Why Did It Take Two Weeks for the Media to Report on the Parkland Students' Astroturfing?

I wrote a bit about David Hines' thoughts on this Wednesday -- he had written a bit on Twitter.

The Federalist knew a story when they saw one, so they commissioned him to write a real piece.

"Can you believe these kids?" Itís been a recurring theme of the coverage of the Parkland school shooting: the remarkable effectiveness of the high school students who created a gun control organization in the wake of the massacre. In seemingly no time, the magical kids had organized events ranging from a national march to a mass school walkout, and they'd brought in a million dollars in donations from Oprah Winfrey and George Clooney.

The Miami Herald credited their success to the school's stellar debate program. The Wall Street Journal said it was because they were born online, and organizing was instinctive.

On February 28, BuzzFeed came out with the actual story: Rep. Debbie Wassermann Schultz aiding in the lobbying in Tallahassee, a teacherís union organizing the buses that got the kids there, Michael Bloomberg's groups and the Womenís March working on the upcoming March For Our Lives, MoveOn.org doing social media promotion and (potentially) march logistics, and training for student activists provided by federally funded Planned Parenthood.

The president of the American Federation of Teachers told BuzzFeed they're also behind the national school walkout, which journalists had previously assured the public was the sole work of a teenager. (I'd thought teachers were supposed to get kids into school, but maybe thatís just me.)

In other words, the response was professionalized.

That's not surprising, because this is what organization that gets results actually looks like. It's not a bunch of magical kids in somebody's living room. Nor is it surprising that the professionalization happened right off the bat. Broward County's teacherís union is militant, and Rep. Ted Lieu stated on Twitter that his family knows Parkland student activist David Hogg's family, so there were plenty of opportunities for grown-ups with resources and skills to connect the kids.

That's before you get to whether any of them had been involved in the Womenís March. According to BuzzFeed, Wassermann Schultz was running on day two.

Whatís striking about all this isn't the organization. If you start reading books about organizing, it's clear how it all works. But no journalist covering the story wrote about this stuff for two weeks. Instead, every story was about the Parkland kids being magically effective.

On Twitter, I lost track of the number of bluechecks rhapsodizing over how effective the kids' organizational instincts were. But organizing isnít instinctive. It's skilled work; you have to learn how to do it, and it takes really a lot of people. You don't just get a few magical kids whoíre amazing and naturally good at it.

The rest of the piece details the hard work and many man-hours required to organize this sort of "spontaneous, organic" uprising by Magical Kids. A lot of phone calls, a lot of combing through online petitions to find contact information for people who can be asked to show up at a rally, etc.

The media, of course, knew all this. They knew that when they called up these Magical Kids for TV shots, they were actually talking with the Magical Kids' not-so-magical Hollywood publicity agents. And they surely knew their Democrat pals like Debbie Wasserman Schultz were helping the Magical Kids cast some spells.

But they hid this, because they wanted the Magical Kids storyline.

That's only part of Hines' point, though -- he also wants the right to know that this is how organizing is done, and if this appears to be "magical" to people on the right, it's because we're not doing it ourselves to see the "magic" is in fact just professional organization.

We need to get better at this.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:26 PM




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1 It's almost like they had all the plans in place ready to execute at a moment's notice.

Posted by: Shep at March 02, 2018 01:21 PM (jxbfJ)

2 Hey, maybe the kids went to Hogwarts?

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at March 02, 2018 01:22 PM (Lz888)

3 Everything takes #TwoWeeks.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Hamsters at March 02, 2018 01:22 PM (vtcmf)

4 the " children of Florida " clearly elected boss Hogg as their voice...such bullshit

Posted by: CN at March 02, 2018 01:22 PM (W4xXw)

5 One given to conspiracy theories might well see one here.

harrumph.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 02, 2018 01:23 PM (gDq6o)

6 2 Hogg-warts

Posted by: CN at March 02, 2018 01:23 PM (W4xXw)

7 -1 We need to get better at this.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:26 PM

We have jobs.

Posted by: Hikaru at March 02, 2018 01:24 PM (CMbMd)

8 We get outclassed often in the PR game. After all these years the best we can come up with against one of the worst offenders is the term 'Main Stream Media'.

Oh my, what a searing cut that is. Every time it is used it legitimizes our intended target.

This is a game played for keeps, we better get busy at it.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 02, 2018 01:24 PM (HN0N1)

9 The MFM didn't report it because democrat.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 02, 2018 01:24 PM (mpXpK)

10 That Hogg kid is annoying... He's got a very punch-able face


I denounce myself

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:24 PM (O2RFr)

11 professional organization or professional exploitation?

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at March 02, 2018 01:25 PM (RKQ/v)

12 I teach a lot of kids in Sunday School. I have taught preschool, elementary, middle and high school and university level. There is no way kids below the age of 18 are organized enough to pull off something of this great a logistical endeavor without professional help. It really irks me that Oprah and her ilk are so sycophantic towards them, without being realistic.

But I guess that's why they are actors. That's how they view life.

Posted by: moki at March 02, 2018 01:25 PM (V+V48)

13 5 One given to conspiracy theories might well see one here.

harrumph.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 02, 2018 01:23 PM (gDq6o)

Speaking of conspiracy theories, did I not read this very post on the 'hq yesterday? Or am I losing my mind?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:25 PM (F5+ro)

14 You have to ask?

Posted by: Clock Boy at March 02, 2018 01:25 PM (O5Q3r)

15 Useful idiots.

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 02, 2018 01:25 PM (xBSm0)

16 I believe the chirruns are our future. Indoctrinate them well and let them lead the way.

Posted by: Maxi Waters at March 02, 2018 01:25 PM (vtcmf)

17 I'm surprised it's reported on at all.

But then, really, if it leaks, so what ?
Not like anything's gonna change, or anyone will get fired / be prosecuted.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 02, 2018 01:26 PM (e11dj)

18 And for my next trick,I will pull Reggie's dick out of my ass!
Barack

Posted by: steevy at March 02, 2018 01:26 PM (LiyEm)

19 9 The MFM didn't report it because democrat.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 02, 2018 01:24 PM (mpXpK)

Right. The reason "the right" doesn't do this is because we don't have 95%+ of the media in our pocket.

This only works if the media is on your side.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:26 PM (F5+ro)

20 That's only part of Hines' point, though -- he also wants the right to know that this is how organizing is done, and if this appears to be "magical" to people on the right, it's because we're not doing it ourselves to see the "magic" is in fact just professional organization.

We need to get better at this.



Give me a million dollars and I'll build an effective organization.

As it stands, I'll have to build one from scratch from my living room.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 01:26 PM (0R8lo)

21 16 I believe the chirruns are our future. Indoctrinate them well and let them lead the way.
Posted by: Maxi Waters

And in -pech fordi fie!

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:26 PM (O2RFr)

22 Posting links is a fucking chore.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:27 PM (Ckg4U)

23 17 I'm surprised it's reported on at all.

But then, really, if it leaks, so what ?
Not like anything's gonna change, or anyone will get fired / be prosecuted.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 02, 2018 01:26 PM (e11dj)

Eh, I think it's because they can't help themselves. They want to rub it in our faces how successful they think they are at tricking the LIVs. They know the LIVs will never hear about it, because, media.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:27 PM (F5+ro)

24 Why?

Because they needed the time for the lie to set in and become 'fact'.

Posted by: garrett at March 02, 2018 01:27 PM (g5KCb)

25 Speaking of conspiracy theories, did I not read this very post on the 'hq yesterday? Or am I losing my mind?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes



Yes

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 01:27 PM (0R8lo)

26 I like the name "Camera Hogg" for him. Thanks to whichever poster coined that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 02, 2018 01:27 PM (8+Ozj)

27 But they hid this, because they wanted the Magical Kids storyline.

Exactly so. They're counting on the average LIV/short attention span voter to have absorbed this part of it, and pay little or no attention to the AstroTurf angle. Had the AstroTurf facts come out earlier, there would have been less credibility given to the WonderKids from the start, and it would have distracted from the narrative.

Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 01:28 PM (NWiLs)

28 As it stands, I'll have to build one from scratch from my living room.

"Worked great for us!"
--Bill Ayers and Bronco Bama

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 01:28 PM (39g3+)

29 26 I like the name "Camera Hogg" for him. Thanks to whichever poster coined that.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 02, 2018 01:27 PM (8+Ozj)

You're welcome!

Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 01:28 PM (NWiLs)

30 Let the chirruns Tide Pods remind us how we used to not be.

Posted by: Maxi Waters at March 02, 2018 01:28 PM (vtcmf)

31 It's also notable how they culled all the kids who might have an opposing viewpoint. I'm curious about the kids who keep showing up on tv. Are any of them freshmen who were in the building where the murders took place or are they all survivors who were nowhere near the actual shooting and in no real danger at all?

Posted by: huerfano at March 02, 2018 01:28 PM (EtMVh)

32
Right. The reason "the right" doesn't do this is because we don't have 95%+ of the media in our pocket.

This only works if the media is on your side.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:26 PM (F5

Right you are

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:29 PM (O2RFr)

33 At this point, you have to be willfully ignorant to not know that ALL anti-gun protests are backed by Nanny Bloomberg.

Posted by: Hikaru at March 02, 2018 01:29 PM (CMbMd)

34 Hogg has already started to fade from the public eye, he wore out his welcome pretty quickly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 01:29 PM (39g3+)

35 As it stands, I'll have to build one from scratch from my living room.

"Worked great for us!"
--Bill Ayers and Bronco Bama
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


They still had a shitload of cash backing them.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 01:29 PM (0R8lo)

36 What books have you read about organizing?

Posted by: Johnny Eaglestallion at March 02, 2018 01:29 PM (JkygK)

37 I work , pay taxes and post at aos. I don't have time to organize crap like this.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 02, 2018 01:29 PM (oOYbM)

38
We need to get better at this.

In the end nothing of consequence will be different. Young adults who can't deal with adult prescription levels of anti-depressants will flip out and kill again, with any means available.

Posted by: ACME Triple-Strength Fortified Leg Muscle Vitamins at March 02, 2018 01:29 PM (2FqvZ)

39 29 26 I like the name "Camera Hogg" for him. Thanks to whichever poster coined that.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 02, 2018 01:27 PM (8+Ozj)

You're welcome!
Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 01:28 PM (NWiLs)

That's better than chopped liver, Insomniac. Hugs to you. How is it going?

Posted by: moki at March 02, 2018 01:30 PM (V+V48)

40 I like the suggestion from the Morning Report: "Parkland Mass Murderer". NOT "Parkland Shooter".

Posted by: KT at March 02, 2018 01:30 PM (BVQ+1)

41 Like Harry said above, all this "organizing" stuff only matters if you are favored by the crude, North Korean-style propaganda and advocacy system known as the "press".


These kids could be destroyed from the first minute on TV by any half-way intelligent interviewer. Their "cause" is stupid, old, familiar, discredited, and unpopular outside the usual NPR-stupid demo. The kids themselves are not very smart, and every bit as unworldly as you'd expect from suburban teens.



Posted by: rhomboid at March 02, 2018 01:30 PM (QDnY+)

42 34 Hogg has already started to fade from the public eye, he wore out his welcome pretty quickly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 01:29 PM (39g3+)

His admission into Harvard is secure, he doesn't need to be on TV anymore.

Posted by: Hikaru at March 02, 2018 01:30 PM (CMbMd)

43 Breaking: Taco Bell has halted all sales of Burritos of Mass Destruction. Another win for Parkland!

Posted by: Under Fire at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (r9UYA)

44 It is time we started listening to the children...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lDgugq8cfg

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (Ckg4U)

45 Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 02, 2018 01:24 PM (HN0N1)

We ceded the "language war" decades ago.

...And it's interesting, because the academic left has been on to something for a long time that studies are now starting to semi confirm... a lot of thought is a slave to the language.

As in your brain operates differently depending on which language(s) you speak. The way you form sentences affects the way you think.

Anyways, it's an interesting hypothesis, but it is undoubtedly true that saying things like "mainstream media" only reinforces to LIVs that that's the media to listen to.

"Oh, the mainstream? I like mainstream! I don't want to listen to the alternative media!"

...And the left wins every battle like this.

For example, when we're talking about Obamacare these days, what does EVERYONE (left, right, media, etc) say?

"healthcare."

As in, "Republicans want to repeal healthcare."

Now... that's not what we're talking about, but to a LIV -- I mean, who the hell is in favor of abolishing HEALTHCARE?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (F5+ro)

46 "We have jobs."

Has no job.
\/

Posted by: Johnny Eaglestallion at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (JkygK)

47 It's also notable how they culled all the kids who might have an opposing viewpoint.

Sure, that high school is so big they have a whole set of separate buildings for Freshmen alone. Its like a university. Thousands and thousands of kids are going to it, and like 6 are showing up everywhere acting like they speak for every teen everywhere.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (39g3+)

48 ...which reminds me, I'm going back to saying what I used to always say when I first found this place.

Harvard must be destroyed. Nuke Cambridge.

Posted by: Hikaru at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (CMbMd)

49 It's really striking how much the left wants to make arguments that you're just not allowed to push back on.

- Woman takes some batshit SJW position. Anyone who argues is either Mansplaining, or a sellout.

- Minority pushes leftist line. You disagree? Check your privilege! You're a minority too and you disagree? Traitor!

- Here, let's put these kids front and center to push for new gun control. You want to argue with them? You cruel bastard, picking on *children.* Who just got shot at and saw friends killed.

Why persuade when you can demand the right for your opponent to shut up and take it?

Posted by: JPS at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (mCtaO)

50 Wait.

People assumed that the kids all organized that themselves? Do these people presume to know any actual teenagers?

Scratch that - do these people know any actual real adults?

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Live Life to The Foulest! Grouse & Grumble Gear on Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (hLRSq)

51 They need better lookers than chinless and shaved head girl... What happened to the blond that was with them.?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (O2RFr)

52 It's almost like they had all the plans in place ready to execute at a moment's notice.

*waves*

Hiya!

Posted by: Obamacare at March 02, 2018 01:32 PM (NF2Bf)

53
A great silence always strikes for the heart. That way is ever present.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi Galore at March 02, 2018 01:32 PM (2FqvZ)

54 you also need a group for the organizing efforts to form around. A face for the movement.

aborted fetuses won't play well.

who will our sympathetic victims be?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 02, 2018 01:32 PM (h/uSM)

55 >>We need to get better at this.



YES

We need to be emulating Trump, too.
The king of pushback, Alinsky's got nothing on him.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2018 01:32 PM (W+vEI)

56 Just think about much organizing and planning has already been done for the camps. All that's needed now is their "trigger."

Posted by: Fritz at March 02, 2018 01:32 PM (bJ0w+)

57 Breaking: Taco Bell has halted all sales of Burritos of Mass Destruction. Another win for Parkland!



Posted by: Under Fire at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM


FIFY.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 02, 2018 01:32 PM (p+Wdc)

58 Anyways, it's an interesting hypothesis, but it is undoubtedly true that saying things like "mainstream media" only reinforces to LIVs that that's the media to listen to.



I think we clean up MSM for Ace's sake, since most of us probably call it the MFM. Although at this point, I'm thinking we may as well just say it to their face. They can't scream any louder can they? They seem to have reached top decibel.

Posted by: moki at March 02, 2018 01:32 PM (V+V48)

59 I bet none of these kids could quote the one sentence long 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (oOYbM)

60 Owen Benjamin rocks.

#BigBear.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (Ckg4U)

61 because when you are a crowd shill in the three card montie scam you don't tell the marks:

"PSSSST Its rigged and I'm part of the team!"

Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (si3bG)

62 OT - the Trumpentwatter is classic this morning. Combo of chirpy policy advocacy and a slam at Alec Baldwin. Hilarious.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (QDnY+)

63 Why Did It Take Two Weeks for the Media to Report on the Parkland Students' Astroturfing?

1) The astroturfing was very, very secret and hidden from view and it took a long time to uncover it.

2) The astoturfing was actually very public, but the Media did not report because they were a part of the astroturfing campaign.

3) The astroturfing was actually very public, but the Media felt that it wasn't an important part of the story because, well, reasons.

4) Shut up wingnut!

Take your pick. I am sure there are other reasons.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (jHrzU)

64 An example of a successful organized group on the right is the NRA

Probably why they were made the designated villain in this saga.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (RKQ/v)

65 Remember the picture that was posted yesterday of the kids on their protest bus all smiling and hamming it up for the camera?

Poor little dears looked absolutely devastated.

Posted by: Cheri at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (oiNtH)

66 These kids could be destroyed from the first minute on TV by any half-way intelligent interviewer. Their "cause" is stupid, old, familiar, discredited, and unpopular outside the usual NPR-stupid demo. The kids themselves are not very smart, and every bit as unworldly as you'd expect from suburban teens.

---

i have not seen them paired on camera with anyone who disagrees with them.

Loesch vs. Hogg would be a hoot. so never gonna happen.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (h/uSM)

67 56 Just think about much organizing and planning has already been done for the camps. All that's needed now is their "trigger."

Obviously they were waiting in the wings... Seven thousand for a "town hall" on that short notice and all on their anti- Trump, I mean gun, side?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:34 PM (O2RFr)

68 We need to get better at this.

If only more time was spent on organizing and less time on hating Trump imagine how much could get done.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 02, 2018 01:34 PM (zRZaJ)

69 I've been looking for freelance work on a couple of websites; every month there are at least two job postings for organizers, communications managers, digital editors or researchers for lefty organizations.

All nonprofits, all "Institutes" or Organizations" or "Action for" for 'United" whatevers. I have not seen posts for gigs with groups on the other side of the spectrum. And there are a ton of single issue organizations that join in, too.

that's part of the reality; they have fundraising experts, and email lists, phone banks, social media accounts, and tons of actual cash donations from Clooney and Oprah and lefty CEO's and in kind donations from corporations and colleges. The closest we had was the Tea Party and the MSM went after them big time.

Posted by: vivi at March 02, 2018 01:34 PM (11H2y)

70 This is in its own way just like how Hillary launders her Russky collusion through the DNC, which lauders it through Perkins Coie and an English intelligence operative intermediary.

The Democrats are basically a giant lie-laundering operation.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 02, 2018 01:35 PM (W/SyC)

71 #Hogg sucks.

Stop Listening to Children.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:35 PM (Ckg4U)

72
Carlson 1:1

As G-d is my witness I thought turkeys could fly.

Posted by: James Comey, teetering closer to the edge of the abyss at March 02, 2018 01:35 PM (2FqvZ)

73 Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (RKQ/v)

How many NRA member interviews did you see in the news or in the papers?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 02, 2018 01:35 PM (oOYbM)

74 But the SJWs on social media are all aflutter since they have evidence Tucker and Hannity LIED ... cuz that one kid said CNN "scripted" what the wanted him to say (but left out that CNN used his own words, but told him which question to ask)

But the kid did say it mostly correctly ... CNN organized the event and chose which questions would be asked, and most of course were the gun control kids. But indeed the event was SCRIPTED, even if the questions were chosen out of what the kids wrote.

It was not an open forum, it was a scripted event. SJWs won't accept that ... no, just very smart kids that need the vote at 16.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 02, 2018 01:35 PM (bT8Z4)

75 It's predictable to see the weak Republican cucks folding like a used condom.

The GOP is a useless pile of dogshit.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 02, 2018 01:35 PM (r9UYA)

76 Plus, you know, people on the right have jobs and responsibilities.

Posted by: vivi at March 02, 2018 01:35 PM (11H2y)

77 The media circus and kid crusade thing raised like 3 million dollars already. So that money wil wind up in the DNC's currently broke coffers.

A more cynical man might suggest that the parkland shooting was turned into a DNC fundraiser.

Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (XCwZQ)

78 Kids eat their own boogers.

#Notworthy

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (Ckg4U)

79 It's really striking how much the left wants to make arguments that you're just not allowed to push back on.

Well they do it because it works. Create unassailable victim with Absolute Moral Authority (m) and then watch as Republicans quail and surrender.

Trump don't play that.

He goes ahead and assails. People were all like OMG he's attacking Gold Star Family this is the end!!!

Who won that engagement? And the next one?

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (jHrzU)

80
The GOP is a useless pile of dogshit.

On that we can agree

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (O2RFr)

81 I use the term State Media in casual conversations.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (gDq6o)

82 Tru Valu Hardware has stopped selling Grenades, in solidarity with these brave teens!

Remember the picture that was posted yesterday of the kids on their protest bus all smiling and hamming it up for the camera?

They posted a selfie celebrating with biggg smiles about how they were going to go on Ellen Degeneres show to talk about how tragic and sad the shootings were. Yeah, they really seem to give a crap about those 17 dead, all grinning and cheering.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (39g3+)

83 I was told it was callous and crass to question the integrity and motive of these hurting children.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Stay Woke! - Leigon of Gloom founding memeber/too sweet at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (IYHxL)

84 RICO

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (KwTdE)

85 Kids in the hall

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (IqV8l)

86 Breaking: Taco Bell has halted all sales of Burritos of Mass Destruction. Another win for Parkland!
-------------
Now that is some funny shit

Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 02, 2018 01:37 PM (y3aQB)

87 *ahem*

Posted by: Ahmed the Boy Genius What Took Apart a Clock at March 02, 2018 01:37 PM (W/SyC)

88 RICO

Sigh.

Posted by: The Maytag Repairman at March 02, 2018 01:37 PM (vtcmf)

89 75 It's predictable to see the weak Republican cucks folding like a used condom.

The GOP is a useless pile of dogshit.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 02, 2018 01:35 PM (r9UYA)

The GOPe wants the "Great Unwashed Inbreds of Jesusland" liquidated just as much as the Demoncrats do.

Posted by: Hikaru at March 02, 2018 01:37 PM (CMbMd)

90 "As it stands, I'll have to build one from scratch from my living room.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 01:26 PM (0R8lo)"


And for realz, with no million dollars or professional PR firms.
And 99 % of the media against you.

Kinda where our side finds itself on every issue, every time.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 02, 2018 01:37 PM (e11dj)

91 a news cycle allows the MFM to set the narrative, and by "set" I mean tattoo it in the brains of their SJWs forever. The narrative must be upheld.

Truth that comes out in two weeks ... doesn't matter, the history is written, emotional wave has been ridden, old news to find out the truth.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 02, 2018 01:38 PM (bT8Z4)

92 56 Just think about much organizing and planning has already been done for the camps. All that's needed now is their "trigger."

Obviously they were waiting in the wings... Seven thousand for a "town hall" on that short notice and all on their anti- Trump, I mean gun, side?
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:34 PM (O2RFr)

Well, what is it that everyone thinks Bloombergs (and others) millions of dollars are for?

Occasional ad buys, sure.

But mostly for on the ground "organizing."

They almost definitely have pre-written, focus group and polled scripts ready to go for any killing involving a gun. They have "allies" on the ground (unions and professional left wing agitators) ready to show up at protests, they have their talking heads lined up.... and as soon as a shooting or whatever happens, I guarantee they have people on the ground coordinating with the media to find people to put in front of CNN's cameras to advance the anti-gun agenda.

It's kind of brilliant, really.

BUt again -- this all only works if the media is on your side. If CNN intros the clip with "the NRA set up this interview with us and booked the son of an NRA lifetime member who wanted to talk to us about this shooting. Mr. Stupid Child Whose Father Probably Hates Minorities, how do you feel about the NRA killing your classmates?" it doesn't work.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:38 PM (F5+ro)

93 Of course the whole

"victims requiring government action" goes against the core of non-statists worldview.

we want to disorganize things, not further organize them.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 02, 2018 01:38 PM (h/uSM)

94 Give me a million dollars and I'll build an effective organization.
=====

Within two days very public pledges of $500K each came from Oprah, Clooney and Bloomberg. Lots more uncounted, as of yet.

Absolutely Astroturfed, and if it is not recognized, they'll all get away with it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 02, 2018 01:39 PM (MIKMs)

95 78 Kids eat their own boogers.

#Notworthy
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (Ckg4U)

---

i'm still a kid at heart

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 02, 2018 01:39 PM (h/uSM)

96 Cheri, I said yesterday that I wondered if anyone out there was compiling all the photos and videos of the stupid Khmer Rouge kids hamming it up, all smiles, posing in various situations as they traveled the country to barf up their idiocy on stupid TV shows for the dumbed down populace. There are many - I've seen half a dozen just in daily browsing.


So kids who are unimpressive even for their age, who happened to be at the same school but knew none of the actual victims, who have no expertise or experience or knowledge of any kind, are to tell the country about a subject they know literally nothing about?


If you can have someone like Obama as president (hell, as a city councilman), the sky's the limit.


Posted by: rhomboid at March 02, 2018 01:39 PM (QDnY+)

97 The GOPe wants the "Great Unwashed Inbreds of Jesusland" liquidated just as much as the Demoncrats do.

Yep. We're a painful boil on their spoon-fed arses.

Posted by: The Maytag Repairman at March 02, 2018 01:39 PM (vtcmf)

98 Breaking: Taco Bell has halted all sales of Burritos of Mass Destruction.

I can pretty much guarantee they'll massively destroy my guts still.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 01:39 PM (39g3+)

99 I was told it was callous and crass to question the integrity and motive of these hurting children.
Posted by: thathalfrican



What's callous & crass is to continue letting them eat Tide Pods.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 01:39 PM (0R8lo)

100 Trump supporters call child victims of mass shooting "liars"....

Posted by: CNN Chyron at March 02, 2018 01:40 PM (W/SyC)

101 Rugged individualists, unite!!

Posted by: Muldoon at March 02, 2018 01:40 PM (wPiJc)

102 100 Trump supporters call child victims of mass shooting "liars"....
Posted by: CNN Chyron

Good one! Oh, wait, they actually did that

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:40 PM (O2RFr)

103
What's callous & crass is to continue letting them eat Tide Pods.
===========
Don't knock it till you try it. They grow on you after the first one . . .

Posted by: Chuck Schumer at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM (Hss8S)

104 The GOP is a useless pile of dogshit.



On that we can agree

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM


I object to that vile slur! At least I can be used as fertilizer.

Posted by: A pile of dogshit at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM (p+Wdc)

105 The closest we had was the Tea Party and the MSM went after them big time.

Posted by: vivi at March 02, 2018 01:34 PM (11H2y)

Exactly. It has the opposite effect of helping any causes if the media can immediately isolate any effort and with a united MSM voice try to destroy it.

... I don't know the answer, but THIS is why the MSM is so dangerous. They control the narrative. We really have no way to fight them on narratives.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM (F5+ro)

106
The problem with the right organizing is I remember the Tea Party. Nothing but abuse from the MFM. It did help flip Congress though, but that may have happened anyway.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM (r+sAi)

107 The left has these advantages because they have organizations funded through political grifting (like public employee unions). they built up this infrastructure over decades by taking money from others and building a professional protest infrastructure.

The right doesn't have this because the right doesn't have this kind of entrenched organization, because by and large, the right doesn't ha e thus kind of political graft.

Posted by: Revenant at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM (yXLbm)

108 >>that's part of the reality; they have fundraising experts, and email lists, phone banks, social media accounts, and tons of actual cash donations from Clooney and Oprah and lefty CEO's and in kind donations from corporations and colleges. The closest we had was the Tea Party and the MSM went after them big time.



Yup. Very well established.

Almost think that we can't match them, that our side has to continue doing more of the rebel stuff like Project Veritas, YouTube videos targeted at kids (people like PJW red-pilling Gen Z), etc.

That's why I support people like O'Keefe, Milo, PJW, Lila Rose, Lauren Southern, etc. - they are reaching people, they are spreading ideas that have been effectively killed in the mainstream. You don't have to love them to appreciate what they're achieving.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM (W+vEI)

109 We do suck at politics

We have good ideas but we're terrible at the dark arts.

Posted by: Menu at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM (7ERoK)

110 anything the media does is a scripted reality show type production. just like how greg packer was constantly the man in the street until they wore that out. it is all 100% townhousejournolistfaggotry

Posted by: x at March 02, 2018 01:42 PM (nFwvY)

111 We ceded the "language war" decades ago.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:31 PM (F5+ro)
~~~~~

That's true. However the left's push wrt to gender "fluidity" and alternative pronouns was possibly a bridge too far. I'm seeing a lot of push-back on that in particular, and frequently it leads to discussion of the left's control of language going back to things like pro-choice rather than pro-abortion, etc. So maybe there's hope?

Posted by: IrishEi at March 02, 2018 01:42 PM (HiDrR)

112 A caller on Rush's show knew that this was a gathered piece of Astroturf from the very beginning.

It was suspicious that a bunch of idiot Children got together and CNN was ready to host that shit immediately.

Really?

I could hardly organize backyard football games at seventeen years of age.

If we had twelve people? I considered it a success.

This is a Soros-funded lie of extravagant proportions and I'll be no part of the emotional play being perpetrated upon the American People.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:42 PM (Ckg4U)

113 "98 Breaking: Taco Bell has halted all sales of Burritos of Mass Destruction."


I could tell you some nasty stories about that. I thought at least I had a WH job coming to me while cleaning up up after her explosive sharts

Posted by: Huma Abedin. at March 02, 2018 01:42 PM (OD2ni)

114 The GOP is a useless pile of dogshit.



On that we can agree

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM

I object to that vile slur! At least I can be used as fertilizer.

Posted by: A pile of dogshit at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM (p+Wdc)



In fairness, so could they. IYKWIM.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 02, 2018 01:42 PM (gDq6o)

115 Good one! Oh, wait, they actually did that

==
that might depend upon your definition of victim . . . you could rightly argue that these spokeschildren have recently received a tremendous amount of notoriety as a result of their classmates deaths.

Posted by: just pointing out a language issue at March 02, 2018 01:43 PM (nvwdk)

116 >>>We need to get better at this.

That's one way. The other would be to get people to become more proficient at detecting bullshit. We need to isolate the "believe bullshit" gene and develop some kind of cure.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 02, 2018 01:43 PM (/qEW2)

117 We need to get better at this.
.............
You are being naive, Ace.

Get better at what? What's the cause?

Do you know a lot of groups beside the NRA and the Koch brothers would would back something on this scale?

Do you know of many celebs with half a million burning a hole in their pockets for a conservative cause?

And last.. some of the draw of all this hoopla is that it looks like young adults/kids stepping up as the face of this "movement"..

Do you know many high school kids that would take up a conservative cause nationwide? abortion? ha! immigration? double ha!

and any other cause? no.. the gimme generation is all lefty.. they want to take away our guns and wring as much tax money from us to fund their activities..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 01:43 PM (so+oy)

118 We need to get better at this.

I think that most of us have a day job and cannot afford t spend the hours or the money that it takes to organize. That's why the left is so good at it. They're publicly (tax money and grants) funded as well as privately (Soros) funded.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 02, 2018 01:43 PM (cyztU)

119 i am getting to the point where i really despise proggie children. the next fucker that says it's for the children gets throat punched and crotch kicked. fuck em.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 02, 2018 01:43 PM (KP5rU)

120 I suppose we can make a case that some sorts of aid to grassroots organizations is legit.


But when doe the "help" turn into astroturf, potemkin, propaganda shows?




This one seems to have crossed into coordinated propaganda show the moment it hit the CNN town hall phase.




BUT since this is purely a political activity/action then all's fair. It should be met and torn down vigorously, even if the Hogg and Bald Head Warrior start blubbering on TV.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2018 01:44 PM (ymnmz)

121 "56 Just think about much organizing and planning has already been done for the camps. All that's needed now is their "trigger."
Posted by: Fritz at March 02, 2018 01:32 PM ( "


Absolutely this. And they would be going ahead if it wasn't for that pesky election.

Felonia Von Pantsuit was supposed to be the closer.


Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 02, 2018 01:44 PM (e11dj)

122 Killer Cruz was in the freshman building, and I'm guessing most of these "child survivors" are seniors, maybe a couple juniors. Probably none were in the same building and none saw any blood.

And the school has 3200 kids, so they probably didn't even know any victims. The siblings of victims are probably nowhere near these gun control nuts. Maybe we could get interviews with some real first hand victims, and quietly collect their thoughts on their teacher having a gun rather than dying in front of them.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 02, 2018 01:44 PM (bT8Z4)

123 We do suck at politics

We have good ideas but we're terrible at the dark arts.
Posted by: Menu


Because we follow the law.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 01:44 PM (0R8lo)

124


Everything on CNN is scripted. It has to be in order to make revenue predictions and schedule. It is a business.

That Sandra Fluke madness, classic case.

All the gay shit, same.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz IVANOVICH at March 02, 2018 01:44 PM (ffzJn)

125 The thing is, as much as the left controls the old media and has all those structures in place.... they're getting old. The right pretty well controls podcasts, comedy, memes, and social media. Why do you think Twitter and Facebook are freaking out and trying to censor the right? Because its out of their hands and they want to control it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 01:44 PM (39g3+)

126 We need to get better at this.

Why bother? The Tea Party didn't work and was ignored or ridiculed by the MFM. Sometweet in the near future Trump will blow em up.

Posted by: DaveA at March 02, 2018 01:45 PM (FhXTo)

127 How many NRA member interviews did you see in the news or in the papers?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 02, 2018 01:35 PM


Why would you want to talk to icky terrorist monsters with blood on their hands?

Posted by: The MSM at March 02, 2018 01:45 PM (ctuyM)

128 >>We need to get better at this.


And taller. We need to be taller, too.

Posted by: garrett at March 02, 2018 01:46 PM (g5KCb)

129 That's true. However the left's push wrt to gender "fluidity" and alternative pronouns was possibly a bridge too far. I'm seeing a lot of push-back on that in particular, and frequently it leads to discussion of the left's control of language going back to things like pro-choice rather than pro-abortion, etc. So maybe there's hope?
Posted by: IrishEi at March 02, 2018 01:42 PM (HiDrR)

I doubt it. The left will succeed at the pronoun game at some point. If they push too far right now and face back lash, they'll back off for a short while then be at it again.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:46 PM (F5+ro)

130 The old media is about as fresh as Leaky Leahy's breath.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 02, 2018 01:46 PM (y7DUB)

131 We need to get better at this.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:26 PM


I don't. I think we just have to be more willing to call it the bullshit it is.

Progressives arrange these Elaborate Fan Dances for one primary reason. Because Republicans are rarely willing to call their Base Premises bullshit.

In this case, two premises. Making a Law Prohibiting an Action does very damn little to prevent the Action. And nobody sane gives a damn what a Teenage Thinks about ... well, anything. I should now. I'm still raising two.

A guy here keeps saying Beating Progressives is Easy ... but you must have the will to completely Humiliate them. Progressives know most ain't willing, so they use that Potential Humiliation as a shield. A perfect defense of their Bullshit Base Premises.

If Republicans would just crush those Base Premises ... think of how little effort and will that would take, opposed to the flood of time and money it takes to shuffle Future Broward County Dickhead Progressives around to sing songs and hold signs they didn't even make.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 02, 2018 01:46 PM (8tuZ9)

132 and what happened with any interview of that father that gave his kid a vest that day?

Posted by: illiniwek at March 02, 2018 01:46 PM (bT8Z4)

133 There is no such thing as "moral authority". It's an absurd adolescent concept, and can be vaporized easily by anyone with verbal intelligence. In the case under discussion, it's laughably, obviously a non-starter.


But that just touches on one of my fine, aging whines.


So long as there is nothing resembling a press - and there isn't, and there won't be, any time soon - the most important thing to be done is for those opposed to the racist authoritarians to question every premise, reject every falsehood, educate, and force the "press" to have only those things to report.


When Newt did this - a tiny bit - during the 2012 primary, people swooned. Because it's effective. If all a "reporter" has is your deconstruction of his question, your scathing rejection of his illogical analysis, your annihilation of the other side's stupid slogans - THAT will be part of the news.


Dare you to find this anywhere. Very few, apparently, with the energy, verbal intelligence, and knowledge to actually do this.


Posted by: rhomboid at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (QDnY+)

134 Don't forget the other major group that came in early in setting up the agit-prop --- CNN. They didn't just push the 'correct' story. They helped organize it.

And the MFM never, ever criticizes its own.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (0jtPF)

135 That Hogg kid is annoying... He's got a very punch-able face

Because he looks like Wesley Crusher (Wil Wheaton), the mother of all punchable faces.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (gm9yG)

136 How many NRA member interviews did you see in the news or in the papers?
Posted by: Sebastian

============
WAIT WAIT WAIT >>> WAIT ONE DANG MINUTE THERE MISTER!!!

I GAVE THEM THEIR CHANCE I HAD THEIR SPOKESPERSON ON A NATIONAL TOWNHALL!!! SO THERE!!!!

Posted by: Jake Tapper at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (RCxZt)

137 "Why bother? The Tea Party didn't work and was ignored or ridiculed by the MFM. Sometweet in the near future Trump will blow em up.

Posted by: DaveA"


The TP was a good idea and got some good people in Congress. However, it got overrun by grifters that quickly sniffed the smell of money.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (OD2ni)

138 the absolute worst part is that they tax us to pay for their politicking. my arms control bill would be to cut off the arms of anyone who does that.

Posted by: x at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (nFwvY)

139 That's better than chopped liver, Insomniac. Hugs to you. How is it going?
Posted by: moki at March 02, 2018 01:30 PM (V+V4

Busy the last few days. It's good, but tiring. I had much better stamina 20 years ago...

Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (NWiLs)

140 OUTLANDER we have your guns!

Posted by: Isaac Hogg at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (LkNE0)

141 speaking of astroturfed, Schiff's only evidence of collusion were the meeting trump jr had with russkies over magitnsky act and papadoplous.

I'm pretty sure the white house helped make that meeting take place through Fusion GPS just like white house helped arrrange the "meeting" between sessions and russian ambassador.

surprisingly a week or so later, hillary used these lines in the debate.

Wow. Great job everyone.

GOP for letting this go on.

Media for pretending this is a thing.

DNC for their severe psychological impairment which prevents them from hearing the words Uranium and One in a sentence.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (V3U1L)

142 I'm going to get a tattoo of myself, only taller.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (Ckg4U)

143 117
We need to get better at this.

.............

You are being naive, Ace.



Get better at what? What's the cause?



Do you know a lot of groups beside the NRA and the Koch brothers would would back something on this scale?



Do you know of many celebs with half a million burning a hole in their pockets for a conservative cause?



And last.. some of the draw of all this hoopla is that it looks like
young adults/kids stepping up as the face of this "movement"..



Do you know many high school kids that would take up a conservative cause nationwide? abortion? ha! immigration? double ha!



and any other cause? no.. the gimme generation is all lefty.. they
want to take away our guns and wring as much tax money from us to fund
their activities..



Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 01:43 PM (so+oy)


The cause is to ridicule the Marxists.


Winston Churchill once said "Ridicule is the most potent weapon. Find something that Marxists do and ridicule it. If it's fun then you will get more involvement"

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (ymnmz)

144 125 The thing is, as much as the left controls the old media and has all those structures in place.... they're getting old. The right pretty well controls podcasts, comedy, memes, and social media. Why do you think Twitter and Facebook are freaking out and trying to censor the right? Because its out of their hands and they want to control it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 01:44 PM (39g3+)

I don't think any of that is really the case. I think the left controls all media outlets with the exception of AM radio and they are consolidating their "new media" power by banning / demonitizing "alt right" people and "alternative media"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (F5+ro)

145 People like "The" Rick Wilson were paid fortunes to be good at this.

They proved laughably incompetent.

They were bested by someone who IS good at this.

So now they hate him. And us.

All those people who are pro-Trump but wish he would stop tweeting? HE'S GOOD AT THIS.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (jHrzU)

146
That saddest part is that its our taxpayer dollars funding alot of the left. Obama diverted billions to Leftist groups.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (r+sAi)

147 "And taller. We need to be taller, too.
Posted by: garrett"


Asshole!!

Posted by: Robert Reich at March 02, 2018 01:48 PM (OD2ni)

148 Wait- we need to get better at what, being frauds?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 02, 2018 01:48 PM (sNU3v)

149 ..."I had much better stamina 20 years ago..."
-Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (NWiLs)

*HAH!*

Stupid youth.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:48 PM (Ckg4U)

150 yes, the kids are astroturfed.

Even in a world where this adult named Hogg is really a student who moved to Florida just in time for the shooting and is an ambivalently gay duo with cuban cue ball...the media frenzy and plug and play rent a riots are all a bit much.

And weird, we should listen to the kids...but only the kids the DNC soros globohomosphere offered up.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (V3U1L)

151 I'M A HOG FOR YOU BABY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0ELpzJe7kE

Posted by: Grateful Dead at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (g5KCb)

152 Rhomboid - so true. I know from personal experience after losing my son in an accident last year the devastation that this caused our family including my daughter age 24. She has frequent panic attacks, nightmares, etc. Smiling and hamming it up is NOT a normal reaction to any tragedy.

Posted by: Cheri at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (oiNtH)

153 I object to that vile slur! At least I can be used as fertilizer.
Posted by: A pile of dogshit at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM


You are too modest, Sir or Madam, as the case may be.

Do not forget your usefulness in a flaming paper bag on someone's porch.

Posted by: You're Welcome at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (ctuyM)

154 this is why they never understood the tea party being grass root.

because they are agitators from the top down. and we only rarely complain.

Posted by: willow at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (/ikqi)

155 So "school resource officer" is part of a program created by barry. 1,000 of them, and special counselors. at the time, it appeared to be an attempt to mimic what clinton did with "community policing" and his 100k new officers, which was mostly an attempt to get the unions and democrats some leverage in local PD.

with barry, it appears his goal was to convert the schools into sjw battlegrounds. a lot of administrators, and sro's, looking for "bullied" kids (ie, gender confused, or confusable kids) who could be used to advance the Left's agenda.

So again, we have a crisis and barry taking advantage by making it worse, pretending to help.

I thought the euphemism of SRO had to have some sinister meaning, and I think the schools were seen as a resource for the Left, and the SRO was the "political officer" from the DOJ just like the political officer from the kgb with different chain of command overseeing the local schools, and pd.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (LWu6U)

156 We need to get better at this.

Posted by: Ace of Spades
==========
And I need bigger boobs

*flexes*

I must, I must, I must increase my bust!!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (ZIcq+)

157 "the absolute worst part is that they tax us to pay for their politicking. my arms control bill would be to cut off the arms of anyone who does that.
Posted by: x"


Meanie!! [cries]

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (OD2ni)

158 Magic or as it is known better "astro-turfing"

Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (Z8FFX)

159 I think the most effective way to counteract this thing is to call it for what it is; namely an organized attempt to take advantage of the death of children to score political points and get 15 minutes of fame.

Make that claim and point out the substantiating facts every chance you get in a public forum. And I'd start with that insipid, vacuous brat, Hogg.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (cyztU)

160 As the new-GOP learns to fight back. Maybe it's time to Ma-Bell twitter and facebook and google.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 01:50 PM (V3U1L)

161 106

The problem with the right organizing is I remember the Tea Party.
Nothing but abuse from the MFM. It did help flip Congress though, but
that may have happened anyway.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 02, 2018 01:41 PM (r+sAi)

GOPe let the Obama IRS etc run wild on the Tea party too.

Posted by: Maduro at March 02, 2018 01:50 PM (iNWZ+)

162 Ace wrote, "We need to get better at this."

There hasn't been a lack of money thrown by conservatives at better organization and greater professionalism. Remember the Tea Party movement? More to the point, remember the plethora of supposed Tea Party groups popping up filled with 'professionals' who moved in and essentially started compiling donor lists in order to sell those lists to other professionals? Lots of people made lots of money and that was the extent of that.

What we need is a high level of principled commitment and a Republican Party that knows what the hell it's doing.

Posted by: troyriser at March 02, 2018 01:50 PM (K8f5g)

163 -Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (V3U1L)

Now say it in English.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:50 PM (Ckg4U)

164 or even better, Hugo Chavez facebook, google, and twitter

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 01:50 PM (V3U1L)

165 128 >>We need to get better at this.


And taller. We need to be taller, too.
Posted by: garrett at March 02, 2018 01:46 PM (g5KCb)

We do? Dammit. Any of you want to spring for a tibial/fibular elongation procedure for me?

Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 01:50 PM (NWiLs)

166 me no english good?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (V3U1L)

167 Kali students turn violent at antigun rally.

NBC.com


Thugs thugging it up.
And yet, we are supposed to listen to children.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (yX09K)

168 we will never be as good at politics and bullshit as they are. they are satans' disciples. we refuse to go there. they don't give a fuck. that simple.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (KP5rU)

169 Scogg we seem to have said essentially the same thing, at the same time.


I've been saying this for a long time. And not just in blog comment sections. I once related a story of how I had a very senior USG official at the center of a central story of the time about to engage with a leading European media outlet completely on board with the "reject the false premises, control the conversation" approach.


Which he just jettisoned once the talking started, producing yet another stupid, wildly distorted item to maintain the flow of disinformation to the drooling European audience.



Posted by: rhomboid at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (QDnY+)

170 And about Rick Wilson and his miserable failure of a career - remember when WeirdDave saw through his bullshit and wrote about it on this blog?

That post got wished into the cornfield.

So, yeah, "we" need to get better at this.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (jHrzU)

171 >>I must, I must, I must increase my bust!!


Niceley done.

Posted by: garrett at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (g5KCb)

172 http://bit.ly/2CUJhp8
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Reports: Inspector General Michael Horowitz Will Accuse Andrew McCabe of Leaking, Misleading Investigators
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from the NY Slimes & Wash. COMPOST ! so are they doing a Lanny Davis & "Tell the truth slowly"?

Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (y3aQB)

173
We need to get better at this.



Posted by Ace of Spades at 01:26 PM



Comments


Or at least recognize it for what it is: Warfare by other means.

Exposing the left's tactics and trying to present it in the public square is kind of missing the point. The public square is NOT the place to exchange ideas these days. It's the front line of the Civil War.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (9chmE)

174 I despise "organizing," though. It's hard to believe my fellow creatures could be manipulated by such obvious narrative schmoozes. I have to think they are just going along because they think someone else will be fooled into believing it's what cool kids think and will join in the cool kid party, or just indulge their own inarticulate "go team" feelings.

I hate organizing and playacting. I will concede some participants are very sincere, but there are very sincere in believing an honest way doesn't get results.

So all I can do is just shake my head at the laziness of my fellow man in questioning the motive and methods of the not-lazy.

Posted by: SarahW at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (Sp1NT)

175 "a news cycle allows the MFM to set the narrative, and by "set" I mean tattoo it in the brains of their SJWs forever."

I hope they continue to sell to those who are already subscribers.

BTW - LIV's.
The thing about them is that they do *not* pay attention and they forget these things quickly.

I think the whole act was a nice indulgence, and perhaps it may, just may, frighten some legislative action, but I am not exactly expecting much. If they wanted or expected anything it needed to be done earlier, striking while the iron is hot. I don't expect anything at this date because people will be moving on (other than the true zealots on either side).


NB: I could be wrong.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Live Life to The Foulest! Grouse & Grumble Gear on Sale at The Outrage Outlet! at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (hLRSq)

176 Listen to the children!

Posted by: HitlerJugend at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (iNWZ+)

177 167 Kali students turn violent at antigun rally.

NBC.com


Thugs thugging it up.
And yet, we are supposed to listen to children.

Are they "dreamers" because most of them are 20 + year old freshmen

Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (O2RFr)

178 I thought the euphemism of SRO had to have some sinister meaning, and I think the schools were seen as a resource for the Left, and the SRO was the "political officer" from the DOJ just like the political officer from the kgb with different chain of command overseeing the local schools, and pd.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 02, 2018 01:49 PM (LWu6U)

We had a "resource officer" (part time, I'm not sure what he did. Just walked around in a police uniform and occasionally guest lectured in our health class about how not only is underage drinking bad for your health but will get you arrested) in my high school during the Bush years, so that term definitely pre-dates anything Obama did.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (F5+ro)

179 176 Listen to the children!
Posted by: HitlerJugend at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (iNWZ+)

After all, tomorrow belongs to you.

Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (NWiLs)

180 Test post

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (vxywJ)

181 Loesch vs. Hogg would be a hoot. so never gonna happen.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 02, 2018 01:33 PM (h/uSM)
---
I am currently perusing Dana's book Hands Off My Gun and she said of Piers Morgan, "Morgan needs to talk over his guests like a solar-powered calculator needs sunlight to function." She was on his show many times and they developed a rapport, even though he threw a wad of paper at her once "but I didn't take it personally because he threw like a girl".

She was later banned from his show when she posted a picture of her AR-15 that she shot at a gun range and he immediately Tweeted "The assault rifle used at Aurora Sandy Hook". They got into it, and he compared her to Adam Lanza's mother. She replied "Jeffrey Dahmer and Piers Morgan both wear shoes, so is Piers going to lure men to his apartment and eat them?"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (qJtVm)

182 "Teabagger"

"Binders full of women"

"Grabbed her pussy"

See how easy it is?

Hu, huhu, hu, hu, hu, hu... hu, hu...

Posted by: Beavis The Consultant at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (W/SyC)

183 Kali students turn violent at antigun rally.
=========
Filipino martial arts

Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (Hss8S)

184 It was convoluted and cross-eyed.

Maybe I'm a dummy.

I got confuzzled.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (Ckg4U)

185 All the Jews kids stayed home sick that day!

Posted by: Alex Jones at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (xBSm0)

186 The cause is to ridicule the Marxists.

Winston Churchill once said "Ridicule is the most potent weapon. Find something that Marxists do and ridicule it. If it's fun then you will get more involvement"
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless
...............
Oh yeah.. we should call you Mr Optics! What insight!

Get out there are ridicule these kids on TV.. great idea, genius..

Half the country already thinks conservatives are heartless bastards.. let's convince the other half!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (so+oy)

187 We need to get better at this.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:26 PM

I don't. I think we just have to be more willing to call it the bullshit it is.

+++

No Ace is right. The organization shown is the tip of a massive iceberg. The Left controls so many institutions that it's easy for them to organize at the drop of a hat. Not the other way around

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (LkNE0)

188 Scogg we seem to have said essentially the same thing, at the same time.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (QDnY+)


I saw that. But you used bigger words, and much better sentence structure.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (8tuZ9)

189 162 Ace wrote, "We need to get better at this."

There hasn't been a lack of money thrown by conservatives at better organization and greater professionalism. Remember the Tea Party movement? More to the point, remember the plethora of supposed Tea Party groups popping up filled with 'professionals' who moved in and essentially started compiling donor lists in order to sell those lists to other professionals? Lots of people made lots of money and that was the extent of that.

What we need is a high level of principled commitment and a Republican Party that knows what the hell it's doing.
Posted by: troyriser at March 02, 2018 01:50 PM

--------

that's the thing.

lefty orgs get millions of dollars from govt and cuck-ceos. the NFL gives millions, now, to more lefty orgs because of the kneelers. That money was taken from the national anthem stuff, right?

The NFL is just one example of the iceberg that is the soros-sphere and various publicly sponsored dnc groups (memba ACORN).

Meanwhile, a pro-america group has to jump through hurdles like the tea party did and has to prove they're not WN or WS. So, the NFL can give money to a black lives group with no racial problem, any pro-america group gets the full sjw treatment.

so, we're screwed. Our public participation is NSFW for most corporations.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (V3U1L)

190 Yo, its mad windy outside!

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (vxywJ)

191
Or at least recognize it for what it is: Warfare by other means.

Exposing
the left's tactics and trying to present it in the public square is
kind of missing the point. The public square is NOT the place to
exchange ideas these days. It's the front line of the Civil War.




Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (9chmE)

Somebody said #WAR, the left has always used psyops Alinsky is one.

Posted by: Maduro (V as in Venezuela) at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (iNWZ+)

192 "People like "The" Rick Wilson were paid fortunes to be good at this.

They proved laughably incompetent."


Mike Murphy takes the prize at this and, IMO, nobody is even close. That guy scammed millions from guillibile Jeb supporters in 2016 for his Right to Rise Pac. His great plan was to build Trump up and attack everyone but Trump so it would be Trump v. Jeb at the end. And he now has the fucking gall to go on MSNBC and bitch about Trump when he played a major role.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (OD2ni)

193 Another advantage the Left has is that our beloved government hands out millions and millions of dollars to their pet groups.

Planned Unparenthood can easily afford to spend $20 million on the 2018 elections because we subsidize them.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (0jtPF)

194 You think the kids realize that they're props? Or are they convinced that they did something special all on their own?

Posted by: Joe, living mobile at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (mk7Bj)

195 174 I despise "organizing," though. It's hard to believe my fellow creatures could be manipulated by such obvious narrative schmoozes. I have to think they are just going along because they think someone else will be fooled into believing it's what cool kids think and will join in the cool kid party, or just indulge their own inarticulate "go team" feelings.


Posted by: SarahW at March 02, 2018 01:52 PM (Sp1NT)

I think thats a really good way of putting it.

I mean, we can say that despite a 24/7 all out media / dem / everyone onslaught against Trump, he still won the presidency. So obviously the lefts tactics don't work on everyone.

...And I often do wonder how many of the "true believers" really believe a word they are saying, and how many are trying to con LIVs.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (F5+ro)

196 Remember how "we" got so upset at how dumb dumb dumb Republican voters were for voting for Trump in the primaries and we were so sick and tired of it and fuck it I am just going to vote for Hillary?

Yes, "we" need to get better at this.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 01:55 PM (jHrzU)

197 194 You think the kids realize that they're props? Or are they convinced that they did something special all on their own?
Posted by: Joe, living mobile at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (mk7Bj)

Eh, kids are dumb.

They're probably not thinking about much beyond the "HOLY SHIT I GOT TO BE ON NATIONAL TV" of the moment.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:55 PM (F5+ro)

198 Ridicule their masters. PP, Move-On, etc.

Posted by: Cheri at March 02, 2018 01:55 PM (oiNtH)

199 82 Tru Valu Hardware has stopped selling Grenades, in solidarity with these brave teens!
====
SomeTru Valus do carry guns, and so do some drug stores. Its been awhile since I shopped at those, but I'm pretty sure they were also selling the magical death weapon ARs.

Posted by: stace at March 02, 2018 01:56 PM (6HFDU)

200 Piers Morgan strives to be smart, but he simply can't achieve his goal.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:56 PM (Ckg4U)

201 And about Rick Wilson and his miserable failure of a
career - remember when WeirdDave saw through his bullshit and wrote
about it on this blog?



That post got wished into the cornfield.



So, yeah, "we" need to get better at this.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (jHrzU)


And unless I'm mistaken, it's still not been disclosed which of the Cobs disappeared it. There are a few who are no longer around, and at least a couple of them stopped posting on AoSHQ around that time.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2018 01:56 PM (9chmE)

202 The TP was a good idea and got some good people in Congress. However,
it got overrun by grifters that quickly sniffed the smell of money.
=====

So the TP is supposed to be somehow 'pure' and not fundraise? Geese Louise, the IRS took care of that one, didn't they.

So much more effective if undermined. Those old 'sappers' knew what they were doing.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 02, 2018 01:56 PM (MIKMs)

203
Planned Unparenthood can easily afford to spend $20 million on the 2018 elections because we subsidize them.
======
Yet the republicans make no efforts to defund. . .

You know the answer to that riddle

Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 01:56 PM (XetPB)

204 The TP was a good idea and got some good people in Congress. However, it got overrun by grifters that quickly sniffed the smell of money.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 01:47 PM (OD2ni)


Like when Dick Armey wanted to co-opt the name? Because nothing says "grass roots" like Dick Armey!

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 02, 2018 01:56 PM (y7DUB)

205 Ace hardware will no longer sell rail guns for sport fishing boats.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 02, 2018 01:57 PM (KP5rU)

206 186
The cause is to ridicule the Marxists.



Winston Churchill once said "Ridicule is the most potent weapon.
Find something that Marxists do and ridicule it. If it's fun then you
will get more involvement"

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless

...............

Oh yeah.. we should call you Mr Optics! What insight!



Get out there are ridicule these kids on TV.. great idea, genius..



Half the country already thinks conservatives are heartless bastards.. let's convince the other half!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (so+oy)


You just laid down on your sword for them because you let them use their play book. Which is "criticizing and ridiculing our opinions is out of bounds"
Sabo ridicules them pretty effectively.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2018 01:57 PM (ymnmz)

207 >>GOPe let the Obama IRS etc run wild on the Tea party too.

Of course they did. They hate conservatives as much as Obama hated conservatives.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 02, 2018 01:57 PM (r9UYA)

208 "And unless I'm mistaken, it's still not been disclosed which of the Cobs disappeared it. There are a few who are no longer around, and at least a couple of them stopped posting on AoSHQ around that time."


No going to name my suspect, but he has shitty taste in music.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 01:57 PM (OD2ni)

209 Tru Valu Hardware has stopped selling Grenades, in solidarity with these brave teens!
====
SomeTru Valus do carry guns, and so do some drug stores. Its been awhile since I shopped at those, but I'm pretty sure they were also selling the magical death weapon ARs.
Posted by: stace at March 02, 2018 01:56 PM (6HFDU)

I've been to more than a few gas stations here in Texas that had a full assortment of guns and ammo

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 02, 2018 01:57 PM (+087i)

210 This reminds me of the Mitchell and Webb skit "are we the baddies," where David Mitchell starts to wonder if the skulls on his SS uniform may mean he is on the wrong side.

Does the Left ever wonder about using children as a front for their agenda? There is a history to that, and off the top of my head, it seems it is always the baddies doing that - hitler youth, the commies, mao and his brigades of kids attacking adults. It is always the stupid, evil, and violent guys who have to indoctrinate and channel their programs through the kids.

You never see the good guys subjecting their children to this shit. It is always the Left, and always evil.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 02, 2018 01:58 PM (LWu6U)

211 Half the country already thinks conservatives are heartless bastards.. let's convince the other half!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (so+oy)


Assail the unassailable.

Trump went and talked to those kids.

And he ain't doing what they want him to do.

Engage. Don't roll over.


Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 01:58 PM (jHrzU)

212 And unless I'm mistaken, it's still not been disclosed which of the Cobs disappeared it. There are a few who are no longer around, and at least a couple of them stopped posting on AoSHQ around that time.
Posted by: BurtTC


I'd bet money and a bag o dicks on which one.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 01:58 PM (yX09K)

213 206 I have doubts how effective their theatre really is. I dont think they're compelling many people who aren't already full commie, and I doubt they're fooling anyone.

-----

at the end of the day, no one's minds were changed. The PR blitz is only on CNN and MSNBC after all.

Also, this public PR frenzy may have the effect of highlighting the insane abuses of the Obama PROMISE program. Then again, 10 years later and no one even really knows about the Clinton "give mortgages to everyone including illegals" program or that Obama sued Citi to make this happen.

thanks, GOP!

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 01:59 PM (V3U1L)

214 208 "And unless I'm mistaken, it's still not been disclosed which of the Cobs disappeared it. There are a few who are no longer around, and at least a couple of them stopped posting on AoSHQ around that time."


No going to name my suspect, but he has shitty taste in music.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 01:57 PM (OD2ni)

Oh, come on -- none of the cobs would do that w/o permission from the head ewok.

Which is fine. It's his blog, I get why he didn't want to pick a fight with Rick Wilson.

But let's not blame he-who-shall-not-be-named for that one.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 01:59 PM (F5+ro)

215 I remember the utter fucking panic at the advent of Tea Parties and town halls. It was sheer panic because it wasn't organized, at least not in the beginning and every possible method of discrediting it was used lest people get the idea someone else thought the same way about something.

"Brooks Brothers" didn't work, I think eventually they stuck on the more effective "tea-billy (racist)." Tea party folks were attacked as being a Koch Brothers tm (MEOW) production, anything, anything anything, to pin the "phony" badge on it; meanwhile the tragic coffee party, and the ridiculous occupy show began in reaction, with the press slathering over them as if it were anything but the panic reactions they were.

Posted by: SarahW at March 02, 2018 01:59 PM (Sp1NT)

216 Old and busted: Not shopping at Dick's because they are 25% more expensive for the same thing
New hotness: not shopping at Dicks because they are expensive as fuck and cucks to boot.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 02, 2018 01:59 PM (+087i)

217 211
Half the country already thinks conservatives are heartless bastards.. let's convince the other half!



Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (so+oy)



Assail the unassailable.



Trump went and talked to those kids.



And he ain't doing what they want him to do.



Engage. Don't roll over.







Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 01:58 PM (jHrzU)


That was grandmaster ridiculing of the left.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (ymnmz)

218 We need to get better at this.







Posted by Ace of Spades at 01:26 PM



We are not going to get batter at this Ace and nor should we. We are not crisis actors. We have jobs and lives to lead so we are not available to BE crisis actors. We do, however, need to get better at calling out the left on this.




Why has it been forbidden to question the motives of these teenagers who, quite frankly, did not seem all that grief-stricken or traumatized? Why have we allowed the left to shout us down and demonize us when we think about questioning those motives?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (f5uaD)

219 Planned Unparenthood can easily afford to spend $20 million on the 2018 elections because we subsidize them.
======
Yet the republicans make no efforts to defund. . .

You know the answer to that riddle
Posted by: simplemind

---


conservative ideas that about 70% of the public agree with are still controversial and basically third rail issues.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (V3U1L)

220 "So the TP is supposed to be somehow 'pure' and not fundraise? Geese Louise, the IRS took care of that one, didn't they."


Fundraising to support good candidates is great. Fundraising in which you keep 90% of donations for "administrative expenses" is not. Too many of the latter cropped up. Sorry.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (OD2ni)

221 Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 01:56 PM (Ckg4U)
----------
Hey ! if you don't succeed, Fail & Fail again

Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (y3aQB)

222 170 And about Rick Wilson and his miserable failure of a career - remember when WeirdDave saw through his bullshit and wrote about it on this blog?

That post got wished into the cornfield.

So, yeah, "we" need to get better at this.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 01:51 PM (jHrzU)



Care to bet that if WeirdDave wrote that today, that the same prick would declare it inappropriate and nuke it if he could.

Posted by: buzzion at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (cAnNx)

223 Assail the unassailable.

Trump went and talked to those kids.

And he ain't doing what they want him to do.

Engage. Don't roll over.


Posted by: blaster
........
Yes.. most definitely..

I thought Trump's visit kinda popped that balloon very quickly... at least deflated it somewhat.

But Ace's call for our side to do more astroturfing is just silly.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (so+oy)

224 I like "fake news", it's pejorative enough. Of course, there are those who whinge that Trump capitalizing on that term has parallels with "Lugenpresse", conveniently ignoring that their boy Barry and the press and organs of government were going after independent, small, and foreign news sources first. The long campaign to de-platform Fox, the efforts to slur as propaganda anyone linking Russian or Israeli, etc. sources...

In this historical repeat, there is an entity that is Literally Hitler, and it ain't Trump.

Posted by: Sporkatus at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (trco+)

225 Does the Left ever wonder about using children as a front for their agenda? There is a history to that, and off the top of my head, it seems it is always the baddies doing that - hitler youth, the commies, mao and his brigades of kids attacking adults. It is always the stupid, evil, and violent guys who have to indoctrinate and channel their programs through the kids.

You never see the good guys subjecting their children to this shit. It is always the Left, and always evil.

---

Doubt it. Most of them think us taking our kids to church is in the same ballpark as the Hitler youth.

Posted by: Joe, living mobile at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (mk7Bj)

226 I think the left controls all media outlets with the exception of AM radio and they are consolidating their "new media" power by banning / demonitizing "alt right" people and "alternative media"

Yes but why are they trying to shut up the right online? Because its so effective and popular. Because the guys who are doing right wing content are funny and entertaining and interesting. Because they're cool and the left is not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 02:01 PM (39g3+)

227 SomeTru Valus do carry guns, and so do some drug stores. Its been awhile since I shopped at those, but I'm pretty sure they were also selling the magical death weapon ARs.
Posted by: stace at March 02, 2018 01:56 PM (6HFDU)

I've been to more than a few gas stations here in Texas that had a full assortment of guns and ammo
Posted by: Jollyroger


Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms SHOULD BE a convenience store, NOT a government bureaucracy.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 02:01 PM (yX09K)

228 conservative ideas that about 70% of the public agree with are still controversial and basically third rail issues.
==========
Or more simply even than that . . .

most republicans are part of the uniparty and are good with the plan. Especially since they can use PP atrocities to fund raise off the rubes.

Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 02:02 PM (Pkl+z)

229 Fundraising to support good candidates is great. Fundraising in which
you keep 90% of donations for "administrative expenses" is not. Too
many of the latter cropped up. Sorry.
=====

What planet are you from?

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 02, 2018 02:02 PM (MIKMs)

230 Burt, i believe he was a friend of the blogger at one time, dave in texas i believe Might have influenced that take down
weird dave was right.
but remember the times, we were actually surprised to find out many conservative bigs weren't actually on the same team, it's a process. I'm sure those stand outs Believe they are doing good, but it really isn't i do believe we have to fight now, even if we fight dirty.

the left isn't really desiring to be pals, they want to drive us intothe sea.

those so cool not fighting them but fighting us, are really not preserving anything but the countries demise.

Posted by: willow at March 02, 2018 02:02 PM (/ikqi)

231 Fundraising to support good candidates is great. Fundraising in which you keep 90% of donations for "administrative expenses" is not. Too many of the latter cropped up. Sorry.

Yeah every grifter and con man showed up to coopt tea party stuff. That's what killed it, not the left and not some evil conspiracy. I used to follow several Tea Party sites and organizations, I was at several rallies. Then they started one by one turning into just fundraising and GOPe outlets and their websites turned into one gigantic wall of ads and popups and it just was obvious they were only about the money so away they went.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 02:03 PM (39g3+)

232 148 Wait- we need to get better at what, being frauds?
Posted by: Marcus T at March 02, 2018 01:48 PM (sNU3v)

If it takes Skulduggery to embarrass, empoverish, and destroy the Left, then yes.

Posted by: Hikaru at March 02, 2018 02:03 PM (CMbMd)

233 "Hey ! if you don't succeed, Fail & Fail again."
-Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (y3aQB)

I don't know what this is response to.

Prepositional phrase, I know.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 02:03 PM (Ckg4U)

234 Fundraising to support good candidates is great. Fundraising in which you keep 90% of donations for "administrative expenses" is not. Too many of the latter cropped up. Sorry.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (OD2ni)

Thats right. A lot of shysters came out of the woodwork to take advantage of all that sweet donation money rolling in.

Really economic junk got put on my back burner. It's really important, but the American people have decided they won't act until there is a crisis, and given the other shit that transpired since, we have a lot of more pressing matters

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 02, 2018 02:03 PM (+087i)

235 Yeah, these "Magical Kids" stick Tide pods up their butts. I smell Former President Cock Curious' filthy doings all over this.

Posted by: Fritz at March 02, 2018 02:03 PM (2Mnv1)

236 So long as there is nothing resembling a press - and there isn't, and there won't be, any time soon


******

The Hogg kid was quoted last week as saying something along the lines of "I want to be a journalist and change the world."

That about sums it up.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 02, 2018 02:03 PM (wPiJc)

237 220 "So the TP is supposed to be somehow 'pure' and not fundraise? Geese Louise, the IRS took care of that one, didn't they."


Fundraising to support good candidates is great. Fundraising in which you keep 90% of donations for "administrative expenses" is not. Too many of the latter cropped up. Sorry.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (OD2ni)

The TEA Party attracted grifters so quickly it made my head spin.

I stopped by one rally briefly out of curiosity.

Made the mistake of giving my email address to someone with a clip board.

Somehow, that was cross indexed with a small donation I'd made to a politician in the past and the tea party types had my cell number (or something, who knows how they actually got it?) and within a day of going that rally I was getting BLOWN UP by what seemed to be at least a half dozen groups begging for money.

Groups that came and went, seemed to have made no impact, and I'm very curious where the money they raised ended up.

It left a really bad taste in my mouth. I didn't donate to any of those groups and have not donated any money to anything even close to political since then (2010.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2018 02:03 PM (F5+ro)

238 But Ace's call for our side to do more astroturfing is just silly.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (so+oy)


I don't know that is what ace's call is - I read "get better at this" as getting better at the fight - that doesn't mean we have to get better at a particular tactic, but rather at combatting it.

Assailing the unassailable is a good way to go about it. The Left does things that work because they work. Stop letting it work, and they stop doing it.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 02:03 PM (jHrzU)

239 Scorched earth and colander face mask time draws nearer.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 02, 2018 02:04 PM (KwTdE)

240 Posted by: blaster

........

Yes.. most definitely..



I thought Trump's visit kinda popped that balloon very quickly... at least deflated it somewhat.



But Ace's call for our side to do more astroturfing is just silly.



Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 02:00 PM (so+oy)

The right cannot astroturf like the left because we don't own any propaganda outlets that pass for news outlets.





Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2018 02:04 PM (ymnmz)

241 Piggly Wiggly will no longer stock Westinghouse M-27 phased plasma pulse rifles in the 40 watt range.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Gamestress of Triskelion at March 02, 2018 02:04 PM (qJtVm)

242 No Ace is right. The organization shown is the tip of a massive iceberg. The Left controls so many institutions that it's easy for them to organize at the drop of a hat. Not the other way around
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at March 02, 2018 01:54 PM (LkNE0)


No ... Ace is wrong. First Premises ... call them bullshit when wrong.

In this case, the notion that Being Good at Organizing Parades should hold any sway over shit like Will I Own a Semi-Automatic Mag-Fed Rifle. Nobody that's really serious about keeping their Semi-Auto Mag-Fed Rifle really gives a fuck how many times they parade. Their Parades are Moot ... must especially pertaining to The Bill of Rights. Because The Bill of Rights IS NOT A GOD-DAMN ENUMERATION OF WHAT I CAN DO. IT'S A WARNING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF SHIT THEY'D BEST NOT FUCK WITH.

Yes - Progressives are really go at showing up and having a collective bitch session. No - emulating their stupid-assed tactics is not a useful use of time. To imitate them accepts their Most Base of Premises ... that they define the rules of the game. That the combination of Ballot Box and Court House rules all.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 02, 2018 02:04 PM (8tuZ9)

243 Aside from many on the right having jobs and lives, Someone has to do the scut work to get people to show up for events. I doubt that people showed up for Tea Party rallies or the March for Life only because it was posted somewhere.

Posted by: mercenary13 at March 02, 2018 02:04 PM (Twaz5)

244 Savannah, get out of MY chair!

Posted by: Delaney Tarr, aspiring journolist at March 02, 2018 02:05 PM (n+6mJ)

245 >> We had a "resource officer" ..... ... in my high school during the Bush years, so that term definitely pre-dates anything Obama did.

well, that's good to know. I wonder how that term came up though. It is such a obfuscating term.

I think I am right about them reporting to DOJ through back channels though. I bet they went to a lot of meetings and got a lot of newsletters and shit from DC.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 02, 2018 02:05 PM (LWu6U)

246 241; glad i got mine before that happened.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 02, 2018 02:05 PM (KP5rU)

247 153 Half the country already thinks conservatives are heartless bastards.. let's convince the other half!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 02, 2018 01:53 PM (so+oy)

I wish we would.

We need to take all their favorite things, and make them not only illegal, but punishable in ways that harms them both physically and monetarily.

Posted by: Hikaru at March 02, 2018 02:05 PM (CMbMd)

248 If you really want to see supernatural results, watch what happens when a country adopts free markets. The "economic miracle" in Poland, for example. It isn't miraculous; it's totally predictable, and we've been saying this for decades.

I wonder how many commies actually believe these are miracles.

Posted by: FireHorse at March 02, 2018 02:05 PM (y+SdL)

249 Speilberg and that Katzenberg dude also matched the Clooney and Oprah $500 donations to this Hollywood magical kids production.

Posted by: stace at March 02, 2018 02:05 PM (6HFDU)

250 I am Tea Party, through-and through.

Thusly, the (T) in my nic.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 02:06 PM (Ckg4U)

251 let's not bicker and fight about who killed who.

let's demand the government stop giving our money to non-profits and a lot of this nonsense goes away.

Posted by: x at March 02, 2018 02:06 PM (nFwvY)

252 We do? Dammit. Any of you want to spring for a tibial/fibular elongation procedure for me?
Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 01:50 PM (NWiLs)

----

i hear AtC has quite a rack. Could i just get stretched over that?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 02, 2018 02:06 PM (h/uSM)

253 $500k, not $500

Posted by: stace at March 02, 2018 02:07 PM (6HFDU)

254 245 >> We had a "resource officer" ..... ... in my high school during the Bush years, so that term definitely pre-dates anything Obama did.

My high school had a "school resource officer" too, which was longer ago than I'd like to admit. It's not that new a term.

Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 02:07 PM (NWiLs)

255
The internet being the way it is, its nuts to shop at Dick's anyway. Better and cheaper stuff shows up on my doorstep and I save gas and time.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 02, 2018 02:07 PM (r+sAi)

256 235 Yeah, these "Magical Kids" stick Tide pods up their butts. I smell Former President Cock Curious' filthy doings all over this.
Posted by: Fritz at March 02, 2018 02:03 PM (2Mnv1)

---

that isn't how it's done

Posted by: Anal Bleachers local #4512 at March 02, 2018 02:07 PM (h/uSM)

257 Aside from many on the right having jobs and lives, Someone has to do the scut work to get people to show up for events. I doubt that people showed up for Tea Party rallies or the March for Life only because it was posted somewhere.
Posted by: mercenary13


We need 5,000 out of work on the right that we can have show up to protest at events. Oh, wait...

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 02:07 PM (yX09K)

258 If today's democrats (somehow, bc we know that would never happen w a democrat President by one of his own) had their duly elected President subjected to the horrors of a special counsel for almost a year, how many think there would not be WH petitions demanding an end, marches on Washington and a hundred other in-your-face examples of how angry they were? We write Congress and play by the rules. And, of course, nothing happens.


Posted by: Ever at March 02, 2018 02:07 PM (OLS0m)

259 It is Time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lDgugq8cfg

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 02:08 PM (Ckg4U)

260 Ridicule is handy but it ain't gonna do it. Lefties can literally murder soldiers and police and then wind up as full professors with tenure in short order - that's not even rare - all because they have this organization, own an entire shadow nation with its own laws and social mores. Meanwhile we are forever fractured. They ridicule and prosecute our organizations because they are the start of effective resistance.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at March 02, 2018 02:08 PM (LkNE0)

261 - We need to get better at this. -

By replacing the GOPe.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 02, 2018 02:08 PM (TKmA0)

262 "And unless I'm mistaken, it's still not been
disclosed which of the Cobs disappeared it. There are a few who are no
longer around, and at least a couple of them stopped posting on AoSHQ
around that time."




-------------------------
No going to name my suspect, but he has shitty taste in music.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 01:57 PM (OD2ni)

I'd bet money and a bag o dicks on which one.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 01:58 PM (yX09K)


Assuming your guesses are the same, that's probably a very good guess. I'd say I'm not certain though, because somebody else showed up here that day.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2018 02:08 PM (9chmE)

263 Lane Bryant still carries larger caliber ammo for big game.

Posted by: Sunday Coupons at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (KwTdE)

264 I know it's horrible to say, but we need to be the violent, brutal tyrants they imagine as us, or they'll never fall in line.

Posted by: Hikaru at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (CMbMd)

265 New SNL skit: The Anal-Retentive Anal Bleacher

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (h/uSM)

266 >>The TEA Party attracted grifters so quickly it made my head spin.

When you say grifters you mean deep state operatives.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (r9UYA)

267 -Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at March 02, 2018 02:08 PM (LkNE0)

I'll hate them better.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (Ckg4U)

268 1 It's almost like they had all the plans in place ready to execute at a moment's notice.
Posted by: Shep at March 02, 2018 01:21 PM (jxbfJ)

----

It's a short distance from "standing ready to exploit 24/7" to "allowing it to happen," and a further short distance to "arranged for it to happen," i.e. full-blown false flag.

I'm willing to seriously consider things I would have dismissed as crazy-talk just a year ago. Too many coincidences, loose ends, general viciousness, and official time-lines that make no sense and keep changing.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (jKWxY)

269 250 I am Tea Party, through-and through.

Thusly, the (T) in my nic.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 02:06 PM (Ckg4U)

Oh. I thought it stood for 'toxicated.

Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (NWiLs)

270 Ace, this is the result of having jobs and families. The Right doesn't have a professional agitator class.

Posted by: SDN at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (z3gg+)

271 Very little of the shit we see is real. I mean, events really happen I'm not saying they are faked. But the rest... we are bring organized, brainwashed and "shaped".

When Odumbshit was in the WH, he made fun of Trump repeatedly - he kept saying this is real it's not some "reality show". But like always he was laughing at us. He knows he's a puppet and had a script to follow every day. I mean the guy couldn't even go to a kindergarten classroom without his Magic Prompter.

Once you know you are being brainwashed and shaped and lead, you can do something to fight it. They ARE trying to make and keep you in a state of nervous anger. That's but one step in the larger process.

Posted by: Mega at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (PyFkE)

272 I had a History teacher in HS. He was a retired Marine Corps Colonel. He went to Princeton in the Summers to grade AP tests. When the teacher's union threatened to stage a "walk-out", he said "I will be here and you better be here too."

Just loved the guy. He gave 'A's for effort.

Posted by: JAS at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (sCN2W)

273 266 When you say grifters you mean deep state operatives.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (r9UYA)

And Glenn Beck.

Posted by: Hikaru at March 02, 2018 02:10 PM (CMbMd)

274 Time to form the Red Check Mafia. Plenty of retired Conservatives out there when time on their hands like me.

Where do we start?

Posted by: :) at March 02, 2018 02:10 PM (Fikbq)

275 >> least a couple of them stopped posting on AoSHQ around that time.


anyone else here remember wicked pinto? he was my favorite cob. I wonder where he is now.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 02, 2018 02:10 PM (LWu6U)

276 yep. Union folk get cover from their bosses to man the phones. Personally every time I see a bunch of kids demonstrating about something on TV I want to throw Tide Pods at the screen.

Posted by: vivi at March 02, 2018 02:10 PM (11H2y)

277 "Fundraising to support good candidates is great. Fundraising in which
you keep 90% of donations for "administrative expenses" is not. Too
many of the latter cropped up. Sorry.
=====

What planet are you from?
Posted by: mustbequantum"


Thanks for the positive feedback. Did I state something that was not obviously true? Look up the Tea Party Leadership Fund.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 02:10 PM (OD2ni)

278 And Glenn Beck.
Posted by: Hikaru

fuck that guy in particular

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 02, 2018 02:11 PM (FZYNt)

279 with not when*

Can't even blame it on a spell checker.

Posted by: :) at March 02, 2018 02:11 PM (Fikbq)

280 "Oh. I thought it stood for 'toxicated."
-Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (NWiLs)

Stop Being Funny... lol.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 02:11 PM (Ckg4U)

281 I'm willing to seriously consider things I would have dismissed as crazy-talk just a year ago. Too many coincidences, loose ends, general viciousness, and official time-lines that make no sense and keep changing.
======
Bengazi will do that to ya.

Also I did not have sex with that young woman, miss Lewinsky.

and If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

lots of lying.

Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 02:11 PM (vqQP1)

282 260
Ridicule is handy but it ain't gonna do it. Lefties can literally murder
soldiers and police and then wind up as full professors with tenure in
short order - that's not even rare - all because they have this
organization, own an entire shadow nation with its own laws and social
mores. Meanwhile we are forever fractured. They ridicule and prosecute
our organizations because they are the start of effective resistance.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at March 02, 2018 02:08 PM (LkNE0)


On one hand you say ridicule wont do it for us, on the other hand you say it's what gives them strength.



Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2018 02:11 PM (ymnmz)

283 Yo, its mad windy outside!


*******


Everyone knows it's windy.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 02, 2018 02:12 PM (wPiJc)

284 >>Ridicule is handy but it ain't gonna do it. Lefties can literally murder soldiers and police and then wind up as full professors with tenure in short order - that's not even rare - all because they have this organization, own an entire shadow nation with its own laws and social mores. Meanwhile we are forever fractured. They ridicule and prosecute our organizations because they are the start of effective resistance.

I think the NRA is a very good test case. Whatever your personal opinion it's hard not to see that they have fantastic organizing and messaging and they do not back down. In fact, I've been seeing reports that their membership has increased since Broward.

The big difference between the left and the right is that by nature the left is collectivist and the right is independent. It's a lot harder to organize independent people.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2018 02:12 PM (/tuJf)

285 274 Time to form the Red Check Mafia. Plenty of retired Conservatives out there when time on their hands like me.

Where do we start?
Posted by:

speaking for myself if I didn't have to go to work my time would be spent between perusing chaturbate and stocking up on tissues and lotion.

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 02, 2018 02:12 PM (FZYNt)

286 Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (jKWxY)

I'm in the same place, bro. And I am (unfortunately) one of the sanest people on the planet.

Posted by: Mega at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (PyFkE)

287 Lane Bryant still carries larger caliber ammo for big game.
Posted by: Sunday Coupons



Drop an elephant.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (yX09K)

288 Ridicule is an effective weapon and I use it at every opportunity.

...to great effect.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (Ckg4U)

289 when you get down to it, the CFPB was/is really just a bagman for these lefty operations.

Posted by: x at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (nFwvY)

290 278
And Glenn Beck.

Posted by: Hikaru



fuck that guy in particular

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 02, 2018 02:11 PM (FZYNt)

Careful now. You might make him cry.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (jxbfJ)

291 283 Yo, its mad windy outside!


*******


Everyone knows it's windy.
Posted by: Muldoon at March 02, 2018 02:12 PM (wPiJc)

What's the ICD-10-CM code for earworm removal?

Posted by: Insomniac - chopped liver at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (NWiLs)

292 These are are all symptoms of a failing, terminal society. As much as you love this country, it's over. Nothing last forever.

Posted by: REDACTED at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (VWsDy)

293 We on the right usually have something going on during the day on a weekday... jobs.

Posted by: Jason at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (uYpPl)

294 Drop an elephant.
Posted by: rickb223

or Lena Dunham

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (FZYNt)

295 Aside from many on the right having jobs and lives, Someone has to do
the scut work to get people to show up for events. I doubt that people
showed up for Tea Party rallies or the March for Life only because it
was posted somewhere.

Posted by: mercenary13



We actually do just show up because it is posted somewhere. We pay our own way. We join with like-minded individuals and split the costs of buses or we drive (even from several states away or, sometimes, from across the whole damn country). If we want signs, we buy materials and draw them ourselves. WE pay for our own political activity.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (f5uaD)

296 "Powder hoax suspect had "issues"

Ya think?

https://tinyurl.com/yccp5vx2

Posted by: tu3031 at March 02, 2018 02:14 PM (O5Q3r)

297 How Progressives Win the Culture War
David Brooks MARCH 1, 2018

Two things have fundamentally changed the landscape. First, over the past two years conservatives have self-marginalized. In supporting Donald Trump they have tied themselves to a man whose racial prejudices, sexual behavior and personal morality put him beyond the pale of decent society.

While becoming the movement of Dinesh D'Souza, Sean Hannity and Franklin Graham, they have essentially expelled the leaders and thinkers who have purchase in mainstream culture. Conservatism is now less a political or philosophic movement and more a separatist subculture that participates in its own ostracism.

Second, progressives are getting better and more aggressive at silencing dissenting behavior. All sorts of formerly legitimate opinions have now been deemed beyond the pale on elite campuses. Speakers have been disinvited and careers destroyed. The boundaries are being redrawn across society.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at March 02, 2018 02:14 PM (e8kgV)

298 I'm willing to seriously consider things I would have dismissed as crazy-talk just a year ago. Too many coincidences, loose ends, general viciousness, and official time-lines that make no sense and keep changing.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 02, 2018 02:09 PM (jKWxY)


The scariest thing to me about the Trump Presidency is that it has been revealed that the "Deep State" is real, and its spectacular.

I used to think all that government conspiracy talk was cray cray - now I don't see how I can rule ANY of it out.

Chuck Schumer who is not a back bencher bomb thrower said that if Trump took on the IC they could screw him six ways to Sunday. That's not idle chatter, he's not some nutter with a youtube channel, he is the Senate Minority Leader. He was making a threat against the President Elect of the US.

Bill Kristol (who is sadly demented but a prince of "thinkers" in DC) wrote that he preferred to be ruled by the Deep State rather than have a Trump administration.

Think about that.

But not too hard, because it will be hard to go to sleep at night.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 02:14 PM (jHrzU)

299 294
Drop an elephant.

Posted by: rickb223



or Lena Dunham

Posted by: Rick in SK at March 02, 2018 02:13 PM (FZYNt)

I'll see your Lena Dunham and raise you (no silly, certainly not lift her up) a Triggly Puff

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 02, 2018 02:14 PM (jxbfJ)

300 anyone else here remember wicked pinto? he was my favorite cob. I wonder where he is now.

Running free on a wide open plain with no humans trying to capture him again

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 02:14 PM (39g3+)

301 The Spanish Civil War is the only war I can think of where the victors did not get to write the history.

That is how entrenched the Left has been in propaganda for over a century.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 02, 2018 02:14 PM (oOYbM)

302 On one hand you say ridicule wont do it for us, on the other hand you say it's what gives them strength

+++

That's not all they do. It's backed by real tangible action from official sources.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at March 02, 2018 02:14 PM (LkNE0)

303 We represent the Tide Pod Guild, the Tide Pod Guild, the Tide Pod Guild. We wish to welcome you to Tide Pod Land!

Posted by: Magical Kids at March 02, 2018 02:15 PM (vtcmf)

304 These are are all symptoms of a failing, terminal society. As much as you love this country, it's over.
==========
The only things in doubt now are the timing and final mechanism.

Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 02:15 PM (N4P2b)

305 I think the NRA is a very good test case. Whatever your personal opinion it's hard not to see that they have fantastic organizing and messaging and they do not back down. In fact, I've been seeing reports that their membership has increased since Broward.

The big difference between the left and the right is that by nature the left is collectivist and the right is independent. It's a lot harder to organize independent people.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2018 02:12 PM (/tuJf)


The biggest difference between Most Leadership on the Left and Right, highlighted for your convenience.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 02, 2018 02:15 PM (8tuZ9)

306 239 Scorched earth and colander face mask time draws nearer.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 02, 2018 02:04 PM (KwTdE)

And me with my flammenwerfer in the shop.

Posted by: joncelli, delivering his speech at March 02, 2018 02:16 PM (RD7QR)

307
Burt, i believe he was a friend of the blogger at one time, dave in texas i believe Might have influenced that take down

weird dave was right.

but remember the times, we were actually surprised to find out many
conservative bigs weren't actually on the same team, it's a process. I'm
sure those stand outs Believe they are doing good, but it really isn't i
do believe we have to fight now, even if we fight dirty.



the left isn't really desiring to be pals, they want to drive us intothe sea.



those so cool not fighting them but fighting us, are really not preserving anything but the countries demise.

Posted by: willow at March 02, 2018 02:02 PM (/ikqi)


Some people, commenters and others,on this site were naive (some still are), as to the nature of the fight that was happening then.

Dave's post was clear and respectful, and essentially was a well-written disagreement with Rick Wilson.
When the post got disappeared, the ONLY conclusion one could draw, would be that the person who did it wasn't interested in having a civil discussion about what was at the time, the uncertainty of a Trump candidacy.


And that's not ok. It never is, anywhere it's done, and in my mind ESPECIALLY here on this site.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2018 02:16 PM (9chmE)

308 You know what delivers ridicule best?

My .300 Blackout.

Posted by: Under Fire at March 02, 2018 02:16 PM (r9UYA)

309
The big difference between the left and the right is that by nature the left is collectivist and the right is independent. It's a lot harder to organize independent people.
-----------

Not only that but Left also have a slavish devotion to their cause. Nothing is more important to them as individuals than their dopey cult.

Conservatives have things we care about but they involve family, tradition, God, country, and in most cases genuine humanity.

Not the fake stuff that makes you "feel" good. When you care that deeply about something, you MAKE the time for it.

Posted by: Mega at March 02, 2018 02:16 PM (PyFkE)

310 Its frustrating to me that Glen Beck went from good Conservative 101 intro guy to screwball in like 2 weeks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 02:16 PM (39g3+)

311 In supporting Donald Trump they have tied themselves to a man whose racial prejudices, sexual behavior and personal morality put him beyond the pale of decent society.

========

It's almost like they forget I even exist.

Posted by: Bill C. at March 02, 2018 02:17 PM (vg8iE)

312 304 These are are all symptoms of a failing, terminal society. As much as you love this country, it's over.
==========
The only things in doubt now are the timing and final mechanism.
Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 02:15 PM (N4P2b)

Inconsequential dynamics

Posted by: REDACTED at March 02, 2018 02:17 PM (VWsDy)

313 nood

Posted by: tu3031 at March 02, 2018 02:17 PM (O5Q3r)

314 Bill Kristol (who is sadly demented but a prince of "thinkers" in DC) wrote that he preferred to be ruled by the Deep State rather than have a Trump administration.
=========
OF COURSE HE DOES. FFS.

Because EVERY administration is a deep state administration except this one. They have been all along. Its like he took out a Frickin billboard on TIMES square and advertised it.

Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 02:17 PM (nvwdk)

315 "The Spanish Civil War is the only war I can think of where the victors did not get to write the history.

That is how entrenched the Left has been in propaganda for over a century.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth"


I had a friend in HS that had hippie parents and the dad was always droning on about the greatness about the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. I had never heard o f them asked my WW2 vet dad about them. His response: commie bastards.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 02, 2018 02:17 PM (OD2ni)

316 Where us the racism from Trump?Where is the sexual assault?(a bunch of flimsy charges not withstanding)Personal morality,really?Who are you to judge him you cunt?Does "beyond the pale" mean it is okay to just kill him?

Posted by: steevy at March 02, 2018 02:18 PM (LiyEm)

317 wickedpinto was a cob? I thought he was just a commenter with a meth streak a mile wide.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 02:18 PM (jHrzU)

318 The main reason the Left can organize into mobs and the Right can't is because the Right are inherently individualists. They can though become a single force on a temporary basis on a specific issue .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 02, 2018 02:18 PM (oOYbM)

319 Inconsequential dynamics

Posted by: REDACTED

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possibly. Unless you live to see it and are at ground zero of the final mechanism.

Posted by: simplemind at March 02, 2018 02:18 PM (XCwZQ)

320 Not only that but Left also have a slavish devotion to their cause. Nothing is more important to them as individuals than their dopey cult.

Its their religion, their faith. So they are as zealous about as any super religious person.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 02:19 PM (39g3+)

321 It might bear pointing out that if the Left is so incredibly adroit at organizing and have so much money to sway things, why were they not able to drag Hillary across the finish line? The perceived level of influence may be distorted.

Perhaps there is more of a truly grass-roots basis for hope.

Posted by: Muldoon at March 02, 2018 02:20 PM (wPiJc)

322 I use the term State Media in casual conversations.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 02, 2018 01:36 PM (gDq6o)


That's a much more accurate term. Much like Pravda was in the Soviet Union. Mind if I use it?

Posted by: LGoPs at March 02, 2018 02:20 PM (UThOJ)

323 Ghandi once said in regard to ridicule:

"First they smile at you, then they laugh at you, then they lose"

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2018 02:21 PM (ymnmz)

324 The big difference between the left and the right is that by nature the left is collectivist and the right is independent. It's a lot harder to organize independent people.
-----------

Okay who said that? That we observe the same thing makes it at least a valid point to two people.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 02, 2018 02:21 PM (oOYbM)

325 323
Ghandi once said in regard to ridicule:

"First they smile at you, then they laugh at you, then they lose"


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2018 02:21 PM (ymnmz)


Or was that Breitbart?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2018 02:21 PM (ymnmz)

326 wickedpinto was a cob? I thought he was just a commenter with a meth streak a mile wide.

Posted by: blaster at March 02, 2018 02:18 PM (jHrzU)


No, he was never a Cob here. Posted on that other site, where some of the folks who don't come around here anymore post. I can't remember the name of that place.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2018 02:21 PM (9chmE)

327 Yeah wicked pinto is over at the sister blog, h2

Posted by: NCKate at March 02, 2018 02:24 PM (qnZMI)

328 I'm old enough to remember when some working class nobody gave his opinion on taxes when Obama asked, and how it was his fault
that Obama replied with "socialism because reasons", and how we suddenly knew everything about the business and history of some nobody plumber from Podunk, Wherever.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I'm No Longer Selling ARs Until My $300 Ones Will Go For $1000 at March 02, 2018 02:24 PM (ASoyE)

329 My kid's Middle School was trying to develop a policy with respect to student protests, and specifically the upcoming walkout. At the PTA meeting, we suggested counting them as truant, but were vastly outnumbered (we live in one of those "keep XXX weird" communities where everyone has a Mental Illness Haircut). The school decided to allow it, so we'll either explain to our boy why he should not participate, or give him a sign that says "I support the Constitution" or "Arm our Teachers"

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at March 02, 2018 02:25 PM (VGRuw)

330 Its their religion, their faith. So they are as zealous about as any super religious person.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 02, 2018 02:19 PM (39g3+)


Agreed. And these dead kids are the human sacrifice that they're willing to offer in furtherance of their "religion".

Hell, they're not much different than the Aztecs in that regard.

Posted by: LGoPs at March 02, 2018 02:25 PM (UThOJ)

331 Maybe he wasn't a cob, but he did the occasional post. I don't think they were called ONT back then, but he would do posts to fill time.

At least, i am pretty sure he did.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 02, 2018 02:26 PM (LWu6U)

332 Thanks for the positive feedback. Did I state something that was not obviously true? Look up the Tea Party Leadership Fund.
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And all these 'change' organizations are going to support themselves somehow? (see, eg, Clinton Global Initiative, Organizing for America, etc)

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 02, 2018 02:28 PM (MIKMs)

333 I don't know if anyone else mentioned it, but this morning Central Michigan University went on lockdown. Today is traditionally the busiest Friday as students go home or on vacation for Spring Break.

Rumor says a student shot his parents dead when they came to pick him up. Police say he's a young black man who was hospitalized Thursday night after what may have been a bad reaction to drugs.

The Detroit radio stations have not pushed gun control. In fact, the calls have all been about personal responsibility and the problem of mental health issues in young people. So people here at least seem to have their heads on straight.

I don't think it hurts that Chief Craig of Detroit and other officials are big proponents of citizens getting training and using guns in self-defense.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at March 02, 2018 02:29 PM (G8B7r)

334 In supporting Donald Trump they have tied themselves to a man whose racial prejudices, sexual behavior and personal morality put him beyond the pale of decent society.

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well, there are only two reactions.

1. the cuck never trump sad GOP of "ok, fine, we hate him too, you're right about everything, we surrender" that has been the go-to position for 2 decades.

OR

2. fuck you. war.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at March 02, 2018 02:44 PM (V3U1L)

335 329 My kid's Middle School was trying to develop a policy with respect to student protests, and specifically the upcoming walkout. At the PTA meeting, we suggested counting them as truant, but were vastly outnumbered (we live in one of those "keep XXX weird" communities where everyone has a Mental Illness Haircut). The school decided to allow it, so we'll either explain to our boy why he should not participate, or give him a sign that says "I support the Constitution" or "Arm our Teachers"
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at March 02, 2018 02:25 PM

Our local high school is having a walkout, but the administrators are going to be there to make sure they return after the rally. Police officers will also be on hand.

The local police have really been around the school lately. We had ALICE training this week and I was "shot" by a plain clothes police officer. It was less than a minute from the first shot in the hallway to him coming into a classroom and shooting several of us teachers meeting.

I'm glad that our administrators are taking security more seriously than previous ones.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at March 02, 2018 02:44 PM (G8B7r)

336 I hate to say it but unless the endless day in, day out leftist indoctrination in today's educational system can be stopped, its pretty much a lost cause in the long run.

Posted by: Bob in Houston-Vast Right Wing Basket of deplorable! at March 02, 2018 02:56 PM (XRxxn)

337 The headline is mistaken. The real question is why did they report it in only two weeks? Next year, or next decade, would be more their speed. Assuming they report it at all, which is asking a lot.

These are guys who still say Stalin's Russia was just awesome.

Posted by: George LeS at March 02, 2018 03:12 PM (+TcCF)

338 Eh. A significant part of the "magic" is the 85% liberal media 1) ideologically aligned with these kids, 2) publicizing them non-stop, and 3) actively hyping the "magic kids" organizing and downplaying the big money behind them.

Any organization on the right can try their best at this kind of "magical organization", but without the alignment of the media and the left, you're not going to come close to what you're seeing with these kids.

Posted by: deadrody at March 02, 2018 03:21 PM (1lnp9)

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