. There's a large community of friendly volunteers always willing to help with tips and advice.

You can sign up or get more info at their website, Distributed Proofreaders.

As a Project Manager, I am one of the people who selects and prepares public domain works for the project. If any of your readers have any suggestions for PD works (currently those printed in 1923 or earlier) they would like to see at Project Gutenberg, they could leave those suggestions in the comments of your book thread or send them to me at this e-mail address.

If you're interested in making suggestions, Tim's e-mail address is vid dot omni at-sign gmail dot com.


Moron Recommendation

23 If the Chernobyl stuff interests you, check out "Idaho Falls", which is the true story of the only criticality accident with casualties at an operating reactor in the United States. It was in 1961 at SL-1 in Idaho, and involved three... military guys in their early 20s, living in the middle of nowhere in 1961 died from a reactor explosion with no surviving witnesses and which may have been an accident, a prank, or a murder-suicide. And the only people who will ever know are buried in lead and concrete, at least the parts of them that weren't disposed of as high-level contaminated waste.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 09:18 AM (t+qrx)

I had always thought that had never been any fatalities at any US nuclear facility. "More people have died in Teddy Kennedy's car than in any nuclear accident" went the old joke that made the rounds during the media-hyped national panic during the Three Mile Island incident. Shows you how much I know.

Idaho Falls: The Untold Story of America's First Nuclear Accident chronicles

...the strange tale of SL-1, a military test reactor located in Idaho’s Lost River Desert that exploded on the night of January 3, 1961, killing the three-man maintenance crew on duty. Through details uncovered in official documents, firsthand accounts from rescue workers and nuclear industry insiders, and exclusive interviews with the victims’ families and friends, this book probes intriguing questions about the devastating blast that have remained unanswered for more than 40 years. From reports of a faulty reactor design and mismanagement of the reactor’s facilities to rumors of incompetent personnel and a failed love affair that prompted deliberate sabotage of the plant, these plausible explanations for the explosion raise questions about whether the truth was deliberately suppressed to protect the nuclear energy industry.

$7.99 on Kindle.

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70 Milo Yiannopoulos recently published a short book called "Middle Rages: Why the Battle for Medieval Studies Matters to America". It's an examination of how the left is destroying academia with lies and threats if each discipline doesn't kowtow to the SJW mob's idea of 'proper' approach. All intended to destroy Western culture and Christianity. The subject is serious but, without going to far, Milo has a lighter, mocking tone for the antagonists.

His account is disturbing and infuriating. A group of academics allow themselves to join into an attack by a junior teacher on a respected professor who doesn't toe the SJW line and even mocks it. It follows the usual SJW approach of lies, smears, threats and claims of threats to them when their own words are used against them.

Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 09:39 AM (bmdz3)

Hans Schantz brought this book to my attention a couple three weeks back, so I leafed through the Kindle sample. I was surprised by the sobriety of the writing and also, Milo's usual "hey everybody, look at me" schtick seems to have been muted to a great extent. But it's the story of what happens to a professor when she refuses to apologize to the SJW crybully howling mob because she said something they don't like.

Middle Rages: Why the Battle for Medieval Studies Matters to America describes the discipline as

...the critical study of Europe’s self-identity. No understanding of Western civilization is possible without it. Inevitably, Left-wing academics want to introduce gender studies and race theory to the field—and punish those who refuse to conform. When one University of Chicago professor dared to publicly celebrate the Christian identity of the Middle Ages, she was branded a ‘violent fascist’ and ‘white supremacist’ by her colleagues.

Now Medieval Studies scholars are tearing their own discipline apart with witch-hunts, name-calling, boycotts and intimidation. The damage done to academia could be incalculable. In this influential essay, originally published to widespread online acclaim, New York Times-bestselling author and award-winning journalist Milo Yiannopoulos explains why we should all care about the newest front in the cultural war, the academic battle for the Middle Ages.

This is how the wrongthinking professor, Rachel Fulton Brown, describes herself in her Twitter profile:

Christian, American, professor of medieval European history, fiddler, fencer, blogger, wife. Training in virtue to be wielded by God.

Academic SJWs: "What!? That's not allowed!"

More on the brouhaha over her wrongthink here.

Fulton Brown was fighting for her professional reputation, entirely unsupported by the University of Chicago and her peers, until we reported at length on the injustices she had been subjected to for refusing to submit to the strictures of political correctness and progressive politics. Now that the NAS joined the fray, academics from around the world working across dozens of disciplines are coming out in her support.

So maybe we will win this one.

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AMC has been running a documentary series about Jim Jones and The People's Temple. Last night was the Kool Ade finale. They talked to a number of the survivors. Several of them were still on about how wonderful their socialist town in the jungle was and how the world was deprived of a model for the future because Jim went off the rails. Their main thing was virtue signalling. Yeah, boy, the anti-racist, anti-capitalist pro-collectivist paradise was better than us mucking about in the mud.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 21, 2019 12:33 PM (+y/Ru)

I still remember seeing the news footage from Guyana, all of those people lying on the grass, looking like they were taking an afternoon nap. Over 900 of them. I recently read Cult City: Jim Jones, Harvey Milk, and 10 Days That Shook San Francisco which basically argues that this happened because all of the warning signs that Jim Jones was a dangerous, unstable psychotic and his "church" was an abuse factory were systematically ignored by San Francisco's elected officials because he could bring them a significant number of votes. Yes, Jones had that kind of clout in SF. It was an unholy alliance of corrupt government officials and a powerful religious figure. Dan White, who murdered the mayor and Harvey Milk was, in fact, *not* a gay-hating, right-wing lunatic, but a centrist who even worked with Milk on some issues. There's also a surprise appearance by Dianne Feinstein, who had a peripheral role in all of this. And there were actually Republicans in SF in those days. Yes, times were different.

Oh, and here's a fun fact: the book mentioned the hot water that the SFPD was getting into by not hiring enough black and female officers, and the successful anti-discrimination lawsuit that was filed which resulted in them having to "recalibrate" the test scoring methods to reduce the difference. So I laughed a little bit to myself when I saw this article earlier this week: 12 white male officers sue San Francisco police for race, sex bias:

[T]he lawsuit, which was filed Tuesday in federal court, is the latest round in a conflict that dates back decades. A 13th plaintiff who is now retired says she also was denied promotion, because she is a white lesbian.

The lawsuit challenges a test-scoring method that the city adopted in 1979 in response to a lawsuit from a group representing black and female officers, who alleged discrimination in hiring and promotions.

And now the monster they created has turned around and is biting them on the a**. It will probably take a federal judge to hand down one of those "discrimination is OK when we do it" rulings to stave off the beast.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

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1 !

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 09:00 AM (JvvIt)

2 Good morning Bibliofiliacs!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:00 AM (kQs4Y)

3 Tolle Lege
First finished The Caine Mutiny, it is so much more than the movie and does differ in the ending. Recommended

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 09:02 AM (BbGew)

4 You win this time, JT!

*shakes fist*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:04 AM (kQs4Y)

5 Good morning and Happy Fathers Day to my fellow Book Threadists. Hope everyone had a good week of reading.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:04 AM (bmdz3)

6 Stopped at used book store with nothing in particular in mind but found a interesting book that strangely ties into another favorite movie The Molly Maguires.
Making Sence of the Molly Maguires by Kevin Kenny explores the beginnings of the secret organisation and the conditions of society starting pre civil war to post in the coal regions of Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 09:06 AM (BbGew)

7 Happy Fathers' Day! I'm celebrating by taking my boys to Scout Camp this morning.

Prof. Rachel Fulton Brown, one of the key figures in Milo's Middle Rages, is offering an online class, "Medieval History 101: The Unauthorized Version." More information is on her website at https://unauthorizedmedievalhistory.blogspot.com/

I read Jon Mollison's A Moon Full of Stars this week. Blurb: All Rome ever wanted was to earn a place in the village as a hunter, so that he could explore beyond the safe confines of the village farm fields, but when monstrous slavers destroy his village he is forced to head west into the irradiated wastelands in search of anything that might give him the power to save his people. Accompanied by his chief rival, his journey takes him farther than he ever imagined." Interesting science fiction/pulp adventure. Check it out.

I'm currently reading Karl Gallagher's "Lost War," recommended here a while back. Quite a change of pace from his scifi Torchship trilogy. Lost War tells the story of a group of medieval re-enactors somehow transported to another world. It's a combination prepper-fantasy as the characters try to cope with the strange new world and the divisions within their own ranks. Highly recommended.

Also, my "Rambling Wreck," Book 2 of The Hidden Truth will be on sale this week 6/18-6/21. Regularly $4.99; Sale price $0.99. The battle for the future rages right at Georgia Tech. Peter's final exam has one question: Can a Rambling Wreck stop the Deep State Cabal? And a failing grade will be his last.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at June 16, 2019 09:08 AM (FXjhj)

8 I read A People's Tragedy: A History of the Russian Revolution by Orlando Figes. This is an interesting, informative, detailed account of the revolution and the events leading up to it. The tragedy was that so many times Russia had a chance at democracy, but failed because of Russian history, culture, and the weaknesses of key players at crucial times. Well worth the time to read.

Posted by: Zoltan at June 16, 2019 09:08 AM (Zgezk)

9 I posted this on the last thread - some music for a Sunday morning, Debussy's The Sunken Cathedral:

https://tinyurl.com/h3mb3sf

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 09:08 AM (Ki5SV)

10 Good morning, all.
1. Bumph? I use that term for junk mail, or any kind of waste paper.
2. Last week I mentioned that I was translating an out-of-print Spanish-language book on the 1936-39 Civil War, and several of you urged me to contact the original publisher and see if they'd be interested in an English version. So I wrote to them last week. No response yet, but in the meantime I continue to chug along.

3. Thanks for info re: Distributed Proofreaders. One of the frustrations of reading anything on Kindle is the number of typos or weird formulations ("6migr6" for "émigré") which I guess is what happens when you scan an older book and don't bother to check on the result.

A happy and blessed Sunday to you all, fathers or not.

Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 09:10 AM (S6ArX)

11 I read a Nero Wolfe novel "Where There's A Will". I rediscovered that Wolfe novels, although not very long, need to be read with fewest interruptions as is convenient. The stories move quickly and it's easy to lose track of which characters are doing what. A couple of times I had to backtrack to recall the details. But they sure are fun to read.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:12 AM (bmdz3)

12 The misery of Russia is a favorite topic of mine

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 09:12 AM (BbGew)

13 Jeez - at my comment at #10, those black diamonds with question marks in them are supposed to be the letter E with an acute accent.

Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 09:12 AM (S6ArX)

14 Morning Horde Literati!

It being Fathers' Day, allow me to recommend "Fathers and Sons: A Family Autobiography."

This fascinating book is by Alexander Waugh, grandson of Evelyn and son of Auberon. It traces the literary development of the Waugh family from its earliest records down to the present.

It may seem a bit slow at first, as Alexander traces the family history, but this is vital to understanding their perspective and motivations. One's social class is far more important in England than it is here, and moving up the ladder was a key objective of the family. Evelyn Waugh's work in particular focused on the decaying morality of the old upper class while also skewering the social-climbing ambition of the "lower classes" (examples include the newspaper barons Lord Copper and Lord Zinc, who clearly bought their way into their peerages).

It's also very personal, as the author explores his own relationship with his father and grandfather. I wasn't aware how much Evelyn envied his older brother Alec, who was the apple of his father's eye.

It may seem strange to us now, but Alec Waugh was much more successful (and therefore better known) for much of Evelyn's life.

The poignant relationship between Guy Crouchback and his father in "Sword of Honour" is a wistful re-imagining by Evelyn of what his brother enjoyed in terms of a paternal relationship.

There's a companion series narrated by Alexander that visits many of the places mentioned in the book if one wants to track it down.

It's a very insightful way of looking at how parenting changes over the generations and because so many Waughs took to writing, there's ample documentation of what they thought. Not all Waughs persued writing careers, but enough did to provide the links that Alexander follows.

Perfect for any fan of Waugh or writing in general and yes, Alexander has the trademark dry wit you'd expect.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:13 AM (cfSRQ)

15 Still on a high from Caine Mutiny and don't know what my next great read will be. For now I'll just spelunk through my own library. There are still nameless horrors to be uncovered in my Lovecraft anthology, f'rinstance:

"Gentlemen," he continued, "I will not ask you to believe these things until I have shewn you special proof. Accept it, then, as a myth, when I tell you of the thousands of light-years-- thousands of years of time, and uncounted billions of miles-- that Randolph Carter hurled through space as a nameless alien entity in a thin envelope of electron-activated metal...

He saw Kynarth and Yoggoth on the rim, passed close to Neptune and glimpsed the hellish white fungi that spot it, learned an untellable secret from the close-glimpsed mists of Jupiter and saw the horror on one of its satellites, and gazed upon the Cyclopean ruins that sprawl over Mars' ruddy disc."
-- Through the gates of the Silver Key

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:13 AM (kQs4Y)

16 Stopped at used book store with nothing in particular in mind but found a interesting book that strangely ties into another favorite movie The Molly Maguires.
Making Sence of the Molly Maguires by Kevin Kenny explores the beginnings of the secret organisation and the conditions of society starting pre civil war to post in the coal regions of Pennsylvania.
Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 09:06 AM (BbGew)


I started reading that a few years back, but never got very far, finding it dry and tough going, though that probably says more for my academic limitations than for the book's intrinsic worth.

Fun fact - the cinematographer for the 1970 film

https://tinyurl.com/y44mpdkh

was James Wong Howe, the first Asian-American cameraman in Hollywood, whose career spanned both the silent and sound days. There's a story that at one point in the late 'teens or early 'twenties, Howe was watching a photographer trying to shoot a picture of a number of people gathered outside a building. Noting that the man had trouble framing the shot, Howe tried to offer some advice, but the photog, not knowing who Howe was, simply sneered, "Listen, buddy, you stick to your chow mein and I'll stick to snapping pictures."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 09:16 AM (Ki5SV)

17 Reading some series that have now introduced Book 0, that is the prehistory to the core character or story.

I do not think it works for me. As I have already designed the prehistory by reading the story along the natural timeline.

And then there is a trend where the author has inserted themselves into a story for no reason. Just name dropping I guess.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 16, 2019 09:16 AM (JFO2v)

18 Good morning, all! I'm back to working my way through the Flavia de Luce series, and for my time at the gym on the recumbent bike, Sarah Hoyt's "Death of a Musketeer".

For my own book(s) - Luna City #7 is being reviewed by beta readers, and I'm working away on the prospective Civil War novel, following the experiences of a woman who was an abolitionist campaigner before the war and a volunteer nurse during it. The fun thing about this is being able to reflect authentic 19th century opinions about a womans' place in society, about slavery, politics - all of which are currently very politically-incorrect, and guaranteed to make a contemporary SJW begin to gibber incoherently. I can hardly wait ...

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at June 16, 2019 09:17 AM (xnmPy)

19 and gazed upon the Cyclopean ruins that sprawl over Mars' ruddy disc." -- Through the gates of the Silver Key



Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:13 AM (kQs4Y)

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It's fun when writers have their stock phrases, isn't it? Lovecraft loves "Cyclopean" while R.E. Howard pretty much beats "thews" to death. I didn't even know what a "thew" was till I read him.

Hemingway never sent anyone running for a dictionary, but those two sure did!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:18 AM (cfSRQ)

20 Jeez - at my comment at #10, those black diamonds with question marks in them are supposed to be the letter E with an acute accent.


The pixyware that this site runs on only accepts the original cuneiform ascii set, so any character typed in from an international keyboard gets the black diamond.

You can use html codes to sneak stuff in, like Fahrvergnügen, but the next person who copies that will still get the black diamonds.

Also if you're cutting and pasting it will totally reject smart quotes, curly apostrophes, long dashes, and other communist punctuation.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:19 AM (fuK7c)

21 Still on a high from Caine Mutiny and don't know what my next great read will be. For now I'll just spelunk through my own library. There are still nameless horrors to be uncovered in my Lovecraft anthology, f'rinstance:

Eris, have you read Leslie Klinger's The New Annotated H.P. Lovecraft?

https://tinyurl.com/y5s7ncq4

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 09:19 AM (Ki5SV)

22 The Jim Jones lesson has not been learned.

I still see the same kind of dangerously magical thinking on display every day, all for the purpose of maintaining political power and money flowing.

NYC is getting a good dose of it these days from Richard Carranza. If you disagree with him, this is because you are rayciss.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 09:19 AM (EZebt)

23 Um, OK, I don't know how the middle of my story got lost.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 09:20 AM (Ki5SV)

24 Project Guttenberg is a great resource.
Distributed Proofreaders site looks like a good place to donate some time to.
Thanks OM.

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at June 16, 2019 09:21 AM (x8Q/V)

25 Happy Fathers' Day! I'm celebrating by taking my boys to Scout Camp this morning.

===

I had 3 of the best summers of my life at Onteora. Enjoy!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 09:21 AM (EZebt)

26
Also if you're cutting and pasting it will totally reject smart quotes, curly apostrophes, long dashes, and other communist punctuation.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:19 AM


it barely recognizes the Oxford comma...

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 16, 2019 09:22 AM (KCxzN)

27 On to another topic.

This month's BBC Music magazine had a small feature about the can-can, which, I was surprised to discover, was not a dance invented for the famous galop in Offenbach's Orpheus in the Underworld, but was a pre-existing dance that actually reached its zenith in the 1890s, rather than at the height of the Second Empire.

In any event, one of the dancers mentioned in the story was Louise Weber, nicknamed "La Goulue." If you have a few minutes to spare, here's a short video about her, with rare footage of her, late in life, showing a couple of dance moves:

https://tinyurl.com/y38oyhum

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 09:24 AM (Ki5SV)

28 In reading news, I'm still laying siege to our favorite punching bag, Eddie Gibbon. Hammering my way through volume V, and while it's at least going faster, it's also borderline incoherent.

He's clearly...hmmm, what phrase works here? He's not 'phoning it in,' because they didn't have those. Maybe plowing along the top of the soil or something - basically doing a half-assed recitation of the various reigns while pretending that you - the reader - know the rest.

It's a neat technique I used in college to hand-wave past sticky details I didn't bother to study and it often worked. Gibbon may be the first recorded instance of it pretending to be actual history.

In other news, I'm finally writing again, dusting off an abandoned manuscript from 2007 dealing with vampires. I don't know if it will be any good, and it's requiring massive revisions, but the playlist I put together while I write is pretty cool and my wife finds it irresistibly sexy, so either way, I'm counting it as a win.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:25 AM (cfSRQ)

29 Gave an interview to a local TV station. It will never see airtime.

Short story is there was a heinous murder here of a teenage girls by two scum bags in the 80's. Cuomo's parole board is going to let them out. Trust me these people should never see the light of day and have shown zero remorse. They did it. There is no question.

Anyway, the TV bobble head asked me what I though. I said that every person who voted Democrat, like it's a team sport in the last election should take a good long look in the mirror because they own this. Ditto so called media organizations who allege to be impartial when they are nothing but cheerleaders for Democrats. I told her NY has become the very essence of de Tocqueville's Tyranny of a majority (she said who? Duh) and that people might want to read more books and educate themselves, instead of frothing at the mouth every time Democrats throw them some live meat. I further told her that none of this should surprise any Democrat voter because the party is all about negative liberty. It's always about what they are going to take away from the citizens, because they say so, and it has zero to do with law and constitution. So enjoy the fact your child can be murdered and the Democrats will let the killer go free. After all it makes sense since they will now allow you to kill your baby right up until birth.

The mouth breathing TV dope was stunned.

Like I said, it probably was deleted five minutes after I spoke.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 16, 2019 09:25 AM (VkWRL)

30 I started "On Democracy", a collection of columns and poems written by E.B. White over the course of almost fifty years, late 1920s to mid 1970s, about government and the role of the citizen. I consider White to be the finest American essayist of the 20th century and his words are always a pleasure to read. White should be made an honorary Horde member. His stress on the importance of the individual is sorely lacking these days. It's worth reading White any time for the quality of the writing but his attitude towards the dangers of reliance on ever growing government makes this volume especially valuable.

BTW, the intro was written by Jon Meacham who has contributed to or edited Time and Newsweek magazines (that says it all) and a bunch of other north east lib papers. He had to take the obligatory swipe at Trump, of course. I am so damn sick of that crap. I don't know who chose this guy to do the intro but they have no appreciation of White's content. If you get this book just skip the introduction and go straight to the meat of the matter.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:26 AM (bmdz3)

31 Good Sunday morning, horde!

Man, I've been busy. My reading for the last three weeks has consisted of DIY books on landscaping with stone, and also Cesar Millan's How To Raise the Perfect Dog.

Should probably have gotten the latter prior to getting the puppies, but, live and learn.

Posted by: April at June 16, 2019 09:26 AM (OX9vb)

32 I came across an inexpensive copy of Art Linkletter's book [i}Kids Say the Darndest Things with an almost undamaged dust jacket; published in 1957 it also contains several line drawings by Charles Schulz (creator of the "Peanuts" cartoons). Contains generally amusing little malapropisms and unexpected answers to questions from Linkletter's old "House Party" TV show. Linkletter has an appreciation for small children's worldview without being condescending.

Some of the popular icons (such as Marilyn Monroe and Roy Rodgers) are dated; I was also a little saddened to think that Marxists saw America at that time as a thing to be destroyed and they did so. Rating = 4.0/5.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 16, 2019 09:26 AM (5Yee7)

33 Morning! No time for reading this past week.. my list grows! Must take time next week.

Happy Father's Day to all to whom that applies!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 16, 2019 09:26 AM (438dO)

34 For nonfiction I'm rereading Lawrence Patterson's "U-Boat War Patrol: The Hidden Photographic Diary of U-564", which covers a complete patrol of Teddy Suhren's famous submarine with its insignia of three black cats (for good luck).

It's an interesting personalized look at everyday life aboard a U-boat.

Here's a documentary on submarine battles of WWII:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_KcQ9qYICo

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:27 AM (kQs4Y)

35 I've read Middle Rages, not good for the blood pressure but it's important to keep up with the SJW advances.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 16, 2019 09:28 AM (mOcZx)

36 I'm nearing the finish line of Julian Barnes' Staring at the Sun. It's kind of a hodgepodge, following a British woman from the WWII era into the dystopian future.

It was written in the 80s. In it the 90s bring computer access to all the world's information, but it's in a central government repository. The sources of information input are scrubbed because all information is to be treated as equal. The rumors are that the program adjusts its results based on the user's sophistication, and also that badthink inquiries result in extrajudicial actions.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:29 AM (fuK7c)

37 Just a dump and run this am.
Hans, book 2 of Powers of the Earth was even better. Much more sense of libertarianism coming through. We'll have to get Travis going on book 3. Love the Dogs even more!

Posted by: RI Red at June 16, 2019 09:30 AM (jeJ01)

38 Anybody know if SCBWI is worth the time?

Posted by: Marcus T at June 16, 2019 09:31 AM (VkWRL)

39 My mom said that what was scandalous about the can-can was that the dancers were not wearing underwear.

Posted by: JAS at June 16, 2019 09:32 AM (I5SAg)

40 Rachel Fulton Brown was interviewed on the Tom Wood Show podcast back in May. She talks about her experience, her work and what she sees as the challenges to Medieval studies.
Link to the interview is:

https://tinyurl.com/WoodsFultonBrown

Posted by: Kindltot at June 16, 2019 09:34 AM (hSQmw)

41 I am re-reading Diane Gabaldon's Outlander series. With our phone plan we got some streaming TV including a premium channel. So I finally got to watch season 3 and 4 of the show. Now I'm reading the books again to recall what will happen for the upcoming season 5. I first read the books when she started writing them almost 20 years ago. They are well written.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 16, 2019 09:34 AM (UUBmN)

42 Jeez - at my comment at #10, those black diamonds with question marks in them are supposed to be the letter E with an acute accent.
Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 09:12 AM (S6ArX)


The text has to be compatible with Unicode formatting. Type it in a text editor such as Notepad first. As an example the elusive ampersand is &#38;

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 16, 2019 09:35 AM (5Yee7)

43 Nice Lieberry!

Jim used Flavor-Aid by the way. Cheaper I think.

They used the purple flavor.

"Folks say Papa never was much on thinking,
Spent most of his time chasing women and drinking."

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 09:36 AM (Z+IKu)

44 #38

Posted by: JAS at June 16, 2019 09:37 AM (I5SAg)

45 # 38 ?

Posted by: JAS at June 16, 2019 09:38 AM (I5SAg)

46 BUMPH, meaning "tiresome work or writing", was originally a military nickname for toilet paper. It derives from a shortened form of 'bum fodder'.

*******

Bum Fodder - a limerick

The book that you wrote was a crime.
So I thought I'd critique it in rhyme
It's dull and obtuse
But it's put to good use
I'm enjoying it one page at a time




(Don't forget your daily limerick of the day for today- link in nick)

Posted by: Muldoon at June 16, 2019 09:39 AM (mvenn)

47 I must be doing it wrong.

Posted by: JAS at June 16, 2019 09:39 AM (I5SAg)

48 I read A People's Tragedy: A History of the Russian Revolution by Orlando Figes. This is an interesting, informative, detailed account of the revolution and the events leading up to it. The tragedy was that so many times Russia had a chance at democracy, but failed because of Russian history, culture, and the weaknesses of key players at crucial times. Well worth the time to read.
Posted by: Zoltan at June 16, 2019 09:08 AM (Zgezk)


I've been slowly making my way through it and the number of times that things happened strictly by accident explains nearly all of it, particularly that Lenin wasn't eradicated by less bad people. I'm at the civil war phase where the White army never stood a chance because they were so top loaded with officers none of whom would lower themselves to do the grunt work. But the Reds were fuckups in their own way; they could've prevailed more quickly if they weren't distracted by things like digging up a dead general's corpse and taking it to a town to burn it in public like a bunch of feral savages.

Jay Winik's The Great Upheaval made it clear that the French Revolution scared Catherine the Great away from her planned liberalization schedule that she knew had to happen to ease the pressure from below. It only deferred the inevitable.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 09:40 AM (y7DUB)

49 The greatest triumph of the Jim Jones story has been how his connections to Democratic power, Roseanne Carter, and Harvey Milk have all been eliminated in the cultural mind. People have no idea about any of it and if questioned about his politics assume he was some fundamentalist right winger.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 09:40 AM (39g3+)

50 https://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm

Don't include the ;s.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:40 AM (fuK7c)

51 " Happy Fathers' Day! I'm celebrating by taking my boys to Scout Camp this morning."

Does that ever bring back memories. Going to Boy Scout camp was a rite of passage in my family. It was also a great time with swimming,canoing, crafts, hikes, even 22 target shooting. (Gasp!) Wonder if they still allow the shooting. The head of the camp had a Model T he had bought new and modified it with a small truck bed. Getting a ride around camp in that was a BIG deal. Of course this was over 55 years ago so the Model T wasn't quite the antique it would be now.

The last day of camp, families showed up to get their kids and have a huge picnic lunch. My grandfather made a wooden footlocker for each of the grandsons. I still have mine.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:41 AM (bmdz3)

52 I had a bumpersticker that said "More babies died in Ted Kennedy's car than at TMI."

Posted by: butch at June 16, 2019 09:41 AM (hXu8T)

53 My mom said that what was scandalous about the can-can was that the dancers were not wearing underwear.
Posted by: JAS at June 16, 2019 09:32 AM (I5SAg)


According to the article, that's a semi-urban legend. In the big clubs such as the Moulin Rouge, frilly underwear was de rigeur, but in the seedier regions of Paris, knickers were dispensed with on occasion.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 09:42 AM (Ki5SV)

54 I'd like to recommend Varina by Charles Frazier, who wrote Cold Mountain, a novel about the life of the wife of Jefferson Davis who you may recall had a brief career as President of the Confederate States of America. I picked it up off the shelf at the library and was worried that I might have accidentally acquired some chick lit. It turned out to be a wonderful book that haunts me. There's a gritty part where she flees through the devastated rural south at the end of the Civil War, their visit to a remote pig farm illustrates very well the need for the Second Amendment.

Posted by: yop at June 16, 2019 09:42 AM (hPRt2)

55 13 Jeez - at my comment at #10, those black diamonds with question marks in them are supposed to be the letter E with an acute accent.

Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 09:12 AM (S6ArX)


I fixed it in the way I hope you intended.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 16, 2019 09:43 AM (t4VPg)

56 Kinda in & out today; reading "Vanity of Duluoz", Kerouac's last book, which I read off away back last century.
Interesting that I seem to have adopted a couple of figures of speech from it which persist to this day.

And a Parthian Father's Day note: the first time I read it, it was a hardcover copy from my father's collection. Very untypical of his usual reading tastes.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 16, 2019 09:45 AM (a5hgv)

57 35: Bought this for the kindle. I think it's time to purge the universities of gender studies, women's studies, sundry ethnic studies, and return academia to traditional programs and "useful studies" (engineering, sciences, allied health---and I'd return a lot of allied health to the community colleges and hospital based programs as these workers need skills not "nursing philosophy" or "advanced informatics for respiratory therapy") Academics need a big dose of accountability therapy.

Posted by: CN at June 16, 2019 09:46 AM (U7k5w)

58 Nice Lieberry!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 16, 2019 09:36 AM (Z+IKu)


Agreed, but it feels staged rather than used for reading. Table lamp isn't in a good position for a reading light and there is a statuette of a pheasant(?) on top of a book; a bibliophile would never do that.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 16, 2019 09:47 AM (5Yee7)

59 32 ... I have a copy of "Kids Say the Darndest Things" as well. It is delightful. I remember the segment on Linkletter's House Party show if I was home sick from school. We had just got our first television.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:47 AM (bmdz3)

60 It's fun when writers have their stock phrases, isn't it? Lovecraft loves "Cyclopean" while R.E. Howard pretty much beats "thews" to death. I didn't even know what a "thew" was till I read him.

Hemingway never sent anyone running for a dictionary, but those two sure did!
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 09:18 AM (cfSRQ)
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I just knew from ERB that warriors were "mighty of thew", which I took to be thigh muscles(?).

SF author Joanna Russ had a funny riff in one of her stories about Lovecraftian "rugose tentacles".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:50 AM (kQs4Y)

61 Agreed, but it feels staged rather than used for reading. Table lamp isn't in a good position for a reading light and there is a statuette of a pheasant(?) on top of a book; a bibliophile would never do that.


The books around the Remington (?) are all the same size with coordinated leather binding. That's a designer wall, not a reader's wall.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:50 AM (fuK7c)

62 MP4, I just ordered the annotated Lovecraft through my library. Thanks!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:51 AM (kQs4Y)

63 The greatest triumph of the Jim Jones story has been how his connections to Democratic power, Roseanne Carter, and Harvey Milk have all been eliminated in the cultural mind. People have no idea about any of it and if questioned about his politics assume he was some fundamentalist right winger.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 09:40 AM (39g3+)


They've really memory holed that cocksucker, which they'd have done to Chuckie Manson if he hadn't been so domestically high exposure. The book that OM mentioned would be common knowledge in a well informed country with a non propaganda driven press.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 09:52 AM (y7DUB)

64 The books around the Remington (?) are all the same size with coordinated leather binding. That's a designer wall, not a reader's wall.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:50 AM (fuK7c)
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A true reader's wall is like Hadrian's Wall, it is there to keep the barbarians out.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:52 AM (kQs4Y)

65 We had a copy of "Kids Say" at home when I was growing up, not sure where it went but it was always amusing to read. My dad got Plain Speaking from Edwin Newman that he read a lot. I have that but I've never read it. I remember there was a time in the 70s that it was all the talk.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 09:52 AM (39g3+)

66 EB White may have valued individuals, but he was one of those goofy mid-century people who thought that the solution to oppression by the State was to create an even bigger superstate. He was a huge fan of World Government, wilfully blinding himself to the implications of any kind of partnership with Mao and Stalin.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 09:52 AM (BpS6n)

67 Rachel Fulton Brown rang a bell. So I did a quick check, and I was right. She was the guest on the last Nordlinger interview I listened to; and I did so only because she sounded interesting. She was.

And two things came out about little Jay-Jay:

1. He was absolutely stone ignorant about the Middle Ages. Really, he didn't know stuff I'd learnt in High School.

2. He was shocked when she said something nice about Milo.

I was surprised it came out in 2018, as I'd have guessed earlier. But I do recall that at the time I made an exception to the "he's dead to me" rule I've adopted for many of that lot. (And I know I'm if anything more lax about that than many others.)

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 09:53 AM (VaN/j)

68 I messed up my right elbow earlier this week which means no shooting or fishing for at least a fortnight. I've been through this before. To compensate, I'm reading parts of "A Pilgrim's Journey" by Mark A. Baker. The two volumes are a compilation of the columns Baker wrote for Muzzleloader Magazine over the course of a decade. They describe his efforts to research and put into practice the lifestyle of early mountain men and other pioneers. I believe this approach is called experimental archaology. I love this kind of practical history. The reader learns along with Baker as he finds what does and doesn't work in the wilderness both in gear and approach. It's satisfying reading as we see what tools, foods, materials (even different leathers for certain purposes and why), he tries and adopts or discards. There's also the value of companionship on the journey. If you have any interest in this early American history, Baker's books are worth checking out.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:53 AM (bmdz3)

69 32 ... I have a copy of "Kids Say the Darndest Things" as well. It is delightful. I remember the segment on Linkletter's House Party show if I was home sick from school. We had just got our first television.
Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:47 AM (bmdz3)


I'm not that old, what with being 29 and all. But I distinctly remember when the Old Man finally broke down and bought the family's first color TV set in the early 1980s.

I also tracked down a copy of Linkletter's sequel, Kids Still Say the Darndest Things via the intertubes, but it apparently had a much smaller print run and was substantially more expensive (I wanted one with a dust jacket).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 16, 2019 09:54 AM (5Yee7)

70 Oh and I finished Mornings on Horseback. *waves at Eris*

It's astounding how much of TR's life was documented in letters, diaries, newspaper accounts, and later interviews. I'm a fanboi, so it's my mumbleth biography.

It's also hilarious that it takes him to the end of his ranching days. The afterword is oh then he was NYC police commissioner, and then vice president and president, and then he got shot and gave his speech anyway, and then he got malaria exploring the Amazon, and then....

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 09:54 AM (fuK7c)

71 What's the name of the Jim Jones documentary series? I'd like to check that out


Is it wrong to discuss TV on the Book Thread?

Posted by: josephistan at June 16, 2019 09:55 AM (Izzlo)

72 MP4, I just ordered the annotated Lovecraft through my library. Thanks!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:51 AM (kQs4Y)


Always happy to be of service, dear lady.

And here's a link to the Lovecraft Historical Society, where you can buy HPL-related items as well as versions of his stories done up as 1930s radio plays. I only have two - Imprisoned With The Pharaohs and The Case of Charles Dexter Ward - but the production values are excellent.

http://www.hplhs.org/

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 09:56 AM (Ki5SV)

73 Since I've been revisiting my D-Day reading in honor of the 75th Anniversary, I received "The First Wave - The D-day Warriors Who Led the Way to Victory in World War II" by Alex Kershaw for my simultaneous birthday/Father's Day gift. Look forward to starting it.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 16, 2019 09:57 AM (wZ9cV)

74 Tsar Alexander I also dabbled in reform at first, but then shut most of it down after Napoleon's invasion. The only reforms he did keep going were the "military villages" which were basically a pre-release version of collectivized farming.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 09:57 AM (BpS6n)

75 *waves back at Bander*

I'm a Teddy fangurl, and it never ceases to amaze me that we all get 24 hours in a day, and the same general allotment of years, and yet TR managed to squeeze in so many lives into his.

And the man was a prodigious reader on top of everything else.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:59 AM (kQs4Y)

76 The latest from David Brooks is about us:

"And I think, in order to justify their support for President Trump, they have talked themselves - or many people have - into the position that this is a life-or-death struggle, the left is out to destroy us, and so breaking the rules is what you got to do."

Yeah, boy, it took some real arm twisting to convince myself that the left is out to destroy us.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 09:59 AM (+y/Ru)

77 You win this time, JT!

*shakes fist*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

Aww heck, Eris.

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 09:59 AM (JvvIt)

78 Good on you Marcus T for speaking truth to power.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 09:59 AM (EZebt)

79 Yes, that library is a showroom, but a couple empty longnecks and sci-fi paperbacks will give it that lived-in feel.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 10:00 AM (kQs4Y)

80 67
Rachel Fulton Brown rang a bell. So I did a quick check, and I was
right. She was the guest on the last Nordlinger interview I listened to;
and I did so only because she sounded interesting. She was.



Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 09:53 AM (VaN/j)

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Ah, Nordlinger. There's someone I haven't thought about in years.

That's the thing with these people: once they revealed who they were, it didn't take any willpower whatsoever to avoid them. Came naturally.

What I find annoying in the blind links to NR and its writers. Ed Driscoll does this a lot - you think "hmm, yes, that looks like an interesting topic" but then see where it is going and reverse course.

Your other point (which I clipped for the sake of brevity) is also telling: These people are actually not all that educated.

They set themselves up as the intellectual heirs of Bill Buckley, but they weren't, they just could turn a phrase and fancied themselves upper-crust because they liked opera and stuff.

And then you had Jonah, who was hip and cool because he talked about Star Wars and The Simpsons, but that schtick is worn out as well.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:01 AM (cfSRQ)

81 We always had a TV around when I grew up, one of my earliest memories is sitting with mom and watching one of the rockets launch to go to the moon. My dad repaired TVs and radios, back when you could do it with a soldering iron, and he would bring home the ones people decided weren't worth paying to fix.

But we had very restricted viewing on the things, we could watch specific shows, with permission (like Sesame Street, classic movies, animal documentariest, etc) and then turn the thing off. It was mostly a place mom kept her plants. Books, however. We could read as many books as we had time for and mom encouraged us. She would assign us books to read over Summer Vacation, and that's where I read most of the Dickens I have read.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:01 AM (39g3+)

82 MP4, I am a big fan of their movie versions, done in legit German Expressionist or 30's style.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 10:02 AM (kQs4Y)

83 I think the key to understanding TR is that he was asthmatic. If you've ever had that, you know that the treatment is adrenaline (or epinephrine, which is literally the same word in Greek). TR couldn't buy Primatene at the drugstore, so he basically had to keep himself in a state of constant high activity. (He also got around the reduced breathing by increasing his capacity so much that even during a bronchial spasm he could get enough oxygen.)

That also explains why he died relatively young. He burned out his heart by running it at 5000 RPM his whole life.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:02 AM (BpS6n)

84 "And I think, in order to justify their support for
President Trump, they have talked themselves - or many people have -
into the position that this is a life-or-death struggle, the left is out
to destroy us, and so breaking the rules is what you got to do."



Yeah, boy, it took some real arm twisting to convince myself that the left is out to destroy us.



Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 09:59 AM (+y/Ru)

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Masterpiece Cake Shop and Gibson's Bakery couldn't be reach for comment, apparently.

These people are parodies of themselves.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:04 AM (cfSRQ)

85 ...I'd return a lot of allied health to the community colleges and hospital based programs as these workers need skills not "nursing philosophy" or "advanced intersectional informatics for respiratory therapy") Academics need a big dose of accountability therapy.
Posted by: CN at June 16, 2019 09:46 AM (U7k5w)


Minor correction.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 16, 2019 10:04 AM (t4VPg)

86 I think the key to understanding TR is that he was asthmatic.


McCullough (Mornings on Horseback) makes a big deal out of the mind-body connection and possible psychosomatic nature of Teedie's attacks.

He did seem to get over them after he made himself physically robust.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 10:05 AM (fuK7c)

87 ack!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 10:06 AM (fuK7c)

88 The list of books should include, "The Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism and Capitalism," by George B. Shaw, 1928, Brentano's Books, because it is the Socialist playbook -- brainmaggots and all.

Posted by: Marooned at June 16, 2019 10:06 AM (8hRlF)

89 I've been re-reading Tom Wolfe lately. I got a copy of his collection "The Kandy-Colored Tangerine Flake Streamline Baby," which is really great. It's a collection of his work from the early Sixties, when he had noticed (before most other writers) that there was this thing called "youth culture" and it wasn't just a passing fad, and it's going to be a fundamental shift in American society so maybe we should pay attention a little?

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:07 AM (BpS6n)

90 Masterpiece Cake Shop and Gibson's Bakery couldn't be reach for comment, apparently.

These people are parodies of themselves.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:04 AM (cfSRQ)

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The left wages a Manichean struggle over pastry, while these people contemplate their navels.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 10:07 AM (EZebt)

91 I'm just over 100 pages into Claudius the God and am enjoying the narrative shift from I, Claudius in which he talked about earlier events as an observer/historian and now as the accidental Emperor of how and why he did things. This is a time period of which I was previously very ill read (Gibbon's concentration was much later than this even though the seeds of decay had obviously been sown) and had no idea of Herod's involvement for example, although Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ should've given me a partial head's up. Anyway I'm finding it fascinating reading and am glad the book group decided to tackle the two in sequence.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 10:07 AM (y7DUB)

92 83
I think the key to understanding TR is that he was asthmatic. If you've
ever had that, you know that the treatment is adrenaline (or
epinephrine, which is literally the same word in Greek). TR couldn't buy
Primatene at the drugstore, so he basically had to keep himself in a
state of constant high activity. (He also got around the reduced
breathing by increasing his capacity so much that even during a
bronchial spasm he could get enough oxygen.)



That also explains why he died relatively young. He burned out his heart by running it at 5000 RPM his whole life.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:02 AM (BpS6n)

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I have hyper-reactive lungs, which was initially identified as asthma, but isn't.

As part of the treatment, I was given an inhaler and told to be "pro-active" about using before physical activity. I remember talking a couple of puff before taking the field with the marching band at pregame. I don't think my feet actually touched the turf half the time.

I didn't enjoy that rush, so I stopped using it, and since I wasn't living at home with two heavy smokers, my lungs cleared up by the themselves and the diagnosis was cleared up.

I look back and wonder how - when the doctor asked if there where any allergens at home, my wife could shrug and say "no," and then light up a cigarette as soon as we left of office. One of my chores was to empty the ashtrays, btw.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:08 AM (cfSRQ)

93 I got Mark Levin's new book from the library yesterday but haven't started it yet. I know from past experience that I can only read a few pages of his books then take a break to avoid terminal rage. I'm hoping this one does more with history. I already think 95 percent of the news media should disappear into Don Lemon's black hole along with that airliner. (Read that however you wish.)

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 10:08 AM (bmdz3)

94 76 The latest from David Brooks is about us:

"And I think, in order to justify their support for President Trump, they have talked themselves - or many people have - into the position that this is a life-or-death struggle, the left is out to destroy us, and so breaking the rules is what you got to do."


Tell that to Baronelle Stutzmann, you lilly-livered wanking fop.

Life in that impenetrable Acela bubble must be nice.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 16, 2019 10:08 AM (t4VPg)

95 Lately I've been envying people who finish books. That's because I got 8 for my birthday. Of them, Feser's Aristotle's Revenge is the only one I have (just) finished, and I'm almost done with Roskill's Churchill and the Admirals*.

Of course, all but one were naval history, where you don't have to read straight through. E.g., Derry's Campaign in Norway, and Roskill's

*OK, I did read that about 40 years ago, from the college library.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 10:08 AM (VaN/j)

96 Christopher R., that sounds like a great way to grow up!

In the t.v. bio of Ben Carson, his mother was doing housecleaning for a professor and noticed that his living room was lined and stacked with books and that he had a television, unplugged, buried behind a mound of tomes.

Upon returning home that evening she immediately began regulating her children's t.v. watching and insisted they start reading more.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 10:09 AM (kQs4Y)

97 I'm deeply suspicious of the psychosomatic explanation for TR's asthma. As I said, I've had it myself. Seems much more plausible that he was just having allergies triggered by the fact that 1870s NYC air was a soup of coal smoke and nebulized horse manure. I think it's significant that he liked to hang out in places like Montana and Oyster Bay where the air was clear.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:09 AM (BpS6n)

98 Tsar Alexander I also dabbled in reform at first, but then shut most of it down after Napoleon's invasion.

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He chased Napoleon from Moscow to Leipzig and beyond and then, much like us after WWII, he went home rather than to create an empire.

There is a rumour that he faked his own death and retired as a monk to a monastery.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 10:09 AM (+y/Ru)

99 my wife could shrug and say "no," and then light up a
cigarette as soon as we left of office. One of my chores was to empty
the ashtrays, btw.


Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:08 AM (cfSRQ)

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D'oh! For "wife" read "mother."

Geez.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:09 AM (cfSRQ)

100 Late to the thread. This week's pants picture gives real meaning to the term "Stink Eye".

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 16, 2019 10:10 AM (aS1PU)

101 76 The latest from David Brooks is about us:

"And I think, in order to justify their support for President Trump, they have talked themselves - or many people have - into the position that this is a life-or-death struggle, the left is out to destroy us, and so breaking the rules is what you got to do."

Yeah, boy, it took some real arm twisting to convince myself that the left is out to destroy us.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 09:59 AM (+y/Ru)
_________

Well, David, they're not out to destroy YOU. Not for a while, anyway.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 10:10 AM (VaN/j)

102
13 Jeez - at my comment at #10, those black diamonds with question
marks in them are supposed to be the letter E with an acute accent.

Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 09:12 AM (S6ArX)

I fixed it in the way I hope you intended.


Thanks, OregonMuse, but you've given the word *grave* accents. Acute accents point the other way :-)

Posted by: Annalucia at June 16, 2019 10:11 AM (S6ArX)

103 I finished Harry Crews's The Haw

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 10:11 AM (y7DUB)

104 91
I'm just over 100 pages into Claudius the God and am enjoying the
narrative shift from I, Claudius in which he talked about earlier events
as an observer/historian and now as the accidental Emperor of how and
why he did things. This is a time period of which I was previously very
ill read (Gibbon's concentration was much later than this even though
the seeds of decay had obviously been sown) and had no idea of Herod's
involvement for example, although Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ
should've given me a partial head's up. Anyway I'm finding it
fascinating reading and am glad the book group decided to tackle the two
in sequence.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 10:07 AM (y7DUB)

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I love those books. Read 'em in high school and then in college after I'd taken more Roman history.

I love the way he translates Roman society into something his English contemporaries can relate to. It gives it a more immediate feel and I think that's why the TV show was so good as well.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:11 AM (cfSRQ)

105 Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:07 AM (BpS6n)

My favorite is "Mau-Mauing the Flak-Catchers" it echoes some of the earlier comments about Jim Jones and how he accumulated power in SF.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 16, 2019 10:12 AM (EZebt)

106 nebulized
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My word of the day!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 10:13 AM (kQs4Y)

107 My pointy head is buried so deeply in the sand that I can see my Saudi friends from here!

Posted by: David Brooks at June 16, 2019 10:13 AM (EgshT)

108 I love the way he translates Roman society into something his English contemporaries can relate to.

The writer of the SPQR Roman mysteries does a good job of the same thing, John Maddox Roberts. His books are full of Roman cultural stuff, but its delivered in an interesting and often humorous way which never feels like a travelogue, but a Roman citizen steeped in it just describing life.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:14 AM (39g3+)

109 What's the name of the Jim Jones documentary series? I'd like to check that out

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Jonestown: Terror In the Jungle.

https://www.amc.com/shows/jonestown-terror-in-the-jungle

I thought it was well worth watching.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 10:14 AM (+y/Ru)

110 No. 1 Son had early childhood asthma. Nebulizer is not a word I miss.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 10:14 AM (fuK7c)

111 Thanks, OregonMuse, but you've given the word *grave* accents. Acute accents point the other way :-)

Posted by: Annalucia
________

I like the circumflex accents. They look like little hats.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 10:15 AM (ta49A)

112 Tsar Alexander I also dabbled in reform at first, but then shut most of it down after Napoleon's invasion.

-
He chased Napoleon from Moscow to Leipzig and beyond and then, much like us after WWII, he went home rather than to create an empire.

There is a rumour that he faked his own death and retired as a monk to a monastery.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 10:09 AM (+y/Ru)


Which may or may not be connected to the rumor (and sorry, I can't remember where I read it) that he had an uncomfortably close relationship with his sister.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 10:15 AM (Ki5SV)

113 Well, David, they're not out to destroy YOU. Not for a while, anyway.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 10:10 AM (VaN/j)

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David Brooks is auditioning for the role of Petronius in Nero's court.

He'll be used as the butt of jokes, amuse Caesar with witticisms and his presence will demonstrate how open-minded our Imperial rulers are as they send the rest of us to work camps.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:15 AM (cfSRQ)

114 Lloyd: yep, both of my parents were smokers, too.

Regarding TR, let me expand a bit. I'm dubious about the psychosomatic explanation because it's based on cod-Freudian notions of him coming to associate the spasms with his father's admirable nurturing attempts. (TR senior seems to have been an all-around nice guy, and his famous son idolized him all his life.)

I've come to regard any kind of Freudian "explanation" of someone's life and activities as a made-up story. I prefer to stick to verifiable biology.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:15 AM (BpS6n)

115 A happy and blessed Sunday to you all, fathers or not.
Posted by: Annalucia

Thank you.

Same to you !

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 10:16 AM (JvvIt)

116 Read "Social Media Upheaval" by Glenn Reynolds last night. I was surprised at first how cheap it was (5 bucks on Kindel.

It is a short book more like a "Common Sense" style pamphlet (explaining the low price) but well worth reading.

Posted by: Tallahassee at June 16, 2019 10:16 AM (xV6Pj)

117 Time for pancakes. See you cats in a bit.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 10:16 AM (kQs4Y)

118 I don't absolutely boycott NRO. There are a few who can be interesting, especially since the scales fell from McCarthy's eyes. I give him credit for the line "The 'crazies' were right and I was wrong." If a few more were to see that, the whole #NT mini-phenomenon would never have happened, or at least would have died off.

But sometimes I'll read one of the buttheads, just to see what they're saying. Latest in the Franco-Ahmari War includes Goldberg pretty much saying this his kind of classical liberalism is intended to keep those icky Christianist bigots down. (I think Cooke may have said this first; obviously Jonah got it from somewhere. He's the Biden of NeverTrump pundits, after all.)

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 10:17 AM (VaN/j)

119 . I prefer to stick to verifiable biology.


McCullough doesn't make it up out of whole cloth. He draws correlations from diary entries showing the frequency of the attacks around stressful situations. He hated Sundays, for instance, and almost all of his bad attacks were Saturday nights.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 10:18 AM (fuK7c)

120 Jim Jones started as a Christian pastor, but he found the faith was too restrictive and not communist enough, so he abandoned it and basically preached Marxism from the pulpit as a religion. This made him very beloved, but the problem was that no matter how much he preached it never really took place, so he wanted a place he could build into a Marxist paradise. Along the way well if a few eggs got broken and some laws were violated, like loans being never paid back and journalists who investigated being killed well you can't make an omelette or something.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:18 AM (39g3+)

121 85: The colleges and universities are determined to push for bachelor's degrees and minimal qualifications for nursing and technician jobs. The people who come out of these programs usually need much on-site training while people who went to clinical intense programs are good to go. They know all about "diversity" and "team building" (normally placing themselves on par with physicians) and tend to be litigious, but they don't know how to teach people to use inhalers or have much understanding of medications (I have heard too many stories about BSN nurses who have never given an injection, and who fail basic pharmacy and therapeutic tests)

Posted by: CN at June 16, 2019 10:18 AM (U7k5w)

122 And thanks again for a great book thread, OM!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 10:19 AM (kQs4Y)

123 I've come to regard any kind of Freudian
"explanation" of someone's life and activities as a made-up story. I
prefer to stick to verifiable biology.



Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:15 AM (BpS6n)

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There's a pretty solid case that Freud was a total fraud and charlatan, but he at least did open up the concept of studying mental health as a discipline.

Unfortunately, the track record isn't all that great. We have more "mental health experts" than any society in history, and are only getting crazier.

Cure was worse than the disease.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:19 AM (cfSRQ)

124 He draws correlations from diary entries showing the frequency of the attacks around stressful situations.

Well two things are undeniable:
1) stress makes illness worse, and that's not in your head
2) being more healthy makes it easier for your body to get through illness and ignore more of the symptoms.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:21 AM (39g3+)

125 Chick with the glasses and bun has a Brie Larson butt.

Posted by: gp, aka Mr. Tact at June 16, 2019 10:22 AM (mk9aG)

126 Unfortunately, the track record isn't all that great. We have more "mental health experts" than any society in history, and are only getting crazier.

I think the problem is that while the analysis side is pretty solid (this is what is wrong, here's why people do what they do) the cure side is utterly worthless and even pernicious. It makes matters even worse.

Counseling/psychiatry can be useful but mostly it seems like a scam, people never, ever get better and have to keep going back and paying for more sessions. And a lot of modern work seems to be designed to turn people even more loopy.

There is something to the Matrix line where the bad guy says they tried to make a perfect world and humans rejected it. We need conflict, challenge, and difficulty or we start to invent our own.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:24 AM (39g3+)

127 OK, got to run. Hope you all have a lovely day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 10:24 AM (Ki5SV)

128 118
I don't absolutely boycott NRO. There are a few who can be interesting,
especially since the scales fell from McCarthy's eyes. I give him credit
for the line "The 'crazies' were right and I was wrong." If a few more
were to see that, the whole #NT mini-phenomenon would never have
happened, or at least would have died off.



But sometimes I'll read one of the buttheads, just to see what
they're saying. Latest in the Franco-Ahmari War includes Goldberg pretty
much saying this his kind of classical liberalism is intended to keep
those icky Christianist bigots down. (I think Cooke may have said this
first; obviously Jonah got it from somewhere. He's the Biden of
NeverTrump pundits, after all.)

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 10:17 AM" (VaN/j)

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Sorry, but the ratio of stupid to non-stupid is just too high. They can do without my clicks.

As for Goldberg's "Christianist" fears, it's funny how fast unlimited abortion and forcible participation in gay marriage are now "classical liberal" positions all right-thinking people believe, isn't it?

Lying, useless grifters who had to turn the comments off because they were being humiliated so often. Funny to watch Jonah's attempted slap-fight with Kurt Schlichter on Twitter.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:24 AM (cfSRQ)

129 That doggie in the library has no pants.Slim Pickens for a Trillionaire,I would have all of Google and Amazon and the Bodleian in the other wing,and lots of comics and hot chicks reading them to me nekked.....both of us.

Posted by: saf at June 16, 2019 10:25 AM (5IHGB)

130 Freud lingers because he's perfect fodder for drama. Think about the paradigm of Freudian psycholanalysis: a person is troubled. With the help of a wise mentor, the person pursues self-knowledge and learns the truth of past trauma. With that knowledge, he is healed.

It's a perfect formula for drama! Which is why pretty much every single dramatic film or play of the last hundred years has been a story of Freudian awakening and hidden truths revealed.

Contrast that with the drama of the Greek plays. There are no shocking revelations of secrets. The conflict is right out in the open from the beginning. Creon won't let Antigone bury her brother. She does it anyway. There's no big secret about how Creon used to grope her, or how he always liked her dead brother better, or any of that modern bullshit. It's just two opposed goals, and the consequences of your actions.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:25 AM (BpS6n)

131 108 I love the way he translates Roman society into something his English contemporaries can relate to.

The writer of the SPQR Roman mysteries does a good job of the same thing, John Maddox Roberts. His books are full of Roman cultural stuff, but its delivered in an interesting and often humorous way which never feels like a travelogue, but a Roman citizen steeped in it just describing life.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:14 AM (39g3+)
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I didn't much like the first one, but gave him a 2nd chance, and think the others I've read were pretty good.

Along those lines, Stanton's Medieval Maritime Warfare is like that. I criticized the writing in the first chapter; it got better. Part of the problem is that he embraces the current vogue of pedantry about Greek and Arab words, and ALWAY uses them, in italics, instead of natural English equivalents. (And the italics, in this volume, I find hard to read.) But I hate it when they feel compelled to say "Sokrates" or "ibn-Rush".

I do note he does not do so with "Greek Fire". (Something else that was shoehorned into GoT. I suspect that a video of "sources of GoT would be more interesting than the series. Well, if they included some bewbs, anyway.)

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 10:26 AM (VaN/j)

132 At this point I think Goldberg is just casting about desperately for a job so he can retain standing in the pundit community and pay for his lifestyle. Once you get used to 6 figures a year income, its not easy to dial back to 5.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:26 AM (39g3+)

133 123: Mental illness is too broadly defined, not every difference among humans is pathological, and everyone doesn't have to share the same beliefs. Therapists, largely academic based, are creating new problems on a regular basis and turning disagreement into traumatic assault, and celebrating every trauma (and this includes anniversaries of the trauma).

Posted by: CN at June 16, 2019 10:27 AM (U7k5w)

134 Fucking iPad

I finished Harry Crews's The Hawk is Dying and again have to state that he should be a Horde fave. Is someone who is so fixated on training a captured red tailed chicken hawk that he just wants to be left the fuck alone in the midst of his weird family descending on him for the funeral of his retarded nephew, who helped him capture the bird, not the quintessential Moron tale or is it strictly about me and my goddamn wife who won't stop bothering me on Father's Day? Add in lots of sex about which the narrator is very self deprecating about his performance and this is hitting every note. His books are rapidly going out of print to the additional shame of our dogshit domestic publishers for whatever nod to horrendous taste since I know some ideological idiots who dote on Crews as much as I do. I know another book thread aficionado feels the same way but it's like swimming against the tide.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 10:27 AM (y7DUB)

135 I think the fact that TR was a wiggly little boy, likely what would be diagnosed nowadays as "ADHD" (because of the constant adrenaline high required to breathe), is adequate explanation for not wanting to go to church, and why his father indulged him by taking him for long carriage drives on Sundays instead.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:28 AM (BpS6n)

136 132
At this point I think Goldberg is just casting about desperately for a
job so he can retain standing in the pundit community and pay for his
lifestyle. Once you get used to 6 figures a year income, its not easy
to dial back to 5.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:26 AM (39g3+)

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That's what his attempted fight with Schlichter looked like.

Goldberg claimed Kurt was making personal attacks and Schlichter replied: No, I wasn't being personal and you will *know* when I get personal.

Goldberg then did some lame plea for civility and Schlichter told him "No one tells me what to say. Go away."

It was pathetic.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 10:31 AM (cfSRQ)

137 Finished reading "When violence is the answer" by Tim Larkin. It had some interesting observations where he designates 2 basic types of violence: social violence and asocial. This is a big generalization but it seems to me it's more like social violence is what triggly-puff types get into - something easy to avoid and something that you may be able to de-escalate. But asocial violence is different, scarier, and more like the bike-lock wielding antifa type. Something that just comes at you seemingly out of the blue. It can't be reasoned with and it doesn't quit until you put the assaulter out of the game. The majority of the book is about the need to act quickly and decisively.

But the one thing he mentioned in the book that really stood out for me was that real criminals are always the most polite people - because they have been taught to be careful about instigating asocial violence.

I have ocasion to be at the county courthouse often - no, I'm not a criminal or a lawyer, just volunteer for an organization that works with kids caught up in Dependency and Neglect cases. Anyway, I can tell immediatly when someone has been in the system and been in jail - they are always the most pleasent and polite people in the room. Strange.

I would recommend this book. He pads it some with too long explanations, but what he presents could be very useful to you.

Posted by: Last at June 16, 2019 10:31 AM (BdIMF)

138 114
I've come to regard any kind of Freudian "explanation" of someone's life and activities as a made-up story. I prefer to stick to verifiable biology.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 10:15 AM (BpS6n)
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Kipling gave us the term: Just So Stories. They're all over the place. Marx and his descendants are the most obvious, but there are plenty more.

I give more credence to The Beginning of the Armadillos than to either Macaulay or Gibbon, for instance. And the NRO narrative of the "fusionist" origins of their version of "conservatism" is much less accurate than The Elephant's Child.

Another Kiplingism is "bandar log", which is as good a description of today's press as exists. (From Kaa's Hunting.) I think it should catch on, but it hasn't.

While on Kipling, a friend and I were talking about him, and concluded that someone should set "The Gods of the Copybook Headings" to music, and make it California's new State Song.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 10:33 AM (VaN/j)

139 A good companion to A Peoples's Tragedy is Kolyma by Robert Conquest. This details the worst of the gulags in the far East of Russia. For example, one of the slave ships carrying 5000 or so became trapped in the ice. Stalin refused foreign assistance, the crew was evacuated, and the prisoners were left to be shoveled overboard in the spring.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 16, 2019 10:33 AM (S6gsw)

140 I just picked up the only copy of The White Raja in my entire state wide library system. It was actually in a closed stack so had to be found, pulled and mailed to my local library. How cool is that. Made me feel very erudite. I have just started it and it is really good. Almost immediately could visualize the characters and the setting like it was a movie running in my head. I'll report back when I've finished.
Thanks Sunday Morning Book Thread for the recommendation.

Posted by: sharon at June 16, 2019 10:34 AM (QzF6i)

141 Anyway, I can tell immediatly when someone has been in the system and been in jail - they are always the most pleasent and polite people in the room. Strange.

In a lawless community, it comes down to polite behavior to have any sort of peace. Kind of like Heinlein's aphorism about an armed society being a polite one; if your "disrespect" might get you killed, you tend to hold off.

The flaw in this of course is that the worst sort of murdering lunatic cuts a swath right through that because they care nothing about anything.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:36 AM (39g3+)

142 Mention of Lovecraft reminds me that, when I saw a picture of him, he looked exactly as he should have looked. That's also true of Poe and Stephen King. Is it something about the genre? It's not always true; C S Lewis was very different than I had envisaged, for instance.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 10:40 AM (VaN/j)

143 I'm going to read my copy of Billy Tucci's "Sgt. Rock: The Lost Battalion" signed, inscribed & with a sketch of a P-51 by Tucci, in honor of D-Day

Posted by: josephistan at June 16, 2019 10:40 AM (Izzlo)

144 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 16, 2019 09:16 AM

My life of reading could be considered "dry", no idea where you are but have traveled through the coal region often, The Molly Maguires is a favorite movie and have been in a coal mine at least once as a kid. So far have found it fascinating.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 10:40 AM (BbGew)

145 "Bum Fodder" are those not half the democratic wanabee Prez "candy-dates?"

18 more months of BUMPH if the MEE_DIE OREAH survives that long 10:1 Cnn is gone.

now back to my massive library I stole from Congress while they were looking the other way.......

Posted by: saf at June 16, 2019 10:40 AM (5IHGB)

146 Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 09:53 AM

And the perfect time to practice off hand shooting

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 10:45 AM (BbGew)

147 A good companion to A Peoples's Tragedy is Kolyma by Robert Conquest. This details the worst of the gulags in the far East of Russia. For example, one of the slave ships carrying 5000 or so became trapped in the ice. Stalin refused foreign assistance, the crew was evacuated, and the prisoners were left to be shoveled overboard in the spring.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 16, 2019 10:33 AM (S6gsw)


I plan on reading Conquest's The Harvest of Sorrows after A People's Tragedy since I picked up a copy a while back. The Georgian Gimp was a natural successor to Lenin as an even bigger totalitarian dickhole willing to inflict MOAR MISERY on people. And LOL @ Saint Delano thinking he could play him. Get yer shinebox, punk.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 10:46 AM (y7DUB)

148 Didn't Solzhenitsyn write his manuscripts on rolls of toilet paper to smuggle them out of the USSR? So it's ironic, because they're the opposite of bum fodder!

Posted by: Pete in Texas at June 16, 2019 10:48 AM (xx2Hn)

149 For any members of the Texas horde..... I just went through Elmer Kelton's collection for the 2nd time. If you are a fan of Texas history I can't recommend them enough. Particularly the Texas Ranger and Sons of Texas series. Kelton weaves his characters through actual events.
The Ranger series goes from the great Comanche raid all the way to the coast at Linville through Reconstruction.
The Sons of Texas books span from Spanish rule to San Jacinto while putting characters in every major battle and event in between.
My favorite author.

Posted by: RustyG at June 16, 2019 10:48 AM (8AvCG)

150 For fans of Teddy Roosevelt, track down The River of Doubt. It details his Amazon expedition, and just how nearly fatal it was.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 16, 2019 10:48 AM (S6gsw)

151 98 - 112 I doubt either of these tales, another often rumor that I have tried to find in books is that Queen Louisa of Prussia was a lover of Alexander, but that seems to be from the French so not really believing it.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 10:48 AM (BbGew)

152 A Day in the life of Ivan Denisovich should be mandatory reading for high schoolers. Its short, easy to read, and right to the point. This is what Marxism gets you.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 10:48 AM (39g3+)

153 I've been re-reading the classic Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser classic sword-and-sorcery stories. Fritz Leiber could write a bit.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 16, 2019 10:51 AM (iB1oa)

154 I just finished reading Animal Farm to the little Neradas, I think Fahrenheit 451 will be next. 1984 might be a bit soon, though I plan to present them with every text that details how evil socialism is over time.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 16, 2019 10:54 AM (S6gsw)

155 Counseling/psychiatry can be useful but mostly it seems like a scam, people never, ever get better and have to keep going back and paying for more sessions. And a lot of modern work seems to be designed to turn people even more loopy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Chiropractors of the mind?

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 10:55 AM (ta49A)

156 First time in months I've slept this late!
When I arose, 'twas almost Eight.
(I even woke up feeling great;
better than normal at any rate.)

My mind fills up with chatter and blather,
and I work myself up into a lather.*
But, for today, I choose not to bother,
And focus my mind on our heavenly Father.*

(* Stanza works best if you use some kind of snooty faux English accent that sounds "lather" like "bother." "Oh, rah-thuh!")
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Hello, Book Thread. Those pants don't look very comfortable for sitting.
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For Father's Day, repeating a tale I've told before.

Decades ago, Milady and I, taking a taxi from downtown Chicago to our apartment on the north side.

Cabbie was (AFAICT) a Muslim by heritage. He had a picture of his son proudly displayed next to his cabbie license. We talked about his son a while, proud papa.

I cannot remember how the talk turned to religion, but he seemed to be disdainful of belief in Deity because God was a big meanie who treats us badly.

I dared to suggest that the nature of God is more like that of a Father.

The cabbie scowled and rejected that, sneering something about the meanness of his own mortal father.

Just as we were done with our business with him, it came to me to say,

"No, not like your father was to you, but the kind of father you would like to be to your son."

We said thanks, and he drove away.

We never know what grows from seeds we plant, fertile soil or hard rock and all that. I hoped his evident love and care for his own son was fertile soil.

Hat-tip to all the Moron fathers and father-figures.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for "a walk with the folks" comic at June 16, 2019 10:56 AM (Yllyl)

157 Hat-tip to all the Moron fathers and father-figures.
Posted by: mindful webworker

seconded

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 10:57 AM (JvvIt)

158 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4Gg_PIHlU

Hong Kong this morning

Posted by: Off the reservation at June 16, 2019 10:58 AM (vWMNq)

159 111 Thanks, OregonMuse, but you've given the word *grave* accents. Acute accents point the other way :-)

Posted by: Annalucia


Do'h! OK, I think I fixed it correctly this time.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 16, 2019 10:59 AM (t4VPg)

160 Never celebrated Fathers' Day in my household. My father liked to pick out his own neckties. I've continued the tradition. I miss him every day, not just one day in June.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 16, 2019 11:00 AM (BpS6n)

161 The most we ever did for mother's or father's day is a card or some flowers. It was never a big deal because in theory every day was for mom and dad. I know that sounds trite but these days were invented to sell cards and other merchandising, they are entirely commercial in origin and I don't care for that kind of thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 11:01 AM (39g3+)

162 I like this description of Treasure Island from the 40 Classic Books list: "Because I like to imagine hosting a dinner party featuring Long John Silver, Blind Pew, Ben Gunn and Billy Bones. More rum, more fun." Yeah, it's all fun and games until your guests start carving each other up...

Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 16, 2019 11:05 AM (iB1oa)

163 150 For fans of Teddy Roosevelt, track down The River of Doubt. It details his Amazon expedition, and just how nearly fatal it was.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 16, 2019 10:48 AM (S6gsw)
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I love this book. It's in my top three TR books, which are (in no particular order):

The River of Doubt
Mornings on Horseback
Never Call Retreat

I've got "Theodore Roosevelt For the Defense: The Courtroom Battle to Save His Legacy" on my library list.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 11:06 AM (kQs4Y)

164 My kids are as much of ingrates as I was on Father's Day so I guess I raised them well. They don't bug me at least which is a gift in itself, a lesson completely lost on my wife.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 11:06 AM (y7DUB)

165 Covfefe is a bigly good word but seldom used

Posted by: Kurt at June 16, 2019 11:07 AM (R7ewd)

166 Treasure Island is good but that guy is right, Kidnapped is even better.

Pretty much anything but Robert Louis Stevenson is great, though. He's one of my "if I were half as good as him I could rest easy as an author" writers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 11:07 AM (39g3+)

167 There's a pretty solid case that Freud was a total fraud and charlatan, but he at least did open up the concept of studying mental health as a discipline.

Unfortunately, the track record isn't all that great. We have more "mental health experts" than any society in history, and are only getting crazier."

Just for fun a little while ago, my wife and I were looking up online info on archetypes in dreams, seeing what different people thought different images meant.

Ran across Freud's views - of course, to Freud, everything is a Phallus. EVERYTHING. It says a lot more about Freud than about anyone he ever examined.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 11:07 AM (V2Yro)

168 Better Hong Kong stream. Skip to 3 minutes in (sound problems at the beginning).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1nfRvQo_ac

Carrie Lam said different things in Cantonese and English so the world-wide press reported that problems were over but the people in Hong Kong are still protesting.

Posted by: Off the reservation at June 16, 2019 11:07 AM (vWMNq)

169 154 I just finished reading Animal Farm to the little Neradas, I think Fahrenheit 451 will be next. 1984 might be a bit soon, though I plan to present them with every text that details how evil socialism is over time.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 16, 2019 10:54 AM (S6gsw)

Don't forget Brave New World, as well.

Button, button who's got the button?

Posted by: Fox2! at June 16, 2019 11:08 AM (MwFQu)

170 142 Mention of Lovecraft reminds me that, when I saw a picture of him, he looked exactly as he should have looked. That's also true of Poe and Stephen King. Is it something about the genre? It's not always true; C S Lewis was very different than I had envisaged, for instance.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 10:40 AM (VaN/j)


I can't get over CS Lewis' voice. I've heard recordings of him that have been uploaded to YouTube and if I ever wanted to write a story featuring a stuffy, clueless, nose-in-the-air British twit, he would have that voice.

Which is funny because that's almost the exact opposite of what Lewis was really like.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 16, 2019 11:09 AM (t4VPg)

171 I can't get over CS Lewis' voice. I've heard recordings of him that have been uploaded to YouTube and if I ever wanted to write a story featuring a stuffy, clueless, nose-in-the-air British twit, he would have that voice.

Which is funny because that's almost the exact opposite of what Lewis was really like.

As has been noted here before, C. S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien were good friends, and supposedly the character of Treebeard was modeled on C.S. Lewis and his speaking style.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 11:12 AM (V2Yro)

172 SF author Joanna Russ had a funny riff in one of her stories about Lovecraftian "rugose tentacles".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 09:50 AM (kQs4Y)


Do go on...

Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at June 16, 2019 11:12 AM (t4VPg)

173 Emcel: A woman who is unable to pair bond or bond emotionally with any man for any meaningful time if at all to form a long lasting relationship.

This will be hate speech by Labot Day. It's also spot on,

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 16, 2019 11:13 AM (Lktpy)

174 The latest from David Brooks is about us:

"And I think, in order to justify their support for President Trump, they have talked themselves - or many people have - into the position that this is a life-or-death struggle, the left is out to destroy us, and so breaking the rules is what you got to do."

Yeah, boy, it took some real arm twisting to convince myself that the left is out to destroy us.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 09:59 AM (+y/Ru)

I'm assuming the "rule" he thinks we're breaking is cheering on a President who says mean things about his pals in the media and the left.

We're not allowed to do that. Never stray outside the bounds the "right" media sets. That's our great crime. That we quit listening to them.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 16, 2019 11:13 AM (cY3LT)

175 Thanks to the Fellow Moron who steered me to a Documentary on the Black Cats Commandos and their role in the Mumbia attacks, anyone know of a good book on the Attacks?

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at June 16, 2019 11:14 AM (dKiJG)

176 Emcel: A woman who is unable to pair bond or bond emotionally with any man for any meaningful time if at all to form a long lasting relationship.

This will be hate speech by Labot Day. It's also spot on,
Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 16, 2019 11:13 AM (Lktpy)


This is why there are so many more "lesbians" these days. Chicks who aren't really all that into carpet munch, but they sure as hell don't want to get THAT close to a meat scepter.

And no, not all of them were abused by men before they got there.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 16, 2019 11:16 AM (cY3LT)

177 Lin-duh, I am a huge Outlander fan. I need to reread the last couple of books at least, before the next book comes out. I have been less enthusiastic about the last few in the series; they are too sprawly I think. But I intend to read them all to the absolute last word.

Posted by: MMcK at June 16, 2019 11:16 AM (xHxJf)

178 I'm assuming the "rule" he thinks we're breaking is cheering on a President who says mean things about his pals in the media and the left...That's our great crime. That we quit listening to them.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 16, 2019 11:13 AM (cY3LT)


That's the sum of their entire argument against Trump: mean tweets.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 16, 2019 11:17 AM (t4VPg)

179 Just came up from the laundry room, and found a copy of "J.R.R. Tolkien: Author of The Century" by Tom Shippey in their little free library book case. Score!

Posted by: josephistan at June 16, 2019 11:18 AM (Izzlo)

180 Yop, I have not read Varina by Frazier, but I can recommend Night Woods. I liked it very much.

Posted by: MMcK at June 16, 2019 11:20 AM (xHxJf)

181 153 I've been re-reading the classic Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser classic sword-and-sorcery stories. Fritz Leiber could write a bit.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 16, 2019 10:51 AM (iB1oa)
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I need to reread those. I remember one story where the femme fatales were a translucent gal with excellent bone structure (you could see it) and a mouse girl with a fine covering of white fur and adorably protruding front teeth.

You read F&GM for the atmosphere.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 11:20 AM (kQs4Y)

182 There's a pretty solid case that Freud was a total fraud and charlatan, but he at least did open up the concept of studying mental health as a discipline.

Unfortunately, the track record isn't all that great. We have more "mental health experts" than any society in history, and are only getting crazier."

Just for fun a little while ago, my wife and I were looking up online info on archetypes in dreams, seeing what different people thought different images meant.

Ran across Freud's views - of course, to Freud, everything is a Phallus. EVERYTHING. It says a lot more about Freud than about anyone he ever examined.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 11:07 AM (V2Yro)


Actually, there's much evidence that Freud was following a line of inquiry that tracks quite well with modern views on trauma and mental health.

However, the medical industrial complex beat him back into a "safe" view, which at the time was sex and mothering, for why people developed nutty neuroses.

His career took a drastic turn. Might have been evidence of his own mental breakdown.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 16, 2019 11:21 AM (cY3LT)

183 I need to reread those. I remember one story where the femme fatales were a translucent gal with excellent bone structure (you could see it) and a mouse girl with a fine covering of white fur and adorably protruding front teeth.
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"The Swords of Lankhmar". Also featured a mad Overlord, an encounter with a monster-hunter from another dimension, and a duel with a most adept rat-swordsman.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 16, 2019 11:24 AM (iB1oa)

184 Good morning 'rons/'ettes. On this Sunday I am asking for the spiritual members here to please pray for my family: my youngest is struggling with an eating disorder. The good news is she's not hiding it, and sincerely wants to get better.
The bad news is we've got to navigate the psych/counseling and nutrition maze. She starts school this fall, and will be 3.5 hours away. Thank you all.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 16, 2019 11:24 AM (ty7RM)

185 ' Before the Deluge: A Portrait of Berlin in the 1920's ' by Otto Friedrich

the past as prologue to Weimar-America

Posted by: James Jesus Angleton at June 16, 2019 11:25 AM (9HuGt)

186 VDH "The Case For Trump".
It's a great read.
I can't imagine how much courage it took for an actual academic to write it.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 11:26 AM (w7KSn)

187 To go with SL1 there is the 1966 partial meltdown at the Enrico Fermi nuclear plant in 1966. John G. Fuller, who wrote The Ghost of Flight 401, wrote a book on the subject called We Almost Lost Detroit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 11:27 AM (n7RTy)

188 Good morning all.
Those are some interesting pants!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2019 11:30 AM (axyOa)

189 I've never gotten the hatred many have for the Oxbridge accent. Maybe it's just because, I was exactly the right age when the Avengers came on TV, and, well, Emma Peel was [redacted for decency].

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 11:30 AM (VaN/j)

190 Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd und der Graue Mausling short stories are always a good read even if the two heroes get themselves into very absurd situations.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 11:30 AM (n7RTy)

191 I saw the photo and thought, "That's a really nice-looking private library." Then I saw the caption. OK, that explains it.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 11:31 AM (sdi6R)

192 That's the sum of their entire argument against Trump: mean tweets.

Posted by: OregonMuse
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Germany's chancellor went more than a decade (1933-1945) without tweeting anything mean, not even once. Trump, in this regard, really is literally worse. (Starting to understand their logic, such as it is.)

Posted by: FireHorse at June 16, 2019 11:31 AM (ta49A)

193 I think Teddy is a lot like The Donald in that he was a toff who had dealings with all strata of society, had first-hand knowledge of the practical world, and had a deep appreciation for the working man and woman.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 11:32 AM (kQs4Y)

194 Up to comment #70 so far...



OregonMuse: I fixed it in the way I hope you intended.

Nobody takes care of the troops like the AoS cobs!



Hairyback Guy: Nice Lieberry!
Retired Buckeye Cop #58:Agreed, but it feels staged rather than used for reading. Table lamp isn't in a good position for a reading light and there is a statuette of a pheasant(?) on top of a book; a bibliophile would never do that.

Looks like some "decorator" book sets on those shelves. (Ah, I see Bandersnatch covered that in #61.)

Still, I'd camp there a while.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for 'a walk with the folks' comic at June 16, 2019 11:35 AM (Yllyl)

195 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 11:32 AM (kQs4Y)

Teddy?

Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 11:35 AM (ykq7q)

196 186 A Case for Trump by VDH
He had a interview by Dennis Prager a few weeks ago that was sad to hear about Freinds and family he lost over that book, but seems not to regret doing it.

Was outside reading and started to rain, in painting now.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 11:36 AM (BbGew)

197 I am very excited to say that I just picked up Neal Stephenson's latest, Fall, or Dodge in Hell. My Father's Day will be a Dine-In Secret Life of Pets 2 and then a delightful afternoon with my favorite author.

Posted by: motionview at June 16, 2019 11:37 AM (pYQR/)

198 Faux News has a "poll" up saying Biden leads Trump by 10 points. They're as delusional as the rest of the MFM. Judging by Biden's appearances, I don't think he'll be able to make it through the election, much less win. He seems very compromised, and I'm not just saying that for political points. "Feeble" springs to mind when I see him speaking.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 16, 2019 11:37 AM (ty7RM)

199 Teddy?
Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 11:35 AM (ykq7q)

Roosevelt.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 11:39 AM (kQs4Y)

200 AMC has been running a documentary series about Jim Jones and The
People's Temple. Last night was the Kool Ade finale. They talked to a
number of the survivors. Several of them were still on about how
wonderful their socialist town in the jungle was and how the world was
deprived of a model for the future because Jim went off the rails.


I'm hoping if Trump wins reelection the left in this country goes full Jonestown. Drink up you motherf-ers.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 16, 2019 11:40 AM (IINHo)

201 I thought it was bumf

Posted by: JEM at June 16, 2019 11:40 AM (8erNz)

202 "halfwits"?

You rang, sir?

Posted by: Halfwise at June 16, 2019 11:42 AM (kLxSO)

203 Folks need to be reminded that we have several sitting congress critters RIGHT NOW who were up to their eyeballs in Jim Jones/People's Temple shenanigans.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 11:43 AM (w7KSn)

204 I got Shoveling Smoke by Austin Davis because it was set in East Texas. It turned out to be a fun, entertaining book with parts that made me laugh out loud. I wish Bill Paxton were still around; I think he'd make a good movie out of it. It was about $5 on Kindle. One thing though: the main plot touches on people who kill valuable horses for the insurance (upsetting to me because I had horses) but it works out. That sounds weird but it does.

Posted by: Bean Counteress of Rohan at June 16, 2019 11:45 AM (eZfF5)

205 199 Teddy?
Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 11:35 AM (ykq7q)

Roosevelt.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 11:39 AM (kQs4Y)
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The good one who killed bears.

It's interesting his star has risen on the right, recently. It was just a few years ago when I was raked over the coals for praising his book on the War of 1812, on the grounds that I was promoting Progressive propaganda.

The guy he actually reminds me of is Churchill. They had a lot in common, as I see it, including egos. I don't recall who said that The Rough Riders should have been called "Alone in Cuba". Later, Balfour said "Winston has written an enormous book about himself, and called it 'The World Crisis'".

Some of the criticism are correct, IMO. But I cannot get away from the most obvious fact that hits you: both were brilliant and interesting men, especially by the standards of politicians.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 11:46 AM (VaN/j)

206 BTW, is anyone sure "bumf" isn't a fragment; half-a-word? Like "mother" in some circles.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 11:47 AM (VaN/j)

207 There are the Hyde Park Roosevelts and the Oyster Bay Roosevelts.
They consider themselves only marginally related.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 11:47 AM (w7KSn)

208 Good sign Biden is up over Trump by 10, Hillary was up 80 over Trump and you see what she's doing now,
Nothing.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 11:47 AM (BbGew)

209 Roosevelt.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 11:39 AM (kQs4Y)

Ok....was confused there for a minute...which isn't unusual.

Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 11:49 AM (ykq7q)

210 Eris,

Photos of U-564, over 400 of them or just 361 depending upon news source, were donated to the Royal Navy Submarine Museum in Gosport England. Amazingly Fregattenkapitan Reinhard Suhren survived the war.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 11:50 AM (n7RTy)

211 Good sign Biden is up over Trump by 10, Hillary was up 80 over Trump and you see what she's doing now,

Nothing.

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 11:47 AM (BbGew)


The Russians stole the election or the electoral college gave the election to Trump. Go to Yahoo and you'll see comments like that in response to all the polls had Hillary winning

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 16, 2019 11:53 AM (IINHo)

212 204 I got Shoveling Smoke by Austin Davis because it was set in East Texas. It turned out to be a fun, entertaining book with parts that made me laugh out loud. I wish Bill Paxton were still around; I think he'd make a good movie out of it. It was about $5 on Kindle. One thing though: the main plot touches on people who kill valuable horses for the insurance (upsetting to me because I had horses) but it works out. That sounds weird but it does.
Posted by: Bean Counteress of Rohan at June 16, 2019 11:45 AM (eZfF5)

Wasn't the father of Edward's Baby Mama involved in something similar in DelMarVa area? Even killed her horse.

Posted by: The Hundred Years War at June 16, 2019 11:53 AM (MwFQu)

213 Hope all the Horde dads are having a good Dad's Day.

Myself, I'm making for the coast. Just entered the great state of Publius and Miley. If all goes according to plan I should be reeling in flounder in Hilton Head by 6 pm.

Happy Dad's Day to all!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 16, 2019 11:54 AM (pG80Z)

214 This will be hate speech by Labot Day.

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I assume you spelled it that way to avoid triggering the left.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 11:54 AM (+y/Ru)

215 If I were to believe what I read on FOX News this morning, Trump has already lost the 2020 election. Joe Biden will assume the office of president next.

They appear to be pulling out what few stops might have remained. It's worse every day and it appears to be working.

Posted by: creeper at June 16, 2019 11:56 AM (BK/QP)

216 These polls are now for the purpose of making the population doubt the outcome (or veracity) of a future election.
So that when things don't turn out the way they predicted, the insane may rant at the sky.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 11:56 AM (w7KSn)

217 I am reading The Light Brigade by Kameron Hurley.

It's a sort of new version of Starship Troopers and is getting rave reviews.

I think it sucks donkey balls and once I finally power through to the end I will almost certainly go read Starship Troopers just to get the bad taste out of my brain.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 11:57 AM (7cCNF)

218 Isn't bumf how Nightcrawler teleports around?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 16, 2019 11:59 AM (39g3+)

219 Polls are literally dangerous to respond to accurately.
Who would identify themselves as a Trump supporter, to a perfect stranger on the phone?
Not me.
Even tho' I am one.
Why?
Because, insanity is rampant.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 11:59 AM (w7KSn)

220 As an alumnus of the U. of Chicago, I am very distressed to learn of this. It is contrary to the University's long-standing tradition of free speech. I will protest, but I fear it may get no more notice than this very late post.


Posted by: John Marovich at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (yDxHh)

221 Hoping to provide my oldest grandkid a little balance in his outlook, I gifted him via the web, two books for his Kindle Fire.

He's twelve, just finished sixth grade, and a voracious reader.

Huckleberry Finn was one, the other was Feed, by M. T. Anderson. Feed is near future science fiction, a first-person tale told by a sixteen-year old boy, in an America where the state implants everyone at age two with what's essentially Amazon, texting via your mind, and the Intertoobz.

He lives in an ultra-left home in an ultra-left city, so maybe these can help center him.

What else might a twelve-year-old boy be reading?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (4ZE6o)

222 Mention of Lovecraft reminds me that, when I saw a picture of him, he looked exactly as he should have looked. That's also true of Poe and Stephen King. Is it something about the genre?

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Skull malformation?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 12:01 PM (+y/Ru)

223 Anna, are those photographs available online? I would love to see them.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:02 PM (kQs4Y)

224 LOL, look at the Happy Father's Day gif up top:

https://twitter.com/41Strange

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:03 PM (kQs4Y)

225 Lasers to the left of them
Lasers to the right
Into space flew the 600

Ours is not to question why
Ours is not to make reply
Ours is but to do or die

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 12:03 PM (BbGew)

226 John Edward, D-NC

Rielle Hunter

Posted by: The Hundred Years War at June 16, 2019 12:03 PM (MwFQu)

227 223 me too

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2019 12:03 PM (BbGew)

228 What else might a twelve-year-old boy be reading?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (4ZE6o)

Playboy....for the articles.

Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 12:04 PM (ykq7q)

229 Reihhard 'Teddy' Suhren's autobiography translated into English is available on the Kindle.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxah9bn3

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 12:05 PM (n7RTy)

230 Hoping to provide my oldest grandkid a little balance in his outlook, I gifted him via the web, two books for his Kindle Fire.

He's twelve, just finished sixth grade, and a voracious reader.

Huckleberry Finn was one,


Maybe I'm needlessly pessimistic, but are you sure that the Kindle version hasn't been bowdlerized?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 16, 2019 12:05 PM (qc+VF)

231 220 As an alumnus of the U. of Chicago, I am very distressed to learn of this. It is contrary to the University's long-standing tradition of free speech. I will protest, but I fear it may get no more notice than this very late post.


Posted by: John Marovich at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (yDxHh)
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It's all over. I just got another alumni magazine; loaded with the "history of racism at the university".
In my most Eeyorish moments I expect them to take over Hillsdale any day now.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 12:05 PM (VaN/j)

232 A People's Tragedy ... The Russian Revolution ... sounds like essential reading. But on Goodreads, reading the comments, this guy ends with what looks like an attack on "authoritarian nationalism" ... (which is the Fake News narrative on America First)



"Figes calls for urgent reevaluation of the political capitalism of the West, pointing out that extremist rhetoric of the sort that fueled the Bolshevik party is periodically going to prove popular 'as long as the mass of the ordinary people remain alienated from the political system and feel themselves excluded from the benefits of the emergent capitalism. Perhaps even more worrying,' he adds, 'authoritarian nationalism has begun to fill the void#8230;' Is this sounding familiar to anybody?"


They say history rhymes (doesn't repeat) ... but I think they have it wrong ... America was not founded like Russia. Of course in 1998 we were seeing globalists assert control, not authoritarian nationalists. .... which is still the case despite Trump and some hope of stopping the oligarchs.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 16, 2019 12:05 PM (Cus5s)

233 Okay, I was sure there was an older SF book by the title "Sky Without Stars", about a man at the edge of the galaxy. I can't find it listed. Am I trippin'?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:06 PM (kQs4Y)

234 What else might a twelve-year-old boy be reading?
Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (4ZE6o)
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Heinlein juveniles. Anything by RLS.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 16, 2019 12:07 PM (iB1oa)

235 Like I said, it probably was deleted five minutes after I spoke.

Posted by: Marcus T


Maybe it was deleted, but what you said still might have punctured some thick skulls and even now may be working inside their rotten brains to produce a modicum of enlightened sanity.

So, well done.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 12:07 PM (7cCNF)

236 You win this time, JT!

*shakes fist*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

You're beautiful when you're angry !

Posted by: JT at June 16, 2019 12:07 PM (JvvIt)

237 228 What else might a twelve-year-old boy be reading?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (4ZE6o)

Playboy....for the articles.
Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 12:04 PM (ykq7q)
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I remember one of the first I saw - maybe the first. It wasn't the centerfold that impressed me most, but the first pictorial (remember, they'd do 3). It featured Julie Newmar. One of the shots has stayed with me ever since.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 12:08 PM (VaN/j)

238 Out, out, damned last week's sock.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 16, 2019 12:08 PM (MwFQu)

239
Judging by Biden's appearances, I don't think he'll be able to make it through the election, much less win.

And yet RBG continues to "march" on.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 16, 2019 12:10 PM (aKsyK)

240
I've seen the word as "bumpf" and used to describe useless paperwork.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:10 PM (Wx/+I)

241 I remember one of the first I saw - maybe the first. It wasn't the centerfold that impressed me most, but the first pictorial (remember, they'd do 3). It featured Julie Newmar. One of the shots has stayed with me ever since.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 16, 2019 12:08 PM (VaN/j)

It was almost a biology text.

Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 12:10 PM (ykq7q)

242 What else might a twelve-year-old boy be reading?

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I loved Robb White when I was that age. Unfortunately, most are out of print. One that you can get is Deathwatch. A teen acts as a guide for a rich man on a hunt in the American southwest desert. When the rich guy accidentally
kills an old prospectors he decides to frame the kid. Good and evil and survival in the desert. They've made a couple of crappy movies but the book is much better and considerably different.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 12:10 PM (+y/Ru)

243 216 These polls are now for the purpose of making the population doubt the outcome (or veracity) of a future election.
So that when things don't turn out the way they predicted, the insane may rant at the sky.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 11:56 AM (w7KSn)


And scream "stolen election" even more loudly than before. The Left always tells us what they intend to do, and that's exactly what they intend to do in 2020.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 12:11 PM (sdi6R)

244 The Light Brigade by Kameron Hurley
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Okay, saw Kameron's pic on Amazon...transitioning?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:11 PM (kQs4Y)

245 So far found nothing but a couple U-564 photos online. Even queried here - https://www.nmrn.org.uk/submarine-museum - and so far no positive results have offered themselves.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 12:12 PM (n7RTy)

246 Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (4ZE6o)

Playboy....for the articles.
Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 12:04 PM (ykq7q)

I haven't seen an issue since a while before Hef died. But I'd be willing to bet the articles are far more obscene than any of the pictures at this point.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at June 16, 2019 12:12 PM (jp0Bv)

247 234 What else might a twelve-year-old boy be reading?
Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (4ZE6o)
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Heinlein juveniles. Anything by RLS.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 16, 2019 12:07 PM (iB1oa)
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Yes! The Heinlein juveniles aren't just ripping yarns, they also show a young person how to deal with assholes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:13 PM (kQs4Y)

248
I remember one of the first I saw - maybe the first. It wasn't the centerfold that impressed me most

In my case, at age 12, Cynthia Myers. Ooof!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:16 PM (Wx/+I)

249 I think Teddy is a lot like The Donald in that he
was a toff who had dealings with all strata of society, had first-hand
knowledge of the practical world, and had a deep appreciation for the
working man and woman. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 11:32 AM (kQs4Y)
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Both were 'working people' who really had to make a living; they acknowledged their privilege (inherited money) and used that energy generously. I may disagree with some of their ideas, but I admire their adherence to classic American 'democracy'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 16, 2019 12:16 PM (MIKMs)

250 Good morning horde. Very tardy. I have the slows this morning. Working on my second cup of joe.

Posted by: None shall pass at June 16, 2019 12:16 PM (JdcHc)

251 Thanks Anna.

I love that there's an Explosion Museum of Naval Firepower. I bet they have a terrific gift shop.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:17 PM (kQs4Y)

252 Les K. at #221 - in my nom as Celia Hayes, I wrote a series of classic Western adventures just for tween and teen boys like your grandson: Lone Star Sons and Lone Star Glory: a young Texas Ranger and his Delaware Indian blood brother searching for missing people, buried treasure, righting wrongs and generally seeking justice. They're on Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O2BP0JY/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i14

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at June 16, 2019 12:17 PM (xnmPy)

253 What else might a twelve-year-old boy be reading?
Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 16, 2019 12:00 PM (4ZE6o)

Every 12 year old boy should read Rudyard Kipling's Captains Courageous .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 12:18 PM (2DOZq)

254 250 Good morning horde. Very tardy. I have the slows this morning.
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I got up early but so far my major accomplishment has been putting on pants for the hoidy-toidy Book Thread.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:18 PM (kQs4Y)

255 I'm hoping this one does more with history. I already think 95 percent of the news media should disappear into Don Lemon's black hole along with that airliner. (Read that however you wish.)

Posted by: JTB


Unfreedom of the Press is about 75% history, and is a great read.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 16, 2019 12:18 PM (7cCNF)

256 They appear to be pulling out what few stops might have remained. It's worse every day and it appears to be working.
Posted by: creeper at June 16, 2019 11:56 AM (BK/QP)


I don't think it's working at all. I think it means they're ensconcing themselves even deeper into their isolated little bubbles, so when the hated Orange Man wins in 2020, the weeping and wailing are going to be even more over-the-top.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 16, 2019 12:19 PM (t4VPg)

257 You're welcome Eris, though I am a bit leery of something called the Heritage Lottery Fund.

Almost sounds like the Brits are using a game of darts to decide what gets saved after a round or two of beer.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 16, 2019 12:21 PM (n7RTy)

258 212 204 I got Shoveling Smoke by Austin Davis because it was set in East Texas. It turned out to be a fun, entertaining book with parts that made me laugh out loud. I wish Bill Paxton were still around; I think he'd make a good movie out of it. It was about $5 on Kindle. One thing though: the main plot touches on people who kill valuable horses for the insurance (upsetting to me because I had horses) but it works out. That sounds weird but it does.
Posted by: Bean Counteress of Rohan at June 16, 2019 11:45 AM (eZfF5)

as an East Texan, I might have to get that - hadn't heard of it before, so I looked up the amazon synopsis. I noted with amusement that one of the protagonists is named "Gil Stroud". My wife was born a Stroud, and one of the quirks of deep East Texas (eastern Oklahoma, too) is that the place is plum lousy with Strouds. Don't know why so many of them settled here, but they did.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 12:21 PM (V2Yro)

259 I think Trump will win in 2020 but the saying 'Hope for the best but prepare for the worst' is most appropriate here.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 16, 2019 12:23 PM (2DOZq)

260 It's all over. I just got another alumni magazine; loaded with the "history of racism at the university".
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The last three months have been nonstop idiocy; not only the colleges and universities magazines but also the sororities.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 16, 2019 12:23 PM (MIKMs)

261 I don't think it's working at all. I think it means they're ensconcing themselves even deeper into their isolated little bubbles, so when the hated Orange Man wins in 2020, the weeping and wailing are going to be even more over-the-top.

The funniest part is that they have Biden winning the Presidency when they haven't even figured out how he's going to win the Dem primaries.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 12:24 PM (V2Yro)

262 I don't think it's working at all. I think it means they're ensconcing themselves even deeper into their isolated little bubbles, so when the hated Orange Man wins in 2020, the weeping and wailing are going to be even more over-the-top.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 16, 2019 12:19 PM (t4VPg)
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Perhaps they'll willingly recycle themselves, a la Soylent Green.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:24 PM (kQs4Y)

263 The funniest part is that they have Biden winning the Presidency when they haven't even figured out how he's going to win the Dem primaries.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 16, 2019 12:24 PM (V2Yro)
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Perhaps, like with HRC, they'll have it all figured out in advance.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:25 PM (kQs4Y)

264 nood, y'all

Posted by: BignJames at June 16, 2019 12:25 PM (ykq7q)

265
The only thing I read my alumni magazine for is to see who died.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 16, 2019 12:26 PM (Wx/+I)

266 Another book my daughter loved at that age is Revolution by Jennifer Donnelly. A contemporary, privileged teen girl suffers a tragedy and her dysfunctional celebrity parents are so self-involved they are unable to support her. She stumbles across the diary of a young girl during the French revolution and discovers they share similar problems. Caveat: while wallowing in despair early in the book, she hangs with other elite kids into drugs and alcohol. She soon leaves that behind. One of the other things I liked about the book is that she goes to Paris to research a French guitarist composer of revolutionary days (who I think is based on Fernando Sor) and music is a big part of the story.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 16, 2019 12:29 PM (+y/Ru)

267 Polls are literally dangerous to respond to accurately.
Who would identify themselves as a Trump supporter, to a perfect stranger on the phone?
Not me.
Even tho' I am one.
Why?
Because, insanity is rampant.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at June 16, 2019 11:59 AM (w7KSn)


This is why I rolled my eyes at opinion polls about Gaylord; like someone, other than me, will tell a stranger over the phone that the first black preznit sucks maximum cock.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 12:29 PM (y7DUB)

268 This is why I rolled my eyes at opinion polls about Gaylord; like someone, other than me, will tell a stranger over the phone that the first black preznit sucks maximum cock.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 16, 2019 12:29 PM (y7DUB)
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He's too lazy to suck maximum cock. Just enough to get by.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 16, 2019 12:34 PM (kQs4Y)

269 Oops, I waited too long and got willowed. Someone upthread mentioned David McCullough's book about Teddy Roosevelt. Call it coincidence or serendipity, but this morning I received an e-mail recommendation from Amazon for his book about the Wright Brothers.

I haven't read that one, but it reminded me of "To Conquer the Air" by James Tobin. This is the best book I've read about the origins of powered flight. The Wrights are the stars, obviously, but it also gives detailed coverage to their contemporaries like Samuel P. Langley, Alexander Graham Bell, Alberto Santos-Dumont, Glenn Curtiss, and more. It is a very well-rounded book.

Everybody knows (or used to know, before schools became "woke") that the Wrights made four flights in North Carolina on the morning of December 17, 1903. What is less well-known is that the Flyer was wrecked by a gust of wind while they were taking a break before trying more flights. That ended their experiments for the year, and they packed up the remains and headed back to Ohio.

They built a new Flyer in 1904 but it never worked very well. They went back to the drawing board and built a new, improved model for 1905 which they flew extensively at Huffman Prairie with very little publicity. Locals driving by in their horses and buggies got used to seeing them tooling around in the air, but few people outside the area knew about it. Rumors and tales of flights around a circular course lasting several minutes were treated with extreme skepticism in Europe, where no one had yet made a simple straight-line hop.

Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 12:46 PM (sdi6R)

270 269
Oops, I waited too long and got willowed.


Posted by: rickl at June 16, 2019 12:46 PM (sdi6R)

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Can't willow on the book thread. People check back all day.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 16, 2019 12:57 PM (cfSRQ)

271 >>> 252 Les K. at #221 - in my nom as Celia Hayes, I wrote a series of classic Western adventures just for tween and teen boys like your grandson: Lone Star Sons and Lone Star Glory: a young Texas Ranger and his Delaware Indian blood brother searching for missing people, buried treasure, righting wrongs and generally seeking justice. They're on Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O2BP0JY/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i14
Posted by: Sgt. Mom at June 16, 2019 12:17 PM (xnmPy)

I'm an 'ette, and not 12 (although sometimes my sense of humor is), and I enjoyed both of these.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 16, 2019 01:09 PM (0ReGO)

272 A perfect description of... you left out "all of the above."

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 16, 2019 01:19 PM (ABuva)

273 Reihhard 'Teddy' Suhren's autobiography translated into English is available on the Kindle.


But not in Krautish, alas.

There is a book of the Hidden Photographic Diary of U-564, too.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 16, 2019 01:28 PM (fuK7c)

274 Books for twelve year old boys? In addition to the good recommendations above, "Hatchet" by Gary Paulson, Treasure Island (with Wyeth illustrations if possible), and most Kipling and Jack London books. I'll repeat Sgt. Mom's suggestion about her "Lone Star Sons" series. They are a fun read for younger folks and adults.

If the boy likes the outdoors, any of the collections of Pat MacManus articles should be good.

Posted by: JTB at June 16, 2019 01:28 PM (bmdz3)

275 There is a book o