Sunday Overnight Open Thread (6/23/19)

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The Quotes of The Day


Quote I

“Our 2019 focus is on operational execution in our restaurants and optimizing the experience for our customers,” McDonald’s CEO Steve Easterbrook


Quote II

Who wants a U.S. war with Iran?

Primarily the same people who goaded us into wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen, and who oppose every effort of Trump’s to extricate us from those wars.

Should they succeed in Iran, it is hard to see how we will ever be able to extricate our country from this blood-soaked region that holds no vital strategic interest save oil, and America, thanks to fracking, has become independent of that.Patrick J. Buchanan


Quote III

"I've got the [SNAP] form in my hand and I'm thinking of my financial situation, and I said ‘you know, I just can't believe this. So I went down to the second floor of the Sterns County Courthouse, stood in line a little bit, handed in the application and three weeks later I'm getting food stamps, a balance on my EBT card." Rob Undersander


Quote IV

“I’d like to express my deep and heartfelt gratitude to David Gilmour for this utterly remarkable gift. David has a long history of supporting charities and I am honored that he has chosen ClientEarth to benefit from this landmark auction.” James thornton

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Did any of you vote for Kevin McAleenan to set immigration policy? I didn't think so.

The chronic problem of sabotage by bureaucrats hostile to the outsider president shaking up the Deep State will never be solved until unmasking and punishment become the order of the day. That’s why it is so heartening that with unusual swiftness, accusations are pointing to the alleged identity of a leaker who successfully delayed implementation of a key Trump policy initiative, the planned ICE raids on illegal alien scofflaws who have defied court orders for theior deportation.

This exercise will – if the allegations are sustained by evidence – help establish a norm of exposing the rat finks that could discourage future saboteurs.

Leaks to multiple media outlets, first reported by the Washington Post, exposed plans for ICE raids on illegal aliens who have gone through the appeals process and ignored court orders for their deportation. As a result, following strong Democrat protests, implementation of the plan has been delayed by two weeks.


In my misanthropic world Mr. McAleenan, would be facing harsh consequences if the accusations are true.


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It really is a small world after all.H/T Hank Curmudgeon

On a Sunday morning last summer, Pat Reidy, who lives near Wrigley Field in Chicago, received an email from a stranger in France.

“I allow me to contact you,” it began. “I am Anthony Paysant a 22-year-old French citizen and I live in the town of Mortain near Barenton, Normandy.”

The stranger went on to say that he and his family were very interested in the Second World War and always participated in local memorial celebrations to show their gratitude to the soldiers who had helped liberate France from the German Nazis.


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Great Britain metropolitan cities continue to be a warm and inviting cities. Nah, just kidding.

Children attacked two gay men with a knife after making homophobic insults towards them. One of the men was left with serious injuries to the head and neck, while the other man escaped with a minor hand injury in the ‘appalling and unprovoked attack’. Both men, in their thirties, were walking home in Liverpool around 9.20pm on Saturday when they were approached by three male youths, police said. The offenders are described as between 12 and 15, with one wearing a dark bubble coat and one riding a bike. They insulted the men, before one of the male youths pulled out a knife and assaulted them.

I bet next week's paycheck that the culprits are affiliated with the Religion of Pieces Peace.


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If the byproduct of vaping was filthy litter, vaping would be legal in San Francisco.

San Francisco became the first city in the U.S. to ban the sale of e-cigarettes Tuesday despite opposition from corner store owners and local vaping manufacturer Juul.
The Board of Supervisors voted 11-0 to approve the legislation introduced by Supervisor Shamann Walton, which is intended to prevent youth from vaping.
“We spent the ’90s battling Big Tobacco. And now we see its new form through e-cigarettes,” Walton said.
This is a good idea. A youth walking down a San Francisco street for a vape refill might slip on some human feces and fall into a pile of dirty needles. We have to think about the children.

Maybe vapers should self-identify as heroin users.


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Violating a Minneapolis cop's privacy was an expensive misdeed.

When Krekelberg asked for an audit of accesses to her DMV records, as allowed by Minnesota state law, she learned that her information—which would include things like her address, weight, height, and driver’s license pictures—had been viewed nearly 1,000 times since 2003, even though she was never under investigation by law enforcement. In fact, Krekelberg was law enforcement: She joined the Minneapolis Police Department in 2012, after spending eight years working elsewhere for the city, mostly as an officer for the Park & Recreation Board. She later learned that over 500 of those lookups were conducted by dozens of other cops. Even more eerie, many officers had searched for her in the middle of the night.

Krekelberg eventually sued the city of Minneapolis, as well as two individual officers, for violating the Driver’s Privacy Protection Act, which governs the disclosure of personal information collected by state motor-vehicle departments. Earlier this week, her case prevailed. On Wednesday, a jury awarded Krekelberg $585,000, including $300,000 in punitive damages from the two defendants, who looked up Krekelberg’s information after she allegedly rejected their romantic advances, according to court documents.


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I’M A JOURNALIST BUT I DIDN’T FULLY REALIZE THE TERRIBLE POWER OF U.S. BORDER OFFICIALS UNTIL THEY VIOLATED MY RIGHTS AND PRIVACY

I SHOULD HAVE kept my mouth shut about the guacamole; that made things worse for me. Otherwise, what I’m about to describe could happen to any American who travels internationally. It happened 33,295 times last year.

My work as a journalist has taken me to many foreign countries, including frequent trips to Mexico. On May 13, I was returning to the U.S. from Mexico City when, passing through immigration at the Austin airport, I was pulled out of line for “secondary screening,” a quasi-custodial law enforcement process that takes place in the Homeland Security zone of the airport.

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That's one way to attract talent. The NSA dares students to break a cyber code challenge.

The National Security Agency’s best and brightest cybersecurity experts are putting their skills to the test.

No, it’s not by stopping the Chinese or Russians from hacking government systems—though they are doing that too, we think.

Rather, it’s by developing a cyber challenge and daring more than 330 schools and 2,600 students to solve it.

Kathy Hutson, the senior strategist for industry and academic engagement at the NSA, said the Codebreaker Challenge has become one of the best ways to attract the next generation of talent to the federal government.


Kathy Hutson is NSA’s Senior Strategist for Academic Engagement.
“We are doing the high touch and personal approach to educate and attract students. Through the Codebreaker Challenges, we are using a non-traditional approach, which also teaches good fundamental skills for NSA as well as the nation,” Hutson said on Ask the CIO. “In our new employee orientation class, we started to poll all of our new employees as far as how they became interested in NSA. Among the new employees at a recent orientation class, one woman identified that she came to NSA through the GenCyber camps, which NSA hosts, and what sealed the deal for her was participating in the Codebreaker Challenge.”

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Just how the f*ck do you politicize a benign hobby? This is how.

Knitting And Crochet Site Bans Any Posts Supporting Donald Trump
How crazy has the left gotten? They’re even forbidding speech on knitting sites.


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In last night's ONT the following comment was made:

554 Hey MH/Ace/any other co-blogger, long time listener (a REALLY long time) first time caller. Love the show.
Hey, how do I submit tips? This post will be in the mid-500's so most likely, no one will see it. But I just read a post on an Australian blog (I'm Aussie) that I thought had merit and may be of interest to all morons.

http://catallaxyfiles. com/2019 /06 /22 /jupes -on -veteran -suicides -poor-service -delivery -or- poor-training/(Remove all the spaces to get the link to work. Comment rejected because "long strings are annoying" apparently)

That's the article in question. I wonder if the US has a similar experience?
Posted by: Shaun at June 23, 2019 01:13 AM (v0Emz)


It isn't only the U.S.A. that has an alarming veteran suicide rate, so does Australia .Veteran suicides poor service delivery or poor training?

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The ONT Musical Interlude



On this day: June 23, 2003 - Diana Ross
Diana Ross appeared in court and testified that she was coerced and felt intimidated into taking a breath test that showed her blood alcohol level was 0.2 (well over the 0.08 limit). The singer said, "If I didn’t take the breath tests, I was either going to go to the hospital or to jail". After the hearing, Ross asked the judge if it would be possible to have court paperwork processed using her married name of Diana Naess. The City Magistrate said he thought it was "a little late" for that now. via thisdayinmusic.com


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Arrested with fake erect penis, gun and hair conditioner? No, not Florida man. Genius Award Winner.

A Tuscaloosa County man accused of impersonating a ride-sharing driver has been arrested and indicted on multiple charges.

Tommy Beard was arrested in March, and charged with two counts of kidnapping and impersonating a transportation network company driver.


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She self-identified as a winner. Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.

A teenage tennis star hopes to go all the way to the top after earning the Wimbledon wildcard - despite having only eight fingers and seven toes.

Fran Jones, 18, was born with rare genetic disorder ectrodactyly-ectodermal dysplasia cleft lip/palate - commonly known as EED or EEC.

It means that she was born with webbed fingers and, after countless operations, today has three fingers and a thumb on each hand, four toes on her left foot, and just three toes on her right foot.


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Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (htgmn)

2 Good evening!

Posted by: ibguy at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (EHVbt)

3 Thirſt!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (wgV7k)

4 Who's a Happy Girl?

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (htgmn)

5 Happy & hawt

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:02 PM (aA3+G)

6 Top ten!

Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2019 10:03 PM (Vgw1E)

7 I don't care if Pat Buchanan is right or wrong when he speaks. He can DIAF for all I care. With all due respect of course.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 10:04 PM (2DOZq)

8 Anyone else having problems with AT&T?

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 23, 2019 10:04 PM (pPNCa)

9 That McDonald's CEO quote sounds like it's straight out of a Dilbert cartoon.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 23, 2019 10:05 PM (+lVUW)

10 I wrested control of the remote tonight.

Boy, am I in trouble.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:05 PM (htgmn)

11 Air show recap.

Did the air show at Fairchild, yesterday. It was much smaller than JBLM, fewer static displays, etc. But let me tell you, the F22 demos stole the show and made the trouble worthwhile.

First demo was solo. Mixture of slow and high speed. Incredible capabilities. Second demo was flown with a P51 Mustang flying in formations, making passes. Whoever thought this up was a genius. Air superiority from wild separated eras. Air superiority is timeless. Absolutely incredible.

Also, F5, F15, F16, C5, C17, C130, Wildcats, Avengers, oh my. Good times.

They also had a few Ospreys, static, and a UH1, static and demo, and B51, static and demo, and F35, static. Missed from the JBLM show were the A10, Chinook, Cobra, Apache, B1, and many more. Still worth it at Fairchild, however.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 23, 2019 10:06 PM (t6MX/)

12 “Our 2019 focus is on operational execution in our restaurants and optimizing the experience for our customers,” McDonald’s CEO Steve Easterbrook


I want my experience to be cheap, tasty, and filling.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 10:07 PM (CFSlN)

13 I am stealing the Gray Pride picture, and posting it on my FakeBook page.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:08 PM (htgmn)

14 The McDonalds link is borked.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:08 PM (NWiLs)

15 osted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 10:04 PM (2DOZq)


Concern noted or not

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:08 PM (aA3+G)

16 Violating a Minneapolis cop's privacy . . .
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The police, you know, they're the Thin Blue Line et cetera et cetera.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 10:08 PM (ta49A)

17 11; awesome. i'm jealous as hell. freedom kicks ass.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 10:09 PM (KP5rU)

18 Anyone else having problems with AT&T?

No, but I'm pissed at KCPL. Two power outages in less than 24 hours and no good reason. Sweat my ass off last night when it went off and this afternoon in the middle of cooking.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:09 PM (dUJdY)

19 "Our 2019 focus is on operational execution in our restaurants and optimizing the experience for our customers," McDonald's CEO Steve Easterbrook

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Look for McNuggets with exceptional tenderness and flavor, and little to no coliform bacteria on the ordering kiosk.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:09 PM (9SkN+)

20 Happy-ish Sunday Evening, all y'all ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hog Buying at Market Critic ... at June 23, 2019 10:10 PM (LPnfS)

21 Nice! Top pic looks like Aasgard Pass and Colchuck Lake in WA state.

Posted by: Rex B at June 23, 2019 10:10 PM (5MSK2)

22 I bet next week's paycheck that the culprits are affiliated with the Religion of Pieces Peace.

In the UK they're referred to as "Asians". As if Buddhists have Jihad.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 23, 2019 10:10 PM (+lVUW)

23 Now look what you did!

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 10:10 PM (M1n0C)

24 1 & done.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (Pg+x7)

25 I heart STL sports fans. Cards were down to the Angels 2-0, top of the ninth, bases were loaded with no outs, Pujols came up to bat, and the Cards fans *still* gave him a standing ovation. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (Vgw1E)

26 Grey Pride

https://tinyurl.com/y4wv334c

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (9SkN+)

27 How did that happen?

Posted by: Tonypete at June 23, 2019 10:13 PM (X6Yfj)

28 I am patiently waiting for the knitting forum to open up again for new sign-ons, so I can test their mettle.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 23, 2019 10:13 PM (4ZE6o)

29 Did the ONT disappear or am I hallucinating?

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:13 PM (htgmn)

30 8 Anyone else having problems with AT&T?
Posted by: Basement Cat at June 23, 2019 10:04 PM (pPNCa)

Not yet, but give it a few hours. AT&T is the absolute worst.

Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2019 10:13 PM (Vgw1E)

31 First there is an ONT, then there is no ONT, then there is...

Posted by: Donovan at June 23, 2019 10:14 PM (geIq4)

32 29 Did the ONT disappear or am I hallucinating?
Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:13 PM (htgmn)


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Yes and yes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:14 PM (9SkN+)

33 Her missing digits affect her racket grip and her balance, and medical professionals told her that becoming a top tennis player would be "impossible".

Nice wild-ass guess, "medical professionals". Becoming a top tennis player is "impossible" for everybody.

Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2019 10:14 PM (lK7fO)

34 Well, my 3 week vacation has ended. Back to the salt mines tomorrow. UGH.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:14 PM (dUJdY)

35 The first rule of ONT...

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (F8YM0)

36 It did it again.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (htgmn)

37 ...actually, i wanted to note gilmour's gift of the proceeds from the sale of his guitars ($21 million). it's his to do with as he wants, but it's sort of like your grandmother giving her estate to a televangelist.

he's in a cult.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (Pg+x7)

38 Rex
It does but I don't think the lake is the right orientation to the pass.
Great place though.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (TkuZ0)

39 Wow, top 20

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (DjiZK)

40 Someone needs to let McDonalds know I did t go there for the "experience", I went there because the food was good. I didn't eat there daily and I knew the food was not a healthy choice. They have screwed with their food so bad that I do not go there at all; it's either Chik-fil-A or Wendy's even tho I hate their fries too.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (a4qVe)

41 32 29 Did the ONT disappear or am I hallucinating?
Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:13 PM (htgmn)


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Yes and yes.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:14 PM (9SkN+)


As God as my witness I thought that turkeys could fly

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (aA3+G)

42 Shit

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (DjiZK)

43 Well, my 3 week vacation has ended. Back to the salt mines tomorrow. UGH.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:14 PM (dUJdY)


Same here, but three day weekend.

Oh well.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:16 PM (t+qrx)

44 Jewells, it has been my experience that the longer the vacation, the more emails and paperwork pile up.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:17 PM (htgmn)

45 Hitting the ground like wet bags of cement

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 23, 2019 10:17 PM (DjiZK)

46 Well, my 3 week vacation has ended. Back to the salt mines tomorrow. UGH.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:14 PM (dUJdY)

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You pampered queens in the salt mines. When I was a kid we spent our summers mining guano on this island off South America.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:17 PM (9SkN+)

47 As God as my witness I thought that turkeys could fly
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (aA3+G)

You mean they can't?

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:17 PM (htgmn)

48 C'mon, Wired dot com.

If you're going to say people were looking at someone's driver's license photo in the middle of the night, after she turned them down romantically...

...you need to include a damn picture.

How freakin' hot are you if you DL photo is better than the actual pr0n on the internet?

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2019 10:17 PM (P1f+c)

49 Cicero, you had an island?

Luxury!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 23, 2019 10:18 PM (X6Yfj)

50 Teh ONT is working fine for me, especially this evening... Recently, though, it's been "jumpy" off and on -- but not tonight -- so far!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 23, 2019 10:18 PM (wgV7k)

51 ALH.. true but this is our down time so I will get thru the regular mail in 15 minutes. Emails probably the same. Everyone knew I was going to be gone. Most of it will be junk. Just anxious to know if our GM is coming back or not. I should know tomorrow. I'm hoping he does.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:19 PM (dUJdY)

52 Good evening,

Beautiful top picture

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at June 23, 2019 10:19 PM (IDhUW)

53

Gray Panthers

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 10:19 PM (aKsyK)

54 38- Winston,yes, its been 40 years since I was there. I am also going by the green hue of the lake which I had been told was a high alkaline level in the lake.

Posted by: Rex B at June 23, 2019 10:19 PM (dQDxm)

55 Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (a4qVe)

Wendy's fries > Chick-fil-a Waffle product

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 10:19 PM (2DOZq)

56 I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. I think we got sent to some other dimension.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 23, 2019 10:20 PM (+lVUW)

57 https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/
2019/06/multiple_fingers_pointing_at_alleged_
leaker_of_plans_for_ice_raids_today.html


This will get you to the borked border policy link. (all one line)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at June 23, 2019 10:20 PM (LWu6U)

58
Did any of you vote for Kevin McAleenan to set immigration policy? I didn't think so.


Bad link ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hog Buying at Market Critic ... at June 23, 2019 10:20 PM (LPnfS)

59 Just anxious to know if our GM is coming back or not. I should know tomorrow. I'm hoping he does.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:19 PM (dUJdY)

Upheavals in Upper Management are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you'll get.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:20 PM (htgmn)

60 AT&T is the absolute worst.

My problem is e-mail; I can send but not receive (opposite of Hotel California). When I first got my e-mail address, my landline was served by a subsidiary of AT&T. Then AT&T dumped everyone in my state onto Frontier without so much as a by-your-leave. Result is that when I try to get my e-mail up and running again, I have to tell the robot that answers the phone at least six times that I don't have an AT&T account any longer. I've talked to three people at Yahoo since Friday, who (to be fair to them) have tried their best to fix the e-mail issue, but it always comes down to them saying that AT&T has a service outage at the moment and they can't do anything more.

I'm starting to think AT&T is run by AOC and her minions.

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 23, 2019 10:20 PM (pPNCa)

61 “The global climate crisis is the greatest challenge that humanity will ever face, and we are within a few years of the effects of global warming being irreversible,” tweeted Gilmour.


We all drink the same water, wtf is it?

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 10:20 PM (CFSlN)

62 Someone needs to let McDonalds know I did t go there for the "experience"

The "experience" and the food have improved greatly, though, especially with the expansion to an all-day breakfast. Somebody is trying. They are no longer dingy places with employees half-assing it, that I see. (PHL airport McD's proving that there are exceptions)

Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2019 10:21 PM (DCYln)

63 Wendy's fries > Chick-fil-a Waffle product
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 10:19 PM (2DOZq)

Amen. I thought I was the only person on the planet that didn't like Chick-fil-A.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:22 PM (htgmn)

64 Turkeys can fly. Wild ones anyway.
Usually just enough to escape the wrath of the dog.

Hey Flounder!
I knew about the airshow at Fairchild but had other things that couldn't be put off.
I'm glad it was cool. Driving across eastern WA I've been buzzed by any number of fighters doing road work low passes. It can be exciting and then you understand that you've just been strafed and killed.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at June 23, 2019 10:22 PM (TkuZ0)

65 55 I kinda like the waffle product when it's very fresh, but no not my fave. The best "chain" fries in our area to me are at Portillo's.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:22 PM (a4qVe)

66 Someone needs to let McDonalds know I did t go there for the "experience", I went there because the food was good. I didn't eat there daily and I knew the food was not a healthy choice. They have screwed with their food so bad that I do not go there at all; it's either Chik-fil-A or Wendy's even tho I hate their fries too.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (a4qVe)

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I will say that, when it's working right, their app certainly enhances the experience, especially when ordering for multiple people. And they make the order right 75-80% of the time!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 10:22 PM (8g9zh)

67
I bet next week's paycheck that the culprits are affiliated with the Religion of Peace.

More likely it will be blamed on white nationalists.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 10:23 PM (aKsyK)

68 re : intentionally defrauded the federal government," McGovern shot back. "That is, in my opinion, breaking the law

A legislator's opinion has no bearing on the law; a legislature writes new laws and does not interpret old ones. [That's something you learn when you, you know, run for a legislature]

As for "defrauded", the actual word you're looking for is "abuse". Fraud is another of those pesky legal terms which have a real meaning: that's when you misrepresent your position to get a government advantage. Undersander abused the system but did it legal.

Undersander's real crime is that he made the legislators look bad.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:23 PM (ykYG2)

69 Not to step on any toes, but I need to make a short rant here about Vox Day.

I think the guy is very sharp, does a lot of good coverage on events in Europe you certainly won't get from their legacy media, and in general has done a great job of shifting the Overton window to the right. However, he has no talent at all when it comes to working with people who agree with him on 90% of things but differ over the other 10%.

Just today he made a post about a guy from the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way, basically seeking alternatives to marriage and kids for fulfillment) who had emailed him, explaining why feminism had made so many young men afraid to wade into the dating pool, and what helpful advice VD might have for such men, since he had declared his opposition to the MGTOW movement.

This was VD's response: "You quit. You're out. You're done. You ran from the battle. So be it. You don't count anymore. Now go off and die alone, as you've chosen."

How is this helpful in any way? I don't know a whole lot about the MGTOW, so maybe I'm off base, but there is no way the hard Right, or whatever you want to call it, is going to build a viable counter-movement to what passes for modern society if people like VD are telling anyone who doesn't subscribe to every point of their platform to piss off. I don't get it.

Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2019 10:24 PM (Vgw1E)

70 Cicero, you had an island?

Luxury!
Posted by: Tonypete at June 23, 2019 10:18 PM (X6Yfj)

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It would be, if it weren't for that bonehead Gilligan!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 10:24 PM (8g9zh)

71
They have screwed with their food so bad that I do not go there at all; it's either Chik-fil-A or Wendy's even tho I hate their fries too.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:15 PM (a4qVe)


Can they win you back with their very own mystery meat, the McRib sammich?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 23, 2019 10:24 PM (pNxlR)

72 how is McGovern even in a legislature if he doesn't have a clue about civics? i'm a fucking foreigner and even i know this shit.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:24 PM (ykYG2)

73 66 but the food has no taste! The bread is rubbery too.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:25 PM (a4qVe)

74 Ken
It's been a while for me but I remember going up the Pass to the Enchantments. A tough day. Then driving back to Seattle to deliver my companion to her job at Harborview.
Ruined a pair of boots on that trip. No snow at least but it's the short way in but tough.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at June 23, 2019 10:25 PM (TkuZ0)

75 First there is an ONT, then there is no ONT, then there is...
Posted by: Donovan


There is no ONT. Only Zuul!

Posted by: Dana Barrett at June 23, 2019 10:25 PM (S6Pax)

76 Evening Horde. Five more days in the traces next week. Urk. But it was a relaxing weekend, so what the hell. Hope everybody has a good week.

Posted by: joncelli tries Windows 10 at June 23, 2019 10:26 PM (1FhAQ)

77 Cheriebebe, the "experience" is mainly for the kids in that playland, I guess. As for the food, McD's hasn't screwed up their breakfasts too bad yet.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:26 PM (ykYG2)

78 we are within a few years of the effects of global warming being irreversible," tweeted Gilmour.

What a fucking retard, you twat.

Posted by: Mother Earth, She of the Many Ice Ages at June 23, 2019 10:26 PM (Z1eux)

79 Who blowed up the margins?

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:26 PM (a4qVe)

80 I'll see you on the warm side of the moon.

Posted by: Crazy Diamond at June 23, 2019 10:26 PM (EgshT)

81 I think I stretched the blog out.

Oopsie.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:26 PM (htgmn)

82 Holy Christ who blew the margins!!??

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:26 PM (dUJdY)

83 Did any of you vote for Kevin McAleenan to set immigration policy? I didn't think so..


Here's former ICE, Tom Homan going off on sanctuary cities and going off on DHS (2:39), Kevin McAleenan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kltLRpXhXww

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 10:26 PM (CFSlN)

84 Blown on a Sunday Night...

didn't see that coming.

Posted by: The Margins at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (M1n0C)

85 Has anyone ever actually seen a live specimen of the animal they get McRibs from?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (9SkN+)

86 58
Did any of you vote for Kevin McAleenan to set immigration policy? I didn't think so.


Bad link ...
Posted by: Adriane the Hog Buying at Market Critic ... at June 23, 2019 10:20 PM (LPnfS)


Thanks and fixed.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (aA3+G)

87 Good luck tomorrow, Jewels. Silly Lee's Summiteer.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (F8YM0)

88 ALH... nice knowin ya.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (dUJdY)

89 Did the ONT disappear or am I hallucinating?
Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:13 PM


Tonight's story on The Twilight Zone is somewhat unique and calls for a different kind of introduction. This, as you may recognize, is a map of the Internet, and there's a little website there called Ace of Spades HQ. On a given evening not too long ago, the rest of the internet disappeared and Ace of Spades HQ was left all alone. Its inhabitants were never sure whether the internet was destroyed and only Ace of Spades HQ left untouched or whether the website had somehow been taken away...

All I have to say is think Happy Thoughts

Posted by: Rod Serling at June 23, 2019 10:28 PM (zCabI)

90 Anyone else having problems with AT&T?
Posted by: Basement Cat

Yep. Mainly the telegraph part.

Posted by: Miklos, back to Western Union I guess at June 23, 2019 10:28 PM (QzkSJ)

91 89 ALH... nice knowin ya.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (dUJdY)

How bad can the Barrel be?

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:28 PM (htgmn)

92 66 but the food has no taste! The bread is rubbery too.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:25 PM (a4qVe)

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I don't know. I could live on their McRib (if they had it around more often), and my son likes their hamburgers plain. Don't know why, and he doesn't care for other places hamburgers (or even homemade).

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 10:28 PM (8g9zh)

93 Good luck tomorrow, Jewels. Silly Lee's Summiteer.

lol.. thanks! Eh.. I only got 10 months. Plus just remembered I'm getting a new computer this week. Now I get to learn Windows 10.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:28 PM (dUJdY)

94 BTH I think the breakfast menu is what's keeping them afloat. The 2 for 4 breakfast sammichs are a lifesaver for my husband when he doesn't eat breakfast at home. They quit that they will be hosed.
I was never a McRib fan. I didn't like their sauce.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:29 PM (a4qVe)

95 Has anyone ever actually seen a live specimen of the animal they get McRibs from?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (9SkN+)


They make it out of Grade E Grimace.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:29 PM (t+qrx)

96 ALH, if you're going to post a link use tinyurl or some other product that will shorten the address otherwise you blow the margins.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:29 PM (aA3+G)

97 The comments tonight are BROADening my horizons.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 10:29 PM (ta49A)

98 Has anyone ever actually seen a live specimen of the animal they get McRibs from?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (9SkN+)

------------------------------------

Think smaller. Think more legs.....

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 10:29 PM (8g9zh)

99 "Our 2019 focus is on operational execution in our restaurants and optimizing the experience for our customers," McDonald's CEO Steve Easterbrook

LOL. Your restaurants suck shit, these days. It takes forever to get the food, the food blows and it's expensive, to boot.

Bring back Ronald McDonald. He was the only good CEO McDonald's ever had. Only a real clown can run that place.

P.S. I used to love McDonald's and eat there more than a few times a week. It all started going downhill years ago when they started that crap with taking your order, taking your money, and making you wait in line with the other losers for them to decide to give you your food. You knew that was a bad omen.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:29 PM (weya0)

100 McDonald's coffee is pretty good.

And it's always a plus when their shake machine is working.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:30 PM (htgmn)

101 Wow, so much content. Lovely first pic. I showed the raverly nonsense to my wife today, she's a big time knitter. She was appalled. I also told her there was an AOS group there.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at June 23, 2019 10:30 PM (f9A2A)

102 some day Pixy will have a system that doesn't allow posters to barrel themselves so easy.

I'd start by treating underscores as hyphens for the purpose of wrapping texts.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:30 PM (ykYG2)

103 OK, we're back to normal. Yeah, I have nothing poignant to say.

Oh, wait -- Guns N' Roses are underrated.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (ta49A)

104 Has anyone ever actually seen a live specimen of the animal they get McRibs from?

From the hump of a Spamel.

Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (C78No)

105 I think the breakfast menu is what's keeping them afloat. The 2 for 4 breakfast sammichs are a lifesaver for my husband when he doesn't eat breakfast at home. They quit that they will be hosed.
Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:29 PM (a4qVe)


I get a breakfast burrito from there sometimes if I forgot to make something the night before and I'm running late. Nutritionally and taste-wise, you could do a lot worse. And it's cheap and fast.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (t+qrx)

106 this blood-soaked region that holds no vital strategic interest save oil,

LOL.

No vital interests ... save the lifeblood of the modern world ...

ROFLMAO!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (weya0)

107 Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 23, 2019 10:06 PM (t6MX/)

Ah, I remember going to air shows at Moffett Field NAS as a kid. We actually lived close enough that the Blue Angels would fly low over our house during their shows (and practices). We'd always try to go on the last day, so we could hang out and watch the visiting aircraft leave. One year the B-52 did four fly-bys before bugging out, one pass with the bomb bay doors open. Pretty awesome. Alas, there hasn't been an air show at Moffett in at least 20 years.

Posted by: Reggie at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (LMcFk)

108 How do you make a link be a tiny url?

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (htgmn)

109 If McDonald's wants to optimize their operation execution they need to get rid of the double drive through. The drop out meth heads they hire ain't smart enough to handle it.

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (1L9V9)

110 since it's the ONT and we didn't get a movie thread yesterday - just watched Hotel Mumbai on dvd today - really good

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (dm05u)

111 Off, dirty sock.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (LMcFk)

112 How do you make a link be a tiny url?

Posted by: ALH
________

Go to TinyURL.com and follow the easy instructions.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (ta49A)

113 P.S. I used to love McDonald's and eat there more than a few times a week. It all started going downhill years ago when they started that crap with taking your order, taking your money, and making you wait in line with the other losers for them to decide to give you your food. You knew that was a bad omen.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:29 PM (weya0)

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I may be the only person alive who misses the days of the heat lamp, when they had burgers ready to go, and they'd just go grab 'em off the rack when you ordered.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (8g9zh)

114 110 since it's the ONT and we didn't get a movie thread yesterday - just watched Hotel Mumbai on dvd today - really good
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (dm05u)


If you write like that you're hired.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (aA3+G)

115 For whatever reason, I had surmised that Gilmour was one of the more sane and sensible members of Pink Floyd. Alas, I was sadly mistaken.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (EgshT)

116 108 How do you make a link be a tiny url?
Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (htgmn)

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STEP 1: Upgrade your HQ membership level to Bakelite or higher.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (9SkN+)

117 I picked a Jennifer Anniston movie this evening on Netflix.

She always plays the same role, but she's cute as a button.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:33 PM (htgmn)

118 108 How do you make a link be a tiny url?
Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (htgmn)

Go to tinyurl.com, enter the long url into the box. Hit the button.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 23, 2019 10:33 PM (LMcFk)

119 Aniston did branch out for Horrible Bosses

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:33 PM (ykYG2)

120 How do you make a link be a tiny url?
Posted by: ALH


You should find the instructions carved on the inside of the Barrel. You may have to wipe away some mold, though.

Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2019 10:34 PM (C78No)

121 and America, thanks to fracking, has become independent of that. Patrick J. Buchanan

It's not about whether America is independent of middle east oil, it's about the world and the money and political influence that the oil buys for its handlers. The arabs and persians have only ever used that money to do one thing - attack the world and try and spread islam everywhere. THey have done nothing but waste trillions in money they didn't deserve (since they only got the money because they stole the oil fields that others had found and built) and caused the world trillions more trying to stave off their threats and fix the shit they blew up so joyfully.

Sheesh. This ain't friggin rocket surgery. Anyone who knows even the tiniest bit of the history of the arabs would know that they couldn't be allowed much power or they would lay waste to everything they could - which is what they do. It's what they've always done.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:34 PM (weya0)

122 and Hotel Mumbai was the bee's knees, the dog's bollocks.

means it wuz good.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:34 PM (ykYG2)

123 How do you make a link be a tiny url?
Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (htgmn)


Just leave out the words that aren't important.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:35 PM (t+qrx)

124 McDonald's coffee is pretty good.

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 10:30 PM (htgmn)


It used to be much better when they just made good, fresh coffee and not all this fru-fru latte/mocha/espresso/choco crap.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:35 PM (weya0)

125 "Our 2019 focus is on operational execution in our restaurants and
optimizing the experience for our customers," McDonald's CEO Steve
Easterbrook"

FFS, isn't this word salad supposed to be the mission of all business?

Posted by: davidt at June 23, 2019 10:35 PM (geIq4)

126
Just leave out the words that aren't important.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:35 PM (t+qrx)

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Same principle as junk DNA

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:35 PM (9SkN+)

127 61 'The global climate crisis is the greatest challenge that humanity will ever face, and we are within a few years of the effects of global warming being irreversible," tweeted Gilmour.


We all drink the same water, wtf is it?
Posted by: Billy Cole


Their parents never read them the story about Chicken Little.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 23, 2019 10:35 PM (+lVUW)

128 And it's always a plus when their shake machine is working.

Which is every fifth Tuesday.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 10:35 PM (EgshT)

129 I'm getting a woody, just thinking about a war with Iran!

Posted by: Max Boot at June 23, 2019 10:36 PM (I2/tG)

130 As noted earlier, given the credibility/profile of the allegation, McAleenan will need a public refutation of the leak charge, with presidential vote of confidence, or needs to go.


Either way, at this point, the whole deferral of the ICE op looks like a debacle. Making normal, long-overdue and long abandoned normal internal enforcement a bargaining chip - for rule changes that can be circumvented by other, existing authorities to boot - is hard to see as other than idiotic.


And as noted earlier also, ignoring that the GOP is an equal obstacle to the Dems in [thus far, effectively] gutting Trump's key migration/border agenda will keep producing results like this - and like the related border $ supplemental that is likely to be CR, Take 3 - yet another debacle that continues the *worsening* of the situation.


Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 10:36 PM (QDnY+)

131 And it's always a plus when their shake machine is working.

Which is every fifth Tuesday.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 10:35 PM (EgshT)


On leap years.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 23, 2019 10:36 PM (aS1PU)

132 85
Has anyone ever actually seen a live specimen of the animal they get McRibs from?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (9SkN+)

Yes, but the experience scarred me for life.

Posted by: joncelli tries Windows 10 at June 23, 2019 10:36 PM (1FhAQ)

133 Greetings fappers and fappees.

I'm thanking me lucky charms that Tuscaloosa Man is not a cousin of mine. (Everyone in Alabama is related to each other because inbreeding. My family tree looks like a telephone pole.)

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 10:36 PM (HaL55)

134 Tried McDonald's "premium" coffee based drinks. Basically it's coffee in a blender with ice and a bucket of corn syrup. If you like diabetes, you'll love the McCafe.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:37 PM (ykYG2)

135 i look forward to the blowing up of the planet. it's time. moar, faster, what the hell is worth saving? i wouldn't claim this shithole full of phucktards. smoke that,floyd boy.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 10:37 PM (KP5rU)

136 Went through the TSA thing recently and as I was walking out was grabbed by the arm. The fellow said, 'you forgot this'. "Thank you"

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 10:37 PM (CFSlN)

137 I may be the only person alive who misses the days of the heat lamp, when they had burgers ready to go, and they'd just go grab 'em off the rack when you ordered.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (8g9zh)


Bingo!

That was fast food. And good.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:37 PM (weya0)

138
For whatever reason, I had surmised that Gilmour was one of the more sane and sensible members of Pink Floyd. Alas, I was sadly mistaken.
Posted by: Notorious BFD


Syd Barrett was the sane one.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 10:37 PM (aKsyK)

139 Violating a Minneapolis cop's privacy . . .

But she was cute!

Posted by: Minneapolis Cops at June 23, 2019 10:37 PM (I2/tG)

140 125 "Our 2019 focus is on operational execution in our restaurants and optimizing the experience for our customers,"
McDonald's CEO Steve Easterbrook"

FFS, isn't this word salad supposed to be the mission of all business?
Posted by: davidt at June 23, 2019 10:35 PM


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Not necessarily.

Posted by: The Dept of Motor Vehicles at June 23, 2019 10:38 PM (9SkN+)

141 ''For whatever reason, I had surmised that Gilmour was one of the more sane and sensible members of Pink Floyd. Alas, I was sadly mistaken. ''

You what they say about a fool and his money..

That's right..easily parted.

Posted by: Tuna at June 23, 2019 10:38 PM (jm1YL)

142 I'm getting a woody, just thinking about a war with Iran!

Me too!

Posted by: Bill "Cuck" Kristol! at June 23, 2019 10:38 PM (I2/tG)

143 Sunday Swimwear ONT Compliance Pics

https://tinyurl.com/y4oemgsd

https://tinyurl.com/y3vkaor6

https://tinyurl.com/yyydlh7t

https://tinyurl.com/y4l8ttka

https://tinyurl.com/yyjq6onm

Posted by: kbdabear at June 23, 2019 10:39 PM (0Ntuf)

144
We may be insane, but we're trying to have Max as a house dog. He's a sweet boy to us but a jerk toward the other dogs; even though they're both neutered, Max and Peanut hate each other and regularly snarl at each other through the fence between their pens.

But so far he's settled in the house pretty well and has been treating Carmen and Honey respectfully. We're hoping the two inform him about house decorum so he can realize he's hit the jackpot.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 10:39 PM (Wx/+I)

145 We're (Americans and Brits) already at war with Iran. They can't invade us and we don't want to invade them.

I'm fine with messing up their game and providing whatever help sane Iranians need.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:39 PM (ykYG2)

146 >>
That was fast food. And good.

It ain't fast food unless you have to wash your hands afterwards.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at June 23, 2019 10:39 PM (F8YM0)

147 flounder, sounds like a great airshow. The "legacy" or "heritage" flights of contemporary/WWII fighters are always great, and educational [just the size difference alone]. Have long thought they should pair up a B-25 with an F-15, to show how a "medium" bomber of WWII was compared to a "fighter" of today.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 10:40 PM (QDnY+)

148 The worst part about McDonald's is the 10 minutes it takes for the purple-haired kid at the register to count your change back.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 10:40 PM (EgshT)

149 You can get a good McRub at Starbucks.

Posted by: Frito at June 23, 2019 10:41 PM (geIq4)

150 i have made my feelings about all things floyd about as clear as i can. pretentious, limey, phucks.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 10:41 PM (KP5rU)

151 More Sunday Swimwear ONT Compliance Pics

https://tinyurl.com/yydwb2r3

https://tinyurl.com/yychjfaf

https://tinyurl.com/y45gprko

https://tinyurl.com/y343g22r

https://tinyurl.com/y2ayf3j7

Posted by: kbdabear at June 23, 2019 10:41 PM (0Ntuf)

152 The SF vaping ban will give the youths more money to spend on marijuana AND create a black market for vaping products. Not to mention a bureaucracy to fight the War on Vaping. Win-win.

Posted by: Ripley at June 23, 2019 10:41 PM (NbRJx)

153
Best counter service: CFA

Worst counter service: KFC

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 10:41 PM (Wx/+I)

154 Posted by: Reggie at June 23, 2019 10:31 PM (LMcFk)
111 Off, dirty sock.
Posted by: Average Guy at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (LMcFk)

*Pink* sock, nu?

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:41 PM (ykYG2)

155 103 OK, we're back to normal. Yeah, I have nothing poignant to say.

Oh, wait -- Guns N' Roses are underrated.
Posted by: FireHorse



Appetite for Destruction was a GREAT album. Not a weak point on it. They had about a 5, may 8 years, were they were fantastic. Then, poof, gone. Rock N Roll is a harsh mistress.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 23, 2019 10:41 PM (9kF3K)

156 148 The worst part about McDonald's is the 10 minutes it takes for the purple-haired kid at the register to count your change back.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 10:40 PM (EgshT


One of the reasons for Quote I

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:42 PM (aA3+G)

157 Posted by: kbdabear at June 23, 2019 10:39 PM (0Ntuf)

Thank you!

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at June 23, 2019 10:42 PM (f9A2A)

158 I actually like McDonald's food okay, but I hate how they've redone their restaurants. Until a few years ago, most of the individual locations had some unique character to them; now they all look like cookie-cutter internet cafes. Who wants to eat in a place like that?

Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2019 10:42 PM (Vgw1E)

159 At Starbucks in our generation, it's the McNeedle.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:42 PM (ykYG2)

160 150 i have made my feelings about all things floyd about as clear as i can. pretentious, limey, phucks.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 10:41 PM (KP5rU

Thanks for telling us.
I'm so sick and tired of reading between the lines with you

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:43 PM (aA3+G)

161 We are lawyers and environmental experts who are fighting against climate change...

Aha. So, $21 million will go to themselves. Nice racket.

Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2019 10:43 PM (NpvYf)

162 84 Blown on a Sunday Night...

..



Hell yas!

Posted by: Butt-gig at June 23, 2019 10:43 PM (MAstk)

163 Posted by: Minneapolis Cops at June 23, 2019 10:37 PM (I2/tG)

How many of you are Somalis?

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 23, 2019 10:43 PM (pPNCa)

164 Puddleglum, the Use Your Illusions albums were good, especially the second one. Some songs were a little bloated.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:44 PM (ykYG2)

165 I may be the only person alive who misses the days of the heat lamp, when they had burgers ready to go, and they'd just go grab 'em off the rack when you ordered.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (8g9zh)

Bingo!

That was fast food. And good.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:37 PM (weya0)

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Don't see why they moved away from that. It's not like they're making the burgers when you order them. They're just assembling them.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 10:45 PM (8g9zh)

166 155; heroin can really fuck up reality. harsh, chinese mistress. the dragon will win.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 10:45 PM (KP5rU)

167 We are lawyers and environmental experts who are fighting against climate change...

What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 10:45 PM (EgshT)

168 In my misanthropic world Mr. McAleenan, would be facing harsh consequences if the accusations are true.

"Aiding and abetting an invading enemy" would be my charge. Treason. Which it clearly is.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:45 PM (weya0)

169 bth, well stated. The Buchanan quote and things like it are really distortion plutonium - almost every premise is distorted, or outlandishly false and out of context.


No plausible scenario has ever involved prolonged American involvement, or any ground involvement. That's kind of the point: "containment" with a wink-wink because regime change in Tehran is obviously the only solution-like outcome. But we won't be doing the internal heavy lifting on that.


Meanwhile, the current sanctions effort [which had its origins back in Bush days] is probably uniquely effective in the history of such things. Iran is a very poor candidate to be coerced thru sanctions and isolation, due to size, resources, geography, history, etc., yet it's looking like they are trapped and weakened and likely to be defeated.



Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 10:45 PM (QDnY+)

170 Hey everybody.

Was listening to Boz Skaggs' Silk Degrees album earlier today. One of the songs on it is called "Georgia," in which (from jail) Boz pledges his undying love to his woman and begs for her to call him.

Little does Boz know, while he's stuck in the joint, Georgia's been humping Florida Man.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 10:46 PM (miE9U)

171 115 For whatever reason, I had surmised that Gilmour was one of the more sane and sensible members of Pink Floyd. Alas, I was sadly mistaken.
Posted by: Notorious BFD



Compared to Roger Waters, he is by a long shot. Neither Richard Wright (now deceased) and Nick Mason are all that outspoken so I have no idea about them.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 23, 2019 10:46 PM (9kF3K)

172 I've been a member of Ravelry since the it started although have not visited as much since that damn pussy hat craze started after PDT was elected. I deleted my membership tonight. What fools they are. Before I deleted I got a message that said if I did so there was no going back, that it was permanent. LOL. That's the point you idiots.

Posted by: Tuna at June 23, 2019 10:46 PM (jm1YL)

173
We are lawyers and environmental experts who are fighting against climate change...

Set an example. Kill yourselves.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 10:46 PM (Wx/+I)

174 Well gotta get up early so gonna say goodnight to you fine folks. Stay safe.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:46 PM (dUJdY)

175 If you write like that you're hired.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (aA3+G)

Do I get dental?

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:47 PM (dm05u)

176 I imagine it was already discussed here while I was on vacation, but did anyone hear about Jabba the Hutt Nadler recently calling Hope Hicks "Ms Lewandowski" during her testimony?

I guess he thought calling her "Ms Hitler" would be too on the nose. This stinking whale carcass can't be harpooned fast enough.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 10:47 PM (miE9U)

177 Stay safe.
Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 10:46 PM (dUJdY)


Too late!!!

Posted by: Climate Change at June 23, 2019 10:47 PM (MAstk)

178 What could possibly go wrong?

And to ensure they remain a non-profit, ALL of it goes to themselves.

Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2019 10:48 PM (NpvYf)

179 160: chavez, thinking about new approach to commenting, and warm, friendly, snowflake, feel good bullshit. might take some time.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 10:49 PM (KP5rU)

180 Ther's a blimp in my pants.

Posted by: Jerry "Comedy Gold" Nadless at June 23, 2019 10:49 PM (EgshT)

181

A guitar heard on iconic Pink Floyd albums sold for a record $3.975 million at auction Thursday, and Jim Irsay is the instrument's new owner.

The Indianapolis Colts owner picked up three items at the David Gilmour Guitar Collection auction at Christie's New York salesroom:

A 1969 black Fender Stratocaster known as "The Black Strat" for $3.975 million.
A 1969 Martin D-35 acoustic guitar for $1.095 million.
The travel case used for "The Black Strat" for $175,000.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 10:49 PM (aKsyK)

182 "We spent the '90s battling Big Tobacco. And now we see its new form through e-cigarettes," Walton said.

LOL.

They never gave a shit about "carcinogens" in tobacco smoke. They just hated cigarette smokers. So they bullshit-banned cigarettes on the laughable "dangerous workplace" crap (as if people don't work in coal mines and other places that are actually dangerous) and now they are banning e-cigs just ... because.

I cannot even begin to express how much I loathe and detest and abhor and hate these lowlife motherfuckers ... They should fall into tiny sinkholes, get stuck and starve to death over three weeks as little critter eat their faces off ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:49 PM (weya0)

183 Evening all.

I'm strutting around all AoS confident now that I've shut off my automatic iPhone punctuation and learned how to make italics.

I'm especially fond of the italicized period that ends this sentence.

Posted by: Halfwise at June 23, 2019 10:50 PM (kLxSO)

184 Hey, I'm fighting climate change here by turning off my lights off when I'm not using them. If only I had set up an NGO.

Posted by: Ripley at June 23, 2019 10:50 PM (NbRJx)

185
For whatever reason, I had surmised that Gilmour was one of the more
sane and sensible members of Pink Floyd. Alas, I was sadly mistaken.


In their defense, they did a lot of drugs. Apparently, it was the cheap/bad shit if Gilmour thinks Globular Warmening is really real.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 10:50 PM (HaL55)

186 Primordial, but you're not bitter right? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 10:50 PM (miE9U)

187 175 If you write like that you're hired.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:32 PM (aA3+G)

Do I get dental?
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:47 PM (dm05u)


Perhaps if we unionize.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 10:51 PM (aA3+G)

188 I might sign up to Ravelry just to post a "GOD EMPEROR DJT" Warhammer-themed crochet and flame out.
Wish I had the talent though.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 10:51 PM (ykYG2)

189 Have long thought they should pair up a B-25 with an F-15, to show how a "medium" bomber of WWII was compared to a "fighter" of today.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 10:40 PM (QDnY+)


I remember reading a book at the library in 7th grade that mentioned the ordnance capacity of the F-4 at xyz (9 tons, but I had to look it up just now). Later that night, I happened to be reading another that listed the maximum bomb load of the B-24: 8,000 pounds. I was sure one or the other was in error. How does a heavy bomber, with four engines and a crew of ten or so, carry less than half the bomb load of a fighter?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:51 PM (t+qrx)

190 I was pulled out of line for "secondary screening,"

So, a journalist learns that mouthing off to Customs and Border Patrol does not lead to good outcomes.

He should try that with Russian passport control, and see what happens. (Or Canadian passport control, for that matter.)

Seth Harp, the guy whining about this, has a JD from NYU, and a masters from the Columbia School of Journalism, so obviously these CBP peasants had no business questioning him.

I recall a few years ago, a guy published a screed denouncing CBP for questioning him when coming back from Turkey. After all, He Had A Degree From Harvard, so obviously he had a right to enter the United States without questioning.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 23, 2019 10:52 PM (I2/tG)

191 Of course, I knew these were the guys putting kids in cages, separating refugee children from their parents, and that Trump's whole shtick is vilifying immigrants, leading to many sad and ugly scenes at the border, including the farcical deployment of U.S. troops.

LOL.

They should have refused this scumbag entry.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:52 PM (weya0)

192 I'm fighting climate change here by turning off my lights off when I'm not using them. If only I had set up an NGO.

*senses business opportunity*

Posted by: North Korea at June 23, 2019 10:52 PM (CE5C/)

193 It isn't only the U.S.A. that has an alarming veteran suicide rate, so does Australia .Veteran suicides poor service delivery or poor training?


Read sometime ago about the navy ships coming straight home with no port layovers (please excuse incorrect terminology) caused sailors problems readjusting to home. As I understand it the navy restarted the port/ports of call on they way home system.

Our people out there in that crap need time to decompress. There should be some kind of happy half-way system* helping them to do that.



*A country club setting where all the tennis and golf coaches are trained listeners who have been where they have been?

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 10:53 PM (CFSlN)

194 oh does "Latinx" rhyme with larynx?

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:53 PM (dm05u)

195 ''I might sign up to Ravelry just to post a "GOD EMPEROR DJT"

I think they closed their registration. Scaredy-cats.

Posted by: Tuna at June 23, 2019 10:53 PM (jm1YL)

196 But she was cute!

Posted by: Minneapolis Cops
________

I get it. You wanted to ask her out on a date, but there's a rule about cops fraternizing with convicted felons, so you have to check. And the dozens of other cops had to check, too. I get what cops put up with, go through and deal with. They're just trying to keep society safe. That's why when a cop pulls someone over for a burned out license plate light bulb they keep one hand on their hip, which is not on their gun but close enough, just in case, because you never know. I mean, there's a reason a driver doesn't want his license plate illuminated. Connect the dots. You never abuse your authority. But always be vigilant, because license-plate-light-bulb guy might be trying to take the whole of civilization down, and you're the guy to stop that from happening. Life and death! So keep checking on that cute girl who works in that other municipal department, because it's frickin Ragnarok if you don't. Thin Blue Line, man.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 10:53 PM (ta49A)

197 Don't know if anyone has mentioned this already (I think some other Moronettes knit as well?) but Ravelry is at it again: https://bit.ly/2YeKzXS

It's not the first time they've been asspained over anyone daring to express different opinions, (we're talking about boilerplate SJWs here) but this time they seem especially determined to reinforce the crazy cat lady knitter stereotype.

Posted by: Saber Alter at June 23, 2019 10:55 PM (Yd+10)

198 Evening all.

I had to fill in as shift leader tonight as my coworker friend called in sick. Boy will I be glad when this might is over.

Annoying people, now there's a thunderstorm blowing through and the power is out. Vacation starts tomorrow whereupon I'll disappear into the Texas interior for a week. Can't wait.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 23, 2019 10:55 PM (DXMX0)

199 >>
Recently watched "The Founder" about Ray Krok. Pretty good. His philosophy, and it worked, was to make each McDonald's almost identical.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at June 23, 2019 10:55 PM (F8YM0)

200 And that's what I get for skimming. Damn, and just when I found a goldmine to mock and wanted to be the one to share it. Oh well.

Posted by: Saber Alter at June 23, 2019 10:56 PM (Yd+10)

201 That was a really neat story about the young Frenchman tracking down the WWII vet's family. Thank you for finding that and posting it, Misanthropic Humanitarian.

Posted by: JPS at June 23, 2019 10:56 PM (UgdG5)

202 I remember reading years ago that Gilmour was a Tory. I guess not.
The thing to remember with most rock stars is that they don't research and study these issues. They are usually making music or spending their money. No. they get lobbied by activists and just start spouting nonsense and donating money to get them off their back.....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 23, 2019 10:56 PM (o1fzk)

203 >>A guitar heard on iconic Pink Floyd albums sold for a record $3.975 million at auction Thursday, and Jim Irsay is the instrument's new owner.

The Indianapolis Colts owner picked up three items at the David Gilmour Guitar Collection auction at Christie's New York salesroom:

A 1969 black Fender Stratocaster known as "The Black Strat" for $3.975 million.
A 1969 Martin D-35 acoustic guitar for $1.095 million.
The travel case used for "The Black Strat" for $175,000.



It's bullshit. At least as far as records go...

It was a Charity Auction. A chance for a billionaire to flop his dick around in public with little consequence for anyone but the middle man.

Besides all of that, it's a meaningless guitar. A bastardized 69 Strat. Not exactly a rare instrument and certainly not the first one you think of when you think of a Strat.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 10:56 PM (M1n0C)

204 Buchanan ain't no saint, but he's right about Iran

Posted by: JoeF. at June 23, 2019 10:57 PM (o1fzk)

205 Recently watched "The Founder" about Ray Krok. Pretty good. His philosophy, and it worked, was to make each McDonald's almost identical.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at June 23, 2019 10:55 PM (F8YM0)


The big point from the movie's tale, at least, was that Kroc didn't make any money franchising restaurants. The movie said that he made all his money because some guy smarter than him advised him to buy up real estate and lease it back to franchisees.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 10:57 PM (weya0)

206 I actually like McDonald's food okay, but I hate how they've redone their restaurants. Until a few years ago, most of the individual locations had some unique character to them; now they all look like cookie-cutter internet cafes. Who wants to eat in a place like that?
Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2019 10:42 PM (Vgw1E)

In Chicago in the 80's there were a couple of McD's... one was cowboy movie themed, the other was Beatles themed... With actual, valuable memorabilia. Wonder if they're still there?

Posted by: Average Guy at June 23, 2019 10:57 PM (LMcFk)

207 "Our 2019 focus is on operational execution in our restaurants and optimizing the experience for our customers,"

About that first part, they pretty much killed it dead.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 10:58 PM (HaL55)

208 So, a journalist learns that mouthing off to Customs and Border Patrol does not lead to good outcomes.

Also, what idiot travels abroad with a laptop and cell phone that hasn't been sanitized? I assume that when I travel abroad that everything I have on me is subject to search - I'm not going to carry anything electronic that has materials on it that I don't want some government official to see.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 23, 2019 10:59 PM (I2/tG)

209 They are no longer dingy places with employees half-assing it, that I see. (PHL airport McD's proving that there are exceptions)
Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2019 10:21 PM (DCYln)

That doesn't eliminate the concern of employees spitting in your food in urban areas.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 23, 2019 10:59 PM (DXMX0)

210 206 I doubt it, they even closed and demolished the museum in Des Plaines.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 10:59 PM (a4qVe)

211 garrett it means a lot to a fan.

I don't have to agree with Gilmour to enjoy his music.

and enjoy it, I do.

Posted by: booknlass at June 23, 2019 10:59 PM (xIKXj)

212 Buchanan ain't no saint, but he's right about Iran

Posted by: JoeF. at June 23, 2019 10:57 PM (o1fzk)


Not at all. Buchanan's no fool - I agreed with him on the whole "fair trade" stance - but he has a thing about the middle east and he's completely off base when it comes to our interests there.

The guy thinks that oil's no big deal. What world has he been living in?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 11:00 PM (weya0)

213 Besides all of that, it's a meaningless guitar. A bastardized 69 Strat.
Not exactly a rare instrument and certainly not the first one you think
of when you think of a Strat.


The first black Strat I think of is Eric Clapton's "Blackie."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 11:00 PM (HaL55)

214 @197

MisHum linked a story about above. Check it out. One of the funnier responses was an indignant Afro-Amer. member pissed off about the site mixing politics with knitting and crocheting. So it's not just us white deplorable who are leaving the site.

Posted by: Tuna at June 23, 2019 11:00 PM (jm1YL)

215 Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 10:56 PM (M1n0C)


Your old man back safe and sound or did you use him to make a reef?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 11:01 PM (aA3+G)

216 Good (if kind of enraging) read:

https://tinyurl.com/y2lqm4vf

Morbidology: the town that got away with murder - Ken Rex McElroy

McElroy sounds like a great symbol for the deep state...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:01 PM (miE9U)

217 I watched a silly, dated movie this afternoon on TCM called Don't Make Waves, from 1967. Claudia Cardinale and her tits--which were threatening to pop out at any moment--starred with Tony Curtis. Here's the thing--Cardinale looked like chopped liver because Sharon Tate was also in it.
What a Goddess.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 23, 2019 11:02 PM (o1fzk)

218
I remember reading years ago that Gilmour was a Tory. I guess not.
The
thing to remember with most rock stars is that they don't research and
study these issues. They are usually making music or spending their
money. No. they get lobbied by activists and just start spouting
nonsense and donating money to get them off their back.....


Cat juggling.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 11:02 PM (HaL55)

219 >>The first black Strat I think of is Eric Clapton's "Blackie."


Yep. Then maybe Richie Blackmore's Black Strat...

Lotta Strats before the Gilmour in the pantheon.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 11:02 PM (M1n0C)

220 The wife and I only go to fast food restaurants every three or four months. Here the service is good and polite. Restrooms are clean. Very odd, I don't trust them.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at June 23, 2019 11:02 PM (f9A2A)

221 We are lawyers and environmental experts ...
---------

Anyone who has been involved in liability litigation (if they are honest) will tell you that it is possible to hire an 'expert' to 'prove' anything.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 11:02 PM (U2TY5)

222 I love that last meme. Seems appropriate as in a week and a half I'm going over the hill.

Posted by: BigZesty at June 23, 2019 11:02 PM (DK0/s)

223 Frasier Crane, "The Founder" is a great flick.
Ray Kroc was an interesting guy, too.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:02 PM (miE9U)

224 and some of us have enough bank to tell the SJWs to fuck right off.

Posted by: steven patrick morrissey at June 23, 2019 11:02 PM (ykYG2)

225 I'd buy Gilmour's black strat just to soak it in old motor oil and light it on fire to watch the dark, black smoke waft away from it.

My contribution to Global Warming, with an assist from David Gilmour.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 11:03 PM (weya0)

226 Dad is safe and sound. Little sore for a day or two from all the casting and netting.

I was actually pretty laid back. He's getting too old to really give a lot of shit to.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 11:03 PM (M1n0C)

227 I got an email from O'Keefe from Project Veritas this weekend.

another insider whistleblower is coming forward about another of the totalitarian monster companies tomorrow.

Posted by: booknlass at June 23, 2019 11:03 PM (xIKXj)

228 I love that last meme. Seems appropriate as in a week and a half I'm going over the hill.

Posted by: BigZesty
________

The big Three-O? Let us know what it's like.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 11:04 PM (ta49A)

229 Subway may not be the best but you can watch them make your food. That's a big plus.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:04 PM (2DOZq)

230 I've read that Bryan Ferry, of Roxy Music, is an actual Tory.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:04 PM (miE9U)

231 212, Buchanan has a problem with Jews/Israel--let's not sugarcoat it. But how much of that animus derives from his opposition to the neo-con worldview?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (o1fzk)

232 Mick-D, like every other fast-food outlet, periodically turns over the 'look and feel' of their stores, some sooner, some later. When it comes to franchisees sometimes they are in front of the herd, and sometimes arms have to be twisted. Same comes to staff. Our local McD is nothing special, but between location and service and adequate food it's kinda the go-to for drive-thru breakfast.

Posted by: JEM at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (8erNz)

233 Lost in translation:

https://tinyurl.com/y4fwemdl

Posted by: SMH at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (RU4sa)

234 109 If McDonald's wants to optimize their operation execution they need to get rid of the double drive through. The drop out meth heads they hire ain't smart enough to handle it.
Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits


Sadly, the ones in my area don't appear to be meth heads, just dumb. I went through a period of time where I would pick up a McD's salad to take home. Over half the times I would get home and they would have given me the wrong salad or the wrong dressing. Two items!

The reason I am against increasing the minimum wage, some people aren't worth $10 per hour, much less $15.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (+lVUW)

235 Jersey mikes is a waaaaay better sammich AND you can watch them cut the meat and make your sammich!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (a4qVe)

236 I gather that the fast food places can no longer find anyone that can be counted on to show up for work.

Around here, the nominal employee has multi-hued hair and tats.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 11:06 PM (U2TY5)

237 At my local McD's the service has always been good, but the employees can be colorful.

At one time a few years ago they had a drive-through guy who liked to wear makeup and fake eyelashes, and had painted fingernails.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:07 PM (miE9U)

238 One of the guys from Iron Maiden is a Tory. So is Kenny Jones of The Faces/The Who. I don't think Roger Daltrey is a Tory per se, but he has Nationalistic tendencies.....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 23, 2019 11:07 PM (o1fzk)

239 230 I've read that Bryan Ferry, of Roxy Music, is an actual Tory.

If you assume the political views of rock musicians skew, oh, 20% left of everyone else (that might be extreme), that still means that 20% or more are going to be somewhat right.

Especially if (a) they own property (b) they have kids.

Posted by: JEM at June 23, 2019 11:07 PM (8erNz)

240 I got an email from O'Keefe from Project Veritas this weekend.

another insider whistleblower is coming forward about another of the totalitarian monster companies tomorrow.
Posted by: booknlass at June 23, 2019 11:03 PM (xIKXj)


Project Veritas is outstanding in what it does. It's too bad that mainstream journalists can't feel shame,

Posted by: Halfwise at June 23, 2019 11:08 PM (kLxSO)

241 My local* Taco Bell is advertising $12.75 as a starting wage.


* -- Perennially depressed area where $12.75 is beyond good pay.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 11:08 PM (ta49A)

242 217 I watched a silly, dated movie this afternoon on TCM called Don't Make Waves, from 1967. Claudia Cardinale and her tits--which were threatening to pop out at any moment--starred with Tony Curtis. Here's the thing--Cardinale looked like chopped liver because Sharon Tate was also in it.
What a Goddess.
Posted by: JoeF.



Sharon Tate was a beauty. I was watching some goofy vampire flick from the late 60s (The Fearless Vampire Hunters). It was dumb. Apparently it was suppose to be. I fell in love with the lead actress. Had no idea who it was so I looked up the movie and found out it was Sharon Tate. Then I was sad. She really was a beauty. Manson and his "family" should have been fitted with cement shoes and dropped off into the Pacific.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 23, 2019 11:09 PM (9kF3K)

243 235 Jersey mikes is a waaaaay better sammich AND you can watch them cut the meat and make your sammich!
Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (a4qVe)

If you can find one close to you. 1,500 locations compared to 27,000.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:09 PM (2DOZq)

244

https://tinyurl.com/y65rmgrz


By RYAN SAAVEDRA
@REALSAAVEDRA


Newly discovered official documents released on Sunday suggest that Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) lived with her current husband Ahmed Abdisalan Hirsi during the entire time that she was legally married to Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, the man that critics allege is her brother..........


....The Star Tribune added:

The Star Tribune has sought to authenticate some of the most egregious allegations, using public records and available social media posts, which make up the bulk of the case against her.

Some of the original social media accounts linking Elmi to Omar after their split in 2011 appear to have been removed, and documents verifying the family relationships of refugees from war-torn countries with limited government record-keeping are notoriously hard to obtain, even by U.S. immigration authorities.

Omar declined to make her tax and immigration records available for this report.....



Omar still has not reconciled this with her IRS tax forms from those years.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 11:09 PM (sy5kK)

245 That McAleenan asshole should've been fired a long time ago for insubordination.

"You're fired" is something we need to be hearing a bit more from the fellow who made that phrase famous.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 11:10 PM (HaL55)

246 Puddleglum, yup.

Vincent Bugliosi turned out batshit insane late in his life, but thank God he was there to mete out justice to Manson & Co.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:10 PM (miE9U)

247 I've had a Ravelry account for several years; a few forums but mainly to look through their patterns. The first page has gotten more and more "girls club" but the last couple of years it really got SJW. Not that hard to scroll by but this is too much, and I would feel the same way if it was Obama or Clinton, actually, particularly since it was limited to "support" implying that slander was perfectly all right--and not a ban on political discussion for any side.

Posted by: Lirio100 at June 23, 2019 11:11 PM (JK7Jw)

248 Jersey mikes is a waaaaay better sammich AND you can watch them cut the meat and make your sammich!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (a4qVe)


This is true. A Jersey Mike's #13 "Mike's Way" is simply the best.

Posted by: HTL at June 23, 2019 11:11 PM (SCT6T)

249 Re sandwiches, I'm a big Togo's fan.
They're a bit behind the times, they don't have everything that a lot of other sub places do (like pepperoni to put on your sandwich), but what they do have is pretty dang good.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:11 PM (miE9U)

250 Vincent Bugliosi turned out batshit insane late in his life, but thank God he was there to mete out justice to Manson & Co.

Posted by: qdpsteve
________

I'm sure the one caused the other.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 11:11 PM (ta49A)

251 BLESS THIS HOME
AND DONALD TRUMP
2020 LOL GET FUCKED

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 23, 2019 11:12 PM (LxTcq)

252 "They're even forbidding speech on knitting sites."


You know, it's pretty easy to just have a "No Politics" rule.
A RPG board I have been on has had one for ~2 decades. They have a single forum where you can talk politics, and everywhere else it's disallowed. (Posts/threads deleted, account put in timeout, sort of disallowed.) I put in my profile that I would never enter the PIT (that was its name) because I liked too many people on the board and didn't want to find out that some of them were flaming idiots and abject morons. And, since my politics never came out on the board, *everyone* laughed at it.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2019 11:12 PM (tw+qj)

253 If you assume the political views of rock musicians skew, oh, 20% left of everyone else (that might be extreme), that still means that 20% or more are going to be somewhat right.

Especially if (a) they own property (b) they have kids.


And of course I have to post this...

https://youtu.be/KGrdWwYE77c

Posted by: JEM at June 23, 2019 11:12 PM (8erNz)

254 That McAleenan asshole should've been fired a long time ago for insubordination.

He disclosed operational details of a law enforcement operation.

Prosecute him.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 23, 2019 11:12 PM (I2/tG)

255 I think many of the rock stars who don't grandstand or make political noise are conservative--they just don't want to make waves.
I remember when Dave Mustaine said something about supporting Romney in 2012, comments on the Rolling Stone website were all about burning his records and saying that his music sucked anyway.
And this for saying kind words about Milquetoast Mitt.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 23, 2019 11:12 PM (o1fzk)

256 halfwise, I'm a fan and supporter of Project Veritas. wish I had the money Gilmour does, I'd send some to them, to Judicial Watch and AOSHQ, intellectual froglegs, more to We Build the Wall, and maybe buy some Breitbart stuff too

Posted by: booknlass at June 23, 2019 11:14 PM (xIKXj)

257 231 212, Buchanan has a problem with Jews/Israel--let's not sugarcoat it. But how much of that animus derives from his opposition to the neo-con worldview?
Posted by: JoeF. at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (o1fzk)

He's the opposite of a neo-con. He didn't think we should have gotten involved in Europe in WW2.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:14 PM (2DOZq)

258 * -- Perennially depressed area where $12.75 is beyond good pay.

Here in the Bay Area you've got sandwich shop advertising $16.50 and next day the burrito place next door puts up an $18 banner.

I need to find myself a job, just to do it. I'm bored.

Posted by: JEM at June 23, 2019 11:14 PM (8erNz)

259 That "journalist" seems to have TDS. Good to see they gave him the gears.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 11:14 PM (WG6O9)

260 "Arrested with fake erect penis, gun and hair conditioner?"


What would be the point of a fake *flacid* penis?

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2019 11:14 PM (tw+qj)

261 Subway may not be the best but you can watch them make your food. That's a big plus.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:04 PM


I think this explains my fondness for Japanese hibachis and Mongolian barbeques...

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 23, 2019 11:14 PM (wgV7k)

262 What would be the point of a fake *flacid* penis?


Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2019 11:14 PM


Maybe it was a "Whizzinator"?

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 23, 2019 11:15 PM (wgV7k)

263 Zettai:

Japanese cook makes onion volcano, sets it on fire.

Florida Man makes funyuns volcano, sets house on fire.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:16 PM (miE9U)

264 What would be the point of a fake *flacid* penis?


A challenge?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 11:16 PM (fuK7c)

265 I think many of the rock stars who don't grandstand or make political noise are conservative--they just don't want to make waves.

Posted by: JoeF.
________

I remember a Bruce Dickinson interview where he was asked about his politics. His answer was along the lines of "I never though about it. I guess I'm a conservative."

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 11:16 PM (ta49A)

266 Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 11:03 PM (M1n0C)

Sounds like you two had fun.

I miss fishing with "the old boy"

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 11:17 PM (aA3+G)

267
Anybody seen those special gay flag label alcoholic beverage bottles for sale?

Anybody buy them some of that corn hole liquor?

Triple distilled, filtered through activated charcoal, ozonated, and flowed over celebrity rectums. A proud addition to any mantelpiece or liquor cabinet.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 23, 2019 11:17 PM (t5m5e)

268 Goodnight good people.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at June 23, 2019 11:17 PM (f9A2A)

269 OK Hordelings, gotta get up and have some blood drawn first thing in the AM. The "no cofveve" part is teh wurst, it's a fasting blood test. It's bedtime for Bonzo.

Y'all try to behave.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 11:18 PM (HaL55)

270 Winston,yes, its been 40 years since I was there. I am also going by the green hue of the lake which I had been told was a high alkaline level in the lake.
Posted by: Rex B at June 23, 2019 10:19 PM (dQDxm)

That shade of green is common for glacial-fed lakes. Rock flour in the water, I think.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 11:19 PM (WG6O9)

271 Chemo in the morning for me, goodnight all!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:19 PM (a4qVe)

272 Hello and goodnight Cheriebebe! :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:20 PM (miE9U)

273 271 Chemo in the morning for me, goodnight all!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:19 PM (a4qVe)


Hold on tight, prayers are coming.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 11:20 PM (CFSlN)

274 I need to find myself a job, just to do it. I'm bored.

Posted by: JEM
________

Do it.

My career took a drastic shift about seven years ago. I wound up on the cash register of a local supermarket making 25 cents above minimum wage. I fancied myself worth more than that but until I could get an offer for more, than that's what I was worth. So I resolved to be the best supermarket cashier in the world in the hopes that good things would happen. And good things happened.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 11:21 PM (ta49A)

275 Yikes. God Bless Cheriebebe !

Posted by: E. Stan Bull at June 23, 2019 11:21 PM (B+t5k)

276 Jersey mikes is a waaaaay better sammich AND you can watch them cut the meat and make your sammich!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (a4qVe)


At Subway I really can get a sub done the way *I* like, though. Not really true anywhere else. Well, except for the old-style v-cut in the bread they used to do. Nobody does that anymore.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2019 11:22 PM (tw+qj)

277
Picture looks like Lake Louise in Canada

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 23, 2019 11:22 PM (t5m5e)

278 Posted by: nerdygirl at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (+lVUW)

Amen

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 11:22 PM (aA3+G)

279 A challenge?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 11:16 PM (fuK7c)


OK, that one had me almost falling out of my chair.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2019 11:23 PM (tw+qj)

280 ''I've had a Ravelry account for several years; a few forums but mainly to look through their patterns. The first page has gotten more and more "girls club" but the last couple of years it really got SJW. Not that hard to scroll by but this is too much, and I would feel the same way if it was Obama or Clinton, actually, particularly since it was limited to "support" implying that slander was perfectly all right--and not a ban on political discussion for any side.''

I used it for pattern searches myself. It got pretty stupid after the election. Every other pattern was another laughable version of a pussy hat..another thing SJWs ruined. The original was kitty cat hat for little girls. Very sweet, very cute. Not anymore.

I wonder how much money will be lost in pattern sales?

Posted by: Tuna at June 23, 2019 11:23 PM (jm1YL)

281 Knock it out of the park Cherriebee.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at June 23, 2019 11:23 PM (F8YM0)

282 267: "You will enjoy being forced to accept our worldview.
"You will also enjoy being deplatformed for expressing your worldview."

Posted by: Halfwise at June 23, 2019 11:23 PM (kLxSO)

283 I will say that, when it's working right, their app certainly enhances the experience, especially when ordering for multiple people. And they make the order right 75-80% of the time!
Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 10:22 PM (8g9zh)

I refuse to use a smartphone to order food, except in the case of using it as an actual telephone.

Those "McCafes" suck donkey schlong.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 11:24 PM (WG6O9)

284 Father in heaven, I thank you for this place and the people here, and I pray that you help Cheri through her trouble.

in Jesus name, amen.

Posted by: booknlass at June 23, 2019 11:24 PM (xIKXj)

285 The Toronto Raptors give a hard no on any Whitehouse invite. NFL , NHL, MLB , NBA and PGA. That leaves only the MLS I can watch but I'm boycotting them just on general principle.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:24 PM (2DOZq)

286 cheriebebe, prayers

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 11:24 PM (dm05u)

287 I wanted to mention to everyone, since we didn't get a Movie Thread this weekend:

Local Hero is coming out this fall on Criterion blu-ray and DVD.

Posted by: qdpsteve (not a paid endorser) at June 23, 2019 11:25 PM (miE9U)

288 ''Chemo in the morning for me, goodnight all!
Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:19 PM (a4qVe''

Positive vibes coming your way!!

Posted by: Tuna at June 23, 2019 11:25 PM (jm1YL)

289 At Subway I really can get a sub done the way *I* like, though. Not really true anywhere else. Well, except for the old-style v-cut in the bread they used to do. Nobody does that anymore.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2019 11:22 PM (tw+qj)

Clearly you haven't been to a Jersey Mike's. They offer all that, with better/fresher ingredients and their sandwiches are about twice as big.
Subway is a much larger chain, however, so if that's all you've got available, they're edible. Not good, but edible.

Posted by: HTL at June 23, 2019 11:25 PM (SCT6T)

290 I wanted to mention to everyone, since we didn't get a Movie Thread this weekend:

Local Hero is coming out this fall on Criterion blu-ray and DVD.
Posted by: qdpsteve (not a paid endorser) at June 23, 2019 11:25 PM (miE9U)

I love that movie, and the soundtrack is awesome.

Posted by: Gem at June 23, 2019 11:27 PM (XoAz8)

291 Before or After December 7 1941?

Nobody wanted to get involved in WWII, because WWI was such a complete clusterfuck debacle.

I would need to know more of the context of what Mr. Pat says or said, historians and the like are sometimes not amenable to being summarized, know what I mean? Prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, meh, it may not have been realistic, but it was at least understandable.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 23, 2019 11:27 PM (Jn4GT)

292 ''Local Hero is coming out this fall on Criterion blu-ray and DVD.''

Great little move. Great score by Mark Knopfler.

Posted by: Tuna at June 23, 2019 11:27 PM (jm1YL)

293 Also wanted to mention, in October, a 4k blu-ray disc of The Shining is being released.

Posted by: qdpsteve (not a paid endorser) at June 23, 2019 11:27 PM (miE9U)

294 Has anyone ever actually seen a live specimen of the animal they get McRibs from?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 10:27 PM (9SkN+)

They have do something with the carcasses of the Naugas after they skin 'em out.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 11:27 PM (WG6O9)

295 Thank you very much for thprayers and good thoughts everyone!!
Have a good night!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:28 PM (a4qVe)

296 Gem and Tuna, yup.
Criterion's Local Hero is going straight onto my "to-buy" list at Amazon.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:28 PM (miE9U)

297 These deplatformers are self reinforcing frauds.
We are what we are they are what they are told to be.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 11:29 PM (CFSlN)

298 Cheribebe -- chemo?!

I had no idea... Godspeed!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 23, 2019 11:29 PM (wgV7k)

299 Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:24 PM (2DOZq)

You're boycotting them because it's BORING

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 11:29 PM (aA3+G)

300 Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:28 PM (a4qVe)

Prayers & best wishes

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 11:30 PM (aA3+G)

301 Buchanan has a problem with Jews/Israel--let's not sugarcoat it.

True. I don't have any problems with this from an emotional point - it's legitimate and worthy of discussion - but his rationale is lacking in these matters. I will say that he is generally consistent in not wanting to be involved anywhere.

But how much of that animus derives from his opposition to the neo-con worldview?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 23, 2019 11:05 PM (o1fzk)


Buchanan's view was set long before neo-cons even really existed (at least, in force). He was against the free trade stuff back in the late 80s and 90s and I agreed with him on that. He's been against Israel - against us allying with Israel, mostly - since I have known of him.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 23, 2019 11:31 PM (weya0)

302 The big Three-O? Let us know what it's like.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 11:04 PM (ta49A)

Exactly. I may stoop and perhaps shuffle a bit from here on out.

Posted by: BigZesty at June 23, 2019 11:31 PM (OrMuH)

303 qdpsteve, I liked Boz Skaggs and Georgia too.
Then I payed attention to the lyrics and pedophilia is on my list.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 11:31 PM (CFSlN)

304 300 Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 11:28 PM (a4qVe)

Prayers & best wishes
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 23, 2019 11:30 PM (aA3+G)


and again.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 11:31 PM (sy5kK)

305 Just finished a book that was recommended on the book thread a couple of weeks ago. the book, The White Raja, was fabulous but the last paragraph just jumped off the page.
Here it is:
Just as with children, so with people, one should give them direction, then stand aside and let them find the way. Above all other things, he wanted to make manifest the words of Lao-tzu, that the secret of good government was to let men alone.

Posted by: Sharon at June 23, 2019 11:32 PM (QzF6i)

306 another thing SJWs ruined. The original was kitty cat hat for little girls. Very sweet, very cute. Not anymore.

Melkor cannot create. Melkor can only take what Iluvatar and the loyal Valar create, and corrupt it.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 11:33 PM (ykYG2)

307 Billy Cole, well if you're gonna be so irresponsible as to actually LISTEN TO THE LYRICS than most rock/pop songs are spooky! ;-)

Also, 1976 was the year of Love's Baby Soft and Bugsy Malone...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:33 PM (miE9U)

308 Anybody seen those special gay flag label alcoholic beverage bottles for sale?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
________

You know what I like about Pride Month? The ubiquity of those six-color rainbow flags. Fine, they get red and orange and yellow and green and blue and purple, but I get pink back. I like pink. It's not good terms, but I'll take it.

Then I found out today that the LQTGB community still claims pink and their color. It's funny where some people's limits are and what pushes them past the line. With me, it turned out to be a seventh color, a tertiary tint that seemingly nobody likes.

Fkem. I need to update my wardrobe, so I think it's going to skew heavily toward pink.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 11:34 PM (ta49A)

309 Exactly. I may stoop and perhaps shuffle a bit from here on out.
Posted by: BigZesty
---

It's the drooling that's so distracting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 11:34 PM (HTHlp)

310 ''The Toronto Raptors give a hard no on any Whitehouse invite. NFL , NHL, MLB , NBA and PGA. That leaves only the MLS I can watch but I'm boycotting them just on general principle.''

You know the president just needs to say f**k it and quit inviting them to the White House. Watch what happens. They'll be insulted that they weren't invited so they could make fools of themselves turning it down. He could invite me. I wouldn't tun it down.

Posted by: Tuna at June 23, 2019 11:35 PM (jm1YL)

311 Does Jewels make those Gray Pride ribbons?
I want some.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 11:36 PM (CFSlN)

312 we should get the chans to start a meme that red is a nazi color so the red in the gay pride rainbow is nazi ish

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 11:37 PM (dm05u)

313 Posted by: Common Tater at June 23, 2019 11:27 PM (Jn4GT)

If Germany had not declared war on us. They did , so he basically said we had no choice. It was his position that after the Battle of Britain , Germany posed no threat to us.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:39 PM (2DOZq)

314 the word boycott is male gendered and therefore problatic

it should be xircott

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 11:39 PM (dm05u)

315 A 1969 black Fender Stratocaster known as "The Black Strat" for $3.975 million.
A 1969 Martin D-35 acoustic guitar for $1.095 million.
The travel case used for "The Black Strat" for $175,000.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 10:49 PM (aKsyK)

The greedy cnuts sold the travel case separate from the guitar it belonged to?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 11:40 PM (WG6O9)

316 Fkem. I need to update my wardrobe, so I think it's going to skew heavily toward pink.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 11:34 PM


I think brown is a safe colour... I can't imagine the poofs putting a brown stripe on their rag even though it most certainly belongs there!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 23, 2019 11:40 PM (wgV7k)

317 after the Battle of Britain , Germany posed no threat to us.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:39 PM (2DOZq)

He really hates the Brits.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 11:40 PM (CFSlN)

318 orange is also a bad color because it stands for orange man bad so that neefs to come off the gay rainbow

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 11:41 PM (dm05u)

319 yellow is associated with Golden Showers which means Trump Russia and also has no place on the gay rainbow

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 11:42 PM (dm05u)

320 A Gray Pride ribbon with orange trim.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 11:42 PM (CFSlN)

321 153 Best counter service: CFA
Worst counter service: KFC

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 10:41 PM


And the slowest service is a tie between Popeyes and B K.

Posted by: Lump at June 23, 2019 11:43 PM (bOdIT)

322 Our 2019 focus is on operational execution in our restaurants and
optimizing the experience for our customers. McDonald's CEO Steve
Easterbrook


I dunno. Franco's focus for a while was on operational execution . . . to be fair, that was EVERYBODY'S focus from '35-'36.

Hard to define who the customers were, though.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 11:44 PM (hSQmw)

323 And the slowest service is a tie between Popeyes and B K.
Posted by: Lump at June 23, 2019 11:43 PM (bOdIT)

at least Popeyes is worth waiting for

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 11:44 PM (dm05u)

324 Posted by: Lump at June 23, 2019 11:43 PM (bOdIT)

To be fair, if you want freshly fried chicken you're going to have to wait unless you time it right. They don't fry up a lot at a time so it doesn't just sit there.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:46 PM (2DOZq)

325 A while back a posting on a knitting site became the wahst ting evah! when a young woman mentioned how much she was looking forward to going to India.
Which was racist, colonialist, fetishising and white privilege expectations...
Because she was looking forward to exploring another culture...
The left is rocket-sledding to beyond parody...

Posted by: Captain Comic at June 23, 2019 11:47 PM (HMVgQ)

326 Subway may not be the best but you can watch them make your food. That's a big plus.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:04 PM (2DOZq)

Problem with Subway is the stank. They all smell like a tub of wet laundry.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 11:47 PM (WG6O9)

327 The local Kennedy Fried Chicken is open again... I've always been tempted to try it, but never have... Take-away only! It's a walk-up with the transactions made through its signature ballistic perspex window...

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 23, 2019 11:48 PM (wgV7k)

328 I love that movie, and the soundtrack is awesome.
Posted by: Gem at June 23, 2019 11:27 PM (XoAz

Never seen the movie... perhaps I should. But I agree on the soundtrack. Did I mention I've got tix to see Mark Knopfler in September? (Not gloating... OK, maybe a little).

Posted by: Average Guy at June 23, 2019 11:51 PM (LMcFk)

329 I hate Sundays like I used to when I was in school. People who like their jobs are very fortunate indeed.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 11:51 PM (2DOZq)

330 Oh: while I was on vacation at the casino, I learned a new rhyme:

Acey-deucey is the game of today
Acey-deucey is fun to play!
When you play acey-deucey you always win
Let's play acey-deucey again!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 23, 2019 11:51 PM (miE9U)

331 >> Sorry but you're an idiot. Plenty of good small-state conservatives in those sports. Tuna.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at June 23, 2019 11:53 PM (F8YM0)

332 "He really hates the Brits."

That's the part of the Catholic community that bugs me most, the occasional proIRA sentiment I still sometimes hear in the American Irish subset.

I'm part Irish too, I'm fine with Ulster rejoining the rest of the island (on its own time), and I get that it's going to take a while for the Irish to forgive the English aristocracy for what they/we did. But the IRA just like to murder people.

Say what you will about Bono's big ego, but he gets it about the IRA.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 11:56 PM (ykYG2)

333 ''The Toronto Raptors give a hard no on any Whitehouse invite. NFL , NHL, MLB , NBA and PGA. That leaves only the MLS I can watch but I'm boycotting them just on general principle.''

You know the president just needs to say f**k it and quit inviting them to the White House. Watch what happens. They'll be insulted that they weren't invited so they could make fools of themselves turning it down. He could invite me. I wouldn't tun it down.
Posted by: Tuna at June 23, 2019 11:35 PM (jm1YL)

Why would Trump invite a Canadian team, the Raptors, to the White House? Granted, most of the players are Americans, I expect, just as many of the player on the St. Louis Blues squad are Canucks. But I thought the "tradition" of a WH invite for a winning team was confined to a U.S.-based team.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 11:58 PM (WG6O9)

334

A town hall featuring South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg devolved into chaos Sunday as the city struggled to respond to a deadly police-involved shooting last week.

https://tinyurl.com/y2yx5y79

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 11:58 PM (aKsyK)

335 The left is rocket-sledding to beyond parody...


Posted by: Captain Comic at June 23, 2019 11:47 PM


I've noticed that too!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 24, 2019 12:00 AM (wgV7k)

336 It looks like Power Line is banning those folks who call them "NeverTrumpers". If you have a Disqus account, you might like to thank them for their efforts. [See the sock link.]

Posted by: andycanuck at June 24, 2019 12:00 AM (Dh1wo)

337 > Problem with Subway is the stank. They all smell like a tub of wet laundry.
Yeah, what's up with that?
Back when Subway was new, they always smelled like delicious fresh bread.
Now they smell like the dumpster behind a real delicatessen.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 24, 2019 12:02 AM (Vy4a0)

338 Who could have seen this coming? NZFrank - you and your pals and your guns are always welcome here.

Willowed from gub thread. Thanks Mr Weasel. Appreciated.
Utah or Texas is looking mighty good to me at the moment. However, on a positive side this for me personally, could be a good thing a la your 1934 National Firearms Act. If I have this correct, intelligent forward thinking people who had as many lots of $200 as they could muster were serializing bits of pipe and paying the $200 to register a "machine gun". Then they would buy enough parts and manufacture some receiver parts to make the machine gun. Once the market supply was fixed the prices could only rise to where you know have to pay silly money to buy a transferable gun. Also a M16 with a giggle switch is NOT a machine gun. FFS

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 24, 2019 12:02 AM (bgJ0E)

339 > A while back a posting on a knitting site became the wahst ting evah!
Ravelry. Insty had an update on them today. Apparently they've now banned Trump supporters outright.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 24, 2019 12:03 AM (Vy4a0)

340 I don't go to PowerLine much but I didn't get the feeling they were particularly NeverTrump. That's more HotAir and Patterico.

If PowerLine's got a troll problem, then I'm glad they're fixing it.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:03 AM (ykYG2)

341 But the IRA just like to murder people.

Say what you will about Bono's big ego, but he gets it about the IRA.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 11:56 PM



I've read the "Real IRA" is making a come back of late, with much more "R.I.R.A" graffiti in Belfast and elsewhere... Cool R.I.R.A fact: "rira" is Gaelic for "chaos"!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at June 24, 2019 12:04 AM (wgV7k)

342 > Utah or Texas is looking mighty good to me at the moment.

Alaska has good gun laws, too, and scenery comparable to anything in New Zealand.
A bit colder, though.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 24, 2019 12:04 AM (Vy4a0)

343 274 I need to find myself a job, just to do it. I'm bored.

Posted by: JEM
________

Do it.


Yeah, I'm leaning that direction, but I'm not sure about retail. We don't really need the money, but I'm not getting as much done on personal projects as I figured I would when I stepped back from the corporate world, and worst of all I've lost a lot of my contacts.

I'd like to go off and do some CAD work, and I know enough Solidworks and AutoCAD to be dangerous, but I'm not a PE.

Posted by: JEM at June 24, 2019 12:04 AM (8erNz)

344 >> I'd like to go off and do some CAD work, and I know enough Solidworks and AutoCAD to be dangerous, but I'm not a PE.

Learn to code.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at June 24, 2019 12:06 AM (F8YM0)

345 "You're fired" is something we need to be hearing a bit more from the fellow who made that phrase famous.

Followed by a blast from the cannon he's next to.

Posted by: t-bird at June 24, 2019 12:08 AM (DCYln)

346 I've been shit stirring the Rav thing all day. Got called brave, privately, by about five women, for calling them out on their special forum. I've been banned from posting on that forum. Had someone come over to my private blog to call me a racist, only to discover I moderate comments.

Twitter is full of idiots saying they are going to learn to knit. That will really make up for the loss of experienced, talented people that are tired of seeing things politicized. I haven't left yet. I was actually asked by a moderator of one forum to stay. The forums I'm on are trying to ignore all this. I'm copying my information over, in case I decide to bail. But I want action. I might start writing yarn companies and other vendors.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 24, 2019 12:09 AM (Lqy/e)

347 I know enough Solidworks and AutoCAD to be dangerous, but I'm not a PE.

Don't have to be. Those who could use CAD for the engineers (and relieve a lot of drudgery) were called 'designers' where I last worked.

Posted by: t-bird at June 24, 2019 12:10 AM (DCYln)

348 342 > Utah or Texas is looking mighty good to me at the moment.

Alaska has good gun laws, too, and scenery comparable to anything in New Zealand.
A bit colder, though.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 24, 2019 12:04 AM (Vy4a0)

I like the ability to get a suntan at home thanks. If I win the lottery I must check Alaska out tho.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 24, 2019 12:10 AM (bgJ0E)

349 Powerline are weak, middling, preening, Dartmouth fools.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 12:11 AM (CFSlN)

350 Gonna watch out for vampires on those Alaska winters though.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:11 AM (ykYG2)

351 50 Gonna watch out for vampires on those Alaska winters though.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:11 AM (ykYG2)

Silver bullets have not yet been banned.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 24, 2019 12:12 AM (bgJ0E)

352 They also attacked Kate Davies, a designer from the Shetland Islands. She's recovering from a strike and dealing with bi-polar but I guess she wasn't woke enough.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 24, 2019 12:12 AM (Lqy/e)

353

How about dirty white with a brown stripe?

Posted by: irongrampa at June 24, 2019 12:13 AM (KATBx)

354 Was it here? I heard that in the spring a naked man outside had four minutes to live before he was emptied of blood.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 12:15 AM (CFSlN)

355 Yeah, I'm leaning that direction, but I'm not sure about retail.

Posted by: JEM
________

Looking back on my life in retail, that's the one thing I'm certain about. Don't do retail.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 24, 2019 12:21 AM (ta49A)

356 Btw, vmom, you're en fuego tonight.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 24, 2019 12:22 AM (ta49A)

357 I would need to know more of the context of what Mr.
Pat says or said, historians and the like are sometimes not amenable to
being summarized, know what I mean? Prior to the attack on Pearl
Harbor, meh, it may not have been realistic, but it was at least
understandable.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 23, 2019 11:27 PM (Jn4GT)


I believe his stance is that WWII ushered in the total warfare state we live in tody: that is, the entire pretext for the growth of government for the last 80 years has been predicated on national security and continual warfare, and this has diminished individual liberty.

I am pretty sure he knows how unpopular that position is.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2019 12:22 AM (hSQmw)

358 He disclosed operational details of a law enforcement operation.

Defenestrate him.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 23, 2019 11:12 PM (I2/tG)
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typo fixed

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 24, 2019 12:22 AM (Cuq7U)

359
I like the ability to get a suntan at home thanks. If I win the lottery I must check Alaska out tho.
Posted by: NZFrank
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Frostbite, sunburn, pretty much the same thing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2019 12:22 AM (KoKdw)

360 How about dirty white with a brown stripe?

Posted by: irongrampa
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Unfurl the brown and white into the breeze. . . .

Posted by: FireHorse at June 24, 2019 12:23 AM (ta49A)

361 So, I am out in the yard this afternoon, in the midst of prepping to remove the flatdeck from a 1.5 ton truck I have had here for years.

Pogo, my dog came trotting up, and she was whining in the strangest way, seemed very distressed about something, and wanted me to know it. I got up off the ground from under the truck deck, and there was a pair of young Malemute dogs approaching Pogo and me. They weren't being hostile, just curious, but Pogo was alarmed, so I put here in the house.

Going back outside, the Malemutes had disappeared, but I whistled, and they came running. They wore collars and tags, but neither would let me approach close enough to read the tags.

I fished out my cell, and called the neighbors, and the eldest son and daughter came down. She took pictures of the dogs with her cellphone, and then got hold of one dog, and read a phone number off the tag, and dialed it. Turned out to be a relative of the folks that live a mile north. He came by in about five minutes, driving a big Dodge pickup I'd seen go by a half hour earlier. Dogs had been missing since last evening. He was real pleased to have them back.

And the doggos were happy, too, since I gave each one a dog biscuit.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2019 12:23 AM (WG6O9)

362 hoo boy, did they miscast that Alaska 'tales from the crypt' episode or what. Vivian Wu? wut?
She *looks* like an Alaska First Nation but then she opens her South Chinese mouth and a whole load of tonality splurts out. I thought she was Viet until I looked her up.

Are Alaskan Inuits and Yupiks and whatever else just that messed up, they can't find a sober actress in any of the villages? so they have to import one from the wrong continent?

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:25 AM (ykYG2)

363 >> And the doggos were happy, too, since I gave each one a dog biscuit.

That was awful nice.

Posted by: Frasier Crane (I'm coming back!) at June 24, 2019 12:27 AM (F8YM0)

364 Are Alaskan Inuits and Yupiks and whatever else just that messed up, they can't find a sober actress in any of the villages? so they have to import one from the wrong continent?
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:25 AM (ykYG2)

Lizzie Warren could have picked up some side money...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2019 12:27 AM (WG6O9)

365 And I guess that answers that. 10 day suspension on Ravelry for saying it's wrong to smear people as racist.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 24, 2019 12:29 AM (Lqy/e)

366 Meanwhile, my neighbor's cat, Macaroni, has gone missing. She's pretty upset about it. Most likely a coyote, though possibly a fox.

Too bad, was a nice cat. It would sit in the driveway and cry whenever her owner left.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2019 12:32 AM (2kj6M)

367 And I guess that answers that. 10 day suspension on Ravelry for saying it's wrong to smear people as racist.

You had a 50% chance.

Posted by: t-bird at June 24, 2019 12:33 AM (98WNR)

368 Too bad, was a nice cat. It would sit in the driveway and cry whenever her owner left.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2019 12:32 AM (2kj6M)

I wonder if a tracking dog could follow the cat's scent?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2019 12:33 AM (WG6O9)

369 340 I don't go to PowerLine much but I didn't get the feeling they were particularly NeverTrump. That's more HotAir and Patterico.

No, Powerline and Instapundit are basically the soul of skeptical sanity. No one should have expected Trump to be the second incarnation of St Ronald (and he isn't quite, and St Ronald had his share of weaknesses, one of which wasn't Twitter) and they didn't.

Place not your faith in princes. But as Presidents go, in my lifetime. if you divide them into thirds (15/15/15) and then top-five and bottom-five, you get IMHO:

JFK: maybe lower end of upper-third. Didn't do anything severely wrong, got a few things right. We got to the moon, and we didn't have to sink any Russian ships around Cuba.

LBJ: bottom-third, maybe bottom five. The economy did fine through his term, but he flip-flopped on civil rights for purely political benefit (and left black America in shit for decades), he kept but couldn't control JFK's Harvards on a variety of issues but notoriously Vietnam.

Nixon: could have been somewhere in the top third, though big-government GOP and gave us EPA but...so bottom end of middle-third because you-know-what, the biggest unforced error in American politics.

Ford: who? oh yeah, he was President when I registered for the draft and decided ROTC was not in my future. Mayaguez and all that. Top end of lower third. WIN.

Carter: bottom third, I'd rate him bottom five but there's so much competition.

Reagan: not perfect, but he knew One Big Thing and he killed on it. Mideast policy mostly a disaster and domestic policy a very mixed bag but history rates him on the USSR. Top-five.

Bush 41: he could have done better, bent the DoD to his will on Kuwait but...could have done better. Hard to push him out of the top third despite one-term and the private-right-of-action ADA.

Clinton: will go down in history highly despite a lot of crap, because economy, because the Balkan war worked, because letting the Chinese in didn't screw us until later. Above or below Bush 41? I'll put him a notch above just 'cause I made a lot more money under Clinton.

Bush 43: don't even. His response to 9/11 was weak, and then there was Iraq, wherein he sold his administration's soul to the Democrats to fund his war. And he gave us Obama. Bottom third.

Obama: Race-baiter, maybe agent of the mad mullahs, protected with sixteen inches of face-hardened blackdemocratium by the press but he's still probably in the bottom five. History may soften that but...not now. He's bottom five.

Posted by: JEM at June 24, 2019 12:34 AM (8erNz)

370 I'm not convinced Lizzie is sober.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:35 AM (ykYG2)

371 Powerline is invaluable for conservatives.

Period. I doubt the posters here dissing the site have spent much time at Powerline.

They have been all over so MANY news stories that the msm has tried to bury. Dozens of them. Ilhan Omar's marriage/immigration fraud is merely the most recent oexample f Powerline's superb work.

Posted by: mnw at June 24, 2019 12:36 AM (Cssks)

372 Meanwhile, my neighbor's cat, Macaroni, has gone missing.

Coyotes are the reason why I NEVER allow my cats to go outside. The varmints are all over the Lower 48; only Alaska and Hawaii are free of them (so far).

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 24, 2019 12:37 AM (pPNCa)

373 YOU KNOW WHAT THIS WORLD NEEDS?
MORE NEGATIVE PERCEPTIONS.
MORE HYSTERICAL OVERREACTIONS.
MORE UNCOMPROMISING TRAUMA-DRAMA,
MORE EMOTIONAL HELL IN EVERYDAY SITUATIONS.
more capital letters

Where's that emoji of a scowling red face with steam coming out its ears?


calm down... calmm... dowwnnn...
* ommm ommmm ommmMYGAW, PEOPLE!! *
restart...
* breathe in... breathe out... breathe... happy thots *

Ahem. Okay. Venting sufficient for the moment.

Looks like a great post up there, MisHum. I hope I can get it read before, um, maybe before Ace is up, maybe.

Meanwhile, hello to the hordely commentariat. Which memes are we crossing tonight?

Wait..
Uh-oh.
'Nother rage wave coming on...

Posted by: mindful webworker - because time is of the s sense at June 24, 2019 12:37 AM (/IMJl)

374 And I guess that answers that. 10 day suspension on Ravelry for saying it's wrong to smear people as racist.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 24, 2019 12:29 AM (Lqy/e)


Well, in a week and a half you can go tell them that banning people for making moral a judgement they disagree with is the heights of depravity, is evil, and is a violation of the feeling of free speech we used to believe the internet was going to be providing everyone.

That should be good for two weeks

Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2019 12:38 AM (hSQmw)

375

Something is wrong at Warner Bros (the trailer is not animated, so it looks legit):

THE BANANA SPLITS Official Trailer (2019) Horror Movie HD

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlgFo_Q9fE4

Apparently the movie is rated "R", and not for sexual content. Watch for WB to follow Marvel and DC into brand self-destruction.


It looks like someone(s) in marketing at WB recently took a bad trip on really bad acid.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 24, 2019 12:38 AM (FlRtG)

376 Ahem. Okay. Venting sufficient for the moment.

If you want to vent about the Phillies deciding to pack in their season early instead of waiting until August this year to melt down, feel free to do Vesuvius 2.0 on my behalf.

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 24, 2019 12:40 AM (pPNCa)

377 Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlgFo_Q9fE4

Apparently the movie is rated "R", and not for sexual content. Watch for WB to follow Marvel and DC into brand self-destruction.


It looks like someone(s) in marketing at WB recently took a bad trip on really bad acid.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 24, 2019 12:38 AM (FlRtG)

Uh-oh! You will summon he-that-shall-not-be-named, and Winona will be seeking another restraining order.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2019 12:40 AM (WG6O9)

378 There is a new screw elevator for material handling

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=-fu03F-Iah8

Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2019 12:41 AM (hSQmw)

379 If Powerline is NeverTrump, then I'm the reincarnation of Jimmy Hoffa.

Posted by: mnw at June 24, 2019 12:41 AM (Cssks)

380 If Powerline is NeverTrump I'll eat my dog spot.

Posted by: Cal Worthington at June 24, 2019 12:43 AM (9SkN+)

381 I wonder if WB / YouTube is monitoring and cleansing the Banana Splits trailer's dislikes. It's got 2.4k up and 602 down (one of those downs being mine). 281,589 views overall.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:44 AM (ykYG2)

382 McAleenan looks like a guy who should have been repeatedly roughed up for his lunch money.

Posted by: klaftern at June 24, 2019 12:44 AM (RuIsu)

383 just as many of the player on the St. Louis Blues squad are Canucks. But I thought the "tradition" of a WH invite for a winning team was confined to a U.S.-based team.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 11:58 PM (WG6O9)


So you're saying the Raptors would happily go to Justin's digs?

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 24, 2019 12:44 AM (pPNCa)

384 Oh man, I forgot about the Bull Shit Guy.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:44 AM (ykYG2)

385 Did President Clinton invite the Baltimore Stallions to the White House after they won the Grey Cup?

Posted by: FireHorse at June 24, 2019 12:46 AM (ta49A)

386 It's Paul Mirengoff who is NeverTrump based on writing like this:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y55e4z92

See you tomorrow.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 24, 2019 12:46 AM (Dh1wo)

387

"You will summon he-that-shall-not-be-named ..."


What I fear even more is the horror remake of "Lidsville".

Posted by: Arbalest at June 24, 2019 12:48 AM (FlRtG)

388 386 It's Paul Mirengoff who is NeverTrump based on writing like this:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y55e4z92


Powerline was, 2016, not full-in on Trump, but neither were they Erick Erickson or Cap'n Bill's cruise line.

Posted by: JEM at June 24, 2019 12:50 AM (8erNz)

389 andycanuck, yeah, i don't know what Powerline was thinking, letting Mirengoff blather on like that on their site.
Mirengoff should keep his mindthoughts to a blog of his own.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:51 AM (ykYG2)

390 Mirengoff's post was not NeverTrump but it smells of late night funk, cheetos, and cheap bourbon

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 12:52 AM (ykYG2)

391 #386 BTW, I found this David French tweet before reading Mirengoff's piece:
https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/
1142258117440364545

Not much difference, eh?

Posted by: andycanuck at June 24, 2019 12:52 AM (Dh1wo)

392 There is a new screw elevator for material handling

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=-fu03F-Iah8


Love that, and especially the view inside his shop.

Posted by: t-bird at June 24, 2019 12:53 AM (CE5C/)

393 There is a new screw elevator for material handling

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=-fu03F-Iah8
Posted by: Kindltot at June 24, 2019 12:41 AM (hSQmw)

"counter-intuitive" doesn't begin to describe it. I wonder what advantage it has over a traditional auger, wherein the auger turns withing a fixed tube?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2019 12:53 AM (WG6O9)

394 371 Powerline is invaluable for conservatives.

Period. I doubt the posters here dissing the site have spent much time at Powerline.
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Posted by: mnw at June 24, 2019 12:36 AM (Cssks)
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I spent four years at Powerline up until they tucked their tails and shut down their blogspot right before Obama was elected.

They are middling wastes of time.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 12:53 AM (CFSlN)

395 I thought I might spend my suspended time making a list of vendors that are cheerleading this and post the list on my website. And I may write letters to the yarn companies that advertise on the site, reminding them that conservatives also buy yarn and are capable of boycotts.

I considered going to Black Sheep Gathering and holding up a "boycott ravelry sign". But it's in Albany OR. It's safer than when they held it on Eugene but I don't want to get attacked.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 24, 2019 12:54 AM (Lqy/e)

396 Tis time.

Always remember we are Americans, so that head is held HIGH and PROUD.

More so now than ever.

Goodnite, good people. Be safe, stay warm and sleep well.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 24, 2019 12:54 AM (KATBx)

397 So you're saying the Raptors would happily go to Justin's digs?
Posted by: Basement Cat at June 24, 2019 12:44 AM (pPNCa)

I am sure they would, seeing as le Petit Patate is a leftist.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2019 12:55 AM (WG6O9)

398 I read several fora but there were only three I was really interested in and all three have their own websites. I downloaded my patterns before deleting my account; I was actually a little surprised at how they'd tailed off, I think I was finding it not fun sometime ago without realizing it.

Posted by: Lirio100 at June 24, 2019 12:56 AM (JK7Jw)

399 I am sure they would, seeing as le Petit Patate is a leftist.

Will he serve them his home-cooked poutine? (Assuming he can find his way around a kitchen.)

Posted by: Basement Cat at June 24, 2019 12:58 AM (pPNCa)

400 I wonder what advantage it has over a traditional auger, wherein the auger turns withing a fixed tube?

He said a big advantage was keeping explosive dust down. Much less air movement.

Posted by: t-bird at June 24, 2019 12:59 AM (C78No)

401 Kindltot #378:
There is a new screw elevator for material handling
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=-fu03F-Iah8


What won't they think of next?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 24, 2019 12:59 AM (/IMJl)

402 "counter-intuitive" doesn't begin to describe it. I wonder what advantage it has over a traditional auger, wherein the auger turns withing a fixed tube?

It makes sense, as long as the rotating tube has some method for pushing/pumping the stuff it's sitting in into the tube.

It's push vs pull, that's all.

Posted by: JEM at June 24, 2019 01:01 AM (8erNz)

403 Obama: Race-baiter, maybe agent of the mad mullahs, protected with sixteen inches of face-hardened blackdemocratium by the press but he's still probably in the bottom five. History may soften that but...not now. He's bottom five.

Posted by: JEM at June 24, 2019 12:34 AM (8erNz)


Bottom five, nothing. Barky is the worst, by orders of magnitude. It's not even a contest. Barky doesn't even have a shred of American sensibilities about him. Not a shred. He is the only actual America-hater who ever occupied the White House - and the people who voted for him did so specifically because he hated America so much.

On top of that, Barky was the dumbest by a long shot. It was almost laughable how stupid he was/is. But he almost took this nation down and we still don't know that we are going to make it through the shit he did. We have yet to pay the piper - and that debt will have to be paid at some point. That will probably be the point at which the whole American experiment ends.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2019 01:01 AM (weya0)

404 393 There is a new screw elevator for material handling
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Woah, I wanna party with you

Posted by: Common Tater at June 24, 2019 01:02 AM (Jn4GT)

405 Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 24, 2019 12:54 AM (Lqy/e)


They need to know they are driving customers away and that their image is on the wane.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 01:03 AM (CFSlN)

406 He said a big advantage was keeping explosive dust down. Much less air movement.
Posted by: t-bird at June 24, 2019 12:59 AM (C78No)

Well, he said there was less air movement, but he never really explained why, unless perhaps the Olds auger works efficiently at lower RPMs.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2019 01:04 AM (WG6O9)

407 I spent four years at Powerline up until they tucked their tails and shut down their blogspot right before Obama was elected.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 12:53 AM (CFSlN)


I spent years commenting at PowerLine back when it was an actual forum and not just blog commenting. I left there when they started making this retarded case for "real names". I was amazed at how retarded they actually were and left. Then they decided to shut the forum and just wiped away years of people's comments. Just like that. Assholes.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2019 01:05 AM (weya0)

408 irongrampa: Always remember we are Americans, so that head is held HIGH and PROUD.

I dunno 'bout anybody else, but NaCly Dog in the morning and irongrampa at night really round out my day.

Posted by: mindful webworker is about to say good-night at June 24, 2019 01:05 AM (/IMJl)

409 394

Ilhan Omar 12-part (so far) expose: "middling waste of time"?

Muhammad Noor trial: "middling waste of time"?

Oberlin libel trial extensive coverage: ditto? (Other than Legal Insurrection, who ELSE covered Oberlin except Powerline prior to the verdict?)

Deconstruction of the Minneapolis Star's (aka "the Red Star") infamous Minnesota poll? another "middling waste of time", I guess?

Powerline's DOGGED pursuit of the FISA/Deepstate/FBI fiasco? "waste of time"?





Posted by: mnw at June 24, 2019 01:07 AM (Cssks)

410 It makes sense, as long as the rotating tube has some method for pushing/pumping the stuff it's sitting in into the tube.

It's push vs pull, that's all.
Posted by: JEM at June 24, 2019 01:01 AM (8erNz)

The base of the rotating tube has scoops on it to gather in the material.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2019 01:07 AM (WG6O9)

411 Pat Buchanan thinks any military action vs. any Muslim is somehow a nefarious plot by THE JOOOS. He can cram it.

Posted by: hurricane567 at June 24, 2019 01:08 AM (aU8S2)

412 I spent years commenting at PowerLine back when it was an actual forum and not just blog commenting. I left there when they started making this retarded case for "real names". I was amazed at how retarded they actually were and left. Then they decided to shut the forum and just wiped away years of people's comments. Just like that. Assholes.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2019 01:05 AM (weya0)


ditto

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 01:08 AM (CFSlN)

413 And I am out for the night. Be well, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2019 01:08 AM (WG6O9)

414 Bottom five, nothing. Barky is the worst, by orders of magnitude.

I disagree. I think James Buchanan is probably worst, and James Madison probably second.

Buchanan could have prevented the Civil War, but didn't; Madison pushed the country into an existential conflict with the Brits over an issue that could readily have been negotiated away and we were saved by Bonaparte.

There's a lot of others down in the toilet, Carter, Wilson, and LBJ belong way down there, but you've got to make room for some of the early 19th century nullities.

And of course FDR was the best and the worst, a man who might go down in history as among the worst of our Presidents except for Hitler and Tojo, so as a war President well...unlike Bush 43 he didn't let failed generals have field commands for three years...

Posted by: JEM at June 24, 2019 01:11 AM (8erNz)

415 After I grilled the burgers last night, I just couldn't eat, so it was just "one of those days". No need for sympathy ...that's just going to happen.

I went to lie down for a minute and I got six hours of sleep, so *YAY!* *throws confetti*

Weird day.

I got to talk to some friends that I haven't connected with in awhile and I consider that an absolute, gift-from-God *blessing*.

I'm a little confused right now, and the doctors told me that this would happen, but it is an odd, ethereal feeling. I'd chalk-it-up to not eating, but this is different.

*How is that different from what you normally prattle-on about, Slapweasel?*

Thanks for asking, Disembodied Voice! --I'm not sure.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 01:13 AM (Ckg4U)

416 Do you guys ever read the ARTICLES at Powerline? Or are you just focused on your precious snowflake egos?

I never knew, much less cared, that Powerline even HAD comments.

Without Powerline, how much would we know about that bint Omar's marriage fraud?

Or the cold-blooded MURDER perpetrated by Muhammed Noor?

Or the trial of "the Minnesota Men" (i.e., the Somali terrorist cell)?

Posted by: mnw at June 24, 2019 01:14 AM (Cssks)

417 re: knitting site.

The Ghettoization of the non-Left proceeds apace. Wait until there is a Warsaw Uprising of all the Deplorables, the lucky ones of the Left will get the Benito solution while the upper echelons will get the Ceausescu Treatment.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:14 AM (30k51)

418 I fail to see any significant advantage in the screw auger. It seems to me that once the material is in the tube, the action is precisely the same whether the auger is turning, or the screw is turning.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2019 01:16 AM (HTHlp)

419 is precisely the same whether the auger is turning, or the screw is turning.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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Oops. The tube is turning, or the screw is turning.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2019 01:16 AM (HTHlp)

420 I'm focused on my Precious Snowflake Ego.

It needs to be tended and given nutrients on a daily basis.

I keep it in the Chest-Freezer, next to the frozen vegetables.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 01:17 AM (Ckg4U)

421 Thanks for asking, Disembodied Voice! --I'm not sure.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 01:13 AM (Ckg4U)
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Haven't seen you around for a while it's good to see you are back, hope you stick. Don't know what's going on and hope the best for you.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 01:18 AM (CFSlN)

422 Posted by: JEM at June 24, 2019 01:11 AM (8erNz)

None of them set about to destroy America just because they hated this country and they hated Americans. Not even Carter. No other President even thought, while he was in office, of touring the world trying to blame America for every made up sin he could conjure in his fevered pea-brain. Only Barky. Barky was distinctly non-American and he was exactly the sort of influence and perversion of our system that the Founders tried to stop with the "natural born citizen" requirement.

Barky did as much destruction as he was able - and the big difference is that Barky did it intentionally. He set out to destroy us. He hated us and our country.

There is no comparison with any President. None. It is in a totally different universe all on its own.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2019 01:18 AM (weya0)

423 I've always had a particular contempt for Franklin Pierce. Buchanan was worse but I'd argue he wouldn't have been AS bad if Pierce hadn't left so big a turd on his desk on his way out.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 01:19 AM (ykYG2)

424 Meanwhile - thisainthell,us website domain is for sale.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:19 AM (30k51)

425 Thank you, Billy Cole. Prayers and well-wishes are not disabused around these parts.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 01:19 AM (Ckg4U)

426 So, I just got off Discord chat with a guy I've been gaming with for a couple years and he's going to be flying out over the Independence Day weekend to see if he likes my family and the area.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 24, 2019 01:20 AM (uquGJ)

427 Do you guys ever read the ARTICLES at Powerline? Or are you just focused on your precious snowflake egos?

Posted by: mnw
________

Yeah, right. What else -- are there POSTS at Ace of Spades?

Posted by: FireHorse at June 24, 2019 01:22 AM (ta49A)

428 There is no comparison with any President. None. It is in a totally different universe all on its own.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2019 01:18 AM (weya0)


Points well made.
Benedict Arnold cared more for America than barkey. His ego/character just couldn't handle it and he broke.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 01:23 AM (CFSlN)

429 Aeronautica Obscura

What is a Bf 109G-4/R2/Trop?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:23 AM (30k51)

430 good luck Polliwog !

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 01:25 AM (ykYG2)

431 What is a Bf 109G-4/R2/Trop?
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A Messerschmitt?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2019 01:26 AM (ZMWtN)

432 Best wishes for you and your family Polliwogette.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:27 AM (30k51)

433 A wittle more precision ja?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:28 AM (30k51)

434 "So, I just got off Discord chat with a guy I've been gaming with for a couple years and he's going to be flying out over the Independence Day weekend to see if he likes my family and the area."
-Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 24, 2019 01:20 AM (uquGJ)

This sounds... promising?

"I'm going to probe your Family with a rectal thermometer and survey the landscape. We'll see where it goes from there."

..."But I'll be Damn-Glad to meetcha!"

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 01:28 AM (Ckg4U)

435 Trop/ well, I looked it up so leaving it to others who want to guess.

First thought when your question appeared was

BR-549

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 01:28 AM (CFSlN)

436 A wittle more precision ja?
Posted by: Anna Puma
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I wasn't serious. It was the best humor I could come up with. Yeah, I'm clueless.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2019 01:29 AM (U2TY5)

437 Well this will kill the comic industry - making a graphic novel out of the Mueller Report?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:29 AM (30k51)

438 "Well this will kill the comic industry - making a graphic novel out of the Mueller Report?"
-Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:29 AM (30k51)

You just gave "The Political Hat" his next blog-post.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 01:32 AM (Ckg4U)

439 Wouldn't it have been crap flying a hot water cooled plane and have your coolant line shot/fail?

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 01:33 AM (CFSlN)

440 "Well this will kill the comic industry - making a graphic novel out of the Mueller Report?"
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Why not a Broadway play?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2019 01:34 AM (U2TY5)

441 Why not a Broadway play?

Springtime for Mueller? Certifiable flop.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:35 AM (30k51)

442 For those of you who don't know, "The Political Hat" is a Las Vegas resident who used to post here often. He also acted as a sort-of "Tour Guide" for last years infamous Vegas Mo-Mee.

Here is his website:
http://politicalhat.com/

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 01:36 AM (Ckg4U)

443 Springtime for Tyrants and Tyranny.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 01:36 AM (CFSlN)

444 Wouldn't it have been crap flying a hot water cooled plane and have your coolant line shot/fail?
Posted by: Billy Cole
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Probably happened with some regularity.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 24, 2019 01:36 AM (U2TY5)

445 I left there when they started making this retarded case for "real names"
***


"Real names" combined with the left's drive to destroy anyone they disagree with is a recipe for no conservatives on the internet.

Which, of course, is the idea.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 24, 2019 01:38 AM (WdocV)

446 Spotting incels in the wild

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=88209

And this is what the Air Force is scared of??https://tinyurl.com/yxcnyosy

Posted by: SMH at June 24, 2019 01:42 AM (RU4sa)

447 Never a dull moment with Teh Donald in power.


Whatever happened to Mexico's mysterious big purchases of American ag products, which PDT touted as one [incongruous, and sort of irrelevant] outcome of the tariff threat?


What will the new Iran sanctions be tomorrow?


What will happen with McAleenan? Can he continue - or be confirmed - if the allegations about his leaking the ICE op are not refuted, and a clear vote of confidence from PDT?


Will the WH legislative affairs shop let their boss know that his horse trade [ill advised] of deferring normal and desperately needed internal enforcement for legislative action on asylum fix has already gone as could have been predicted? That is, Dems pocket the bad move and instantly up the ante for their disastrous migration agenda? And while they're at it, let him know "his" party in the senate is about to help hand him his 3rd consecutive debacle on border/migration $$$ and policy in the form of the emergency supplemental?



Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2019 01:45 AM (QDnY+)

448 With the DB605 engine, the oil would froth. It was never really fixed. Daimler blamed Messerschmidt for shoddy design and vice versa.

A Bf 109G-4/R2/Trop in RLM parlance is a G model fitted with the DB605 engine and larger sized tires which gave rise to small triangular bumps on the upper wing surfaces to accommodate the new tires. Like all G series a more paddle shaped prop replaced the thinner VDM prop of the F model. The tail structure was reinforced so the four stiffener strips found on all F models to prevent the tail from falling off due to engine harmonics were done away with.

R2 indicates a factory installed kit. In this case a camera fitted to underside just aft of the wing.

Trop means the plane has been fitted with an elongated sand filter over the supercharger intake. Also two little clips were installed on the left side just under the windscreen to allow a sun umbrella to fitted over the open cockpit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:46 AM (30k51)

449 "Many of these incels argue that the government should step in and correct these injustices against them. They've called for the government to stand up a 'government instituted girlfriend program'"

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lol

So basically, a govt-mandated escort service.

Bless their lunatic hearts.

Posted by: SMH at June 24, 2019 01:48 AM (RU4sa)

450 Anna I was happy to find that both titles I got from you yesterday are at the local library. Thinking of doing an Eye-talian campaign binge in 2nd half of summer.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2019 01:49 AM (QDnY+)

451 The odd thing about incels is that from a leftwing/identity politics/socialist perspective their views and even demands make perfect sense.


If it is the job of the government to take from those with material success and give to those without, isn't it the same for romantic/sexual success?

Of course it is all silly without that lens, which is why incels make the left freakout - there is a whole movement now (well, sort of) dedicating to taking leftwing ideas to their absurd conclusion.


Posted by: 18-1 at June 24, 2019 01:50 AM (WdocV)

452 SMH,

They'll want Federal dollars just so they can check out Gynoids at the local library next.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:51 AM (30k51)

453 Anna,
Your 448 is the Platonic essence of arcane knowledge.
I kneel before you in awe.

Posted by: Vlad the implaer, whittling away like mad at June 24, 2019 01:53 AM (iWN3z)

454 The author infers that Joseph Heller as a bombardier cut a deal because he left the theater after only 60 missions when at the time a crew needed 70 missions* to go home. So in the book Yossarian refuses a similar offer.

*Reason why the number of missions needed to be completed was so high was because the Italian campaign was already being relegated to a lesser priority and USAAF units were transferred so the remaining units had to pick up the slack.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 01:55 AM (30k51)

455 Anna,

All I know is that I'm glad I don't have to deal with that.

Posted by: SMH at June 24, 2019 01:57 AM (RU4sa)

456 Vox Day had some intriguing views on MGTOW on his blog earlier today.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 24, 2019 02:04 AM (ykYG2)

457 Vlad, wander into the Luftwaffe forums and it still gets dicey. For example was RLM DunkelBlau ever really used will set off people mostly because they don't read the whole post. The answer is, barring a cache of late war color photos surfacing, no one knows. And even that could start a fight.

Right now looking at one site showing a black and white photo of a Bf 109G as captured by the Tommies. Poster claims the side number is Red 14. Except that is wrong since there is at least one color photo of the same Gustav with US star and RAF fin-flash showing it to be Black 14. And most sources say the plane is a G-2 except this one black and white photo clearly shows the extended fuel line running next to the oblique photo installation along with sand filter, so the plane really appears to be a G-4/R-2/Trop.

And then the fighting started.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 24, 2019 02:08 AM (30k51)

458 MGTOW are quitters and liars.

...change my mind.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 02:16 AM (Ckg4U)

459 >>Vox Day

I used to follow Vox Day fairly regularly -- particularly way back when Acey had His Great Meltdown. Ol Theodore, though, suffers from Minnesota Man Syndrome; one of the greatest examples was 'scruff face' Jesse Ventura. Gov. Ventura started out strong ... but ultimately got so damned cray-cray that he had to be punched out (literally). Vox Day jumped the shark a while back ... I popped over to get his take on matters European -- during the Brexit vote he was vote helpful -- instead he was on an anti-American tear -- so fuck him.

Posted by: lurk at June 24, 2019 02:40 AM (/sJCA)

460 We're going to have to agree to disagree, lurk.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 02:47 AM (Ckg4U)

461 A graphic novel on the Mueller Report. Rats. I was really looking forward to the graphic novel of the subcommittee hearing on soybean production in Iowa.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 24, 2019 03:11 AM (9kF3K)

462 Fuck Ravelry with a poorly knitted jumper with the cable bars left in sideways.

Fuck all of them.

They say I can still use their site, but I can't talk about Donald Trump, even though he is our President, because he is a white supremacist, and so by extension am I.

Must be why I adopted a nice brown baby from Guatemala.

I think I will post a pattern for a pinkish dude doll with red hair. Maybe call him Tonald Drump.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 24, 2019 03:12 AM (vVOK2)

463 Rise and shine

Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2019 03:35 AM (BbGew)

464 Powerline has really just 1 Never Trumper, Paul M. A big whiny baby.

Posted by: runningrn at June 24, 2019 03:39 AM (UUnqW)

465 >>Rise and shine
Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2019 03:35 AM (BbGew

I've done the rising but there won't be much shining today.

Mornin', all.

Posted by: My life is insanity at June 24, 2019 03:46 AM (9p9/h)

466 G'Night, ev'ry-buddy!

*static*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 24, 2019 03:50 AM (Ckg4U)

467 'Nite, Slapweasel.

Posted by: My life is insanity at June 24, 2019 03:55 AM (9p9/h)

468 Goodnight Slap, wherever you are.

Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2019 03:56 AM (BbGew)

469 Power line is a blog I read every day and don't see any Never coming out. I would avoid it, or at least that person's columns if I did.

Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2019 03:59 AM (BbGew)

470 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 24, 2019 04:13 AM (7nhhV)

471 Not much happening, but it's early

Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2019 04:14 AM (BbGew)

472 What sort of outrage will the douche-supremacist progressives be promoting today?

Posted by: Tentotwo at June 24, 2019 04:24 AM (yhf6w)

473 As soon as coffee is done I'm outta here.
Have a great day everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 24, 2019 04:32 AM (BbGew)

474 I'm out, too.

Be nice to someone today, you never know who may need a smile.

Posted by: My life is insanity at June 24, 2019 04:35 AM (9p9/h)

475 Powerline are weak, middling, preening, Dartmouth fools.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 24, 2019 12:11 AM (CFSlN)


My Disqust avatar, a drawing of the US with "Fuck Off We're Full' written across it, would get me banned at PowerLine. "That's just not how it's done, dear Chap" 'Republicans'. I got banned at Gateway Pundit for the avatar, but then he came out of the closet becoming a leading 'Conservative cupcake'. Some things just cannot be discussed by 'good people', like the fucking Truth.

Posted by: RickZ at June 24, 2019 04:36 AM (Y8PSl)

476 I have always wondered about the " inverted V" engines like the DBs. They used a dry sump engine like most ( all?) aircraft engines of the era, but the natural tendency is for gravity to carry the oil to the "sump" and mostly away from the working bits.
In the inverted Vs, gravity works the same way, but the oil would try to fill the pistons, although at 3000 RPM the filling is probably largely theoretical. As a very long term mechanic, I can imagine the oil always being airated, and needing extra time in the oil tank for the air to separate out.
I know the DB engines worked, but could/would they have been better under extreme conditions?

Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 24, 2019 04:41 AM (ouR/N)

477 Well, interesting am. Bigley weather moved in about 20 min ago, so...

Need coffeve.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 24, 2019 05:43 AM (6qErC)

478 Okay, finally plowed my way thru the Mis Hum linked Intercept 'journalist' article, and I have some thoughts.

1. Well he keeps a journal; must be a journalist.

2. He ain't very bright. Throughout history, it's a cardinal rule that you don't try to get under the skin of a gubmint bureaucrat with power over you...

If you beard the bear, you get clawed.

3. He's a racist. Throughout the article, he claimed that his White Privilege protected him, and that a person of color would have fared far worse. He presented no evidence of that, just his opinion and a couple of anecdotes.

Which are like, evidence, dude.

4. More dumbness, or at least proof that he isn't very well read -- I've known about these warrantless Border Patrol device searches for ages. If you have sensitive info on your equipment, leave it at home.

Now he does.

All that said, of course I am disturbed about these crystal clear violations of the 4th Amendment, especially of a US citizen on US soil.

Thanks a lot, SUPREME COURT, for failing fuckingly miserably at YOUR ONE FUCKING JOB. Here, let me quote it to y'all since RBG seems to lose her copy of the Constitution on a regular basis:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You're welcome, dummies.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 24, 2019 05:45 AM (Z4rgH)

479 inverted V" engines like the DBs. "

It was about the packaging. Narrower at the top meant possible better visibility. Oil frothing was a problem

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 24, 2019 05:51 AM (6qErC)

480
Good morning, Hordians.

Let's get out there and shame the lunatics by living a good life today.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 24, 2019 05:54 AM (Wx/+I)

481 Good Morning Glories!


Let's get out there and shame the lunatics by living a good life today.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 24, 2019 05:54 AM (Wx/+I)


Working on it.

Posted by: ALH at June 24, 2019 06:11 AM (htgmn)

482 Morning all

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2019 06:14 AM (tBimT)

483 America's cold civil war

https://youtu.be/07xd4DYywlo

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 24, 2019 06:20 AM (LxTcq)

484 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2019 06:23 AM (cqNba)

485 Morning!
The rain that was forecasted for yesterday went POOF. I guess I'll have some plant watering to do this morning.

Posted by: Bruce at June 24, 2019 06:24 AM (vd8XM)

486 There are now 25 presidential candidates for the Democrats, and Elizabeth Warren is now calling for reparations for gay people.


Posted by: ALH at June 24, 2019 06:28 AM (htgmn)

487 It looks like Gurgle is insisting that

YOU MUST ENJOY WOMENS SOCCER!!!

Posted by: Bruce at June 24, 2019 06:28 AM (vd8XM)

488 So retired Admiral Sestak is gonna run for President.

How nice.

I vaguely remember his and my lives overlapping at some point.

And a memory of not being too impressed with him.

Well.......it's a big tent there, Admiral.
Welcome aboard.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2019 06:31 AM (cqNba)

489 "Elizabeth Warren is now calling for reparations for gay people. "

I thought Lincoln freed them.

Wake me when we start talking free shit for the Irish.

I got skin in the game for that one.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2019 06:32 AM (cqNba)

490 'The global climate crisis is the greatest challenge that humanity will ever face, and we are within a few years of the effects of global warming being irreversible," tweeted Gilmour.

--

Just like 20 years ago.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 24, 2019 06:32 AM (SYNdr)

491 It looks like Gurgle is insisting that

YOU MUST ENJOY WOMENS SOCCER!!!

Posted by: Bruce at June 24, 2019 06:28 AM (vd8XM)


Especially that Rapino ho who would not hold her hand over her heart, or show any respect, when the National Anthem played because . . . {wait for it} . . . Trump is president. She's wearing a uniform representing the United States, not Trump. Fuck her with a barbed wire-wrapped pineapple right in her left ear.

Posted by: RickZ at June 24, 2019 06:34 AM (Y8PSl)

492 Got into it (nicely) with several different FB friends about the treatment of illegal aliens at the border last night. One of the open-border friends just posted this poem on FB:

no
is a necessary magic

no
draws a circle around you
with chalk
and says
i have given enough

- boundaries

I couldn't resist adding a comment 'boundaries = borders'. I wonder if she'll understand.

Posted by: biancaneve at June 24, 2019 06:34 AM (hkMx0)

493
YOU MUST ENJOY WOMENS SOCCER!!!

I don't even enjoy men's soccer.

Don't be the first person to stop applauding.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 24, 2019 06:36 AM (Wx/+I)

494 It looks like Gurgle is insisting that

YOU MUST ENJOY WOMENS SOCCER!!!

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Holy crap, are they still on that kick?

Nothing for D-Day, nothing for Flag Day, but two weeks straight of "we'll keep you updated on breaking scores!"

I say this as a college football fan: Probably not 2% of the population cares about breaking scores and updates regarding a wildly popular, local, and personally-connected sport with the best in the nation playing at high levels.

Womens soccer? I bet you could fit the total number of people who give a half a sh*t about it at all in one average sized college football stadium.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 24, 2019 06:41 AM (SYNdr)

495 Women's soccer is just like men's soccer,foosball with real people. In women's soccer, foosball players have boobehs.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 24, 2019 06:44 AM (C1Lsn)

496 And I love that the Pink Floyd fellow made other people give their money for global warming. One would have to assume $21M would be a drop in the bucket for one of those guys.

I also love that his $21M will now go through massive bureaucratic and administrative systems and something like $4M will actually reach any kind of research.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 24, 2019 06:45 AM (SYNdr)

497 Womens soccer? I bet you could fit the total number of people who give a half a sh*t about it at all in one average sized college football stadium.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

If the USA wasn't involved, even those people would be yelling ..."meh"

Posted by: Bruce at June 24, 2019 06:47 AM (vd8XM)

498 488 So retired Admiral Sestak is gonna run for President.

How nice.

I vaguely remember his and my lives overlapping at some point.

And a memory of not being too impressed with him.

Well.......it's a big tent there, Admiral.
Welcome aboard.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 24, 2019 06:31 AM (cqNba)

Ex Navy
Pro Iran deal embarrassed we backed out
Climate Change is biggest threat
Moar Abortions

Come on in KKKLown Kar aways has room.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 24, 2019 06:48 AM (JFO2v)

499 I also love that his $21M will now go through massive bureaucratic and administrative systems and something like $4M will actually reach any kind of research.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

And all of that $4M will be given to research that is already saying Holy Crap!! It's Getting Warmer!!! wait, I mean The Climate is Changing!!!

Posted by: Bruce at June 24, 2019 06:49 AM (vd8XM)

500 If the USA wasn't involved, even those people would be yelling ..."meh"

Posted by: Bruce at June 24, 2019 06:47 AM (vd8XM)

-

Yep. Although I like that TITS AND VAGINA!!! is the reasoning for so many people insisting we show an interest in it, because that's the same reason people watch women play volleyball.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 24, 2019 06:50 AM (SYNdr)

501 Albert Pujols knows... https://tinyurl.com/y3xsnd6g

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2019 06:53 AM (e0nNm)

Gun Thread: Mail Call! [Weasel]

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We recently had a couple of good questions in the comments regarding barrels, and I thought I'd save them as Gun Thread topics. Pretty smart of me, huh? So without further a-doo-doo, let's take a look shall we?

The first question comes from our pal Gref who asks:

What's your barrel cleaning process and materials?
And how clean is clean enough, when it comes to copper deposits?
(I've only found about 3.6 million different opinions on those topics on the InterWebs!)

Well there are two answers which depend on which gun I'm cleaning. Let's start with the easy one first, which is for the guns I use for recreational shooting. These are the handguns and rifles I take to the range just for the joy of shooting itself, where a score is not being recorded and it's all just for funsies. The answer, honestly, is I do not do much at all. Digging waaaay back in the archives. we find this topic sort of addressed in the September 23, 2018 Gun Thread. Warning: Don't comment in old threads! Anyhoo, to understand my answer, one first has to appreciate that I'm pretty lazy, and all I'm trying to do is keep them properly lubricated and functioning while prohibiting any sort of rust. Rust isn't a big problem for me because I control humidity in my gun safes and keep a light coating of oil on everything. I go hundreds and hundreds of rounds without really "cleaning" anything. Having said that, I have never had any type of malfunction with any of my firearms due to what some of you will no doubt consider a neglectful cleaning and maintenance protocol.

When I do clean these guns, I keep the process pretty simple, and let's call this the:

Basic Cleaning
I like Hoppe's 9 and I use a lot of it with WeaselWoman's toothbrush to get the visible crud out of the nooks and crannies. For stainless steel revolvers, I use a tack cloth with polishing compound on the cylinder face to keep them from looking like crap. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, range babes are not attracted to a crappy looking cylinder face. For barrels (both handguns and rifles) my process is to run H9 saturated patches through a couple times first, then either a bronze or nylon brush (with more H9) until it slides through without resistance. Then it's alternating wet/dry cotton patches until they come out clean. If that's taking too long, I may go back through a few more times with the brush to remove stubborn deposits, then repeat the wet/dry patch process. Finally, I wet a patch with oil and run it through the barrel, being careful to keep the chamber dry All in all, I suspect it's about what everyone does, and I do not worry about copper fouling much, if at all. If I'm not in a hurry and want to remove copper fouling the easy way then I use a product called Wipe Out which does an excellent job. Spray the foamy solution into the barrel, leave it overnight, and patch it out the next morning. I will say I also pay a little more attention to my carry pistol, cleaning and maintaining it on a slightly more frequent basis.

And then we have:

More Better Cleaning
This is typically reserved for my match rifles. I'm still lazy as shit, but accuracy degrades significantly unless these barrels are kept pristine, and I clean them meticulously at the end of every day. I never let these barrels go more than 100 rounds without being cleaned, ever. My daily match gun cleaning process is exactly as described above, except I use a Gradient Lens Borescope to inspect the chamber and rifling each day.

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Gradient Lens Borescope

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optional angled eyepiece

The borescope is a precision optical instrument and represents something of an investment at around $2,000 with the optional angled eyepiece. If you're really serious about seeing inside your barrel, this is the way to go. Again, I use the basic method daily and rather than Wipe-Out I use J-B Bore Compound to remove any remaining copper fouling. A few passes with a small amount of the bore paste on a cotton patch is usually sufficient, but in cases where deposits are stubborn, I may go back with a bronze brush and repeat the entire process until the rifling is clean. For competition, I shoot the overbore caliber 6.5-284 and my barrels only last about 800 rounds due to chamber erosion, so I'm not worried about wearing out the rifling with a little bore paste.

Thanks and I hope this answers your question, Gref!

I know we have a lot of people who are very conscientious cleaners, but how many lazy people like me do we have? Has your sloth in cleaning and maintenance ever caused a problem?

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Our next question comes from Gun Thread regular Semi-Literate Thug who asked something I've wondered about from time-to-time myself:

Parkerizing and similar treatments are done in a hot liquid bath. Is the barrel normally plugged to prevent the surface treatment from reaching the bore?

Parkerizing (or phosphating) is a chemical process of adding a protective coating to steel which gained popularity in WWII. What is this coating, you ask? Well, it's the end result of a process in which a dilute solution of acid and manganese, zinc or iron salts are used to form a crystalline layer on steel which protects the surface from wear and corrosion. It can be done at home, and DIY kits are available, including bore plugs, although I'm not sure I'd try it myself. Anyway, the process requires the surface of the part to be prepared by sanding or bead blasting and then submerged in a heated solution, but how do you keep from parkerizing the inside of the barrel and messing up the rifling or bore diameter? As usual, the answer depends on who you ask, and naturally the internet is full of experts arguing both ways. Apparently the phosphating doesn't "stick" very well to a surface that hasn't been prepared before immersion in the solution, which would support the "don't need to plug" camp, however, Step 1 in the Brownell's Parkerizing Instructions recommends plugging the bore. (Note to the chemists out there: the above few sentences are intended as a quick summary and not intended to represent an exhaustive or particularly technically correct discription of the process - Weasel)

A helpful video of the process is linked HERE.

From Brownell's detailed parkerizing instructions:

TO PLUG OR NOT TO PLUG THE BORE:
It is Brownells recommendation that if the firearm is intended to be fired, the bore should not be Parkerized. The smooth surface of the bore will only take a thin Parkerized coating and part of the coating can be removed with a stiff bore brush and by shooting. The problem lies with the fact that the Parkerizing action will etch the bore to some degree. This etching will cause an increased tendency to foul and in all likelihood, degrade accuracy. In addition, all other things being equal, an etched bore will result in higher pressures than a smooth bore. So, Brownells recommends that all bores should be protected from the Parkerizing process. (A possible exception would be chrome lined bores, which, if in good tight condition, are unaffected by the process.) Recommended plug materials are soft wood, neoprene, or other synthetic materials. Gas ports in autoloading firearms must also be plugged. The easiest way to plug these port holes is to use round toothpicks, driven solidly in place.

The Brownell's answer and explanation makes a lot more sense to me than something opined on the Super Badass Gun Genius Forum by a commenter calling himself BubbaX. Plugging the bore doesn't seem complicated, so why not do it? Don't etch your bore, bro!

Has anyone tried parkerizing at home, and if so, what was your experience with the process? For those who haven't, does it look like something you would attempt?

***

Last week we talked about the incredible collection at the Springfield Armory NHS in Springfield, MA and here is an American Rifleman article on the Model of 1903 with S/N 1 on display there. Anyone who misses an opportunity to visit the museum is a retard!

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And speaking of retarded, here's a Breitbart News article on how the mandatory gun confiscation in New Zealand is going. Who could have seen this coming? NZFrank - you and your pals and your guns are always welcome here.
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Link-O-Rama

Georgia Arms: Free .22LR Offer!
White Oak Armament: In Stock Uppers
Shooting Sports USA: 12 Best High power Articles
Shooting Sports USA: Trigger Technique
American Rifleman: Marines Adopt Sig Sauer M18
Midsouth Shooters Article: Ballistic Coefficient

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Please note the new and improved gmail account morongunthread at gmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 Good Evening, Horde.

Posted by: BigZesty at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (DK0/s)

2 Ah Sunday, BBQ and gubs.

Posted by: Panhandler at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (MBGf7)

3 Mail call

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:03 PM (BbGew)

4 So without further adieu, let's take a look shall we?

Ado. Adieu is goodbye.

Posted by: Pedantischer Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 07:04 PM (fuK7c)

5 How is that mailbox not pockmarked with bullet holes?

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (dCRRg)

6 4 So without further adieu, let's take a look shall we?

Ado. Adieu is goodbye.

Posted by: Pedantischer Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 07:04 PM (fuK7c)
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So without further goodbye, let's take a look...

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (MVjcR)

7
That pic reminds me of ebay listings from about 15 years ago.

Lots of land for sale on ebay in Arizona and Texas, literally in the middle of the nowhere. These Land-locked lots, about a few acres or so, would be selling for, like, $700. No shit.

I toyed with buying a lot....on a lark, as Dad would say.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:06 PM (QU9hs)

8 "That's it for this week - have you been to the range?"

Yeah.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:07 PM (t+qrx)

9
Remember the song that goes Adieu Run Run, Adieu Run Run?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:07 PM (QU9hs)

10 A dollar for dollar reimbursement for high end firearms would break the government would be my guess.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:08 PM (BbGew)

11 Bang!

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:09 PM (omAHa)

12
Well, I guess not "literally" in the middle of nowhere. The lots were indeed somewhere, namely Arizona or Texas. So figuratively, I guess.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:09 PM (QU9hs)

13 Man, I had a question for the group and I'm completely blanking on it now.

If anyone remembers what it was, go ahead and shout it out.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM (t+qrx)

14
What if WE did buy a bunch of lots in Arizona or Texas?
Could we have done something with them?

We'd need water. And a road.
And a sewer...

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM (QU9hs)

15 A dollar for dollar reimbursement for high end firearms would break the government would be my guess.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:08 PM (BbGew)
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Yep. And then everyone would want to negotiate the condition and value of their particular firearm. This will get interesting.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

16 I'm bad about cleaning. Yeah, I do it but I do it grudgingly and I stop when the patches come out "mostly" clean. I figure it's another one of those 80/20 things where the first 20% of the work gets you 80% of the results.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM (KCJPq)

17 picking up two new (to us) shotguns this week, both Ducks Unlimited yearly fund raisers...

herself has decided we should collect these as a hobby.

who am i to argue against such a decision?

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:11 PM (omAHa)

18 >>So without further goodbye, let's take a look...

Shalom.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 07:11 PM (PxX58)

19 Gum thread!

Posted by: Uncle Si at June 23, 2019 07:11 PM (F7vOh)

20 So without further goodbye, let's take a look...

Shalom.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 07:11 PM (PxX5
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That's how we say it at my church.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

21 but I fixed it to be inclusive.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

22 Man, I had a question for the group and I'm completely blanking on it now.

If anyone remembers what it was, go ahead and shout it out.
Posted by: hogmartin


'Why are hog's legs so ugly?'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (DrqHq)

23 Buy guns and ammo. I just got called a racist on my personal blog by the tolerant left at Ravelry.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (Lqy/e)

24 Man, I had a question for the group and I'm completely blanking on it now.

If anyone remembers what it was, go ahead and shout it out.
Posted by: hogmartin
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How do you build a tractor?

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

25 'Why are hog's legs so ugly?'
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (DrqHq)


It hurts when you say that.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:15 PM (t+qrx)

26 Hello! Glad I made it to the gun thread. Sundays can be cray cray.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:16 PM (xJa6I)

27 It hurts when you say that.
Posted by: hogmartin


Vell, deh are.

Posted by: weft cut-glockenspeil at June 23, 2019 07:16 PM (DrqHq)

28 Not many trees to take down on that long range

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:17 PM (BbGew)

29 Gun cleaning . That's why I buy disposable guns, Hi Points .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (2DOZq)

30 28 Not many trees to take down on that long range

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:17 PM (BbGew)
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Yeah, lucky!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

31 Two (2) Gub Threads in One (1) day! What did we adieu to deserve this, oh Wondrous Weasel?
And what does Weasel Woman think of the taste of Hoppes No. 9 (Nine) on her too(2)thbrush?

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (R+3Am)

32 23: So they're stalking you. Can doxing be far behind? Just get rid of these lunatics, buy patter books on the secondary market, cheaper and you don't have to pay lib writers.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (U7k5w)

33 I'm thinking about purchasing the first firearm I've purchased in about 2 years:

Sig Sauer P365, now available with an external manual safety.

I've been waiting for them to come out with this "Massachusetts compliant" model not because I'm from there (gross), but because I just don't like the idea of the double-action-only long trigger pull with no safety at all. I'd probably shoot my dick off. Probably I"d stuff it into my pocket, and there would be a crayon or tootsie roll in the pocket holster, and boom, no more dick.

Anybody have any experience with the P365? I'm thinking I can replace the S&W J-frame in my front pocket with something with a 1.6 times-longer barrel and sight radius, and twice as many rounds.

And yeah, I know, the S&W doesn't have a safety either. I'm used to revolvers, I'm just not used to a semi-auto with no safety. 90% of the pistol rounds I've fired have been from single-action revolvers, in my youth; most semi-auto shooting, I've done with pistols with manual safeties.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (sgHEm)

34 Two (2) Gub Threads in One (1) day! What did we adieu to deserve this, oh Wondrous Weasel?
And what does Weasel Woman think of the taste of Hoppes No. 9 (Nine) on her too(2)thbrush?

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (R+3Am)
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I spray it with Lysol to hide the Hoppes 9 taste.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

35 I actually *did* go to the range today for the first time in forever. Spent my time working on that slow pull/intense concentration method talked about in that Silverado Academy video posted a while back. It helped a lot. When I tried to speed up, I started pushing shots low and left. I'll have to get back out soon and work on it some more.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (KCJPq)

36 I did get to the range yesterday and discovered a thing or two.

First, I bought some 124 gr Fiocci 9mm. The 115 gr loads were shooting low in my XD9. I wondered if the 125gr would change the point of impact.

Sure enough! It was bang on dead center with 124 gr loads. So that's good to know. I'll save the 115 gr for testing other pistols. It sure seems to shoot low in the XD9.

Also did some side by side testing for accuracy and ease of shooting with my Ruger SR1911 and the Rock Island Tac 2 the Nurse has.

The sights on the Ruger gave it the edge. But getting new sights on the Rock Island should be easy and not too expensive. The Rock Island had a better trigger reset, IMO.

Also did some shooting with the Glock 42. I'm 'sufficiently' accurate with it but it's not perfect. It is easy to shoot but it obviously is very tiny and makes gripping it and working the trigger a little tricky. Still, it's a great shooting pistol.

And it was a very good day at the range.

Next week will be all about the CZ P07 and the Kadet adapter.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (xJa6I)

37 A 5.5mm fiber optic endoscope that works with an
iPhone is $35 bucks. and you can take movies of
the bore inspection. or snapshot close-ups.

A higher-end scope is in the 100 buck range.

Posted by: retropox at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (+SHyF)

38 If there's a better way of getting disarming murderers than disarming just their victims, well I don't know what it could be!

Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2019 07:23 PM (wCx1p)

39 We always plugged the barrels of our muskets/rifles/shotguns when we did rust browning when I did Civil War reenacting.

Simple corks or rubber stoppers worked fine.


And Brownells rust browning solution worked great for me. Perfect results if you followed the directions.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 23, 2019 07:24 PM (JUOKG)

40 Good evening, everyone.

When I started shooting as a young fellow I just assumed a gun needed cleaning after every session. (It didn't hurt that I loved the smell of Hoppe's 9.) Nobody told me different. Since I began shooting muzzleloaders shortly after, and they HAD to be cleaned after each use, the cleaning bug was reinforced.

I basically follow Weasel's first cleaning procedure. Most of my shooting is with cast bullets at moderate velocities so leading and copper fouling is minimal at best. It works. My guns may show wear from use but there isn't a speck of rust on them after over 30 years and the bores are bright.

I'm lucky. Mrs. JTB likes the scent of Hoppe's. I always knew she was special.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 07:24 PM (bmdz3)

41 I actually *did* go to the range today for the first time in forever. Spent my time working on that slow pull/intense concentration method talked about in that Silverado Academy video posted a while back. It helped a lot. When I tried to speed up, I started pushing shots low and left. I'll have to get back out soon and work on it some more.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (KCJPq)
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Excellent! I thought that video was great. For years I have concentrated on doing that whenever I'm shooting and it was nice to see it described by someone who sounds like they know what they're doing.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

42 Ref cleaning.
Not a big deal for pistol barrels but a bore snake does a MAGNIFICENT job cleaning and lubing rifle barrels.

What I find to be the big deal with the snake is that it takes so much less time to clean the solvent out of the barrel. Instead of running one patch after another for that long long barrel, I can get it very clean with 2 passes of the the snake.

A pass down a rifle barrel is a lot longer than a pistol barrel so it takes more patches to do a rifle barrel.


Posted by: ArthurK at June 23, 2019 07:25 PM (Aqi5D)

43 Cleaning: black powder every time, but just hot soapy and then hot clean water and a patch. Rifles and handguns (non-corrosive) get a patch, then a brass brush, then patches until they look clean. All the field-stripped guts are toothbrushed and Q-tipped. First with a tiny bit of CLP (which is the only solvent used), then dry patches and rags. Then reassembled, function-checked, and handed over to QA to make sure the slide rails and mag wells get the proper amount of cat hair.

When I was little I loved cleaning guns because it meant I got to play with all the guns and detail strip them. I did a full detail-strip, clean, and reassembly of every one of dad's guns several times. Voluntarily. For fun. I'm a lot lazier now, but I still clean mine after every trip.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:25 PM (t+qrx)

44 Great thread as always, weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 07:26 PM (gC2IV)

45 Regarding cleaning, I favor guns that don't need it to function because I'm mostly lazy.

The XD9 runs dirty better than any gun I've owned, the Glock family is close second.

.22 LR are the worst, with .38 special....well it doesn't seem to malfunction but it does get dirty.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:27 PM (xJa6I)

46 Posted by: retropox at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (+SHyF)
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I'd tried some of the inexpensive ones and was never happy with the image. Glad you found one that works for you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

47 Dad had a big glass container of mercury he used for cleaning shotguns. Would probably get him the death penalty today.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 07:28 PM (gC2IV)

48 Anybody have any experience with the P365? I'm
thinking I can replace the SW J-frame in my front pocket with
something with a 1.6 times-longer barrel and sight radius, and twice as
many rounds.



And yeah, I know, the SW doesn't have a safety either. I'm
used to revolvers, I'm just not used to a semi-auto with no safety. 90%
of the pistol rounds I've fired have been from single-action revolvers,
in my youth; most semi-auto shooting, I've done with pistols with
manual safeties.


Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM

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I have one and I love it. Mine does not have a safety and I am fine with that. My holster covers the trigger and I am OK with that set up.


They have worked out all of the issues they had when they first came on the market and my gun shoots great and I have never had an issue with it.


Plus it fits in every leather holster that I have for my Glock 42, it's that small. And 10 rounds of 9mm in that small of a package is great.


One downside is that you will not be able to do the 10+1 thing. You can't seat a fully loaded 10 round magazine in the pistol without the slide being back and locked. But 10 rounds of 9mm in that small of a gun is a blessing.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 23, 2019 07:28 PM (JUOKG)

49 Great thread as always, weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 07:26 PM (gC2IV)
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Thanks Duke!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

50 I've been waiting for them to come out with this "Massachusetts compliant" model not because I'm from there (gross), but because I just don't like the idea of the double-action-only long trigger pull with no safety at all. I'd probably shoot my dick off. Probably I"d stuff it into my pocket, and there would be a crayon or tootsie roll in the pocket holster, and boom, no more dick.
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (sgHEm)


When I'm using a pocket holster, I holster the gun and put it in my pocket as one unit. So it's never placed in my pocket unless it's already holstered and the trigger's covered.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:30 PM (t+qrx)

51 Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (sgHEm)

New production SIG 365 are good, I'm hearing. They are tiny. I would make sure you can manipulate the safety reliably under stress. I avoid manual safeties on pistols I plan to carry but you go with makes you comfortable.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:30 PM (xJa6I)

52 Met a guy at the range who wasn't a totally new shooter but hadn't in 20+ years with his teenaged son who had never been shooting before. They didn't stay very long but dad did well and the kid looked like he had fun. It was good to see that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:31 PM (KCJPq)

53 Time to put the recliner upright.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 07:32 PM (CFSlN)

54 I just don't like the idea of the double-action-only long trigger pull with no safety at all.
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (sgHEm)


Just curious, have you considered carrying the Dreyse M1907? It's got a good safe trigger pull.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)

55 I've read that one is supposed to pull the cleaning tool from the breach to the front so as not to push gunk into the working goodies. I don't know how this can be done on some guns without a total dismantle.

Posted by: Ronster at June 23, 2019 07:34 PM (7AtW1)

56 And what does Weasel Woman think of the taste of Hoppes No. 9 (Nine) on her too(2)thbrush?
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (R+3Am)
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You've not heard of Hoppes new marketing slogan?

Hoppes: For that brighter whiter smile!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (WEBkv)

57 Scotsman, that's great information. Particularly regarding the holster.

I suspect that the long double-action trigger with no safety will work for most people with no hitch, I just don't have that confidence in my own trigger finger discipline. I rarely get to the range.

Re. the 10+1 -- they have a 12 round extended mag, I'm hoping it fits in my pocket with that, and that I can then fit my pinky onto the grip. And if I can, maybe I'll be able to hit a pie plate from 10 feet, because I really struggle with accuracy with little pistols in my big hand. They're very unforgiving of bad form and lack of practice.

And they have a 15 round mag (!!!) -- I'm hoping to carry one of those as a spare on my non-shooting side. 27 rounds of 9mm at the ready, instead of my current 5 rounds of 38+p.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (sgHEm)

58 With all the concerns for injustices in the legal/penal system one way to simply and easily create a correction to one horrible 2nd Amendment injustice would be to change the ridiculous law that strips white collar criminals from ever owning, possessing or using a firearm or ammunition. I'm all for criminals with convictions for crimes where guns were used but to apply the exact same loss of inherent and constitutional rights to a person convicted of wire fraud, embezzlement, etc is just insane.

Posted by: VinylMan at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (HEX9C)

59 I find that the more I use a particular item, the less strict I feel about cleaning it.
Which is to say, since I know I'll be at it a week later, I don't try to get a given weapon up to same standard I would if I know it's going to sit idle for a while.

I gave up on Hoppe's a while ago. The problem was the smell, which Mrs. Lloyd cannot abide.
So now I use Break Free CLP, which seems to do the job, but doesn't smell nearly as bad.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (cfSRQ)

60 Frankly when I go to the range now (with pistol)I'm only there probably 30 minutes. I preload multiple mags at home and my routine is not the slow pull , fire, review.

I triple /quad tap . Looking to get groups at 8-10 yards within 5-7 inches. Hit center mass is the goal with all the shots.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (2DOZq)

61 50 ... "When I'm using a pocket holster, I holster the gun and put it in my pocket as one unit. So it's never placed in my pocket unless it's already holstered and the trigger's covered."

THIS!! You can't get to the trigger once the M and P is in my pocket holster. I tried just to test it.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 07:37 PM (bmdz3)

62 Sig 365. I've only palmed one, as I mentioned last week, but it felt very good. Better, for me, than a Glock 42.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 07:38 PM (fZcn6)

63 Just curious, have you considered carrying the Dreyse M1907? It's got a good safe trigger pull.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)

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Ha!

I was thinking about this earlier today. I think a lot of military handguns from the Olden Thymes have stiff triggers precisely because accidental discharge prevention was more important than precision accuracy.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:38 PM (cfSRQ)

64 Gun thread! Oh the joy!

Under normal circumstances, I'd be lurking during lunch break at the job. But very early in the morning the job tabled a motion of no confidence in me, and about 15 hours later, I gave them my own motion of no confidence. I no longer work there and life is in flux at the moment as I barrel towards what I hope will be a more lucrative, stable path.

Days before all that happened, I did hit a range down in Houston - the beloved Top Gun Range, where I fired 500 rounds through all three of my handguns - an M9, G26, and a Sig P226 TacOps (two of which were featured guests here some time ago). It just felt good to be back out there and my hope is that when things settle down, I can make more systematic visits to the range, as that closing question gazes at me with silent reproach, especially if I haven't been to the range in awhile.

I also tried out the Sig P365 - I see it as an even better EDC than my G26 (and I love the G26, especially now that I have mag extensions which lend me greater control - yes, getting the pinky around the handle is a must!), but I will definitely need a mag extension with it just as I have gotten mag extensions for the G26. The P365 has a lot of "pop" to it - there's just less gun to absorb the recoil. But that's nothing to worry about so long as I have a mag extension to better control the gun.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 07:38 PM (mEn6y)

65 Later all, husband just got home from meeting at the range. Going for late dinner.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (U7k5w)

66 Great thread, as usual, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (WEBkv)

67 I triple /quad tap . Looking to get groups at 8-10 yards within 5-7 inches. Hit center mass is the goal with all the shots.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (2DOZq)
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I think more people would do well to practice to that level of proficiency. Everyone likes making teensy little groups but it's not always going to be practical.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

68 The top picture is fake. It isn't full of bullet holes.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (aS1PU)

69 I've read that one is supposed to pull the cleaning tool from the breach to the front so as not to push gunk into the working goodies. I don't know how this can be done on some guns without a total dismantle.

I clean from the breech whenever I can, not because I worry about pushing crud into the action, but because it helps prevent rod wear on the muzzle. They used to bore and rifle barrels from the breech, too, because any wear on the cutter resulting in bore changes would make for a choked barrel instead of a funneled one, and I tend to reflexively follow traditional practice....

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (bZ7mE)

70 I can't remember the last time I cleaned my gun. With Hillary in the next room, it just kills the motivation.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (QE8X6)

71 *But very early in the morning the job tabled a motion of no confidence in me - very early, after the last gun thread, that is. So it's been a week. No range visits for a little while, but I WILL return!

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (mEn6y)

72 Great thread, as usual, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (WEBkv)
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Thank you, blake!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

73 CA ammo buyers, remember, new laws on July 1, and you won't like them.
I fully expect those laws to be overturned, but I have been wrong before, once.
It was a Tuesday, I think...
Meanwhile, it will be a pain in the tush.

Posted by: navybrat, another fine mess at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (w7KSn)

74 55 I've read that one is supposed to pull the cleaning tool from the breach to the front so as not to push gunk into the working goodies.

Not so much to avoid pushing crap into the innards as to avoid damaging the muzzle by dragging the rod against it.

I don't know how this can be done on some guns without a total dismantle.

Nope. But when you have to clean from the muzzle, use some sort of guide to keep the rod off of the lands.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:41 PM (KCJPq)

75 Frankly when I go to the range now (with pistol)I'm only there probably 30 minutes. I preload multiple mags at home and my routine is not the slow pull , fire, review.
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Same here. I'm not there for entertainment, just to keep my hand in. I'll typically run through a mag, take a look at the target, put up a new target, repeat for a total of three targets. If a majority are in the black, I'm through.

I'll never win any contests.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 07:42 PM (KoKdw)

76 Hogmartin, I always holster my revolver that way too -- revolver in the holster, holster in the pocket.

Until I don't, which will probably happen when I'm flustered after having pulled it, if that ever happens. And then boom, no more dick.

Re. the Dreyse M1907: A little new-fangledy for me. And 32ACP -- yikes. But that is pretty funny stuff. Love the almost 90 degree grip angle.

Mark Andrew Edwards -- I'm sure if I ever have to pull the pistol under duress, I'm going to fumble all sorts of stuff. I don't have the handgun combat training some people get; if I lived in a higher-crime area, I'd probably invest in that, instead of a new pistol.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:42 PM (sgHEm)

77 Yo! Fellow gun nuts, does anyone have direct experience with Robinson Arms XCR platform?
Also, b/c I'm afraid to look, what kind of price point should I expect?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (ty7RM)

78 I was thinking about this earlier today. I think a lot of military handguns from the Olden Thymes have stiff triggers precisely because accidental discharge prevention was more important than precision accuracy.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:38 PM (cfSRQ)
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Colt 1917 DA 45 Army, 45 ACP

If you want a gun that will give you a finger cramp before you're done taking up the slack in the trigger.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

79 It is difficult to get a uniform, good looking phosphate conversion coating on the smooth, low alloy steels typically used in firearms. Hot acid etching is the best surface preparation to avoid a splotchy phosphate coating, but is certainly not DIY friendly. Sand blasting sort of works, but the 'tooth' it creates is too coarse and results in a coarse phosphate finish. Activators, mostly fine dispersions of aluminum oxide particles, can be used to improve phosphate coating uniformity, but they require a lot of experimentation to produce good results.

Posted by: 10x25mm at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (dhys0)

80 Wife, when I've got the Hoppe's out: "Can't you do that outside?"

Me: "Will you do your nails outside?"

Wife: "Touche."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 07:44 PM (j4zcI)

81 i may have mentioned this last week, but we have apparently ID's the first collectable to purchase with my CnR FFL: a 1954 Mk 1 Ruger

the price is right, and we're not sure if we have one of these already, so why not? it's small and doesn't eat much.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:45 PM (omAHa)

82 That mail box...If you drive around Nevada (and probably other western states) all the road signs are full of holes, and I mean all!

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (DX4xe)

83 Try Simple Green on black power clean-up

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (BbGew)

84 It is difficult to get a uniform, good looking phosphate conversion coating on the smooth, low alloy steels typically used in firearms. Hot acid etching is the best surface preparation to avoid a splotchy phosphate coating, but is certainly not DIY friendly. Sand blasting sort of works, but the 'tooth' it creates is too coarse and results in a coarse phosphate finish. Activators, mostly fine dispersions of aluminum oxide particles, can be used to improve phosphate coating uniformity, but they require a lot of experimentation to produce good results.

Posted by: 10x25mm at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (dhys0)
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That's the sort of stuff I was thinking when I said I was unlikely to try it myself. Well, that and spilling hot acid all over the place.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

85 Clank! Clank! Clink! Clank!

Poor, poor mailbox...

In any case, since the wife is out of town my progress on removing the planters she's decided she's not interested in any more is...rototill about a wheelbarrow's worth of dirt loose, shovel it into the wheelbarrow, move the wheelbarrow to the dirt pile out by the gate, return wheelbarrow to the planter area, come inside and sit down for a few minutes. Lather, rinse, repeat. At least one will be done today, the other big one tomorrow morning, the two small ones whenever. Loosen the dirt, dig a bunch more out, bring in some lava mulch, move the patio tables over there.

Posted by: JEM at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (8erNz)

86 Colt 1917 DA 45 Army, 45 ACP



If you want a gun that will give you a finger cramp before you're done taking up the slack in the trigger.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

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The Dreyse has no slack. None. It's like cracking a walnut with your finger.

The funny thing is, I think it was more accurate than the Webley, which has a six-inch barrel.

Clearly, more study is required - and I'm going to have to do pull-ups with my trigger finger.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (cfSRQ)

87 From Gref:

Weasel,
Thank you very much for the info this evening and the link to your earlier thread. All very helpful to me.

I only shoot for recreation. I believe I've been working too hard at getting practically no blue on a
patch with a copper solvent on it. Which means cleaning takes most of the recreation out of my shooting. I've re-started shooting after a very long period of an average of about one range trip every 5 years. I have all the chemicals you use. I'm going to try the Kroil then Kroil and JB Bore Compound method and see how it does.

And thanks for the tip about using polishing compound on a stainless revolver cylinder face. Do you use JB? I am thinking of trying Flitz and Iosso.

Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (AMIL/)

88 Mentioned earlier that it was a .30-'06 day for me at the range. Mr. Garand's love child.
I had been doing seating depth with 150 g. Hornady 150 FMJ-BTs and a scope on my Savage boltie. Got it dialed in - yes, .75" group with a 1" flyer, so a good day.
Then I loaded up some clips, yes, clips of 1960's Greek M2 Ball from CMP and rolled out the CMP M-1.
Iron sights on the gong at 100 from a bag rest - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, Bam thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sight to 200 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sights to 300 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, ting.
Guy next to me asked if I was having fun.
No shit, Sherlock!
March,1945 rifle, 1952 eyeballs. 2019 chubbie.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (R+3Am)

89 That mail box...If you drive around Nevada (and probably other western states) all the road signs are full of holes, and I mean all!
Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (DX4xe)[//i]

Even the holes have holes.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 23, 2019 07:47 PM (aS1PU)

90 CA ammo buyers, remember, new laws on July 1, and you won't like them.
I fully expect those laws to be overturned, but I have been wrong before, once.
It was a Tuesday, I think...
Meanwhile, it will be a pain in the tush.

Posted by: navybrat, another fine mess at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (w7KSn)
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what new laws?

03 FFL + COE = FedEx/UPS delivery to my door.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:47 PM (omAHa)

91 Re. the 10+1 -- they have a 12 round extended mag,
I'm hoping it fits in my pocket with that, and that I can then fit my
pinky onto the grip. And if I can, maybe I'll be able to hit a pie
plate from 10 feet, because I really struggle with accuracy with little
pistols in my big hand. They're very unforgiving of bad form and lack
of practice.



And they have a 15 round mag (!!!) -- I'm hoping to carry one of
those as a spare on my non-shooting side. 27 rounds of 9mm at the
ready, instead of my current 5 rounds of 38+p.


Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM

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I have two of the 12 round mags and they make the P365 into something other than a pocket pistol unless you have very big pockets. Mine prints big time with those magazines in my pocket wearing normal jeans. It is very obvious that I am carrying a pistol in my pocket with those magazines. The flush 10 round ones are about the limit of what I can carry comfortably in my pocket.


I just got two of the 15 round mags in the other day and there is no way you are going to ever carry the gun with one of them in a pocket. They are ginormous.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (JUOKG)

92 For cleaning, Weasel has it right. Once the patches run clean, your good to go.
Once a year or so, I take a particular rifle out of my collection to my gunsmith and let him do his thing so I get a different set of hands and eyes on a detailed cleaning.

Took the Cetme and the FR8 to distance this past week, the Cetme has a pawn shop scope of undetermined manufacture, a 3x9x40, and she slaps steel from 100 to 500 yards no problem. As it should.
The Spanish FR8 surprised me a bit. Iron sights only and she shoots high and right about 2 inches at 100 yards so I hold off depending on distance. She rocked the steel at 100/200 but nothing at 300/400 yards. At 500 yards I was able to hit 3 out of 10 on a man sized torso plate, even though her rear sight only goes to 400 meters.......loads of fun for such a small rifle.

The Cetme is heavy though, like the kettle ball of rifles. I wouldn't want to hump the thing all day but a great shooter.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (Z+IKu)

93 The Dreyse has no slack. None. It's like cracking a walnut with your finger.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (cfSRQ)


Did you get a chance to do any research on the reset?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (t+qrx)

94 I like the smell of Hoppe's, Used to like the smell of gasoline when I was a kid, not so much anymore. Good old leaded regular without the 10 percent whatever.

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (DX4xe)

95 I have a couple of Number 1 Mk3 Enfield rifles, one from 1916, and one from 1918. The bores on both of these are a wee bit frosted. I have scrubbed them to the best of my ability, but the patches will never be completely clean. I generally shoot commercial ammo in them but occasionally shoot surplus. I was recently given some Iraqi(!!) of indeterminent age... Click.. Bang kinda stuff. I keep the rest of the actions clean and lubed. I shoot them in regular rotation with the rest of the milsurp rifles. I inherited a Number 2A1, the Ishapur Arsenal version in 308 Nato, from 1966, but I have not shot that one yet. I lack a headspace gauge in 308, and I am not so sure about Indian Metallurgy.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (ouR/N)

96 And thanks for the tip about using polishing compound on a stainless revolver cylinder face. Do you use JB? I am thinking of trying Flitz and Iosso.

Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (AMIL/)
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My pleasure, Gref! Either of those will work, and Brownells sells a tack cloth with something already on it. One package is enough to last about 50 years.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

97 I clean from the breach end whenever possible but I'm not fanatical about it. Like Grey Fox said above, my concern is to protect the muzzle. I do use conical muzzle protectors when possible, a habit I picked up from cleaning traditional muzzleloaders.

A benefit of Bore Snakes is they can be fed from the breach most of the time.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (bmdz3)

98 Behold my birthday rifle:

http://bit.ly/2RvHZtC

Ordered back on 02/08 and just delivered this week.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (yQpMk)

99 Iron sights on the gong at 100 from a bag rest - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, Bam thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sight to 200 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sights to 300 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, ting.
Guy next to me asked if I was having fun.
No shit, Sherlock!
March,1945 rifle, 1952 eyeballs. 2019 chubbie.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (R+3Am)
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Heh, did much the same with my Garand.

Guys are shooting at steel 175 yards out, using a scoped rifle, and it's a huge target, probably at least 24 by 36 and I'm thumping it using iron sights on a Korean war vintage rifle.

There's also some large gongs at a little over 300 yards I can ring regularly with the Garand.

Damn, those are fine rifles.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (WEBkv)

100 98 Behold my birthday rifle:

http://bit.ly/2RvHZtC

Ordered back on 02/08 and just delivered this week.
Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (yQpMk)

Classic power, props

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (xJa6I)

101 "Colt 1917 DA 45 Army, 45 ACP

If you want a gun that will give you a finger cramp before you're done taking up the slack in the trigger."

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Hold my vodka...

Posted by: M1895 Nagant revolver at June 23, 2019 07:51 PM (j4zcI)

102 Also, apropos of nothing, do any of you Morons happen to have a Browning Hi-Power you want to part with? Particularly an Israeli marked Hi-Power. Or best of all, if only for the irony, a Waffen Marked Israeli overstamped Browning Hi-Power? The more worn the better too. I'm not looking for pristine.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:51 PM (yQpMk)

103 88 Mentioned earlier that it was a .30-'06 day for me at the range. Mr. Garand's love child.
I had been doing seating depth with 150 g. Hornady 150 FMJ-BTs and a scope on my Savage boltie. Got it dialed in - yes, .75" group with a 1" flyer, so a good day.
Then I loaded up some clips, yes, clips of 1960's Greek M2 Ball from CMP and rolled out the CMP M-1.
Iron sights on the gong at 100 from a bag rest - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, Bam thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sight to 200 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sights to 300 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, ting.
Guy next to me asked if I was having fun.
No shit, Sherlock!
March,1945 rifle, 1952 eyeballs. 2019 chubbie.


Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (R+3Am)
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Awesome, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

104 Not overly tired but have to get up at 03:30hrs, that's less than 8 so good evening horde
( the sun is still up)

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (BbGew)

105 03 FFL + COE = FedEx/UPS delivery to my door.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:47 PM (omAHa)
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Yeah, yeah yeah, rub it in, why don't you?

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (WEBkv)

106 The Kiwis have lost sight of the real issue: Once they surrender / sell their firearms (price is irrelevant), they will NEVER get the right to own them again back. This is not about money - it's about rights and freedom vs power and control. Sorry mates - you're blowing it.

Posted by: Dr_No at June 23, 2019 07:53 PM (imDUY)

107 Gunga la gunga !

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 07:53 PM (7nhhV)

108 106 The Kiwis have lost sight of the real issue: Once they surrender / sell their firearms (price is irrelevant), they will NEVER get the right to own them again back. This is not about money - it's about rights and freedom vs power and control. Sorry mates - you're blowing it.
Posted by: Dr_No at June 23, 2019 07:53 PM (imDUY)

Probably a preview of the US. Nobody wants to pull the trigger and force the government to back down.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)

109 Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (BbGew)
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Adios, Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

110 I didn't get to the range this week, but I did manage to use up a few hundred rounds Out In The Woods. I had some new things to try out, as I finished most of my shopping for rifles prior to the new stupid rules coming for WA state on July 1st.

Picked up a few AR lowers, not sure what I'll make them into yet. The store in question had a waist high stack of lowers behind the counter, reporting that people would come in and buy 5-10 at a time. I think I should go back and get some more.

Got a Kel Tec CMR-30, the carbine version of the PMR-30 22mag pistol. It's a featherweight and pretty accurate, lots of fun.

A pistol got on the list, due to the absence of any other CZs in my safe- a CZ 97B in 45ACP. Big and heavy, I want to take this one to an IDPA match at some point.

And while I was buying, I added a Hi-Point 4595 carbine because why not. It's actually a nice shooter. After putting a hundred rounds through it, I'm considering doubling the amount of money I spent on it by adding a red dot to it.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (f0Pv6)

111 I mean, Adieu, Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

112 That's the sort of stuff I was thinking when I said I
was unlikely to try it myself. Well, that and spilling hot acid all
over the place.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

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That reminds of a rather amusing near-event from a couple of weeks ago.

When I began building my Broomhandle from spare parts, the barrel and lower were packed with cosmoline. This was a problem I'd never run across before, and the internet told me to soak the pieces in mineral spirits to get the gunk out.

This I did using a disposable baking tray, which left me with a lot of otherwise usable mineral spirits. So I poured it into one of the cat litter jugs and set it aside for future use.

Flash forward to this spring. I'm burning some brush in the fire pit and wanting to have some water handy, so I see what I take to be an old jug of rain water from the previous summer and set it off to the side so it's within reach if things get out of hand.

The fire burns low and I'm ready to put water on the coals. My eyes fall on the jug, and I notice that the cap isn't perforated, which is what I normally do with rainwater jugs.

OH CRAP.

I hastily returned it to the garage and instead fill an empty jug with fresh water.

I'm sure that once I uncapped it, the smell would have clued me in, but it's a reminder to LABEL re-used jugs with clear fluids in them.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (cfSRQ)

113 Quick post-cleaning/post-handling tip: get a silicone-impregnated reel cloth. Give the gun a wipe-down to remove your salty, oily fingerprints, especially around the grip frame, before you store the gun.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (j4zcI)

114 Probably a preview of the US. Nobody wants to pull the trigger and force the government to back down.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)
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Yeah, anyone serious gun owner doesn't want to see that particular curtain drawn back.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (WEBkv)

115 Sidebar pics.

*redacted*

As far as confiscation, only over my dead body.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 07:57 PM (geJF8)

116 105 03 FFL + COE = FedEx/UPS delivery to my door.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:47 PM (omAHa)


So in other words you host a quarterly CA MoMe? Got it.

Posted by: JEM at June 23, 2019 07:58 PM (8erNz)

117 And while I was buying, I added a Hi-Point 4595
carbine because why not. It's actually a nice shooter. After putting a
hundred rounds through it, I'm considering doubling the amount of money I
spent on it by adding a red dot to it.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (f0Pv6)

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I remember shooting the 9mm carbine they had in the 1990s. If you squeezed the grip hard enough, you could stop the ammo from feeding.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:58 PM (cfSRQ)

118 NZ is a good learning experience for some newbies to observe.

Note they are having trouble confiscating guns because they didn't have a registration scheme in operation.

DON'T LET THE GOV ENABLE A REGISTRATION SCHEME!
It's the first step to confiscation. This happened so quickly they acted too soon.
Don't think the liberals will miss the significance of this.
And be ready to fight any registration scheme no matter how reasonable it seems. Gov't can't be trusted.

Sure there are ways they could piece together a list but it won't be good enough to gather all the firearms.

Even with them there has to be a will on the part of Gov't and the knowledge that the people will back them before they try seizing guns.

Take a look at Vermont, New Jersey, New York, California, Connecticut.

They've all enacted some sort of registration/confiscation and haven't had the sign ups that they KNOW are there by the amount of guns sold.

People are already scoff laws as to registration or seizures.

Don't let them enact a National Registration (other wise known as Universal Background check which REQUIRES a registration scheme to be successful)

Also let's not allow a National RED FLAG Law (Lindsey Graham's pushing one) because they violate basic rules of law with no participation by the owner and the anonymity of the complainant.

And BTW while things are quiet, you can think of it as a hobby.

BUT IT'S NOT A HOBBY! It is a right that all men and women have. You have a right to defend yourself. That means you have a right to the MEANS to defend yourself and that means FIREARM.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at June 23, 2019 07:59 PM (WG0xd)

119 Quick post-cleaning/post-handling tip: get a silicone-impregnated reel cloth. Give the gun a wipe-down to remove your salty, oily fingerprints, especially around the grip frame, before you store the gun.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (j4zcI)
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Great tip. I save old cotton t-shirts and use one (plus "tweezer fingers") when I'm putting them away.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

120 i may have mentioned this last week, but we have apparently ID's the first collectable to purchase with my CnR FFL: a 1954 Mk 1 Ruger

Some years ago, my uncle scored a pristine, in the box, Mk I for basically pocket change. The hawk logo inset is red. I am told that it was changed to black after Alex Sturm's death which Wikipedia tells me was in 1951. I think they recently did a special collectors' run with the old, red, logo.

the price is right, and we're not sure if we have one of these already, so why not?

I have no reply to this but I loved it so much that I had to quote it.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:59 PM (KCJPq)

121 I should get all my hunting rifles out and check them and clean them. (6) They are in a hiding place the revenuers would never find. (gun grabbers) I have my 22 next to me all the time by the computer. Shot woodchucks with it when I was 12. Winchester Repeating, 1890 heavy....22 WRF

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 07:59 PM (DX4xe)

122 Retrox, do you have any ordering info on the $35 scope attachment to iPhone? I'd love to give one a try.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:00 PM (R+3Am)

123 I got an email with this deal on it

AR-15 .223/5.56 16" Carbine LENGTH 1:8 TWIST W/ 15" SUPER SLIM M-LOK HANDGUARD Upper Kit

$129 shipped to your house.

http://bit.ly/2RwvlLg

I'm thinking about buying one just for the parts.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:00 PM (yQpMk)

124 I'm sure that once I uncapped it, the smell would have clued me in, but it's a reminder to LABEL re-used jugs with clear fluids in them.


Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (cfSRQ)
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Yeah! Yikes!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

125 My 1911 is Parkerized. When it was new I hated the color and the feel of it. Then I heavily oiled the Parkerized surfaces and wiped off the excess. Darkened the color and made it nice and smooth-ish.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 08:01 PM (j4zcI)

126 98 Behold my birthday rifle:

http://bit.ly/2RvHZtC

Ordered back on 02/08 and just delivered this week.
Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (yQpMk)

Jeez, Grump. I just got two chubbies in one day!

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:02 PM (R+3Am)

127 Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (f0Pv6)

That's a good stack of treasure.

I love my CZ 97, but yeah it's a big boy gun.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:02 PM (xJa6I)

128 Jeez, Grump. I just got two chubbies in one day!


Heh. That is a wicked bayonet too. 1954 FN. The tip is like a needle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:04 PM (yQpMk)

129 106
The Kiwis have lost sight of the real issue: Once they surrender / sell
their firearms (price is irrelevant), they will NEVER get the right to
own them again back. This is not about money - it's about rights and
freedom vs power and control. Sorry mates - you're blowing it.

Posted by: Dr_No at June 23, 2019 07:53 PM (imDUY)

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Yeah. If they yell loud enough, they'll get nothing because the government will argue that public safety is more important than their "greed."

The one positive aspect of registry/licensure is that if enough people get permits, it actually acts as a check on confiscation because the authorities realize just how many people they will be pissing off.

Something like 10 percent of Michigan's voting population has a carry permit. It's no coincidence that gun control is a non-issue in this state.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 08:05 PM (cfSRQ)

130 RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:00 PM

Seriously, it was just one on Amazon.
I forget the brand; ...it's in a closet somewhere.
DEPTECH??
haven't needed it in a year.

Posted by: retropox at June 23, 2019 08:05 PM (+SHyF)

131 Behold my birthday rifle:

http://bit.ly/2RvHZtC

Ordered back on 02/08 and just delivered this week.
Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (yQpMk)
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OK - I'm jealous!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

132
I clean my weapons monthly, being retired makes this very easy, plus it's a small arsenal anyhow.
My carry piece ( the 1911 ) gets a weekly dust and clean. In all the time I've had it there have been no malfunctions.

It goes to an extremely competent gunsmith each year for thorough inspection and whatever he recommends, I do.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2019 08:06 PM (KATBx)

133 What's a good entry-level O/U double trap gun, that isn't a youth model?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:07 PM (t+qrx)

134 In proof that the rich get richer and the rain falls on the just and unjust alike, I accidentally purchased a Galil ARM kit, with a barrel, and an ORF receiver from one of my other fakey internet friends. $500. I wasn't looking for one and it just happened. He decided that he was going to build it and just wanted it out.

I think that one of my friends in meatspace has a son that is a FFL07 and one of the things he builds are Galils.

I'm crossing my fingers that I can get it built out for cheap or free.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (yQpMk)

135 As much as I enjoy my old bolt action and single shot rifles, there is something very satisfying about shooting with a Garand. It's not just the accuracy, although that is a nice bonus. It just feels right for some reason.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (bmdz3)

136 >>>...and that an oiler and thong case be inserted in its butt.”


Not sure where this story's is going.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (CFSlN)

137 OK - I'm jealous!


Good. Gooood. Your envy has made you strong.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (yQpMk)

138
$129 shipped to your house.


HAHAAHAHAHAHAHa
*breathe*
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...

Posted by: Everyone in NY, CA, NJ... at June 23, 2019 08:09 PM (DrqHq)

139 He decided that he wasn't going to build it and just wanted it out.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:09 PM (yQpMk)

140 73 CA ammo buyers, remember, new laws on July 1, and you won't like them.
I fully expect those laws to be overturned, but I have been wrong before, once.
It was a Tuesday, I think...
Meanwhile, it will be a pain in the tush.
Posted by: navybrat, another fine mess at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (w7KSn)

Why do I think that CA will have more than its fair share of master re-loaders as a result of this stupid law?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:09 PM (mEn6y)

141 Congrats, Grump! An Israeli FAL is my #1 dream gun.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 08:10 PM (j4zcI)

142 113
Quick post-cleaning/post-handling tip: get a silicone-impregnated reel
cloth. Give the gun a wipe-down to remove your salty, oily fingerprints,
especially around the grip frame, before you store the gun.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (j4zcI)

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I have one of these. Absolutely use for long-term storage, particularly on the 'satin' finish, which seems to give in to rust pretty easily.

I clean wearing gloves, so that helps to an extent.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 08:10 PM (cfSRQ)

143 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)

144 Yeah, yeah yeah, rub it in, why don't you?

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (WEBkv)
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~$100 for the COE, submitted on a Fryday, had it on Monday, then app to the ATF with a copy sent to the local LEO Chief (i spent the $ for Registered, so i had proof of delivery) and waited for the ATF.

hadn't heard anything after the ~60-90 days i was told to expect, only to find out it had taken, IIRC, ~30 days, but they had typoed in the wrong zip code, and sent it to a non-existent address up by Yosemite.

Fryday on a holiday weekend, but the section supervisor herself got it ungefked and the new one was on its way, to the right address, the next Tuesday, with her personal assurances that the old one had a note in the file that it had never reached the person named, due to the address, in case someone got their hands on it and tried to use it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 08:12 PM (omAHa)

145 Part Two(2) to range visit: 4 clips times 8 rounds per clip equals sore shoulder. At least when the recoil absorber is a tee shirt.
But nothing makes holes like .30 cal.!

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:12 PM (R+3Am)

146 Not sure where this story's is going.





Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (CFSlN)

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Keep going. I'm listening.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (cfSRQ)

147 An Israeli FAL is my #1 dream gun.

$1400 and 12 weeks wait will still get one at DS Arms until they run out of kits. Or, you can buy the kit, receiver and barrel for about $1K if you want to build it yourself. I paid the vigorish because it comes with a warranty if they build it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (yQpMk)

148 143 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)

Good luck, man

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (xJa6I)

149 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)
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Good luck! Not sure I'd have the guts to do that.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

150 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)

Good luck Duke! Tell them to stick it.....nothing ventured nothing gained so they say.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (Z+IKu)

151 left out the part where the total cost for the two documents was ~$150, and renewal is cheap, if you do it on time.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 08:14 PM (omAHa)

152 After a day at the range we would field strip our rifles, wrap the metal parts in a towel and douse them in a trash can filled with boiling water heated by an immersion heater. We would then further clean and oil before putting them back together. The armorer and assistant would inspect upon turning them in. This was stateside. Overseas we, I at least, were pretty particular in the care of our weapons.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 23, 2019 08:14 PM (NsTYX)

153 There are no reasonable restrictions on your rights. Not today, not tomorrow, not any other day.
I see Swallowwell will graciously "Let" us keep our handguns and shotguns... How nice of the tyrant.
All "gun control" laws are unconstitutional. We need to be fighting to get rid of all of them. Shall Not Be Infringed is pretty straight forward.
The whole idea of We the People having guns was to keep our elected servants on the straight and narrow. High time we get back to that.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 23, 2019 08:15 PM (ouR/N)

154 "Behold my birthday rifle"

Sheesh! I don't especially want one of those and I'm still envious. Plus it should be safe from the gun grabbers since it doesn't have the 'thing' that goes up.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 08:15 PM (bmdz3)

155 Good luck to you Duke!!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 08:16 PM (a4qVe)

156 5
How is that mailbox not pockmarked with bullet holes?

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (dCRRg)


Because the crew is still setting up the smoker and the food table.
Patience.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 08:16 PM (sy5kK)

157 144
Yeah, yeah yeah, rub it in, why don't you?



Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (WEBkv)



Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 08:12 PM (omAHa)

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Believe me, I am.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 23, 2019 08:16 PM (cfSRQ)

158 How is that mailbox not pockmarked with bullet holes?

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (dCRRg)
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Holes are on the sides.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

159 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)

What's on the top of your wish franchise list ?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 08:17 PM (2DOZq)

160 What's on the top of your wish franchise list ?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 08:17 PM (2DOZq)
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Stripper dance studio?

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

161 How is that mailbox not pockmarked with bullet holes?

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (dCRRg)


Because the crew is still setting up the smoker and the food table.
Patience.



But Ben Had has already hosted a MoMee.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (fuK7c)

162 Thanks, all. It's a bit unnerving doing this at 52, but I've had it with corporate America. I've made hundreds of millions for the companies I've worked for. Tired of being a number.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (gC2IV)

163 Behold my birthday rifle:

Sweet. That's gonna be a whole lot of fun.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (EgshT)

164 Some bozos at the main intersection in town this last Friday were carrying signs for "Universal Background Checks". Probably from Shaheen's office. RUFKM? This is NH. LFoD!
I think I will engage them in conversation next week.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:19 PM (R+3Am)

165 143 ... Duke, Best of luck on your new venture.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 08:20 PM (bmdz3)

166 $1400 and 12 weeks wait will still get one at DS Arms until they run out of kits. Or, you can buy the kit, receiver and barrel for about $1K if you want to build it yourself. I paid the vigorish because it comes with a warranty if they build it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (yQpMk)

Nice Grump! I have nothing but good things to say about DS Arms. They have great service and their prices have always been reasonable. The upgrades and add-ons for their FAL's are top notch.
Good folks.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 08:22 PM (Z+IKu)

167 I bought a Marlin 39A new when I was 14 in 1967. Now, I've run thousands or tens of thousands of round through that gun in the ensuing 52 years doing nothing but cleaning the barrel. Because of the Gun thread, I decided I needed to break it down and check the receiver. I mean, you can do it with a nickel, who knew? So I did, and it was so clean I could've eaten off of it. (Well, then I'd've had to clean it.) My question: after all I've heard here about .22 ammo being dirty, why wasn't the receiver?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 23, 2019 08:22 PM (w7U7L)

168 silicone-impregnated reel

cloth.
Amazon as usual sells a big array of makes, sizes, prices.....any favorites.

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 08:23 PM (DX4xe)

169 Duke, you can do it. The entrepreneurial spirit is what distinguishes Americans.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:24 PM (R+3Am)

170 Back on topic, if this venture is successful, I'll purchase that sidearm I qualified with when I was a young Marine. Colt M1911.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:25 PM (gC2IV)

171 Dammit, Mark!

Ammo sprawl be dammed! I just clicked "purchase" on a Glock 42.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:25 PM (PkVlr)

172
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:26 PM (KCxzN)

173 Tired of being a number.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (gC2IV)

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I think Bob Seger had a song about that.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 08:26 PM (cfSRQ)

174 Dammit, Mark!

Ammo sprawl be dammed! I just clicked "purchase" on a Glock 42.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:25 PM (PkVlr)
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Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

175 I figure you could torture people by feeding them that godawful seaweed soybean raw fish salad in the previous thread. I'd rather eat a bullet from one of these guns

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 23, 2019 08:27 PM (39g3+)

176
The Left loves "universal" everything.
Kinda like their TOTALitarian, eh?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:27 PM (rozxe)

177 Stripper dance studio?

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

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I need to stop in on this thread more often!

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 23, 2019 08:27 PM (cfSRQ)

178 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)



Now I am the envious one. Rock On!, Brother.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:27 PM (yQpMk)

179 Hi there, AltonJackson.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:28 PM (t+qrx)

180
The Left loves Central Power, don't they.
Central Planning. Central everything.

Who else loved "One World Order" shit??

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:28 PM (rozxe)

181 And good luck Duke!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:28 PM (PkVlr)

182 180
The Left loves Central Power, don't they.
Central Planning. Central everything.

Who else loved "One World Order" shit??
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:28 PM (rozxe)

The Bushes and the Clintons?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (xJa6I)

183

Does craigslist list guns?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (rozxe)

184 171 Dammit, Mark!

Ammo sprawl be dammed! I just clicked "purchase" on a Glock 42.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:25 PM (PkVlr)

This is how it begins....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (xJa6I)

185 Does craigslist list guns?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (rozxe)


No.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (t+qrx)

186 183

Does craigslist list guns?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (rozxe)

Once, yes. Not for a long time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:30 PM (xJa6I)

187 Weasel, Blake and JTB, you're right, there's something just right about the M1. It just feels right. Hefty, solid, great sights. When I shoot it I know I am going to hit the target. With a big fu**ing bullet.
And if that doesn't work, a butt stroke with steel works pretty well, too.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:30 PM (R+3Am)

188 How many guns would a Craigslist, list,
If a Craigslist could list guns?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (39g3+)

189
I just offered a guy on craigslist to buy his leaf vacuum, but only if he delivers it to my house.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (rozxe)

190 So I imagine I will pick up my new baby when I get my 1911 back with the new sights.

Going to be a busy day at the range next Saturday.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (PkVlr)

191 The Bushes and the Clintons?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (xJa6I)


Isn't that "sensible gun control"

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (DX4xe)

192 Nice Grump! I have nothing but good things to say about DS Arms.

I had a SA58 and loved it. Much lead downrange. It had a bit of a learning curve to it, at first. One was finding the best load for the rifle. The other was finding the "sweet spot" on the gas regulator for cycling a particular load. After that, a real treat to own and shoot.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (EgshT)

193 Quote from the Duchess of Lowell:

I believe in you. I signed up for better or worse. If this is what you want to do, that's let's go.

DAMN, I love that woman!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (gC2IV)

194 Does craigslist list guns?

As a matter of policy, no. But you still see people who think they're clever posting ads for "pest control devices" and similar crap.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (qc+VF)

195 Back to last week's intriguing thread for just a hair...

What's odd is that my father and I never hit the range together - and probably never will. It's just not his thing. Quite unusual, I think, given he was in the Army for 30 years. But his MOS was a medical one, and therefore I don't think he handled guns much beyond familiarity training.

I didn't handle guns of any sort until I shot BBs in a Cub Scout camp while living in Germany and there was where the safety rules were absolutely ingrained. Our instructor was a gruff sort in the Army who would read any of us the Riot Act for the slightest infraction. But this was good in retrospect as it taught us respect for the rules.

From there, shooting was a rare thing. I shot air rifles in JROTC. Into adulthood, one of my good buddies from HS set up a range at his parents' home out in the countryside east of San Antonio. His father was a cop, and had a veritable arsenal. He'd come out and join us for shooting from time to time and introduced me to different guns and calibers. It was around this time my wishy washy position towards gun control turned into religious fervor against, with things like this and the reading of Tom Clancy's amazing article "But I LIKE To Shoot". In my late 20s I took up skeet shooting and was super geeked by it - by this time I was in the AF and shooting was a skill I needed.

Eventually I became a gun owner due to a conversation I had with a senior officer for whom I had (and still have) immense respect. He told me that he went out and bought a M9 for his own practice on his own time because just "qualifying" wasn't enough in his view. So the M9 became my first gun. Eighteen months before I first shot with it, I spent many evenings taking it apart and putting it back together so I would know how to do that in my sleep.

Therefore my plunging into guns and shooting was, as far as my family was concerned, sui generis. (It's not that they are anti-gun zealots; they are just all "meh" on the subject.) Anyways, here I am with a modest collection, looking to expand, of course - when the current uncertainty ends.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:32 PM (mEn6y)

196 Nurse R, congrats. It's great to skew the gun ownership numbers. There are actual only about a million owners, but we all have multi-safes.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:33 PM (R+3Am)

197 196 Nurse R, congrats. It's great to skew the gun ownership numbers. There are actual only about a million owners, but we all have multi-safes.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:33 PM (R+3Am)

And if I'm any indication, the safes /safe is to damn small.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 08:34 PM (2DOZq)

198 As a matter of policy, no.

When did that start? I remember looking at ads for pistols at one time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:35 PM (yQpMk)

199
hey hogmartin

looking for a shotgun?

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:36 PM (KCxzN)

200 M1 feels good because it has a quality and history you can't get in a plastic gun. Weight, wood, and whomp.

Posted by: freaked at June 23, 2019 08:37 PM (UdKB7)

201 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:32 PM (mEn6y)
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Thanks for posting that, Catch Thirty-Thr33. Believe it or not I didn't become a gun owner until much later in life.

Careful, Nurse r!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

202 By the way, Nurse, can I interest you in a used canoe? Only sunk once, uhh, twice, uhh, never mind.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:37 PM (R+3Am)

203 Next. I need to get comfortable with concealed carry. I want to carry at Mass.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:37 PM (PkVlr)

204 140 73 CA ammo buyers, remember, new laws on July 1, and you won't like them.
I fully expect those laws to be overturned, but I have been wrong before, once.
It was a Tuesday, I think...
Meanwhile, it will be a pain in the tush.
Posted by: navybrat, another fine mess at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (w7KSn)
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Y'all are going to need all that ammo to fight your way out. If you make it to AZ you'll be OK.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 08:38 PM (CFSlN)

205 RI red,

I have a kayak. I like kayaking. I like to take my firearms kayaking with me. They seem to enjoy it.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:38 PM (PkVlr)

206

Rifle barrel cleaning thoughts, by one of the top barrel makers (Lilja):

http://riflebarrels.com/barrel-fouling/

Apparently, there is a limit to ow clean a bore should be AFTER a shooting session.

Their library of articles is here, and they are all worth reading.

Be aware and forewarned: non-trivial math is present, and expected to be used.

http://riflebarrels.com/barrel-making/


Finally:

Do you live in California, as I do? Then you likely want to spend more than a few dollars on ammunition ... TODAY.

On 01 July, new laws take effect regarding purchasing of ammunition.

Plan on NOT being allowed to buy ammo unless you already have a firearm that uses that caliber (I could be wrong on this, but why find out?). I also assume that there is a limit to the amount that may be purchased per day/week/(some state-mandated time interval)

Naturally, I just got back from purchasing a variety of calibers, and in not-small quantities. I was not alone, in bot being there and in purchasing strategy and quantity. Apparently this has been going on for 2-3 weeks.

I don't see a shortage in the near-term future, although the selection today was unusually low, but the varities of popular calibers were less abundant. I see lots of hassle, and questions, and "no" answers. Spending $70 for a few 50rd boxes of FMJ (of my caliber, and then a caliber or 2 that I don't have) makes sense to me.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 23, 2019 08:39 PM (FlRtG)

207 And if I'm any indication, the safes /safe is to damn small.

"I wish I'd bought the smaller one" said no one, ever.

Some comedienne did a bit railing about "fun sized" Hallowe'en candy. "Since when is smaller more fun?" Pretty sure she wasn't alluding to gun safes though.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:39 PM (qc+VF)

208
Leftism is like the "infection" on The Walking Dead that turns everyone into flesh-eating rotting zombies. It just keeps spreading and spreading....

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:40 PM (rozxe)

209 Speaking of plastic, plastic tractor parts suck. Who thought it was a good idea to make parts like hoods that should have lasted 50 years out of plastic that wont last 15? Kubutoa and JD and I suppose most everyone one else that's who,

Posted by: freaked at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (UdKB7)

210
hogmartin, check Johnson's Sporting Goods in Adrian

www.johnsonsguns.com/

for a small place, they're real good about keeping their inventory up to date at their web number

they traffic in a lot of used stuff & it's usually pretty nice

that Mossberb 20ga we had at the MoMe ws from there

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (KCxzN)

211 Nurse R, the best way to get comfortable carrying is just do it. All the time. Everywhere.
It will raise your level of awareness and responsibility. You'll get so you think about getting something in marine stainless steel for the shower.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (R+3Am)

212 looking for a shotgun?
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:36 PM (KCxzN)


Why, you got one you're not using?

I'd forgotten how much fun trap is.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:42 PM (t+qrx)

213 211 Nurse R, the best way to get comfortable carrying is just do it. All the time. Everywhere.
It will raise your level of awareness and responsibility. You'll get so you think about getting something in marine stainless steel for the shower.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (R+3Am)

That's crazy talk.

Now, the bathroom towel drawer....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:44 PM (xJa6I)

214 Anyone else use Blackhorn powder in their black powder guns? And if you do, what's your cleaning regiment?

Posted by: WVinMN at June 23, 2019 08:44 PM (pV4s0)

215 198 As a matter of policy, no.

When did that start? I remember looking at ads for pistols at one time.


I'm pretty sure it's been the case since I started using Craigslist, which would be 10+ years ago by now.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:45 PM (qc+VF)

216 Clean a gun, like with a cloth?

Posted by: Hillary at June 23, 2019 08:46 PM (kBT1x)

217
Johnson's has a Mossberg 500 20ga for $229

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:47 PM (KCxzN)

218
btw, shouldn't we be mocking the frauds at aclu more, these days?

We don't even bother giving them shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:47 PM (rozxe)

219 Nurse R, the best way to get comfortable carrying is just do it. All the time. Everywhere.
It will raise your level of awareness and responsibility.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (R+3Am)
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excellent advice.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

220
I really think we ought to adopt the phrase "civil liberties" and use it frequently.
That should piss off the fake "liberals."

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:50 PM (rozxe)

221 I'd forgotten how much fun trap is.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:42 PM (t+qrx)

I need to try trap. I've heard it is fun.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:51 PM (mEn6y)

222 Lots of land for sale on ebay in Arizona and Texas, literally in the middle of the nowhere. These Land-locked lots, about a few acres or so, would be selling for, like, $700. No shit.

I toyed with buying a lot....on a lark, as Dad would say.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:06 PM (QU9hs)

Years ago, some friends of mine bought several lots, for peanuts, in some proposed resort development in the middle of Bumfuck Nowhere, New Mexico. Fast forward to now: there is a casino a block away. Land is now worth quite a bundle; still no building commitment.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 08:51 PM (WG6O9)

223 Cleaning: like Weasel, for the most part, depends on platform and how/how much it's been used. Like Mark, my XD now gets cleaned minimally. And speaking of that, my "basic" cleaning now usually consists of wipe down, removing any egregious fouling, and a [dry] snake down the bore several times.


Exceptions are the Mosins, due to use of "corrosive" ammo - boiling water down the bore, then some kind of solvent cleaning, with brush and patches. And the M-1s [two Garands and one carbine] because precious babies that I want to pamper and keep perfect.


Revolver cylinder face fouling is annoying. I have the lead-removal cloth [Weasel - is that the same as "tack" cloth?] I use sparingly [don't want to remove any metal anywhere].


CLP for solvent, plus Frog stuff my Navy SEAL buddy gave me, also foaming bore cleaner when I feel like sorta/not really doing a thorough cleaning. Oh - and Butch's Bore-shine on the rifle bores when they a real cleaning.


Wipe down exterior with silicon cloth every time I handle them. CLP's "COL" formula for outsides of rifles if I won't be using them soon.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 08:51 PM (QDnY+)

224 Johnson's has a Mossberg 500 20ga for $229
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:47 PM (KCxzN)


They do, yes. still looking over the list. Also:

"German Guild Cape gun 16 ga. x 43 mauser double hammer double trigger O/U with dies for the mauser. (Used Good) consigned $2999.99"

...because why not. We sometimes get elephants around here. I think I heard that somewhere.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:52 PM (t+qrx)

225
The author of Scruples is mort. Boy, was that a huge thing for a time (book and movie) when I was a kid.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:52 PM (rozxe)

226 redc, told ya the C ampersand R was a good idea, didn't I?


Let mine lapse [done with buying for now, and reload for ammo].


As for the Ruger Mk I, a handgun, right, so does the C and R really make any difference?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 08:53 PM (QDnY+)

227 Revolver cylinder face fouling is annoying. I have the lead-removal cloth [Weasel - is that the same as "tack" cloth?] I use sparingly [don't want to remove any metal anywhere].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 08:51 PM (QDnY+)
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Yep. I think it's made by Birchwood-Casey, if memory serves.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

228 I have the lead-removal cloth [Weasel - is that the same as "tack" cloth?] I use sparingly [don't want to remove any metal anywhere].


Tack cloth is cheesecloth sort of stuff with sticky on it. It's in the sanding/finishing section of any hardware store. You use it after sanding wood to remove dust before finishing.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:54 PM (t+qrx)

229 btw, shouldn't we be mocking the frauds at aclu more, these days?

We don't even bother giving them shit.


IMO, the best thing they had going for them was the pretense of being nonpartisan. Once they gave that up and it became clear to everyone that the L was for liberals and not liberty, they became irrelevant, just another lefty interest group in a sea of lefty interest groups.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:55 PM (qc+VF)

230 Yep. I think it's made by Birchwood-Casey, if memory serves.
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)


Is it different from ordinary tack cloth?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:55 PM (t+qrx)

231 Clean a gun, like with a cloth?
Posted by: Hillary at June 23, 2019 08:46 PM (kBT1x)

Ummmmmm....Yes. And bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 08:55 PM (Z+IKu)

232 Gotta run. Thanks for the thread Weasel. See y'all next week.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:56 PM (qc+VF)

233

I shoot what I carried in the service--Garand, M14 and 1911.

I will boast a bit here, if I may--I'm VERY good with all 3.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2019 08:57 PM (KATBx)

234
I really think we ought to adopt the phrase "civil liberties" and use it frequently.
That should piss off the fake "liberals."

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:50 PM


if anyone ever makes a negative comment about my NRA hat, I ask them why they don't believe i civil rights & go on to explain that the NRA is the oldest civil rights organization in the country & explain why it was founded

either that, or I tell them the NRA is a government program started by FDR in the '30s

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:57 PM (KCxzN)

235 For cleaning, I clean my guns every time I come back from the range. Maybe it's the AF in me - as we clean our guns every time we are done qualifying - but I also want my guns ready to go at a moment's notice.

I clean them with Hoppe's and they also make a lubricant that I use. I found out the hard way that my Beretta really, really likes lubricant. (One day at the range the Beretta kept jamming and the slide wasn't going forward fully after shots. A RSO checked it out and told me that Berettas need plenty of lubricant to function. So I took his advice and put a good amount of it on the slide after a post-range visit cleaning. No issues since.) I got a cleaning kit, a bag full of cloth squares and the needed solvents/lubricants so I am good to go at all times.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:58 PM (mEn6y)

236 "Clean a gun, like with a cloth? "

I like to clean my barrel every day. Sometimes multiple times. Huma used to help, but she got bored pretty early on.

Posted by: A Weiner at June 23, 2019 08:58 PM (UdKB7)

237 Is it different from ordinary tack cloth?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:55 PM (t+qrx)
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It's a tack cloth with some sort of polishing compound. Not exactly like cheesecloth, though. More like a normal fabric.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

238 Be careful, folks. Trap shooting can be addictive. Especially for those of us too slow to shoot skeet and hit the damn supersonic birds on purpose.

I started trap shooting using one of those H and R single shot 12 gauge. It kicked like a F'ing mule. Then I switched to an old Sears bolt action 12 gauge with a medium choke. It did the job if I did mine. Doesn't take a multi-thousand dollar gun to compete although they may give the shooter an edge.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 08:58 PM (bmdz3)

239 Nurse R, the best way to get comfortable carrying is just do it. All the time. Everywhere.
It will raise your level of awareness and responsibility.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (R+3Am)

I've found that wearing a MAGA hat AND carrying REALLY raises my situational awareness.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 23, 2019 08:59 PM (DXMX0)

240 Gotta run. Thanks for the thread Weasel. See y'all next week.


Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:56 PM (qc+VF)
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Happy to do it. See you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

241 On topic, I use a fair amount of automotive products on my firearms. Brake cleaner is an example. I also use car oils on my eastern bloc milsurps, Mobile 1 and white grease, for example. I figure those two are better than anything they were designed to use.

I have also become a convert to Ballistol for guns I figure are finickier.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (64hgz)

242 Range this week: duty day on Thursday, damn Navy took up all 3 small ranges, so limited fun shooting. Did do a sighting in of the repro Model 1866 Yellow Boy @ 5Oyds - ended up doing no sight adjustment, windage was close enough to true that my own errors probably accounted for all the variance. Also rested and sighted in the Model 66 revolver at 1O yards - need a slight elevation change.


A young first-time shooter/gun-owner came in, I spent a lot of time with him down on the 2-lane mini-range they've put on the side of the trap range for days like that - when all the small ranges are rented out - he had a Sig 229. Very nice piece. He shot the 1O-ring out of 5 targets at about 1O yards. Amazing. He said he's been studying up. Anyway, good to see a new young gun nut in the making [he already is lusting for a 1911, and a Garand].


And - one guy had a stunning Mauser. The metal was beautiful, looked new. From the "custom shop" in Berlin, 1938 I think. Gorgeous industrial art.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)

243 "if anyone ever makes a negative comment about my NRA hat, I ask them why they don't believe i civil rights & go on to explain that the NRA is the oldest civil rights organization in the country & explain why it was founded"

The first gun control laws in this country that I know of were the "Black Codes" - the precursor to Jim Crow. That fact, if better publicized (and taught in school), ought to make the Left a lot more uncomfortable.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (mEn6y)

244 On topic, I use a fair amount of automotive products on my firearms. Brake cleaner is an example. I also use car oils on my eastern bloc milsurps, Mobile 1 and white grease, for example. I figure those two are better than anything they were designed to use.

I have also become a convert to Ballistol for guns I figure are finickier.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (64hgz)
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Absolutely this!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

245 This is the first, and last, time that I'll ever say this: Turn on CNN - they're showing the outstanding 2019 "Apollo 11" documentary now.

Posted by: josephistan at June 23, 2019 09:02 PM (Izzlo)

246
I've found that wearing a MAGA hat AND carrying REALLY raises my situational awareness.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 23, 2019 08:59 PM


if you want to have fun, walk through the Whole Foods in The Peoples' Republik of AnnArbor wearing a NRA hat

you'll feel like Moses parting the Red Sea...people can't get out of your way fast enough

I'm gonna get a IDF t-shirt & walk through there...heads will explode

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 09:03 PM (KCxzN)

247 That lead-removing cloth works very well, I just stopped using it much when I realized I'd be shooting the Model 66 a lot, like all the time, so I'd live with other than pristine cosmetics.


Pretty sure the lube from the lead bullets - only kind the revolver sees - accounts for most of the filth.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:04 PM (QDnY+)

248 Without Liberty, there is no Safety.


I like my Liberty sticks, both the long version, and the pocket version.


The Left thinks the complete opposite.


Because they are lemmings.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 09:05 PM (sy5kK)

249 The Apollo documentary is excellent, I saw it in the theater a few months ago. Recommend watching.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:05 PM (QDnY+)

250
The first gun control laws in this country that I know of were the "Black Codes" - the precursor to Jim Crow. That fact, if better publicized (and taught in school), ought to make the Left a lot more uncomfortable.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM


This.

At their core, all gun control laws are rooted in racism

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 09:05 PM (KCxzN)

251 My favorite Liberty has a trigger safety

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 09:06 PM (xJa6I)

252 The first gun control laws in this country that I know of were the "Black Codes" - the precursor to Jim Crow. That fact, if better publicized (and taught in school), ought to make the Left a lot more uncomfortable.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (mEn6y)


"No, because you see, bleeble blurble party shift mumble blerp. You racistwhite supremacist."

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:06 PM (t+qrx)

253
The first gun control laws in this country that I
know of were the "Black Codes" - the precursor to Jim Crow. That fact,
if better publicized (and taught in school), ought to make the Left a
lot more uncomfortable.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (mEn6y)


Teach actual history in school?

Riight.
But great idea, a new factoid to add to the backpack.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 09:07 PM (sy5kK)

254
although, it is fun to string them along with the "FDR created the NRA in the 1930s" & watch them pull out their phone and bingle it

priceless

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 09:08 PM (KCxzN)

255 I follow the "if it rotates, oil it, if it slides, grease it" principle, more or less.


White silicon grease or the purpose-made red gun grease on Garand, carbine, 1911 slides. And still using up a little can of "general purpose household oil" I found in the garage that dates from the 7Os. Only the rifles and 1911 take much oil, tho I do occasionally oil all the bores on all the gunz.


Live in a dry climate, so, very permissive with these kinds of things.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:09 PM (QDnY+)

256
I am now a big user of Fluid Film.

Stuff goes back to WWII, I think.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 09:09 PM (UN6hn)

257 New shooter at the range today, probably 50 y.o.
Had an AR platform but was shooting a straight wall case with a .357 bullet.
Regular guy was working with him and had his scope zeroed in. First shot on metal - clang! I looked over and smiled. He had a shit eating grin. Another convert.
BTW, any else hear about that round? Supposedly for states that only allow straight walled cartridges for deer.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:10 PM (R+3Am)

258 Mark I'm toying with doing the full disassembly cleaning of my XD9. If I weren't so lazy and busy with other stuff, I would have already. Gunsmiths and the maker will do it, but I sort of want to be able to do the full thing on all my gunz. The CZ-83 has me intimidated, there's one little thing about re-assembling the trigger assembly that's tricky.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:12 PM (QDnY+)

259 No love for Ed's Red?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 09:16 PM (DMUuz)

260 183

Does craigslist list guns?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (rozxe)


Parts and accessories. Try Armslist, instead.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 23, 2019 09:17 PM (di1hb)

261 >>>"FDR created the NRA in the 1930s" & watch them pull out their phone and bingle it

priceless

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 09:08 PM (KCxzN)
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Ha! In old movies you can see the placards in store windows.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:17 PM (CFSlN)

262 Man, I had a question for the group and I'm completely blanking on it now.

If anyone remembers what it was, go ahead and shout it out.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM


What is 400 ft. and 20 knots, Alex?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 09:18 PM (DMUuz)

263 So NZ is taking away guns from private citizens by government edict.


How long until New Zealand is the next Venezuela?


In 1960, when Venezuela was the richest country in the Western hemisphere behind the US and Canada, I'm pretty sure there were a lot of nice Venezuelans who could never imagine their beautiful, bountiful nation would turn into a cesspool of death and suffering in a couple of generations, without a war or a massive natural disaster.

If there were recordings of the time, I am confident they would be parroting the NZ'ers of today.

NZ Frank, you are always welcome here.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 09:18 PM (sy5kK)

264 RI Red- Does that mean my 1886 Winchester in .40/65 (necked down .45/70) is not legal for deer in some ststes?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 23, 2019 09:18 PM (w7U7L)

265 258 Mark I'm toying with doing the full disassembly cleaning of my XD9. If I weren't so lazy and busy with other stuff, I would have already. Gunsmiths and the maker will do it, but I sort of want to be able to do the full thing on all my gunz. The CZ-83 has me intimidated, there's one little thing about re-assembling the trigger assembly that's tricky.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:12 PM (QDnY+)

Honestly, at 30k rounds, I haven't needed a detail clean. Gun still functions fine.

But it would be a nice skill to have.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 09:20 PM (xJa6I)

266 And Grump I hate you [more] - that FN. Wow.


Earlier thread, mentioned there were LE turn-in HiPowers for sale - AIM? One of the usual places, anyway.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:20 PM (QDnY+)

267 I shoot what I carried in the service--Garand, M14 and 1911.

I will boast a bit here, if I may--I'm VERY good with all 3.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2019 08:57 PM (KATBx)
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I'm good with two out of three. Maybe even very good. Don't own an M1A.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 09:21 PM (WEBkv)

268 Earlier thread, mentioned there were LE turn-in HiPowers for sale - AIM? One of the usual places, anyway.


Sadly I missed out on those. I think I need one to complete my larping rig.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:22 PM (64hgz)

269 Mobile 1 and white grease, for example"

My XOM stock thanks you

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 09:23 PM (6qErC)

270 For those who shoot cap and ball black powder revolvers, I use that white silcone grease on the arbor. I find it especially helpful on the Colt reproductions. A good layer will reduce the chance for the cylinder binding up. It also cleans off easily.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:23 PM (bmdz3)

271
it is fun to string them along with the "FDR created the NRA in the 1930s" & watch them pull out their phone and bingle it

Have them watch one of those movies from the 1930's on TCM that start out with an NRA eagle.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 09:23 PM (aKsyK)

272 264 RI Red- Does that mean my 1886 Winchester in .40/65 (necked down .45/70) is not legal for deer in some ststes?
Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 23, 2019 09:18 PM (w7U7L)

Dunno, Chas. I do know you could only shoot deer in RI with slugs, no rifles.
Of course, a rifle round fired E/W would end up in Connecticut.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:24 PM (R+3Am)

273 I have also become a convert to Ballistol for guns I figure are finickier.


Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (64hgz)

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Absolutely this!!


Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

Hitchcock45 uses it too. I saw him do it, and then Weasel recommended it, so I figured, "What the hell!" And they were both correct. it's great.

I think you can brush you teeth with it too...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2019 09:25 PM (wYseH)

274 In 1960, when Venezuela was the richest country in the Western hemisphere behind the US and Canada, I'm pretty sure there were a lot of nice Venezuelans who could never imagine their beautiful, bountiful nation would turn into a cesspool of death and suffering in a couple of generations,


They tried to kill Vice President Nixon in 1958.


Venezuela has always been full of nasty.

Posted by: Miklos, Southern, but not South American at June 23, 2019 09:25 PM (QzkSJ)

275 Ah, OK I remember the question now. Looking for nightstand concealment options, primarily for quick access. There are magnets, which doesn't sound like a great idea because it's not a positive hold and could have unintended effects on items on top of the nightstand. There are various safes, which are a little awkward given where the bed is. The most convenient-looking one (Gunvault SV500) has a handy placement like a hardcover book standing on its edge and hinges downward, but has alarming reports of batteries dying unexpectedly and the electronics don't sound reliable. Finally there are elastic bands that fasten under the nightstand, but they look like they're all cut for ordinary pistols, not one with a TLR-7 hanging on it.

What I'd really like is a barebones Kydex holster for a light-bearing VP9 that has a flat backing that I can just screw into the nightstand, but I have no idea where to find such a thing.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:25 PM (t+qrx)

276 Mark, I think the torture test I watched before buying the XD was 5OK rounds - and much worse treatment/no cleaning, than the way we use them. And actually there aren't all that many moving parts to the frame. More of an OCD thing probably.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:26 PM (QDnY+)

277 They tried to kill Vice President Nixon in 1958.


Venezuela has always been full of nasty.

And people in South America greeted President Eisenhower with enthusiasm a short time before that.

All Latin America has had a love-hate relationship with this country.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:27 PM (mEn6y)

278 Oh, there are some very nice-looking nightstands with concealed safes built in. On a scale from one to ten, that option is tits, but they start at around 500 of your primitive Earth dollars.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:29 PM (t+qrx)

279 I take the Yogi Berra approach to predictions, but I'll guess NZ will not end up Venezuela'd, and the gun thing won't play into that issue either way.



Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:29 PM (QDnY+)

280 Hogmartin, Mrs. Red may have a fake book on her nightstand that opens on her Colt Cobra in .38.
It can be locked, but that sort of defeats the purpose.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:29 PM (R+3Am)

281 "What better way to celebrate my birthday than right here with Planned Parenthood?" @ewarren celebrating backstage at #WeDecide with @SenGillibrand @PPact


Celebrating her BIRTHDAY at PP. These people have zero self awareness.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 09:30 PM (cF8AT)

282 "Teach actual history in school?

"Riight."

Hey, a boy can dream...

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:30 PM (mEn6y)

283 hogmartin I've seen holsters attached to long flat paddles that fit beneath the mattress - weight of mattress + person holds them alongside the bed, right there to reach down and grab - not sure if that kind of arrangement meets your goal or not

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (QDnY+)

284 Celebrating her BIRTHDAY at PP. These people have zero self awareness.
Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 09:30 PM (cF8AT)
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Cognitive Dissonance: In One Act

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (WEBkv)

285
I take the Yogi Berra approach to predictions, but I'll guess NZ will not end up Venezuela'd, and the gun thing won't play into that issue either way.

Two very different societies and geographies.



Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (aKsyK)

286 OT: missed this in the news today hope it's news to you -

"President Trump approved an offensive cyber strike that disabled computer systems used by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to control rocket and missile launches."

_Forbes

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (CFSlN)

287 Hogmartin, Mrs. Red may have a fake book on her nightstand that opens on her Colt Cobra in .38.
It can be locked, but that sort of defeats the purpose.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:29 PM (R+3Am)


You know, I completely blanked on that option. This is a little bigger than a Colt .38, but I'll look into that, thanks. That's also a good place to keep a spare mag and maybe some breath mints or a yo-yo.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (t+qrx)

288 Later all!

Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 09:32 PM (WEBkv)

289 If, however, the reports are true and the U.S. has compromised Iran's networks to the extent that Teheran's core command and control systems are now vulnerable, that changes the dynamics completely.

_Forbes

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:33 PM (CFSlN)

290 Before my eyes close for the evening, thanks to Weasel and all for the gun thread. That stupid elbow is coming along faster than expected so I may get to the range this week.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:33 PM (bmdz3)

291 I think you can brush you teeth with it too...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2019 09:25 PM (wYseH)
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You can! From the Ballistol FAQ:

Is Ballistol non-toxic?

Ballistol does not contain ingredients considered hazardous by the FDA. It does not contain any ingredients which may be harmful for warm-blooded organisms, reptiles or aquatic organisms (if used as directed). If swallowed, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING, ASPIRATION CAN OCCUR. CONSULT A PHYSICIAN IMMEDIATELY.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

292 Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 09:32 PM (WEBkv)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

293 Nice mailbox in German yellow. Got an artillery piece and a flak 88 in German yellow here in Lansing outside the naval reserve building. The little black crosses identify them.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 23, 2019 09:34 PM (MzD6Y)

294 I advised the new shooter this week not to over-clean his gun. For semi-auto handguns [polymer frame, steel upper], a good snaking of the bore and field strip/wipe-down of fouling should suffice, for range use-level of dirtiness. Especially with FMJ ammo.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:34 PM (QDnY+)

295 Before my eyes close for the evening, thanks to Weasel and all for the gun thread. That stupid elbow is coming along faster than expected so I may get to the range this week.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:33 PM (bmdz3)
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My pleasure, pal. Keep working on the elbow!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

296 hogmartin I've seen holsters attached to long flat paddles that fit beneath the mattress - weight of mattress + person holds them alongside the bed, right there to reach down and grab - not sure if that kind of arrangement meets your goal or not
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (QDnY+)


I could maybe wrangle something - it's a mattress-on-slats, not a box spring, so the mattress sits under the edge of the bed frame slightly.

The thing about those (and I looked at maybe redneck engineering one of those in-car rigs to work for the bed or nightstand) is that they presuppose gun, standard, people, for the shooting of. If you're really lucky, they list 1911, Glock, and revolver models. Ones that fit kraut guns with high sights, threaded muzzles, and lights are hen's teeth.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:37 PM (t+qrx)

297 It's always a good evening at the gun thread.
Thanks for putting it together and thanks to Open Blogger for publishing it.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:38 PM (CFSlN)

298 Hiya

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 09:39 PM (htgmn)

299 Billy as I noted when this was discussed yesterday, it is wise to assume we [and others] are engaged in ongoing offense, prep, and vandalism against Tehran on myriad fronts. The cyber aspect is actually one of the best known fronts, for several years now. And it's also safe to assume much of the info is not in the "news", nor ever will be.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:39 PM (QDnY+)

300 297 It's always a good evening at the gun thread.
Thanks for putting it together and thanks to Open Blogger for publishing it.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:38 PM (CFSlN)
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Thanks for stopping by!
(but the open blogger guy is an asshole - ask anybody!)

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

301 hogmartin, I see. Looks you'd have to find a holster and then "adapt" it.


And Weasel, thanks as always for gubs!


Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:41 PM (QDnY+)

302
And Weasel, thanks as always for gubs!

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:41 PM (QDnY+)
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Absolutely my pleasure, amigo. Thanks for being here every week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

303 Mark Edwards Andrew is the guy who says buy ammo.

I'm going to be the guy who says buy body armor .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 09:42 PM (2DOZq)

304 Everybody's leaving? Why is everybody leaving?

Eh, where's the broom, I'll help you police the brass.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:43 PM (t+qrx)

305 And since we're going to get kicked to the curb by the ONT soon, a big hearty thanks to all of you for making this a good time. Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

306 Eh, where's the broom, I'll help you police the brass.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:43 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks bud. You sweep and I'll stack the chairs.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

307 Hogmartin - here's what I use - no holster so pretty much universal, but you may not like how the pistol is positioned.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4e2559z

Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2019 09:45 PM (AMIL/)

308 >>>And it's also safe to assume much of the info is not in the "news", nor ever will be.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:39 PM (QDnY+)
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I'm sure you're correct on all of it but it's so welcomed to hear. *doing happy dance*


"Our US military has long known that we could sink every IRGC vessel in the strait within 24 hours if necessary, and this is the modern version of what the U.S. Navy has to do to defend itself at sea and keep international shipping lanes free."

_Forbes

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:46 PM (CFSlN)

309 I have a pistol under a hat on my dresser. Not much for concealment that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:46 PM (64hgz)

310 Hogmartin - here's what I use - no holster so pretty much universal, but you may not like how the pistol is positioned.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4e2559z
Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2019 09:45 PM (AMIL/)


Oh, that's great, thanks. I've seen that sort of wire prop for standing pistols on a bench or safe; it never crossed my mind to adapt one for the bedside. I bet I could just mount it to the underside of the nightstand with some brackets.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:48 PM (t+qrx)

311 Thoughts/comments:

Does Mrs. Weasel ever comment on the strange taste of her toothbrush?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed what a chick magnet a clean cylinder face is. I honestly thought I was alone on this score.

On plugging before Parkerizing. I used to hot blue. I was taught NOT to plug the barrel, as the first shot would clean out all the blueing. I don't have any experience with Parkerizing. Different process; different result.

Posted by: F at June 23, 2019 09:48 PM (OkG0q)

312 We have a fancy burglar alarm, PLUS WeaselDog. Still, I worry about sleeping through the whole thing.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

313 Hey, next week! Body armor - for pussies or not?

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:49 PM (R+3Am)

314 i grew up with guns. everything i shot at died. you guys are so far over my head i'm lost. i'm no hathcock, but i can still hit shit.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 09:50 PM (KP5rU)

315 Still, I worry about sleeping through the whole thing.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:49 PM (MVjcR)


Weasel dog will take care of that.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:50 PM (CFSlN)

316 Billy, check out July 1987, Op Praying Mantis, for what happens when a non-peer pest gets serious attention. One of the several reason I was almost mocking the talk of "full war" or "long war" yesterday. Wars don't all look, or last, the same.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:51 PM (QDnY+)

317 On plugging before Parkerizing. I used to hot blue. I was taught NOT to plug the barrel, as the first shot would clean out all the blueing. I don't have any experience with Parkerizing. Different process; different result.

Posted by: F at June 23, 2019 09:48 PM (OkG0q)
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The part that caught my attention with Parkerizing is the acid solution will etch the inside of the barrel.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

318 I keep my G19 in a very simple Uncle Mike inside the pants holster. Almost like having no holster as it weighs practically nothing. It's job is just to cover the trigger. I've used one for 25 years .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 09:53 PM (2DOZq)

319 Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (KCxzN)

Hogmartin, Jaqua's down by Toodlee-doo has a good selection also.

Posted by: clutch at June 23, 2019 09:53 PM (kiSdp)

320 chavez, there's all kinds of shooting. I'm a practical accuracy type myself, main interest is in doing whatever needs to be done for a given situation/gun. In trap, shatter the clays; in handguns, hit center mass/steel target reliably; in rifle, minute-of-human-torso @ 1OO-15O yds. Done.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:54 PM (QDnY+)

321 Well, as much as I hate to go, I'm going to.
Weasel, THX, as always. And tell Mrs. W that it's just the water.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:55 PM (R+3Am)

322 I'm a moderate DIYer, but parkering at home has never crossed my mind. Cool, though. Love the finish on the Garand metal.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:55 PM (QDnY+)

323 Well, as much as I hate to go, I'm going to.
Weasel, THX, as always. And tell Mrs. W that it's just the water.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:55 PM (R+3Am)
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Will do pal! Adieu!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

324 Weasel - "adieu" - ha!!

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:56 PM (QDnY+)

325 Hogmartin - I have a Hornady RAPiD-SAFE on my nightstand. I have a full size 1911 and an extra mag in it. (They make a smaller model as well). There are two ways to open it:1. Digital number pad: and,2. RFID chip (on the supplied wrist band or the supplied "RFID coins."
It has an AC power supply - with battery backup for the electronics.
You can (and I did), bolt it to a wall stud with the supplied cable.
I bought mine because I have young grandkids around all the time. I really like it.

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 23, 2019 09:56 PM (dn8lZ)

326 Appetizers and wine done .

Weasel, well done on the email. I will pass all the info along.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (ung8t)

327 Hogmartin, Jaqua's down by Toodlee-doo has a good selection also.
Posted by: clutch at June 23, 2019 09:53 PM (kiSdp)


Total Firearms in Mason has a decent collection of used longarms too, especially shotguns. I just don't know what to look for in a trap gun, so I don't know where to start.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (t+qrx)

328 320: shot trap. i sucked. skeet, i killed it. i love skeet. targets, i am good enough to survive until the shit runs out.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (KP5rU)

329 July 1987, Op Praying Mantis<<<

Read it.

When you punch them and they know you will punch them again harder they rethink their position.

Did some entity send us a sternly worded letter?
Probably so. What did Reagan do with it?
File 13.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (CFSlN)

330 Weasel - "adieu" - ha!!


Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:56 PM (QDnY+)
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You know - the damn thing is I looked it up to check the spelling and thought: that's a stupid saying - I never cease to amaze me.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

331 Guess I'd better do one more check of ammo to see if there's anything I should pick up before the newest idiotic CA law takes effect - but I've done more checks than Mission Control before a moon-shot, fairly confident I'm covered [reload almost everything I shoot, and have a good stash of factory in all calibers]. Maybe one more can of 45 Colt, to give me my brass for reloading that, which will begin soon [1866 is a fun, purdy, HEAVY, little rifle].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:59 PM (QDnY+)

332 I have a Hornady RAPiD-SAFE on my nightstand. I have a full size 1911 and an extra mag in it.
Posted by: Spankmeister at June 23, 2019 09:56 PM (dn8lZ)


That's good (and I like Hornady), but it looks like they open from the top? I keep stuff on my nightstand, so I'd need a drawer or under-top solution.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:59 PM (t+qrx)

333 Weasel, well done on the email. I will pass all the info along.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (ung8t)
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Thanks! I'll start on the other stuff this week.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

334 Adios, au revoir, Auf Wiedersehn, till we meet again...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 10:00 PM (6qErC)

335 Parkerize a revolver?

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 10:00 PM (CFSlN)

336 334 Adios, au revoir, Auf Wiedersehn, till we meet again...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 10:00 PM (6qErC)

Later Gator

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 10:00 PM (2DOZq)

337 Thanks agin Sir Weasel!

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (dn8lZ)

338 Ben Had - you're making your own wine now?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (QDnY+)

339 ONT is up. 'night!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

340 Weasel, you just need to watch the 'Sound of Music" and you will get the adieu's
straight.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 10:02 PM (ung8t)

341 Flash Email Traffic: Star Model BM SA 9mm Semi-Auto, 4" barrel, 8 Rd Mag, Original Box - Surplus - Good / Very Good Overall.

$175 for the next two hours.

http://bit.ly/2Rs1Vh2

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 10:07 PM (yQpMk)

342 Grump, you are good at torturing those behind the Idiocy Curtain [in CA] who can't buy such great cheap toys.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 10:11 PM (QDnY+)

343 Oh dear ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hog Buying at Market Critic ... at June 23, 2019 10:11 PM (LPnfS)

344 Anti-NOOD.

(Seriously, the ONT was up but it's gone.)

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 10:11 PM (ta49A)

345 ONT B Gone ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hog Buying at Market Critic ... at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (LPnfS)

346 I guess the ONT violated some Twitter/Facebook snowflake rules.

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (P1f+c)

347 ONT or No NT?

Posted by: Rex B at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (RFMGT)

348 337 Thanks agin Sir Weasel!

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (dn8lZ)
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Anytime Spankmeister! Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (MVjcR)

349 NOOD, take two.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 10:13 PM (ta49A)

Food Thread: It May Be Hokey, But Poke Is Good!

pokebowl.jpg

I like raw fish, and raw tuna is one of the better ones. But it can get boring (and expensive). Over the last several years I have seen an explosion of "Poke," which is nothing more than Hawaiian for a raw fish mix-in. Lots of stuff besides the fish, so you can fill up on rice and edamame and seaweed salad and crunchy vegetables, instead of expensive fish. But that isn't a criticism...far from it. The combination of flavors and textures is a pleasure, and I will be making this often!

The one in the photo is on a base of lettuce, but mine was on a base of sushi rice, which I think is just perfect for this dish. And no, I didn't make it. I went to Whole Foods and bought a small container of it from their sushi bar for a couple of bucks. Sometimes it makes sense to buy rather than make!

Next time I am going to add something crunchier than the seaweed salad (yeah, I bought that too); maybe cashew nuts or peanuts. But it doesn't really matter what goes into it as long as it pleases your palate.

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Last week's link to the great article about BBQ as a school sport in Texas was sent to me by lurker and hopefully soon-to-be-commenter "Satrose." My apologies for screwing that up.
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Admit it, this would have been great at your wedding! I love the idea of dipping wings (or ribs) into it, although double-dipping would be problematic.

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Speaking of double-dipping (the food kind, not the corrupt politician kind), what are your thoughts? I do it in my own home, but wouldn't dream of it anywhere else. I figure my guests can tolerate my own slobber, but I won't plague them at their homes. And in public? Yech!
[Hat Tip: ibguy]

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I love roasted peppers, and this looks like a fun variation for them to be used as appetizers. Of course my favorites are Shishito peppers, which when done well are absolutely spectacular. Hell, when they are done badly they are good.

Dinner Party Balsamic Roasted Mini Peppers

I prefer my peppers with a bit of heat, so I might try this recipe with whatever mild peppers I can find.

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This is exactly the kind of thing that I will make...once. It looks like loads of fun, but at the end of the day I would rather spend my time on more substantial things. Okay...maybe twice, because those jalapeno shots look great!

DIY EDIBLE SHOT GLASSES

One of my guilty pleasures is a salt-rimmed glass for Margaritas, or last Thursday's spicy salt rim! Yeah...it was really good, and complimented the spicy Margarita very well. So that rim of "Tajin" on the jalapenos is intriguing.
[Hat Tip: artisanal'ette]

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I'm not sure about the "Frito Pie," but most of the others in this list look pretty damned good. There's nothing new on the list (except "kolaches." What the hell are they?), it's more of a culinary trip down memory lane. They are mostly old standards, and that is a good thing.

Texans Share Their 31 Favorite Iconic Recipes

And there is Chicken-Fried Steak, which is God's gift to those who may have imbibed a bit too much the night before.

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I love sausages of any kind* and will gleefully order them at every opportunity, buy them when they look good, and happily eat them every day. But making them is a different story. I've done it, and it's difficult. Not the grinding and spicing part, but the stuffing part. It's a skill, and don't let anyone convince you that it is an easy one. But it is so damned tempting!

Homemade Sausage Recipes

Who among you maniacs makes sausage? And let's kick it up a notch and discuss cured sausages, which is one of the glories of the culinary arts!

*Except andouillette, which is disgusting.

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One Dollar Grilled Cheese.jpg

[Hat Tip: Tami]
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Food and cooking tips, triple-cream cheeses, young wild pigs, crisp bacon, thick and fluffy pita, and good tomatoes that aren't square, pale pink and covered with Mestizo E.coli: cbd dot aoshq at gmail dot com. Any advocacy of French Toast with syrup will result in disciplinary action up to and including being nuked from orbit. And yes, shaking a Manhattan is blasphemy...it's in the Bible!

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1 Chow time!

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:00 PM (BbGew)

2 Rabbit food.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 04:02 PM (I5SAg)

3 Corgis dutifully called

I detest double dipping

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:02 PM (BbGew)

4 "But it doesn't really matter what goes into it as long as it pleases your palate."

Heh. Heh heh heh. Heh heh.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 04:03 PM (NWiLs)

5 Great content, love the Texas link.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 04:03 PM (U7k5w)

6 Food. Food is good.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:04 PM (gC2IV)

7 I do like cream cheese and chive dip and should make some to go with burgers soon.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:05 PM (BbGew)

8 Hahaha, that grilled cheese truck!

"No change give, sort out your own shit"

"Don't ask for a tomato slice or I swear to God I will reach through the window, pull you inside, and hold your head against the grill..."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 04:05 PM (kQs4Y)

9 I made a tasty, tasty t-bone for lunch. It's been too long, baby!

I marinaded it overnight in a packet of Montreal Steak mix and broiled it to perfect medium doneness. Had a glass of Zin with it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 04:07 PM (kQs4Y)

10 The grilled cheese truck is hilarious.

Re sausage: I have never yet made it, but there's a sausage recipe in a Nero Wolfe novel I may try after I retire. It is named "saucisse minuit" and calls for goose, pheasant and pork. One or two brave souls online have made it and reported back that it was delicious.

Posted by: Dr Alice at June 23, 2019 04:07 PM (gKjjH)

11 Home made would at least let you know what's in it

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:08 PM (BbGew)

12 Goose and pheasant are kind of hard to come by here. Maybe if I was a poacher on a great British estate, I would have better luck.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 04:09 PM (I5SAg)

13 Last week's link to the great article about BBQ as a school sport in Texas was sent to me by lurker and hopefully soon-to-be-commenter "Satrose." My apologies for screwing that up.

I know who Satrose is. I'm glad she wrote in about BBQ and hope she will write more. She is on the prayer list for a praise report. Her husband after many years of married life has been coming to church with her for the past six months, and we are continuing to pray for him that his faith in the Lord grows and deepens.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2019 04:10 PM (ivkO2)

14 Ha. I honestly thought it was the Southern poke at first.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 04:10 PM (Lwfjs)

15 I hope Justice Thomas is eating healthily.


71 yo today.

Posted by: Ha at June 23, 2019 04:10 PM (MAstk)

16 Nobody gets out of here alive.

Posted by: Son of the Living God at June 23, 2019 04:12 PM (I5SAg)

17 So I am about to go to a BBQ at my neighbor's house. My son is coming along. They are lovely people and have a beautiful garden and a pond with frogs. My son is interested in native plants. He said "I hope you are not going to talk about politics. mom!" because he knows they are liberal Dems-no, not leftists and I am glad of an opportunity to socialize without talking about politics.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2019 04:12 PM (ivkO2)

18 Kolachkes are what every Czech restaurant around here serves for dessert. They seem to come in different forms but they're basically a cookie with fruit or cheese on it. Here's what they look like here.

http://tinyurl.com/y3jsm2vg

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 04:13 PM (K22Va)

19 poke - i see lettuce, carrot, radish & avocado. where's the fish, clara 2019?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 04:13 PM (Pg+x7)

20 16 Nobody gets out of here alive.
Posted by: Son of the Living God at June 23, 2019 04:12 PM (I5SAg)

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Why, did you bring salmon mousse?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:13 PM (gC2IV)

21 You know, a thread about foods that have to be harvested and eaten at the correct time lest they turn poisonous could be interesting.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 04:13 PM (Lwfjs)

22 Speaking of double-dipping (the food kind, not the corrupt politician kind), what are your thoughts? I do it in my own home, but wouldn't dream of it anywhere else.


People are ridiculous about human germs. If you know you're incubating avian flu it's definitely rude to get your germs on stuff. But all this worry about sharing a sip from a bottle?

Humans who are sexually attracted to each other will immediately stick their tongues down each others' throats before they know the other's last name. Germophobia is very situational.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 04:14 PM (fuK7c)

23 Okay. I took the Horde's advice, scary, I know. I took the plunge and got some Black Rifle Coffee. Beyond Black roast.
Holy smokes it's the best coffee I've ever had. Rich, dark, no acid taste and gives the right buzz to wake me up.
Great company, check out their you tube videos, and buy the coffee.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at June 23, 2019 04:14 PM (TkuZ0)

24 Did I just kill the thread?

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at June 23, 2019 04:16 PM (TkuZ0)

25 where's the fish, clara 2019?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 04:13 PM (Pg+x7)

Look carefully. And who the hell is clara?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2019 04:17 PM (wYseH)

26 tuna salad platter - tuna salad (or chicken salad), potato salad, cole slaw, on lettuce with olives, cucumbers, peppers, onions, and a hard-boiled egg.

classic diner fare.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 04:17 PM (Pg+x7)

27 Way to go, Winston. Jeez!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:18 PM (gC2IV)

28 A good Frito pie is a fine thing, but that thing they have in the picture ain't it. It needs more chile, some pickled jalapenos and to be served in a Frito bag.

Posted by: huerfano at June 23, 2019 04:19 PM (6e1eX)

29 Octopus Poke is damn fine food.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 04:19 PM (M1n0C)

30 I was getting worried there for a minute.
I don't even know Willow.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at June 23, 2019 04:19 PM (TkuZ0)

31 If you get the Black Rifle sampler subscription, Mat Best will give you a personal lap dance. True!

Coming out as a Conservative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkL4lVMJqDk

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 04:19 PM (kQs4Y)

32

Who among you maniacs makes sausage? And let's kick it up a notch and
discuss cured sausages, which is one of the glories of the culinary
arts!
I make fresh sausages for the year in winter. When you say cured do you mean smoked sausages with a cure mixed in or raw cured charcuterie?

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 04:20 PM (K22Va)

33 Hahaha, that grilled cheese truck!

"No change give, sort out your own shit"

"Don't ask for a tomato slice or I swear to God I will reach through the window, pull you inside, and hold your head against the grill..."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes


I think the other one says "Cash Only: I don't have Venmo because I'm not some teenage asshole who vapes".

I didn't realize Venmo was a big enough thing to snark about. I thought all the food trucks used Square.

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2019 04:20 PM (P1f+c)

34 Omg! I LOVE poke!

I make my own. I use either salmon or tuna.

I put the poke in a bowl and then offer bowls of matchstick cut cucumber, radish and carrot. Slice and avocado . Then a bowl of sushi rice, and some sauces. Huli huli is a fave. As is a hot chili paste.

Get some of the rectangular cut dried seaweed snacks, and presto! Call the kids and it's all gone in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 04:20 PM (PkVlr)

35 29 Octopus Poke is damn fine food.
Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 04:19 PM (M1n0C)

It would be a damn fine band name too.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 04:20 PM (kQs4Y)

36 Humans who are sexually attracted to each other will immediately stick their tongues down each others' throats before they know the other's last name

Nope; I can't say I've ever stuck my tongue down somebody's throat without knowing their last name, but I'm kind of old school that way. Besides if I were to stick my tongue down the throats of everyone I found sexually appealing it would not be a good thing. "Hi, Rev So and So. You are a very handsome man and I'm glad that I can get to your Saturday service . Mind if I stick my tongue down your throat after the service is over?" Uhhhh no. Ain't happening.

However. I do agree that people can people a little overwrought about germs.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2019 04:21 PM (ivkO2)

37 >>>Octopus Poke is damn fine food

hey!...did you and your dad have fun this week fishing?

Posted by: trapper's girl at June 23, 2019 04:21 PM (4fOQa)

38 Kolache are Polish/Czeck/Bohemian pastry/cookie.
I have 2 different recipes from my great grandma who came to the USA at age 5.
These treats are delicious but the fruit fillings are getting difficult to find.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 04:21 PM (a4qVe)

39 Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 04:20 PM (K22Va)

Raw cured....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2019 04:22 PM (wYseH)

40 the slogan "where's the beef?" came from an ad campaign for wendy's (i think) starring an old lady named clara peller who complained about the size of other burgers by asking "where's the beef". it became a national catchphrase for questioning the substance of an assertion, even entering the political debates at the time. it made clara peller a star.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 04:22 PM (Pg+x7)

41 Poke Salad Annie

https://tinyurl.com/yy7ojret

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 04:22 PM (mpXpK)

42 I had a poke recently that was almost all tuna -- certainly no garbonzo beans -- with sesame seeds and little bits of green onion. What got me was a seasoning I couldn't place, so I can't reverse engineer it.

It's really good and I need a change. I eat a lot of sushi but there have to be more flavors than soy and wasabi.

There's a Japanese grocery near me that is so authentic that 3/4 of the products don't have English on the labels. I wish I knew how to use them.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 04:22 PM (fuK7c)

43 I saw Octopus Poke open for Motley Crue at the Whiskey A Go Go in '81.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:23 PM (gC2IV)

44 Thought about trying BR coffee.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:23 PM (BbGew)

45 Octopus Poke is damn fine food

I thought it was Greek? You know, Octopus Rex.

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 04:23 PM (T6t7i)

46 Why, did you bring salmon mousse?
Nobody was touching the potato salad left out all day in the sun.

Posted by: Son of the Living God at June 23, 2019 04:23 PM (I5SAg)

47 @40 is correct. It *was* Wendy's and Clara Peller belted it out nicely...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 04:24 PM (7s3Gx)

48 I had Andouillette in Normandy. I can confirm that it is disgusting.

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 04:24 PM (T6t7i)

49 CBD, kolaches are a treasure from the old Czechoslovakia. Sweet, light yeast dough with a divot that is filled with apple, cherry, pineapple, poppyseed, plum or cream cheese filling, and then covered with butter streusal and baked to golden sweet perfection.

Some bakeries add a powdered sugar glaze, but that is gilding the lily to my mind.

West, Texas has three places to stop and buy kolaches if you are on I-35 between Waco and Dallas/Fort Worth. That and a cup of strong coffee, plus a kielbasy is truly a superb breakfast.

Posted by: Moki at June 23, 2019 04:24 PM (mFoNl)

50 I love Poke, but the closest place I can get it is a half-hour drive away. I guess maybe I should learn to make it myself.

First had it in Hawaii; it was gas-station convenience store food there. I love to discover dishes like that.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 04:25 PM (BpS6n)

51 All this talk of sausage reminds me that I need to quit screwing around and do a test batch of andouille. Casings are in the fridge and I just need to get on down to the local mart and pick up some pork butt and some spare fat.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 04:25 PM (7s3Gx)

52 I just need to get on down to the local mart and pick up some pork butt and some spare fat.

How do you know when Lena Dunham will be there?

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 04:26 PM (T6t7i)

53 Anyone who purchases a grilled cheese sandwich is a extra-loveable human that doesn't deserve an opinion.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 04:28 PM (DrqHq)

54 Bander,

Sesame oil and ginger. Plus fish sauce, soy and a little sugar. I also like lime and a little lime zest, but not much. And some fresh green onions, veeeery thinly sliced.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 04:28 PM (PkVlr)

55 Last night I was watching a guy making crab cakes on triple D and it gave me quite the hankering. Except I had no crab meat. So I substituted Swanson chunk white chicken in my crab cake recipe. It actually turned out pretty well. Or I may have been drunk. Either or.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:29 PM (gC2IV)

56 I've never had poke...never even heard of it and I've been to Hawaii several times. How'd I miss that?

Do I have to leave the thread?

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 04:29 PM (cF8AT)

57 I made a tortellini pasta salad yesterday that has been in the fridge for tonight. Cheese tortellini, salami, grape tomatoes, mozzarella balls marinated in Italian dressing, black olives and artichoke hearts. I will pick and cut up some fresh basil before serving. Flank steak has been marinating in teriyaki for the broiler. This is the menu this evening.

Oh, and home made vanilla ice crème.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 04:29 PM (xzK3J)

58 47: back in 1984 when the "where's the beef?" campaign aired, i don't think anyone ate or even knew what sushi was.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 04:29 PM (Pg+x7)

59 Lots of goodies in this post.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 23, 2019 04:30 PM (vEIlU)

60 I despise raw fish of any kind, cooked fish I can barely tolerate, but to each his own.

Manhattan and Martinis should always be stirred to prevent them from becoming a cloudy mess when you shake them.

Two cherries in the Manhattan and one olive in my Martinis please.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 04:30 PM (Z+IKu)

61 Well I went back and looked at the Texas foods, and some of those look like awful representations of spectacular food. Also, the kolaches look nothing like the West, Texas kolaches. West's are much, much better.

Posted by: Moki at June 23, 2019 04:31 PM (mFoNl)

62 Raw cured....

Check this site out when you have time, it's not well laid out so you'll have to search a little. They sell bags and tubes you fill with raw meat with a cure and leave it on a rack in your fridge until it loses 40% of it's weight. I've made 3 kinds of salami and a couple capicolas. I thought they tasted very good. Go the traditional way and you have to find a cave in Italy or build some kind of chamber where you can control the humidity and temps, which is a huge pain in the you know what. I used Michael Ruhlman's 2 books for recipes and was really happy with them.

http://tinyurl.com/yanp92bn

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 04:31 PM (K22Va)

63 the slogan "where's the beef?" came from an ad campaign for wendy's (i think)

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Holy crap, you really are 29.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 04:31 PM (SYNdr)

64 57 I made a tortellini pasta salad yesterday that has been in the fridge for tonight. Cheese tortellini, salami, grape tomatoes, mozzarella balls marinated in Italian dressing, black olives and artichoke hearts. I will pick and cut up some fresh basil before serving. Flank steak has been marinating in teriyaki for the broiler. This is the menu this evening.

Oh, and home made vanilla ice creme.
Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 04:29 PM (xzK3J)

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What time should we be there?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:32 PM (gC2IV)

65 Today is "Souvlaki Sunday"
The dinner menu is pork tenderloin souvlaki, homemade tzadzki, homemade pitas, salad and roasted potatoes.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 04:32 PM (a4qVe)

66 No Poke mon.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 04:32 PM (PxX58)

67 At the Reading Fightin Phillies the other week saw they had hamburgers on what looked like a grilled cheese sandwich

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:32 PM (BbGew)

68 back in 1984 when the "where's the beef?" campaign aired, i don't think anyone ate or even knew what sushi was.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 04:29 PM (Pg+x7)

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Here in the South we were still wondering what bagels were.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 04:33 PM (SYNdr)

69 I just made white chicken chili for dinner. Hubby was gone this weekend and won't be back until about 8 tonight. Needed a crockpot dinner that would keep until then.

Oh and I'm using homemade broth. Smells good.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 04:34 PM (cF8AT)

70 back in 1984 when the "where's the beef?" campaign aired, i don't think anyone ate or even knew what sushi was.


1984 is when I was introduced to sushi. I can place it exactly. Circles Restaurant on Prospect Park. Catherine U_____ took me there. Best tits I've ever been intimate with.

She also turned me on to Milan Kundera. I guess I didn't pass her audition, but I got some nice stuff out of that.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 04:34 PM (fuK7c)

71 58 47: back in 1984 when the "where's the beef?" campaign aired, i don't think anyone ate or even knew what sushi was.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 04:29 PM (Pg+x7)

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I did.

Posted by: SMH at June 23, 2019 04:34 PM (RU4sa)

72 I guess you can't take out the fish and cook it before you put it back in the poke bowl? I like fish, not raw fish but son will go to the sushi place and order the sashimi and sushi platter which is all raw fish.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2019 04:35 PM (ivkO2)

73 Best sushi I had was in Nanakuli when I was going to high school there.

Posted by: SMH at June 23, 2019 04:35 PM (RU4sa)

74 Yeah - We poked them up.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 04:36 PM (M1n0C)

75 Ahi poke is the best.

Posted by: SMH at June 23, 2019 04:36 PM (RU4sa)

76 back in 1984 when the "where's the beef?" campaign aired, i don't think anyone ate or even knew what sushi was.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp
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Here in the South we were still wondering what bagels were.
Posted by: Moron Robbie


When Minnesotans first heard of sushi, we were all "Raw fish? NOT soaked in lye? Da heck you say..."

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2019 04:37 PM (P1f+c)

77 >>Ahi poke is the best.


Baby Yellowfin makes a good poke, too.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 04:38 PM (M1n0C)

78 I like raw fish, and raw tuna is one of the better ones. But it can get boring (and expensive). Over the last several years I have seen an explosion of "Poke," which is nothing more than Hawaiian for a raw fish mix-in.

My sister sent me a link today of what she is making for dinner. From her Eating Well magazine - Maui's Greener Side. Coconut-Macadamia Nut Encrusted Ahi with Tropical Salsa (pineapple, mango, papaya and/or dragon fruit-based) and Peanut Sauce. Fits in nicely with this part of the post. Sounds delicious, but lots of moving parts.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 23, 2019 04:38 PM (vEIlU)

79 I like sea urchin sushi, uni.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 04:38 PM (kQs4Y)

80
Nope on double-dipping in public.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 23, 2019 04:38 PM (vEIlU)

81 Ahi poke is the best.

Oh?

Posted by: Toro Toro Toro at June 23, 2019 04:38 PM (fuK7c)

82 I used to have a snowflake moray eel that I raised from the size of a pencil to over two feet long. His name was Dinsdale. I hand fed him raw shrimp and bits of raw fish. He ate sushi. I won't.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:39 PM (gC2IV)

83

Busy making a quick potato salad. Decided last minute. Just pulling out the various sized potatoes from the pot as they are ready. A few more to go.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 23, 2019 04:39 PM (vEIlU)

84 Tore UP some Dominoes pizza last night!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 04:40 PM (MVjcR)

85 I just learned that sea urchin roe is actually GONADS!

o_O

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 04:40 PM (kQs4Y)

86 >>Busy making a quick potato salad. Decided last minute. Just pulling out the various sized potatoes from the pot as they are ready.


JackStraw just emailed and said to leave the Pot in there!

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 04:40 PM (M1n0C)

87 Appetizers tonight- After we ride a little there will be smoked trout on rosemary crackers, peppered salami and gruyere cheese and chicken livers fired in onion and garlic.

And of course wine.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 04:41 PM (z02nf)

88 84 Tore UP some Dominoes pizza last night!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 04:40 PM (MVjcR)

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With pineapple on it?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:41 PM (gC2IV)

89 Duke - was it in the bathtub or swimming pool?

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:41 PM (BbGew)

90 i don't care *how* you dress it up, feesh, is not, repeat NOT, food.

it is fertilizer for plants you feed to food.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 04:41 PM (tKIE9)

91 Dinsdale.....DINSDALE!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 04:41 PM (kQs4Y)

92 Anyone here have an electric smoker? My husband FINALLY put together the one his mother gave us two Christmases ago. We're going to use it on the 4th. I'm thinking brisket, ribs and salmon. His nephew will do the honors.

Any tips? Any good site links? Am I being too aggressive with the different meats?

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 04:42 PM (cF8AT)

93 Texans Share Their 31 Favorite Iconic Recipes


I'm sure I'm not alone in saying we've all made pretty much everything in that list. (except the drinks)

All good stuff.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 23, 2019 04:42 PM (vEIlU)

94
With pineapple on it?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:41 PM (gC2IV)
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Negative.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 04:42 PM (MVjcR)

95 I'm also doing potato salad for tonight. Can't decide whether to go the mayonnaise route or vinaigrette.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 04:42 PM (BpS6n)

96 *pokes salad*

Um...it's not supposed to move like that is it?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 04:42 PM (NWiLs)

97 Skip, I had a 175 gallon aquarium. Still do, but it's in the basement, empty. Marine aquariums are great, but time consuming.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:43 PM (gC2IV)

98 95 I'm also doing potato salad for tonight. Can't decide whether to go the mayonnaise route or vinaigrette.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 04:42 PM (BpS6n)

Do German because...bacon.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 04:44 PM (cF8AT)

99 Anyone here have an electric smoker? My husband FINALLY put together the one his mother gave us two Christmases ago. We're going to use it on the 4th. I'm thinking brisket, ribs and salmon. His nephew will do the honors.

Any tips? Any good site links? Am I being too aggressive with the different meats?
Posted by: Tami


amazingribs.com

and yes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 04:44 PM (DrqHq)

100 I just learned that sea urchin roe is actually GONADS!

o_O

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes


So you expected something that was both "gourmet" and "Japanese" to be normal?

Of course it's testicles and ovaries! It would be brains, too, if sea urchins had them.

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2019 04:45 PM (P1f+c)

101 No fish. 6pm.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 04:45 PM (xzK3J)

102

Greg Gutfeld had this segment on this weekend's show. Foodie related.

Canadian Grocery Store Shames Customers For Plastic Bag Use
https://tinyurl.com/y3f3nynl
This is the video segment. This show is getting better and better. I try to never miss it.

Colon Care
Adult Video

eh, what are they thinking?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 23, 2019 04:46 PM (vEIlU)

103 *pokes salad*

Um...it's not supposed to move like that is it?

Posted by: Insomniac


*passes dressing*

Here, drown it first if it bothers you.

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2019 04:46 PM (P1f+c)

104 I lived right down the street from Yama's Fish Market in Honolulu. Fresh poke by the pound!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 04:46 PM (kQs4Y)

105 Any tips? Any good site links? Am I being too aggressive with the different meats?
Posted by: Tami

amazingribs.com

and yes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 04:44 PM (DrqHq)

:'(

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 04:47 PM (cF8AT)

106

We're bbq'ing chicken thighs on the grill tonight. It is way too nice out to not use the grill, and have a beer.

Bought Turbot fish this week. It's in season and in my local store.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 23, 2019 04:48 PM (vEIlU)

107 Yay food thread - Thanks, CBD!

And thank you for the Hat Tip

We've been on a low/lower carb kick since last summer, been trying some new things.

Brunch today included low carb pancakes made with almond and coconut flour, cream cheese, some other things.

Pretty good, but VERY tender, bordering on fragile. May have to play with that.

Posted by: ibguy at June 23, 2019 04:48 PM (EHVbt)

108 I just love that I live near a small airport that is a military refueling station!!!!!

Windows wide open. I love the sound of freedom.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 04:48 PM (xzK3J)

109 Anyone here have an electric smoker? My husband FINALLY put together the one his mother gave us two Christmases ago. We're going to use it on the 4th. I'm thinking brisket, ribs and salmon. His nephew will do the honors.

-

If you haven't used it yet go buy a chicken and smoke it sometime this week just to make sure everything works like it should. Plus smoked chicken is a good supper.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 04:49 PM (Lwfjs)

110 Anyone here have an electric smoker? My husband FINALLY put together
the one his mother gave us two Christmases ago. We're going to use it
on the 4th. I'm thinking brisket, ribs and salmon. His nephew will do
the honors.



Any tips? Any good site links? Am I being too aggressive with the different meats?

My brother and a few buddies have them and they like them because it takes like a 4oz. piece of wood to smoke a full smoker of meat. Also they're a set it and forget it thing once you figure it out. I have a wood burning smoker and a pork shoulder takes at least 10 hours, which is a lot of beer.

amazingribs.com is a good site.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 04:49 PM (K22Va)

111 yup: keep eating that raw feesh. we'll be reading about you in journals, or seeing you talked about on TV.

https://casereports.bmj.com/content/
2017/bcr-2016-218857.full?
sid=f8ee22cb-e938-4579-90e4-
37a2f2e02545#ref-2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
SZIVosxj7a8

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 04:49 PM (tKIE9)

112 At the Reading Fightin Phillies the other week saw they had hamburgers on what looked like a grilled cheese sandwich
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My mom (who was not a good cook) made some kind of hamburger spread on white bread that she put under the broiler -- meat broiled, bread toasted, and we kids went crazy for it. The dogs didn't get any which was the sign of a home run in mom's culinary adventures and there were a few that the dogs wouldn't even eat, so I think I will try to replicate something like that for the grandkids.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 23, 2019 04:49 PM (MIKMs)

113 Tami, if this is your first time with the smoker, I'd limit it to one type of meat. Get proficient in that and then broaden your repertoire.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:49 PM (gC2IV)

114 Yes. American tourists flying to some place in Canada to get a compleat set of "shame on you" plastic bags.

Posted by: jas at June 23, 2019 04:51 PM (I5SAg)

115 Ben Had!

You're killing me, here.
It's cool
And cloudy here in the PNW. I have a pot roast in the oven. Boys will be happy. And the house smells lovely.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 04:51 PM (PkVlr)

116 good.

i went to gates of the mountains and loaded up.

Posted by: trapper's girl at June 23, 2019 04:51 PM (4fOQa)

117 If you haven't used it yet go buy a chicken and smoke it sometime this week just to make sure everything works like it should. Plus smoked chicken is a good supper.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 04:49 PM (Lwfjs)

Good idea. I think I have to season the smoker first....well, the chicken too.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 04:52 PM (cF8AT)

118 My son bought the "MasterBuilt" smoker. Just loves it.

Posted by: jas at June 23, 2019 04:52 PM (I5SAg)

119 They should make pot roast room spray.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 04:52 PM (kQs4Y)

120 Re: grilled cheese truck:

I saw a Poutine truck on the highway last week. First one I've ever encountered in the wild.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 04:53 PM (fuK7c)

121 Been practicing sous vide myself. It is a very nice way to make extremely moist and tender meat.

Posted by: doug at June 23, 2019 04:53 PM (uBKAQ)

122 Am I being too aggressive with the different meats?

Posted by: Tami

Salmon is way different than brisket or ribs to smoke and brisket takes way longer than ribs.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 04:54 PM (K22Va)

123 Nurse; for pot roast potatoes or dumplings?

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 04:54 PM (a4qVe)

124 edamame = soi boi

The Japanese are quite fond of edamame. The Japanese are dying out as a country due to lack of sex. Ahem.

Just kidding. It's probably due to anime. I'm very fond of Asian cooking in general. But I'll pass on the raw fish.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2019 04:54 PM (Z4rgH)

125 I have a co-worker who has a big ocean water aquarium

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:54 PM (BbGew)

126 Just give me a few minutes alone at the Scripps Aquarium and I could get some really, really nice seafood.

Posted by: jas at June 23, 2019 04:55 PM (I5SAg)

127 They should make pot roast room spray.


What makes good pot roast? When Mommy made it it was with the stringiest, grayest, dryest beef she could find.

And boiled vegetables. We're Irish.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 04:56 PM (fuK7c)

128 Nurse, I will say that your pot roast sounds awfully good.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 04:57 PM (z02nf)

129 125 I have a co-worker who has a big ocean water aquarium
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:54 PM (BbGew)

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They are fantastic, but it's a hobby not a decoration. Expensive too.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 04:57 PM (gC2IV)

130 Can I do brisket and ribs together?

I'll do the fish on the regular grill.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 04:58 PM (cF8AT)

131

My sister and I love bowls, like CBD's above. I had pre-ordered this book, which isn't out until December of this year.

Bowls: Vibrant Recipes with Endless Possibilities Hardcover -- December 17, 2019
by America's Test Kitchen

http://amzn.com/1945256974

I'm hoping it's a good one. I like America's Test Kitchen recipes so risked the pre-order.

Probably surprise my sister with it this Christmas too.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 23, 2019 04:58 PM (vEIlU)

132 And boiled vegetables. We're Irish.

I have a few Irish buddies and they say the same thing. Everything gets the hell boiled out of it.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 04:58 PM (K22Va)

133 Salt water aquariums are really nice, but a lot of work.

Posted by: jas at June 23, 2019 04:58 PM (I5SAg)

134 Nurse; for pot roast potatoes or dumplings?
Posted by: Cheriebebe


Yorkshire pudding.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 04:58 PM (DrqHq)

135 Salmon is way different than brisket or ribs to smoke and brisket takes way longer than ribs.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 04:54 PM (K22Va)

Can't I just add the ribs half way through the brisket cooking time?

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 04:59 PM (cF8AT)

136 Chriebebe,

Potatoes, purple, white and gold.

The best pot roast is the one made with love.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 05:00 PM (PkVlr)

137 Yorkshire pudding.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019


Oooooo fancy-schmancy!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 05:00 PM (a4qVe)

138 130 Can I do brisket and ribs together?

I'll do the fish on the regular grill.
Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 04:58 PM (cF8AT)

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Ribs take about 4 hours. Brisket will take 10-12. When I'm doing a Q for a bunch of people, ill put the brisket in the smoker overnight then do the ribs the next day.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:00 PM (gC2IV)

139 Chocolate pudding.
I stopped doing "pot roast" with the spuds and carrots. I still make it though. It's "straight to sandwiches" however.

Posted by: jas at June 23, 2019 05:01 PM (I5SAg)

140 Nurse, Sounds delish!!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 05:01 PM (a4qVe)

141 So how do you no raw fish wimps feel about raw cow?

Carpaccio, steak tartare? Bites of hamburger before it goes on the grill?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:01 PM (fuK7c)

142 ppetizers tonight- After we ride a little there will be smoked trout on rosemary crackers, peppered salami and gruyere cheese and chicken livers fired in onion and garlic.

And of course wine.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 04:41 PM (z02nf)

Yum. Horses or bikes?

Posted by: LASue at June 23, 2019 05:02 PM (wMHPW)

143 Also, don't get discouraged if your first try ain't all that. My first brisket was an abomination. I'm lucky that more people weren't killed that day, I'll tell you!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:02 PM (gC2IV)

144
Can I do brisket and ribs together?

Yes, but different cook times. Ribs on my smoker take 5 or 6 hours and brisket at least 10. The temp stalls on briskets at 180 F or there abouts. It will be tough until you wait it out until 190F- 205F.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:04 PM (K22Va)

145 I used to be a anti-sushi guy. I finally tried it. OMG I just love it. It has to be fresh.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:04 PM (I5SAg)

146 Bander, I sear the meat then put the roast in a slow cooker with some stock, taters, carrots, and mushrooms (later, after cooking briefly in butter), plus a packet of Campbell's Slow Cooker Tavern Pot Roast Sauce, because I am a cheat and lazy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 05:04 PM (kQs4Y)

147 Yes on carpaccio, no on tartare.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:04 PM (gC2IV)

148 Ribs take about 4 hours. Brisket will take 10-12. When I'm doing a Q for a bunch of people, ill put the brisket in the smoker overnight then do the ribs the next day.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:00 PM (gC2IV)

Do you reheat the brisket or ?

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 05:04 PM (cF8AT)

149 But then, I am drowning out the fish flavor with the wasabi and soy sauce.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:04 PM (I5SAg)

150 Heh, Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns on the boob tube.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 05:05 PM (xzK3J)

151 Do you reheat the brisket or ?
Posted by: Tami


Faux-cambro

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:05 PM (DrqHq)

152 I'm only making burgers on the grill tonight, but I'm thinking about making Mexican Potatoes again.

I was inspired by the Taco Bell Whores and their "Mexican Fries", so I diced potatoes added butter, cumin, onion powder, garlic powder, paprika and chili powder to them before baking them at Two-Fiddy for about forty-five minutes. Salt and pepper according to taste.

In a pan, I sauteed red and green bell-peppers, as well as onions. ...finely diced. Add spicy peppers or leave them "On the Side" for people to add at their leisure.

Add them after the potatoes have been turned and crispy on the outside.

I add pepper jack cheese to mine, but that may also be added, while hot, "On the Side".

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 23, 2019 05:06 PM (Ckg4U)

153 Do you reheat the brisket or ?

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Yep. I have those aluminum caterers trays that do the trick. I set them to rest in beef broth and cover with foil. Put the whole thing in the oven on about 175 to reheat.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:07 PM (gC2IV)

154 ...and now I have some burgers to grill.

*Out!*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 23, 2019 05:07 PM (Ckg4U)

155 OT: Sultan Recep's flunky lost Istanbul again. This time it wasn't close.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 23, 2019 05:08 PM (ykYG2)

156 Faux-cambro

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:05 PM (DrqHq)

Didn't know what it was. Yeah, no...not buying a $200 container to keep food hot.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 05:08 PM (cF8AT)

157 Yorkshire pudding.

Absolutely!!! My moms roast and yorksire pudding was the best. I can make the pudding but I will never be able to duplicate her prime roast. It was to die for.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 05:09 PM (dUJdY)

158 You want something really good? Search for a Mexican Chorizo turkey stuffing (dressing). Chorizo, potatoes, carrots, celery, onions, etc. Yum yum yum.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:09 PM (I5SAg)

159 LASue, horses

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 05:09 PM (z02nf)

160 OT: Sultan Recep's flunky lost Istanbul again.


Did he check the last place he had it?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:09 PM (fuK7c)

161 Yep. I have those aluminum caterers trays that do the trick. I set them to rest in beef broth and cover with foil. Put the whole thing in the oven on about 175 to reheat.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:07 PM (gC2IV)

Ok, got it. Thanks!

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 05:10 PM (cF8AT)

162 Also Tami, get a good digital probe thermometer. I don't use it for brisket or ribs, but it's a must for poultry on the smoker.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:11 PM (gC2IV)

163 Didn't know what it was. Yeah, no...not buying a $200 container to keep food hot.
Posted by: Tami


Cooler + newspaper + old beach towels = $0.00

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:11 PM (DrqHq)

164 I would never, ever expect people to know to not double dip these days. I'm always horrified when I witness what idiots do these days. I avoid salad bars, buffets or anything where people have the chance to interact with the food, because they will get intimate with it, given the opportunity. Sickening. They can't even keep the spoons in the same buffet dish, and what they do with the spoons/tongs is frightening.

Hell, I was at one of my favorite noodle houses where they kept the chopsticks in a crock at each table. I watched a kid take 2 chopsticks, insert them in his nose for a laugh from the parents, and then put them back in the crock when he was done. I freaked, and they now have only wrapped chopsticks.

There's tons of taquerias around me (CA South Bay Area). Many of them have their hottest salsas in squirt bottles. Our pet hispanics love to take the bottle back to their table rather than squirt it into the plastic cups they have at the salsa stations (so don't be looking for it, it's gone). They take a bite out of their burrito, stick the nozzle into where they took a bite, squirt in some salsa, take another bite, lather, rinse, repeat. I took a video of this for some people who didn't believe me. I only get the salsa at the station with the dipping spoons - avoid those bottles like the literal plague.

Posted by: clutch cargo at June 23, 2019 05:12 PM (sLicW)

165
And there is Chicken-Fried Steak, which is God's gift to those who may have imbibed a bit too much the night before.

Chicken-fried steak, eggs, hash browns, biscuits, gravy, coffee. God has this for breakfast every morning.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:12 PM (Wx/+I)

166 Pro-tip: Get your electronic probe meat thermometer NOW. Between the middle of November and the middle of February, you WILL NOT be able to find them.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:12 PM (I5SAg)

167 I found a cooking show on youtube that's as good as any on the food network. Sam The Cooking Guy. I think he had a short show or a walk-in segment on a morning show for a while. But the guy is hillarious, pretty entertaining, and his recipes look pretty good.

Here's a BLT with maple chipotle bacon and fried tomatoes:
https://youtu.be/4AXG6NXTsBU

Here's a fish and chips episode:
https://youtu.be/z7EBv6LMhN4

He's a riot! Screws up, cusses all the time, lawn mowers going off in the background and they keep filming. He sounds like he's from Canada but I think he's filming from socal because it's always sunny outside where they film

Posted by: bananadream at June 23, 2019 05:13 PM (l6b3d)

168 Carpaccio, steak tartare? Bites of hamburger before it goes on the grill?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:01 PM (fuK7c)


Carpaccio? What's that, Italian for 'fresh from the carcass to your mouth'? No to steak tartare, and double the hell NO to raw hamburger.

Yeah I'm a wimp.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2019 05:13 PM (Z4rgH)

169 Yep. I have those aluminum caterers trays that do the trick. I set them
to rest in beef broth and cover with foil. Put the whole thing in the
oven on about 175 to reheat.

Duke, are you in Texas? I've heard of guys wrapping in foil, then in towels and into a cooler to finish them off. I'll wrap mine in foil to get it past that temp stall. I guess they call that the Texas crutch. Not sure if it's meant as a rip or not.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:13 PM (K22Va)

170 162 Also Tami, get a good digital probe thermometer. I don't use it for brisket or ribs, but it's a must for poultry on the smoker.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:11 PM (gC2IV)

It might have come with one...I'll have to check.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 05:13 PM (cF8AT)

171 Cooler + newspaper + old beach towels = $0.00

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:11 PM (DrqHq)

Oh that I can do! Wait...newspaper? I'll have to go buy one.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 05:14 PM (cF8AT)

172 ... then again, some people spend $200 on a cooler. But those styrefoam fuckers are free at some grocery stores.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:15 PM (DrqHq)

173 My mom used to make kolachkes around the holidays (though we spelled it "kolacky"). We also called them "lily cookies", since in her version, the dough would be cut into circles, and a dab of fruit filling placed in the center. She'd then fold the circle in half, and press about 2/3 of the edges together, leaving the filling poking out of the top. Sprinkled with powdered sugar when they came out of the oven. They were fantastic!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 23, 2019 05:15 PM (8g9zh)

174 My husband, a Texan, introduced me to Frito Pie. I abhor Fritos. I love Frito Pie.

Posted by: Marica at June 23, 2019 05:15 PM (0++T1)

175 Dartest, I'm a Texan currently in Tennessee. Yeah, I usually finish the brisket in the oven.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:15 PM (gC2IV)

176 I know a lady at church that refuses to drink of the chalice containing the Precious Blood of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for fear of getting some disease. I tease her about it. "What! You want it in one of those tiny cups the Protestants use?"

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:15 PM (I5SAg)

177 Carpaccio? What's that, Italian for 'fresh from the carcass to your mouth'?


Sort of, but you beat the carcass until it's paper flat and add olive oil and maybe capers.

Gnam gnam gnam! (That's literally Italian for nom nom nom).

Steak tartare has a raw egg yolk, so you get to double down on raw goodness.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:16 PM (fuK7c)

178 179 your lucky if it's real drinkable wine

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 05:17 PM (BbGew)

179 Digital probe thermometers are a must. I never even attempted a prime rib before I got one. Nothing like overcooking a $200 piece of meat.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:18 PM (gC2IV)

180 Okay food thread but some Democrat just jumped in the Presidential race. So Hickenlooper just moved up one from the bottom!

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2019 05:19 PM (ovpZu)

181 The kolache shown in the Texas food article look nothing like real kolache. A proper kolache is a ball of yeasty sweet dough, flattened, then baked with a deep dimple stuffed with a variety of fillings. Apricot, prune, cherry, cheese, and poppy seed are the most common in non-Texas Czech kitchens. (Prune and apricot are my favorite. I am a lousy Czech because I cannot stand either poppy seed kolache or liver dumpling soup)

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at June 23, 2019 05:19 PM (5+J7M)

182 Duke, how long did your son's hunger strike last? What broke it? (Tell me he's not still on it...if so, start referring to him as 'ace').

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 05:19 PM (cF8AT)

183 175
Dartest, I'm a Texan currently in Tennessee. Yeah, I usually finish the brisket in the oven.

Probably a better way. 10 plus hours is a long day for me with beers.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:20 PM (K22Va)

184 180 Okay food thread but some Democrat just jumped in the Presidential race. So Hickenlooper just moved up one from the bottom!
Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2019 05:19 PM (ovpZu)

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Speaking of cooked gooses...

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:20 PM (gC2IV)

185 180 Okay food thread but some Democrat just jumped in the Presidential race. So Hickenlooper just moved up one from the bottom!

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2019 05:19 PM (ovpZu)

Joe Sestak, from PA.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 05:20 PM (cF8AT)

186 Carpaccio, steak tartare? Bites of hamburger before it goes on the grill?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:01 PM (fuK7c)
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i have ulcerative colitis, so i avoid all that sort of thing.

what will make you unhappy for an afternoon or a day will take me down for weeks or months.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 05:20 PM (tKIE9)

187 I'll gladly give you all of my share of raw fish .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:21 PM (2DOZq)

188 Pro-tip: Get your electronic probe meat thermometer NOW. Between the middle of November and the middle of February, you WILL NOT be able to find them.


Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:12 PM (I5SAg)


Some years back, CBD recommended a DOT probe thermometer. I love it. Use it all the time. Has a timer you can set for the desired internal temp.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 05:22 PM (xzK3J)

189 Tami, surly teen ddidnt last long on the hunger strike. I had fun with it though. I just kept making foods that would fill the house with wonderful aromas. Bacon, chocolate chip cookies, etc.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:22 PM (gC2IV)

190 Pistolettes > Kolaches

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:23 PM (2DOZq)

191 166 Pro-tip: Get your electronic probe meat thermometer NOW. Between the middle of November and the middle of February, you WILL NOT be able to find them.
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:12 PM (I5SAg)

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Does this have something to do with closing the Strait of Hormuz?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 23, 2019 05:24 PM (9SkN+)

192
At 7:30 Mass this morning there was a young family with eight children, all dressed like young gentlemen and ladies, the girls in chapel veils. Things like this make me think there's hope for the world.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:24 PM (Wx/+I)

193 liver dumpling soup

Love that stuff. Czech restaurants are the best deal around here. Huge portions that include soup, kolachky's and sometimes even coffee. Most places for under $15. At least 2 meals for me.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:25 PM (K22Va)

194
Joe Sestak, from PA.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 05:20


OMG, from the old Saturday morning kid shows?

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 05:25 PM (xzK3J)

195 At 7:30 Mass this morning there was a young family with eight children, all dressed like young gentlemen and ladies, the girls in chapel veils. Things like this make me think there's hope for the world.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:24 PM (Wx/+I)

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Give them to us.

Posted by: Oberlin College Administration at June 23, 2019 05:26 PM (9SkN+)

196 Hey, love the blog, long time commenter, first time reader. Two questions, then I'll hang up and listen while I start the grill.

First, two NY strip steaks, nominal 1¼" by my calipers. Just grill 'em medium rare over charcoal, or do they need anything special?

Second, I have a fresh papaya here the size of a football. Any tips for attacking this? Not looking for recipes, just the mechanics of dismantling it. I thought just slicing the mango in half like an avocado would work, but I sliced on the wrong angle and it was all stuck to the pit.

Thanks!

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 05:26 PM (t+qrx)

197 I can't bring myself to eat raw fish or meat of any kind. I ate a raw oyster once and I honest-to-goodness didn't think I could get it down. But I did, and then I wondered if it would stay down. It did, but only because I ate real, good food to drown it.

Posted by: bluebell at June 23, 2019 05:27 PM (aXucN)

198
Czech restaurants are the best deal around here.

*plans trip to LaGrange*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:27 PM (Wx/+I)

199 Hi hogmartin! I'll let the others tell you what to do with the steaks, but for the papaya, you need to find a video on Youtube. It's the best way.

Posted by: bluebell at June 23, 2019 05:28 PM (aXucN)

200 LOL. It's about every brother and his mother buying them for Thanksgiving and completely depleting the inventory.
Hey! A business opportunity. Buy a thousand of them in July. Wait until Nov. 15. Put them up for sale on E-Bay or Amazon for $30 each. 100% profit.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:28 PM (I5SAg)

201
Give them to us.

Posted by: Oberlin College Administration


Dollars to donuts they're homeschooled.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:29 PM (Wx/+I)

202 Hadrian,

That made me smile. Thank you.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 05:29 PM (PkVlr)

203 I think the carrots in the crock pot roast are usually 2nd only to the meat. Sometimes better if you find one of the little jewels that sat against the side AND got some seasoning on it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:29 PM (Lwfjs)

204 Hogmartin, S&P about an hour prior to grilling. Let them sit out and come to room temp. Depending on grill, about 3-4 minutes per side. Slice the papaya in half length wise and scoop out the seeds. Then remove the meat with a spoon.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:30 PM (gC2IV)

205 Raw oysters, raw clams, raw pounded cow, raw ground cow with raw egg yolk...you've got raw fish sushimi, raw fish with rice sushi, you can make it raw fish with rice and seaweed, there's raw toro, raw hamachi, raw salmon, raw ahi...

and that's about it.

Posted by: Bubba Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:31 PM (fuK7c)

206 Pepper can burn. Salt cannot. You put the pepper on AFTER the cooking.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:31 PM (I5SAg)

207 >>What makes good pot roast? When Mommy made it it was with the stringiest, grayest, dryest beef she could find.

>>And boiled vegetables. We're Irish.


No way.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 05:31 PM (PxX58)

208 for the papaya, you need to find a video on Youtube. It's the best way.
Posted by: bluebell at June 23, 2019 05:28 PM (aXucN)


Good idea, thanks! Those kittens were adorable.

The papaya hasn't changed at all.

Anything else?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 05:31 PM (t+qrx)

209 First, two NY strip steaks, nominal 1¼" by my calipers. Just grill 'em medium rare over charcoal, or do they need anything special?

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Good cuts of meat usually just get salt and pepper from me. Occasionally a light dusting of paprika if I'm feeling feisty.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:31 PM (Lwfjs)

210 *plans trip to LaGrange*

Ha! Stay a few days and try North Riverside, Westchester and Downers Grove too!

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:32 PM (K22Va)

211 Hey! Your mom and my mom were sisters. Neither one learned how to cook.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:32 PM (I5SAg)

212
No doubt good pot roast can be prepared, but I've never come across any.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:33 PM (Wx/+I)

213 Hell yeah pepper can burn. That's the whole point.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:33 PM (Lwfjs)

214 *plans trip to LaGrange*

That reminds me of when Bobak's was a thing in the Burr Ridge shopping center. Been years...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 05:33 PM (7s3Gx)

215 Burnt pepper? Why not? I love burnt garlic.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:33 PM (I5SAg)

216 No doubt good pot roast can be prepared, but I've never come across any.

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I don't make them in the oven much anymore, but those bags you can get for the job (near plastic bags in grocery store) are a game changer.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:34 PM (Lwfjs)

217 How do you know when Lena Dunham will be there?

So much for the sausage.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 05:34 PM (7s3Gx)

218 Hey, tolerance from the Lefties at Rav:

You have been blocked from participating in this thread

I look for the purges to start soon.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 05:34 PM (Lqy/e)

219 Okay food thread but some Democrat just jumped in the Presidential race. So Hickenlooper just moved up one from the bottom!

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2019 05:19 PM (ovpZu)

Joe Sestak, from PA.
Posted by: Tami
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They are letting sleestacks run for office? I thought you had to at least be human. Oh, wait never mind...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 23, 2019 05:34 PM (UUBmN)

220 That reminds me of when Bobak's was a thing in the Burr Ridge shopping center. Been years...

I wonder if they're still there. Deli with a restaurant attached, right?

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:35 PM (K22Va)

221 I intentionally slightly burn my microwave popcorn.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:35 PM (Lwfjs)

222 Hogmartin, S&P about an hour prior to grilling. Let them sit out and come to room temp. Depending on grill, about 3-4 minutes per side. Slice the papaya in half length wise and scoop out the seeds. Then remove the meat with a spoon.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:30 PM (gC2IV)


OK, sounds like just prepare steak as usual. Will do.

Also the papaya recommendation comports with the videos (though some say slice and peel after scooping the seeds).

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 05:35 PM (t+qrx)

223 I thought just slicing the mango in half like an avocado would work, but I sliced on the wrong angle and it was all stuck to the pit.

Thanks!

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 05:26 PM (t+qrx)


I just did my first mango. Hey, it was on sale. I did a youtube search for preparing mangoes, and it was a snap to follow. Good, too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 23, 2019 05:36 PM (Z4rgH)

224 There's tons of taquerias around me (CA South Bay Area). Many of them have their hottest salsas in squirt bottles. Our pet hispanics love to take the bottle back to their table rather than squirt it into the plastic cups they have at the salsa stations (so don't be looking for it, it's gone). They take a bite out of their burrito, stick the nozzle into where they took a bite, squirt in some salsa, take another bite, lather, rinse, repeat. I took a video of this for some people who didn't believe me. I only get the salsa at the station with the dipping spoons - avoid those bottles like the literal plague.
Posted by: clutch cargo at June 23, 2019 05:12 PM (sLicW)

Gross. El Burrito Jr., by chance?

Posted by: LASue at June 23, 2019 05:36 PM (wMHPW)

225 221 I intentionally slightly burn my microwave popcorn.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:35 PM (Lwfjs)

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You monster!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:36 PM (gC2IV)

226 I checked and smoker does come with a meat probe (and a remote). It's 40" with a big viewing window.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 05:36 PM (cF8AT)

227 Admittedly I ain't raw hamburger meat as a kid when my father made his meatballs or meatloaf. That was late 60's .

USDA must have been better then or Salmonella poisoning just wasn't reported as much.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:37 PM (2DOZq)

228 Ain't = ate

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:38 PM (2DOZq)

229 I intentionally slightly burn my microwave popcorn.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:35 PM (Lwfjs)
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You monster!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 05:36 PM (gC2IV)


Try it. It pairs with maple oyster brussels sprouts almost as well as ketchup.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 05:38 PM (t+qrx)

230 218: I self purged. I a million Trump supporters all did the same, little Casey and his wife would feel the pinch. I suspect most Trump supporting women will just shut up and stay.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 05:39 PM (U7k5w)

231
Actually I was referring to LaGrange, Texas, between Columbus and Bastrop. Along the way is Hruska's Bakery in Ellinger. Yum!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:39 PM (Wx/+I)

232 Joe Sestak is another Democrat puppet, think Creepy Joe without the creepyness

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 05:39 PM (BbGew)

233 I wonder if they're still there. Deli with a restaurant attached, right?

I'm moderately sure they aren't. We'd hit the restaurant buffet while on lunchbreak from Argonne but I think the buffet part went under while I was still there about 15 years ago. And now google maps doesn't even show the store.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 05:39 PM (7s3Gx)

234 You monster!

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That brown (grayish black with popcorn) stuff on cooked food is where a big chunk of the chemical changes creating delicious flavors comes from. 7 out of 10 Scientists agree.

The tricky part is controlling it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:40 PM (Lwfjs)

235 176 I know a lady at church that refuses to drink of the chalice containing the Precious Blood of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for fear of getting some disease. I tease her about it. "What! You want it in one of those tiny cups the Protestants use?"
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:15 PM (I5SAg)
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Shotglasses!

*fist pump*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 05:41 PM (kQs4Y)

236 My version of Ketchup on hot dogs that I do is
sugar on my popcorn.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:41 PM (2DOZq)

237 232: Tapper's family was very supportive of him in PA

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 05:41 PM (U7k5w)

238 USDA must have been better then or Salmonella poisoning just wasn't reported as much.

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I can't speak for the brain eating whatever, but I've read that, other than poorly handling chicken and shellfish, it's really hard to get sick from raw meat these days.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:42 PM (Lwfjs)

239 193 -- Unfortunately, the only Czech restaurant in Omaha closed nearly two years ago. No more liver dumpling soup (my oldest son and his kid are still feeling the pain), no more Czech goulash, no more sweet dill seed beef, no more Hassenpfeffer, no more yeast dumplings, no more of Eddie's imaginative, holiday themed kolache. And no more bookstore because the bookstore was next to the restaurant and was my landlord.I

Actually, the restaurant scene in Omaha is becoming sadly depressing. Omaha has a huge population of Germans, Czechs, and Poles. But the last German restaurant will be closing at the end of the month, I've never seen a Polish restaurant in my nearly fifty years of living in Omaha, and, as I said, the last Czech restaurant closed nearly two years ago. There are a bunch of Mexican restaurant s of varying quality, ditto Chinese, ditto oriental in general, and a mega ton of trendy, expensive Yuppie spots.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at June 23, 2019 05:42 PM (5+J7M)

240 227 Admittedly I ain't raw hamburger meat as a kid when my father made his meatballs or meatloaf. That was late 60's .

USDA must have been better then or Salmonella poisoning just wasn't reported as much.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:37 PM (2DOZq)

My sister and I loved making Hamburgers for the feezer so we could eat raw ground beef. But my father worked in the wholesale meat business in the Bronx so the ground beef he got was ground sirloin. YUM.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 23, 2019 05:42 PM (8lGpb)

241 So how do you no raw fish wimps feel about raw cow?
Carpaccio, steak tartare? Bites of hamburger before it goes on the grill?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:01 PM (fuK7c)

It's all raw which means it's all crapola. Raw means worms and death or at least a week on the thunder bucket.

God gave us fire for a reason........use it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 05:42 PM (Z+IKu)

242 sugar on my popcorn.

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We discovered the little Flavored salt shakers by the microwave popcorn recently. Some are very good. Try the kettle corn if you like that taste.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:43 PM (Lwfjs)

243 USDA must have been better then or Salmonella poisoning just wasn't reported as much.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:37 PM (2DOZq)
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and the slaughtering was being done by Americans who gave a shit about their j*b, instead of illegals who wipe their ass, then throw the used paper into the corner, because that's how you do it at home, and only maricons wash their hands, pinche gringo puto.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 05:44 PM (tKIE9)

244 I can't speak for the brain eating whatever, but I've read that, other than poorly handling chicken and shellfish, it's really hard to get sick from raw meat these days.

Sounds about right. Last time I got a no-foolin', tear-your-guts-out, wonder-if-I-was-gonna-die case of food poisoning, it was from the bagged salad that had set in the refrigerator a few days too long.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 05:44 PM (7s3Gx)

245 Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:42 PM (Lwfjs)

You would think but every month there is some recall of ground beef. Also I'm thinking back to the incidents which caused the big warning of not to order hamburgers rare.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:45 PM (2DOZq)

246 226
I checked and smoker does come with a meat probe (and a remote). It's 40" with a big viewing window.

That's good for the brisket. It will be tough if you don't get it up around 200F. Doesn't matter for ribs. Chicken if it worries you. I cook the crap out of my chicken because I don't like the fat and veins. Good for other beef roasts too. I think amazingribs has one I've used where you take a roast to 115F ? iirc and then blast it on the grill to 125F. Very helpful tool for me.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:45 PM (K22Va)

247 At 7:30 Mass this morning there was a young family with eight children, all dressed like young gentlemen and ladies, the girls in chapel veils. Things like this make me think there's hope for the world.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:24 PM

In front of me was a former student and chip-off-the-old-blockette little boy. It's always good to see, isn't it?

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 05:45 PM (/+bwe)

248
The tricky part is controlling it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 05:40 PM (Lwfjs)

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If not properly controlled a chain reaction might develop that could disrupt the entire space-time continuum.

Posted by: Doc Brown at June 23, 2019 05:45 PM (9SkN+)

249 I have things to wrap up on Rav. I haven't decided if I'll leave yet. Someone should keep an eye on their descent into "wokeness".

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 05:46 PM (Lqy/e)

250 My GF's favorite summertime food is rice, Korean gochujang paste and other stuff wrapped in a leaf of lettuce. Basically your Poke but she doesn't like raw fish so much.

In the past for me she would get cooked chicken to add into it, but I will have to get her the steamed crab and edame and such to add in.


Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 05:46 PM (hSQmw)

251 Didn't have enough fresh chives for my dip so added dried, over did it a bit. But luckily only did a little ramekin cup so next sitting can add more cheese.
Now you mentioned thermometers, hamburger was barely not pink.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 05:47 PM (BbGew)

252 Well.
Damned sure I'm not asking that dude selling grilled cheese for a slice of tomato!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 05:47 PM (axyOa)

253 Actually I was referring to LaGrange, Texas, between Columbus and Bastrop. Along the way is Hruska's Bakery in Ellinger. Yum!

Oops, sorry. I should get down there one day for the Bbq.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:47 PM (K22Va)

254 So how do you no raw fish wimps feel about raw cow?
Carpaccio, steak tartare? Bites of hamburger before it goes on the grill?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:01 PM

No, thanks. I don't eat rare meat even when it came from cousin's farm. Not to mention, it's just fantastic to grill.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 05:48 PM (/+bwe)

255 249: Seems this story has gotten out. I favor the "get woke go broke" model. How much more "woke" can the get? They have pride flags all over, banned Trump comments (positive ones, but the Trump voodoo doll patterns and Bernie hats stay), maybe they need knitted rainbow dick warmers?

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 05:48 PM (U7k5w)

256 I recently made some breakfast sausage and bacon from the wild sow I killed two weeks ago. Good stuff, although the bacon turned out a bit salty.

Posted by: WVinMN at June 23, 2019 05:49 PM (pV4s0)

257 Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 05:46 PM (hSQmw)

Lettuce wraps at PF Changs.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:49 PM (2DOZq)

258 232
Joe Sestak is another Democrat puppet, think Creepy Joe without the creepyness

Posted by: Skip


Not possible. The creepyness is an integral part of who Biden is.

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 05:49 PM (T6t7i)

259 No, thanks. I don't eat rare meat even when it came from cousin's farm.


A well cooked steak should have a fighting chance at getting up and running away.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:49 PM (fuK7c)

260 I'm making homemade sauerkraut, but the measurements seem off. The water liquid isn't even covering all the veggies.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 05:50 PM (/+bwe)

261 Well.
Damned sure I'm not asking that dude selling grilled cheese for a slice of tomato!
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 05:47 PM (axyOa)

Hahaha....yup. I would go up and say "Grilled cheese please and can I get a to, tom, toma, can I get an extra napkin?"

Like Chris Rock and the ribs.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 05:50 PM (Z+IKu)

262 OK, true confessions time. Who among the Masterbuilt electric smoker owners actually cleans the damn thing in a timely fashion? I mean, as opposed to the next time you're ready to use it, and the walls are covered with white fuzz.

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 05:50 PM (T6t7i)

263 Get your best Sean Connery voice in your head and say "Goulash".

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:51 PM (DrqHq)

264 I'm making homemade sauerkraut,


How does that happen? I guess vinegar would pickle it, but doesn't sauerkraut ferment?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:51 PM (fuK7c)

265 I'm making homemade sauerkraut, but the measurements seem off. The water liquid isn't even covering all the veggies.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 05:50 PM (/+bwe)


You need a pressing stone, probably. Also need to mash the air out of it.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 05:52 PM (t+qrx)

266
Conversation at Schloss Hadrian:

Me: "I think the lamb is ready."
Her Majesty (from bedroom): "Check the temperature. It should be 180."
Me: *checks, sees it's 165* "We're good!*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:52 PM (Wx/+I)

267 Went to my neighborhood farmers' market this morning. Almost bought some skate. I didn't when told it was in the shark family and would have to be cooked no later than tomorrow as it does not last. Maybe next time, after I've looked up some recipes and have all the ingredients already purchased.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 05:53 PM (Y8PSl)

268 How does that happen? I guess vinegar would pickle it, but doesn't sauerkraut ferment?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:51 PM (fuK7c)


Salt brine, not vinegar. The lactobacilli to start it are on the vegetables and just need the right proportion of brine to hold back the other bugs.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 05:53 PM (t+qrx)

269 260
I'm making homemade sauerkraut, but the measurements seem off. The water liquid isn't even covering all the veggies.

The recipe I use is 3 tbs. of salt for 5 lbs. of chopped cabbage. Mush it up with your hands and pound it a little and it makes it's own juice. Maybe pound it down more?

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:53 PM (K22Va)

270 I'm making homemade sauerkraut, but the measurements seem off. The water liquid isn't even covering all the veggies.
Posted by: NaughtyPine


Add more brine.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:54 PM (DrqHq)

271 I'm making homemade sauerkraut, but the measurements seem off. The water liquid isn't even covering all the veggies.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 05:50 PM (/+bwe)


Slap hot iron to it.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 05:54 PM (t+qrx)

272 You need a pressing stone, probably. Also need to mash the air out of it.


You.....animal.

Posted by: Giles Corey at June 23, 2019 05:54 PM (T6t7i)

273 What is that home made sauerkraut to be paired with?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:54 PM (2DOZq)

274
I like radishes.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 05:54 PM (22ePV)

275
You need a pressing stone, probably. Also need to mash the air out of it.
Posted by: hogmartin


This is better advice.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:55 PM (DrqHq)

276 Bummer...missed out on this thread...

Belleville Meat Market in, wait for it... Bellville, Texas...

Excellent sausage

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 05:55 PM (6qErC)

277
What is that home made sauerkraut to be paired with?

Liver and a nice Chianti.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:56 PM (K22Va)

278 Salt brine, not vinegar. The lactobacilli to start it are on the vegetables and just need the right proportion of brine to hold back the other bugs.


The thing I like about humans is that we figured stuff like that out without understanding the biochemistry.

"It needs a pinch more salt. That's what killed Uncle Olaf".

And the trial and error of finding which mushrooms to eat...

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:56 PM (fuK7c)

279 274: Me too, the local CSA has a beautiful variety, so I get there right when they open.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 05:56 PM (U7k5w)

280 What is that home made sauerkraut to be paired with?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation


Hot dogs, kielbasa, sammiches, hash, taters n' hash...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:57 PM (DrqHq)

281 Sauerkraut is great mixed up in mashed taters.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:57 PM (fuK7c)

282 And the trial and error of finding which mushrooms to eat..."

It's the white one, or...

Hey, what did he eat again?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 05:57 PM (6qErC)

283 shrimp n' hash, hash n' hash, corned hash...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 05:58 PM (DrqHq)

284 And the trial and error of finding which mushrooms to eat...

Posted by: Bandersnatch


That one, good.

That one, no good. Thag turn green and shrivel up like prune.

That one, don't know. Og sure seem happy all the time, though.

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2019 05:58 PM (P1f+c)

285 I don't like sauerkraut at all but it brings back pleasant memories of my father who loved it and had to have it with his hotdogs and ham.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:58 PM (2DOZq)

286 Sauerkraut and kimchi are great for heartburn too.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 05:59 PM (K22Va)

287
Belleville Meat Market in, wait for it... Bellville, Texas...

Excellent sausage

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 05:55 PM (6qErC)


Prasek's Smokehouse, Hillje, TX.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:59 PM (Wx/+I)

288 "It needs a pinch more salt. That's what killed Uncle Olaf".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 05:56 PM (fuK7c)


It gets better! The folk method for the right brine proportion is: just enough so that a raw egg will float.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 05:59 PM (t+qrx)

289 Not seeing much on, Top Gun , Kelly was hot then.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 05:59 PM (BbGew)

290 289 Not seeing much on, Top Gun , Kelly was hot then.
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 05:59 PM (BbGew)

And not a lesbian.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 06:00 PM (2DOZq)

291 during the snows i helped wrap a whole beef. lots of saws, and grinders involved. cube steak, burger and different cuts of steak and such. fun stuff.

Posted by: trapper's girl at June 23, 2019 06:01 PM (4fOQa)

292 Sauerkraut and kimchi are great for heartburn too.
Posted by: dartist


Oh, oh, oh! One of my favorite Japanese pub foods is buta-kimchi. It's pork and kimchi. Awesome stuff. Super messy and sour.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 06:02 PM (DrqHq)

293 One nice thing about the Midwest is shelves, nay pyramids, of sauerkraut at the stores. It's not a few dusty forlorn cans on the bottom shelf hidden behind the hoppin' john and succotash like here.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 06:03 PM (kQs4Y)

294 44 Thought about trying BR coffee.

..


If you're into grossly over paying for coffee.

But they have pics of guns n stuff.

Uh huh.

Posted by: WUT at June 23, 2019 06:07 PM (MAstk)

295 290 289 Not seeing much on, Top Gun , Kelly was hot then.
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 05:59 PM (BbGew)

And not a lesbian.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 06:00 PM (2DOZq)

____

I'm pretty sure she was a lesbian then as well. lol

Posted by: AOC at June 23, 2019 06:09 PM (FiUMj)

296 Skate wings make the best fish and chips. Tastes very much like scallops.

Posted by: Mondegreens at June 23, 2019 06:09 PM (K1IUD)

297 I usually gert whatever is on sale, like wine you get what you pay for.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 06:09 PM (BbGew)

298 Sausage?

Who ever brought that venison sausage to the PacNWMoMe last month that chef Mark grilled up, I want to personally thank you.

I've had a lot of sausage over the years made from venison. Some good, some pretty bad.

This was a crafted tube of goodness. There was just enough added fat to go with the perfect seasoning mix.

In a word, Glorious.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:10 PM (sy5kK)

299 Ssusshi, Yess!

Posted by: Gollum at June 23, 2019 06:10 PM (geIq4)

300 Sausage?

Ugh yeah!!!

Posted by: Butt-gig at June 23, 2019 06:12 PM (MAstk)

301 Kielbasa bake:

Handful of sauerkraut, double-washed, squeezed dry
Kielbasa x2
Carrots, par-boiled
Green Beans, steamed 90% done
Waxy potato slices, steamed 90% done
Apple sauce 12 oz
Chicken stock, 6 oz
Caraway seeds, pinch, toasted

Add the sauerkraut to a roasting pan, carrots, green beans, applesauce, caraway, stock, then the kielbasa, then the potatoes.

Spray with oil, salt, and cover with foil. Put it in an oven at 350 for 45 min.

Remove foil and put the pan under a broiler on high for another 10 to 20 min. Stand by in case of fire.

Serve with black bread and roasted garlic.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 06:12 PM (DrqHq)

302 299 Ssusshi, Yess!
Posted by: Gollum at June 23, 2019 06:10 PM (geIq4)

---------

What's taters, precious?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 06:13 PM (gC2IV)

303 One nice thing about the Midwest is shelves, nay pyramids, of sauerkraut at the stores. It's not a few dusty forlorn cans on the bottom shelf hidden behind the hoppin' john and succotash like here.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 06:03 PM (kQs4Y)


My dad noticed that the Meijer brand kraut in bags was a different texture than it used to be and wrote a detailed letter of complaint to Meijer. In doing so, he uncovered some secret corrupt scheme to... do something with selling sauerkraut from a different supplier, for reasons. I can't remember. The upshot was he got a personal letter from the head buyer at Meijer and a bunch of coupons for free sauerkraut and now he could fill his bathtub with Meijer brand sauerkraut every week for a year and not pay a dime. He did the same thing with Meijer pretzels, too, and again he ended up with enough pretzels to last pretty much forever.

It's good to have hobbies, I guess.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 06:14 PM (t+qrx)

304 Tastes very much like scallops."

Yep.

/low rent "scallop" sellers...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 06:14 PM (6qErC)

305 What's tater sausage, Precious?

Posted by: Gollum at June 23, 2019 06:16 PM (geIq4)

306 * add brown sugar if the fam doesn't like sour dishes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 06:16 PM (DrqHq)

307 No doubt good pot roast can be prepared, but I've never come across any.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 05:33 PM (Wx/+I)


The secret is to sear it, then cook it with liquid, slowly, for about an hour to an hour and a half, or so.

The searing keeps it from going grey, and the liquid keeps it moist.

put in the veggies at about the 1/2 hour before finishing mark to allow them not to be cooked into paste.

Unless you have a pressure cookier, then you want to sear and cook at 15 lbs for about 30 minutes

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 06:16 PM (hSQmw)

308 I added more brine. Thanks, everyone!

I'm not making a big batch (aka the crock with a heavy plate to mash down). I just received two Lekue jars with the silicone push-down-thingies (scientific name) and am trying the out.

"One nice thing about the Midwest is shelves, nay pyramids, of sauerkraut at the stores. It's not a few dusty forlorn cans on the bottom shelf hidden behind the hoppin' john and succotash like here.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 06:03 PM

But I can never find the kind with apples and the sweet red cabbage kind is hard to find in my area. It sure tastes good with everything, though.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 06:17 PM (/+bwe)

309 Weft-cut Loop, that sounds terrific!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 06:19 PM (/+bwe)

310 I do not get the hate for andouille. It is great.

Posted by: R Daneel at June 23, 2019 06:20 PM (IL6PC)

311 Kindletot!

Agree on the searing.

I take the meat out and sauté onion, celery and carrots, then add a can of stewed tomatoes, bay leaf, stock, fed wine and potatoes. Bring to a simmer on the stove and then into a 350 degree oven for three hours.

Hasn't failed me yet. House smells gooooood.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 06:21 PM (PkVlr)

312 I've never tried Black Rifle coffee, but it sounds like a good product.


But there is nothing like coffee that was roasted 24 hours ago (48 hours for dark roasts), grinding it, and steeping it with just-short-of-boiling water.

If you have a local coffee roaster, do yourself a favor and check them out. Buy a pound or two.

Freshly roasted coffee is not unlike freshly baked bread.
Once baked, the bread gives off that fantastic, mouth-watering smell for a few hours. Coffee does a similar thing for 4 or 5 days.

What is going on is that after the cooking or baking, the finished product is "de-gassing" - expelling the carbon atoms, that is what you smell. The reaction is so strong, the heavy oxygen atoms in the atmosphere cannot pierce this invisible veil to sink in.

After the de-gassing stops, the oxygen molecules start to penetrate the bread (or coffee beans) and they start going stale.

Freshly roasted coffee can be compared to freshly baked bread in this way.

Or just like fish, once it is been exposed to oxygen long enough, it can't be brought back to fresh ever again.


Your local coffee roaster has all the details.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:21 PM (sy5kK)

313 They are letting sleestacks run for office? I thought you had to at least be human. Oh, wait never mind...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 23, 2019 05:34 PM (


Just watched Season 1, Ep. 1.

Also contacted Ravelry. They will not be pleased with my comments.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 06:22 PM (xzK3J)

314 No doubt good pot roast can be prepared, but I've never come across any.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


Once again; pot roast depends entirely on the quality of the meat.

If'n your cookin' a piece of discount remainder 'roast', like cross-rib roast, you will always get a bad result.

Good roasts require a good, authentic roast cut. Period.

The only thing needed after is a slow and low braise with exchanged veggies and some acid, like a good wine, and some rich broth that gets refreshed with boiling water.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 06:22 PM (DrqHq)

315 sort of on topic:

watching a rerun of the original "price is right" (c.1960) and they offer some impressive prizes - a grand piano, a new kitchen, a thunderbird, a new house in coral gables (!) and just now, a fully functioning chicken delight restaurant on la cienega.

so i googled "chicken delight" and all of the restaurants in l.a.that came up are indian or japanese.

the only chicken delights left are in manitoba, apparently.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 06:24 PM (Pg+x7)

316 Nurse, the red wine and the bay leaf absolutely make a great pot roast.

I don't add the tomatoes though, just extra whole cloves of garlic.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 06:25 PM (z02nf)

317 It's good to have hobbies, I guess.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 06:14 PM (t+qrx)
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I can't wait to be a cranky old fartess and write angry letters.

When you said "a new supplier" I had a Breaking Bad flash of your dad accidentally getting the fake kraut bags used to smuggle meth across state lines.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 06:25 PM (kQs4Y)

318 311 Kindletot!

Agree on the searing.

I take the meat out and saute onion, celery and carrots, then add a can of stewed tomatoes, bay leaf, stock, fed wine and potatoes. Bring to a simmer on the stove and then into a 350 degree oven for three hours.

Hasn't failed me yet. House smells gooooood.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 06:21 PM (PkVlr)


Hey!

I do nearly the same thing - except the veggies that go soft go in the last half hour (small potato chunks cook quickly).

Except I use red wine for the meat, and the fed wine is what I do for myself.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:26 PM (sy5kK)

319
For some reason, some of the wisdom imparted by Steve Allen is once again being discussed now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVQpJ3qx6tA

Good stuff. Nothing you don't know already, but maybe you know a young parent or a young dummy who needs to hear some Wisdom...

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 06:27 PM (QU9hs)

320 What is that home made sauerkraut to be paired with?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 05:54 PM

Kielbasa or smoked beef sausage. It won't be ready until next week.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 06:28 PM (/+bwe)

321 314 No doubt good pot roast can be prepared, but I've never come across any.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Once again; pot roast depends entirely on the quality of the meat.

If'n your cookin' a piece of discount remainder 'roast', like cross-rib roast, you will always get a bad result.

Good roasts require a good, authentic roast cut. Period.




Boneless Chuck Roast for the win!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:28 PM (sy5kK)

322 I do nearly the same thing - except the veggies that go soft go in the last half hour (small potato chunks cook quickly).

Except I use red wine for the meat, and the fed wine is what I do for myself.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg


Exchanged veggies; remove the whole carrots and other veg T- 1hour, and add the fresh veg for the remaining time.

Save and mash the removed veg for breakfast fritters.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 06:28 PM (DrqHq)

323 Sometimes I leave half of the potatoes out and add a package of porcini mushroom ravioli.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 06:29 PM (z02nf)

324 Not cooking tonight. Taking the fam out for Mrs Franpsycho's birthday. I will have pasta with oil and pepper.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 23, 2019 06:30 PM (EZebt)

325 Raw fish. Sushi.

Well, I guess some folks do like to use two words, or furrin' words to describe something that only takes one.
Makes em sound all sophisticated and stuff. A europeein thing?

Around here we just call it bait.

Posted by: midwestern at June 23, 2019 06:30 PM (ubFZv)

326 Yum, grilled cheese. And as everyone should know the bread should slathered with light coat of real mayo instead of butter.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 23, 2019 06:31 PM (2iPx5)

327 PBJs for dinner!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 06:32 PM (MVjcR)

328 I'd like to ask the grilled cheese truck guy if I can have one with Camembert on a brioche.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 06:34 PM (fuK7c)

329 LCD!

Heh


I like to fiddle around with spices too. Sometimes I add cumin and cayenne.

Sometimes it's fish sauce and cinnamon.

Always get eaten and is better the day or two after.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 06:34 PM (PkVlr)

330 >>Around here we just call it bait.

>>Posted by: midwestern

Around you, it is.

Not that many tuna swimming around Kansas.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 06:34 PM (PxX58)

331 Sauerkraut with pulled pork and mashes is a New Year's day dinner around here but no reason you can't have it anytime.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 06:35 PM (BbGew)

332 For some reason, some of the wisdom imparted by Steve Allen is once again being discussed now.

Timeless. I'm proud to have been raised by that generation.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 06:36 PM (K22Va)

333 324 Not cooking tonight. Taking the fam out for Mrs Franpsycho's birthday. I will have pasta with oil and pepper.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 23, 2019 06:30 PM (EZebt)


In the last few years when I enjoy a pasta dish, I have been ordering the Sangiovese as my red of choice on the side. Come to think of it, Sangiovese goes darned good with pot roast or steak, too, although it is usually a Cab or a Merlot for me.


Washington state has been growing some great examples of it in the last decade, and it will go toe to toe with anything from that boot-looking country.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:36 PM (sy5kK)

334 PBJs for dinner!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 06:32 PM (MVjcR)


One of our interns got bored with the argument over where to go for lunch, so she pulled a can of beefaroni out of her bag and ate it cold, out of the can, right there in the operations center. You would have been proud.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 06:36 PM (t+qrx)

335 313: Good for you, but they're a slimy bunch and will probably feel more justified. People on the net have been nattering about how it's a "free site" and that the owners won't suffer if membership falls. FB is a free site too, conservatives need to quit. They sell access to knitters, it will be less valuable with fewer of us.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 06:37 PM (U7k5w)

336 I'm making homemade sauerkraut, but the measurements seem off. The water liquid isn't even covering all the veggies.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 05:50 PM (/+bwe)


My recipe is:
Use wide mouth jars if you can: take an outside leaf and cut several rounds the size of the mouth of a large mouth jar. You will use this as an overpatch to keep any mold from the rest of your cabbage when you are ageing it.

mix 1-3/4 lbs of shredded cabbage (and carrots if you like) with 2 Tbsp salt in a bowl and let sit for 30-60 minutes to make brine.

Pack into 2 quart jars. I like to put in red pepper and garlic at this time.

There should be enough brine made to cover the kraut by this time. You can add water if you need to. Place over this one or two or all of the cut leaves by pushing them down throu the mouth to be against the shredded cabbage. The brine should cover anything and be about an inch down from the mouth of the jar

Screw a canning lid and ring onto the jar, gently, and put it aside. I leave it on the drainboard for the sink to catch any boil over, and I burp it once a day. In a week you can start eating it, or you can put it in the fridge to ferment further.

If you use red cabbage you can tell when it is good to go because it changes from a reddish color to a sort purplish color.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 06:37 PM (hSQmw)

337 310 I do not get the hate for andouille. It is great.


You must be new here. Opinions on the food thread are absolutist and strongly held. Makes for interesting lurking.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 23, 2019 06:37 PM (RBFmA)

338 I was sure this was about poke salat. Too bad, there's plenty of the stuff about.

I'll offer this recipe, includes, of course, bacon:

http://tinyurl.com/y5fzrzy5

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 06:38 PM (2kj6M)

339 You must be new here. Opinions on the food thread are absolutist and strongly held.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 23, 2019 06:37 PM (RBFmA)


You could not be more wrong if you tried.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 06:38 PM (t+qrx)

340 Totally OT but I'm completely jazzed!

Out in thee yard and just got overflow by a P-40!!!
Beautiful airplane!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 06:41 PM (axyOa)

341 Good grief just lost power again for about an hour and a half. Last night we lost it for 2 hours. Last night it was storming but it wasn't doing anything a little while ago. This has been an ongoing problem since we moved here 11 years ago.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 06:41 PM (dUJdY)

342 327 PBJs for dinner!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 06:32 PM (MVjcR)


Creamy or chunky?


Actually, it's ok either way, I'm just bored.

I just want to start a new version of mustard or ketchup on your hot dog fight.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:41 PM (sy5kK)

343 Totally OT but I'm completely jazzed!
Out in thee yard and just got overflow by a P-40!!!
Beautiful airplane!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 06:41 PM (axyOa)

Wow! Nice Dio!.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 06:42 PM (Z+IKu)

344 I love extra funky peanut butter

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM (PkVlr)

345 Raw fish. Sushi.

Well, I guess some folks do like to use two words, or furrin' words to describe something that only takes one.
Makes em sound all sophisticated and stuff. A europeein thing?

Around here we just call it bait.
Posted by: midwestern


*puts on pedantric cloak*

That's the thing. Sashimi is raw. Sushi isn't always.

Tamago (yaki) isn't. It's cooked omelet on the familiar pillar of rice.

Likewise, unagi. It's fish of a kind, eel, but it's grilled and glazed. Mmm'wah! Awesome.

My fav; kapa-maki. Sour plum, cucumber, wasabi roll. Sugoku oishii.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM (DrqHq)

346 SHIT

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM (PkVlr)

347 218 Hey, tolerance from the Lefties at Rav:

You have been blocked from participating in this thread

I look for the purges to start soon.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 05:34 PM (Lqy/e)


How is it that Leftist "inclusiveness" is all about excluding people?

Posted by: Emmie at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM (4HMW8)

348
Good grief just lost power again for about an hour and a half. Last night we lost it for 2 hours.

California resident?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM (Wx/+I)

349 I'm definitely in the pro-andouille camp. What's not to like about it?

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM (BpS6n)

350 Opinions on the food thread are absolutist and strongly held. Makes for interesting lurking.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 23, 2019 06:37 PM (RBFmA)


Strong opinions?

Lima beans are the devil's food. They should be banned in any civilized country.

Now that's not a 'strong opinion', that's a fact.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM (Y8PSl)

351 341
Good grief just lost power again for about an hour and a half. Last
night we lost it for 2 hours. Last night it was storming but it wasn't
doing anything a little while ago. This has been an ongoing problem
since we moved here 11 years ago.

I had the same problem and invested in a generator. Haven't lost power since.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM (K22Va)

352 Creamy or chunky?


Processed or the natural kind where the oil separates and you need a mason's trowel to mix it back in?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 06:44 PM (fuK7c)

353 You must be new here. Opinions on the food thread are absolutist and strongly held.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 23, 2019 06:37 PM (RBFmA)

You could not be more wrong if you tried.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 06:38 PM (t+qrx)

This will end well.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 06:44 PM (/+bwe)

354
Only sodomites and traitors prefer creamy peanut butter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 06:45 PM (Wx/+I)

355 You must be new here. Opinions on the food thread are absolutist and strongly held.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 23, 2019 06:37 PM (RBFmA)




You could not be more wrong if you tried.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 06:38 PM (t+qrx)


Andouille atop French Toast with maple syrup?

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:45 PM (ZEsGh)

356 chunky jif

Posted by: trapper's girl at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (4fOQa)

357 342 327 PBJs for dinner!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 06:32 PM (MVjcR)


Creamy or chunky?


Actually, it's ok either way, I'm just bored.

I just want to start a new version of mustard or ketchup on your hot dog fight.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:41 PM (sy5kK)
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Chunky. Super chunky.
I've tried to start the creamy vs. chunky fight before and it didn't go anywhere.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (MVjcR)

358 Lima beans are the devil's food. They should be banned in any civilized country.

Now that's not a 'strong opinion', that's a fact.
Posted by: RickZ
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*?!*

Lima beans, butter beans, speckled beans, navy beans. All reasons to be alive.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (2qPhT)

359 Always want to get a MAGA hat and go up to a Hate has no home here sign house and ask for something.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (BbGew)

360 Thanks, Kindltot! I'll have to see how I like this version. The only thing strange is the Apple

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (/+bwe)

361 Kraft creamy peanut butter FTW!


(Available in Canuckistan)

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (ZEsGh)

362 218 Hey, tolerance from the Lefties at Rav:

You have been blocked from participating in this thread

I look for the purges to start soon.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 05:34 PM (Lqy/e)


It appears this site is like the on-line version of "The View".

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (sy5kK)

363 I believe Jewells in in Misory. Love my aos key chain.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (xzK3J)

364 Only sodomites and traitors prefer creamy peanut butter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 06:45 PM (Wx/+I)


I only use creamy peanut butter for making Chinese/Asian sauces. For eating on bread, it's chunky or go home.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (Y8PSl)

365 Lima beans are the devil's food. They should be banned in any civilized country.
Now that's not a 'strong opinion', that's a fact.
Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM


Luxury! Try being the dingleberries.

Posted by: Brussels Sprouts at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (DMUuz)

366 310 I do not get the hate for andouille. It is great.


This is usually due to confusion between andouille sausage and andouillette.
The former is scrumptious, the latter is basically a pig's colon, and smells and tastes like it.

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 06:47 PM (T6t7i)

367 Oh, and peanut butter and honey sandwiches. Forget jam and jelly.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:48 PM (ZEsGh)

368 Lima beans, butter beans, speckled beans, navy beans. All reasons to be alive.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (2qPhT)


For the love of God, man, do not lump navy beans in with lima beans!

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 06:48 PM (Y8PSl)

369 Well, I'm off to eat dinner (FINALLY!) and relax before bed. Have a great evening!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 23, 2019 06:48 PM (/+bwe)

370 354
Only sodomites and traitors prefer creamy peanut butter.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 06:45 PM (Wx/+I)

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Guess I'm both then, since I only eat creamy pb.

Posted by: SMH at June 23, 2019 06:48 PM (RU4sa)

371 NO BEANS.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 06:48 PM (xzK3J)

372 Was going out for carry-out catfish but tornado warning issued. Wind gusts of 50-60 mph. Got wife secured in basement waiting for storm to pass. Prolly going to lose power. Might be PBJ's for supper. NTTAWWT.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 23, 2019 06:49 PM (2iPx5)

373
Creamy or chunky?


Actually, it's ok either way, I'm just bored.

I just want to start a new version of mustard or ketchup on your hot dog fight.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:41 PM (sy5kK)
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Chunky. Super chunky.
I've tried to start the creamy vs. chunky fight before and it didn't go anywhere.
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (MVjcR)


Too bad.

I like your style.


Ok, then. Hmmm.

Jam, or Jelly?

Why throw away perfectly good seeds?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 06:49 PM (sy5kK)

374 Chunky peanut butter and bacon sammich on toasted sourdough

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 06:50 PM (PkVlr)

375 >>Luxury! Try being the dingleberries.

>>Posted by: Brussels Sprouts


Satan's dingleberries.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 06:50 PM (PxX58)

376
Was going out for carry-out catfish but tornado warning issued. Wind
gusts of 50-60 mph. Got wife secured in basement waiting for storm to
pass. Prolly going to lose power. Might be PBJ's for supper. NTTAWWT.


Posted by: olddog in mo at June 23, 2019 06:49 PM (2iPx5)

Tornado warning aside, I'm glad Mrs. olddog is in the basement. Better than the hospital.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:51 PM (ZEsGh)

377 >>> Always want to get a MAGA hat and go up to a Hate has no home here sign house and ask for something.

We were at Whole Paycheck yesterday. Some of those people made me want to get a MAGA hat.

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 06:51 PM (dCRRg)

378 Luxury! Try being the dingleberries.

Posted by: Brussels Sprouts at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (DMUuz)


While I loathe lima beans with the same passion that I have for commies, fresh (never frozen) Brussels sprouts are good food.

I have a recipe I created that I made one family Thanksgiving. Had ten-year-olds, including adult ten-tear-olds, wanting seconds. Even got asked for the recipe.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 06:52 PM (Y8PSl)

379 anyone who likes laws or sausages should not see either one being made.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 06:52 PM (omAHa)

380 Always want to get a MAGA hat and go up to a Hate has no home here sign house and ask for something.
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (BbGew)


Just kick the door down and take it, borders are racist and doors are just little borders for your house.

It's not like you'll be in imminent mortal peril from just kicking the door in there, anyway.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 06:53 PM (t+qrx)

381 Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 06:52 PM (omAHa)

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Nice hash, Peyton.

Posted by: SMH at June 23, 2019 06:53 PM (RU4sa)

382 I've never understood people who like beans of any type, let alone chalky flavorless lima beans. Gah.

My Sunday dinner: the Twenty-Seventy Swizzle. Lime, honey, brown sugar, dash aromatic bitters, dash of absinthe, Angostura rum, and 151 proof Lemon Hart rum.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 06:53 PM (sgHEm)

383 367 Oh, and peanut butter and honey sandwiches. Forget jam and jelly.
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:48 PM (ZEsGh)


Don't forget the bananas.

Posted by: Elvis Presley at June 23, 2019 06:53 PM (sy5kK)

384 You are correct Infidel. Misory it it and thanks! Glad you like the keychain

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 06:54 PM (dUJdY)

385 Lima beans are the devil's food. They should be banned in any civilized country.
Now that's not a 'strong opinion', that's a fact.
Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 06:43 PM
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there's a reason *everyone* hated the Ham and Mothers C-rat.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 06:54 PM (omAHa)

386 Chunky. Super chunky.

I've tried to start the creamy vs. chunky fight before and it didn't go anywhere.
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 06:46 PM (MVjcR)


either one is fine by me, but the best use is on heavy rye with chopped onion.

The second best use is for making satay.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 06:54 PM (hSQmw)

387 Hey! Got any grapes?

Posted by: Duck at June 23, 2019 06:55 PM (z2W2E)

388 Don't forget the bananas.


Posted by: Elvis Presley at June 23, 2019 06:53 PM (sy5kK)


Absolutely not. As in, I hate bananas.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:55 PM (ZEsGh)

389 RickZ, you and me bud, we're sympatico. Love brussel sprouts, roasted til just a little crunchy at the edges. One of the few vegetables that has umami.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 06:55 PM (sgHEm)

390 Olddog.. we have been having some crazy weather haven't we?? God I want to leave this state so bad. I'm tired of storms, tornado warnings, humidity, crappy winters.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 06:55 PM (dUJdY)

391 Creamy PB. If I want nuts I'll buy a can of Planters.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 23, 2019 06:55 PM (2iPx5)

392 372 Was going out for carry-out catfish but tornado warning issued. Wind gusts of 50-60 mph. Got wife secured in basement waiting for storm to pass. Prolly going to lose power. Might be PBJ's for supper. NTTAWWT.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 23, 2019 06:49 PM (2iPx5)

Rut roh...means I'll be getting that soon.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 06:56 PM (cF8AT)

393 BLT with PB, FTW.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 06:56 PM (xzK3J)

394 gotta go get the baby backs ready for the grill...

back for the 2nd Gub thread of the day!

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 06:56 PM (omAHa)

395 >>While I loathe lima beans with the same passion that I have for commies, fresh (never frozen) Brussels sprouts are good food.

You can't even have a rational debate with people like this.

It isn't even wrong. It's what come after wrong.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 06:56 PM (PxX58)

396 either one is fine by me, but the best use is on heavy rye with chopped onion.


What strange culture calls liverwurst peanut butter?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 06:56 PM (fuK7c)

397 Absolutely not. As in, I hate bananas.
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:55 PM (ZEsGh)


This right here is a good opinion. Take note.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 06:56 PM (t+qrx)

398 Absolutely not. As in, I hate bananas.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:55 PM (ZEsGh)

Well, considering bananas no longer taste like bananas, but rather some off-flavored chemical, you aren't missing anything. I miss the good ol' days when bananas tasted like bananas.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 06:57 PM (Y8PSl)

399 Where are you at Tami?

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 06:57 PM (dUJdY)

400 Liverwurst is fine, but peanut butter and onions is wonderful.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 06:57 PM (hSQmw)

401 Who let the Italicans in?

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 06:57 PM (dUJdY)

402 Old black lady on the first floor where I worked made the best bacon, egg and cheese sandwiches I have ever tasted. Never could copy them.

Posted by: dartist at June 23, 2019 06:57 PM (K22Va)

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 06:57 PM (T6t7i)

404 not me for once, whew!

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 06:58 PM (hSQmw)

405 This right here is a good opinion. Take note.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 06:56 PM (t+qrx)

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If you think so.

I love bananas.

Posted by: SMH at June 23, 2019 06:58 PM (RU4sa)

406 Oh Rick

Posted by: The Barrel at June 23, 2019 06:58 PM (fuK7c)

407 I come from Polish stock. And we most likely appropriated kolaches from Hungarians. Ours are made with a nut or poppyseed filling. Sweet yeast dough rolled out and slathered with the filling. Roll it up and let it raise. Bake, cool and dust with powdered sugar.
Sounds like the Texas treat originated with the Czechs so ours is probably a variation.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 23, 2019 06:58 PM (5vDKw)

408 399 Where are you at Tami?

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 06:57 PM (dUJdY)

SEMO....St. Francois county.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 06:58 PM (cF8AT)

409 Enjoy the barrel, Rick.

Brussels sprout thrive there. Because of course they do.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 06:59 PM (PxX58)

410 Jewells, daughter suggested building an Ark. Bridge from Cape to IL is closed due to highwater. Had to drive 30 miles south to Sikeston to get to W.Ky.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 23, 2019 06:59 PM (2iPx5)

411 I should call Mama Vendette and thank her for not subjecting me and my siblings to things like brussel sprouts and liver.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:59 PM (ZEsGh)

412 I'd just like to point out that it wasn't me either, yet I stepped up and rectified the situation. I think this should entitle me to choosing the interior decoration next time I'm in the barrel.

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 06:59 PM (T6t7i)

413 Fun fact
Bananas are sterile and the main species of tree hasn't changed in over 100 years, making it susceptible to disease wiping out the majority of the fruit

Posted by: Total Control Racist at June 23, 2019 06:59 PM (z2W2E)

414 either one is fine by me, but the best use is on heavy rye with chopped onion.


What strange culture calls liverwurst peanut butter?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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With a slice of tomato and mayo...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 23, 2019 06:59 PM (UUBmN)

415 >>> My Sunday dinner: the Twenty-Seventy Swizzle. Lime, honey, brown sugar, dash aromatic bitters, dash of absinthe, Angostura rum, and 151 proof Lemon Hart rum.

Sounds tasty, but too much work, including too much work at the liquor store.

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 06:59 PM (dCRRg)

416 176 I know a lady at church that refuses to drink of the chalice containing the Precious Blood of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for fear of getting some disease. I tease her about it. "What! You want it in one of those tiny cups the Protestants use?"
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 05:15 PM (I5SAg)
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Almost everybody did intinction this morning (healing Sunday), which is not usual, and the result was I had to drink half a chalice of fortified wine at 8:50 in the morning. Made walking down the aisle and trying to read the hymnbook at the same time interesting...

We had a substitute priest today, and let's just say she didn't water down the wine VERY MUCH.

Posted by: Caliban at June 23, 2019 07:00 PM (QE8X6)

417 413
Fun fact

Bananas are sterile and the main species of tree hasn't changed in
over 100 years, making it susceptible to disease wiping out the
majority of the fruit


Which is happening as we speak. Some sort of banana plague is moving through the population, wiping it out.

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 07:00 PM (T6t7i)

418 Total Control -- so bananas multiply by cloning, like mint?

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:00 PM (sgHEm)

419 Rut roh...means I'll be getting that soon.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 06:56 PM

Shouldn't, Tami. I'm down at Kentucky Lake this weekend.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (2iPx5)

420 Pastafarian, I stole a roasted Brussels sprouts recipe from a restaurant. Roasted, then halfway through, adding pecans. While they cook, prepare a roasted garlic-Parmigiano Reggiano cream sauce. De-fuckin'-lish!

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (Y8PSl)

421 SEMO....St. Francois county.

Ahh, okay I forgot.

Olddog.. seriously am considering it myself. This really has been a lousy spring and summer so far.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (dUJdY)

422 Nood

Posted by: BigZesty at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (DK0/s)

423 Bananas are sterile and the main species of tree hasn't changed in over 100 years, making it susceptible to disease wiping out the majority of the fruit
Posted by: Total Control Racist


All avocados come from one tree in Mexico.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (DrqHq)

424 Like someone said upthread, Brussel Sprouts are satan's dingleberries.

No matter how you dress them up.

Posted by: SMH at June 23, 2019 07:02 PM (RU4sa)

425 The bananas what are in danger are the "Chiquitas", which are a true monoculture. They are all genetically identical.

There are still oodles of other indigenous banana varieties across the world. It's just that the whole industry runs on Chiquitas.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 07:02 PM (fuK7c)

426 fluffy, that's a pretty simple recipe, compared to some I like to mix. I just love putting 15 or 20 minutes into a nice tiki cocktail, with a chilled glass and elaborate garnish. Heightens the anticipation.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:03 PM (sgHEm)

427 Dinner tonight?

Chicken breast throw into a crock pot with taco seasoning and lots of salsa.

Rilly, rilly hard to screw up Messican food.

best part, is that it's very basic, not a lot of preservatives and all that booshit what makes people get all het up.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Chef at June 23, 2019 07:03 PM (VAJVe)

428 Shouldn't, Tami. I'm down at Kentucky Lake this weekend.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (2iPx5)

I checked the radar on TWC...got some red coming right over us about 9 pm.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 07:03 PM (cF8AT)

429 411 I should call Mama Vendette and thank her for not subjecting me and my siblings to things like brussel sprouts and liver.


Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 06:59 PM (ZEsGh)


You lucky girl.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 07:03 PM (xzK3J)

430 I'm in the minority, but I liked the ham and Lima bean C-Rat.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 07:03 PM (gC2IV)

431 The first time I had raw fish was, I gonna guess, 1985 in San Fran. I was able to gag down some red, red tuna while the film crew cheered, but only by washing it down with warm, delicious sake. It was also this New England boy's first introduction to the steamboat method of cooking fish at the table. (Also more sake.)

Posted by: Caliban at June 23, 2019 07:04 PM (QE8X6)

432 best part, is that it's very basic, not a lot of preservatives and all that booshit what makes people get all het up.
Posted by: Pug Mahon


Try boneless chicken thighs next time.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (DrqHq)

433 Gross. El Burrito Jr., by chance?

Posted by: LASue at June 23, 2019 05:36 PM (wMHPW)

Super Taqueria is the most offending - cheap and the day workers swarm there because beef cheeks, jowels, goat, etc. It can be good, but the clientele are mostly third world.

The place I frequent is Tortilla house - they grill (rather than the stew-type stuff), make their own tortillas and are fastidiously clean. They only have one type of salsa in bottles (peanut/habanero) and it tends to stay put. Granted, it's a much smaller place than the ST's.

Posted by: clutch cargo at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (sLicW)

434 I wanted to make extra carbohydrates for my elderly, underweight Folks, but opening a can of Bush's pork ' beans was all I could muster.

I haven't eaten, I'm not hungry and I'm going to take a nap.

Later, Gators!

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (Ckg4U)

435 >>Like someone said upthread, Brussel Sprouts are satan's dingleberries.

>>No matter how you dress them up.

Ding.

Tuna is so good you can eat it as soon as you pull it out of the water as it is.

Brussels sprouts still taste like ass even when you cook them with bacon and cheese. They still taste like ass with bacon and cheese.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (PxX58)

436 Total Control -- so bananas multiply by cloning, like mint?

***

Originally bananas were inedible, being mostly hard small seeds in a pod. People would find mutant ones where the seeds were absent and plant grafts. Eventually the mutant ones replaced the old ones.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (z2W2E)

437 I have made a lot of sausage. A lot.

Pig killing is a typical winter thing in Central Europe. It stars with a live hog, live people, and booze.

It ends with a dead hog, sausage, hams, hocks and bacon in the brine to start curing, more booze and people who are technically alive but mainly passed out.

Posted by: Miklos, it's called disznovagas in Hungarian at June 23, 2019 07:06 PM (QzkSJ)

438 RickZ, that sounds awesome -- you could send it to CBD, maybe he'll include it in a future food thread.

Probably pretty keto, too. I cheat a bit (quite a bit) with cocktails, but other than that, I've been low-ish carb, since Ace first mentioned the idea.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:06 PM (sgHEm)

439 Try boneless chicken thighs next time.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (DrqHq)

Would do that, but i am the only soul in the Mahon home what likes dark meat.

Philistines.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Chef at June 23, 2019 07:08 PM (VAJVe)

440 There is a disturbance in the force, as if someone suddenly said...

Gubs!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Chef at June 23, 2019 07:12 PM (VAJVe)

441 I'm in the minority, but I liked the ham and Lima bean C-Rat.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 07:03 PM


Where were you when I so desperately needed to trade?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 07:12 PM (DMUuz)

442 Would do that, but i am the only soul in the Mahon home what likes dark meat.

Philistines.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not a Chef at June 23, 2019 07:08 PM (VAJVe)


On a serious note, I really do not understand the hatred for dark chicken or turkey meat. I really don't. It's still chicken or turkey, just with more flavor. Someone with some knowledge on this subject needs to explain it to me.

Posted by: RickZ at June 23, 2019 07:15 PM (Y8PSl)

443 Pug, that's so sad. Dark meat is the best. Especially chicken thighs. Nice and moist, unlike the breasteses.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 23, 2019 07:15 PM (2iPx5)

444 I don't know why I post recipes on here. I always forget a step and nobody gives a shit, anyways.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 23, 2019 07:24 PM (Ckg4U)

445 I don't know why I post recipes on here. I always forget a step and nobody gives a shit, anyways.
Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast

I thought your recipe for sriracha Lucky Charms with kale was pretty good.

Posted by: Miklos, omnivore at June 23, 2019 07:27 PM (QzkSJ)

446 Worked so late I missed the food thread.

I did not know pepper could burn!

I guess I better not go to that food truck...I love tomato on my grilled cheese.

Slapweasel, what step did you miss? Those mexi-fries sound really good!

Posted by: My life is insanity at June 23, 2019 08:03 PM (9p9/h)

447 Jicama tortillas are in season:

https://www.heb.com/product-detail/fresh-jicama-tortillas/1997448

Last night my wife made street tacos with pulled pork.

Yummm!

Posted by: Marooned at June 23, 2019 09:38 PM (8hRlF)

448 Born and raised in Alaska, and Alaska being a mere 5.5 hour flight from Hawaii, nearly all my forays into the Lower 48 (and by extension, the rest of this world) have been to the glorious sands of Maui and its near environs.
I'm oversimplifying, but you get the gist.

Anywho, you walk into pert near any grocer and/or Costco in the Islands and you will find God's own chosen poke, made fresh that hour from fish caught, likely that hour, and bought by you that hour to be consumed that minute and I forgot my point but damn I love me some poke.

In short, and to sum up, folk who live in Hawaii have access to poke that is better than anything you can imagine, and more readily too. Which is why I live in Florida now, apparently. Ain't life funny?

Posted by: akronin at June 23, 2019 11:22 PM (GB4f6)

449 Yummy

Posted by: Summer of Love at June 24, 2019 02:35 AM (FJrl0)

450 54 Nurse Ratched ..a little wasabi stirred up in Shoyu is divine.

Posted by: Summer of Love at June 24, 2019 02:45 AM (FJrl0)

451 56 Tami NO!
Ancient Hawaiian secret currently all trendy cool..

Posted by: Summer of Love at June 24, 2019 02:49 AM (FJrl0)

The Three Fifths Compromise And Illegal Immigration

From commenter "LiveFreeOrDie" comes a short video on The Three Fifths Compromise and Illegal Immigration.

I’ve put together a video on illegal immigration with a good hook, where I compare the current dynamics to the 3/5 Compromise.
It's good explanation of the origins of the compromise, which is almost universally misunderstood (or purposefully conflated with its opposite intent). Just ask a recent college graduate what it is and what it means, and you will see...

[Another version of the video is embedded below the fold...]


ThreeFifthsCompromise from Joshua Davenport on Vimeo.

Posted by: CBD at 02:30 PM




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1

Nice to see willow hasn't lost her touch.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:35 PM (JAi0L)

2 Can't be.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 02:35 PM (HaL55)

3 Shazbot! I knew it.

I just clicked and this thread was like, right there, man.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (HaL55)

4 I prefer the 3/6ths compromise

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (j5RRD)

5 4 I prefer the 3/6ths compromise
Posted by: G marks the spot at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (j5RRD)

Kinda half-assed.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (NWiLs)

6 sooth I was First and maybe last!

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 02:37 PM (r/xAU)

7 Big bowl of nuthin, that's what I gots.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 02:37 PM (a4qVe)

8 my speaker pluggy doesn'twork,pleasetellmehowthe3/5 was explained.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 02:38 PM (r/xAU)

9 Others fetched

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 23, 2019 02:38 PM (j5RRD)

10 Purposely conflated? No shit.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:39 PM (I5SAg)

11 Three fifths compromise is where you have one buddy who doen't know what good bourbon tastes like, so you get him Jim Beam while you and your other buddies drink Buffalo Trace and Woodford.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at June 23, 2019 02:39 PM (VAJVe)

12 5 4 I prefer the 3/6ths compromise
Posted by: G marks the spot at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (j5RRD)

Kinda half-assed.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (NWiLs)

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Motherfucker!

Posted by: Brie Larson at June 23, 2019 02:41 PM (gC2IV)

13
Pretty darn brilliant. Maybe in Tom Cotton's presidency we can get to work on the rewording of that 14th amendment.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 23, 2019 02:41 PM (13CQC)

14 Very few people know what the 3/5 compromise was all about or that the Southern States actually wanted 5/5, or better said all counted.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 02:42 PM (mpXpK)

15 Doubt a college student will know what the 3/5 comprise was. The Leftist version is the only thing they ever heard.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 02:42 PM (BbGew)

16 Oh no. We were just talking about arguing logic at people who don't speak it. Trying to educate someone on the 3/5ths thing and explaining that it was intended to disenfranchise ACTUAL LITERAL WHITE SUPREMACISTS WHO WERE RACIST is impossible if they haven't used up all their angry yet and still have loads more angry where that came from.

I'm going to go play some songs with a 3/4 compromise.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:42 PM (t+qrx)

17 Has Joshua Davenport gotten any death threats yet from the loving, tolerant and inclusive left?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2019 02:43 PM (ivkO2)

18 It really doesn't matter anyway. There are no more slaves to be counted.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 02:44 PM (mpXpK)

19 Losing one arm hardly makes one 3/5 of a human being!

Posted by: michelle fields at June 23, 2019 02:44 PM (Dh1wo)

20

Christ Almighty.

In a new Doctor Who episode, "Britain's first muslim heroine" of WWII will be featured. And, it's a woman.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:44 PM (JAi0L)

21 The problem is to understand the 3/5ths compromise takes intelligence, historical knowledge, and intellectual honesty, traits that are shockingly rare.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 23, 2019 02:45 PM (kfdLC)

22 Didn't all the 3/5ths gobblygook and talk about telling others what to do from Washington DC and Scott v. Sandford lead to shooting in 1861?

All governmental powers come from the barrel of a gun.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 02:45 PM (Z+IKu)

23 As for it's application for today: the blue states would LOVE illegals to openly vote. Apples and oranges.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 02:46 PM (U7k5w)

24 That's a great video outlining the problem and the solution.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 02:47 PM (HaL55)

25 Oh no. We were just talking about arguing logic at people who don't speak it. Trying to educate someone on the 3/5ths thing and explaining that it was intended to disenfranchise ACTUAL LITERAL WHITE SUPREMACISTS WHO WERE RACIST is impossible if they haven't used up all their angry yet and still have loads more angry where that came from.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:42 PM (t+qrx)


Try this argument: the North wanted black slaves to be counted as 0/5ths. The South wanted them to be counted as 5/5ths. So tell me who was racist by liberal logic.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 23, 2019 02:47 PM (kfdLC)

26 Very few people know what the 3/5 compromise was all about or that the Southern States actually wanted 5/5, or better said all counted.
Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 02:42 PM (mpXpK)

It's pretty much only Democrats that are willfully ignorant of it. Because one of them unintentionally briefly glanced at the Constitution a couple decades ago and thought they found something racially inflammatory they could use to swing votes.

Posted by: Sjg at June 23, 2019 02:48 PM (gDSJf)

27 I still don't understand why they were dancing.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:48 PM (t+qrx)

28 The lesser known 1/5 compromise estabished whiskey measurements .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 02:49 PM (2DOZq)

29 No to representation without taxation!

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 23, 2019 02:49 PM (t0Z53)

30
In a new Doctor Who episode, "Britain's first muslim heroine" of WWII will be featured. And, it's a woman.
Posted by: Soothsayer


There's none of that sjw garbage here:

http://pluto.tv/live-tv/doctor-who-classic

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 02:50 PM (aKsyK)

31 Only an AP U.S. History student from the 1970s or earlier knows what the 3/5ths thing was about. It is NOT taught in college, unless you are a student of U.S. History.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:50 PM (I5SAg)

32 It is NOT taught in college,

Just what IS taught in college now, outside of STEM departments (and maybe even some of them are questionable)?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 23, 2019 02:51 PM (kfdLC)

33 I got about a minute into that video. I knew all that in the third grade.

So for those with the stomach to pursue it is he proposing some proportional representation for illegals?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 02:51 PM (fuK7c)

34 31
Only an AP U.S. History student from the 1970s or earlier knows what the
3/5ths thing was about. It is NOT taught in college, unless you are a
student of U.S. History.


Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:50 PM (I5SAg)

I borrowed a US History book from a friend of mine that is used at Wofford. I don't recall seeing anything in it about the 3/5 compromise.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 02:52 PM (mpXpK)

35 Compromise hell I need all 5 5ths.

Posted by: HRC at June 23, 2019 02:53 PM (UdKB7)

36 We do live in a country in which the only party nominally opposed to government control that could not overturn the most invasive and far-reaching set of laws in the PP / ACA.

Clever ideas like that don't even begin to approach the situation we are in.

We are seemingly incapable of taxing remittances to countries that are encouraging their citizens to break our laws.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 02:53 PM (DrqHq)

37 What is bad about that history book is I had the local bookstore order me a copy. Since it was used as a college text it was expensive. Someone borrowed it from me and never brought it back.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 02:54 PM (mpXpK)

38
Just what IS taught in college now, outside of STEM departments (and maybe even some of them are questionable)?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 23, 2019 02:51 PM (

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Maximizing Your Victimhood 101

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:54 PM (gC2IV)

39 So for those with the stomach to pursue it is he proposing some proportional representation for illegals?

If you'da watched the whole thing, you'd know.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 02:54 PM (HaL55)

40

In a new Doctor Who episode, "Britain's first muslim heroine" of WWII will be featured. And, it's a woman.



Huh. As I recall, the Muzz were Hitler's best pals.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 02:55 PM (oVJmc)

41 If you'da watched the whole thing, you'd know.


Sure. But I don't wanna.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 02:55 PM (fuK7c)

42 So for those with the stomach to pursue it is he proposing some proportional representation for illegals?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 02:51 PM (fuK7c)


Nope. Changing 'persons' to 'citizens' in the text.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:56 PM (t+qrx)

43 Only an AP U.S. History student from the 1970s or earlier knows what the 3/5ths thing was about. It is NOT taught in college, unless you are a student of U.S. History.
Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:50 PM (I5SAg)

It was correctly taught in junior high US History in the 90's, by a left wing teacher even.

Posted by: Sjg at June 23, 2019 02:56 PM (gDSJf)

44 39
So for those with the stomach to pursue it is he proposing some proportional representation for illegals?

If you'da watched the whole thing, you'd know.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 02:54 PM (HaL55)

CA already counts illegals for the purpose setting the number of legislators.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 02:56 PM (mpXpK)

45 The solution consists of a single word in the 14th Amendment. It's simple, easily understood and makes sense, which is why it'll never happen until Barron Trump becomes preezy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 02:56 PM (HaL55)

46 Very crafty video conflating states wanting slaves counted in the census with states wanting illegals counted in the census.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:56 PM (CFSlN)

47 Actually, like, the founding fathers chose 3/5ths because they knew black people couldn't pronounce 3/5ths and so they were sent to the concentration camps.

Step One: "Tree-fiddy"

Step Two: Concentration camp.

Patriarchy completed!

Posted by: Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez at June 23, 2019 02:57 PM (gAXBD)

48 just watched Hotel Mumbai on dvd - great movie
I understand they fictionalized the main characters ( combining stories of survivors) bit the main plot is fairly accurate

However, if you look on imdb so many negative reviews claiming it's "stupid" "boring" " too gory" - guessing the reviewers are muzbro butt kissers

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 02:57 PM (dm05u)

49 CA already counts illegals for the purpose setting the number of legislators.

But that's just for the State House, right? I don't think they've changed the number of DC reps, but I think they want to for that reason.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 02:57 PM (HaL55)

50 You know what I don't know much about? The Articles of Confederation.

We laud our founders as the cream of the Enlightenment, but they fucked it up before they got it right.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 02:57 PM (fuK7c)

51 This is why Democrats are so violently opposed to the citizenship question in the census. They are thinking Republicans will use that to hammer States like CA.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 02:58 PM (mpXpK)

52 As the interpretation goes today, an illegal alien with four wives has at least five bodies contributing to 'proportional representation'. A US citizen with a US spouse has two.

Which 'person' would a state prefer if money and power depend on body count rather than citizenship?

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 23, 2019 02:58 PM (MIKMs)

53 49 But that's just for the State House, right? I don't
think they've changed the number of DC reps, but I think they want to
for that reason.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 02:57 PM (HaL55)

I think its for both.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 02:59 PM (mpXpK)

54
*?*

I must have learned about the 3/5 when I was in high school. U.S History? Civics? One of those.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:59 PM (w54mS)

55 Very crafty video conflating states wanting slaves counted in the census with states wanting illegals counted in the census.
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:56 PM (CFSlN)


Democrats gonna Democrat.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:59 PM (t+qrx)

56 You know I have the same initials as the Articles of Confederation, right?

Posted by: Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez at June 23, 2019 02:59 PM (gAXBD)

57 I think its for both.

Posted by: Vic



I am pretty sure that California does not get to make its own rules for how many people it sends to the U.S. Congress.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 03:00 PM (fuK7c)

58 Maximizing Your Victimhood 101
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:54 PM (gC2IV)


And that's in a calculus class. First differentiate your victimhood, set the derivative to zero, then differentiate it again to determine whether the extremum is a minimum or a maximum. Because Gaia knows you don't want inadvertently to minimize your victimhood.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 23, 2019 03:01 PM (kfdLC)

59 42: Blue states would be thrilled to make them citizens, I don't think this slavery comparison is helpful.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 03:02 PM (U7k5w)

60 Just ask a recent college graduate about the three-fifths compromise?

Let's start with Oberlin's class of 2019. Or Harvard's.

LOL

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 23, 2019 03:02 PM (4ZE6o)

61 The lesser known 1/5 compromise estabished whiskey measurements .
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 02:49 PM

That was the Whiskey Rebellion that GW put down. I had a relative jailed for that.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 03:02 PM (BbGew)

62 From a site on the internet.

California could lose a seat in the House of Representatives and some
Congressional districts could lose population if the millions of illegal
immigrants living in the state, which has the largest number of illegal
immigrants by far, aren't counted in the 2020 census.


https://tinyurl.com/y39kpxdj

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 03:02 PM (mpXpK)

63 You know what I don't know much about? The Articles of Confederation.

We laud our founders as the cream of the Enlightenment, but they fucked it up before they got it right.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 02:57 PM (fuK

It was actually an argument /example against a weak central government and limitless state sovereignty. Unfortunately the pendulum swung too far toward Federal power.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 03:02 PM (2DOZq)

64 I'd compromise on an 19 year old for an 18 year old..do I have an AMEN......oops I am not a congress critter...
so can we split the difference and have a few males and LBQWERTYUIOP 's too ......

Posted by: saf at June 23, 2019 03:03 PM (5IHGB)

65 I must have learned about the 3/5 when I was in high school. U.S History? Civics? One of those.
=====

No such thing any more. Social Studies is the proper term for indoctrination.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 23, 2019 03:03 PM (MIKMs)

66 interesting. this explains the reason illegals should be counted (as among "all persons"), which i didn't think was justified. but there is still good reason to include the citizenship question as it adds a bit of important datum (how many citizens) among a lot of other data collected in the census.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:03 PM (Pg+x7)

67 CA makes its own rules for a LOT of shit.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 03:03 PM (mpXpK)

68 I am pretty sure that California does not get to make its own rules for how many people it sends to the U.S. Congress.

I don't think so either. But I seem to recall Glorious People's Republik of Kaleefornia making some sort of argument for that not too long ago. They want power and will break the law (and/or Legal Intent and Principle) in order to gain it BAMN.
Rush has mentioned several times that the Progs' master plan is to let in a bunch of illegals, then give them voting rights because "fairness." Bad idea.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 03:04 PM (HaL55)

69 I'm a foreigner and I know the 3/5s compromise history although I have spent the past 20 years reading conservative blogs and magazine websites.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2019 03:05 PM (Dh1wo)

70 ... this is a good video, but not supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:05 PM (Pg+x7)

71 49 CA already counts illegals for the purpose setting the number of legislators.

But that's just for the State House, right? I don't think they've changed the number of DC reps, but I think they want to for that reason.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 02:57 PM (HaL55)

Actually, yes, illegals count towards the number of reps a state gets in the US House and always has.

This is because the 14th Amendment of the Constitution says that the Census, for purposes of apportionment, shall count the whole number of PERSONS, not the number of citizens. (excluding Indians not taxed, but that situation was addressed in later legislation)

So yes, the more illegals a state has, the more they are rewarded in representation - it's in the Constitution, for now. Why the Democrats are scared about asking the question is the census is that they worry that Illegals will think answering the question will lead to them being identified and deported, and thus they will hide from the census, and thus California and New York's official population for reapportionment purposes will be lower than it would be if all the illegals happily identified themselves.

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:06 PM (V2Yro)

72 If citizenship can't be asked on the census, what's the justification for all the rest of the questions?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 03:07 PM (gC2IV)

73 From a site on the internet.


Authoritative.

California does not set its own rules. Illegals are currently counted everywhere for apportionment.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 03:07 PM (fuK7c)

74 well done video

Posted by: booknlass at June 23, 2019 03:08 PM (xIKXj)

75 If they steal representation in Congress, they also steal Electoral votes, since they are equal. The idea they can pull some sanctuary bullshit and steal power from citizens is pure criminal.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 03:09 PM (oVJmc)

76 If citizenship can't be asked on the census, what's the justification for all the rest of the questions?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 03:07 PM (gC2IV)

Money.

Who gets what from you know who to buy more votes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 03:09 PM (Z+IKu)

77 73 It's all baked into the plot for the popular vote scam

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 03:09 PM (BbGew)

78 68 I am pretty sure that California does not get to make its own rules for how many people it sends to the U.S. Congress.

I don't think so either. But I seem to recall Glorious People's Republik of Kaleefornia making some sort of argument for that not too long ago. They want power and will break the law (and/or Legal Intent and Principle) in order to gain it BAMN.
Rush has mentioned several times that the Progs' master plan is to let in a bunch of illegals, then give them voting rights because "fairness." Bad idea.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 03:04 PM (HaL55)


This is exactly why they want to eliminate the electoral college.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 03:10 PM (xzK3J)

79 66 interesting. this explains the reason illegals should be counted (as among "all persons"), which i didn't think was justified.

There's a couple hundred years of court precedents that have held that a "person" for the purposes of the census is anyone who is living and breathing and physically present in this country.

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:10 PM (V2Yro)

80 72 If citizenship can't be asked on the census, what's the justification for all the rest of the questions?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 03:07 PM (gC2IV)

I think one of the Supreme Court Justices asked that question during oral arguments.

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:11 PM (V2Yro)

81 ... if all the illegals in the u.s. were concentrated in wyoming, should wyoming have more than 1 representative in the house?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:12 PM (Pg+x7)

82 When Trump wins in a landslide in 2020, the prog talking point will shift from the electoral college to "the tyranny of the majority." Bank it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 03:12 PM (gC2IV)

83 Illegal Aliens !!! COME AGAIN ....... why not SPACE IS A VACUUM...A.k.a fill it with whatever....

Posted by: saf at June 23, 2019 03:14 PM (5IHGB)

84 ... (p.s. i think i have answered 1 census form in my life.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:14 PM (Pg+x7)

85 We were taught this in my 7th grade American History class..

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 03:15 PM (kQs4Y)

86 Posted by: saf at June 23, 2019 03:14 PM (5IHGB)

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You live in Denver, don't you?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 03:15 PM (gC2IV)

87 When Trump wins in a landslide in 2020, the prog talking point will shift from the electoral college to "the tyranny of the majority." Bank it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 03:12 PM (gC2IV)


Noted.

May their popular vote referenda blow their own feet off first, though.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 03:15 PM (t+qrx)

88 honestly ^^^ ?

Posted by: saf at June 23, 2019 03:16 PM (5IHGB)

89 81 ... if all the illegals in the u.s. were concentrated in wyoming, should wyoming have more than 1 representative in the house?
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:12 PM (Pg+x7)

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution, in plain and clear language, says Yes.

to answer another question you haven't asked yet - if a mythical district in Wyoming had 1,000,000 illegals who could not vote, and only 1 American Citizen in it who could vote, that Citizen could vote for himself as Congressmen and he would win, 1-0.

Just remember this whenever anyone says that the Constitution doesn't have any mistakes in it. It does, and this is one of the big ones. But the only way to change is through another Amendment - maybe that would be a good time to clear up what "natural born citizen" actually means, as well.

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:16 PM (V2Yro)

90 Snowed in CO today.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 03:17 PM (CFSlN)

91 We really need to DO SOMETHING! about 1858 AD.

Posted by: Burger Chef at June 23, 2019 03:18 PM (RuIsu)

92 ... i was under the impression that lib states wanted open borders so that the illegals will become citizens and vote for democrats. but now i see that just having more "persons" in their sanctuary states means they get more representatives, citizenship or not. interesting.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:19 PM (Pg+x7)

93 We really need to DO SOMETHING! about 1858 AD.

Gregorian or Julian?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 03:19 PM (fuK7c)

94 [... but still not supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.]

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:19 PM (Pg+x7)

95 But I don't wanna.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 02:55 PM (fuK7c)

Afraid you'll have to run to the dictionary?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2019 03:19 PM (wYseH)

96 That WWII Muslim heroine is legit: Noor Inayat Khan. Sufi Muslim family.

Posted by: butch at June 23, 2019 03:20 PM (0APJ3)

97 >>>Just remember this whenever anyone says that the Constitution doesn't have any mistakes in it. It does, and this is one of the big ones. But the only way to change is through another Amendment - maybe that would be a good time to clear up what "natural born citizen" actually means, as well.

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:16 PM (V2Yro)



The Constitution is not a mistake. It's provisions allow for amendments. The founding fathers never intended for non-citizens to be allowed to vote.

Democrats are adulterers.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 03:21 PM (CFSlN)

98 Afraid you'll have to run to the dictionary?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


That or the fact that Vimeo doesn't have a play at higher speed option.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 03:22 PM (DrqHq)

99 There's a couple hundred years of court precedents that have held that a
"person" for the purposes of the census is anyone who is living and
breathing and physically present in this country.


We also have the right to alter our government as time and situations change. LFoD's video 'splains the reasoning for the usage of that particular word: westward expansion.

Today things have changed. I doubt the Founders could've anticipated that our immigration laws would be ignored and we'd be flooded with criminal alien invaders who refused to obey our laws or assimilate.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 03:23 PM (HaL55)

100 Oh, aye! - "That Yorkshire Sound":

https://vimeo.com/channels/staffpicks /342692141?from=outro-embed

"A hand drawn animated documentary, following the rhythms of a day in Yorkshire. It captures the sound of Yorkshire, from it's multicultural and bustling cities like Bradford and Sheffield, to the delicate sounds of birds in the country side and the hypnotic rhythm of the motorways and train tracks."


Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 03:23 PM (kQs4Y)

101 The guy's delivery is (literally!) monotonous.

If you're going to spend five minutes telling me stuff that's obvious you should at least tart it up with interesting turns of phrase, a passionate delivery, and best case a braless spokesbabe.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 03:24 PM (fuK7c)

102 Braless Spokesbabe would be a good name for a punk rock band.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 03:26 PM (gC2IV)

103 If you're going to spend five minutes telling me stuff that's obvious you should at least tart it up with interesting turns of phrase, a passionate delivery, and best case a braless spokesbabe.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 03:24 PM (fuK7c)


I would've appreciated an adorable kitten or two, while we're at it.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 03:27 PM (t+qrx)

104 At least it wasn't a Power Point presentation.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 23, 2019 03:27 PM (t0Z53)

105 The video was well done and if edited down to just the explanation of the original compromise would be an excellent teaching aid.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 03:27 PM (CFSlN)

106 Today things have changed. I doubt the Founders could've anticipated that our immigration laws would be ignored and we'd be flooded with criminal alien invaders who refused to obey our laws or assimilate.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 03:23 PM (HaL55)

If the Founder's had been hit with as much as 10% of the population being here illegally?

They would have called it an invasion, and called out the militia.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 03:27 PM (NgKpN)

107 They'd be cool with citizenship and voting. They win either way.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 03:28 PM (U7k5w)

108 I knew Prager U. had to have a video on the 3/5 Compromise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giBRnKRWR6M

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 03:29 PM (kQs4Y)

109 ... tom servo knows from whence he speaks from.

well done.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:29 PM (Pg+x7)

110 What was that project management software that had the impressive spokeswoman? She could read about the three fifths compromise, I'm sure.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2019 03:32 PM (ZfRYq)

111 This is exactly why they want to eliminate the electoral college.
Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 03:10 PM (xzK3J)

Hmmm, actually, that could be an avenue for attack.

The Electoral College gets its number of votes by how many Senators and Representatives each State has.

If say, California has a few million illegals, which are then counted to give the amount of Representatives, then VOTERS in California proportionally have MORE power then Voters in States with LESS illegal immigrants.

The electoral college votes then give more power if you have more illegals.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 03:32 PM (NgKpN)

112 Why aren't the Mesoamericans considered to be "Indians not taxed"?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 03:32 PM (yQpMk)

113 so the consensus here is that the court will hold that in this case the letter, and not the clear intent and logic and common sense, of the constitution will be adhered to, such that states defying federal law and subverting the federal authority to enforce borders/entry will be rewarded with more power at the federal level? Thus, it appears, the constitution is very much a suicide pact.


Meanwhile, the "speed bump, not change of direction" side picks up big mo with the actual execution of policy to restore rule of law on borders and sovereignty. Dan Horowitz sums up a lot of the latest situation nicely:


"in this administration is a bunch of people who [say that] lawless regulations from previous admins that go against statute are somehow the law and that we need a new law to follow the law"



Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 03:33 PM (QDnY+)

114 108 I knew Prager U. had to have a video on the 3/5 Compromise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giBRnKRWR6M

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 03:29 PM (kQs4Y)
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Note that it uses the term "free whites" for both slave states and free states.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 03:35 PM (CFSlN)

115 Day Three of a modified fast. My calorie intake for the day consists of a tea in the morning, fortified with 1.5 tsp of kerrygold butter, 1.5 tsp of organic unrefined coconut oil, and 1/3 cup of heavy cream - total of about 500-calories. Lots of liquids consisting of unsweetened iced tea and green tea and 1-2 coke zeros. Big, complete multivitamin with the tea.

Total for the day therefore should be around 500-cal, with almost all of it save 2-3 g of carbs and 3-4 g of protein being fat.

Went hiking with the family yesterday and again for a short one this morning. Otherwise only modestly active.

Overall, the experience is positive so far. Hoping to keep it up through my physical Wednesday morning.

Posted by: DocJ at June 23, 2019 03:35 PM (fF3XF)

116 ... but it raises an interesting paradox: if 20 million illegals lived in one wyoming district with only one citizen it would be apportioned more reps than there are voting citizens.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:36 PM (Pg+x7)

117 START with the DACA List.

Deport any/all DACA and DACA Family Illegals.

Just to remind the rest of the country why Governmental Lists / Registries are a BAD idea.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2019 03:36 PM (M1n0C)

118 I must have learned about the 3/5 when I was in high school. U.S History? Civics? One of those.
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No such thing any more. Social Studies is the proper term for indoctrination.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 23, 2019 03:03 PM (MIKMs)



At almost 29, I am aold enough to have had to take a mandated course in High School called "Americanism vs Communism".

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 03:37 PM (yQpMk)

119 I knew Prager U. had to have a video on the 3/5 Compromise:


I like that one.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 03:38 PM (fuK7c)

120 116 ... but it raises an interesting paradox: if 20 million illegals lived in one wyoming district with only one citizen it would be apportioned more reps than there are voting citizens.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 23, 2019 03:36 PM (Pg+x7)

In British history, it's the same issue that they had to face with the so-called "Rotten Boroughs". By the early 19th century, there were Parliamentary districts established by tradition and ancient law that had as few as 6 voters, total. It became quite easy for wealthy men to buy themselves seats in Parliament; some were known to have bought several, and they placed their loyal disciplines in the seats they owned.

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:39 PM (V2Yro)

121 Why aren't the Mesoamericans considered to be "Indians not taxed"?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 03:32 PM (yQpMk)


An excellent point, since "Indians not taxed" referred to citizens of actual sovereign nations that were distinct from the United States. But you'd have to change "Indians" to "aliens" anyway, so it's more logical to alter "persons" to "citizens" and it resolves any ambiguity.

I am aware that "resolving ambiguity" is not the goal of the enemy and is contrary to their intentions.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 03:39 PM (t+qrx)

122
If say, California has a few million illegals, which are then counted to give the amount of Representatives, then VOTERS in California proportionally have MORE power then Voters in States with LESS illegal immigrants.

The electoral college votes then give more power if you have more illegals.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 03:32 PM (NgKpN)


I hadn't thought of that angle. I was more alluding to the popular vote. Interesting.

either way, deport, deport, deport.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 03:40 PM (xzK3J)

123 "Thus, it appears, the constitution is very much a suicide pact."

In defense of the Constitution and those who wrote it, I must say that they never imagined a situation where we would just allow several million illegal aliens to live here and not do anything at all about it.

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:41 PM (V2Yro)

124 If existing laws had been enforced there would be no constitutional crisis.

We are having a crisis because Democrats are adulterers.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 03:43 PM (CFSlN)

125 Nope, NO compromise. Get the fuck out. Period.

Posted by: deadrody at June 23, 2019 03:43 PM (o+um5)

126 I read earlier today that the rounding up of illegals was scrubbed (for now) because there was a rat fink.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 03:44 PM (I5SAg)

127 I wish I was 3/5 injun.

Posted by: Lieawatha at June 23, 2019 03:45 PM (EgshT)

128 Back from short bike ride, warm but fantastic day

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 03:46 PM (BbGew)

129 An excellent point, since "Indians not taxed" referred to citizens of actual sovereign nations that were distinct from the United States. But you'd have to change "Indians" to "aliens" anyway, so it's more logical to alter "persons" to "citizens" and it resolves any ambiguity. "

For most of the 19th Century, the US maintained the legal fiction that the Indian Reservations were "sovereign nations" inside the US, and that no one who lived on them was to be considered an actual US citizen. That system fell apart for obvious reasons. In 1920 (iirc) Congress passed a huge bill that completely rewrote and reestablished the status of American Indian descendants and those who live on Reservations.

So, all those references to Indians not counted is moot now, it's rather like the 3/5 issue, an historical curiosity.

(I would have thought that changing the Status of American Indians would have required an Amendment, but for 100 years now everyone, especially the Supreme Court, has accepted that the Congressional rewrite of everything was good enough).

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:47 PM (V2Yro)

130 "They wanted to count their slaves for the purpose of representation, but didn't want to give any representation to their slaves" is a great quote from the Prager video.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 03:49 PM (kQs4Y)

131 Gotta help B'Gal, bbl

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 03:49 PM (HaL55)

132 >>>(I would have thought that changing the Status of American Indians would have required an Amendment, but for 100 years now everyone, especially the Supreme Court, has accepted that the Congressional rewrite of everything was good enough).

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:47 PM (V2Yro)
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Back then the term *common sense* meant something?

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 03:52 PM (CFSlN)

133 "You were 3/5ths of a man for representation in The House of Representatives. You were 0% of a man in terms of being able to vote."
-Me

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 03:55 PM (I5SAg)

134 Persons means persons legally here. You would not count an occupying army as persons. It's absurd to count illegal aliens as persons for apportionment.

Posted by: Locke Common at June 23, 2019 03:55 PM (XqhGj)

135 tom servo, and Billy Cole, both absolutely correct, no argument on those points. Tom, rephrase my remark thusly: "in effect, given the ridiculous situation, it turns out the constitution can be, in fact, a suicide pact".


On scrubbed ICE round-up - there is strong but not dispositive reporting that operation was blown by current DHS acting chief. Obviously this guy cannot continue in his post if this is true - or maybe even if not proven/admitted - Trump's key migration/borders policies are already a trainwreck*, and lack of confidence in key personnel has bedeviled the admin from the outset. If this matter is not conclusively clarified, quickly, I think Trump has really entered into his first truly dangerous political terrain.


* many moving parts, but as Trump himself would insist, results are all that counts - and as of now results are horrible: massive increase in illegals, whole new pernicious mechanisms/dynamics e.g. officially facilitated mass illegal family unit entry, and galloping erosion in rule of law and executive authority thru compliance [now apparently even becoming pre-emptive surrender] with lawfare and lawless courts

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 03:55 PM (QDnY+)

136 the SCOTUS decision decided that all people (including illegals) had to be "cared for" by the state (iirc). But I don't think it has been determined that illegals should be counted at all for apportionment of representatives.


From first listen, it seems this video above says we do have to count them for apportionment (of reps) ... but we need to know how many are here illegally. But imo since they are indeed different than slaves (uninvited, unwanted, not ours, refuse to leave even when ordered by court) ... they are only a burden to states that have a lot of them ... and the burden is on the state to care for them, especially when states/cities "go to war" against the federal government on removal.


Slaves were here legally, but were productive on their own. Illegals ... are foreign nationals, send our money home, are used to take money/power from US citizens in other states/cities. They have their own government representatives ... in their home country, where they send remittances.


Count them to examine the problem, but they should not count for government apportionment of reps. They vote and are represented by Mexico (or whatever country). They are enemy armies, really.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2019 03:57 PM (Cus5s)

137 FOOD NOOD

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:01 PM (BbGew)

138 Fish again

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 04:01 PM (BbGew)

139 135, I have this niggling feeling JarVanka are behind this.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 04:02 PM (xzK3J)

140 >>>...But imo since they are indeed different than slaves (uninvited, unwanted, not ours, refuse to leave even when ordered by court) ... they are only a burden to states that have a lot of them ... and the burden is on the state to care for them, especially when states/cities "go to war" against the federal government on removal. ...

Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2019 03:57 PM (Cus5s)
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Invasion

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 04:05 PM (CFSlN)

141 And the GOP situation on the slow-motion collapse of Trump's central policy promise is getting exactly as bad as you'd expect when Trump and the voters just don't seem to care about how they behave and impose Zero costs on them.


The GOP senator from f***ing ALABAMA has overseen a disastrous emergency $$$ bill for border matters that would represent serious erosion in the situation, further energize the illegal migration magnet instead of dampening it, and has sat mute while his Dem colleagues, notwithstanding all this, still slander and lie and demonize the supposed icky GOP immigration stance.


Things are actually very bad.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 04:05 PM (QDnY+)

142 I would be impressed if a recent graduate knew what 3/5 is. Fractions be, like, hard.

Posted by: Anchovy at June 23, 2019 04:08 PM (srWwQ)

143

This week's big leak about a major Immigration and Customs Enforcement operation was orchestrated by acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan in an effort to sabotage the raids before they were scheduled to take place, according to three current and two former senior administration officials.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 04:09 PM (aKsyK)

144 Backing up the "invading armies of foreign nationals" language, the Mexican government issues pamphlets on how they are to penetrate our laws (with subterfuge) and to continue to speak Spanish and maintain their Mexican national identity, and send remittances (loot, bounty) back home (to families in Mexico).

Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2019 04:14 PM (Cus5s)

145 Leak?

Here's former ICE Tom Homan going off on sanctuary city mayors and going off on DHS (2:39), Kevin McAleenan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kltLRpXhXww

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 04:29 PM (CFSlN)

146 So, how many airbnb units in CA? Does the census taker drp off a form at each dwelling? If filled out and returned, are they counted?

How would the census bureau know if it's statistically an issue without a legal residency question?

Does tourism skew counts in places like NYC, Boston, Miami, LA?

I realize a congressional district is about 700,000 persons. Would a few hundred thousand visitors in airbnb during a census year in LA and SF give CA an extra seat ? Two?

Posted by: dbaiseb at June 23, 2019 04:41 PM (fZZk/)

147 There's a couple hundred years of court precedents that have held that a "person" for the purposes of the census is anyone who is living and breathing and physically present in this country.
Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 03:10 PM (V2Yro)


Certain details have obviously been worked out -
- they are counted wherever they happen to be when they get a census form, So, a person who normally resides in NY 9 months a years gets form while physically in NY can be counted there, and if they just happen to also get a form while snowbirding in Florida they get counted there, and finally they jet off to Hawaii and get a form in the hotel / condo they rented they get counted there too.

No discussion of legal residence, domicile or state they are a citizen of needed.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 04:45 PM (1g7ch)

148 If one shops Bezosabub for a sport jacket or a light sport jacket he is shown men's apparel.

If one shops for a full or full cut sport jacket he is shown women's apparel.

If you have a gut shop somewhere else.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 04:53 PM (CFSlN)

149 Persons means persons legally here. You would not count an occupying army as persons. It's absurd to count illegal aliens as persons for apportionment.
Posted by: Locke Common at June 23, 2019 03:55 PM (XqhGj)


Nope. Supreme Court says count all persons. Count all persons. Legal residence and/or citizenship is irrelevant.
Supreme Court is law of the land.*


*All who took the oath to uphold the Supreme Court already know that.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 04:59 PM (1g7ch)

150 As all here know, the 3/5ths clause is an anti-slavery provision. That said, today our elites view us as 3/5ths of a citizen and foreigners as whole citizens.

Jefferson liked the French, Adams liked the British and Franklin liked both, but they would all be shocked to see a government that prefers foreigners to its own citizens. For them, Open Borders are a solution, not a problem. You are their problem.

The Social Justice crowd aren't mad at Jefferson because he owned slaves. They're mad at him because he said "All men are created equal".

They do not believe you and I are their equals. They believe we are Deplorables and Irredeemables whose elections may be rigged, whose candidates may be framed and who may be ethnically-cleansed out of our own country.

That is why they support vote fraud, dissolving our borders, judicial putsches, rule by decree of the Perma-Blob and Police State Coups.

They are themselves Supremacists, just as surely as any wild-eyed mullah or toothless Klan cracker they claim to oppose; Social Justice Supremacists.

They aren't mad because Jefferson had slaves--they're mad because we refuse be their slaves.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 23, 2019 05:22 PM (Ndje9)

151 "They are themselves Supremacists, just as surely as any wild-eyed mullah
or toothless Klan cracker they claim to oppose; Social Justice
Supremacists. They aren't mad because Jefferson had slaves--they're mad because we refuse be their slaves."

why ... that's outrageous ... and true.


They are not fair or smart, they get their (fake) supremacy by declaring it loudly and repeatedly .... the hate is strong with them. And it is that hate (of the common enemy set by Narrative) that unites them, till they learn to also hate each other, e.g. trans faction on lesbian faction action.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2019 06:05 PM (Cus5s)

152 what a crock of shit.

Posted by: E. Stan Bull at June 23, 2019 07:08 PM (B+t5k)

153 Nope. Supreme Court says count all persons. Count all persons. Legal residence and/or citizenship is irrelevant.
Supreme Court is law of the land.*


So the Nazi saboteurs who landed on Long Island and in Florida during WWII should have been counted and represented?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 23, 2019 07:16 PM (NRi/V)

154 We could plan an extended visit to the U.S. every 2 or 4 years, register to vote as undocumenteds. Change for the better, komrads!

Posted by: Citizens of the World at June 23, 2019 08:42 PM (zUpMx)

Moving The Overton Window In The Other Direction: Mandating Firearms Ownership

It's a cute but ultimately dumb idea, mostly because mandating anything is anathema to a free society. The article is actually well reasoned (aside from a factual error), and while it will never happen it is worth thinking about.

Must Pack Heat: The Case for Mandating Gun Ownership

Obamacare is the perfect model for Republicans to follow to settle the gun issue once and for all. Using the same legal reasoning as the Affordable Care Act, pro-gun legislators can win this war by pushing for an individual gun ownership mandate. Such a mandate can be from the top-down, a Federal mandate. Or, like Romneycare, it can be instituted on the state level first—West Virginia, here’s looking at you. We’ve seen this happen recently with this very issue. At first, concealed carry laws were only allowed in certain states. Now, all fifty states allow for such licenses. A gun-ownership mandate could play out the same way.
See the error? Concealed carry is technically legal, but in reality impossible in New Jersey. And there are a few other states that make it extraordinarily difficult. This may seem to be a trivial quibble, but a lot of people in America live in places that have thoroughly demonized guns.

But just the conversation shifts the Overton Window just a bit, and I am all for that, especially in an era of rabid hoplophobia, and when the authoritarian Left is gleefully attacking our basic freedoms.

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM




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1 and the govt buys them For us.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:16 PM (r/xAU)

2 I would also like mine to be an pink iridescent pink.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:17 PM (r/xAU)

3 also self cleaning, and maybe I should have one to match every wardrobe choice.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)

4 fcol, do I have to hold this discussion all alone?

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)

5 A gun licensing mandate would work, with a single federal standard. Once you have the license, available in ten year increments, it may not be revoked without criminal charges against you. Real ones. Not going to jail, not losing your guns!

Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (V7fbc)

6 Darn. Willow could have posted nood and then willow'd herself...

Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:19 PM (V7fbc)

7 I enjoy the idea if not the actual fulfillment. I would love to hear the arguments against the idea. hysterical that 'for her protection' nor would' her body her choice' wouldn't be applied.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:20 PM (r/xAU)

8 "The aggressor sets the ROE"

which, in this case means mandate away, we didn't start this war.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 23, 2019 12:20 PM (ITxGy)

9 I think your ideas are good, willow, one to match outfits in particular.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 23, 2019 12:22 PM (ITxGy)

10 This....

https://tinyurl.com/y38c2ldu

Posted by: MarcusZ1967 at June 23, 2019 12:24 PM (yTkJ0)

11 I do not think this would work on a personal scale, nor would I want it to. But I do think anywhere there might be groups of children or people without protection against Russians or Methodists ; schools, concerts it would be nice to have mandated protection, 'for the children' of course.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:24 PM (r/xAU)

12 The downside, as with college, is that the price of ammo and firearms will skyrocket.

Subsidies always distort markets.

On the other hand (tm), the 'splodey heads of the Left being forced to buy a firearms may just be worth it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 12:25 PM (DrqHq)

13 and 2Big2Fail/Jail banks MUST ISSUE credit to gun makers. Non-compliance from Chase means fines and arrests ... but currently we have banks conspiring with the left to restrict financing to gun makers.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2019 12:26 PM (Cus5s)

14 sock, I know right? I really think gun metal gray doesn't really check the mark with my fuschia handbag , or shoes.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:26 PM (r/xAU)

15 also self cleaning, and maybe I should have one to match every wardrobe choice.


Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)

Or maybe you could have some sort of product that allows you to change the gun's color like how you can change watch straps. Some sort of cover that doesn't impede the gun's functionality.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 12:26 PM (ZEsGh)

16 Vendette, what a lovely idea!

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:27 PM (r/xAU)

17 Vendette, what a lovely idea!


Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:27 PM (r/xAU)

At the very least, you could change the handle color.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 12:28 PM (ZEsGh)

18 Vendette, perhaps a gun wrap like they do with taxis in some cities.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:29 PM (r/xAU)

19 Early OT but firearm related. Tragedy in New Hampshire.

Seven members and supporters of the Marine Jarheads Motorcycle Club have been killed in a horrific crash in New Hampshire involving a pickup truck. According to The New York Post, most of the victims were former Marines.

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There little information other than there were multiple head-on collisions and fires.

https://bit.ly/2N8AURl

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)

20 Vendette, perhaps a gun wrap like they do with taxis in some cities.


Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:29 PM (r/xAU)

"The home invasion was thwarted when the homeowner pointed her fuchsia-colored shotgun at the intruder..."

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 12:32 PM (ZEsGh)

21 guns are dangerous ... SO, we MUST enact gun training for kids, starting in kindergarten ... time at the range in junior high. This is a necessary step toward raising responsible adults. No more sissies that are afraid of guns ... not even the women. If they can drive a 2000 pound vehicle at 65mph with oncoming traffic within two feet ... they can learn to handle a firearm to make our neighborhoods and malls safe again.


Roy Rogers and the Rifleman gave me some gun training around grade school time, but we can improve on that.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2019 12:32 PM (Cus5s)

22 I appreciate the concept of State's rights, but if I have a legally manufactured and purchased firearm in one state, how can I become a felon by driving across state lines? The RKBA, even if it is a second rate Constitutional right, means nothing. Those of us in the northeast risk a lot taking firearms to another part of the country (FL for example). While there is US law that supposedly protects the transportation of firearms, anybody willing to test that in MA? NY? NJ?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2019 12:34 PM (D3cJf)

23 It's a tax.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 12:35 PM (1g7ch)

24 19
Early OT but firearm related. Tragedy in New Hampshire.



Seven members and supporters of the Marine Jarheads Motorcycle Club
have been killed in a horrific crash in New Hampshire involving a pickup
truck. According to The New York Post, most of the victims were former
Marines.



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There little information other than there were multiple head-on collisions and fires.



https://bit.ly/2N8AURl

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
This was about 2hrs north of Concord, NH. Prayers for those who were killed, for those injured, their families. Also keep the first responders and witnesses in your prayers - stories I'm hearing is it was a horrific scene.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2019 12:36 PM (D3cJf)

25 Any man willing to defend his country would own weapons in order to be prepared to do so. If he doesn't, then he's a free-rider, and it's not anathema to a free society to tax him to cover his share of the cost of defense.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 23, 2019 12:36 PM (SgjGX)

26 23 It's a tax.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 12:35 PM (1g7ch)

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It's a dessert topping.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 12:37 PM (gC2IV)

27 how can I become a felon by driving across state lines? The RKBA, even if it is a second rate Constitutional right, means nothing. Those of us in the northeast risk a lot taking firearms to another part of the country (FL for example). While there is US law that supposedly protects the transportation of firearms, anybody willing to test that in MA? NY? NJ?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed/I]

Hence the 'incorporation' debate.

I fall on the incorporated side. Can a state abrogate the 1st Amendment? The 3rd?

Not really, right? So I don't see how a state can molest the 2nd further than the Federal government does.

Either the BoR means something vis a vis all citizens, or it's null and void.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 12:37 PM (DrqHq)

28 I always said that the instant leftists started spouting that The 2nd amendment was a
collective right, it was the responsibility of the government to immediately supply those arms to every citizen.

Posted by: Downcast at June 23, 2019 12:38 PM (p6Q7Q)

29 Don't the Swiss mandate gun ownership, or am I misremembering something?

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at June 23, 2019 12:39 PM (xmKbk)

30 Home and the wife and I are going to order in Chinese food. I think for Jews in Nj this is also mandatory

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 12:41 PM (85Gof)

31 NJ has a 30 day waiting period for a handgun. And people who have literally been convicted of a host of crimes can not own a gun.

All conservatives should move out of NJ as soon as they are able. I had a friend at work who moved to NJ to work at a plant there. He left after a month and came back.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 12:42 PM (mpXpK)

32 Don't forget the county-level registration of qualified owners/carriers.
And of course the mandatory training sessions every month or so.
What?
You do not like the terms of the Militia Act of 1795?
Which the Founders considered perfectly Constitutional.
In a period of concern of attack. (Though of course then it was quasi-sovereign Indians and not totally foreign terrorists.)
Or is ONLY the mandatory ownership okay?
With, I guess, mandatory carry. (With exceptions for conscience "of course".)
Otherwise, got the full Militia Act, organize that unorganized militia again, and have that training and command structure going.
Of course that also means accepting the government mandating such service. And likely some corvee-style alternative for the objectors.
But as a bonus, going by said Militia Act of 1795, we also get constitutional carry of blades.
Oh, AND your arms are immune from all lawsuits and taxes and such for debt. Which is totally cool too.

Posted by: Sam at June 23, 2019 12:42 PM (YScgw)

33 I thought Kennesaw Georgia mandated gun ownership? This was over thirty years ago, how did that work out for them?

Posted by: Nancy at 7000 ft at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (0tmoY)

34 Didn't some city in the South mandate firearms ownership a few years back?

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (1L9V9)

35 I kinda thought that we already have a mandate in the 2nd Amendment.
Silly me.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (axyOa)

36 You bitter clingers are so uptight about guns. We're just taking them for your own good. Then the only people with guns will be selfless, morally superior public servants that will then shoot you if you're on the wrong side of history.--Spokesxir for the Demonicrat Party and the Principled Conservatives.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (m79Dg)

37 Jesus Marino RIVERA could still pitch. Lol

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (85Gof)

38 I don't think gun ownership should be mandatory, but I definitely think rights should be taken AWAY once you commit a crime vs our current system of having to beg our betters in government to practice a right clearly spelled out in the Constitution.

That ship has sailed, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 12:44 PM (SYNdr)

39
Maybe we could establish a tax-funded charity. Maybe name it Planned Firearms.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 12:45 PM (Wx/+I)

40 Tell people it's how they do it in Sweden. The Leftists will have to sign on.

Yeah, I know it's Switzerland but they don't.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2019 12:47 PM (ZfRYq)

41 26 23 It's a tax.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 12:35 PM (1g7ch)

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It's a dessert topping.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 12:37 PM (gC2IV)
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It's a tax and a dessert topping!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 12:47 PM (MVjcR)

42 Posted by: Nancy at 7000 ft at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (0tmoY)
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Without looking it up I think it went good. They never enforced a penalty if you did not own one, I believe. I recall Ted Nugent talking about this not so long ago.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:47 PM (DB16e)

43 It is old timers day at Yankee Stadium

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 12:48 PM (85Gof)

44 If we're going to go by the Terms of the militia act, then no more restrictions on full-autos.

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at June 23, 2019 12:48 PM (xmKbk)

45
Tax-free dessert toppings. Hell, tax-subsidized desert toppings!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 12:48 PM (Wx/+I)

46 Kennesaw Ga.

Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at June 23, 2019 12:49 PM (CT1Wk)

47 Didn't some city in the South mandate firearms ownership a few years back?
Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (1L9V9)

Kennesaw, Georgia didn't exactly mandate gun ownership. There were a lot of exemptions, even one for people that were conscientious objectors to owning guns.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 12:49 PM (m79Dg)

48 CCW is still bad law ..at least in California because they restrict the weapon you choose to carry to the one you qualified with.

See it's still about the gun...not your rights as a free citizen.

Equivalent of a driver's license for a Chevy or Ford. But I can see a reason to license Prius drivers special.

Posted by: torabora at June 23, 2019 12:49 PM (tV94Q)

49 Weapons are mandatory at WeaselAcres.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 12:50 PM (MVjcR)

50 Repeal the NFA and have the CMP open a public rifle/pistol range in every county in the nation.

Put our tax dollars to good use for a change.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 12:50 PM (Z+IKu)

51 It's a tax.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 12:35 PM (1g7ch)

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It's a dessert topping.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 12:37 PM (gC2IV)
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It's a tax and a dessert topping!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 12:47 PM (MVjcR)

We've replaced the 2nd Amendment with laws that forbid people from owning guns. Let's see if they can tell the difference. We have hidden cameras recording their reactions.--Taster's Choice.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 12:51 PM (m79Dg)

52 35
I kinda thought that we already have a mandate in the 2nd Amendment.

Silly me.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 12:43 PM (axyOa)

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As others have noted, the Constitution clearly contemplates this, and the statutory history is clear that this would be legal.

In terms of execution and compliance, it would be difficult, though. I guess you could tie it to voter registration or driver license renewal.

Back before Switzerland gave women the vote, the smaller cantons would hold their direct democracy events in the local stadium and for ID, the men would bring their gov't issued bayonet.

The debates were always very civil.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (cfSRQ)

53 I don't believe Hawaii has ever issued a CC to anyone.

Posted by: pat at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (5zZ1Q)

54 Instead of mandate maybe use radio ads suggesting every American should own a firearm and become proficient with it. Like the "Feed the Pig" and numerous other stupid, stupid, stupid gubmint funded awareness radio ads

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (DB16e)

55 49
Weapons are mandatory at WeaselAcres.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 12:50 PM (MVjcR)

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Hey, I sent you the article I talked about yesterday. Check the gmail account, particularly the spam folder.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 12:53 PM (cfSRQ)

56
"Feed the Pig"

Discover the forest

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 12:54 PM (aKsyK)

57 may carry --> shall carry

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 23, 2019 12:54 PM (AURKQ)

58
If we're going to have a PSA, how about: "The police have no duty to come to your rescue. What are you going to do to protect your home and family?"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 23, 2019 12:54 PM (Wx/+I)

59 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 12:54 PM (aKsyK)
__________________________

"I'm a banana slug, Steven. It took me a long time to get here."

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:54 PM (DB16e)

60 So who would be our Nancy Pelosi, walking up the capital steps with a gun and gavel?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 12:55 PM (kQs4Y)

61 tie voting to gun proficiency:

use punch-card ballots, but you have to hit your chosen marks from thirty yards.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 23, 2019 12:56 PM (AURKQ)

62 I thought Kennesaw Georgia mandated gun ownership? This was over thirty years ago, how did that work out for them?

Yes, and a few other places too I think. But it was only meant to express disagreement with the antis. IIRC, it had a broad "conscience" opt out and I'm pretty sure no one has ever been prosecuted for noncompliance.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 12:57 PM (qc+VF)

63 "When seconds count *door breaking open in the background* the police are minutes away. You are the front line when it comes to home and property security. "

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:58 PM (DB16e)

64 Kennesaw Ga.
Posted by: navybrat swimming upstream at June 23, 2019 12:49 PM (CT1Wk)

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I wrote a lengthy paper in college using Kennesaw and a few of other examples from the US.

I plainly stated in the thesis statement that mandatory gun ownership was unconstitutional and should not be supported.

But I used these places as control groups to illustrate violent crime rates in well-known, heavily armed areas as compared to the national average, and contrasting that against areas with strict gun control.

Kennesaw was particularly useful, as it has proximity to a relatively violent city (Atlanta).

I made the case to drastically loosen firearm restrictions, and to make firearms training part of education from 6th - 8th grades.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 12:58 PM (5aX2M)

65 With, I guess, mandatory carry. (With exceptions for conscience "of course".)
too.
Posted by: Sam


There's never been any proposal for mandatory carry. By anyone. Anywhere. At any time.

Otherwise, got the full Militia Act, organize that unorganized militia again, and have that training and command structure going.
Hanh?

Of course that also means accepting the government mandating such service.

Wrong again.

And likely some corvee-style alternative for the objectors.

Name one person forced to serve in the CA.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 12:59 PM (DrqHq)

66 I plainly stated in the thesis statement that mandatory gun ownership was unconstitutional and should not be supported.


Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 12:58 PM (5aX2M)

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How so? Cannot Congress direct the militia (that is the whole of the people) to obtain arms in defense of the nation?


Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (cfSRQ)

67 I don't believe Hawaii has ever issued a CC to anyone.
Posted by: pat at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (5zZ1Q)

Hawaiian Judge was issued one because you paranoid gun owners might shoot him for voting his conscience. That way, he can return fire if necessary.--Personal Gofer for Hawaiian Judge.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (m79Dg)

68 Free college?....pffft!....Free ammo!

Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (ykq7q)

69 And can someone explain to me again why my gay marriage license is valid in Maryland but my concealed carry permit isn't?

Thanks again for those tax cuts that will expire, (R)s.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (Lwfjs)

70 How so? Cannot Congress direct the militia (that is the whole of the people) to obtain arms in defense of the nation?

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (cfSRQ)

Not the whole of the people. The whole of the citizenry. If you don't think the country is worth fighting for, you don't get to vote and you live here at the pleasure of those that do.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 01:03 PM (m79Dg)

71 It's a tax bitches!!!!

Posted by: Juan Robertos at June 23, 2019 01:03 PM (FiUMj)

72 Name one person forced to serve in the CA.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 12:59 PM (DrqHq)

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If you mean the Continental Army, it's a moot point - the Constitution wasn't adopted until after the war was over.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:04 PM (cfSRQ)

73 tie voting to gun proficiency:

use punch-card ballots, but you have to hit your chosen marks from thirty yards.


This is awesome. Can I give Weasel my proxy?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 01:04 PM (qc+VF)

74 And can someone explain to me again why my gay marriage license is valid in Maryland but my concealed carry permit isn't?

Reciprocity: How does it work?

Apparently, no one in Maryland knows.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 23, 2019 01:05 PM (HaL55)

75 How so? Cannot Congress direct the militia (that is the whole of the people) to obtain arms in defense of the nation?

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:01 PM (cfSRQ)

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Same reason as Obamacare's individual mandate. That's not a tax, whatever John Roberts says.

Now, I suppose you could make the argument for pairing it with a budget neutral entitlement program, but that would be nearly as bad.

I'd just eliminate 95% of gun restrictions and let nature take its course.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:06 PM (5aX2M)

76 If you mean the Continental Army, it's a moot point - the Constitution wasn't adopted until after the war was over.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd -


So yer sayin' it'd be pretty stupid to suggest that the Founders had forced service in mind, right?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:08 PM (DrqHq)

77 Instead of mandate maybe use radio ads suggesting every American should own a firearm and become proficient with it. Like the "Feed the Pig" and numerous other stupid, stupid, stupid gubmint funded awareness radio ads
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (DB16e)

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I wonder if any radio station would carry it?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 01:09 PM (axyOa)

78 Instead of mandate maybe use radio ads suggesting
every American should own a firearm and become proficient with it. Like
the "Feed the Pig" and numerous other stupid, stupid, stupid gubmint
funded awareness radio ads

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (DB16e)



*****



I wonder if any radio station would carry it?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 01:09 PM (axyOa)


The Salem-owned stations would.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:10 PM (ZEsGh)

79 So yer sayin' it'd be pretty stupid to suggest that the Founders had forced service in mind, right?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:08 PM (DrqHq)

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No, merely that the example you asked for was besides the point.

The Founders very much had forced service in mind. Slavery was legal, after all.

The Militia Act of 1795 was pretty sweeping in its scope. The Founders distrusted standing military forces (particularly under the central government) to their solution was a massive force of militia.

That's why no amendments were needed for national conscription. It's part of Congress' power to regulate the militia, which consists of the whole body of the citizenry.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:11 PM (cfSRQ)

80 d forces service all the way up to until 1973. It was called the draft.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 01:12 PM (mpXpK)

81 We had.....

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 01:12 PM (mpXpK)

82
See the error? Concealed carry is technically legal, but in reality impossible in New Jersey.







Untrue. NJ and all the other CCW-unfriendly states WILL issue licenses. As long as you make large political contributions to the right people, usually the County Sheriff's re-election fund. Or if you're clearly of the right sort of rich, non-minority person who can afford to get a pilot's license and join the County Sheriff's Air Auxiliary, as is common in several of the most left-wing counties in CA.

This has been the main result of CCW laws, massive corruption.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:13 PM (WJy0R)

83 Same reason as Obamacare's individual mandate. That's not a tax, whatever John Roberts says.



Now, I suppose you could make the argument for pairing it with a
budget neutral entitlement program, but that would be nearly as bad.



I'd just eliminate 95% of gun restrictions and let nature take its course.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:06 PM (5aX2M)

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No, not at all.

Congress has explicit authority over the militia. It is well within historical tradition and legal precedent to mandate that all adult citizens capable of bearing arms have them.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:14 PM (cfSRQ)

84 Where can I get me one of them mandated guns?

Posted by: John Kerry in Ohio at June 23, 2019 01:15 PM (FiUMj)

85 The Founders very much had forced service in mind. Slavery was legal, after all.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd


Yes, invoking slavery is a great strategy for forced carry.

The Militia Act of 1795 was pretty sweeping in its scope. The Founders distrusted standing military forces (particularly under the central government) to their solution was a massive force of militia.

ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 13 called and asked if you had time for a swabbing.

That's why no amendments were needed for national conscription. It's part of Congress' power to regulate the militia, which consists of the whole body of the citizenry.


'Regulate the militia'

Jesus. Do we have to do this again?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:16 PM (DrqHq)

86 Joisey don't even trust you to pump yer own gas.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 01:17 PM (oVJmc)

87 Every gun comes with a smart chip.
Embedded in your carotid artery.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (SqopC)

88 The Salem-owned stations would.
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:10 PM (ZEsGh)


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Mt heys be fun to do. Better than Geico add.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (axyOa)

89 Kennesaw, GA made a law that all residents must own a firearm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

Posted by: Ironwood at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (n5L++)

90 It used to be that under 10USC311 et seq. that covered the militia that, as members of the unorganized militia, we were required to "own and be proficient" with a military-grade firearm. I remember reading that back in the early 90s but it seems to have been legislated off the books at some point between then and now.

Posted by: Mattski at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FLyxJ)

91 Regulate in the 1700s didn't mean what it means today, ie control and set rules for. It meant more like administer. Hence, well regulated = well administered or well run.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FiUMj)

92 The Salem-owned stations would.

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What if they helped Trump, though?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (SYNdr)

93 Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 12:53 PM (cfSRQ)
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Got it. Thanks. Haven't had a chance to read it yet.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (MVjcR)

94 The Salem-owned stations would.
Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:10 PM (ZEsGh)

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I'd venture to guess more than half of their listeners own one or more guns, and the rest already approve of it and are restricted by law from doing it.

The trick would be to get stations that moderate LIVs listen to, and I bet it would be VERY expensive to get Clear Channel to air any controversial rightwing ad.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (5aX2M)

95 86 Joisey don't even trust you to pump yer own gas.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 01:17 PM (oVJmc)

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Smart people in New Jersey!!

Posted by: Oregon at June 23, 2019 01:19 PM (FiUMj)

96
Instead of mandate maybe use radio ads suggesting every American should own a firearm and become proficient with it. Like the "Feed the Pig" and numerous other stupid, stupid, stupid gubmint funded awareness radio ads
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 12:52 PM (DB16e)






Meh. I'm not a big fan of the M60. Yeah it's belt-fed, but it's not particularly reliable, the barrel design is stupid (asbestos glove? really?), prone to overheating, barrel droop and exploding in the gunner's face.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:19 PM (WJy0R)

97 "regulate the militia"

I don't have enough hands to adequately face-palm this.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:21 PM (DrqHq)

98 Joisey don't even trust you to pump yer own gas.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 01:17 PM (oVJmc)
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Probably a good idea. Have you ever met anyone who lives in New Jersey?

Posted by: bluebell at June 23, 2019 01:21 PM (aXucN)

99 Since its chance of passing is about null why not try it and wake up a few people.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 01:21 PM (BbGew)

100 Regulate in the 1700s didn't mean what it means today, ie control and set rules for. It meant more like administer. Hence, well regulated = well administered or well run.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FiUMj)

How are those different? I thought "regulated" meant trained/profecient?

Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 01:22 PM (ykq7q)

101 This has been the main result of CCW laws, massive corruption.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:13 PM (WJy0R)

Big differences between "May" issue and "Shall" issue jurisdictions. There are about 41 shall-issue states.

Posted by: ccw shall be issued at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (K1IUD)

102 Probably a good idea. Have you ever met anyone who lives in New Jersey?
Posted by: bluebell at June 23, 2019 01:21 PM (aXucN)

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Hello?

Posted by: Sen Cory (D-NJ) at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (FiUMj)

103 'Regulate the militia'



Jesus. Do we have to do this again?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:16 PM (DrqHq)

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Do what again?

The same Constitutional power that can conscript you and send you to fight in the South Pacific or Vietnam can be used to require you to have a firearm for the defense of the state.

Also, drop the arrogance. We're all friends here.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (cfSRQ)

104 I think we get the Census ruling tomorrow.


Roberts to betray?

Posted by: Ha at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (MAstk)

105 100 Regulate in the 1700s didn't mean what it means today, ie control and set rules for. It meant more like administer. Hence, well regulated = well administered or well run.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FiUMj)

How are those different? I thought "regulated" meant trained/profecient?
Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 01:22 PM (ykq7q)

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The left reads the term regulate as in put up restrictions. Regulate what gun you can own, how many, who can own, etc, vs regulate, as in the govt just needs to make sure the militia is proficient/ready for action if needed.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:24 PM (FiUMj)

106 (looks around NC, SC, Georgia, and Florida)

Wait, do people still live in New Jersey?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:25 PM (SYNdr)

107 A gun licensing mandate would work, with a single federal standard.
Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (V7fbc)
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NOPE.

i do NOT need a license to exercise a right.

that's why you have to get a driver's license, but not a speech one.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (tKIE9)

108 104 I think we get the Census ruling tomorrow.


Roberts to betray?
Posted by: Ha at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (MAstk)

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Yep. They always leave the "fuck you conservatives" rulings until the end. Obamacare, SSM as but a few examples.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (FiUMj)

109 Regulate in the 1700s didn't mean what it means today, ie control and set rules for. It meant more like administer. Hence, well regulated = well administered or well run.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 01:18 PM (FiUMj)


Or meeting the highest standard.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (1g7ch)

110 that's why you have to get a driver's license, but not a speech one.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (tKIE9)

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We're working on that, give us a few years.

Posted by: Google, Facebook at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (FiUMj)

111 Can't do any harm, but not sure any windows will be moved.


And a sideshow to the real question of whether rule of law will be restored in general, which would clearly include things like incorporation of the 2A against the states, and even the putative judicial "system" will follow its own rules - such that the inferior courts can no longer simply defy SCOTUS on Heller and MacDonald.


It is beginning to seem that Roberts is even worse than he seemed, in that he has shown zero interest in this unprecedented unraveling of his very own authority and that of his institution [which he is always portrayed as carefully protecting, by some calculation - even though that in itself is not his job or sworn duty].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 01:27 PM (QDnY+)

112 The actual text:
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and
for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of
the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment
of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to
the discipline prescribed by Congress;
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That's pretty sweeping authority.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:27 PM (cfSRQ)

113 Simpler, just bring back the Militia Acts.

You know, the ones that said every able bodied Man between certain ages were in the Militia, AND, that they were to supply their own arms and ammo? Of what were then, the primary MILITARY small arm of the day?

How can anyone say that is not Constitutional when the FOUNDERS were the ones who wrote those laws?

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)

114
A gun licensing mandate would work, with a single federal standard.
Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (V7fbc)
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NOPE.

i do NOT need a license to exercise a right.

that's why you have to get a driver's license, but not a speech one.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (tKIE9)






Yup, absolutely.

Also, keep in mind that a driver's license is not a license to drive. It's a license to use public roads. You can drive all you want on private roads or your own property and the gov't can't say boo about it. Just don't leave that private property for one moment.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (WJy0R)

115 As a bonus, it would cause a rapid improvement in the gene pool.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (LMcFk)

116
How can anyone say that is not Constitutional when the FOUNDERS were the ones who wrote those laws?

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)

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Those old white guys owned slaves. Duh.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (SYNdr)

117 How can anyone say that is not Constitutional when the FOUNDERS were the ones who wrote those laws?
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)

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Uhm the founders were racist and so everything they wrote is unconstitutional.

Posted by: AOC at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (FiUMj)

118 107 A gun licensing mandate would work, with a single federal standard.
Posted by: trev006 at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (V7fbc)
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NOPE.

i do NOT need a license to exercise a right.

that's why you have to get a driver's license, but not a speech one.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 01:26 PM (tKIE9)

Yup, how can it be a RIGHT, if you need prior GOVERNMENT permission to perform it?

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:30 PM (NgKpN)

119 It's a license to use public roads.

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Hold our $17 water bottles.

- 15 bicyclists who believe their group is a single vehicle and who can't use any other roads but the busiest ones

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:31 PM (SYNdr)

120 Didn't the screwy Miller ruling, however one sided, find that the 2nd only protected arms with a military application?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (1g7ch)

121 Mexican National Guard stopping border jumpers from entering U.S.A.?

Is Trump winning again?

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (DB16e)

122 How can anyone say that is not Constitutional when the FOUNDERS were the ones who wrote those laws?

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)

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Yes. The government could also specify particular models and calibers on the basis of needing standardized ammo supply.

So it would be perfectly Constitutional to require every adult to possess a 9mm handgun and for them to present such weapon for inspection or face the same penalties as people refusing the draft.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (cfSRQ)

123 Mexican National Guard stopping border jumpers from entering U.S.A.?

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F*cking racists.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (SYNdr)

124 When minors are suspected of being physically or sexually assaulted, in most areas there is what is called a Children's Advocacy Center that does the exam and interview for reporting to law enforcement. It is considered a way of getting the physical exam, psych exam and LE interview done in one shot so the kid isn't shunted around to various interviews.

A majority of them in Oregon do a household review and tend to leave notes on the recommendations that "houses with firearms should have the firearms secured for safety"

I always thought the recommendation should be "houses with firearms should have firearms training for minors by an accredited safety training group like (name the local one) as well as making sure firearms secured safely"

That would be a great move forward.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 01:33 PM (hSQmw)

125 Roberts to betray?
Posted by: Ha at June 23, 2019 01:23 PM (MAstk)

I say Yup. He is a douche bag.

A douche bag never changes it's spots.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 01:34 PM (Z+IKu)

126 How can anyone say that is not Constitutional when the FOUNDERS were the ones who wrote those laws?
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:28 PM (NgKpN)

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Uhm the founders were racist and so everything they wrote is unconstitutional.
Posted by: AOC at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (FiUMj)


P.S.
Especially that Bill of Attainder thing.

- AOC


Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:34 PM (1g7ch)

127 *skims thread*
*scratches head*

Why can't people in New Jersey pump their own shotguns?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:36 PM (t+qrx)

128 Everyone carries. Mutual Assured Destruction prevention theory.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 01:36 PM (2DOZq)

129 What always gets me is the federal government can't take away your rights but the state government can.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 01:36 PM (BbGew)

130 Why can't people in New Jersey pump their own shotguns?

All the bling gets in the way...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 01:38 PM (7s3Gx)

131 "Horus Hearsay" - unlikely. Or only in a few locations. Have any specific data?


But since you raised the OT .... There's no "winning" in the ICE stand-down debacle. Whether it was wholly or partly a result of what seems like an audacious bit of insubordination by MacAleenan [too many confirmations of his perfidy for silence, he has to specifically refute, with Trump's backing, to retain credibility] - or if it is as claimed, a very poorly considered "trade" of one of the first, long-overdue and long promised resumptions of normal internal enforcement for the holy grail of asylum reform.


Context. In the applicable one, with the history and dynamics it has, this looks like a yuuuuge blunder.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 01:39 PM (QDnY+)

132 I am enjoying this new trend of mini-gun thread before the main Gub Thread.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:39 PM (yQpMk)

133 Yes. The government could also specify particular models and calibers on the basis of needing standardized ammo supply.

So it would be perfectly Constitutional to require every adult to possess a 9mm handgun and for them to present such weapon for inspection or face the same penalties as people refusing the draft.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:32 PM (cfSRQ)

The Primary Military small arm for the World today, it the Semi Auto 'Assault' Rifle.

The closest civilian equivalent is the AR-15.

That would be the standard required Arm if we follow the model of the Militia Acts.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (NgKpN)

134 I say Yup. He is a douche bag.



A douche bag never changes it's spots.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 01:34 PM (Z+IKu)

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I'm not so sure.

This seems like a slam dunk. Citizenship was on the census before and it seems very odd to argue that the government can't know how many actual citizens it has.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (cfSRQ)

135 and the govt buys them For us.


#1 wins the thread. A right that you can't afford is a right denied. We need our own federal funded Planned Pew-Pew

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:41 PM (yQpMk)

136 The Primary Military small arm for the World today, it the Semi Auto 'Assault' Rifle.

The closest civilian equivalent is the AR-15.

That would be the standard required Arm if we follow the model of the Militia Acts.



Each state could specify their own model, but they must have magazine compatibility.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:43 PM (yQpMk)

137 I am enjoying this new trend of mini-gun thread before the main Gub Thread.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:39 PM (yQpMk)


I didn't know there were enough Morons with miniguns to warrant a whole thread.

Clearly, I need to attend the TXMoMe.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:43 PM (t+qrx)

138 or if it is as claimed, a very poorly considered "trade" of one of the first, long-overdue and long promised resumptions of normal internal enforcement for the holy grail of asylum reform.


This. These are people that the courts have ordered deported. It seems like the lowest of low fruit and the kind of thing that should be happening routinely and daily.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:45 PM (yQpMk)

139
The closest civilian equivalent is the AR-15.



That would be the standard required Arm if we follow the model of the Militia Acts.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (NgKpN)

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Not necessarily. Mandating a pistol would be appropriate if Congress determines it to be preferable. Remember, purpose of the militia is to "execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions."

So requiring adults to have a 9mm for personal defense would fall under executing the laws.


Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:45 PM (cfSRQ)

140 Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 01:39 PM (QDnY+)
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It's a piece over at Breitbart. It sounds like more help than we've received from Mexico in the past.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 01:45 PM (DB16e)

141
Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations

Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (CFSlN)

142 It's a neat topic for discussion, but as a practical matter I think we're past the point where moving the overton window around is going to make much difference prior to the balloon going up - at which point I would prefer my opponents have as few arms as possible.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (67XdO)

143 I'm not so sure.

This seems like a slam dunk. Citizenship was on the census before and it seems very odd to argue that the government can't know how many actual citizens it has.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (cfSRQ)


Didn't the recent cross ruling state something to effect that it is ludicrous for what was once acceptable and unremarkable to suddenly be unconstitutional?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (1g7ch)

144
Clearly, I need to attend the TXMoMe.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:43 PM (t+qrx)
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Yes, yes you do. Have you applied for your MoMe license yet?

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (Vd1BJ)

145 I'm not so sure.
This seems like a slam dunk. Citizenship was on the census before and it seems very odd to argue that the government can't know how many actual citizens it has.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:40 PM (cfSRQ)

Good point, but it is Chief ClownCuck Roberts....not only will he deny the citizenship question, but he will mandate that all the illegal invaders have to buy Mugabe Care.

Honk. honk.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (Z+IKu)

146 Two official gun threads in one day?
Died and gone to heaven.
Well, no. Just got back from the range giving Mrs. Garand's boy's invention a workout.
There's no mistaking a .30 caliber hole in paper or ringing a gong.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 01:47 PM (R+3Am)

147 Apropos of nothing, do any of you Morons happen to have a Browning Hi-Power you want to part with? Particularly an Israeli marked Hi-Power. Or best of all, if only for the irony, a Waffen Marked Israeli overstamped Browning Hi-Power? The more worn the better too. I'm not looking for pristine.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:47 PM (yQpMk)

148 "See the error?"

The left doesn't care if their changes are Constitutional errors, logical errors, common sense errors, 57 gender type errors, etc. If we are going to make the left follow their own rules, we need to start acting as retarded as they do. That way, the schism will be unbridgeable, California will leave the Union, dogs and cats will live together, the whole 9 yards.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 23, 2019 01:47 PM (m79Dg)

149 Oh, that attack in Ethopia yesterday?

@ArminRosen

The chief of staff of the Ethiopian army and the governor of the region that's historically been the country's seat of political power were both assassinated yesterday, icymi

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:48 PM (DrqHq)

150 The Militia Acts were, essentially, a draft. They were to be invoked in case of insurrection or invasion by the President, should Congress be in recess. It also provides for young white men to purchase guns and ammo within 6 months of being called, with the executive order ending after two years.

It recognized that many people in the 18-45 age range didn't and weren't required to have guns, and it was a temporary emergency measure.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:49 PM (5aX2M)

151 114 You can drive all you want on private roads or your
own property and the gov't can't say boo about it. Just don't leave that
private property for one moment.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2019 01:29 PM (WJy0R)

Thanks to the pressure from doctors in SC cops can come on private property to arrest underage drivers AND parents.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 01:49 PM (mpXpK)

152 Welp, this tidbit isn't directly related to the topic at hand, but since it deals with statist behavior, I figured I'd link to it. Instapundit and others have noted that Gamergate figure Anita Sarkeesian's "Feminist Frequency" non-profit got woke and broke. An Instapundit reader's response to that unfortunate state of affairs was the following graphic:

https://tinyurl.com/y2hto9nh

Enjoy and use as needed.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 23, 2019 01:50 PM (7s3Gx)

153 Justice Scalia said *bear arms* meant exactly that,
if you can carry it you can have it. ie You cannot bear a tank therefore you cannot possess a tank.

A shoulder fired missile is OK. If you can bear it.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:50 PM (CFSlN)

154
Anyone check out that yt channel I recommended with the very likable kraut?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:50 PM (JAi0L)

155 146 Two official gun threads in one day?
Died and gone to heaven.
Well, no. Just got back from the range giving Mrs. Garand's boy's invention a workout.
There's no mistaking a .30 caliber hole in paper or ringing a gong.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 01:47 PM (R+3Am)
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Sound of freedom!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (MVjcR)

156 Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:47 PM (yQpMk)


I'll trade one for a case of gun show loopholes.

Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (ykq7q)

157 Justice Scalia said *bear arms* meant exactly that,
if you can carry it you can have it. ie You cannot bear a tank therefore you cannot possess a tank.

A shoulder fired missile is OK. If you can bear it.




Cannon were routinely privately owned in the founder's time. How does that square?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (yQpMk)

158 All UR hobbies R Rs:

@ravelry

We are banning support of Donald Trump and his administration on Ravelry. We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:52 PM (DrqHq)

159 "It's part of congress' power to regulate the militia,"

If you're speaking about the "A well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment then I have to respectfully but strongly disagree.

Consider the language of the day.
Perhaps a statement like 'That's a well regulated young man.'

He's nothing to do with congress. Just that he's 'got it together.'

A well regulated militia is well equiped and well trained.
Part of the chains upon congress.
Not told to do by congress.

Posted by: now, name me an ex post facto gun law at June 23, 2019 01:52 PM (ubFZv)

160

What's ravelry?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (JAi0L)

161 >>>Thanks to the pressure from doctors in SC cops can come on private property to arrest underage drivers AND parents.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 01:49 PM (mpXpK)
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They never stop.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (CFSlN)

162 Yes, yes you do. Have you applied for your MoMe license yet?
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (Vd1BJ)


The way this thread is headed, I'm considering putting the application fee towards a Letter of Marque instead.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (t+qrx)

163 158: And of course, little Casey plagiarized the guidelines from RPG.net

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (U7k5w)

164
Wait, what?

They are banning support??

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (JAi0L)

165 What's up in Ethiopia? Is it religious, ethnic or just old fashioned power grab?

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (CFSlN)

166 What's ravelry?
Posted by: Soothsayer


Knitting hobby and commerce site.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:55 PM (DrqHq)

167 14 sock, I know right? I really think gun metal gray doesn't really check the mark with my fuschia handbag , or shoes.
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:26 PM (r/xAU)
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Yeah, but are you accessorizing for the gals or for the guys?

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 01:55 PM (WEBkv)

168 160 A knitting a crochet site where you can support leftists as loudly as you like, no holds barred

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 01:55 PM (U7k5w)

169
So they are "banning" anyone who supports President Trump?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:56 PM (JAi0L)

170 162 Yes, yes you do. Have you applied for your MoMe license yet?
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (Vd1BJ)

The way this thread is headed, I'm considering putting the application fee towards a Letter of Marque instead.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (t+qrx)
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Aye!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:56 PM (MVjcR)

171 We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy.

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Doesn't "include if of all include... " everything?" I'd think that would include white supremacists too.

And maybe even Trump voters.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:57 PM (5aX2M)

172 169: If you support him on the site, white supremacist, you know. So fucking unsafe. Some of the stupid women said they cried with joy about the announcement. Ignorant whores.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 01:57 PM (U7k5w)

173 Inclusive of all... stupid autocucumber

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:58 PM (5aX2M)

174
Wait, do people still live in New Jersey?
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Yes. Those who are trying to save up the money to pay the exit tax.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 01:58 PM (w54mS)

175 Didn't the recent cross ruling state something to
effect that it is ludicrous for what was once acceptable and
unremarkable to suddenly be unconstitutional?



Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 23, 2019 01:46 PM (1g7ch)

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Yes, and there was also raised the question of standing.

What particularized injury will knowing the actual number of citizens cause?

The Dems have to argue that there may be *less* counting of people who have no legal right to be here in the first place.

Given the "actual enumeration" is spelled out, it's strange to find that the same document *bars* the government from knowing how many are citizens.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:58 PM (cfSRQ)

176 We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy.
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Well it doesn't look like I'll be taking up knitting then.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:58 PM (MVjcR)

177 Not necessarily. Mandating a pistol would be appropriate if Congress determines it to be preferable. Remember, purpose of the militia is to "execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions."

So requiring adults to have a 9mm for personal defense would fall under executing the laws.


Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 01:45 PM (cfSRQ)

You are not going to 'repel invasions' with a 9mm.

Note, the Militia acts did not even speak to side arms, which is what a pistol is considered.

It was Muskets, and Rifles.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (NgKpN)

178 Cannon were routinely privately owned in the founder's time. How does that square?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (yQpMk)
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I like your thinking but that wasn't covered in the interview.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (CFSlN)

179 Sound of freedom!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (MVjcR)

Damn straight!

And I shot straight, too.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (R+3Am)

180 The Militia Acts were, essentially, a draft. They
were to be invoked in case of insurrection or invasion by the President,
should Congress be in recess. It also provides for young white men to
purchase guns and ammo within 6 months of being called, with the
executive order ending after two years.



It recognized that many people in the 18-45 age range didn't and
weren't required to have guns, and it was a temporary emergency measure.


Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2019 01:49 PM (5aX2M)

And back then Congress wasn't around most of the year.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (ZEsGh)

181 I, for one, am so glad that the scourge of white supremacism has been eradicated in the knitting world. I was really worried for a while.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:00 PM (gC2IV)

182 179 Sound of freedom!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (MVjcR)

Damn straight!

And I shot straight, too.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (R+3Am)
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Nice! I had one of mine out last weekend too!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 02:00 PM (MVjcR)

183 Horus, thanks. No need to remind anyone that the highest degree of skepticism is warranted when dealing with expectations of Mexico's willingness/ability to cooperate - it's a weird, semi-failed state in many respects.


For example the touted deployment of 6K troops to Guatemalan crossing points already seems to have produced the expected "workarounds" [changing location of crossing]. Dynamic response.


Overall, including the actual nature of the funding supplemental that is part of the purported enforcement/congressional action mix, things look very grim on border and migration [see Cong. Roy on the supplemental].


Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:01 PM (QDnY+)

184 157 Justice Scalia said *bear arms* meant exactly that,
if you can carry it you can have it. ie You cannot bear a tank therefore you cannot possess a tank.

A shoulder fired missile is OK. If you can bear it.



Cannon were routinely privately owned in the founder's time. How does that square?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 01:51 PM (yQpMk)

Yup, a lot of the Artillery in the early Civil War (on both sides) were Guns owned by Cities, States, or PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, who donated them to the 'cause'.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:02 PM (NgKpN)

185 Wait, do people still live in New Jersey?

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Other than Mafiosi?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 02:03 PM (+y/Ru)

186 What the hevck? Most people should not carry firearms they are too stupid.

Posted by: guy with a pantload at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (UdKB7)

187 You are not going to 'repel invasions' with a 9mm.



Note, the Militia acts did not even speak to side arms, which is what a pistol is considered.



It was Muskets, and Rifles.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (NgKpN)

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I don't follow you. I'm not arguing the Militia Acts are still in effect. My point is that Congress could pass a law requiring individual ownership of firearms and it would pass Constitutional muster.

The language clearly includes "to execute the laws of the Union," which Congress could declare the purpose of the "militia call-up."

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (cfSRQ)

188 Cannon were routinely privately owned in the founder's time. How does that square?
Posted by: Grump928(C)


Further, the Founders were ok with hiring people who owned ships with cannons. AKA Privateers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (DrqHq)

189 >>>And back then Congress wasn't around most of the year.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (ZEsGh)
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They ought to try that again.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (CFSlN)

190 169
So they are "banning" anyone who supports President Trump?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 01:56 PM (JAi0L)

Sounds like an in Kind Campaign Contribution.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (NgKpN)

191 Not just criminal charges. Convictions.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (I5SAg)

192 We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy

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That sums it up pretty well.

I think the KKK and Black Panthers are idiots, but I also acknowledge that they are American and have every right to say dumb stuff.

These folks don't believe in that. I don't mean on their site. I get that part. They mean ANYWHERE. That's the whole "white supremacist" nonsense. Make that stick and supporting Trump is a crime everywhere.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:05 PM (Lwfjs)

193 181
I, for one, am so glad that the scourge of white supremacism has been
eradicated in the knitting world. I was really worried for a while.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:00 PM (gC2IV)

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I know I'll sleep better knowing that people wanting to knit MAGA caps will do it...without that one web site I never heard of before.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 02:05 PM (cfSRQ)

194
I think it's time we start going into leftist-owned firms and demand they make us Trump paraphernalia...or get sued.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:06 PM (JAi0L)

195 The day President Trump is no longer in office and it's a Democrat the retribution will be coming for anyone who backed Trump.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 02:06 PM (BbGew)

196 Grump, I think Classic or AIM has LE turn-in Hi Powers right now. In CA I can't even imagine getting one [not on the roster/not C and R], but you in America might. Price wasn't low but that's the nature of that beast, I believe.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:06 PM (QDnY+)

197 I think the KKK and Black Panthers are idiots, but I
also acknowledge that they are American and have every right to say
dumb stuff.


Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:05 PM (Lwfjs)

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But do they have the right to crochet it?

STAND UP AGAINST HATE KNITTING!!!

Posted by: Leftist knitter in pussy hat at June 23, 2019 02:07 PM (cfSRQ)

198 This is only a short summary, but worth reading over. The Regulators of North Carolina, circa 1771:

http://tinyurl.com/yxvas2c6

Excerpt: "The Regulators were a large group of North Carolina colonists who opposed the taxation and fee system imposed by colonial officials in the late 1760s."

We've been troublemakers here for some time.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:07 PM (KoKdw)

199 Challenge: give me one thing that Trump has done that is unequivocally white supremacist. No waffling or hedging like "enforcing immigration law is racist". Nothing out of context. An act or statement that could only have been motivated by outright racism, no qualifiers. Straight-up white supremacist, no more or less.

If you can, I'll humbly admit that I was wrong. If you can't, you're barred from employment and commerce, and I get to burn your home to the ground, your wretched family shrieking off into exile in the dead of night, the tawdry remnants of the rags on your backs your only allowed possessions.

Any takers?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:08 PM (t+qrx)

200 STAND UP AGAINST HATE KNITTING!!!
Posted by: Leftist knitter in pussy hat
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I'm knot so sure about this...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:08 PM (KoKdw)

201 Further, the Founders were ok with hiring people who owned ships with cannons. AKA Privateers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (DrqHq)

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Ah for the days when one could outfit a warship for fun and profit!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd, privateer in waiting at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (cfSRQ)

202 O/T

Went to a Lake up here in Calif Friday with the Lady friend, to do some Hiking and Kayaking.

Wore my MAGA Hat, and the ONLY comment I got all day, was POSITIVE.

Things are not as the media would have us believe, even here in Clownifornia.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (NgKpN)

203 You can have my kitting needles and crochet hook when you pry them from my cold dead hands!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (gC2IV)

204 I am still waiting for someone to test the ban on "open carry". Cop stops you while walking down the street with your SW semi pistol in a holster. You, of course, allow yourself to be arrested. Then the lawsuit begins. Take it all the way to SCOTUS.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:10 PM (I5SAg)

205 Excerpt: "The Regulators were a large group of North
Carolina colonists who opposed the taxation and fee system imposed by
colonial officials in the late 1760s."



We've been troublemakers here for some time.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:07 PM (KoKdw)

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Your college basketball teams are doing the same thing to the NCAA.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd, privateer in waiting at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (cfSRQ)

206 What the hevck? Most people should not carry firearms they are too stupid.

Posted by: guy with a pantload at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (UdKB7)

see: Darwin

Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (ykq7q)

207 I thought an anathema was a fancy library in Liverpool and in Boston??

Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (Dh1wo)

208 We've been troublemakers here for some time.
Un-reconstructed rebels/

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (I5SAg)

209 193 181
I, for one, am so glad that the scourge of white supremacism has been
eradicated in the knitting world. I was really worried for a while.

Posted by: Duke Lowell
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The purl world remains to be subdued, however.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:12 PM (KoKdw)

210

The right to keep and bear is inalienable and unconditional.

Abrogation or infringement is a result of irresponsible exercise of that right. The same applies to all rights enumerated.

The PRIVILEGE of not exercising any right is also unconditional. However, privilege may not trump a right.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2019 02:12 PM (KATBx)

211 Letters of Marque and Reprisal?
Bring back those days!

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (I5SAg)

212 That's just great. Where am I supposed to get the knitting patterns for KKK themed pot holders now?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (gC2IV)

213 If you're not competent enough to own a firearm then you are fully restricted from truly dangerous things like voting.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (Lwfjs)

214 206 What the hevck? Most people should not carry firearms they are too stupid.

Posted by: guy with a pantload at June 23, 2019 02:04 PM (UdKB7)

see: Darwin
Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (ykq7q)

It still cracks me up that the most famous Gunfight in History, the OK Corral, was when the Earp's were trying to confiscate guns.

Kinda makes me question who I should be rooting for.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (NgKpN)

215 I was thinking of joining rivalry.com so I can tell them to shove a needle where the sun do not shine

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 02:13 PM (85Gof)

216 hogmartin, your approach is sound, but I'd say you're stipulating too much in your challenge. The very term and concept "white supremacy" has no real world reality to which it applies - THAT is the first hurdle for the dim racists and race-baiters who use them have to clear. Which they can't. They're ranting about non-existent hobgobblins.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (QDnY+)

217 207
I thought an anathema was a fancy library in Liverpool and in Boston??


Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2019 02:11 PM (Dh1wo)

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No, its that thing you get when you're constipated.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd, privateer in waiting at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (cfSRQ)

218 The purl world remains to be subdued, however.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:12 PM (KoKdw)


Subdue the Perl world?

From my cold dead regexes.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (t+qrx)

219 "192These folks don't believe in that. I don't mean on
their site. I get that part. They mean ANYWHERE. That's the whole "white
supremacist" nonsense. Make that stick and supporting Trump is a crime
everywhere.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:05 PM (Lwfjs)"
..
The more they fuck with everyone else, the more those people decide that what *they* believe in is living some place without leftists in it... and then they get to thinking about how to be the change they want to see in the world, as someone once put it.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (67XdO)

220 189 >>>And back then Congress wasn't around most of the year.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 01:59 PM (ZEsGh)

______________________________

With today's high tech there is no reason they can't work out of an office in their hometown.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (DB16e)

221 They're ranting about non-existent hobgobblins.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (QDnY+)

Are hogobblins white?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 23, 2019 02:15 PM (85Gof)

222 >>>Ah for the days when one could outfit a warship for fun and profit!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd, privateer in waiting at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (cfSRQ)
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Hypothetically thinking: We've seen those vids of Somali pirates and how easy it is to overtake one of those big tankers.

A well trained and equipped crew, even with shooters on the ship, would have a good chance of subduing it.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:15 PM (CFSlN)

223 With today's high tech there is no reason they can't work out of an office in their hometown.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (DB16e)

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Less opportunity for graft.

Posted by: Congresscritter at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (cfSRQ)

224
Are hogobblins white?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Yes. The other white meat.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (2qPhT)

225 Things are not as the media would have us believe, even here in Clownifornia.
Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:09 PM (NgKpN)

If you're enjoying the outdoors, your odds are better for meeting people who are conservative leaning, or at least don't GAF one way or the other.

Posted by: Average Guy at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (LMcFk)

226 I've had enough people on Ravelry ask when I'm leaving that I'm rethinking it. I think I'd like to be banned instead. But I am looking for the appropriate agencies to hound about this censorship. And I've contacted a libertarian vendor about it. I intend to let them know this will hurt their advertising revenue.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (Lqy/e)

227 The very term and concept "white supremacy" has no real world reality to which it applies - THAT is the first hurdle for the dim racists and race-baiters who use them have to clear. Which they can't. They're ranting about non-existent hobgobblins.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 02:14 PM (QDnY+)


n.b. they had to thaw out "white supremacist" because "racist" ran out of juice. I'm idly curious what they'll choose once they've fucked the life out of THAT chicken.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:17 PM (t+qrx)

228 Less opportunity for graft.
Posted by: Congresscritter
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Also, more available for tar and feathers by constituents.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:17 PM (2qPhT)

229 You are not going to 'repel invasions' with a 9mm.


pfft, pew-pew-pew-pew 10 x might get the job done.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 02:17 PM (r/xAU)

230 226: I'm not sure it will. Will conservative yarn buyers really boycott Malabrigo or Cascade because they advertise on Ravelry?

Anyway, I deleted my account. Are you the one for whom they said "Less flouncing, more leaving, ta"?

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 02:19 PM (U7k5w)

231 Vacation on the high seas
See the world for a few weeks in out armed up privateer
Bonuses for loot secured!
A lifetime of memories to be had so come aboard!

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 02:20 PM (BbGew)

232 There are 272 Million cars registered in the US.
There are 37,00 deaths from Car wrecks per year.

There are 393 Million guns in the US.
There are 37,000 gun deaths per year in the US, with 22,000 of those being suicide.

Take out suicide, and you are about 3 times more likely to die from you car, then from your gun.

Clearly, we need to ban cars.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:21 PM (NgKpN)

233 n.b. they had to thaw out "white supremacist" because "racist" ran out of juice. I'm idly curious what they'll choose once they've fucked the life out of THAT chicken.


"nationalist"

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 23, 2019 02:21 PM (Rarvo)

234 Clearly, we need to ban cars.


don't give them any ideas!!!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 23, 2019 02:22 PM (Rarvo)

235 Here's a brief screencap of the Bolshie knitting crap:
https://twitter.com/ThinGrayLine01/status/
1142817986417451008
... if there hasn't been a link yet.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2019 02:22 PM (Dh1wo)

236 Taking enemy ships. The age-old method for a poor boy to become wealthy. E.G. Horatio Hornblower, Frederick Wentworth ("Persuasion").

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:22 PM (I5SAg)

237
If the Left honestly defined 'white supremacy,' they'd say it's anything that does not comport with idea that white people are to blame for everything and must be punished.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:23 PM (JAi0L)

238 Less opportunity for graft.
Posted by: Congresscritter at June 23, 2019 02:16 PM (cfSRQ)

_________________________

That would be horrible for Congress.
They'd even be held accountable by the hometown media to some extent. I would think that would mean a more informed voter roll. Yeah, couldn't have that.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 02:23 PM (DB16e)

239
Please don't go thinking that the left's use of 'white supremacy' has anything whatsoever to do with the phrase with which you're familiar.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:24 PM (JAi0L)

240 All of us down at the Brattleboro (aka Obammaboro, Vt) Women's, Gay, Lesbian, and Trans-Gender Reproductive Health Clinic are proud two announce will will be supporting Joo Bidin for Presdent. If Joo wins it will be just like havering Presdent Obama again. We loved are Black Presdent, did you ???

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Obamaboro, VT and Prood of it !!! at June 23, 2019 02:24 PM (qM84C)

241 Take out suicide, and you are about 3 times more likely to die from you car, then from your gun.

Clearly, we need to ban cars.
Posted by: Don Q
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Have you looked at the fatalities as a consequence of botched medical treatment?

"A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:25 PM (w54mS)

242 I don't know how Trump is a racist or white supremacist, anyway. These people are just rabid libs and would use any derigueur category to lander him and suppress/shame supporters. I hope "get woke, go broke" applies to these people.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 02:26 PM (U7k5w)

243 Have you looked at the fatalities as a consequence of botched medical treatment?

"A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:25 PM (w54mS)

Ran those stats before, you are more than 20 times more likely to be killed by your Doctor, than by someone else's gun.

Posted by: Don Q at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (NgKpN)

244
Keep in mind, ALL white people are BORN racist, according to the Left.

These words, such as "racist," mean NOTHING, today.
Do not give them any credibility.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (JAi0L)

245 Take out suicide, and you are about 3 times more likely to die from you car, then from your gun.

First your car runs you over, then your gun shoots you.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (NWiLs)

246 What's up in Ethiopia? Is it religious, ethnic or just old fashioned power grab?
Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 01:54 PM (CFSlN)

Ummmmmm......Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (Z+IKu)

247 And from way upthread, does our military really carry semi-auto rifles?

I can't imagine that whatever the current version of the M-16 is, it doesn't have full auto on the selector switch.

And no takers on the current law that includes an ex post facto portion?

Hint, it is one that a fair number around here are fully on board with.

Posted by: now, name me an ex post facto gun law at June 23, 2019 02:28 PM (ubFZv)

248 Yes, that would be me. I was off, posting the link to several conservative sites and Twitter. I am able to write real letters about it. Just considering where to put the effort. How many times have we been treated to Lefties claiming they will leave the country, if things don't go their way? They claim they aren't censoring conservatives. Maybe someone needs to show them when they do.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 02:28 PM (Lqy/e)

249 4 fcol, do I have to hold this discussion all alone?
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)


Oh wow! Antimatter Universe Willow sighting!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 23, 2019 02:28 PM (di1hb)

250
Hammer House Of Horrors is on. I never heard of this old (70's) Brit tv series.

It's pretty good.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (JAi0L)

251
That would be horrible for Congress.
They'd even be held accountable by the hometown media to some extent. I would think that would mean a more informed voter roll. Yeah, couldn't have that.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 02:23 PM (DB16e)
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I want their health insurance and pension.

Isn't it true that they only need be re-elected one time in order to receive a pension?

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (CFSlN)

252 Please don't go thinking that the left's use of 'white supremacy' has anything whatsoever to do with the phrase with which you're familiar.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:24 PM (JAi0L)


No, of course it hasn't. I shouldn't be thinking of ways to win rhetorically against people who failed remedial reality as a second language, because it's like playing cards with someone who says your hand is just a social construct.

*sigh*

Gonna need lots of torches, I guess.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (t+qrx)

253 also self cleaning, and maybe I should have one to match every wardrobe choice.
Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 12:18 PM (r/xAU)

Evening Attire: Bond Arms derringer on tasteful but saucy thigh holster
Weddings: Skorpion SMG, in chrome and mother of pearl grips (lots of people at weddings)
Business: Glock 43
Casual: ...Help me out here. CZ PO-1? Belt holster?
Beach: Micro-Uzi (fits in beach bag)
Shopping: CZ 75, in tote holster

Posted by: Mark Rothko at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (R7nPl)

254 When the term white supremacist runs out of steam, they'll revert to racist. Sort of like rotating crops.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (gC2IV)

255 Hammer House Of Horrors is on.

It bends the nails every. Single. Time.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (NWiLs)

256
So, essentially if your car, your doctor, and your gun all conspire against you -

it's curtains, baby!


Posted by: naturalfake at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (r1/AF)

257 Don't forget to count all the old people in hospice that are literally starved to death, even though feeding tubes and intraveneous feeding are possible.

Posted by: JAS at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (I5SAg)

258 Mary - Have you ever looked into getting a nice 9mm handgun for protection? There are many to choose from.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (BbGew)

259 Ran those stats before, you are more than 20 times more likely to be killed by your Doctor, than by someone else's gun.
Posted by: Don Q
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So the query by the doctor at examination time, rather than "Do you have any guns?" should be, "Do you have a doctor?" LOL, it sure as hell would make the point.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (w54mS)

260 In case it hasn't been posted: Five cities where gun ownership is mandatory. It is an AOL link.

https://tinyurl.com/ycer6x9

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (iTfiy)

261 First your car runs you over, then your gun shoots you.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 02:27 PM (NWiLs)


Then your dog leaves you for your best friend.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (t+qrx)

262 Posted by: now, name me an ex post facto gun law at June 23, 2019 02:28 PM (ubFZv)

You get semi and three round burst on M16s and M4s.

Posted by: Vanya at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (R7nPl)

263 248: Casey-boy plagiarized RPGnet. He couldn't come up with his own dishonest diatribe.

Do I want to contribute to his income stream? No, not even advertiser links.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 02:31 PM (U7k5w)

264 First your car runs you over, then your gun shoots you.

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First you get in your truck, and then your dog shoots you. See yesterday's pet thread.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2019 02:31 PM (Dh1wo)

265 First your car runs you over, then your gun shoots you.

Posted by: Insomniac
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But the real danger is after you've been taken to the hospital.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 02:33 PM (Ou6XS)

266 Then your dog leaves you for your best friend.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 02:30 PM (t+qrx)

hasn't that happened to many of us? I say dogs are only loyal when You are the one that gives them the best treats!

Try being a kosher household and some pal brings along a treyf treat.

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 02:33 PM (r/xAU)

267


nood

nice work, willow!

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 02:34 PM (JAi0L)

268 Thanks Vanya.
Guess I'll stick with the model I carried in the early-mid 70's.

Posted by: now, name me an ex post facto gun law at June 23, 2019 02:34 PM (ubFZv)

269 ty sooth!

Posted by: willow at June 23, 2019 02:35 PM (r/xAU)

270 I want their health insurance and pension.



Isn't it true that they only need be re-elected one time in order to receive a pension?

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 02:29 PM (CFSlN)

No, it's 5 years of service, so a senator needs to get through 5/6 of a term and a congressman needs to be elected 3 times and get through half of the 3rd term.

Posted by: Vendette at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (ZEsGh)

271 Get in the truck, huh? Just a quick trip to the vet, you said. Where are my balls, Kevin? Where. Are. My. Balls?

Posted by: Dog what shot his owner at June 23, 2019 02:36 PM (gC2IV)

272 Nood fractions

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 23, 2019 02:37 PM (j5RRD)

273 - 15 bicyclists who believe their group is a single vehicle and who can't use any other roads but the busiest ones
Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 23, 2019 01:31 PM (SYNdr)

Slingshot. Quarter-ounce fishing sinker. Treble hook. Three yards of 100# test line.

Some assembly required.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 02:38 PM (WG6O9)

274 There are 272 Million cars registered in the US.
There are 37,00 deaths from Car wrecks per year.

There are 393 Million guns in the US.
There are 37,000 gun deaths per year in the US, with 22,000 of those being suicide.

-

Now do new annual HIV cases and AIDS deaths.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, the Return of Moron Robbie, now in theaters at June 23, 2019 02:39 PM (Lwfjs)

275 The thing that aggravates me the most is that the gun control advocates have a process to make all the changes they want but they refuse to initiate it and instead uses lawfare in front of retarded judges.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 02:41 PM (2DOZq)

276 The chief of staff of the Ethiopian army and the governor of the region that's historically been the country's seat of political power were both assassinated yesterday, icymi
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 01:48 PM (DrqHq)

The perps: muzzies or commies?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 02:41 PM (WG6O9)

277 247 And from way upthread, does our military really carry semi-auto rifles?

I can't imagine that whatever the current version of the M-16 is, it doesn't have full auto on the selector switch.

And no takers on the current law that includes an ex post facto portion?

Hint, it is one that a fair number around here are fully on board with.
Posted by: now, name me an ex post facto gun law at June 23, 2019 02:28 PM (ubFZv)


I believe the latest version of the M16 (M16A4) with Safe/Semi/3 Round Burst was the standard issue rifle for USMC until 2014. Now, infantry types have the M4 carbine (full auto) and non-infantry Marines have the M16A4.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 23, 2019 02:47 PM (di1hb)

278 Vacation on the high seas
See the world for a few weeks in out armed up privateer
Bonuses for loot secured!
A lifetime of memories to be had so come aboard!
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 02:20 PM (BbGew)

Cries out for a link to this:

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=mQbh7UNCZdc

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 02:52 PM (WG6O9)

279 Mandatory ownership - it's an interesting idea, but I could never get behind it since I know a few people, including a couple relatives, who should never under any circumstances be allowed to own - or even handle - a firearm. And that's not an exaggeration in any way - one I can think of, the only question would be who she managed to shoot first, herself or whoever she was pissed off at, at the moment.

Posted by: tom servo at June 23, 2019 02:55 PM (V2Yro)

280 Now do new annual HIV cases and AIDS deaths.


The gun is good, the penis evil.

Posted by: Zardoz at June 23, 2019 02:56 PM (yQpMk)

281 Forced gun ownership is not a great idea, but how about this: mandatory gun training in high schools. no one's allowed to graduate and until they've passed weapon training class where they learned to shoot and maintain a firearm. We can decertify and not provide federal funds for high schools that refuse(such a high school would not be meeting the standard of education- the same as if they were not teaching English or math). Let's make sure that every American gets the training they need to exercise their birthright of gun ownership.

Posted by: Ryan at June 23, 2019 03:57 PM (MbXyl)

282 Don Q: The (Second) Militia Act of 1792 (I got my years mixed up), actually does mention side-arms. Ordinary troops must have a bayonet, while officers must carry swords or hangers. Some of colonial/State militia laws required tomahawks, hatchets, or cutting swords.
So a law specifying side arms in addition to long arms would have precedent.

A.H. Lloyd: Given the standard of said Militia Act, I agree with Don Q that the AR-15 would wind up at the default, or at least the 5.56 mm as the required caliber.
However, if it did come to specifying sidearms, I'm sure the argument over caliber there would cause quite the internet-style war.
(Also, thank you for covering all the history elements that I left unexplained in such a concise and accurate manner.)

Posted by: Sam at June 23, 2019 04:26 PM (YScgw)

283 What about cannons mortars and mines ? Can we have those too please ?

Posted by: Kurt at June 23, 2019 04:48 PM (eHPhW)

284 What about cannons mortars and mines ? Can we have those too please ?


We did before when we were free men.

Back under the stairs, Dunce.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 23, 2019 06:10 PM (yQpMk)

285 No need to mandate. Another way is the legitimate way. Simply create an executive order, where by you declare a natural right as the purview and only the purview of the dirt people:
Everyone is a member of the honorable militia by dint of being an American citizen.

Simple.

imagine to insanity of those who have yet to learn to code.

Posted by: Phil Carson at June 23, 2019 06:15 PM (LLej1)

286 "Moving The Overton Window In The Other Direction: Mandating Firearms Ownership"

Oh yeah.
You do everything possible to slam the Overton window in the other direction.

It costs the human extinction movement huge resources and money to simply move it back to it's last place.
All the while you outflank em' from another direction.

Ol' Ace may have forgotten his brilliant tiny masterpiece 12 years ago, but I never did.

Preference Cascade Bitchez.

Posted by: Phil Carson at June 23, 2019 06:22 PM (LLej1)

287 It changes the convo though. Once someone mentions school killings, and gun murders in general, followed by "we should outlaw them ...", the mention of universal ownership, training and carry would make them suck in some air, followed by a lengthy silence. I like it! It's less unconstitutional than anything going against the 2nd!

Posted by: Catnip at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (fXZu3)

Sunday Morning Book Thread 06-23-2019

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Boston Athenæum


Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, crétins sans pantalon, fat-heads, meat-heads, pot-heads, acid-heads, potato-heads and morons who picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, writing, and publishing by escaped oafs who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, which look like something George Jetson might see after accidentally inhaling some space mushroom spores.



Pic Note

This library has been around for awhile:

Founded in 1807, the Boston Athenæum is one of the oldest and most distinguished independent libraries and cultural institutions in the United States. It grew out of a slightly earlier organization known as the Anthology Society which had been formed in 1805 by a group of Bostonians...[whose] purpose was to form "an establishment similar to that of the Athenæum and Lyceum of Liverpool in Great Britain; combining the advantages of a public library [and] containing the great works of learning and science in all languages."...Today its collections comprise over half a million volumes, with particular strengths in Boston history, New England state and local history, biography, English and American literature, and the fine and decorative arts.



Children's Book Bleg

I see many requests from you morons for children's book recommendations, presumably because you want good stories and you don't want to fill up their heads with modern day woke crap. So I am working with 'ette commenter "Brunette the 'Ette" to compile a spreadsheet (or series of spreadsheets) of good recommendations based on age. And by "working with" I mean that Brunette is doing all of the work and I'll just take what she sends me and make it available. The question is, what's the best way to do this? These will be Excel spreadsheets (containing links to Amazon and other sites) and I doubt all of you have Microsoft Office, so I'm open to suggestions. Maybe some kind of Google doc thingy somewhere on the so-called 'Cloud'? Please leave your suggestions in the comments. Thank you.


It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

Covertly implying or drawing attention to something by ostensibly avoiding all mention of it is called PARALEIPSIS.

Usage: Remember that thing I told you to stop thinking about it? Well, stop thinking about it.



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Jim Acosta Wrote a Book

E I E I O...

Yeah, it's a bad as you might think::

From the hazy denials and accusations meant to discredit the Mueller investigation, to the president’s scurrilous tweets, Jim Acosta is in the eye of the storm while reporting live to millions of people across the world. After spending hundreds of hours with the revolving door of White House personnel, Acosta paints portraits of the personalities of Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, Sean Spicer, Hope Hicks, Jared Kushner and more. Acosta is tenacious and unyielding in his public battle to preserve the First Amendment and #RealNews.

Holy crap. What a pompous b*tthole.

This NPR review is gently but firmly negative:

The Enemy of the People would have been a good place to ask why Trump has succeeded in this project. But Acosta used it as an opportunity to relitigate his spats with the White House rather than to meaningfully interrogate the cultural shift that left huge numbers of people despising and fearing the press.

Li'l Jimmy cries:

"...Members of the press have been so savaged by Trump and his propagandists in the media that journalists seem almost foreign or anti-American to his supporters."

Does this sanctimonious horse's ass really think we hate the media becaus Trump told us to? I've got news for him. We've hated the Eastern Liberal Media Establishment for decades. Let me put it this way: When it first became obvious to me that the MSM was basically a cabal of lying rat bastard commies, Acosta was still in grade school. Oh, and he's got his bloomers in a bunch that we dare make assumptions about his patriotism. Does he think we haven't heard journalists express doubts about expressions of patriotism? Does he think we didn't witness the cabal of lying rat bastard commie media stooges pull out all the stops to get the American-hating Barak Obama elected? Does he think we don't know that the MSM is infested with a rat's nest of anti-American lefties? Does anybody else think it's odd that after p*ssing on America for years, America-hating lefties are now wrapping themselves in the flag and trying to pass themselves off as America-loving patriots?


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I never thought our mainstream media would get so bad that I'd be yearning for the days of Sam Donaldson.



The Thing That Got Real Big

AbeBooks has another fun collection, Retro Monsters in Books, that has lots of great cover art. Includes such classics as John Campbell's The Thing From Outer Space and Lord of the Spiders by Michael Moorcock.




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Moron Recommendations

Here's a rec that's been sitting in my queue for a couple of weeks:

18 Still working my through 'The Invention That Changed The World'.


A damned fine book, but quite a tome. A billion pages, or maybe a little less. Extremely well researched and written.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2019 09:10 AM (2qPhT)

The blurb is pretty minimal:

Recalls the small group of scientists whose invention of radar during World War II contributed to the Allied victory, as well as chronicling their significant post-war achievements.

The technology that was created to win World War Ii (radar) has revolutionized the modern world. This is the story of the inventors and their inventions.

The Invention That Changed the World: How a Small Group of Radar Pioneers Won the Second World War and Launched a Technical Revolution by Robert Buderi is a link to the paperback edition.Also available in hardcover. I didn't any e-book versions.

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From an e-mail I received earlier this week:

I wanted to suggest R.F. Kuang's The Poppy War, which reads like a fusion of Harry Potter and the Second Sino-Japanese War, complete with a horrific expy of the Rape of Nanking. (Kuang cites Iris Chang's book in her afterword.) It's not your bog-standard fantasy novel, even if everyone is running around with bows, arrows, swords, and polearms; the gods are very real and very feared for very good reasons, as our war orphan protagonist finds out after escaping her foster parents by passing the rigorous entrance exam for Sinegard, the Imperial military academy. I am looking forward to the sequel (The Dragon Republic) which is due out in August, hoping that Rin will live happily ever after and dreading that she won't.

As of when I typing this (Tuesday afternoon), the Kindle edition of The Poppy War, as I type this, can be purchased for $2.99. Don't know how long this price will last. The Dragon Republic can be pre-ordered for $11.99.

Also, the book by Iris Chang he mentioned is The Rape Of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust Of World War II

This recommendation comes with a caveat:

I can't stress enough that this isn't a YA novel unless you raised your kids on stuff like THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO, THE THEORY & PRACTICE OF HELL, and similar texts. I had to put the book down for a minute during the chapter where Rin and her compatriots come to the capitol city, which has gotten the Rape of Nanking treatment, and I have a pretty strong stomach.


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292 #233 "Okay, I was sure there was an older SF book by the title "Sky Without Stars", about a man at the edge of the galaxy. I can't find it listed. Am I trippin'?" Eris.

I think you may be looking for Poul Anderson's "World Without Stars" 1967. The plot involves a starship crash landing on a world circling a lone star outside our galaxy. The Galaxy is the dominate feature in the night sky there and one of the local cultures worships it as God. It is a good book; currently available for only $1.99 on Kindle or you can look for a paperback with the Michael Whelan cover art.

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at June 16, 2019 06:08 PM (iuRR5)

Unfortunately, I must've missed the sale because the price for the Kindle edition of World Without Stars is now back up to $7.99.

In a far-future era, death is virtually no more, banished except in the case of severe, violent trauma, enabling mankind to spend what were once entire lifetimes exploring the farthest reaches of the vast universe. When the interstellar vessel Meteor is dispatched to investigate a distant orb circling a giant red sun, an error in calculations sends the ship crashing into a different world altogether, casting its surviving crew into the heart of a savage, planetwide war of primitive alien tribes. With no means of escape and hostiles on every side, the situation appears hopeless for Captain Felip Argens. But for the mission’s true leader—crewman, adventurer, and ship’s bard Hugh Valland—impossible is not an option. If necessary, he will alter destiny to end the terrible conflict and bring his men safely back home, even if it takes decades, or centuries, or longer—for a remarkable love patiently awaits Valland’s return to Earth. It is she who sustains him, who inspires his actions, his courage, his song, with a love that is a miracle, a memory, a tragedy, and a dream.

That's a lot of story to be told in only 150 pages. You can also get paperback used copies. Cheaper used copies can be had on AbeBooks for considerably cheaper.

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277 Les Kinetic, when son N**** the Valiant was 12, his older sister at college sent him The Lightning Thief. She was a Classicist in college, and my son went from a non-reader to a Classics enthusiast overnight. Went off to college at 15 to study Latin and Greek.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 16, 2019 01:57 PM (w7U7L)

If this book inspired a lifetime of study, how could I not check it out? The Lightning Thief appears to be Book 1 of the Percy Jackson and the Olympians series. The bad news is that the Amazon blurb is pretty sparse:

Percy Jackson is a good kid, but he can't seem to focus on his schoolwork or control his temper. And lately, being away at boarding school is only getting worse-Percy could have sworn his pre-algebra teacher turned into a monster and tried to kill him.

A little more detail would've been good, I think. But the good news is that this book is only $1.99, so it won't cost you much to find out if it can change your life as it did Charles the Simple's son.

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Books by Morons

Got an e-mail from moron author Max Cossack:

I noticed with delight that Sunday night, the Ace of Spades’ first “quote of the day” was a link to Susan Vass’s Friday “Ammo Grrrll” column on PowerLine. Thanks!

Which makes this exactly the right time to let you and the Sunday book thread readers know that Susan has four complete books of collected Ammo Grrrll Powerline columns for sale on Amazon. Here’s her brand new collection, in which she has truly hit her stride in capturing the absurdity of the “Resistance” meltdown, as well as the righteous indignation of the much-maligned residents of “Flyover Land”. Susan takes on Vice President Pence’s policy of not dining alone with women not his wife; a rousing discussion of bathing vs. showering; her first rodeo, and a list of “12 Things More Accurate than CNN.”

Ammo Grrrll Is Home On The Range: A Humorist's Friday Columns For Power Line (Volume 4) is available on Kindle or paperback.

Max also says:

By coincidence, this weekend, Max Cossack’s new adventure novel Zarah’s Fire will be on sale for $2.99 on Amazon in a "Countdown Sale."

Zarah's Fire, which I pimped in an earlier book thread, concludes the story that began with Khaybar, Minnesota.

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'Ette author Kerrie Noor informs me that the sequel to her science-fiction comedy novel Rebel Without A Clue, is on sale this week:

The Edinburgh Festival is about to be invaded-will anyone notice?

Mex is heading for the Edinburgh Festival in search of Legless. Hot on her heels is Beryl a leader who has already dropped Mex in it once and, now plans to do so again.

Beryl must make contact with Mex before Mex finds Legless; retrieve the spark plug formula, find a way back to Planet Hy Man and save her planet.

And all before the Edinburgh Festival finishes!

A feat made near impossible when considering her arch-rival Hilda, a woman as ruthless as a politician. has access to every high- tech spying equipment going.

A Rebel Without a Bra is the second in the Planet Hy Man series where every hero is a woman old enough to know better and old enough not to care.

And the Edinburgh Festival is indeed a thing, not just something invented. by the author as a storytelling device.

This week, you can buy the Kindle edition of Rebel Without A Bra for the sale price of 99 cents.


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If you like, you can follow me on Twitter, where I make the occasional snarky comment.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

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1 Hello fellow bibiliophiliacs.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:00 AM (kQs4Y)

2 !

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:01 AM (b084x)

3 It's so immature to take pride in Firstiness. Don't you think?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:01 AM (kQs4Y)

4 Ya got me !

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:01 AM (b084x)

5 Good morning, Bookies.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:02 AM (R+3Am)

6 Being first on the book thread is like winning the NIT.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 09:03 AM (cfSRQ)

7 Tolle Lege
Should be done Making Sense of the Molly Maguires by Kevin Kenny today.
While not following the movie I do see much was fictional, but still a favorite.
The other shocking thing I learned was hanging isn't the quick execution I was led to believe.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 09:03 AM (BbGew)

8 Recommended here, I read the novel Chernobyl by Fredrick Pohl. On one level the book is a taunt thriller, and on another it's an explanation of what happened to cause the disaster and what the cleanup entailed. An interesting, gripping read.

Posted by: Zoltan at June 23, 2019 09:04 AM (Zgezk)

9 It's so immature to take pride in Firstiness. Don't you think?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes


Well, when you get a first and a picture of yourself in pants in the same thread you're allowed to crow a bit.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 09:05 AM (fuK7c)

10 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading.

I've come to the conclusion that whoever makes "these pants" hates both the human body and any sense of Western (possibly universal) taste. Or maybe they are just trying to be stupid and are winning the contest.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:05 AM (bmdz3)

11 Reading: Making good progress through the Book That Shall Not Be Named. Goal is to get this clunker out of the way ASAP so I can read something less punishing.

Writing: Made first actual progress this week on new writing project, which is a retread of an old one. I'm still net -3,000 words from where I dusted it off, but it's nice to be writing text rather than deleting it.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 09:05 AM (cfSRQ)

12 The other shocking thing I learned was hanging isn't the quick execution I was led to believe.

Not if the neck doesn't break.

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:05 AM (b084x)

13 Looks well-lit. Shelves don't seem to be impossibly inaccessible. Some possibly comfortable places to sit.

I'll take it.

(Y'think anyone's ever just laid down, put his feet up on those bolsters, and stretched out on that couch in the foreground? I would. With a big, heavy book open on my chest whilst I snoozed rested my eyes.)
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Those... "pants" are bad enough. The "top" is about as bad. But... what are those things on its shoulders? Look like sponges or something.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for vids blog at June 23, 2019 09:06 AM (/IMJl)

14 Did a reread of the Mitch Rapp series by Vince Flynn and moved on to the Mercedes Lackey Elemental Masters series.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 09:07 AM (mpXpK)

15 LOL that American Chopper meme. Too true! This is my internal dialog every time I go to a sale "just to browse".

This thread is positively turgid with content, OM!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:07 AM (kQs4Y)

16 OM, I really enjoy those drawings and paintings you've been including after the Word Power segment. Thanks.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:09 AM (bmdz3)

17 It's so immature to take pride in Firstiness. Don't you think? ''

Si. Act as if you've been there before...

Morning, y'all! Lovely AM, so... more coffeve!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 09:11 AM (6qErC)

18 Well, when you get a first and a picture of yourself in pants in the same thread you're allowed to crow a bit.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 09:05 AM (fuK7c)
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It's like Ziggy Stardust's flying squirrel suit!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:11 AM (kQs4Y)

19 Gulag Archipelago and Mere Christianity are sitting in front of me. One on digital and one in large print paper.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 23, 2019 09:12 AM (JFO2v)

20 Ok, last week I read Quick and Dirty by Stuart Woods about art theft. I like him his books are interesting and quick reads.

His first book Chiefs is one of the best books I ever read.

Then I started reading The Philadelphia Experiment but I interrupted that to start reading Let it Burn a novel set in Detroit by Steve Hamilton. Its pretty good.

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:13 AM (b084x)

21 Good morning all!
I have started reading The Poisonwood Bible. It is absolute garbage. I hate starting a book and not finishing it, though. Basically, it is White Christians--> bad. Native black African pagans--> good. Catholics--> bad. Protestants--> worse. European colonialism--> bad. Societies with witch doctors--> good. Truly a glimpse into a lot of progs' minds, I bet.

Posted by: jmel at June 23, 2019 09:14 AM (OeWgo)

22 (sotto voce to OM)
Um, you might want to look at the caption of your library picture. The a and the e are, ahem, doing it.

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 09:14 AM (T6t7i)

23 Oh yeah, books.

I read Mary Robinette Kowal’s “The Calculating Stars”, an interesting alternate history in which a meteorite strikes the Chesapeake Bay area in 1952 and obliterates the East Coast. As bad as that is, the stuff kicked up into the atmosphere will eventually cause the Earth to be unlivable, so an accelerated international space program is ramped up to get colonies on the moon, Mars, and beyond.

Our protagonist is a pilot who was a WASP in WWII and is now a mathematician for NACA. She wants to be an astronaut. There will obviously be a need for them if humanity is to colonize space, but this is the fifties and there are roadblocks to her selection.

The first couple chapters describing the meteor strike and its aftermath were terrific, but it quickly become a gauntlet of -isms for her and her rainbow coalition of fellow female scientists and mathematicians to endure and overcome. It’s a shame, because she is a very deft writer and I enjoyed parts of it despite the wokeness.

But it got rather boring and bogged down in minutiae and I skipped to the lunar launch in the final pages. There was a nice passage where the astronauts finally see the stars clearly again once they are above the detritus.

(Follow-on: Sped through the sequel where they go on to Mars. Meh.)

It’s not even SF with a progressive agenda, it’s Progressivism in SF trappings. She’s a good writer and means well, but everything is through a lens of race/class/gender. Still, Nebula Award winner!

Remember how Heinlein would cleverly let you follow a character for chapter after chapter and then casually mention he or she was black/Asian/etc.? It was a great way to play with your assumptions. Well, with Kowal the character’s race is the first thing you have to know about that person.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:15 AM (kQs4Y)

24 The a and the e are, ahem, doing it.


That's where dipthongs come from.

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:16 AM (b084x)

25 My reading has been sparse. I just can't seem to get engaged in a book lately. Even stuff I've read before that I loved. I get about 25-50 pages in and decide it's not worth the time.... I think part of it is finding out so many authors are leftists isn't helpful. That is always there in the background for me, I can't help it. Just like trying to watch a movie with all the sjw crap. I finally saw Endgame and the parts where Captain America is counseling the gay guy and the women save the Day were were bad...really bad. The conservative authors can be just as over the top with their agendas. Sorry to be a downer...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 23, 2019 09:17 AM (UUBmN)

26 You know or will get all the standards in this catagory so...

For 10ish year old boys

Bristle Face by Zachary Ball
William Allen White Award winner

No idea on availability.

Posted by: Sad ending to new beginning at June 23, 2019 09:17 AM (ubFZv)

27 Booken morgen horden!

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 23, 2019 09:18 AM (dm05u)

28 Adam Rex’s “Fat Vampire” is funny but it’s basically a big bag of Doritos, you keep going but it’s not really filling.

But there are laughs on every page.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:20 AM (kQs4Y)

29 Even my 12 yo will point out sjw stuff in books he's reading.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 23, 2019 09:20 AM (UUBmN)

30 > The a and the e are, ahem, doing it.


That's where dipthongs come from.
Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:16 AM (b084x)


I wasn't gonna say nothin', but the whole thread's full of copulæ. *shields eyes*

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:20 AM (t+qrx)

31 OM:

OpenOffice and LibreOffice are open-source versions of the familiar Microsponge product, available for free at their respective dot-orgs.

Either will open an Excel spreadsheet, and perform all the usual functions.


I vote for no cloud, and no Google involvement.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 23, 2019 09:21 AM (ITxGy)

32 Thanks to the moron who recommended Idaho Falls. I had no idea the first nuclear accident occurred on US soil in 1961.
Fascinating read.

Posted by: mpfs, Waiter, I'll have the Juan de Fuca Plate at June 23, 2019 09:21 AM (I7Wzx)

33 I am STILL reading the complete Sherlock Holmes collection. I think I started in January sometime. Although that's on hold for a bit so I can read the quit smoking book Ace recommended.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2019 09:21 AM (wvGlN)

34 The Percy Jackson series is a LOT of fun!
The writer Rick Riordan was a middle school tracher, IIRC, whoo would test out the stories by reading them to his class
I don't know if he still teaches now as he's written about a gazillion books
They made the first 2 books into movies some years ago.

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 23, 2019 09:22 AM (dm05u)

35 Jordan61

And WHY did someone tell you to wear underwear ?

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:24 AM (b084x)

36 29 Even my 12 yo will point out sjw stuff in books he's reading.
Posted by: lin-duh at June 23, 2019 09:20 AM (UUBmN)
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As a kid I could sniff out SJW before SJW was even a thing. All you need to see is "Newberry Award" on the cover and I knew it was supposed to be uplifting and inclusive.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:25 AM (kQs4Y)

37 Just about to the end of A Canticle for Liebowitz.


A Hugo winner from 1961, it's amazing to think that such a book, celebrating the Church and without a single female character, would be considered a Hate Crime by the same people in 2019.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 09:25 AM (oVJmc)

38 21
Good morning all!

I have started reading The Poisonwood Bible
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Never heard of it.

I assume the author knows nothing about actual African animism, which has some pretty er, *problematic* practices.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 09:25 AM (cfSRQ)

39 No new books to read lately.

The used book stores I peruse in my AO have had no new arrivals for my interests.

Just lots and lots of roooooomance novels.

Who reads all of those is a mystery to me but I can guess.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 09:25 AM (Z+IKu)

40 Gotta go...shit tadoo.

I'll check back later..Have a Great One, Bookhorde !

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:26 AM (b084x)

41 As a kid I could sniff out SJW before SJW was even a thing. All you
need to see is "Newberry Award" on the cover and I knew it was supposed
to be uplifting and inclusive.


Which, of course, meant it was irritating and exclusive of anyone who didn't agree with them.

Posted by: pep at June 23, 2019 09:26 AM (T6t7i)

42 As far as Accosta's book is concerned and the 'recent' distrust of journalism. In the late 60s I had a chance to talk to some Marines wounded in Nam and recovering at a local navy hospital. Were they bitter about their wounds? Nope, not exactly. They were worried about their squad mates. And they were livid about the news coverage. My justified doubts about reporting in general, the New York Times, and Walter Fuckin' Cronkite began at that moment. I doubt Accosta was even born by then.

BTW, My disgust with journalism has only grown deeper and more justified. That's why J.J.'s morning news round up is so valuable.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:26 AM (bmdz3)

43 I was charmed by the space age bachelor pad grooviness of Rod Taylor’s automated house, especially his kitchen, in “The Glass Bottom Boat”, and this week I found “The Midcentury Kitchen: 1940s – 1970s” by Sarah Archer at the library. This 1972 show kitchen is like Peter Max exploded in it:

https://tinyurl.com/yxcujk26

Sorry for all the linketry, but I’m going down the rabbit hole!

https://flashbak.com/30-vintage-kitchens-from-atomic-age-to-disco-era-383812/

Lots of efficiency experts put their minds to creating the best dimensions for this home workspace. Christine Frederick thought the home was a work site/assembly plant just like a factory and applied the same ideas to the kitchen, and published her ideas in “The New Housekeeping” in 1913.

https://archive.org/details/newhousekeeping00fredrich/page/n13

She, in turn, influenced Austrian Margarete Shutte-Lihostsky of the famous Frankfurt Kitchen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrdwMfJJPP0

Our modern kitchens are basically unchanged from these early and mid-century designs.

The kitchen of the future! (I want that crushed ice gun and the broiler):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snA2kT_UysU
The WestinghouseTotal Electric Home with Betty Furness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyrTgtPTz3M

Nothing marks a decade like color. There are traditional pink and aqua palettes from the 50’s, the sunny trippy daisy fields of the 60s, and on through the burnt orange and avocado-tinged Lileksian/Lovecraftian horrors of the 70s. I have one with lots of black and brushed steel which looks good in a cavernous apartment converted from a factory, but I bet it will look dated in 5 years.

The kitchen of the future, today! Well, in 1956:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiACOLuYlJ4

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:26 AM (kQs4Y)

44 No new books to read lately.

The used book stores I peruse in my AO have had no new arrivals for my interests.

Just lots and lots of roooooomance novels.

Who reads all of those is a mystery to me but I can guess.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Dames.

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:27 AM (b084x)

45 Oregon, do you mean to post a spreadsheet or email it around?

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 23, 2019 09:28 AM (dm05u)

46 I have a recommendation for anyone who loves the classic ghost story: the fiction of Russell Kirk. Now, Kirk was best known in his day as a writer on conservative political philosophy (and his work on that is well worth reading). However he also wrote fiction; mostly what he called "the ghostly tale".

His short stories were most recently collected in a book entitled: "Ancestral Shadows: An Anthology of Ghostly Tales", 2004. Arkham House also published two collections of his stories "The Princess of All Lands" 1979 and "Watchers at the Strait Gate" 1984 (please note that these two volumes collect the same stories as "Ancestral Shadows"). These are erudite and chilling tales; I advise against reading them when you are alone in the house at night.

Kirk also wrote three novels. The first "Old House of Fear" (a gothic tale mostly set on a remote Scottish island) is currently in print. The other are "A Creature of the Twilight" and "Lord of the Hollow Dark". These are related and feature one of Kirk's most enjoyable creations: Manfred Arcane, a suave and sinister gentleman who can, with equal elegance, kiss a lady's hand or cut a man's throat. Arcane also appears in a couple of the short stories ("The Last God's Dream" and "The Peculiar Demesne of Archvicar Gerontion").

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at June 23, 2019 09:29 AM (iuRR5)

47 25
My reading has been sparse. I just can't seem to get engaged in a book
lately. Even stuff I've read before that I loved. I get about 25-50
pages in and decide it's not worth the time.... I think part of it is
finding out so many authors are leftists isn't helpful. That is always
there in the background for me, I can't help it. Just like trying to
watch a movie with all the sjw crap. I finally saw Endgame and the parts
where Captain America is counseling the gay guy and the women save the
Day were were bad...really bad. The conservative authors can be just as
over the top with their agendas. Sorry to be a downer...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 23, 2019 09:17 AM (UUBmN)

*Shameless self-promotion alert*

You might enjoy my books, which are generally politics-free. I'm told they are quick and enjoyable reads.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 09:30 AM (cfSRQ)

48 This may be in the wrong place.

You were asking about spreadsheets and pointing out that everyone doesn't have Excel. Why don't you put your data into OpenOffice or LibreOffice? Just as powerful as Excel and available for pretty much every OS. It's also free and can read/write Excel files.

Posted by: Michael Stamps at June 23, 2019 09:30 AM (bIQRl)

49 35 Jordan61

And WHY did someone tell you to wear underwear ?
Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:24 AM (b084x)

LOL, on one of the threads Friday evening AlaBAMA said we had to wear underwear.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2019 09:30 AM (wvGlN)

50 Want a damned good conservative read, try END TIMES. The reason I know is I wrote it. A social critique of our celebrity-sick culture wrapped up as a thriller package with a pretty bow. It's on Amazon because I want Bezos to own everything.

Posted by: Banjo at June 23, 2019 09:31 AM (SYCeT)

51 Ah, here it is:
443 The only thing I don't like about this place is the dress code.





Some of you really should be wearing underwear.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2019 09:42 PM (CqtRA)

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2019 09:32 AM (wvGlN)

52 I read Everything but the Flak by Martin Caidin. Published in 1964, it is the account of the trans-Atlantic flight of three B-17 bombers in 1961 for the filming of the movie, The War Lover. These guys were lunatics (with extensive combat flying experience) and had quite a few harrowing experiences before safely reaching England. A quick read but the book is rather scarce and expensive. There is a photo from the movie in which a B-17 is flying about 20 feet above the runway while "beating up" the airfield. Rating = 4.0/5.0

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 23, 2019 09:32 AM (5Yee7)

53 I reread Churchill's "Painting As A Pastime". This long essay, written in the 1920s, doesn't deal with how to paint but why art and other hand-eye activities are so valuable to an individual. He's not saying try to become a great artist requiring years of practice and lessons. That's for the young. Churchill was 40 when he began painting. Some lessons are fine but don't get bogged down with them. Just get started for the enjoyment of the activity and don't worry about what anyone else thinks of your efforts. It's practical philosophy but done with Churchill's wit and wonderful writing skill. Seems I need to read it at least every year and it's a delight each time.

Most of my attempts are only suitable for taking up space in a landfill but I find the activity to be satisfying and absorbing. Reason enough to do it.

With that in mind, I'm looking through "Essential Techniques of Landscape Drawing" by Suzanne Brooker. When sketching I'm always drawn to landscapes and still lifes. This book gives some guidance on which strokes of a pen or pencil will achieve certain effects. It's a good starting point.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:32 AM (bmdz3)

54 Also finished the trilogy of A Discovery of Witches.

Not bad, lots of historical references.

Posted by: mpfs, Waiter, I'll have the Juan de Fuca Plate at June 23, 2019 09:33 AM (I7Wzx)

55 Barbara Hambly released a new James Asher book. Next on my list.

Posted by: mpfs, Waiter, I'll have the Juan de Fuca Plate at June 23, 2019 09:34 AM (I7Wzx)

56 48
This may be in the wrong place.



You were asking about spreadsheets and pointing out that everyone
doesn't have Excel. Why don't you put your data into OpenOffice or
LibreOffice? Just as powerful as Excel and available for pretty much
every OS. It's also free and can read/write Excel files.

Posted by: Michael Stamps at June 23, 2019 09:30 AM (bIQRl)

That's what I am using now for tracking temperatures outside and my weight, BP AND STUFF..

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 09:34 AM (mpXpK)

57 Maybe fitting for the gainz thread but vowed to read more this year and as halfway through it think I am doing better than expected.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 09:34 AM (BbGew)

58 "When it first became obvious to me that the MSM was basically a cabal of lying rat bastard commies, Acosta was still in grade school.
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I'm older. I looked up when that spawn of an ape and a warthog (anally conceived, without doubt) first afflicted the world. It was 1971. I'd been hating the commie rat bastard press since 1965.

BTW, I long ago learned not to click a "these pants" link. Last thing I need so early.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 09:35 AM (VaN/j)

59 Spent much of the past week getting over being sick, so my reading tended to old favorites rather than anything new. I re-read all of Fritz Lieber's Fafhrd & Gray Mouser stories. Great stuff.

Though really the most interesting part was Lieber's own introduction to one volume, which consisted of an intro written in the 1960s followed by a supplemental intro from a decade later -- in which he admitted he had neglected to mention how some of the gaps in his career were due to galloping alcoholism.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 09:35 AM (BpS6n)

60 "Members of the press have been so savaged by Trump and his propagandists in the media that journalists seem almost foreign or anti-American to his supporters"

**SEEM** anti-American? LOL

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 09:36 AM (FiUMj)

61 Lin-duh, I know what you mean. I was reading the latest in one of my old favorite fantasy authors, Patricia Briggs, and right around chapter two I get wokeness.
She used to keep ger perdonal politics out if her books so it's annoying.

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 23, 2019 09:36 AM (dm05u)

62 Books can indeed change one's life. One novel that changed mine was Red Storm Rising. I read that when I was 15 after reading The Hunt For Red October the week before. Once I read that, I knew and understood that there WAS good fiction out there and that I just needed to find it.

The reading got to the point where an English teacher (tried) to send home this note a year later:

"As an English teacher, I am delighted to see a student who likes to read, and before I met Catch, I firmly believed a person could never read too much - but Catch hurries through assignments, often doing a slipshod job, in order to get back to his novels. This is a problem."

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:36 AM (mEn6y)

63 52
I read Everything but the Flak by Martin Caidin. Published in
1964, it is the account of the trans-Atlantic flight of three B-17
bombers in 1961 for the filming of the movie, The War Lover. These guys
were lunatics (with extensive combat flying experience) and had quite a
few harrowing experiences before safely reaching England. A quick read
but the book is rather scarce and expensive. There is a photo from the
movie in which a B-17 is flying about 20 feet above the runway while
"beating up" the airfield. Rating = 4.0/5.0

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 23, 2019 09:32 AM (5Yee7)

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Reminds me of a book my grandmother owned - We Flew Without Guns, about Air Transport Command. I don't know how widely it was published, but she had the book because my grandfather knew the author.

It was about the air links across the Atlantic and over The Hump in the CBI theater. My grandfather was a navigator who logged 2,000 flight hours over the North and South Atlantic.

They flew unarmed bombers as cargo aircraft and the big danger was the trip itself. I have his charts and flight log.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 09:37 AM (cfSRQ)

64 46
Posted by: John F. MacMichael at June 23, 2019 09:29 AM (iuRR5)
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I've read some of those. Creature of the Twilight is a lot of fun. There is a terrific speech which is the oratorical equivalent of Peter Schickele's Quodlibet and Unbegun Symphony. Be prepared to hear things you've heard before.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 09:37 AM (VaN/j)

65 45 Oregon, do you mean to post a spreadsheet or email it around?
Posted by: VMom's phone at June 23, 2019 09:28 AM (dm05u


I was thinking more in terms of putting it somewhere on "The Cloud" where everyone who wanted to could access it.

I'd post a link to it.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 23, 2019 09:38 AM (9ioAf)

66 The psnts du jour are shiny!

Posted by: VMom's phone at June 23, 2019 09:39 AM (dm05u)

67 PARALEIPSIS - merciful heavens, this week's word is one with which I am actually familiar, for a change!

I mean, not that I coulda drugged it up from memory very easily, but it did ring the "oh yeah" bell.

Been twenty (or forty) years since adding new words* to my vocab came very easily. Took me ten years to get even the simple "neologism" solidified in mind. Still working on the "synecdoche." Then there's... um..

*And A♠ brings so many new words to its readers. (!!)

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for Invulnerable story at June 23, 2019 09:40 AM (/IMJl)

68 Rick Riordan's Percy Jackson series is pretty good, up to a point. There's a five-book series with Greek mythology characters, a five-book series with Roman mythology characters (Heroes of Olympus), then it goes off the rails with Norse mythology which includes gay and transgender characters written so hamhandedly that my daughter put down the book without finishing it. There's also a trilogy of Egyptian mythology books called The Kane Chronicles, and my kids liked those.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at June 23, 2019 09:40 AM (THS4q)

69 Also at NPR there is this

"President Trump has dismissed white nationalists as a "small group of people." He has retweeted white nationalist accounts. And there is little daylight between his anti-immigrant speeches and those of far-right extremists. White supremacist factions were spotted among the crowds cheering for Trump at his 2020 campaign kickoff rally in Florida this week."

What media bias?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 09:41 AM (FiUMj)

70 I am writing a short story in answer to the open call, for Science Fiction authors, for a book of short stories - that was linked on this site last week. The title of my story is Strange Attractor.

Posted by: An Observation at June 23, 2019 09:41 AM (8PNoo)

71 I finished a couple books this week. The first, The Risen by Ron Rash was a typically compelling read by him; at a point I just stopped my rotation of reading other books and concentrated solely on it until the end (it wasn't a long book). It was about two brothers, one a smart superstar and the narrator who became a drunk fuckup, growing up in the sticks and meeting a slutty girl during the hippie times who bangs their eyes out until she strangely disappears and then turns up murdered years later. The book is a slow explication of the narrator finding out just what happens.

The book was outstanding but I may have finally found a chink in Rash's armour. There's a malignant character in the book, the boys' grandfather, who is just as much of an evil fuck as the title character in Serena. In some ways he's even more effectively portrayed. But both antagonists have a hulking borderline retarded sidekick who does all their wet work. If Rash talked with me and gave a flying fuck about my opinion I'd tell him "you've gotta stop doing this".

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 23, 2019 09:42 AM (y7DUB)

72 Space mushroom spores, indeed.


Interesting kitchen stuff, Eris ! Thanks !


Found Pohl's Chernobyl book in a Little Free Libary during the week, haven't started it yet. Thx whoever mentioned it last week.


Yeah, I've known that the "news" organizations were liars since the 60's, grew up in a strong 2A home watching CBS (among others) pushing "gun control" with many of the same lies we hear today.
But for a long time I still thought that some of what they said was trustworthy. (cue Nelson Muntz).
The past decade or two has pretty much cured me of that, however.



Light reading of the week:
"I Rode With Jeb Stuart" by H. B. Mc Clellan, on the Kindle; one of those 99 cent old history books they have so many of.
Interesting perspective, from Gen. Stuart's adjutant.

"Isle of the Dead" by Roger Zelazny, a re-read.



Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 23, 2019 09:42 AM (ITxGy)

73 I'm continuing with "A Pilgrim's Journey" by Mark A. Baker mentioned last week. It's history and practice combined. I added Nessmuk's "Woodcraft and Camping" for the same reasons. Nessmuk (George Washington Sears) wrote about his camping and canoing trips in the late-ish 1800s. His approach and designs for what is practical and valuable for these ventures is still influential. It's enjoyable reading.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:43 AM (bmdz3)

74 Good Sunday morning, horde!

Societies with witch doctors--> good. Truly a glimpse into a lot of progs' minds, I bet.
Posted by: jmel at June 23, 2019 09:14 AM (OeWgo)


Yeah, and they are invariably the sciency science lovers who say religious people are backward.

Posted by: April at June 23, 2019 09:43 AM (OX9vb)

75 More from NPR: not at all enemies of the people. And totally super duper American and patriotic and stuff!!

"Art Jipson, a professor at the University of Dayton, said this was made clear to him during a recent video conference with a State Department official who used terms Jipson had never encountered in his nearly three decades of studying homegrown extremists. "Anarcho-Marxist violent revolutionaries," Jipson said, laughing. "And then they started using terms like Islamo-terrorism and anarchic Islamic terrorist organizations and networks. I don't even know what that means!"

This guy is an "expert" and has never herd the term Islami-terrorism? And NPR is a supposed news organization and doesn't question the fact an "expert" doesn't know what Islamo-terrorism is.

Fuck you NPR. Fuck you CNN. Fuck you enemies of the people.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 09:44 AM (FiUMj)

76 Test

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 23, 2019 09:44 AM (vV/gB)

77 One benefit from the Percy Jackson series was that my kids then read one
of my old books called "Minute Myths" by Marie Schubert.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at June 23, 2019 09:45 AM (THS4q)

78
"President Trump has dismissed white nationalists as a "small group of people." He has retweeted white nationalist accounts. And there is little daylight between his anti-immigrant speeches and those of far-right extremists. White supremacist factions were spotted among the crowds cheering for Trump at his 2020 campaign kickoff rally in Florida this week."



Any mention of Obama and Farrakhan?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 09:46 AM (oVJmc)

79 She used to keep her personal politics out if her books so it's annoying.
Posted by: VMom's phone at June 23, 2019 09:36 AM (dm05u)
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This is a shame, I loved her Mercy Thompson books.

Is it latent and I never sensed it, or are they compelled to declare their orthodoxy just to get published?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:47 AM (kQs4Y)

80 25: I hear ya. Fortunately I have come nowhere close to exhausting classics and vintage books. I take my disgust for libs into the marketplace daily, and when it's an etsy seller or a pattern "designer", I check them out on FB, if there's a lib vibe among the posts, I look elsewhere.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 09:47 AM (U7k5w)

81 Good morning!

Let's smile and be happy and strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 23, 2019 09:48 AM (u82oZ)

82 Lots of recs for The Powers of the Earth by Travis Corcoran so I had a really long flight and thought this would be a great time to try the book. Really liked it- thought it could have been edited down by a hundred pages or so. Strong characters, well developed plot.

Posted by: Charlotte at June 23, 2019 09:48 AM (2SSYa)

83 In the midst of Chesapeake. Enjoyable read.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 23, 2019 09:49 AM (vV/gB)

84 I just started re-reading RA Salvatore "Homeland" and will continue throughout the entire Drizzt series. Brushing up on my Illithid lore. Looks like it might come in handy when BG III is released.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 09:50 AM (DB16e)

85 Still reading The Cultural Revolution by Frank Dikotter, as I lack a good book on the subject outside what I read in The Black Book Of Communism. Also still taking swipes at Unfreedom of the Press by Mark Levin. They would go by much faster if life wasn't so much in flux at the moment, but there you go.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:50 AM (mEn6y)

86 The MSM's mission is clear. From now until election day, every article about Trump will include the words white nationalist.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 09:50 AM (FiUMj)

87 So trip back to used book store, maybe for later Sharpe series book this week.
Exchange with clerk last week
Clerk - " You know you can sell books back here"
Me - I wouldn't buy them if I didn't want them"

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 09:51 AM (BbGew)

88 31 OM:

OpenOffice and LibreOffice are open-source versions of the familiar Microsponge product, available for free at their respective dot-orgs.

Either will open an Excel spreadsheet, and perform all the usual functions.


I vote for no cloud, and no Google involvement.

I second that emotion.

Posted by: Catherine in MO at June 23, 2019 09:51 AM (z+fMz)

89 Any mention of Obama and Farrakhan?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 23, 2019 09:46 AM (oVJmc)

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We know this Obama fellow you speak of. But Fara-who-now?
- MSM

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 23, 2019 09:51 AM (FiUMj)

90 I had read The Invention That Changed the World: How a Small Group of Radar Pioneers Won the Second World War and Launched a Technical Revolution by Robert Buderi and recommended it a while back.

Get the Hardcover. For someone who used radar as part of his job, it is a foundational book. It is light on theory and heavy on translating an idea into a reality.

It is also about how America's industrial prowess was harnessed in WWII to make the large numbers needed to win the war. And it was a war winner. The Germans and Japan had radar, but not enough units. The wizard war is a larger topic, dealt with in other books.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 23, 2019 09:53 AM (u82oZ)

91 Read Christopher Moore's Lust Lizard of Meloncholy Cove yesterday. Haven't read it in a few years. Laughed so hard I couldn't read because of streaming tears. Gawd, that guy is freakin' funny!

Posted by: Russkilitlover at June 23, 2019 09:53 AM (99Nt9)

92 A follow up to my recommendation for the fiction of Russell Kirk (above at #46): I just noticed on Amazon that there is a new paperback edition of his novel "Old House of Fear" coming out in October.

Now keeping my fingers crossed that Kirk's other novels and his short stories will also be brought back in current print and e-editions.

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at June 23, 2019 09:54 AM (iuRR5)

93 Wokeness in SF/Fantasy is nothing new, though in the past it was at least less monolithic. I mentioned re-reading Fritz Lieber -- one of his tales (pretty good one, too) is "Bazaar of the Bizarre" about a sinister magical shop whose wares appear wonderful but are actually vile. Fine and good, but Fritz does go on about two paragraphs too long about how awful the forces behind the shop are. See, they make you buy stuff and they get rich off it. Just like advertising!

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 09:54 AM (BpS6n)

94 Brushing up on my Illithid lore. Looks like it might come in handy when BG III is released.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 09:50 AM (DB16e)


Ugh, I hate illithids. Is it ok to say that? Is hate too strong?

*sigh*

OK I don't HATE illithids. I just wouldn't want my sister marrying some mind-flayer is all.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:54 AM (t+qrx)

95 I made a modified, limited recommendation for children's book of the Alex Rider series by Anthony Horowitz based solely on my enjoyment of his adult works. I decided to read the first series, Stormbreaker, so that I'd know what I was talking about.

It was OK but didn't knock me out. Written for readers from 10 to 12 years of age, it's about a 14 year old drafted into spying on mysterious billionaire who wants to donate his Stormbreaker super computers to schools all over Britain. Alex' spy uncle and guardian was killed while investigating the billionaire and Alex reveals skills in investigating his uncle's death that cause his employers to accept Alex as a replacement to continue his uncle's mission. It's very James Bondy. Of course, adults have to take all of this with a huge grain of salt but I imagine 10 to 12 year old boys would enjoy and there is nothing offensive in it (other than James Bond-style violence).

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 09:55 AM (+y/Ru)

96 Open Office is a good choice as a free replacement for Microsoft Office. It is a very large file download. A simpler solution Is download the free version of doPDF. I have used it to convert both Word and Excel files to PDF's. It installs as a dummy printer so you select the Excel file and print it using doPDF which creates a PDF version of the file. I store the resulting file in my Documents folder.

Posted by: Biaggio Rinaldi at June 23, 2019 09:55 AM (D/t3S)

97 Home.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts and pre-order Crystal Embers today! at June 23, 2019 09:57 AM (cd2Ve)

98 Read Christopher Moore's Lust Lizard of Meloncholy Cove yesterday.
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Terrific read. The image of the giant critter humping the sign is emblazoned on my cortex. And I loved the aging scream queen.

This needs to be made into a movie. Heck, all his books do.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:57 AM (kQs4Y)

99 57 Maybe fitting for the gainz thread but vowed to read more this year and as halfway through it think I am doing better than expected.
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 09:34 AM (BbGew)

I am way behind my goal of 52 books this year. Like lin-duh, I just can't seem to find anything that holds my interest lately. I don't suppose it helps that we have two puppies in the house--my concentration level is way down!

Posted by: April at June 23, 2019 09:57 AM (OX9vb)

100 I suggest making the spreadsheet a .csv (comma separated variables) format file without links. If you have to be computer literate to access the file, you can figure out how to search for the book. Plenty of open source programs can read .csv files.

The photo meme at the end is SO true and funny! Mrs Cop is not a bibliophile but she reads quite a lot: either professional literature or romance/trash intellectual bubblegum. She doesn't grok the concept of keeping books but she tolerates my private library.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 23, 2019 09:58 AM (5Yee7)

101 Oops, I mean "humps an oil truck".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 09:59 AM (kQs4Y)

102 Book nerds!

Posted by: Ogre at June 23, 2019 09:59 AM (t6MX/)

103 The second book I finished this week was Nabokov's The Defense, the story of an unhappy kid who discovers chess which then becomes an obsessive part of his life until he has a complete meltdown during a key match. The shrinks tell him he has to give chess up to have a normal life and he gives a good faith effort to restart his life from scratch with a very devoted wife, but the itch for chess is still there and reliving that last match keeps intruding despite his best efforts to keep it at bay. The title refers to what he was doing in the match and what he's doing in real life.

This was an early masterpiece by Nabokov which is highly recommended. I know some readers don't like him for whatever reason but he hits all the right notes for me.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 23, 2019 09:59 AM (y7DUB)

104 Finished Omaha Beach: A Flawed Victory by Adrian R. Lewis.

This is not a retelling of the fighting. It is primarily how the planning process for this specific amphibious invasion worked. It is great on people, ideas, doctrine, and how some famous Generals got it wrong. Very well researched.

I found his analysis spot-on, if a bit repetitive. He hints at the key decision to make it all work at Omaha, and does name those names. (In a lecture on this by him at the Eisenhower Presidential Library, my question was on that key operational decision -- to keep feeding troops into the battle, and bring the DDs in close for NGFS).

The fighting men had to redeem the planner's failures. Hence all the casualties.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 23, 2019 10:01 AM (u82oZ)

105 Brushing up on my Illithid lore. Looks like it might come in handy when BG III is released.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 09:50 AM (DB16e)
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I read this as "when RBG III is released". Is that the new liquid metal prototype?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 10:01 AM (kQs4Y)

106 Probably Lieber's wokest book was an SF novel called "A Specter is Haunting Texas" -- which is basically a book-length shriek of mid-Sixties Yankee horror that Texans have wealth and power and don't think what the New York Times tells them to think.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:01 AM (BpS6n)

107 BGIII?

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:02 AM (BpS6n)

108 Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:54 AM (t+qrx)
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I don't know that you have to hate a favored enemy but there are few more deserving, I suppose.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 10:02 AM (DB16e)

109 This Thread reached peak 'pants' with Hillary!'s pants photo.

There's comfort in knowing that one can click on the pants link and not face that level of Lovecraftian horror again.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 10:02 AM (DMUuz)

110 On deck, Operation Sea Lion: The Projected Invasion of England in 1940 by Peter Fleming.

The other side of WWII invasions.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 23, 2019 10:03 AM (u82oZ)

111 103 The second book I finished this week was Nabokov's The Defense, the story of an unhappy kid who discovers chess which then becomes an obsessive part of his life until he has a complete meltdown during a key match.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 23, 2019 09:59 AM (y7DUB)
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That reminds me of something I've often thought of before reading the book thread. I'm rarely here PM Saturdays, so I'll mention it now: When did cute girls take up chess? Wasn't so in the 60s, that's for sure.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:04 AM (VaN/j)

112 The other shocking thing I learned was hanging isn't the quick execution I was led to believe.



Not if the neck doesn't break.
Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:05 AM (b084x)


There is an old saying that if you have friends they will swing on your heels.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 10:04 AM (hSQmw)

113 Probably Lieber's wokest book was an SF novel called "A Specter is Haunting Texas" -- which is basically a book-length shriek of mid-Sixties Yankee horror that Texans have wealth and power and don't think what the New York Times tells them to think.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:01 AM (BpS6n)

Yep, read it decades ago and that one is a real stinker. As I remember, the Texans make the noble Mexicans into peons.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 23, 2019 10:04 AM (5Yee7)

114 To Trimegistus @93 above: I agree entirely about Leiber's message marring the story in "Bazaar of the Bizarre". That series is interesting to look at as a whole because Leiber wrote them over a span of about fifty years (from the late 1930s up to the late '80s, IIRC) and they reflect changes in his skills as a writer and his life. Myself, I think the best in the series (which, in my not so humble opinion, are classics) are those of what I think of as the middle period. These are the ones collected "Swords in the Mist", "Swords Against Wizardry" and "The Swords of Lankhmar".

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at June 23, 2019 10:05 AM (iuRR5)

115
So0, books for kids-

I went to London back in the 90's and there was a series that was universally hailed and that grabbed young readers, especially boys.

This series was "Harry Potter". The first two novels were in paperback and it had not yet crossed the Atlantic to the US at that time.

I scanned it and judged it fit for the kiddos, and bought them home...

Holy Cow! The eldest just blazed through both books and could hardly wait for the third to come out. (I bought it from an overseas bookseller.)

Yes, yes, I know - but Harry Potter, at least, initially started out as a cracking good adventure book for boys.

Secondus, though perhaps a bit young, blazed through it given the eldest's recommendation.

So, an obvious choice there.

The books they liked best were:

The Redwall series

The "Goosebumps" series

"A Wrinkle in Time" series

The "Hobbit"

"Lord of the Rings"

These were the days where they were forcing kids to read crapola like "Sarah Big and Tall" which bored boys to tears.

Adventure style books are what kept them reading.

I tried the classics, "Kim", "{Treasure Island", etc but those didn't grab them the same way.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 23, 2019 10:06 AM (PhPlm)

116 I read somewhere that Fritz Leiber had a lot of guilt being German, maybe that's why he overcompensated.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 10:06 AM (kQs4Y)

117 Recalls the small group of scientists whose invention of radar during World War II contributed to the Allied victory, as well as chronicling their significant post-war achievements.

The technology that was created to win World War Ii (radar) has revolutionized the modern world. This is the story of the inventors and their inventions.

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I can't remember the name of it but I saw a movie about this on Prime or Netflix. I'll see if I can find it...

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 10:06 AM (cF8AT)

118 Li'l Chrissy Hayes is all upset that everybody is ignoring the E. E. Jean is not my lover story.

Chris Hayes
@chrislhayes
Call me crazy, but President Accused of Rape By Well Known Writer seems like the very definition of news? It's somewhat odd to me that it is not being covered in many places.

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You've been to the false-sex-assault-allegation well once too often. P.S. Same is true of the fake-hate-crime well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 10:06 AM (+y/Ru)

119 This was an early masterpiece by Nabokov which is
highly recommended. I know some readers don't like him for whatever
reason but he hits all the right notes for me.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 23, 2019 09:59 AM (y7DUB)

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My father is a huge fan of Nabokov. I should probably read him more so we can talk about it.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:06 AM (cfSRQ)

120 107 BGIII?
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Baldur's Gate III PC game series based in the Forgotten Realms. I'm a nerdy nerd. Been reading FR books since the 80's.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at June 23, 2019 10:07 AM (DB16e)

121 That's where dipthongs come from.
Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:16 AM (b084x)


every vowel wants a piece of Ash.

(Aesc if you want to go full Saxon)

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 10:08 AM (hSQmw)

122 Those pants are fine. I would wear them to barbecue in my backyard.

Posted by: guy with a pantload at June 23, 2019 10:08 AM (UdKB7)

123 My original spreadsheets were all from Office 2000. When I went to load my Office 2000 disk on my new computer it would not load because it was an "upgrade" for my old windows 97 program which I no longer had. That's when I down loaded open office and converted them. I don't remember how big the download is but the site says it uses 440MB of disk space.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 10:08 AM (mpXpK)

124 Found it...'Castles in the Sky'. BBC.

"It is the mid-1930s and the storm clouds of WWII are forming in Germany. This film charts the work of Robert Watson Watt, the pioneer of Radar, and his hand-picked team of eccentric yet brilliant meteorologists as they struggle to turn the concept of Radar into a workable reality. Hamstrung by a tiny budget, seemingly insurmountable technical problems and even a spy in the camp, Watson Watt also has to deal with marital problems as he chases his dream. "

It was pretty well done.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 10:10 AM (cF8AT)

125 Russkilitlover, I like Christopher Moore, too. Haven't read any of his for a few years, but he's very funny. Seemed like he started going full prog in something I was reading and I abandoned him.

I really, really loved "Lamb," though. It's a novel about Christ between birth and saving the world, and his best friend Biff. It's irreverent in a reverent sort of way.

Also, do you prefer old Russki lit, or modern? If modern, do you have any good recommendations?

Posted by: April at June 23, 2019 10:10 AM (OX9vb)

126 And BTW, another reason for downloading open office is Windows 10 will not run Microsoft Word 2000.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 10:10 AM (mpXpK)

127 On deck, Operation Sea Lion: The Projected Invasion of England in 1940 by Peter Fleming.

The other side of WWII invasions.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 23, 2019 10:03 AM (u82oZ)


I'd be interested to hear if he thought it was plausible - looks like it was written in 1957?

It probably looked a lot more terrifying before and during the Battle of Britain, but modern consensus is that Germany couldn't have come anywhere close to pulling off an amphibious invasion for numerous reasons.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:11 AM (t+qrx)

128 "These were the days where they were forcing kids to read crapola like "Sarah Big and Tall" which bored boys to tears."

Back in the day I used to peruse the Scholastic Book Orders (remember those from school? Are they still done?) and I was strictly limited to three books per book order. I wound up getting a lot of reference books. I got my first almanac this way. I didn't dare touch the fiction because about 99% of it was aimed at girls, with themes I found to be very boring.

Looking back on it I truly believe the schools were out to destroy my budding desire to read. They failed, as the library I have today can attest.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 10:11 AM (mEn6y)

129 One reason the Brits have always been unusually afraid of invasion is that there's basically no defensible terrain between the Channel and London. If you can get ashore, you've won.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:12 AM (BpS6n)

130 Speaking of reading, apparently North Korean media has released a picture of Chairman Kim intently reading a personal letter from President Trump, which is described as having "excellent content."

Interesting that they'd put that out there.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:13 AM (cfSRQ)

131 I went to London back in the 90's and there was a series that was universally hailed and that grabbed young readers, especially boys.

This series was "Harry Potter". The first two novels were in paperback and it had not yet crossed the Atlantic to the US at that time.

I scanned it and judged it fit for the kiddos, and bought them home...

Holy Cow! The eldest just blazed through both books and could hardly wait for the third to come out. (I bought it from an overseas bookseller.)

Yes, yes, I know - but Harry Potter, at least, initially started out as a cracking good adventure book for boys.

Secondus, though perhaps a bit young, blazed through it given the eldest's recommendation.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 23, 2019 10:06 AM (PhPlm)


The first couple of Harry Potter books are a lot of fun then Rowling decided that she was "woke before woke was cool" and turned into dark $sh!t storms. I think Rowling secretly hates the fans that have made her fabulously wealthy.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 23, 2019 10:13 AM (5Yee7)

132 One reason I no longer read fiction by living authors is the political s**t others have mentioned. But it does make me wonder, how will that read in the future?

Sometimes old politics can have a certain charm; GKC pulled it off, at least for me. But I once read a novel, The Green Knife, by Anthony Wynne. (20s, I think, or 30s.) It had two big flaws. One was that it was a not-very good locked room murder (or maybe Carr has spoiled me.) Well set up, but not we executed.

The other was a somewhat Distributist sounding economic message he kept harping on. Now, I can take that from the Chesterbelloc, but he just hammered in his views, crudely and with near SJW lack of subtlety. The only pleasure it gave was the unintentional humor of some of his ideas. A key plot element is that a magnate can alter the world economy simply by putting a lot of gold on a ship, and moving it to a different country. Not sell, or anything like that; just the fact that the ship is now anchored in Cherbourg or Hamburg is enough.

I do recall Conan Doyle sometimes putting in some political/social points. I wonder if any of today's crap will be read at all in the future, other than by diagnosticians of our decline.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:13 AM (VaN/j)

133 "Sarah Big and Tall" sounds like a chain of plus-size clothing stores.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:13 AM (BpS6n)

134 This week's reading consisted of finishing Monster Hunter Siege, a book I started during my last plane trip and then put aside for a couple of months. I like the series, but this one was sorta meh. I'm hoping Correia brings back Agent Franks for the next one. Now to move on to something a bit more substantive. I have Musashi waiting on the bookcase; maybe I'll pick that one.

Posted by: PabloD at June 23, 2019 10:14 AM (44Vke)

135 I think it is occurring to me, another reason I don't want to read fiction these days is because we are, intentionally I believe, blurring the lines between fact and fiction, as a society.

This latest nonsense, about the chick writer, who want to cash in on her encounter with Trump, we are a people who are losing our ability to tell the difference between truth, as backed up with evidence, and fiction, which is spurred on by how people feel about things.

Fiction also has the unfortunate advantage of being exciting, whereas reality is much more often, boring. So people gravitate toward fiction.

I don't know, everywhere I look I see signs of civilization's collapse, but heck, maybe that's just me being overly dramatic, and I'm avoiding the evidence that shows the boring old status quo continues, unrelentingly onward.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2019 10:15 AM (cY3LT)

136 If you can get ashore, you've won.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:12 AM (BpS6n)


Unless your troops are used to eating food and shooting guns. Then you have to keep them in supply.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:15 AM (t+qrx)

137 I'd be interested to hear if he thought it was plausible - looks like it was written in 1957?



It probably looked a lot more terrifying before and during the
Battle of Britain, but modern consensus is that Germany couldn't have
come anywhere close to pulling off an amphibious invasion for numerous
reasons.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:11 AM (t+qrx)

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There was a big wargame to study this in the 70s, with veterans serving as the umpires.

They concluded it would have failed in the face of British seapower. The Germans could get ashore, but not support their troops.

Which makes total sense.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:16 AM (cfSRQ)

138 Speaking of reading, apparently North Korean media has released a picture of Chairman Kim intently reading a personal letter from President Trump, which is described as having "excellent content."
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:13 AM (cfSRQ)


...but everybody skips right to the comments.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:16 AM (t+qrx)

139 I find Chesterton gets tiresome the more political/religious he gets. He has a bad habit of making the people with The Wrong Opinions into caricatures rather than characters.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:16 AM (BpS6n)

140 112 The other shocking thing I learned was hanging isn't the quick execution I was led to believe.



Not if the neck doesn't break.
Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:05 AM (b084x)

There is an old saying that if you have friends they will swing on your heels.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 10:04 AM (hSQmw)
_________

The best scene (interpolated) in the Wallace Beery version of Treasure Island is built around that.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:17 AM (VaN/j)

141 127 hogmartin

i'll report on that in a future book thread.

I read this as a callow youth, without knowledge. ISTR he said it was not possible, because of the RN. But I can read it now with knowledge.

Certainly the British and Empire forces would have been hard-pressed to defeat a well-supplied and active Wehrmacht on British soil.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 23, 2019 10:18 AM (u82oZ)

142 BurtTC - Oh, rest assured, it's collapsing. It turns out that collapse IS the status quo, after enough time has elapsed. It's just a matter of how much time, for each given civilization.

Posted by: PabloD at June 23, 2019 10:19 AM (44Vke)

143 Especially in SF and fantasy, obvious nods to Current Year political/social issues are story-ruiners for me. Now, I don't mean stories which are set in and around current events, but rather stories taking place a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past which nevertheless have to stop and say hurray for gay marriage, or legalized weed, or whatever. Bounces me right out.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:20 AM (BpS6n)

144 "They concluded it would have failed in the face of British seapower. The Germans could get ashore, but not support their troops.

"Which makes total sense." - A.H. Lloyd

Indeed. Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.

Sure, I suppose you can reach London and "win", but there is more to Great Britain than that. You'd have to keep pushing onward to truly defeat the British, and that would require a sustainment of operations that I don't think the Germans would have been capable of, especially given the fact that they put all their naval eggs into the U-boat basket with few exceptions.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 10:20 AM (mEn6y)

145 Laffer gets Pres Medal of Freedom

https://www.nysun.com/editorials/the-medal-of-freedom-in-economics/90739/

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 23, 2019 10:21 AM (JFO2v)

146 Eris, since you love illustration, comics and graphic novels, AND you linked me to wonderful stuff, have you seen this online compendium from Labiek?

The Comiclopedia

https://www.lambiek.net/comiclopedia.html

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 10:21 AM (hSQmw)

147 112 The other shocking thing I learned was hanging isn't the quick execution I was led to believe.

There is also an excellent scene on this in Stephenson's The System of the World, in which there are young boys who hang around the gallows and for a few pence will jump up and grab your legs to speed things up.

Payment up front.

Posted by: motionview at June 23, 2019 10:21 AM (pYQR/)

148 137 I'd be interested to hear if he thought it was plausible - looks like it was written in 1957?



It probably looked a lot more terrifying before and during the
Battle of Britain, but modern consensus is that Germany couldn't have
come anywhere close to pulling off an amphibious invasion for numerous
reasons.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:11 AM (t+qrx)

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There was a big wargame to study this in the 70s, with veterans serving as the umpires.

They concluded it would have failed in the face of British seapower. The Germans could get ashore, but not support their troops.

Which makes total sense.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:16 AM (cfSRQ)
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Which is exactly what Raeder told them. The navy really hated every idea the army came up with. Already grossly outnumbered, they'd been really hit in the Norway campaign, which for the fleet was a Pyhrric victory. (And the LW had already sunk two of their destroyers before that. If the Italians had done that, it would be famous, but it doesn't fit the "Germans can do anything" narrative.)

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:21 AM (VaN/j)

149 The second book I finished this week was Nabokov's The Defense, the story of an unhappy kid who discovers chess which then becomes an obsessive part of his life until he has a complete meltdown during a key match. The shrinks tell him he has to give chess up to have a normal life and he gives a good faith effort to restart his life from scratch with a very devoted wife, but the itch for chess is still there and reliving that last match keeps intruding despite his best efforts to keep it at bay. The title refers to what he was doing in the match and what he's doing in real life.

This was an early masterpiece by Nabokov which is highly recommended. I know some readers don't like him for whatever reason but he hits all the right notes for me.
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 23, 2019 09:59 AM (y7DUB)



I did the same thing with Nabokov during my college years.

I loved most of his books. Big influence on my writing in that I learned that it's okay to play games with the reader. It make-a da reading-a fun.

Probably, should re-read his oeuvre again to see if I get something different from him than young naturalfake did.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 23, 2019 10:22 AM (PhPlm)

150 While Open Office IS the best all round solution.. being free.. microsoft has something called "Excel Viewer".. it is available on Android App Store, Apple store and Microsoft store.
That is by far the "lightest" solution.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 23, 2019 10:22 AM (438dO)

151 The indefensibility of their island is why the British always did have to maintain sea control.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:22 AM (BpS6n)

152 Certainly the British and Empire forces would have been hard-pressed to defeat a well-supplied and active Wehrmacht on British soil.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 23, 2019 10:18 AM (u82oZ)


Undoubtedly; as Trimegistus said, there isn't much geography to get in the way. But I think consensus is against them being well-supplied or active past the first few hours.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:22 AM (t+qrx)

153 Well, there's about a half inch of global warming sitting on my front porch this morning. This was not the year to try to expand my flower garden.

I received a kindle paperwhite as a gift recently, and fired it up earlier in the week. This might be a good to actually read something on it. Some cheap indy novels....Or I may just read more Savage Sword of Conan comics. Good old back-and-white pulpy goodness....

Posted by: Castle Guy at June 23, 2019 10:24 AM (Lhaco)

154 Sure, I suppose you can reach London and "win", but there is more to Great Britain than that.

-
Napoleon got to Moscow and won.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 10:24 AM (+y/Ru)

155 ...but everybody skips right to the comments.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:16 AM


Not me. I only read the content.

Posted by: One of the weirdos at June 23, 2019 10:25 AM (DMUuz)

156 This is a shame, I loved her Mercy Thompson books.

Is it latent and I never sensed it, or are they compelled to declare their orthodoxy just to get published?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes

==

a good question
in her latest Mercy Thompson, she throws in a gratuitous "bigot cop giving family of color some attitude" but it's got nothing to do with the plot and just an opportunity for Mercy to do some virtue signalling




Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:25 AM (dm05u)

157 The Comiclopedia

https://www.lambiek.net/comiclopedia.html
Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 10:21 AM (hSQmw)
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Whoa.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 23, 2019 10:25 AM (kQs4Y)

158 Nothing much in progress to report, readingwise: nearly done with Sarah Hoyt's "Death of a Musketeer" which is her retelling of the Dumas adventure, and about halfway in to Peter Lovesey's "Bertie and the 7 Bodies"...
Serious research this week into the slave market district of Richmond in the 1850ies, though. Some very curious facts and observations about the wholesale and retail slave trade... (this is for my next book, BTW.)

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at June 23, 2019 10:26 AM (xnmPy)

159 IMO, the only way Germany could have "won" Sea Lion is if they could have drawn enough destroyers and other light craft into bomber range, and sunk enough to give the subs a heavy edge in the Atlantic.

But I don't think they could. The RN would have mostly operated at night - people forget that they matched the Japanese in their emphasis on that. And the distances were close enough that would have been enough. Assuming they could successfully invade, which is questionable if you compare what they were working on with what we used for D-Day. And remember that the season was working against them.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:27 AM (VaN/j)

160 I do audiobooks because I stay at home with my Son.

The SPELLMONGER series is very good, has some good humor. It has some political intrigue along with a crazy Goblin who is dead and had his head preserved in some magic crystal and is exacting revenge on Humans. The Gods do appear and meddle in the affairs. The books are up to 10.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at June 23, 2019 10:27 AM (dKiJG)

161 Indeed. Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.



Sure, I suppose you can reach London and "win", but there is more to
Great Britain than that. You'd have to keep pushing onward to truly
defeat the British, and that would require a sustainment of operations
that I don't think the Germans would have been capable of, especially
given the fact that they put all their naval eggs into the U-boat basket
with few exceptions.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 10:20 AM (mEn6y)

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London would have been Stalingrad on steroids. At the time it was the largest city on earth. The Germans figured they'd have to encircle it, but that's a pretty wide sweep for an army with no fuel or spare ammunition.

That's why books that focus on tactical problems (like D-Day) kind of bore me. Planners can't cover that level of detail, all they can do is send what they hope is enough stuff to get the job done. It's the on-scene commanders who have to find the key to the local position.

And that key will be worthless without guaranteed reinforcements and supplies. If you are trying to maintain a beachhead by running barges in the dark, well we saw how that worked in Guadalcanal.

The big difference was the Japanese actually had a navy. Germany didn't.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:27 AM (cfSRQ)

162 ADM Raeder was the best strategist the Germans had in WWII. He had a milder personality, so he could not convince others that were cray-cray in the German high command.

Certainly his Malta invasion plan was sound, and would have helped Rommel a lot.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 23, 2019 10:27 AM (u82oZ)

163 So . . . do we just notice Progressive propagandizing in fiction more easily, or do liberals actually do more of it when they write?

. . . Or do out-and-proud conservatives just get rejected by publishers?

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:29 AM (BpS6n)

164 The RN would have mostly operated at night
Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:27 AM (VaN/j)


...mostly.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:29 AM (t+qrx)

165 BOOK NERDS!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:31 AM (NWiLs)

166 If you look at RN fleet positions in 1940, there was more than enough force to isolate the Germans that even managed to land.

it does not go well for the Germans.

Well, we are all in agreement.

Time for chores.

Have a great day, everyone.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 23, 2019 10:32 AM (u82oZ)

167 I watched The Ghost Writer last night, the movie version of The Ghost, written by BBC reporter Robert Harris. It is a "thinly veiled" portrayal of Tony Blair apparently, who they paint as an American/CIA toady (but make the character appear to be unaware that he was being "handled" by the CIA from college days).


The media is heroic of course, in the movie, as they find "Blair" was complicit in war crimes (waterboarding torture by America/CIA). Polanksi directed (2010) ... surprising he still works (born 1933) ... those 75+ year old leftists still causing trouble.


An accurate part of the movie (it seems) is that the CIA murders anyone that finds out their (globalist) secrets, but it does not convey any of the globalist (anti-American) nature of the CIA (and some of their complicit friends in other governments). The book of course lauds the (globalist) International Criminal Court ... whose authority the US does not recognize (which the author, naturally, condemns, while holding the Brits as mostly virtuous).


We have globalists everywhere, Brennan/Kerry/Macron/May/Merkel/Cameron/+1000. And it appears part of the ICE stand down was due to Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan sabotaging the effort with (criminal) leaks of details on which cities. The movie is more globalist propaganda, from what I can tell. But it does (accurately?) portray the CIA as grooming prospects in college, opening their paths to power, and handling them through life (e.g. Brennan/Comey/Obama/Clintons?)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2019 10:33 AM (Cus5s)

168 So I've finally gotten around to working on The Brothers Karamazov. It's...weird.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:33 AM (NWiLs)

169 The big difference was the Japanese actually had a navy. Germany didn't.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:27 AM


IIRC, The German Navy presented two plans ~1937, around building sufficient ships.

Plan A, a surface Navy that could go scupper-to-scupper would be ready in the early '50s.

Plan B, using U-Boats, would be ready ~1946-47.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 10:34 AM (DMUuz)

170 I can second the recommendation for The Invention That Changed The World, with the caveat that any wireless invention whose inventor had any MIT connection is depicted as being a direct result of MIT. That over-boosterism aside, it's a great historical account of the fascinating development of radar.

This week, I finished Karl Gallagher's Lost War and Lost War Reveled while attending Boy Scout Camp. Warning - do not read these books if you will need to walk a quarter mile to the latrine through a dark and misty forest.

Also read Declan Finn's latest St. Tommy supernatural thriller, Crusader. The series, now five in number, keeps getting better and better with thoughtful ties into current political and social events. Start with Book 1 - Hell Spawn, and keep reading.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at June 23, 2019 10:35 AM (FXjhj)

171 So I've finally gotten around to working on The Brothers Karamazov.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:33 AM


Is there nothing Nurse can't do?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 10:35 AM (DMUuz)

172 163
So . . . do we just notice Progressive propagandizing in fiction more
easily, or do liberals actually do more of it when they write?



. . . Or do out-and-proud conservatives just get rejected by publishers?

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:29 AM (BpS6n)

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I think the biggest thing is that they've gotten so over the top about it.

It's not enough to just have a villain or something, now it's OMG NAZIS!!!1! about everything.

A parallel development is the end of forgiveness as a concept. There is none. Once you're judged impure, you're done.

So story arcs about people who grow or are complex (like a racist who nevertheless helps minorities out of a shared sense of humanity) aren't interesting to these people.

I watched "Glory" a while back, and the way the 54th earned the respect of the white troops would be unthinkable in today's Hollywood.

There is no redemption, only condemnation.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:35 AM (cfSRQ)

173 153 I received a kindle paperwhite as a gift recently,
and fired it up earlier in the week. This might be a good to actually
read something on it. Some cheap indy novels....Or I may just read more
Savage Sword of Conan comics. Good old back-and-white pulpy
goodness....

Posted by: Castle Guy at June 23, 2019 10:24 AM (Lhaco)


Go over to Gutenberg and download old stuff for free.

Gutenberg

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 10:35 AM (mpXpK)

174 I'm sure it looked different in 1940. The Nazis had just done the impossible and conquered France in a few weeks. Why not another impossible thing achieved?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 10:36 AM (+y/Ru)

175 Covertly implying or drawing attention to something by ostensibly avoiding all mention of it is called PARALEIPSIS.

And covertly hiding something like the Obama/Clinton Coup Attempt by avoiding all mention of it is called REPORTING.

Or just LYING.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 23, 2019 10:36 AM (Ndje9)

176 The first couple of Harry Potter books are a lot of fun then Rowling decided that she was "woke before woke was cool" and turned into dark $sh!t storms. I think Rowling secretly hates the fans that have made her fabulously wealthy.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 23, 2019 10:13 AM (5Yee7)

I just saw the latest Rowling adult mystery (under her alias Robert Galbraith) on the "withdrawn and for sale for a buck" bin at the local library, which means it must not gave circulated last year.

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:36 AM (dm05u)

177 One fairly recent (post WWII) writer was was remarkably even handed about politics was Michael Gilbert, the Brit mystery writer. If you just read one of his books, you might decide he was left, or he was right. Read several, and you'll be confused, as I was. Anyone could be the good guy. And he touches on politics often.

Turns out he was the Tory party's solicitor in Maggie's day. I should have seen that. Could any leftist portray conservatives favorably? I'm not sure even Orwell could.

One I'd recommend for today is Flash Point, which is a portrayal of the Deep State at work. Labour is scum, but hard-core real Communists prove helpful. Another is The Queen Against Karl Mullen, which is, mirabile dictu, even handed about apartheid.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:36 AM (VaN/j)

178 That was a link I guess Pixy ate the link.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 10:36 AM (mpXpK)

179 171 So I've finally gotten around to working on The Brothers Karamazov.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:33 AM

Is there nothing Nurse can't do?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 10:35 AM (DMUuz)

What happens in Florida stays in Florida. Though I am experiencing a noticeable post-visit crash.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:38 AM (NWiLs)

180 I read "The Poisonwood Bible" years ago...back when it was against my religion to abandon a book. It was dog-awful. How does garbage like that make it into print?

Last night I finished an interesting book called "Zoo Nebraska" about a tiny Town in Nebraska with a sort-of zoo. The book leads up to the escape of four chimpanzees and subsequent killing of three by locals.

While the animals are mentioned often throughout the book, it's most interesting for the human characters. The writing is a bit ragged in spots but nothing to drive you away from the book.

Well worth the read.

Posted by: creeper at June 23, 2019 10:39 AM (v9wA5)

181 The Nazis had just done the impossible and conquered France in a few weeks. Why not another impossible thing achieved?
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You're welcome!

Posted by: Pervitin! at June 23, 2019 10:39 AM (kQs4Y)

182 IIRC, The German Navy presented two plans ~1937, around building sufficient ships.



Plan A, a surface Navy that could go scupper-to-scupper would be ready in the early '50s.



Plan B, using U-Boats, would be ready ~1946-47.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 10:34 AM (DMUuz)

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One of the often-overlooked aspects of Germany's frantic efforts at rearmament was that they simply didn't have enough material do to it all.

Building that fleet would have consumed all of Germany's steel. There were similar arguments over aluminum and such. It's crazy to think of it, but the Wehrmacht was never fully mechanized and the most prevalent tank for the first year of the war was the Panzer I, which was designed for training.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:40 AM (cfSRQ)

183 oooh a kindle paperwhite! I'm envious

you could see if your local library lends out ebooks

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:40 AM (dm05u)

184 Even if it's these pants, which look like something George Jetson might see after accidentally inhaling some space mushroom spores..

Kill it. Kill it with fire. And nuke the site from orbit. It's the only joy way to be sure.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 23, 2019 10:40 AM (MwFQu)

185 Here is a tinyurl link to Guteberg

https://tinyurl.com/45gtx

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 10:40 AM (mpXpK)

186 Just received Zamulin's The Battle of Kursk: Controversial and Neglected Aspects. I'll start digging into it on my flight tomorrow

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 23, 2019 10:40 AM (di1hb)

187 Maybe some kind of Google doc thingy somewhere on the so-called 'Cloud'? Please leave your suggestions in the comments.

Google docs is the most convenient for me.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 23, 2019 10:41 AM (UGKMd)

188 Salty got to it before I had the chance, the air war was close but the RN was in a very strong position to stop a invasion.

Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton made that look easy.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 10:41 AM (BbGew)

189 the spreadsheet - one way I'd suggest in ye olde days would be put it up as a pdf but also have a link to the csv for download

but that means keeping track of two.formats for you

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:42 AM (dm05u)

190 Another problem the German navy had, often skirted over, is that they did have a limitation treaty with Britain. They were held to 35% of the size of the RN (parity in subs). They could have cheated some, of course, but people who think they "should" have had 100+ U-boats are ignoring the fact there was no surer way to push the Brits into taking a tougher position.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:43 AM (VaN/j)

191 Iron Mike Golf - Can't wait to hear about it.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 10:43 AM (BbGew)

192 Re the library pic - with all those blue bound books on the upstairs right shelves, they must have the complete Hardy Boys collection!

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 23, 2019 10:43 AM (q1Pj5)

193 you could see if your local library lends out ebooks

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:40 AM (dm05u)

Seconded. I've gotten tons of books both audio and print this way.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2019 10:43 AM (wvGlN)

194 I heard a useful term from my teenage kid the other day -- gamer slang, apparently.

"Wehraboos" -- those guys who won't shut up about how awesome the Germans were.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:43 AM (BpS6n)

195 I want a tablet to take with me on my upcoming trip to England. Any thoughts on the Kindle Fire?

Posted by: josephistan at June 23, 2019 10:45 AM (Izzlo)

196 163: They do a lot of virtue signaling and propagandizing, and plenty of it is in childrens' books. I suspect that is why so many books feature animal characters, so that you can get around the preoccupation with race, religion, and sexual "preferences".

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 10:45 AM (U7k5w)

197 Sarah was plain and tall.The big and tall version would be the later, non-fat-shaming rewrite.

There are two versions of the discovery of the cavity magnetron's cooking ability. One is the gently humorous one, of an MIT nerd carrying a Hershey bar in his coat pocket while walking around in the lab. It's MIT propaganda.


The other is related in Pynchon's "V" and has to do with sailors doing steaks on the radar mast, which used to be a crow's nest. And they figured out how to do that because an old alcoholic boatswain used to climb up there to hide and have a drink, and nobody briefed him on the upgrade. Ewww.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 23, 2019 10:45 AM (8ZmvG)

198 BurtTC - Oh, rest assured, it's collapsing. It turns out that collapse IS the status quo, after enough time has elapsed. It's just a matter of how much time, for each given civilization.
Posted by: PabloD at June 23, 2019 10:19 AM (44Vke)


I think it's an open question as to whether we're in a period of imminent collapse, or if we're in a period of stupid foolishness that will pass, like so many other episodes of stupid foolishness have.

In the history of history, there are only a few episodes that turned into total collapse, so that's the other question: Total collapse or mini collapse?

Too many unknowns, and not enough data sets to draw any conclusions like "it always happens like this." The doomsdayers seem to relish in the idea that we're in the End Times, but yeah, I still have no idea if that's based on facts and logic, or wishful thinking of those who are bored by reality.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2019 10:46 AM (cY3LT)

199 195: I dragged mine all over Eastern Europe. It performed well. I had to get the hotel passwords, but if you don't have credit and banking info stored it's perfect.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 10:46 AM (U7k5w)

200 174
I'm sure it looked different in 1940. The Nazis had just done the
impossible and conquered France in a few weeks. Why not another
impossible thing achieved?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 23, 2019 10:36 AM (+y/Ru)

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Was it impossible, though? Germany's army was raw and under-equipped, but the French were utterly demoralized. They also had crap for air power.

There's a nice little wargame that does a good job of recreating the campaign. Basically the German player secretly picks an objective - clearing the Maginot Line, taking Paris, or sweeping the Channel coast.

The Allied player has to set up not knowing what will happen. It's actually a very tense game because thanks to tactical air superiority, the Germans can pretty much guarantee a breakthrough somewhere, and they have enough mechanization (and amphetamine tablets!) to support it.

The fundamental issue was that the Allies had zero interest in fighting the war. Their plan was to wait out the Germans.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:46 AM (cfSRQ)

201 Any thoughts on the Kindle Fire?
Posted by: josephistan at June 23, 2019 10:45 AM (Izzlo)


My parents have those. What do you want to know about them? The only thing that comes to mind offhand is dad can only load apps from the Kindle App Store; there's a way to sideload any random Android app, but it's not as simple.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:47 AM (t+qrx)

202 75: Methinks Jipson lies like a rug

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 10:48 AM (U7k5w)

203 So . . . do we just notice Progressive propagandizing in fiction more

easily, or do liberals actually do more of it when they write?

. . . Or do out-and-proud conservatives just get rejected by publishers?



Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:29 AM (BpS6n)


What gets rewarded gets priority. The publishing houses reward wokeness and SJW over plot, language and potential audience, so that word gets out and the authors who want to sell big and make their living writing focus on wokeness and SJW tropes to get the brass rings.

What are the inducements to write measured, thought out conservative books? It is like being a Libertarian in the 50's, you either have to have a deep commitment based on personal understanding, be a crank, or be kind of blind to social pressures.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 10:48 AM (hSQmw)

204 With enough thrust, pigs fly just fine.

Posted by: Moron Engineer at June 23, 2019 10:48 AM (DMUuz)

205 Before my Samsung I had a Kindle Fire and loved it. I bought my wife a Kindle 10 but don't know much about it, only bought it so she wouldn't steal my Samsung.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 10:49 AM (BbGew)

206 sometime in July Amazon does "Prime Day" and they might do a sale on devices like the kindle and fire

fyi

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 23, 2019 10:51 AM (dm05u)

207 Another writer who touches politics a lot is Patrick O'Brian. Of course, the politics that of two centuries back, but note that each of his characters is a sort of conservative. Jack is a bred-in-the-bone Tory of landed class. Stephen is a reformed radical of the Coleridge-Wordsworth model. I don't know if a hard leftist would hate them.

It's not exactly politics, but an odd case is P C Wren, of Beau Geste fame. He wrote a novel, Mammon, in which the message is that sexual repression of the sort Freud spoke of would warp a man's character. The twist is that it keeps him from turning into the right sort of English gentleman who can look a gnu in the face and put an ounce of lead in it. (Which does remind me of Roderick Spode and Comrade Bingo.)

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:51 AM (VaN/j)

208 What happens in Florida stays in Florida.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:38 AM


Hold my beer.

Posted by: Florida Man at June 23, 2019 10:51 AM (DMUuz)

209 ---
I think the biggest thing is that they've gotten so over the top about it.

It's not enough to just have a villain or something, now it's OMG NAZIS!!!1! about everything.

A parallel development is the end of forgiveness as a concept. There is none. Once you're judged impure, you're done.

So story arcs about people who grow or are complex (like a racist who nevertheless helps minorities out of a shared sense of humanity) aren't interesting to these people.

I watched "Glory" a while back, and the way the 54th earned the respect of the white troops would be unthinkable in today's Hollywood.

There is no redemption, only condemnation.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:35 AM (cfSRQ)



I realize that this is an axe I grind, but-

I see this as a direct outgrowth of insisting on the "likable" protagonist.

"Likeable" is the world of the Left means holding every single woke belief, being the wokest of the woke.

Therefore the virtuous of the virtuous.

Conservative authors often do the same though to a lesser extent.

The obverse of this must be the irredeemable antagonist. The 'deplorable" if you will.

For a book to be organic and breathe, characters must be allowed to grow and progress in fundamental ways.

It's my belief that the insistence on a "likable" hero/protagonist is simply another way that the Left seeks to control the culture and the conversation.

For a refreshing break from this dogma, check out my book, "Wearing the Cat".


Posted by: naturalfake at June 23, 2019 10:52 AM (PhPlm)

210 That reminds me of something I've often thought of before reading the book thread. I'm rarely here PM Saturdays, so I'll mention it now: When did cute girls take up chess? Wasn't so in the 60s, that's for sure.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:04 AM (VaN/j)


That's a good question. I don't really know. Back in the old days, what few women chess players made it to the big leagues all looked like Leonid Brezhnev's mother.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 23, 2019 10:52 AM (9ioAf)

211 bonjour, bookists. now to read the thread.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, the Demofascists are certifiable at June 23, 2019 10:52 AM (Z216Q)

212 What happens in Florida stays in Florida.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:38 AM

Hold my beer.
Posted by: Florida Man at June 23, 2019 10:51 AM (DMUuz)


That's not beer.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM (t+qrx)

213 I was thinking more in terms of putting it somewhere on "The Cloud" where everyone who wanted to could access it.


May I suggest posting it in a text-only format like CSV? It would be less convenient to use because links would have to be cut and pasted like they are here instead of being clickable but it would be safer.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM (qc+VF)

214 Instead of the Kindle Fire get the samsung galaxy tab A and a Kindle app which is free/. Then you gan read books and do apps as well.

https://tinyurl.com/y5vvecfd

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM (mpXpK)

215 Has to be killing the French band to play the German national anthem

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM (BbGew)

216 Too many unknowns, and not enough data sets to draw
any conclusions like "it always happens like this." The doomsdayers
seem to relish in the idea that we're in the End Times, but yeah, I
still have no idea if that's based on facts and logic, or wishful
thinking of those who are bored by reality.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2019 10:46 AM (cY3LT)

---
Things are always in motion, though sometimes we don't realize it.

Besides, what does the term End Times even mean? We've seen currency collapses before - Argentina has them every decade. Strangely, it's still there.

There have been disasters, civil wars, etc. and when they happen, things still go on, but different.

If one looks at how revolutions or civil wars start, there isn't usually an important moment where it officially starts. Oh, sometimes there's a declaration of war or a decree, but it's either muted or after the fact.

It's honestly not something to worry about. A better use is to focus on actual threats and opportunities and get on with life.

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM (cfSRQ)

217 I want a tablet to take with me on my upcoming trip to England. Any thoughts on the Kindle Fire?
Posted by: josephistan
.............

Samsung Galaxy Tab A 8 inch. Perfect size for reading and its battery simply lasts and lasts and lasts...

Mine was on sale for $120 in December.. but it's like $175 now.. it's an incredible little tablet.

Kindle Fire is half that, but you have, from what I read, lots of Amazon apps that are hard to get rid of. Also, read the one star reviews.. slowness, bad wi-fi connections are just some of the complaints.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM (438dO)

218 212 What happens in Florida stays in Florida.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:38 AM

Hold my beer.
Posted by: Florida Man at June 23, 2019 10:51 AM (DMUuz)

That's not beer.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM (t+qrx)

*discreetly drops bottle into the trash*

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 10:54 AM (NWiLs)

219 The Armed Forces Radio station in Munich had two AM towers, each 100,000 watts. You could fly in fog from England to Munich by homing on their signal, which led some wag to make Charlie Barnet's "Skyliner" the theme song.

There is a rumor that this navigational approach led to the strategy of the Berlin Air Lift, which kind of, sort of, changed air traffic control forever.

I'd like to think so because Charlie Barnet never got his due, historically.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 23, 2019 10:54 AM (8ZmvG)

220 Can't say I like the Kindle App for Samsung, doesn't seem to be easy to manuver around, but maybe it's me.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 10:54 AM (BbGew)

221 Good morning, Bookists!

Exciting news this morning, related to my writing about my grandfather the combat engineer. I got in contact with the daughter of one of gpa's battalion commanders, who wrote of his experiences in WWII, serving under my gpa.
She says she has some of his (her father) source material, including a file with my gpa's name. Now I need to figure out how to get my hands on it.....

Any book morons near Marquette, MI? I am a thousand miles away.....

Posted by: goatexchange at June 23, 2019 10:55 AM (iBmJc)

222
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2019 10:29 AM (BpS6n)

What gets rewarded gets priority. The publishing houses reward wokeness and SJW over plot, language and potential audience, so that word gets out and the authors who want to sell big and make their living writing focus on wokeness and SJW tropes to get the brass rings.

What are the inducements to write measured, thought out conservative books? It is like being a Libertarian in the 50's, you either have to have a deep commitment based on personal understanding, be a crank, or be kind of blind to social pressures.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 23, 2019 10:48 AM (hSQmw)


At least in the Comic Book world, the Comicsgate folks are fighting back, by self-publishing.

I guess the jury is still out, somewhat. Ethan Van Sciver and a few others are cashing in big, and seem to be proclaiming victory, but I'm not sure they're right.

It's the same with the Youtube crowd. They're at a point where several are complaining about being deplatformed, and are talking about setting up their own separate platforms, without the Big Media clampdown, but who knows.

It should all work. If what they have to say is valuable enough, it should be possible in this age to circumvent the leftists, go straight to their intended audience, and make a decent living doing so.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2019 10:55 AM (cY3LT)

223 Things are always in motion, though sometimes we don't realize it.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM

Unless, of course, they're at rest.

Posted by: Newton's First Law at June 23, 2019 10:56 AM (DMUuz)

224 For a refreshing break from this dogma, check out my book, "Wearing the Cat".







Posted by: naturalfake at June 23, 2019 10:52 AM (PhPlm)

---
I like the twist at the end. Much more subtle than my approach.

And I agree with you, flawed characters are much more interesting, both to read and to write.

Someone might actually have fun with a flawed "woke" character by doing this. I don't mean showing them to be a hypocrite, but simply earnest and flawed.

Hmmm. That gets me thinking...

Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:57 AM (cfSRQ)

225 198
In the history of history, there are only a few episodes that turned into total collapse, so that's the other question: Total collapse or mini collapse?

Too many unknowns, and not enough data sets to draw any conclusions like "it always happens like this." The doomsdayers seem to relish in the idea that we're in the End Times, but yeah, I still have no idea if that's based on facts and logic, or wishful thinking of those who are bored by reality.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2019 10:46 AM (cY3LT)
________

We don't know, and cannot. Far too often people try to pick out parallel features of two periods (sometimes including today) and make some "rule" out of that. But that wholly ignores the particulars that don't fit the model - and those are always present.

I really like J H Hexter's essays on this. He was a very strong "splitter", and wrote against "lumping" continually. He also had the great virtue of flat-out owning it when someone showed him wrong. That is very rare.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:57 AM (VaN/j)

226 Just finished reading one of those non fiction bargain bin books, Tesla vs Edison . Just one of the books I've read in Tesla.

Nikolai Tesla is the most under rated or should say , under credited inventor ever. I think he had the most impact on the modern world than anyone.







Posted by: Can't resist temptation man at June 23, 2019 10:58 AM (2DOZq)

227 217 Mine was on sale for $120 in December.. but it's like $175 now.. it's an incredible little tablet.



Kindle Fire is half that, but you have, from what I read, lots of
Amazon apps that are hard to get rid of. Also, read the one star
reviews.. slowness, bad wi-fi connections are just some of the
complaints.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM (438dO)

Its a $189 at Amazon right now.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 10:58 AM (mpXpK)

228 191 Iron Mike Golf - Can't wait to hear about it.
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 10:43 AM (BbGew)


If you haven't read his Demolishing the Myth: The Tank Battle at Prokhorovka, Kursk, July 1943: An Operational Narrative, get that one.

New book is shorter than his previous (400 pages or so). Some photos, maps, and charts with operational rates and casualties.

This book seems more scholarly. Perhaps it is a byproduct of Zamulin's PhD work. It will be very useful when my hobby gig turns its sights to that battle.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 23, 2019 10:58 AM (di1hb)

229 Home.

SAFE !

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 10:59 AM (b084x)

230 Off added word sock.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 10:59 AM (2DOZq)

231 Got to visit Powell's bookstore in Portland last week. Amazing store! And filled with people in their 20's which is great to see!

Posted by: keena at June 23, 2019 10:59 AM (scP6Z)

232 123 My original spreadsheets were all from Office 2000. When I went to load my Office 2000 disk on my new computer it would not load because it was an "upgrade" for my old windows 97 program which I no longer had. That's when I down loaded open office and converted them. I don't remember how big the download is but the site says it uses 440MB of disk space.
Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 10:08 AM (mpXpK)


Right, and I don't want to make you all install half a gig of software just to read a book list.That's why I was considering some sort of 'cloud' solution.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 23, 2019 10:59 AM (9ioAf)

233 Things are always in motion, though sometimes we don't realize it.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM

And most of the time they're pretty bad things. The handful of times when they aren't is a nice surprise.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 11:00 AM (NWiLs)

234 > 'The Invention That Changed The World'.

Ahhh, great book. I read it a few years ago.

I got for the WW2 coverage and was surprised at how interesting the post-ww2 stuff was.

The most entertaining part was when Time Magazine was preparing a feature story on how MIT's Radiation Lab (the place where America did most of it's Radar research) won the war. It was going to be the cover story and take up 10-20 pages. Time wrote it and ... Hiroshima got nuked. Time rewrote the issue and the Radiation Lab wound up with one or two paragraphs.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 23, 2019 11:00 AM (Aqi5D)

235 204 With enough thrust, pigs fly just fine.
Posted by: Moron Engineer at June 23, 2019 10:48 AM (DMUuz)

E.g., F-4/F-110 family of fighters

Posted by: Her Grace, Honor, Duchess and Steadholder Harrington at June 23, 2019 11:00 AM (3XdyI)

236
Unless, of course, they're at rest.

Posted by: Newton's First Law at June 23, 2019 10:56 AM (DMUuz)

---
Always in motion is the future.

Posted by: Yoda at June 23, 2019 11:00 AM (cfSRQ)

237 There's a nice little wargame that does a good job of recreating the campaign. Basically the German player secretly picks an objective ...

The fundamental issue was that the Allies had zero interest in fighting the war. Their plan was to wait out the Germans.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:46 AM (cfSRQ)


What's the title of this wargame? Sounds like it's something I would be interested in.

The Germans got inside the Allied OODA Loop and stayed there for pretty much the entire campaign. The Allies had good equipment and counted on that parity to guarantee success. They did not expect the Germans to be so nimble in their decision-making; it wasn't easy for the Germans everywhere but they were able to side-slip around problem areas to find soft spots.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 23, 2019 11:01 AM (5Yee7)

238 Someone might actually have fun with a flawed "woke" character by doing this. I don't mean showing them to be a hypocrite, but simply earnest and flawed.

Hmmm. That gets me thinking...
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:57 AM (cfSRQ)

That would pose an interesting challenge as the more "woke" a person is in real life the greater a hypocrite they are likely to be.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 11:01 AM (NWiLs)

239 231 - my guess 20 something SJW

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 11:01 AM (BbGew)

240 Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2019 10:46 AM (cY3LT)

---
Things are always in motion, though sometimes we don't realize it.

Besides, what does the term End Times even mean? We've seen currency collapses before - Argentina has them every decade. Strangely, it's still there.

There have been disasters, civil wars, etc. and when they happen, things still go on, but different.

If one looks at how revolutions or civil wars start, there isn't usually an important moment where it officially starts. Oh, sometimes there's a declaration of war or a decree, but it's either muted or after the fact.

It's honestly not something to worry about. A better use is to focus on actual threats and opportunities and get on with life.
Posted by: Author A.H. Lloyd - now with functioning web site at June 23, 2019 10:53 AM (cfSRQ)


There's a macro/micro argument to be had, one that I usually... usually, in real life tackle by focusing on my own version of here and now, rather than big picture stuff.

But it seems rather pointless to me, to fight one's own little battles, if there's a larger war going on, to which one is otherwise oblivious.

Seems to me one needs to at least "keep an eye on" the bigger picture stuff.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2019 11:01 AM (cY3LT)

241 Children's books:

A vote for Daniel Pinkwater books. They are seemingly absurdist fare but ultimately harmless hippy stuff.

The Snarkout Boys and the Avocado of Death
A must read for the title alone.

Lizard Music
Ditto

The Hoboken Chicken Emergency
Who can't relate?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 11:02 AM (DrqHq)

242 The other shocking thing I learned was hanging isn't the quick execution I was led to believe.



Not if the neck doesn't break.
Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 09:05 AM (b084x)

There is an old saying that if you have friends they will swing on your heels.
Posted by: Kindltot

So, in this case, I guess having Michael Moore as a friend would be a good thing.

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 11:02 AM (b084x)

243 210 That reminds me of something I've often thought of before reading the book thread. I'm rarely here PM Saturdays, so I'll mention it now: When did cute girls take up chess? Wasn't so in the 60s, that's for sure.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:04 AM (VaN/j)

That's a good question. I don't really know. Back in the old days, what few women chess players made it to the big leagues all looked like Leonid Brezhnev's mother.
Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at June 23, 2019 10:52 AM (9ioAf)
_______

Reminds me of a line in a TV show, shortly after A Beautiful Mind came out. A nerd says "Real math girls don't look like Jennifer Connelly."

Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 11:03 AM (VaN/j)

244 I have had my Samsung Gal Tab A for three years now and not a problem with it. Battery has to be recharged more often now but they all get week after a few years.

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2019 11:04 AM (mpXpK)

245 One more bit on 'The Invention That Changed The World'.

If you want to understand WW2 radar, just remember that the the Allies were two years ahead of the Axis on radar tech - All Through The War. And this was when the tech was being rapidly developed so that meant the Axis was always 2 or 3 generations behind.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 23, 2019 11:04 AM (Aqi5D)

246 241 Children's books:

A vote for Daniel Pinkwater books. They are seemingly absurdist fare but ultimately harmless hippy stuff.

The Snarkout Boys and the Avocado of Death
A must read for the title alone.

Lizard Music
Ditto

The Hoboken Chicken Emergency
Who can't relate?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 11:02 AM (DrqHq)

Hell yes. The Snarkout Boys and the Baconburg Horror.

And the poetry...oh, the poetry

The light and the corner of 5th and Snark
Is whanging
banging
clanging in the wind
Oh James Dean where are you now,
Squashed in your Porsche
And the muscle-bound crum-bums threaten to beat me up
Just 'cause I'm weird

Posted by: Insomniac at June 23, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)

247 I read the Moron Trump romance book/movie meme in the sidebar this week... I laughed till I cried. Instant classic.

Posted by: Heirloominati at June 23, 2019 11:05 AM (hgEPl)

248 osted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2019 10:46 AM (cY3LT)
________

We don't know, and cannot. Far too often people try to pick out parallel features of two periods (sometimes including today) and make some "rule" out of that. But that wholly ignores the particulars that don't fit the model - and those are always present.

I really like J H Hexter's essays on this. He was a very strong "splitter", and wrote against "lumping" continually. He also had the great virtue of flat-out owning it when someone showed him wrong. That is very rare.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2019 10:57 AM (VaN/j)


Hmmm, a name I'd never heard before.

I see several titles. Any suggestion as to where one might start?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2019 11:06 AM (cY3LT)

249 217 I want a tablet to take with me on my upcoming trip to England. Any thoughts on the Kindle Fire?
Posted by: josephistan
.............

Samsung Galaxy Tab A 8 inch. Perfect size for reading and its battery simply lasts and lasts and lasts...

Mine was on sale for $120 in December.. but it's like $175 now.. it's a