Fusion Co-Founders Glenn Simpson and Jonathan Winer Refused to Talk to IG;
James Comey and Former FBI Attorney James Baker Also Avoided Fully Testifying

Specifically, Comey and Baker refused to get recertified for a classification clearance, thus blocking the IG's efforts to "refresh their recollection" with classified documents.

"Refreshing a witness' recollection" by showing him documents is a common thing at trials and in investigations.

But sometimes witnesses lie about events, and sometimes lie about having no recollection of certain critical details. James Comey, for example, has a steel-trap recall as to things he wants to claim to his media and government coconspirators, but has all sorts of convenient memory lapses about stuff that could get him into legal trouble.

So the IG wanted to "refresh his recollection" about this convenient periods of Lost Time by showing him classified documents and notes that would explain exactly who he talked to and when he talked to them and what he said to them.

Rather than agreeing to do this, Comey said, "Nah, I decline to get new clearance to see classified material," thus preventing the IG from "refreshing his recollection."

Had he been confronted with a lie about a convenient lack of memory with a document that explained exactly what happened, he would have had to make a choice between telling the truth, or doubling down on his lie even in the face of a documentary record "reminding" him of the truth.

Now, one can get out of a lot of perjury charges by claiming one just didn't remember right, but if someone shows you documentary evidence about what the facts are and you still claim you don't remember, or you remember a version of the story at variance with the written contemporaneous record...?

Well, that makes it much harder to plead "no intent" to a perjury charge.

And so Comey -- the Straight Arrow Truth Teller -- choose to avoid such efforts to get at the truth and keep himself without a security clearance.

For whatever reason, he did not want his recollections to be refreshed.

What is that the Democrats (by which I mean "the media") say whenever a Trump associate declines to testify...?

"The only reason to not testify is because you're guilty."

Hm, why does that rule never seem to apply to Glenn Simpson, James Comey, and the rest of the Straight Shooters Gang?



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Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 09, 2019 05:57 PM (G546f)

2 So this is good news, right?

Posted by: Iris at December 09, 2019 05:58 PM (lSFe/)

3 I just gotta a feeling this is not going to end well.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2019 05:58 PM (axyOa)

4 'Tis the season to get Ace some manscaping and a new set of shelves.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:58 PM (1CjJc)

5 Nothing like a built in dodge to avoid answering uncomfortable questions.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (qC1Sy)

6 Staying in my happy place, hoping that Barr will actually prosecute. 3AM roundup optional.

Posted by: Iris at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (lSFe/)

7 Well, maybe Brennan and Clapper can be called in and have their memories "refreshed."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (qC1Sy)

8 How is the Horde? Crushed, devastated, sickened? By the Horowitz report, not by Star Wars. To clarify.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (90T4r)

9 I'm becoming a big fan and supporter of rendition. I think it would be good for their souls.


Where does a future criminal go to get these kinds of special protections -- I mean outside of the feral government?

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 06:00 PM (+jo58)

10 I hear there are lists. Check them twice.


Posted by: nip at December 09, 2019 06:00 PM (Izot6)

11 So the IG report is incomplete because they can only interview people who are employees, those who are already gone (the major players in the Russian Collusion) can decline it.


Not surprising the conclusions they had were what they were.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (0QYMt)

12 Did Anyone expect anything differently? Anyone? This is government. Investigating government.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (90T4r)

13 Fusion Co-Founders Glenn Simpson and Jonathan Winer Refused to Talk to IG;
James Comey and Former FBI Attorney James Baker Also Avoided Fully Testifying



Then AG Barr, it's up to you.

Bwahahahahahahaha.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (fXB+v)

14 Couldn't the President have declassified the docs the IG wanted to use?

Posted by: Frasier Crane at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (dmYb7)

15 I'd refuse, too. I don't hold this against them.

Why they haven't been subpoenaed to testify, though, is beyond me. Except for corruption, I guess.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (I2dne)

16 Great Americans....right there.

Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (X/Pw5)

17 What vmom said.

Types

Deletes


Trump is me asking nicely.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (VcFUs)

18 Durham will not just accept a declination.

Comey and the rest of the Coup Cabal better lawyer up.

They are just biding their time and hoping the Impeachment process distracts from their criminal enterprise.

Posted by: Czech Chick at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (J9wxX)

19 My eyes are glassy. Drool is dangling from the corner of my mouth.

The Deep State has achieved victory through sheer tedium.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (fK2gX)

20 Why, these shocking revelations could lead one to believe that this is just a game, and that the rules of the game benefit the unscrupulous at the expense of justice.

Hmmm.

I'm sure this is just a misunderstanding on my part.

I'm equally sure that these people aren't in the reach of the little people. Too bad, that.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (z79tQ)

21 If Trump disbanded every federal law enforcement agency we'd actually wind up safer as a result.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (+dsLj)

22 Going out on a limb: Nobody Cares. Nothing will be done. Nobody will even be slightly inconvenienced much less actually prosecuted for anything whatsoever. The entire U.S. "justice system" is a complete farce.

Posted by: I Have Questions at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (BvNzB)

23 So? No harm no foul

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (ZCEU2)

24 11 So the IG report is incomplete because they can only interview people who are employees, those who are already gone (the major players in the Russian Collusion) can decline it.


Not surprising the conclusions they had were what they were.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (0QYMt)

So you read Hemingways piece from this morning. It helped me get perspective.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (90T4r)

25 This won't end well for The Republic.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (CjeDS)

26 Only a fuckin idiot or leftist does not fully understand bias and hatred of the right and PDT was and still is behind ALL of this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (85Gof)

27 So, don't take #15 the wrong way. That we me pretending there are rules.

This is America in Current Year, though, and rules no longer exist.

They refused to testify because they're guilty. Haul them in front of congress and make them prove their innocence.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (I2dne)

28 No one actually -needs- Comey's fresh testimony. What he's said in the past is good enough to put him away, without having to extend it to his past criminal actions. He wanted to be the new J. Edgar, and President Trump has the power to correct him.

Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (6OzV/)

29 Trump Camps should've been built and filled to occupancy by May 2017.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (2Qk5a)

30 OUT: Pleading the 5th

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:04 PM (CjeDS)

31 8
How is the Horde? Crushed, devastated, sickened? By the Horowitz report, not by Star Wars. To clarify.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (90T4r)


I'm fine, but I'm usually pretty even-keeled. Some of our more emotional members were wound up a tad.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 06:04 PM (0QYMt)

32 Steiner, or Durham, whoever, will come.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 06:04 PM (90T4r)

33 If there is one thing the FBI knows, it's not to talk to the FBI.

Posted by: nip at December 09, 2019 06:04 PM (Izot6)

34 Truth? I don't need no stinkin' truth! The Bible tells me so.

Posted by: Pine-scented Druid philosopher James Comey at December 09, 2019 06:04 PM (EgshT)

35 If Trump disbanded every federal law enforcement agency we'd actually wind up safer as a result.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (+dsLj)
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Probably. Start with the FBI - there's no question on that one. Shutter the damn thing. And the parent organization. And the CIA. And the NSA. Maybe everything except the DIA - and only if it gets purged.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:04 PM (I2dne)

36 They can't refuse to testify before a Grand Jury, can they? Don't Huber and Barr have the ability to compel? I though that was the difference, that Horowitz could only question current FBI employees.Also, I really liked the Ghostbusters video, especially when they broke out the car. I remember taking my kids to Disney during that era and taking their photos with the car. Think they were 7 and 9. Now in their 30's and married. Sigh....

Posted by: sharon at December 09, 2019 06:04 PM (QzF6i)

37 Remember when Mueller didn't know what a fusion GPS was?

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (ht3TX)

38 12
Did Anyone expect anything differently? Anyone? This is government. Investigating government.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (90T4r)

________


All those who have served and sacrificed for their country and that government can dream, can't they?

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (+jo58)

39 Matt Eaton: Ghostbusters 3 looks a lot like The Force Awakens

Maybe, but only in that Abrams borrowed heavily from previously used themes in the same way (young people ignorant of the past get an artifact from a heroic predecessor and use it to protect their people from the same old threat).

But as he implies, don't get too jazzed about a slickly produced trailer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (KZzsI)

40 Trying to look at this objectively, my sense is the rules to open investigations are too fucking lax, so the IG can't say it was broken when the feds have so much leeway to investigate anything any fucking way they please.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (+dsLj)

41 If there is one thing the FBI knows, it's not to talk to the FBI.

Posted by: nip at December 09, 2019 06:04 PM (Izot6)
+++++++++++++
Expand that out to all lawmen.

The only thing you should ever say to a cop is, "I am exercising my right to remain silent and it will stay that way until I get a lawyer."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (I2dne)

42 The best weapon against cockroaches is a flashlight.

Trump is a magnesium flare.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (fK2gX)

43 >>They can't refuse to testify before a Grand Jury, can they? Don't Huber and Barr have the ability to compel?


No. They can't.

IGs are basically Federal Hall Monitors.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (CjeDS)

44 The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

Posted by: Lord Comey at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (zD38/)

45 33 If there is one thing the FBI knows, it's not to talk to the FBI.

Posted by: nip at December 09, 2019 06:04 PM (Izot6)

Things they teach at Quantico.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (90T4r)

46 14
Couldn't the President have declassified the docs the IG wanted to use?

Posted by: Frasier Crane at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (dmYb7)


Obstruction of an investigation!!!!! Criminal behavior!!!!! Interference - Trump is railroading these men!!!! Impeach, ImPeach, IMPEACH!!!!

That is what you wanted to have happen, right?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 06:05 PM (0QYMt)

47 I still say Durham will be called on to recuse himself for making a statement about the IG report.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 06:06 PM (ht3TX)

48 Levin comes on soon.

...let him handle the anger portion of this.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:06 PM (CjeDS)

49 No worse than Lois Lerner making a statement then declare the 5th, pension sent on time in full thank you.

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 06:06 PM (ZCEU2)

50 Willowed...

Unpopular opinion: I don't think anyone in the FBI was in on a plot to get Trump. I think they genuinely believed the bullshit from the dossier. The strongest evidence I have for that is Peter Strzok's text message to Page that "There's probably no 'there' there." That tells me that at one point he believed in Russiagate but had come to doubt the conspiracy. I think they're guilty of gross negligence, but not conspiracy. Brennan and people in the CIA/NSA, on the other hand, I believe framed up the whole thing by getting Misfud and Downer to "incept" Russiagate into the Trump campaign. But those guys are probably too careful to leave behind evidence to nail them on.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 09, 2019 06:06 PM (Xqo6t)

51 The best weapon against cockroaches is a flashlight.

Trump is a magnesium flare.
Posted by: zombie


Problem is, nothing is lit.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 06:06 PM (fXB+v)

52 Let's not pretend though that but for this refusal that Horowitz would have issued the damning report we all hoped for.

There is no solace to be found.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 06:06 PM (ZfRYq)

53
So you read Hemingways piece from this morning. It helped me get perspective.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (90T4r)


No, that's what JackStraw has been saying for months now.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (0QYMt)

54 I also don't think it will hinder Durham in his investigation as much as people might think, especially if he winds up prosecuting some of the people who actually wrote the report. Well i can dream anyway.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (+dsLj)

55 Have Levin on

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (ZCEU2)

56 How is the Horde? Crushed, devastated, sickened? By the Horowitz report, not by Star Wars. To clarify.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (90T4r)


Sickened that my initial suspicion has been confirmed - no one involved in this coup will so much as get their hair mussed.

And pissed off beyond words that the country will get its panties in a twist about a goddamned fucking PELOTON COMMERCIAL and yet can't get up off their frigging couches for one weekend to march on DC and drag these bastards in tumbrils en masse to the National Mall.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (Ki5SV)

57 vmom-

Are you in here ?

JT to vmom, JT to vmom, come in please !

Posted by: JT at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (arJlL)

58 There's a passage in the Report that is vintage Horowitz. He is discussing Bruce Ohr..

"we concluded that the federal ethics rules did not require Ohr to obtain Department ethics counsel approval before engaging with the FBI in connection with the Crossfire Hurricane matter because of Nellie Ohr's prior work for GPS. However, we found that, given the factual circumstances that existed, and the appearance that they created, Ohr displayed a lapse of judgement..."

That's it. Good old "lapse of judgment." No intent. No bias.

I don't know which is more insulting, the report or the fact we waited 21 months for it.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (H8QX8)

59 "Now, one can get out of a lot of perjury charges by claiming one just
didn't remember right, but if someone shows you documentary evidence
about what the facts are and you still claim you don't remember, or you remember a version of the story at variance with the written contemporaneous record...?"

Just keep saying you don't remember. Works for me.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (l3+k2)

60 How is the Horde? Crushed, devastated, sickened? By the Horowitz report, not by Star Wars. To clarify.†

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (90T4r)†

I don't actually care about Soy Wars anymore, and Barr/ Durham are going further to push back on Horowitz than Reno went with Starr. I'm not bothered because I'm not actually relying on the government to clean up after itself. In many ways, I welcome their failure. You can't throw out the rotten system otherwise.

Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (6OzV/)

61 http://player.listenlive.co/25111

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (ZCEU2)

62 I know we use LOLGF a lot but that is exactly what these Deep State MFers say every day to Americans.

I'm damn sick of it.

Posted by: jsg at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (/lXod)

63 Unable to compete testimony eh?
Bullshit.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2019 06:07 PM (axyOa)

64 I heard Comey trained the Boston office.

Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2019 06:08 PM (X/Pw5)

65 14
Couldn't the President have declassified the docs the IG wanted to use?

Posted by: Frasier Crane at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (dmYb7)

_______


I believe he did several months ago and his left it in AG Barr's hands. Don't know what's taking so long unless they want to use it as an October surprise or something.

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 06:08 PM (+jo58)

66 Unpopular opinion: I don't think anyone in the FBI was in on a plot to get Trump. I think they genuinely believed the bullshit from the dossier.

****************

If they believed it then they are even more bumfucking keystone cop fucknads than i thought. They don't call them the fucking bureau of idiots for nothing.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 06:08 PM (+dsLj)

67 Aside from all this, still nice to know where we stand with our government.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 09, 2019 06:09 PM (qC1Sy)

68 I cant believe half of my paycheck goes to the federal state and local shitshow

Posted by: Regular Joe at December 09, 2019 06:09 PM (6/uwW)

69 This is just the IG asking questions. He can't compell testimony.

Durham on the other hand...

Posted by: Minuteman at December 09, 2019 06:09 PM (T5bqo)

70 TRUMP!

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 06:09 PM (E+oV2)

71 >>If they believed it then they are even more bumfucking keystone cop fucknads than i thought.


They work for the Federal Government.

Pretty safe bet that they are useless.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:09 PM (CjeDS)

72 Isn't the IG under DOJ?
Oh and meant Durham, not Huber in my last post.

Posted by: sharon at December 09, 2019 06:09 PM (QzF6i)

73 #WhiteWashPrivilege

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 06:10 PM (+jo58)

74 And let's not forget - Horowitz previously made a criminal referral on Comey on leaking classified material.

DOJ declined to prosecute.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 06:10 PM (ZfRYq)

75 I have to start daily reading of Psalm 37 again.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 06:10 PM (GaIDK)

76 >>DOJ declined to prosecute.


I think Durham has Comey in his sights.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:11 PM (CjeDS)

77 How is the Horde? Crushed, devastated, sickened? By the Horowitz report, not by Star Wars. To clarify

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Same day as yesterday. Nothing of consequence will happen to anyone above the deputy director of the assistant deputy directors deputy assistant director.

And probably not to them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 06:11 PM (ht3TX)

78 If all they had was the Dossier, what was the initial FISA warrant request based on? I thought they threw in the Dossier on the second try.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 06:11 PM (hbTkw)

79 Isn't the IG under DOJ?
Oh and meant Durham, not Huber in my last post.
Posted by: sharon at December 09, 2019 06:09 PM (QzF6i)

IGs are responsible for investigating complaints against the agency they are attached to, so under the DOJ? Not in the way you mean

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 06:11 PM (85Gof)

80 The Feebs. Indeed. If they were not so malicious, they would be hilarious.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 06:12 PM (90T4r)

81 I think Durham has Comey in his sights.
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:11 PM (CjeDS)


And he will pull the trigger then in, what, #twoweeks?

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 06:12 PM (ZfRYq)

82 I cant believe half of my paycheck goes to the federal state and local shitshow

I know, right? Your hard-earned dollars are helping to feed the monster that threatens to devour you.

Posted by: Pine-scented Druid philosopher James Comey at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (EgshT)

83 If all they had was the Dossier, what was the initial FISA warrant request based on? I thought they threw in the Dossier on the second try.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 06:11 PM (hbTkw)

Other than the dossier, things Horowitz was not allowed to ask about CIA and nsa stuff. So NOT his aor

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (85Gof)

84 58 But Eric Trump who has no role in the govt. was told by government ethics departments that due to his father being elected President he had to close his own personal foundation that had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for St Jude resulting in the construction of an entire new wing of the hospital. Think about that one.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (SjFj+)

85 #WhiteWashPrivilege

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 06:10 PM (+jo5


#DeepStatePrivilege

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (BiNEL)

86 Wray is pissed!

Asked whether he thought the FBI unfairly targeted the Trump campaign, Wray offered a terse reply: "I do not."

Wray, reacting to the release of the IG report in an interview with ABC News, said that one key takeaway for him was that "the Inspector General did not find political bias or improper motivations impacting the opening of the investigation or the decision to use certain investigative tools during the investigations."

"Including FISA?"

"Including FISA," Wray said

Wray pushed back on the "Deep State" characterization of the bureau's work.

"I think that's the kind of label that's a disservice to the men and women who work at the FBI who I think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rigor, with objectivity, with courage," Wray said. "So that's not a term I would ever use to describe our work force and I think it's an affront to them."

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (E+oV2)

87 So the IG could easily be stymied by the people committing deliberate wrongdoing.

The whole system is obviously structured to cover-up wrongdoing, not reveal it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (hbTkw)

88 I cant believe half of my paycheck goes to the federal state and local shitshow

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And something like 1 of every 10 dollars actually reaches the stated goal. The rest feeds the beast on the way.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (ht3TX)

89 "Unpopular opinion: I don't think anyone in the FBI was in on a plot to get Trump. I think they genuinely believed the bullshit from the dossier."

Not for a second do I accept that. Listen to Strzok and Page's text messages. They loathed Trump.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (H8QX8)

90 From The Babylon Bee:

Christian Living
Linus Appears At Hearings To Explain True Meaning Of Impeachment
December 9th, 2019

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (+y/Ru)

91 Hi yall. Anything happen today?

Posted by: Nasty Pelosi at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (Tnijr)

92 At least the IG report is getting some coverage in the media, unlike the total blackout concerning the backlash being endured by the Muslim community in Pensacola.

Posted by: Music Store Owner at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (vI+F1)

93 >>And he will pull the trigger then in, what, #twoweeks?


I think that is the only reason the DOJ defers a slam dunk prosecution from the IG referral.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:14 PM (CjeDS)

94 8 How is the Horde? Crushed, devastated, sickened? By the Horowitz report, not by Star Wars. To clarify.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (90T4r)
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Disappointed but not surprised.

And have no reason to have any regard for any government institution any more.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 09, 2019 06:14 PM (qC1Sy)

95 oh damn off nasty sock

Posted by: freakdd at December 09, 2019 06:14 PM (Tnijr)

96 The Deep State has achieved victory through sheer tedium.

I think that's the strategy of the remainers in the UK: delay and flood everyone with BS legalese until everyone just gives up

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 06:14 PM (KZzsI)

97 As this all unfolds, it only reinforces all of my views on the Federal Government. Their business is staying in business, which means staying in the cushy jobs, for fun, profit and just the joy of shoving people around.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 06:15 PM (90T4r)

98 How 'bout a movement to abolish automatic payroll deduction for any and all reasons?
82 I cant believe half of my paycheck goes to the federal state and local shitshow

I know, right? Your hard-earned dollars are helping to feed the monster that threatens to devour you.
Posted by: Pine-scented Druid philosopher James Comey at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (EgshT)

Posted by: 80's music fan at December 09, 2019 06:15 PM (glGDV)

99 >>"I think that's the kind of label that's a disservice to the men and women who work at the FBI who I think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rigor, with objectivity, with courage," Wray said. "So that's not a term I would ever use to describe our work force and I think it's an affront to them."



Fuck you and fuck those Ham and Eggers, Buddy!

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:15 PM (CjeDS)

100 "How is the Horde?"

Hot 'n horny as usual

Posted by: freakdd at December 09, 2019 06:15 PM (Tnijr)

101 If and possibly there is no Justice in the system any longer then the questions answers it self, doesn't it.

I asked awhile back What Would you do if you believe that there is no rule of law. I have answered that question for myself and will or die by that decision.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2019 06:15 PM (Nv4st)

102 "I think that's the kind of label that's a disservice to the men and women who work at the FBI who I think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rigor, with objectivity, with courage," Wray said. "So that's not a term I would ever use to describe our work force and I think it's an affront to them."

Ooooh, "Faye" Wray sounds guilty AF.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 06:15 PM (U7qMl)

103 Wray is pissed!

Fire his ass

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 06:16 PM (6XlcD)

104 >>"How is the Horde?"


I could use some Therapy Tits.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:16 PM (CjeDS)

105 "How is the Horde?"

Po-faced and well-armed.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 06:16 PM (U7qMl)

106 Unpopular opinion: I don't think anyone in the FBI was in on a plot to get Trump. I think they genuinely believed the bullshit from the dossier.

I think most of the people involved were just pushing papers like they are paid to, doing a job and not anything personal, but that some at the heart of it were definitely in on it and trying to destroy Trump because we have them on record saying so

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 06:16 PM (KZzsI)

107 Wray said. "So that's not a term I would ever use to describe our work force and I think it's an affront to them."


If he thinks that's an affront...

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 09, 2019 06:16 PM (z79tQ)

108
How does an inspector inspect something he can't inspect?

And why does he bother with a conclusion?

Should have admitted he can't conclude shyt under the circumstances.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (M9ntN)

109 How is the Horde? Crushed, devastated, sickened?
I think everybody is fine. Its just the confirmation that everything is bad as you thought it was leads to frustration. People can and are getting away scot free with an attempted coup. That small tinge of hope that there will be justice evaporated into the nethers.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (r+sAi)

110 Aaaand the old, funky punchline to the long joke told by Richard Belzer used to be, "The Aristocrats" should be changed to, "The Deep State."

Posted by: 80's music fan at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (glGDV)

111 87
So the IG could easily be stymied by the people committing deliberate wrongdoing.



The whole system is obviously structured to cover-up wrongdoing, not reveal it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (hbTkw)


Kind of like an insurance policy.

Posted by: Peter S at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (l3+k2)

112 "the men and women who work at the FBI who I think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rigor, with objectivity, with courage," Wray said."

Go f*ck yourself.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (H8QX8)

113 >>"I think that's the kind of label that's a disservice to the men and women who work at the FBI who I think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rigor, with objectivity, with courage," Wray said. "So that's not a term I would ever use to describe our work force and I think it's an affront to them."



Fuck you and fuck those Ham and Eggers, Buddy!
Posted by: garrett

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Seriously.

Keeping your head down until you retire is not a virtue.

Fuck all those people at the FBI who don't like to make waves.

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (4yrpr)

114 Wray is a prototypical insider. Fuck him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (85Gof)

115 "How is the Horde?"


Pissed but not surprised... Lucy pulled the old football away again

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (6XlcD)

116 Not only should withholding be abolished (make people cut that check and think about what it means), the employer's part of of your Social Security and Medicare taxes, any head taxes, etc. should all be printed on the pay statement. This is illegal today.

Having to write that tax check and see how much lower your income is because of taxes should look you in your face, not be swept away and made invisible.

Without withholding, there'd be a revolution at the end of April.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (I2dne)

117 Except for Donald Trump, and maybe a few Freedom Caucus members like Jim Jordan, DC is a chithole with zero value.

The corruption is becoming legendary, and the once-curious and detached press who is supposed to highlight it has become a co-star.

Sorry, I have to stop now, don't want to get banned with my very simple and effective solution.

But if you thought it involved, helicopters, wood chippers, rope and lamp posts, you would be spot on.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (sy5kK)

118 Think about that one.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 06:13 PM (SjFj+)


To be fair, a generous contributor might have given million$ to an IRS audited tax exempt charitable organization that funded St Judes and the President would have been able to give such a contributor sweetheart deals just because of those contributions!
/s

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (BiNEL)

119 "Now, one can get out of a lot of perjury charges by claiming one just
didn't remember right, but if someone shows you documentary evidence
about what the facts are and you still claim you don't remember, or you remember a version of the story at variance with the written contemporaneous record...?"

Just keep saying you don't remember. Works for me.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton



Perjuring oneself by swearing out a FISA warrant should be a slam dunk...

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (fXB+v)

120 "Unpopular opinion: I don't think anyone in the FBI was in on a plot to get Trump"

That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day.

Posted by: freakdd at December 09, 2019 06:18 PM (Tnijr)

121 We can haz therapy tits?

I'd like perky C-cups with pink aereoli por favor.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 06:18 PM (U7qMl)

122 I could use some Therapy Tits.
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:16 PM (CjeDS)

Is that a choice?!!
Why hasn't anyone brought this to my attention before now?
Sign me up. I too want some therapy tits.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 09, 2019 06:18 PM (z79tQ)

123 And I've heard some pretty dumb stuff today.

Posted by: freakdd at December 09, 2019 06:18 PM (Tnijr)

124 77 How is the Horde? Crushed, devastated, sickened? By the Horowitz report, not by Star Wars. To clarify

-

Same day as yesterday. Nothing of consequence will happen to anyone above the deputy director of the assistant deputy directors deputy assistant director.

And probably not to them.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 06:11 PM (ht3TX)

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Meh, had no expectations to dash.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 06:18 PM (RU4sa)

125 How is the Horde? ...
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (90T4r)
+++++++++
Belligerent and numerous.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:18 PM (I2dne)

126 102 "I think that's the kind of label that's a disservice to the men and women who work at the FBI who I think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rigor, with objectivity, with courage," Wray said.


Does that include all the ones that have been fired in the last three years, dick?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 06:18 PM (hbTkw)

127 That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
Posted by: freakdd at December 09, 2019 06:18 PM (Tnijr)

So you did not watch the hearings either

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 06:19 PM (85Gof)

128 >>I'd like perky C-cups with pink aereoli por favor.


I'll have what he's having.

But, can you make mine with Puffy Pink Areoli?

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:19 PM (CjeDS)

129
...
The corruption is becoming legendary, and the once-curious and detached press who is supposed to highlight it has become a co-star.
...
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 06:17 PM (sy5kK)
+++++++++++++
As YD once put it, "The problem is not that the state has become corrupt - it is that corruption has become the state."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:19 PM (I2dne)

130 Having to write that tax check and see how much lower your income is because of taxes should look you in your face, not be swept away and made invisible.

Without withholding, there'd be a revolution at the end of April.
Posted by: Joe Mannix


Without withholding, no one would have the tax money.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 06:19 PM (fXB+v)

131 I could use some Therapy Tits.

Take her with you on the airplane. "No, Miss Keely Hazel is my comfort breasts, I need them with me on the flight"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 06:20 PM (KZzsI)

132 What I enjoyed from the report was the use of "inaccuracies" in place of lies

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 06:20 PM (6XlcD)

133 Did Anyone expect anything differently? Anyone? This is government. Investigating government.

Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (90T4r)
..........

I get this weird picture in my head of a room full of retards fondling each others balls.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 06:20 PM (v0R5T)

134 I am sorry but anyone arguing that this report helps our side is just wrong.

Because now it puts Durham at odds with the IG. The bad guys have got their end zone dances. Think Comey is REALLY worried that he is facing legal jeapordy? How about McCabe? Supposedly he has a criminal case against him, but he doesn't mind talking about this whole situation on TV. For money.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 06:20 PM (ZfRYq)

135 Without withholding, no one would have the tax money.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 06:19 PM (fXB+v)
++++++++++++
That's a secondary benefit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:20 PM (I2dne)

Star Democrat "Witness" Says That Trump Should Be Impeached Because His 8-Year-Old Son Thinks Trump Is a "Bad Person," Then Jumps from the Witness Seat to the Prosecutor's Table and Starts Interrogating Republican Witnesses

He's both the star witness and the prosecuting attorney at today's fake impeachment hearings, because the Democrats have said "YOLO" to constitutional government and civil peace.

First, as an expert witness in the field of Orange Man Bad:



Then, as a prosecuting attorney badgering Republican witnesses:



Bonus:




Posted by: Ace of Spades at 04:52 PM




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1 It really is like our family court system. Unreal.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (P0nip)

2 I feel the need for a drink (or two or three) coming on.

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (vkS2Z)

3 hola chamucos y chamucas

Posted by: Jasper Moore at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (B+t5k)

4 * honkity, honk-honk *

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (GPz65)

5 What do they do that's not wrong? Glad Republicans are really standing up for good here. Jesus.

Posted by: Ree at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (N3yvc)

6 >>Dem counsel Barry Berke, who was first to testify at the House Judiciary
Committee hearing, is now on dais questioning witnesses as a staff
member of the House Judiciary Committee.

- - -

WHAT THE F#$%?!???

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (bDqIh)

7 As a history buff, I can tell you that Stalin didn't stoop this low.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 09, 2019 04:55 PM (YslsA)

8 What is the relevance of that Magna Carta thingy?

Ahh, screw it.

Continue with the witch trials.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 04:55 PM (sy5kK)

9 Barry Berke then gently raised the back of one perfumed wrist to xer forehead and swooned gracefully onto xer fainting couch.

TF I hate these "people."

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 04:56 PM (U7qMl)

10 YOLO is white girl ghetto speak so perfect for most of Congress.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:56 PM (P0nip)

11 Wait, what the actual fucking fuckity fuck?

He was a witness and then questioned people?

You. You can't do that.

Well, apparently you can but the fuck.


This is all so insanely stupid.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 04:56 PM (mf5HN)

12 Over the line! Mark it zero. This isnt Nam, Smokey, there are rules.

Aren't there?

Posted by: Regular joe at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (6/uwW)

13 This whole charade is fucked up

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (6XlcD)

14 He was a witness and then questioned people?

Barri has lots of time on his hands, what with the leaving of the pleasuring of his wife to others. So many, many others.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (U7qMl)

15 And how much $$ do you want to bet these Demtards in the House get reelected next year?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (N39Ws)

16 Banana Republic

Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (G0vdT)

17

Rules don't apply to the left

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (mpeBU)

18 Are you fucking kidding me?

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (dUJdY)

19 Don't forget that Berke gets to be the executioner too.

Posted by: Furious George at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (9vQJW)

20 I wish I could be unsurprised, but somehow I can't. Having a witness also act as an interrogator for other witnesses is unreal.

It's like they're going for "most enraging possible yet still pitch-perfect definition of 'farce'"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (I2dne)

21 Shocked at this point that there has been literally zero displays of sexual acts.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (P0nip)

22 General Melchick - I might have the spelling wrong - approves.

Posted by: PabloD at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (JtLkC)

23
What a day.

They're going to impeach him before Christmas. Durham starts making moves, what say, around July 2020. I've got to find something to care about between now and then.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (M9ntN)

24 Still struggling to see the end game for the progs here... it's an obvious mockery. They must believe this is so insane the GOP would never turn around and pull this crap on them.
They have a valid point.

Posted by: Inogame at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (1TU21)

25 13
This whole charade is fucked up

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (6XlcD)

This is kind of the cherry on top of this soup sandwich.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (1CjJc)

26

Comrades this is how show trials are conducted

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (mpeBU)

27 Guess Berne is from my and the architect of the impeachment

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (EUZ52)

28
Rush nailed it; this is the trial scene from "Animal House."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (zBaqJ)

29 When crows show up to a freshly planted field to steal the seed, a farmer shoots the first one and sticks it on a pike in the middle of the field as a warning to the others.


Just sayin', it's a tried and true method to keep vermin under control.

Has anyone actually tried it in DC yet?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (sy5kK)

30
Can we go back to talking about tits and counter factual warfare??

Cuz I see counter factual warfare actually being an issue in the very near future.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (8XRCm)

31 When will Che Che be testifying?
How about Mary Cloggenstein?

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (aCNZ6)

32 Did he have his clown nose on?

Posted by: dantesed at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (88xKn)

33 Goddamn clown show.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (NWiLs)

34 Bird flew by the window, and my cat did a Wile E Coyote from her cat tree into said window.

I've been laughing the past five minutes with her glaring at me.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (RU4sa)

35 26 Comrades this is how show trials are conducted
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (mpeBU)


You realize that after show trials come summary executions...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (zBaqJ)

36 Berke! Frkn phone

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (EUZ52)

37 CNN: AUSTERE CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR

Posted by: Jay in CDA at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (BmbhR)

38
Rush nailed it; this is the trial scene from "Animal House."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

=======

I don't remember that. I remember the initiation scene, though.

WHACK.

"Thank you, Sir, may I have another?"

Now that seems familiar.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (M9ntN)

39 Has anyone actually tried it in DC yet?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (sy5kK)

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*stink eye*

Posted by: John F Kennedy at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (8XRCm)

40 At least both Durham AND Barr came out with strong statements today.

The Daily Wire has a rundown of Barr's.

BREAKING: Attorney General Barr Releases Statement Responding To FISA Report

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (vEIlU)

41 He was the only guy not playing with his phone.

Posted by: klaftern at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (RuIsu)

42 It really is just as though they studied the Soviet show trials of the 20's and 30's for hints and tips on procedure.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (JwHjN)

43 can't add much. Schiuff would have made a swell judge under Stalin. Nadler isn't much better. Imagin e what this hearing would be like if Swallowell were the chairman here

Raskin... repeating the BS they've said before. I gotta turn this off.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (YG34V)

44 So they are going for good ratings for the clown show?

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (eoQWY)

45 38 Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (M9ntN)


Towards the end when they decide to revoke the Delta House's charter and expel them?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (zBaqJ)

46 Rush nailed it; this is the trial scene from "Animal House."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

----

More like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4zP7247W7o

"Does the code name 'Sapphire' mean anything to you?"

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (4yrpr)

47 And the super duper high integrity neverTrumpers still see nothing wrong with this show trial?

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (aCNZ6)

48 Rush nailed it; this is the trial scene from "Animal House."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

------

"....... and rumors that liberties were taken with women. *wink* They were."

Posted by: John F Kennedy at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (8XRCm)

49 I don't remember that. I remember the initiation scene, though.



WHACK.



"Thank you, Sir, may I have another?"



Now that seems familiar.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (M9ntN)

This is not who we are. You are sentenced to one remedial Animal House viewing.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (1CjJc)

50 or was that the NYT with the terrorist that the dog chased down - who can keep track anymore with this sh*t

Posted by: Jay in CDA at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (BmbhR)

51 The thing is, no matter how much the unexpurgated testimony looks like a raging dumpster fire for the Democrats, they know that the MSM will clean it up for the masses to make it look like OrangeManBad's about to go to the pokey for this.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (iuFgi)

52 So they are going for good ratings for the clown show?
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (eoQWY)
+++++++++++++++
That ship done sailed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (I2dne)

53 DUDE.

Posted by: Franz Kafka at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (hbTkw)

54 Republican complacency and inaction is allowing this.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (xfb67)

55 This is the guy who trashed Trump, and when the GOP objected as House members and staffers (Berke is a Donk staff counsel) are not allowed to impugn the motives of the Executive branch, Nadless said witnesses aren't bound by those rules. Yet when the GOP side asked why Berke and Castor hadn't been sworn in, Nadless said Berke wasn't a witness but a staffer giving an opening statement.

Both sides status: Had.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (7zQnd)

56 Mr. Berke's compelling testimony and his masterful questioning of the witnesses has convinced me, and I will be voting to remove the President from office.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (9vQJW)

57 53 DUDE.
Posted by: Franz Kafka at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (hbTkw)


"Jawol?"

- - Roland Freisler

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (zBaqJ)

58 It really is just as though they studied the Soviet show trials of the 20's and 30's for hints and tips on procedure.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365

---

And flavored it with some liberal doses of Kids in the Hall sketches.

...Pun intended.

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (4yrpr)

59 Take names. They will be needed later.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
Democrats, Media, and Deep State:
Hostis Humani Generis
at December 09, 2019 05:02 PM (Rvlwi)

60 Dem Witness - Orange Man Bad turned me into a Newt!

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (gmo/4)

61
sok

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (8XRCm)

62 The democrats are scared. I wonder why?

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (JUOKG)

63 The only thing missing from this hearing are clowns juggling flaming bowling pins, elephants in pink tutu's and an organ grinder with a dancing monkey.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (VpIIl)

64 45 38 Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (M9ntN)


Towards the end when they decide to revoke the Delta House's charter and expel them?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (zBaqJ)



Senator Blutarsky, where are you when your people need you?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (sy5kK)

65 "Durham starts making moves, what say, around July 2020."



I'd be surprised if you see Durham move on anything next year. These guys give a new meaning to slow.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (Mr80f)

66 The same Barry Berke on Diblasio's inaugural committee? Of course it is

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (U7k5w)

67 Rush nailed it; this is the trial scene from "Animal House."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton


lol, for a minute there, I thought you said Animal Farm

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (vEIlU)

68 And the super duper high integrity neverTrumpers still see nothing wrong with this show trial?

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years

----

They're masturbating to it.

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (4yrpr)

69 Those bastards in Cincinnati are always screwing things up.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (RD7QR)

70 A Democrat witness could spend 30 minutes going um, uh, umm and the flatulent MFM would praise the speech.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (aCNZ6)

71 Goddamn clown show.


I think we need raging clown boners on fire in a clown car, but I've misplaced my Style Guide.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (gd9RK)

72 And the Democrat Party's long, primal scream of anguish goes up a few notches.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (0QYMt)

73 I think YOLO covers the Dems pretty well at this point. They're even abandoning procedural rules, its just Calvinball all the way down now.

Because they are certain they are right, that Trump is evil, so why bother with the rules since its a foregone conclusion anyway? Just like every leftist tyranny before them. Germany, Soviet Union, Cambodia, all of them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (KZzsI)

74 Next witness will testify that Trump weighs more than a duck.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (hbTkw)

75 A travesty of a mockery of two shams.


[Platinum membership to first Moron to ID this - JJ excluded cuz I know he'll know it]



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (El6T/)

76 Rush nailed it; this is the trial scene from "Animal House."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

lol, for a minute there, I thought you said Animal Farm
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (vEIlU)

The "Pig from Man, Man from Pig" line fits Nadler.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (eoQWY)

77 63 The only thing missing from this hearing are clowns juggling flaming bowling pins, elephants in pink tutu's and an organ grinder with a dancing monkey.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (VpIIl)


I believe that happens after the early afternoon break. Gotta keep Progda's ratings up.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (sy5kK)

78 The only thing missing from this hearing are clowns juggling flaming bowling pins, elephants in pink tutu's and an organ grinder with a dancing monkey.

Posted by: Marcus T

----

And a geek eating live chickens.

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (4yrpr)

79 So when does the float with "eat me" written on the side stop by?

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (gmo/4)

80 I'll tune in to watch this shit sandwich if something like this breaks out:


"Such was the case in 1798 when Roger Griswold, a Federalist Congressman from Connecticut got into a heated debate with Matthew Lyon, a Vermont Democratic-Republican. Griswold made the mistake of calling Lyon a scoundrel (a word that was considered profanity at the time). Lyon then spit in Griswold's face and there was no stopping the ensuing melee. Neither Griswold or Lyon believed in the proverb, "forgive and forget". A few weeks later, Griswold attacked Lyon on the Senate floor with a cane and then Lyon went after him with a pair of fire tongs."


https://tinyurl.com/y95v76r6

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (RU4sa)

81 Those bastards in Cincinnati are always screwing things up.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 05:04 PM (RD7QR)

Leave the Bengals out of this.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (eoQWY)

82 So how many fundamentals of our American criminal justice system have been killed by the Democrats so far in order to get Trump?
-- Presumption of innocence
-- Right to face your accuser
-- Client/attorney privilege

What am I forgetting?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (bDqIh)

83 he's a floor wax and a dessert topping, and we can reference the Hungarian phrasebook sketch from python,

Posted by: gaius martius at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (hMlTh)

84 The only thing missing from this hearing are clowns juggling flaming bowling pins, elephants in pink tutu's and an organ grinder with a dancing monkey.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (VpIIl)


and that Schiff thing

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (vEIlU)

85 Any other Republican president would have either caved by now or said "fuck it. I'm resigning."

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (CqE5x)

86 My evergreen question -

Part 1 - Are there any undecided observers?

If so, Part 2 - Does anyone, anywhere in the country, believe that this spectacle convinces any undecided observer?

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (Y4EXg)

87 What a friggin joke our government is.

One big clown show passion play for our cognitively challenged population.

I can clearly envision the mindless idiots in our country tweeting out #ImpeachFoadyFi before flicking the idiot box over to catch the Kardashian Holiday Special.

Friggin' sick of it, I am.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (xxCXd)

88 63 The only thing missing from this hearing are clowns juggling flaming bowling pins, elephants in pink tutu's and an organ grinder with a dancing monkey.
Posted by: Marcus T
______________

* perks up at mention of "organ grinder" *

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (9vQJW)

89 Senate GOP should call his son as a witness.

Ask him what Daddy says after he's been drinking.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (hbTkw)

90 Holy shit. Democrats had Harvey Dent testify as a witness and then as a questioner???

Are the Republicans going to call in Batman?

Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (VpIIl)

91 The only solution to this traitorous clown show is a flamethrower.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (oiW2a)

92 Schiff: My Hearings Are Peak Stupid!!!

Nadler: Hold my beer.

Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (8erNz)

93 Berke was flat out screaming at some one during his "questioning"

Gohmert walked out in disgust.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (Nv4st)

94 Is that Jesse Kelly pic from the past, or the future?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (sy5kK)

95 21 Shocked at this point that there has been literally zero displays of sexual acts.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (P0nip)

[cracks knuckles] Oh, just you wait!

Posted by: That surprising river otter at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (RD7QR)

96 This "trial" is missing an appearance from Greta Thunberg.

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (4yrpr)

97 Oh, also:

-- Hearsay in place of actual witness testimony

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (bDqIh)

98 Barry Berke
Jerry Nadler
Adam Schiff

Quite a crew....

Posted by: McCool at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (KvRqW)

99 Honestly, calling this a clown show is an insult to our profession. We have more dignity than this.

Posted by: Emmett Kelly at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (5KWnQ)

100 91 The only solution to this traitorous clown show is a flamethrower.

Nadler for Yule Log 2019.

Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (8erNz)

101 And since consulting Miss Cleo about Trump'd motives can be used to create an article of impeachment, have they allowed damning testimony of crimes imagined in somebody's fever dreams as evidence yet?

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (Nnl9v)

102 When do the Dems bring in their staff lawyer, name of Vyshinskiy?



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (El6T/)

103 Any other Republican president would have either caved by now or said "fuck it. I'm resigning."

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (CqE5x)


yeah well, I'm waiting for the one that calls in the wet work specialists to remove these insurgents from the planet.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (9Om/r)

104 I said it before, it's a snark hunt.

When the verdict was called for, the Jury declined,
As the word was so puzzling to spell;
But they ventured to hope that the Snark wouldn't mind
Undertaking that duty as well.

(in the Lewis Carroll poem, the snark takes on all the roles in a trial.)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (LWu6U)

105 96 This "trial" is missing an appearance from Greta Thunberg.

Don't give them any ideas.

On second thought, please do.

Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (8erNz)

106 Why the F!! don't the GOP members just stand up , call this a mockery, and walk out. They are gutless compost.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...willing to pay the price for my children's freedom at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (Fy0Aq)

107 75 A travesty of a mockery of two shams.


come on guys, let's put these shams to bed

Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (rpxSz)

108 I feel the need for a drink (or two or three) coming on.
Posted by: kathysaysso at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM

I'll join you

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (ZCEU2)

109 My hovercraft is full of eels.

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (gmo/4)

110 21 Shocked at this point that there has been literally zero displays of sexual acts.
____________

Or at least juggling monkeys.

This ludicrous shit is beyond parody.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (k4dH2)

111 I still hope Nadler will spontaneously combust and turn into a grease fire that will burn through this term and the next Trump term.
The stench will make the Congress building unusable.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (aCNZ6)

112 My hovercraft is STILL full of eels!

Posted by: klaftern at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (RuIsu)

113 What is less than a nothing burger?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (BiNEL)

114 A Democrat witness could spend 30 minutes going um, uh, umm and the flatulent MFM would praise the speech.

"worked great for me!"
--Barry O'Bama

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:08 PM (KZzsI)

115 >>
The only thing missing from this hearing are clowns juggling flaming
bowling pins, elephants in pink tutu's and an organ grinder with a
dancing monkey.
- - -
And moody teen girls declaring they saw Goody Melania in the forest consorting with witches to get Trump elected, and then flailing about due to demonic possession.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:08 PM (bDqIh)

116 This "trial" is missing an appearance from Greta Thunberg.

https://tinyurl.com/uj3l8cp

HOW DARE YOU!!!

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2019 05:08 PM (I2/tG)

117 I for one am not going to comment here while you impugn the United States of America.


[commence humming of Battle Hymn of the Republic]

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:08 PM (El6T/)

118 What is less than a nothing burger?


Jr. Nothing Burger

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 05:09 PM (hbTkw)

119 Let's go back to my place: Bouncy bouncy!

Posted by: klaftern at December 09, 2019 05:09 PM (RuIsu)

120 112 My hovercraft is STILL full of eels!
Posted by: klaftern at December 09, 2019 05:07 PM (RuIsu)

turbot charged

Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 05:09 PM (rpxSz)

121 111 I still hope Nadler will spontaneously combust and turn into a grease fire that will burn through this term and the next Trump term.
The stench will make the Congress building unusable.


The Democrats will carry him through all fifty states.

Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2019 05:09 PM (8erNz)

122 At what point do the Democrats just curl up in the fetal position on the floor and shout at us to stop telling them to calm down?

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at December 09, 2019 05:09 PM (jp0Bv)

123 113, less than a nothingburger? One of those veggie fake meat burgers.

Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 05:09 PM (J3Rfi)

124 >>What is less than a nothing burger?
The emperor's new clothes?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:10 PM (bDqIh)

125 So by Horowitz logic anyone agreeing with me is not committing anything political, so I don't really see anything here political.

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:10 PM (ZCEU2)

126 118 What is less than a nothing burger?


Jr. Nothing Burger


Impossible Nothing Burger.

Posted by: JEM at December 09, 2019 05:10 PM (8erNz)

127 Its coming

Rough beast

Slouching towards

US

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:10 PM (EoQ9D)

128 HOW DARE YOU!

Posted by: Greta Thunberg (D-CT) at December 09, 2019 05:10 PM (cGJ7O)

129 Nadler is even more hapless than Schiff so no surprise this nonsense is going on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:10 PM (KZzsI)

130 At least he wasn't judge, jury and executioner.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2019 05:10 PM (+y/Ru)

131 And remember folks, the only reason we got this shit show is because the Dems took the House, most likely on the strength of the Mueller Investigation that was the end result of the plan put in motion by the FISA reports which we found out TODAY were BULLSHIT.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:10 PM (CqE5x)

132 All this hearing is missing is that kid from Star trek TOS playing a judge and saying, "Bonk, bonk! On the head. Bonk, bonk!"

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (gmo/4)

133 I hope Trump voters in those 31 districts that flipped are bombarding their congresshit's office. Actually their offices should be occupied by protestors round the clock.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (GaIDK)

134 Oh and, What? couldn't they guy ask AND answer his own questions on time he yielded to himself? If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly!

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (jp0Bv)

135 If the Founders of this here Republic and signers of the Declaration of Independence were alive now, they would already be shooting.

We are a nation of middle class weenies. We will wring our hands and pontificate and say internet tough guy things and do nothing.

I know I won't do much. Send Trump money, I suppose.

What a sad clusterf*ck. What a stupid time to be alive.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (vcOmj)

136 The star witness / prosecutor is Barry Berke, who's on sabbatical from a B list corporate law firm

I suspect he had to make a big donation to get this gig. Like Major League Baseball summer camp

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (7TYNz)

137 yes, it's beyond parody, also the mountaineering sketch with the two kilimanjaros,

Posted by: gaius martius at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (hMlTh)

138
OT, wow, Russia banned from the 2020 Olympics for doping.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (M9ntN)

139 Ugh...

@WashTimes 12m

Grandson of George H.W. Bush launches bid for Congress

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2019 05:12 PM (GPz65)

140 All this hearing is missing is that kid from Star trek TOS playing a judge and saying, "Bonk, bonk! On the head. Bonk, bonk!"

It needs a group of black men dressed as gorillas hooting like apes at the Republican.

I still cannot believe that this was put into a movie these days.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:12 PM (KZzsI)

141 Worse than Gay Divorce Court.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 05:12 PM (v0R5T)

142 If you ever think perhaps you've been a little harsh on the IQ of your fellow citizens, I can cure that. (warning for language). Also, MOOSE!


https://tinyurl.com/qpcjmc2

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 05:12 PM (T6t7i)

143 Isn't there a bugs bunny cartoon where Bugs plays all the parts of witness, attorney and judge?

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 05:12 PM (oiW2a)

144 116
This "trial" is missing an appearance from Greta Thunberg.



https://tinyurl.com/uj3l8cp



HOW DARE YOU!!!

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2019 05:08 PM (I2/tG)

No. No. That ain't dancing, Sally . . . you stink.

Posted by: Kramer at December 09, 2019 05:12 PM (1CjJc)

145 so how TF could Horowitz conclude CH was opened properly?


Nunes has said there was no official intel on which it was based [he repeated this yesterday].


What was the basis for opening the whole thing??

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (El6T/)

146 132 All this hearing is missing is that kid from Star trek TOS playing a judge and saying, "Bonk, bonk! On the head. Bonk, bonk!"
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (gmo/4)


*checks schedule*


Oh, that's tomorrow.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (sy5kK)

147 And remember folks, the only reason we got this shit show is because the Dems took the House, most likely on the strength of the Mueller Investigation that was the end result of the plan put in motion by the FISA reports which we found out TODAY were BULLSHIT.
=====
Cackle

*Shart*

that's how you meddle in elections!

Posted by: H=>! at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (aEeVh)

148 7 Its coming

Rough beast

Slouching towards

US
Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:10 PM

I agree

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (7bcfy)

149 If the Democrats were deliberately trying to sink this impeachment, what would they be doing differently?



(I'm no sure if what I wrote is a joke or a serious take on their "strategy".)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (0QYMt)

150 Grandson of George H.W. Bush launches bid for Congress
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2019 05:12 PM (GPz65)

George P. ?

He's as good as elected.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (CqE5x)

151 yes, it's beyond parody, also the mountaineering sketch with the two kilimanjaros,
Posted by: gaius martius at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (hMlTh)

"The purpose of this expedition is to look for traces of the last expedition....it was building a bridge between the two peaks"

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (eoQWY)

152 138, Russia banned for doping? They sure turned the Dems and media into dopes.

Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (J3Rfi)

153 One of those veggie fake meat burgers.

OK, this is a new theory so I'm just trying it out on y'all.

Vegos think that meat is morally wrong. So they make fake stuff taste like meat.

Isn't that like this isn't really kiddie pron because the girl is only supposed to look 14? The actress has fake ID saying she's almost 18.

If meat is bad why aspire to the meatlike?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (gd9RK)

154
Republicans should have walked out after this stunt.
Let the Democrats do this shit alone.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (q+RdX)

155 Let me tell y'all a story that happened when I first arrived in TN, no it not about "Jed". The State government, GOP controlled (Don't go there), was looking to pass a "State Income Tax". They were getting ready to vote it thru. A local talk radio DJ caught wind of it, and blasted it over the airwaves. Every farmer in driving distance drove to the state capitol in their F-150 and surrounded the place. They were "Scared" and decided not to vote for the state income tax.We must do something similar. Pick a date and have Deplorable Trump Supporters drive in mass to D.C., and flood the streets, block the roads with vehicles. Fill up the Starbucks, restaurants and bars. Gridlock on a city wide level. Put the fear of GOD in them! It could happen!

Posted by: Paladin at December 09, 2019 05:14 PM (quX0S)

156 Have you no sense of decency, Sir?

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at December 09, 2019 05:14 PM (EMi53)

157 I see Comey is out there "crowing" about the FBI being exonerated...Keep it up Jimmy boy

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 05:14 PM (6XlcD)

158 OT, wow, Russia banned from the 2020 Olympics for doping.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (M9ntN)

Is not doping. Transitioning entire team. Males to females. Females to males. You who is the stupidinski. Nyet?

Posted by: Russia at December 09, 2019 05:14 PM (gmo/4)

159 George P. ?

Are they just going down the alphabet? George Q, George R, and George S were all planning on campaigns as well!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:14 PM (KZzsI)

160 Grandson of George H.W. Bush launches bid for Congress
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2019 05:12 PM (GPz65)

George P. ?

He's as good as elected.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (CqE5x)

He was an outspoken supporter of Trump .

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 05:14 PM (oiW2a)

161 OT, wow, Russia banned from the 2020 Olympics for doping.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (M9ntN)

Can't have the transwomen beaten by regular old cheating women.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (eoQWY)

162 Hillary's Elf on the Shelf

https://tinyurl.com/rsgzjfr

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (RU4sa)

163 One America News has been doing a little digging it appears. Apparently Graham, McCain (before he was mort) and several others are neck deep in a money laundering scheme involving the Ukraine.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (dUJdY)

164 He was an outspoken supporter of Trump .
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 05:14 PM (oiW2a)

What??

Was he disowned by the family?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (CqE5x)

165 139 Ugh...

@WashTimes 12m

Grandson of George H.W. Bush launches bid for Congress
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2019 05:12 PM (GPz65)


So, what's my next step again, Uncle Jeb?

Posted by: Pierce Bush at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (sy5kK)

166 Le Sigh

Posted by: Henri, le Chat Noir at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (cGJ7O)

167 George P. ?

---
No, Pierce. I don't know maybe it is Pierce G.

Posted by: G at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (5NMZN)

168 I'm halfway expecting the jackass asking a question to then run over to the witness table and answer it then going back to ask another one....

Posted by: Pliney at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (nzKWW)

169 Isn't that like this isn't really kiddie pron because the girl is only supposed to look 14? The actress has fake ID saying she's almost 18.

Yeah, the guy who hates pedos, but loves watching porn starring 20-something girls in pigtails and a girl scout dress.

If you don't like meat, why do you keep pretending???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (KZzsI)

170 12am back of Stike Deep Bowling Alley parking lot.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (jKBVK)

171 Posted by: Paladin at December 09, 2019 05:14 PM (quX0S)

We did that in, what was it, 2009? The tea party.
The republicans were against us too.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (7bcfy)

172 (a) Everything must be done to advance relative strength of USSR as factor in international society. Conversely, no opportunity most be missed to reduce strength and influence, collectively as well as individually, of capitalist powers.

From George Kenna's Long Telegraph, Feb. 22, 1946.

The Democrat Party is accomplishing for Russia what they never could for themselves.


(b) Soviet efforts, and those of Russia's friends abroad, must be directed toward deepening and exploiting of differences and conflicts between capitalist powers. If these eventually deepen into an "imperialist" war, this war must be turned into revolutionary upheavals within the various capitalist countries.

(c) "Democratic-progressive" elements abroad are to be utilized to maximum to bring pressure to bear on capitalist governments along lines agreeable to Soviet interests.

Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (377Zs)

173 Shocked at this point that there has been literally zero displays of sexual acts.
Posted by: squirrelly dan



I want to see fisticuffs and talliwackers. .

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (fXB+v)

174 These people have been reading too much Kafka.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (CjeDS)

175 One America News has been doing a little digging it appears. Apparently Graham, McCain (before he was mort) and several others are neck deep in a money laundering scheme involving the Ukraine.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (dUJdY)

Lindsey, you did good during Kavanaugh, but you gotta go now

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (CqE5x)

176 Have you no sense of decency, Sir?

And Ted Lieu noted that none of the members of the committee could conduct foreign policy?

Right, that is the sole province of the President.

NONE of the people on the dais were elected by the People of the United states. Donald J. Trump was.

You are not President Ted, you are just a dumb congressman.

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (EMi53)

177 One of those veggie fake meat burgers.

OK, this is a new theory so I'm just trying it out on y'all.

Vegos think that meat is morally wrong. So they make fake stuff taste like meat.

Isn't that like this isn't really kiddie pron because the girl is only supposed to look 14? The actress has fake ID saying she's almost 18.

If meat is bad why aspire to the meatlike?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (gd9RK)

They don't want US to have meat. They will still get meat when they want it.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (eoQWY)

178 OT, wow, Russia banned from the 2020 Olympics for doping.

Seems like they have a pretty good case to make that a boy taking chemicals to pretend he's a girl and compete as one is doping as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (KZzsI)

179 What??

Was he disowned by the family?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (CqE5x)

Obviously it was after Trump won the nomination but still.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 05:17 PM (oiW2a)

180 156 Have you no sense of decency, Sir?
Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at December 09, 2019 05:14 PM (EMi53)

None whatsoever! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: That surprising river otter at December 09, 2019 05:17 PM (RD7QR)

181 163 and people wondered why Graham was so loyal to McCain.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 05:17 PM (I3OPu)

182 Speaking of dancing Greta, she turns 17 next month and looks 13.

Are her parents giving her puberty-blocking drugs or something?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2019 05:17 PM (I2/tG)

183 My mom was involved in mine-related litigation in Kentucky about 30 years ago. The plaintiff (she was the defendant) was irked at being barred from conversations in chambers and so he fired his lawyer and represented himself.

When it came time to testify, he swore in and gave a brief statement. He then got out of the box, asked the empty box a question, got back in the box and answered it. Then rinse and repeat.

That is less farcical than this.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:17 PM (I2dne)

184 >>If meat is bad why aspire to the meatlike?

Because they craving for meat doesn't go away.
They still want to eat a burger/steak/BLT whatever, but are philosophically opposed to it

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:17 PM (bDqIh)

185 >>12am back of Stike Deep Bowling Alley parking lot.


Ver is da monies, Lebowski?

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 05:17 PM (CjeDS)

186 Actually, Mueller scandal [that's what it was, from establishment to conduct to report] was rationalized by CH "investigation", I just asked the universe how TF Horowitz could conclude that effort was adequately "predicated" when Nunes has claimed there was no official intel involved.


And FISA came just a bit after. CH started it all.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (El6T/)

187 167 George P. ?

---
No, Pierce. I don't know maybe it is Pierce G.
Posted by: G at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (5NMZN)

George P. is Jeb's son and is part Hispanic. This Pierce guy is Neil's son and a ginger.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (Ez6QX)

188 One America News has been doing a little digging it appears. Apparently Graham, McCain (before he was mort) and several others are neck deep in a money laundering scheme involving the Ukraine.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (dUJdY)

Lindsey, you did good during Kavanaugh, but you gotta go now
Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (CqE5x)

Not much surprise here. Dead meat draws all sorts of flies.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (eoQWY)

189 Grandson of George H.W. Bush launches bid for Congress

-
Continuing the family tradition of doing nothing by nobodies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (+y/Ru)

190 I got a hankering for a big fat Chalupa after seeing that clip.

Posted by: Fritz at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (zD38/)

191 What about the fact that Democrats are bad people? As in thieves, rapists and murderers.

Posted by: Chris M at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (eAZVt)

192 organ grinder, that's a democrat with a chipped front tooth right?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (KP5rU)

193 What was the basis for opening the whole thing??

Posted by: rhomboid

You were expecting Horowitz to solve this problem?

Well, we could always petition the Lord with prayer.

Petition the Lord with prayer!!

You cannot petition the Lord with prayer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4_uu4W6IjY

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (vcOmj)

194 184
>>If meat is bad why aspire to the meatlike?

Because they craving for meat doesn't go away.
They still want to eat a burger/steak/BLT whatever, but are philosophically opposed to it


Posted by: Lizzy


Ya know, this prime rib is fantastic. It tastes just like a turnip.

Posted by: Said no one, ever at December 09, 2019 05:19 PM (T6t7i)

195 >>If meat is bad why aspire to the meatlike?
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I always asked this of men-hating dykes who get off on realistic-looking dildos that look like a penis

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:19 PM (CqE5x)

196
If meat is bad why aspire to the meatlike?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (gd9RK)

They don't want US to have meat. They will still get meat when they want it.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 05:16 PM (eoQWY)


You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat!

Posted by: Pink Floyd at December 09, 2019 05:19 PM (sy5kK)

197 Speaking of dancing Greta, she turns 17 next month and looks 13.

Well she's really short and the braids don't help. Plus she's got a childish level of maturity and pouty delivery.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:19 PM (KZzsI)

198 Apparently Graham, McCain (before he was mort) and several others are neck deep in a money laundering scheme involving the Ukraine.
=======
Ukraine was a kickback machine.

They're all up to eyeballs in it.

Congress voted them stuff and Ukraine kicked back cash and prizes.

Freakin - Klobuchar - a back bench liberal from Minnesota is up to her eyeballs in it. You can bet the tall hogs at the trough got theirs, from both parties.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:19 PM (6S0qZ)

199 Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 05:17 PM (I3OPu)

Well, now we know. And I think there's more.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:19 PM (dUJdY)

200 He then got out of the box, asked the empty box a question, got back in the box and answered it.

https://tinyurl.com/rv66n5k

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (I2/tG)

201 Apparently Graham, McCain (before he was mort) and
several others are neck deep in a money laundering scheme involving the
Ukraine.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (dUJdY)

McCain, sure. Graham, it is no surprise, since he had his head up McCain's ass for so long.

Posted by: Kramer at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (1CjJc)

202 Welcome to the new American justice. The country has fewer legal protections than Zimbabwe: if They can do this to the President, what can't they do to you?

At least fewer non-lunatics are taking the court system seriously. Every day "rule of lawyer" erodes just a little further in legitimacy. Absolutely wonderful.

Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (6OzV/)

203 OT, wow, Russia banned from the 2020 Olympics for doping.

Seems like they have a pretty good case to make that a boy taking chemicals to pretend he's a girl and compete as one is doping as well.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


Crap. There goes the East German's every team.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (fXB+v)

204 No, Pierce. I don't know maybe it is Pierce G.
Posted by: G at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (5NMZN)

George P. is Jeb's son and is part Hispanic. This Pierce guy is Neil's son and a ginger.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (Ez6QX)

So Pierre is the "Kennedyesque" Bush?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (CqE5x)

205 The only thing missing from this hearing are clowns juggling flaming bowling pins, elephants in pink tutu's and an organ grinder with a dancing monkey.

Posted by: Marcus T

----

And a geek eating live chickens.

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (4yrpr)
..........

a two-headed baby in a jar on the podium would also be a nice touch.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (v0R5T)

206 San Francisco streets getting a good cleaning off today.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (vEIlU)

207 >>Are her parents giving her puberty-blocking drugs or something?Sounds like she regularly starves herself because there are so few foods she eats, and she is very particular (OCD) about how they are served and/or packaged. One thing is off and she refuses to eat.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (bDqIh)

208 I keep expecting Lionel Hutz to make an appearance as a Democratic prosecuting attorney.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (fK2gX)

209 Just waiting for 6pm for Levin, it might be his last show because I'm not sure he will live through it. I am praying he does, I like his nightly shows.

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (ZCEU2)

210 This hearing gets Three Kangaroos.

Posted by: FloridaMan at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (r28kI)

211 "You were given the choice between law and dishonor. Youchose dishonor andyou will have no law."


-- Shit some old, white dude probably said once

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (3388M)

212 Because they craving for meat doesn't go away.
They still want to eat a burger/steak/BLT whatever, but are philosophically opposed to it


They want YOU to eat their soy crap so they're showing YOU that you won't miss meat.

Posted by: dagny at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (nRWPy)

213 Crap. There goes the East German's every team.

They should apologize to those old athletes, apparently they were just ahead of their time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (KZzsI)

214 McCain, sure. Graham, it is no surprise, since he had his head up McCain's ass for so long.


Posted by: Kramer at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (1CjJc)

Where the train goes, so does the caboose .

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (9Om/r)

215 Hey, isn't Berke one of deBlasio's lawyers? Of Kramer, Levin, and Natalis?

Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2019 05:22 PM (6OzV/)

216
Ukraine was a kickback machine.

They're all up to eyeballs in it.

Congress voted them stuff and Ukraine kicked back cash and prizes.

Freakin - Klobuchar - a back bench liberal from Minnesota is up to her eyeballs in it. You can bet the tall hogs at the trough got theirs, from both parties.



Might be time to break that shit wide open before the Swamp can rally on both sides of the aisle and get Donald gone to save themselves.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 05:22 PM (hbTkw)

217 OT, wow, Russia banned from the 2020 Olympics for doping.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
In other words, they meddled and tried to influence the outcome of the Olympic games....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:22 PM (CqE5x)

218 There goes the East German's every team.



Mein Fuhrer ..

Posted by: Grump928(C) tugs collar at December 09, 2019 05:22 PM (cGJ7O)

219 George P. is Jeb's son and is part Hispanic. This Pierce guy is Neil's son and a ginger.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (Ez6QX)

Okay never mind . It was George P who supported Trump after the nomination. I don't know about the ginger.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 05:22 PM (oiW2a)

220 Sounds like she regularly starves herself because there are so few foods she eats, and she is very particular (OCD) about how they are served and/or packaged. One thing is off and she refuses to eat.

In the past this is the kind of girl that would either damn well learn to cope or die. My cat is finicky sometimes too, but eventually he eats what we give him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:22 PM (KZzsI)

221 Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (bDqIh)


She's obviously insane.

Posted by: dagny at December 09, 2019 05:22 PM (nRWPy)

222 These people are a fucking joke.

Oh, really, Mr Gohmert, this is "just wrong"?

Here's a thought- why don't you nutless, treasonous bastards get up, drag Berke out of his seat and beat him into a coma? Or, at the very least, walk the fuck out en masse?

Good God, the GOP is doing everything in its power to destroy Trump.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2019 05:22 PM (Ki5SV)

223 201 Apparently Graham, McCain (before he was mort) and
several others are neck deep in a money laundering scheme involving the
Ukraine.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (dUJdY)

McCain, sure. Graham, it is no surprise, since he had his head up McCain's ass for so long.
Posted by: Kramer at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (1CjJc)
---------

Makes more sense now why they were such foreign interventionists. Intervention meant financial military aid which meant kickbacks.

Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (G0vdT)

224 206 San Francisco streets getting a good cleaning off today.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (vEIlU)


Not for long.

It's Monday, so it's dark beer and chili night in SF.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (sy5kK)

225 The OAN report on Ukraine did not offer specifics of any evidence about $$$ involving any American figures, IIRC. That one I am treating with caution.


But if Chanel Rion wants to schedule a series of private briefings about it, I think I can find the time. Open minded.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (El6T/)

226 Dancing Greta?

Why do I imagine a dropped marionette?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (U7qMl)

227 Impeachment based on feelings, opinions and presumptions.

Facts and evidence mean nothing to Democrats.

Posted by: Czech Chick at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (J9wxX)

228 Well, if the Olympics can ban you for doping, what about all those tranny athletes setting Women's World Records?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (hbTkw)

229 Star Democrat "Witness" Says That Trump Should Be Impeached Because His 8-Year-Old Son Thinks Trump Is a "Bad Person,"
-----------

Now we know where CheChe ended up.

Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (/669Q)

230 210
This hearing gets Three Kangaroos.

Posted by: FloridaMan at December 09, 2019 05:21 PM (r28kI)

________


"Here, hold our nooses." -- Star Chamber and High-Tech Lynchings local 724

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (3388M)

231 Jewells, yeah, a whole lot more.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2019 05:24 PM (Nv4st)

232 Might be time to break that shit wide open before the Swamp can rally on both sides of the aisle and get Donald gone to save themselves.
=====
This is why the decided to push impeachment.

this is why they are doing it fast.

They will bribe and blackmail until they get the votes.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:24 PM (3+bkj)

233 Crossing the streams:

Next article of impeachment will be that Trump has too much of a "carbon footprint," with Greta Thunberg arguing the case to the Judiciary Committee: "Mr. Trump, how DARE you inhale and exhale!"

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 05:24 PM (fK2gX)

234 Well, if the Olympics can ban you for doping, what about all those tranny athletes setting Women's World Records?

"They are all welcome to compete however they choose in our new, open, tolerant Olympics, h8er!!!"
--IOC

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:24 PM (KZzsI)

235 Speaking of dancing Greta, she turns 17 next month and looks 13.

Are her parents giving her puberty-blocking drugs or something?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2019 05:17 PM (I2/tG)
+++++++++++
At least I don't live in San Francisco:
https://tinyurl.com/t4726rb

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:25 PM (I2dne)

236 the field of Orange Man Bad:

He's so bad he's Chartreuse now.

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 05:26 PM (FhXTo)

237 My founding fathers can beat your fondling fathers.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 05:26 PM (jKBVK)

238 Impeachment based on feelings, opinions and presumptions.

Facts and evidence mean nothing to Democrats.
====
if we're being honest with ourselves, these days, that's how most juries roll.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:26 PM (7P7NR)

239 At least I don't live in San Francisco:
https://tinyurl.com/t4726rb
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:25 PM (I2dne)

They have stolen my childhood and my dreams! And any chance I had of getting to sleep tonight!

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 05:26 PM (U7qMl)

240 What the living F kind of name is Chanel Rion? It sounds like something from a Soap Opera or Harlequin Romance novel.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:26 PM (KZzsI)

241 75 A travesty of a mockery of two shams.
--

Hello? Nobody?

Bananas!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 09, 2019 05:26 PM (Dc2NZ)

242 Good God, the GOP is doing everything in its power to destroy Trump.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2019 05:22 PM (Ki5SV)

And get lots of foreign graft money...If the Biden's can do it, we can too.

Posted by: GOP betters want graft at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (U7k5w)

243 Willow!
https://tinyurl.com/u4yugkh

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (yfoZs)

244 San Francisco streets getting a good cleaning off today.


Scat Francisco.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (hbTkw)

245 Makes more sense now why they were such foreign
interventionists. Intervention meant financial military aid which meant
kickbacks.

Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (G0vdT)

Graham is an interesting turn. I presumed that Trump had no leverage over the GOP in this impeachment circus, and I assumed (yeah, I know) that the GOP would act honorably and call it like it is, a farce, in the Senate.

Now it is looking like many GOPers including Graham and Romney might have a bit at stake if Trump blows up the Ukraine piggy bank.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (1CjJc)

246 75 A travesty of a mockery of two shams.
--

Hello? Nobody?

Bananas!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage

---

Come on, dude. I posted the whole "Code name Sapphire" video clip from "Bananas," and... crickets.

Damn.

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (4yrpr)

247 if we're being honest with ourselves, these days, that's how most juries roll.

I'd like to believe Grand Juries are made of better stuff, and this is supposed to be a kind of super Grand Jury.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (KZzsI)

248 >>>Russia banned from the 2020 Olympics for doping.<<<

Fuck the Olympics. Open the floodgates! If the Colombian relay team wants to compete with a kilo of cocaine in their asses, I say "Tally ho!"

Entertain me, bitches!

Posted by: Fritz at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (zD38/)

249 At least I don't live in San Francisco:


Paintball target.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 05:28 PM (hbTkw)

250 STAY OUT THE BUSHES!!

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 05:28 PM (GaIDK)

251 190 I got a hankering for a big fat Chalupa after seeing that clip.
Posted by: Fritz at December 09, 2019 05:18 PM (zD38/)


Oddly enough I just ate a double chalupa from my $5 chalupa from Taco Bell.

It's difficult to eat a chalupa while driving, and it's only made more difficult by smoking and commenting on AoS at the same time.

Fortunately, I possess certain skills. I will find the cinnamon twists and when I do, I will eat them.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2019 05:28 PM (xxCXd)

252 Trump is under double secret probation.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2019 05:28 PM (I8n/+)

253 >>She's obviously insane.
She is seriously messed up and her parents are inflicting her rigid thinking, anxieties, etc. on us as an outlet instead of dealing with them more directly (and privately). I doubt she makes it to age 30.


Her mom wrote a book on all the issues that Greta and her sister are battling - how weird is that? Her daughter is unwell, has OCD, anxiety, etc. and she pushes her onto the world stage (thanks to international activist connections) and lay out all her issues for the world to see in a book.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:28 PM (bDqIh)

254
At least I don't live in San Francisco:

https://tinyurl.com/t4726rb

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:25 PM (I2dne)


Nice paintball target.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:28 PM (1CjJc)

255 >>>As a history buff, I can tell you that Stalin didn't stoop this low.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 09, 2019 04:55 PM (YslsA)

Like+1

Posted by: Max Power at December 09, 2019 05:28 PM (q177U)

256 Some cracker ate the 120k banana taped to the wall. Then somebody wrote Epstein Didn't Kill Himself. Then security said shut it down and covered up the Epstein message.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 05:28 PM (2Qk5a)

257 Back when Woody was funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhmnBPK-APM

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 09, 2019 05:29 PM (Dc2NZ)

258 Comrades this is how show trials are conducted

Let's all hope the cameras fail before the chorus line of trannies gets there.

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 05:29 PM (FhXTo)

259 Barack and Michelle sure ended up with a lot of cash to be able to purchase their new estate in Martha's Vineyard along with their mansion in Washington. Being president must pay very well.

Posted by: corn and beans at December 09, 2019 05:29 PM (tkNkP)

260 What the living F kind of name is Chanel Rion
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Chinaman version of Chanelion?

Posted by: G at December 09, 2019 05:29 PM (5NMZN)

261 It's difficult to eat a chalupa while driving, and it's only made
more difficult by smoking and commenting on AoS at the same time.



Fortunately, I possess certain skills. I will find the cinnamon twists and when I do, I will eat them.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2019 05:28 PM (xxCXd)

You, sir, are a great American.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:29 PM (1CjJc)

262 And a geek eating live chickens.

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (4yrpr)
..........

a two-headed baby in a jar on the podium would also be a nice touch.
Posted by: wth

----

Labelled "homunculus."

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:29 PM (4yrpr)

263 249 254
Horde mind

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:29 PM (I2dne)

264 240 tune in and take a gander at her. She is exotic looking, intelligent and well spoken. An actual investigative journalist which is why she was sitting with Rudy during his interviews with the Ukrainians.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (I3OPu)

265 Trying to catch up today.
This is not going to end well.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (axyOa)

266 McCain, sure. Graham, it is no surprise, since he had his head up McCain's ass for so long.
Posted by: Kramer at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (1CjJc)

Does Graham have an "Institute" too?

Posted by: GOP betters want graft at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (U7k5w)

267 227
Impeachment based on feelings, opinions and presumptions.



Facts and evidence mean nothing to Democrats.





Posted by: Czech Chick at December 09, 2019 05:23 PM (J9wxX)

Remember the woman at the inauguration? On her knees, giving off a long, primal scream of anguish? That's the Democrats right now.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (0QYMt)

268 Greta is sailing across the Atlantic with a Youtube couple.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (2Qk5a)

269 Apparently Graham, McCain (before he was mort) and
several others are neck deep in a money laundering scheme involving the
Ukraine.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:15 PM (dUJdY)

McCain, sure. Graham, it is no surprise, since he had his head up McCain's ass for so long.
Posted by: Kramer at December 09, 2019 05:20 PM (1CjJc

I don't get it.

Is there any better golden calf than Wash DC?

How many cooking generations need to be fed/given BMW's?

Seems Lindsey will have no more generations.

#twoweeks

Posted by: golfman at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (M3a0a)

270 Some cracker ate the 120k banana taped to the wall. Then somebody wrote Epstein Didn't Kill Himself. Then security said shut it down and covered up the Epstein message.
Posted by: squirrelly dan

---

Did ABC News donate for the can of whitewash?

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (4yrpr)

271 Sounds like she regularly starves herself because there are so few foods she eats, and she is very particular (OCD) about how they are served and/or packaged. One thing is off and she refuses to eat.

If I were her parent, I'd hand her a laptop and tell her to get started on some job applications. You refuse to eat what we provide, fine. Go earn a paycheck and buy your own food, ya grumpy scold.

Based on what I've seen of her, though, I'd guess Greta is deep into the Autism "spectrum". In which case, I'd probably end up handing her $50 and a bus pass. Go spend a couple of hours picking which rice is suitable to your needs and don't come back until you've got a week's worth of food you'll eat.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 09, 2019 05:31 PM (9t0Zz)

272 47
And the super duper high integrity neverTrumpers still see nothing wrong with this show trial?

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 09, 2019 05:01 PM (aCNZ6)

_______



"The conservative case for expecting and applauding the Spanish Inquisition -- which will give us a pass from its grasp."

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 05:31 PM (aYrnl)

273 tune in and take a gander at her. She is exotic looking, intelligent and well spoken. An actual investigative journalist which is why she was sitting with Rudy during his interviews with the Ukrainians.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (I3OPu)
+++++++++++++++
Chanel Rion has teh hawt and it pretty good on camera. She has some big 'ole Texas hair, too, which I am not used to seeing on a brunette.

I think she's in competition with Liz Wheeler (who has an evening opinion show on the same network).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:31 PM (I2dne)

274 Grand Juries are not on TV.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 05:31 PM (I3OPu)

275 Alrighty.. It's time to head home and let the drinking begin!

Be good, kids!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 05:31 PM (so+oy)

276 Remember the woman at the inauguration? On her
knees, giving off a long, primal scream of anguish? That's the Democrats
right now.


Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (0QYMt)

You are being charitable.


Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:32 PM (1CjJc)

277 Her daughter is unwell, has OCD, anxiety, etc. and she pushes her onto the world stage (thanks to international activist connections) and lay out all her issues for the world to see in a book.

Some parents seem to revel in their children's miseries and problems so much that they sometimes even invent some and push on them. I don't know if it makes them feel holier for taking care of such a troubled child, or makes them feel better about themselves (see, I'm not so odd, my children are the same crazy!) or what.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:32 PM (KZzsI)

278 Remember the woman at the inauguration? On her knees, giving off a long, primal scream of anguish?
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And that is not what I suggested she do. Don't blame me!

Posted by: G at December 09, 2019 05:32 PM (5NMZN)

279 Listen all you pissant "Republicans":

STAND UP FOR TRUMP NOW!
(Or he'll get you when he's finished with the Democrat traitors!)

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 09, 2019 05:32 PM (pilVY)

280 Now it is looking like many GOPers including Graham and Romney might have a bit at stake if Trump blows up the Ukraine piggy bank.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (1CjJc)


They are all crooks and thieves. Not a God blessed one of them is clean. It's fucking sad and pathetic that these people we vote into office in good faith turn right around give the public the middle finger. There is no accountability. It's infuriating and enought to make you want to just say fuck it. Why bother voting?

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:32 PM (dUJdY)

281 Democrats need to get someone who swears they were in on the call ....doesn't matter whether that's true....to question themselves under oath that Trump soliticited a bribe.

Then they got Trump nailed!

Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 05:33 PM (Y274z)

282 if we're being honest with ourselves, these days, that's how most juries roll.

I'd like to believe Grand Juries are made of better stuff, and this is supposed to be a kind of super Grand Jury.
=======
I used to believe in Santa, in time I learned my belief was just a nice fantasy.

The most recurring event in my practice is the genuine shock the average US citizen has when they encounter the real legal system for the first time.

I've had nearly 3 decades of trying to convince juries to go with evidence and facts instead of emotion or feelings and things have really changed a lot between the ears of the average citizen in that time.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:33 PM (3+bkj)

283 I'm not sure if it's good or bad that it is the holiday season.

On one hand, people are not paying attention.

On the other hand, if they were, they would know more about what a farce this all is and how evil the left and the deep state and nevertrumpers and media are.

Some say people have already made up their minds. But this barrage of crap is meant to spew headlines when people haven't the time to read the details.

I got my Christmas shopping done!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 05:33 PM (vEIlU)

284
Or, at the very least, walk the fuck out en masse?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

=======

I seriously thought during this morning's shouting fest -- which was admittedly good, MPPPP -- that that was the plan. Everyone shouted over Nadler and wouldn't take No for an answer. I actually thought they might get up and walk out.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 05:33 PM (M9ntN)

285 Why is anybody shocked?

Hillary's staffer Heather Mills (among other crooks in her crew) was both an interrogation target as possible conspirator of Hillary for mishandling classified information AND Hillary's lawyer as Hillary herself was being questioned during the whitewashing called Mid Year Exam in 2016.

And the FBI was quite OK with that.

Oh by the way, who was the "interrogator"? None other than Peter Strozk. Yup.

Nuke DC from orbit, it's the only to be sure the swamp will be destroyed.

Posted by: meme at December 09, 2019 05:34 PM (2Cm6i)

286 Greta is most likely a vegan

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:34 PM (ZCEU2)

287 There is no accountability. It's infuriating and enought to make you want to just say fuck it. Why bother voting?
=====
that'll never get their attention

try this: Why bother paying taxes?

Posted by: nic changed for obvious reasons at December 09, 2019 05:34 PM (1R9tp)

288 They should've walked out. This is a kangaroo court show trial. Why give them the satisfaction of pretending it's magisterial and bipartisan?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (I2dne)

289 Based on what I've seen of her, though, I'd guess Greta is deep into the Autism "spectrum". In which case, I'd probably end up handing her $50 and a bus pass. Go spend a couple of hours picking which rice is suitable to your needs and don't come back until you've got a week's worth of food you'll eat.
Posted by: bonhomme

----

Nitpicky eating (veganism, especially) is the new eating disorder to get attention and take control of the parents; to control the entire household.

E. Michael Jones did an EXCELLENT breakdown of Greta's home life. The parents were loons, of course, and "into their own stuff," so Greta had to take control of things by developing an eating disorder.

The mom actually wrote a memoir, and it's creepy.

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (4yrpr)

290 They are all crooks and thieves. Not a God blessed one of them is clean. It's fucking sad and pathetic that these people we vote into office in good faith turn right around give the public the middle finger. There is no accountability. It's infuriating and enought to make you want to just say fuck it. Why bother voting?
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:32 PM (dUJdY)
*********
I don't believe Rep. McClintock is dirty. And he seems a solid reliable conservative vote in the House.

Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (Y274z)

291 Greta is sailing across the Atlantic with a Youtube couple.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (2Qk5a)
..........


hope they get shipwrecked on a plastic bottle island

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (v0R5T)

292 So did Jack Straw get voted off the island? I saw his name taken in vain today.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (GaIDK)

293 >>Based on what I've seen of her, though, I'd guess Greta is deep into the
Autism "spectrum". In which case, I'd probably end up handing her $50
and a bus pass. Go spend a couple of hours picking which rice is
suitable to your needs and don't come back until you've got a week's
worth of food you'll eat.
Yes, autistic, too. Greta calls it her "superpower." It's sad, but that doesn't give Greta or her handlers the right to leverage all this into demanding we re-order how the world works.


She needs help, the kind of help that doesn't involve activism and an audience.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (bDqIh)

294 George P. ?



He's as good as elected.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:13 PM (CqE5x)

No more friggin' Bushes!!!!!

Posted by: red at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (ERkyq)

295 She needs help, the kind of help that doesn't involve activism and an audience.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (bDqIh)
+++++++++++
Who are you to reject her truth?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:36 PM (I2dne)

296 Nothing the Democrats did raised a eyebrow all the way up to the SOS running bribery scam on the world's nations.

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:36 PM (ZCEU2)

297 Again, who the duck cares

Posted by: Mack the jack at December 09, 2019 05:37 PM (dDXVe)

298 I was doing a parody and making fun of that idiot and him making up crap about his son earlier, but this is what we have come to in this country. Government by farce.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 05:37 PM (r+sAi)

299 I think we found the people Trump could shoot on Fifth Ave and nobody care.

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 05:37 PM (E+oV2)

300 Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (Y274z)

I was talking about the senate. The house does seem to have a few good people. We need to figure out how to clone Jim Jordan.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:37 PM (dUJdY)

301 I was doing a parody and making fun of that idiot and him making up crap about his son earlier, but this is what we have come to in this country. Government by farce.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 05:37 PM (r+sAi)
+++++++++++
One vowel makes for a helluva difference.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:38 PM (I2dne)

302 >>E. Michael Jones did an EXCELLENT breakdown of Greta's home life. The
parents were loons, of course, and "into their own stuff," so Greta had
to take control of things by developing an eating disorder.
Her sister is just as rigid and demanding. It sounds like a nightmare.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxqwrgft

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:38 PM (bDqIh)

303 No more friggin' Bushes!!!!!

Posted by: red at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (ERkyq)
..........

That's what I keep telling the ladies I've been romancing.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 05:38 PM (v0R5T)

304 Jesse Kelly photo:

Yeah, no.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 05:38 PM (UZ8BZ)

305 kallisto, the reasons are many.

The report was barely on the wire and NO one commenting had read the thing but JackStraw is vilified because no one has gone to jail yet.

And when I said read I mean read, not the fucking cliff notes.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2019 05:39 PM (Nv4st)

306 All these traitors in the Democrat Party needs to face a big public Backlash that destroys them

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at December 09, 2019 05:39 PM (wGqjj)

307 So did Jack Straw get voted off the island?

I'd guess he's at work and busy. And, probably not willing to face the frustrated people today.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:39 PM (KZzsI)

308 "I'm as clean as a preacher's sheets" said no DC politician ever.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 05:39 PM (N39Ws)

309 The Horowitz report is a Mueller.

Nothing there. Comey and Page are taking victory laps. Wray is super happy with it.

We can't go round saying oh but it says there was wrongdoing!

It said no one was to blame. No one is culpable. They had good reason to look into Trump Russia.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 05:39 PM (ZfRYq)

310 303
No more friggin' Bushes!!!!!



Posted by: red at December 09, 2019 05:35 PM (ERkyq)

..........



That's what I keep telling the ladies I've been romancing.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 05:38 PM (v0R5T)
Skin on skin, or it don't go in.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 05:40 PM (N39Ws)

311 Did this guy bring up his kid hoping that Rs would publicly scoff and he could accuse them of attacking an 8-year-old child? An attempt to flip the tables on the Barren Frump disaster?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 05:40 PM (hbTkw)

312 One America News has been doing a little digging it appears. Apparently Graham, McCain (before he was mort) and several others are neck deep in a money laundering scheme involving the Ukraine.
Posted by: Jewells45

Watch Graham be the only to get indicted next year...

Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 05:40 PM (32YRo)

313 The report was barely on the wire and NO one commenting had read the thing but JackStraw is vilified because no one has gone to jail yet.

And when I said read I mean read, not the fucking cliff notes.

Posted by: Ben Had
========
Uptwinkles.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:40 PM (3+bkj)

314 >>So did Jack Straw get voted off the island?


He's making the run to Cancun to score some Acapulco Gold.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 05:41 PM (CjeDS)

315 When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to
dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and
to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station
to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent
respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the
causes which impel them to the separation.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at December 09, 2019 05:41 PM (pw+jk)

316 And, probably not willing to face the frustrated people today.

I don't think that bothers him in the least.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:41 PM (dUJdY)

317 The Horowitz report is a Mueller.

Nothing there. Comey and Page are taking victory laps. Wray is super happy with it.

We can't go round saying oh but it says there was wrongdoing!

It said no one was to blame. No one is culpable. They had good reason to look into Trump Russia.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 05:39 PM (ZfRYq)

Just STFU

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:41 PM (CqE5x)

318 Greta and parents are people the vikings would have put out of their village at winter to starve.

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 05:41 PM (gmo/4)

319 "try this: Why bother paying taxes?"

Sadly, this draws the wrong kind of "attention"

Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 09, 2019 05:41 PM (uGHnY)

320 meme - come now!


Horowitz declared that unbelievable interview arrangement [and Hillz wasn't under oath, either, as a lagniappe] a "not unreasonable" investigative judgement.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:41 PM (El6T/)

321 The report was barely on the wire and NO one commenting had read the thing but JackStraw is vilified because no one has gone to jail yet.

And when I said read I mean read, not the fucking cliff notes.

Posted by: Ben Had

I agree.
I wouldn't blame JackStraw if he swore off this place.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:42 PM (CqE5x)

322 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 05:42 PM (Zz0t1)

323 Jack Straw is likely tired of being crapped on here by several individuals because he is not actually Carnac the Magnificent.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 05:42 PM (SjFj+)

324 Thanks Ben Had and CRT.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 05:42 PM (GaIDK)

325 This whole thing is a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 05:42 PM (Zz0t1)

326 Eris FTW, a Platinum membership homeless shopping cart [HQ's new promotional membership token] will be in the mail today.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:43 PM (El6T/)

327 Christopher , JackStraw has never been unwilling to face any criticism or naysaying.

Anyone else got 200 hours invested in this?

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2019 05:43 PM (Nv4st)

328 The report was barely on the wire and NO one commenting had read the thing but JackStraw is vilified because no one has gone to jail yet.

Most people defended him and I think attacking him is unfair. He's a bit naive I think but not the jerk that some other "the Deep State is doomed" types have been.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:43 PM (KZzsI)

329 The report was barely on the wire and NO one commenting had read the thing but JackStraw is vilified because no one has gone to jail yet.

And when I said read I mean read, not the fucking cliff notes.

Posted by: Ben Had

I agree.
I wouldn't blame JackStraw if he swore off this place.
=====
neither would I

but that doesn't mean I wouldn't blame others . . .

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:43 PM (3+bkj)

330 That's what I keep telling the ladies I've been romancing.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 05:38 PM (v0R5T)

Skin on skin, or it don't go in.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019


Soft and bushy makes the poundin' cushy.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2019 05:43 PM (xxCXd)

331 The next witness for Democrats will be the infamous Tijuana Donkey.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 05:43 PM (8/E19)

332 314
>>So did Jack Straw get voted off the island?





He's making the run to Cancun to score some Acapulco Gold.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 05:41 PM (CjeDS)

Jack's off today.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:44 PM (1CjJc)

333 267 227 Remember the woman at the inauguration? On her knees, giving off a long, primal scream of anguish? That's the Democrats right now.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 05:30 PM (0QYMt)

Trigglypuff.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 05:45 PM (UZ8BZ)

334 So, Democrats do not have to abide by laws or rules.

Interesting. So when this goes to the Senate, and God willing, it fails, will they just continue? If Trump gets re-elected, will it be four more years of impeachments and investigations?

Good for the Dems, since it means they don't have to work. The people however are screwed.

Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at December 09, 2019 05:45 PM (bFkYZ)

335 My interest in Chanel Rion is not her name.


It's her journalistic chops.


Yeah. That's it.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:45 PM (El6T/)

336 Even if these jerks are prosecuted, they'll face DC juries, that will almost certainly acquit them.

We need to find a justification to move the trials to Topeka.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2019 05:45 PM (I2/tG)

337 Come back Jack Straw! You always share the good shit!

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 05:45 PM (GaIDK)

338 Jack is tough. He knows how frustrated we all are. He can handle us with a bad case of the grump ass

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:45 PM (EUZ52)

339 336
Even if these jerks are prosecuted, they'll face DC juries, that will almost certainly acquit them.



We need to find a justification to move the trials to Topeka.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2019 05:45 PM (I2/tG)

Military tribunals and a firing squad.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:46 PM (1CjJc)

340 Christopher , JackStraw has never been unwilling to face any criticism or naysaying.

I wouldn't blame him at all for wanting to give people a day or so to cool down before popping in, though. Not out of fear or unwillingness to debate but just to prevent people from saying something they didn't really mean or go too far out of frustration.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:46 PM (KZzsI)

341 If the Dems believe Russia is the root of all evil in the world, and Trump is their paid-for stooge, why are they fooling around with impeachment of Trump? Get rid of Trump and another Russian stooge, Pence, simply continues the treason. That's why if she's serious, Pelosi should have the House vote on a Declaration of War on Russia. Get rid of Putin and his regime, and Trump and Pence and Tulsi and all the other Russian tools are toast, right Nancy?

Posted by: Gref at December 09, 2019 05:46 PM (AMIL/)

342 17 counts of wrong doing that by gosh no one ment to do, they just happened.

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:46 PM (ZCEU2)

343 What the living F kind of name is Chanel Rion

Well "Rion" is a fancy way of spelling "Ryan."

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:46 PM (CqE5x)

344 Garrett we shouldn't even ask that he share

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:46 PM (EUZ52)

345 jack is probably actually reading every damn page before he makes any comment, which is how he usually rolls.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:47 PM (Aya7y)

346 Speaking of insane things I just caught up on the Pelloton ad controversy my god what a stupid time to be alive when getting in shape is somehow worse than Hitler

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 05:47 PM (sed5H)

347 What the living F kind of name is Chanel Rion


Her maiden name is 'No. 5.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 05:47 PM (hbTkw)

348 Ah, eight year old intelligence and reasoning. Unclear on how to multiply by ten, and cleaning up means cramming everything under the bed. Also still can't adequately rinse the shampoo out of hair, and would eat candy for every meal if you let them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 05:47 PM (ht3TX)

349 What is it with liberals and making up shit about their kids asking questions.

Fuck you and your brainwashing of your children, you fucks. I don't care what they "think."

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 05:47 PM (Zz0t1)

350 We need to find a justification to move the trials to Topeka.

Assuming they even wanted to, it would be simple enough: too many people involved will have benefited from, worked with, or been a part of this in DC to have a fair trial. Have to change venues.

I mean, assuming by some act of God it even got that far.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:48 PM (KZzsI)

351 And as noted, I didn't catch any actual new hard evidence of any $$$ funny biz in Ukraine from her reports. And the Rudy info the other day involved NGO money, not military aid. Pretty hard to hide funny biz with military aid, but with NGO $$$, Ukraine's a small place [as far as those who matter], and a triangle trade involving an oligarch would be much easier.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:48 PM (El6T/)

352 Our Institutions are completely corrupt.

It's Vindmans all the way down.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 05:48 PM (CjeDS)

353 Ah, eight year old intelligence and reasoning. Unclear on how to multiply by ten, and cleaning up means cramming everything under the bed. Also still can't adequately rinse the shampoo out of hair, and would eat candy for every meal if you let them.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 05:47 PM (ht3TX)
+++++++++++++
Also sounds like Pelosi/Biden/Nadler/et. al, now that you mention it...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:48 PM (I2dne)

354 Ooh flounder

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:48 PM (l8u7j)

355 'skin on skin' means the man also has to be 'scaped.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 05:48 PM (GaIDK)

356 I don't attack JackStraw. Never have. I have always wanted him to be right. I would gladly buy him the bourbon for being right.

But really the just wait they are going to get theirs thing has lost its potency from ALL quarters.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (ZfRYq)

357 Looks like establishment democrats have tiger by the tail and are trying to hang on! AOC tells pelosi not long now for me to take over.

Posted by: raimondo at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (8kwQA)

358 We need to find a justification to move the trials to Topeka.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2019 05:45 PM (I2/tG)
++++++++++++
Topeka is a state capital. Hard pass.

Move it to Cody, WY.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (I2dne)

359 Oh, willow.

That was a New Riders of the Purple Sage ref.


Song is called 'Henry'.

Mostly because 'The ballad of the AoSHQ Commentor JackStraw' is just too long for a Song Titile.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (CjeDS)

360 You know, now that I think about it, I never told my kids that anyone was a bad person. Even bad people. Selfish in a way, but I wanted them to keep the magic and innocence of childhood for as long as I could let them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (ht3TX)

361 My tablet is falling apart. Literally coming apart. This is a problem.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (myjNJ)

362 Most people defended him and I think attacking him is unfair. He's a bit naive I think but not the jerk that some other "the Deep State is doomed" types have been.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:43 PM (KZzsI)

I don't think Jack is naive at all. He obviously knows what he's talking about and he MUST have sources. He's not always right--maybe his sources aren't either--but not only does he put up with criticism, he 's not afraid.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (CqE5x)

363 Well "Rion" is a fancy way of spelling "Ryan."

.....

It's Ryne. It's Ryne not Ryan.

Posted by: Ryne Sandburg at December 09, 2019 05:50 PM (xxCXd)

364 >>
Speaking of insane things I just caught up on the Pelloton ad
controversy my god what a stupid time to be alive when getting in shape
is somehow worse than Hitler- - -
It's all social media games. People gotta have their 2 minutes of online hate/outrage, and you never know who or what will be the next target. Stupid times, indeed!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:50 PM (bDqIh)

365 JackStraw rolls his joints too tight.


There. I said it.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 05:50 PM (CjeDS)

366 simplemind, You got it.

I have No Comment until I read the whole thing for myself and Evelyn Wood I ain't.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2019 05:50 PM (Nv4st)

367 OT/

Weird, my phone just vibrated without evidence.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 09, 2019 05:50 PM (Xqo6t)

368 You know, now that I think about it, I never told my kids that anyone was a bad person. Even bad people.
=====
You must live in a nice area.

I showed my kids the Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and told them he was for real.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 05:50 PM (Aya7y)

369 We need to find a justification to move the trials to Topeka.

I'm thinking of the '60's when the Feds prosecuted the New York publisher of Screw magazine for obscenity.

The Feds successfully moved the trial to Topeka, on the grounds that Screw magazine had three mail-order subscriptions in Kansas.

It turned out that two of the three Kansas subscribers were undercover postal inspectors.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2019 05:50 PM (I2/tG)

370 361 My tablet is falling apart. Literally coming apart. This is a problem.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (myjNJ)

Paste?

--J. Biden

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 05:50 PM (UZ8BZ)

371 You know, I don't have a clue what the Peloton controversy is about

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:51 PM (ZCEU2)

372 I really appreciate Jack Straw's in-depth knowledge of the coup stuff. Hope he'll be back soon!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:51 PM (bDqIh)

373 Nunes needs to comment specifically on the claim about CH being adequately predicated. Contradicts a central contention of his going way back.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 05:51 PM (El6T/)

374 When the anti Jack Straw winds blow I'll stand with my Jack Straw brothers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 05:51 PM (ht3TX)

375 Sorry but I have seen no one vilify JS. The IG report is a dud. The goal posts have been moved again. At the most some posters have said JS has been proven wrong. I hardly call that vilifying. And Ive seen a lot of people who disagree with JS preempt any potential negative comments. A lot of the perception is based on which side of the issue you're on.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 05:51 PM (oiW2a)

376 There is no accountability. It's infuriating and enough to make you want to just say fuck it. Why bother voting?

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:32 PM (dUJdY)


Jewells, the fascinating thing to me is that with essentially the power of the entire Deep State and the support of the entire Uniparty against him plus tens of millions of taxpayer dollars for these turkeys, they are still forced to conduct kabuki theater warfare against a sitting President, a President that must surely rank up there in the same pantheon of men like George Washington in terms of honesty, to have survived all this crap so far.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 05:52 PM (BiNEL)

377 361 My tablet is falling apart. Literally coming apart. This is a problem.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (myjNJ)
--------------

Repeatedly pounding a tablet on the table due to frustration is surely going to impact performance.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 09, 2019 05:52 PM (qC1Sy)

378 Or whatever that jug eared f*cker said about his Muslim taquitoes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 05:52 PM (ht3TX)

379 You know, I don't have a clue what the Peloton controversy is about
Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:51 PM (ZCEU2)


Me neither.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:52 PM (dUJdY)

380
I think JackStraw is waiting for the storm to blow over. He'll show up tomorrow, roll his eyes, and say this changes nothing, it is entirely consistent with what he's been saying all along -- which, in a lawyerly way, is probably true. He'll also say #TwoAdditionalYears is not too long to wait for justice. These things take time.

And this is NOT vilifying him!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 05:52 PM (M9ntN)

381 You know, I don't have a clue what the Peloton controversy is about
Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:51 PM (ZCEU2)
++++++++++++++
It's engineered outrage ginned up by a bunch of lunatics.

Because the woman got her overpriced exercise bike as a gift from her husband, it's clearly evidence that Peloton is pro-patriarchy and implying that it's okay for a man to passive-aggressively tell his wife she's fat by giving her exercise equipment.

That's it. It is actually that stupid.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 05:52 PM (I2dne)

382 'Gentlemen, wax those pubes!'+++RRRrrriiip!

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 05:52 PM (GaIDK)

383 Riders on the storm?

I thought Jack preferred water bongs

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:53 PM (l8u7j)

384 371
You know, I don't have a clue what the Peloton controversy is about

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:51 PM (ZCEU2)

Apparently, men buying their women who want to exercise some overpriced, overhyped piece of exercise equipment for Christmas is the worst thing since the last worst thing for snowflakes.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:53 PM (1CjJc)

385 Can we just skip to the kinetic part of Civil War 2.0?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 09, 2019 05:53 PM (lD3vL)

386 Very good point Hrothgar.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 05:54 PM (dUJdY)

387 361 My tablet is falling apart.

---

Moses broke two tablets, and he got replacements.

For free!

Without a receipt!

Posted by: RKae at December 09, 2019 05:54 PM (4yrpr)

388 The controversy is a husband gives his wife a bike for Christmas. She uses it for a year. She then shows him a video of her using it.

The horror!!!

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 05:54 PM (sed5H)

389 371 You know, I don't have a clue what the Peloton controversy is about
_______________

Commercial shows dude giving his already slender and fit wife a Peloton (stationary exercise bicycle) for Christmas. Supposedly this is outrageously outrageous because sexist and weight-ist and all that bullshit.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 09, 2019 05:54 PM (k4dH2)

390 We all want the same result.

And Jack keeps me from smoking the telephone in angst

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:54 PM (l8u7j)

391 390 We all want the same result.

And Jack keeps me from smoking the telephone in angst
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:54 PM (l8u7j)

And he talks purty.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 05:55 PM (UZ8BZ)

392 The Democrat's Star Witness: Trump should be impeached because his son says he's a "bad person."
...........

I think his son asked for a lump of coal this year.

Posted by: Saint Nick at December 09, 2019 05:56 PM (v0R5T)

393 Phone doesn't know no spell tailpipe

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:56 PM (l8u7j)

394 raimondo - time for some Real Talk. Do you wax the agates?

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 05:56 PM (GaIDK)

395 MSM every day has some story about the obesity problem. Same MSM then freaks out about an ad showing people exercising.

We live in truly idiotic times.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 05:56 PM (sed5H)

396 Throws phone after I say goodbye

Bye

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:56 PM (l8u7j)

397 361 My tablet is falling apart. Literally coming apart. This is a problem.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 09, 2019 05:49 PM (myjNJ)


Could be worse. At least it's not an Apple product.

B)

Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2019 05:57 PM (87gB3)

398 390 We all want the same result.

And Jack keeps me from smoking the telephone in angst
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:54 PM (l8u7j)

Between you and JackStraw you've smoked it all already.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 05:57 PM (NWiLs)

399 Sort of sitting here contemplating the fallout from no criminal referrals from the IG report. I find it disheartening because unless there are consequences for the bad actors in this saga, then we're done as a nation of laws.

Obviously, unequal application of the law has long been a problem but this is so blatant it's like the Deep State is letting us proles know they no longer think they need to hide their actions from us any more.

Maybe Barr and Durham will indict, but, at this point, I think we're looking at two strikes, down 5 runs with two out and no one on.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 09, 2019 05:57 PM (qC1Sy)

400 BBof F'ng Joy, I'm ready.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2019 05:58 PM (Nv4st)

401 >>You know, I don't have a clue what the Peloton controversy is about- - - -From what I can tell, it's that the ad is sort-of creepy in the execution?

The actress seems really anxious in her lil' home movie about how much she appreciated her gift, and that makes showing it to her husband later like she felt forced into exercising for him?! Add in some gender activism, fat-acceptance activism, and people who hate the affluence displayed in the typical Peleton ad and you get "scandal!!"

Otherwise, it's a simple concept: I loved my Peleton so much I recorded my progress so I could share this happiness with you.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:58 PM (bDqIh)

402 390 We all want the same result.

And Jack keeps me from smoking the telephone in angst
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:54 PM (l8u7j)

393 Phone doesn't know no spell tailpipe
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 05:56 PM (l8u7j)

Oh, funny. I thought you meant smoking up the phone lines calling people to fume.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 05:58 PM (UZ8BZ)

403 You know, I don't have a clue what the Peloton controversy is about

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:51 PM (ZCEU2)
........

I think it's the scratch'n'sniff seat covers.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 05:58 PM (v0R5T)

404 As an experiment, Schwinn (or whoever else makes stationary bikes) should make a commercial showing a husband giving his morbidly obese wife a bike for Christmas. Maybe he should give her some diet books and a gift certificate for a year's worth of Jenny Craig too.

See how the snowflakes like that one!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (k4dH2)

405 Weasel around tonight?

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (ZCEU2)

406 326 Eris FTW, a Platinum membership homeless shopping cart [HQ's new promotional membership token] will be in the mail today.
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That'll hold 12 Nebuchadnezzars of Valu-Rite Platinum and one lucky Moron!

Strap in for some late night urban skeet slalom!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (Dc2NZ)

407 Otherwise, it's a simple concept: I loved my Peleton so much I recorded my progress so I could share this happiness with you.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:58 PM (bDqIh)

Personally, I felt bad for the husband who had to watch a boring-ass video of his wife riding a bike every day for a year.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (Ez6QX)

408 have they accused trump of treason, yet?

not paying attention.

Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (Pg+x7)

409 I've got this klusterfuk overhearing on in the background. Holy moly this Congress critter news Garcia sure as hell looks like a tranny. If it's not the poor woman is unfortunate in her genetics.

Posted by: Farmer at December 09, 2019 06:00 PM (XoUZS)

410 405 Weasel around tonight?
Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (ZCEU2)

Weasel was on the Ghostbusters thread.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 06:00 PM (UZ8BZ)

411 The actress seems really anxious in her lil' home movie about how much she appreciated her gift, and that makes showing it to her husband later like she felt forced into exercising for him?! Add in some gender activism, fat-acceptance activism, and people who hate the affluence displayed in the typical Peleton ad and you get "scandal!!"

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It's worse than The Handmaiden's Tale.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2019 06:00 PM (+y/Ru)

412 have they accused trump of treason, yet?

not paying attention.
Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 05:59 PM (Pg+x7)
+++++++++++++
This morning

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:00 PM (I2dne)

413 NOOD FusionGPS IG

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (I2dne)

414 Found a artical on American Spectator that he should see

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (ZCEU2)

415 >>Otherwise, it's a simple concept: I loved my Peleton so much I recorded my progress so I could share this happiness with you.


I wish he had bought her that personal massager, instead.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (CjeDS)

416 Trump insulted my pet rock and should be impeached now !!! I am going to call Rep. Schiff for Brains on this breaking story, bomb shell, NUDET, death kneel punch, etc....... !!!!

Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at December 09, 2019 06:01 PM (qM84C)

417 Nood

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Leftovers are The Bachelor's Main Meal! at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (0QYMt)

418 Phone doesn't know no spell tailpipe
.......

THEN WHO WAS PHONE

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (v0R5T)

419 have they accused trump of treason, yet?

not paying attention.

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Yep. Some trolls were posting about it earlier. They can't say what the crime was, but they're already optimistically discussing the maximum punishment

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (ht3TX)

420 >>Personally, I felt bad for the husband who had to watch a boring-ass video of his wife riding a bike every day for a year.Right? Terribly self-absorbed.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (bDqIh)

421 The real crime is Peloton costs $3k and only evil rich people own one. Nobody would have given a fuck if the bikes were $250.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (sed5H)

422 Our Institutions are completely corrupt.

Until proven otherwise, I assume all of Washington DC is made up of corrupted pedophiles.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (KZzsI)

423 I have never, to my knowledge, "attacked" JackStraw. I have no doubt he is honest and calls things as he sees them, as well as does the work to make the calls he does.

I merely believe he is simply naÔve that anything short of a full-scale Night of the Long Knives is going to set back the Deep State and their government apparatchicks.

I would love for him to be right. I don't believe he ever will be.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2019 06:03 PM (Ki5SV)

424
Unpopular opinion: I don't think anyone in the FBI was in on a plot to get Trump. I think they genuinely believed the bullshit from the dossier. The strongest evidence I have for that is Peter Strzok's text message to Page that "There's probably no 'there' there." That tells me that at one point he believed in Russiagate but had come to doubt the conspiracy. I think they're guilty of gross negligence, but not conspiracy. Brennan and people in the CIA/NSA, on the other hand, I believe framed up the whole thing by getting Misfud and Downer to "incept" Russiagate into the Trump campaign. But those guys are probably too careful to leave behind evidence to nail them on.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 09, 2019 06:06 PM (Xqo6t)

425 If all they had was the Dossier, what was the initial FISA warrant request based on? I thought they threw in the Dossier on the second try.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 06:09 PM (hbTkw)

426 418 Phone doesn't know no spell tailpipe
.......

THEN WHO WAS PHONE
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 06:02 PM (v0R5T)

heh

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 06:09 PM (UZ8BZ)

427
Otherwise, it's a simple concept: I loved my Peleton so much I recorded my progress so I could share this happiness with you.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 05:58 PM (bDqIh)


You've identified the real reason the Left hates the ad.

Lefties cannot, or will not, ever be happy.

Suffering must continue, and must be spread to everyone. That's all that matters.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2019 06:11 PM (sy5kK)

428 Graham is an interesting turn. I presumed that Trump had no leverage over the GOP in this impeachment circus, and I assumed (yeah, I know) that the GOP would act honorably and call it like it is, a farce, in the Senate.

Now it is looking like many GOPers including Graham and Romney might have a bit at stake if Trump blows up the Ukraine piggy bank.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (1CjJc)

From their point of view, though, they just want Ukraine out of public eye, and thus this portion of the investigation gone. A long trial won't do that, but a quick exoneration might.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 06:15 PM (eoQWY)

429 Unpopular opinion: I don't think anyone in the FBI was in on a plot to get Trump. I think they genuinely believed the bullshit from the dossier. The strongest evidence I have for that is Peter Strzok's text message to Page that "There's probably no 'there' there." That tells me that at one point he believed in Russiagate but had come to doubt the conspiracy. I think they're guilty of gross negligence, but not conspiracy. Brennan and people in the CIA/NSA, on the other hand, I believe framed up the whole thing by getting Misfud and Downer to "incept" Russiagate into the Trump campaign. But those guys are probably too careful to leave behind evidence to nail them on.
Posted by: Serious Cat at December 09, 2019 06:06 PM (Xqo6t)

Lol, you say he believed in Russiagate, but not the Conspiracy that he was a *member* of?

If Stzok had doubts and then lied on all public mentions, then he is dirty as they come regardless.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 06:18 PM (eoQWY)

430
Can Berke question himself?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 09, 2019 06:19 PM (dZDT/)

"Ghostbusters: Afterlife" Trailer

I initially didn't like it, and wanted to say "#NotMyGhostbusters," but it's grown on me in the past five minutes.

It's set in a small town in the midwest, rather than New York City. This might have something to do with Dan Aykroyd's complaining that Lady Ghostbusters cost far, far too much money to ever be profitable (even if it had been good, which it wasn't).

It also might have something to do with the film's need to position itself as different in all ways from the disastrous Lady Ghostbusters abortion. They need a different setting, a different tone, and a different age cohort of the main characters.

It also differentiates itself from Lady Ghostbusters -- and from The Real Ghostbusters -- by presenting itself not as a comedy at all, but some kind of Spielbergian action fantasy.

There are no jokes in the trailer. None.

Now that's definitely running from Lady Ghostbusters. Whether this is an accurate teaser for the actual movie or if they're just trying too hard to show they're not like the Fake Ghostbusters, desperate for laughs, I don't know.

It has a very Stranger Things look and feel, down to the Spielbergian suburban barely-middle-class messiness.

It has Paul Rudd. I didn't know he was in this.

The Ghostbusters do not appear in the clip, except in a clip from what is probably Ghostbusters 2, presented as a television news clip, as Paul Rudd explains that there were lots and lots of ghosts to bust in the 80s.

But there have been no ghosts since then. Until now.

Didn't see that one coming.

I assume the Ghostbusters will show up (the living ones, at least) to mentor the kids a little, and might even suit up for the climax, but the main characters here are clearly the little kids so the OG Ghostbusters won't be in the movie much and aren't really needed by the plot all that much.

What do you think?


Also, the Critical Drinker reviewed the trailer for the Fake James Bond movie.

Good line about the miserable, dour, sad, pathetic Daniel Craig: "James Bond must be the only guy on earth who doesn't want to be James Bond."

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:51 PM




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1 I think ...I am FIRST !!!!!

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 03:52 PM (zr5Kq)

2 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (q80AH)

3 Saw this. The only thing that seemed needless was the gunners seat. For some reason, that one is making me shake my head.

Otherwise, struck a good tone.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (ycWCI)

4


Yeah, what's up with mushface being all pissy and depressing...

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (ikxxu)

5 Early teaser means there's very little in terms of special effects available, so the ghosts are being held back.

I've also read that the surviving Ghostbusters are coming back in cameo form, ala their presences in Lady Ghostbusters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (q80AH)

6 3 Saw this. The only thing that seemed needless was the gunners seat. For some reason, that one is making me shake my head.

Otherwise, struck a good tone.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (ycWCI)

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That's canon, yo.

My toy from the 80s had it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (q80AH)

7 So I guess one of the kids is the son of a Ghostbuster, following in dad's footsteps.

Could be interesting.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (wCmLp)

8 It has a very Stranger Things look and feel, down to the Spielbergian suburban barely-middle-class messiness.

That's the sense I get right now as well, and I figure that's what we'll get. Nostalgia-driven kids in a rural setting fighting ghosts that Egon kept locked away on the family farm which are now breaking free.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (KZzsI)

9 Thanks for the change of subject, Ace !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (JwHjN)

10 So long as we're talking about movies, I saw Frozen II over the weekend. Pleasantly surprised. Not nearly as good as the original and there are zero songs that I can imagine will come close to rivaling "Let It Go", but the movie itself was better than I expected.

Much darker than the original, as well. Also not surprising.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (77WPm)

11 Also, I said this on another blog, but is there no one else in Hollywood that can actually strike the 'likable, quirky' vibe except Paul Rudd?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (ycWCI)

12
The new James Bond movie: No Time To Watch It

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (mpeBU)

13 I saw a trailer I liked for the new Bond movie called King's Man

Posted by: goodluckduck at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (rwaEp)

14 The Ghostbusters do not appear in the clip, except in a clip from what is probably Ghostbusters 2, presented as a television news clip, as Paul Rudd explains that there were lots and lots of ghosts to bust in the 80s.

But there have been no ghosts since then. Until now.

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LOL, so they retconned Lady Ghostbusters out of existence? That's a nice swipe.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (AzW6q)

15 "is there no one else in Hollywood that can actually strike the 'likable, quirky' vibe except Paul Rudd?"

That was 100% of Zoey Deschanel's turf in the 2000's...

Posted by: Ronchris at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (L513/)

16 I dunno as a kids fighting ghosts with granddaddy's tools in a non comedy Ghostbusters is what everyone wanted to see, but it seems like it might suck less than the previous one.

There was one joke at least though: the kid talking about "remember the summer we went to the country and died in an earthquake?"

You know what isn't being complained about? That a girl is one of the main characters, perhaps THE main character. Nobody is upset about that.

Almost as if the problem with lady Ghostbusters wasn't that it was girls but that THEY SUCKED AND WEREN'T FUNNY

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (KZzsI)

17 Is there a sassy black lesbian? Every movie needs that sassy black lesbian.

Posted by: Leslie Jones at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (FJYfm)

18 James Bond is dead.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (H8QX8)

19 18 James Bond is dead.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (H8QX

Long Live James Bond.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (ycWCI)

20
What do you think?


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I think Im fucking tired of sequels, reboots and homages.

Come up with something original or piss off you Hollywood dickholes.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (8XRCm)

21 Disagree with you on this one.

Looks awful.

Pass.

Posted by: HarryStamper at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (Jjs6X)

22 At least they're trying something different from the looks of it

Posted by: brak at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (dDsCa)

23 Won't be going to see either, so meh.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (RU4sa)

24 I, um, well... never watched all of the original movie, so I'm not certain I'll make the effort to see this one.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (MVjcR)

25 i think they should take us to christmas every day. that's what i think.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 03:59 PM (KP5rU)

26 James Bond is dead.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (H8QX

Long Live James Bond.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (ycWCI)



Live and Let Die James Bond

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 03:59 PM (mpeBU)

27 8 It has a very Stranger Things look and feel, down to the Spielbergian suburban barely-middle-class messiness.

That's the sense I get right now as well, and I figure that's what we'll get. Nostalgia-driven kids in a rural setting fighting ghosts that Egon kept locked away on the family farm which are now breaking free.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (KZzsI)

If memory serves me, there was an episode of the Real Ghostbusters cartoon that was about a evil spirit that Egon's family had trapped in a well generations ago.

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 03:59 PM (Izzlo)

28
So I guess one of the kids is the son of a Ghostbuster, following in dad's footsteps.


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FOUR FEET ABOVE HIS FOOTSTEPS!!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:59 PM (8XRCm)

29 Thanks for the change of pace thread Ace. I don't go to many movies anymore but I might go see this if the reviews are positive and they keep the SJW bullshit out.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (prSvo)

30 i think it's a Hollyweird movie, ergo i'm not going to see it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (NYIfp)

31 I initially didn't like it, and wanted to say "#NotMyGhostbusters," but it's grown on me in the past five minutes.



That's like, ebola speed.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (7jTtI)

32 I have no opinion since I never even saw the original Ghostbusters.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (DJFLF)

33 If it's not on TCM or MeTV, do not care.

There is nothing Hollyweird puts out that I want to see.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (RU4sa)

34 Bond could still be revived. They need to give it about 10 years, and cast someone new. It needs time to reset.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (JRaU+)

35 if the reviews are positive and they keep the SJW bullshit out.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (prSvo)



You're kidding, right?

Posted by: Hollywood at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (FJYfm)

36 Just last night I watched the little-known "lost" installment in the Ghostbusters series: "Evolution," from 2000, with David Duchovny and Julianne Moore.

Technically, it's not part of the Ghostbusters franchise, but it's basically the exact same movie as Ghostbusters with some minor plot tweaks (aliens instead of ghosts), and of course it has Dan Aykroyd acting like Dan Aykroyd.

Here's the link, in case you're never of it:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0251075/

Same exact style of CGI effects, same plucky squad of underdogs zapping the "semi-humorous, semi-scary" CGI villains with unlikely substances out of hoses and so forth, etc. etc. They just took the Ghostbusters script, changed a few actors and a few details, and re-shot it.

Oh: Was it any good? Eh. Decent. 6 out of 10.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (fK2gX)

37 I'm looking forward to this one. Jason Reitman obviously has a emotional connection to the Buster-verse since his dad directed the first two (and he had a small role as the You guys are full of crap kid in GB2) and won't cr*p the bed with this like the 2016 version did. The easter eggs are great like the stacked books, the name of the mine, not-so subtle indications who the mystery grandfather is spores, molds, and fungus.

Posted by: astronaut achmed at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (eJcTj)

38 33; smh speaks truth.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (KP5rU)

39 you're never of it = you've never heard of it

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (fK2gX)

40 Hollywood is bereft of creativity.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (cGJ7O)

41 ghosts that Egon kept locked away on the family farm which are now breaking free.

I think the "Shandor Mine" they showed is actually the source of the ghosts. Ivo Shandor designed the apartment building/ghost amplifier in the first movie, so it makes sense that his other projects have the same function under the right conditions.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (ZGrMX)

42 37 I'm looking forward to this one. Jason Reitman obviously has a emotional connection to the Buster-verse since his dad directed the first two (and he had a small role as the You guys are full of crap kid in GB2) and won't cr*p the bed with this like the 2016 version did. The easter eggs are great like the stacked books, the name of the mine, not-so subtle indications who the mystery grandfather is spores, molds, and fungus.
Posted by: astronaut achmed at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (eJcTj)

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Also, Jason Reitman is a quality filmmaker and storyteller.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (q80AH)

43 40 Hollywood is bereft of creativity.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (cGJ7O)

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When are we going to get another blazingly original film like His Girl Friday?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:02 PM (q80AH)

44 The easter eggs are great like the stacked books, the name of the mine, not-so subtle indications who the mystery grandfather is spores, molds, and fungus.
Posted by: astronaut achmed at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (eJcTj)

The "they hate this" piano keys

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 04:02 PM (Izzlo)

45 if the reviews are positive and they keep the SJW bullshit out.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (prSvo)



You're kidding, right?
Posted by: Hollywood
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Yeah WTF am I thinking, LOL.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 04:02 PM (prSvo)

46 I am looking forward to the new Ghostbusters. Looks great...I assume sufficient jokes since Paul Rudd is present. Looks like a good sequel to the GB2 ...we can just ignore the 2016 so called reboot.

Posted by: James Fuerstenberg at December 09, 2019 04:02 PM (OtQXp)

47 For the cost of 1,000 9mm 124 grain FMJ, you, too, can keep an ewok in valuerite and shelf repair kits.


'Tis the season.

These awful movies ain't going to review themselves.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (1CjJc)

48 I assume the Ghostbusters will show up (the living ones, at least)


It will really cook your noodle if Egon shows up as a ghost.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (cGJ7O)

49 Eh. Maybe on Amazon Prime, later.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (RD7QR)

50 Almost as if the problem with lady Ghostbusters wasn't that it was girls but that THEY SUCKED AND WEREN'T FUNNY
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


It was the "it's all gurls" preachiness being shoved down our throats and not, "Oh, that's just Jane. She's one of the guys"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (7jTtI)

51 LOL that Bond video. I love how he points out how miserable Craig always makes Bond look. "He must be the only man in the world who dioesn't want to be James Bond" Well yeah, having to kiss all those girls...

Just last night I watched the little-known "lost" installment in the Ghostbusters series: "Evolution," from 2000, with David Duchovny and Julianne Moore.

I;d give it more like 4 out of 10 but it was kind of interesting. Didn't really seem to understand what it was supposed to be, though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (KZzsI)

52 And what if Egon is forming a Living Busters unit?

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (cGJ7O)

53 Ace, are you aware Stacey Abrams has a "romance novel" in development with CBS for a series?

Heh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 04:04 PM (ptqGC)

54 I loved Evolutions in the theater.

Dunno how well it holds up, though.

Meanwhile, much of Ghostbusters 2 actively pissed me off.

Good times.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at December 09, 2019 04:04 PM (l8gTz)

55 12


The new James Bond movie: No Time To Watch It

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (mpeBU)

You'll Only Wretch Twice.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (1CjJc)

56 50 Almost as if the problem with lady Ghostbusters wasn't that it was girls but that THEY SUCKED AND WEREN'T FUNNY
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


It was the "it's all gurls" preachiness being shoved down our throats and not, "Oh, that's just Jane. She's one of the guys"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (7jTtI)

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It was the fact that the comedic style of Paul Feig doesn't mesh well with a tightly constructed fantasy action film.

Instead of starting from a funny script, they just had the actors riff on everything. So, the movie chugs along until the next moment the actors break character and try to be funny, boiling a three hour improv session to 15 seconds.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (q80AH)

57
Meh..... Maybe they'll do a My Three Sons reboot.


Or a St Elmos Fire homage.


*spit*

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (8XRCm)

58 Bond could still be revived. They need to give it about 10 years, and cast someone new. It needs time to reset.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (JRaU+)



They did the reboot with Daniel Craig and Casino Royale was really good. But after the first 10 minutes of Quantum of Solace it's been in a death spiral

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (mpeBU)

59 I didn't think the Bond trailer was *that* bad. I mean, I'm a simple man, I see a classic car with miniguns for headlights, I like it.

But good lord will I be glad to see the end of Craig.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (ZGrMX)

60 Lets just pretend Lady Ghostbusters never happened like Rambo 3. Trailer looks good. I would have made the kids older like out of college to college aged because it does feel like Stranger Things.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (QF1yA)

61 I think the whole "busting-ghosts" movie concept is for 10 year old boys.

The first remake was made for grown women...who are too damn old for it.

The second remake is made for grown men...who are too damn old for it.

Slimer is Undead on Arrival.

Posted by: Oschisms at December 09, 2019 04:06 PM (/U3h1)

62 I wanna see Ecto 1 in this movie as bad as I wanted to see the Millennium Falcon in the 7th SW movie. I just hope they don't F up the movie like SW.

Some legit nostalgia, unadulterated by NPC/SJW would be nice right now.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 04:06 PM (ymnmz)

63 James Bond must be the only guy on earth who doesn't want to be James Bond."
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Give us a little more time. . .

Posted by: hollyweird at December 09, 2019 04:06 PM (C6xeQ)

64 The GB 3 definitely had a Goonies vibe.

Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2019 04:06 PM (9221z)

65 Both Scooby Doo movies made pretty good Ghostbusters sequels, especially the second one.

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (bloh/)

66 I would give that Ghostbusters a try. It looks like a made-for-tv movie, though.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (UZ8BZ)

67 Bill Murray is supposed to be in it right?

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (oiW2a)

68 That girl in the Ghostbusters movie looks like a younger Dianne Franklin, as I noted before. Very similar look and sense.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (KZzsI)

69 I got a very Stranger Things vibe as well. I think one of the kids in the movie is in Stranger Things. Looks very familiar to me.

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (xPl2J)

70 So Bond dies and a black woman will be the new "Bond" 007 moving forward? This is a passing of the torch movie?

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (QF1yA)

71 It was the fact that the comedic style of Paul Feig doesn't mesh well with a tightly constructed fantasy action film.

Yeah - I was surprised by how terrible Lady Ghostbusters was because I enjoyed Feig and McCarthy's "SPY".

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (ZGrMX)

72 Heh, throw in Kevin Bacon and Jeff Daniels for a merge with the "Tremors" and "Arachnophobia" universes.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (bDqIh)

73 Apparently, the budget for the film is somewhere between $30 and $50 million.

Lady Ghostbusters cost $144 million.

This will need to do a fraction of the business Lady Ghostbusters did and make a profit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)

74 Also, the original Ghost Busters TB show...

Man. It was terrible and repetitive and J kind of love it.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (l8gTz)

75 Also, I said this on another blog, but is there no one else in Hollywood that can actually strike the 'likable, quirky' vibe except Paul Rudd?


Jeff Goldblum had that before he died.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (cGJ7O)

76 71 It was the fact that the comedic style of Paul Feig doesn't mesh well with a tightly constructed fantasy action film.

Yeah - I was surprised by how terrible Lady Ghostbusters was because I enjoyed Feig and McCarthy's "SPY".
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (ZGrMX)

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I enjoyed the middle section of that film. The bookends I found kind of awful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:08 PM (q80AH)

77 Maybe Daniel Craig is depressed because he's married to a very beautiful, but radically feminist wife who's probably been harping on how anachronistic James Bond is? Just a guess. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:08 PM (bDqIh)

78 The Bond review, of the trailer, is probably better than the movie.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 09, 2019 04:08 PM (4e+hS)

79 So Allahpundit is retweeting James Comey & has an erection over the thought of the Three Cucks (Murkowski, Collins, Romney) blocking Hunter Biden testifying in a Senate trial because of Libertarian #MuhPrinciples

PS - He orgasms all over your screen with the thought that they will vote to impeach

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 04:08 PM (FBrfY)

80
Heh, throw in Kevin Bacon and Jeff Daniels for a merge with the "Tremors" and "Arachnophobia" universes.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (bDqIh)

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Gotta gotta gotta cut loose. Footloose.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (8XRCm)

81 Funnily enough, that Ghostbusters trailer is almost exactly one of the scenarios my sister and I gamed out after the disaster of Lady Ghostbusters. "This," we said to each other, "is how this movie could have WORKED." One of our ideas was to set the movie in a no-name, off-the-beaten-path town in the Midwest or other rural location, and have a group of people set up a Ghostbusters franchise. That way you get new locations, new faces, new ghosts, but it's still tied in to the overall Ghostbusters "mythos", if you will. It sounds like this movie is trying to tap into some of those same ideas. I'm actually not adverse to seeing this one.


James Bond has been dead to me for years. If they'd cast Idris Elba I might have given it a shot, because that man is never anything but fantastic and makes everything he's in better, but this drek? Sorry, I'm washing my hair.


PS -- Yes, I think Elba can even make that hideous-looking film-adapted abortion "Cats" better, though that just puts it on the level of dog vomit, so not much of an improvement really.

Posted by: MWR, the Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (rP4OC)

82 I'm a fan of Critical Drinker. He wants movies to be good. Go away now!

Posted by: Regular joe at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (6/uwW)

83 Where's the giant ape? The cartoon had a giant ape on the team

Posted by: Tradd at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (GSJcT)

84 Looks silly and fun.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (I2dne)

85 My British friends call the Original Ghostbusters "The Most American Movie Ever Made."

"You have discovered and proven the existence of paranormal life.

"You have discovered and created ways of capturing this same life, and containing it.

"What do you, as an American, do with all of this knowledge? Do you publish?

"Of course not. YOU MAKE MONEY with it."

Quintessentially American, in their opinion.

Posted by: RobM1981 at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (2/rH5)

86 New Bond Girl is Ana de Armas. Smokin

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (CEYxb)

87 I think the whole "busting-ghosts" movie concept is for 10 year old boys.

The first remake was made for grown women...who are too damn old for it.

The second remake is made for grown men...who are too damn old for it.

Slimer is Undead on Arrival.
Posted by: Oschisms at December 09, 2019 04:06 PM (/U3h1)


Thanks. I was 20 when the original came out, and I felt like I was too old for that one at the time. But everyone keeps telling me it's a classic, so I've tried to stay quiet. But yeah, I literally ain't afraid of no ghosts.

Posted by: Ted K. at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (FJYfm)

88 So she is Egon's granddaughter? I take it that's the way in.

I'm okay with that.

Posted by: Tommy V at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (GCivW)

89 Yep, Finn Wolfhard is in Stranger Things and Ghostbusers Afterlife.

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (xPl2J)

90 79. I believe it would be more than those three. Going after a bona fide member of the senate club/their family probably runs about 70 or so senators the wrong way.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (JRaU+)

91 I think one of the kids in the movie is in Stranger Things. Looks very familiar to me.
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (xPl2J)

Young boys in movies today look so androgynous.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (H8QX8)

92

Maybe Daniel Craig is depressed because he's married to a very beautiful, but radically feminist wife who's probably been harping on how anachronistic James Bond is? Just a guess. . .

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Rachel Weisz is hardcore feminist???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (8XRCm)

93 I would give that Ghostbusters a try. It looks like a made-for-tv movie, though.

Well Neflix has blurred that line pretty effectively, they seem interchangable these days, especially with the huge TV screens you can get.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (KZzsI)

94 70
So Bond dies and a black woman will be the new "Bond" 007 moving forward? This is a passing of the torch movie?


What happens when the torch fizzles, as it inevitably will? How many times will they try to make this happen, even though it's clear that it won't?

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (T6t7i)

95 Speaking of James Bond:

I was in London earlier this year, walking down what I thought was a random street, and I followed -- or tried to follow -- Google Maps to a nice path along the Thames with a nice view across the river.

I blindly stumbled into a veritable hive of heavily armed 'security officers," both in police uniform and in plainsclothes, swarming all around me. "Excuse me! Where do you think you're going???" "Um, down here..."

"BACK AWAY! THIS AREA IS OFF LIMITS!"

I raised my eyes to notice that I was next to a new-ish building that was literally ringed with armed officers holding automatic rifles, etc.

They shooed me away without further incident.

Once out of their eyesight, I looked up what in hell the building was. To my shock, it was the MI6 headquarters -- used as a setting in many Bond films. In one of them (I forget which) Bond escapes a villain there by flying out an MI6 window on a speedboat that lands in the river.) From that very building.

It' a real place. But no Judi Dench or Pierce Brosnan or any of that. I had no clue.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (fK2gX)

96 16 There was one joke at least though: the kid talking about "remember the summer we went to the country and died in an earthquake?"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (KZzsI)

I thought he said "dived under a table." It was a little mumbly.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (UZ8BZ)

97 >>Lets just pretend Lady Ghostbusters never happened like Rambo 3.
*cough* there is only one Matrix movie *cough*

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (bDqIh)

98 Quintessentially American, in their opinion.
Posted by: RobM1981 at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (2/rH5)
+++++++++++++
I'm cool with it. Ghosts got busted, didn't they?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:11 PM (I2dne)

99 24 I, um, well... never watched all of the original movie, so I'm not certain I'll make the effort to see this one.
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (MVjcR)

Man badge!

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:11 PM (UZ8BZ)

100 89 Yep, Finn Wolfhard is in Stranger Things and Ghostbusers Afterlife.
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (xPl2J)

effin metal name on that kid

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 04:11 PM (Izzlo)

101 Bond's watch in this film is a winner, I really want one. Anyone got $10k to send me?


https://bit.ly/2REeCHN

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 04:11 PM (CQ3Qb)

102 the Bond review is the best ever writtten. he needs a newsletter.

Posted by: mr wolf at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (Mxv9c)

103 Ace, Trump IG report remarks links and vid at WZ.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (1CjJc)

104 Oh, I forgot to mention: Google deletes any mention of or identifying name for the building, on Google Maps, probably at MI6's behest. So random bozos like me would have no idea what it was. There's no sign on it anywhere.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (fK2gX)

105 I read this as Ghostbusters: Afterbirth

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (aRS3L)

106 97 >>Lets just pretend Lady Ghostbusters never happened like Rambo 3.
*cough* there is only one Matrix movie *cough*
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (bDqIh)



And only one "Speed."

Posted by: MWR, the Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (rP4OC)

107 At this point, characterizing something as Speilbergian is a death sentence for me. I have no interest in his shrieking, disrespectful children, cloddish fathers, and overwrought action sequences.

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (T6t7i)

108 79 So Allahpundit is retweeting James Comey & has an erection over the thought of the Three Cucks (Murkowski, Collins, Romney) blocking Hunter Biden testifying in a Senate trial because of Libertarian #MuhPrinciples

PS - He orgasms all over your screen with the thought that they will vote to impeach
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 04:08 PM (FBrfY)

I have a terrible gut feeling after today that The Senate will vote to impeach. Or get much closer to the 67 votes than anybody would ever imagine.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (P0nip)

109 Ghostbusters, No Fatasses looks pretty good, shockingly.

Fuck James Bond.

Free Guy with Ryan Reynolds also looks very funny.

https://youtu.be/X2m-08cOAbc

Video Game NPC Makes Good.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (fp3O8)

110 32 I have no opinion since I never even saw the original Ghostbusters.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 04:00 PM (DJFLF)

You PEOPLE.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (UZ8BZ)

111 Yep, Finn Wolfhard is in Stranger Things and Ghostbusers Afterlife.


Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (xPl2J)

I like this kid's stage name.

Posted by: Dash Riprock at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (q1Pj5)

112 Young boys in movies today look so androgynous.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (H8QX
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It's because of BPA. Apparently it's 44 percent than higher in humans than originally thought.

Posted by: Augustine at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (BDZWU)

113 Maybe Daniel Craig is depressed because he's married to a very beautiful, but radically feminist wife who's probably been harping on how anachronistic James Bond is?

Probably because she's a spectacular beard but he still has to spend time with her while dreaming of boys

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (KZzsI)

114 yes, spy, was good with Jason statham parody of himself serafinowitz (from guardians) as the handsy Italian, and apparently the way the cia worked was optimum, as compared to current reality, also rose byrne as the villainess,

Posted by: gaius martius at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (hMlTh)

115
I read this as Ghostbusters: Afterbirth

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It aint wrong....

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (8XRCm)

116 Rachel Weisz is hardcore feminist???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (8XRCm)

With angry nipples.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (1CjJc)

117 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (Zz0t1)

118 I thought he said "dived under a table." It was a little mumbly.

I heard "died under a table", which qualifies as a joke.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (ZGrMX)

119 This I might go to see.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (JUOKG)

120 I thought he said "dived under a table." It was a little mumbly.

I heard "died under a table", which qualifies as a joke.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (ZGrMX)

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No.


ENDive under the table.


He spilled his salad.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (8XRCm)

121 I heard "died under a table", which qualifies as a joke.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (ZGrMX)
+++++++++++++
That's how I heard it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (I2dne)

122 90
79. I believe it would be more than those three. Going after a bona
fide member of the senate club/their family probably runs about 70 or so
senators the wrong way.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (JRaU+)


Senator's kids being able to cash in on their parent's names is long-standing tradition. One of the perks of the job.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 04:14 PM (CQ3Qb)

123 Ace, Julie Kelly (via SD twitter) found Horowitz says Comey met with Obama nad told him of Operation Crossfire Hurricane in August 2016.

Flaming skull?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 04:14 PM (NVYyb)

124 Quintessentially American, in their opinion.

Posted by: RobM1981 at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (2/rH5)

+++++++++++++

I'm cool with it. Ghosts got busted, didn't they?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:11 PM (I2dne)

Bustin' makes me feel good!

Posted by: Ray Parker, Jr. at December 09, 2019 04:14 PM (q1Pj5)

125 it's known as the lego palace, or Vauxhall cross, you saw it get a rocket in world is not enough and blown up in skyfall,

Posted by: gaius martius at December 09, 2019 04:14 PM (hMlTh)

126 OK, couldn't watch the trailer with sound. Is the geeky girl supposed to be the daughter of Egon and Janine? 'Cause she looks like the daughter of Egon and Janine.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:14 PM (CAJOC)

127
I have a terrible gut feeling after today that The Senate will vote to impeach. Or get much closer to the 67 votes than anybody would ever imagine.
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Oh it'll be a near run thing.

Between bribery and blackmail they have a lot of leverage, on people who, frankly, don't have much character to begin with.
So yeah, not ideal.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:14 PM (1R9tp)

128 I thought he said "dived under a table." It was a little mumbly.

I think it was died under a table, but... sound mixing is terrible in movies lately, for years now. I think they're mixed so it works in a theater only and is mushy and often hard to hear on a home system (on purpose?). Usually the music is MUCH LOUDER than the dialog.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (KZzsI)

129 Hollywood is bereft of creativity.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (cGJ7O)

In fairness to the illegitimate children of women of ill repute, they are stuck. Virtually nothing since the mid-90's has had any sort of national, cultural reach except possibly Harry Potter. Big hits of today reach fractions of an ever segmented market. Hit TV shows from today would have been canceled after a season 30 years ago. That leaves Hollywood looking for anything that people all ready know about. Otherwise, it is a far bigger risk and movies cost a lot to make.

Posted by: Cromwell's Ghost at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (TSkDm)

130 At least the trailer doesn't have any song ripped off from Huey Lewis and the News.

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (xPl2J)

131 "What do you, as an American, do with all of this knowledge? Do you publish?

"Of course not. YOU MAKE MONEY with it."


To be fair, they *were* willing to just publish until Totally Not Columbia kicked them out.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (ZGrMX)

132 Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker actress Daisy Ridley recently stated that "every sane person" has an issue with President Donald Trump https://t.co/4u0TEc7bJA

In an interview with The Guardian, Ridley was asked by Nosheen Iqbal if Disney restricts what she can talk about publicly.

She responded:

"No. I don't feel I have to edit what I say - the things that make me angry are the things that make everyone angry."

She continued:

"Everyone is annoyed with [Boris Johnson]. Everyone has an issue with Trump - every sane person anyway."

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (FBrfY)

133 126 OK, couldn't watch the trailer with sound. Is the geeky girl supposed to be the daughter of Egon and Janine? 'Cause she looks like the daughter of Egon and Janine.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:14 PM (CAJOC)

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It's pretty obvious that the two kids are supposed to be grandkids of Egon (they talk about their dead granddad).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (q80AH)

134 With a trickle charger on the battery and fresh gas you might restart Ecto-1 after decades but there's no way the tires wouldn't tear right off the rims the first time you drifted on pavement.

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (FhXTo)

135 New Bond Girl is Ana de Armas. Smokin

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 04:09 PM (CEYxb)



And to prove how woke he is Craig insisted that she pegs him in the movie

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (kw5n8)

136 I thought he said "dived under a table." It was a little mumbly.



I heard "died under a table", which qualifies as a joke.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (ZGrMX)

The bathroom is on the right, but first you must kiss this guy.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (q1Pj5)

137 132 She responded:

"No. I don't feel I have to edit what I say - the things that make me angry are the things that make everyone angry."

She continued:

"Everyone is annoyed with [Boris Johnson]. Everyone has an issue with Trump - every sane person anyway."
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (FBrfY)

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"Actors are idiots."
-Anthony Hopkins

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (q80AH)

138 Hollywood is run by a bunch of middle-aged Jewish single moms who sole focus groups are their fatherless children and Mexican nannies.

Posted by: Oschisms at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (/U3h1)

139 Is the geeky girl supposed to be the daughter of Egon and Janine?

Granddaughter, most likely.

She didn't seem particularly geeky to me though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (KZzsI)

140 127. The only reason I do not buy that itll be close is that they do not have 20 GOPers to vote the wrong way.

If they could get to 67, they would get there and do it happily. But there would be a big political price to pay for crossing over and coming up short. What benefit would there be to be vote 55, and still have a raging Trump at 1600?

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (JRaU+)

141 Hmm...taking it seriously and giving it an Anonymous American setting are intriguing and, yes, Spielbergian.

Which means ace already made all the good comments.

To be fair, I didn't like the original Ghostbusters but one flash of Sigourney Weaver's tits would have redeemed it for me.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (gd9RK)

142 I thought Spy was clunky, even though it had so many good actors in it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (NVYyb)

143 they could try to adapt greg ruckas tara chase from queen and country, a little like broughton from atomic blonde, but why be original,

Posted by: gaius martius at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (hMlTh)

144 "Everyone is annoyed with [Boris Johnson]. Everyone has an issue with Trump - every sane person anyway."
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (FBrfY)
++++++++++++
Welp, I guess I'm okay with my madness. I wonder how she feels about hers.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (I2dne)

145 134 With a trickle charger on the battery and fresh gas you might restart Ecto-1 after decades but there's no way the tires wouldn't tear right off the rims the first time you drifted on pavement.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (FhXTo)

Yeah but ghosts causing earthquakes is believable.

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (Izzlo)

146 Oh wait, I did have something new to say.

Jason Reitman, as far as I know, has only made good movies.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (gd9RK)

147 138 Hollywood is run by a bunch of middle-aged Jewish single moms who sole focus groups are their fatherless children and Mexican nannies.
Posted by: Oschisms at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (/U3h1)
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What what WHAT!!??

Posted by: Sheila Broflovski at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (BDZWU)

148 After the dust has settled, that scene of Rambo playing and winning the Afghan game of carry sheep while riding horse in Rambo 3 was worse than Wymyn Ghostbusters. I'm hard pressed to find a worse more out of place scene in any film series.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (P0nip)

149 Does anyone else get a modern 'GOONIES' vibe with this new Ghostbusters?

Posted by: mr wolf at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (Mxv9c)

150 125 it's known as the lego palace, or Vauxhall cross, you saw it get a rocket in world is not enough and blown up in skyfall,
Posted by: gaius martius


I presume that was a reply to my MI6 HQ comment? If so: Interesting.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (fK2gX)

151 I would give that Ghostbusters a try. It looks like a made-for-tv movie, though.
Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:07 PM (UZ8BZ)

More movies need to be like this. In the old days, there we loads of old writers around from the days when there were scads of movies made, TV shows as well and also magazines with actual stories. People could learn to write a movie.

The collapse of the movie industry with the few huge blockbusters and fewer and fewer viewers means there are less writing slots open and the decline of education means most writers can't even make a coherent Star Wars story work.

They need to find vehicles where writers can learn to write, directors direct, etc without dropping 100 million in the process. So my question about this is *can* the writers make a coherent movie script and can the director execute it, because the lesson of most movies these days is that they can't or won't.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (eoQWY)

152
"No. I don't feel I have to edit what I say - the things that make me angry are the things that make everyone angry."


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Wasnt she in hot water recently because she claims she doesnt have any privilege coming from a well to do white family.?

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (8XRCm)

153 106 97 >>Lets just pretend Lady Ghostbusters never happened like Rambo 3.
*cough* there is only one Matrix movie *cough*
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (bDqIh)
And only one "Speed."
Posted by: MWR, the Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 09, 2019 04:12 PM (rP4OC)

Highlander 2: There Should Only have been One.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (V2Yro)

154 95
It' a real place. But no Judi Dench or Pierce Brosnan or any of that.

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Posted by: Anachronda wants to believe at December 09, 2019 04:18 PM (sGtp+)

155 The senate isn't going to impeach. Trump will be reelected. Libs will be miserable and continue to make everyone else miserable. Film at 11.

Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 04:18 PM (3ZQT1)

156 146 Oh wait, I did have something new to say.

Jason Reitman, as far as I know, has only made good movies.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (gd9RK)

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I rate this statement as true.

I had held off of Labor Day for a while because it wasn't that well received upon its release. When I finally watched it, I loved it. It was tender and sweet.

Young Adult is really good.
Up in the Air is really good.
Juno is good.
Tully is probably great.
Thank You For Smoking is in the top tier of directing debuts.

Dude has chops.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:18 PM (q80AH)

157 Julie Kelly is reporting that Comey told OBAMA about Crossfire Hurricane at the WH in August '16

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 04:18 PM (CqE5x)

158 Maybe they're saving the jokes for the movie and/or full trailer? This is just to set up bare premise and introduce characters. Paul Rudd is a pleasant surprise, and he can make otherwise serious-y stuff funny like Ant-Man - kinda like the original GB; action fantasy starring funny people.

I like the trailer. Ghostbusters already did "the same, but more" with GBII, and LGB flopped hard with it. Change up the format.

For example - the change in type of movie (horror to mil action sci-fi) is what kept Aliens from being merely a rehash, but a fresh take.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:18 PM (ijEPD)

159 To be fair, I didn't like the original Ghostbusters but one flash of Sigourney Weaver's tits would have redeemed it for me.

Bill Murray's character got a pretty good eyefull. Which I thought was hilarious because that's exactly what he WOULD do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:18 PM (KZzsI)

160 I thought Janine and Louis were hooked up. Egon had brushed off Janine.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 04:18 PM (q1Pj5)

161 Does anyone else get a modern 'GOONIES' vibe with this new Ghostbusters?

Yes. Everyone's saying Stranger Things, but ST is itself a ripoff of The Goonies.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (ZGrMX)

162 "Actors are idiots."

-Anthony Hopkins

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:16 PM (q80AH)

They lie for a living.

Posted by: Henry Spencer at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (1CjJc)

163 >>And only one "Speed."


Heck yeah, MWR! Who was that imposter in the alleged sequel? Never mind, not Keanu!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (bDqIh)

164 149 Does anyone else get a modern 'GOONIES' vibe with this new Ghostbusters?
Posted by: mr wolf at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (Mxv9c)



80s nostalgia is very chic right now. I expect that extends to the framing of movie trailers, if not necessarily the movies themselves.

Posted by: MWR, the Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (rP4OC)

165 134
With a trickle charger on the battery and fresh gas you might restart
Ecto-1 after decades but there's no way the tires wouldn't tear right
off the rims the first time you drifted on pavement.


Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (FhXTo)

Never underestimate Stantz. Perhaps it's got a proton pack for an engine and tires made of flubber?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (ymnmz)

166 OK, couldn't watch the trailer with sound. Is the geeky girl supposed to
be the daughter of Egon and Janine? 'Cause she looks like the daughter
of Egon and Janine.




Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:14 PM

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That was a girl?

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (JUOKG)

167 "Everyone is annoyed with [Boris Johnson]. Everyone has an issue with Trump - every sane person anyway."
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (FBrfY)

Every True Scotsman has an issue with Trump.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (V2Yro)

168 I might give it a go, for a few reasons.

1. It's different. It's not just a story about "can kids do it," it's a story about ghosts in a different place, acting differently. I'm frankly indifferent about the kids. Even more frankly, I might enjoy this more if they weren't kids.

2. It's a sequel, but not really. I've always liked the "if you found grandpa's old (insert name of gadget)" plot device.

3. It can have women in it. I don't care. I didn't see any girls, just boys, but I wasn't really paying attention.

4. I really like Paul Rudd

Posted by: RobM1981 at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (2/rH5)

169 145
134 With a trickle charger on the battery and fresh gas you might
restart Ecto-1 after decades but there's no way the tires wouldn't tear
right off the rims the first time you drifted on pavement.

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (FhXTo)



Yeah but ghosts causing earthquakes is believable.


who else you gonna blame? the navy? (that is an actual local conspiracy theory in my neck of the lack of woods)

Posted by: Anachronda at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (sGtp+)

170 164 149 Does anyone else get a modern 'GOONIES' vibe with this new Ghostbusters?
Posted by: mr wolf at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (Mxv9c)


80s nostalgia is very chic right now. I expect that extends to the framing of movie trailers, if not necessarily the movies themselves.
Posted by: MWR, the Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (rP4OC)

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This is true.

The trailer feels like Stranger Things on purpose.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (q80AH)

171 "No. I don't feel I have to edit what I say - the things that make me angry are the things that make everyone angry."

She continued:

"Everyone is annoyed with [Boris Johnson]. Everyone has an issue with Trump - every sane person anyway."
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (FBrfY)

Apparently nobody has an issue of the Dictator in China.

Cmon, Rey, take another stab at the US and UK gross for this last one.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (eoQWY)

172 Highlander 2: There Should Only have been One.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (V2Yro)

Highlander 3 is the Highlander 2 we should have had.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (ijEPD)

173 161 Does anyone else get a modern 'GOONIES' vibe with this new Ghostbusters?

Yes. Everyone's saying Stranger Things, but ST is itself a ripoff of The Goonies.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (ZGrMX)


Stranger Things is Goonies if directed by John Carpenter

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (Izzlo)

174 @BuckSexton ... "As expected, the basic party line from within the DOJ is that all these mistakes and errors that were useful to the anti-Trump cause were somehow good faith errors, because the FBI had some very reckless and dumb people working the most politically sensitive case in its history"

also Buck
"What America learned today is that a glorified internet rumor padded with bad faith 'opposition research' can lead to most powerful law enforcement agency in the world opening up a relentless investigation that ignores all contrary evidence in its quest to crush innocent people"

Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (Cus5s)

175 Does anyone else get a modern 'GOONIES' vibe with this new Ghostbusters?

Kind of, but only because we're old and Stranger Things is the new "geeky kids do good" film.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (KZzsI)

176 Highlander 2: There Should Only have been One.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (V2Yro)

Thanks for the reminder. I had finally forgotten how awful that was.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (1CjJc)

177 Speaking for myself, I kind of lost interest in Stranger Things after season two. I can't be the only one.

Posted by: Augustine at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (BDZWU)

178 >>Hollywood is run by a bunch of middle-aged Jewish single moms who sole
focus groups are their fatherless children and Mexican nannies.
Uh, I think that's a movie starring Adam Sandler?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (bDqIh)

179 Looks like it would be an interesting movie. I'm intrigued.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (9Om/r)

180 157
Julie Kelly is reporting that Comey told OBAMA about Crossfire Hurricane at the WH in August '16

Posted by: JoeF. at December 09, 2019 04:18 PM (CqE5x)


But then Bammy got all high and forgot, so no foul.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (ymnmz)

181 oh ralph fiennes, the new m's uncle, comes from the deep state, his uncle ranulph was the basis for the killer elite, based on his experiences in the sas, and his grandfather was a general,

Posted by: gaius martius at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (hMlTh)

182 80s nostalgia is very chic right now.

See also: the "Wonder Woman: 1984" trailer, in which they cut all of the gunfire sounds to match up with the drumbeats in New Order's "Blue Monday".

Not gonna lie, that's freaking awesome.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (ZGrMX)

183 That was 100% of Zoey Deschanel's turf in the 2000's...
Posted by: Ronchris at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (L513/)


The difference is that I don't want to choke Paul Rudd and spit in his face...

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (wCmLp)

184 182 80s nostalgia is very chic right now.

See also: the "Wonder Woman: 1984" trailer, in which they cut all of the gunfire sounds to match up with the drumbeats in New Order's "Blue Monday".

Not gonna lie, that's freaking awesome.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (ZGrMX)

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Done better in Baby Driver.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (q80AH)

185 178
>>Hollywood is run by a bunch of middle-aged Jewish single moms who sole

focus groups are their fatherless children and Mexican nannies.
Uh, I think that's a movie starring Adam Sandler?


Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (bDqIh)


A movie?.......every movie by Adam Sandler.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 04:21 PM (ymnmz)

186
Know what movie DESERVES a reboot????


BATTLESHIP!!!


Cheesy predicatable B grade movie that for some reason I find irresistible.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (8XRCm)

187 Thank You For Smoking is in the top tier of directing debuts.


Thank You For Smoking is the most deplorably under-memed movie evah.

We should be saying "just add a line of dialogue" and such every day around here.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (gd9RK)

188 163 >>And only one "Speed."


Heck yeah, MWR! Who was that imposter in the alleged sequel? Never mind, not Keanu!
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (bDqIh)



Poor Jason Patric. He was the one who also had to fill Brandon Lee's shoes in the second "Crow" movie. I feel for the guy, but come on. You can't replace KEANU.

Posted by: MWR, the Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (rP4OC)

189
If it's not on TCM or MeTV, do not care.

There is nothing Hollyweird puts out that I want to see.
Posted by: SMH

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Plot: Conservative woman, freshly disillusioned from Horowitz report, reluctantly goes shopping during the Christmas season because she needs teddy bears for target practice. In the store, she meets a sexy, middle-aged ex-reporter freshly rehabbed from coke, booze, meth, Vicodin, and Dexedrine. When she finds out that he doesn't know a soul in town and he hasn't told anyone where he is, she sets the teddy bears aside and invites him for a tour of the snowy backwoods.

Hordemark Christmas Channel

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (M9ntN)

190 More movies need to be like this. In the old days, there we loads of old writers around from the days when there were scads of movies made, TV shows as well and also magazines with actual stories. People could learn to write a movie.

The collapse of the movie industry with the few huge blockbusters and fewer and fewer viewers means there are less writing slots open and the decline of education means most writers can't even make a coherent Star Wars story work.



When was the last Wednesday Night Movie of the Week or a two parter or four part mini-series?

Now it all goes to Amazon or Netflix.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (7jTtI)

191 I feel for the guy, but come on. You can't replace KEANU.

Or Brandon

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (KZzsI)

192 Rudd's best movie was Role Models.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (oiW2a)

193 "Never Ending Story 2" It's the only sequel that's an oxymoron

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (Izzlo)

194 159 To be fair, I didn't like the original Ghostbusters but one flash of Sigourney Weaver's tits would have redeemed it for me.

Bill Murray's character got a pretty good eyefull. Which I thought was hilarious because that's exactly what he WOULD do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:18 PM (KZzsI)

If you want to see Sigourney Weaver's tits in their full glory - for a relatively extended period of time, I suggest you find a copy of Half Moon Street.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:23 PM (ijEPD)

195 Still waiting on a 28 Months zombie movie.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 04:23 PM (q1Pj5)

196
The Bond movies have been going down the PC shitter since the awful Brosnan ones. Having Judi Dench as a bitch and the pinch faced scold they had as Moneypenny was to let us know the wymyn were in charge and Bond was just the blunt force to do the dirty work. I always imagined that if Judi Dench's M met Connery's Bond and she started to lecture him, he would head butt her and then tell her to get him a drink

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 04:23 PM (mpeBU)

197 177
Speaking for myself, I kind of lost interest in Stranger Things after season two. I can't be the only one.

Posted by: Augustine at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (BDZWU)


Two kinda sucked, but three was pretty good and set up for what I hope is a kick ass 4. 4 could be real good. Watch three if you haven't.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 04:23 PM (ymnmz)

198 Mads Mikkelsen looks like a waxworks and chickenfat golem of Mads Mikkelsen.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 09, 2019 04:23 PM (Dc2NZ)

199 Rudd's best movie was Role Models.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (oiW2a)

Never heard of him.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at December 09, 2019 04:23 PM (K3zSe)

200 173 161 Does anyone else get a modern 'GOONIES' vibe with this new Ghostbusters?

Yes. Everyone's saying Stranger Things, but ST is itself a ripoff of The Goonies.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (ZGrMX)


Stranger Things is Goonies if directed by John Carpenter
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (Izzlo)




Stranger Things is a deliberate mash-up of "The Goonies" and "It"/"Stand By Me."

Posted by: MWR, the Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM (rP4OC)

201 166 OK, couldn't watch the trailer with sound. Is the geeky girl supposed to
be the daughter of Egon and Janine? 'Cause she looks like the daughter
of Egon and Janine.




Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:14 PM

---

That was a girl?
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (JUOKG)

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Certainly looked that way to me. If she wasn't, well, the make-up department is not impressing me so far.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM (CAJOC)

202 That was 100% of Zoey Deschanel's turf in the 2000's...
Posted by: Ronchris at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (L513/)

She's dating one of the Property Brothers.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM (oiW2a)

203 Oh, and Ace is missing a ripe aspect of this story:

The New Ghostbusters Trailer Is Out, and It's Already Causing SJW Meltdowns

https://tinyurl.com/rlazuko

==========

Fans of the Lady Ghostbusters are losing their minds because this one is ignoring that one from 2016.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM (q80AH)

204 Thank You For Smoking is the most deplorably under-memed movie evah.

We should be saying "just add a line of dialogue" and such every day around here.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (gd9

I loved that movie.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM (7bcfy)

205 looks decent! but there better be 30 minutes of bil murray and dan ackroyd beginning exactly where this trailer leave off

Posted by: Chris M. at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM (FGZtn)

206 Speaking for myself, I kind of lost interest in Stranger Things after season two. I can't be the only one.

I lost interest 3 episodes in. It was heavy on the something is going to happen and light on the anything interesting actually happening. This is common with made-for-streaming series in my experience; they have a 90-120 minute movie and they drag it out into 8-12 episodes.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:25 PM (ZGrMX)

207 118 I thought he said "dived under a table." It was a little mumbly.

I heard "died under a table", which qualifies as a joke.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:13 PM (ZGrMX)

Does this make them zombies?

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:25 PM (UZ8BZ)

208 I tried to watch 5 minutes of the coverage on the hearings. God, I can't imagine how anyone can sit through all of that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:25 PM (V2Yro)

209 Makes a lot of sense to cast a kid from an 80s nostalgia horror/sci-fi series in an 80s nostalgia horror/sci-fi movie.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 04:25 PM (NWiLs)

210 Know what movie DESERVES a reboot????


BATTLESHIP!!!


Cheesy predicatable B grade movie that for some reason I find irresistible.
Posted by: fixerupper



The Mighty Mo has one more shot in her.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:25 PM (7jTtI)

211 Who ya gonna call?

Impeachment Busters!

Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 04:25 PM (NgKpN)

212 203 Oh, and Ace is missing a ripe aspect of this story:

The New Ghostbusters Trailer Is Out, and It's Already Causing SJW Meltdowns

https://tinyurl.com/rlazuko

==========

Fans of the Lady Ghostbusters are losing their minds because this one is ignoring that one from 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM (q80AH)

That's "fan", not plural. But she does have 12 cats, so the confusion is understandable.

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (Izzlo)

213 >>Plot: Conservative woman, freshly disillusioned from Horowitz report,
reluctantly goes shopping during the Christmas season because she needs
teddy bears for target practice. In the store, she meets a sexy,
middle-aged ex-reporter freshly rehabbed from coke, booze, meth,
Vicodin, and Dexedrine. When she finds out that he doesn't know a soul
in town and he hasn't told anyone where he is, she sets the teddy bears
aside and invites him for a tour of the snowy backwoods.



Hordemark Christmas Channel- - -


You forgot the part where she settles down with the hunky Canadian actor, sipping cocoa by the fire and wearing matching plaid pjs. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (bDqIh)

214 192 Rudd's best movie was Role Models.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (oiW2a)
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Ken Jeong was great as the LARP king who required public displays of fealty, even in the waffle house.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (Dc2NZ)

215 209 Makes a lot of sense to cast a kid from an 80s nostalgia horror/sci-fi series in an 80s nostalgia horror/sci-fi movie.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 04:25 PM (NWiLs)

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I've got one word for you: plastics synergy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (q80AH)

216 Fans of the Lady Ghostbusters are losing their minds because this one is ignoring that one from 2016.

They already lost their minds when Jason Reitman said "this one is for the fans", because the fans are all racist and sexist and homophobic.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (ZGrMX)

217 also Buck
"What America learned today is that a
glorified internet rumor padded with bad faith 'opposition research' can
lead to most powerful law enforcement agency in the world opening up a
relentless investigation that ignores all contrary evidence in its quest
to crush innocent people"

Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 04:20 PM (Cus5s)

YEP.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (ymnmz)

218 192 Rudd's best movie was Role Models.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (oiW2a)

Underrated

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (P0nip)

219 -
--
She's dating one of the Property Brothers.


Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM

-------------------

And , probably, Cory Booker.

Posted by: irright at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (pMGkg)

220 Hordemark Christmas Channel
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (M9ntN)
+++++++++++
I'd watch it.

He was a straight-laced conservative going to school for engineering.
She was an out-and-proud communist going to school for media studies.
When their paths cross in the student union, hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (I2dne)

221 So is this Russia, this isn't Russia is it Danny?

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (+6JXk)

222 128 I thought he said "dived under a table." It was a little mumbly.

I think it was died under a table, but... sound mixing is terrible in movies lately, for years now. I think they're mixed so it works in a theater only and is mushy and often hard to hear on a home system (on purpose?). Usually the music is MUCH LOUDER than the dialog.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (KZzsI)

Plus, maybe, most of our ears aren't 29 anymore.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (UZ8BZ)

223 193 "Never Ending Story 2" It's the only sequel that's an oxymoron
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (Izzlo)

---------------------------

Except for Never Ending Story 3.

Of course, if we're just pretending that one doesn't exist, I'm cool with that.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (CAJOC)

224 I wanted to see The Never Ending Story but didn't have the time.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (oiW2a)

225 216 Fans of the Lady Ghostbusters are losing their minds because this one is ignoring that one from 2016.

They already lost their minds when Jason Reitman said "this one is for the fans", because the fans are all racist and sexist and homophobic.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (ZGrMX)

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It's delicious.

I want this cheaper late sequel of Ghostbusters to make more money than the much more expensive earlier late sequel to Ghostbusters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (q80AH)

226 206 Speaking for myself, I kind of lost interest in Stranger Things after season two. I can't be the only one.

I lost interest 3 episodes in. It was heavy on the something is going to happen and light on the anything interesting actually happening. This is common with made-for-streaming series in my experience; they have a 90-120 minute movie and they drag it out into 8-12 episodes.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:25 PM (ZGrMX)




Season 2 was actually my favorite season of ST thus far. S3 was fun, but I thought S2 was a lot more interesting. YOu just have to get past the first two or three episodes.

Posted by: MWR, the Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (rP4OC)

227 The Ghostbusters thing looks decent - definitely better than the unmentionable last version - but the thing that the original movies did so masterfully was being able to thread the needle between taking itself too seriously and having a good laugh. The new one doesn't look to be trying to be a comedy in any sense outside of the "it has a jump seat?!" quirkiness.

I'll see it when it comes to streaming.

I was MUCH more psyched about the Witcher character videos that Netflix released today. I really was assured that the show will due its diligence to the real source material (the books) even despite the EP's "mixed" history (Daredevil).

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (9V81o)

228 If you want to see Sigourney Weaver's tits in their full glory - for a relatively extended period of time, I suggest you find a copy of Half Moon Street.


Very low quality VHS era reproductions are available.

Despite how awfully stupid that movie was it deserves the Criterion Collection treatment to restore and re-evaluate her tits.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (gd9RK)

229 That kid could be the next Meeno Peluce!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 04:28 PM (hbTkw)

230 227 I'll see it when it comes to streaming.

I was MUCH more psyched about the Witcher character videos that Netflix released today. I really was assured that the show will due its diligence to the real source material (the books) even despite the EP's "mixed" history (Daredevil).
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (9V81o)

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I'm really weird about taking on new TV, but I'm definitely going to watch The Witcher.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:28 PM (q80AH)

231 224
I wanted to see The Never Ending Story but didn't have the time.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (oiW2a)

It felt like it would never end.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:28 PM (1CjJc)

232 Fans of the Lady Ghostbusters are losing their minds because this one is ignoring that one from 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM (q80AH)

Oh! I already know a survey question I would love to see on Reddit and other places!!

Q) Who are the Best Ghostbusters Team?
1) Original Ghostbusters
2) "Real Ghostbusters"
3) New Kidz Ghostbusters
4) Dem Bitches!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:28 PM (V2Yro)

233 Sigourney Weaver shows up in the cast list on IMDB, but no one else from Ghostbusters.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 04:28 PM (so+oy)

234 I thought he said "dived under a table." It was a little mumbly.

I think it was died under a table, but... sound mixing is terrible in movies lately, for years now. I think they're mixed so it works in a theater only and is mushy and often hard to hear on a home system (on purpose?). Usually the music is MUCH LOUDER than the dialog.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


Plus, maybe, most of our ears aren't 29 anymore.
Posted by: m


WHAT? I can't hear you over the ringing in my ears!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:28 PM (7jTtI)

235 Well the one kid is in Stranger Things, but yeah nevertheless, they definitely are going for that style sense. I think I like it though. Should have been the original follow-up movie.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 04:29 PM (r+sAi)

236 Meh. How many of these kids-save-us from evil stories can there be? Stranger Things, Super 8. And if there's not going to be a real Ghostbusters connection (same actors featured; same genre), then what's the point of the franchise connection other than marketing? This looks pretty forgettable.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2019 04:29 PM (7lKeD)

237 233 Sigourney Weaver shows up in the cast list on IMDB, but no one else from Ghostbusters.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 04:28 PM (so+oy)

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It's been reported that all the surviving Ghostbusters will be in it. They'll probably be no more than cameos.

IMDB isn't that reliable a source of information for things that aren't actually out yet.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:29 PM (q80AH)

238 206 Speaking for myself, I kind of lost interest in Stranger Things after season two. I can't be the only one.

I lost interest 3 episodes in. It was heavy on the something is going to happen and light on the anything interesting actually happening. This is common with made-for-streaming series in my experience; they have a 90-120 minute movie and they drag it out into 8-12 episodes.
Posted by: Ian S.
.......

Same here.. just could not bring myself to watch any more after 2-3 episodes.

Season 3 was just the opposite.. lotsa fun!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 04:29 PM (so+oy)

239 goonies meets ghostbusters

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (gmo/4)

240 239 goonies meets ghostbusters
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (gmo/4)

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Better than Melissa McCarthy meets Ghostbusters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (q80AH)

241 231 224
I wanted to see The Never Ending Story but didn't have the time.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (oiW2a)

It felt like it would never end.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:28 PM (1CjJc)
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What a blatant case of false advertising!

Posted by: Lionel Hutz at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (BDZWU)

242

Very low quality VHS era reproductions are available.



Also went to laserdisc.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (hbTkw)

243 This is more of a Spielberg vibe because most of his movies were some type of adventure with Kids involved, I like his movies. Stranger Things is some type of Spielberg Movie, Hell I liked Ready Player one. I miss going to movies and turning my Brain off and enjoying it.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (dKiJG)

244 Star Wars Actor Daisy Ridley: "Every Sane Person" Has an Issue With President Donald Trump

Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (3aI0K)

245 >>Thank You For Smoking is the most deplorably under-memed movie evah.
- - -
Dennis Miller, on his old daily radio show, used to always say, "Wassup, Hiroshi! Keep goin, that sand's not gonna rake itself" -- it's what the assist to Rob Lowe's character says as he walking Aaron Eckhart and his kid to meet with Lowe.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (bDqIh)

246 Season 2 was actually my favorite season of ST thus
far. S3 was fun, but I thought S2 was a lot more interesting. YOu just
have to get past the first two or three episodes.

Posted by: MWR, the Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (rP4OC)


11 kinda wandering around Chicago was an obvious attempt at a spin off and nearly ruined the season for me. Liked her return to the town to everyone's relief when they were cornered in the house.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (ymnmz)

247 210 Know what movie DESERVES a reboot????


BATTLESHIP!!!


Cheesy predicatable B grade movie that for some reason I find irresistible.
Posted by: fixerupper

I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening. That needs a remake IMO.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (9V81o)

248 What America learned today is that a
glorified internet rumor padded with bad faith 'opposition research' can
lead to most powerful law enforcement agency in the world opening up a
relentless investigation that ignores all contrary evidence in its quest
to crush innocent people
======
This is actually the spin.

you see its not a rumor that started in a vacuum and got picked up by the FBI in good faith or even incompetence with a laudable goal in mind.

This was a coup. Clinton - Obama-DOJ/FBI.

They meant to reverse the election or at least hamstring trump's term and prevent a second term. They didn't want to give up their lifestyles, nor their self appointed positions as are lords and masters.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (+Xc11)

249 Probably will never see it, ok maybe 6 years from now on some cable channel

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (ZCEU2)

250 244 Star Wars Actor Daisy Ridley: "Every Sane Person" Has an Issue With President Donald Trump
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (3aI0K)
===

Daisy Ridley: *Exists*
Bad Star Wars movies: I'm about to end this woman's whole career.

Posted by: Lionel Hutz at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (BDZWU)

251 @mathewrodriguez
lmao of course Ghostbusters: Afterlife is about family and lineage and legacy and all these other fucking white patriarchal American values. It's literally a reaction to the idea of 4 women, including one Black woman. The franchise must assert its "REAL" predecessor.


Yeah. Knowing who your dad is and having a family is just super white. So freaking white, man. Like, no one but why people have ever tried to keep bastardy to a minimum or anything.

Good lord, these people are tiresome.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (I2dne)

252
Daisy Ridley.


What an odd name for that boy.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (8XRCm)

253 We should talk about The Coup as though it were a movie.

I will go first.

When will they stop talking and start fighting?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (jKBVK)

254 I have reached the point in my life that seeing ECTO-1 make a comeback causes my heart to skip a beat.

Which makes me afraid that this reboot will be as disappointing as all of the Transformers movies.

Hollywood seems to take turns crushing my esteem for who I am as a man now, and crushing my fond childhood memories of what made me the man I am now.

I'll rent Ghostbusters from Amazon.

I'll probably never watch that James Bond.

Posted by: reason at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (V40IZ)

255 can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening.
=====
Final Countdown . . .

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (+Xc11)

256 Meh. How many of these kids-save-us from evil stories can there be? Stranger Things, Super 8. And if there's not going to be a real Ghostbusters connection (same actors featured; same genre), then what's the point of the franchise connection other than marketing? This looks pretty forgettable.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2019 04:29 PM (7lKeD)

Almost every YA live action and cartoon show has this plot and always will. Old plots are the best.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (eoQWY)

257 The Last Star Fighter doesn't get enough love.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (P0nip)

258 Very low quality VHS era reproductions are available.



Despite how awfully stupid that movie was it deserves the Criterion Collection treatment to restore and re-evaluate her tits.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (gd9RK)

An exhaustive review of the DDG image search results reveals that, apparently, they had not yet invented women's clothing when that was filmed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (1CjJc)

259 Speaking of ghosts . . . Or maybe zombies . . . Vampires ? ? ?

POLL: Hillary top choice of Dem voters...

Mrs. Clinton drew 21%, followed by former Vice President Joseph R. Biden with 20%, when registered Democrats were asked whom they would support for the 2020 party presidential nod if she and former Secretary of State John Kerry were added to the mix.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (+y/Ru)

260 248. Right. it is not just "crush innocent people" it is "choose their own boss, so they can blackmail them so they can continue to crush innocent people."

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (JRaU+)

261
Oh, and Ace is missing a ripe aspect of this story:



The New Ghostbusters Trailer Is Out, and It's Already Causing SJW Meltdowns



https://tinyurl.com/rlazuko



==========



Fans of the Lady Ghostbusters are losing their minds because this one is ignoring that one from 2016.


Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM

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Nice, now I am definitely going to go and see it just to pi$$ them off.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (JUOKG)

262 251 @mathewrodriguez
lmao of course Ghostbusters: Afterlife is about family and lineage and legacy and all these other fucking white patriarchal American values. It's literally a reaction to the idea of 4 women, including one Black woman. The franchise must assert its "REAL" predecessor.

Yeah. Knowing who your dad is and having a family is just super white. So freaking white, man. Like, no one but why people have ever tried to keep bastardy to a minimum or anything.

Good lord, these people are tiresome.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (I2dne)

=========

"All franchises must support the latest SJW line or else they are retrograde and will be destroyed!"
-Person who loves movies, apparently

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (q80AH)

263 I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening. That needs a remake IMO.
Posted by: Defenestratus


Philadelphia Experiment?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (7jTtI)

264 Same here.. just could not bring myself to watch any more after 2-3 episodes.



Season 3 was just the opposite.. lotsa fun!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 04:29 PM (so+oy)

The big chase scene with that one kid singing with his girlfriend as the soundtrack to the chase was pretty good fun.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (ymnmz)

265 When will they stop talking and start fighting?
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (jKBVK)
+++++++++++
Eigth movie, third act.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (I2dne)

266 I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening. That needs a remake IMO.
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (9V81o)

The Final Countdown. (1980) This time they could give it the theme song it was destined to have!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (V2Yro)

267 I dated a guy for a while that looked like Keanu .

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (im5Mo)

268 I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening. That needs a remake IMO.
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (9V81o)

I'd watch that.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (7bcfy)

269 final countdown with kirk douglas and james farentino, based on a novel by martin Caiden, the guy behind the six million dollar man,

Posted by: gaius martius at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (hMlTh)

270 UMMMMMMM LG is tearing the IG apart hahaha

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (BqBId)

271 Dennis Miller, on his old daily radio show, used to always say, "Wassup, Hiroshi! Keep goin, that sand's not gonna rake itself" -- it's what the assist to Rob Lowe's character says as he walking Aaron Eckhart and his kid to meet with Lowe.


Oh cool. I always liked Dennis Miller, I only got his radio show sporadically. I even liked him on Monday Night Football.

But that's my point, he was memeing Thank You For Smoking and we're not.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (gd9RK)

272 Yeah. Knowing who your dad is and having a family is just super white. So freaking white, man. Like, no one but why people have ever tried to keep bastardy to a minimum or anything.

Good lord, these people are tiresome.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (I2dne)

It is like having a conversation with someone who learned English from Fortune Cookies. All Bromides.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (eoQWY)

273 I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening. That needs a remake IMO.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (9V81o)

The Final Countdown.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (ijEPD)

274 Sure, YA has those kind of plots. No one here is YA though. If they want to market this to kids, that's fine. But what's its appeal to 29-year-olds?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (7lKeD)

275 257 The Last Star Fighter doesn't get enough love.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (P0nip)

I agree and I would say the same for BlackHole, and Yeah as a young kid I loved the Robots.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (dKiJG)

276
I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening. That needs a remake IMO.
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (9V81o)

----

The Final Countdown

Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (8XRCm)

277 Oops, off sock.

I actually did finish season 2 of Stranger Things and enjoyed it but when I saw the trailer for season three I was kind of like "Eh, been there done that."

Posted by: Augustine at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (BDZWU)

278 Are you a god?
Aim for the flat top!

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (gmo/4)

279 I should clarify: I mean I made it 2-3 episodes into S*1* of Stranger Things and bailed from terminal boredom. Never seen 2 or 3. I dig the monster from it that showed up in the video game "Dead By Daylight" though (it's also got Jason, Freddie, Leatherface, and the Pig from the Saw movies).

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (ZGrMX)

280 Philadelphia Experiment?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (7jTtI)

No, that was the one where Katherine Hepburn was just insufferable.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (V2Yro)

281 >>The Last Star Fighter doesn't get enough love.
- - -

Yes, underrated. It was sincere and fun.

There was talk of a remake, I hope that doesn't happen.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (bDqIh)

282 59 I didn't think the Bond trailer was *that* bad. I mean, I'm a simple man, I see a classic car with miniguns for headlights, I like it.

But good lord will I be glad to see the end of Craig.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (ZGrMX)

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I saw ten minutes of one of the newer James Bond movies
Danial Craig reminded so much of Vladimir Putin, that I actually disliked his character.

I would love to see something semi original in the theaters.

Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (+0uDE)

283 I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening. That needs a remake IMO.

Posted by: Defenestratus



The Final Countdown 1980 with Kirk Douglas

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 04:35 PM (mpeBU)

284 Those trailers?
I didn't see a strung out Asian dude jump out of a trunk naked and start hitting everybody with a crowbar, so I'll pass.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 04:35 PM (v0R5T)

285 Heh...same shaggy headed kid from Stranger Things, which jumped the shark by season two btw. And did I mention, Wynona's big brown yap wouldn't stop whining. Carry on.

Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 04:35 PM (u6xw0)

286 244 Star Wars Actor Daisy Ridley: "Every Sane Person" Has an Issue With President Donald Trump
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (3aI0K)

-----------------------------

Wel, techinically it's true. Many people on this very smart military blog have expressed consternation with a number of his hiring choices.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:35 PM (CAJOC)

287 214 192 Rudd's best movie was Role Models.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:22 PM (oiW2a)
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Ken Jeong was great as the LARP king who required public displays of fealty, even in the waffle house.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 09, 2019 04:26 PM (Dc2NZ)

"Let us gingerly touch our tips!"

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 04:35 PM (NWiLs)

288 Final Countdown . . .
Posted by: simplemind


Golf clap

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:35 PM (7jTtI)

289 I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening. That needs a remake IMO.
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:31 PM (9V81o)

I'd watch that.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (7bcfy)

What is odd is that on my Youtube recommended list was a video about "could a modern US Carrier beat the entire 1941 Japanese Navy"?

I haven't watched it though.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:35 PM (eoQWY)

290 Know what movie DESERVES a reboot????


BATTLESHIP!!!


Cheesy predicatable B grade movie that for some reason I find irresistible.
Posted by: fixerupper



The Mighty Mo has one more shot in her.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:25 PM (7jTtI)



The Wisconsin is called up to fight a Zombie Tirpitz.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (cGJ7O)

291 The Final Countdown. (1980) This time they could give it the theme song it was destined to have!
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (V2Yro)

Thanks to all who reminded me. I'mma go see if I can find that online now.

That movie scratches my anachronistic "what if..." itch that I get from time to time

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (9V81o)

292 An exhaustive review of the DDG image search results reveals that, apparently, they had not yet invented women's clothing when that was filmed.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (1CjJc)

Is that bad?

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (K3zSe)

293 @SteveGuest
NBC News' Pete Williams: IG found FISA application process was 'screwed up at every level."
Video

https://tinyurl.com/wxpeors

Posted by: redridinghood at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (wiXsO)

294 282
I would love to see something semi original in the theaters.
Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (+0uDE)

==========

Originality is overrated because there's nothing actually original.

It's all just repackaging of things we've heard before. Hell, Romeo and Juliet is another telling of Pyramus and Thisbe.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (q80AH)

295 263 I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was one where a modern (at the time) aircraft carrier gets sucked into a time warp and ends up outside of Hawaii and is in a position to stop Pearl Harbor from happening. That needs a remake IMO.
Posted by: Defenestratus


Philadelphia Experiment?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (7jTtI)

I so Wanted them to blow the crap out of the Jap Navy, It could be remade and have them Blow Up the Navy and follow the repercussions of that act.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (dKiJG)

296 275 257 The Last Star Fighter doesn't get enough love.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (P0nip)

I agree and I would say the same for BlackHole, and Yeah as a young kid I loved the Robots.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (dKiJG)

Seconded and seconded. The Black Hole was criminally underrated.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (ijEPD)

297 "If I was Carter Page I would Hire an Attorney & sue the Hell out of the US" LG

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (BqBId)

298 "If you want to see Sigourney Weaver's tits in their full glory - for a
relatively extended period of time, I suggest you find a copy of Half
Moon Street."



Not exactly sure her boobs and glory belong in the same sentence.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (9Om/r)

299 No, that was the one where Katherine Hepburn was just insufferable.
Posted by: Tom Servo


Yeah. simplemind and others nailed it.
Final Countdown.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (7jTtI)

300 I dated a guy for a while that looked like Keanu .
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (im5Mo)

----------

Stoner doofus Keanu from Bill 'n Ted?
Or gritty Keanu from Midsummer?
Or mecha-Keanu from Matrix?
Or grizzly unkempt Keanu who makes choppers?

Dude's gone through more remakes than The Beatles.

Posted by: reason at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (V40IZ)

301 Star Wars Actor Daisy Ridley: "Every Sane Person" Has an Issue With President Donald Trump
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (3aI0K)

Maybe she should check out Alyssa Milano's twitter feed.

More projection than a bulimic model at an all you can eat buffet.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (oiW2a)

302
What is odd is that on my Youtube recommended list was a video about "could a modern US Carrier beat the entire 1941 Japanese Navy"?

-----

What was the Reddit movie where they did the same thing with a company of Rangers versus the Roman Legion.

THAT movie I wanna see.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (8XRCm)

303 Gloried internet rumor? okay geniuses, riddle me this. The Mueller report found shit. Nothing. Trump did absolutely nothing wrong.

So...it seems like a glorified internet rumor is what started the whole Trump/Russia investigation, and the only difference between you and me is my stupid internet rumor didn't waste years, spend millions of dollars, and try to bring down a sitting president.

So, it seems like you should perhaps swallow a few of you dumb shit comments.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (+DS2f)

304 293
@SteveGuest

NBC News' Pete Williams: IG found FISA application process was 'screwed up at every level."

Video



https://tinyurl.com/wxpeors

Posted by: redridinghood at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (wiXsO)


Whaaaa? How long before he takes a lashing from the DNC and walks that back?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (ymnmz)

305 The Afterlife trailer looks great and I think it's an inspired way to chart a new feel.

And while much less jokey, it's not entirely devoid of jokes. Someone off camera, I can't tell if it's Rudd, half-sings the "Call if fate, call it luck, call it karma" line from the original.

Could be fun!

Posted by: Chriscom at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (LAF/s)

306 I enjoyed Super 8 in no small part because that was my oldest brother at the time, with his camera. But the menace was very not menacing since nothing particularly bad ever really happened to anyone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (KZzsI)

307 >>But that's my point, he was memeing Thank You For Smoking and we're not.


I completely agree. I love how Ekhardt explains debate skills to his son using "chocolate is the best ice cream flavor."

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (bDqIh)

308 DDG?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (NWiLs)

309 238 206 Speaking for myself, I kind of lost interest in Stranger Things after season two. I can't be the only one.


I lost interest when whatsername linked up with the Solarbabies.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (hbTkw)

310 @IronBoomerSTL
It would be one thing if they were making this like Bill and Ted 3- same cast, a new and logical progression of characters.

But this is being made to shut up the incel fanboys still butthurt that those women could be ghostbusters.



Ah, yes. Excellent. Yet another type of double standard.

Sexless white male: Incel loser
Sexless transsexual: Victim of bigotry

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (I2dne)

311 Final Countdown on Google Play:
https://tinyurl.com/yx2o6kgh

might be worth the $2 to rent.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (9V81o)

312 244 Star Wars Actor Daisy Ridley: "Every Sane Person" Has an Issue With President Donald Trump

Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (3aI0K)


THIS IS WHAT I'M ON ABOUT!

Posted by: Anthony Hopkins at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (gmo/4)

313 The Final Countdown

Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen
====
Kirk was only 65 and Martin Sheen was still on his original liver.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (EoQ9D)

314 It could be remade and have them Blow Up the Navy and follow the repercussions of that act.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (dKiJG)

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Hitler gets Nukes first.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (8XRCm)

315 IG found FISA application process was 'screwed up at every level."

Corruption thrives in darkness. Once corruption becomes open, one can be assured one is living in dark times.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (9t0Zz)

316 306 I enjoyed Super 8 in no small part because that was my oldest brother at the time, with his camera. But the menace was very not menacing since nothing particularly bad ever really happened to anyone.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (KZzsI)

=========

It was never going to break new ground or anything, but it's slick and fun.

Probably JJ Abrams' best movie, which is honestly kind of sad to say.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (q80AH)

317 POLL: Hillary top choice of Dem voters...

Mrs. Clinton drew 21%, followed by former Vice President Joseph R. Biden with 20%, when registered Democrats were asked whom they would support for the 2020 party presidential nod if she and former Secretary of State John Kerry were added to the mix.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (+y/Ru)

LOL at Kerry can't outpoll the Hildebeast OR the dunce even now.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (eoQWY)

318 308
DDG?



Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (NWiLs)

Duck Duck Go.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (1CjJc)

319 281 >>The Last Star Fighter doesn't get enough love.
- - -

Yes, underrated. It was sincere and fun.

There was talk of a remake, I hope that doesn't happen.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:34 PM (bDqIh)

The owner of the Rights have supposedly refused to ever do a Remake, I would love to see a Sequel where he comes back looking for New Pilots and have them mix with other Aliens etc a Fish out of Water story.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (dKiJG)

320 @298 - I think most of what makes them so intriguing is the rarity of their appearances.

Crossreference: Bullock, Sandra

Posted by: reason at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (V40IZ)

321 Not exactly sure her boobs and glory belong in the same sentence.

Yeah I'm all for naked hooties but hers are more modest than glorious. Kind of like Teri Hatcher's were not spectacular and now are not real.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (KZzsI)

322 The Afterlife trailer looks great and I think it's an inspired way to chart a new feel.

It's also in line with Dan Ackroyd's original script for GB, which opened in a future where Ghostbusters was an international franchise. Someone (Ivan Reitman?) had the better idea of telling the origin story first.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (ZGrMX)

323
Sexless white male: Incel loser
Sexless transsexual: Victim of bigotry


Sexless woman: Stunning and brave, fighting the patriarchy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (hbTkw)

324 203 Fans of the Lady Ghostbusters are losing their minds because this one is ignoring that one from 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:24 PM (q80AH)

The trailer is.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (UZ8BZ)

325 Final Countdown on Google Play:
https://tinyurl.com/yx2o6kgh

might be worth the $2 to rent.
Posted by: Defenestratus


On Amazon. Free with Prime.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (7jTtI)

326 267 I dated a guy for a while that looked like Keanu .
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (im5Mo)

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Sure it wasn't him?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (CAJOC)

327 322 The Afterlife trailer looks great and I think it's an inspired way to chart a new feel.

It's also in line with Dan Ackroyd's original script for GB, which opened in a future where Ghostbusters was an international franchise. Someone (Ivan Reitman?) had the better idea of telling the origin story first.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (ZGrMX)

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And without magic wands, which are in the original script.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (q80AH)

328 What is odd is that on my Youtube recommended list
was a video about "could a modern US Carrier beat the entire 1941
Japanese Navy"?



I haven't watched it though.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:35 PM (eoQWY)

I'm thinking a modern carrier could have took the whole damn country. Their navy would have just been a simple gun sighting exercise.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (9Om/r)

329 Whaaaa? How long before he takes a lashing from the DNC and walks that back?


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless
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Screwed up at every level is the spin.

Compare to: Rife with Multiple Felonies and Malicious Intent

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (aEeVh)

330
Seconded and seconded. The Black Hole was criminally underrated.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (ijEPD)


As was Space Mutiny. Slab Bulkhead!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (mpeBU)

331 What is odd is that on my Youtube recommended list was a video about "could a modern US Carrier beat the entire 1941 Japanese Navy"?

I haven't watched it though.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:35 PM (eoQWY)

Well of course they could, that's like asking if an M1 Abrams could wipe out a Panzer division - all it would need was ammo and fuel. That's the only catch.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (V2Yro)

332 Hell, Romeo and Juliet is another telling of Pyramus and Thisbe.

I bite my thumb at you, sir!

Posted by: William Shakespeare at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (9t0Zz)

333 318 308
DDG?



Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 04:38 PM (NWiLs)

Duck Duck Go.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:39 PM (1CjJc)

Right. Duh.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (NWiLs)

334 If you could choice one of these from the future for WW2 , would it be body armor or M-4 / M-16.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (oiW2a)

335
Yep, Finn Wolfhard is in Stranger Things and Ghostbusers Afterlife.


Posted by: Mark1971

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He was also in The Goldfinch for those of that bent.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (M9ntN)

336 Mrs. Clinton drew 21%, followed by former Vice President Joseph R. Biden with 20%, when registered Democrats were asked whom they would support for the 2020 party presidential nod if she and former Secretary of State John Kerry were added to the mix.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (+y/Ru)

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Clinton is chosen as a "unity" candidate (for the nomination or VP) at the convention.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (htJYU)

337 332 Hell, Romeo and Juliet is another telling of Pyramus and Thisbe.

I bite my thumb at you, sir!
Posted by: William Shakespeare at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (9t0Zz)

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I don't think Shakespeare would argue with the idea that he wasn't making blazingly original works. He was making great works, but they weren't stories that the world had never heard before.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (q80AH)

338 Hitler gets Nukes first.
Posted by: fixerupper


That's pretty much The Man in the High Castle.

Nazis win WWII.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (7jTtI)

339 335
Yep, Finn Wolfhard is in Stranger Things and Ghostbusers Afterlife.


Posted by: Mark1971

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He was also in The Goldfinch for those of that bent.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (M9ntN)

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And IT.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (q80AH)

340 300 I dated a guy for a while that looked like Keanu .
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 04:33 PM (im5Mo)

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Stoner doofus Keanu from Bill 'n Ted?
Or gritty Keanu from Midsummer?
Or mecha-Keanu from Matrix?
Or grizzly unkempt Keanu who makes choppers?

Dude's gone through more remakes than The Beatles.
Posted by: reason at December 09, 2019 04:37 PM (V40IZ)

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He has to. From what I understand from the interwebz, the guy's immortal.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (CAJOC)

341 I am looking for a copy of Zorro the Gay blade, it's nowhere to be found. I might have to go to a Chinese blackmarket copy.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (dKiJG)

342 Reason. Disheveled Keanu.

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 04:42 PM (im5Mo)

343 We wouldn't have to break Japanese codes to know where their battle groups were.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:42 PM (oiW2a)

344 https://mst3k.fandom.com/wiki/Dave_Ryder

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 09, 2019 04:42 PM (Dc2NZ)

345 An exhaustive review of the DDG image search results reveals that, apparently, they had not yet invented women's clothing when that was filmed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:32 PM (1CjJc)

Fun fact: that was her second movie released in 1986, The other was Aliens.

She's probably glad it sank like a stone.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:42 PM (ijEPD)

346 My favorite part of Final Countdown was when they had to leave one guy behind in the past, and when they returned to port in the present, they were shown to this old mega-rich guy in a limo who had been waiting to talk to them for a long time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:42 PM (V2Yro)

347 It's also in line with Dan Ackroyd's original script for GB, which opened in a future where Ghostbusters was an international franchise. Someone (Ivan Reitman?) had the better idea of telling the origin story first.

Supposedly his original script was like 8000 pages long, too. Dan Akroyd needs to be kept on a very, very short leash or things get awful (Dr Detroit)

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (KZzsI)

348 That's pretty much The Man in the High Castle.

Nazis win WWII.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (7jTtI)

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I rather enjoyed the last season. They ditched, for the most part, the "all gay all the time" and other SJW tropes and focused on the story line.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (8XRCm)

349 If you want to see Sigourney Weaver's tits in their full glory - for a relatively extended period of time, I suggest you find a copy of Half Moon Street.

If you want to see me in very small, yet disturbingly un-sexy saggy, dirty panties for an extended period of time, watch Alien.

Posted by: Sigourney Weaver at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (9t0Zz)

350 I'm thinking a modern carrier could have took the whole damn country. Their navy would have just been a simple gun sighting exercise.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (9Om/r)

Well eventually you run out of ammo. Only the boat is running off Nukes.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (eoQWY)

351 236 Meh. How many of these kids-save-us from evil stories can there be? Stranger Things, Super 8. And if there's not going to be a real Ghostbusters connection (same actors featured; same genre), then what's the point of the franchise connection other than marketing? This looks pretty forgettable.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2019 04:29 PM (7lKeD)

If it weren't for those meddling kids!

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (UZ8BZ)

352 He has to. From what I understand from the interwebz, the guy's immortal.
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No that's Nicholas Cage.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (ujRrX)

353 If you could choice one of these from the future for WW2 , would it be body armor or M-4 / M-16.



Is NV an option? Because I'd take that over either.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (cGJ7O)

354 Seconded and seconded. The Black Hole was criminally underrated.

I like the opening. I'll turn it on an watch the opening credits and all the way until they dock with the Cygnus. Then the whole thing turns to molasses.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (hbTkw)

355 Seconded and seconded. The Black Hole was criminally underrated.



Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:36 PM (ijEPD)





As was Space Mutiny. Slab Bulkhead!!!


Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM

Ice Pirates for the win!

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (JUOKG)

356 >>Star Wars Actor Daisy Ridley: "Every Sane Person" Has an Issue With President Donald Trump
- - -
Dear Daisy Ridley: Please contact your Disney publicist for an explanation of why this statement is incredibly stupid, PR-wise.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:44 PM (bDqIh)

357 No one. Pretty sure

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 04:44 PM (im5Mo)

358 WSJ: "Amazon Claims "Improper Pressure" from Trump on Pentagon Contract"

The media is throwing everything they can at the wall for Demorats.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 04:44 PM (VpIIl)

359 350 I'm thinking a modern carrier could have took the whole damn country. Their navy would have just been a simple gun sighting exercise.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (9Om/r)

Well eventually you run out of ammo. Only the boat is running off nukes.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (eoQWY)

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Only so many Tomahawks.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 04:44 PM (RU4sa)

360 356 >>Star Wars Actor Daisy Ridley: "Every Sane Person" Has an Issue With President Donald Trump
- - -
Dear Daisy Ridley: Please contact your Disney publicist for an explanation of why this statement is incredibly stupid, PR-wise.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:44 PM (bDqIh)

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"It's good. We work at Disney. Nothing we say will undermine our brands, it seems."
-Disney Marketing, shitting on a child

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:44 PM (q80AH)

361 what's the point of the franchise connection other than marketing?

Hollywood has forgotten how to create and now simply exploits existing trademarks.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 04:44 PM (hbTkw)

362 352 He has to. From what I understand from the interwebz, the guy's immortal.
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No that's Nicholas Cage.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (ujRrX)

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Well, let's just say I hope we never see the two of them together carrying swords.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:45 PM (CAJOC)

363 WSJ: "Amazon Claims "Improper Pressure" from Trump on Pentagon Contract"

The media is throwing everything they can at the wall for Demorats.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 04:44 PM (VpIIl)
++++++++++++++
Hmmm.

Obama passing a regulation that virtually guarantees a contract for Amazon, without technical merit? Totally cool, bro.

Trump repealing an Obama-era regulation that caused the project to be rebid, resulting in a different vendor? TREASON!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:45 PM (I2dne)

364 6 My favorite part of Final Countdown was when they had to leave one guy behind in the past, and when they returned to port in the present, they were shown to this old mega-rich guy in a limo who had been waiting to talk to them for a long time.

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Got in on the ground floor of the Pet Rock boom.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2019 04:45 PM (+y/Ru)

365 Only so many Tomahawks.


Wouldn't it be easier just to nuke Tokyo in '41?

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:45 PM (cGJ7O)

366 The Forbidden Zone with Herve Villechaise (1980) for Total Insanity.

They don't make movies like that anymore. That's probably a good thing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:45 PM (V2Yro)

367 Zorro the Gay Blade is fan-fucking-tastic

it's hard to find?!?!

that's crazy it used to be on cable literally every other day

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Rarvo)

368 Kind of like Teri Hatcher's were not spectacular and now are not real.

Teri Hatcher's boobs had near granny levels of sag even when she was in her prime.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (9t0Zz)

369 If you want to see me in very small, yet disturbingly un-sexy saggy, dirty panties for an extended period of time, watch Alien.
Posted by: Sigourney Weaver at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (9t0Zz)



Not that there's anything wrong with it, but that was socked by a faggot.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (gd9RK)

370 Is NV an option? Because I'd take that over either.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (cGJ7O)

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This.

M16 isnt such an improvement over the M3 Grease gun AND body armor is overrated in a long gun fight.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (8XRCm)

371 I'm thinking a modern carrier could have took the whole damn country. Their navy would have just been a simple gun sighting exercise.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 04:40 PM (9Om/r)

There could be a few wrinkles. Modern radar sets might have trouble locking onto the much less massive and metal intensive planes the Japanese have.

In WWII the biplane Swordfish was almost immune to auto flak because it was too slow.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (eoQWY)

372 We wouldn't have to break Japanese codes to know where their battle groups were.

Most of the Pacific Sea war was two navies trying to figure out where the other was and hiding who they were. Just knowing where people were is a HUGE advantage.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (KZzsI)

373 Got in on the ground floor of the Pet Rock boom.
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that and Pop Rocks

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (ujRrX)

374 Wouldn't it be easier just to nuke Tokyo in '41?
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:45 PM (cGJ7O)

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A boomer would be better for that than a carrier.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 04:47 PM (RU4sa)

375 I thought Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was the remake of Last Starfighter

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 04:47 PM (ZfRYq)

376 I might go see it since it has our home town boy Paul Rudd in it.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2019 04:47 PM (dUJdY)

377 Okay OT/ but yahoo news story says Steele had a "personal" relationship" with Ivanka Trump? WTF?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 04:47 PM (6XlcD)

378 362 352 He has to. From what I understand from the interwebz, the guy's immortal.
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No that's Nicholas Cage.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (ujRrX)

His one great weakness is THE BEES! OH NO NOT THE BEES!!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:47 PM (V2Yro)

379 378
His one great weakness is THE BEES! OH NO NOT THE BEES!!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:47 PM (V2Yro)

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Also debates on determinism.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 04:48 PM (q80AH)

380 If you could choice one of these from the future for WW2 , would it be body armor or M-4 / M-16.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:41 PM (oiW2a)


I would say body armor, because there were some good/decent weapons back then.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 04:48 PM (9Om/r)

381 WSJ: "Amazon Claims "Improper Pressure" from Trump on Pentagon Contract"

It's improper for the Commander in Chief to command the Pentagon? I mean, that's pretty much what this impeachment farse is claiming about foreign policy, but boy have all the masks been removed.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 04:48 PM (ZGrMX)

382 'Alien' is a remake of 'It! The Terror from Beyond Space.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 04:48 PM (hbTkw)

383 Zorro the Gay Blade is fan-fucking-tastic

it's hard to find?!?!

that's crazy it used to be on cable literally every other day
Posted by: BlackOrchid



Who owns it? Disney had been locking up everything they owned since they were starting their own channel.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:48 PM (7jTtI)

384 A boomer would be better for that than a carrier.


That's an even better option than a time-traveling carrier.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:48 PM (cGJ7O)

385 I can't keep up. Is the discussion here about boobs or aircraft carrier groups.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (VpIIl)

386 I would say body armor, because there were some good/decent weapons back then.


Shit yeah. Body armor and an M1.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (gd9RK)

387 Meh. How many of these kids-save-us from evil stories can there be? Stranger Things, Super 8. And if there's not going to be a real Ghostbusters connection (same actors featured; same genre), then what's the point of the franchise connection other than marketing? This looks pretty forgettable.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2019 04:29 PM (7lKeD)

If it weren't for those meddling kids!
Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (UZ8BZ)

There's an update for Scooby Doo. The bad guy gets away with it because the kids are inside on the computer and the dog is tied up in the yard.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (eoQWY)

388 Is NV an option? Because I'd take that over either.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:43 PM (cGJ7O)

What's NV ?

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (oiW2a)

389 366 The Forbidden Zone with Herve Villechaise (1980) for Total Insanity.

They don't make movies like that anymore. That's probably a good thing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:45 PM (V2Yro)
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They don't make drugs like that anymore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UvQLo58gY4

Bonus: Oingo Boingo!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (Dc2NZ)

390 385 I can't keep up. Is the discussion here about boobs or aircraft carrier groups.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (VpIIl)

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Give it time. They'll merge.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (CAJOC)

391 I can't keep up. Is the discussion here about boobs or aircraft carrier groups.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (VpIIl)
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Embrace the power of and.

https://tinyurl.com/s4pbmdf

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (I2dne)

392 I watched Iron Sky 2 (whatever the name was) and it is just fun enough to overcome the stupidity.

Now I need to watch the first one.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (ZfRYq)

393 "We wouldn't have to break Japanese codes to know where their battle groups were."

For the first engagement, sure; and maybe a few other things that were already in process.

Once you add the x-factor of the CVN, everything changes after that.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (ijEPD)

394 What's NV ?



Night Vision

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (cGJ7O)

395 A boomer would be better for that than a carrier.

Even more limited supplies and ammo, though. In a pitch, an Aircraft carrier can MAKE ammo and missiles but a sub is really limited as to its targets.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (KZzsI)

396 I rank Ghostbusters up there with Spies Like Us. Which means I slept through it I guess. Did it have a scene with a chick in a white one piece stepping out of a bear costume? That's what I woke up to in Chevy's movie.

Posted by: DanMan at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (XTiHL)

397 What's NV ?

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (oiW2a)

Night vision.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (1CjJc)

398 What's NV ?
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (oiW2a)

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Night Vision.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (8XRCm)

399 NVGs FTW.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (RU4sa)

400 367 Zorro the Gay Blade is fan-fucking-tastic

it's hard to find?!?!

that's crazy it used to be on cable literally every other day
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (Rarvo)

the only place that sells it is Ebay and I a worried that is just a VHS copy on DVD

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (dKiJG)

401 Amazon thought they had paid off all the right people and bought themselves a nice big fat government contract, and then Trump read the details and blew it all up. This might have been the one that Mattis took some payoffs for.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (V2Yro)

402 I would say body armor, because there were some good/decent weapons back then.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division


Would body armor stop a German K98 rifle round?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (7jTtI)

403 395 A boomer would be better for that than a carrier.

Even more limited supplies and ammo, though. In a pitch, an Aircraft carrier can MAKE ammo and missiles but a sub is really limited as to its targets.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (KZzsI)

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If the goal is ultimate destruction, boomer wins.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 04:51 PM (RU4sa)

404 I would say body armor, because there were some good/decent weapons back then.

Well and you're not gonna run out of ammo with armor.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:51 PM (KZzsI)

405 Well, if we had satellite imaging in 1942 and no one else did, that would be useful . . . useful.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:51 PM (aEeVh)

406 396 I rank Ghostbusters up there with Spies Like Us. Which means I slept through it I guess. Did it have a scene with a chick in a white one piece stepping out of a bear costume? That's what I woke up to in Chevy's movie.
Posted by: DanMan at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (XTiHL)

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No, but it does have a woman climbing out of the charred husk of a demon dog.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:51 PM (CAJOC)

407 Would body armor stop a German K98 rifle round?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (7jTtI)

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No.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:51 PM (8XRCm)

408 Amazon is going to lose the challenge, and lose bigly. GSA is very good at fairly administrating the bidding process and there are very few reasons for any challenge. Beyond that, challenges are rarely won. The fact that Amazon threw Trump in there in not only dumb. but shows their case is very weak.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 04:51 PM (VpIIl)

409 I can't keep up. Is the discussion here about boobs or aircraft carrier groups.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (VpIIl)

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Give it time. They'll merge.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (CAJOC)

The Lady Lex is better stacked than the Saratoga.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:51 PM (eoQWY)

410 Zorro the Gay Blade is fan-fucking-tastic

it's hard to find?!?!

that's crazy it used to be on cable literally every other day


I have always depended on people being nicer than me, and I have never in my life been disappointed.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 09, 2019 04:52 PM (9t0Zz)

411 I figured Zorro the Gay Blade would be banned, that's the only Zorro movie that I actually enjoyed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:52 PM (V2Yro)

412 M16/M4. As noted, body armor does not do much with accurate rifle fire.

Fun fact: NV was available in WW2. Very primitive NV and not widely deployed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 04:52 PM (1CjJc)

413 Point of order, the germans already had night vision at the end of the war.

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 04:52 PM (gmo/4)

414 Would body armor stop a German K98 rifle round?


Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM

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No.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 04:52 PM (JUOKG)

415 Flounder - Jinx!

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 04:52 PM (gmo/4)

416 Where can I get a nice suit of Beskar? That stuff stopped sci-fi sniper rounds at what looked like a 1000 meters or so.

Posted by: Justasheep at December 09, 2019 04:53 PM (L9Eia)

417 Zorro the Gay Blade is on Amazon for $11 for DVD.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 04:53 PM (hbTkw)

418 Point of order, the germans already had night vision at the end of the war.
Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 04:52 PM (gmo/4)

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Yeah.... its because their cities were on fire....

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:53 PM (8XRCm)

419 Well, if we had satellite imaging in 1942 and no one else did, that would be useful . . . useful.
Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:51 PM (aEeVh)

What satellites? No GPS up there in 1941. That might be awkward until adjusted for.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:53 PM (eoQWY)

420 lol fixerupper

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 04:53 PM (RU4sa)

421 Went to see Final Countdown in the theater, they never get that far of course to see what a modern aircraft carrier would do to a 1941 fleet. My guess is not a Jap ship would be floating anywhere.

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 04:53 PM (ZCEU2)

422 Instead of either an M-1, M-4 or M-16. I'd rather have an M-14.

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (gmo/4)

423 The fact that Amazon threw Trump in there in not only dumb. but shows their case is very weak.
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I guess you feel pretty good about the next election and who is going to be on the Supreme Court. Because I bet Amazon's super expensive lawyers thought about that . . .

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (7P7NR)

424 K98 is a 7.62 x 57mm round and would defeat most of today's body armor, not all.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (8/E19)

425 346
My favorite part of Final Countdown was when they had to leave one guy
behind in the past, and when they returned to port in the present, they
were shown to this old mega-rich guy in a limo who had been waiting to
talk to them for a long time.


as i recall, he was the guy whose hobby was history.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (sGtp+)

426 Ah, I see we're OT.


One of the new-ish and very worrisome developments that began just as the war ended was Japanese use of older mostly wooden/fabric trainer biplanes for kamikaze attacks - at night. Our radar had real trouble detecting them, and at night, they could and did sneak up on a few ships that were close to the main islands. It was correctly feared that in Op Olympic the Japanese would make great use of this particular plane/technique, for which there was no ready counter.


Of course the kamikazes would suffer from greatly reduced ability to make best target selection [they'd finally figured out - transports/logistics ships, not warships, were the pay-dirt], it being dark and all.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (El6T/)

427 Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 04:53 PM (RU4sa)

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Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (8XRCm)

428 What satellites? No GPS up there in 1941. That might be awkward until adjusted for.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:53 PM (eoQWY)
+++++++++++++
Yeah. If I were going to send a battle group back to 1941, the sweet spot might be to send a nuclear-powered group from around 1975.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (I2dne)

429 Final Countdown

Where the Admiral Nukes Berlin, Tokyo and Moscow. Now that would be a good movie.

I always wanted to write a book where a Israel sub get thrown back in time before ww2 They have nukes and Nuke the Shit out of Germany and ask for all the Jews to be given the Middle East in exchance and the fun begins from there.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (dKiJG)

430 Point of order, the germans already had night vision at the end of the war.





Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 04:52 PM


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The Germans had infra red vision, not night vision. Completely different and an order of magnitude less effective.


They had it on some Panther tanks and some Infantry were equipped with it, but it was bulky, mostly ineffective and prone to break downs, especially batteries.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (JUOKG)

431 Wow. The Horde would actually rather talk about counterfactual military history than tits.

That's impressive in a way.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (gd9RK)

432 Amazon thought they had paid off all the right people and bought themselves a nice big fat government contract, and then Trump read the details and blew it all up. This might have been the one that Mattis took some payoffs for.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (V2Yro)

New Tech needs to learn what old Mil Tech knows in its bones. Pay off everyone, you may need them.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (eoQWY)

433 K98 is a 7.62 x 57mm round and would defeat most of today's body armor, not all.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (8/E19)

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7.92


Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 04:55 PM (8XRCm)

434 Nood

Posted by: Furious George at December 09, 2019 04:55 PM (9vQJW)

435 Wow. The Horde would actually rather talk about counterfactual military history than tits.

That's impressive in a way.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (gd9RK)
+++++++++++
Tits are always a matter of opinion, but in an argument about counterfactual military history, someone can be *right*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:55 PM (I2dne)

436 I think the german version was code named vampir

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 04:55 PM (gmo/4)

437 What satellites? No GPS up there in 1941. That might be awkward until adjusted for.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:53 PM (eoQWY)
+++++++++++++
Yeah. If I were going to send a battle group back to 1941, the sweet spot might be to send a nuclear-powered group from around 1975.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (I2dne)

Final Countdown was in what, 1980?

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:55 PM (eoQWY)

438 I've had the theme from Ghostbusters running in my head through this whole thread. And Bill Murray plodding along in ghostbusting gear. Hard to top that.

Posted by: m at December 09, 2019 04:56 PM (UZ8BZ)

439 The main thing is that the carrier woudn't have to literally wipe out every other ship in the Japanese Navy, just enough that they would all be recalled to protect the homeland. Which would make the job much easier, a carrier could hold off the enemy while devastating Japan until the fuel and ammo ran out.

But... they could re-tool a lot and maybe keep going with period weapons and ammo. With the seas clear of Japanese warships, resupply would be a hell of a lot easier.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:56 PM (KZzsI)

440 I still think if the vid of the soldier in Iraq getting hit by a sniper with a Dragunov and bouncing back up. The plates worked that time.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:56 PM (oiW2a)

441 Wow. The Horde would actually rather talk about counterfactual military history than tits.

That's impressive in a way.
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I suspect it has a lot to do with the average age of a moron creeping past puberty. Slowly.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:56 PM (mj3oe)

442 425 346
My favorite part of Final Countdown was when they had to leave one guy
behind in the past, and when they returned to port in the present, they
were shown to this old mega-rich guy in a limo who had been waiting to
talk to them for a long time.

as i recall, he was the guy whose hobby was history.
Posted by: Anachronda at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (sGtp+)

He was a History Major, Imagine if a guy a had a whole Crap load of books on his Phone or Kindle.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (dKiJG)

443 What's NV ?

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 04:49 PM (oiW2a)

Niacin Vitamins

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (NWiLs)

444 I guess you feel pretty good about the next election and who is going to be on the Supreme Court. Because I bet Amazon's super expensive lawyers thought about that . . .
Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (7P7NR)"

It won't get that far. The government contract and bidding process is an art unto itself. The rules and processes are very well established. It's really like the mafia.

Amazon better get used to being shutout of any contract while they are challenging and litigating crap.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 09, 2019 04:57 PM (VpIIl)

445 Wouldn't current ballistic plates stop a K98 round?


Just happened to watch a video yesterday, think Premier's plate stopped a .308 round - didn't get the exact data on the projectile but probably ballistics close to an 8mikemike from the K98, no?



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (El6T/)

446 As I recall in the Final Countdown they never really got to go force on force with the Japanese Navy. Though we found that an F14 would pretty decisively best a Zero.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (ZfRYq)

447 I didn't think body armor would. I know you can get NIJ Level IV that will stop .308 rounds, but WWII was .30-.06 and equivalents.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:58 PM (fXB+v)

448 Yup. 7.92 Mauser. Typo on my part.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (8/E19)

449 Wow. The Horde would actually rather talk about counterfactual military history than tits.



That's impressive in a way.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (gd9RK)


Until we start talking about tits big enough to land a plane on. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (9Om/r)

450 And Bill Murray plodding along in ghostbusting gear. Hard to top that

I loved how they basically looked like gas station attendants, with those jumpsuits. Nothing military and smart about it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (KZzsI)

451 Wouldn't current ballistic plates stop a K98 round?


Just happened to watch a video yesterday, think Premier's plate stopped a .308 round - didn't get the exact data on the projectile but probably ballistics close to an 8mikemike from the K98, no?



Posted by: rhomboid


Is .308 similar to .30-.06?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (fXB+v)

452 431 Wow. The Horde would actually rather talk about counterfactual military history than tits.

That's impressive in a way.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (gd9RK)

I would have you know I celebrated the power of "and".

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2019 04:59 PM (ijEPD)

453 What if bra sizes were done in caliber instead of cup size?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 05:00 PM (KZzsI)

454 Romeo and Juliet is not a tragedy, it is a warning.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2019 05:03 PM (I8n/+)

455
Did it have a scene with a chick in a white one piece stepping out of a bear costume? That's what I woke up to in Chevy's movie.

Posted by: DanMan at December 09, 2019 04:50 PM (XTiHL)


Bear costume was Nastassja Kinski in Hotel New Hampshire, and she wasn't wearing anything.

It was Vanessa Angel putting on a one-piece white snowsuit in Spies Like Us.

Posted by: fktheleft at December 09, 2019 05:05 PM (I54dk)

456 Oh, yeah. A much better vibe than Lady Ghostbusters, which defied you to like it from the first trailer.

Posted by: Scott M at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (Zf2B4)

457 Is .308 similar to .30-.06?


Allegedly.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (cGJ7O)

458 My guess is not a Jap ship would be floating anywhere.

-
They'd all be junk.

(Ahh, Asians are all the same.)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (+y/Ru)

459 Wow. The Horde would actually rather talk about counterfactual military history than tits.

That's impressive in a way.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2019 04:54 PM (gd9RK)

I feel that I'm responsible for this and I do apologize - however Ms. Weaver's tits aren't really anything to lust over IMO. My wife's are orders of magnitude more attractive and I can stare at those any time I desire at the snap of a finger.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 05:08 PM (9V81o)

460 So the thin woman from Lady Ghostwriters is in the Wonder Woman movie as a major character, who is slowly turning into a cheetah. That seems to be an awful idea. The trailer is good though.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 09, 2019 05:11 PM (I8n/+)

461 LOL, so they retconned Lady Ghostbusters out of existence? That's a nice swipe.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice


They just became "unpersons".

I like this already.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at December 09, 2019 05:32 PM (vcOmj)

462 Is .308 similar to .30-.06?


Allegedly.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

The .308 bullet itself had a slight taper towards the base of the bullet, which was supposed to help in medium to long range stability and improve accuracy, and also allowed a little higher muzzle velocity. Those things really only made a difference with a well trained rifleman, though. Not much difference between the .308 and .30-06 ("06" was for the year 1906 when it was introduced).

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at December 09, 2019 05:40 PM (vcOmj)

463 my suggestion for the new black female 007:

have her character be named jane austen.

finally, jane austen will no longer be a white writer of the colonialist white pateriarchy.

intersectionality at its finest.

Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 05:54 PM (Pg+x7)

LTC Hickman Demolishes Strategic Pastry Repository Alex Vindman

Brutal.

From someone who actually served with Vindman, & is in contact w/many other soldiers who have as well, let me just say wrong on integrity, honor, & patriotism. Vindman's a partisan who made disparaging comments about Americans, & I had to reprimand him for it in 2013.

Speaking to those within his Apache Troop/1/2SCR, his command was cut to the minimum for credit, & just prior to deployment for combat, because, according to his NCOs, he lacked the qualities you just mentioned, & leadership. Also, he was the worse commander they've ever served under & a couple of those NCOs are still active duty Soldiers.

Not all officers are good, as some slip through the system like Vindman. His career should've ended as a CPT, but he switched from Infantry to functional area FAO & survived.

The primary takeaway is Vindman acted out of partisanship by foregoing his chain of command, & leaking to a known partisan Democrat to initiate this impeachment. In the military we resolve things in an apolitical military fashion, through the immediate chain of command, & at the lowest level possible.

That he 'perceived' the President's request as a demand is not a fact, nor should his partisan perceptions or opinions matter. Vindman's disagreement with President Trump on foreign policy, is ridiculous on it's face, as @POTUS sets foreign policy, not congress, and certainly not some LTC staff officer.

If Vindman testifies before the Senate, I have a feeling more military folks will stand to tell the truth.🇺🇸 #TruthExposed #TruthMatters

Trump just gave a short statement to the press from the Cabinet Room, but I haven't found a link to the video yet.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 02:58 PM




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1 First!

Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (3sOO0)

2 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (q80AH)

3 The original headline with "Strategic Pastry Reserve" was funnier. Or at least I thought so.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (ZGrMX)

4 Nah, I think I'll stay in bed today.

Posted by: Steiner at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (T6t7i)

5 did he scream and leap at rolling pastries?

Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (JMDly)

6 It's never too late for Tim Hortons.

Posted by: Lt. Col. Bearclaw at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (vtcmf)

7 Two Thumbs Up!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (vEIlU)

8 Ah, but everybody you've never heard of on Twitter swears up and down that all the troops love Vindman even though they can't actually describe any.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (RD7QR)

9 Gosh a person like that should no longer be working in the NSC

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (MLfDH)

10 "If Vindman testifies before the Senate, I have a feeling more military folks will stand to tell the truth."

Therefore, the Senate won't have him testify.

Posted by: santan at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (+/dRU)

11 I get the feeling that Vindman is not very well liked... He'll fit right into a cushy CNN correspondents job.

Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (3sOO0)

12 >>>3 The original headline with "Strategic Pastry Reserve" was funnier. Or at least I thought so.


maybe I'll change it back. I thought "Repository" made more actual sense, because he's not the actual pastry, just the hole we store the pastry in.

Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (PbpT7)

13 okay I changed it back

Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (PbpT7)

14 Hang on, everyone, I got this:

*ahem*

"OMG, DOOM DOOM DOOM WHITEWASH, HAIR ON FIRE!
...
...
...
Anyone questioning my pessimism is delusional because only I can see the future. How do I know? Because I looked at the past and concluded that the future must always be the same. That's called "being smart", and if you question it, then you're automatically stupid. That's the way it works."

Ok, now that that's summarized approximately 95% of all comments, you can continue on your merry way.

Look how much time I saved everyone!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (Hi8cV)

15 Pastry reservoir?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (ycWCI)

16 Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (cEsBM)

17 maybe I'll change it back. I thought "Repository"
made more actual sense, because he's not the actual pastry, just the
hole we store the pastry in.

Posted by: ace


Ah, that makes sense. As in the Texas Schoolbook Repository, which is the only one most people can name.

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (T6t7i)

18 Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)

19 Vindman and Kerry seem Mohave the same leadership traits.

I wonder if they play cards together on Tuesdays.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (tT0V4)

20 Two dozen crullers a day keep the wingnuts away!

Posted by: Lt. Col. Bearclaw at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (vtcmf)

21 Pastry Bank?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

22
Mary Poppins Practically Perfect Piercing screamed loud and long that Vindman should not even be at large considering his violation of the UCMJ.

This is a bad fvcking day.

Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (M9ntN)

23 Repository opens up good limerick action too.

Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (JMDly)

24 Damned Swiftboaters again.

Posted by: Jean Fraude Kerry at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (l3+k2)

25 That's LTC Hover- round to you civilians!

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (gmo/4)

26 Vindmann still has a job in the White House.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (MLfDH)

27 Q: How do you describe an apparently shitty commander with a long history of bad behavior who admitted under oath that he attempted to change the transcript?

A: Star Witness

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (I2dne)

28 Strategic Pastry Reserve Sump Alex Vindman?

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (T6t7i)

29 I'd demote him and send him to the front lines in Afghanistan to lead a squad of 1.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (sX1BW)

30
They call him that because he weighs as much as a Lincoln Town Car.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (AzW6q)

31 suppository makes more sense when speaking about that fat fucking parade float wannabe.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (KP5rU)

32 maybe I'll change it back. I thought "Repository" made more actual sense, because he's not the actual pastry, just the hole we store the pastry in.


I beg to differ, cut him and the man bleeds glaze.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (cGJ7O)

33 Wait, I thought it was 'book depository'.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (ycWCI)

34 Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)
+++++++++++
We need to focus on what's important.

What size is his salt shaker?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (I2dne)

35 BuT tRuMp'S BrEaKiNg ThE NoRms~!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (GPz65)

36 Vindman, MLRS. Multiple Lunch Raving Seditionist.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (1CjJc)

37 LTC hoveround ALWAYS takes the cannoli

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (gmo/4)

38 What's FAO? Fucking Asshole, Overweight?

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (Izzlo)

39 18 Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)

Hopefully he's got something pungent to say about the Horowitz shitshow. Something about suppurating anus sores.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (RD7QR)

40 33
Wait, I thought it was 'book depository'.


You are correct. I feel foolish.

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (T6t7i)

41 from the other thread:
In simpler terms, its like when popeye says "I've taken all I can stands, and I can't stands no more. lol


Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (9Om/r)

Fourth Turnings don't happen overnight, there's a process. These are political movements of revolution and retrenchment, reconfiguration.
How many times during the Revolutionary War did it look like the Patriots were finished? The American Revolution occurred during a Fourth Turning.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (DJFLF)

42 I'd love to take a bill dookie to this crowd

Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (rpxSz)

43 40 33
Wait, I thought it was 'book depository'.

You are correct. I feel foolish.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (T6t7i)

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I thought book suppository.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (q80AH)

44 29 I'd demote him and send him to the front lines in Afghanistan to lead a squad of 1.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (sX1BW)

Why not a squad of 2?
He could lead Manning and Bergdahl.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (Oq/TM)

45 Plus, Vindman was always pushing to the front of the line when danish and czech pastries were brought out, taking the lions share for himself.

Posted by: LTC Hickman at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (q1Pj5)

46 29
I'd demote him and send him to the front lines in Afghanistan to lead a squad of 1.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (sX1BW)

Voted most likely to get fragged.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (1CjJc)

47 Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)


Link?

Posted by: Jean Fraude Kerry at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (l3+k2)

48 Should be an interesting evening on the chattering shows. Or perhaps not. Too much binge watching to catch up on.

Posted by: Pete Seria at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (7ZQe3)

49 Ok, now that that's summarized approximately 95% of all comments, you can continue on your merry way.

See, this is the kind of mockery we get annoyed with. The attempt to portray people who notice that we're being spit on as the bad guy. HOW DARE YOU BE FRUSTRATED AND UPSET AT INJUSTICE!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (KZzsI)

50 "10 "If Vindman testifies before the Senate, I have a feeling more military folks will stand to tell the truth."

Therefore, the Senate won't have him testify."

Checkmate.

Let's recall the chairs:

Intelligence: Burr.
Judiciary: Graham.
Foreign Relations: Risch.

All Deep Staters, all corrupt. Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff. The other two will fall into line.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (iw59Q)

51 Wait, I thought it was 'book depository'.


nook, dammit, nook

Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (rpxSz)

52 Chris Wray is part of the problem. Fire his ass.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (NVYyb)

53 /off traitor sock

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (l3+k2)

54 Why is Vindman allowed to testify, and why in uniform? If he is military, then he needs to shut up about politics, but if he is testifying as a civilian, then lose the uniform. Either way, what he did is against all the rules. He stepped out of chain of command, and attacked his boss's boss. Not cool.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (vVOK2)

55 Trump having presser in Cabinet Room.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (ptqGC)

+++++++++++

We need to focus on what's important.



What size is his salt shaker?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (I2dne)

Slightly smaller than yuge.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (q1Pj5)

56 All Deep Staters, all corrupt. Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff. The other two will fall into line.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (iw59Q)
++++++++++
Burr's been in line for a very long time.

I don't know anything about Risch.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (I2dne)

57 civilians and democrats (BIRM) do not understand the chain of command, how it works, and how going outside of it is simply not tolerated, because it cannot be tolerated.

Posted by: x at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (nFwvY)

58 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.

How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)

59 Let's recall the chairs:



Intelligence: Burr.

Judiciary: Graham.

Foreign Relations: Risch.



All Deep Staters, all corrupt. Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff. The other two will fall into line.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (iw59Q)

Graham sought out the Judiciary Chair. I don't trust him.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (1CjJc)

60 I'd demote him and send him to the front lines in Afghanistan to lead a squad of 1.

The left has a problem with understanding the right's respect and gratitude toward the military. They cannot understand the individual they only know the collective. So they figure trot out a military guy and we'll all fall down and worship without knowing that many of the people on the right have experience with lousy officers.

Its why nobody was fooled by John "ready to serve" Kerry and his magic hat. He had fraggable awful officer written all over him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (KZzsI)

61 58 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.

How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)

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More than you'd like to think about.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (RU4sa)

62
Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff.

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I had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.

Not one single investigation has been initiated.

He's still a bastard.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (AzW6q)

63 58
I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.


It's very difficult to pull a trigger while holding a cruller.

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (T6t7i)

64 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:07 PM (KZzsI)
oh come on, is this as bad or equally offensive to commenters "prediction-shaming" others by reposting their comment - IN BOLD text?

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (DJFLF)

65 They aren't getting it that Trump is their last chance. It's going to get very dicey when the ghost of Pinochet shows up.

Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (48RE5)

66 Sanders has promised to make me a Jumbo Colonel, should he be elected.

Posted by: Lt. Col. Bearclaw at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (vtcmf)

67 I really want a cigarette

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (z6z5Y)

68 Fuck it all.

Burn it down.

Scatter the stones.

Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (+dsLj)

69 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.

How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.


Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)


Probably not as many as ones that would frag his fat ass.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (9Om/r)

70
My young daughter said to me today, "Daddy, if people like Vindman are allowed to continue working in the govt, won't that have a deleterious effect on not only our freedoms but on the constitution and the very nature of man?"

- off parody of some douchbag testifying at today's hearing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (r+sAi)

71 It's very difficult to pull a trigger while holding a cruller.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (T6t7i)
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Not if you hang the cruller from your scope.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (I2dne)

72 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.

How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)

Those guys are staff, not line. They don't work with troops.

There are tons of them about, I'm sure. They get shaken out in a hurry if a shooting war starts.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (eoQWY)

73 Meh. I don't care about Vindman and I don't care about this douchebag either. Fuck them both.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (wCmLp)

74 58: i consider all of them the enemy until i'm proven wrong. so far, i'm right. the military is entirely deep state.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (KP5rU)

75 My young daughter said to me today, "Daddy, if people like Vindman are allowed to continue working in the govt, won't that have a deleterious effect on not only our freedoms but on the constitution and the very nature of man?"

- off parody of some douchbag testifying at today's hearing.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (r+sAi)

You forgot the mutual tears at the end.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (eoQWY)

76 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.

The question isn't how many officers would order men to open fire on rebelling citizens, because the answer is "nearly all of them." They have careers to save, politics to be steeped in, etc.

The question is how many of the men under them would do so, and I fear that answer is "most of them" as well. At least, initially. The British military was largely made up of men who didn't particularly care for the British government, either, and were very sympathetic toward Americans. So much so that they were constantly bleeding deserters.

But they still opened fire and fought when ordered to.

That's why the military takes young people in and does months and years of training to get people to follow orders.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (KZzsI)

77 . . . there I was, deep in the shit. . . . so I screamed "Danish" and fell on the deadly pastry to save my buddies. True story.

Posted by: Vindman at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (q1Pj5)

78 58 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.

How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator
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A valid question.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (prSvo)

79 In my recent experience, there are lots of crappy officers and a leadership that was, well, lead by Obammy. Consider the leadership from the top. That's how we get Naval Officers who crash their ships into each other, openly mentally ill folks advocating for government sex change operations while on duty, etc. It will take years to clean up the mess Obammy left in his wake.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (vVOK2)

80 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.

How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)

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More than you'd like to think about.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (RU4sa)

Sigh. Yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (cEsBM)

81 They aren't getting it that Trump is their last chance. It's going to get very dicey when the ghost of Pinochet shows up.
Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (48RE5)
+++++++++++++
I have made this point many times myself.

Trump is the moderate choice. He is the guy who wants to work within the system to fix it. He's the guy who respects the balance of power. Trump is not the radical revolutionary. He is not the dictator the statists make him out to be.

But you know who will be? The next guy will be if they keep going down this path.

Trump is their chance at salvation. They're just too corrupt, blind, greedy, power-hungry and stupid to realize it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (I2dne)

82 is this as bad or equally offensive to commenters "prediction-shaming" others by reposting their comment - IN BOLD text?

I'm not talking about good or bad here, just expressing why people might be so upset and angry as to do that. Frustration, rage, helplessness, watching your country collapse, and then along comes some sneering jackwagon to mock you for it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (KZzsI)

83 "Hit him with the proton beams and go ahead and cross the streams" (Venkman)

Posted by: Builder Berg at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (qMnBn)

84 More than you'd like to think about.
Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (RU4sa)


I read all the replies to the question - just didn't feel like pasting them all them all.

I don't know - I've been out a long time. Over twenty years now, and I was just junior enlisted. I have no doubt the composition has changed. When I was in, there were plenty that would do as they were told. All it would take would be the right briefing, to give their little pin-heads the minimum of justification.

Wasn't a whole lot of deep thinking amongst the rank and file in my time. We weren't exactly Constitutional Scholars. But we were extremely proficient at drinking beer.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (UdYkW)

85 It will take years to clean up the mess Obammy left in his wake.

Take even longer with a president who doesn't seem to be making it a priority.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:15 PM (KZzsI)

86 82 I'm not talking about good or bad here, just expressing why people might be so upset and angry as to do that. Frustration, rage, helplessness, watching your country collapse, and then along comes some sneering jackwagon to mock you for it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (KZzsI)

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It's not like we're talking about anything important here, like Marvel movies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:15 PM (q80AH)

87 Strasburg re-upped with the Nationals
245 million

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)

88 Risch seems to be one of the good guys...or he just hides his shit better...

Posted by: Builder Berg at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (qMnBn)

89 From last thread: 543 OK. new civil service rule: every government employee is fired when a new administration takes over.
Posted by: x at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (nFwvY)
..........
Then we only hire back 25% of them. Maybe.
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (v0R5T)

That actually WAS the rule for the first 100 years of this countries existence.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (trdmm)

90 Strasburg re-upped with the Nationals

245 million

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:15 PM (cEsBM)

That's a lot of clams!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (q1Pj5)

91 Maybe we need more cute baby weasel pictures.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (RD7QR)

92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.

You really think the deep state and their elected stooges are going to allow their impeachment to be honest?

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (vPKfA)

93 Carthage comes to mind so frequently lately.

Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (mO8tz)

94 Graham has preannounced he will cover up shit loads of stuff.

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I had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.

Not one single investigation has been initiated.

He's still a bastard.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:09 PM (AzW6q)


And yet I get shat on when I predict nobody will so much as get their hair mussed at the end of it all. At this point, why even bother to have an election next year? Since nobody who is purportedly on "our side" is interesting in stopping the Deep State coup, why go through all the hassle of polling, politicking and voting? Just call up Vindman, Nadler, Pelosi and Graham and say, "Who do you want? Warren, Biden or Buttgargle?"

And while we're at it, let's lay to rest that silliness about the ballot box and the cartridge box, too, since we're too busy clucking over yesterday's Pats game to drag these bastards out by the neck.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (Ki5SV)

95 It will take years to clean up the mess Obammy left in his wake.

Take even longer with a president who doesn't seem to be making it a priority.

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The military should really be shrunk - in terms of manpower. That is how you eliminate these people. Without a real war to fight, they start finding other missions - missions they have no business to take on.

This country has shown an ability to mobilize quickly when necessary.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (sX1BW)

96 Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:10 PM (DJFL

Come on. Posting others comments to contradict claim that they were never said is in no way out of bounds.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (oiW2a)

97 Leftists think they can parade a bunch of military medals in front of conservatives and we'll swoon with admiration, as a sort-of automatic reflex response.

Thus, their greatest dream is a decorated military man who espouses leftist or Deep State narratives. They think that we will internalize those narratives if delivered to us by an Unimpeachable Patriot.

Of course, the left is delusional in this assumption. I think it was John Kerry himself back in '71 who forever obliterated right-wingers' assumption that all soldiers are pro-America. When Kerry accused all his squad members, the military in general and the entire United States as war criminals, and claimed to have thrown his medals over the White House fence, all with a poncy elitest accent, that was it. The enemy can wear an American uniform too, we all realized.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (fK2gX)

98 had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.

Isn't Grassley due to take over that committee very soon?

Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (cfSLd)

99 Tie the fat fuck to a pole and use him to sight in mortar rounds.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (dJrqU)

100 ... I tried to keep my voice steady, but it became increasingly difficult - the rage and feelings of helplessness were just too much. I think my daughter could tell something was wrong. I found myself at a loss for words - nothing makes sense anymore. I finally had to admit "Honey, I just don't know - I don't know what's going on in this country anymore...."

When I finished, her lower lip started to tremble and her eyes began to fill with tears. "Daddy," she said, "Why is Trump doing this to our country?" Well, that was it for me. I finally fell apart. She just fell into my arms and we both began sobbing for several minutes.

For once, she had to comfort me and get me back on my feet. Sometimes I think it's just too much, but seeing the strength in my daughter's voice helped to get me through.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (cGJ7O)

101 Pastry Repository Alex Vindman
.........

I hope somebody has thanked him for his service today, maybe the clerk at his local bakery?

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (v0R5T)

102 Maybe we need more cute baby weasel pictures.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (RD7QR)

Ya'll need to fire up a blunt and chill.

Posted by: Vote for Marijuana! at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (88+cf)

103 That actually WAS the rule for the first 100 years of this countries existence.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (trdmm)
+++++++++++++++
The greatest negative consequence of Pendleton.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)

104 elitest = elitist

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:19 PM (fK2gX)

105 And while we're at it, let's lay to rest that
silliness about the ballot box and the cartridge box, too, since we're
too busy clucking over yesterday's Pats game to drag these bastards out
by the neck.


Dude, look, I get it - you're upset. But come on, dial it back.

They're still gonna' make the Wild Card. Brady's got a good game or two left in him. There's hope.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:19 PM (UdYkW)

106 98 had hopes for him after Kav that he'd changed. Then he took over SJC, and promised investigations of the coup plotters.

Isn't Grassley due to take over that committee very soon?
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (cfSLd)

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Next Congress.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:19 PM (q80AH)

107 I linked some i.chzbgr.com in the willow zone last thread.

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 03:19 PM (FhXTo)

108 willowed

Yeah yeah we just print zillions of $$$ to cover guvamint budgets [and it's no longer even a topic, much less an issue, in the political arena], but the IG budget looks like a source for savings.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (El6T/)

I wish that were true, but IG"s aren't going anywhere. More than likely, if you dig deep for days into one of the millions of regulations propagated by some agency or law that was enacted by Congress, you will find a rule requiring an agency to host and fully fund an IG's office, replete with hundreds of lawyers. It won't be something that Barr, or Manuchin or Wray, or the sec. of Ag can eliminate with a pen, nor can an EO from Trump.

Who do you all think applies to be a "government lawyer"? How do you think they get hired for a particular department in the first place. It's because they knew someone who knew someone and they applied back when a particular party was in control and they were one of the members. And they become buried in the bureaucracy.

Remember the screaming and howls from the jerks at the dept. of AG who refuse to move to where Ag is actually located to do their job? Why do you think that is, LOL. The majority of these people are there to get a paycheck and benefits and have zero interest in the subject of their job.

Also, I highly doubt Horowitz (like Mueller) interviewed and assembled this report all by himself directly. His hundreds of minion lawyers and their legal aids and their assistants are the ones who did this. He just rubber stamped it because he has no ability to actually conduct the thousands of hours of interviews and research on the agency himself. He is simply depending on his staff, many of whom he's probably never met, LOL.

And so we get an HR dictated report. I would suggest you all who are having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.


Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (I3OPu)

109 OT: If you search today's report for James "Comey", you'll come up with 0 results.

If, however, you search for "Corney", that is, with an 'r' and an 'n', you'll find him mentioned 149 times.

"You got the wrong guy, Copper!"

Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (cfSLd)

110
Tie the fat fuck to a pole and use him to sight in mortar rounds.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (dJrqU)


Press his fat fucking ass into a 16" naval gun and use enough powder to get him sub orbital.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (9Om/r)

111 The greatest negative consequence of Pendleton.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)

What does an exercise bike have to do with this!

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)

112 111 The greatest negative consequence of Pendleton.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)

What does an exercise bike have to do with this!
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)

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*points at board with red string*

Everything!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (q80AH)

113 The greatest negative consequence of Pendleton.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (I2dne)
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What do high-quality woollen garments have to d with it?

Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (3Z6pZ)

114
CheChe lives....

Apparently in Grump's garage apartment conversion.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (kw0bd)

115 Fat lying partisan fucking Fobbit. He could pass the ACFT if he had someone take it for him.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (8/E19)

116 What does an exercise bike have to do with this!
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)
++++++++++
Misogyny and patriarchy, bro.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (I2dne)

117 92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.

What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?

Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)

118 441 Has Getcha Pull-my-finger come in and spiked the football on how great the IG report is yet?
Posted by: StefanH


No. And MAGA has totally ignored what they wrote Thursday morning.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (7jTtI)

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Willowed.

What?

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (bloh/)

119 106. Thats the biggest drawback of the Senate's automatic seniority system. You end up with people who "play ball" with the swamp, and therefore survive and prosper.

No one that is actually in line to chair the Senate Judiciary Committee would actually do anything right now.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (JRaU+)

120 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.

You really think the deep state and their elected stooges are going to allow their impeachment to be honest?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (vPKfA)

Uh, Trump's lawyers get to call witnesses, not the Republicans.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (I3OPu)

121 Party time! Just got a letter from Social Security, I am in the money now. I am getting a 1.6% raise in my SS check!

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (JUOKG)

122 When I'm President, I'm going to smell you like you've never been smelled before. Gonna smell you like Patton smelled Vicksburg and you know what you're gonna do about it? Nothing, fatty, that's what, if you know what's good for you. Fatty.

Posted by: Old uncle Joe at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (GBBOD)

123 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (Zz0t1)

124 117 92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.

What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)
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Anyone who will expose the graft on either side. To expose one side is to expose all sides.

Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (G0vdT)

125 Party time! Just got a letter from Social Security, I am in the money now. I am getting a 1.6% raise in my SS check!

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You're welcome.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (sX1BW)

126 I saw Strategic Pastry Repository open for Dredd Zepplin at The Grenada in '92.

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (Zz0t1)

127 Vindman is exactly the type of officer who would sashay into son's NCO office and everyone would immediately clam up. "What's everyone talking about?" NCOs: "Oh, nothing. The weather."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (ptqGC)

128 120. During an impeachment, the Senate determine who is relevant, and who is not relevant to be called a s a witness.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (JRaU+)

129 125 Party time! Just got a letter from Social Security, I am in the money now. I am getting a 1.6% raise in my SS check!

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You're welcome.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (sX1BW)

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I was assured that SS was just us paying into an account for us to use later personally.

Was I misled?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (q80AH)

130 92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.

You really think the deep state and their elected stooges are going to allow their impeachment to be honest?
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (vPKfA)

One outlet this morning suggested a possible "deal" in the Senate; if McConnell and Graham refrain from calling people like Schiff and Biden as witnesses, then Collins, Murkowski, and Romney will vote anyway McConnell wants them to vote on everything else. I'm guessing Manchin, and maybe Sinema and a few others would be in on that deal also.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (trdmm)

131 Proposed legislation:

WHEREAS internal controls, processes, procedures and accountability structures have clearly and obviously failed and this failure has been detrimental to the liberties and freedoms of the free citizens of the United States, the US PATRIOT act and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act are hereby repealed.

If any congressman brings that forward, he or she gets the maximum donation from me for the 2020 campaign.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (I2dne)

132 They tried to hide LTC douchebag with the 3rd Infantry Division. But he's such a fat fuck they had to put him up in the stables and everyone knew he wasn't a horse.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (8/E19)

133 Strategic Pastry Receptacle

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (v0R5T)

134 And while we're at it, let's lay to rest that silliness about the ballot box and the cartridge box, too, since we're too busy clucking over yesterday's Pats game to drag these bastards out by the neck.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

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We're closer than you think IMO.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (prSvo)

135 Happy Birfday to you, Mr Scott.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (dJrqU)

136 117
92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.



What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?

Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)

Witnesses that admit that PDT never asked for quid pro qou, but he used his secret mind rays to make them think they heard it and then testify to that in Schiff 'blanket fort in the cellar of the House but ultimately refute it in cross examination?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (ymnmz)

137 You know when you buy a box of donuts at the donut store and by the afternoon the donut box is covered with grease spots? That is how I envision LTC bearclaws closet.

Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (377Zs)

138 I sweat butter and bleed the gravy of heros.

Posted by: Vindman at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (AzW6q)

139 116 What does an exercise bike have to do with this!
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (oiW2a)
++++++++++
Misogyny and patriarchy, bro.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)


The real truth: Feminists hate the Peloton ad because they are simply JEALOUS of how hot the wife is. They also think: I'd kill to look like her, and yet this company is implying that she's not hot enough? You mean -- my striving for hotness will never reach a finish line, that it's always possible to look better? Noooooo!

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (fK2gX)

140 I've always wanted secret mind rays. Think of the tail you could pull.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (RD7QR)

141
O5 and below seems okay yet, from what I understand through sources.

And as someone already mentioned, those ring knockers are mostly staff, not line.

Posted by: Irongrampa at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (KATBx)

142 124 117 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.

What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:21 PM (CmURZ)
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Anyone who will expose the graft on either side. To expose one side is to expose all sides.
Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 03:23 PM (G0vdT)


Maybe I'm naiive, but I think/hope Cruz, Josh Hawley and Tom Cotton are the straight shooters in the Senate.

Offhand can't think of anyone else.

Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (CmURZ)

143 He sure puts the MF in REMF.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (Z4rgH)

144 Come on. Posting others comments to contradict claim that they were never said is in no way out of bounds.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:17 PM (oiW2a)

sure, reposting is common. But highlighting in bold is just so in-yo-facey.
Like why should any of us be happy that another one was wrong about this report? Or its outcome? I sure am not dancing on anyone's grave. I thought we were all in this together.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (DJFLF)

145 120. During an impeachment, the Senate determine who is relevant, and who is not relevant to be called a s a witness.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:24 PM (JRaU+)

Do the Democrats have anyone who is relevant to call on?

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (I3OPu)

146 92 Report is though, Cruz met with Trump and said there isn't the votes in the Senate to call "controversial" witnesses.



What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?

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Sitting Congressmen, Former Senators, and Former Senator offspring.

Its just a coincidence that they are all Democrats.

But to call on our elected representatives, or former colleagues and their cokedup children would be beyond the pale.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (sX1BW)

147 I'd like to ask a guy who was one of our son's BFFs in the Marines, who's now in the Army at Ranger School, what he thinks of chow thiefs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (ptqGC)

148 The real truth: Feminists hate the Peloton ad because they are simply JEALOUS of how hot the wife is. They also think: I'd kill to look like her, and yet this company is implying that she's not hot enough? You mean -- my striving for hotness will never reach a finish line, that it's always possible to look better? Noooooo!
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (fK2gX)
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Maybe. If her lesbo "wife" had given her one, I doubt we'd have heard an objection.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (I2dne)

149 138
I sweat butter and bleed the gravy of heros.

Posted by: Vindman at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (AzW6q)

They said heros, and you thought they were talking sandwiches and signed up twice.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (1CjJc)

150 Read his fucking Purple Heart citation. Most infantry guys call that "Monday".

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (8/E19)

151
LTC FatBoy could use some remedial PT. I'd love to see some vindictive Spec4 run him through some grass drills, or maybe a 12 mile road march while barking orders at him the whole way.

Flutter kicks in the mud. Shit like that.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (kw0bd)

152 140 X Ray specs for the win!

Posted by: rammajamma at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (PQRcz)

153 And so we get an HR dictated report. I would suggest you all who are
having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be
immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work
or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.




Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)


People are pissed that the system failed. Less and less people give a shit as time goes on about the intricacies of why failure is built into the system.

The more people having the vapors, the better. This failure has been accepted for far too long, and it won't cure itself.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (UdYkW)

154 I bet the rally in Hershey tomorrow is going to be lit...Can't wait to hear that.

Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (CT57M)

155 What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
I'm thinking Gropey Joe and his crackhead spawn. Collegiality of the Senate and all that oligarchical bullshit.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (DJFLF)

156 OT: If you search today's report for James "Comey", you'll come up with 0 results.

If, however, you search for "Corney", that is, with an 'r' and an 'n', you'll find him mentioned 149 times.

"You got the wrong guy, Copper!"
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2019 03:20 PM (cfSLd)
........

How many times does "Cornhole" appear?

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (v0R5T)

157 154 I bet the rally in Hershey tomorrow is going to be lit...Can't wait to hear that.
Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (CT57M)


Can we make smores out of Sta-Puft self inflating bearclaw Vindbag?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (zBaqJ)

158
I bet the rally in Hershey tomorrow is going to be lit...Can't wait to hear that.
Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (CT57M)
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Cool nic.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (AzW6q)

159 145. If the Senate does not allow hearsay witnesses, the DEMS will have to produce the whistle blower. I do not believe there are that many actual fact witnesses for the DEMS to call (because Trump did not do anything wrong).

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (JRaU+)

160 I'd really like to know how many Vindman's are on active duty. Because he's just the type that would fire on the Citizenry.

How many are like him seems to be a really important question right about now.


Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:08 PM (UdYkW)

He's a total Bolshevik and is probably descended from bolsheviks

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (U7k5w)

161
I'm waiting for Brian Stelter to comment on his fellow pastry repository.

Posted by: Sphynx at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (rXie1)

162 We usually send chow thief's to the CSM. Because he's very understanding and genteel about fat, thieving fobbits.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (8/E19)

163 The Military is just like any other large organization. It contains a low percentage of criminals, traitors, self serving dead weight, imbeciles. That is inevitable. But still, most members are a credit to America and have much reason to be proud of their branch of the service and their personal service to their country. The bad apples usually get their due and do not reflect on the rest. JMHO.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (yfoZs)

164 The real truth: Feminists hate the Peloton ad
because they are simply JEALOUS of how hot the wife is. They also think:
I'd kill to look like her, and yet this company is implying that she's
not hot enough? You mean -- my striving for hotness will never reach a finish line, that it's always possible to look better? Noooooo!

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (fK2gX)

Just like the patriarchy to build a bike that won't take women out of the house no matter how hard the pedal and makes them wear skimpy cloths cause its so hot...like in a kitchen.!!!!!

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (ymnmz)

165 "I'm thinking Gropey Joe and his crackhead spawn. Collegiality of the Senate and all that oligarchical bullshit."

YOU SHUT UP YOUR FAT MOUTH, FATTY, AFORE I COME OVER THERE AND GIVE YOU A GOOD SMELLIN'!

Posted by: Old uncle Joe at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (GBBOD)

166 Dems impeachment lawyer basically admits to quid pro quo on the part of Joe Biden-


https://tinyurl.com/qkpshv3

Posted by: redridinghood at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (wiXsO)

167 I've always wanted secret mind rays. Think of the tail you could pull.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 03:25 PM (RD7QR)

X-ray specs. Whoa!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (q1Pj5)

168 159 145. If the Senate does not allow hearsay witnesses, the DEMS will have to produce the whistle blower. I do not believe there are that many actual fact witnesses for the DEMS to call (because Trump did not do anything wrong).
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (JRaU+)
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Um, wasn't WB report based on hearsay?

Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (G0vdT)

169 And so we get an HR dictated report. I would suggest you all who are
having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be
immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work
or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)
+++++++++++++
That's not the point. The point isn't the IG's power or lack thereof. The point is a report full of gross malfeasance with a conclusion and recommendations section that boils down to "people really screwed up and the FBI needs better process control and training and to close process gaps."

Even if the IG has no power to actually do anything, he can still call it what it is.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (I2dne)

170 I'm waiting for Brian Stelter to comment on his fellow pastry repository.
Posted by: Sphynx at December 09, 2019 03:28 PM (rXie1)


What does Brian Setzer have to do with anything?

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (Zz0t1)

171 Oh FFS. Witness is blathering about Vindman being a "war hero" to Steve "Chicken Eatin'" Cohen.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (ptqGC)

172 Repository opens up good limerick action too.


********

Challenge Accepted - a limerick

The strategic pastry repository
Went to Congress in all of his glory
His fellow soldiers had some class
And told him, 'Shove it up your ass.
Like a secondhand rectal suppository!"


Posted by: Muldoon at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (m45I2)

173 History is the best predictor.

On the accountable side, we have one Eddie Slovik, shot for desertion WWII.
On the deep state side of history, we have Bowe Bergdahl, Chelsea Manning, Lois Lerner and John Koskinen, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Comey, Baker, Strock, Page, etc.
Enablers: Sessionszzz, Rosenstein, Wray, Horowitz and players to be named later.

Hopes = dashed.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (r28kI)

174 168. The report was, yes. We do not know what the whistelblower knew or did not know, as they did not testify.

Based on only the report, then yes, the whole thing is hearsay.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (JRaU+)

175 Leftists think they can parade a bunch of military medals in front of conservatives and we'll swoon with admiration, as a sort-of automatic reflex response.

Thus, their greatest dream is a decorated military man who espouses leftist or Deep State narratives. They think that we will internalize those narratives if delivered to us by an Unimpeachable Patriot.

Of course, the left is delusional in this assumption. I think it was John Kerry himself back in '71 who forever obliterated right-wingers' assumption that all soldiers are pro-America. When Kerry accused all his squad members, the military in general and the entire United States as war criminals, and claimed to have thrown his medals over the White House fence, all with a poncy elitest accent, that was it. The enemy can wear an American uniform too, we all realized.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:18 PM (fK2gX)

Same thing with the Russia-Russia-Russia. They think we Cold Warriors will just tumble into line, when they were the pinko sympathizers who opposed any resistance to the USSR back in the 70s and 80s.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (eoQWY)

176 145. If the Senate does not allow hearsay witnesses, the DEMS will have to produce the whistle blower. I do not believe there are that many actual fact witnesses for the DEMS to call (because Trump did not do anything wrong).

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I don't think that is the controversial witness.

But I don't think you need to call Biden or his son as a witness.

Their testimony offers nothing.

It is obvious that it was a corrupt arrangement.

In fact, by not talking about it, I think they make it worse.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (sX1BW)

177 I think I've reached a saturation point regarding corruption and disgusting behavior.by the Left. We're asked to endure these endless trials and longueurs awaiting justice and all we get is more grit kicked in our face by gloating Leftists.

Justice delayed is justice denied. Give us justice, somebody.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (H8QX8)

178 Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (DJFLF)

I get it but I also note that a lot depends on who is getting the in your face. Jackstraw is a good guy and long time poster who is well liked as opposed to , well someone like garrett.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (oiW2a)

179 I really want a cigarette
Posted by: willow No, ya don't.

Hang tough, willow.

And hiya.

Posted by: JT at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (arJlL)

180 The majority of citizens are becoming more and more cynical about the system. That kind of erosion of trust in the government and justice system does not heal easily and eventually boils over.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)

181 176. My response was to Jen, regarding any relevant witnesses.

The controversial witnesses are obviously the current and former congress critters and their kin.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (JRaU+)

182 Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (r28kI)

Lindsey isn't investigating because he's have to take down the McCain Institute and disclose his own role.

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (U7k5w)

183 Just read Kurt Schlichter's latest and had to love the appearance of the "spud-shaped General Stelter." I was reading it on an airplane and kept trying to hold my chuckles down.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (U7qMl)

184 The Military is just like any other large organization. It contains a low percentage of criminals, traitors, self serving dead weight, imbeciles. That is inevitable. But still, most members are a credit to America and have much reason to be proud of their branch of the service and their personal service to their country. The bad apples usually get their due and do not reflect on the rest. JMHO.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (yfoZs)

Exactly. And much of the political division and PC crap in the Military has less to do with Fredo and more to do with just the basic divisions and the hyjcking of the educational system in this country than anything Fredo did or did not do. As I have said continually here, Fredo or any President has very little to do with the make up of the Officer Corps to well past O-7

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (cEsBM)

185 Is willow up for some purty pichers?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (yfoZs)

186 The IG is giving a nod to 3 fkn years of lies and damage to the country and presidency. Does he comment on McCabe the hardly did anything wrong going on CNN?

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (3Lhlu)

187 Sitting Congressmen, Former Senators, and Former Senator offspring.



Its just a coincidence that they are all Democrats.



But to call on our elected representatives, or former colleagues and their cokedup children would be beyond the pale.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (sX1BW)


Calling Joe Biden and asking him what his punishment was for the quid prop qou he bragged about and having him say "None" would make for a pretty short Senate trial.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 03:32 PM (ymnmz)

188 Weirder and weirder.


CNBC is implying Steele had the hots for Ivanka, after meeting her in 2006 and staying in touch thereafter, and even hoped to go into business with Trump financial backing after leaving MI6. Instead he ended up being backed by Russians and Ukranians. This guy lives in a dream world.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (NVYyb)

189 171 Oh FFS. Witness is blathering about Vindman being a "war hero" to Steve "Chicken Eatin'" Cohen.
Posted by: Jane D'oh


Vindman was a "war hero" the same way that Jimi Hendrix was in the Royal Hussars.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (fK2gX)

190 What about all the. Lies and leaks to media? Only slightly naughty?

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (3Lhlu)

191 I'd like to ask a guy who was one of our son's BFFs
in the Marines, who's now in the Army at Ranger School, what he thinks
of chow thiefs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (ptqGC)


I'm not a religious man, but if there is a Hell, it is surely not hot enough for the rotten bastard that rat-fucks the MREs.

Stealing chow is one thing. Rat-fucking the MREs is quite another. If Vindman is guilty of that, I'll build the gallows myself.

And I've seen Vindman - I won't go cheap on the lumber bill.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (UdYkW)

192 What is that in your locker, Private Vindman?

Posted by: Zombie R. Lee Ermey at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (q1Pj5)

193 YOU SHUT UP YOUR FAT MOUTH, FATTY, AFORE I COME OVER THERE AND GIVE YOU A GOOD SMELLIN'!

Posted by: Old uncle Joe at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (GBBOD)

Come at me Joe!

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:33 PM (DJFLF)

194 The majority of citizens are becoming more and more cynical about the system. That kind of erosion of trust in the government and justice system does not heal easily and eventually boils over.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)



One might even suggest that Russia has an interest in using their Democratic assets to foment just this type of discord.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (cGJ7O)

195 The majority of citizens are becoming more and more cynical about the system. That kind of erosion of trust in the government and justice system does not heal easily and eventually boils over.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)
++++++++++++
Yup. People see this crap but it doesn't hit home. Then they get a speeding ticket. Or they (or a friend or loved one) gets railroaded by a corrupt prosecutor (BIRM).

Then the cold anger builds. In their inner monologue, it becomes "law? What law? Ain't no law. Fuck the law."

And eventually that becomes outer monologue.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (I2dne)

196 Eek. Xipe!

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (3Lhlu)

197 Go Gohmert!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (q1Pj5)

198 What is the Senate's definition of controversial? Anyone who will contradict what the Deep State witnesses say?
I'm thinking Gropey Joe and his crackhead spawn. Collegiality of the Senate and all that oligarchical bullshit.
Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:27 PM (DJFLF)

Actually, why have Biden appear as a witness or Crackhead Biden? The fact that Trump asked the Ukranian president to determine what happened in the investigation of Burisma and whether Biden and spawn were involved in corruption is why Trump is being impeached( improperly) . There isn't anything to be asked of Biden and Spawn that would refute or support Trump's discussion with the Ukranian president.

Any investigation of the Bidens( which Rudy has done) should be given to Barr for possible prosecution, not the frickin Senate. Even Clinton wasn't prosecuted by the Senate for his actual felony he committed, he was impeached for having committed a possible felony. (lying to a federal grand jury) . He was eventually prosecuted when he was out of office by the Arkansas AG, found guilty, fined and then the Arkansas Bar disbarred him for five years.

So Trump's threats of calling the Bidens as witnesses is unfortunately, one of those things he occasionally does as a threat that has no teeth.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (I3OPu)

199 YOU SHUT UP YOUR FAT MOUTH, FATTY, AFORE I COME OVER THERE AND GIVE YOU A GOOD SMELLIN'!
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My favorite Biden moment of the past week was when he mentioned that he should have challenged the town hall fat guy to a push up contest during an interview about the exchange.

Um, he did.

Dude is seriously touched.

Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (gAMkn)

200
I'd like to ask a guy who was one of our son's BFFs in the Marines, who's now in the Army at Ranger School, what he thinks of chow thiefs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (ptqGC)





Not a chow thief, but that got me thinking about one of the guys in my unit who went through Ranger School, talking about one of the other students. The instructors kept seeing him chewing on something, but could never catch him hiding pogy bait. Until they noticed that he was only chewing when he retied his boots.

Turns out that like most of the other guys, he'd use 550 cord for his boot laces, but he pulled out the inner strands and threaded that thin red licorice through the cord sheath.

They dinged him for smuggling pogy bait into the class, but gave him a credit for ingenuity, so it was a wash.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (kw0bd)

201 Same thing with the Russia-Russia-Russia. They think we Cold Warriors will just tumble into line, when they were the pinko sympathizers who opposed any resistance to the USSR back in the 70s and 80s.
Posted by: Oldcat


Oh, of course. The entire purpose and strategy of accusing Trump of being in league with "the Russians" is to trigger our automatic knee-jerk reflex reaction "Russian=Rooskies=commies!" and believe that Trump was a commie. That is the genesis and thrust of the whole hoax.

Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2019 03:36 PM (fK2gX)

202 GO MERT

Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 03:36 PM (rpxSz)

203 The phrase "criminal referral" does not appear in the IG report.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 03:36 PM (mdsFe)

204 Look how much time I saved everyone!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (Hi8cV


You don't understand - the wailing, the lighting of the hair, the rage-twitching on the ground - these are some of our sacred traditions. Traditions that must be upheld lest they be lost.

Now, I must go and put on my sackcloth gown, the Despondency Cotillion is tonight.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (hLRSq)

205 Actually, why have Biden appear as a witness or Crackhead Biden?

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I think it is actually better to not have them appear.

It is so obviously corrupt.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (sX1BW)

206 garrett.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (oiW2a)


It actually was neither of those two. Yes, I can see why someone would want to spike the ball in garrett's face though.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (DJFLF)

207 171 Oh FFS. Witness is blathering about Vindman being a "war hero" to Steve "Chicken Eatin'" Cohen.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM (ptqGC)


He ain't no Michael Corleone.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (zBaqJ)

208 203 The phrase "criminal referral" does not appear in the IG report.
Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 03:36 PM (mdsFe)

Party at McCabe's place!

Posted by: Whorowitz at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (U7k5w)

209 Louie Gohmert is on fire. Just made a snide reference to Barry and his "I've got a pen and a phone" comment. That that was acting more like a damned "king" than anything Trump has said or done.

Gohmert just said, "I'm scared for my country." Called the hearing a "kangaroo court."


And some ass just said, "Treason is not mentioned in the report." And Gohmert said, "It is in the copy we were given."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (ptqGC)

210 The phrase "Epstein killed himself" also does not appear in the IG report.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 03:38 PM (mdsFe)

211 Now, I must go and put on my sackcloth gown, the Despondency Cotillion is tonight.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (hLRSq)

WHAT??
No one told me. I thought tonite was the Eveningn of the Opening of the Veins.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:38 PM (DJFLF)

212 Read his fucking Purple Heart citation. Most infantry guys call that "Monday".

Yeah that's the impression I got as well. "I was nicked by a tiny piece of flying debris! Pin the medal to my pillow as I lie in my bed!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:38 PM (KZzsI)

213 Goldman = ass

Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (377Zs)

214 I saw Despondency Cotillion open for Burning Hair at the Superdome in '83

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (I2dne)

215
Purple Heart? I thought he got a Purple Helmet. Or Nurple.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (zBaqJ)

216 Why would only part of my post send and not all???

"he was eventually prosecuted when he was out of office by the Arkansas AG and found guilty of lying and fined(no jail time). He was then disbarred by the Arkansas Bar for five years and permanently stripped of his ability to argue in front of the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (I3OPu)

217 I am a hero and so is Rosenstein.

Posted by: Whorowitz at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (U7k5w)

218 206
garrett.



Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (oiW2a)

It actually was neither of those two. Yes, I can see why someone would want to spike the ball in garrett's face though.


Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (DJFLF)

Easy, unless you are joking. Garrett is not here to return the spike into your faces.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)

219
The majority of citizens are becoming more and more cynical about the system. That kind of erosion of trust in the government and justice system does not heal easily and eventually boils over.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 03:31 PM (prSvo)
++++++++++++
Yup. People see this crap but it doesn't hit home. Then they get a speeding ticket. Or they (or a friend or loved one) gets railroaded by a corrupt prosecutor (BIRM).

Then the cold anger builds. In their inner monologue, it becomes "law? What law? Ain't no law. Fuck the law."

And eventually that becomes outer monologue.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (I2dne)







The DeepState dooshbags keep forgetting that this same principle applies on the Left as well as the Right. That's why Bernie has been viable as a candidate, he and Trump are both symptoms of the same cynicism against the government and the major political party elites, although they approach that cynicism from different perspectives.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (kw0bd)

220 So, LTC Sta-Puft's Purple Heart is right up there with John F'in Kerry's "Shot myself in the ass" PH?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (U7qMl)

221 Gah. Hank Johnson is yakking. He actually sounds borderline "special."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (ptqGC)

222 to be fair kallisto, the realists have gotten alot of "if only someone told you" spiked balls in our face the last 2 years.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (r+sAi)

223 They dinged him for smuggling pogy bait into the class, but gave him a credit for ingenuity, so it was a wash.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (kw0bd)


When I went in, nothing worried me more than the stereotypes of bad food in the Army. At least during my time, '90 - '96, that was not the case. I never went hungry, and ate quite a bit that I liked. No complaints.

But damn, they just about killed me on sleep. I could never get enough. I grew late, and am convinced I would be at least a couple inches taller if it wasn't for boot camp.

On the plus side, I can sleep on command now. I think because I'm still fucking tired from twenty years ago.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (UdYkW)

224
I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)

225 The thing is, I think the left understands the rage out there and fears people acting on it. They're just sure that if they can just get power again, they can make all the bad go away and fix it all because they're smart enough, they're good enough, and gosh darn it, people like them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (KZzsI)

226 I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.

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I think it is true, but would not say with certainty.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (sX1BW)

227 221 Gah. Hank Johnson is yakking. He actually sounds borderline "special."

We must impeach or Guam will tip over.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (U7qMl)

228 The DeepState dooshbags keep forgetting that this same principle applies on the Left as well as the Right. That's why Bernie has been viable as a candidate, he and Trump are both symptoms of the same cynicism against the government and the major political party elites, although they approach that cynicism from different perspectives.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (kw0bd)
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Yes. From one standpoint - the "fuck off and die, government pig" anti-establishment one - Trump and Sanders are the same person.

Trump thinks the answer is classic American values and disengaging from globalism. Bernie thinks the answer is communism.

Very big difference on prescription, but the underlying phenomenon is the same.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (I2dne)

229 I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)

Yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (cEsBM)

230 Ok, I"m leaving. The hamsters put the rest of my post back onto my original post...

like it partially fell out of the bag they were carrying and they went back and got it and put the letters up.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I3OPu)

231 I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)
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I think they used those up in the Gulf War, but they might still be using new old stock.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I2dne)

232 So Trump's threats of calling the Bidens as
witnesses is unfortunately, one of those things he occasionally does as a
threat that has no teeth.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:35 PM (I3OPu)

His threats are likely a tactical maneuver, as well as him believing this action can be taken. It's his big fat FU to all y'all deep state bitches. He's not backing down and also has the goods on their perfidy. And his attitude is reaping results in regards to his approval rating. Why are his numbers going up? Because nobody likes a loser, and Trump is behaving like a winner. A fighting, balls to the wall, unafraid, courageous WINNER.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (DJFLF)

233 224
I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)


Sounds like that may very well be the case. My poor uncle earned his the hard way. Posthumously.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (zBaqJ)

234 Brian Cates is still holding to his idea that the IG report was damning to the deep state and outlined a coup. What kind of shit is he smoking?

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (U7k5w)

235 On the plus side, I can sleep on command now. I think because I'm still fucking tired from twenty years ago.

One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position, whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)

236
Trump thinks the answer is classic American values and disengaging from globalism. Bernie thinks the answer is communism.

Very big difference on prescription, but the underlying phenomenon is the same.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (I2dne)







'zactly.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (kw0bd)

237 Cates "knows what's going on" and everyone else is delusional.

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (U7k5w)

238 I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)

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Yup. Same with body bags. Untill very recently, if i recall.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (8XRCm)

239 I think they used those up in the Gulf War, but they might still be using new old stock.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I2dne)

Nope. Came no where near to using them up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (cEsBM)

240 The DeepState dooshbags keep forgetting that this same principle applies on the Left as well as the Right. That's why Bernie has been viable as a candidate, he and Trump are both symptoms of the same cynicism against the government and the major political party elites, although they approach that cynicism from different perspectives.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (kw0bd)

I watch quite a bit of the Jimmy Dore show on Youtube - it is like a mirror of a conservative show for motives, but the hatred and contempt of the Mainstream Dems is similar....and the reporters they have on are actually investigating things.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (eoQWY)

241 Brian Cates is still holding to his idea that the IG report was damning to the deep state and outlined a coup.

What I've seen is pretty damning, the problem is that its also exonerating. It tries to have things both ways: here's what they did wrong but gosh they didn't mean to. Yes, the were surveiling the Trump campaign out of political animus but also because they were just so afraid bad things were happening.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (KZzsI)

242 Nope. Came no where near to using them up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (cEsBM)
+++++++++++++
Thank G-d for atomic bombs and blockade.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)

243 Brian Cates is still holding to his idea that the IG report was damning to the deep state and outlined a coup. What kind of shit is he smoking?
Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (U7k5w)

It did. The IG concluded nothing much should be done about it though....

Why Barr is saying the IG can't do anything but he can.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I3OPu)

244 Yup. Same with body bags. Untill very recently, if i recall.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (8XRCm)

They did not use up the body bags, but time and poor storage required new ones

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (cEsBM)

245 The thing is, I think the left understands the rage
out there and fears people acting on it. They're just sure that if they
can just get power again, they can make all the bad go away and fix it
all because they're smart enough, they're good enough, and gosh darn it,
people like them.


Nope. Nada. Nyet. Chris - on this - you are simply wrong.

The Left doesn't fear anything except guns in the hands of Citizens. This is true of the rank and file as well as the leadership. As they see it, the privately owned gun is the only lever of power they don't completely control. It's why they hate it so damn much. And that hatred is mostly instinctual - because they really can't completely visualize what it's widespread use would look like.

And they don't give a flying fuck if they're liked. They intend on being obeyed.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (UdYkW)

246
221 Gah. Hank Johnson is yakking. He actually sounds borderline "special."


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (ptqGC)


The more people see the Democrats in action, the better it gets - for unintended comedy.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (hLRSq)

247 Why Barr is saying the IG can't do anything but he can.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I3OPu)
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I hope he actually freaking does it.

Also, that presupposes that the IG wanted to do something about it. He didn't. I know he *can't* but he could have made referrals and called it what it is.

He chose not to.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)

248 But I don't think you need to call Biden or his son as a witness.



Their testimony offers nothing.



It is obvious that it was a corrupt arrangement.



In fact, by not talking about it, I think they make it worse.


Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 03:30 PM

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I disagree. biden is an actual material witness in this case. He claimed that he did the exact same thing the democrats are accusing Trump of doing and it's on video.


He needs to be put on the spot under oath and questioned about his bragging about withholding US aid until the prosecutor investigating his son got fired.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (JUOKG)

249 Thank G-d for atomic bombs and blockade.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)

Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)

250 I watch quite a bit of the Jimmy Dore show on Youtube - it is like a mirror of a conservative show for motives, but the hatred and contempt of the Mainstream Dems is similar....and the reporters they have on are actually investigating things.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (eoQWY)

I watch him too. He's about the only liberal I can watch.

Pretty funny, he likes Tucker Carlson, and while I disagree with 90% of his politics I do like the way he goes after the Left like we go after our "side" here.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (U7qMl)

251 In 2015 most of us didn't know the deep state existed.

I was one of those willing to push for GOP as a better alternative to Dem.

I admit it is possible (or probable) that no one is punished at all for a naked attempted coup.

One year from now we might be screaming about an obviously fixed election.

But at least we now know. Whether or not the citizens find a way to take back the republic is to be seen. But the masks are off and we know that they are corrupt and intending is to be their serfs.

That will be Trump's biggest legacy I think.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (gVkxx)

252 249 Thank G-d for atomic bombs and blockade.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)

Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)


Ditto.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (zBaqJ)

253 Yup. Same with body bags. Untill very recently, if i recall.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (8XRCm)

They did not use up the body bags, but time and poor storage required new ones
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (cEsBM)

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I stand corrected.


How about amalgam??

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (8XRCm)

254 The Left doesn't fear anything except guns in the hands of Citizens.

And that's what they're trying to get ahead of. They think if only they can get back in power, they can fix it all and make all that go away. They know people are angry. The know there's real danger ahead. They just think they are outrunning the fuse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (KZzsI)

255 Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)
+++++++++++++
Maybe me, maybe not. My grandfather was badly wounded but still in service as a quartermaster.

But there are many *many* people who would never had been.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (I2dne)

256 Ditto.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (zBaqJ)

Yes. I'm glad Truman made the decision he did

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (U7k5w)

257
I remember 2 things about Basic to this day.

Shit am I tired and damn am I hungry.

Posted by: Irongrampa at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (KATBx)

258
I think that both parties will be unrecognizable in another ten years, if they even still exist. Everyone hates them and everything they stand for. The Uniparty controls everything for now, but the reaper spares no one, and as these dessicated old monkey skeletons all meet the cold embrace of the grave, they will be replaced by hardline communist radicals and nationalist populists.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (AzW6q)

259 I learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)


That is true. They had something like a million Purple Hearts and 500,000 body bags ordered. Olympic and Coronet would have been bloody like nothing ever in human history.

Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (U7voe)

260 One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is
that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position,
whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need
to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)

Yup.'Someone wakeup Hicks.' - Sgt Apone
'Wakeup Gordo, let's light this candle.' - CAPCOM Grissom

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (q1Pj5)

261 learned something interesting about Purple Hearts, I don't know if it's apocryphal. But, I heard that all of them are from WWII, because the Army was figuring there would be so many casualties from the land invasion of Japan that they stamped out so many that we still use them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (AzW6q)


My brother did counter intelligence and had a badge. When he retired from the army the badge was retired with him. He has it, it has a number engraved into it along with the words "War Department".

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (hLRSq)

262 I think they used those up in the Gulf War, but they might still be using new old stock.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (I2dne)



Nope. Came no where near to using them up



Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM

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I believe there a couple of hundred thousand left. The US expected the casualties resulting from an invasion of Japan to be over a half a million KIA, wounded and missing. The had that many purple hearts made ahead of time.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (JUOKG)

263 Latest example of the Principle Dems-don't-use-words-too-good is what I overheard at the hearing.

They have repeatedly said that they have a case of the president doing "this" for "personal gain".

Let's be straight. Ignoring which way the bribery is supposed to go for HC&M (it should be *to* an official), they argued that Trump "bribed" Zelensky--that is *spent* money--of course it was money that was already cleared and supposed to go sooner, but they wanted to use the word "bribe".

And then if we look at what is face implication, is that he wanted to dig up "dirt" on Biden to get re-elected. But "this" is the incident they have him on--they don't have any other incident. If we talk about re-election as a "personal gain" then there is a lot of that out there that we've been forgiving because they were just trying to get re-elected.

So "personal gain" (which I get they believe) is another chapter in Dem-don't-use-words-too-good.

Posted by: Axeman at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (YOhRS)

264 I disagree. biden is an actual material witness in this case. He claimed that he did the exact same thing the democrats are accusing Trump of doing and it's on video.


He needs to be put on the spot under oath and questioned about his bragging about withholding US aid until the prosecutor investigating his son got fired.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (JUOKG)

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Its not only that...... but the claim is Biden wasnt corrupt.

If he WAS corrupt.... that would make Trumps request for an investigation in corruption PROPER, ergo..... NO FUCKING IMPEACHMENT.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (8XRCm)

265 Also, that presupposes that the IG wanted to do something about it. He didn't. I know he *can't* but he could have made referrals and called it what it is.

He chose not to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)

He went with Wind driven Snow White in a nice semi-gloss

Posted by: Ask Sherwin Williams at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (U7k5w)

266 258 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (AzW6q)


The GOP cannot exist with a base fully awakened to the likes of Pee-Air Defecto, the Koch Brother and Paul Singer, etc.

It either goes the way of the Whigs or just gets subsumed by the Democrats. Both will never allow a real party based on the Trump doctrine to ever form if they can help it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (zBaqJ)

267 The thing is, I think the left understands the rage out there and fears people acting on it. They're just sure that if they can just get power again, they can make all the bad go away and fix it all because they're smart enough, they're good enough, and gosh darn it, people like them.

The Left is perfectly safe, based on the circular firing squad that's been going on all day here. Nobody wants to punish Comey, but lots of people want to punish MAGA or JackStraw or apparently now garrett.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (ZGrMX)

268 I think that both parties will be unrecognizable in another ten years,
if they even still exist. Everyone hates them and everything they stand
for.

My buddy and I were just discussing this. We're of the opinion that the Republic will only survivie if a new coatlition of centrist dems and GOP types forms - with a foundational constitutional/populist platform.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (DJFLF)

269 I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)


Even in my younger, mind of mush days, I never doubted the wisdom of dropping those bombs. Minimum of 100K casualties ? No.

Truman got it right.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (UdYkW)

270 Nope. Nada. Nyet. Chris - on this - you are simply wrong.

The Left doesn't fear anything except guns in the hands of Citizens. This is true of the rank and file as well as the leadership. As they see it, the privately owned gun is the only lever of power they don't completely control. It's why they hate it so damn much. And that hatred is mostly instinctual - because they really can't completely visualize what it's widespread use would look like.

And they don't give a flying fuck if they're liked. They intend on being obeyed.
Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (UdYkW)

I disagree.

They hate being ignored and they have being laughed at just as much as the fear guns in our hands.

That's why they try and silence the means we use to talk to each other outside of their filters and why they infiltrate things normal people like and try and break them down or just break them.

They need us to admit that we need them, but we don't.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (eoQWY)

271
On the plus side, I can sleep on command now. I think because I'm still fucking tired from twenty years ago.

One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position, whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)







Yup. I practically trained myself to sleep while driving....

On the plus side, it gave birth to some fun pranks. Sleeping while marching through the woods is actually quite possible. And on nights with a new moon, you can't see diddly squat in front of you, so you were issued those tiny little chemlights to stick in your helmet band (because the glow eyes on the camo band didn't have enough light to work).

It was fun to take your helmet off and walk it down to knee level and back again, and have the guy behind you trip up because his feet were looking for the hole you'd walked through. Or better yet, take off your helmet and walk it into a tree, and then cover the lights.

If you were awake, you didn't fall for those tricks. But if you were dozing while marching....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (kw0bd)

272 That is true. They had something like a million Purple Hearts and 500,000 body bags ordered. Olympic and Coronet would have been bloody like nothing ever in human history.
Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:47 PM (U7voe)
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And the Japanese might have been destroyed by it. Like "no longer enough of them to have a functioning culture" destroyed.

I suspect it wouldn't have gotten that far. Japan was desperate beyond belief due to blockade. It is possible that they would have capitulated fairly quickly after we landed on Honshu. They were very weak.

But looking at an atomic bomb versus *that* gamble and the scores of people dying every day due to random fire and operational losses?

No bid. Drop the big one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (I2dne)

273 Even in my younger, mind of mush days, I never doubted the wisdom of dropping those bombs. Minimum of 100K casualties ? No.
Truman got it right.


Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (UdYkW)


Pope Frankie disagrees.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (ptqGC)

274 The know there's real danger ahead. They just think they are outrunning the fuse.
=====
The left think's its a Sooper Genius.

Really, the left is Wile E. Coyote.

We're just hoping not to be standing too close when the Jet Pack explodes.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (C6xeQ)

275 Will Trump clean house from top to bottom?
We know Vindman isn't the only Team Coup POS in the WH/Nat Security ranks.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (bDqIh)

276 Dem genius recently just suggested that crime in your country is the "type of thing" for which you remove your chief prosecutor.

Whole lot of blue cities need to remove their corrupt, Soros-paid, DAs.

Posted by: Axeman at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (YOhRS)

277 Sean Davis currently kicking James Comey's sorry ass from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other, right in front of his former colleagues at the formerly respected FBI

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (NVYyb)

278 243
Brian Cates is still holding to his idea that the IG report was damning
to the deep state and outlined a coup. What kind of shit is he smoking?

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 03:42 PM (U7k5w)



It did. The IG concluded nothing much should be done about it though....



Why Barr is saying the IG can't do anything but he can.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I3OPu)

So let me get this straight....the IG report pretty much says that everything the FISA application was built on was bullshit and the FBI drones all fell for the lies that some un named black hats fed them, so they should not be held in legal jeopardy cause they are stupid and fell for it.............but the IG report seems to be silent on the fact that once the good hearted retards figured out is was all bullshit why didn't they go all medieval on those asses who lied to them and besmirched their boy/girl scout reputations and made the look all tarded?

Cause the Peepo under scrutiny here don't look at all upset "someone" made asses out of them.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (ymnmz)

279 I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)

Even in my younger, mind of mush days, I never doubted the wisdom of dropping those bombs. Minimum of 100K casualties ? No.

Truman got it right.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (UdYkW)

The idiots moaning about the A bombs never did the math about losses from the firebombing of nearly every other Japanese city *but* Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And we did those multiple times.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (eoQWY)

280 Pope Frankie disagrees.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (ptqGC)

=======

Pope Frankie is a dumb ass Commie.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 03:52 PM (NVYyb)

281 264 I disagree. biden is an actual material witness in this case. He claimed that he did the exact same thing the democrats are accusing Trump of doing and it's on video.


He needs to be put on the spot under oath and questioned about his bragging about withholding US aid until the prosecutor investigating his son got fired.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (JUOKG)

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Its not only that...... but the claim is Biden wasnt corrupt.

If he WAS corrupt.... that would make Trumps request for an investigation in corruption PROPER, ergo..... NO FUCKING IMPEACHMENT.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (8XRCm)

Ya'll are exactly right.

Wonder if the Bidens are considered controversial witnesses.

Yeah, thought so.

Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 03:52 PM (CmURZ)

282 The IG report pretty much says they were not bias ( BULLSHIT), only incompetent?

Hell of a report. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:52 PM (cEsBM)

283
And the Japanese might have been destroyed by it. Like "no longer enough of them to have a functioning culture" destroyed.

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What went on on Okinawa scared the bejeebus out of the War Department.

Invading Japan proper would have been even worse.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (8XRCm)

284 Whole lot of blue cities need to remove their corrupt, Soros-paid, DAs.

Posted by: Axeman at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (YOhRS)

Living in the Philly metro, which has been cursed with a Soros DA, and now subject to the Soros-dictated rule of Philly DA's mini-me in Delaware County, I was heartened this morning to hear that Trump has been hosting police chiefs from those Soros=ruled cities to get progress reports about how many criminals are being released and enabled by these scum suckers.
I'm thinking he plans to take federal action against the soros DAs.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (DJFLF)

285 Nobody wants to punish Comey

Really? Seems like everyone here is calling for his imprisonment at minimum and just upset at people for mocking them because they are skeptical anything will happen. I mean various people specifically mentioned putting Comey in the stocks, prison, and firing squad in previous threads...

I would consider that punishment, personally.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (KZzsI)

286 NOOD trailer

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 03:53 PM (zr5Kq)

287 Whole lot of blue cities need to remove their corrupt, Soros-paid, DAs.

And Secretaries of State, while we're at it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (KZzsI)

288 Estimated 124,711 died in Tokyo alone.

Posted by: JC. Just JC. at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (377Zs)

289 Easy, unless you are joking. Garrett is not here to return the spike into your faces.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)

That big smiley face at the end of the post should have been a clue. Frankly though I thought it was the obvious ball busting that goes back and forth with garrett's posts that even that wouldn't be necessary.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (oiW2a)

290 The IG report pretty much says they were not bias ( BULLSHIT), only incompetent?

Hell of a report. LOL


PDT oughta announce that since they're all incompetent they're all fired.

I read last week that Betsy DeVos just eliminated 600 (!) positions at the Department of Education, so let's do a lot more of that sort of thing.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (ZGrMX)

291 The idiots moaning about the A bombs never did the math about losses from the firebombing of nearly every other Japanese city *but* Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And we did those multiple times.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (eoQWY)
++++++++++++++
Curtis Lemay made no bones about it. He said something along the lines of "We burned more of those bastards to death on the night of 10th March than in this raid."

American firebombing was so effective and so uncontested that a propaganda campaign near the end of the war was launched where we leafleted Japan.

Each leaflet had a list of 10 cities on one side. On the other side, the text said effectively, "within six months 7 of the cities listed on the reverse side will be destroyed. End the war."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (I2dne)

292 One consistent thing I hear from Army and Marines is
that everyone learns how to sleep in any conditions, any position,
whenever possible. So you just train yourself to nod off when you need
to and wake when you need to, even if its just awful.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 03:43 PM (KZzsI)

_______


I read something months ago about how young RAF pilots during the Battle of Britain were taught body and mind relaxation and meditation techniques in order to get sleep between missions.

The few times I've tried it, it's so mind-boggling imagining what they were facing vs. the problems in my life, that it had the opposite effect of making me even more agitated.

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (HsFkI)

293 The GOP cannot exist with a base fully awakened to the likes of Pee-Air Defecto, the Koch Brother and Paul Singer, etc.

It either goes the way of the Whigs or just gets subsumed by the Democrats. Both will never allow a real party based on the Trump doctrine to ever form if they can help it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (zBaqJ)

That ship has sailed, it is Trump's party now.

The Dems seem to be the one on the breakers.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (eoQWY)

294 What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)

295 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (I2dne)

I've wondered about that. If we'd actually conquered the islands it might have meant the end of them as an independent people.

Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (U7voe)

296 Then there was this I heard earlier this morning. Trump *didn't* have concerns about corruption in the Ukraine *because* Zelensky (a politician) ran on a *platform* of anti-corruption.

Now, my latest thought. Trump worries about corruption in the US despite that he ran on a Drain the Swamp (of Corruption) platform.

So that must inherently mean that they have no worries about Trump being corrupt?

So,

Zelensky's anti-corruption platform => Trump has no actual doubts about Ukraine's corruption anywhere.

Trump ran on DtS and has never said the word "dirt" or "bribe" or "extortion" or "quid pro quo" => Dems have no actual doubts about US corruption anywhere--especially Trump.

Another chapter of Dems-Don't-Argue-Too-Well in the books.

Posted by: Axeman at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (YOhRS)

297 Thank G-d for atomic bombs and blockade.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:44 PM (I2dne)

Yup
I doubt I would be here today if we had invaded Japan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:46 PM (cEsBM)

F-i-L was part of the invasion fleet waiting to go in. He would not allow anyone to criticize the use of the bombs. He knew the odds were slim that he would survive. He also marched through one of the nuked cities a few months after the surrender. His thoughts on the matter were "Better them than me. They started it, we finished it."

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (7zQnd)

298
The idiots moaning about the A bombs never did the math about losses from the firebombing of nearly every other Japanese city *but* Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And we did those multiple times.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:51 PM (eoQWY)







Besides the prospect of casualties during the invasion, I really think that retribution was in order. The Japanese Empire had spent the last 20 years or more engaged in unrestrained savagery so horrifying that it would have made a Nazi death camp guard puke in disgust.

Frankly, the Japan of the 1930s and 1940s got off light with just two nukes.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (kw0bd)

299 The FBI rounding up the miscreants as we speak.

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (bloh/)

300 Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:37 PM (DJFLF)

Easy, unless you are joking. Garrett is not here to return the spike into your faces.


Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)

Yes I was joking but many a truth is said in jest. garrett and I barb at each other from time to time, he knows he's an a-hole and I know I can be um, problematic at times too.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (DJFLF)

301 They need us to admit that we need them, but we don't.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (eoQWY)


Meh - I don't buy into all of that, but I see some of it.

In my day to day interactions, they definitely can't stand their "I think" being replied to with my "I don't fucking care". And that really is how it goes, day to day. But not every day - I live pretty rural. Rural folks ain't always conservatives - there's quite a bit of long haired country boys around here, me included.

But we never forget that an opinion is like an asshole, and a man is always king of his own castle. I don't know what you'd call that political philosophy, but it's pretty much mine.

Been fun, y'all. Later.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (UdYkW)

302 >>I think that both parties will be unrecognizable in another ten years,
if they even still exist. Everyone hates them and everything they stand
for. The Uniparty controls everything for now, but the reaper spares no
one, and as these dessicated old monkey skeletons all meet the cold
embrace of the grave, they will be replaced by hardline communist
radicals and nationalist populists.

Yes - we've got extremist on both ends (left: justice democrats and right: groypers) and they are rubbing salt in the would of the less radicalized in their respective sides over how the uniparty treats them. No one is happy with the DC crowd, except maybe foreign donors (Soros*, Qatar, China, etc.) and some tech billionaires.

*Regarding Soros, he is a foreigner/stateless individual, regardless of him getting US citizenship

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 03:57 PM (bDqIh)

303 Castor's briefcase for the impeachment hearings-

https://tinyurl.com/w8v97dz

Posted by: redridinghood at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (wiXsO)

304 What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)

Because he was under investigation for Russiagate, and then the Special Olympics Council.

They didn't call it an "insurance policy" for nothing.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (eoQWY)

305 And the Japanese might have been destroyed by it. Like "no longer enough of them to have a functioning culture" destroyed.



I suspect it wouldn't have gotten that far. Japan was desperate
beyond belief due to blockade. It is possible that they would have
capitulated fairly quickly after we landed on Honshu. They were very
weak.



But looking at an atomic bomb versus *that* gamble and the scores of
people dying every day due to random fire and operational losses?



No bid. Drop the big one.


Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM


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If we had been forced to invade Japan, there would not be a Country called Japan today. Every man, woman and child was ready to sacrifice themselves to try and take out a US Soldier or even better a tank. They were training daily with sticks, lunge mines and even bricks as weapons.


Our people would have walked into a meat grinder the like they had never seen before and they would have killed any person they saw and leveled entire towns and villages with artillery.


It would have made Genghis Khan look like a piker.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (JUOKG)

306 295 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:50 PM (I2dne)

I've wondered about that. If we'd actually conquered the islands it might have meant the end of them as an independent people.

Posted by: Vanya at December 09, 2019 03:55 PM (U7voe)


If that had happened the Soviets would have landed in the home islands and there would have been another Cold War border to defend, not just in Germany.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (hLRSq)

307 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:40 PM (r+sAi)
ok I see your point.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 03:59 PM (DJFLF)

308 He chose not to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)

Yes, because the IG is going to be on the side of employees, just like HR runs interference for employees all the time in the corporate world.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (I3OPu)

309 >>What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.I think it's a combination of factors, including that he was under attack immediately (think daily leaks of phone calls with foreign leaders, prosecuting some of his people like Flynn, etc.), and he had hired Reince Preibus and some other GOP party people to help him staff. The latter was a fatal mistake, as these guys purposely shafted Trump campaign people and hired uniparty NeverTrumper DC insiders.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (bDqIh)

310 F-i-L was part of the invasion fleet waiting to go in. He would not allow anyone to criticize the use of the bombs. He knew the odds were slim that he would survive. He also marched through one of the nuked cities a few months after the surrender. His thoughts on the matter were "Better them than me. They started it, we finished it."
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (7zQnd

Also it saved a lot of Japanese. They were starting to weaponize the civilians as suicide bombers and if things had gone there like it did on the islands before the troops would have had to kill a large fraction of the civilian population as well until they gave up, or committed suicide.

Perhaps they might have snapped out of it at some point and given in, but experience at that point said losses would be near total.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (eoQWY)

311 If we had been forced to invade Japan, there would not be a Country called Japan today. Every man, woman and child was ready to sacrifice themselves to try and take out a US Soldier or even better a tank. They were training daily with sticks, lunge mines and even bricks as weapons.

Our people would have walked into a meat grinder the like they had never seen before and they would have killed any person they saw and leveled entire towns and villages with artillery.

It would have made Genghis Khan look like a piker.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (JUOKG)
+++++++++++
Maybe. I am not convinced of that. The Japanese army fell like wheat before the thresher when the Soviets invaded Mongolia. Granted, that was an underpowered outpost. The Kuriles, though, may be more telling. The Soviets - who had no experience in contested amphibious landings and basically no appropriate equipment for the same - smashed them there on the their own doorstep. They took heavy losses, but nothing like they assumed they would. This also didn't occur in a vacuum, though, which complicates things. The Soviets took the Kuriles after Hiroshima and before Nagasaki. The Japanese army was in a panic.

By the time Autumn of 1945 rolled around, given the continuing blockade and continuing starvation in the home islands, it is more than possible it would not have been nearly as bad as the forecast indicated.

All things we know now, and it is by no means guaranteed either way. At the time - and in retrospect - the A-bomb was fully justified. We were losing scores of men every day just maintaining positions and operations, and had months more of that to go before we'd be ready for Olympic and Coronet.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (I2dne)

312 What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)

My understanding is because once Obama did it, he and Holder changed the rules prohibiting future adminstrations from doing the same thing. Whether that can hold up to constitutional scrutiny I don't know. But the rule is there.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (I3OPu)

313 299 The FBI rounding up the miscreants as we speak.

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 03:56 PM (bloh/)

I don't think they're going to round up their buddies . . .

Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (CmURZ)

314 If that had happened the Soviets would have landed in the home islands and there would have been another Cold War border to defend, not just in Germany.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 03:58 PM (hLRSq)
++++++++++++
They almost did anyway. Stalin had the opportunity to land on Hokkaido and start conquering them from the north. They had plans to do so and were positioning forces.

I don't know exactly why he stopped. The assumption is he saw our armadas and armies arrayed to the south, and that he wasn't entitled to jack squat beyond the Kuriles per the Yalta agreement, and blinked.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (I2dne)

315 My understanding is because once Obama did it, he and Holder changed the rules prohibiting future adminstrations from doing the same thing. Whether that can hold up to constitutional scrutiny I don't know. But the rule is there.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM (I3OPu)

As Trump has shown, one XO can undo another XO.

I think the insurance policy was the main impediment. Trump was handcuffed until Mueller made his report, and his actions since have shown that he has a lot more freedom now.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:05 PM (eoQWY)

316 What I don't understand is why didn't Trump do what Obama did when he came into power.....fire everyone and start from scratch.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 09, 2019 03:54 PM (/Kt3K)



My understanding is because once Obama did it, he and Holder changed
the rules prohibiting future adminstrations from doing the same thing.
Whether that can hold up to constitutional scrutiny I don't know. But
the rule is there.


Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 04:03 PM

---

Yes obama embedded hundreds of positions in the White House and State that used to be political appointees into the Civil Service system and gave them the protections against firing that go along with that.


We need to go back to the spoils system and let each new Administration fire the entire federal Government and bring in their people.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2019 04:10 PM (JUOKG)

317 I don't think Trump had any idea how to staff 5000 executive branch positions. So he assumed the incumbants would just continue to do their jobs and let them be.

He didn't understand that hundreds if not thousands of those holdovers are arrayed to end his Presidency by any means necessary.

I fear the worst.

Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 04:11 PM (Y274z)

318
Perhaps they might have snapped out of it at some point and given in, but experience at that point said losses would be near total.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 04:01 PM (eoQWY)
***********
This too is the story of Obama.

Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 04:15 PM (Y274z)

319 Apparently Hickman did not report his views on LTC Vindman or his views were disregarded or the Pentagon would not have sent him into the White White House

Posted by: Kurt at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (atSuo)

320 19 Vindman and Kerry seem Mohave the same leadership traits.

I wonder if they play cards together on Tuesdays.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (tT0V4)
****************
Vindman is the catcher.

Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (Y274z)

321 The shit show that is the impeachment hearing is even worse than the prior ones.

Gohmert walked out in disgust.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (Nv4st)

322 The Left is perfectly safe, based on the circular firing squad that's been going on all day here. Nobody wants to punish Comey, but lots of people want to punish MAGA or JackStraw or apparently now garrett.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 03:49 PM (ZGrMX)


I don't know who you're talking about, but it sure as hell isn't me. JackStraw may be wrong, IMO, but he comments in good faith.

I want Comey against a wall. I want 100% of the Dems and 99% of the GOP congress to be arrested today for treason. And I want Scankles to swing from a lamppost at the end of the day.

At this point, if I knew Achmed the Terrorist had a suitcase nuke and needed it delivered to DC, I would happily drive him there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 09, 2019 04:19 PM (Ki5SV)

323 And I hear they can't fire him, either. They're stuck with him.

Posted by: Horton Harris at December 09, 2019 04:23 PM (9IE7O)

324 Re firing of undesirerables that 'can't' be fired.

At McClellan AFB the new base commander had a couple of fossilized (civilian) GS15's that wouldn't retire.

So on a weekend, he used airmen to remove one's office to a generator test cell and the other to the lobby of their building. In their exact entireity.

They retired.

Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (Y274z)

325 Partisanship?
Ace seems to have omitted that LTC Hickman is a big fan of QAnon
To me that indicates the man is a nut case

Posted by: Kurt at December 09, 2019 04:46 PM (atSuo)

326 Honestly, I'm glad you roundeyes didn't nuke Japan into the bronze age. Yeah. I know what you meta nerds are going to say, but still.

Posted by: Godzilla at December 09, 2019 05:06 PM (ldmQR)

327 Wray is pissed:

Asked whether he thought the FBI unfairly targeted the Trump campaign, Wray offered a terse reply: "I do not."

Wray, reacting to the release of the IG report in an interview with ABC News, said that one key takeaway for him was that "the Inspector General did not find political bias or improper motivations impacting the opening of the investigation or the decision to use certain investigative tools during the investigations."

"Including FISA?"

"Including FISA," Wray said

Wray pushed back on the "Deep State" characterization of the bureau's work.

"I think that's the kind of label that's a disservice to the men and women who work at the FBI who I think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rigor, with objectivity, with courage," Wray said. "So that's not a term I would ever use to describe our work force and I think it's an affront to them."

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 06:12 PM (E+oV2)

John Durham: I'm the One With the Prosecutorial Power and the Final Say, IG Obama Holdover



Word is, Barr and Durham are privately "furious" at Obama-appointee Horowitz for pulling a Comey -- mistakes were made, no "intent," case closed.

From the post below:

The omissions -- the deliberate lies and actual fraud perpetrated upon the FISA court -- is "concerning," but none of the rats confessed to having been responsible for the lies, therefore there are no lies, or at least we're going to pretend them away:

We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applications
and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we
did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
part of the case agents who assisted in preparing the applications, or the agents
and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information....

Thanks to artisinal 'ette for that one.


Page xiv of the executive summary more or less says:

"That so many basic and fundamental errors
were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process."

There's more but all that's being done? A fucking audit.

That via alexthechick.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:57 PM




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1 What?

Posted by: Old Dude at December 09, 2019 01:57 PM (LGXGf)

2 indictapalooza... start with some zero dark thiry raids onvernight.

Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (JMDly)

3 Do not believe initial reports. This thing is 400 pages plus, and it's strictly a look at the DOJ. Durham has a much wider view.

Posted by: sparky at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (eFpg9)

4 might as well indict Horowitz for illegal under rug storage.

Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (JMDly)

5 Neither do we.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM (VqhL9)

6 #twoweeks

Posted by: Liberty at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (2BaZC)

7 Oh, let me guess. I've really become quite good at this: "Tick Tock!":

Posted by: Old Dude at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (LGXGf)

8

Alternate Poat Title:

Durham To Horowitz: Not So Fast, Jerkoff

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (sD1Jj)

9 Hmmm. Wasn't it predicted last week that this was going to be said? But I think they claimed it would be Barr that would say it?

Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (CLxlH)

10 Kids in the car: Mom, can we get some Criminal Indictments?

Mom: No, we have Criminal Indictments at home.

Criminal Indictments at home: *this IG report*



guys, it's hard to meme through the grey boxes.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (x2wJm)

11 Top 15?

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (pq7xD)

12 Statements do not rebuke the IG report.

Arrests and prosecutions will.

When will those start?

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (sX1BW)

13 "and in three years, we'll begin making a case that stuff happened a long time ago that everyone forgot about!"
--Durham

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (KZzsI)

14 That's great and all but the IG report hands the Deep State and their media handmaidens 400+ pages of PR spin that no criminal acts occurred.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (NWiLs)

15 10 Kids in the car: Mom, can we get some Criminal Indictments?

Mom: No, we have Criminal Indictments at home.

Criminal Indictments at home: *this IG report*



guys, it's hard to meme through the grey boxes.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 02:00 PM (x2wJm)

Imagine the Horde with memes and gifs.

Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7nTlT)

16 *yawn*

Posted by: Surfperch, preparing to wait another #twoweeks at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (tVQUs)

17 Expecting bureaucrats to investigate themselves thoroughly is like expecting rats to investigate their status as vermin. They think they're great so what conclusion do you expect?

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (RD7QR)

18 So start raiding houses at 4:00am dammit.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (v0R5T)

19 13
"and in three years, we'll begin making a case that stuff happened a long time ago that everyone forgot about!"

--Durham

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (KZzsI)

and oops, statutes of limitations.

Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (JMDly)

20 Then prosecute. Justice has been delayed for far too long. Every official process is designed to delay, deny, lie and cover.

Short-circuit it. Call the grand jury. Find some sleight of hand to call it somewhere in the interior.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (I2dne)

21 John Durham: I'm the One With the Prosecutorial Power



Then fucking act like it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7jTtI)

22 After these IG reports and the way they've been deliberately worded anything Barr and Durham try to prosecute will easily be spun as political retribution.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (CQ3Qb)

23 Imagine the Horde with memes and gifs.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7nTlT)

I've heard rumors that this existed once.

Just like the FBI once existed to serve Americans.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (ayFCE)

24 When does private fury give way to public fury?

When is it enough?

It is sad when rampant corruption and abuse of power are allowed to happen because of decorum.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (ycWCI)

25
"and in three years, we'll begin making a case that stuff happened a long time ago that everyone forgot about!"
--Durham
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:01 PM (KZzsI)

--------

We can look forward to yet another year of forlorn hope about Durham Will Come.

Yeah, right.

This corruption doesn't get fixed by Durham, Barr or anyone else in government. It'll have to be fixed by the people. Or not.

But our government is too deeply criminal at all levels to be repaired this way.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (AzW6q)

26 While I still dream of seeing Comey and McCabe getting 3am storm trooper raids on their house and getting frog marched in front of the awaiting media while still in their PJs --- deep down I know nobody will ever be punished. Barely a slap on the wrist.Policies will be written, more training offered, perhaps even a "I promise to never do that thing in your mouth again", but that will be it. And even with these, nothing will ever change because absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (N39Ws)

27 The DOJ needs to get off its collective ass and do its job.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (0OmEj)

28 But we're all just pants-shitters for, you know, actually noticing what the report says in its own fucking words.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (NWiLs)

29 Any chance Horowitz will be investigated?

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (l3+k2)

30 9 Hmmm. Wasn't it predicted last week that this was going to be said? But I think they claimed it would be Barr that would say it?
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 01:59 PM (CLxlH)

Barr and Durham are working together, as we have always said. It's also been pointed out that the biggest hole in the Horowitz report is that he did not assess the CIA's role in an of this. So, if the CIA made up stuff, and gave it to the FBI, the FBI can say "But we relied on the CIA!" and that would be called "justified" under the standards Horowitz was working on.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (trdmm)

31 John Durham: I'm the One With the Prosecutorial Power



Then fucking act like it.

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A weapon unused is a useless weapon.

Or something to that effect.

Get on with it.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (sX1BW)

32 Imagine the Horde with memes and gifs.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7nTlT)

It would certainly get spammy.

Posted by: Surfperch, preparing to wait another #twoweeks at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (tVQUs)

33 I'm literally typing and deleting

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (G546f)

34 Everything we do and did, we learned at the fee of our hero, Lavrentiy Beria.

Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (gmo/4)

35 feet

Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (gmo/4)

36 we make error. No bias.

Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (gmo/4)

37 21
John Durham: I'm the One With the Prosecutorial Power







Then fucking act like it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7jTtI)
This. x1000

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (N39Ws)

38 22. That is pretty much my reading. Every single indictment (if any) from Durham will be spun as overtly political. Very sad day for the republic.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (JRaU+)

39 Remeber when Bane talked about the poison of false hope?

Posted by: Max Power at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (QCc6B)

40 Can't Horowitz be replaced?

Posted by: Ootenvault at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (CRBuu)

41 There's "furious"

And there is "arrests"

We get the one that does nothing

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (vPKfA)

42 I'm literally typing and deleting
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (G546f)

I've been doing that a lot lately.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (tVQUs)

43 Imagine the Horde with memes and gifs.
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:02 PM (7nTlT)



Once upon a time, we had sparkly text and moving text and hyperlinks and the Horde treated that solemn responsibility as you would expect.

[ you ]

Two weeks! Two week! New comments thingy in two weeks! You're always two weeks awaaaaayy!

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (mf5HN)

44 Start the raiding, arresting, and prosecuting.

If mistakes get made in that process ... so what.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (sX1BW)

45 36 we make error. No bias.
Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (gmo/4)

*chuckles*

That's all right you scamps. Run along and play.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (ycWCI)

46 For the cost of 1,000 9mm 124 grain FMJ, you, too, can keep an ewok in valuerite and shelf repair kits.


Ace is the tip of the spear.


'Tis the season.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (1CjJc)

47 Huge propaganda victory for the Left.

It will allow all the Tech companies to censor any pushback about investigating Trump.

It will now be labeled an OFFICIALLY debunked Conspiracy theory.

So Twitter, Facybook, YouTube... will all be able to censor actual evidence of this conspiracy.

Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (NgKpN)

48 It's -

Schrodinger's America

Either America and America's Justice System are stone cold dead.

Or, America and America's Justice System are not dead.

We don't know until Barr/Durham open a Can O'Righteous Judicial Whup-ass on the malefactors or not.


*sigh*

Political Physics is Ha-a-a-a-a-a-rd!

Posted by: naturalfake at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (9X624)

49 Mollie Hemingway

Massive counterintel investigation against political campaign of
opposing party was started solely on tip from foreign gov't, nothing
else, IG says. W/in days, 4 campaign officials targeted, picked because
they'd been to Russia or talked to Russians. Wow does this look flimsy.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (NVYyb)

50 poop >>>> IG Horowitz

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (G546f)

51 That violent vibration in the earth is our Founders spinning in their graves.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (ptqGC)

52 I think Durham might wait to release his report about this time next year. He wants to see how the elections come out.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (r+sAi)

53
Once upon a time, we had sparkly text and moving text and hyperlinks and the Horde treated that solemn responsibility as you would expect.

[ you ]

Two weeks! Two week! New comments thingy in two weeks! You're always two weeks awaaaaayy!

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (mf5HN)







Heh.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (kw0bd)

54 40
Can't Horowitz be replaced?


Posted by: Ootenvault at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (CRBuu)

LOL!!! Optics?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (CQ3Qb)

55 So they didn't follow known rules for use of fisa but still these very educated in law??? people in the highest cop service in Americans only... No wrongs..

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (ZA8br)

56 Wednesday should prove interesting. The Senate is going to be asking some pointed questions of HorrorWitz.

This will have some effect on the perception of the report.

Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (M+Lyo)

57 "We're as clean as the preacher's sheets!!!"
--FBI

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (N39Ws)

58 I'll start giving a shit about any of this once people start getting arrested. Not a second before.

Because for now, the only conclusion one can (and will) draw is that "The FBI Was Justified".

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (77WPm)

59 There's more but all that's being done? A fucking audit.

That via alexthechick.


yep,

I read this and laughed out loud.

Sooo corporate.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (vEIlU)

60 After these IG reports and the way they've been deliberately worded anything Barr and Durham try to prosecute will easily be spun as political retribution.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans


It will be used by defense attorneys.

"Your honor, my client is not guilty. Even the government's IG found no criminality!"


Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (7jTtI)

61 So this just confirms the post below: whitewash. IG ties Barr and Durham's hands, and these motherfuckers just walk away with Strzok smiles.

Yeah, I think I'm done with politics. This country is so corrupt there really is no going back. Buy guns and ammo.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (AFSld)

62 "Barr and Durham are privately "furious" at Obama-appointee Horowitz for pulling a Comey -- mistakes were made, no "intent," case closed."

What the hell did they expect? What did any of us expect? This is Horowitz, for God's sakes.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (H8QX8)

63 Pretending that there will actually be indictments, would it be a DC jury or can the trials be held anywhere in the US?

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (Izzlo)

64 feet
Posted by: The FBI at December 09, 2019 02:04 PM (gmo/4)

I'm more into hair myself.

Posted by: Joe "Sniffles" Biden at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (tVQUs)

65 >>>>> The omissions -- the deliberate lies and actual fraud perpetrated upon the FISA court -- is "concerning," but none of the rats confessed to having been responsible for the lies, therefore there are no lies, or at least we're going to pretend them away:


A lot of use predicted that is what the I.G. report would say. And then we were told to shut up by a belligerent dick with rose colored glasses.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (CLxlH)

66 I think Durham might wait to release his report about this time next year. He wants to see how the elections come out.

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As I've said, if anything will happen, it will happen in the 2nd term.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (sX1BW)

67 Wednesday should prove interesting. The Senate is going to be asking some pointed questions of HorrorWitz.

This will have some effect on the perception of the report.
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (M+Lyo)

Sez you!
- ABCNBCCBSNPRCNNMSNBCNYTWAPOLAT...

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (77WPm)

68 Stolen from a moron and just getting it in my name field.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -It is illegal for an outsider to win the presidency at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (3rtj0)

69 24 When does private fury give way to public fury?

When is it enough?

It is sad when rampant corruption and abuse of power are allowed to happen because of decorum.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (ycWCI)

The real question is, when does public fury give way to private retaliation? The recent story of the 4 rapists in India is the only way any actual retribution will be handed out in these cases.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (trdmm)

70 Deplorables are cute when they are angry.

Posted by: LOL at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (GcJhb)

71 It isn't necessarily Horowitz, but remember he has 600 lawyers working for him who voted for Obama and Hillary.

Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (3aI0K)

72 Imagine the Horde with memes and gifs.

There's some of that in the Horde group on Gab. But Gab is now all in on the "true conservatives want to ban porn and execute the producers" thing that Matt Welch started, which what the actual fuck?

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (ZGrMX)

73 Techno Fog
@Techno_Fog

8m
"The FBI did not have information corroborating the Steele reporting"

Without corroboration - they lied to the FISC about Steele's credentials and his prior history as an informant.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (vEIlU)

74
But we're all just pants-shitters for, you know, actually noticing what the report says in its own fucking words.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 02:03 PM (NWiLs)

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I'm pretty eeyorish myself when it comes to this stuff. Not as much as some, but definitely more than others.

What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.

I get that people want these things to turn out a certain way, and it can be irritating to be constantly told it won't.

But all things considered, virtually 100% of recent events bear out that position. I understand disagreeing with the assessment, and believing that things are going to turn around, but you can't simply write off that argument in a huff, because it's founded in experience.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (AzW6q)

75 47 So Twitter, Facybook, YouTube... will all be able to censor actual evidence of this conspiracy.
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (NgKpN)

Don't forget payment processors and banks having an excuse to cut you off from the economy.

Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (sm6Pk)

76 Top intelligence cops..we don't really have to do our jobs properly. But g_d forbid you screw up what n
Time you put out your garbage .

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (ZA8br)

77 "Barr and Durham are privately "furious" at Obama-appointee Horowitz for pulling a Comey "

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Wait, these are the guys that are going to take down the deep state coup-ers?

Posted by: Moron Robbie -It is illegal for an outsider to win the presidency at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (3rtj0)

78 This corruption doesn't get fixed by Durham, Barr or anyone else in government. It'll have to be fixed by the people. Or not.

Correct. We the people have been hypotized and trained into waiting for and relying on the government to fix our problems so much so that now we just sit around and gnash our teeth in frustration when big daddy fed dosen't do it.

We have this collection of old John Wayne movies, those old ones before he was a big star. Every single one he's a federal marshall who shows up undercover to save a town that can't help its self and needs the gubmint to do it for them. Propaganda.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:07 PM (KZzsI)

79 Kimberley Strassel
@KimStrassel

34m

Two biggest IG takeaways so far:
--The FBI played the FISA court. The information about what it presented and what it excluded in Page application is damning.
--IG destroys Steele dossier as a work of fantasy.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (vEIlU)

80 Yeah, I think I'm done with politics. This country is so corrupt there really is no going back. Buy guns and ammo.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (AFSld)

[X] - Cartridge Box
But don't abandon [] - Soap Box. Ace needs a new pair of hobo skinners.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (1CjJc)

81 >Remeber when Bane talked about the poison of false hope?

This. This is why ops happen.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (P96+U)

82 Although we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the part of the case agents who assisted in preparing the applications, or the agents and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information


And there it is again. No intent. I guess that's going to be the new standard when Our Betters get caught breaking the law.

*spit*

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (U7qMl)

83 Skip Horowitz' conclusions, and focus instead on his painstaking dissection of the FBI/DOJ process that led to spying on Obama's political opponents.

I think Durham is saying "leave the conclusions to me". And while I hate to sound optimistic, like another JackStraw, I think he is sounding pretty good.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (NVYyb)

84 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.

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I don't remember a time when that wasn't the case here.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (sX1BW)

85 I'm going to be so pissed if one of our trolls get the iD1oT hash.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -It is illegal for an outsider to win the presidency at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (3rtj0)

86 who has the power to shut down the FISA court?

must that be done legislatively?

if ALL that follows from this is that FISA is no longer, I will be moderately happy

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (Rarvo)

87 Ace,

here is actual statement from justice.gov

https://tinyurl.com/qv6mooh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (vEIlU)

88 ... raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process."

The only logical explanation for these many mistakes by all these senior people is that they WERE NOT mistakes. Everyone was working toward the same goal: F*ck Trump

Posted by: FloridaMan at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM (r28kI)

89 Every day that passes, the likelihood of the coup participants getting away with it goes up. Not down, but up.

That's the problem with the logic of "these things take time". Trump doesn't have the luxury of time




Justice delayed is justice denied and all that

Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (mO8tz)

90 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.

Yeah its almost religious zealotry, holding to a position of faith and rage at the heretic.

Look, we get you. We want it all to turn out wonderfully like the end of a movie too. We want to see the big dramatic moment where it all falls apart for the bad guys and justice reigns.

But that's not real life.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (KZzsI)

91 As I've said, if anything will happen, it will happen in the 2nd term.
Posted by: SH


And if Trump loses? This all goes away and the coup was successful.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (7jTtI)

92 As I just saw on the twats:

AG (sic)had to go with either:

(i) we're fucksticks who can't do anything right; or
(ii) we're politically biased fucksticks who can't do anything right.

And he decided to go with (i).

https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1204113212523864064

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (mf5HN)

93 56
Wednesday should prove interesting. The Senate is going to be asking some pointed questions of HorrorWitz.



This will have some effect on the perception of the report.

Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (M+Lyo)


You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (l3+k2)

94 Skip Horowitz' conclusions, and focus instead on his painstaking dissection of the FBI/DOJ process that led to spying on Obama's political opponents.

I think Durham is saying "leave the conclusions to me". And while I hate to sound optimistic, like another JackStraw, I think he is sounding pretty good.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (NVYyb)

so there is something slightly useful in the report ?

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (zr5Kq)

95

This IG report was another shenanigan and malarkey to distract and confuse the voters. Double speak, like Comey and the rest of them.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (vEIlU)

96 -
--
Word is, Barr and Durham are privately "furious" at Obama-appointee Horowitz for pulling a Comey

----------------------

No, no. Bird. Bird is the word.

Posted by: irright at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (pMGkg)

97 Is there anything in the IG report that actually required a year and a half of investigation?

I mean it seems to me this could have been wrapped up in a month or two?

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (bloh/)

98 85 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.

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I don't remember a time when that wasn't the case here.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:09 PM

We've had a handful of those. "Everything's just fine, it's all going to work out great, there's nothing to worry about you fucking stupid pants-shitting eeyore rubes!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (NWiLs)

99 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.

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And the realists are preparing accordingly.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (RU4sa)

100 85 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.


I'm a pessimist who wishes she were an optimist, so I don't feel any hostility, but I think there's a certain amount of self-protection in "attacking" those who present uncomfortable negative information and theories.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (Rarvo)

101 I sort of thought the statement by Barr was rather mild and could easily be taken as a warning things weren't over yet.

Posted by: Blake - Blackberry for the win at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (9V9l3)

102 any of youz remember the 9/11 commission ...??

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (zr5Kq)

103 The IG can't say there was intent or no intent, unless he can prove it. Or unless someone said there was. Because the IG isn't going to be forced to go to court to prove it.


However, Durham can and will. There's a shitload of people Horowitz didn't talk to that Durham can. Based on the information Horowitz was able to get, this is what he got. To assume he got all the information is delusional.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (zVXtJ)

104 NEW: in a rare statement,US Attorney John Durham says:
"Based on the evidence collected to date,&while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the IG that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."

=========

Barr doesn't seem like he's going to take the "decline to prosecute route".

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (q80AH)

105 That's the problem with the logic of "these things take time". Trump doesn't have the luxury of time

The hell with Trump. WE don't have the luxury of time.

Either this is a nation under the rule of law or the rule of men. Which will it be? There's no third way. Either there's justice or there is not, its an absolute toggle.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (KZzsI)

106 Is there anything in the IG report that actually required a year and a half of investigation?

I mean it seems to me this could have been wrapped up in a month or two?
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (bloh/)


And it was purposely incomplete

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (vEIlU)

107 Mollie Hemingway

Massive counterintel investigation against political campaign of
opposing party was started solely on tip from foreign gov't, nothing
else, IG says. W/in days, 4 campaign officials targeted, picked because
they'd been to Russia or talked to Russians. Wow does this look flimsy.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM (NVYyb)


So in other words, the FBI were the ones that got played, fucking idiots

Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (M+Lyo)

108 >>>Ace needs a new pair of hobo skinners.


After this, he'll need them every three months.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (AFSld)

109 "That so many basic and fundamental errors

were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most
sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels
within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be
subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the
FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process.



I know....right!

Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein who did not kill himself at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (ymnmz)

110 ladies and gentlemen, welcome to mexico, enjoy your fucking stay.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (KP5rU)

111 19 13
"and in three years, we'll begin making a case that stuff happened a long time ago that everyone forgot about!"

A long time ago in an administration far, far away.

Posted by: Star Chamber Wars at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Vy7tf)

112 Sessions was going to throw them all in jail. Then the IG Report. Now Barr and Durham. Come on man we are being played. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me 637 times....shame on me.

Nothing will happen and its time everyone start accepting this fact.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (sed5H)

113 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.

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There's a lot of hostility from the pessimists towards the optimists, too.

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo)

114 Word is, Barr and Durham are privately "furious" at Obama-appointee Horowitz for pulling a Comey

I'd like to believe they are smarter than that and knew it was coming.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (KZzsI)

115 And if Trump loses? This all goes away and the coup was successful.

You flipped cause and effect. If Trump loses, it's *because* the coup was successful.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (ZGrMX)

116 It sounds like the IG is powerless before a conspiracy of silence, or even against CYA buck-passing.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (oVJmc)

117 Is there anything in the IG report that actually required a year and a half of investigation?

I mean it seems to me this could have been wrapped up in a month or two?
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (bloh/)

Horowitz had two jobs
1) Clear the FBI of wrongdoing - Accomplished
2) Run-out the clock on anyone doing anything about it - Accomplished, with a big assist from Sessionzzzzz and Mueller

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (77WPm)

118 Barr's statement feels like the perfect complement to the Report -- something strategically intended to mitigate our anger.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (H8QX8)

119 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.

--------------

I don't remember a time when that wasn't the case here.
Posted by: SH



Especially when the optimists realists were just playing the odds.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (7jTtI)

120 And there it is again. No intent. I guess that's going to be the new standard when Our Betters get caught breaking the law.

*spit*
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (U7qMl)

And Trump will be impeached for a perceived intent of an action that never took place.

And this is all happening on the SAME DAMN DAY!

Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (NgKpN)

121 As I've said, if anything will happen, it will happen in the 2nd term.
Posted by: SH


And if Trump loses? This all goes away and the coup was successful.

-------------

Yep.

The question is does prosecuting now help Trump win or hurt.

The Horde would obviously say help.

Those with experience in government are obviously saying, let's wait then we can really go after them.

I'd like to have faith in Barr. I think he is better than most. But he is a creature of government, and I think he will be one that as we get closer to the election will believe he needs to wait until after the election to really proceed further.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (sX1BW)

122 I'm done pissing and moaning about this, I'll keep voting and prepping. The rest is in God's hands.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (prSvo)

123 Hey chavez : )

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (RU4sa)

124 However, Durham can and will. There's a shitload of people Horowitz didn't talk to that Durham can. Based on the information Horowitz was able to get, this is what he got. To assume he got all the information is delusional.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (zVXtJ)


exactly, so this report is irrelevant
but will be used as propaganda, as intended
along with the impeachment hoax
and the media lapdogs, this is all orchestated

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (vEIlU)

125 108 Is there anything in the IG report that actually required a year and a half of investigation?


no, it was clearly slow-walked to a massive degree

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (Rarvo)

126 Trump aint gonna lose. Rushmore im tellin ya.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (yfoZs)

127 Will believe it when I see it Mr Dunham.

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (X+a7J)

128 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.

That's funny, because the last two threads have been wall-to-wall JackStraw bashing. Jack himself has said repeatedly that the IG report was going to be a whitewash.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (ZGrMX)

129 103 any of youz remember the 9/11 commission ...??
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (zr5Kq)

Yes.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (emUSt)

130 4 might as well indict Horowitz for illegal under rug storage.
Posted by: henry at December 09, 2019 01:58 PM

Can we pull a page from the Dem playbook and charge him with obstruction of justice?

Posted by: Grimaldi at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (Cqg4s)

131 Rush now reading from the CTH piece on Ukraine dirty money. If you haven't read it, please do. It's an excellent explanation of why they are all going absolutely bonkers over Trump.

Posted by: Pete Seria at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (7ZQe3)

132
There's a lot of hostility from the pessimists towards the optimists, too.
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo

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True, and I don't really get that either. I really want those guys to be right, I just don't think they are. No need to get pissed at them about it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (AzW6q)

133 If Trump loses? This all goes away .

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (ZA8br)

134 And Trump will be impeached for a perceived intent of an action that never took place.

And this is all happening on the SAME DAMN DAY!
Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (NgKpN)
++++++++++++++++
If it weren't for double standards, there'd be no standards at all.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (I2dne)

135 Barr and Durham are privately "furious"

That's nice. Show me "publicly furious". Illustrations shall include, but not be limited to, charges, trials and convictions.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (i6shs)

136 MUMR sighting!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (7jTtI)

137

Where's the investigation into the ICIG who
CONSPIRED with shiff, vindman, and their
fake whistleblower?

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (e+eX2)

138 Did Horowitz write the conclusion/summary?

If not, who did?

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (l3+k2)

139 I'm done pissing and moaning about this, I'll keep voting and prepping. The rest is in God's hands.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (prSvo)


busy with the holidays over here!
don't let any of this bs get you down!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (vEIlU)

140 Looking forward to investigations of the dem candidates now that we know nothing illegal happened....

Posted by: Wytshus at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (W7Inp)

141 So are Barr and Durham going to do something, or are we supposed to wait another #twoweeks for justice.?

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (V35Xz)

142 There's a lot of hostility from the pessimists towards the optimists, too.
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo)



Look, some of us, by which I do not mean me, as I am a delicate flower of innocent virtue, only know how to present a simulacrum of human emotion as hostility.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (mf5HN)

143 If the 2016 elections were tampered with by the Russians, then Pelosi was falsely elected and should step down as the SOH ???

Posted by: James "Buster" Hymannd at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (qM84C)

144 I shall not be Willowed:
As I've said for quite some time - "Show. Me. The Money". Oops, account looks empty.

Hannity, Soloman, etc. were all-in on this investigation and Justice Come a Callin'. When its actually an inverse of the Russian Collusion scam. With the Russia scam, there was no evidence, but there was massive appearance of investigatory action making it look like there was. When the smoke cleared, there was no evidence. So it was all talk.
Here, there is evidence, mountains of it, however the was no appearance of serious investigation. All done behind the scenes. They gather all the facts (which, unlike Muh Russia, are damning), but since they can't ignore it, they then right it all off as "mistakes were made, judgment call, etc.". Sound familiar (Hillary Clinton's offenses she walked away on due to "no intent" when the investigation SCREAMED intent).

Difference - there is criminality with the FISA/Coup, but its pooh-poohed. Meanwhile, we'll Lynch Trump because he didn't return the Little Engine that Could to his Elementary School Library when he was 7.

All is not lost. Barr's investigation is what really matters, but only a fool refuses to see this Report as what it is - excusing the crime as "discretion" and undermining Barr to cast his criminal investigation as partisan. This is EXACTLY why you don't let the IG go first, spinning his wheels with limited scope, and why you DON'T do this type of investigation in an election year.

Oh, and any QAnon followers, I hope ya know that is a disinformation op itself, designed to keep Trump supporters docile and compliant and to rely on "official investigations" despite appearances to the contrary, until time runs out and statutes of limitations or terms in office expire. Q says to "trust the plan" when there isn't one. Oops, ya found out too late.

As a guy on Twitter posted, the Left doesn't have to "trust the plan" - they just charge, convict and sentence their political opponents. And Giuliani is next.

Expect Hannity, etc. to take a hit on viewers, ala Madcow. No need to
tune in to hear some false hope. I will live life, but be sure to get back to me when
Barr actually perp walks some muthers. Until then, its oral flatulence.

One more legitimate avenue of consequence removed from us. They are running low now.

Oh, and one more thing - since this whitewashes all the Coup's actions as "discretion", well, there's plenty of time for Trump and his DOJ to start making some "discretionary decisions " of their own on each and every Dem candidate (And some Dem Congress critters, I might add).

I'm a big fan of reciprocity.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (i6shs)

145 So, if THIS impeachment doesn't work - what will they be looking into next?

His use of Air Force One to fly to Afghanistan for a Christmas Vacation?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (aJkzG)

146 In all honesty,

If horowitz is going to claim there was no political bias behind the coup attempt, then -

that leaves only one possible motive for the Democrats, and that is that -

they were helping the Russians (the sole source of the Steele dossier info) run a disinformation campaign with the goal of removing a duly elected President of the United States of America.

I believe that falls under treason and insurrection just for starters.

Even if you want to say it's a Ukrainian Disinformation Campaign to etc, et, etc, that's still treason and insurrection.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (9X624)

147 125 I'm done pissing and moaning about this, I'll keep voting and prepping. The rest is in God's hands.
Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (prSvo)

---

This^

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (RU4sa)

148 Reminds me of the Clinton administration; "We ain't crooked, we're just incompetent".

Posted by: timactual at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (pPXFf)

149 125
I'm done pissing and moaning about this, I'll keep voting and prepping. The rest is in God's hands.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (prSvo)

Yep. Focus on what you can control, like supporting those on our side. Ace, for example.

Hit the tip jar.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (1CjJc)

150 115 There's a lot of hostility from the pessimists towards the optimists, too.
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo)

"You fucking stupid Polyanna Left-Wing Sleeper-Agent Troll!"

Something like that?

Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (sm6Pk)

151 Also I've hit the not even pretending to do work for the rest of the year stage so that's nice.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (mf5HN)

152 >>>The hell with Trump. WE don't have the luxury of time.


I wish he'd be more vocal, actually - yes, I know that's absurd to say - but he needs to be attacking the IG report, the coup plotters, the impeachment liars, etc, etc. Hammer them every day on TV, Twitter, whatever. They're already trying to destroy them. Fire back. What are they going to do, impeach him again?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (AFSld)

153 A lot of use predicted that is what the I.G. report would say. And then we were told to shut up by a belligerent dick with rose colored glasses.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 02:06 PM (CLxlH)

Not really necessary Buzzion.

Think it's time for me to take break...

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (cF8AT)

154 108 Is there anything in the IG report that actually required a year and a half of investigation?

I mean it seems to me this could have been wrapped up in a month or two?
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (bloh/)

And it was purposely incomplete
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:11 PM (vEIlU)


------

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (bloh/)

155 Anybody even partially objective could come to the conclusion that this was purposeful political spying by people in the FBI, heads should roll and people should be prosecuted.


Horowitz is part of the deep state.
So warning for the optimists out there, many thought Horowitz was on the up and up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (r+sAi)

156 >>>154 Also I've hit the not even pretending to do work for the rest of the year stage so that's nice.


I hit that back in June, I think.

Posted by: ace at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (PbpT7)

157 Oh reports are they are furious, eh? They must be at least as furious as all those agents that resigned when Hillary wasn't indicted.

Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (3ZQT1)

158 Fear me!

Posted by: Audit at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (ptqGC)

159 So the appeal to the Jury Box is not working?

I'm-a gonna stick with my ammo buying plans then.

If we're not going to have rule of law, I intend to have a leg up on what comes after.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (d1uFV)

160 154
Also I've hit the not even pretending to do work for the rest of the year stage so that's nice.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (mf5HN)

Nice. Merry Trumpmas to you and your family. My pretending has caught up with me and it is crunch time.

Later, all.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (1CjJc)

161 Fox News to Replace Shep Smith With Veteran Anchor Bill Hemmer https://t.co/ered4fheBu

while he is known to interrogate both sides of the aisle, he doesn't have a reputation for contrarianism and outspoken appeals to journalistic integrity that made Smith a hero to critics of Fox News and a villain to much of its audience.

If there's one thing Fox is looking to change with the 3 p.m. hour, it's the ratings. While Smith was widely celebrated outside the network, his hour often came dead last in viewership. Since his departure, ratings for the 3 p.m. hour have spiked.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (FBrfY)

162 That's nice. Show me "publicly furious".

Barr's speech at the Federalist Society last month counts as "publicly furious at the libs". Not in the ways we want to see, of course, but it's a good window into his mind.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (ZGrMX)

163 So the country gets concern trolled by the DOJ.
I find that troubling.

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (FhXTo)

164 67 Wednesday should prove interesting. The Senate is going to be asking some pointed questions of HorrorWitz.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I promise to answer REALLY pointed questions. REALLY pointed, with points.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (r28kI)

165 Can Barr/Durham get Page or Sztrok to flip?
That's the question

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (CEYxb)

166 Somebody else already put it best: wake me when the indictments come.

Posted by: Paolo del Toro at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (pPQeR)

167 smh! good afternoon!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (KP5rU)

168 I'll keep voting and prepping. The rest is in God's hands.

Yep. God is always in charge, and we're always responsible to do the right thing ourselves. Be prepared, and do the right thing, whatever the cost. Leave the results in God's hands.

Heck, its my birthday today, wish I had a tip jar, or at least people would buy my books

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (KZzsI)

169 The Bull will come!

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (0xBFn)

170 That's funny, because the last two threads have been wall-to-wall JackStraw bashing. Jack himself has said repeatedly that the IG report was going to be a whitewash.
Posted by: Ian S.


That's exactly what we've said. So why was there any arguments?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (7jTtI)

171 I didnt think MUMR could get more looney. Live and learn.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (yfoZs)

172 MUMR is back. all is well.

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (zr5Kq)

173
I wish he'd be more vocal, actually - yes, I know that's absurd to say - but he needs to be attacking the IG report, the coup plotters, the impeachment liars, etc, etc. Hammer them every day on TV, Twitter, whatever. They're already trying to destroy them. Fire back. What are they going to do, impeach him again?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:15 PM (AFSld)



I am on record as stating that I want an Oval Office address where Trump gets out the yarn wall and explains all of this while Melania sits in a chair and taps a riding crop in her hand.

Mainly the Melania thing.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (mf5HN)

174 With regards Barr/Durham, whatever dudes.


All you needed was the fully unredacted FISA warrants to show the breadth and width of the coup plot.

These guys know how properly predicated investigations are instigated and conducted.


Their investigatio should have been wrapped in a month.


I mean when are they going to wrap their investigation, the spring of 2020?


This has all become ridiculoaly absurd.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (JveFw)

175 I didn't believe it was possible for me to hate Obama more during his eight year reign of terror.

I was wrong.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (ptqGC)

176 Fuck them all. For those who think Barr and Durham will finally get 'em. Just imagine a court case with Comey, Strzok, Page, Brennan et al. as defendants, that they call in the IG as a defense witness to say there is nothing there. Barr and Durham sucked cock, slow-played their asses because they are so 'thorough' and 'non-partisan.' Go drink a dog's anus.

Posted by: Scomo at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (YrjfA)

177 Who's gonna lead the rebellion?

Posted by: Anyone? at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (vqIkG)

178 51 That violent vibration in the earth is our Founders spinning in their graves.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:05 PM

Maybe we could hook them up to those dynasmo-things and generate green energy!

Posted by: AOC at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (Cqg4s)

179 Oh, come on - I'd put the odds of JackStraw being a disinformation troll somewhere around 0.0%.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)

180 realism is good. pessimism...too close to defeatism for comfort.

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (zr5Kq)

181 [x] Soap Box
[x] Ballot Box
[ ] Jury Box
[ ] Ammo Box

Don't make us go through that whole list, government. Please.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (KZzsI)

182 173 That's exactly what we've said. So why was there any arguments?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (7jTtI)

Because some people badly want to believe that long-time posters are long-con sleeper agents just waiting to go full Soros.

Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (sm6Pk)

183 >>>Word is, Barr and Durham are privately "furious" at Obama-appointee Horowitz for pulling a Comey
=========

Burr and Durham should learn from this. And the lesson is this: simple criticism won't change anything. Dramatic actions are required. Medieval actions.

There needs to be serious punishment, up and down the command levels, to make these lessons stick.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (NVYyb)

184 Oh, and one more thing - since this whitewashes all the Coup's actions as "discretion", well, there's plenty of time for Trump and his DOJ to start making some "discretionary decisions " of their own on each and every Dem candidate (And some Dem Congress critters, I might add).

I'm a big fan of reciprocity.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (i6shs)

Such a thing needs to be done through the bureaucracy. Which leans heavily left. We can't effectively retaliate in that manner. I don't disagree with the idea I'm saying it's not available to us.

Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (7nTlT)

185 I didnt think MUMR could get more looney. Live and learn.

MUMR went full Mitt. You never go full Mitt.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (ZGrMX)

186 And there it is again. No intent. I guess that's going to be the new standard when Our Betters get caught breaking the law.

*spit*
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (U7qMl)


Well, their intent was to get a Grand Slam breakfast at Denny's and all this shiite just happened on its own.

Even the word 'intent' has a new meaning.

Posted by: Caspar Whiteberger at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (1g7ch)

187 Makes me feel a whole lot better

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (6XlcD)

188 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds.

Posted by: Lord Comey at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (2Mnv1)

189
feet


Posted by: The FBI
--
I think 'fee' was correct.

Posted by: FrodoB at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (XiQ9r)

190 Continuing to do my normal over here Boss!

Living my life.
Training.
Teaching kids and grandbabies the way of the horde.
Loving my friends and friends I haven't met.
Praying.

Oh, buying ammo.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (Y4EXg)

191 I am on record as stating that I want an Oval Office
address where Trump gets out the yarn wall and explains all of this
while Melania sits in a chair and taps a riding crop in her hand.



Mainly the Melania thing.





Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:17 PM (mf5HN)


And Barron is seen in the background cleaning a Glock.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (ptqGC)

192 The msm spin will be independent Horowitz said nothing the fbi did was wrong but highly partisan Barr disagrees.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (sed5H)

193 As I said in my willowed comment in the last thread.


None of this surprises me. I've always had a much
darker view of this. History is the guide. Every Concord bridge has a
build up, every bullet ridden mussolini swinging upside down from a
lampost has a buildup, every Ceausescu has a buildup. This is nothing
more than a buildup.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (9Om/r)

194 Anyone else following the hearing today? WTF is going on the last 15-20 minutes with R counsel and Castor? They're babbling.

Posted by: jhawk90 at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (/ZYFC)

195 168
Can Barr/Durham get Page or Sztrok to flip?

That's the question
______


Lisa is always on top ... with a strap-on.

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (Mvvar)

196 >>>I am on record as stating that I want an Oval Office address where Trump gets out the yarn wall and explains all of this while Melania sits in a chair and taps a riding crop in her hand.

Mainly the Melania thing.


Hah, seconded!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (AFSld)

197 182
Oh, come on - I'd put the odds of JackStraw being a disinformation troll somewhere around 0.0%.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)

Odds of him lighting one up right now are greater than that.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (1CjJc)

198 MAGA, from Thursday. WHERE IS IT?

Horowitz is going to take a sledgehammer to the Deep State and there will be massive FBI raids of the perps simultaneous with the release of the report.
Posted by: MAGA at December 05, 2019 08:01 AM (I5LRE)

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (7jTtI)

199 Reminds me of the Clinton administration; We ain't crooked, we're just incompetent



But vote for us. Trust us, we've got this...

Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (mO8tz)

200 I love the "errors were made " We make those "errors" and our butts are in jail

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (6XlcD)

201 Well Wray is happy with the report.

And he has mandated semiannual training!

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (ZfRYq)

202 They successfully played for time. Now they can proceed with impeachment (and yes, I think it will occur). They are basically saying that it will never be possible to elect an outsider because we will destroy him and what's more there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (RD7QR)

203 120 Barr's statement feels like the perfect complement to the Report -- something strategically intended to mitigate our anger.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (H8QX

Got it in one.

Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (3ZQT1)

204 Melania sits in a chair and taps a riding crop in her hand.


steel tip, for reference, and not feather.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (NVYyb)

205 Its not so much people bashing Jack, who I am certain is acting in good -- if misguided -- faith. Its frustration at being told "two weeks!" and then bashed for doubting or questioning this. Don't kick me in the shins for noticing what is going on in front of my face.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (KZzsI)

206 This all sounds EXACTLY like the last report. Funny, that.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (H8QX8)

207 Those who make peaceful change impossible make not-so-peaceful change inevitable.

Stuff some guy said or something...

Posted by: Boots at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (oGBso)

208 I have tried not to be an eeyore throughout this, but I have always winced when I saw anyone say that this report would lead to prosecutions. There is a fundamental unfairness built into our system with respect to *all* government officials; it might sound comical, but it's a serious flaw. If a government official at any level has been found doing something wrong, and he can claim that it was done because of his own ignorance, incompetence, and inability to his job, then it will be dealt with administratively, not criminally. That's how the system is set up, and a Prosecutor has to PROVE that the employee in question knew the Right Thing to Do, and went against if for his own personal motives. He cannot simply allege that, the prosecutor has to PROVE that.

It is always much much easier for the government employee in question to prove that he is an idiot. In fact, it's almost always a slam dunk conclusion.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (trdmm)

209 We're very angry - and we're going to send you a letter telling you how angry we are.

Posted by: The Barr-Durham legal team at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (uGHnY)

210 Anyone here could have written that report in a week. Perfectly find the spirit of Horowitz distinction in that position. Knowing exactly how Horowitz would excuse his team. So he sure secured tax dollars as we know they do.. . reminds me of the 5 guys and one shovel govt jobs. Goes all the way to the top

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (ZA8br)

211 Oh, come on - I'd put the odds of JackStraw being a disinformation troll somewhere around 0.0%.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)

Agreed - he's a hopeless optimist who has way, way too much faith in bureaucrats "doing the right thing". But no way is he a moby or a troll.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (77WPm)

212 Simulacrum vs breast feeding. Discuss.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (Vy7tf)

213 Excellent point by Durham. This isn't some investigation done by a low level Junior G man. This thing ran all the way up the food chain. They were supposedly being extra careful, due to the "sensitive nature" of spying on a major presidential campaign. And still they screwed it up 6 ways to Sunday, and (Surprise!) all of those screwups worked to the detriment of Trump.

If that's not criminal intent, that's only because Brennan, et. al. are the dumbest MFers in the world.

Posted by: Ted K. at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (FJYfm)

214 "Semiannual training": the comfy chair for the 2000s.

Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (3ZQT1)

215 So they're gonna try to impeach Trump for treason.

Huh.

They do love to project, don't they?

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (RU4sa)

216 Anyone read the section about how white hat Rod Rosenstein was running a deep cover sting on the FBI/DOJ?

I was told that was happening and should just wait for it to reveal itself. I suppose, we still need to keep waiting for it.

I'll wait another #twoweeks, but after that I'm going start losing hope in certain people's analytic abilities.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (wAc7x)

217 Who knew that the "X-Files" gave an accurate depiction of the FBI

Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (3aI0K)

218 Man, the fact that Durham felt compelled to make a statement shows just how big a hole this blows in any case they were developing...thanks a lot Horror-witless!

Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (32YRo)

219 they followed FBI procedure .. which is to lie and bury all fraud under a mountain of cutouts and excuses.


This needs a RICO approach, since they all rely on "gee, it was not me, I just depended on info from someone else" ... and the end of that circle jerk points back to the initial guy pointing to the next guy.


RICO (as I understand) puts together the series of "accidents" into a consistent pattern of criminal (sedition/coup in this case) activities. The persistent pattern proves the racketeering .. part of the pattern is observed in the Mueller and Whitaker whitewashing ... the Strzok emails on the insurance against a Trump presidency can't be explained away (except they think they run government, and crippling the POTUS is their highest duty, making them the traitors)

Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (Cus5s)

220 Melania sits in a chair and taps a riding crop in her hand.


steel tip, for reference, and not feather.




Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (NVYyb)

Is she wearing clothes? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (gmo/4)

221 And there it is again. No intent. I guess that's going to be the new standard when Our Betters get caught breaking the law.

*spit*
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:08 PM (U7qM

Yup. Any normal sap working in the Intelligence Agencies does NOT get away with intent. If you mishandle classified info, lack of intent does not get you off.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (r28kI)

222 >MUMR is back. all is well.

No, it's "God's in his heaven, MUMR's shitting on ace's carpet, all's right with the world."

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (P96+U)

223 Anyone else following the hearing today? WTF is going on the last 15-20 minutes with R counsel and Castor? They're babbling.

Posted by: jhawk90 at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (/ZYFC)


Castor is like Ambien. Ugh. Doug Collins was excoriating someone earlier, and that was actually fun.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (ptqGC)

224 Happy birthday Christopher.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (0GvUH)

225 I think you should accept that, Comey perhaps, because he's too fucking stupid to keep his woods wandering mouth shut, but none of the other big guns are going to see the inside of a courtroom behind the defendants table.

Now Storzk and Page, they might be right to be worried.

But I'll be very surprised if even Barr comes up with Brennan, or Clapper, and you can completely forget Clinton and don't even fantasize about Chocolate Jesus.

I'll settle for them being forced to leave Trump the Fluck alone for the remainder of the term.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (DI/ar)

226 Guess I had my hopes up , turns out the FBI and CIA have carte Blanche to investigate the Republican President on the smallest feather evidence. And a ton of bricks evidence on the Democrats will never be investigated.
That's all, I'm out

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (ZCEU2)

227 So moar hair on fire?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (jS35y)

228 They are basically saying that it will never be possible to elect an outsider because we will destroy him and what's more there's nothing you can do to stop it.

That's what they have in mind. Destroy him, destroy anyone who publicly supported him, destroy anyone who donated to him, so there never will be another.

The only question is whether or not Trump is reelected. Even if they do impeach -- which I doubt, but they really are that dumb -- it won't affect the outcome of the election.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (KZzsI)

229 You too, JJ.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (0GvUH)

230 I love the "errors were made " .....



===


that is a conclusion of every single IG or special commission report, I believe

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (zr5Kq)

231 Trying to read actual report in spare time today. Is there ANY reference in the OIG report to the Obama admin unmasking or the Admiral Rogers "whistleblower" actions re abuse of NSA data sets by outside contractors?

Anything on HOW the information obtained by the FBI and DOJ pursuant to FISA warrants was ACTUALLY USED and BY WHOM?

I've said all along, the FISA Warrants (which allow 3 hop surveillance to the FISA Targets) make sense, beyond gambit as an "insurance policy" to hamstring Trump, if Fusion GPS or other Clinton Campaign interests were able to get access to the real time intelligence collected as a result of the FISA Warrants.

Yes, it was an "insurance policy," put the real gold to be mined as a result of the FISA warrants was the intelligence about Trump 2016 campaign strategy. We KNOW that third-party contractors abused the NSA database during the timeframe at issue (per that long heavily redacted FISA Court opinion about abuse of the data sets). WHO WERE THEY? What information do they get?

If THESE questions are not answered for the public, then our country is neither free nor governed by the rule of the law.

WHY did the Obama Admin open Crossfire Hurricane? Am I being told that this was just a routine counterintelligence investigation having nothing to do with affecting the outcome of the 2016 investigation? They did ALL of this, just to investigate if Carter Page, Manafort, Pada and/or Flynn were "Russia Assets"? And, that they USED the FISA intelligence product only for this purpose? We know now, that none of these four in fact did conspire with Russia or were Russia assets. OIG report makes clear today, the FBI and DOJ had ample evidence of this fact (no Russian collusion) all the way back at the beginning of the process. But they CHOSE to ignore it, and to mislead the FISA Court. WHY? Isn't the "WHY" question THE entire question here? Won't the answer to this question drive what should happen now?

So, then, I repeat -- WHY did they open Crossfire Hurricane? Because they wanted to collect real-time intelligence on Team Trump.

WHY? The answer MUST BE that they wanted to USE that intelligence, also in real-time.

HOW and WHY? They wanted to pass the intelligence to Clinton, to help her win the 2016 election.

These government types think we're stupid. The People need to start thinking about how to respond.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (DRgs8)

232 In a speech to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, Turkeys president Recep Tayyip Erdogan slammed Israel and called for Islamic unity among the brothers and sisters to confront the West and conspiracies against Islamic countries. Turkeys ruler insinuated that Turkey was a victim of terrorist attacks because of its principled stance against oppression in Jerusalem.
Ankara claimed it is the lone voice standing up for Palestinians today. Turkey has warm relations with Hamas. The Hamas member Saleh Arouri arrived in Turkey on Sunday. He has been accused of involvement in kidnapping, murder and other forms of terrorism in 2014. Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas also came to Turkey with Arouri and Moussa Abu Marzouk and others as part of a large delegation. Ankara has asked NATO to condemn terrorism but hosts Hamas.

Member of NATO ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (cEsBM)

233 I read Jack's posts in 2016 and prior. He is either incredibly ridiculously straight down the middle unbiased, or a disinformation troll. Spoiler: Not a fan on the Trumper. More a Romney guy.

Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (3ZQT1)

234 >>> Its frustration at being told "two weeks!" and then bashed for doubting or questioning this. Don't kick me in the shins for noticing what is going on in front of my face.


I've been careful to not bash the optimists, but bash the constant disappointment afterward. You can only hope for justice so many times until you simply stop believing. No one involved in this coup will ever be charged, so it's best to move on.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (AFSld)

235 In other news, in case no one has mentioned it, Bill Hemmer to take over Shep's slot. Well, he sure is easier on the eyes. And about 1000 times smarter.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (BLT3V)

236 And just remember, your new ironclad defense is "have no intent" for anything you might do.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (DI/ar)

237 Upthread somebody said it - you need to look at the bigger picture. The FBI was played. The players who played the FBI are now in the crosshairs.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (iMxDC)

238 Its not so much people bashing Jack, who I am certain is acting in good -- if misguided -- faith. Its frustration at being told "two weeks!" and then bashed for doubting or questioning this. Don't kick me in the shins for noticing what is going on in front of my face.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (KZzsI)

Precisely. The Deep State is pissing on our heads and it seems there are still plenty of people on our side who want to try to tell us it's raining.

Perhaps because the alternative - that we are simply not voting, legislating, or lawsuiting our way out of this - is (rightly) too horrifying to contemplate.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (77WPm)

239 It is always much much easier for the government employee in question to prove that he is an idiot. In fact, it's almost always a slam dunk conclusion.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (trdmm)

---

For servicemembers, non-judicial punishments such as Article 15s and Captain masts serve a similar purpose.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (RU4sa)

240 What's Going on With Drudge? Rasmussen Claims 'Matt's Not There Anymore...Word Is He Sold'
https://t.co/NevIAogl9X

"What happened to Drudge?"A lot of people have been asking that question lately. If you talk to conservatives these days, you'll hear that Matt Drudge's eponymous news aggregation site has gone over to the dark side - that Matt's joined the anti-Trump resistance. And now, Rasmussen Reports, an arguably reputable polling operation, is calling Drudge out on Twitter, even suggesting that the site has been sold.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (FBrfY)

241 Democrat Message of 2019

Investigations into Republicans on the flimsiest of falsified pretexts is Patriotism.

Investigations into Democrats even with clear probable cause is Treason.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (T0djb)

242 well, under the lefts' John Doe utopia, perjury and other purely political personal gain options are the real crimes, so I'm sure we're ok with all this,

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (FEQY4)

243 Stupid question, but if 'evidence, but no intent' is a free pass and 'no evidence, but intent' is reason for impeachment then how in the hell is there any rule of law anymore?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (4fdba)

244 241
And just remember, your new ironclad defense is "have no intent" for anything you might do.


Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (DI/ar)

Except for Trump, in which case they call in Ms. Cleo to divine his actual intent.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner, eaten by Sally Struthers at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (1CjJc)

245 Go after them for process crimes, repeatedly and use each material misrepresentation as a separate count. Go after their money, etc. They want to be political, so get political. BTW, haul Horowtitz himself and his IG buddies in a presidential inquiry in FISA misconduct and make them testify under oath (see Iran Contra for example)--look for discrepancies, and then fire their ass when it appears.

There have never been any question about where to find this criminals, just no one has had to guts to go after them using the Chicago way. BTW, fire that former DOJ NSD IC inspector general too as he was in on the whole smear.

Posted by: whig at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (MwILh)

246 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (Zz0t1)

247 I was doubtful that this report would result in anything and Horowitz fanbois were cussing me out.

Now it's like everyone knew this was going to be nothing.

Huh.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (ZfRYq)

248 wanna hear something really depressing? 10 years from now we will look back at 2019 and think of this time as the good old days.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (sed5H)

249 *ponders*

I don't think Jackstraw will be able to toke up too well whilst wearing mittens.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 02:24 PM (mf5HN)

250 AAAAAAAAAAAAND...........

We're all fucked.

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (Zz0t1)

251 Fox News to Replace Shep Smith With Veteran Anchor Bill Hemmer https://t.co/ered4fheBu

while he is known to interrogate both sides of the aisle, he doesn't have a reputation for contrarianism and outspoken appeals to journalistic integrity that made Smith a hero to critics of Fox News and a villain to much of its audience.

If there's one thing Fox is looking to change with the 3 p.m. hour, it's the ratings. While Smith was widely celebrated outside the network, his hour often came dead last in viewership. Since his departure, ratings for the 3 p.m. hour have spiked.
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (FBrfY)




Is Bill gonna start wearing eyeliner and mascara ?

Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (M+Lyo)

252 the republic is gone. we are now an official third world shithole, ruled by despots. take what you cant get while you still can. laws: i,laugh at your fucking laws. after all, i have no intent motherfuckers.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (KP5rU)

253 If they get away with this. How are we to assume anything but elections are a farce? Our own govt agencies used their!!- positions to seedvmisinformation in the media to sway elections and when unsuccessful went further harrassing manipulating planting people to wreck the president and elections

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (ZA8br)

254 This is exactly what I've been suspecting. We have been fed the fake pill of hope. Meanwhile the deep state continues the coup with part I spygate coup covered up and part II impeachment coup ongoing. I see Barr and Durham's statements as nothing more than the ongoing extension of the fake pill of hope to placate us.

Disgusting. Corrupt sobs. We need an army of Sobieskis.

Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (mO8tz)

255 Bill Hemmer to take over Shep's slot. Well, he sure is easier on the eyes

Supposedly Shep was all that and the bee's knees to the blue haired old lady set. Which is most of news broadcasting's demographic these days

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (KZzsI)

256 And of course, as Bongino discusses on his podcast today, yesterday on Retard Chuck Todd's show, Nadler telegraphed the next phase of the Narrative Against Trump:

"If Trump isn't removed at the Senate Impeachment Trial, Trump will steal the election in 2020, because he has a history of participating in unfair elections."

Fuck, I hate these people.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (fp3O8)

257
Look what they are attempting to do to my beloved country.

This must not stand.

I have said all that I'm going to on the subject, you may infer whatever you wish about that, what comes next is going to remain unsaid.

Posted by: Irongrampa at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (KATBx)

258 "That so many basic and fundamental errors
were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process."

There's more but all that's being done? A fucking audit

===

yes, all FBI agents will get a mandatory 5 minute workshop on not harassing republicans with made up evidence, to be sandwiched between their annual week long anti-islamaphobia workshop and their monthly gays-r-great lectures

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (FEQY4)

259 257
If they get away with this. How are we to assume anything but elections
are a farce? Our own govt agencies used their!!- positions to
seedvmisinformation in the media to sway elections and when unsuccessful
went further harrassing manipulating planting people to wreck the
president and elections

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (ZA8br)

Make your lists. Check them twice. Then encrypt them.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (1CjJc)

260 "We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applications

and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct ....."


Wow. This could have been lifted out of a parody done here in the comments.


In context. Was this the first FISA application, and series of renewals, done by these DOJ and FBI personnel? Was there a pattern of these "omissions and inaccuracies" in other applications? For a warrant that gave 2-hop access to ** a f**king presidential campaign**???



How can a spectacular, unprecedented [in significance, and nature] pattern of misconduct be other than intentional, ffs?


At a minimum, Horowitz has fatally discredited himself and maybe even the IG operation itself with this, and the absurd Mid-Year exam report [and recall - AFAWK, that outrage *was* the last word on one of the greatest, completely unpunished, scandals in our history, an Espionage Act crime wave on the 7th floor of State involving the Secretary herself - nobody will likely ever be punished for that].


Durham may well come, but this IG situation [at least for important matters] appears to be a complete trainwreck.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (El6T/)

261 Techno Fog
@Techno_Fog

18m
The Halper (FBI CHS)/Papadopoulos conversations were "conducted by the FBI" and recorded.

"The FISA application did not include the statements Papadopoulos made to his CHS that were in conflict with info included in the FISA application."


*yawn*

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (vEIlU)

262 Yup. Any normal sap working in the Intelligence Agencies does NOT get away with intent. If you mishandle classified info, lack of intent does not get you off.
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (r28kI)

I disagree. I believe highly classified info is grossly mishandled every single day, and unless it's done by someone who someone else has a deep grudge against, it just gets swept under the rug because "everybody does it".

And to answer the obvious question, yes, I believe the vast majority of employees in the FBI and CIA are incompetent overcredentialed pencil pushers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (trdmm)

263 203
I love the "errors were made " We make those "errors" and our butts are in jail

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (6XlcD)
This is what upsets me the most from the events of the past 4 years. I know deep down we all "knew" there were 2 sets of laws - one for them, one for us.. But seeing it so blatantly flaunted in our face is infuriating.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (N39Ws)

264 Simulacrum vs breast feeding. Discuss.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (Vy7tf)

As for me, it's breasts FTW!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (q1Pj5)

265 Techno Fog
@Techno_Fog

2m
The worst accusations against
@carterwpage
- that he was was offered a "bribe" in return for lifting sanctions - turned out to be a Steele lie.

Texts from the "sub-source" never even discussed a bribe.


mistakes were made

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (vEIlU)

266 168
Can Barr/Durham get Page or Sztrok to flip?

That's the question

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 02:16 PM (CEYxb)

Flip on what? This IG report vindicates them.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (CQ3Qb)

267 And of course, as Bongino discusses on his podcast today, yesterday on Retard Chuck Todd's show, Nadler telegraphed the next phase of the Narrative Against Trump:

Why isn't Nadler dead? He's like a waddling, talking ad for high cholesterol.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (ZGrMX)

268 Reap Me.

Posted by: The Whirlwind at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (cGJ7O)

269 Unless Barr and Durham find some clear smoking guns this will likely undermine things to the point that no one will be held accountable. And let's be honest. It would be impossible to get a jury in DC to convict anyone who harmed Trump no matter what the evidence.

We will just have to accept the fact that leftists like Hillary can be allowed to destroy evidence, and have their accomplices given immunity for obvious crimes while our guys are hunted down for non-crimes based on lies. And the GOPe is fine with it.

Posted by: Thatch at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (zW1B4)

270 151
Reminds me of the Clinton administration; "We ain't crooked, we're just incompetent".

Posted by: timactual at December 09, 2019 02:14 PM (pPXFf)

ITS FUNNY CAUSE SOMEONE IN THE FBI PASSED A FISA APPLICATION TO FISC WITH COMPLETE BULLSHIT IN IT FOR THE JUSTIFICATION TO SPY ON THE HIGHEST OFFICE HOLDER IN THE LAND, AND NO BODY DISPUTES THE FACTS OF THE CASE, AND NOBODY IS GOING TO BE PUNISHED AND THE JUDGE DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE AND MANY OF THOSE INVOLVED IN IT ARE PRESIDING OVER AN IMPEACHMENT HEARING.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (ymnmz)

271 John Solomon
@jsolomonReports

2m
IG excoriates FBI conduct in Russia probe, concludes FISA court was misled. AG Barr says report substantiates 'clear abuse of FISA process'


Happy John Solomon.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (vEIlU)

272 "214 Oh, come on - I'd put the odds of JackStraw being a disinformation troll somewhere around 0.0%.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)

Agreed - he's a hopeless optimist who has way, way too much faith in bureaucrats "doing the right thing". But no way is he a moby or a troll."

Agreed on all points. Jack is a wealth of information about procedure and has pored through the relevant documents. His analysis is flawed when he leans on how things are supposed to operate in a democratic republic. The United States no longer is one. If viewed through how a corrupt Banana Empire would handle X, the conclusion is more likely to be correct.

The idea that there would be a disinformation agent sent to AoSHQ, let alone Jack would be the guy, is ludicrous.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)

273 The GOPes in the Senate are letting this happen. I will remember that the next time they ask for my money and vote.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (V35Xz)

274 The FBI didn't 'get played'. The FBI played along.

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (l3+k2)

275 267 This is what upsets me the most from the events of the past 4 years. I know deep down we all "knew" there were 2 sets of laws - one for them, one for us.. But seeing it so blatantly flaunted in our face is infuriating.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (N39Ws)

They're in the "show-off" phase now. They're so entrenched, and win so often, that now they're directly shoving it in your face.

Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (sm6Pk)

276 >>>Why isn't Nadler dead? He's like a waddling, talking ad for high cholesterol.



Lord forgive me, but I wish most of these plotters dead every day now.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (AFSld)

277 [x] Soap Box

[x] Ballot Box

[ ] Jury Box

[ ] Ammo Box



Don't make us go through that whole list, government. Please.
---
forget about the jury box: no one is going to be indicted, let alone arrested and tried, (as if a DC jury would convict) so your only other option is submission to the Deep State and the Uni-party.

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (NYIfp)

278 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.


I'm a pessimist who wishes she were an optimist, so I don't feel any hostility, but I think there's a certain amount of self-protection in "attacking" those who present uncomfortable negative information and theories.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2019 02:10 PM (Rarvo)

I'm pessimistic enough, and not following the comments all that closely but I can imagine a three times daily dose of "look, nothing has happened yet all is lost" can get a little old.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (eoQWY)

279 As for me, it's breasts FTW!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (q1Pj5)



Mmmmmmm.......booobsss......

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (Zz0t1)

280 lolgf Nadler...meanwhile liberals use vote harvesting.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (FEQY4)

281 What's Going on With Drudge? Rasmussen Claims 'Matt's Not There Anymore...Word Is He Sold'

I figured that over a year ago. Someone bought his site and he's not running it at all any longer. The tone shifted completely right after Trump won, and that's not reasonable for someone to suddenly do.

I mean, he might have noticed his hits are plummeting because who wants to go to a 1990s era aggregate site when you can get better info elsewhere, so he decided to go nevertrump foolishly but... I don't think so.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (KZzsI)

282 "Law is meaningless."

That's what these people have been saying since the Obama administration.

Here's the problem: what happens when the hoi polloi comes to believe it, too? Because that may start to happen. For some, it has already begun. For others, it won't begin until they get that speeding ticket, or they see their husband or daughter get railroaded and then compare it to what has been done to (for) our betters.

You don't have to be too tuned-in for the tumblers to fall into place.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (I2dne)

283 273; so, same old, same old. just as everybody said. two tier justice.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (KP5rU)

284 Read Wrays response it will seriously piss you off.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (ZfRYq)

285 271 Why isn't Nadler dead? He's like a waddling, talking ad for high cholesterol.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:27 PM (ZGrMX)

Stem Cells and Child Blood Transfusions.

Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (sm6Pk)

286 257 If they get away with this. How are we to assume anything but elections are a farce? Our own govt agencies used their!!- positions to seedvmisinformation in the media to sway elections and when unsuccessful went further harrassing manipulating planting people to wreck the president and elections

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (ZA8br)

Well interfering with elections isn't new. Valerie Plame under the Bush admin, and I understand the CIA has done similar things under previois Republican presidents. They crossed the line from corrupt factional jockeying to espionage here, though the Clintons may have done so previously with FBI files on their opponents.

Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (7nTlT)

287 Is Bill gonna start wearing eyeliner and mascara ?
Posted by: Ventura Highway at December 09, 2019 02:25 PM (M+Lyo)

Whaddaya mean start?

Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (3ZQT1)

288 Go after them for process crimes, repeatedly and use each material misrepresentation as a separate count. Go after their money, etc. They want to be political, so get political.

There is no judicial or electoral recourse to this corruption. There's only one box remaining. God help us all.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (uGHnY)

289 So why was the report delayed six months? Errors and omissions aren't illegal? Isn't that an act of deception?

Posted by: Concerned People's Front, Unbanned Chapter at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (vGJY7)

290 209
This all sounds EXACTLY like the last report. Funny, that.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:20 PM (H8QX
______


"Past is prelude." -- From my upcoming book [not really] entitled "Wisdom Lost"

Posted by: ShainS at December 09, 2019 02:29 PM (eHhEy)

291 Would Soros really hire some burned out deadhead like Jackstraw as an operative?

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (V35Xz)

292 Don't kick me in the shins for noticing what is going on in front of my face.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Yeah, I was one of those guys who Jack was kind of upset overt when I suggested that a whitewash by the IG now would be the last thing that the Durham investigation wanted - its a defense team's gold mine. It makes Barrs/Durham's job really very tough now. But in Jack's defense, he really truly felt that the IG report wouldn't hurt their case...I think it's devastating, but I think Jack would still disagree.

Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (32YRo)

293 Anyway we knew Horowitz would write a report in this way.
Holding out for Durham. Still not holding my breath.

If all the miscreants are allowed to recover we are in dire shape. . no idea what our realegal options are at that point.

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (ZA8br)

294 I was doubtful that this report would result in anything and Horowitz fanbois were cussing me out.

Now it's like everyone knew this was going to be nothing.

Huh.
Posted by: blaster


Exactly. Who in the hell have I been arguing with? My position have never changed.

I want a body count for the coup/treason. And no one is going to go to jail.


Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (7jTtI)

295 Tom Servo exactly.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (I3OPu)

296 Anyone else following the hearing today? WTF is going on the last 15-20 minutes with R counsel and Castor? They're babbling.



Posted by: jhawk90 at December 09, 2019 02:19 PM (/ZYFC)

Castor is like Ambien. Ugh. Doug Collins was excoriating someone earlier, and that was actually fun.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:22 PM (ptqGC)

The whole day has been staff attorneys examining other staff attorneys, re-summarizing what has been summarized before. Yawn.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (q1Pj5)

297 They're in the "show-off" phase now. They're so entrenched, and win so often, that now they're directly shoving it in your face.

That I think is the most frustrating thing. It so blatant now, they look you straight in the eye, spit on your face, then walk away laughing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (KZzsI)

298 I work in a highly regulated industry (Pharma) and if I make "careless" errors like this I don't just get reprimanded. I'm lucky to end the day employed once they're found out.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (9V81o)

299 Mollie
@MZHemingway

3m
Spying "implicated constitutionally protected activity," but IG says wasn't done "solely" to monitor opposition party's campaign so it's fine. IG remarkably nonplussed, though will admit concern activity could have led to "incidental receipt of sensitive campaign information."


heh
"solely"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (vEIlU)

300
The idea that there would be a disinformation agent sent to AoSHQ, let alone Jack would be the guy, is ludicrous.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)

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Yeah. Not him. Now, the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group maintains operatives on virtually all political message boards, so they've probably sent some around. But I doubt they get much traction here, and roll out fairly quickly. There have been a couple I've been suspicious about. Won't say who, in case I'm wrong.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (AzW6q)

301 I thought there were supposed to be tons of criminal referrals.

Are there any?

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (ZfRYq)

302 Horowitz is a coward.

Posted by: Sam Adams at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (VDbGO)

303 Banana Empire
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)

I am tempted to come up with a more formal definition for this.

Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (7nTlT)

304 "That's great and all but the IG report hands the Deep State and their media handmaidens 400+ pages of PR spin that no criminal acts occurred."

Yeah, we're totally running with it.

Posted by: ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, et al at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (w7KSn)

305 @264

Well you couple together Horowitz's white wash reports and the ICIG working with Schiff to synthesize a whistleblower complaint for the purposes of impeachment and you have all the evidence you need about what the IGs role is in the political firmament.


They are tools of the Deep State.


Like everything else seems to be.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (JveFw)

306 Fgs quit talking smack about Jack. He isn't even here to fight back

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (ZA8br)

307 As I said several weeks back, the plan of impeachment is to fill the airwaves and seed the next four years of investigations when Trump wins again.

Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (3ZQT1)

308 Interestingly enough, while we are analyzing the IG report and watching our blood pressure rise, there still is the shampeachment hearing going on. BB is supposedly doing live updates, but they are far and few between. That hearing must be going as good as us reading this IG report.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (N39Ws)

309 "281 [x] Soap Box

[x] Ballot Box

[ ] Jury Box

[ ] Ammo Box



Don't make us go through that whole list, government. Please.
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forget about the jury box: no one is going to be indicted, let alone arrested and tried, (as if a DC jury would convict) so your only other option is submission to the Deep State and the Uni-party. "

I assumed Christopher meant that in context of nullification. I've been there since Comey whitewashed the Clinton investigation.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (iw59Q)

310 US Attorney Durham objects to IG findings on Russia probe origins in stunning statement https://fxn.ws/2E7tsOV

"I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff," Durham said. "However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S."

Meanwhile, Attorney General William Barr ripped the FBI's "intrusive" investigation after the release of Horowitz's review, saying it was launched based on the "thinnest of suspicions."

"The Inspector General's report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken," Barr said in a statement.

Barr expressed frustration that the FBI continued investigating the Trump campaign, even as "exculpatory" came to the light.

"It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory," Barr said. "Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump's administration."

Barr said the FISA report shows a "clear abuse" of the surveillance process.

"In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source," Barr said.

He added, "The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory. While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector General's report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process."

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (FBrfY)

311 219 Anyone read the section about how white hat Rod Rosenstein was running a deep cover sting on the FBI/DOJ?

I was told that was happening and should just wait for it to reveal itself. I suppose, we still need to keep waiting for it.

I'll wait another #twoweeks, but after that I'm going start losing hope in certain people's analytic abilities.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 09, 2019 02:21 PM (wAc7x)


------

But Barr gave him a going away party!

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (bloh/)

312 Are there any?

Not that I've see.... I like what Durham said but they better wrap their investigation up soon.. Trump is on a fast track to impeachment

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (6XlcD)

313 288 Everything pisses the horde off.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (I3OPu)

314 Looking back, this is playing out like a divorce in family court.
- Mom/wife= Deep State/administrative state
- Dad = Trump/MAGA party
- kids = American citizens

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (gwQ4h)

315 I disagree. I believe highly classified info is grossly mishandled every single day, and unless it's done by someone who someone else has a deep grudge against, it just gets swept under the rug because "everybody does it".

And to answer the obvious question, yes, I believe the vast majority of employees in the FBI and CIA are incompetent overcredentialed pencil pushers.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2019 02:26 PM (trdmm)

Ex Wife was a Chief Petty Officer in the Navy.

Messed up some paperwork on chain of custody for some classified material.

Was essentially kicked out of the Navy (not recommended for re-enlistment).

Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (NgKpN)

316 Waiting for the government to hold itself accountable is like "Waiting for Godot". Surely tomorrow.

Posted by: I Have Questions at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (BvNzB)

317 307 Horowitz is a coward.
Posted by: Sam Adams at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (VDbGO)

Not at all. He's an SDNY donk who worked with Comey and interned with Mueller. He's just dishonest, and pretty brazen about it.

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (U7k5w)

318 What's Going on With Drudge? Rasmussen Claims 'Matt's Not There Anymore...Word Is He Sold'

I figured that over a year ago. Someone bought his site and he's not running it at all any longer. The tone shifted completely right after Trump won, and that's not reasonable for someone to suddenly do.

I mean, he might have noticed his hits are plummeting because who wants to go to a 1990s era aggregate site when you can get better info elsewhere, so he decided to go nevertrump foolishly but... I don't think so.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (KZzsI)



To me, it doesn't matter. He sold his name, he sold his soul. The website carries his name. He didn't announce the sale, let them keep the name. The direction it goes reflects directly on him.

Fuck him. Reap it, whore.

Posted by: Sponge at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (Zz0t1)

319 The essence of the executive summary.

1. Upper-level decision-makers are not guilty because they were uninformed by the lower-level agents.

2. Lower level agents are not guilty because they didn't make the decisions.



...and that, boys and girls, is how deep state magic works.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (qu1px)

320 We will just have to accept the fact that leftists like Hillary can be allowed to destroy evidence, and have their accomplices given immunity for obvious crimes while our guys are hunted down for non-crimes based on lies. And the GOPe is fine with it



I dont think so. The left can delude themselves into thinking that. The millions that MAGA will never accept that and the left knows it. Let's see what they can do about that. We've been given enough examples with California and the cities. Our eyes are open wide: Virginia you first.

Posted by: Floridachick at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (mO8tz)

321 Check out Jeff's [partial, even] recounting of "omissions" etc at @themarketswork.


Then read the IG's conclusion about intentionality. But don't be drinking good booze or red wine with a white shirt when you do.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (El6T/)

322 Fgs quit talking smack about Jack. He isn't even here to fight back
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (ZA8br)

Most of us are defending him.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (77WPm)

323 I work in a highly regulated industry (Pharma) and
if I make "careless" errors like this I don't just get reprimanded. I'm
lucky to end the day employed once they're found out.



Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2019 02:30 PM (9V81o)


Yes, but you're little people. Deplorable. Common clay. You know, a moron!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (q1Pj5)

324 Horowitz is a coward.

Posted by: Sam Adams at December 09, 2019 02:31 PM (VDbGO)
-------------------------------

Was he a friend of Epstein who didn't kill himself?

Posted by: Boots at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (oGBso)

325 Check twitter: Sgt Friday hateable genius.

You may learn a bit.

Posted by: nip at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (Izot6)

326 >>>In context. Was this the first FISA application, and series of renewals, done by these DOJ and FBI personnel? Was there a pattern of these "omissions and inaccuracies" in other applications? For a warrant that gave 2-hop access to ** a f**king presidential campaign**???



It would seem to be a good test - Are they always this 'sloppy' or just when they are dealing with (this) Republicans?

Posted by: Caspar Whiteberger at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (1g7ch)

327 LAMISIL CHANGED MY LIFE
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Ha, ha. MUMR must be a mind-reader because I'm using Lamisil on my aged dad's left foot once a night!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (Dh1wo)

328 not sure where Jack is today, but in fairness, I think he himself said he had more confidence in Barr/Durham than Whitaker. And months back he had doubts of how many big names would face indictment, but thought the exposure of the dirt was vital, even if Hilda/Barry escape.


imo, exposing Obama's guy Whitaker is part of the process ... we have to see if more indictments come out of Ukraine, and if getting this report out of the way indicates they are ready to move into indictment phase ... idk, time will tell, we wait ... but yeah, lots of fake hope put on Whitaker ... now we get more impeachment 24/7 through Christmas ... great.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (Cus5s)

329 Some guy. I had not know That. I guess the VA been needing a smack down longer than I knew

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (ZA8br)

330 They're in the "show-off" phase now. They're so entrenched, and win so often, that now they're directly shoving it in your face.
Posted by: Allie at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (sm6Pk)

Been there for a while. The handling of Fort Hood, Fast and Furious and Benghazi were particularly appalling in their sheer chutzpah. I lived so angry back then. I refuse to do that now.

Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (3ZQT1)

331 FWIW, I don't think JackStraw is a disinfo agent. Had a few others in mind though.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (P96+U)

332 >>> In other news, in case no one has mentioned it, Bill Hemmer to take over Shep's slot. Well, he sure is easier on the eyes. And about 1000 times smarter.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 09, 2019 02:23 PM (BLT3V)<<<



We'll save millions on the makeup budget alone!

**squirt**

Posted by: FOX News accountants at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (yk557)

333 funny how benefit of the doubt always goes one way.

Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (Pg+x7)

334 As I posted previously , we will have competing reports . That may not be as much as a factor on proceeding with criminal prosecution but it does regard to public perception. This will not end well.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (oiW2a)

335 Oh for heaven's sake, people. JackStraw is NOT a troll or a disinformation agent or anything bad like that. He's a guy who is interested in politics and that's that.

I suspect he's not here because he's either working or actually reading the report.

But for gosh sake's, he's a longtime commenter - as in, pretty much from the beginning of this blog - and has lots of good things to say and he's definitely not a troll or disinformation agent!

Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (/669Q)

336 288 Everything pisses the horde off.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (I3OPu)

Okay, now THAT pisses me off!!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (q1Pj5)

337 I assumed Christopher meant that in context of nullification.

Yeah, in this context, jury box doesn't mean prosecution, it means rebellion by the jury -- nullification -- as an expression of the peoples' power against the state. That's why it is where it is in the sequence, an increasing demonstration of the rage of the citizens against their government.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (KZzsI)

338 324 The essence of the executive summary.

1. Upper-level decision-makers are not guilty because they were uninformed by the lower-level agents.

2. Lower level agents are not guilty because they didn't make the decisions.



...and that, boys and girls, is how deep state magic works.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (qu1px)

Any bureaucracy really. The cover up effort is not so surprising, or even offensive, as the attempt to overthrow the President.

Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (7nTlT)

339 Ya know... I'm beginning to think the only way to get through all this nonsense is a steady diet of booze and pron.
SFSG


Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (u6xw0)

340 - Mom/wife= Deep State/administrative state
- Dad = Trump/MAGA party
- kids = American citizens
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (gwQ4h)

More like:

Parents = Deep State
Rich Eccentric Uncle = Trump
kids = American citizens

We'll need to prove the parents unfit.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:36 PM (H8QX8)

341 >>>In context. Was this the first FISA application, and series of renewals, done by these DOJ and FBI personnel? Was there a pattern of these "omissions and inaccuracies" in other applications? For a warrant that gave 2-hop access to ** a f**king presidential campaign**???



It would seem to be a good test - Are they always this 'sloppy' or just when they are dealing with (this) Republicans?
Posted by: Caspar Whiteberger at December 09, 2019 02:34 PM (1g7ch)

I'm sure there are leftists that they have axes to grind for as well as Republicans, and that they fuck up by accident as well and fudge the results.

People are People.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:36 PM (eoQWY)

342 114 Sessions was going to throw them all in jail.

Come in, man. If you really believe that I have a bridge you might be interested in.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2019 02:36 PM (U7qMl)

343 The idea that there would be a disinformation agent sent to AoSHQ, let alone Jack would be the guy, is ludicrous.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)

Maybe Jack Straw just thinks people will do the honest and right thing. I think they will do what suits their purposes no matter how much they have to bend reality. Yes, there are some honest people, but Horowitz' work has always been like this. I did not expect him to change, especially when the stakes were high for his Obamunist teammates.

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:36 PM (U7k5w)

344 Everything pisses the horde off.
Posted by: Jen the original


Not everything.
But unpunished crimes bordering on treason does.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (7jTtI)

345 Horowitz

that sucker needs to be drum outta the pond

Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (rpxSz)

346 To me, it doesn't matter. He sold his name, he sold his soul. The website carries his name. He didn't announce the sale, let them keep the name

Well I don't KNOW he sold it, so I was trying to consider two possibilities:

1) He did sell
2) he didn't sell and went NT to try to boost numbers

I'm inclined to believe #1. But as a homosexual man, sometimes they will react very oddly to political changes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (KZzsI)

347 I miss Jackstraw today....

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (6XlcD)

348 Frkn phone

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (PZkLm)

349 336 But for gosh sake's, he's a longtime commenter - as in, pretty much from the beginning of this blog - and has lots of good things to say and he's definitely not a troll or disinformation agent!
Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (/669Q)

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But people are putting words in his mouth, so that means he's a troll.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (q80AH)

350 Fgs quit talking smack about Jack. He isn't even here to fight back

Posted by: willow

Its not Jack's fault the IG report is complete mess - no one to blame but Horrowitz. He's a complete putz. But that was known.

Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (32YRo)

351 340 Ya know... I'm beginning to think the only way to get through all this nonsense is a steady diet of booze and pron.
SFSG


Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (u6xw0)

Strongly endorsed. It's not what's right for you, it's what will get you through.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (RD7QR)

352 When all the "errors" go in one direction the gubmint has no problem inferring intent and sending you to PMITA prison (for taxes, gun reg violations, inaccurate testimony, etc etc etc)

At this point I have got well past hot anger and into a cold fury.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (koNhm)

353 346 Horowitz

that sucker needs to be drum outta the pond
Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (rpxSz)

Another Obama appointee that should have been dismissed. Thanks, Jeff Sessions.

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (U7k5w)

354 348 I miss Jackstraw today....
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (6XlcD)

========

We're need to scour the entirety of Rhode Island to find him.

Should take...30 minutes or so.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (q80AH)

355 341 288 Everything pisses the horde off.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 02:32 PM (I3OPu)

Okay, now THAT pisses me off!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (q1Pj5)

Tis better to be pissed off, then pissed on.

Shit Petty Officer Romeo13 said.

Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (NgKpN)

356 As I posted previously , we will have competing reports . That may not be as much as a factor on proceeding with criminal prosecution but it does regard to public perception. This will not end well.
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 02:35 PM (oiW2a)

We don't really need competing reports, we can just use this one. There's plenty of wrongdoing in there, and there's no need to accept the 'no harm no foul couldn't be helped' line.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (eoQWY)

357 Barr, channeling My Cousin Vinnie: "Everything Horowitz said is bullshit. Thank you"

Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (G0vdT)

358 130 What I don't get is the complete hostility from some of the optimists toward some of the pessimists.

That's funny, because the last two threads have been wall-to-wall JackStraw bashing. Jack himself has said repeatedly that the IG report was going to be a whitewash.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (ZGrMX)



Well I think the hostility directed towards Jack would be better directed at the one or two that really seemed like they wanted to sniff his jock that anytime he gave an optimistic view went attacking anyone didn't want to wear rose colored glasses.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (CLxlH)

359 I read the full summary and the final recos; my brain hurts, and so does my ass. And so re Horowitz --

Fuck that guy in particular.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (Z4rgH)

360 JackStraw is a straight shooter, er, I mean, toker.

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (l3+k2)

361
Frank Drebin Horowitz: Nothing to see here. Move along.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (Un9AW)

362 I dropped some mushrooms and had a vision that Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigeg and Bernie Sanders had an orgy with 5 million Cub Scouts. So if I send this to the FBI, they can get a FISA warrant on this without checking it out? Cool!

Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (TlQrr)

363 The essence of the executive summary.

1. Upper-level decision-makers are not guilty because they were uninformed by the lower-level agents.

2. Lower level agents are not guilty because they didn't make the decisions.

...and that, boys and girls, is how deep state magic works.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (qu1px)
+++++++++++++
It's lousy magic. Not even a three-year-old at a birthday party would find the effect compelling.

But yes, this seems to be a nice summary.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (I2dne)

364 What happened to jack straw?

Posted by: John McCains aneurysms at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (dK4Ur)

365 Tis better to be pissed off, then pissed on.



Shit Petty Officer Romeo13 said.

Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (NgKpN)

Twenty bucks, same as in town.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (q1Pj5)

366 Yeah Jack isn't the one who makes sneering, contemptuous attacks on people for daring to mistrust the government or DOJ. He's just too trusting in the system, like Sessions was.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (KZzsI)

367 So Top. Men. Are in charge.

And by Top. Men they mean otters.

We are being ruled by a cabal of otters.

Posted by: Just Lily at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (pbyBh)

368 What happened to jack straw?
Posted by: John McCains aneurysms at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (dK4Ur)
+++++++++++++
I assume he's working or reading the report.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (I2dne)

369 to the commenter who said this is a huge propaganda victory for the left, that they can call the objections a conspiracy theory, that the techs can now censor discussion on social media...

yes.

Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (Pg+x7)

370 *are we getting close to flamewar ? because I miss those...

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (zr5Kq)

371 Its not Jack's fault the IG report is complete mess - no one to blame but Horrowitz. He's a complete putz. But that was known.
Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:38 PM (32YRo)

Not by the Epoch Times guy who loved him so. He, with his "Soon" nonsense, did a loving tribute to Horowitz and Sessions just last evening.
I don't think that even he traffics in disinformation, just wish casting and fan fiction. He is a Western fiction "writer" and his work came complete with the guys in white hats.

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (U7k5w)

372 Boswell and I don't remember Jack being impressed with Horowitz anyway. More hope for Barr. Anyway we all have opinions . and

Some of You can be wrong.

Lol

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (PZkLm)

373 367 Yeah Jack isn't the one who makes sneering, contemptuous attacks on people for daring to mistrust the government or DOJ. He's just too trusting in the system, like Sessions was.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (KZzsI)

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He's not trusting of the system. He's trusting of Trump and, by extension, Barr.

Trump's assertion that they've caught the swamp is the sort of thing that he clings to. "Trump is happy about the state of things, and he knows more about this stuff than any of us. Patience."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (q80AH)

374 I guess the only thing that really bothers me about the report is this 'consensus' that the IG Report has to come first before a real investigation can begin. I don't think Barr and Durham are on board with that consensus though.

It does bother me that Horowhatz did not fact check his own ass by when writing everything off as 'errors' by pulling a random sample of work done by the same actors and checking their typical accuracy. That is what is done in audits, no?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (1g7ch)

375 Durham will be made to recuse himself for speaking out about the IG report.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (nNEyX)

376 365 What happened to jack straw?


Jack Straw is Carlos

Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (rpxSz)

377 If Drudge took the money and ran with it, there are probably requirements built into the sale that state that Drudge himself can't publicly acknowledge that his namesake is now owned by others.

It's IP value is in Drudge himself. If he really did sell, and that gets out, somebody overpaid.

Posted by: Boots at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (oGBso)

378 What happened to jack straw?

Well the man does have a job, and honestly I wouldn't blame him for avoiding these threads for now.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (KZzsI)

379 368 So Top. Men. Are in charge.

And by Top. Men they mean otters.

We are being ruled by a cabal of otters.

Posted by: Just Lily at December 09, 2019 02:40 PM (pbyBh)

Really more of an anarcho syndicalistic commune of otters.

Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (7nTlT)

380 Is there deep state in FBI? Yes. But that doesn't mean the FBI wasn't weaponized by bigger fish. Look at the big picture IC leadership implications now that this report is out. That's where the focus will now shift.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (iMxDC)

381 Does that mean no executions this week?

Just some more Jefcides.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (jKBVK)

382 There's a lot of hostility from the pessimists towards the optimists, too.
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:12 PM (Izzlo

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True, and I don't really get that either. I really want those guys to be right, I just don't think they are. No need to get pissed at them about it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:13 PM (AzW6q)


All non trolls here love the country and are pissed off at how it's been subverted, including by the GOP so called saviors. Taking down the derp state isn't a quick opp and people here are frustrated by the slow pace; and take out their frustration on their erstwhile allies.

None of this is surprising.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)

383 Runner flame war?
Ok I am rather chilly today..

Your dad wears ugly pink stilletos

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (PZkLm)

384 Have to say, if I was Jack, I'd avoid this place like the plague right now.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (aJkzG)

385 What's this about OANN and Graham/McCain money laundering?

Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (CmURZ)

386 Some of You can be wrong.

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But some of us are right.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (sX1BW)

387 383
None of this is surprising.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)

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*peeks around the corner*
-Otter

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (q80AH)

388 horowitz is a useless, slimey, sucker of deep state cock. also, loves the cock. we are really a lawless society. plan accordingly. i have no intent.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (KP5rU)

389 JackStraw, unlike JackAss davidt, is probably gathering facts before opining.

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (l3+k2)

390 "308 Banana Empire
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)

I am tempted to come up with a more formal definition for this."

Please do. I cribbed it from lunatic comments on whackjob websites, but despite the sources thought it funny. In recent years I decided it was accurate, but it can be improved.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (iw59Q)

391 Really more of an anarcho syndicalistic commune of otters.


Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (7nTlT)

Weekly rotations of leadership? I'm in.

Posted by: Peasant Dennis Otter at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (q1Pj5)

392 To me, it doesn't matter. He sold his name, he sold his soul. The website carries his name. He didn't announce the sale, let them keep the name

Well I don't KNOW he sold it, so I was trying to consider two possibilities:

1) He did sell
2) he didn't sell and went NT to try to boost numbers

I'm inclined to believe #1. But as a homosexual man, sometimes they will react very oddly to political changes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:37 PM (KZzsI)

Even some of the original NT crowd found reasons to come back into the fold as time went on - Beck, say, and some GOPers like Cruz. And after the election seems like an odd time to do the flipping based on some ideological transgression. What would that have been? Jerusalem or Abortion support? Dissing the Academy Awards?

If you were independently thinking of it as a business decision it would be hard to justify flipping after the election and then not flipping back once the loss of views and fans started to kick in.

If it is a backer's policy, well, just keep on plugging for your paycheck.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (eoQWY)

393 I wonder what the NeverTrumpers are up to?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (ptqGC)

394 Upon opening the IG report:

"My God, its full of assh*les".

Posted by: Maj. Tom at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (3+bkj)

395 You know, if it were not Trump who was railroaded like this, but a minority, or a leftist politician, the press would be apoplectic with rage and calling this report a whitewash.

If this is allowed to stand it will be a very bad precedent where pretty much anything goes as long as those abusing their powers don't put in writing that they are abusing their powers.

Posted by: Thatch at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (zW1B4)

396 377 365 What happened to jack straw?


Jack Straw is Carlos
Posted by: REDACTED at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (rpxSz)

Straw is Einhorn. Einhorn is Straw!

Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (G0vdT)

397 Surprise Level: 0

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (GPz65)

398 Captain hate ..right!

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (iVmfy)

399 horowitz is a useless, slimey, sucker of deep state cock. also, loves the cock. we are really a lawless society. plan accordingly. i have no intent.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (KP5rU)

Not quite lawless - in fact we have several sets of laws!

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (eoQWY)

400 Run. Runner!

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (gmo/4)

401
late to thread, but in other words --

There's no one to watch the watchmen.

Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (M9ntN)

402 394
I wonder what the NeverTrumpers are up to?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (ptqGC)
A little drinking, a little dancing, a little prepping the wife for the cuckery.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (aJkzG)

403 Jeebus, do go check out Jeff's litany of abuses in the application process [@themarketswork].


Then read the IG conclusion about inability to document the behavior was "intentional".


I assume Durham has info from outside DOJ that will bear on the issue. But the IG's ridiculous straddle about gross abuses from horizon to horizon, and yet doubts about whether they were intentional, really should be the kill-shot for him, and/or the IG system itself.


Yeah yeah we just print zillions of $$$ to cover guvamint budgets [and it's no longer even a topic, much less an issue, in the political arena], but the IG budget looks like a source for savings.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (El6T/)

404 Oh, good. MUMR's here.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (ptqGC)

405 I would add this footnote to the IG report conclusion that "we find no evidence of bias" in the actions of the FBI. 1)



1. Of course we were careful not to look for any such evidence - nor could we tell you what such evidence look like if we did accidentally stumble across any. Nobody at the FBI is stupid enough to actually admit to biased activity. So even when Stzrok said in an email "We'll stop him" we deduced that meant a traffic stop looking for smelly Wallmart voters being smuggled into the country - which is certainly a matter for predicated Bureau investigation.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (mdsFe)

406 The Deep state protects its own.

Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (G0vdT)

407 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (q80AH)

It was always: the honest, hard-working rank and file will never stand for this, you'll see! Sessions isn't sleepy, he is making unseen moves that will soon bring results.

That is absolute trust in the system.

Posted by: Sjg at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (gDSJf)

408 SH. I just want America to survive these mfkrs

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (iVmfy)

409 Move capital to a state.

Last life I made bumper stickers.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (jKBVK)

410 I wonder what the NeverTrumpers are up to?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (ptqGC)
++++++++++++++
Same as the rest of the elite, I reckon.

They're conferring with each other about whether to:
1) Crow about how there was no wrongdoing and that the FBI just needs to tighten up some of its loose shit
2) Acknowledge the wrongdoing in the main report and try to cover for the state
3) Ignore it after some snarky commentary about conspiracy theories.

Of those, I suspect it is #1 or #3.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (I2dne)

411 408 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:41 PM (q80AH)

It was always: the honest, hard-working rank and file will never stand for this, you'll see! Sessions isn't sleepy, he is making unseen moves that will soon bring results.

That is absolute trust in the system.
Posted by: Sjg at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (gDSJf)

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It's also not what JackStraw says.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (q80AH)

412 If Drudge took the money and ran with it, there are probably requirements built into the sale that state that Drudge himself can't publicly acknowledge that his namesake is now owned by others.

It's IP value is in Drudge himself. If he really did sell, and that gets out, somebody overpaid.

Posted by: Boots at December 09, 2019 02:42 PM (oGBso)


I suspect the real matt drudge is already out there making money under another name.

He was constantly being attacked and he warned us that he was afraid he would be destroyed and that his site would not last much longer, etc. He was under constant legal assault. We can all appreciate that.

If he decided to play games - so be it.

It's his life.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (vEIlU)

413 SH. I just want America to survive these mfkrs
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (iVmfy)
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Me too, willow. Me too.

Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (/669Q)

414 So Barr and Durham are "furious" about Horowitz and his fraudulent IG Report.

I call BS on both Barr and Durham. They are both integral parts of the same corruption machine.

They are faking just like everyone else is.

Posted by: Erik at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (R6qYB)

415 All non trolls here love the country and are pissed off at how it's been subverted, including by the GOP so called saviors. Taking down the derp state isn't a quick opp and people here are frustrated by the slow pace; and take out their frustration on their erstwhile allies.

None of this is surprising.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)

Sure, but that is what the proverbial dog or cat to kick is for. And certainly here you can vent to your hearts content on this or that crap politico or kleptocrat without causing offense.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (eoQWY)

416 what the fuck did jack straw do? he didn't write that bucket of shit.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (KP5rU)

417 At this point we're like Bart Simpson trapped at Kamp Krusty with our tormenters: just rocking back and forth, clutching a tattered copy of the Constitution and muttering "indictments are coming...indictments are coming...."

Posted by: I Have Questions at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (BvNzB)

418 Say, come to think of it...Jack is/was an optimistic fella.






Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (u6xw0)

419 Oh, good. MUMR's here.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (ptqGC)


always makes me laugh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (vEIlU)

420 Hey Zoe Lofgren, 4 Americans died while aid was withheld to the embassy in Benghazi. Eat Me!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (q1Pj5)

421

Has Getcha Pull-my-finger come in and spiked the football on how great the IG report is yet?

Posted by: StefanH at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (X4HjY)

422 If this is allowed to stand it will be a very bad precedent where pretty much anything goes as long as those abusing their powers don't put in writing that they are abusing their powers.
Posted by: Thatch at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (zW1B4)

Heh - it's cute how you seem to think that Republicans would be in any way able to take advantage of this "precedent".

Hell, the current Republican POTUS is about to be impeached simply for asking someone to investigate something a Democrat politician was drunk-bragging about in an open forum. And for, wait for it, TREASON.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (77WPm)

423 'Sports Illustrated' Names Trump Critic Megan Rapinoe 'Sportsperson of the Year' http://bit.ly/2P5Hkja

Evidently they failed to learn from October:

Sports Illustrated shaken by major layoffs and massive reorganization https://tinyurl.com/yy6jvzz8

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at December 09, 2019 02:48 PM (FBrfY)

424 Sure, but that is what the proverbial dog or cat to kick is for. And certainly here you can vent to your hearts content on this or that crap politico or kleptocrat without causing offense.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (eoQWY)
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You must be new here.

Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (/669Q)

425 You see they named the operation "Crossfire Hurricane" not "Take Out Trump."
So of course no reasonable Inspector could infer malign intent.

Posted by: Mr Magoo, IG at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (koNhm)

426 So I got a presale notice from Ticketmaster to see Pee Wee Herman live on stage. Not sure if I want to see Pee Wee Herman in a theater...

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (Izzlo)

427 New England >> Manhattan >> Rhode Island

For clam chowders

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (CEYxb)

428 None of this is surprising.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)

**
Jack! Is that you?!


Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (u6xw0)

429 This has got to be cleaned up.
Who do they think is going to pay taxes, serve on juries, or sign up for military service if this stands?
Not me or mine.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (w7KSn)

430 Are people confusing JackStraw with that other complete douchebag that jumped on Jack's coattails a few months ago and been riding ever since? He seems to have vanished about an hour ago.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (CQ3Qb)

431 There's no one to watch the watchmen.
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (M9ntN)


If we've learned anything, we've learned that the nature of Man can't be limited by laws. The Founders were wrong - nobody is bound by the chains of Constitution. That's quite literally not how any of this works.

This will only be fixed by a re-division of the balance of power. And that's not going to be pretty or painless.


Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (UdYkW)

432 Barr really ripps the IG a new one.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (cEsBM)

433 Not sure if I want to see Pee Wee Herman in a theater...

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (Izzlo)

The jokes write themselves.

Posted by: dananjcon at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (u6xw0)

434 What's Going on With Drudge? Rasmussen Claims 'Matt's Not There Anymore...Word Is He Sold'

I figured that over a year ago. Someone bought his site and he's not running it at all any longer. The tone shifted completely right after Trump won, and that's not reasonable for someone to suddenly do.

I mean, he might have noticed his hits are plummeting because who wants to go to a 1990s era aggregate site when you can get better info elsewhere, so he decided to go nevertrump foolishly but... I don't think so.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (KZzsI)



To me, it doesn't matter. He sold his name, he sold his soul. The website carries his name. He didn't announce the sale, let them keep the name. The direction it goes reflects directly on him.

Fuck him. Reap it, whore.
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He got Google Money. That's who is ruling it now. He's still got an interest in it, but he's not calling the shots anymore. Actually, I think it was a combination of the carrot and the stick. The offered him ridiculous money, then dropped an oppo research file on him. He decided to take the money.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (7P7NR)

435 SH. I just want America to survive these mfkrs

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I actually have a lot more faith in Americans than others do.

It may take a while, but eventually we usually get things right.

With that being said, I'm also realistic enough to realize that things never continue forever.

But its not just wanting your country to survive. You want it to survive in a way that matters to you.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (sX1BW)

436 New England >> Manhattan >> Rhode Island

For clam chowders
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (CEYxb)
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Soooo close. Manhattan and RI need to switch places.

Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (/669Q)

437 The whole thing was retarded.

Hey the deep state may have abused their powers, let's use agents of the deep state to investigate that!

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 02:50 PM (+dsLj)

438 If Drudge took the money and ran with it, there are probably requirements built into the sale that state that Drudge himself can't publicly acknowledge that his namesake is now owned by others.

That's almost certain that there's an NDA involved. But Drudge traffic was down by tens of millions over the last two years or so, which means people can tell there's a difference. And now there are multiple competitors coming out (Dan Bongino's and at least one other one), so the blood's obviously in the water.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (ZGrMX)

439 I think we've all learned a valuable lesson here.

Posted by: IG Horowitz at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (88+cf)

440 Has Getcha Pull-my-finger come in and spiked the football on how great the IG report is yet?
Posted by: StefanH


No. And MAGA has totally ignored what they wrote Thursday morning.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (7jTtI)

441 320
The essence of the executive summary.



1. Upper-level decision-makers are not guilty because they were uninformed by the lower-level agents.



2. Lower level agents are not guilty because they didn't make the decisions.







...and that, boys and girls, is how deep state magic works.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:33 PM (qu1px)


3. A group of peepo came to a consensus and therefore no bias or criminal intent was present.

Posted by: FBI Suits at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (ymnmz)

442 There's no one to watch the watchmen.
Posted by: December 2028 at December 09, 2019 02:45 PM (M9ntN)

It wasn't that great of a movie. Way too many blue wangs to boobs ratio.

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (Izzlo)

443 I assume they named the op, "Crossfire Hurricane," because Trump uses, "You Can't Always Get What You Want," on the campaign trail.

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (l3+k2)

444 431: The one that liked to name call and use lots of profanity if you questioned the integrity of Horowitz?

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (U7k5w)

445 *are we getting close to flamewar ? because I miss those...


Of course you do, you festering ass-boil.

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (cGJ7O)

446 Not a big fan of clams. Is there a shrimp chowder?

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (gmo/4)

447 Famous male receptacle Lisa Page is on Twitter claiming vindication now.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (sLFUK)

448 Barr really ripps the IG a new one.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (cEsBM)

If only he had the power to, maybe, relieve said IG of his duties.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (77WPm)

449 440
I think we've all learned a valuable lesson here.


Posted by: IG Horowitz at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (88+cf)
How dare you! You have stolen my adulthood!

Posted by: Greta Thunepeak at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (aJkzG)

450 Well, we have the whitewash we were afraid of.
Will Barr come thru and at least charge the shit stains?
Someone needs to burn for this.
(Goes back to building ARs and general gun stuff)

Posted by: SuberE at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (EPXLU)

451 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


This is the funniest thing I have ever seen. It never gets old.

Posted by: Lucy Van Pelt at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (ymnmz)

452 I heard somebody should be sweating now.

I want to see sweating on TV now.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (jKBVK)

453 Someone should ask these staffers if Schiff knows who the Whistle-CIA Guy is.

Posted by: Epstein Will Feel Better After His Nap at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (g5UVy)

454 "The supervisor memorialized the results of the briefing in an official FBI document, including instances where he was engaged by Trump and Flynn, as well as anything he considered related to the FBI or pertinent to the Crossfire
Hurricane investigation. The supervisor did not memorialize the results of the briefing of candidate Clinton and her advisors."

But, of course!

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (qu1px)

455 All non trolls here love the country and are pissed
off at how it's been subverted, including by the GOP so called saviors.
Taking down the derp state isn't a quick opp and people here are
frustrated by the slow pace; and take out their frustration on their
erstwhile allies.



None of this is surprising.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)


Like I said, this is a buildup phase. Every major event of liberation in history seems to have one. It washes the scales from your eyes, it clears your mind, focuses your purpose, reveals your path, exposes the true enemies, and gives you the strength of righteousness to kill with power at the precise time.


In simpler terms, its like when popeye says "I've taken all I can stands, and I can't stands no more. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (9Om/r)

456 If a public company had as many fundamental errors of control in its Sarbanes Oxley tests, someone would go straight to jail and shareholder litigation would break the company. That our alphabet government can do and get away with anything they want is a disgrace. If Trump, Barr and Durham let this stand we can either lay back and think of England or finally start to fight back.

Posted by: rammajamma at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (PQRcz)

457 They are faking just like everyone else is.
Posted by: Erik at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (R6qYB)

I think so. They had to see if they could throttle back the anger a bit. It seems to have worked.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (H8QX8)

458 Sure, but that is what the proverbial dog or cat to kick is for. And certainly here you can vent to your hearts content on this or that crap politico or kleptocrat without causing offense.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (eoQWY)
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You must be new here.
Posted by: bluebell at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (/669Q)

Naw, in fact I took about 4 or 5 years off of here in the run up to the Romney election till after Trump was elected because of all the counterblasting.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (eoQWY)

459 So now it's the Costaza "no one told me that was wrong" defense?

They needed a black and white rule "do not spy on political campaigns?"

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (vPKfA)

460 Who wants chowder?

Posted by: Lois Griffin at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (gmo/4)

461 Bluebell . and

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (z6z5Y)

462 Barr has to get consequences for this crap.

Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (9221z)

463 He's not trusting of the system. He's trusting of Trump and, by extension, Barr.

Yeah but that's the President and the AG, hence, the system. And Trump always oversells, I'm not buying wine from him based on his endorsement, let alone the future of the republic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (KZzsI)

464 Lisa Page dancing in the end zone over this report.

We know what she did.

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (MLfDH)

465 Famous male receptacle Lisa Page is on Twitter claiming vindication now.
Posted by: Azathoth at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (sLFUK)

Yeah, "I'm not partisan, just incompetent" is a great resume-enhancer. That said, she'll have a show on CNN by Q2 2020 I'm sure.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (77WPm)

466 439 If Drudge took the money and ran with it, there are probably requirements built into the sale that state that Drudge himself can't publicly acknowledge that his namesake is now owned by others.

That's almost certain that there's an NDA involved. But Drudge traffic was down by tens of millions over the last two years or so, which means people can tell there's a difference. And now there are multiple competitors coming out (Dan Bongino's and at least one other one), so the blood's obviously in the water.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (ZGrMX)

J.J.'s Morning Report is better than Drudge. Except Drudge gives weird news like UFO sightings & exorcisms. I like weird news.

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (Izzlo)

467 Love this from the OIF Report Summary:

(1) "Further, the failure to update OI on all significant case developments relevant to the FISA applications led us to conclude that the agents and supervisors did not give appropriate attention or treatment to the facts that cut against probable cause, or reassess the information supporting probable cause as the investigation progressed."

(2) + OIG cites overwhelming evidence of inaccuracies, omissions and failure to follow procedures re all FISA warrants;

(3) Therefore, the OIG has initiated an audit of FBI compliance with Woods Procedures.

Hey Horowitz -- MORON -- If you conduct investigations and the only result of the investigation is more investigations, and there are no recommended penalties or repercussions with the things that, you know, you actually find in your investigation, then WHAT'S THE FRIGGING POINT?!

I give up morons. The real bottom line conclusion of the OIG Report is that we've lost the nation. We live in a facsimile of a Republic governed by a Constitution.

In fact, our Country is governed by the Democratic Party and their unelected surrogates in the federal Bureaucracy, the Media and Academia.

Be very very afraid. All of us that have ever posted on this site (and other conservative ones) are undoubtedly on a list somewhere, and its just a matter of time before we pay a price for not submitting to the Democrat Overlord.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (DRgs8)

468 Surprise Level: 0


Posted by: weft cut-loop

Shh...You're upsetting the otters.

Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (32YRo)

469 391 "308 Banana Empire
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:28 PM (iw59Q)

I am tempted to come up with a more formal definition for this."

Please do. I cribbed it from lunatic comments on whackjob websites, but despite the sources thought it funny. In recent years I decided it was accurate, but it can be improved.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 02:44 PM (iw59Q)

Rule by a foreign and exploitative elite class, while maintaining the pretense of another form of government, of a multitude of nations.

In regards to the foreign designation, that applies not in the technical sense but the more important sense that urban elites have more in common and act as a class/group with urban elites from other countries(this is the source of many problems). They are in a sense internationalist while despising everyone outside of their group(and so are also foreign to the nation in which they reside, ss it is foreign to them).

Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (7nTlT)

470 Lisa Page dancing in the end zone over this report.

We know what she did.

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Wouldn't it be great if her house was raided and she was arrested on Christmas Eve?

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (sX1BW)

471 Not a big fan of clams. Is there a shrimp chowder?


Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (gmo/4)

I like big clams I cannot lie.
You other brothers cannot deny.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (q1Pj5)

472 jack had faith in the system. the system failed him. not his fault. things are not the same. we are inching closer, now.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (KP5rU)

473 461
Who wants chowder?


Posted by: Lois Griffin at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (gmo/4)
Corn or Clam?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (aJkzG)

474
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (9Om/r)

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Yes, this is the pony to be found in this pile of shit, and the Trump Presidency in general. He eposes the corruption, and gives people time and clarity to prepare for the physical phase of revolt. That's why I see his reelection as being very important - not for anything he will do. We need more time. The next Democrat will crack down, and kick shit off. The more time we have before that, the better.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (AzW6q)

475 Has anyone told Jonah Goldberg about the IG report yet today?

Posted by: Azathoth at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (sLFUK)

476 He's not trusting of the system. He's trusting of Trump and, by extension, Barr.

That's the problem. Trump's track record of personnel choices ain't great. Not at all.

I'll vote for Trump again - but I think he'd be better off picking names out of a hat. Trump Picked Him is not a ringing endorsement of Barr.

I do not trust Barr.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (UdYkW)

477 Page is emboldened not scared and not setting a narrative. Horowitz did that

Posted by: CN at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (U7k5w)

478 Without going too much into details: Much of my personal depression comes from learning, at an early age, that the people who are supposed to be responsible for your well-being will fail you. Sometimes even by acting against those who actually will act in your interests.
So it's not exactly like any of this is a shock here.
Just wondering what it takes for anyone else to figure it out, I guess.

Posted by: Brother Cavil
Democrats, Media, and Deep State:
Hostis Humani Generis
at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (Rvlwi)

479 If this is now a flame thread I'd like to take this opportunity to call you all suppurating anus boils, you wonderful people you.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (RD7QR)

480 Lisa Page dancing in the end zone over this report.

We know what she did.




Swallowed?

Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (cGJ7O)

481 Deep state in deep shit: how deep is the shit for the deep state?

Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (MLfDH)

482 433 Barr really ripps the IG a new one.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (cEsBM)

In writing.

Let's see some action now.

Actions speak louder than words.

Or so I've heard

Posted by: Marybeth at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (CmURZ)

483 J.J.'s Morning Report is better than Drudge. Except Drudge gives weird news like UFO sightings & exorcisms. I like weird news.

Me too, but every day is JJ's birthday so he's very busy.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (ZGrMX)

484 Like I said, this is a buildup phase. Every major event of liberation in history seems to have one. It washes the scales from your eyes, it clears your mind, focuses your purpose, reveals your path, exposes the true enemies, and gives you the strength of righteousness to kill with power at the precise time.

I'd scoff at that but...

Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.

Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God help us.

Soooo close. Manhattan and RI need to switch places.

I agree. I like all three but New England > Rhode Island > Manhattan

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (KZzsI)

485 It's not so much the report I'm worried about. It's whether anyone in a position of power over this shit steps up and stops it.

If no one steps up and stops it, it's Game Over, Man!

Country is on a precipice.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 09, 2019 02:56 PM (4fdba)

486 455
"The supervisor memorialized the results of the briefing in an official
FBI document, including instances where he was engaged by Trump and
Flynn, as well as anything he considered related to the FBI or pertinent
to the Crossfire

Hurricane investigation. The supervisor did not memorialize the results of the briefing of candidate Clinton and her advisors."



But, of course!

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 02:52 PM (qu1px)


Just an oversight. Honest accident. Weird how they all break against PDT. Oh well no intent.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 02:56 PM (ymnmz)

487 In regards to the foreign designation, that applies not in the technical sense but the more important sense that urban elites have more in common and act as a class/group with urban elites from other countries(this is the source of many problems). They are in a sense internationalist while despising everyone outside of their group(and so are also foreign to the nation in which they reside, ss it is foreign to them).
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (7nTlT)

Closest historical thing with a name I know of is a Mandarinate. And they had to pass a test to get in.


Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:56 PM (eoQWY)

488
the not even pretending to do work for the rest of the year stage so that's nice.


Cheezburgers for everyone!!!

a weasel
https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/19/12/2/NDedIBIhfkm2WD1zLJOWrA2.mp4

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (FhXTo)

489 gums page would starve to death without the government teat. lower than whale shit.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (KP5rU)

490 Corn Chowder is a lie. Its like those generic pop tarts from the Dollar Tree mom says are the real ones but when you bite into them, its like dust in a dry cracker.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (KZzsI)

491 .J.'s Morning Report is better than Drudge. Except Drudge gives weird news like UFO sightings & exorcisms. I like weird news.
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 02:53 PM (Izzlo)

I do miss the old Radio show that had the weird news UFO's etc. that was on late at night.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (dKiJG)

492 I'd scoff at that but...

Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.

Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God help us.

Soooo close. Manhattan and RI need to switch places.

I agree. I like all three but New England > Rhode Island > Manhattan
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (KZzsI)

Someone wrote it on the wall where the banana was eaten in the art exhibit.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (eoQWY)

493 I like big clams I cannot lie.
You other brothers cannot deny.


Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (q1Pj5)

Hey, sailor!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (1CjJc)

494 I'd scoff at that but...

Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.

Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God help us.
...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (KZzsI)
++++++++++++++++
It's weird and spooky. It reminds me of "Who is John Galt" from Atlas Shrugged.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (I2dne)

495 Pygmy pony

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/19/12/2/NDedIBIhfkm2WD1zLJOWrA2.mp4

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (FhXTo)

496 gums page would starve to death without the government teat. lower than whale shit.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (KP5rU)


I bet she could scratch out a modest living on chatterbate.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (UdYkW)

497 In Mexico they have the cartels, in America we have the alphabet deep state.

Posted by: rammajamma at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (PQRcz)

498 Otter

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/19/12/2/fa3r2hUdTEGR1RpgnbZjKQ2.mp4

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (FhXTo)

499 Sources say I'm furious!

Posted by: Barr at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (6A9Kg)

500 495 It's weird and spooky. It reminds me of "Who is John Galt" from Atlas Shrugged.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (I2dne)

=========

So, you're saying that Epstein is hiding out in Galt's Gulch?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (q80AH)

501 Your dad wears ugly pink stilletos
Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 02:43 PM (PZkLm)



that is not my dad....

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (zr5Kq)

502 and....

https://cheezburger.com/958726/peacock-
spider-christmas-video-is-simply-the-cutest

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (FhXTo)

503 Corn Chowder is a lie. Its like those generic pop tarts from the Dollar Tree mom says are the real ones but when you bite into them, its like dust in a dry cracker.

Strong disagree. It's nothing like clam chowder, but the Campbells version at least is extremely tasty.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (ZGrMX)

504 479
Without going too much into details: Much of my personal depression
comes from learning, at an early age, that the people who are supposed
to be responsible for your well-being will fail you. Sometimes even by
acting against those who actually will act in your interests.
So it's not exactly like any of this is a shock here.
Just wondering what it takes for anyone else to figure it out, I guess.


Posted by: Brother Cavil
Democrats, Media, and Deep State:
Hostis Humani Generis
at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (Rvlwi)


Cuthbert Rule Number One- Everyone, EVERYONE,want to eat your lunch and take your shit. Especially government bureaucrats.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (ymnmz)

505 Nood.

Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (3sOO0)

506 498
In Mexico they have the cartels, in America we have the alphabet deep state.

Posted by: rammajamma at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (PQRcz)
At least the cartels admit their behavior is criminal.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (aJkzG)

507 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (ycWCI)

508 I'd scoff at that but...

Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.

Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God help us.

--------------

The Hunter Biden stuff seems to have the same effect.

No one - even the left - no one believes that Hunter Biden didn't have that job purely for the corruptible influence it would have on the VP.

And those types of positions are rampant in America - why was Hillary on Walmart Board?

But Hunter is in a whole different class of immoral ne'erdowells.

Posted by: SH at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (sX1BW)

509 If this is now a flame thread I'd like to take this
opportunity to call you all suppurating anus boils, you wonderful people
you.

Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (RD7QR)

I see your suppurating anus boils and raise you an impacted anal fistula, you wiper of other peoples bottoms.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (q1Pj5)

510 480 If this is now a flame thread I'd like to take this opportunity to call you all suppurating anus boils, you wonderful people you.
Posted by: joncelli the prophet, now accepting donations at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (RD7QR)

Well, then, a Merry F*ing Xmas to you too, sir!

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (vVOK2)

511 You know what I do like?

How people stopped pretending Kwanzaa was a real thing. Years now, people just don't even bring it up any longer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (KZzsI)

512 Be very very afraid. All of us that have ever posted on this site (and other conservative ones) are undoubtedly on a list somewhere, and its just a matter of time before we pay a price for not submitting to the Democrat Overlord.

*****************

National Divorce

Mainstream and Support Secessionist Parties

Any secession friendly state *ahem Texas/Alaska* should update their national guard and train them accordingly to defend against federal intrusion.

Finally, secession needs to be done without regard to federal law. for example there are several townships in Colorado that want to secede, but to do so it has to be approved by the Denver government, which is just bullshit. The people you want to secede from are the ones who decide if you can secede? Fuck that shit.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (+dsLj)

513 So, you're saying that Epstein is hiding out in Galt's Gulch?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:58 PM (q80AH)
++++++++++++
No, I'm saying that the viral uptake of verbal shibboleth like that, especially one that effectively says to the state, "you're lying and I don't believe you about anything" probably doesn't imply great things about our current state.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (I2dne)

514 Of course you do, you festering ass-boil.
Posted by: Grump928(C) is rich in niacin and B vitamins at December 09, 2019 02:51 PM (cGJ7O)


I've been called worse.. BY BETTER PEOPLE THAN YOU A_HOLE !!

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (zr5Kq)

515 I'll have to read the stupid thing before I can get upset about it.

I'd expect that as a politically tuned document, its going to say bad things in passive voice and make throat clearing noises all while mumbling. But when you tweeze it apart, it'll say some seemingly pretty bad and unexplained/ unexcused shiff took place. It'll recommend training, institutional controls, and amendments to the employee handbook.

Nothing Horowitz said or did was going to put anyone in jail.

Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (1R9tp)

516 if the horowitz report conclusions are simply "mistakes were made", it does great damage to the fbi. they're exposed to being incompetent and reckless at best. and the fisa system is corrupt.

Posted by: mjc at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (Pg+x7)

517 488 In regards to the foreign designation, that applies not in the technical sense but the more important sense that urban elites have more in common and act as a class/group with urban elites from other countries(this is the source of many problems). They are in a sense internationalist while despising everyone outside of their group(and so are also foreign to the nation in which they reside, ss it is foreign to them).
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 02:54 PM (7nTlT)

Closest historical thing with a name I know of is a Mandarinate. And they had to pass a test to get in.


Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:56 PM (eoQWY)

This happens routinely at high stages of development/later ages of a civilization.

The lingua franca is not spoken by peasants but nobles, though this particular distinction has been reversed with programs to make everyone speak the same language(which is frankly more sensible).

Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (7nTlT)

518 nood big fat scumbag

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (AzW6q)

519 BARR Statement:

The Inspector Generals report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken. It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory. Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trumps administration. In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source. The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory. While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector Generals report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (cEsBM)

520 495
I'd scoff at that but...



Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.



Not the idea of his suicide, but the slogan. The rallying cry. Its
everywhere, from everyone. That's the kind of thing that brings together
people while they stew in frustration and rage until it boils over. God
help us.

...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (KZzsI)

++++++++++++++++

It's weird and spooky. It reminds me of "Who is John Galt" from Atlas Shrugged.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 02:57 PM (I2dne)


His name was Robert Paulson.

Posted by: Project Mayhem at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (l3+k2)

521 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 02:49 PM (CQ3Qb)
*******
No I'm here Junior

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (BqBId)

522 nood big fat scumbag
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (AzW6q)
+++++++++++++++
Wow. I am going to go look, but I can think of at least half a dozen topics based on this.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 03:01 PM (I2dne)

523 Nood
Time to get off the Jack-Stabbing Train peeps

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 03:02 PM (vEIlU)

524 Some of us may have been seen as spiking the ball, but we are not celebrating. We can just see the game is over and has been for a while. No, Durham isn't going to win the championship for us. Team Coup is going to take the trophy and get on the bus unscathed, healthy and ready for the next big game.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (r+sAi)

525 I went to the big fat scumbag nood.

Much to my surprise, not Joy Behar.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (UdYkW)

526 "there are probably requirements built into the sale that state that
Drudge himself can't publicly acknowledge that his namesake is now owned
by others."

I thought of that at first when Rasmussen said they thought he was not there, and they were waiting for confirmation. But I thought surely they could not claim it was Drudge Report and make it illegal to reveal that there is no Drudge at Drudge Report ... since the man was the product for so many years.


So maybe it is now a fully China run PsyOp, but they will advertise as "a conservative Drudge product"? Seems like false advertising, even if they just bought the name and consumer base.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (Cus5s)

527 The lingua franca is not spoken by peasants but nobles, though this particular distinction has been reversed with programs to make everyone speak the same language(which is frankly more sensible).
Posted by: Someguy at December 09, 2019 03:00 PM (7nTlT)

Christ, does that mean that the elite's new lingua franca is quibbling about Star Trek and what the top 10 movies are?

Lord Help us.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (eoQWY)

528 OK. new civil service rule: every government employee is fired when a new administration takes over.

Posted by: x at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (nFwvY)

529 Any secession friendly state *ahem Texas/Alaska* should update their national guard and train them accordingly to defend against federal intrusion.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere



We, (Texas), need to update, as in train and fund more than we do, the Texas State Guard.
Which is totally separate from the National Guard and only answers to the Governor.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (7jTtI)

530 Hey you monkeys...save the shit flinging for the tourists.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (jKBVK)

531 It's also not what JackStraw says.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 02:47 PM (q80AH)

In August of 2016, Sessions arose from his deep slumber to set up a special task force in conjunction with DNI Coats to go after the leaks.

The first action was the firing of the FBI agent in Minnesota for leaking classified information. There are at least 26 other, active investigations.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 13, 2018 03:54 PM (/tuJf)

Horowitz actually is coming and obviously he isn't alone since he can't call a grand jury, only a prosecutor can do that. And I absolutely believe Barr will do the investigations he claims he's already started.

I think it is going to be a fun year.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2019 07:17 PM (/tuJf)

(replying to another comment)

so, now that Trump has won, that the swamp is being drained, that evidence of the deep state treachery is being revealed, where is the loyal, honorable, rank and file core? why are they not out there blowing their whistles and pointing the way to the evidence to prosecute the treacherous deep state agents?

How do you they aren't? Just because they aren't doing it in front of tv cameras doesn't mean people aren't talking behind the scene like most whistleblowers.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (/tuJf)


Yeah he definitely said none of those things. I must be imagining it.

Posted by: Sjg at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (gDSJf)

532 Darn it runner ,your brother?

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:04 PM (z6z5Y)

533 We don't really need competing reports, we can just use this one. There's plenty of wrongdoing in there, and there's no need to accept the 'no harm no foul couldn't be helped' line.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 02:39 PM (eoQWY)

Come on you can't really believe this IG report and conclusions is anything but a finding of innocence of any intentional wrongdoing much less an attempt at a coup to overthrow the President.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (oiW2a)

534 I'll vote for Trump again - but I think he'd be better off picking names out of a hat. Trump Picked Him is not a ringing endorsement of Barr.

I do not trust Barr.

Posted by: Random Nic Generator at December 09, 2019 02:55 PM (UdYkW)

Barr's clearly not happy with the way things have been going. It might be unprecedented for investigators to disagree this completely and officially with other investigators, and that's at least partly Barr's influence. I don't think Janet Reno went so far to disagree with the Starr Report.

But this is going to take some processing. I imagine this will no better than the previous IG report: a thorough explanation of all the crimes, with "please don't Epstein us" tacked on at the end. I don't trust anyone who claims they're already done reading it, unless they had early access (as the AG did).

Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (6OzV/)

535 This will only be fixed by a re-division of the balance of power. And that's not going to be pretty or painless.


At the very least, it would require repeal of the 16th Amendment, and replaced by nothing.

The 16th Amendment made We The People chattel to the Ruling class within government.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (DfaM+)

536 You know what I do like?

How people stopped pretending Kwanzaa was a real thing. Years now, people just don't even bring it up any longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 02:59 PM (KZzsI)

They've graduated to pretending that sexual differences aren't a real thing.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2019 03:05 PM (eoQWY)

537 The IG report shall be remembered in history as the Queef Fart heard round the world.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 09, 2019 03:06 PM (koNhm)

538 "The liars didn't come out and say they were lying, so they must be guilty."

Isn't that the thinking of the guy who testified against Trump today? That he didn't come out and tell Zelensky that he was bribing him, so Trump is automatically guilty, per the guy's 10 years of prosecutions of guilty people?

Sauce for the goose...

Posted by: red speck at December 09, 2019 03:11 PM (nrC0n)

539 Yeah yeah we just print zillions of $$$ to cover guvamint budgets [and it's no longer even a topic, much less an issue, in the political arena], but the IG budget looks like a source for savings.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2019 02:46 PM (El6T/)

I wish that were true, but IG"s aren't going anywhere. More than likely, if you dig deep for days into one of the millions of regulations propagated by some agency or law that was enacted by Congress, you will find a rule requiring an agency to host and fully fund an IG's office, replete with hundreds of lawyers. It won't be something that Barr, or Manuchin or Wray, or the sec. of Ag can eliminate with a pen, nor can an EO from Trump.

Who do you all think applies to be a "government lawyer"? How do you think they get hired for a particular department in the first place. It's because they knew someone who knew someone and they applied back when a particular party was in control and they were one of the members. And they become buried in the bureaucracy.

Remember the screaming and howls from the jerks at the dept. of AG who refuse to move to where Ag is actually located to do their job? Why do you think that is, LOL. The majority of these people are there to get a paycheck and benefits and have zero interest in the subject of their job.

Also, I highly doubt Horowitz (like Mueller) interviewed and assembled this report all by himself directly. His hundreds of minion lawyers and their legal aids and their assistants are the ones who did this. He just rubber stamped it because he has no ability to actually conduct the thousands of hours of interviews and research on the agency himself. He is simply depending on his staff, many of whom he's probably never met, LOL.

And so we get an HR dictated report. I would suggest you all who are having the vapors right now that it didn't include a dozen people be immediately arrested go do some research on how government agencies work or go talk to someone working at one and get the real scoop.


Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 03:12 PM (I3OPu)

540 John Durham: I'm the One With the Prosecutorial Power
.........

PROVE IT

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (v0R5T)

541 Hillary lied and lied, and smashed hard drives ... Comey covered for her ... couldn't prove intent (which is not part of the law)

Mueller had no predicate, the whole thing was a sham (the Special Investigator had no predicate, was in search of a crime, never had anything). The start of the Trump/Russia fiasco also had no predicate, despite the fake evidence the FBI conjured up.


Mueller put an editorial (not his job) at the end of his investigation to dirty up Trump, saying he had not proven his innocence. Horowitz has an editorial also, but says there were lots of lies and frauds, but he couldn't prove any guilt ... assumes innocence (in the face of blatant evidence)

The pattern is clear ... we will see if there is prosecution and if the real evidence gets its day in court (not the court of public opinion that has been massaged for 3 years, going on four). DeepState influence operations ... the hydra is deep and wide.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (Cus5s)

542 OK. new civil service rule: every government employee is fired when a new administration takes over.

Posted by: x at December 09, 2019 03:03 PM (nFwvY)
..........

Then we only hire back 25% of them. Maybe.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:14 PM (v0R5T)

543 I've been busy today, so just getting to this..

At the risk of being labeled one of the optimists, what did the report say in terms of statements of fact, vs. Horowitz conclusions?

While clearly the deep state, media and Dems were always going to spin this to be "nobody did anything criminal", I think there is probably a wealth of actual facts that buttress what we've been saying for years.

Whether or not any of that can get past the media gatekeepers is iffy, but that was always going to be the case. Macabe could be arrested, tried and executed, and CNN would keep covering impeachment.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 09, 2019 03:16 PM (gVkxx)

544 "Lisa Page told us that she did not have a formal role in the CrossfireHurricane investigation but may have participated in team meetings to keep McCabe aware of the status of the investigation. McCabe also told us that she was the "facilitation point" between CD and his office during the investigation. As with Strzok, when we learned in this review of Lisa Page's presence at meetings or involvement in any investigative activity, we include that information in this report."

How neat - no formal paper trail to investigate. Just Lisa Page facilitating Strzok and McCabe.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 09, 2019 03:22 PM (qu1px)

545 I'll bet, somewhere in the Horrorwitz report, there's a piece that says, "Although many mistakes were made, and people didn't do the jobs they were required to do by law which meant a killer could have waltzed into and out of his cell unnoticed, Epstein did, in fact, kill himself."

Posted by: Starboardhelm at December 09, 2019 03:26 PM (hOtJL)

546 feverhead so she was the fence..

Posted by: willow at December 09, 2019 03:29 PM (z6z5Y)

547 The words "criminal referral" do not appear in the IG's report.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2019 03:34 PM (mdsFe)

548 the law. thats for ordinary people.

-hitlery

Posted by: Cooper at December 09, 2019 03:41 PM (l8qDP)

549 That asshole Comey is already out saying "See! We did everything by the book! We're completely exonerated!"


Posted by: portlandon at December 09, 2019 03:48 PM (+oR7L)

550 Are they really "furious" or are they just posing and then waiting for it all to go away?

Posted by: PJ at December 09, 2019 04:17 PM (qlTN9)

551 540 John Durham: I'm the One With the Prosecutorial Power
.........

PROVE IT
Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 03:13 PM (v0R5T)

This x 1000

Posted by: Ask Sherwin Williams at December 09, 2019 04:27 PM (U7k5w)

552 Here is the thing I want to see Horowitz asked when his partisan ass is dragged before the Senate or House.

He documented literally hundreds of errors, and not one of them was in Trump's favor. If all of this were merely incompetence rather than bias then how was it possible that at least some of these errors were not in Trump's favor?

If he says there may have been bias, but it was only bias to see an investigation on a matter of vital national importance was thorough and was seen through to the end then ask him why ALL of the errors in the Hillary Clinton faux investigation were in her favor?

These guys really are contemptuous of us and feel they can get away with anything.

Posted by: Thatch at December 09, 2019 04:30 PM (zW1B4)

553 It is past time for the perp walks to take place. Everyone knows the guilty parties. Go arrest them. Start criminal prosecutions. If this does not happen it will not bode well for the justice dept.

Posted by: Patriot One at December 09, 2019 05:27 PM (psf/2)

IG Report Released
COMPLETE WHITEWASH

Here. I'm going to start skimming. If you see anything good, quote it in the comments, if you would be so kind.







The whitewash is successful.

Long live the coup.

The AG Guidelines and the DIOG do not provide
heightened predication standards for sensitive matters,
or allegations potentia lly impacting constitutionally
protected activity, such as First Amendment rights.
Rather, the approval and notification requirements
contained in the AG Guidelines and the DIOG are, in
part, intended to provide t he means by which such
concerns can be considered by senior officials.
However, we were concerned to find that neither the AG
Guidelines nor the DIOG contain a provision requiring
Department consultation before opening an
investigation such as the one here involving the alleged
conduct of individuals associated with a major party
presidential campaign.

Crossfire Hurricane was opened as a Full
Investigation and all of the senior FBI officials who
participated in discussions about whether to open a
case told us the information warranted opening it. For
example, then Counterintel ligence Division (CD)
Assistant Director (AD) E.W. "Bill" Priestap, who
approved the case opening, told us that the
combination of t he FFG information and the FBI 's
ongoing cyber intrusion investigation of the July 2016
hacks of the Democratic Nat ional Committee's (DNC)
emails, created a count erintelligence concern that the
FBI was "obligated" to investigate. Priestap stated that
he considered whether the FBI should conduct
defensive briefings for the Trump campaign but
ultimately decided that providing such briefings created
the risk that "if someone on the campaign was engaged
with the Russians, he/she would very likely change
his/her tact ics and/or otherwise seek to cover-up
his/her activities, thereby preventing us from finding
the truth." We did not identify any Department or FBI
policy that applied to this decision and therefore
determined t hat the decision was a judgment call that
Department and FBI policy leaves to the discretion of
FBI officia ls. We also concluded that, under the AG
Guidelines and the DIOG, the FBI had an authorized
purpose when it opened Crossfire Hurricane to obtain
information about, or protect against, a national
security threat or federal crime, even though the
investigation also had the potential to impact
constitutionally protected activity.

Additionally, given the low threshold for
predication in the AG Guidelines and the DIOG..

"Predication" means "pretext," effectively. The rules provide for a very low standard -- almost a complete lack of standard -- for opening up an investigation into a Republican presidential candidate. They're saying that literally anything can constitute a "good faith" reason for suspicion.

Here, the "FFG" information means "Friendly Foreign Government" and refers to Alexander Downer's claim that Papadoplous said something about Russia having Hillary's emails.

...we concluded that the FFG information, provided by a
government the United States Intelligence Community
(USIC) deems trustworthy, and describing a first-hand
account from an FFG employee of a conversation with
Papadopoulos, was sufficient to predicate the
investigation. This information provided the FBI with an
articulable factual basis that, if true, reasonably
indicated activity constituting either a federal crime or a
t hreat to national security, or both, may have occurred
or may be occurring. For simi lar reasons, as we detail
in Chapter Three, we concluded that the quantum of
information articulated by the FBI to open t he individual
investigations on Papadopoulos, Page, Flynn, and
Manafort in August 2016 was sufficient to satisfy the
low threshold established by the Department and the
FBI.

Low threshold means "no threshold whatsoever."

Now we turn to the whitewashing of bias:


As part of our review, we also sought to
determine whether there was evidence that political
bias or other improper considerations affected decision
making in Crossfire Hurricane, including the decision to
open the investigation. We discussed t he issue of
political bias in a prior OIG report, Review of Various
Actions in Advance of the 2016 Election, where we
described text and instant messages between then
Special Counsel to the Deputy Director Lisa Page and
then Section Chief Peter Strzok, among others, that
included statements of hostility toward then candidate
Trump and statements of support for then candidate
Hillary Clinton. In this review, we found that, while Lisa
Page attended some of the discussions regarding the
opening of the investigations, she did not play a role in
the decision to open Crossfire Hurricane or the four
individual cases. We further found that while Strzok
was directly involved in the decisions to open Crossfire
Hurricane and the four individual cases, he was not the
sole, or even the highest-level, decision maker as to
any of those matters.
As noted above, then CD AD
Priestap, Strzok's supervisor, was the official who
ultimately made the decision to open the investigation,
and evidence reflected that this decision by Priestap
was reached by consensus after multiple days of
discussions and meetings that included Strzok and
other leadership in CD, the FBI Deputy Director, the FBI
General Counsel, and a FBI Deputy General Counsel.
We concluded that Priestap's exercise of discretion in
opening the investigation was in compliance with
Department and FBI policies, and we did not find
documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias
or improper motivation influenced his decision. We
similarly found that, while the formal documentation
opening each of the four individual investigations was
approved by Strzok (as required by the DIOG), the
decisions to do so were reached by a consensus among
the Crossfire "Hurricane agents
and analysts who
identified individuals associated with the Trump
campaign who had recently traveled to Russia or had
other alleged ties to Russia. Priestap was involved in
these decisions. We did not find documentary or
testimonial evidence that political bias or improper
motivation influenced the decisions to open the four
individual investigations.

Oh -- there was an Interagency Consensus.

I see.

The omissions -- the deliberate lies and actual fraud perpetrated upon the FISA court -- is "concerning," but none of the rats confessed to having been responsible for the lies, therefore there are no lies, or at least we're going to pretend them away:

We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applications
and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we
did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
part of the case agents who assisted in preparing the applications, or the agents
and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information....

Thanks to artisinal 'ette for that one.

Page xiv of the executive summary more or less says:

"That so many basic and fundamental errors
were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process."

There's more but all that's being done? A fucking audit.

That via alexthechick.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:08 PM




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1 First!

Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:08 PM (3sOO0)

2 And I read the content. Woo.

Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:08 PM (3sOO0)

3 ok

Posted by: CuChulainn at December 09, 2019 01:08 PM (CT57M)

4 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (q80AH)

5 No flaming skull yet?

Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (3sOO0)

6 Early returns are bad, unfortunately. Seems to go out of its way to not implicate any of the traitors.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (oZ6kz)

7 So... did Steiner come?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (x2wJm)

8 Cynicism regarding government means never having to say " I was wrong".

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (im6pB)

9 Only one criminal referral.

Posted by: Nevyan at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (J4uXz)

10 I hate communists.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (yfoZs)

11 "Establishing and providing at least semiannual, mandatory training for all relevant personnel on CHS handling, source sensitivities, and other source-related topics...

The FBI should review the performance of all employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation,and take any action deemed appropriate. "

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (0GvUH)

12 [X] Nation fundamentally transformed.

Posted by: Old Dude at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (LGXGf)

13 called the others

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (77WPm)

14 All you have to do is search the document for the word conclusion, there are 28 of them.

Here's one:

"We concluded that the failures described above
and in this report represent serious performance
failures by the supervisory and non-supervisory agents with responsibility over the FISA applications."



So these are cast as oversight errors and not criminal.


Complete and total white wash.

Posted by: Fuller Brush Salesman at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (YHoQw)

15
So can we get some frog-marching before the end of the day?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (kw0bd)

16 I like surprise anal -- Lisa Page; page 69.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (Dh1wo)

17 Nothing inappropriate, but here, go to Boca and have some training in something or other, you naughty FBI person you.

[Spit] I don't know why we expected accountability from bureaucrats. LITERAL BUREAUCRATIC DECIMATION NOW.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (RD7QR)

18 The Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son.

Posted by: Fritz at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (2Mnv1)

19 You'll get nothing and like it !

Posted by: Judge Smails at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (cz8Bv)

20 Durham is coming!

Posted by: Mobile Goal Posts at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (6A9Kg)

21 Would smacking Nadler with a folding chair be considered a point of order?

Posted by: BluesFish at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (WQZ1O)

22 2
And I read the content. Woo.

Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:08 PM (3sOO0)

Ok. I laughed.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (VqhL9)

23 Only one criminal referral.
Posted by: Nevyan at December 09, 2019 01:09 PM (J4uXz)

Let me guess, some GS-4 level secretarial type?

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (77WPm)

24 How much space/ink/pixels is wasted on that pretentious banner on each and every page?

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (im6pB)

25 So... did Steiner come?

Steiner did

[ ] come
[x] not come

Posted by: McCool at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (sZaoP)

26 [We concluded that the FBI's decision to open Crossfire Hurricane and the four

related individual investigations was, under Department and FBI policy, a

discretionary judgment call and that the FBI's exercise of discretion was in

compliance with those policies.]

In other words, the crooks decided it was all good.

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (l3+k2)

27 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (yQpMk)

28 Summary and Recommendations start on page 410, or page 450 of 476 of the pdf.

Posted by: Bert G at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (OMsf+)

29 The ony real criticism in the exec summary is that Steele didn't
disclose that his report was politically sourced and the FBI didn't
care.
No one is going to get into any trouble at all over this.
Whatever negatives are in this report were already known months ago and
there will be no consequences for anyone.
Exactly what us "eyeores" have been saying.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (CQ3Qb)

30 Good thing I didn't expect much.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (RU4sa)

31 I like surprise anal -- Lisa Page; page 69.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (Dh1wo)

Well, she otter know.

Posted by: Linn Ridge at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (ECrgQ)

32 Is it time for a colorful metaphor?

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (Izzlo)

33 Wait did content just appear?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (VqhL9)

34 We are going to sleep well tonight...

Posted by: Low Level Cincinnati Feral Gubmint Operators at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (flINI)

35 The FBI should review the performance of all employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation,and take any action deemed appropriate. "

-

I had joked about some employees only getting a 3.5% raise this year instead of the full 5% because of the" does not meet expectations" in one column of their annual performance review, but that's hilarious.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (0GvUH)

36 I just recall so much agonizing over this report, Ben Had saying she wasn't going to get her knickers in a twist until she sees the actual report, and me admonishing her for not setting her hair aflame.(TIC of course)


Anyhoo, DJT said the IG report was going to be "bad"- and I believe him, not the media organs of the IC.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (DJFLF)

37 Mike Cernovich
@Cernovich
Oh fuck this report is bad for the FBI.

"the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to inform Department officials of significant information that was available to the team at the time that the FISA applications were drafted and filed."

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (BqBId)

38 So the swamp won again?

Posted by: SuberE at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (EPXLU)

39 MORE: In statement, Attorney General Bill Barr says evidence compiled by IG shows FBI "launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken."

=========

Remember, it's Barr's opinions that matter in terms of future actions by DOJ.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (q80AH)

40
I just read the nine recommendations. Not one criminal referral. What is Mollie Hemingway talking about?

It's all strengthen policy, clarify language, instruct managers, etc.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (M9ntN)

41 32 Is it time for a colorful metaphor?
Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2019 01:11 PM (Izzlo)

Something about otters and painful surprises.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (RD7QR)

42 IG found no reason to continue training DoJ and FBI personnel in the Hatch Act.


/just made that up

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (1g7ch)

43
This is all I need:

We concluded that the FBI's decision to open Crossfire Hurricane and the four
related individual investigations was, under Department and FBI policy, a
discretionary judgment call and that the FBI's exercise of discretion was in
compliance with those policies.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (M9ntN)

44 Nicole Wallace you ignorant slut.

Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (oiNtH)

45 Will the narrative be,

This is a partisan report, but even the IG did not find any illegal conduct.

Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (+0uDE)

46 "the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to inform
Department officials of significant information that was available to
the team at the time that the FISA applications were drafted and filed."

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:12 PM (BqBId)

So f'ing what?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (CQ3Qb)

47 Do I have to stop wildly, irresponsibly an irrationally speculating now?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (VqhL9)

48 How many criminal referrals were there??

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (7jTtI)

49 Personally, I'm viewing this report as official government authorization to begin resume day drinking!


But I'll order moar ammo first!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (BiNEL)

50
it's Barr's opinions that matter in terms of future actions by DOJ.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz

======

How far into the future?
/

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (M9ntN)

51 Former "senior FBI official" on MSLSD says McCabe and Comey "appear clean" and they're "decent and honorable men."

The hell?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (ptqGC)

52 Right wing conspiracy theories hardest hit. Lol

Posted by: No at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (n4Oho)

53 And the Swamp has learned that there is virtually nothing that they cannot get away with. Massive voter fraud in 2020 and not one damn thing to be done about it. Nice country we had for awhile there.

Posted by: Old Dude at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (LGXGf)

54 Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (M9ntN)
******
Might wanna read Mollie Hemingway from last thread

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (BqBId)

55 47 Do I have to stop wildly, irresponsibly an irrationally speculating now?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (VqhL9)

It's not stopping me.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (RD7QR)

56 So, nothingburger, and they forgot to put the fries in the bag.

Gosh, I am so surprised.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (JwHjN)

57 I vote yes on the federal death penalty for attempted coups.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (NVYyb)

58
How many criminal referrals were there??

Posted by: rickb223

=======

The Nine Recommendations at the end have zero criminal referrals.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (M9ntN)

59 So, does it say how many of of them were looking at porn on their computer at work? Purely to see if Trump was in it at any point I'm sure.

Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (3sOO0)

60 I may be premature but, I'm starting to begin to suspect that we most likely aren't voting ourselves out of this.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (yQpMk)

61 Remember, it's Barr's opinions that matter in terms of future actions by DOJ.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison



So ANOTHER #TwoWeeks?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (7jTtI)

62 Remember that this is an investigation into how the FISA report was created and presented to the court to allow spying. It is not involved in the conduct subsequent to that warrant being issued.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (I3OPu)

63 This is a partisan report, but even the severely conservative Republican IG did not find any illegal conduct.

Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (+0uDE)

FTFY

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (BiNEL)

64 So f'ing what?


Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (CQ3Qb)

The IG can't take any action based on FIB failures however AG Barr can, according to his above statement tweeted by ABC news.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (DJFLF)

65 Have a feeling the trolls are gonna be outta control in this thread...

Laters y'all.

Posted by: SMH at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (RU4sa)

66 Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:13 PM (M9ntN)


Yep, nothing is going to happen.

Posted by: WOPR at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (rSVGg)

67 Bullshit bureaucratic doubletalk. Arrests or STFU.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (prSvo)

68 Can the report be braided into something, nooses for example.

Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (3ZQT1)

69 Witness the awesome firepower of this fully armed and operational Deep State!

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (77WPm)

70 The FISA warrants by the FBI were improper but nobody is in trouble for it.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (CQ3Qb)

71
Nicole Wallace is such an arrogant, obnoxious bitch. She's a perfect example of the rot that is Vichy Republicans

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (mpeBU)

72 And this is why I don't understand twitter.

Julie Kelly above states that Brenner testified to the contrary. Contrary to what? Nunes quote that the Steele Dossier was used as a basis for the FISA? Or to the MSM spin? Who is Julie Kelly? DSN operative?

Posted by: Iris at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (lSFe/)

73 Y'all I know this looks bad but let's just calm down and wait a couple of weeks and see what Durham has.

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (bloh/)

74 50
it's Barr's opinions that matter in terms of future actions by DOJ.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz

======

How far into the future?
/
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (M9ntN)

=========

Good question.

I dunno.

Though the idea that this IG report was the end of action of FISA abuse is not true. It will continue.

And, if there is a political aspect to the series of actions, having it all happen next year means a larger impact.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (q80AH)

75 As far as I know, this IG report never recommends criminal prosecutions - only DOJ does that?

Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (oiNtH)

76 No political bias, huh?

Because they go exactly by the book for both left and right? Give me a break.

Bias isn't how you treat Trump. Bias is how you treat Trump compared to how you treat Hillary.

It is still bias if you only show bias to the other side.

Posted by: cpurick at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (7YrFp)

77 Might wanna read Mollie Hemingway from last thread

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (BqBId)

No, I'm reading the report. I don't need to be told what to think.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (CQ3Qb)

78 I'm going to have to avoid news for the rest of the day. Endeavor to persevere.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (RD7QR)

79 73 Y'all I know this looks bad but let's just calm down and wait a couple of weeks and see what Durham has.

twoweeks

Posted by: Hannity at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (6XlcD)

80 Mark Meadows
@RepMarkMeadows
BREAKING: IG report officially released. It reveals FBI "fell far short" in vetting accuracy of FISA applications, knowingly withheld exculpatory information, used 'defensive briefings' to secretly asses the Trump campaign, used known illegitimate sources, and more
******
Here Brian this won't help your butthurt

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (BqBId)

81 The only clear solutions to these problems are a 17.3% funding increase and lowering retirement eligibility to 20 years of service with full benefits and pay upon leaving the FBI. "

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (0GvUH)

82 60 I may be premature but, I'm starting to begin to suspect that we most likely aren't voting ourselves out of this.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
===========================

Nope, we're not.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (prSvo)

83 Can the report be braided into something, nooses for example.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (3ZQT1)


I have it on good authority that most anything can be used to hang oneself ~Epstein, who did not kill himself

Posted by: Flyguy at December 09, 2019 01:16 PM (3sOO0)

84 So, rampant FISA abuses are the "new norm", I guess.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (vtcmf)

85 "29 The ony real criticism in the exec summary is that Steele didn't
disclose that his report was politically sourced and the FBI didn't
care.
No one is going to get into any trouble at all over this.
Whatever negatives are in this report were already known months ago and
there will be no consequences for anyone.
Exactly what us "eyeores" have been saying."

I'm reading again but, yep. Asking the FBI to take "actions it deems appropriate" is, well, lulzy.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (iw59Q)

86 yeah, but did they mention 'intent'? cause thats the most important thing.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (VqhL9)

87 I'm skimming right now and, seriously, the FISA courts need burned to the ground. That and the notion that Roberts is doing any kind of oversight is ridiculous nonsense.

Further also, at least so far, all of the wild eyed conspiracy theories on the Right about what was done appear to be true.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (mf5HN)

88 Remember that this is an investigation into how the FISA report was created and presented to the court to allow spying. It is not involved in the conduct subsequent to that warrant being issued.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (I3OPu)

I'm supposed to feel better that the Intel and Law Enforcement bureaucracies of the Fed.Gov can be weaponized against the opposition party POTUS campaign over foreign-sourced bullshit? Because I don't.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (77WPm)

89 Miss Page, I hope you brought enough gum for everyone in the room.

Posted by: Lisa Page's Third Grade Teacher at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (9vQJW)

90 "a

discretionary judgment call"

Weasel words were expected, and delivered.

Posted by: davidt at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (l3+k2)

91 Can the report be braided into something, nooses for example.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (3ZQT1)

It would make good fire starters.

Posted by: Linn Ridge at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (ECrgQ)

92
Only one criminal referral.
Posted by: Nevyan

=====

I missed it. Who?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (M9ntN)

93 I'll look back fondly on my time as AG and sleep well at night!

Posted by: J B Sessionzzzz ex-AG at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (BiNEL)

94 Y'all I know this looks bad but let's just calm down and wait a couple of weeks and see what Durham has.
Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (bloh/)

*********

#twoweeks

Part duex
The eclectic boogaloo

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (flINI)

95 No Harm, no foul.

Posted by: I.G. C. Nothing at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (im6pB)

96 well good job you ran off Jack Straw

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (BqBId)

97 Nicole Wallace is such an arrogant, obnoxious bitch. She's a perfect example of the rot that is Vichy Republicans
Posted by: TheQuietMan


Yes. A true McCain acolyte along with Steven Schmidt.

Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (oiNtH)

98 60 I may be premature but, I'm starting to begin to suspect that we most likely aren't voting ourselves out of this.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

You're not premature. Been the case for quite some time now.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (77WPm)

99 73
Y'all I know this looks bad but let's just calm down and wait a couple of weeks and see what Durham has.

Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:15 PM (bloh/)

Yanno, I actually agree with something that Pee-Lousy said in one of her heavily sedated appearances last week.
Something to the effect of:
"We (demonrats) don't agonize, we organize".
GOPes and hangers-on luvs them some crying in their pea soup.

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (DJFLF)

100 Horowitz came, but he's shooting blanks.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (NWiLs)

101 Well Solomon and Sara Carter 's sources were wrong

Posted by: Hannity at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (6XlcD)

102 If the IG report is written that allows the kind of spin expected then I consider it badly written.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (2DOZq)

103 "The FBI Is Exonerated"
...........

LOLGF

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (v0R5T)

104 It's kind of over. That's enough cover for their purposes.

It just needed to give the media and Demorcrats and their supporters DENIABILITY. That's all they needed. And they have it.Whenever it comes up, "But the IG report said it was proper..." and that will be the end of it.

Burn it all down. The whole place it corrupt to its core and it can not be saved.

Burn it down.

Posted by: Tommy V at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (GCivW)

105 Democrat/Media Proclamation: Report Completely Exonerates Comey, McCabe and others of being biased against Trump; IG found no documentary or email evidence of this!

Democrat/Media Proclamation: Mueller and House Intel Committee found no documentary evidence of Trump Collusion with Russia or Trump Bribery of Ukrainian President, but we know he committed treason, bribery, and many crimes against humanity!

Posted by: Gref at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (AMIL/)

106 As far as I know, this IG report never recommends criminal prosecutions - only DOJ does that?
Posted by: Cheri


The IG does. He send criminal referrals to the DoJ. THEN the DoJ declines to prosecute.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (7jTtI)

107 So Barr beg's to disagree. And he's the boss with the power to bring charges. I guess we wait.

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (X+a7J)

108 unless I'm wrong about what I'm reading, both Ohr's seem to be off the hook. Nellie for sure. Husband kicked down the road.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (vEIlU)

109 The report is released?
Time to grease the axles on the goalposts.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (hLRSq)

110 NBC "News" headline:



Internal Justice watchdog finds that Russia probe was justified, not biased against Trump.


Authors are Ken Dilanian, Pete Williams and Julia Ainsley

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (IttZ7)

111 *Complete and total white wash.*

It couldn't be more of a white wash if Tom Sawyer had painted it on Aunt Polly's fence.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (BeYX8)

112 Good news tho, they're initiating an audit of FISA! So what?

"In our view, this was a failure of not only the operational team, but also of the managers and supervisors, including senior officials, in the chain of command. For these reasons, we recommend that the FBI review the performance of the employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers and supervisors in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, including senior officials, and take any action deemed appropriate. In addition, given the extensive compliance failures we identified in this review, we believe that additional OIG oversight work is required to assess the FBI's compliance with Department and FBI FISA-related policies that seek to protect the civil liberties of U.S. persons. Accordingly, we have today initiated an OIG audit that will further examine the FBI's compliance with the Woods Procedures in FISA applications that target U.S. persons in both counterintelligence and counterterrorism investigations. This audit will be informed by the findings in this review, as well as by our prior work over the past 15 years on the Department's and FBI's use onational security and surveillance authorities, including authorities under FISA, as detailed in Chapter One.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (CQ3Qb)

113 Sessions is coming.

Huber is coming.

Horowitz is coming.

Durham is coming...YOU ARE HERE....

Posted by: Mobile Goal Posts at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (6A9Kg)

114 Control of the means of communication tends to dumb you down. Absolute control of the means of communication dumbs down absolutely.

This, then, is the story of Nadler and Schiff, et al.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (KZzsI)

115 So the answer is to have semi-annual training sessions in the FBI?So they have to be trained to not hate Trump?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (6XlcD)

116 So, based on the summary and the tweets, it boils down to "The FBI fouled up badly, violated procedures and rules, failed to perform defensive briefings, failed to vet intelligence, and the whole thing is sketchy as hell. That said, it's all predicated and generally okay and we recommend training for in-scope personnel."

Is that about right?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (I2dne)

117 "LITERAL BUREAUCRATIC DECIMATION NOW.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 09, 2019 01:10 PM (RD7QR) "



Actually, I'm thinking we need a new procedure, maybe call it "inverse decimation", where 1 in 10 gets to walk away.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (JwHjN)

118 I suppose nothing will come from this?

Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (tVQUs)

119 108
So Barr beg's to disagree. And he's the boss with the power to bring charges. I guess we wait.

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (X+a7J)

Actually, no. Today is the day we all go out and kill ourselves.
SEE?? Trump's presidency really *did* kill us all!!?!@!

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (DJFLF)

120
How far into the future?
/
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:14 PM (M9ntN)

=========

Good question.

I dunno.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz

=======

That was a joke. The answer is, as always, #TwoWeeks.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (M9ntN)

121 The IG report and Andrew McCabe agree the completely unverified and false Steele dossier was the central claims of fact used to get a FISA against Carter Page, and through him, to spy on Candidate Trump.

How does that not rate as a damning conclusion?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (NVYyb)

122
"Michael Horowitz, the Justice Department's highly respected inspector general"

----

"Lance Link, the highly respected captain of a garbage scow"

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (DHfRi)

123 Not a smidgen of scandal in Preezy Shit Midas' maladministration.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (pw+jk)

124 Can't make any statements about the punch or lack thereof in this report yet, since all we're getting are hot takes from people trying to spin it as desperately as possible to protect/benefit their side. You can't trust anything you're hearing about it, yet.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (KZzsI)

125 ..."evidence compiled by IG shows FBI "launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken"

What the f*cking F*ck does this mean? ... THINNEST of SUSPICIONS ... but its justified? ... AYFKM

Posted by: Pliney at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (nzKWW)

126 Voting our way out of this status:

[ ] are
[x] are not

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (x2wJm)

127 Nicole Wallace is such an arrogant, obnoxious bitch. She's a perfect example of the rot that is Vichy Republicans
Posted by: TheQuietMan


Yes. A true McCain acolyte along with Steven Schmidt.
Posted by: Cheri at December 09, 2019 01:18 PM (oiNtH)


That those two turds had major campaign responsibilities in a Presidential race shows what a shit show Paul Singer and other Top Men bankrolled at the GOP.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (y7DUB)

128 Mollie @MZHemingway
1m
IG says officials all agreed that they should launch massive counterintel probe on basis of that one uncorroborated tip and not tell campaign (which included US Sen. and future AG Jeff Sessions and former NJ Gov. Chris Christie, notably) in case they were all in on it.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (BqBId)

129 MAGA, what was that?

Horowitz is going to take a sledgehammer to the Deep State and there will be massive FBI raids of the perps simultaneous with the release of the report.
Posted by: MAGA at December 05, 2019 08:01 AM (I5LRE)



Horowitz didn't take a jeweler's hammer to a sugar cube.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (7jTtI)

130 Anybody got any idea why anybody was waiting for an IG report when they are of extremely narrow scope and are not designed to initiate criminal investigations (sure, if the IG happens upon a criminal act they are supposed to report it).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (1g7ch)

131

*puts on 3D glasses

Yep, it all makes perfect sense now.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...imperialist stooge at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (Fy0Aq)

132 misread.... nevermind ...

Posted by: Pliney at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (nzKWW)

133 Actually, I'm thinking we need a new procedure, maybe call it "inverse decimation", where 1 in 10 gets to walk away.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (JwHjN)



You would be that lenient?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (mpeBU)

134 NBC - Nothing to see here except; Orangemanbad.

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (gmo/4)

135 The 9/11 hijackers, in my opinion, took insufficient steps to avoid hitting buildings with their airplanes.

Posted by: AG Barr at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (Udx7m)

136 President Trump signed an executive order to investigate the 5,000 missing Native American and Eskimo Women and Children that disappear every year.

I think every FBI and DOJ employee and contractors (those noble, professionals) mentioned in this report should be assigned to distant Indian Reservations and Eskimo Villages to investigate these disappearances. They should continue to investigate the disappearances until A) they are found to be incompetent political hacks and fired; B) they quit in disgust; or C) they find or account for every woman and child, and bring their murderers to Justice.

Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (+0uDE)

137 Can't make any statements about the punch or lack thereof in this report yet, since all we're getting are hot takes from people trying to spin it as desperately as possible to protect/benefit their side. You can't trust anything you're hearing about it, yet.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


The report is out. Morons be reading it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (7jTtI)

138 We should divvy up the report between us so as to skim it more quickly.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (cK+AV)

139 So, rampant FISA abuses are the "new norm", I guess.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (vtcmf)


Come on my good man, trust the straight-shooting, honest, hard-working men and women of the FBI and DOJ, and besides, everyone makes a teensy little error of judgment now and again...

and again...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (BiNEL)

140 So diversity training then? Thats gonna hurt.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of oher people' at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (VqhL9)

141
Is that about right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

=====

Pretty much.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (M9ntN)

142
Good news tho, they're initiating an audit of FISA! So what?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (CQ3Qb)


You know the answer already: in bureaucratic world they have to do the audit first, before they do the reform.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (NVYyb)

143 WTF did he take so long to release this? They had it written back in 2016.

Posted by: Eli Cash at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (F8rys)

144 84 So, rampant FISA abuses are the "new norm", I guess.
Posted by: Notorious BFD



The abuse will only go one direction. Kind of like Journalistic 'errors' corrected a month later only go in one direction.

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (vN4+Q)

145 "We did not identify a specific Department policy prohibiting Ohr from meeting with Steele, Simpson, or the State Department and providing the information he learned from those meetings to the FBI."

"We concluded that Ohr committed consequential errors in judgment"

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (CQ3Qb)

146 However, as discussed above, relevant information was not shared with, and
consequently not considered by, the decision makers who ultimately decided to
support the applications. The failure to update 01 with accurate and complete
information resulted in FISA applications that made it appear that the evidence
supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (vEIlU)

147 We should divvy up the report between us so as to skim it more quickly.


Patience gives me more time for drinking.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (yQpMk)

148
We should divvy up the report between us so as to skim it more quickly.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

======

chapters 11 and 12 are the bottom line.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (M9ntN)

149 Anybody got any idea why anybody was waiting for an IG report when they are of extremely narrow scope and are not designed to initiate criminal investigations (sure, if the IG happens upon a criminal act they are supposed to report it).
Posted by: Burnt Toast


Because we were repeatedly told to wait for it when we said nothing would happen.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (7jTtI)

150 Where is Brian Cates? That dude was pretty convincing for a while.

Posted by: Eli Cash at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (F8rys)

151 I hope you all stocked up on the Federal Black Pack ammo sales while the rebate was going on.
I think we are going to need it.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (pw+jk)

152 We should divvy up the report between us so as to skim it more quickly.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (cK+AV)

********

I'll take the part with the pictures

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (flINI)

153 "We concluded that Ohr committed consequential errors in judgment"

If you and I were to have such "error" of judgement, we would be sitting in a jail cell

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (6XlcD)

154 So the answer is to have semi-annual training sessions in the FBI?So they have to be trained to not hate Trump?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (6XlcD)
..........

No, they will be trained to keep track of their car keys.

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 01:23 PM (v0R5T)

155 Come on my good man, trust the straight-shooting,
honest, hard-working men and women of the FBI and DOJ, and besides,
everyone makes a teensy little error of judgment now and again...



and again...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (BiNEL)

Not the rank and file.

Posted by: Hannity at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (VqhL9)

156 What, is the IG hourly?

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (gmo/4)

157 Weak fucking sauce.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (NWiLs)

158
The failure to update 01 with accurate and complete
information resulted in FISA applications that made it appear that the evidence
supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette

======

Insanity. The failure made it appear that the feds HAD a case when they DIDN'T.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (M9ntN)

159 We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applications
and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we
did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the
part of the case agents who assisted 01 in preparing the applications, or the agents
and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive
satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information....


eh?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (vEIlU)

160 The report is out. Morons be reading it.

And in a day or so, people will be informed enough to have an intelligent and useful contribution. But not yet. And probably not even then from the pundits who wrote all their columns last night.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (KZzsI)

161 Y'know, when I was a youth in the negro South, we had a game we'd play every night before bed, after Pops turned off the Philco. We had candles, we were so poor. I mean poor. Candlelight and sauerkraut poor. What the game was, you got to smack yourself in the head with a fruit jar. Like a Ball jar but I always preferred Mason. Anyways, whoever broke the jar upside their head got to blow out the candles before we all went to the bed. I always won that game. Yessir, I'm proud of that and that's why I need to be your President.

Posted by: Old uncle Joe at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (GBBOD)

162 Is there anything in the report about lying to FISA judges? Or is that just remedied with a training class?

Posted by: Eli Cash at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (F8rys)

163 Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (1g7ch)

Because I want the Left to be convicted in the court of public opinion almost as much as in a court of law. Unfortunately if the IG report can be spun as expected , that's not going to happen.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (2DOZq)

164 page 44

"According to FBI training materials, "everyone in the FISA process" relies on the case agent's signature on the Woods Form verifying that the factual assertions
contained in the application are accurate."

How cute. They all sign forms under penalty of perjury, but in reliance on only one person.

A built-in "we're not guilty, we're gullible" defense. Yeesh.

Posted by: jc at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (PuMKG)

165 "Performance failures"

you think?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (vEIlU)

166 Page 408:

"As we described earlier in connection with the FBI's decision not to conduct defensive briefings to the Trump campaign about the information the FBI received from the FFG, we did not identify an Department or FBI policy that applied to that decision and determined that those decisions are judgement calls left to the discretion of FBI officials." Similarly, we did not identify any Department or FBI policy or guidance that specifically addresses using FBI counterintelligence and security briefings to members of political campaigns for investigative purposes, as occurred in Crossfire Hurricane. We believe there should be."

---

And yet the Washington Examiner reported on June 23, 2019 that the FBI gave two different counter-intel briefings to the campaigns of Clinton and Trump. So how can there not be a case of bias on behalf of the FBI leaders (who make these 'judgement calls') in providing one type of briefing to one candidate and another type to another candidate -- especially if there is concern that THAT candidate might be more susceptible to foreign influence or the campaign internally compromised.

There HAD to be a conscious reason for changing it up but the report skips right over it and moves on.

Posted by: Nevyan at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (J4uXz)

167 If only there was an entity that could begin a large and in depth investigation into the IC, akin to the Church Committee. It would have to be powerful, something on the order of the US Senate.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)

168 We should divvy up the report between us so EVERYBODY HAS SOME BUTTWIPES.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 09, 2019 01:22 PM (cK+AV)
.........

minor edit

Posted by: wth at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (v0R5T)

169 What a piece of shit.

Right on the first page:

Our role in this review was not to second-guess
discretionary judgments by Department personnel
about whether to open an investigation, or specific
judgment calls made during the course of an
investigation, where those decisions complied with or
were authorized by Department rules, policies, or
procedures. We do not criticize particular decisions
merely because we might have recommended a
different investigative strategy or tactic based on the
facts learned during our investigation. The question we
considered was not whether a particular investigative
decision was ideal or could have been handled more
effectively, but rather whether the Department and the
FBI complied with applicable legal requirements,
policies, and procedures in taking the actions we
reviewed or, alternatively, whether the circumstances
surrounding the decision indicated that it was based on inaccurate or incomplete information, or considerations
other than the merits of the investigation.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (so+oy)

170 Hows that working for everyone?

Trump isn't going to be impeached.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (KZzsI)

171 The IG does. He send criminal referrals to the DoJ. THEN the DoJ declines to prosecute.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:19 PM (7jTtI)

--

Ha. Close it up.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I support medically approved diets for anorexics who are trapped in fat girls' bodies at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (3rtj0)

172 In my day, we executed kings for less.


Posted by: Cromwell's Ghost at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (rSVGg)

173 the subversion of the foundation is so significant that this "resistance" may truly be the last note played by the dream of the Founders. Hamilton's fears realized. vote of the Electoral Congress overturned by partisans. (the collusion not seen was "the media". whose ability to direct thoughts of voters could not be foreseen. But they did know that citizens needed to be educated and wise. What a little dumbing down of K-12 can do.

Posted by: politics uber alles at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (0hOKG)

174 Top of the world ma! - Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the FBI

Posted by: Archer at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (gmo/4)

175 America is nothing but a colony for our corporatist and globalist masters. Sounds like TL;DR of the report is Dindu Nuffins and cant be held accountable, responsible, and face consequences for accidents.
*spit*

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (emUSt)

176 130 MAGA, what was that?

Horowitz is going to take a sledgehammer to the Deep State and there will be massive FBI raids of the perps simultaneous with the release of the report.
Posted by: MAGA at December 05, 2019 08:01 AM (I5LRE)


Horowitz didn't take a jeweler's hammer to a sugar cube.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2019 01:21 PM (7jTtI)

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Sorry, my bad. I meant mandatory training sessions.



Posted by: MAGA at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (bloh/)

177 That said, it's all predicated and generally okay and we recommend training for in-scope personnel."

Is that about right?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2019 01:20 PM (I2dne)


Well all except the "All Expenses Paid Cushy Resort Training" part!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (BiNEL)

178 So, does it come down to "their intent was good, because OrangeManBad, so we won't recommend prosecution?"

Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (bFkYZ)

179 Our role in this review was not to second-guess
discretionary judgments by Department personnel
about whether to open an investigation
...............

In other words.. Not my job!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (so+oy)

180 "As discussed in Chapter Ten, we determined that, during the 2016 presidential campaign, the Crossfire Hurricane team tasked several CHSs, which resulted in multiple interactions with Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, both before and after they were affiliated with the Trump campaign, and one with a high-level Trump campaign official who was not a subject of the investigation. All of these CHS interactions were consensuall y monitored and recorded by the FBI. As noted above, under Department and FBI policy, the use of a CHS to conduct consensual monitoring is a matter of investigative judgment that, absent certain circumstances, can be authorized by a first-line supervisor (a supervisory special agent). We determined that the CHS operations conducted during Crossfire Hurricane received the necessary FBI approvals, and that AD Priestap knew about, and approved of, all of the Crossfire Hurricane CHS operations, even in circumstances where a first-level supervisory special agent could have approved the operations. We found no evidence that the FBI used CHSs or UCEs to interact with members of the Trump campaign prior to the opening of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation."

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (CQ3Qb)

181 So they're saying Crossfire Hurricane was legitimate based on Papadopoulos telling Downer the Russians had dirt on Hillary.

I guess nobody thought to ask where Papadopoulos got that information?

Perhaps Barr and Durham are wondering about that.

Posted by: cpurick at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (7YrFp)

182
"We concluded that Ohr committed consequential errors in judgment"

Posted by: It's me donna

=======

Yo Inspector, would a consequential error in judgment be like getting behind the wheel of a truck while you're stone drunk and then killing five pedestrians?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (M9ntN)

183 IG previously reported (contrary to some claims recently made in media) and states again that texts were "not only indicative of a biased state of mind but, even more seriously, impl[y] a willingness to take official action to impact [Trump's] electoral prospects."

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (BqBId)

184 oh well, back to werk.
Tonypete, if you show up here, I just got the chance to look at your kitchen you posted on the Food Thread. Is that five different stains on the cabinets?

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (DJFLF)

185 *sniff* I smell whitewash.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2019 01:26 PM (61e6C)

186
89 Miss Page, I hope you brought enough gum for everyone in the room.
Posted by: Lisa Page's Third Grade Teacher at December 09, 2019 01:17 PM (9vQJW)

...and in traffic, there is a five mile backup approaching the Lisa Page Memorial tunnel....

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (e1mEI)

187 The last of the IG's conclusions...

"The FBI should review the performance of all employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, for any action deemed appropriate."

I'm sure they'll get right on it.

Posted by: MJ at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (gAMkn)

188 171 What a piece of shit.

Right on the first page:

Our role in this review was not to second-guess
discretionary judgments by Department personnel
about whether to open an investigation, or specific
judgment calls made during the course of an
investigation, where those decisions complied with or
were authorized by Department rules, policies, or
procedures. We do not criticize particular decisions
merely because we might have recommended a
different investigative strategy or tactic based on the
facts learned during our investigation. The question we
considered was not whether a particular investigative
decision was ideal or could have been handled more
effectively, but rather whether the Department and the
FBI complied with applicable legal requirements,
policies, and procedures in taking the actions we
reviewed or, alternatively, whether the circumstances
surrounding the decision indicated that it was based on inaccurate or incomplete information, or considerations
other than the merits of the investigation.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (so+oy)

Well, that certainly seems like a lot of words.

Posted by: J. Peterman at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (Izzlo)

189 For these reasons, we recommend that the FBI review the performance of
the employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or
approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior
officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, and take any
action deemed appropriate. In addition, given the extensive compliance failures we
identified in this review, we believe that additional OIG oversight work is required
to assess the FBI's compliance with Department and FBI FISA-related policies that
seek to protect the civil liberties of U.S. persons. Accordingly, we have initiated an
OIG audit that will further examine the FBI's compliance with the Woods Procedures
in FISA applications that target U.S. persons in both counterintelligence and
counterterrorism investigations. This audit will be informed by the findings in this
review, as well as by our prior work over the past 15 years on the Department's
and FBI's use of national security and surveillance authorities, including authorities
under FISA, as detailed in Chapter One.


Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (vEIlU)

190 Hows that working for everyone?
Posted by: LOL

Scrawls LOL on 30 06 shell

In the end it will work out just fine AH

Posted by: Sock Monkey...imperialist stooge at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (Fy0Aq)

191 I think Carter Page, George Pappadopolous, and anyone that was surveilled under these FISA Warrants should sue the federal government and every asshole mentioned in this report for violations of their civil rights.

If we cannot put them in jail, put them in bankruptcy.

Posted by: rd at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (+0uDE)

192 167
"Performance failures"



you think?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (vEIlU)

Oh great, now they'll get free Viagra.

Posted by: Hannity at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (VqhL9)

193 We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applications and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the part of the case agents who assisted 01 in preparing the applications, or the agents and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information....

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 09, 2019 01:24 PM (vEIlU)

So "Mistakes were made", and "We need better training".

Oh, and you didn't "receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information". Why do you think that might be, Inspector Magoo?

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (77WPm)

194 If Barr is actually dismayed, maybe he'll start doing his f*cking job.

Posted by: OCBill at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (M7Utf)

195 To big to fail.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (emUSt)

196 Could not find documentary evidence or get confessions that directly reflect on political bias.

The ABC News tweet flips the entire thing on its head.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (hYUjK)

197 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2019 01:25 PM (so+oy)
*********
Now go read Barr's

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 09, 2019 01:27 PM (BqBId)

198 Harvey Weinstein launched