Chip and Joanna Gaines -- Raked by the Leftwing Last Year For Not Featuring Enough Gay Couples (in Waco, Texas) on Their Show -- Slammed with $200,000 in EPA Fines and Required Abatements

I'm not saying there's a connection.

But I would say that people who offend the leftwing Deep State tend to get plenty of government scrutiny and hassle.

In fairness, though, this does seem like the kind of thing the EPA would go after you for (so long as you're not Protected), given that the potential violations were seen on TV.

The stars of the hit HGTV renovation show "Fixer Upper" violated federal regulations for mishandling lead-based paint, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said.

Magnolia Homes, owned by "Fixer Upper" stars Chip and Joanna Gaines, agreed Tuesday to pay a $40,000 fine to the EPA and complete $160,000 of lead abatement work around their hometown of Waco, Texas, among other measures, as part of the settlement with the federal government.

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The EPA says the program didn't show the Gaineses and others taking proper precautions to avoid lead exposure to workers and residents when working on buildings built before 1978 that could have lead-based paint.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 05:10 PM




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1 Yup. How dare they not do enough episodes on LGBTQ people?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 11, 2018 05:02 PM (W+vEI)

2 There will be no escaping.

Posted by: Hikaru at June 11, 2018 05:03 PM (uyBEX)

3 The EPA says the program didn't show the Gaineses and others taking proper precautions to avoid lead exposure to workers and residents when working on buildings built before 1978 that could have lead-based paint



F you fedgov. Identify the ones that DID or stfu!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2018 05:04 PM (9uM86)

4 >>...didn't show the Gaineses and others taking proper precautions to avoid lead exposure to workers and residents when working on buildings built before 1978 that could have lead-based paint.

Huh. They have shown careful asbestos removal.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 11, 2018 05:05 PM (W+vEI)

5 I no longer believe in coincidences when it comes to government retaliation.


Lois Lerner taught me that.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 11, 2018 05:05 PM (FWsqf)

6 What the ever-loving f*ck???

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2018 05:05 PM (ptqGC)

7 PDT's EPA????

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2018 05:06 PM (ptqGC)

8 EPA doesn't mess around w/ lead based paint.

Remember the old jokes about "lead chips", yeah comes from that (old paint). Chip and Joanna have torn up tons of houses that were ancient and probably did have lead paint in them, exposing them and their crews to it. Their employees could probably sue them because of it.

The EPA/OSHA also doesn't mess around with Asbestos (insulation sometimes roofing stuff/fireproofing).

Posted by: Adolf H. at June 11, 2018 05:06 PM (xGZ+b)

9 off WW2 sock...

Posted by: Scott T. at June 11, 2018 05:06 PM (xGZ+b)

10 They often had their kids visit them on job sites, and Joanna is having another punishment.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2018 05:07 PM (ptqGC)

11 Willowed from the last thread and I wanted to make sure Zombie Robbo got this

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Mrs. and I are going to Bermuda for anniversary. Can the Horde put me some knowledge about dining, activities, etc.?





Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at June 11, 2018 04:22 PM (or7uh)

**
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Best Restaurant for a truly Bermuda experience? The Waterlot - real old school Bermuda charm - very luxe
In Hamilton - Port O' Call is my fave.

Make
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half a day - once there walk easterly on the paths just behind the
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See the view from Gibb's Hill Lighthouse (and just below at
the "Queen's View"- where a Young Queen Elizabeth II paused to admire
the view while touring her empire for the first time)
Rent a Boston whaler at Blue Hill Water Sports and go out for the day exploring.
The
museum at Dockyard as well as the rum cake factory and a Dark and
Stormy ( the local drink) at the Frog and Onion Pub are great too.

Do NOT rent a scooter unless you grew up riding motorcycles and have some experience with left hand drive.

For golf I recommend Riddel's Bay
and
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Drop me a line here if you want more info - I am on most days -
when do you go?

Posted by: Publius Redux at June 11, 2018 05:07 PM (Fb9aZ)

12 Oh they didn't take protective measures on homes "that could have had" lead based paint. Not even any evidence that they were sloppy with actual lead paint. I'm grateful that Trump put in Pruitt and Pruitt has cut back the employees and rolled back some of the worst Barky admin death to productive work of any kind rules, but clearly there is a whole lot of work cleaning the invasive deep staters out of the swamp.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at June 11, 2018 05:08 PM (eASYU)

13 Ace: "I'm not saying there's a connection..."
Okay. I'll say it. There's a connection.

Posted by: budman at June 11, 2018 05:09 PM (imGR/)

14
Well HGTV does stay for Homo and Gay TV doesn't it?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 11, 2018 05:09 PM (SiINZ)

15 Why was the home allowed to be sold in the first place? Shouldn't the cleanup have occurred before a transfer of ownership?

Posted by: Fritz at June 11, 2018 05:09 PM (J7XgW)

16 Surreality TV

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2018 05:09 PM (IqV8l)

17 It could have just as easily been someone who sicced the EPA on them. If the EPA has something brought to their attention, I'm guessing they have to do something.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 11, 2018 05:09 PM (pvjTE)

18 Umm, so the determination was made by watching edited shows??

No onsite investigation or interviews with the Gaines??


What the fuck!!!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at June 11, 2018 05:09 PM (UfMVm)

19 The EPA people who did this are window lickers and eat paint chips with onion dip

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 11, 2018 05:09 PM (6Ll1u)

20 Until I see proof that there was no connection, I'm going to assume there was a connection.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:10 PM (sX1BW)

21 Easy to tell if it's retaliation.


There isn't a damn one of those HGTV renovation makeover shows that displays the lead concerns that they are going after the Gainses about.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 11, 2018 05:10 PM (EyPfd)

22 Oh they didn't take protective measures on homes "that could have had" lead based paint. Not even any evidence that they were sloppy with actual lead paint. I'm grateful that Trump put in Pruitt and Pruitt has cut back the employees and rolled back some of the worst Barky admin death to productive work of any kind rules, but clearly there is a whole lot of work cleaning the invasive deep staters out of the swamp.
Posted by: PaleRider


Exactly. Evidence or FO.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2018 05:10 PM (9uM86)

23 So, the health risks of Lead Paint abatement outweigh the health risks of Gay Butt Sex?

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2018 05:10 PM (Z+ROM)

24 Little known fact. His full name is Lead Paint Chip.

Posted by: jd at June 11, 2018 05:10 PM (IiR2y)

25 Lead paint lawsuits have been around for forty plus years now. It's one thing the EPA goes absolutely bonkers over. Still you'd think that Scot Pruitt would put some sort of lid on this stuff.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at June 11, 2018 05:10 PM (Sda6L)

26 If the EPA has something brought to their attention, I'm guessing they have to do something.

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I can't think of a better reason to eliminate the EPA than this.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:11 PM (sX1BW)

27
Political payback. Shouldn't happen, but it still does.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at June 11, 2018 05:11 PM (LOgQ4)

28

Meanwhile the boys are beating the girls in girls sports, by claiming they are girls too!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 11, 2018 05:11 PM (fceHP)

29 You mean those weren't sprinkles for my ice cream?

Posted by: Peter Griffin at June 11, 2018 05:12 PM (fsm7m)

30 The left has been after Chip and Joanna because they are just plain normal. They seem to have a nice family, well behaved kids and a nice business grounded in traditional values. The libs can't have that. Frankly it's the only show I watch on HGTV anymore. I'm sorry they gave up the show but I understand completely why they may have done it.

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:12 PM (jm1YL)

31 RADON!




Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2018 05:12 PM (Z+ROM)

32 Oh for goodness sake. Just because they didn't show it doesn't mean they didn't do it.

They don't show a lot of things on those kinds of shows, but I'm pretty sure that all of the people on them go to the bathroom once in a while, for example.

Posted by: bluebell at June 11, 2018 05:12 PM (oMtOd)

33 After all the proctological investigations visited upon Tea Party organizations and their companies, the deep state seems the most likely explanation.

Posted by: IanDeal at June 11, 2018 05:12 PM (5mrLG)

34 On the Chip and Joanna Gaines thing? I have to say - with all the real issues with lead poisoning etc. The EPA has much better things to do than harass a successful couple that advocates bringing houses up to code and saves them from probable destruction. If I were prezzy - and I saw this - I would find out who the investigating officers were at the EPA, as well as their supervisor, and their supervisor's supervisor, and I would reassign them to Gnome f*cking Alaska to do real work somewhere as they have sooo much f*cking time on their hands . . you know . . Pour encourager les autres.

Posted by: Publius Redux at June 11, 2018 05:12 PM (Fb9aZ)

35 There is no such thing as "lead based paint".

Lead is a pigment additive, those paints are linseed oil based....oil based paint.

Titanium dioxide is now used as a pigment additive and paint brightener, instead of lead. Lead existed as a pigment additive in different levels in different types of oil-based paint.
What they SHOULD have done is scrape paint off the wall and had some simple analysis done to see if lead was in the pigment of the painted houses in question. Lead pigment started disappearing in the early sixties, as latex paints were appearing.
And I should sue my late father, for making me paint our old house with oil-base white paint that had lead pigment. That guy was trying to kill me.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:13 PM (vcOmj)

36 F you fedgov. Identify the ones that DID or stfu!
Posted by: rickb223
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yeah.. exactly.. that's what local inspectors are for.. if they got the permits and passed inspections, the Gaines's should tell em to f' off

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 11, 2018 05:13 PM (so+oy)

37 We're Making Everything Dumber.

Posted by: Your Government at June 11, 2018 05:13 PM (vDqXW)

38 Do you know how many shows HGTV has of people tearing up pre1978 homes without demonstrating lead abatement?

It's probably on the order of 100,000 episodes over the years.

Posted by: MAGA at June 11, 2018 05:13 PM (JW1jX)

39 Everyone does this.

Even established outfits before a remodel basically tell you to not say the house was painted before 1979 or whenever the cutoff is because it means an expensive crew has to get involved.

As long as nobody is eating the paint from a tore down structure that's been hauled away to the dump, it's not dangerous.

Posted by: Maritime at June 11, 2018 05:13 PM (lKmt3)

40 I'm sure the EPA would be just as vigilant on some homo show on Bravo.

Posted by: Cm9000 at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (fRU2t)

41 Not Featuring Enough Gay Couples on Their Show
............

Don't worry. CNN has got that covered.

Posted by: wth at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (HgMAr)

42 If the EPA has something brought to their attention, I'm guessing they have to do something.

Yeah. I wonder who brought it to their attention.

The potential answer makes me want to start investing in closet manufacturer's.


Posted by: LGoPs at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (FWsqf)

43 I fully believe Leftists are of a mind speak group and would pull a tit for tat

Posted by: Skip j at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (pHfeF)

44 I miss the days of smoking cigarettes while ripping asbestos building materials with a skilsaw.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (Z+ROM)

45 It did make me feel uncomfortable watching them just feed the paint chips to the kids.

Posted by: jd at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (IiR2y)

46 "RADON! "

Do Texas homes even have basement for radon to collect in?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (EyPfd)

47 31
RADON!




Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2018 05:12 PM (Z+ROM)

***
You know what the cure for Radon is right? Radoff!
*rimshot** Thank you, thank you! I am here all week, try the veal.

Posted by: Publius Redux at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (Fb9aZ)

48 this is how you get Vaclav's Greengrocer. better put up that Stop Gun Violence sign ... or else.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (5C+G3)

49 Bullies win. Government workers never, ever pay for their crimes, no matter how egregious (unless the are conservatives, or practicing Christians)
anyone saving old structures: EPA bullies abound. too many progressives work as bureaucrats, and Pruitt is tied in knots with spending witch-hunts

Posted by: TANSTAASFL at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (Wa5hI)

50 That *could have* lead-based paint. Is the standard that all precautions must be taken regardless? Or are you allowed to test for lead paint before starting? If the latter is permitted, does that testing process have to be shown?

Regardless, it looks like they probably "did it" because they're paying the ransom. But the EPA is loaded with standards that make you guilty more often than you won't be. Wasn't TGE supposed to be doing something with this agency?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (I2dne)

51 These aren't fines.

Posted by: Trey Gowdy & Paul Ryan at June 11, 2018 05:15 PM (vDqXW)

52 I have no clue whether they took precautions or not, or if this was an ongoing problem or not. I'll just say this - assuming this is something we want the federal government to involve itself in - something I am quite dubious of - the State of Texas can regulate its lead paint on its own without US interference ... but assuming it is, did the federal government send notice that this was a concern and just ask them to take proper precautions next time - or was it just a fine. This is what galls me. No one could possibly know all the federal regulations surrounding lead paint removal - I'm guessing not even the EPA. Can't we just ask people to try to follow the rules without trying to bankrupt them in the process. Of course not. We can't. So get rid of the EPA and all its bullshit.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:15 PM (sX1BW)

53 We're Making Everything Dumber.
Posted by: Your Government

Bob Villa is dying of lead poisoning. This Old House was a killer!

(just kidding, Bob is fine)

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:15 PM (vcOmj)

54 15 Why was the home allowed to be sold in the first place? Shouldn't the cleanup have occurred before a transfer of ownership? "

The not-so-secret secret is that EVERY building in the US that was built before 1978 has lead based paint in it. And it is absolutely impossible to get it all out unless you tear the building down and rebuild from scratch.

Everyone knows that, so whenever you work on buildings built before 1978 you make a show of going through the motions, or at least saying that you did, and in general when you paint over the old stuff you have sealed it in place. But there's times old paint builds up and it has to be scraped. EPA wants every worker to be sealed up in NASA type EVA excursion suits, and that's just not realistic.

The problem Fixer Upper had was they put on TV depictions of them doing houses the way that everyone in the country redoes houses, and they forget that for television you've got to go through all the extra steps of pretending that you can do something about the old paint, because it makes the EPA feel good.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:15 PM (k1TUh)

55 Regardless, it looks like they probably "did it" because they're paying the ransom. But the EPA is loaded with standards that make you guilty more often than you won't be. Wasn't TGE supposed to be doing something with this agency?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (I2dne)
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I'll bet they acted properly. In the linked article it says that they admit to none of the charges. But I'll bet they are paying the fines because it's quicker and cheaper than being right but punished by the process.

Posted by: bluebell at June 11, 2018 05:15 PM (oMtOd)

56 Is lead based paint one of those things like second hand smoke, where the evidence of its connection to illness are spotty at best?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (9chmE)

57 Maybe they can help with Ace's basement?

Posted by: dantesed at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (88xKn)

58 >>The not-so-secret secret is that EVERY building in the US that was built before 1978 has lead based paint in it


It's keeping the asbestos in place!

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (Z+ROM)

59 @34

Shit if they think the Gaines are bad, don't show the mopes at the EPA any shows of Nicole Curtis's show rehab addict.


There are some shows of her underage son stripping old doors and windows, which obviously due to their age have lead paint.

As well as other radom things like throwing obviously old asbestos containing insulation in a dumpster.


This is straight up harrasment!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (UfMVm)

60 They need to push back on EPA - get a good lawyer and take them to court.

Posted by: IC at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (a0IVu)

61 Somehow I survived a childhood surrounded by lead based paint.Even helped my dad strip it sometimes.

Posted by: steevy at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (LiyEm)

62 I miss the days of smoking cigarettes while ripping asbestos building materials with a skilsaw.
Posted by: garrett

You like to live on the edge, don't you?

Daredevil, you are.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (vcOmj)

63 Not Featuring Enough Gay Couples on Their Show
............

Don't worry. CNN has got that covered.
Posted by: wth at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (HgMAr)
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No worries, we're closer.

Posted by: Every other show on HGTV. at June 11, 2018 05:17 PM (vDqXW)

64 GET THE LEAD OUT!!!!!

Posted by: Coach at June 11, 2018 05:17 PM (ctuyM)

65 You wouldn't believe how many workers comp asbestos clams I handle out of CA where the alleged injured is over 80 years old and a former pack a day smoker.

That asbestos sure is s killer.

( these ambulance chasers get a hold of union logs and solicit clients)

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 11, 2018 05:17 PM (ZtIV1)

66 Don't worry. CNN has got that covered.
Posted by: wth at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (HgMAr)
++++++++++++
We sure do!

Posted by: The Tapper and Clapper Variety Hour at June 11, 2018 05:17 PM (I2dne)

67 Didn't show Delta Smelt impact, either. Nother fine!!

Posted by: jd at June 11, 2018 05:17 PM (IiR2y)

68 Boiled In Lead : Son O Sam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMlaDcsWRy0

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2018 05:18 PM (Z+ROM)

69 I've been watching This Old House refurbishing a Civil War era house in Charleston, SC.

I didn't notice anyone taking any particular precautions, considering the house had had additions and "improvements" made over the years.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2018 05:18 PM (ptqGC)

70 Jesus, right? Like Vegas has a national ad campaign showing some happy go lucky lipstick lesbians spontaneously getting married.

er, wut? America's gay, guys.

Kind of hard to do with .6% of the population but dammit the left doesn't care. you will gay,.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 11, 2018 05:18 PM (FOPyv)

71 My guess is that $200k was significantly cheaper than lawyers fees (and probably covered by insurance).

Which shows we have problems in the bureaucracy and in the courts. Shocker, I know.

Posted by: sunny-dee at June 11, 2018 05:18 PM (QAOZh)

72 >>Daredevil, you are.


Job's a job.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2018 05:19 PM (Z+ROM)

73 Shit if they think the Gaines are bad, don't show the mopes at the EPA any shows of Nicole Curtis's show rehab addict.
There are some shows of her underage son stripping old doors and windows, which obviously due to their age have lead paint.
Posted by: Kreplach

Nicole is kinda hawt, but I think she is some kind of steaming liberal, and yes, her son has been exposed to all kinds of toxic folderol.
That woman belongs in jail.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:19 PM (vcOmj)

74 I'm not saying there's a connection. But there's a connection.

Fixed it for ya.

Posted by: Pudding Puff at June 11, 2018 05:19 PM (hHiYj)

75 I've been watching This Old House refurbishing a Civil War era house in Charleston, SC.

I didn't notice anyone taking any particular precautions, considering the house had had additions and "improvements" made over the years.

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TOH makes a big show of all their safety precautions - to the point of being unrealistic.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:19 PM (sX1BW)

76 The not-so-secret secret is that EVERY building in the US that was built before 1978 has lead based paint in it. And it is absolutely impossible to get it all out unless you tear the building down and rebuild from scratch.


.................

Well, if you ever saw one of their renovations.. they basically gut the place and start afresh. I doubt there is one square foot of original painted trim/walls in most of their builds.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 11, 2018 05:20 PM (so+oy)

77 I'm sure the math they did on this was "why have a high profile lawsuit we could lose that could drag on for years and jeopardize our line at Target, book deals, tv deals, etc and cast a poor light on us"

So they paid the fine, wrote it off on their taxes, and moved on with their business.

But of course the EPA did this because they are a strong Christian family that has gained traction in pop culture.

As was said earlier, you think the EPA would have done this to some gay duo remodeling houses?

Posted by: Maritime at June 11, 2018 05:20 PM (lKmt3)

78 Meanwhile the boys are beating the girls in girls sports, by claiming they are girls too!

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Hey! You don't know the horror of their existence. It's hard being a boy who wants to be a top notch athlete but not being good enough to beat your own gender.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 11, 2018 05:20 PM (xQfPr)

79 If they had done 100 remodels and featured 1 - 2 gay couples they would have been doing pretty good on their inclusion.

Posted by: buzzion at June 11, 2018 05:20 PM (lKs2v)

80 ''Posted by: wth at June 11, 2018 05:14 PM (HgMAr)
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No worries, we're closer.
Posted by: Every other show on HGTV. ''

That's the reason I avoid all the other shows. I just get sick of it being shoved in my face. I'd rather watch endless reruns of Chip and Jo

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:21 PM (jm1YL)

81 This is my area of work and they are definitely being targeted. The normal procedure for a first time offender is a negotiated settlement that would not have involved a significant fine for a "possible" exposure.

I've seen other shows, especially Rehab Addict do the same exact thing on a couple of their projects.

Posted by: Fisher at June 11, 2018 05:21 PM (8NiWI)

82 Well, if you ever saw one of their renovations.. they basically gut the place and start afresh. I doubt there is one square foot of original painted trim/walls in most of their builds.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 11, 2018 05:20 PM (so+oy)
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I think that's part of the "problem" from the EPA perspective. Nobody's wearing hazmat suits and they just demo the place.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2018 05:21 PM (vDqXW)

83 As was said earlier, you think the EPA would have done this to some gay duo remodeling houses?
Posted by: Maritime


You mean like those twin brothers that do that house flipping remodeling stuff?

Totally gay. IMHO.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:21 PM (vcOmj)

84 My dad and uncle were contractors and finish carpenters.They never wore ear protection,eye protection.First thing they did when they bought a new saw was remove the safety guard.

Posted by: steevy at June 11, 2018 05:21 PM (LiyEm)

85 The This Old House, Charleston project had a black lesbian couple owning one of the two homes they were doing.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 11, 2018 05:22 PM (EyPfd)

86 We are fining the descendants of Tom Sawyer for making others paint his fence without the proper abatement.

Posted by: EPA at June 11, 2018 05:22 PM (ZtIV1)

87 BTW, whatever happened to the EPA people responsible for the yellow river incident?

Posted by: MAGA at June 11, 2018 05:22 PM (LnOh3)

88 56 Is lead based paint one of those things like second hand smoke, where the evidence of its connection to illness are spotty at best?
Posted by: BurtTC at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (9chmE)


I think you pretty much have to eat lead paint chips in order for there to be a problem. It's probably not good to breathe the dust either, but I would think that would be more of a problem for someone who does it for a living rather than a one-time restoration.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2018 05:22 PM (xjiRE)

89 And with asbestos, my understanding is that variety matters. The white asbestos is probably safe per my understanding, (though we'll probably never know for sure because all testing (even if legal) is pointless since the entire category of products is illegal) and it's the blue and brown asbestos that'll wreck up your lungs.

Posted by: The Tapper and Clapper Variety Hour at June 11, 2018 05:22 PM (I2dne)

90 Personally, I blame Nixon.

Posted by: colfax mingo at June 11, 2018 05:22 PM (MFFyI)

91 Nobody's wearing hazmat suits and they just demo the place.

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Every EPA employee should be required to spend half the year wearing a hazmat suit doing demo work in Texas during the summer.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:22 PM (sX1BW)

92

Daily Beast chick eating her I love obamacare words. She told people to leave the country if they didn't like it, now she's crying like a baby because it's so expensive.

And if you haven't seen it, Sharyl Attkisson NUKES media over their favorite narrative-boosting G7 photo (compare/contrast). She shows a side by side of the same picture the entire MSM is using to show Trump as King while arguing with Merkel and Co. But seconds after or before, or whatever, shows them all laughing. Same positions, different expressions.

The media are a joke.

twitchy has all these treats

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 11, 2018 05:22 PM (fceHP)

93 I found a test tube full of mercury in the garage one day when I was 8. Of course I poured it out onto the smooth concrete floor and was playing with it, admiring the cool way it moved around. Dad came home and found me and had a fit, I'm still alive.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 11, 2018 05:23 PM (6Ll1u)

94 The Gaines' are an industry in themselves. They've taken their first small shop and expanded it into a huge multifaceted business. They've done so well and so they must be destroyed. They are also unabashed Christians. Burn them at the stake.
So much easier for them to pay the penalty and move on. I hope they continue to prosper, make lots and lots of money and live happily ever after.
Screw the EPA.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at June 11, 2018 05:23 PM (N3JsI)

95 Asbestos save more lives from fires than it took with cancer?

Posted by: steevy at June 11, 2018 05:23 PM (LiyEm)

96 Magnolia is nice little company you have there.

Shame if anything were to happen to it.

Posted by: Vito and Vinnie from the EPA at June 11, 2018 05:23 PM (vDqXW)

97 Most of you are only 29 so you wouldn't have been alive with the kids eating paint chip commercials were on.

Posted by: Skip j at June 11, 2018 05:23 PM (pHfeF)

98 The This Old House, Charleston project had a black lesbian couple owning one of the two homes they were doing.

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Yes, but they didn't finish their house. But they finished the white couple's house. Just saying.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:23 PM (sX1BW)

99 Personally, I blame Nixon.
Posted by: colfax mingo


Nixon's the One!

Still dead, though.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:23 PM (vcOmj)

100 i live in a house built in 1937. I'm sure most of the woodwork has 5 or 6 layers of paint with lead additives in it, covered by 3 or 4 layers of more recent latex. Anytime I've had to change something for a remodel, I'm sure some of the old layers have been disturbed.

So What? Me and any workers wear breathing masks when using saws or scraping, due to the dust. And if you look at the literature, the worst effects of lead are on pre-school age children, so keep the kids away from the work site. As far as full grown adults go, use masks and don't breathe powderized residue into your lungs, and it actually won't do anything to you.

Btw, neither will asbestos - that's another big lie, very profitable for some people, that's been pushed the last 30 years. Yes, breathing powderized airborne asbestos is bad - but other than that, it is completely harmless. And since it occurs in long fibers, you never will run into the powderized version unless some person uses a machine to chop it up and put it into the air.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:24 PM (k1TUh)

101 had a few episodes of these shows on lately, and i distinctly remember another episode of another show in which the renovation 'expert' estimated a $3000 cost to remove lead paint for a house built before 1978. offhandedly, the host or contractor remarked that there were asbestos abatement issues that had to be handled as well, most of which definitely didn't make it into the final cost of the renovation. and this house was in california.

this stood out to me because a family member recently purchased a house, which we had tested for asbestos in the kitchen tile and in the ceiling, and it was everywhere. one way to handle the problem is to seal the asbestos so it can't become friable, but the best way is to just completely remove it. cost estimates for a small townhouse started at $10k...not in california.

basically, i'm sure contractors and renovators cheat on this stuff all the time, and i'm sure this was a targeted effort to ruin these people. not that anyone needed the additional confirmation.

Posted by: matt at June 11, 2018 05:24 PM (LRbkZ)

102 Hah! $200k? That's not even on the radar for their company, i'm guessing. A rounding error in their books. How much do they have to pay in fines and regulatory bullshit in a normal year? $100k? More?

But the left must have their PR scalp, and the apparatchiks will abide.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 05:24 PM (BRvh1)

103 "Yes, but they didn't finish their house. But they finished the white couple's house. Just saying."

I missed that.

What happened?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 11, 2018 05:24 PM (EyPfd)

104 I saw Lead Paint Abatement open for Iron Maiden at the Cow Palace back in '94

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 11, 2018 05:24 PM (NmXoG)

105 Btw, neither will asbestos - that's another big lie, very profitable for some people, that's been pushed the last 30 years. Yes, breathing powderized airborne asbestos is bad - but other than that, it is completely harmless. And since it occurs in long fibers, you never will run into the powderized version unless some person uses a machine to chop it up and put it into the air.

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I had read something about how it may have helped on 9/11. True?

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:24 PM (sX1BW)

106 ''The Gaines' are an industry in themselves. They've taken their first small shop and expanded it into a huge multifaceted business. They've done so well and so they must be destroyed. They are also unabashed Christians. Burn them at the stake.
So much easier for them to pay the penalty and move on. I hope they continue to prosper, make lots and lots of money and live happily ever after.
Screw the EPA.''

Yup! They're a lovely family and Chip is funny as heck. I hope they own HGTV before they are done.

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:25 PM (jm1YL)

107 95 Asbestos save more lives from fires than it took with cancer?"

Probably by a factor of 1 million to One. Seriously.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:25 PM (k1TUh)

108 Is lead based paint one of those things like
second hand smoke, where the evidence of its connection to illness are
spotty at best?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (9chmE)



I think you pretty much have to eat lead paint chips in order for
there to be a problem. It's probably not good to breathe the dust
either, but I would think that would be more of a problem for someone
who does it for a living rather than a one-time restoration.

Posted by: rickl at June 11, 2018 05:22 PM (xjiRE)


I would be curious to know how solid the science is.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 11, 2018 05:25 PM (9chmE)

109 "Could have had," that's the operative word.

In fact, very few of these places actually had lead-based paint, and the lead from them is so miniscule that the protection required is almighty overkill. The best "protection" is to not eat it by the gallon.

It is much like the hyperscare of asbestos, almost none of which will cause a case of sniffles, let alone asbestosis, which is usually developed after years of mining exposure. There is not one single case of asbestosis from any other exposure, period.

If asbestos is so damned bad, you can bet fiberglass insulation is worse, but nobody is into that scare because of the almighty $$ of the manufacturers.

The truth is that life will kill you.

Nobody gets out alive.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:26 PM (7UW64)

110 I know where the EPA could spend some time with flippers.


B'More.


Entire city is lead paint.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 11, 2018 05:26 PM (EyPfd)

111 107 I think so too.

Posted by: steevy at June 11, 2018 05:26 PM (LiyEm)

112 Asbestos save more lives from fires than it took with cancer?
Posted by: steevy

My late Dad died from Mesothelioma (lung cancer from Asbestos particles), as did Steve McQueen, but from inhaling brake dust. Car brakes use to use asbestos in the brake shoes (before disk pads). He rebuilt brakes on trucks for Uncle Sugar during the big WWII Good War. Steve was a Marine and did the same thing, but later on.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:27 PM (vcOmj)

113 >>BTW, whatever happened to the EPA people responsible for the yellow river incident?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

No one named, no one fired (or even demoted, that we know of).

Refusing to pay damages to communities downstream from the spill.

And Lefties still blame the mine owner, despite him only letting them do it because he was being fined $15k/day for denying them access to it.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 11, 2018 05:27 PM (W+vEI)

114 Good grief!

Who's the little blonde that ONLY renovates really old homes? I'm sure there's nothing but lead paint in those and I've NEVER seen any mention of 'lead paint' disposal on her shows.

Besides...how the F can you tell from an edited show?!

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2018 05:27 PM (Enq6K)

115 "Yes, but they didn't finish their house. But they finished the white couple's house. Just saying."

I missed that.

What happened?

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The last episode of the season showed them finishing the straight white couple's house. With the lesbian black couple, they said the damage was too great and they ran out of time to show the finished product.

Of course, according to TOH the city of Charleston made them save this house that was basically unsalvageable. Would have been cheaper to tear down. I can easily see this being the case with that historical district. Historical districts always no better than you as to what can be done with your property.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:27 PM (sX1BW)

116 I would be curious to know how solid the science is.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 11, 2018 05:25 PM (9chmE)
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And how many paint chips you get away with eating.

Posted by: Michael Moore at June 11, 2018 05:27 PM (vDqXW)

117 Are these regulations reasonable? (ie. like a food inspector saying no rats in the kitchen)

Or is this a case like Mark Steyn talks about, that laws are designed so that you will always be guilty of something? I don't presume to know anymore. I can't even make an assumption.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 11, 2018 05:28 PM (/qEW2)

118 Jesus Juan drop dead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 11, 2018 05:28 PM (Lg2h/)

119 They've made Waco a tourist attraction and probably own half the town. They can afford it.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 11, 2018 05:28 PM (Y9uH4)

120 Wouldn't it be the bee's six knees if some intrepid young reporter dug up direct, irrefutable evidence that these two and their company were targeted by the EPA because of their beliefs?

Oh, wait, what am I saying.

Nothing at all would happen.

Nevermind.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 05:29 PM (BRvh1)

121 Are these regulations reasonable? (ie. like a food inspector saying no rats in the kitchen)

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Who says that is a reasonable regulation?

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:29 PM (sX1BW)

122 The truth is that life will kill you.

Nobody gets out alive.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:26 PM (7UW64)

This !!!!!

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at June 11, 2018 05:29 PM (czkHE)

123 Note.... not that DID have lead based paint... but could have had lead based paint...

Crap.... after working on US Navy ships for years??? The only reason I don't trip metal detectors is they don't alert to lead...

Posted by: Don Q at June 11, 2018 05:29 PM (NgKpN)

124 I would have thought "flaming" was an improper technique for lead paint removal?

Posted by: DaveA at June 11, 2018 05:29 PM (FhXTo)

125 THis looks like an easy case to beat. They're being fined for... not putting something on TV???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (39g3+)

126 I had read something about how it may have helped on 9/11. True?"

I don't know, since I don't know if the Towers had used asbestos or not. I do know that is the best naturally occurring, cheap flame retardant ever discovered. It doesn't burn, it doesn't melt.

Remember the tower that burned in London last year, killing 60 or 70 people, because they had put a plastic based "energy saving" coating around the building? And it burned like a roman candle? Suppose they had used asbestos instead - not a single person would have died, the fire would never have spread from where it started. BUT it's natural, no company can copyright it, no way to make big profits from it, so let's outlaw it! Yeah, that's the ticket!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (k1TUh)

127 Don't get me started on the asbestos BS. Drilling into a floor tile? Not without an abatement assessment.

Posted by: Cm9000 at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (fRU2t)

128 119 They've made Waco a tourist attraction and probably own half the town. They can afford it.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 11, 2018 05:28 PM (Y9uH4)

Don't really care if they can afford it. It's bullshit.

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (Enq6K)

129 Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:27 PM (vcOmj)

Yes that unfortunately did occur. How old was your father?

Posted by: EPA at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (ZtIV1)

130 Because removing lead paint from dwellings, e.g. by sanding or torching creates lead-containing dust and fumes, it is generally safer to seal the lead paint under new paint (excepting moveable windows and doors, which create paint dust when operated). Alternately, special precautions must be taken if the lead paint is to be removed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

It's not just a danger if you eat it. True, if left alone, the danger is minimal. But, if you are disturbing it in some way, like in a renovation, there are real dangers involved for those that breathe in the air containing any lead dust or fumes.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (pvjTE)

131 "Wouldn't it be the bee's six knees if some intrepid young reporter dug up direct, irrefutable evidence that these two and their company were targeted by the EPA because of their beliefs?
"

Better yet?

After the Supreme Court ruling on wedding cakes, have the EPA get drug into court for targeted enforcement due to Christianity.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (EyPfd)

132 Lead paint chips! My favorite snack!

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (9vQJW)

133 yo

Posted by: Sam at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (ESGEq)

134 I dunno.. I'm still trying to wrap my head around International House of Burgers. Burgers?

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (dUJdY)

135 could be worse. at least they didn't set them on fire this time.

Posted by: x at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (nFwvY)

136 128

Of course it's bullshit, but they could have fought it.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (Y9uH4)

137 basically, i'm sure contractors and renovators cheat on this stuff all the time, and i'm sure this was a targeted effort to ruin these people. not that anyone needed the additional confirmation.

Posted by: matt

_________

I'm sure they cheat on it because they know it's bullshit.

I think was a Sopranos where even the "environmental" haz mat team was just Tony Sopranos goombas taking it and dumping it on the side of the road.

Posted by: Maritime at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (lKmt3)

138 Nobody gets out alive.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:26 PM (7UW64)

This !!!!!
Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at June 11, 2018 05:29 PM (czkHE)
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Somebody should have said that.

Posted by: Jim Morrison at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (vDqXW)

139 If asbestos is so damned bad, you can bet fiberglass insulation is worse, but nobody is into that scare because of the almighty $$ of the manufacturers.

Yet. It will some day be the big lung cancer lawsuit that runs ads on TV for 20 years

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (39g3+)

140 Yes that unfortunately did occur. How old was your father?
Posted by: EPA

He was born in 1924, and died of lung cancer in 1977. There is about a 25 year incubation period for asbestos linked cancer.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (vcOmj)

141 >>>ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

now i have that song on my brain

Posted by: concrete girl at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (IVQr2)

142 I would reassign them to Gnome f*cking Alaska to do real work somewhere as they have sooo much f*cking time on their hands . . you know . . Pour encourager les autres.


Posted by: Publius Redux at June 11, 2018 05:12 PM (Fb9aZ)

Hey!

Send 'em to Russia. We don't want 'em, dammit.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (7UW64)

143 So melting lead to cast bullets is a bad thing also?

Posted by: wrg500 at June 11, 2018 05:32 PM (Bdeb0)

144 Or is this a case like Mark Steyn talks about, that laws are designed so that you will always be guilty of something? I don't presume to know anymore. I can't even make an assumption."

Let me tell you, from the perspective of someone who has redone several older buildings - I guarantee that I have violated the letter of the Federal Law on every project I have ever done. I don't think that even I could figure out how to get the job done without violating it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:32 PM (k1TUh)

145 They're trying to turn third hand smoke into a thing now, you smoke and then sit on someone's furniture then you can give them cancer.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 11, 2018 05:32 PM (6Ll1u)

146 Mr. Pruett to the white courtesy phone...

Posted by: Lures OCONUS at June 11, 2018 05:32 PM (iiixZ)

147 You mean like those twin brothers that do that house flipping remodeling stuff?

Totally gay. IMHO.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:21 PM (vcOmj)

One of them got married recently. They did a show on the reno of their house.

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2018 05:32 PM (Enq6K)

148
Yet. It will some day be the big lung cancer lawsuit that runs ads on TV for 20 years
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (39g3+)

*furiously working on inventing an insulation product derived from corn*

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 05:32 PM (BRvh1)

149 The only time I ever got audited after 30 years in business was after I beat a democrat in an election.

Amazing the democrat governor's Dept of Revenue decided to audit me three months later.

Just a consequence no doubt

Posted by: Sam at June 11, 2018 05:33 PM (ESGEq)

150 Christians cannot ever be allowed to be portrayed in a positive light. For then the peons might turn to other sources of salvation, instead of the Left.

Posted by: Iblis at June 11, 2018 05:33 PM (9221z)

151 I read somewhere that if you mapped late 20th century usage of lead in gasoline to age of criminals, the correlation was spot on. The theory that lead causes you to be dumb and violent is likely true.

But it could also be caused by disco.

Posted by: wooga at June 11, 2018 05:33 PM (Fiwz/)

152 Democrats proposed a new bill Monday on the eve of talks between President Donald Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un that would prevent the president from launching a pre-emptive strike on North Korea.
Sens. Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) introduced the bill, which would require congressional approval before any pre-emptive strike, as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

LOL
What a bunch of treacherous cock suckers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 11, 2018 05:33 PM (Lg2h/)

153 I'm sure they cheat on it because they know it's bullshit.

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Its also uneconomical.

And I'm sure no liberal would ever pay for all the real environmental costs on their home builds or renovations.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:34 PM (sX1BW)

154 The Renovation Brothers aren't gay. They're just Canadian.

Posted by: EPA at June 11, 2018 05:34 PM (ZtIV1)

155 Of course it's bullshit, but they could have fought it.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (Y9uH4)

How much would it have cost to fight the EPA? And I'm sure that's what the EPA is banking on.

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2018 05:34 PM (Enq6K)

156 142 I would reassign them to Gnome f*cking Alaska to do real work somewhere as they have sooo much f*cking time on their hands . . you know . . Pour encourager les autres.


Posted by: Publius Redux at June 11, 2018 05:12 PM (Fb9aZ)

Hey!

Send 'em to Russia. We don't want 'em, dammit.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:31 PM (7UW64)

I've only met a handful of Alaskans in my life, but not one of them was a Gnome F*cker.

honest.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 05:34 PM (BRvh1)

157 And Obama made them close down the large lead smelting plant in Missouri

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 11, 2018 05:35 PM (6Ll1u)

158 LOL

What a bunch of treacherous Stupid cock suckers


Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 11, 2018 05:33 PM (Lg2h/

FIFY

Posted by: Sam at June 11, 2018 05:35 PM (ESGEq)

159 The truth is that life will kill you.



Nobody gets out alive.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:26 PM (7UW64)


I'm under recall by my OEM.



Posted by: LGoPs at June 11, 2018 05:35 PM (FWsqf)

160 Towers had used asbestos

Standard asbestos coating not rated for 500mph aluminum scrub.

Posted by: DaveA at June 11, 2018 05:35 PM (FhXTo)

161 Democrats proposed a new bill Monday on the eve of talks between President Donald Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un that would prevent the president from launching a pre-emptive strike on North Korea.
Sens. Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) introduced the bill, which would require congressional approval before any pre-emptive strike, as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).




Pre-emptive strikes work best when politicians can go on TV and demagogue about them first

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 11, 2018 05:35 PM (SiINZ)

162  Is lead based paint one of those things like second hand smoke, where the evidence of its connection to illness are spotty at best? 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (9chmE)






If memory serves, they looked at cancer rates in cocktail waitresses. Nationwide, you can count the number of non-smoking cocktail waitresses on one hand and still have fingers left over to pick up a highball glass.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 11, 2018 05:35 PM (NmXoG)

163 So melting lead to cast bullets is a bad thing also?
Posted by: wrg500

I used to melt lead to make car body repairs. That would give me a headache.
I think the biggest thing is lead exposure for children in their formative years.
The biggest source of toxic lead is not from idiot children eating paint chips, but from lead used as an octane booster in gasoline.
You may recall that gasoline used to have tetraethyl lead as an octane booster, and that started disappearing in the late 1970's.
There is lead residue in the ground near any major street or highway. It used to be in the air, too. You can look it up.

Paint chips. Bah!

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:35 PM (vcOmj)

164 Or is this a case like Mark Steyn talks about, that laws are designed so that you will always be guilty of something? I don't presume to know anymore. I can't even make an assumption."

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Ignorance of the law is no defense only makes sense when the law was based on common sense - in other words only in a common law world.

For civil law, ignorance of stupid written law should be the basis for jury nullification.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:36 PM (sX1BW)

165 I was in Outer Banks last weekend and took the opportunity to visit the Wright Brothers Memorial in Kitty Hawk. A park ranger gave a very good presentation of the Wright brothers and spoke a lot about their hard work and dedication that made it possible. She also made a little inspirational pitch that if anybody in the crowd ever worked as hard they did to create something some day she would give a presentation about them.
Except what they did would never be permitted by the federal govt she works for. The Wright brothers would have been crushed by safety, environmental and workplace rules to name a few. Plus they dropped out of high school so they were not properly credentialed.
The Federal govt we have today would have stomped out most the innovation that happened 1800-1940. But at least we wouldn't have global warming.

Posted by: Ripley at June 11, 2018 05:36 PM (MxEKc)

166 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning



It's not just a danger if you eat it. True, if left alone, the
danger is minimal. But, if you are disturbing it in some way, like in a
renovation, there are real dangers involved for those that breathe in
the air containing any lead dust or fumes.



Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 11, 2018 05:30 PM (pvjTE)


Right. All the right people telling us the science is settled. I'm not saying it isn't, because I have no idea, but I'd be curious just how rigorous the science behind it all is.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 11, 2018 05:36 PM (9chmE)

167 I read somewhere that if you mapped late 20th century usage of lead in gasoline to age of criminals, the correlation was spot on. The theory that lead causes you to be dumb and violent is likely true.

But it could also be caused by disco.
Posted by: wooga

__________

Yea, I've seen similar things and I'm suspicious.

basically it's "poorer communities had less money to remove lead paint, ergo poor areas have more crime caused by more lead paint that caused mental illness"

Posted by: Maritime at June 11, 2018 05:37 PM (lKmt3)

168 145 They're trying to turn third hand smoke into a thing now, you smoke and then sit on someone's furniture then you can give them cancer

And yet we still have public toilets.

Posted by: wooga at June 11, 2018 05:37 PM (Fiwz/)

169 I would rather not bring up the reminder at a doctor checkup a couple of years ago he said my lungs had all kinds of clutter in them.

Posted by: Skip j at June 11, 2018 05:37 PM (pHfeF)

170 Mesothelioma from asbestos is a terrible disease, and those who suffered from it deserved their compensation. but almost every instance of mesothelioma ever recorded came from large scale industrial applications, such as the one mentioned above, and not from its use as fire blocks in residential construction.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:37 PM (k1TUh)

171 And they are going after an old battery plant in Cali because of, you guessed it... lead

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 11, 2018 05:37 PM (6Ll1u)

172 Scott Pruitt to the courtesy phone por favor.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 11, 2018 05:37 PM (89T5c)

173 One of them got married recently. They did a show on the reno of their house.
Posted by: Tami

One word: Beard.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:37 PM (vcOmj)

174 Mesothelioma from asbestos is a terrible disease, and those who suffered from it deserved their compensation.

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Too bad all the real compensation goes to the trial attorneys.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:38 PM (sX1BW)

175 I remember one time when the feds showed up in Waco. These two got off easy.

Posted by: Zombie David Koresh at June 11, 2018 05:38 PM (O5Q3r)

176 So...they are basically being fined because they didn't expose enough homosexuals to lead-based paint?

Posted by: Citizen Cake at June 11, 2018 05:38 PM (ppaKI)

177 Job's a job.
Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2018 05:19 PM


Did you know that in the story of Job is the first documented mention of chiropractic?

How do we know that Job went to a chiropractor?

Because in Job 16:12 we read, "I had come to be at ease, but he proceeded to shake me up and he grabbed me by the back of the neck and proceeded to smash me."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 11, 2018 05:38 PM (ctuyM)

178 And didn't the lead in gas provide some sort of lubricating advantage? Or help with temps?

Posted by: Lures OCONUS at June 11, 2018 05:38 PM (iiixZ)

179 God, I'd hate to have to spend all day in the Texas heat ripping apart an old house with a fucking respirator on my face.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 11, 2018 05:39 PM (aNP7B)

180 You mean like those twin brothers that do that house flipping remodeling stuff?

Totally gay.


Yeah they set off my Gaydar like Liberace dancing in a mesh halfshirt covered with rainbow sparkles, but apparently not.

I'd be curious just how rigorous the science behind it all is.

If its like Radon its crap. But yeah lead definitely is bad for you and it does nasty irreversible damage to the ol noggin.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:39 PM (39g3+)

181 And didn't the lead in gas provide some sort of lubricating advantage? Or help with temps?
Posted by: Lures OCONUS at June 11, 2018 05:38 PM (iiixZ

I kept your car from 'knocking' .

Posted by: EPA at June 11, 2018 05:39 PM (ZtIV1)

182 161 Democrats proposed a new bill Monday on the eve of talks between President Donald Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un that would prevent the president from launching a pre-emptive strike on North Korea.
Sens. Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) introduced the bill, which would require congressional approval before any pre-emptive strike, as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

In the little used Murphy-Duckworth gambit, the idea is to lure the opponent into laughing so hard they actually asphyxiate, thereby ceding control of the Queen side (and the frankly, the rest of the board at that) to White. Mate in at most four.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 05:39 PM (BRvh1)

183 179 God, I'd hate to have to spend all day in the Texas heat ripping apart an old house with a fucking respirator on my face.
Posted by: Serious Cat

And hazmat suit

Posted by: wrg500 at June 11, 2018 05:39 PM (Bdeb0)

184 I don't see that there is a problem with lead paint. My mother always gave me a special treat with lead paint chips in my Fruity Peebles and I've never development any problems. But, the LGBTQ discrimination is inexcusable, especially since I've been all five of the letters. - Chelsea Manning

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 11, 2018 05:40 PM (9BLnV)

185 151 But it could also be caused by disco.

Or maybe disco was caused by lead in gasoline.

Posted by: OCBill at June 11, 2018 05:40 PM (df+Zi)

186 Joanna Gaines (I keep wanting to type "Gainz") has a beautiful life style magazine out, "Magnolia" - something.

The latest issue has her on the cover showing her punishment belly.


Such a sweet, lovely family.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2018 05:40 PM (ptqGC)

187 God, I'd hate to have to spend all day in the Texas heat ripping apart an old house with a fucking respirator on my face.

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Much better to kill you now from heat exhaustion than save you from potential suffering 40 years later.

Posted by: SH at June 11, 2018 05:40 PM (sX1BW)

188 Too bad all the real compensation goes to the trial attorneys.
Posted by: SH

Uh, I think that was the plan all along.

Do you actually know any PI (personal injury) Lawyers? Like those guys that advertise on TV?

Lowest form of scum on earth.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:40 PM (vcOmj)

189 And didn't the lead in gas provide some sort of lubricating advantage? Or help with temps?

It gave more oomph to your engine, greater horsepower. But it was bad news, the sides of roads were basically being slowly coated with lead.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:41 PM (39g3+)

190 Black Mold!

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 11, 2018 05:41 PM (QLvwG)

191 160 Towers had used asbestos

Standard asbestos coating not rated for 500mph aluminum scrub.


Posted by: DaveA at June 11, 2018 05:35 PM (FhXTo)

IIRC, the Towers used an older version of what is euphemistically referred to as "flung dung," a fire-proofing cementious coating on steel that can hold up for about an hour, preventing the steel from reaching yield point. Without it, they would have come down much faster.

We still use that stuff, but without the asbestos fibers. It's a cheap, common way to protect steel construction.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:41 PM (7UW64)

192 Is lead based paint one of those things like second
hand smoke, where the evidence of its connection to illness are spotty
at best?
Posted by: BurtTC at June 11, 2018 05:16 PM (9chmE)




If memory serves, they looked at cancer rates in cocktail
waitresses. Nationwide, you can count the number of non-smoking cocktail
waitresses on one hand and still have fingers left over to pick up a
highball glass.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 11, 2018 05:35 PM (NmXoG)


So in other words, for all we know, getting pinched in the tush thousands of times might cause cancer.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 11, 2018 05:41 PM (9chmE)

193
190 Black Mold!


Posted by: Count de Monet at June 11, 2018 05:41 PM (QLvwG)


Racist.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:42 PM (7UW64)

194 Lowest form of scum on earth.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:40 PM


Preach it, brother!

Posted by: Congresspersons and Used Care Salespersons at June 11, 2018 05:42 PM (ctuyM)

195 You know, doesn't the B in LBQWERTY imply 2 genders? Bisexual?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:42 PM (39g3+)

196

EPA extorts normals now, eh?

Great. Just great.

I miss the old days when my government wasn't coming at me for something and just left me alone.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 11, 2018 05:42 PM (HaL55)

197 ''118 Jesus Juan drop dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup ''

I was excitedly scrolling up and up looking for a poster with the nic "Jesus Juan" and what he said to make you so mad when the "Duh" moment hit. ''Oh, that Juan.'' LOL

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:43 PM (jm1YL)

198 But, the LGBTQ discrimination is inexcusable, especially since I've been all five of the letters. - Chelsea Manning

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 11, 2018 05:40 PM (9BLnV)

I'm thinking she must have put it in your alphabet soup.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:43 PM (7UW64)

199 And didn't the lead in gas provide some sort of lubricating advantage? Or help with temps?

Posted by: Lures OCONUS at June 11, 2018 05:38 PM (iiixZ)

Yes, the valve guides and seals loved lead.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 11, 2018 05:43 PM (QLvwG)

200 Right. All the right people telling us the science is settled. I'm not saying it isn't, because I have no idea, but I'd be curious just how rigorous the science behind it all is. "

One of the biggest scandals in science today, that is NOT being talked about because a lot of people will lose a lot of money if it is talked about, is what is known as the Reproducibility Crisis.

If you remember basic Scientific Method, when someone does a study or experiment, anyone else is supposed to be able to go out and do that study or experiment in the same way and reproduce the same results. (within a margin of error of course) That is supposed to be the test to determine whether or not the result was actually scientifically verified.

Multiple sources that have tried checking this out have found the more than 2/3 of the studies done today, including those used to determine the effectiveness of prescription drugs, are NOT reproducible. Put in laymans terms, 2/3 of what we think of as verified science today is complete garbage.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:43 PM (k1TUh)

201 >>>Black Mold!


I believe the politically-correct term is Fungal-Americans.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (ppaKI)

202 My idea of hell - insulating an attic with fiberglass in Texas in July.

Posted by: Archer at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (gmo/4)

203 Coming into this late...

"The EPA says the program didn't show the Gaineses and others taking proper precautions..."


So if I read this correctly, the FedGov and EPA now have authority over what can and cannot be shown in the program? Are they now censors?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (0tfLf)

204 And didn't the lead in gas provide some sort of lubricating advantage? Or help with temps?
Posted by: Lures OCONUS

Yes. The lead lubricated the valves and valve seats. When the lead went away, the engine valves started failing at an alarming rate.
So the auto companies had to re-tool and use much harder steel for the valves and valve seats. They switched to Stellite, which was an alloy used in piston powered fighter planes in WWII.
Just like the sulfur in diesel used to lubricate the diesel engines in a subtle way, and when auto diesel was greatly reduced, there were real engine problems that had to be resolved, because of low sulfur diesel fuel.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (vcOmj)

205 I've been a fan of the Gaines since the start of their show. I have most likely seen every episode, plus I subscribe to their magazine and read Joanna's online blog.

Chip is a licensed contractor, and a real estate broker, he and Joanna own five real estate offices in the Waco/Central Texas area. They are currently developing a new subdivision in Waco with new builds. They've remodeled/rebuilt almost 200 homes in the 15 years they have been in business.

I"ve seen some episodes in the early years of the show in which Chip and his crews are tearing out drywall, sledgehammering two by four walls, out, etc. with no dust masks, often no eye protection and sometimes no gloves. In the last two seasons, I've noticed a lot more safety equipment , although still not over the top.

It seems like a lot of the homes they remodel for people are vacant, one was slated for demolition and one was on a ranch being reworked for the grandkids. They literally tear most of these homes out to the exterior walls. They bring in outside contractors, to do most of the skilled trades, etc. Most of their redos involved engineers, etc. because Joanna always wants to tear out load supporting walls.

The Gaines have remodeled homes for single moms, black families, Hispanic families, a missionary couple, a bachelor, a widow, etc. They did a remodel last year for a couple whose adopted children have life limiting diseases and were sponsored by Tim Tebow.

Their requirements to hire them as contractors include a clause that the project cannot be located more than 30 minutes from Waco and proof of finance approval has to be in place. That is going to streamline a lot of people. They only did 10 or 12 episodes a year, which again cuts back on how many people they can work for

.I've read articles in which there are people in Waco who are unhappy with the "gentrification" of Waco due to the Gaines' projects, who complain about home prices rising, etc. And then there is the gay mafia who I'm sure wanted to see them attacked in a more direct way than just an online complaint.

Chip was sued several years ago by his old partner whom he bought out just prior to the show starting. Partner said Chip never told him about the show, I'm not sure where that lawsuit stands. Possibly he could have been one source for reporting to the EPA.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (zoxeL)

206 I read somewhere that if you mapped late 20th century usage of lead in gasoline to age of criminals, the correlation was spot on. The theory that lead causes you to be dumb and violent is likely true.

But it could also be caused by disco.
Posted by: wooga at June 11, 2018 05:33 PM (Fiwz/)


There is an old post here about the liberal pundit Kevin Drum was highlighting this research. An interesting theory but its been like ten years and I wonder if it holds up today.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (aNP7B)

207 One of the biggest scandals in science today, that is NOT being talked about because a lot of people will lose a lot of money if it is talked about, is what is known as the Reproducibility Crisis.

Yeah I saw an article that had a ridiculously high percentage of peer-reviewed scientific articles that this group looked over but could not reproduce. Like 70% or more. There's a serious, serious problem here

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:45 PM (39g3+)

208 I don't recall in the movie TOP Gun where they recovered the debris of destroyed aircraft so all that toxic material must still be there. Also, since the character, Goose, was killed in the movie then it is safe to assume the actor playing Goose is dead and a murder investigation should be opened. Once Goose died we never saw him again...

Posted by: American at June 11, 2018 05:45 PM (EiMfo)

209 ''Joanna Gaines (I keep wanting to type "Gainz") has a beautiful life style magazine out, "Magnolia" - something.''

I subscribe to it. Quality magazine. I guess her cookbook is good also.

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:45 PM (jm1YL)

210 Our transfer station will not take housing debris without an inspection confirming no lead or asbestos. We took a small piece of new formica and were told that they wouldn't take our load of household garbage without us removing it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 11, 2018 05:46 PM (Lqy/e)

211 You know, doesn't the B in LBQWERTY imply 2 genders? Bisexual?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:42 PM (39g3+)
---
I've got the cure.

Posted by: Lando! at June 11, 2018 05:46 PM (vDqXW)

212 (maybe someone's already said this, I don't know how to read, only comment)

So.......if they had shown whatever the Requisite Number of Gay Couples was at the time, now that this story is breaking, would there now be accusations that they were *gasp* trying to injure / poison / KILL the gay couples???

Maybe the Alphabet Legion should be thankful that they weren't being subjected to this Reality Show of Death and Sicknesses?

*pfft!* Nah.

Posted by: reason at June 11, 2018 05:46 PM (l2max)

213 Lead, it's what's for progressives.

I now denounce myself.

Posted by: Lures OCONUS at June 11, 2018 05:46 PM (iiixZ)

214 Chip and Joanna == hyper-entrepreneurs

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 11, 2018 05:46 PM (aNP7B)

215 When I was a kid, we froze lead paint chips in paste to create a refreshing summer treat. My favorite flavor was Dutch Boy's White Lead.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 11, 2018 05:46 PM (LgxQn)

216 >>>195 You know, doesn't the B in LBQWERTY imply 2 genders? Bisexual?

Sure, but two doesn't mean there aren't more.
Just because I'll fuck a bicycle doesn't mean I'll fuck a half-track.

Posted by: wooga at June 11, 2018 05:47 PM (Fiwz/)

217 Uh....

Wasn't there supposed to be hearings on the IG report today???

Posted by: Don Q at June 11, 2018 05:47 PM (NgKpN)

218 A whole lot of schools still have asbestos, fiber-glass and lead. We'd all be dead if it was as bad as they'd have you think.

Posted by: Cm9000 at June 11, 2018 05:47 PM (fRU2t)

219 Isn't lead poisoning attributed as a factor for the fall of the Roman empire and the craziness of a few of their Emperors?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 11, 2018 05:47 PM (UBzPO)

220 ''Joanna Gaines (I keep wanting to type "Gainz") has a beautiful life style magazine out, "Magnolia" - something.''



I subscribe to it. Quality magazine. I guess her cookbook is good also.



Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:45 PM (jm1YL)


I recently bought her cookbook (like I need another cookbook). It's beautiful and has some great recipes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2018 05:47 PM (ptqGC)

221 AFAIK, the term "LGBTQ(etc.)" is rapidly falling out of favor among Our Betters in the Ivory Towers.

The grunts and peasants toiling in the fields are being rather slow to catch up, however, which I can only hope leads to hilarious results for the jackbooted Gaystapo bastards who have done not one damned thing to actually help a single homosexual in their entire wretched lives.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 05:47 PM (BRvh1)

222 My idea of hell - insulating an attic with fiberglass in Texas in July.
Posted by: Archer at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (gmo/4)

Installing WAPs on the ceiling of a metal warehouse 3 stories up on a scissor lift. In July. With no AC. That was a miserable job.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at June 11, 2018 05:48 PM (O9qtX)

223 Top Gun 2: Goose is reconstructed like Robocop, and now Tom Cruise and Val Kilmer must team up to defeat Flying Robogoose.

Posted by: wooga at June 11, 2018 05:49 PM (Fiwz/)

224 We recently purchased several lovely pieces of furniture from their Magnolia line, including something called a "bunching cabinet". We really like them and they look great in the house. Solid construction.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at June 11, 2018 05:50 PM (MX7xj)

225 I guess there are TV's in the hallways for when employees are taking a dump. That's just good business practice from an HR perspective.

Posted by: t-bird at June 11, 2018 05:50 PM (LUV9/)

226 >>>Raked by the Leftwing Last Year For Not Featuring Enough Gay Couples (in Waco, Texas) on Their Show

Imagine a bakery that was targeted by the leftist outrage industry, not for refusing to bake a gay cake, but merely because they set up a hidden cam and didn't observe any obviously gay couples mince into the store. This is getting out of hand. Obviously, they can't go around pleading with homosexuals to appear on their show.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 11, 2018 05:50 PM (/qEW2)

227 Some of the drug ads don't even bother to claim they definitely work.Like the one for Fibromyalgia(which they don't know what even causes it)the drug is "believed" to prevent something that is "believed" to cause the pain of fibromyalgia...

Posted by: steevy at June 11, 2018 05:50 PM (LiyEm)

228 I don't recall in the movie TOP Gun where they
recovered the debris of destroyed aircraft so all that toxic material
must still be there. Also, since the character, Goose, was killed in the
movie then it is safe to assume the actor playing Goose is dead and a
murder investigation should be opened. Once Goose died we never saw him
again...

Posted by: American at June 11, 2018 05:45 PM (EiMfo)

See replays of Revenge of the Nerds or re-runs of ER. But Goose in Mad Max is most sincerely and truly cooked.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 11, 2018 05:51 PM (QLvwG)

229 222 My idea of hell - insulating an attic with fiberglass in Texas in July.
Posted by: Archer at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (gmo/4)

Installing WAPs on the ceiling of a metal warehouse 3 stories up on a scissor lift. In July. With no AC. That was a miserable job.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at June 11, 2018 05:48 PM


Taking sniper fire while landing in bosnia.

Posted by: Hillz at June 11, 2018 05:51 PM (0tfLf)

230 Once Goose died we never saw had a gander of him again...
Posted by: American at June 11, 2018 05:45 PM


FIFY.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 11, 2018 05:51 PM (ctuyM)

231 Hell, I learned about the scientific method in grammar school for crying out loud. If there is no reproducibility, there are no results to claim. Period.

The people that have been in control of our education system for the last 50 years are domestic enemies and have much to answer for. Grand theft of a nation for one.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 11, 2018 05:51 PM (FWsqf)

232 Partner said Chip never told him about the show, I'm not sure where that lawsuit stands. Possibly he could have been one source for reporting to the EPA.


Posted by: Jen the original at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (zoxeL)

I can believe that, because when I was "let go" from the soap factory, I called the City inspectors on that rat-trap of a building. They were finally cited for the electrical disasters, leaky roof, completely inadequate heating system, and utterly crappy plumbing, not to mention the exits blocked with "storage."

I rather enjoyed that.

But then I had to go to confession....

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:51 PM (7UW64)

233 Shiplap!!!!!

Posted by: (because apparently nobody has said "Shiplap" yet) at June 11, 2018 05:51 PM (BRvh1)

234 ''It seems like a lot of the homes they remodel for people are vacant, one was slated for demolition and one was on a ranch being reworked for the grandkids. They literally tear most of these homes out to the exterior walls. They bring in outside contractors, to do most of the skilled trades, etc. Most of their redos involved engineers, etc. because Joanna always wants to tear out load supporting walls. ''

They make sure to feature those skilled tradesmen they use frequently. I like how they promote the locals.

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:52 PM (jm1YL)

235 Democrats proposed a new bill Monday on the eve of talks between President Donald Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un that would prevent the president from launching a pre-emptive strike on North Korea.
Sens. Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) introduced the bill, which would require congressional approval before any pre-emptive strike, as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).


this is so insane, where do you begin to even respond?

the timing
the dipshit idea
the traitorous backstabbing
the desperation...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 11, 2018 05:52 PM (fceHP)

236 oh gawd, I finally read the article which listed some of the remedial steps that the Gaines are being require to do. Tell me if this isn't some bureaucratic bullshit:

"The conditions of the settlement dictate that Magnolia must adopt new record-keeping processes, and must make a video featuring Chip Gaines discussing lead paint and the importance of complying with Federal rules."

I wonder if he also has to wear a red ball on his nose, ride a unicycle, and call himself "Nancy".

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:52 PM (k1TUh)

237 the Stanford Prison experiment was bullshit. the Kallikak Family Tree was bullshit. Stereotype Threat is bullshit. Lewontin and Gould were frauds. Freud was a fraud as a psychologist (interestingly, he has been vindicated as a Biblical scholar... I don't get it either)

yes, behavioral and (early) cognitive sciences are total balls and need to be redone. and don't get me started on anthro.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 11, 2018 05:53 PM (5C+G3)

238
Uh....



Wasn't there supposed to be hearings on the IG report today???





Posted by: Don Q at June 11, 2018 05:47 PM (NgKpN)

yeah, we forgot too much lead when we were kids.

Posted by: Archer at June 11, 2018 05:53 PM (gmo/4)

239

6:03AM Singapore

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 11, 2018 05:53 PM (fceHP)

240 Are these regulations reasonable? (ie. like a food inspector saying no rats in the kitchen)
------------------------
Screw you.

Posted by: Remy of Ratatouille at June 11, 2018 05:53 PM (0jtPF)

241 Top Gun 2: Goose is reconstructed like Robocop, and now Tom Cruise and Val Kilmer must team up to defeat Flying Robogoose.

Posted by: wooga at June 11, 2018 05:49 PM (Fiwz/)

Mad Maverick: The two Gooses are combined into a SuperGoose with extraordinary powers to lawless scags and Mach 3 rooskies.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 11, 2018 05:54 PM (QLvwG)

242 AFAIK, the term "LGBTQ(etc.)" is rapidly falling out of favor among Our Betters in the Ivory Towers.

The new term is LGBTBBQWTF, if I'm not mistaken. Pronounced "Fuckedinthehead".

Posted by: LGoPs at June 11, 2018 05:54 PM (FWsqf)

243 Taking sniper fire while landing in bosnia.
Posted by: Hillz at June 11, 2018 05:51 PM (0tfLf)

Hey, that's not fair.

I'm sure Hillary took a lot of shots while she was there.

(of slivo...)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 05:54 PM (BRvh1)

244 227 Some of the drug ads don't even bother to claim they definitely work.Like the one for Fibromyalgia(which they don't know what even causes it)the drug is "believed" to prevent something that is "believed" to cause the pain of fibromyalgia...

Posted by: steevy at June 11, 2018 05:50 PM (LiyEm)


Anybody who claims to understand the human brain is a liar. And yet, I take meds to handle my brain function daily. Nobody knows how they work or why, just that they do, for some people.

Some things are going to avoid understanding until we are in heaven.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:54 PM (7UW64)

245 Democrats proposed a new bill Monday on the eve
of talks between President Donald Trump and North Korean dictator Kim
Jong-un that would prevent the president from launching a pre-emptive
strike on North Korea.

Sens. Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) introduced the
bill, which would require congressional approval before any pre-emptive
strike, as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act
(NDAA).



this is so insane, where do you begin to even respond?



the timing

the dipshit idea

the traitorous backstabbing

the desperation...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 11, 2018 05:52 PM (fceHP)

I'll take dipshit idea for $500 Alex.

Posted by: Archer at June 11, 2018 05:54 PM (gmo/4)

246 235 Democrats proposed a new bill Monday on the eve of talks between President Donald Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un that would prevent the president from launching a pre-emptive strike on North Korea.
Sens. Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) introduced the bill, which would require congressional approval before any pre-emptive strike, as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

this is so insane, where do you begin to even respond?

the timing
the dipshit idea
the traitorous backstabbing
the desperation...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 11, 2018 05:52 PM



Traitorous pretty much sums it up.


Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2018 05:54 PM (0tfLf)

247 If there is one thing we have, it is a paucity of gays represented on our TV shows.

Posted by: Cm9000 at June 11, 2018 05:54 PM (fRU2t)

248 but I'd be curious just how rigorous the science behind it all is. "

Try "non existent"

As a few here know (hey, look - another benzene ring! Yay!), there are a few of us with at least a passing relationship with organic chemistry (there's even a couple of advanced degree morons as well).
Every one of us would tell you that the various "studies" have little to no relationship to the actual chemical science they pretend to portray.
Why, you ask? Because they're not trying to be accurate, they're trying to "change things" or "make a point" (or a buck).

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 11, 2018 05:55 PM (7LY+6)

249 They make sure to feature those skilled tradesmen they use frequently. I like how they promote the locals.

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:52 PM (jm1YL)


I love the guy who made custom tables and did woodwork for Joanne.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 11, 2018 05:55 PM (ptqGC)

250 Shiplap!!!!!

French doors!!!!!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:55 PM (39g3+)

251 I wonder if he also has to wear a red ball on his nose, ride a unicycle, and call himself "Nancy".
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:52 PM (k1TUh)

Oh, jeez. Forget the strong arm of the law. Chip Gaines would do that if you bet him a twenty that he wouldn't.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 05:55 PM (BRvh1)

252 this is so insane, where do you begin to even respond?

the timing
the dipshit idea
the traitorous backstabbing
the desperation...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 11, 2018 05:52 PM (fceHP)
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Putin hacked our Congressional brain.

Posted by: Guy who says Putin at June 11, 2018 05:56 PM (vDqXW)

253 Uh....



Wasn't there supposed to be hearings on the IG report today???


*snore* who's there?! *eventually resumes snoring*

Posted by: Jeff Sessionszzz... at June 11, 2018 05:56 PM (V+k34)

254
They said Kim Jung Un was out on the town last night. Can you imagine what he is thinking seeing a booming, exciting city?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 11, 2018 05:56 PM (fceHP)

255 The two Gooses are combined into a SuperGoose"

Heh. Read that as "Spruce Goose"...

But I'm like what, 29?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 11, 2018 05:56 PM (7LY+6)

256 just don't spend too much time huffing the esters at the chem lab, Anon. even if they do remind you of the Applebees fruity cocktails. we have all seen the results

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 11, 2018 05:56 PM (5C+G3)

257 ''6:03AM Singapore''

And PDT has been up for a couple of hours already.

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:57 PM (jm1YL)

258 So, this weekend, the Anchorage Public Library had a "Drag Queen story time" for the kids. A truly noxious event that is apparently all the rage across the country.

So, one lone nut showed up and told them that there is no such thing as a "transsexual."

And, while he was correct, he is also a loon, so the local newsies promoted the story to show how crazy people who object are.

And still, there is no such thing.

My question is, if gender is not a defined thing, how can you be sure you are of the opposite gender? And do Drag Queens dress like women, and if so, what defines that, precisely? Because no drag queen I've ever seen dresses like any woman I've ever been or known.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 11, 2018 05:57 PM (7UW64)

259 One of them got married recently. They did a show on the reno of their house.
Posted by: Tami

One word: Beard.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at June 11, 2018 05:37 PM (vcOmj)

Nope,
Drew Scott married Linda Phan recently in Italy after dating , then living together for almost eight years. Jonathan, the other twin, was married for almost seven years, but divorced about ten years ago and just recently split up with another girlfriend.

Both are Canadian , they grew up on a ranch, Drew is a licensed realtor and Jonathan is a licensed contractor with a degree in construction and design.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 11, 2018 05:57 PM (zoxeL)

260 Chip Gaines would do that if you bet him a twenty that he wouldn't.

And he wouldn't even need someone to hold his beer

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 05:57 PM (39g3+)

261 that would prevent the president from launching a pre-emptive strike on North Korea.
Sens. Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) introduced the bill, which would require congressional approval before any pre-emptive strike, as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).


Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 11, 2018 05:33 PM (Lg2h/)

So they have no confidence in our intelligence community, either.

Posted by: golfman at June 11, 2018 05:57 PM (If3tB)

262 Sens. Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) introduced the bill

Not a whiff of collusion there!

Posted by: t-bird at June 11, 2018 05:57 PM (V+k34)

263 257 ''6:03AM Singapore''

And PDT has been up for a couple of hours already.
Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:57 PM (jm1YL)

Trump doesn't get jet lag.

Air Force One gets Trump lag.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 05:58 PM (BRvh1)

264 New gameshow idea :Gay or Canadian!(of course they could be both)

Posted by: steevy at June 11, 2018 05:58 PM (LiyEm)

265 ...
Chip is a licensed contractor, and a real estate broker, he and Joanna own five real estate offices in the Waco/Central Texas area. They are currently developing a new subdivision in Waco with new builds. They've remodeled/rebuilt almost 200 homes in the 15 years they have been in business.
...
Posted by: Jen the original at June 11, 2018 05:44 PM (zoxeL)
So they're turning it into ... Gainesville?

Don't worry, I'll be here all week.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 11, 2018 05:58 PM (I2dne)

266 I got your lead paint right here, you fucking animals!

Posted by: Bobby Dinero at June 11, 2018 05:59 PM (J7XgW)

267
I vow, right here and now, I will punch Robert Deniro in the face, at least once, if I EVER see him.

I'll take the assault & battery charges and whatever may come.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at June 11, 2018 05:59 PM (0g+ZS)

268 nood

Posted by: LGoPs at June 11, 2018 05:59 PM (FWsqf)

269 And PDT has been up for a couple of hours already.

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 05:57 PM (jm1YL)
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Or several diet cokes.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2018 05:59 PM (vDqXW)

270 I wonder if he also has to wear a red ball on his nose, ride a unicycle, and call himself "Nancy".

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 05:52 PM (k1TUh)

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No, no, no. This is serious stuff. Clown nose = OFF.

Posted by: John Stewart at June 11, 2018 06:00 PM (l2max)

271 So Chip Gaines, Phil Robertson, Sig Hansen, Ted Nugent, and Todd Palin walk into a bar . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 11, 2018 06:00 PM (QLvwG)

272 I've been to Waco - gentrification is not a word I'd use to describe the place.

Posted by: Archer at June 11, 2018 06:00 PM (gmo/4)

273 ''I love the guy who made custom tables and did woodwork for Joanne.''

And Jimmy Don who makes custom metal signs for her.

I'm sure all those local guys who get a little TV time just love her.

Posted by: Tuna at June 11, 2018 06:00 PM (jm1YL)

274 So they're turning it into ... Gainesville?

Pretty much, they have a really neat ranch too. From what I can see on TV great kids too. I get a weird vibe off Joanna but Chip seems like a great guy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 06:00 PM (39g3+)

275 MiL scheduled for surgery at 4PM PT, for bleeding brain tumor, just discovered. We would appreciate all the prayers and thoughts you can spare.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 11, 2018 06:00 PM (gTYjx)

276 special report just highlighted this tweet

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump
5m5 minutes ago

The fact that I am having a meeting is a major loss for the U.S., say the haters and losers. We have our hostages, testing, research and all missile launches have stopped, and these pundits, who have called me wrong from the beginning, have nothing else they can say! We will be fine!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 11, 2018 06:00 PM (fceHP)

277 I vow, right here and now, I will punch Robert Deniro in the face, at least once, if I EVER see him.

I'll take the assault & battery charges and whatever may come.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at June 11, 2018 05:59 PM (0g+ZS)

I have two lists i keep of celebrities:

The first is a list of celebrities I would offer a million dollars to for the chance to punch them in the the mouth just once without them filing charges.

The second is a list of celebrities I would just do the time for.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2018 06:01 PM (BRvh1)

278 Let me tell you how to get a new super expensive, and super profitable prescription drug approved. You first come up with your new wonder drug in the lab, which you hope is going to target some new profitable niche market. Then, you initiate 5 different studies, all independent of each other. Odds are they'll come out differently. You keep careful track of how they are progressing. After enough time has passed that you can tell where they're going to go, you terminate the 4 that show your drug doesn't do anything, BEFORE the finl results are ready, so that no one can say you "hid the results". In actual fact, there are no official results, ever. Then you take the one that actually showed some minimal effect of your new drug, take it to the FDA, and say "See! We Proved it Works! If you approve it, we'll give you a seat on our board of directors next year!"

And the FDA says "wow, that is a good deal, approved!!!"

and that's how it all works these days.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2018 06:01 PM (k1TUh)

279 Nood.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 11, 2018 06:01 PM (gTYjx)

280 IG report release expected June 14, I think. There have been several delays. Various committees will get in the act of doing hearings on it thereafter.


There is no press, aside from a handful of people there is no GOP (effectively, on this central issue) in Congress. And half the country is dumbed down beyond recognition, and in various states of delusion or hysteria about Trump (still).


So yes by the far the greatest scandal is US history (any component of those now being investigated qualifies, as did the IRS scandal, which will go unpunished) will get less attention than a celebrity suicide.


But indictments are likely to follow, and those will get some attention.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2018 06:06 PM (QDnY+)

281 Todays WTFO
Marlo Mack produces How to Be a Girl, a podcast about life with her transgender daughter M. Through stories on everything from what it was like when other moms at school found out a girl in class had a penis to how she told her child she may not ever be a biological mother

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 11, 2018 06:08 PM (JFO2v)

282 3 Uh....



Wasn't there supposed to be hearings on the IG report today???
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UHHHH is today the 18th ??

Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 11, 2018 06:08 PM (y3aQB)

283 The Trump Doctrine is, Were America, Bitch. Thats the Trump Doctrine

I need that on a hat

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 11, 2018 06:09 PM (JFO2v)

284 They are currently developing a new subdivision in Waco with new builds. They've remodeled/rebuilt almost 200 homes in the 15 years they have been in business.

They didn't build that.

Posted by: Barky Hussein at June 11, 2018 06:10 PM (LUV9/)

285 Drew Scott married Linda Phan recently in Italy after dating , then living together for almost eight years.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 11, 2018 05:57 PM (zoxeL)

The Scotts wore their family kilts for the ceremony and looked awesome. Yes, I watched the show. It was late.
Nothing else was on. Tissues were nearby. Not gonna lie!

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 11, 2018 06:15 PM (GzDYP)

286 Re: Brothers Wright

For many years, the Smithsonian insisted that its superintendent, Langley, had beaten the Wrights into the air. Which is why the Wright Flyer spent many years in London, and only returned to the US with the outbreak of WWII.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 11, 2018 06:28 PM (rwVFm)

287 So they're turning it into ... Gainesville?



Pretty much, they have a really neat ranch too. From what I can see
on TV great kids too. I get a weird vibe off Joanna but Chip seems
like a great guy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 11, 2018 06:00 PM (39g3+)

It's her love of shiplap isn't it? Go ahead... you can admit it!

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 11, 2018 06:30 PM (imSgd)

288 I love Chip and Joanna. I love that they are normal and that the interact with their kids the way they do. And I especially love that they seem to adore each other.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 11, 2018 06:32 PM (imSgd)

289 I have long wondered why the EPA didn't go after the renovation shows for not properly handling lead paint. The EPA regs are very demanding. The easiest thing is to just paint over the lead paint, but if you're disturbing more than 3 square feet (I think, check the regs!), you have to go through all these crazy steps like put a plastic tarp down on the floor, seal off the room, seal off the HVAC ducts, take down the wall or whatever, then roll up the tarp making sure none of the dust escapes, and take it to a toxic waste disposal place. I have never seen a show on HGTV go through all of that.

Posted by: biancaneve at June 11, 2018 06:37 PM (A/iod)

290 "No one could possibly know all the federal regulations surrounding lead paint removal"

Actually, no, if you're a contractor or remodeler or a real estate agent you should definitely know the regs about lead paint. The average homeowner wouldn't necessarily know, and that is why the average homeowner is exempt and can disturb more than 3 square feet of surface with lead paint all to their heart's content. But contractors and modelers are expected to know this. The regs may be excessive, but they are a big freaking deal to people in the real estate and home remodeling business.

Posted by: biancaneve at June 11, 2018 06:45 PM (A/iod)

291 Regarding "Asbestos"
Most folk do not understand that there are TWO (commonly encountered) utterly different materials called "Asbestos". There are actually at least SIX different materials, all carrying the name "asbestos".

One type in common use has a soft, almost silky fibre and the other has short hard fibres. Both are "heat resistant", but only one can cause "asbestosis".
The "soft", slky stuff, is chrysotile asbestos and has soft, slightly curly fibres which actually degrade if ingested, is amphibole asbestos.

The nasty, spikey stuff is amphibole asbestos, the fibres of which are NOT degraded / disolved in bodily fluids thus remain a long term hazard.
How did materials with quite different physical and chemical properties get the same name? Who knows?
But, as one expects these days, a HUGE industry (government certified and licensed, of course) has grown up around "asbestos disposal.
Lead-based paints are ONLY a problem if you cheerfully sand them back without wearing appropriate filters / masks. Sanding back ANY paint, timber etc. is fraught with hazards, just on the dust (non-lead) alone. The Dust from certain species of timber is also "toxic". Trees ALL do that to some extent to ward off parasites; some take it to extremes.
It's probably a good thing these EPA clowns will never discover that a prodicious amount od pale green paint was traditionally used inside "government buildings, like offices and schools. The green comes from the Arsenic-based pigment. Then again, maybe "wall-licking" is where all this started....most of them had desks too far from the (lead-glass) windows.

Posted by: Bruce at June 11, 2018 10:12 PM (7rlrd)

292 Lead paint? yada yada yada! Lesson learned. Gay couples?? What percentage of the home buying population would that be?

Posted by: Don_in_Odessa at June 12, 2018 05:07 AM (gIxhm)

293 We watch a lot of the programs on HGTV and I'll submit that the other programs more than make up for any lack of LBGTQ or other diversity couples on the Gaines's program.

Posted by: Henry Lee at June 12, 2018 07:52 AM (ZaZvt)

Posted by: RonF at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (l8nW6)

295 My wife loves watching all these home improvement shows. I have often comments while watching them "Is every third couple buying a home in America gay or lesbian?" It's ridiculous. Has it occurred to people that there just aren't that many homosexual couples out buying homes in Waco, Texas (and want to rehab one - they don't do new homes)?

Posted by: RonF at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (l8nW6)

296 For those of you asking "How can they tell?", one thing you're supposed to do is put screens over all the floor drains to keep lead paint chips from going into the sewers. Someone noticed that there weren't any screens on the floor drains, and it went from there.

Posted by: RonF at June 12, 2018 08:32 PM (l8nW6)

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