Revealed: The Criminal Referral for Christopher Steele

I believe the existence of this criminal referral made the news (barely) on January 4th, but now you can read the heavily-redacted criminal referral itself.

Steele is being referred to the prosecutorial arms of the government for a possible violation of 18 USC 1001, which makes it criminal to lie or to mislead or conceal by trickery any material fact to a federal tribunal or inquiry. There are so many redactions I can't quite make out what he's being accused of misleading the FBI about, but it seems to be either:

1, the timing of when he told the FBI he gave briefings to the media, that is, he claimed these briefings occurred at the end of October 2016 but in fact he has now admitted some occurred in the summer/early fall of 2016,

and/or

2, that he remained in close contact with Clinton associates [Redacted] and maybe also [Redacted], who were feeding him "intelligence" which he in turn passed off, maybe, as his own intel. Those redacted names would belong to, most likely, non-intelligence-officers/longtime Hillary "fixers" and smear merchants Sidney Blumenthal and Cody Shearer.

A possibility occurs to me: What if Steele is just the Front Man hired to put a presentable face on the detestable, dishonest mercenaries Blumenthal and Shearer? What if most of the crap in the "Steele Dossier" in fact originated with this repellent pair, with "widely-respected British spy" Christopher Steele hired just to do a very low level of checking on the claims and then slap his own much-more-credible name on the shoddy "research"?

What if Steele's involvement was mostly limited to telephoning wannabe-007 Sidney Blumenthal's dodgy contacts and talking with them for a bit?

What if Steele is really just a cut-out?

You know -- Dezinformazioniya. Maskarova. Plus various other Russian espionage terms gleaned from Le Carre.

Open thread. Jeeze Lousie, I'm dead tired.

Posted by: Ace at 07:36 PM




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Posted by: drunk ace, airing his grievances at February 05, 2018 07:32 PM (8rNrN)

2 3?

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at February 05, 2018 07:33 PM (nWc4E)

3 Absolutely third!

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at February 05, 2018 07:34 PM (nWc4E)

4 Not just possible, but quite probable that Steele was a Deep State cutout.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 05, 2018 07:34 PM (hyuyC)

5 More of these are needed !

ASAP !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at February 05, 2018 07:34 PM (oVWx5)

6 or make him walk plank

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 05, 2018 07:35 PM (BtQd4)

7 I think she is supposed to be referred to as "debbie doberman schlitz"

I could be wrong on that.

Posted by: Exile at February 05, 2018 07:35 PM (Fikbq)

8 Steele Justice!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 07:35 PM (2iZKp)

9 If you haven't been to the treehouse and read the story about Carter Page you should. I never have understood who he was/is in all this.

Why does Carter Page keep showing up and who the hell is he anyway?

It's all laid out there. CP was their boy all along. He was the "insurance policy".

SFW but not for your BP.

https://tinyurl.com/ycazfppe

Posted by: weirdflunky at February 05, 2018 07:35 PM (1dJK4)

10 Just hang every Democrat and let God sort it out.
This is such a disgrace.

Posted by: navybrat at February 05, 2018 07:35 PM (w7KSn)

11 Who is the magnet?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 05, 2018 07:36 PM (IqV8l)

12 I find a lot of this stuff really depressing. Nothing will ever happen to Hillary or Obama, or any other high leftist. Sidney Blumenthal will certainly never dangle on a rope.

But if I were to do one billionth of these things, I'd be at best in prison forever.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 05, 2018 07:36 PM (l9m7l)

13 criminal to lie or to mislead or conceal by trickery any material fact to a federal tribunal or inquiry.

So when will be Comey be charged under this statute?

How about Hillary?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 05, 2018 07:37 PM (4ErVI)

14 So, who is this being "referred" to, exactly ?

DOJ ?

O - tay then. Right.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at February 05, 2018 07:38 PM (oVWx5)

15 HARRUMPH. I SAY. GOOD SIR!

Posted by: Chairman of The Committee Against Commas as Periods at February 05, 2018 07:38 PM (32tyq)

16 What is it with Hillary? She can't even pull off 3rd rate con job correctly.

Posted by: Rgallegos at February 05, 2018 07:39 PM (59GQk)

17 It really wasn't that long ago that the Left hated the FBI and the DoJ.

Posted by: JAS at February 05, 2018 07:39 PM (7JbXq)

18 Remington Steele > Christopher Steele

Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 07:39 PM (EzdLW)

19 -

"Fugazi" isn't very old at all. It simply means: "as f'ed-up, AND as covered-up as Benghazi".


Posted by: irright at February 05, 2018 07:39 PM (RVcmP)

20 I'm Obama goes underground only to emerge in Haiti as Barak Obama Duvalier.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 07:40 PM (nBr1j)

21 "debbie doberman schlitz"

or Debbie Wassername Schmutz

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 05, 2018 07:40 PM (6FqZa)

22 Steele. Christopher Steele. Double-knot spy.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 05, 2018 07:40 PM (ewxPW)

23 Asshole Sid always shows up with Hillary. He was behind Benghazi. There is NO doubt his hand is in this shit.

Posted by: George at February 05, 2018 07:40 PM (GX3hu)

24 steele as the front man ? Sure Much like Page was in mho

Posted by: willow at February 05, 2018 07:40 PM (Z8j2x)

25 Everything sounds classy & authoritative with a British accent. Even Russian hookers pissing on a bed.

Posted by: josephistan at February 05, 2018 07:40 PM (ANIFC)

26 This isn't even justice delayed, this is justice denied.
For years I've purported that our government is shot through with corruption, from top to bottom, even when we had a Republican government.
This is actually much worse than I had even imagined.

Posted by: navybrat at February 05, 2018 07:40 PM (w7KSn)

27 21. Her stage-name? Lady Mayonnaise.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 05, 2018 07:41 PM (fA1SL)

28 Sid 'Vicious' Blumenthal has been directly or indirectly involved with every major piece of nefarious political skulduggery at the national level for decades. He's so loathsome and vile even Obama detests him.

Please let him go to jail. Pretty please.

Posted by: troyriser at February 05, 2018 07:41 PM (raGQi)

29 Norther, i imagine he'll steal Barry Whites name.

Posted by: willow at February 05, 2018 07:41 PM (Z8j2x)

30 Open thread. Jeeze Lousie, I'm dead tired.

Posted by: Ace at 07:36 PM

Ace, I'm not finished with you. Get back in here, now!

*spreads swampy hairy bush*

Posted by: Louise Mensch at February 05, 2018 07:41 PM (g4lFK)

31 i thought Brits would use Piss on the bed, as in drunk on the bed.

Posted by: willow at February 05, 2018 07:42 PM (Z8j2x)

32 I believe this is the referral made because Steele testimony conflicted with FBI testimony. On the surface it appears that Steele lied in testimony, but the referrers know it is the FBI testimony that was lies.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 05, 2018 07:42 PM (Eu5eZ)

33 >>A possibility occurs to me: What if Steele is just the >>Front Man hired to put a presentable face on the detestable, dishonest mercenaries Blumenthal and Shearer? What if most of the crap in the "Steele Dossier" in fact originated with this repellent pair, with "widely-respected British spy" Christopher Steele hired just to do a very low level of checking on the claims and then slap his own much-more-credible name on the shoddy "research"?

Wait. Didn't;t you already make a post of this today?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:42 PM (/tuJf)

34 16
What is it with Hillary? She can't even pull off 3rd rate con job correctly.

Posted by: Rgallegos at February 05, 2018 07:39 PM (59GQk)

She got away with White Water scam and hide Bill's rape.

Posted by: George at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (GX3hu)

35 27 21. Her stage-name? Lady Mayonnaise.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 05, 2018 07:41 PM (fA1SL),

Girl in high school got the nickname Mayonnaise Jar by some Chads at another school we were friends with.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (g4lFK)

36 Could someone please 'splain "cut out" to me?

I'm guessing it's not like the one of Her Heinous that those drunken frat boys were squeezing her tits with in that picture, is it?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (tRaq7)

37 Posted by: Louise Mensch at February 05, 2018 07:41 PM (g4lFK)

Wow. I did not need that image.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (2iZKp)

38 Blumenthal.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (63oy9)

39 you know, during the election, when hillary was being investigated there was lots of noise about how the rank and file gov employees in the fbi, doj, wherever were really solid citizens who believed in their oaths and loved their country and were really disgusted withe treacherous behavior of comey and everyone else.

however, they could not take a stand, and should not be expected to take a stand, despite the oaths they had taken to uphold the law and so on, because they needed their jobs, had mortgages, and were concerned with protecting their pensions. you know, they were concerned with that wrongdoing they were witnessing or complicit in within reason.

so, now that Trump has won, that the swamp is being drained, that evidence of the deep state treachery is being revealed, where is the loyal, honorable, rank and file core? why are they not out there blowing their whistles and pointing the way to the evidence to prosecute the treacherous deep state agents?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (MTjB1)

40 "Fugazi" isn't very old at all. It simply means: "as f'ed-up, AND as covered-up as Benghazi".


Johnny Depp's character used it to mean "fake" in Donnie Brasco. It was a limousine service in NYC back then, I guess the name just sounded right.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (fuK7c)

41 THEN WHO WAS MAGNET???

Posted by: confused meme guy at February 05, 2018 07:44 PM (ewxPW)

42 -
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27
21. Her stage-name? Lady Mayonnaise.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 05, 2018 07:41 PM

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Don't you get saucy with me, Mayonaisse.


Posted by: HillBot 2016 at February 05, 2018 07:44 PM (RVcmP)

43 To be fair, the claw back from this scorched earth policy of Commies is exhausting.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 07:44 PM (g4lFK)

44 The KGB and Soviet Disinformation: An Insider's View by Ladislav Bittman refers.

The Dems were nowhere near the level of mastery in the KGB, but they had media top cover. The KGB Second Chief Directorate and the GRU would mock the Dems as moose & squirrel operation.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 05, 2018 07:44 PM (hyuyC)

45 40. We don't pay mooks.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 05, 2018 07:44 PM (fA1SL)

46 Must kill Moose and Squirrel.

Posted by: tcn in AK at February 05, 2018 07:45 PM (7UW64)

47 i like cuties

Posted by: concrete girl at February 05, 2018 07:45 PM (C6eZV)

48 *waiting for zombie to provide the definitive history of mayonnaise*

Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (EzdLW)

49 The crack monkeys sleeping it off?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (2iZKp)

50 I read a couple of Le Carre's works and it always seemed as if he likes to kill off his characters at the end of his espionage novels. Strangely savage.

Posted by: Fritz at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (bJ0w+)

51 49. Hitting the reward button here, boss!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (fA1SL)

52 so, now that Trump has won, that the swamp is being drained, that evidence of the deep state treachery is being revealed, where is the loyal, honorable, rank and file core? why are they not out there blowing their whistles and pointing the way to the evidence to prosecute the treacherous deep state agents?

How do you they aren't? Just because they aren't doing it in front of tv cameras doesn't mean people aren't talking behind the scene like most whistleblowers.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (/tuJf)

53 i like cuties
Posted by: concrete girl at February




what happens if you cross the threads?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:47 PM (MTjB1)

54 50

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at February 05, 2018 07:47 PM (hMwEB)

55 curses

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at February 05, 2018 07:47 PM (hMwEB)

56 Wow. I did not need that image.

How about me tucking my tits into my yoga pants, hottie?

Posted by: zombie helen thomas at February 05, 2018 07:48 PM (ewxPW)

57 so, now that Trump has won, that the swamp is being drained, that evidence of the deep state treachery is being revealed, where is the loyal, honorable, rank and file core? why are they not out there blowing their whistles and pointing the way to the evidence to prosecute the treacherous deep state agents?

How do you they aren't? Just because they aren't doing it in front of tv cameras doesn't mean people aren't talking behind the scene like most whistleblowers.
Posted by: JackStraw at February




1. well, I don't, but you would not be so difficult to blow the whistle if you were not worried about covering your ass and simply exposing wrong doing.

2. it is more fun to ask the question this way.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:48 PM (MTjB1)

58 it's ok, i looked both ways

Posted by: concrete girl at February 05, 2018 07:48 PM (C6eZV)

59 How do you they aren't? Just because they aren't doing it in front of tv cameras doesn't mean people aren't talking behind the scene like most whistleblowers.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (/tuJf)

My wife and I were arguing, er - discussing, this exact thing this morning. I'm an optimist by nature and agree with JackStraw.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at February 05, 2018 07:49 PM (T71PA)

60 http://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2018/02/my-theory-of-carter-page-fisa-fraud.html

Posted by: Skip Go Birds! at February 05, 2018 07:49 PM (aC6Sd)

61 it's ok, i looked both ways
Posted by: concrete girl at February




whew.




right left right?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:49 PM (MTjB1)

62 "The Honorable Rod J. Rosenstein, Deputy Attorney General"


heh

Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 07:49 PM (EzdLW)

63 A "cut-out" is a strawman used to obscure the identity of a principal in intelligence operations.

Spy gets valuable document.
Passes document to "cut-out".
"Cut-out" passes document to another agent for delivery.

It is in this sense actually related to the big cardboard figures.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at February 05, 2018 07:50 PM (oVWx5)

64 Moose out front shoulda told ya

Posted by: morigu at February 05, 2018 07:50 PM (RjtEf)

65 Has the FBI finally embarrassed itself enough that it now needs a fall guy?

That's sort of how that reads to me...

Steele LIED to us, he's such a BAD MAN, and so tricky that he FOOLED us into getting a FISA warrant using blatantly false and corrupted information.


Waaa.

Or maybe its the start of a real housecleaning.

Posted by: LASue at February 05, 2018 07:50 PM (BZA5F)

66 -
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what happens if you cross the threads?


Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:47 PM

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Weaving.


Posted by: irright at February 05, 2018 07:50 PM (RVcmP)

67 62 "The Honorable Rod J. Rosenstein, Deputy Attorney General"


heh
Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 07:49 PM (EzdLW)


aka Rosenpenis, aka Rosen-Rosen.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2018 07:50 PM (mbhDw)

68 so, now that Trump has won, that the swamp is being drained, that evidence of the deep state treachery is being revealed, where is the loyal, honorable, rank and file core? why are they not out there blowing their whistles and pointing the way to the evidence to prosecute the treacherous deep state agents?
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (MTjB1)

When we went through a government shutdown under Obama, the Park Service police were harassing people. It was....eye opening and sad. I still have hope there are good people somewhere to be found in government service. Just an old fools dream these days, it seems.

Posted by: jsg at February 05, 2018 07:50 PM (khbK2)

69 But it is getting time - if there are any honest agents left in the FBI, they had better start making themselves be known.

The Agency itself is about to lose all credibility with a huge segment of the American public - it is fading daily. If they don't act to acknowledge the treachery and face what has been done, they could very well end up being disbanded and replaced.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 05, 2018 07:51 PM (V2Yro)

70 I think we're in the timeline where things are going our way. I've seen more evidence for the God Emperor winning than for him losing.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 05, 2018 07:51 PM (6FqZa)

71 however, why would you assume that they would be less concerned with their pensions and everything else?

When you have made the decision that the price of your honor is your government pay and pension when is the risk too high?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:51 PM (MTjB1)

72 so far the only evidence of collusion is the hillary campaign. although, it appears, from time to time, various high level people throughout america talk to foreigners. weird.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 07:51 PM (V3U1L)

73 My wife and I were arguing, er - discussing, this exact thing this morning. I'm an optimist by nature and agree with JackStraw.
Posted by: DR.WTF? at February 05, 2018 07:49 PM (T71PA)

#metoo

And if they are doing it right, they definitely don't want to be advertising the whistleblowers. And there are some, that we know already. But man, to go against the FBI? That's seriously dangerous.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 07:51 PM (ohNf0)

74
what happens if you cross the threads?

...

Textiles?

Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February 05, 2018 07:51 PM (4dvb/)

75 Strangely savage.
Posted by: Fritz at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (bJ0w+)

You say savage.

I say convenient.

*hic

Posted by: hillary at February 05, 2018 07:52 PM (48QDY)

76 18 Remington Steele > Christopher Steele

Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 07:39 PM (EzdLW)

I laughed.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 05, 2018 07:52 PM (4ErVI)

77 Middleman, IOW. Got it.

Thanks, sock_rat_eez.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at February 05, 2018 07:52 PM (tRaq7)

78 How do you they aren't? Just because they aren't doing it in front of tv cameras doesn't mean people aren't talking behind the scene like most whistleblowers.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (/tuJf)

Uh-huh. Remember when we were told about all those principled FBI agents who were going to resign if they whitewashed the Clinton email investigation? Career beurocrats gonna beurocrat.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 05, 2018 07:52 PM (63oy9)

79 "I did not have sexual relations with that dossier."

- Hillary Clinton (who will never be President of the United States)

Posted by: an indifferent Russian Bot at February 05, 2018 07:52 PM (gBv3T)

80 39
so, now that Trump has won, that the swamp is being drained, that evidence of the deep state treachery is being revealed, where is the loyal, honorable, rank and file core? why are they not out there blowing their whistles and pointing the way to the evidence to prosecute the treacherous deep state agents?
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (MTjB1)


The world wonders.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 07:52 PM (sdi6R)

81 Has the FBI finally embarrassed itself enough that it now needs a fall guy?

That's sort of how that reads to me...

Steele LIED to us, he's such a BAD MAN, and so tricky that he FOOLED us into getting a FISA warrant using blatantly false and corrupted information.


Waaa.

Or maybe its the start of a real housecleaning.
Posted by: LASue at February




how the fuck is colt severs going to help with any of this?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:52 PM (MTjB1)

82 JackStraw, you have no idea how much I hope you're right about all of this.
Some days I have more trouble being optimistic than others.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (oVWx5)

83

IOW, Obama and Clinton "had a lot of buffers."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (mbhDw)

84 In the olden days, when people broke the law they were punished.

Punished.

Lots of people need to be punished.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (EoRCO)

85 >>A "cut-out" is a strawman used to obscure the identity of a principal in intelligence operations.

Dude, don't blow my cover.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (/tuJf)

86 Yeah cutouts. In the Clinton campaign there were a lot of cutouts

Posted by: Christoper "Cicci" Steele at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (gBv3T)

87 3 A "cut-out" is a strawman used to obscure the identity of a principal in intelligence operations.


Here I'll save you the suspense. It's Sydney Blumenthal.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (63oy9)

88 I am annoyed at Fallon.

His impressions are always good, so I was enjoying his little schtick last night and I noticed the lyrics, from what was understandable, were boiler plate "trump lowered our common democracy by fighting back" and all sorts of "kneeling is kewl, kids" stuff.

wow.

He's trying so hard to repent because he didn't smack trump in his stupid cheeto face when trump was a guest. boo.

and it's try hard because, um, trump's approval is up. You're not on the trolley, fallon. sad!

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (V3U1L)

89 83

IOW, Obama and Clinton "had a lot of buffers."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (mbhDw)

Also fluffers.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 07:54 PM (2iZKp)

90 Are we leaning on the British government, yet...to serve up their rogue ex-agent. It seems to me there should be a bit of embarrassment on that side of the pond, and they should be using all resources to locate and bring him to heal.

He should be dropped off in front of the Federal Court building with a Union Jack bow and a note pinned to his lapel..."Bloody sorry old chap..."

Posted by: Orson-bot at February 05, 2018 07:54 PM (5BFfv)

91 what happens if you cross the threads?'

Helicoil?

Posted by: The Legoslative Bunch at February 05, 2018 07:54 PM (UdKB7)

92 We have found the swamp is to big to be drained in a year let alone 4

Posted by: Skip Go Birds! at February 05, 2018 07:54 PM (aC6Sd)

93 like most whistleblowers.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (/tuJf)

Most?

Some?

Any?

None?

Quick. Name the first/last whistleblower that comes to mind.

That Fed pension is a powerful drug.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 07:54 PM (48QDY)

94 A "cut-out" is a strawman used to obscure the identity of a principal in intelligence operations.

Dude, don't blow my cover.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (/tuJf)

Also, the turtles dying from straws. Don't forget that.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 07:54 PM (ohNf0)

95 I've always associated the word fugazi with Peter Gabriel but I don't know why.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 05, 2018 07:54 PM (yL25O)

96 With all of the moving parts in this shitshow the actions of the Hillary-corrupted State Department seem not to be getting the attention they deserve. Why is the State department collecting oppo research on a US Presidential candidate? Why is the State Department disseminating oppo research to a different Presidential candidate? Are there any parts of the Federal government the Obama administration didn't corrupt?

Posted by: motionview at February 05, 2018 07:54 PM (pYQR/)

97 now that Trump has won, that the swamp is being drained, that evidence of the deep state treachery is being revealed, where is the loyal, honorable, rank and file core? why are they not out there blowing their whistles and pointing the way to the evidence to prosecute the treacherous deep state agents?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:43 PM (MTjB1)
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Rotten to the core

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 07:55 PM (U8pol)

98 Christopher Steele is English. What will happen to him in the U.S.? Nothing, I expect.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 05, 2018 07:55 PM (8+Ozj)

99 Mara Lago will be the temporary the capital soon.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 07:55 PM (g4lFK)

100 and SNL was really buthurt, going full mean girls. Sure, there's a memo showing the hillary campaign and obama admin lied to spy on americans, but Nunes is the 40 year old virgin. ermergerd...slam!

They actually went there.

sad.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 07:55 PM (V3U1L)

101 It's actually just swamp all the way down, isn't it?

Posted by: TexasDan at February 05, 2018 07:55 PM (yL25O)

102 84 In the olden days, when people broke the law they were punished.

Punished.

Lots of people need to be punished.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM (EoRCO)

I'm old enough to remember people resigning over much, much less than this. Even a whiff of something out of bounds and they stepped down. Often criminal charges followed if it cleared the bar for such action.

Now? Ha!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 05, 2018 07:56 PM (4ErVI)

103 Yup, this is the one where FBI (Comey) said [redacted] and Steele said [redacted] which contradicts what FBI said. So, obviously Steele lied. Prosecute him.

But... they know the FBI lied.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 05, 2018 07:56 PM (Eu5eZ)

104 -
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Dude, don't blow my cover.


Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM

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Don't cover yourself with a penis, or you are asking for it.


Posted by: Sheppy wants to please at February 05, 2018 07:56 PM (RVcmP)

105 Steele is being used by Grassley to get at the Obama corrupted FBI.

Posted by: CM9000 at February 05, 2018 07:56 PM (6UYA5)

106 52> I have read that there are "black hats" and "white hats" at odds with each other in the federal government. Hell, I work in it and I know this to be true, at least on a level I'm familiar with.

I would not be surprised to see an "information war" blossom this spring between these groups with the end game to be total control of the narrative in 2018-2020.

This is why I believe momentum is our friend. Keep those memos coming out as fast as possible. Nunes cracked open the door. Now it needs to be kicked in.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at February 05, 2018 07:56 PM (iiixZ)

107 It is said that the artfully sculpted ponds and waterways in the park where the FBI building once stood, is a beautiful and very suitable monument.

Fittingly, it was made to look a bit like a swamp, as a reminder, and yes, a warning, to what few Federal Employees remain in the mostly emptied out marble edifices to excessive government.

D.C. was built on reclaimed swampland.

And the swampland had spent the last hundred years, doing it's best to reclaim it's right, at every desk and chair in the entire enterprise.

Until, that is, that one cold, fateful January day, when the Golden Scalpweasel stood astride the tide of sewage, and yelled, "Stop, BIGLY!"

And lo, it did. Not all at once, and not without a screaming and wailing and rending of garments so as to cause awe and wonderment from Job himself.

This, children, is the tale of The Trumperian Era...and here's the surprise.

It isn't a fable, and wasn't a fairy tale.

It really happened. Some of our Grandparents who witnessed it, are still alive to tell the tales, too.

Go, sit on their laps now, and learn the wisdom of your elders.


/*future books*



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 05, 2018 07:56 PM (QzJWU)

108 What if there are no actual Russian contacts and it's all made up?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (yQpMk)

109 Recall the VA whistleblower and how that went. And what happened to all those people who came before him and tried to blow the whistle. And that was the VA.

This is the corrupt FBI. Anyone would give this a lot of thought, especially if you have family.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (ohNf0)

110 Google has openly threatened to unmask whistle blowers recently.

If people are whistle blowing its some old school spy craft like misdirection of ravens versus pigeons communications.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (g4lFK)

111 Christopher Steele is English. What will happen to him in the U.S.? Nothing, I expect.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 05, 2018 07:55 PM (8+Ozj)

Don't matter. Trump trolled him too.

He was just chum.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (48QDY)

112 101 It's actually just swamp all the way down, isn't it?
Posted by: TexasDan at February 05, 2018 07:55 PM (yL25O)

Yep and we're all going to be shocked at how quickly it's all forgotten when the market crashes the rest of the week.

Well most will anyway.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (63oy9)

113 Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX



That gave me goosebumps.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (ohNf0)

114 Just a bit more on the Page theme from last thread.


So the "evidence" for Page being dirty was merely an unverified
assertion in the infamous "dossier" that he met with dubious Russkis
while in Moscow, right? Where Page worked in a Merril Lynch office.
And where contact with dubious Russkis is no more avoidable than
breathing the air.


Gowdy, on at TV appearance said the FISA
affidavit re Page had three elements of documentation: dossier, news
story based on dossier, and "other information". He didn't specify what
that was. Unless it was hard evidence of the normal sort
(observations/surveillance/penetration of adversary's secrets), how TF
would a FISC judge approve Title I surveillance? And Gowdy would surely
have noted that the "other" info was compelling, if it were. And
McCabe's testimony that the dossier was the sine qua non for the
affidavit hangs out there.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2018 07:58 PM (QDnY+)

115 IOW, Obama and Clinton "had a lot of buffers."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2018 07:53 PM

============================

Wwe wouldn't expect Hillary to wax and polish herself, now would we?

Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 07:58 PM (EzdLW)

116 108 What if there are no actual Russian contacts and it's all made up?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (yQpMk)

Likely.

Although I wanted to quip (apropos of nothing): "What if Ace is really JAMES COMEY?!?!"

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 07:58 PM (2iZKp)

117 108 What if there are no actual Russian contacts and it's all made up?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (yQpMk)

Noooooooo!

Posted by: Agent Smith posing as Russian Whores at February 05, 2018 07:58 PM (g4lFK)

118 well, in the attkisson article she lays out how the woods rule required people from the field office to hq and then even in a special fisa department to review and then approve everything associated with the Trump fisa warrants.

First off, was there no one in the chain to say no to the fraudulent warrants? Second, when do we get someone in the chain to step forth and point out the abuse.

The identification, publicly, of the bad actors, big and small is as important as anything else.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 07:58 PM (MTjB1)

119 >>JackStraw, you have no idea how much I hope you're right about all of this.
Some days I have more trouble being optimistic than others.

Did you read the link Tami put up in the thread below? This is finally all starting to come together and the corruption appears to have been even worse than I had thought and I thought it was pretty fucking bad.

Everything we thought happened did and then some.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (/tuJf)

120 Stephanie Zimbalist > Remington Steele > Christopher Steele

Posted by: MISHBOT at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (y3aQB)

121 The entire Trump/Russia collusion story is childish and unbelievable on its face. Think about it:


1) Obama is caught on open mike in 2012 telling Putin (actually President Dmitry Medvedev) that "he'll be more flexible after the election". If that's not being a patsy to Putin as well as the textbook definition of collusion I don't know what is, e.g.; Hey Vlad go light on me and I'll pretend to be tough on you and after the election I'll be flexible...win, wink, nudge, nudge. Meanwhile I'll give you what you want...like maybe 20% of our uranium?


2) Immediately after taking office he sends Hillary, his SoS to Russia with a plastic RESET button from Staples for crying out loud. And her staff mis-translates RESET to something confusing and incorrect. You might expect a stunt like this from a high school sophomore but it was embarrassingly amateurish and un-professional to anyone who is an adult.


3) Under Hillary as SoS and Obama's approval we sold 20% of our uranium to Russia. WTF? I thought they were the bad guys. Or is that only when a Republican needs to be discredited and smeared.


4) Obama threatened to bankrupt the coal industry and declared war on US oil production. Since oil production is Russian's leading source of income this would have been welcomed by Putin and he'd want more of it.


5) Hillary as President would have guaranteed MORE OF IT.


6) I won't even go into detail on Hillary's unsecured e-mails server which was no doubt read by every intelligence agency on the planet adn gave Putin plenty to blackmail her with.


So ask your self the question: Why on earth would Putin want to "hack our election" so that Trump would win. The same Trump who promised - and is delivering - US energy independence and Making America Great Again - thus hurting Russia economically where it hurts the most.


A 5th grader could figure this out.



Posted by: LGoPs at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (UThOJ)

122 Name the first/last whistleblower that comes to mind

..

Da.

Posted by: Edward Snowden at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (4dvb/)

123 Grassley has proof the FBI lied about Steele.

Posted by: CM9000 at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (6UYA5)

124 109 Recall the VA whistleblower and how that went. And what happened to all those people who came before him and tried to blow the whistle. And that was the VA.

This is the corrupt FBI. Anyone would give this a lot of thought, especially if you have family.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (ohNf0)


Three in the back of the head. Clearly a suicide. Case closed.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (NWiLs)

125 Christoper "Cicci" Steele said: "Yeah cutouts. In the Clinton campaign there were a lot of cutouts"

Clever, very clever. I got that reference....

Posted by: Uriah Heep at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (2+JzN)

126 oh the media today are not scribes
in fact they often lead their tribes
sometimes truth is spilled after a member imbibes.
expecting from them lies with experiene jibes
so a dose of cynism life knowlege prescribes

yeah last thread. I'm slow.
~

Posted by: PaleRider is no Muldoon at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (eASYU)

127
Watching the Super Bowl replay so I can enjoy Cris Collinsworth's tears over his boyfriend Tom Brady losing.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (gmtDC)

128 California city to experiment with 'universal basic income'...

Residents to get $500 month, no questions asked...


Gee, I wonder how well that will work?

Posted by: drudge at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (AI/Vm)

129 120 Stephanie Zimbalist > Remington Steele > Christopher Steele
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (y3aQB)

Stephanie Zimbalist in that one episode in the winery>Stephanie Zimbalist>Remington Steele>Christopher Steele

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (2iZKp)

130 Fallon was decent to Trump when he was a candidate.
After Trump was elected Fallon couldn't do a monologue without intentionally insulting me. He doesn't exist to me.

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (U8pol)

131 If Steele is a fall guy for punk ass bitch Sidney, why hasn't he turned state's evidence against that little shit eating weasel to the IG?

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (N5dam)

132 well, start enforcing the law and yanking pensions, or at least forcing them out before they get their full pension, to incentivize people.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:01 PM (MTjB1)

133 Good times. TuCa showing a clip from a year ago with Schiff, where Schiff accused him of being a mouthpiece for the Kremlin.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 05, 2018 08:01 PM (ptqGC)

134 Maybe Steele told the FBI exactly what he said in court in the UK? That means who was lying? The 'FBI' and maybe SSA Strzok? Hmmmm, could be

Posted by: Jake Bell at February 05, 2018 08:01 PM (aMLJi)

135 Da.
Posted by: Edward Snowden at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (4dvb/)

Yep. Safe in Nebraska.

I'm out. Barbara Eden on Andy Griffith.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 08:01 PM (48QDY)

136 So ask your self the question: Why on earth would Putin want to "hack our election" so that Trump would win. The same Trump who promised - and is delivering - US energy independence and Making America Great Again - thus hurting Russia economically where it hurts the most.
--------------------
have they even figured out a narrative of what "haxxed our election" means yet?

What is annoying is mueller isn't investigating muh hacking but is doing God knows what.

literally...what is he investigating? Who gave him such broad powers? Why is it still going on a year later?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:01 PM (V3U1L)

137 My carefully-crafted White Knight image has been shot to shit. I shoulda just played mobsters.

Posted by: Ephram Zimbalist, Jr. at February 05, 2018 08:02 PM (398bZ)

138 "Fugazi" isn't very old at all. It simply means: "as f'ed-up, AND as covered-up as Benghazi".




Posted by: irright at February 05, 2018 07:39 PM (RVcmP)

I read the sidebar link, too. In geochemistry, one runs across a similar term, "fugacity", which basically means the activity level of an ion species in a melt or solution. Sort of a hand-waving term, if you get my drift. Like whether you get calcite or dolomite precipitating from a carbonate solution might depend upon the "fugacity" of manganese in the solution, even though manganese doesn't enter into the makeup of either mineral.
Jay Guevara might be able to shed more light on this. Or Political Hat, or Hadrian.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 05, 2018 08:02 PM (Dbv1R)

139 What's the difference between Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel? Are they the same person?

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:02 PM (nBr1j)

140 I've always associated the word fugazi with Peter Gabriel but I don't know why.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 05, 2018 07:54 PM (yL25O)

The Fugazi lies down on Broadway.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 05, 2018 08:02 PM (EoRCO)

141 Posted by: LGoPs at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (UThOJ)

Good stuff.

Filed under: Whatever the Dems are accusing you of, they're doing it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 05, 2018 08:02 PM (4ErVI)

142 It's over 100 comments, so I can go OT again.

Desert Pepper Black Bean Dip is excellent. The only reason I won't eat the who1e jar in one sitting is because I'll run out of potato chips first. That's probably a good thing.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 08:02 PM (sdi6R)

143 Cutouts are used in bribery cases, fraud, and fencing stolen property also. Some of the cutouts in this run of crimes are wives.

Posted by: Lester at February 05, 2018 08:02 PM (LfJIn)

144 yeah, fallon was a nominal republican but his awful hollywood friends gave him so much shit after being nice to trump, he's liked a whipped dog

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (V3U1L)

145
A 5th grader could figure this out.



Posted by: LGoPs at February 05, 2018 07:59 PM (UThOJ)

No shit. 5th graders are behind the mass production of CP pedo rings globally..... which doesn't exist unless you report it.

*seizes and falls into a Kuru Coma*

Posted by: Hillary 2020 at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (g4lFK)

146 So ask your self the question: Why on earth would Putin want to "hack our election" so that Trump would win.

You ask too many questions. ...Comrade.

Posted by: The MFM at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (AI/Vm)

147 Watching the Super Bowl replay so I can enjoy Cris Collinsworth's tears over his boyfriend Tom Brady losing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (gmtDC)

lol
A lot of that in last night's threads. Made me laugh a lot.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (ohNf0)

148 Have we actually discussed this little event from Friday yet?

Getting to the point that I can't keep track of who is revealing what.

https://twitter.com/DaveNYviii

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (EyPfd)

149 >>So the "evidence" for Page being dirty was merely an unverified
assertion in the infamous "dossier" that he met with dubious Russkis
while in Moscow, right? Where Page worked in a Merril Lynch office.
And where contact with dubious Russkis is no more avoidable than
breathing the air

No. There was no evidence that Carter Page was a Russian spy. In fact, it appears Carter Page worked for the CIA in 2013 as an undercover agent and was on their payroll as long as the spring of 2016.

He was an FBI employee. They knew that all along.


Please read the link Tami put up. I will even repost it.

https://tinyurl.com/y9ju5wtr

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (/tuJf)

150 Stephanie Zimbalist in that one episode in the winery>Stephanie Zimbalist>Remington Steele>Christopher Steele
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (2iZKp)

Where are you Efrem?

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (48QDY)

151 >>>What's the difference between Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel? Are they the same person?

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:02 PM (nBr1j)<<<


One of them *used to be* funny when partnered with Adam Corolla (mmmm... Juggies).

The other has never been funny.

Posted by: an indifferent Russian Bot at February 05, 2018 08:04 PM (gBv3T)

152 Is it true Michael Flynn is suing to have his charges dropped?

I know Mueller recently delayed some proceedings and the judge overseeing this case was recused without any additional info.

And, IIRC the judge was (is) wrapped up in the FISA crap too.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at February 05, 2018 08:05 PM (iiixZ)

153 you know, the funny thing is, the russia hacked our elections angle was the wrong way to go since there is so much dirt with hillary and obama with the russians; uranium one, the I will have more time after the elections comment.

should have gone with the chinese hacked the election.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:05 PM (MTjB1)

154 48
*waiting for zombie to provide the definitive history of mayonnaise*

Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM (EzdLW)


Isn't it an American Indian creation? Went into some sort of crab dish...

Posted by: NC Ref at February 05, 2018 08:05 PM (pAx+1)

155 Hillary/Sid... Barack/Val

Posted by: davidt at February 05, 2018 08:05 PM (kyG8i)

156 This present world reminds me of This Present Darkness by Frank Peretti. Pissed off demons everywhere.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:05 PM (nBr1j)

157 I know Obama believes the adage "if you don't control the narrative, the narrative controls you."

So as soon as he dropped the Russia collusion narrative, that's what I thought was happening.

He did control the narrative and the press during his reign.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM (ohNf0)

158 Isn't it an American Indian creation? Went into some sort of crab dish...
Posted by: NC Ref at February 05, 2018 08:05 PM (pAx+1)

Professor/Senator Warren. Is that you?

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM (48QDY)

159 :::reminded to go to grocery store:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Resting Comfortably at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM (vRV3Q)

160 155 Hillary/Sid... Barack/Val
Posted by: davidt at February 05, 2018 08:05 PM (kyG8i)

Sid seems more like a minion/goon. Valjar seems more like a puppeteer.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM (2iZKp)

161 Watching the Super Bowl replay so I can enjoy Cris Collinsworth's tears

Does that mean Al Michaels, too?

I don't know how the NFL could possibly get me back.

Posted by: t-bird at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM (7Cr6v)

162 Isn't it an American Indian creation? Went into some sort of crab dish...
Posted by: NC Ref at February




yep. right after they invented mayonnaise they were going to get down to inventing the wheel.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM (MTjB1)

163 Was there an Indeed.com ad yesterday at the BIG GAME? I just saw it one now, it's total SJW, COEXIST bullshit where if you don't hire a minority/muzzie you're an awful racist.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM (vyHiq)

164 Criminal indictment for Steele?

I expect him to be transferred to another department! At the very least, retired with full pension!

Posted by: blasterBOT at February 05, 2018 08:07 PM (jHrzU)

165 Richard Goodstein's teeth

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 05, 2018 08:07 PM (IqV8l)

166 status=likely. In the race between indictment of Clinton or Trump, it seems that Clinton just took the lead.

Or to put it another way,what kind of fucking hubris is it for people to decide on a smear campaign of a sitting president? It's almost like someone trained them for 8 long years, that lying and falsifications would have no consequence to them...until suddenly they do.

I'm also reminded of Trump being very gracious to both Clinton and Obama early on - I wonder if that was signal - don't fuck with me further or face the consequences? Then further fucks were apparently given, and the gloves came off?

Obama has sure been quiet lately. Definitely not his style.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at February 05, 2018 08:07 PM (fftfA)

167 127
Watching the Super Bowl replay so I can enjoy Cris Collinsworth's tears over his boyfriend Tom Brady losing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (gmtDC)


The Philly morning talk radio host, Chris Stigall, played the audio from the last play of the game over and over. There was a clearly audible groan when the pass was incomplete.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 08:07 PM (sdi6R)

168 If Steele is a fall guy for punk ass bitch Sidney, why hasn't he turned state's evidence against that little shit eating weasel to the IG?

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston a


Heh...

Posted by: Fort Marcy Park at February 05, 2018 08:07 PM (U8pol)

169 1) Obama is caught on open mike in 2012 telling Putin (actually President Dmitry Medvedev) that "he'll be more flexible after the election"...

About that "after the election" part: around that time, SCOAMF's poll numbers were dropping and there was some doubt about him getting reelected.

That sounded to me like he knew the fix was in before the election, thanks in large part to the political weaponization of the IRS under Lois Lerner.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at February 05, 2018 08:08 PM (tRaq7)

170 so, steele is picking up his final payoff in fort marcy park?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:08 PM (MTjB1)

171 The link I posted above theory is basically the lie kept getting bigger to cover up the lie, Hillary blaming it on Russians just increased the need to make it more real.

Posted by: Skip Go Birds! at February 05, 2018 08:08 PM (aC6Sd)

172 Oh. I didn't know that Fugazi was a sidebar piece and everything I said had already been said.

*has sadz*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 05, 2018 08:08 PM (fuK7c)

173 Jimmy Fallon tried to be old school late night and had Trump on. His ratings plunged and he was pummeled by the left. I have respect for him trying at least. But man, it is a tsunami with Hollywood. That he changed direction is sad, but understandable.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 08:09 PM (ohNf0)

174 JackStraw makes a good point about whistle-blowers - they aren't always public, or initially public.


On that topic, it *appears* there were likely at least one set of agents with the reaction so many here (rightly and understandably) are looking for.


Recall that Comey's last-minute letter to Congress about the very brief re-opening of the Clinton Espionage Act investigation was prompted by Weiner's laptop. Specifically, the discovery of Huma's huge and surely illegal store of official documents. McCabe had reportedly not told Comey about it - for weeks - in itself astounding.


In any case, I think some credible info has emerged that Comey moved to do the pro forma and very suspect (done by Peter Strzok!) review of the newly found material because a "revolt" was brewing among NY FBI field office people, and/or NYPD, if nothing were done - and Comey feared the appearance of sitting on explosive info.


Lots of "reported" elements there. But the thing is, it's very credible, and matches up with known circumstances and likely Comey motives and practices.


Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2018 08:09 PM (QDnY+)

175 He did control the narrative and the press during his reign.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM (ohNf0)

For the record. The narrative was his to control. Hard to narrate when your mouth is full of balls and dick.

Posted by: MSM at February 05, 2018 08:09 PM (48QDY)

176 Or to put it another way,what kind of fucking hubris is it for people to decide on a smear campaign of a sitting president?

It's "Who runs Bartertown?!?!"


But they are mistaking Trump for Aunty Calamity, turns out he's Mad Max.

Posted by: blasterBOT at February 05, 2018 08:09 PM (jHrzU)

177 ICYMI Carter Page was an employee (undercover) of the FBI from 2013 until March of 2016.

Then later in the year he was claimed to be an foreign agent on the 1st FISA warrant that let them (the FBI) monitor Trump and everyone he came into contact with.

How's that for chutzpah?

Posted by: jakee308 at February 05, 2018 08:09 PM (NRHV4)

178 -
--

What's the difference between Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel? Are they the same person?


Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:02 PM

------------------------------------------

Kimmel got infected by the Sarah-Silverman-galloping-crotch-rot. Whatever else his faults, that warrants a certain amount of pity.



Posted by: irright at February 05, 2018 08:09 PM (RVcmP)

179 hat if Steele's involvement was mostly limited to telephoning
wannabe-007 Sidney Blumenthal's dodgy contacts and talking with them for
a bit?


What if Steele is really just a cut-out?



What if Christopher Steele isn't really his name? What if it's.....Jason Bourne?

Posted by: pep at February 05, 2018 08:09 PM (LAe3v)

180 Fugazi came out of Minor Threat.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Resting Comfortably at February 05, 2018 08:10 PM (vRV3Q)

181 That loud popping noise you heard today was the sound of Andy McCarthy pulling his head out of his butt.

Posted by: Simplemind at February 05, 2018 08:10 PM (ZuGkg)

182 Haven't watched Fallon (or any of the others) in 5+ years. Meh no great loss.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 08:10 PM (vyHiq)

183
If Steele is a fall guy for punk ass bitch Sidney, why hasn't he turned
state's evidence against that little shit eating weasel to the IG?

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (N5dam)

He probably wants to go on wasting oxygen.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 05, 2018 08:10 PM (Dbv1R)

184 interesting list - a few modern whistleblowers

2011 - Peter Van Buren, a veteran Foreign Service Officer at the State Department authored the book We Meant Well, which exposed massive fraud while serving as the leader of two Provincial Reconstruction Teams in Iraq from 2009-10. It detailed how the U.S. wasted more than $44 billion in reconstruction efforts. In September 2012, he was forced to retire.

2011 - Christian Sanchez is a U.S. Border Patrol agent who was harassed after refusing overtime pay when there was no extra work to be performed at the Port Angeles, Washington office and briefing Congress about the waste of taxpayer dollars.

2012 - Larry Alt and Pete Forcelli, agents at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), helped expose issues surrounding the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, the program that resulted in federally-monitored guns ending up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

2012 - John Parsons was the Inspector General for the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria ("The Global Fund") from 2008 to 2012. Under his leadership, the Office of the Inspector General revealed that up to two-thirds of certain Global Fund grants may have been lost to corruption through forged documents, improper bookkeeping, the diversion of donated prescription drugs to the black market, and other irregularities. The Global Fund's Board terminated Parsons in November 2012.

2012- Phyllis McKelvey is a retired USDA Food Safety Inspection Service (FSIS) chicken inspector. Before leaving the USDA in 2010, McKelvy witnessed firsthand the damage the agency's new poultry inspection model creates, including turning inspection duties over to company employees and increasing line speeds to the point where inspectors have only 1/3 of a second to view a carcass. Her concerns led her to start a petition asking the USDA to halt its plans, which gained more than 180,000 signatures.


2013 -Jim Schrier, a veteran USDA meat inspector, reported clear humane handling violations involving market hogs at a Tyson Foods slaughter facility. After raising concerns to his supervisor, he was sent to work at a facility 120 miles away. His wife started a Change.org petition that has gathered more than 180,000 signatures asking the USDA to move her husband back to his original post near their home.

2013 - USDA poultry inspector Sherry Medina has collected more than 70,000 signatures in a Change.org petition asking Tyson Foods to stop its excessive use of hazardous chemicals in poultry processing. Medina exposed the serious health issues that she and other inspectors have experienced while working at a Tyson plant in Albertville, Alabama.

2013 - Edward Snowden is a former Booz Allen Hamilton federal contractor employee who disclosed information regarding the NSA's blanket surveillance of U.S. citizens through a secretive data-mining program that collects the phone records, e-mail exchanges, and Internet histories of hundreds of millions of people around the globe.

Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February 05, 2018 08:10 PM (4dvb/)

185 *waiting for zombie to provide the definitive history of mayonnaise*

Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 07:46 PM

Isn't it an American Indian creation? Went into some sort of crab dish...
Posted by: NC Ref at February 05, 2018 08:05 PM

===============================

Looks like a French word to me. But could still be Native American, because colonial French were in North America. But but did the Indians have chickens - I thought mayonnaise was made from eggs?

Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 08:11 PM (EzdLW)

186
I'm out. Barbara Eden on Andy Griffith.
Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 08:01 PM


I'd stop biting my nails

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 05, 2018 08:11 PM (IqV8l)

187 A least Nellie Ohr did it for money.

It's hard to catch the true believers, but the whores and chiselers are easy to track down.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at February 05, 2018 08:11 PM (56GKt)

188 I don't know how the NFL could possibly get me back.
Posted by: t-bird at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM (7Cr6v)


For me it would have to start with Godell getting fired.

But what good would it do if they replaced him with Godell 2.0?

Posted by: eleven at February 05, 2018 08:11 PM (+lOpA)

189 I'm also reminded of Trump being very gracious to both Clinton and Obama early on - I wonder if that was signal - don't fuck with me further or face the consequences? Then further fucks were apparently given, and the gloves came off?

Obama has sure been quiet lately. Definitely not his style.
Posted by: Dean Wormer at February 05, 2018 08:07 PM (fftfA)

Yes. Trump was pretty direct about letting it go.

Stupid fcks had to press on. Actually ramp it up.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 05, 2018 08:11 PM (Eu5eZ)

190
That gave me goosebumps.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 07:57 PM (ohNf0)




Why, thank you, ma'am! (reference post #107)




Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

p.s. you've got a cool hash! "Oh, No effin O!" LOL

Posted by: Jim at February 05, 2018 08:11 PM (QzJWU)

191 164. Come now BlasterBot. Steele works(ed) for the UK. Besides Hillary campaign already paid him 10 million. If he had any MI6 chops at all he surely has that safely in some Cayman bank, after routing through several shell companies with bank transfers to the final hidey hole.

Posted by: PaleRider is no Muldoon at February 05, 2018 08:12 PM (eASYU)

192
I don't know how the NFL could possibly get me back.

Posted by: t-bird at February 05, 2018 08:06 PM


I'll take autos-da-fe at midfield for $100, Alex.

Posted by: pep at February 05, 2018 08:13 PM (LAe3v)

193 That he changed direction is sad, but understandable.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel
*********************


He was a funny guy and smart and very talented.
His show would have fared as well or better by staying the course but being a man of low character he went with the crowd and took the low road.

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 08:13 PM (U8pol)

194 181 That loud popping noise you heard today was the sound of Andy McCarthy pulling his head out of his butt.
Posted by: Simplemind at February 05, 2018 08:10 PM (ZuGkg)

___

Ahh yes McCarthy, the guy who assured us all both Comey and Muller were "stand up guys".

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 08:14 PM (vyHiq)

195 To go further - Trump is Putin's pawn.

really, please explain how that works.

Trump energy independence.
Trump selling weaponry to Ukraine.
Trump strong defense.
Trump energy independence.
Trump missile defense.

I guess I'm just missing the part where Trump pays off for Putin. What actions, specifically, has Trump taken that remotely favor Russia? Seems to me he is for everything Putin does not like.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at February 05, 2018 08:14 PM (fftfA)

196 148 Have we actually discussed this little event from Friday yet?

Getting to the point that I can't keep track of who is revealing what.

https://twitter.com/DaveNYviii

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (EyPfd)

I think that's the guy that does research for CTH/Sundance.

Posted by: Tami at February 05, 2018 08:15 PM (Enq6K)

197 Dean Wormer, nothing is ever going to touch Obama. He will be protected at all costs. The final line of defense will be; he was betrayed by over zealous underling's.

Posted by: CM9000 at February 05, 2018 08:15 PM (6UYA5)

198 El Paso county deputy shot and killed, two other officers wounded, in a gunfight set off by a call for cops in a violent domestic fight.

This is third Colorado cop killed in this sort of shit since January 1.

Awaiting presser by El Paso county officials. Two suspects being held.

If they are hispaniolics, you can bet their citizenship and immigration status won't be revealed.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 05, 2018 08:15 PM (5OEn4)

199 They made Prevagen™ with an ingredient found in jellyfish. The rest of the jellyfish went into making James Comey.

Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 08:15 PM (EzdLW)

200 Trump has really damaged the the credibility of the FBI by exposing the fact that the FBI is willing to label paid informants criminals for doing what the FBI was paying them to do. How can the FBI expect to hire informants now that Trump has gone and exposed this? IMPEACH!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 08:15 PM (wdmm9)

201 Roger Goodell in stocks on the sidelines.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:16 PM (nBr1j)

202 thought mayonnaise was made from eggs?

Emulsions!

Posted by: dartist at February 05, 2018 08:16 PM (nisXv)

203 195
Trump energy independence.
Trump selling weaponry to Ukraine.
Trump strong defense.
Trump energy independence.
Trump missile defense.

It's the perfect cover

Posted by: jsg at February 05, 2018 08:16 PM (khbK2)

204 To recap....

#7 Market (Philly) vs #10 Market (Boston), close game, compelling story lines, hatred of Patriots...and still viewership was down almost 10% from last year.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 08:16 PM (vyHiq)

205 yeah, perfect cover...the left is so incoherent. where's teh quid pro quo? What are they even supposed to have done?

oh well, maybe "he fights" will include that second special prosecutor without extreme liberal loons on it?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:18 PM (V3U1L)

206 199 They made Prevagen with an ingredient found in jellyfish. The rest of the jellyfish went into making James Comey.
Posted by: Hands at February 05, 2018 08:15 PM (EzdLW)


You can't replace an intracellular protein by eating that protein. Prevagen is hogwash, or, actually, jellyfishwash.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 08:19 PM (wdmm9)

207 I can't quite wrap my brain around Goodell not being fired this year. Yes, the NFL has down well, but the last two years have been disastrous. If he was a coach he would be looking for a job.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:19 PM (nBr1j)

208 Jeff sessions moves so slow I bet he has moss on his north side

Posted by: Robeartoe at February 05, 2018 08:19 PM (/ZCA9)

209 I'm also reminded of Trump being very gracious to both Clinton and Obama early on
***************************


That reminds me. I haven't seen any mouthings from the BUSH DYNASTY lately. Have they decided to...

Oh wait! George P. is up for re-election in Texas - mussent confuse those shit-kickers about little Ps creds.

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 08:19 PM (U8pol)

210 Damn Las::

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at February 05, 2018 08:19 PM (mMeIQ)

211
Trump Week

- Awesome SOTU
- Joe Kenndy drowns in Own Drool in dim response
- Republican 200 members with family Train Crash into stalled garbage truck outside spookyville VS
- Markets begin to weakens
- Crypto Tulips crash
- Memo Released
- Markets begin fall even more
- Trump gets ominous threats
- More Commie ties exposed
- Trump Tells Yellen To Take A Hikes
- Yellen Sez Markets valuation is "High" in last interview
- Dow crashes -1600 in one day to rebound to -1175
- Shaved off close to 1800 since highs last week
- Cops say you will go to jail of accidental receiving CO and reporting it.
- Trump sez we caught them red handed. We are the best giant slueths. Calls Commie Deep State Traitors
- Pence still ignored by Mueller

living in a conspiracy computer simulation matrix is real.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:20 PM (g4lFK)

212 Damn autocorrect

Les

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at February 05, 2018 08:20 PM (mMeIQ)

213 have they even kept a running list of what the left considers treason? I think they'll be surprised they've done it all.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:20 PM (V3U1L)

214 Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 05, 2018 08:15 PM (5OEn4). my prayers for the officers families and friends.

type/delete. I'm going to be enraged again as the MFM eulogizes our brave boys in blue. -- AFTER spending most of the last few years praising the BLM liars and stirring up sh!t. SMFH for those media shills I cannot even.

Posted by: PaleRider is no Muldoon at February 05, 2018 08:21 PM (eASYU)

215 You can't replace an intracellular protein by eating that protein. Prevagen is hogwash, or, actually, jellyfishwash.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy


You mean all those nasty oysters for nothing, damn.

Posted by: Barney at February 05, 2018 08:21 PM (U8pol)

216
Please read the link Tami put up. I will even repost it.

https://tinyurl.com/y9ju5wtr

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (/tuJf)

This, if true, brings the whole thing to another level.

Posted by: Miklos Molnar, surprised but unsurprised at February 05, 2018 08:21 PM (zCyNd)

217 JackStraw, I read the CTH stuff before anyone here started talking about it.


My point was - what, exactly, is the evidence that implicated Page as a Russian agent, apart from the claims in the dossier that he met with Sechin, et al (I believe Page has denied this, and it's "meh" fact even if true)?


Gowdy said FISA affidavit had three elements - dossier, Yahoo story based on same info, and "other info". Just curious what that "other" might be.


Since the first two elements are obviously b.s. claims from an unvetted and sort of ridiculous document, the "other" must be compelling - or not.


Just trying to imagine that unverified crap like the dossier would be sufficient to approve Title I surveillance on and American. Either "other" info was specific and good, or the FISC was deceived with rather flagrant DOJ misbehavior.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2018 08:21 PM (QDnY+)

218 Has anybody ever seen Christopher Steele and Chelsea Manning in the same room at the same time?

Posted by: ShainS at February 05, 2018 08:21 PM (BiLU+)

219 Goodell being attacked by BLM would be appropriate.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:22 PM (nBr1j)

220 Remington Steele would have been a better front man.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 05, 2018 08:22 PM (cu8/f)

221 Revealed: The Criminal Referral for Christopher Steele

We'll know it's serious when somebody gets demoted.

Posted by: t-bird at February 05, 2018 08:22 PM (58eZn)

222 That loud popping noise you heard today was the sound of Andy McCarthy pulling his head out of his butt.
Posted by: Simplemind at February 05, 2018 08:10 PM (ZuGkg)
--
That was James Comey's Dick popping out of his asshole

Posted by: MISHBOT at February 05, 2018 08:22 PM (y3aQB)

223 have they even kept a running list of what the left considers treason? I think they'll be surprised they've done it all.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February



dude, these are the people that believe the Constitution is living breathing document. Treason is whatever they say it is when they say so.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:22 PM (MTjB1)

224 189
I'm also reminded of Trump being very gracious to both Clinton and Obama
early on - I wonder if that was signal - don't fuck with me further or
face the consequences? Then further fucks were apparently given, and the
gloves came off?



Obama has sure been quiet lately. Definitely not his style.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at February 05, 2018 08:07 PM (fftfA)



Yes. Trump was pretty direct about letting it go.



Stupid fcks had to press on. Actually ramp it up.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 05, 2018 08:11 PM (Eu5eZ)

Looks like one of Trump's typically baited traps.
He wanted to smash them, but it wasn't good PR or politics.Being gracious was the bait, he figured they would see it as weakness and they would then attack.
They obliged.


Posted by: davidt at February 05, 2018 08:22 PM (kyG8i)

225 "An Inconvenient Truth" is on TCM. They've officially fucked the shark.

Posted by: josephistan at February 05, 2018 08:24 PM (ANIFC)

226 John Podesta blew his own whistle

Carlos Danger sent a dick pic with his sleeping son next to it hoping a 15 year old girl would blow.... Confirmed whistle blew.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:24 PM (g4lFK)

227
Alt-history. Trump wins. The Democrats grumble about Hillary's ineptitude as a candidate but basically act like the Republicans in 2008 and 2012. Does any of this come out?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 05, 2018 08:24 PM (qKXZy)

228 Uh-huh. Remember when we were told about all those principled FBI agents who were going to resign if they whitewashed the Clinton email investigation? Career beurocrats gonna beurocrat.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 05, 2018 07:52 PM (63oy9)

===============

THIS!!! Tremendous amount of principled courage on display then ... NOT!

Posted by: ShainS at February 05, 2018 08:25 PM (BiLU+)

229 well everyone better learn how to jump sharks because once the streets are flooded there will be sharks everywhere.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:25 PM (MTjB1)

230 Was just over at Hot Air reading an article. As I was reading I started to think: "the writer is a bit never Trumpish" sure enough I looked at the byline and it was AllahPundit.

"And ye shall know them by their works".

For a minute I thought it was Little Billy Kristol but it wasn't smarmy enough.

Posted by: jakee308 at February 05, 2018 08:25 PM (NRHV4)

231 Trumpnado the Movie.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:25 PM (nBr1j)

232 THIS!!! Tremendous amount of principled courage on display then ... NOT!
Posted by: ShainS at February




not more courage on display now. why aren't these people testifying before congress?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:26 PM (MTjB1)

233 well everyone better learn how to jump sharks because once the streets are flooded there will be sharks everywhere.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- -
****************************

You must be from Nawlins.

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 08:26 PM (U8pol)

234 Golden Scalp Weasels descending in a storm from the skies.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:27 PM (nBr1j)

235 227
Alt-history. Trump wins. The Democrats grumble about Hillary's ineptitude as a candidate but basically act like the Republicans in 2008 and 2012. Does any of this come out?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 05, 2018 08:24 PM (qKXZy)

==============

Good question ... but the Clintons just can't help blaming any misfortunes on some Vast White-Ring or Russian Conspiracy, instead of themselves since they're sure they've rigged the game in their favor every time.

Posted by: ShainS at February 05, 2018 08:27 PM (BiLU+)

236 You must be from Nawlins.
Posted by: gNewt

So, confirmed cannibal?

Posted by: Shep Smith at February 05, 2018 08:27 PM (HScFq)

237 You must be from Nawlins.
Posted by: gNewt at February



lol. nope. in nawlins you just keep some babies in your back pack to distract the sharks while you cross the street. or for a snack later.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:27 PM (MTjB1)

238 Trumpnado the Movie.
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at February 05, 2018 08:25 PM (nBr1j)

Hah!

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 08:27 PM (ohNf0)

239 "This is finally all starting to come together and the corruption appears to have been even worse than I had thought and I thought it was pretty fucking bad."

I have been thinking about that. In most scandals, it's safe to assume that the most extreme suspicions at the beginning won't be borne out, that the truth will end up being somewhere in the middle.

But everything that keeps coming out tells me that what really happened was far worse than what we expected. What really happened was the actual, total capture of the government by a faction of hard core criminals, who then corrupted every facet of that government with almost minimal opposition.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 05, 2018 08:28 PM (V2Yro)

240
Magic Scalp Weaselnado

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 05, 2018 08:28 PM (eXA4G)

241 146 So ask your self the question: Why on earth would Putin want to "hack our election" so that Trump would win.


He just wanted to create confusion, you see. He didn't care who won. But the only ones who seem to be creating confusion is the leftists. Without their agitation, everyone would have accepted the election and moved on by now.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 08:28 PM (wdmm9)

242 Man, the coyotes are howling.

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 08:28 PM (U8pol)

243 BitCoin below 6700.

But the experts said 8k-7k was the floor. They showed graphs with trend lines and everything.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:28 PM (g4lFK)

244 So, confirmed cannibal?
Posted by: Shep Smith at February




you know that is funny, no one ever asked shep how many babies he ate when he was covering the aftermath of katrina in nawlins.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:29 PM (MTjB1)

245 >>My point was - what, exactly, is the evidence that implicated Page as a Russian agent, apart from the claims in the dossier that he met with Sechin, et al (I believe Page has denied this, and it's "meh" fact even if true)?

The FBI is claiming that they had Page under surveillance since 2013 because they thought he was a Russian spy, 3 years before there was a dossier. .

The only part of that which is true is that they have known him since 2013 and they knew him as an employee of theirs.

Not only is their no evidence, he was an asset the FBI put him into the Trump campaign so they could then turn around and take out a warrant against him to spy on the Trump campaign or more accurately cover for the fact that they were already spying on the Trump campaign.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:29 PM (/tuJf)

246 And yet another point about Carter Page - do you notice how he has NOT been charged with lying to the FBI? Simple reason, every time he was questioned, he told them the absolute truth about everything he had been doing and who he had been meeting with. He hid nothing.

Some criminal, right?

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 05, 2018 08:29 PM (V2Yro)

247 not more courage on display now. why aren't these people testifying before congress?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:26 PM (MTjB1)

===============

Exactly. Listening to that dope Hannity and his guests saying that their rank-and-file FBI homies are really upset about this. Then why haven't any come forward and gone on the record?

Can't risk that nice pension a la McCabe, the country be damned ...

Posted by: ShainS at February 05, 2018 08:29 PM (BiLU+)

248 McCarthy is technically expert, very smart, and his assessments of leading figures in the judicial business can be quickly dismissed with a laugh. He also is a very curious case of low-grade N-Trumpism. Mild symptoms. Usually limited to stupid, baseless snarky asides or assumptions, off the principal topic at hand.


Haven't read it, heard he eviscerated the dumb Nadler memo. He'd be excellent at that sort of thing. As he's much smarter and far more honest than the idiots he's debunking, in this case.


Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2018 08:30 PM (QDnY+)

249 -
--

Has anybody ever seen Christopher Steele and Chelsea Manning in the same room at the same time?



Posted by: ShainS at February 05, 2018 08:21 PM

-------------------------------------------------


We have. It was hotter than Marx on Mao action.



Posted by: Christopher Steele and Chelsea Manning at February 05, 2018 08:30 PM (RVcmP)

250 The thought that after the 2018 election Adam Schitt could be Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, is truly frightening.

VOTE
VOTE
VOTE

Posted by: redridinghood at February 05, 2018 08:30 PM (PvFoN)

251 you know that is funny, no one ever asked shep how many babies he ate when he was covering the aftermath of katrina in nawlins.
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- -

No babies, only men. Large, dark men.

Posted by: Shep Smith at February 05, 2018 08:31 PM (HScFq)

252 216
Please read the link Tami put up. I will even repost it.

https://tinyurl.com/y9ju5wtr

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (/tuJf)

This, if true, brings the whole thing to another level.
Posted by: Miklos Molnar, surprised but unsurprised at February 05, 2018 08:21 PM (zCyNd)

I'm assuming they all eat live babies until proven otherwise shit has gotten so bad.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:31 PM (g4lFK)

253 Why on earth would Putin want to "hack our election" so that Trump would win.
**********************


When a boy with a stick sees a hornet's ....

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 08:31 PM (U8pol)

254
This isn't the head of (Con)Fusion GPS, right?

When is his turn in the docket coming?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 05, 2018 08:31 PM (pNxlR)

255 putin helping Trump beat hillary would be like andropov helping Reagan beat dukakis.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:32 PM (MTjB1)

256 FISC was deceived with rather flagrant DOJ misbehavior.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2018 08:21 PM (QDnY+)

Or the FISC DGAF.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 08:32 PM (48QDY)

257 nest.



Time for a little more Ivanabitch.

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 08:32 PM (U8pol)

258 Uh-huh. Remember when we were told about all those principled FBI agents who were going to resign if they whitewashed the Clinton email investigation? Career beurocrats gonna beurocrat.

---

first you insalt all 17 USA intelligence agencies and now you insult the selfless monks of the FBI?

SHAME!!@#!@@!3

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:32 PM (V3U1L)

259 228 Uh-huh. Remember when we were told about all those principled FBI agents who were going to resign if they whitewashed the Clinton email investigation? Career beurocrats gonna beurocrat.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 05, 2018 07:52 PM (63oy9)

___

THERE

ARE

NO

GOOD

GUYS

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 08:32 PM (vyHiq)

260 I am pretty sure Fugazi must mean something in Hungarian.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 05, 2018 08:32 PM (H5rtT)

261 258 Uh-huh. Remember when we were told about all those principled FBI agents who were going to resign if they whitewashed the Clinton email investigation? Career beurocrats gonna beurocrat.

---

first you insalt all 17 USA intelligence agencies and now you insult the selfless monks of the FBI?

---------------------

also, all police are racist murder monsters and our intelligence community lied us into war in irack for bush to make oil moneys

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:33 PM (V3U1L)

262 Entrapment then conversion seems to be the single tool that the fbi has available to it.

Posted by: BluesFish at February 05, 2018 08:33 PM (3g9Il)

263 well, now is as good a time as any to switch everyone in the gov over to 401k plans. More economical for us, eliminates lots of their reticence to do their jobs.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:33 PM (MTjB1)

264 Obama has sure been quiet lately. Definitely not his style.

Geez, a guy cam't [redacted] some [redacted] with some close [redacted] friends? Enjoying my freedom!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at February 05, 2018 08:33 PM (RwYr/)

265 well, surely after a year, mueller can release a report to let us know where things stand?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:34 PM (V3U1L)

266 Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2018 08:30 PM (QDnY+)

___

He's a smart guy and knows his lawyering stuff. But he, like most of his NR peeps, live in a fanasty world, where Democrats are honest and follow the law.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 08:34 PM (vyHiq)

267 Looks like one of Trump's typically baited traps.
He wanted to smash them, but it wasn't good PR or politics.Being gracious was the bait, he figured they would see it as weakness and they would then attack.
They obliged.


Posted by: davidt at February 05, 2018 08:22 PM (kyG8i)

Could be. Trump's antics during the election made people think he was a buffoon. Of course it's all schtick, probably designed to trick people into thinking he's weak. There must be a pile of broken bodies back in NYC who thought the same thing in a real estate deal with Trump.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 05, 2018 08:34 PM (4ErVI)

268 Yeah a possible criminal indictment of one of the traitorous Democrats.

Wait what?It's only a British fall guy?

Goes back into patience mode.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 08:34 PM (2DOZq)

269 JackS I agree. The bit about "planting" him (or exploiting his association with the Trump campaign) to enable surveillance is unproven - but at the moment no other plausible explanation exists ..... AND multiple streams of revelation and investigation seem to be headed directly at substantiating this theory.


Don't see any way that the mid-term campaign kicks off WITHOUT multiple criminal investigations and/or special counsel operations directed at unraveling and prosecuting the - by far - greatest scandal in American history.


"Anyone not panicking about the mid-terms is not paying attention"



Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2018 08:34 PM (QDnY+)

270 trump's either really smart or really lucky. maybe both.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (V3U1L)

271 I am noticing a shift in the narrative from "Impeach because trump colluded with the Russians" to "Impeach because Trump obstructed our investigation into his Russian collusion that we have no clear evidence for, but which Mueller could have any day now."

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (wdmm9)

272 NBC news: "In one day the stock market gave up a year's worth of gains!"

Hello, today is Feb. 5

Posted by: navybrat at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (w7KSn)

273 yeah, trump's antics...like winning.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (V3U1L)

274 I'm assuming they all eat live babies until proven otherwise shit has gotten so bad.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:31 PM (g4lFK)

Exsanguination is the preferred, and not for the youngest.

Ref: "Hillary uses the Erzsebet Bathory method, and you can too!"

-Gwynneth Paltrow

Posted by: Miklos Molnar, Transylvanian holistic healer at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (zCyNd)

275 lol. obama has probably had lots of "oh shit!"moments since Trump got into office. Is "oh shit!" interchangeable with "oh snap!"?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (MTjB1)

276 Hadrian, no. None of it comes out but the Democrats don't have that kind of self-restraint. They had to manufacture a scandal that is now coming back to bite them in the ass.

Posted by: CM9000 at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (6UYA5)

277 209
Oh wait! George P. is up for re-election in Texas - mussent confuse those shit-kickers about little Ps creds.
Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 08:19 PM (U8pol)


Come on, Texans. Kick him to the curb. No more family dynasties.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (sdi6R)

278 I am pretty sure Fugazi must mean something in Hungarian.


Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 05, 2018 08:32 PM (H5rtT)



Actually, "Fugazi" is the definition for the Clintonian state of affairs in what's left of Benghazi.

*drops chalk, turns n' walks away from chalkboard*



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 05, 2018 08:36 PM (QzJWU)

279 270 trump's either really smart or really lucky. maybe both.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (V3U1L)

Luck = Being prepared

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 05, 2018 08:36 PM (4ErVI)

280 Is Pence in the MAGA ticket with Trump in 2020?

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:36 PM (g4lFK)

281 trump's either really smart or really lucky. maybe both.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (V3U1L)

Luck = Being prepared




harder you work, luckier you get.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:36 PM (MTjB1)

282 Northernlurker @8:19... It's all part of the NSFL's effort to keep up appearances. To SJWs, virtue signalling and "being correct" take priority over everything else; to fire Goodell would be to acknowledge (to themselves as much as anyone else) that they're on the wrong path, so not only do they keep him on, they give him everything in his ridiculous list of demands just to do so. Because he's doing such a great job, see?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbot at February 05, 2018 08:36 PM (wSC8T)

283 "Impeach because Trump obstructed our investigation into his Russian collusion that we have no clear evidence for, but which Mueller could have any day now."

---

not obstruction:

lying to congress
lying to FISA courts
destroying evidence
using law firms to hide campaign payments to third parties
using off-government communications to discuss government business
having insurance plans in case trump won


but thinking that Flynn got railroaded in an unfair manner: bayd

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:37 PM (V3U1L)

284 280 Is Pence in the MAGA ticket with Trump in 2020?
---
waiting to see if he delivers on his whole handmaiden's tale thing or not first.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:37 PM (V3U1L)

285 "widely-respected British spy"

He probably is widely respected in the Imperial City of our Police State, just as Robert Mueller is a "widely respected former FBI director." The Banana Empire just respects traits most of its oppressed subjects find repellent.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 08:37 PM (lc+vu)

286 Trump paid Putin to hack the election.

Posted by: Next Theory at February 05, 2018 08:37 PM (kyG8i)

287 widely respected spy...what? not the best cover

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:38 PM (V3U1L)

288 216
Please read the link Tami put up. I will even repost it.

https://tinyurl.com/y9ju5wtr

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (/tuJf)

I'll repeat.

Sundance. Immigrant Journalist.

Doing work that American journalists won't do.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 08:38 PM (48QDY)

289 We're on a mission from God.

Posted by: Jake trump and Elwood pence at February 05, 2018 08:38 PM (ZuGkg)

290 Why did Fusion need to pay off Ohr (via Nellie) in order to get the dossier a hearing in the FBI?

Wasn't John McCain going to present it anyway? Did they not think he possessed enough clout to get the dossier taken seriously? Especially since the upper levels of the FBI were infested with Hillary supporters that would have an interest in such a dossier.

Was it done for insurance? Stupid of Fusion to have the payouts on their records if they didn't have to.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 05, 2018 08:38 PM (/qEW2)

291 I think Blumenthal was behind the dossier

Posted by: Jane at February 05, 2018 08:38 PM (ota5e)

292 I remember a metal band from the 90s called Fugazi.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbot at February 05, 2018 08:38 PM (wSC8T)

293 270 trump's either really smart or really lucky. maybe both.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (V3U1L)

Trumps a time traveller. Too many coincidences. Dead serious about the latter. The former is an interesting theory to read.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:39 PM (g4lFK)

294 >>>I remember a metal band from the 90s called Fugazi

Not metal.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Resting Comfortably at February 05, 2018 08:39 PM (vRV3Q)

295 but thinking that Flynn got railroaded in an unfair manner: bayd
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:37 PM (V3U1L)

I'm still not convinced that was an unforced error.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 08:39 PM (48QDY)

296 243 BitCoin below 6700.

But the experts said 8k-7k was the floor. They showed graphs with trend lines and everything.
Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:28 PM (g4lFK)

At this rate, they are going to be worth a video card capable of producing them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 08:40 PM (2iZKp)

297
You can't replace an intracellular protein by eating that protein.

YOU DON'T DRINK IT, YOU SOAK YOUR FEET IN IT

Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner, The Two Thousand Year Old Man
You weren't born when this was on TV. TV used to be funny.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 05, 2018 08:40 PM (H5rtT)

298 I am pretty sure Fugazi must mean something in Hungarian.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 05, 2018 08:32 PM (H5rtT)

The closest I can come up with is "fu-gazis", which would roughly translate as "Crazy from the marijuana".

Posted by: Miklos Molnar, youe friendly neighborhood Hungarian slang community organizer at February 05, 2018 08:40 PM (zCyNd)

299 but thinking that Flynn got railroaded in an unfair manner: bayd
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 08:37 PM (V3U1L)

I'm still not convinced that was an unforced error.
Posted by: golfman at February




you mean Flynn being an intel player with knowledge of how things work and where things are buried thought it would be useful to be prosecuted to get insight into how things were proceeding within the investigation?

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:41 PM (MTjB1)

300 >>Why did Fusion need to pay off Ohr (via Nellie) in order to get the dossier a hearing in the FBI?

The FBI had the dossier in July. McCain didn't give them his copy until December.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:41 PM (/tuJf)

301 By the way, I'm thinking that's my new nickname for the NFL... the NSFL, or National Socialist Football League.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbot at February 05, 2018 08:42 PM (wSC8T)

302 >>A possibility occurs to me: What if Steele is just the Front Man hired to put a presentable face on the detestable, dishonest mercenaries Blumenthal and Shearer? What if most of the crap in the "Steele Dossier" in fact originated with this repellent pair, with "widely-respected British spy" Christopher Steele hired just to do a very low level of checking on the claims and then slap his own much-more-credible name on the shoddy "research"?

...Or, and I know this is a little tin foil hat for a respected blogger to repeat, but MAYBE -- just maybe-- Steele is the front man hired by the Clinton machine, in conjunction with their allies in the intelligence community, through a series of cut outs all around, to give the Deep State Operatives plausible deniability when/if it ever blows up on them that they were, in fact, spying on their political opponents.

...And maybe -- just maybe -- this goes deeper then Trump and has been going on for longer than Trump.

Because if we all think this originated with Clinton and Steele, straight shootin' career law men like Strzok (or however he spells his stupid name) and James Comey and Rod/Ron Rosenstein etc. are off the hook -- AT WORST they are only guilty of being gullible and falling for Clinton's political trick. Really, no one gets in (much) trouble in this scenario, and theres very little political blowback for anyone.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 05, 2018 08:42 PM (F5+ro)

303 NBC news: "In one day the stock market gave up a year's worth of gains!"

Those are Trump years, NBC. Put it this way, one Trump day wiped out the first hundred years of the Dow Jones!

Posted by: t-bird at February 05, 2018 08:42 PM (7Cr6v)

304 Why did Fusion need to pay off Ohr (via Nellie) in order to get the dossier a hearing in the FBI?

The FBI had the dossier in July. McCain didn't give them his copy until December.
Posted by: JackStraw at February



ohr wanted to bet paid off for being the guy to present the info and take the risk associated.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:42 PM (MTjB1)

305 Golfman, that's a truly scary concept.


I pointed out that, based on what we know, the DOJ/FBI affidavit process before the FISC must have involved deception, and/or stunning incompetence. Golfman opined - OR the FISC doesn't care (is happy to go along with a farcical application).


This idea is absolutely in play. And no, the 99% approval rate does not, for me, give me all the answers - but that's a separate discussion. I'm talking straight-up, brazen lawlessness, of the sort we have seen the last year from courts usurping executive power. As bad as it was for a few decades now, I'd argue the last year has seen a whole 'nother level, and style, of lawlessness. Courts citing "motives", campaign statements, making absurd slanderous accusations about bigotry, etc. - pretty much in lieu of applying, you know, laws and the constitution.


In the past, "reforms" happened because both parties played along (leaving aside how well those things all turned out, over time). But now? We have a Dem Party openly, aggressively uninterested in spectacular unprecedented govt. lawlessness - in f***ing presidential election!


Just thinking about how it goes this time.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2018 08:42 PM (QDnY+)

306 Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 08:35 PM (sdi6R)

The Bush's have been good to Texas. I will likely not vote for George P because he hasn't done anything special as Land Commissioner and not because I'm worried about any dynasty. George P was also a vocal supporter of Trump by the way.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 08:42 PM (2DOZq)

307 you mean Flynn being an intel player with knowledge of how things work and where things are buried thought it would be useful to be prosecuted to get insight into how things were proceeding within the investigation?
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:41 PM (MTjB1)

Mind Blown.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:43 PM (g4lFK)

308 Dicaprio, in the movie The Departed, used the term fugazi to describe a fake diamond ring, and it was then discussed as related to some local car seller iirc.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 05, 2018 08:44 PM (0ogQG)

309 that would explain why he went into hiding, thought Hill would cap him like others.

Posted by: river at February 05, 2018 08:44 PM (jWt8z)

310 you mean Flynn being an intel player with knowledge of how things work and where things are buried thought it would be useful to be prosecuted to get insight into how things were proceeding within the investigation?
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:41 PM (MTjB1)

Complete with a get out of jail free card.

Career spook. Investigated for talking to Russians. Then busted for misspeaking.

Happens everyday.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 08:44 PM (48QDY)

311
Wait what?It's only a British fall guy?

Does he have a theme song?

https://youtu.be/dj9ev40C30M

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 05, 2018 08:44 PM (IqV8l)

312 Ace tired, but keeps a goin', 3:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vruy2GRUsV8

Posted by: Former Spartan Fan at February 05, 2018 08:44 PM (Pb5Ed)

313 308. We always called a fake precious stone 'jack.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 05, 2018 08:46 PM (fA1SL)

314 The Bush's have been good to Texas. I will likely not vote for George P because he hasn't done anything special as Land Commissioner and not because I'm worried about any dynasty. George P was also a vocal supporter of Trump by the way.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February




fuckem all. Voted for GHWB even when he went back on taxes. Voted for his idiot son twice. When the chips were down and we were are risk of getting hillary and giving her a chance to hide her crimes, obama's crimes, and drive the country further down the road to ruin, he tossed his hat in the ring for her. fuckem all. we should scrub their names and portraits from the halls of history.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:46 PM (MTjB1)

315 So David Duke, a life long Democrat White Supremacist and member of the KKK, is running as a Republican in a district where no Republican even ran last time in Illinois district 3 I believe.

Sounds legit right? Totally not a op to discourage MAGA in 2018. /sarc

I forgot this about Trump week btw.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:46 PM (g4lFK)

316 George P was also a vocal supporter of Trump by the way.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 08:42 PM (2DOZq)

Frankly surprised Barbara Bush didn't sneak up on young George P. in his sleep and take him out, ninja-style.

Where the Bush women are concerned, save the last bullet for yourself and die like an Englishman.

Posted by: troyriser at February 05, 2018 08:47 PM (raGQi)

317 Dicaprio, in the movie The Departed, used the term fugazi to describe a fake diamond ring, and it was then discussed as related to some local car seller iirc.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 05, 2018 08:44 PM (0ogQG)


I thought it was Johnny Depp in Donnie Brasco.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 08:47 PM (8gDQu)

318 you mean Flynn being an intel player with knowledge of how things work and where things are buried thought it would be useful to be prosecuted to get insight into how things were proceeding within the investigation?
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:41 PM (MTjB1)

Complete with a get out of jail free card.

Career spook. Investigated for talking to Russians. Then busted for misspeaking.

Happens everyday.
Posted by: golfman at February




works for me. makes more sense than Flynn suddenly took a stupid pill and fucked up.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:47 PM (MTjB1)

319 Oops, never mind, it was Depp in Donnie Brasco that used the term fugazi. My bad.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 05, 2018 08:47 PM (0ogQG)

320 But everything that keeps coming out tells me that what really happened was far worse than what we expected. What really happened was the actual, total capture of the government by a faction of hard core criminals, who then corrupted every facet of that government with almost minimal opposition.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 05, 2018 08:28 PM (V2Yro)

Sure, they'll spy on you and try to find that seedy event only because it's easy.

The truth is they'll also just fabricate some crime to destroy your life, finances, and credibility with and then put you in prison.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 05, 2018 08:48 PM (Eu5eZ)

321 308 Dicaprio, in the movie The Departed, used the term fugazi to describe a fake diamond ring, and it was then discussed as related to some local car seller iirc.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 05, 2018 08:44 PM (0ogQG)

____

Donnie Brasco / Johnny Depp not Leo.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 08:48 PM (vyHiq)

322 Pence will be on the ticket if Trump runs for re-election in 2020. There isn't any recent example of a VP being ditched. You go a long way back for that.

Posted by: CM9000 at February 05, 2018 08:48 PM (6UYA5)

323 @312 Look at that back-up band. Did you see the size of the instruments those men were playing! ?!?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 05, 2018 08:49 PM (H5rtT)

324 the rabid idiotic left accuses others of doing what they do.

I don't know why.

Posted by: booknlass at February 05, 2018 08:49 PM (GRzQi)

325 "Exactly. Listening to that dope Hannity and his guests saying that their rank-and-file FBI homies are really upset about this. Then why haven't any come forward and gone on the record?

Can't risk that nice pension a la McCabe, the country be damned ... Posted by: ShainS

right. I'm in a town where an Asst DA after 8 years, went on trial for murdering his wife (pillow on head, rigor set in, removed pillow in morning, hands would not go down, oops, then lies lies lies) ... looked guilty as hell.

So after second trial he goes free (one year served), but comments I heard (from lawyers) indicate to me lawyers in town KNEW (for 8 years) he was guilty as hell. (made national news a few times) They stayed mum.

Why did none come forward? They KNEW? They are in "the game", and all locals mostly know and hate them.

The global mafia is very evil, and is very deep.
Live free or die.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 08:50 PM (bT8Z4)

326 Pence will be on the ticket if Trump runs for re-election in 2020. There isn't any recent example of a VP being ditched. You go a long way back for that.
Posted by: CM9000 at February



get pence alone in a room with some hot you thing for five mins and his wife will make him retire.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:50 PM (MTjB1)

327 310 you mean Flynn being an intel player with knowledge of how things work and where things are buried thought it would be useful to be prosecuted to get insight into how things were proceeding within the investigation?
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:41 PM (MTjB1)

Complete with a get out of jail free card.

Career spook. Investigated for talking to Russians. Then busted for misspeaking.

Happens everyday.
Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 08:44 PM (48QDY)

Flynn and his son have been inner circle MAGA since the beginning. Flynn was spearheading pedogate for Trump in the Human Trafficking area. so was his son on twittter.

Nope! you go against the pedo commies and weird shit happens every single time.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:50 PM (g4lFK)

328 But everything that keeps coming out tells me that what really happened was far worse than what we expected. What really happened was the actual, total capture of the government by a faction of hard core criminals, who then corrupted every facet of that government with almost minimal opposition.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 05, 2018 08:28 PM (V2Yro)


We've known that since Barky's first illegitimate days occupooping the Oval Office. And it didn't take very long to see that the Vichy GOP wasn't going to put up any sort of a fight, at all. None of this is any surprise.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 08:50 PM (8gDQu)

329 306
George P was also a vocal supporter of Trump by the way.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 08:42 PM (2DOZq)


Sounds like opportunism to me, like he stuck his finger in the wind and saw which way it was blowing.

I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. Sorry, but I'm cynical that way.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 08:50 PM (sdi6R)

330 "Last night’s Super Bowl is now pegged as the 10th most watch program in American TV history just after the M.A.S.H. finale of February 1983."



I told the owners the viewers would be back. Can't wait for next year. Good luck on winning the culture wars.

Muahahahahaha

Posted by: Roger Goodell at February 05, 2018 08:51 PM (ohNf0)

331 Maybe a couple of hundred years of totalitarian Socialism is what the world needs. Maybe that is the arc of history. We don't have to stay for it. We can do things, if the spirit moves you. Taking an action of some kind might be better than laying down at the end of some dark corridor, pressing a button to get someone to come and help you go to the bathroom?

Posted by: goon at February 05, 2018 08:52 PM (EaQ6/)

332 But everything that keeps coming out tells me that what really happened was far worse than what we expected. What really happened was the actual, total capture of the government by a faction of hard core criminals, who then corrupted every facet of that government with almost minimal opposition.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 05, 2018 08:28 PM (V2Yro)

!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Zombie JFK at February 05, 2018 08:52 PM (g4lFK)

333 Please read the link Tami put up. I will even repost it.

https://tinyurl.com/y9ju5wtr

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (/tuJf)

This, if true, brings the whole thing to another level.

Posted by: Miklos Molnar, surprised but unsurprised at February 05, 2018 08:21 PM (zCyNd)
**********************************

Hmmmmmmm. Carter Page is going to be on The Ingraham Angle tonight. Not sure if they will be discussing this.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 05, 2018 08:52 PM (PvFoN)

334 Please read the link Tami put up. I will even repost it.

https://tinyurl.com/y9ju5wtr

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:03 PM (/tuJf)

The story of Papadopolous is pretty sketchy, too. NYMag has a few articles, with a link to the indictment, lying to the FBI.

Young hard charging policy advisor, seeking to ingratiate himself with Trump, establish Russian dialog, appears to get played/recruited by Russian intel with promises of hillary dirt*, within a month of joining campaign, muh Russian witch hunt begins, FBI interviews him, gives half answers about events a year earlier, freaks, and downhill from there.

They're ruining this young man for stupidity and the crime of being useful to take out Trump.

He is supposedly the genesis of the FBI Russian collusion investigation.

*Look for revelations to come regarding this shady op, which bears all the hallmarks of the Trump Jr. bait and switch with the Russian Fusion GPS lawyer.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 05, 2018 08:52 PM (Dp6qK)

335 Fugazi:

https://youtu.be/qVGHQxWWCyg

(Marillion, 1984)

Posted by: JQ at February 05, 2018 08:53 PM (yD/Pf)

336 128 California city to experiment with 'universal basic income'...

Residents to get $500 month, no questions asked...

Gee, I wonder how well that will work?
Posted by: drudge at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (AI/Vm)


Isn't Stockton, the city in question, already notorious for having gone bankrupt?

Hard to figure, with that level of financial acumen on display.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 08:53 PM (jJMO3)

337 Morse Code Guy, we actually have a Bush clan member running for Governor in Colorado this year. Walker Stapleton is his name.

I will not vote for him if he ends up being the GOP nominee.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbot at February 05, 2018 08:54 PM (wSC8T)

338 And we knew that there was nothing but bullshit behind the RUSSIAN!!! screaming from when they first pulled that crap out in the primaries to explain the phishing of that idiot and other laughable acts of "hacking that required the sophistication of a nation-state". Anyone who read that report that the FBI (and 17 intelligence agencies) put out to "prove" that the Russians had hacked - who was it, Podesta? - the DNC emails could see that this was an endless pit of bullshit that only a 7 year old might take seriously.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 08:54 PM (8gDQu)

339 Steele's involvement has violated the Paris Treaty of 1783. Break out the muskets, boys, the Revolution is back on!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 08:55 PM (wdmm9)

340 fee-fi-fo-fum, i smell the blood of an englishman

Posted by: concrete girl at February 05, 2018 08:55 PM (C6eZV)

341 >>Exactly. Listening to that dope Hannity and his guests saying that their rank-and-file FBI homies are really upset about this. Then why haven't any come forward and gone on the record?

What makes you think any of them knew or had evidence of what happened? The FBI is a huge organization, over 35,000 employees. The vast majority of those employees don't work on the 7th floor of FBI HQ in DC.

They work in the field or at large facilities outside of HQ or even not on the 7th floor.

This was an operation by a handful of the most senior people in the organization, one of the most secret organizations in the world. That's pretty much in their job description.

If this was all common knowledge at the FBI, don't you think we might have heard about it years ago?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:55 PM (/tuJf)

342 308 Dicaprio, in the movie The Departed, used the term fugazi to describe a fake diamond ring, and it was then discussed as related to some local car seller iirc.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 05, 2018 08:44 PM (0ogQG)


That high school diploma is really paying off.

Oh, wait. Well, that year or two of high school is really paying, eh, Leo?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 08:55 PM (jJMO3)

343
California city to experiment with 'universal basic income'...

Residents to get $500 month, no questions asked...

Gee, I wonder how well that will work?
Posted by: drudge at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM


Crumbs

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 05, 2018 08:56 PM (IqV8l)

344 128 California city to experiment with 'universal basic income'...

Residents to get $500 month, no questions asked...

Gee, I wonder how well that will work?
Posted by: drudge at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (AI/Vm)is

Sounds like a huge money laundering scam.

Expect street drug prices to triple.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:56 PM (g4lFK)

345 I doubt Steele GAF about what US laws he violated. He didn't even show up for the deposition in the civil case that's pending against him in London.

https://tinyurl.com/y7rcwa5q

He's like Eric Holder crossed with the Honey Badger.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 05, 2018 08:57 PM (/qEW2)

346 Residents to get $500 month, no questions asked...


No questions except: Do you live in Stockton? How long have you lived in Stockton? How much money do you make? How old are you? Other than that, no questions.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 08:57 PM (wdmm9)

347 344 128 California city to experiment with 'universal basic income'...

Residents to get $500 month, no questions asked...

Gee, I wonder how well that will work?
Posted by: drudge at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM (AI/Vm)is

Sounds like a huge money laundering scam.

Expect street drug prices to triple.
Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:56 PM (g4lFK)


Along with property taxes, and crime generally.

Good place to test a MOAB.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (jJMO3)

348 He's like Eric Holder crossed with the Honey Badger.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 05, 2018 08:57 PM (/qEW2)


So he's a Chinless Badger.

Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (yzxic)

349 I despair.

Maybe just hit a saturation point about the state of our country.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (ohNf0)

350 Steele needs to shower with Bubba.
So does Obama.
So does Comey.
So does that FBI adulterer.

As for Hillary, she needs to shower, get sober, and have a full body cavity search done on her by butch prison guards using splintering broom handles.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (QMwOT)

351 BitCoin 6500.

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (g4lFK)

352 California city to experiment with 'universal basic income'...

Residents to get $500 month, no questions asked...

Gee, I wonder how well that will work?
Posted by: drudge at February 05, 2018 08:00 PM


The price to rent a 1x1x1 "room" in Stockton will probably go to $400/month.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (8gDQu)

353 "An Inconvenient Truth" is on TCM. They've officially fucked the shark.

--

Yeah, I saw that. Fwiw, TCM has been showing documentaries all afternoon. With all at their disposal, why they chose to show that lying sack o'crud and his debunked nonsense is... Well, not a mystery. They are, after all, hosted by that Ben Mancowitz (sp?) lefty.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (mQ0Mc)

354 Been living on the streets of Stockton for as long as I can remember. Give me my $500.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (2DOZq)

355 No questions except: Do you live in Stockton? How long have you lived in Stockton? How much money do you make? How old are you? Other than that, no questions.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 08:57 PM (wdmm9)


Save time: "do you vote Democrat?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 08:59 PM (jJMO3)

356 Morse Code Guy, we actually have a Bush clan member running for Governor in Colorado this year. Walker Stapleton is his name.

I will not vote for him if he ends up being the GOP nominee.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbot at February




very cool. only way to teach them a lesson.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 08:59 PM (MTjB1)

357 354 Been living on the streets of Stockton for as long as I can remember. Give me my $500.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (2DOZq)


I stopped for a traffic light there once. Where's my $500?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 08:59 PM (jJMO3)

358 "An Inconvenient Truth" is on TCM. They've officially fucked the shark.

Maybe it's about the Nunes memo.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:00 PM (jJMO3)

359 Stockton has some nice parts.
Not many, but some.

Posted by: navybrat at February 05, 2018 09:00 PM (w7KSn)

360 Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 was sponsored by Nancy Pelosi
Most taxpayers below the income limit received a rebate of at least $300 per person ($600 for married couples filing jointly).

Posted by: SMOD at February 05, 2018 09:00 PM (e8kgV)

361 This was an operation by a handful of the most senior people in the organization, one of the most secret organizations in the world. That's pretty much in their job description.

If this was all common knowledge at the FBI, don't you think we might have heard about it years ago?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:55 PM (/tuJf)

____

In any given organization, the "little people" know what the execs are doing. Now you can make a case the the field agents knew but want to keep their jobs so they keep quiet. But it's ludicrous to think they didn't know. It's like saying I had no clue what Weinstein was doing even as I spent 25 years as B-list actor in Hollywood.

They all knew.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 09:01 PM (vyHiq)

362
Been living on the streets of Stockton for as long as I can remember. Give me my $500.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

I stopped for a traffic light there once. Where's my $500?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


I've watched The Big Valley a few times. Do I qualify?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 05, 2018 09:01 PM (IqV8l)

363 Just saw Incompetent Fat Fuck on TCM. Appropriately enough, we have 6" of snow headed our way.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 05, 2018 09:02 PM (xyyFj)

364 Stockton has 2 choices:
1. Give a tax abatement to a company who will move into town and employ hundreds of citizens, thereby infusing money into the local economy. The city's only responsibility is to make the town livable so the employees live there, and ensure the commercial district is robust enough that they spend their money there.

2. Take money from businesses and high income residents and just give it to poorer residents, attracting more unemployed, SSI receiving residents who are looking for an easy extra $500. Businesses have more motivation to leave, and high income residents have motivation to move.

They chose 2. Solid choice.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 09:02 PM (wdmm9)

365 355 No questions except: Do you live in Stockton?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 08:57 PM (wdmm9)

Save time: "do you vote Democrat?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 08:59 PM (jJMO3)

___

Isn't that the same question?

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 09:02 PM (vyHiq)

366 Yeah, I saw that. Fwiw, TCM has been showing documentaries all afternoon. With all at their disposal, why they chose to show that lying sack o'crud and his debunked nonsense is... Well, not a mystery. They are, after all, hosted by that Ben Mancowitz (sp?) lefty.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 05, 2018 08:58 PM (mQ0Mc)

How does that square fit in the TCM Black History Month circle?

The Horde will figure it out.

Next up. Flipping Guam.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:02 PM (48QDY)

367 ...a rebate of at least $300 per person...

Why, that's not even enough to buy a decent pair of earrings!

pffftt!

Posted by: JQ at February 05, 2018 09:02 PM (yD/Pf)

368 Monk, now you've got me thinking back to Duke's endorsement of Trump in 2016. At the time I thought it was legitimate, and I didn't care, because Duke is free to have his own opinion and voice it, and, besides, he's kind of a nobody when you get right down to it.

But now you've got me wondering... did he endorse Trump just to try to make Trump look bad? Is David Duke actually a professional strawman for the hard left, like Fred Phelps was?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbot at February 05, 2018 09:02 PM (wSC8T)

369 If this was all common knowledge at the FBI, don't you think we might have heard about it years ago?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:55 PM (/tuJf)


During the dark days of the Barky years there were many things that were known by many that never saw the light of day.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (8gDQu)

370 I identify as a Stocktonite. Now gimme.

Posted by: freaked at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (UdKB7)

371 Do you live in Stockton? How long have you lived in Stockton?

>>>

Senor, I bin leeving in Shtokton all my lyeef!

Posted by: Gref at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (AMIL/)

372 Isn't Stockton, the city in question, already notorious for having gone bankrupt?

Hard to figure, with that level of financial acumen on display.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 08:53 PM (jJMO3)

===

Yes they went bankrupt about 6 years ago. Oh, also, its a shithole. A gigantic turd in the middle of the Central Valley.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (EZebt)

373 BitCoin Hackers, Fruads, and Flaws expose technology as Ponzi scheme.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/technology/ virtual-currency-regulation.html

Crypto coin status

( X ) Dead as fuck

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (g4lFK)

374 319 Oops, never mind, it was Depp in Donnie Brasco that used the term fugazi. My bad.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 05, 2018 08:47 PM (0ogQG)


Same snarky comment applies to Derp: did you learn that term in the year or two you spent in high school? What are your thoughts, if you'll pardon the exaggeration, on global warming? How about on quantum electrodynamics?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (jJMO3)

375 As to you theory in the OP, ace, you are right. Whether the goal was to funnel bullshit to Steele, or he was to produce it, his imprimatur was the be all, end all, a celebrity endorsement as far as those things go in D.C.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (lc+vu)

376 360 Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 was sponsored by Nancy Pelosi
Most taxpayers below the income limit received a rebate of at least $300 per person ($600 for married couples filing jointly).
Posted by: SMOD at February 05, 2018 09:00 PM (e8kgV)


W did something similar in 2001. Hell, the EITC does it every year.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 09:04 PM (wdmm9)

377 How do you they aren't? Just because they aren't doing it in front of tv cameras doesn't mean people aren't talking behind the scene like most whistleblowers.

-------

No whistleblowers went to Congress. Which is where they would go to blow the whistle because absolutely no one can be trusted in the FBI.

So if none went to the obvious place to blow the whistle then certainly they didn't go blow the whistle some other place where they would most likely expect not to be heard.

However, we know one person associated with the Uranium One investigation (an informant) was willing to blow the whistle and that before Congress. Yet he disappeared off the face of the Earth, never to be heard from again.

Posted by: MAGA at February 05, 2018 09:04 PM (LnOh3)

378 Yes they went bankrupt about 6 years ago. Oh, also, its a shithole. A gigantic turd in the middle of the Central Valley.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (EZebt)


The hell you say. You'd think it would be a socialist paradise.

Actually, as socialist paradises go, it probably is. Venezuelans would probably love to escape to Stockton.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:05 PM (jJMO3)

379 Does a Stockton PO box count towards residency? Because if it does, I need to open a UPS store pronto.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 09:05 PM (wdmm9)

380 Open my dossier.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:05 PM (g4lFK)

381 2. Take money from businesses and high income residents and just give it to poorer residents, attracting more unemployed, SSI receiving residents who are looking for an easy extra $500. Businesses have more motivation to leave, and high income residents have motivation to move.

They chose 2. Solid choice.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 09:02 PM (wdmm9)

===

That is pretty much how they went bankrupt. I think their public employees also were owed a lot.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at February 05, 2018 09:06 PM (EZebt)

382 "This was an operation by a handful of the most senior people in the organization, one of the most secret organizations in the world. That's pretty much in their job description.

If this was all common knowledge at the FBI, don't you think we might have heard about it years ago?
Posted by: JackStraw

my one FBI friend, old drinking/sports buddy type, not professional realtionship. He said "they" (fellow FBI, outside DC) were not happy that Comey (hence they, the FBI) "fell on the sword for Lynch".

He didn't say much more (on Facebook), but YES, they the field agents KNEW they were sold out by Comey.

I'm not sure what they should have done ... I think "they" would prefer action is taken against Comey.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 09:06 PM (bT8Z4)

383 >>In any given organization, the "little people" know what the execs are doing. Now you can make a case the the field agents knew but want to keep their jobs so they keep quiet. But it's ludicrous to think they didn't know. It's like saying I had no clue what Weinstein was doing even as I spent 25 years as B-list actor in Hollywood.

No they don't. I've worked at both ends of those corporations and that is bullshit.

They may have their suspicions and think something is going but they don't have any proof. People don't quit their jobs or become a whisteblower because they work in the field office in East Bumfuck and think something doesn't seem right at FBI HQ. That is B level Hollywood shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:06 PM (/tuJf)

384

Dick Stockton is mort?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 05, 2018 09:06 PM (FkvKh)

385 Napolitano on one of the news shows tonight suggested that Steele may also be prosecuted by the British Intelligence services if he was still in MI 6 ( left in 2009) while he was also on the payroll or in any way indebted or overseen by the FBI here in the states. We don't know all of the dates yet due to redactions. He also wondered if the FBI knew he was still an agent for the Brits when they 'acquired" his services , which would also be illegal here and that is why they were squawking so much about having the memo released. They had dumped him as an informant or analyst or whatever he was doing for them when he started leaking classified material to the press.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 05, 2018 09:07 PM (7Jr56)

386 This was an operation by a handful of the most senior people in the organization, one of the most secret organizations in the world. That's pretty much in their job description.

If this was all common knowledge at the FBI, don't you think we might have heard about it years ago?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 08:55 PM (/tuJf)

____

In any given organization, the "little people" know what the execs are doing. Now you can make a case the the field agents knew but want to keep their jobs so they keep quiet. But it's ludicrous to think they didn't know. It's like saying I had no clue what Weinstein was doing even as I spent 25 years as B-list actor in Hollywood.

They all knew.
Posted by: #neverskankles at February




yep. you have to have a pretty generous definition of "senior" to believe that.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:07 PM (MTjB1)

387 Open my folder.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:07 PM (g4lFK)

388 364 Stockton has 2 choices:
1. Give a tax abatement to a company who will move into town and employ hundreds of citizens, thereby infusing money into the local economy. The city's only responsibility is to make the town livable so the employees live there, and ensure the commercial district is robust enough that they spend their money there.

2. Take money from businesses and high income residents and just give it to poorer residents, attracting more unemployed, SSI receiving residents who are looking for an easy extra $500. Businesses have more motivation to leave, and high income residents have motivation to move.

They chose 2. Solid choice.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 09:02 PM (wdmm9)


I wonder how it'll turn out. I'm on tenter hooks waiting.

Lessee, you attract the worthless, and drive away the valuable ... hmmm ... must think ... must think ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:08 PM (jJMO3)

389 BitCoin Hackers, Fruads, and Flaws expose technology as Ponzi scheme.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/technology/ virtual-currency-regulation.html

Crypto coin status

( X ) Dead as fuck

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (g4lFK)


That article is sort of ridiculous. Blaming the currency for someone hacking into an exchange? Blaming the currency for pyramid schemes built on it? That's silliness of the highest level.

The whole article was nothing but an advertisement for government regulation, as if anything that lacks government regulation is evil.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 09:08 PM (8gDQu)

390 Wait a second....the DiCaprio fugazi.....it's from Wolf of Wall St, except it's Matthew McConneghey giving the speech

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 05, 2018 09:08 PM (vyHiq)

391 No they don't. I've worked at both ends of those corporations and that is bullshit.

They may have their suspicions and think something is going but they don't have any proof. People don't quit their jobs or become a whisteblower because they work in the field office in East Bumfuck and think something doesn't seem right at FBI HQ. That is B level Hollywood shit.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:06 PM (/tuJf)


I'm with Jack. Also the Hollywood and FBI thing are chalk and cheese IMO.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:09 PM (ohNf0)

392 375 As to you theory in the OP, ace, you are right. Whether the goal was to funnel bullshit to Steele, or he was to produce it, his imprimatur was the be all, end all, a celebrity endorsement as far as those things go in D.C.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (lc+vu)

McCarthy makes that point in his NR article today, calling it vicarious credibility, akin to money laundering, giving compond hearsay an aire of respectable intelligence and investigation.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 05, 2018 09:09 PM (Dp6qK)

393 In any given organization, the "little people" know what the execs are doing. Now you can make a case the the field agents knew but want to keep their jobs so they keep quiet. But it's ludicrous to think they didn't know. It's like saying I had no clue what Weinstein was doing even as I spent 25 years as B-list actor in Hollywood.

They all knew.
Posted by: #neverskankles at February


Who knows all the shit that's going in a corporation?

The secretaries.

Who knows all the shit that's going in the military?

The NCOs.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:09 PM (jJMO3)

394 Open my folder.
Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:07 PM (g4lFK)

Pulled my finger

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2018 09:09 PM (SjImc)

395 Napolitano on one of the news shows tonight suggested that Steele may also be prosecuted by the British Intelligence services if he was still in MI 6 ( left in 2009) while he was also on the payroll or in any way indebted or overseen by the FBI here in the states. We don't know all of the dates yet due to redactions. He also wondered if the FBI knew he was still an agent for the Brits when they 'acquired" his services , which would also be illegal here and that is why they were squawking so much about having the memo released. They had dumped him as an informant or analyst or whatever he was doing for them when he started leaking classified material to the press.
Posted by: Jen the original at February




well, if he was working for them and developed the dossier at their behest that is an even bigger problem for mi6.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:10 PM (MTjB1)

396 going ON

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:10 PM (jJMO3)

397 Sara Carter is really awesome!

Posted by: redridinghood at February 05, 2018 09:10 PM (PvFoN)

398 364 Stockton has 2 choices:
1. Give a tax abatement to a company who will move into town and employ hundreds of citizens, thereby infusing money into the local economy. The city's only responsibility is to make the town livable so the employees live there, and ensure the commercial district is robust enough that they spend their money there.

2. Take money from businesses and high income residents and just give it to poorer residents, attracting more unemployed, SSI receiving residents who are looking for an easy extra $500. Businesses have more motivation to leave, and high income residents have motivation to move.

They chose 2. Solid choice.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 09:02 PM (wdmm9)


3. Liberals flee California and settle in various other states, and continue to vote for liberal policies, turning their new locales Left.


California is like a Leftist seed pod bursting, and scattering its seeds all over the country.

It's almost like this was the plan all along.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 09:11 PM (sdi6R)

399 Sara's on Hannity now

Posted by: redridinghood at February 05, 2018 09:11 PM (PvFoN)

400 391 No they don't. I've worked at both ends of those corporations and that is bullshit.

They may have their suspicions and think something is going but they don't have any proof. People don't quit their jobs or become a whisteblower because they work in the field office in East Bumfuck and think something doesn't seem right at FBI HQ. That is B level Hollywood shit.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:06 PM (/tuJf)


I'm with Jack. Also the Hollywood and FBI thing are chalk and cheese IMO.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:09 PM (ohNf0)

Dammit. What I meant was the scandals and sex crimes coming out of Hollywood, and those who knew, is a very different animal than the FBI corruption. That's what I meant be chalk and cheese.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:11 PM (ohNf0)

401 California is like a Leftist seed pod bursting, and scattering its seeds all over the country.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 09:11 PM (sdi6R)

Nailed it.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:12 PM (48QDY)

402 this is not the same as some corporation. read the atkisson piece at the hill the rules required people from the field office all the way up to the hq to get the fisa warrants as well as fis office a the doj to be involved. much more than a few rogue senior people in dc.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:12 PM (MTjB1)

403 Be

Dammit

*by

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:12 PM (ohNf0)

404 3. Liberals flee California and settle in various other states, and continue to vote for liberal policies, turning their new locales Left.


California is like a Leftist seed pod bursting, and scattering its seeds all over the country.

It's almost like this was the plan all along.
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 09:11 PM (sdi6R)


It's how California became liberal in the first place. Seed pods in the Northeast and upper Midwest burst, infecting my beloved California.

Go to a Padres-Cubs game. Three-quarters of those in attendance are rooting for the Cubs.

I'm not kidding.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:13 PM (jJMO3)

405 Trump: "hi, Theresa. Do you think you could extradite Mr. Steele? There are a few things we'd like to ask him"

May: "Well! I think you've been vewy vewy wude and insensitive about our wonderfully diverse immigwant popuwation! I'm in no mood to be ordered about by a vulgawian such as yourself. Good day to you, sir!"

*slams phone*

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 05, 2018 09:13 PM (/qEW2)

406 In other words Steele's pants are afire and his nads are soaking in napalm.

He needs a trip through Traitor's Gate for a short haircut.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 05, 2018 09:13 PM (rpYJm)

407 If the CA DMV can't ask for proof of residency before issuing a drivers license and, by extension registering to vote, then Stockton can't ask for proof of residency before issuing $500 checks. I don't get it. How is it supposed to work? Just walk into city hall and sign a name to get $500/mo for life. Will you have to show a photo ID to get it? Because if you have to show photo ID to get your Stockton money, that would be hilarious.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 09:13 PM (wdmm9)

408 Sounds like opportunism to me, like he stuck his finger in the wind and saw which way it was blowing.

I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. Sorry, but I'm cynical that way.

Posted by: rickl
**************

We Bushes have been known as a lot of different things but opportunism, no way.

Posted by: Jeb at February 05, 2018 09:13 PM (U8pol)

409 You know, MAGA, something just occurred to me regarding whistleblowers and Congress.

Whittaker Chambers went to Congress in 1939 to blow the whistle on the Communist Party basically running DC. He dropped off a package of evidence detailing the conspiracy and went into hiding. Ten years later, in 1949, Congressman Richard Nixon took a look at this package and said, "Huh, this seems worth looking into..."

Ten. Years. Maybe we're looking at a similar situation here...

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbot at February 05, 2018 09:13 PM (wSC8T)

410 That article is sort of ridiculous. Blaming the currency for someone hacking into an exchange? Blaming the currency for pyramid schemes built on it? That's silliness of the highest level.

The whole article was nothing but an advertisement for government regulation, as if anything that lacks government regulation is evil.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 09:08 PM (8gDQu)

It's a Ponzi scheme. The 100's of other coins are fruads. Hackers are getting better and are hacking into exchanges. The governments can seize them if traced back to a crime. Countries like South Korea has banned them. China is taking.

The fact NYTs burned it to the ground means to get out now or else. Take it to buy or sell.

Either way, there needs to be safeguards to protect investors like stocks and with derivatives.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:14 PM (g4lFK)

411 Open my folder.
Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:07 PM (g4lFK)

Pulled my finger
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2018 09:09 PM (SjImc)


I love the people on here who make me laugh even when I'm despairing. Love.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:14 PM (ohNf0)

412 Will you have to show a photo ID to get it? Because if you have to show photo ID to get your Stockton money, that would be hilarious racist.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:14 PM (jJMO3)

413 Look, is the Justice department going to show us their tits or not?

I've seen so many episodes of this and I still haven't seen any nipples.

So to speak.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 05, 2018 09:15 PM (xJa6I)

414
Is there a Big Citrus?

And is zombie part of its cabal?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 05, 2018 09:15 PM (FkvKh)

415 Why does the front page look so 90's.

What have you people done?

Posted by: eleven at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (+lOpA)

416 Hmmm... (pencils in Stockton, CA as next place to take a vacation)

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbot at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (wSC8T)

417 405 Trump: "hi, Theresa. Do you think you could extradite Mr. Steele? There are a few things we'd like to ask him"

May: "Well! I think you've been vewy vewy wude and insensitive about our wonderfully diverse immigwant popuwation! I'm in no mood to be ordered about by a vulgawian such as yourself. Good day to you, sir!"

*slams phone*
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 05, 2018 09:13 PM (/qEW2)

Steve! Welcome back, missed you during your time out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (xJa6I)

418 Y'all can have Stockton. I'm still walking the streets of Bakersfield with Dee-wight. (no homo)

And yeah I know that you don't like me...

Posted by: zombie Buck Owens (an adopted Molnar) at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (zCyNd)

419 Who knows all the shit that's going in a corporation?

The secretaries.

Who knows all the shit that's going in the military?

The NCOs.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:09 PM (jJMO3)

Uh, no to the secretaries. For one thing, there aren't "secretaries" as one pictures Mrs. Wiggins anymore, that position has be defunct since 2000. Assistants to the highest execs. possibly, but not likely. Not a chance that the rank and file FBI field people knew what Comey , Lynch, etc were doing outside of what was reported in the news to the rest of us. It isn't like they were having Suzy Secretary take dictation at their little meetings in Andy's office, who then gossiped it in the ladies restroom.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (7Jr56)

420 A lot of people lived off of Stockton's dole.

Posted by: the Utah Jazz at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (gBv3T)

421 The little people at the FBI have been screwing up as much as the senior people. Admittedly we do not know all of the successes of the FBI but the screw ups in the last few decades that we do know of are beyond acceptable.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (2DOZq)

422 Papadopoulos and Page. Bit players and un-paid hangers on in the Trump campaign but according to the FBI co-conspirators in some grand Russian Putin scheme to subvert muh Democracy.

Posted by: CM9000 at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (6UYA5)

423 well, the sooner california goes off the rails the better it will serve as an example to everyone else what can happen when the left gets its way.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (MTjB1)

424 >>this is not the same as some corporation. read the atkisson piece at the hill the rules required people from the field office all the way up to the hq to get the fisa warrants as well as fis office a the doj to be involved. much more than a few rogue senior people in dc.

And unlike most operations in the FBI, both the Hillary email investigation and the Trump investigation took place entirely at FBI HQ by the same people.

There were no field offices involved. It was all controlled to prevent information from leaving what they even called a "small group" in one of the most secretive organizations on the planet. That's the whole point.

I don't know how much more obvious this can get. We had the top spies running a secret op that they knew had to be kept secret not just be kept from the public but from everyone including people in their own organization because what they were doing was highly illegal.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (/tuJf)

425 404
It's how California became liberal in the first place. Seed pods in the Northeast and upper Midwest burst, infecting my beloved California.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:13 PM (jJMO3)


OK, good point.

Obligatory earworm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENrmULWKbeM

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (sdi6R)

426 Dear Jim Sunk New Dawn- you don't know what I would give to share a bottle of wine with you on Sloop New Dawn. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (w7U7L)

427 420 A lot of people lived off of Stockton's dole.
Posted by: the Utah Jazz at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (gBv3T)


I know right?

Posted by: Malone at February 05, 2018 09:18 PM (+lOpA)

428 living in a conspiracy computer simulation matrix is real.
Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 08:20 PM (g4lFK)

Monk, are you sure the weed is just for pain management?

Posted by: Max Power at February 05, 2018 09:18 PM (q177U)

429
Theresa May's govt is so scandalized right now she has zero political power, therefore she's ripe for all kinds of schemes and deals.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 05, 2018 09:18 PM (FkvKh)

430 A lot of people lived off of Stockton's dole.
Posted by: the Utah Jazz at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (gBv3T)

And the delivery of the mail.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:18 PM (48QDY)

431 Posted by: Jen the original at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (7Jr56)

Except the ones they were sleeping with.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:18 PM (2DOZq)

432 423 well, the sooner california goes off the rails the better it will serve as an example to everyone else what can happen when the left gets its way.
Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (MTjB1)


Not to be a downer here, but how many such examples are needed? There's already a plethora of them not only overseas but in the U.S. Any Democrat run city or state leaps to mind in this connection.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:19 PM (jJMO3)

433 We Bushes have been known as a lot of different things but opportunism, no way.
Posted by: Jeb at February




yeah, sure, you never thought that marrying a hispanic would swing your way.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:19 PM (MTjB1)

434 I live in Tennessee, but I identify as a resident of Stockton. Gimme my check.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 05, 2018 09:19 PM (gC2IV)

435 Re: Flynn.

Um, no mueller is a bad man.

FBI cleared what he said. Meuller decided to apply the republican standard to all people in the investigation. What was once ok turned into "OMG obstructin' cause muh perjury"

see also Manafort.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:19 PM (V3U1L)

436 Will you have to show a photo ID to get it? Because if you have to show photo ID to get your Stockton money, that would be hilarious racist.


Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:14 PM (jJMO3)
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Hahaha... if they don't ask for id's how many people do you think are going to be claiming they live in Stockton.
Mexico will be running ads to set up tents.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 05, 2018 09:20 PM (PvFoN)

437 >>>A lot of people lived off of Stockton's dole.

Posted by: the Utah Jazz at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (gBv3T)



And the delivery of the mail.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:18 PM (48QDY)<<<

I'm the son of Karl Malone.

Posted by: John Kasich at February 05, 2018 09:20 PM (gBv3T)

438 Steve! Welcome back, missed you during your time out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 05, 2018 09:16 PM (xJa6I)


========

Thanks! I just had to get that little bit of silliness out of my system. I can now move on with life.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Beldar at February 05, 2018 09:20 PM (/qEW2)

439 Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (/tuJf)

So that makes the lovebird's texts part of their super secrecy?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:20 PM (2DOZq)

440 Obligatory earworm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENrmULWKbeM
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (sdi6R)


That prick Scott McKenzie should have been castrated with rusty garden shears. He has SO much to answer for.

And we should stick a flower up his ass while we're at it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 09:21 PM (jJMO3)

441 The little people at the FBI have been screwing up as much as the senior people. Admittedly we do not know all of the successes of the FBI but the screw ups in the last few decades that we do know of are beyond acceptable.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (2DOZq)


Is this about me? I bet it's about me.

Posted by: Hawaiian Alert System Employee at February 05, 2018 09:21 PM (ohNf0)

442 Manafort's "crimes" that resulted in a 5am SWAT visit was known as "just being a player in the international advocacy business" which, as you can imagine, is not tightly regulated.

oh, there are guidelines, which are ignored.

ANYWAY, mueller reached back into an interview he did, in what...2013, about whatever and said "aha, you not licensed to do the Logan Act" or whatever and his known behavior from eyars ago became "evidence of trump obstruction"

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:21 PM (V3U1L)

443 It's a Ponzi scheme.

It is nothing of the sort. Do you know anything about bitcoins or cryptos, in general?

The 100's of other coins are fruads.

Some are. Some are real cryptos. Some are just instant tokens. And even among the tokens, some are good and some are bad ... just like with pretty much everything else in life.

Hackers are getting better and are hacking into exchanges.

Exchanges have nothing to do with the underlying cryptos. If someone robs a bank does that reflect anything on the dollars? No, it doesn't.

The governments can seize them if traced back to a crime. Countries like South Korea has banned them. China is taking.

Bitcoins can be declared tainted and followed. That is true. That is part of what I don't like about bitcoin's open ledger. We had a reasonable discussion of this on a thread not more than a few days ago. Other coins, like Monero, cannot be tagged as such. They do not have open ledgers.

The fact NYTs burned it to the ground means to get out now or else. Take it to buy or sell.

It means nothing.

Either way, there needs to be safeguards to protect investors like stocks and with derivatives.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:14 PM (g4lFK)


Bullshit. I'm so sick of people being treated like they're 5 years old and then others making arguments that we all need to be treated as if we have no responsibility. If an investor can't figure out what he's doing then he deserves to lose his money.

Sheesh.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 09:21 PM (8gDQu)

444 so was Flynn a 4th dimensional chess master, or just some guy who Mueller decided to squeeze on the basis of matching a recorded conversation.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:22 PM (V3U1L)

445 Either way, there needs to be safeguards to protect investors like stocks and with derivatives.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:14 PM (g4lFK)
**********

Bitcoin is worse than tulip bulbs. At least with the bulbs there was something tangible.

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 09:23 PM (U8pol)

446 " Not a chance that the rank and file FBI field people knew what Comey , Lynch, etc were doing outside of what was reported in the news to the rest of us. It isn't like they were having Suzy Secretary take dictation at their little meetings in Andy's office, who then gossiped it in the ladies restroom.
Posted by: Jen

My old friend took it on himself to post what he normally never talked about, that Comey "fell on the sword for Lynch" and that they (his fellow agents) were not happy about it.

But somehow all you guys know that no field agents are aware of anything.

OK, fine ... live with your superior insight.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 09:23 PM (bT8Z4)

447 "409 You know, MAGA, something just occurred to me regarding whistleblowers and Congress.

Whittaker Chambers went to Congress in 1939 to blow the whistle on the Communist Party basically running DC. He dropped off a package of evidence detailing the conspiracy and went into hiding. Ten years later, in 1949, Congressman Richard Nixon took a look at this package and said, "Huh, this seems worth looking into..."

Ten. Years. Maybe we're looking at a similar situation here..."

Great and interesting point but this isn't exactly analogous. We are finding out about something just as enormous as Soviet infiltration in less than 20 or so months. Eventually we very well may learn there were some loyal FBI/DOJ employees who made certain this got out very quickly. Some of those folks may have done the actual footwork in "tapping Trump Tower."

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 09:23 PM (lc+vu)

448 Steve, did you or did you not knowingly fraternize with Botz that proved harmful to Ace of Spades?

Posted by: Max Power at February 05, 2018 09:23 PM (Hucnr)

449 Wait...ace got a "first"? Obviously he hacked his own blog...he needs to put himself into time out right away if he hasn't done so already. He can come back after noon tomorrow...*get some rest ace, this is your out*

Posted by: lin-duh at February 05, 2018 09:23 PM (kufk0)

450
It's not my fault that Perot was a crummy candidate.

Wait...is this about me? What am I doing here?

Posted by: Adm. Stockdale at February 05, 2018 09:24 PM (9tO1t)

451 >>So that makes the lovebird's texts part of their super secrecy?

Yes. Believe it or not those two "love birds" were high ranking FBI officials and part of the small group.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:24 PM (/tuJf)

452 California is not off the rails, california is in open revolt and is an open beachhead to the 3rd world the left wants to use as their new voter block.

trump needs to militarize the border...and the airports and ports. ICE the fuck out of everyone.

He needs Operation Wetback...the go the fuck backhome, aleady...and declare birthright citizenship null and void. you got to have parents who were in Vietnam or go home.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:24 PM (V3U1L)

453 Think I'll open up one of those PO Box rental places in Stockton and claim I'm serving the homeless population. Rent is $100 per month.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 05, 2018 09:24 PM (gC2IV)

454 >>> so was Flynn a 4th dimensional chess master, or just some guy who Mueller decided to squeeze on the basis of matching a recorded conversation.

Hey we all got our own Choose Your Own Adventure here, so he can be anything!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Resting Comfortably at February 05, 2018 09:24 PM (vRV3Q)

455 Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:21 PM (V3U1L)

I am sure the members of that team were shot by the MIB memory eraser beam so that what the FBI big wigs were doing would only stay with the top people.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:24 PM (2DOZq)

456 I don't know how much more obvious this can get. We had the top spies running a secret op that they knew had to be kept secret not just be kept from the public but from everyone including people in their own organization because what they were doing was highly illegal.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:17 PM (/tuJf)

Not just kept secret, but with managed leaks to give the "investigation" the appearance of legitimacy.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 05, 2018 09:25 PM (Dp6qK)

457 Not to be a downer here, but how many such examples are needed? There's already a plethora of them not only overseas but in the U.S. Any Democrat run city or state leaps to mind in this connection.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February




well, you are right but the examples have not been widely known. sure people know detroit is a shithole but no one wants to delve into why it is a shithole because it was run into the ground by blacks and unions and democrats in general. besides you always have the fallback of manufacturing left to go south and the japanese took their jobs. even more, no one really knows how much of a shithole detroit is because no one has put it in the media in detail.

california is different. you have the silicon valley, hollywood. every advantage imaginable. you have continuing successful enterprises, beautiful climate, and somehow the democrats are managing to destroy the place.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:25 PM (MTjB1)

458 *slams phone*

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 05, 2018 09:13 PM (/qEW2)

From POTUS-

Note to staff-inform the UK and the French that the US will no longer supply nuclear warheads to the UK, leaving France as the sole European nuclear power.

Tell Mrs. May she should call back during normal business hours.

Posted by: Realpolitik Miklos at February 05, 2018 09:25 PM (zCyNd)

459 Nobody in the FBI knew what was going on, but everyone at Ace of Spades HQ did.

:rolls eyes:

Posted by: MAGA at February 05, 2018 09:25 PM (LnOh3)

460 BitCoin Hackers, Fruads, and Flaws expose technology as Ponzi scheme.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/technology/ virtual-currency-regulation.html



Crypto coin status



( X ) Dead as fuck

Posted by: Monk at February 05, 2018 09:03 PM (g4lFK)

===========================
Good news! In a couple of months, I can buy an RX580 GPU for a reasonable price.

Posted by: mrp at February 05, 2018 09:26 PM (Pqytn)

461 455 Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:21 PM (V3U1L)

I am sure the members of that team were shot by the MIB memory eraser beam so that what the FBI big wigs were doing would only stay with the top people.

-----

and yet here we are...we have folks pretending like mueller is good man doing good but just happened to staff his team with rabid partizans who...oops didn't bother to actually investigate russian hacking or interfering.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:26 PM (V3U1L)

462 The little people at the FBI have been screwing up as much as the senior people.
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Pfft.

Posted by: BATF at February 05, 2018 09:26 PM (9tO1t)

463 Jeez, if I can figure out how to totally bilk Stockton right off the top of my head, imagine what real criminals can do.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 05, 2018 09:26 PM (gC2IV)

464 Bullshit. I'm so sick of people being treated like they're 5 years old and then others making arguments that we all need to be treated as if we have no responsibility. If an investor can't figure out what he's doing then he deserves to lose his money.

Sheesh.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 09:21 PM (8gDQu)

Agreed.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at February 05, 2018 09:26 PM (T71PA)

465 British intelligence agencies were complicit in Obama corruption. It will take a lot to reestablish the "Special Relationship."

Posted by: CM9000 at February 05, 2018 09:27 PM (6UYA5)

466 Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:24 PM (/tuJf)

My sarcasm was their carelessness if they are supposed to be super secret. You think none of the non upper staff did not know they were boinking each other?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:27 PM (2DOZq)

467 Not just kept secret, but with managed leaks to give the "investigation" the appearance of legitimacy.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 05, 2018 09:25 PM (Dp6qK)

Harrison Ford may have one great role left...

Posted by: Cinematic Miklos at February 05, 2018 09:27 PM (zCyNd)

468 Yes. Believe it or not those two "love birds" were high ranking FBI officials and part of the small group.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:24 PM (/tuJf)


That is so scary on so many levels.

Ar least they were as stupid as they were unethical.

They can be the case study in how not to do things in a secret op.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:28 PM (ohNf0)

469 well, it's pretty obvious what happened. Trump knew from day 1 that his tower was bugged.

and it's not as if the left is going to be cowed with things like "here's comey's signature on a fisa warrant" or "clinton, lynch tarmac meeting" or "hillary deleted 30,000 emails" or "the IRS destroyed all the evidence, whoops" (not obstruction, btw).

rememeber, hillary would win and this stuff goes all aweay

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:28 PM (V3U1L)

470 >>Nobody in the FBI knew what was going on, but everyone at Ace of Spades HQ did.


Actually none did until recently. And I don't think Congress would have taken us all that seriously if we had shown up and said we had a really bad feeling that something was up with the Hillary investigation.

There's one little thing that whistleblowers need and that's called evidence. Got any?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:28 PM (/tuJf)

471 Ar

At

I can't even

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:28 PM (ohNf0)

472 445
Bitcoin is worse than tulip bulbs. At least with the bulbs there was something tangible.
Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 09:23 PM (U8pol)


I'd set my cash on fire before I invested in bitcoin. That looks like a classic Ponzi scheme to me.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 09:29 PM (sdi6R)

473
Bullshit. I'm so sick of people being treated like they're 5 years old and then others making arguments that we all need to be treated as if we have no responsibility. If an investor can't figure out what he's doing then he deserves to lose his money.

Sheesh.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 09:21 PM (8gDQu)

I agree with you big guy.

They are and were digital tulips. Watching them die in real time online has been surreal.

But let's not pretend that the same MSM didn't run articles to pump them up.

Just pointing this out.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:29 PM (g4lFK)

474 Ok, I stand partially corrected. Sheryl Atkinson's piece at the Hill describes the Woods procedure, put in place in 2003 by none less than Robert Mueller, that requires a link to field offices that have a special agent in charge to corroborate evidence being given to obtain a FISA warrant.
So , yes, field offices would have known about the dossier IF the cabal at the top was using the procedure. I am quite doubtful they were. Here is a link to the Hill article

https://tinyurl.com/y96f8l9j

Posted by: Jen the original at February 05, 2018 09:29 PM (7Jr56)

475 Whittaker Chambers went to Congress in 1939 to blow the whistle on the Communist Party basically running DC. He dropped off a package of evidence detailing the conspiracy and went into hiding. Ten years later, in 1949, Congressman Richard Nixon took a look at this package and said, "Huh, this seems worth looking into..."

Ten. Years. Maybe we're looking at a similar situation here...

And it took until 1973 for the rat bastards to get Nixon, but they came for him. What ever else you think of Nixon, he had honor.

Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at February 05, 2018 09:29 PM (CL76w)

476 , imagine what real criminals can do.

You don't have to.

Posted by: Solyndra at February 05, 2018 09:30 PM (7Cr6v)

477 Ar least they were as stupid as they were unethical.
They can be the case study in how not to do things in a secret op.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:28 PM (ohNf0)

They'd been told for 20 years there was nothing wrong with beejers in the Oral Office. Lot of secret ops going there.

Can you blame them?

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:30 PM (48QDY)

478 I am still skeptical on a digital fiat currency backed by no government or good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 09:30 PM (2iZKp)

479 it's not as if it's the cleverest plan or anything. only 1 fisa app had ever been denied. the non-steele dossier trump warrant for page. right?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:30 PM (V3U1L)

480 I'd set my cash on fire before I invested in bitcoin. That looks like a classic Ponzi scheme to me.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 09:29 PM (sdi6R)

Let's not get too hasty. For certain select morons...

Posted by: Bernie Madoff, now with internet privileges! at February 05, 2018 09:30 PM (zCyNd)

481 "Alex Cabrera Gonsales" wasn't his real name.

"The man, identified as37-year-old Manuel Orrego-Savala, is a citizen of
Guatemala and is believed to have been intoxicated and driving without a
license." -WaPo

Posted by: RokShox at February 05, 2018 09:31 PM (yehh7)

482 so the high ranking official conspiracy collected the servers, placed the taps, retrieved the files, analyzed the emails, went through hillary's state department files? the high ranking people in the conspiracy may have made the decisions but there were scores of mid level people that were aware of the information collected which showed the wrong doing.

there were plenty of field agents involved to gather the information necessary to write the warrants.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:31 PM (MTjB1)

483 Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at February 05, 2018 09:29 PM (CL76w)

He definitely hated commies.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:31 PM (2DOZq)

484 hillary COLLUDED with foreign agents (and SNL) to cook up trump+putin narrative and then, gee, in the middle of second debate was all like Putin+trump. while the steele dossier was being shopped around.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:31 PM (V3U1L)

485 What if Steele is really just a cut-out?

I've thought this all along.

When you're constantly told how 'respected' he is yet he produced a mercenary pile of cow flop, you've got to suspect he was just there to legitimize the fiction written by the campaign.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 05, 2018 09:32 PM (oVJmc)

486 464 Bullshit. I'm so sick of people being treated like they're 5 years old and then others making arguments that we all need to be treated as if we have no responsibility. If an investor can't figure out what he's doing then he deserves to lose his money.

Sheesh.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 09:21 PM (8gDQu)

Agreed.
Posted by: DR.WTF? at February 05, 2018 09:26 PM (T71PA)

So get rid of the SEC? Get rid of oversight for stocks, bonds, commodities, and derivatives?

somehow I believe this would be bad since they force transparency and try to prevent fraud and Ponzi schemes.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:32 PM (g4lFK)

487 And it took until 1973 for the rat bastards to get Nixon, but they came for him. What ever else you think of Nixon, he had honor.
Posted by: free tibet
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Was was the personification of genteel refinement compared to LBJ.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2018 09:33 PM (QxXRY)

488 "Was was"?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2018 09:34 PM (QxXRY)

489 >>My sarcasm was their carelessness if they are supposed to be super secret. You think none of the non upper staff did not know they were boinking each other?

I'm not sure they were. The person that reported that they were having an affair was a WaPo reporter named Devlin Barrett. He is the same guy who was outed in the Strzok - Page texts as being one of the reporters they leaked to to build narratives.

It sure would be a good excuse to explain why two senior FBI agents were texting each other like 16 year old kids. They sent a reported 50,000 texts in less than a year. I don't know how they had any time for FBIing or even boinking with all that texting.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:34 PM (/tuJf)

490 I'd set my cash on fire before I invested in bitcoin.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 09:29 PM (sdi6R)



Exactly. I was gonna try and read more about it, then thought...why? You already know it's a fool's paradise.

It seems the media was hawking and hyping it. Which was confirmation it was a bad thing.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:34 PM (ohNf0)

491 Jeez, if I can figure out how to totally bilk Stockton right off the top of my head, imagine what real criminals can do.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 05, 2018 09:26 PM (gC2IV)



Add mail forwarding to your services for $50/mo. Take it national.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 05, 2018 09:34 PM (pAx+1)

492 since they force transparency and try to prevent fraud and Ponzi schemes.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:32 PM (g4lFK)

No offense, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

The SEC does a tiny bit of that, and mostly just adds complexity to global finance without any value added for the retail investor.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2018 09:35 PM (wYseH)

493 it's like, oh, you figured out the big plan.

when in reality, it's like:

what you dream up: ocean's 11 daring, high tech robbery
what you'd take: maybe like Point Break
what you actually do: Nick Cage in Raising Arizona.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:35 PM (V3U1L)

494 Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:34 PM (/tuJf)

Makes my thumbs hurt just thinking about it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:35 PM (2DOZq)

495 443. Got to agree with Pep here. Jan 1 2017 Bitcoin was under $1000. Idiots who jumped in in the 13 months it ran up to 8.7 K and will lose their shirts if it drops back to 1K or even to the $300-500 it was the couple years before then are idiots -- and most of them probably laughed like mad at the commercial with the tulip craze reference and thought how dumb those people were to invest in tulips. Any get rich quick scheme is a good way to lose a lot of money.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 05, 2018 09:35 PM (eASYU)

496 so who is going to move to stockton for the $500 a month? only people for whom $500 a month is meaningful. no one outside of california who has a job is going to move to california since it will cost you more than $3000 to move in moving expenses and taxes.


not much more than a way to get fodder for stockton's new sloyent green plant until their illegal immigrant amnesty plan kicks in.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:36 PM (MTjB1)

497 rememeber, hillary would win and this stuff goes all aweay
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:28 PM (V3U1L)

I honestly think this all started as a simple oppo project against Trump. Perhaps most of the others were included initially, as well.

I suspect it goes back further than mid summer of 2016.

As he gained momentum, it snowballed. Out of desperation.

Simple as that.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:36 PM (48QDY)

498 what you actually do: Nick Cage in Raising Arizona.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February




grab the diapers and run!

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:37 PM (MTjB1)

499 Earlier today: "Hillary Clinton said her loss to Donald Trump was a combination of misogyny caused by globalization anxiety and old-fashioned sexism and a refusal to accept the equality of women."

The wild thing is that I believe she's crazy enough to believe it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:37 PM (pV/54)

500 As he gained momentum, it snowballed. Out of desperation.

Simple as that.

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yeah, this is what we don't know. Maybe the do this stuff all the time?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:38 PM (V3U1L)

501 There was a legit reason for the tulip collapse. I believe the bitcoin started off as a scam.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:38 PM (2DOZq)

502 when you are running a sloyent green plant you need lots of undocumented people that no one will miss.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 09:38 PM (MTjB1)

503
"Alex Cabrera Gonsales" wasn't his real name.

"The man, identified as37-year-old Manuel Orrego-Savala, is a citizen of
Guatemala and is believed to have been intoxicated and driving without a
license." -WaPo


Posted by: RokShox at

Can you see my schocked face?

Posted by: Infidel at February 05, 2018 09:39 PM (FwcYV)

504 So get rid of the SEC?

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:32 PM (g4lFK

Does that mean we will finally be rid of that dreaded Nick Saban?

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:39 PM (48QDY)

505 Earlier today: "Hillary Clinton said her loss to Donald Trump was a combination of misogyny caused by globalization anxiety and old-fashioned sexism and a refusal to accept the equality of women."

The wild thing is that I believe she's crazy enough to believe it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:37 PM (pV/54)



What no Russians?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 05, 2018 09:39 PM (SiINZ)

506 Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at February 05, 2018 09:29 PM (CL76w)

He definitely hated commies.

anyone who went after the truth of the commies in the US gov't was a target. The Venona papers laid it all out. They still deny it. And they are still there to a degree, although more toward a one world govt. Whittaker Chambers was a warning sign- has was on the inside and saw the raw ugliness of the commies

Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at February 05, 2018 09:39 PM (CL76w)

507 492 since they force transparency and try to prevent fraud and Ponzi schemes.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:32 PM (g4lFK)

No offense, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

The SEC does a tiny bit of that, and mostly just adds complexity to global finance without any value added for the retail investor.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2018 09:35 PM (wYseH)

who forces the transparency of the markets and companies and exchanges within? Seems like all of them including our Own Private Fed Bank Wants Zero Oversight and Transparancy.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:39 PM (g4lFK)

508 The NSA KNEW ... many knew, many were directly involved in the plot. A FEW were the main instigators, but MANY knew, many were involved, those are the ones deciding now whether to run for cover pretending ignorance, or double down on helping the coup. The coup guys ... not looking so good.

"Just a few rogue agents"? Is that really the argument being made here, like the IRS and Cincinnati? NO ... mostly in DC, the compliant to the NWO, accepting the bonuses and early retirement, screw the "America Frist" people. But trying to hold on till retirement (at age 50 after 20 years with golden bennies, not like us schmucks that wait till 65)

Go outside DC to find real people.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 09:40 PM (bT8Z4)

509 504 So get rid of the SEC?

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:32 PM (g4lFK

Does that mean we will finally be rid of that dreaded Nick Saban?
Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:39 PM (48QDY)

and Missouri.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:40 PM (g4lFK)

510 For those that are interested and can bear the agony, Carter Page is going to be on Laura Ingraham's show.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:40 PM (/tuJf)

511 Bitcoin is a victim of its own speculative success. It's lost more than half its value in a week, proving its too volatile to act as an ersatz currency, even for money launderers.

For all you know daily prices are set by one Winkelovii twins trading to the other, then switching roles the next day,

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:40 PM (pV/54)

512 bitcoin is legit but it's overpriced, especially considering there's too many people holding a majority of the coin. I mean, it's legit for what it is, eh, a currency. but there are now better ones out there. and everyone is mining the next big one.

People bought at 18000, that's sad tho.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:41 PM (V3U1L)

513 Ace, I think that Hannity or his people are reading you.
He just asked Rep. Nunes about your possibility that the info came originally from the Clinton people to Steele, and Nunes artfully dodged it - "wait for the investigation" - but noticably did NOT deny it. WOW!!!
You are on FIRE today! Thanks!

Posted by: Just wondering at February 05, 2018 09:41 PM (WBYpW)

514 >>>What if Steele is really just a cut-out?



I've thought this all along.



When you're constantly told how 'respected' he is yet he produced a
mercenary pile of cow flop, you've got to suspect he was just there to
legitimize the fiction written by the campaign.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 05, 2018 09:32 PM (oVJmc)<<<

The louder they talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.

Posted by: zombie Ralph Waldo Emmerson at February 05, 2018 09:41 PM (gBv3T)

515 Man, XOMs down, energy's down, they keep going down I'm going to buy some more.

Posted by: gNewt at February 05, 2018 09:41 PM (U8pol)

516 Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:37 PM (pV/54)



What no Russians?
Posted by: TheQuietMan

the list of things that made hillary lose is long and distinguished. literally, there's a running list.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:41 PM (V3U1L)

517 499: Whoa, so now HRC is throwing her loyal "Russian Collusion" stooges under the bus and saying it was just plain old sexism. The other shoe must really be about to fall on *Russia!* team at FBI/DOJ/FISC

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 05, 2018 09:41 PM (eASYU)

518 The FBI and CIA and State have been infiltrated by the Left long ago. They tried their hardest to covertly discredit everything Bush did in order to get a Dem elected again. They succeeded and thought they just had to coast in 2016.

Trump was unexpected.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:41 PM (2DOZq)

519 Earlier today: "Hillary Clinton said her loss to Donald Trump was a combination of misogyny caused by globalization anxiety and old-fashioned sexism and a refusal to accept the equality of women."


...but mostly Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: t-bird at February 05, 2018 09:42 PM (7Cr6v)

520 Treehouse: "If Carter Page was working as an UCE {FBI undercover employee), responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013 -and remained a UCE-throughout the court case UP TO May of 2016, how is it possible that on October 21st 2016 Carter Page is put under a FISA Title 1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?

Conclusion: He wasn't. The DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division flat-out LIED.

[Asst. NatSec AG] John P Carlin who, together with the FBI counterintelligence unit, hired Carter Page as an FBI Under-Cover Employee, turns around and six months later accuses Page of being a Russian Spy--because the DOJ-NSD and FBI CoIntel needed to find a legal way to spy on the Trump campaign. The 2016 FISA Title 1 surveillance of former FBI employee Carter Page became that legal way. ["The Insurance Policy"]".......

The FBI sent their employee to volunteer for the Trump Campaign, then called him a spy to justify wiretapping the Trumps.

Police State tactics.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 05, 2018 09:42 PM (Ndje9)

521 Earlier today: "Hillary Clinton said her loss to Donald Trump was a combination of misogyny caused by globalization anxiety and old-fashioned sexism and a refusal to accept the equality of women."

The wild thing is that I believe she's crazy enough to believe it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:37 PM (pV/54)


Oh, she believes it alright. And now her followers will voice this clap-trap.

Never forget how the "vast right wing conspiracy" started. That was one of her gems too...after her hubby got caught.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:42 PM (ohNf0)

522 Something Rep. Nunes, who has been truly heroic, just told Hannity is so obviously true it is easily overlooked: the DOJ and FBI stonewalled Congress to the point of contempt because they knew full well the enormity of their crimes.

Can a democracy put the totalitarian genie back into the bottle once the taint has been this widespread? The likely answer makes me sad. But Hillary Clinton lost, so redemption is at least possible.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 09:43 PM (lc+vu)

523 Hannity is crushing it vis a vis the Memo

Posted by: The Blind Man at February 05, 2018 09:43 PM (FTPVM)

524 For all you know daily prices are set by one Winkelovii twins trading to the other, then switching roles the next day,

Posted by: Ignoramus


Hey, I resemble that.

Posted by: Bernie Winkelovii at February 05, 2018 09:43 PM (U8pol)

525 Carter Page is the smoking gun... Proves the CIA/FBI knew and were behind the entire thing... He was a PLANT the whole time and the FBI FLAT-OUT LIED to the FISA court about his status...

Posted by: I smell something rotten.... at February 05, 2018 09:44 PM (iWzUm)

526 512 bitcoin is legit but it's overpriced, especially considering there's too many people holding a majority of the coin. I mean, it's legit for what it is, eh, a currency. but there are now better ones out there. and everyone is mining the next big one.

People bought at 18000, that's sad tho.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:41 PM (V3U1L)

There are close to 600 coins and tokens with a total market cap of 303 billion.

It's the wild wild west in a sea of red right now.

https://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all/

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:44 PM (g4lFK)

527 Look, there are legitimate reasons to doubt the concept of a cryptocurrency, but arguing that they are Ponzi schemes is not one of them. There is no relation between bitcoin, specifically, and a Ponzi scheme.

As to the current drop, it isn't the biggest in bitcoin's short history. Bitcoin dropped 90% during its first major run-up and it has pretty regularly had huge drops since.

Now, I'm not saying that bitcoin is a buy or that it is a great crypto - I don't believe it is - but the idea of a crypto currency is real and legitimate and, most importantly, needed. It will form the basis of the most trustworthy fiat currency you could have - which is saying a mouthful since pretty much every currency on the planet is fiat, right now, and since even gold, itself, is a fiat money.

I have disagreed with bitcoin's (and other cryptos') highly inflated valuations for some time but they do have real value. They have value as potential money, and money is one of the most important assets in the world (and has been for a very, very long time).

Bitcoin suffers from many problems in its potential use as money. SOme of them have been solved by other cryptos. Some are still open issues. But this is the mere infancy of cryptos and such are expected ... especially seeing that we have had money for a long time and there are still open issues with all the forms of it that we have, now.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 09:44 PM (8gDQu)

528 *Raises Hand*

I admit it.

Please add me to the list of reasons why Hillary lost.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:44 PM (ohNf0)

529 Levin on Hannity

Posted by: redridinghood at February 05, 2018 09:44 PM (PvFoN)

530 that order that sparked the BTC panic was just some guy selling about 20,000 coins. Ethereum had a similar thing 2017 where some guy who was in it in the beginning sold a ton and crashed the market.

20,000 coins isn't really that much. the winklevii should be smart enough to know that the coins are "worth" $19000 if they sell their 10,00,000 or whatever they own.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:45 PM (V3U1L)

531 Police State tactics.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 05, 2018 09:42 PM (Ndje9)

See 497.

Chicago tactics.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:45 PM (48QDY)

532 >>>"Just a few rogue agents"? Is that really the argument being made here, like the IRS and Cincinnati?

Pretty much the exact opposite. And there is no argument.

It was an operation run by the top people at both the FBI and the DOG. This is a fact.

And the other people involved weren't in Cincinnati or another field office, they were also in DC. People like Brennan and Clapper and Lynch and Holder and Obama.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:45 PM (/tuJf)

533 People stated telling others on financial radio shows a few weeks ago to risk 5%.... But be careful.

Down like 60% since then. 43% the last 7 days.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:46 PM (g4lFK)

534 I understand what you mean by fiat currency, but take a look at any dollar bill. It'll say legal tender for all debts public and private. So I can pay my real estate taxes with dollars and the locals have to take it.

Now try to pay them in bitcoin.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:47 PM (pV/54)

535 It was a two-pronged op... Create a fake dossier penned by Clinton's hatchet-men and pass through multiple layers of cut-outs to gain credibility... Then infiltrate Trump's campaign with a CIA/FBI plant that they can then claim is really a spy, and along with the dossier, justify the Title I warrant. That's it in a nut-shell...

Posted by: I smell something rotten.... at February 05, 2018 09:47 PM (iWzUm)

536 They all need to hang...

Posted by: I smell something rotten.... at February 05, 2018 09:47 PM (iWzUm)

537 Seems like all of them including our Own Private Fed Bank Wants Zero Oversight and Transparancy.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:39 PM (g4lFK)

Huh?

The SEC and FINRA are huge impediments to transparency. They insist on a ridiculously complex regulatory structure that is opaque to all but a few very savvy investors.

The investment banks spend billions of dollars every year just trying to keep up with their regulations.

It's insane.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2018 09:47 PM (wYseH)

538 Blumenthal and Shearer are second level cut outs for Lucifer.

Posted by: Obama waving from Martha's Vineyard at February 05, 2018 09:48 PM (bDsPW)

539 the DOJ and FBI stonewalled Congress to the point of contempt because they knew full well the enormity of their crimes.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 09:43 PM (lc+vu)

Still haven't seen anybody in that "Congressional" jail.

Posted by: golfman at February 05, 2018 09:48 PM (48QDY)

540 Sounds like even Mark Levin is starting to get it.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:48 PM (/tuJf)

541 And, of course, Lucifer reports to Hillary.

Posted by: Obama waving from Martha's Vineyard at February 05, 2018 09:48 PM (bDsPW)

542 470 >>Nobody in the FBI knew what was going on, but everyone at Ace of Spades HQ did.


Actually none did until recently. And I don't think Congress would have taken us all that seriously if we had shown up and said we had a really bad feeling that something was up with the Hillary investigation.

There's one little thing that whistleblowers need and that's called evidence. Got any?

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So you argument is that there are no whistleblowers because nobody knew anything. Yet somehow this cabal was able to work across multiple agencies across the government and also included private companies and actors for months without somehow being discovered by somebody who might think what he found was hinky and needed to be exposed?

Frankly it suggests a level of information control (from known leakers and blabbers) that I'm not willing to concede.



Posted by: MAGA at February 05, 2018 09:48 PM (LnOh3)

543 Cryptocurrency is the Scientology of money.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:48 PM (2DOZq)

544 What I really like about Stockton, CA is that I can collect $500 per month for free and give it away to a mugger as soon as I get it.

That's fairness.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at February 05, 2018 09:49 PM (56GKt)

545 Still haven't seen anybody in that "Congressional" jail.
Posted by: golfman

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sad but true. only republicans go to jail.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:49 PM (V3U1L)

546 I was going to be in the Sekrit Society but the meetings were on League Night.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Resting Comfortably at February 05, 2018 09:49 PM (vRV3Q)

547 Earlier today: "Hillary Clinton said her loss to Donald Trump was a combination of misogyny caused by globalization anxiety and old-fashioned sexism and a refusal to accept the equality of women."

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Heh. I just couldn't figure it out.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 05, 2018 09:50 PM (9SkN+)

548 when you start up your own crypto coin and promise to pay investors of it with that coin after it opens on the exchange knowing you would tank it after luring people in is the very definition of fraud and a Ponzi scheme. Robbing Peters to pay Paul.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:50 PM (g4lFK)

549 Earlier today: "Hillary Clinton said her loss to Donald Trump was a combination of misogyny caused by globalization anxiety and old-fashioned sexism and a refusal to accept the equality of women."

So- word salad. She lost because of word salad.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 09:51 PM (2iZKp)

550 548 when you start up your own crypto coin and promise to pay investors of it with that coin after it opens on the exchange knowing you would tank it after luring people in is the very definition of fraud and a Ponzi scheme. Robbing Peters to pay Paul.

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That's not a Ponzi scheme.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 05, 2018 09:51 PM (9SkN+)

551 534: Try to pay them in gold.

Posted by: RokShox at February 05, 2018 09:51 PM (yehh7)

552 when you start up your own crypto coin and promise to pay investors of it with that coin after it opens on the exchange knowing you would tank it after luring people in is the very definition of fraud and a Ponzi scheme. Robbing Peters to pay Paul.
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you pay people coins in exchange for mining the algorithm thingy that makes the basis for the coins in the first place.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:52 PM (V3U1L)

553 551 534: Try to pay them in gold.
Posted by: RokShox at February 05, 2018 09:51 PM (yehh7)

You could pay them with a double eagle but they would only accept the face value.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 09:53 PM (2DOZq)

554 "When your campaign platform is robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 05, 2018 09:53 PM (9SkN+)

555 So- word salad. She lost because of word salad.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 09:51 PM (2iZKp)


lol
I was thinking that may be hard to say for her supporters too. Russia was a lot easier.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 05, 2018 09:53 PM (ohNf0)

556 Will probably be willioed by the ont....
It is worth noticing that Tubbs stated the $1.2 million grant is to test the program. After that, the city will use the data to decide whether this program is the "solution" to helping low-income families. However, as we noted above, implementing this program on a full-scale basis, when it is no longer a test run on a sample of a fraction of Stockton's population, is likely to cost the city more than $9 million a month. And the bill for that will go to the taxpayers.

$9mil estimate, double that, at least in reality.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 09:53 PM (wdmm9)

557
The SEC and FINRA are huge impediments to transparency. They insist on a ridiculously complex regulatory structure that is opaque to all but a few very savvy investors.

The investment banks spend billions of dollars every year just trying to keep up with their regulations.

It's insane.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2018 09:47 PM (wYseH

I agree it is insane. I'm asking how we could not make it insane because there are bad people in bad companies and institutions that would steal trillions from 99.9% of us if they could.

another look at bartering face to face?

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:53 PM (g4lFK)

558 508 The NSA KNEW ... many knew, many were directly involved in the plot. A FEW were the main instigators, but MANY knew, many were involved, those are the ones deciding now whether to run for cover pretending ignorance, or double down on helping the coup. The coup guys ... not looking so good.

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35,000 Sgt. Schultz's around there.

Posted by: MAGA at February 05, 2018 09:54 PM (LnOh3)

559 Nellie Ohr's ham radio application.

^^
How come nobody ever talks about that detail? Was it a real thing, or just internet bullshit?

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 05, 2018 09:54 PM (NUtAO)

560 "539 the DOJ and FBI stonewalled Congress to the point of contempt because they knew full well the enormity of their crimes.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 09:43 PM (lc+vu)

Still haven't seen anybody in that "Congressional" jail."

Stonewalled items were coughed up finally, though. FBI/DOJ thought "Congressional jail" was at least possible. Watching Nunes today, he at least appears like someone who would have slammed the cell door shut.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 09:54 PM (lc+vu)

561 So how is the Stockton thing any different than welfare- other than being even less accountable?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 09:55 PM (2iZKp)

562 And, of course, Lucifer reports to Hillary.

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If he screws up, he gets the whip.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Robot, You Jane at February 05, 2018 09:55 PM (+y/Ru)

563 I agree it is insane.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:53 PM (g4lFK)

It's insane in large part BECAUSE of the SEC and FINRA.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2018 09:55 PM (wYseH)

564 "Frankly it suggests a level of information control (from known leakers and blabbers) that I'm not willing to concede. "

I think it actually proves that this was a small cabal, who may not have all known each other. That it worked over many agencies is proof that there were just a few puppeteers. Podesta? ValJar?

e.g., someone got Fusion to pay Ohr's wife. Someone told McCauliffe to donate to McCabe's wife.

In another example, someone had to arrange for Lerner to get moved from FERC to the right division at IRS.

It also required that the heads of these agencies go along, but they were all Obama appointees,

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:55 PM (pV/54)

565 499 Earlier today: "Hillary Clinton said her loss to Donald Trump was a combination of misogyny caused by globalization anxiety and old-fashioned sexism and a refusal to accept the equality of women."

The wild thing is that I believe she's crazy enough to believe it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:37 PM (pV/54)


Believing in America as a sovereign nation is ipso facto proof of racism and sexism.

Therefore America as founded is inherently illegitimate.

That is what is taught in our schools today. And we are forced to pay for it.

Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2018 09:56 PM (sdi6R)

566 Same thing I told Robby Benson.... you can shove it up yours all the way with a red hot poker!

Posted by: Henry Steele, One On One at February 05, 2018 09:56 PM (i+i6X)

567 Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:47 PM (pV/54)

Sure. Government issued currencies have built in demand - specifically that the government forces people to use that currency to pay taxes and to be accepted as money. And that isn't unreasonable. The government could hardly let people pay taxes in chickens or any currency they see fit.

But there is room for money that knows no national borders. Gold is one sort (though gold's major problem - one of its only problems - is that it is difficult to transport and very difficult to transport across national borders). At present, the US dollar has served the function of the international reserve and trade currency ... but we have destroyed the dollar.

Cryptos are superior to paper money in most ways - not least of which by their very close control on the supply. They are inferior in a few ways and inferior to gold almost all ways, except that cryptos allow for transnational transfer without any problem or unusual cost.

Bitcoin suffers from lots of problems with its blockchain, partly because it's too open and partly because it's too expensive to maintain and must be constantly active in order to retain its integrity. But, right now, that is the price to be paid for an trustworthy, autonomous currency. It's a steep price but it's answering a deep need.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 09:56 PM (8gDQu)

568 "the idea of a crypto currency is real and legitimate and, most importantly, needed. It will form the basis of the most trustworthy fiat currency you could have - which is saying a mouthful since pretty much every currency on the planet is fiat, right now, and since even gold, itself, is a fiat money.

I have disagreed with bitcoin's (and other cryptos') highly inflated valuations for some time but they do have real value. They have value as potential money, and money is one of the most important assets in the world (and has been for a very, very long time). Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 09:56 PM (bT8Z4)

569 >>So you argument is that there are no whistleblowers because nobody knew anything. Yet somehow this cabal was able to work across multiple agencies across the government and also included private companies and actors for months without somehow being discovered by somebody who might think what he found was hinky and needed to be exposed?

>>Frankly it suggests a level of information control (from known leakers and blabbers) that I'm not willing to concede.

It's way past being an argument. It's what happened and it's becoming more and more obvious by the minute.

But your also leaving out the not insignificant piece that media has been involved in this up to their ass. That is what Fusion GPS does, the create narratives that their government allies pay them for and help support while at the same time burying any opposition and they had most of DC media in their pocket.

There is a huge difference in government employees between bureaucrats and political appointees and those that cling to them like remoras. The top levels of all these agencies are political people and that's where this conspiracy took place. Whether it was F&F or the IRS or any of the others and now this, it was all done by political people at the tops of all the agencies.

Yea, some others may have heard rumors or thought things were fishy as I have said. You trying being a whistleblower and quitting your job over a rumor. Not many do that in the private sector either.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 09:57 PM (/tuJf)

570 514---The louder they talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.
Posted by: zombie Ralph Waldo Emerson at February 05, 2018 09:41 PM (gBv3T)
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Hey! That's my line, you colonial whippersnapper!

Posted by: Samuel Johnson at February 05, 2018 09:57 PM (0jtPF)

571 darnit . how is gold a crypto currency?

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 09:57 PM (bT8Z4)

572 Stonewalled items were coughed up finally, though. FBI/DOJ thought "Congressional jail" was at least possible. Watching Nunes today, he at least appears like someone who would have slammed the cell door shut.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 09:54 PM (lc+vu)
>>>

Either PDT, Sessions, or both likely made it be known that Contempt of Congress by an Exec Branch employee would not be laughed-off as it was by Holder and his pet US District Attorney for DC.

Posted by: Gref at February 05, 2018 09:58 PM (AMIL/)

573 How useful is bitcoin when Trump the dicator shuts off the internet?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 09:58 PM (wdmm9)

574 552 when you start up your own crypto coin and promise to pay investors of it with that coin after it opens on the exchange knowing you would tank it after luring people in is the very definition of fraud and a Ponzi scheme. Robbing Peters to pay Paul.
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you pay people coins in exchange for mining the algorithm thingy that makes the basis for the coins in the first place.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:52 PM (V3U1L)

At the beginning you create them digitally, which cost money in technology and marketing. You promise to pay back in those coins once you can buy and sell your coin on the exchage. You draft some confusing rules nobody understands.

Coins get released. They go up in speculation bubble. Initial investors cash out for huge profits along with you.. The coins die faster than tulips in the desert.

It's about that simple. A freaking red pill coin scam was unveiled recently. Like the last 2 weeks before they got to exchange to trade.

It's bad.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:58 PM (g4lFK)

575 lol, I was going to sell my gpu last week. I had a line of people willing to pay over full price. oh well.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:59 PM (V3U1L)

576 563 I agree it is insane.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:53 PM (g4lFK)

It's insane in large part BECAUSE of the SEC and FINRA.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2018 09:55 PM (wYseH)

Hypothetically we get rid of all oversight and regulations, what do you think would happen?

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 10:00 PM (g4lFK)

577 569:

"That is what Fusion GPS does, the create narratives that their government allies pay them for and help support while at the same time burying any opposition and they had most of DC media in their pocket. "

Wasn't there some indication Fusion GPS financial records would reveal payments made to Beltway media? It's a safe assumption it happened but it would be nice to have tangible proof.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 10:00 PM (lc+vu)

578
Constitutional Crisis!

Posted by: Chicken Little (D) at February 05, 2018 10:01 PM (QxXRY)

579 ONT!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 05, 2018 10:01 PM (wdmm9)

580 *ONT is NOOD!*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at February 05, 2018 10:01 PM (Ckg4U)

581 575 lol, I was going to sell my gpu last week. I had a line of people willing to pay over full price. oh well.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 09:59 PM (V3U1L)

Can't win

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 10:01 PM (g4lFK)

582 gold is not a fiat currency, it is a commodity, and it is "money", real money. There is a limited supply of a tangible (desirable, usable, rare) commodity.

Gold can be mined at a cost, but who created Bitcoin out of thin air, and why would it maintain value? Gold has thousands of years of history and is a rare and usable/desirable thing.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 10:02 PM (bT8Z4)

583 >>Wasn't there some indication Fusion GPS financial records would reveal payments made to Beltway media? It's a safe assumption it happened but it would be nice to have tangible proof.

The House Intel Committee has their bank records. Hopefully they will be released to the public at some point soon.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2018 10:02 PM (/tuJf)

584 Lots of legitimate Ponzi schemes because of the loop hole of having a product.

A one legal Ponzi scheme with no product.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 05, 2018 10:03 PM (2DOZq)

585 571 darnit . how is gold a crypto currency?
Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 09:57 PM (bT8Z4)

Futures contracts traded which are so large that they never could fulfill their orders. They are used to suppress the price of gold and silver the last 16 years or more. I've only been paying attention that long.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 10:03 PM (g4lFK)

586 Hillary lost because Americans wanted Trump's pro-American vision, not the anti-American vision of Democrats or the America-indifferent vision of the Uni-Party.

However, the Clintons sealed their fate on the Tarmac. It was arrogant to think they could get away with it. But they knew better than anyone not to talk on the phone.

We thought at the time it was about fixing Hillary's case. But I now think that was a given. I think the Tarmac Meeting was more about wiretapping and framing Trump.

When they got caught, Lynch had to "recuse" knowing the case was already fixed. Comey had to step up and take the heat so as not to look completely in the bag. He was completely in the bag of course, but he didn't want to appear like it.

All of this bit Hillary in the ass.

It wasn't supposed to go down like this. Lynch was supposed to go to the Supreme Court. Comey to AG. McCabe to Director, etc.

But their arrogance did them in.

Two things to remember:

1. Hillary's exoneration, the Clinton Dossier, the criminal wiretapping, the Mueller Probe and Impeachment: They Are All One Seamless Thing.

2. It was done out of the Oval Office.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 05, 2018 10:03 PM (Ndje9)

587 ONT.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 05, 2018 10:03 PM (2iZKp)

588 darnit . how is gold a crypto currency?

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 09:57 PM (bT8Z4)


I said that gold is a fiat currency.

Of course, you usually hear people talking about gold backing making a currency a non-fiat, which is true, but gold, itself, has no real value other than people really like it and people have been using it as money since the beginning of time, almost. Gold's main value is that people use it as money. That's it. That's why gold is, itself, a fiat money.

Of course, one of the great advantages of gold over other fiat currencies is that it can't be created (not practically) so its supply is very stable. That's also the reason why currencies backed by gold are thought to be non-fiat. They aren't, really, but since they are backed by gold their supply is limited to the available gold, which adds a huge amount of integrity to the currency.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 05, 2018 10:04 PM (8gDQu)

589 gold is like a crypto currency. Spain decided that all the gold they found in Americas made them rich...only golly...the value of gold in spain dropped.

Must've been interesting for visitors.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 10:04 PM (V3U1L)

590 583:

If documented direct payments were made to the likes of Scarborough and Tapper, among others, and it becomes public, I will freely ejaculate.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 10:04 PM (lc+vu)

591 hilary barely lost. Of course, that was back when trump was not only worse than hitler but dumber than benny hill. 2020 is going to be harder for the donks

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 05, 2018 10:05 PM (V3U1L)

592 Tyler Durden unironiclly had the best idea about the markets and institutions.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 10:05 PM (g4lFK)

593 however, they could not take a stand, and should not be expected to take a stand, despite the oaths they had taken to uphold the law and so on, because they needed their jobs, had mortgages, and were concerned with protecting their pensions. you know, they were concerned with that wrongdoing they were witnessing or complicit in within reason.
----

You are full of shit,

Nobody said that. Nobody,

Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February 05, 2018 10:05 PM (4dvb/)

594
I agree it is insane. I'm asking how we could
not make it insane because there are bad people in bad companies and
institutions that would steal trillions from 99.9% of us if they could.



another look at bartering face to face?
Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:53 PM (g4lFK)


I do love that attitude. It is up there with the homeless statistics and child hunger statistics during a Republican administration.

How could we make it not insane that robbers would take everything from everyone with violence if they weren't restrained? Maybe we should have more laws against stealing?

And all those adulterers that lie about having extra-marital affairs, maybe we should make more laws against lying?

But if you agree that is stupid and pointless maybe we should ask if you are sure you are not buying into that wonderful socialist position that all those rich people got rich stealing from people like you and the way to make it equitable is that they give it back to you?

(99.9% is not really a useful amount by the way)

Posted by: Kindltot at February 05, 2018 10:06 PM (2K6fY)

595 @586:

It is plausible, certainly if you believe as I do these criminals thought a Trump win more likely than they indicated.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 10:07 PM (lc+vu)

596 I also lean towards Ace's theory, Steel being a cutout a frontman used as the tool for the scam. Wondering what the British court holds in his testimony. Did that occur where his statements may not reflect what he previously told the FBI?

Posted by: Blinkblinkwink at February 05, 2018 10:07 PM (7ZiDC)

597 She sold sea shells by the sea shore.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 10:07 PM (g4lFK)

598 When the End of Days come I'd rather be carrying gold, bullets, or even bricks of cocaine -- all of which can be money, than all the Winkelovii bitcoin

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 10:08 PM (pV/54)

599 Yet somehow this cabal was able to work across multiple agencies across the governmen

WHICH multiple agencies. Main Justice and FBI are under DOJ

1.
2.
3.


fill it in---

Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February 05, 2018 10:11 PM (4dvb/)

600 594
I agree it is insane. I'm asking how we could
not make it insane because there are bad people in bad companies and
institutions that would steal trillions from 99.9% of us if they could.



another look at bartering face to face?
Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 09:53 PM (g4lFK)

I do love that attitude. It is up there with the homeless statistics and child hunger statistics during a Republican administration.

How could we make it not insane that robbers would take everything from everyone with violence if they weren't restrained? Maybe we should have more laws against stealing?

And all those adulterers that lie about having extra-marital affairs, maybe we should make more laws against lying?

But if you agree that is stupid and pointless maybe we should ask if you are sure you are not buying into that wonderful socialist position that all those rich people got rich stealing from people like you and the way to make it equitable is that they give it back to you?

(99.9% is not really a useful amount by the way)
Posted by: Kindltot at February 05, 2018 10:06 PM (2K6fY)

You missed the point about a large private bank called the FED literally printing money out of thin air taking the power away from Congress to print and coin money, the days the dollar was stable and backed by Gold.

Can't have a free market when you have a large central bank doing all the planning and printing. The 600 pound elephant in the room.

Posted by: Jennifer Steele at February 05, 2018 10:11 PM (g4lFK)

601 These assholes success at pulling off the Trump wiretap was because they managed to keep it quiet, confined to a relatively small group-- and in DC.

Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February 05, 2018 10:12 PM (4dvb/)

602 485 What if Steele is really just a cut-out?

I've thought this all along.

When you're constantly told how 'respected' he is yet he produced a mercenary pile of cow flop, you've got to suspect he was just there to legitimize the fiction written by the campaign.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 05, 2018 09:32 PM (oVJmc)


An obvious scenario was to bounce the dossier off a foreign national - Steele in this case - as a way of scrubbing it clean of DNC/Hillary paws. The intelligence counterpart of money laundering.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 05, 2018 10:12 PM (jJMO3)

603 Mueller is corrupt or he would have not taken the SC position. His conflicts of interest are so manifest as to be prima-facie evidence of bad faith. Mueller needs to shut down his sham investigation now and abandon all charges he has brought against Manafort , Kelly and others.

Posted by: CM9000 at February 05, 2018 10:14 PM (6UYA5)

604
DOJ
FBI
State
IRS
Some judges

FFS, 17 agencies signed off on the "Russians hacked us"

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 10:14 PM (pV/54)

605 Hillary Clinton HATED THE LIVING FUCK out of law enforcement.

Just how many FBI agents do you think she bargained/met with?


Compartmentalization of information ALWAYS fucks over the last one to know.

Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February 05, 2018 10:14 PM (4dvb/)

606 ATF

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 10:14 PM (pV/54)

607 499 Earlier today: "Hillary Clinton said her loss to Donald Trump was a combination of misogyny caused by globalization anxiety and old-fashioned sexism and a refusal to accept the equality of women."

The wild thing is that I believe she's crazy enough to believe it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 09:37 PM (pV/54)


Same here. You got off easy.

Posted by: Elena Ceausceau at February 05, 2018 10:15 PM (jJMO3)

608 Commerce (census)
Labor (unemployment figures)
Treasury

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2018 10:15 PM (pV/54)

609
FFS, 17 agencies signed off on the "Russians hacked us"

"Evidence, please"? *




* FOX News liberal guest dipshits statements are not "evidence".

Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February 05, 2018 10:16 PM (4dvb/)

610 Nellie One no shit has a ham radio license. You can look it up on the FCC ham radio license search page. I posted her license in here the other night.

Posted by: BifBewalksi BOT at February 05, 2018 10:18 PM (8ZeGS)

611 Commerce (census)
Labor (unemployment figures)
Treasury

-- wank wank wank

Yes Obama fucked over the country. What does that have to do with THIS case?

Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February 05, 2018 10:18 PM (4dvb/)

612 610 OHR. Not one.

Posted by: BifBewalksi BOT at February 05, 2018 10:19 PM (8ZeGS)

613 "603 Mueller is corrupt or he would have not taken the SC position. His conflicts of interest are so manifest as to be prima-facie evidence of bad faith. Mueller needs to shut down his sham investigation now and abandon all charges he has brought against Manafort , Kelly and others."

There really was no way Mueller could have ethically accepted the position given the known conflicts. I initially wrote off Trump's complaint that Mueller sought to replace Comey as FBI Director until someone pointed out Rosenstein accompanied him to that interview and turned around and appointed Mueller as SC the next day. Yeah. That was on the up and up.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2018 10:19 PM (lc+vu)

614 There really was no way Mueller could have ethically accepted the position given the known conflicts. I initially wrote off Trump's complaint that Mueller sought to replace Comey as FBI Director until someone pointed out Rosenstein accompanied him to that interview and turned around and appointed Mueller as SC the next day
..


Now THAT is evidence. Circumstantial but really good shit.

Let's walk down and fuck em all.

Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February 05, 2018 10:21 PM (4dvb/)

615 "Futures contracts traded which are so large that they never could fulfill their orders. They are used to suppress the price of gold and silver the last 16 years or more. I've only been paying attention that long. Posted by: Jennifer Steele

I hear that a lot, but the people in the trade say it is BS (Fleckenstein)

I could pretend I've been "paying attention that long", but I don't really try to track down details. I just read people that seem to be right a lot, and their arguments make sense to me. I have paid attention for 20 years ... but where did the gold go? There is gold ... is it really all a lie? idk

I have a little mining stock, a little, metal, my main commodity is my farm that produces some soybeans/corn every year. But Bitcoin will never feed anyone ... it is nothing, gold is something.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 10:26 PM (bT8Z4)

616 hey, let's make a currency for trade, and let's make it so us banksters can print the money out of nothing, and take real things from people that labor to produce real valuable things, or to buy their property.

Aren't we a bunch of clever fluckers?

No ... you are people that must be destroyed.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 05, 2018 10:30 PM (bT8Z4)

617 however, they could not take a stand, and should not be expected to take a stand, despite the oaths they had taken to uphold the law and so on, because they needed their jobs, had mortgages, and were concerned with protecting their pensions. you know, they were concerned with that wrongdoing they were witnessing or complicit in within reason.
----

You are full of shit,

Nobody said that. Nobody,
Posted by: Really , really low-functioning alcoholic at February




oh yes they did. so find a horse and make a sandwich.

Posted by: --- .-. /-. --- - at February 05, 2018 10:46 PM (MTjB1)

618 Q: How many of the 17 Agencies examined the DNC server?

A: Zero.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 05, 2018 10:52 PM (Ndje9)

619 How did Michael Cohen's name end up in the dossier?
Someone had to look up his travel history to put in there.

Posted by: MikeN at February 05, 2018 11:45 PM (o/eHL)

620 RYE-ga, NY

Putzes

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 06, 2018 12:08 AM (9SkN+)

621 17 agencies signed off? Ha Ha Ha Media be lyin along with all the other haughty concubines. Yeah, gotta remove lunatic phrase they/meaning- that we might just catch on. We, We....sounds like they placed a handicapped blind folded batter up to their home base, hoping for a home run, free and clear.

Posted by: Womannocry at February 06, 2018 02:41 AM (7ZiDC)

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