Judge Dismisses Charges Against Clive Bundy and His Sons With Prejudice, Citing "Outrageous" Prosecutorial Conduct

A sharp rebuke to how government agents were operating under Obama, and still are.

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, his two sons and a militia member will not face a retrial on charges that they led an armed rebellion against federal agents in 2014.

A federal judge Monday said the federal prosecutors' conduct was "outrageous" and "violated due process rights" of the defendants.

U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro said a new trial would not be sufficient to address the problems in the case and would provide the prosecution with an unfair advantage going forward. She dismissed the charges against the four men "with prejudice," meaning they cannot face trial again.

As the courtroom doors opened after Navarro's ruling, a huge cheer went up from the crowd of spectators gathered outside.

Gabe was writing about this on Twitter. If I followed his claims correctly, Bundy and his sons had offered a defense that they had only armed up because they feared the government was surveilling them and had snipers posted around them. The evidence the prosecutors deliberately withheld from them was that, indeed, the government had been surveilling them and had snipers posted around them.


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1 The one conviction the govt got was a guy from NH who plead guilty a few months ago. Mostly on gun transportation violations IIANM.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (jxbfJ)

2 nd

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (jxbfJ)

3 Juan Williams has added a widow's peak with his latest dye job

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (4u7kU)

4 I don't care if they had snipers. Bundy was still in the wrong.

**dons asbestos suit**

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (LAe3v)

5 Bundy and his sons had offered a defense that they had only armed up because they feared the government was surveilling them and had snipers posted around them.

++++

We did that for their own safety.

Posted by: Government Snipers at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (FUu/Z)

6 Bundy flutes are awesome. But sterling silver ones are better.

Posted by: Jean Pierre Rampal at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (/qEW2)

7
Feral Government.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (mbhDw)

8 Where do they go to get their reputations back?

Posted by: Ray Donovan at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (7A6l6)

9 OT from a few threads ago: Should the WWE have Stedman rassle The Mooch? We'll call it "Battle of the Beards"

Posted by: The Gimp at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (LVrfb)

10 Right r wrong the government withheld evidence.

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (LiyEm)

11 Bundy flutes ftw!

Posted by: James Galloway at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (/qEW2)

12 3 Juan Williams has added a widow's peak with his latest dye job
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (4u7kU)


You sure it's not the residue from an unwiped cloaca from 500 feet?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (mbhDw)

13 We were only going to shoot their dogs...
Government Sniper

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (LiyEm)

14 >>Right r wrong the government withheld evidence.


Which, more and more, is starting to look like 'Holding' violations in the NFL.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (dxyQV)

15 Do they get their court costs back? Damages?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (QQ+il)

16 14 96% of cases never go to trial....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (LiyEm)

17
Juan Williams has added a widow's peak with his latest dye job

Eddie Munster of the Blacula universe.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (IqV8l)

18 What is really amazing is the same Judge, was TOTALLY on the side of the prosecution early in the case.

Kept dismissing the Bundy's defenses left and right... to the point where they probably had grounds for appeal anyway...

Then.... 180.... because the same defenses were the ones she had ruled against.... time... and again...

Made the Judge look stupid.

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (NgKpN)

19 14 >>Right r wrong the government withheld evidence.


Which, more and more, is starting to look like 'Holding' violations in the NFL.
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (dxyQV)


In this case "Holder" Violations.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (mbhDw)

20 Isn't this the guy where some other guy was stopped by the FBI, stepped out and yelled at the feds and was promptly shot to death.
Yeah there was a video of it. The two women in side the truck were trying to find cover as the feds peppered the truck with rounds over the period of a few minutes it seemed.

Posted by: Drider at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (HdKKm)

21 In addition to Mueller's shennanigans, recall that several DOJ judges were caught lying to a Federal district court judge in a key DACA case.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (cAXIk)

22

Who was that girl nanny we used to fight about?

Ace was really in her corner for her innoncence.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (rTCJ6)

23 Even paranoids have enemies. And these guys KNEW they were being watched and they KNEW their were snipers. They'd been shooting their cattle.

And the BLM super for the area had a hard on for the Bundy's.

Too bad all the death and money spent. New rules should be set forth that any AG bringing charges that are flawed will take cut in pay commensurate with degree of failure.

Prosecutors need to have skin in the game. Judges too.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (2R0TF)

24 I'm sure the managers didn't listen to the snipers telling them there was no way they could hide from someone who works that particular patch of land for more then a day. City folks, military guys passing thru, etc. - sure; but the peasant who grew up on in and feeds himself from that dirt - no way.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (yM/Yl)

25 The government won a half a loaf in these various cases, since the court finding the Bundy's still owe their lease payments (something around $1 million bucks I believe I heard). Lord only knows how much the Bundy's had to spend on their defense, and the time they unjustly spent in jail in connection with this now dismissed case.

Posted by: High Priest Al Gore at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (ylUqT)

26 20 Isn't this the guy where some other guy was stopped by the FBI, stepped out and yelled at the feds and was promptly shot to death.
Yeah there was a video of it. The two women in side the truck were trying to find cover as the feds peppered the truck with rounds over the period of a few minutes it seemed.
Posted by: Drider at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (HdKKm)

Nope.. that was Levoy Finicum,

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (NgKpN)

27 "Willfully withheld evidence"

That's a jailin'.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (0ogQG)

28 This was outrageous behavior by the Obama corrupt DOJ and the judge knew it. This was a deserved ruling. The entire episode was a swindle perpetrated by the DOI.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (mpXpK)

29 Put them back in jail! Turn those machines back on! - Hawaiian Judge

Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (gbWkA)

30
That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)

31

In Italy....

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)

32 21
In addition to Mueller's shennanigans, recall that several DOJ judges
were caught lying to a Federal district court judge in a key DACA case.


Posted by: Ignoramus


If your point is that DOJ has been completely politicized, I agree. I can think of few things more toxic to a Republic.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (LAe3v)

33 4 I don't care if they had snipers. Bundy was still in the wrong.

**dons asbestos suit**
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (LAe3v)


In your defense, not matter what's going on, you do not arm up and threaten LE or other agents. We admonish, and rightly so, the Gentle Giants et al for not saying "yes, officer" and shutting up instead of punching their lights out and going for their weapon.
Same applies in this instance.

Now, that said, the depredations and the persecutions of the Federal government are a legitimate issue.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (mbhDw)

34 30 Exceot she didn't,they know who did the killing....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (LiyEm)

35 >>That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?


Fran Drescher

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (dxyQV)

36 You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (QLvwG)

37 >>That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?


Mr. Belvedere?

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (dxyQV)

38
In this case "Holder" Violations.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (mbhDw)


Holder? Holder? Never heard of the guy. Must be some right wing conspiracy crazy talk.

Posted by: The MFM at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (EzdLW)

39 30
That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)


Yeah, what's her face. Amanda Knox.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (mbhDw)

40 29
Put them back in jail! Turn those machines back on! - Hawaiian Judge



Never gets old.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (LAe3v)

41 How many years to you get for Malicious Prosecution?

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (yM/Yl)

42 37 >>That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?


Mr. Belvedere?
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (dxyQV)


aka Roger Debris!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (mbhDw)

43 Italian justice sytem is fucking bonkers....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (LiyEm)

44 Barry's attorneys?

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (aC6Sd)

45 Amanda Knox

Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (N3JsI)

46 41 How many years to you get for Malicious Prosecution?
Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (yM/Yl)


You mean years extra in retirement bonuses?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (mbhDw)

47 Due process rights?

Posted by: Libs at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (vDqXW)

48 The BLM is one agency that could be shut down tomorrow and the coastal elites probably wouldn't care, because they have no idea what it does.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (ylUqT)

49 Where does Bundy go to get his life back?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (5y11N)

50 Juan Williams has added a widow's peak with his latest dye job

Eddie Munster of the Blacula universe.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (IqV8l)

Guess he didn't want is noggin to look like a butt cheek in buttless pantyhose

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (4u7kU)

51 43 Italian justice sytem is fucking bonkers....
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (LiyEm)


But the pasta. C'mon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)

52 Now, that said, the depredations and the persecutions of the Federal government are a legitimate issue.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton


Clearly, but the fact that you've "made improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to treat it as your own.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)

53 Gabe was writing about this on Twitter. If I followed his claims correctly, Bundy and his sons had offered a defense that they had only armed up because they feared the government was surveilling them and had snipers posted around them. The evidence the prosecutors deliberately withheld from them was that, indeed, the government had been surveilling them and had snipers posted around them.


Part of the charges were that the Bundys engaged in fraud by calling for support for claims that the Feds were surveiling them and had snipers around them. I don't remember if this is an exact quote but the prosecutors called that impossible and a fantasy. Oh and the one BLM internal review document the defense requested was referred to by prosecutors as a shiny object that doesn't exist.

As I keep screeching, there's no possible way this is the only time these prosecutors and agents have done this. None.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (dEQP3)

54 It's about damn time. Now to go after the real perps.

Posted by: freaked at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (KvWlw)

55 Whlie I think these guys are a bit excessive and cranks, their complaints are completely valid and I back them 100%. Extreme abuse of power, theft of lands, violation of commerce, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (39g3+)

56 I never believed Amanda Knox killed anyone

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (aC6Sd)

57 52 Now, that said, the depredations and the persecutions of the Federal government are a legitimate issue.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Clearly, but the fact that you've "made improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to treat it as your own.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)


Well, that too is another issue.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (mbhDw)

58 54
It's about damn time. Now to go after the real perps.

Posted by: freaked


Protip: check the golf courses.

Posted by: OJ at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (LAe3v)

59
That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)


Huma?

Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (EzdLW)

60 Found the Sniper!

Posted by: Clive Bundy at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (dxyQV)

61 That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)


Not Phoebe Figalilly?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:41 PM (mbhDw)

62 As I keep screeching, there's no possible way this is the only time these prosecutors and agents have done this. None.

I remember at least five cases in the last 10 years where the federal prosecutors withheld evidence in trials from the defense and the case got thrown out as a result. I wrote about several on my blog in the past.

Its not the only time. In fact, given how often this comes up, I suspect its standard procedure.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:41 PM (39g3+)

63 But the pasta. C'mon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)
And tiramisu. And Muscato.

Posted by: IC at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (a0IVu)

64 33 4 I don't care if they had snipers. Bundy was still in the wrong.

**dons asbestos suit**
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (LAe3v)


In your defense, not matter what's going on, you do not arm up and threaten LE or other agents. We admonish, and rightly so, the Gentle Giants et al for not saying "yes, officer" and shutting up instead of punching their lights out and going for their weapon.
Same applies in this instance.

Now, that said, the depredations and the persecutions of the Federal government are a legitimate issue.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (mbhDw)

Yes.... and those blasted Colonials at Breed's Hill???

We were just there to confiscate their illegal ammunition supplies!

It was gun control... pure and simple...

Posted by: Generl Burgoyne at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (NgKpN)

65 Yes and the vast majority of cases never go to trial......

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (LiyEm)

66 It's incredible to think that the only person who seems to be holding back the wave of destruction and judgment on the US is.... Donald John Trump. Absolutely incredible.

Posted by: jmel at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (OeWgo)

67 62
Its not the only time. In fact, given how often this comes up, I suspect its standard procedure.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:41 PM (39g3+)


The Obama Reign of Error's SOP was "catch me if you can."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (mbhDw)

68 Clearly, but the fact that you've "made improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to treat it as your own.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)



Which has not one damn thing to do with the prosecution and the BLM agents and the FBI lying their asses off.

And you know that.

You know, at least when I thread jack, I do it about tits or which US President would win in a knife fight to the death with the other Presidents.

You know, important things.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (dEQP3)

69 15 Do they get their court costs back? Damages?



Where does LaVoy Finicum go to get his life back?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (hpmES)

70 Give the land back to the states. Fucking disband the BLM.

Assholes.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (89T5c)

71

Mr French?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (rTCJ6)

72 The gov't jackboots wanted another Waco.

Posted by: Insomniac - Meet the New Year, same as the old year at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (NWiLs)

73 Guess he didn't want is noggin to look like a butt cheek in buttless pantyhose

My mind is racing in confusion.

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (+lOpA)

74 >>But the pasta. C'mon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)
>>And tiramisu. And Muscato.


And Giada's Melons

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (dxyQV)

75 60 Found the Sniper!
Posted by: Clive Bundy at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (dxyQV)

lol! thread winner!

Posted by: Jewells45 at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (CNHr1)

76 63 But the pasta. C'mon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)
And tiramisu. And Muscato.
Posted by: IC at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (a0IVu)


e ragazzi bellissima!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (mbhDw)

77 How do processes get rights, but people are illegal?!

Posted by: Libs at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (vDqXW)

78 Sitting at former Gov. Brendan Byrne's funeral today I watched Corzine wander around the room glad-handing just like a normal person. And to think! Corzine stole more money (net of recoveries) than Bernard Madoff, who is in prison for the rest of his life. The difference is Corzine stole from farmers while Madoff stole from the rich.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybly5mvc

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (ylUqT)

79 Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (LiyEm)

because they get offered a deal and they've got no money or run out.

It's not the sentence, it's the process.

And that's unjust.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (2R0TF)

80 21 In addition to Mueller's shennanigans, recall that several DOJ judges were caught lying to a Federal district court judge in a key DACA case.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (cAXIk)
Never heard of this one. Any more info?

Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (kiSdp)

81 But the pasta. C'mon.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)
And tiramisu. And Muscato.


Posted by: IC at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (a0IVu)


And Sophia Loren!

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (QLvwG)

82 Andrew Jackson

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (+lOpA)

83 74
And Giada's Melons
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (dxyQV)


They are molto bravi!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (mbhDw)

84 And there is any wonder why people don't trust the feds. You simply can't.

Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (bwN1x)

85
That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?

Fran Drescher

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (dxyQV)


Tony Danza

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (lKyWE)

86
You know, at least when I thread jack, I do it about tits or which US President would win in a knife fight to the death with the other Presidents.

You know, important things.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (dEQP3)


Well go on. Don't leave us hanging.

Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (EzdLW)

87


Washington.

Posted by: freaked at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (KvWlw)

88 interesting aspect is that leo management can inflame the situation by briefing the low level guying making the arresr/securing the compound that the suspects are armed and considered very dangerious, wink wink, better shoot first.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (Eu5eZ)

89 Clearly, but the fact that you've "made improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to treat it as your own.

Using and improving up land is actually a basis for ownership, if uncontested for long enough. Especially federal lands, goes back a long time ago to homesteading.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (39g3+)

90 41 How many years to you get for Malicious Prosecution?

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (yM/Yl)

++++

They usually don't have to wait long; the promotion comes fairly quickly.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (pvjTE)

91 There are several episodes of Gunsmoke where the army threatens to put Dodge City under martial law for something and Marshal Dillon tells them there will be bloodshed if they do so.Now sure it is fiction but I think it is accurate thatAmericans didn't accept geing pushed around by their government or anybody else...

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (LiyEm)

92 Demon crats thats why....

Posted by: me at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (y+DyX)

93 Nice. Thank you Judge Navarro for having the integrity to give such a ruling. A good egg.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (/qEW2)

94 >>You know, at least when I thread jack, I do it about tits or which US President would win in a knife fight to the death with the other Presidents.


Taft.

He had big tits and there's no way you could hit his vitals by stabbing him with a knife.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (dxyQV)

95 91 There are several episodes of Gunsmoke where the army threatens to put Dodge City under martial law for something and Marshal Dillon tells them there will be bloodshed if they do so.Now sure it is fiction but I think it is accurate thatAmericans didn't accept geing pushed around by their government or anybody else...
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (LiyEm)


Too many expect a cuddle and a mug of cocoa....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM (mbhDw)

96 Amanda Knox - the Italian Prosecutor openly admitted that she didn't do the actual killing - some North African immigrant was convicted and sent to jail for that.

The Prosecutor claimed in court - yes, he absolutely, seriously claimed this in his court filings - that Amanda Knox had induced the North African to kill her roommate through Witchcraft, and then also claimed that she was so clever that she was able to do away with any actual evidence that she had done this.

THAT is why the Italian Supreme Court finally threw out all the charges against her - it was a trial right out of the 16th century Inquisition.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM (k1TUh)

97 Never gets old.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (LAe3v)

Give it a couple years

Posted by: Charles Gibson at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM (q177U)

98 94 >>You know, at least when I thread jack, I do it about tits or which US President would win in a knife fight to the death with the other Presidents.


Taft.

He had big tits and there's no way you could hit his vitals by stabbing him with a knife.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (dxyQV)


No "second look at Krispy Kreosote" for me, thank you.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (mbhDw)

99 69 15 Do they get their court costs back? Damages?



Where does LaVoy Finicum go to get his life back?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (hpmES)

Its also the Righteous, not just the innocent, who will return....

Posted by: God at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (NgKpN)

100 What I want to know is who would be the first to go down in a knife fight.

Posted by: freaked at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (KvWlw)

101 Well if the choice is between the Bundy's and the Deep State, you all know who I'm down with.

Posted by: Bill Kristoll at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (EzdLW)

102 79 Yep and who knows how many cases would fall apart like this one if it did go to trial,like AtC says,can't believe it is the first time,I believe it is endemic.And not only at thr federal level....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (LiyEm)

103 96 Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM (k1TUh)

When he said "witchcraft" I think he was referring to the Sinatra tune.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (mbhDw)

104
Which has not one damn thing to do with the prosecution and the BLM agents and the FBI lying their asses off.



And you know that.



You know, at least when I thread jack, I do it about tits or which
US President would win in a knife fight to the death with the other
Presidents.



You know, important things.


Which I acknowledged in my @52. I object to the implication that Bundy is some sort of virtuous angel picked on by a Satanic government. The latter may be true, but the former is not.

And the answer is clearly Jamie Lee Curtis and Abraham Lincoln.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (LAe3v)

105
btw, I watched Guy Ritchie's version of the legend of King Arthur.

It was pretty good.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (rTCJ6)

106 ... look like a butt cheek in buttless pantyhose
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM


Uhhh, ... um, are these the ones you, ah, can wear with chaps?

Asking for a fellow Moron.

Posted by: @JRandomMoron at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (ctuyM)

107 Another look at Ruby Ridge?

Posted by: davidt at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (FdNEK)

108 105
btw, I watched Guy Ritchie's version of the legend of King Arthur.

It was pretty good.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (rTCJ6)


Was Brick-Top in it?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (mbhDw)

109 Too bad all the death and money spent. New rules should be set forth that any AG bringing charges that are flawed will take cut in pay commensurate with degree of failure.

Prosecutors need to have skin in the game. Judges too.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (2R0TF)


it gets to a point where they are using their positions to frame people.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (Eu5eZ)

110 Yes Virginia, government is bad

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (BtQd4)

111 No, its not just at the federal level. I think state and city prosecutors try it as well, and get away with it a lot. Winning a case means everything to these guys, its their key to advancement. Losing hurts their chances at further political office. Hey, they're guilty anyway what difference does it make if I cheat a little? The end justifies the means, right?
We aren't playing by the Marquess of Queensbury rules here.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (39g3+)

112 33 4 I don't care if they had snipers. Bundy was still in the wrong.

**dons asbestos suit**
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (LAe3v)

I will volunteer to man a fire extinguisher. I have the same more to the story position on Ruby Ridge and Waco.

In the Bundy case though the trial proceedings were unacceptable and what the judge did was correct .

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (1me8P)

113 Itsa witchacrafta.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (89T5c)

114 Come on, he was an eyetalian prosecutor and Amanda had a nice rack.

Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (gbWkA)

115 95 91 There are several episodes of Gunsmoke where the army threatens to put Dodge City under martial law for something and Marshal Dillon tells them there will be bloodshed if they do so.Now sure it is fiction but I think it is accurate thatAmericans didn't accept geing pushed around by their government or anybody else...
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (LiyEm)


Too many expect a cuddle and a mug of cocoa....
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM (mbhDw)

One of the reason Gen. Grant was out of favor at the beginning of the Civil War, was that he had been forced to put down armed insurrection in Calif, just before the war... in San Francisco of all places (if memory serves)...

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (NgKpN)

116 Oh sure,lots of bad characters go to jail on made up evidence and bullshit lab work.Don't make it right....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (LiyEm)

117 Never heard of this one. Any more info?
Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (kiSdp)



Well, there's this:

http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/texas_order_20160519.pdf

(You know you're about to get bench slapped out the back wall of the courthouse when the judge starts out an opinion like that)


That opinion is remarkable both for how pissed Hanen was (rule number one: Never piss off the judge) and how he didn't pull any punches in saying so.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (dEQP3)

118
Was Brick-Top in it?

Who's that? That Vinny guy?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (rTCJ6)

119 I object to the implication that Bundy is some sort of virtuous angel picked on by a Satanic government.

I agree, Bundy isn't a saint, and I think he and his buddies are kinda crazy, one of those guys you know that collects all the knives and the camo gear. But they aren't wrong here, either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (39g3+)

120 113 Itsa witchacrafta.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (89T5c)

114 Come on, he was an eyetalian prosecutor and Amanda had a nice rack.
Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (gbWkA)


Ooh, some-a fun ghouls!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (mbhDw)

121 Proctor & Gamble just had a commercial on telling me I am not nice enough to gay teenagers.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (nILVB)

122 it gets to a point where they are using their positions to frame people.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (Eu5eZ)

Ha? I don't get it?

Posted by: NiFang at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (5y11N)

123 Prez knife fight winner. Easy. Obama.

Because any of the others going after him would be racist!!!! He'd win without so much as a scratch.

Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (EzdLW)

124 Make it rain, Horde!

Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (09tFn)

125 Another look at Ruby Ridge?
Posted by: davidt at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (FdNEK)

Why another look? He was acquitted.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (1me8P)

126 Too many expect a cuddle and a mug of cocoa....
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM


Well, and some talk about health insurance, too.

Posted by: Pajama Boy at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (ctuyM)

127 Barky McFuckstick was literally Hitler. Trump is a rule of law guy. Probably why the leftists hate Trump so much and loved Barky so much.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (3BFzK)

128 You know, at least when I thread jack, I do it about tits or which US President would win in a knife fight to the death with the other Presidents.
---
Knife - Jackson
Fisticuffs - T. Roosevelt
Rollerbrawl - F.D. Roosevelt
Greco-Roman wrestling - Van Buren

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (qJtVm)

129 Our major cities are overrun with feral gangs murdering each other but apparently our Federal Tactical units have to practice on ranchers. Must be nice working for Democrats.

Posted by: DaveA at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (FhXTo)

130 What I want to know is who would be the first to go down in a knife fight.

Both before and during!

Posted by: President Cock Curious at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (pXQWt)

131 i did a report on taft
and norway

Posted by: i just remembered at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (nBzBk)

132 118
Was Brick-Top in it?

Who's that? That Vinny guy?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (rTCJ6)


The bad guy who fed people to pigs. Glasses.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (mbhDw)

133 never ever talk to a cop
never ever talk to a fbi agent

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (BtQd4)

134 The BLM should be abolished. Yesterday.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (0OmEj)

135 94 Taft.

He had big tits and there's no way you could hit his vitals by stabbing him with a knife.


Depends on the knife.

Posted by: Crocodile Dundee at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (v3pYe)

136 70 Give the land back to the states.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (89T5c)

Noooooooooo!!!! When I go out there hunting, it will be all sold by the states to private owners who will lock out common guys like me. Kind of like how TX is now.

Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (kiSdp)

137 Newsmax pole on Trump, have a go

https://tinyurl.com/yblxgqq3

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (aC6Sd)

138 123 Andrew Jackson would use his skinny corpse as a meat shield.....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (LiyEm)

139 I like the version of the King Arthur legend when Merlin wears a Hawaiian shirt with shorts and sandals.

Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (gbWkA)

140 134 The BLM should be abolished. Yesterday.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (0OmEj)


With the other BLM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)

141 I love it. Reid and Obama got her appointed as a Federal judge. Probably because she is Hispanic. And now she let them down. Rock on.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (/qEW2)

142 The bad guy who fed people to pigs. Glasses.

Nemesis. The horrible c**t.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (39g3+)

143 Brick Top? By the Commodores?

She's mighty-mighty, she's lettin' it all hang out

Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (EzdLW)

144
The only land the BLM should be managing is their own. And that should be sold off as much as possible.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)

145 If i weren't so busy busting college kids who smoke weed, I might look into this.
- Jeff S.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 05:52 PM (dchQY)

146 Now yes, the Bundy's did indeed commit violations, BUT - the way our system works, we view that one transgression by an individual can never threaten our entire society, so it is not a great harm when someone skates. HOWEVER, when the Government becomes so corrupt that it blatantly ignores civil liberties and lies and cheats in an attempt to imprison its opponents, then YES, that CAN threaten our entire society. So that situation is always considered to be an order of magnitude worse than the crime of any one individual can ever be.

And, although it irritates people, our system has decided that it is too disruptive to actually charge government officials with violating the civil rights of defendants (although I rather think they should) Instead, the rule is, when the Government is found to be cheating, then the defendant goes free and all charges are tossed out. And the voters can decide if they want to live with the consequences of the dirty cops they've put on the job.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 05:52 PM (k1TUh)

147 Clearly, but the fact that you've "made improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to treat it as your own.

Using and improving up land is actually a basis for ownership, if uncontested for long enough. Especially federal lands, goes back a long time ago to homesteading.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (39g3+)

Yup... Common Law... was originally about who could use, and how, the Commons... the land used by everyone...

You know... Public Land...

The State came in and changed the rules... just because....

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:52 PM (NgKpN)

148 Know what has been pissing me off for a while? It's how every company seems hell bent to add a little social justice component to their advertising by featuring interracial couples or gays or lesbians. Not quite certain how that helps me evaluate the suitability of toothpaste or Qtips.

Posted by: Weasel at January 08, 2018 05:52 PM (Sfs6o)

149 Clearly, but the fact that you've "made
improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to
treat it as your own.


Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)
---------------------------------The issue of the lease payments is long since settled, and in a different case. This case is a different issue, and its about the BLM setting out to kill American citizens without trial and only being stopped because those Americans succeeded in publicizing their plight. Then the government failed to hand over the evidence that proved the defense case, despite knowing they needed to do so.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (ylUqT)

150 Amanda Knox wasn't a nanny. She was a college student working part time at a bar popular with college students.

She was innocent AF. What a messed up case. She not only lost several years of her life but those early 20s years are some of the BEST years.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (ul9CR)

151 Hey the government didn't set the building on fire and kill everyone inside!

That's gotta count for something...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (4ErVI)

152 Taft would be tough to put down, because of his bulk, but he'd bleed out and be too tired to be a threat pretty early on as well. You could basically ignore him as he died from a thousand cuts. Washington wins. Teddy Roosevelt, Washington, and Jackson are the last men standing, but Washington wins after Nixon tries to backstab him while lying playing dead for a long time, but the stab hits a flask and Washington turns and slits his throat for the win.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (39g3+)

153 FDR! FDR! FDR!

Posted by: Rollerbrawl crowd at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (89T5c)

154 151 Hey the government didn't set the building on fire and kill everyone inside!

That's gotta count for something...
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (4ErVI)


"Say, what?"

- - Wilson Good, Janet Reno

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (mbhDw)

155 144
The only land the BLM should be managing is their own. And that should be sold off as much as possible.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)

People in the East have no conception about just how much Land the BLM controls in the West....

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (NgKpN)

156 94 Taft.

He had big tits and there's no way you could hit his vitals by stabbing him with a knife.

Depends on the knife.
Posted by: Crocodile Dundee at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (v3pYe)

No shit!

Posted by: James Bowie at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (gbWkA)

157 The BLM should be abolished. Yesterday.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (0OmEj)


With the other BLM.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January




lock em in a warehouse and let em slug it out.

Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (GFAq1)

158 Pretty funny from Stephen Green

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/285416/

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (LiyEm)

159 Yeah every commercial seems to have inter racial couples now. Give it 2 years and it will be ibter racial tranny couples

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (GwV85)

160 Using and improving up land is actually a basis for ownership, if uncontested for long enough. Especially federal lands, goes back a long time ago to homesteading.

IIRC, a misplaced fence that goes uncontested for 7 years becomes legal. At least that's the way it was back home in Alabama.

Which, prolly not coincidentally, is the exact amount of time required to be common-law-married.

Unless she's your sister, then it's only 5 years since you've known her longer.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (tRaq7)

161 Watching "Miracle"

Because

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (5y11N)

162 106 ... look like a butt cheek in buttless pantyhose
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM

Uhhh, ... um, are these the ones you, ah, can wear with chaps?

Asking for a fellow Moron.

Posted by: @JRandomMoron at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (ctuyM)

They look better with a sequined mini dress, I've heard

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (4u7kU)

163 Teddy Roosevelt, Washington, and Jackson are the last men standing, but
Washington wins after Nixon tries to backstab him while lying playing
dead for a long time, but the stab hits a flask and Washington turns and
slits his throat for the win.


Please. Lincoln could hold an axe horizontally by the handle end, without the head shaking. Plus, tall and lanky. Small target, long reach.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (LAe3v)

164 80% of Nevada is government owned land.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (1me8P)

165 Andrew Johnson was a pretty tough dude, no?

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (+lOpA)

166 159 Most usually black guy with white women,which drives black women nuts....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (LiyEm)

167 So Seattle soda tax increases pricing 75%
But wait there is more...No tax on diet soda
ut wait there is more...No tax on sugary drinks made by hand (Starsucks)

so city government sent out tweet explaining that is not how is was to work. Wholesalers and companies were supposed to eat taxes.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (BtQd4)

168 Watched a commercial today with a grandpa and had two white grandchildren and a black one. It is everywhere AND you will be made to care.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (3BFzK)

169 Post 145

He did:

https://tinyurl.com/ybtgq9ln

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (8+Ozj)

170 HOWEVER, when the Government becomes so corrupt that it blatantly ignores civil liberties and lies and cheats in an attempt to imprison its opponents, then YES, that CAN threaten our entire society. So that situation is always considered to be an order of magnitude worse than the crime of any one individual can ever be.

Correct, this is why the "Hillary cannot be prosecuted" argument is so pernicious, The more powerful and important a person you are, the more damage you to do the whole of society when you do wrong, and the more you must be punished, even if for something that a lesser known individual, someone without power, might get away with.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (39g3+)

171 159 Most usually black guy with white women,which drives black women nuts....
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (LiyEm)

Actually I have observed just the opposite recently.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (1me8P)

172 Unless she's your sister, then it's only 5 years since you've known her longer.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January




unless you are a woman in little mogadishu running for office who commits bigamy by marrying her brother to help him immigrate.

Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (GFAq1)

173 160 Using and improving up land is actually a basis for ownership, if uncontested for long enough. Especially federal lands, goes back a long time ago to homesteading.

IIRC, a misplaced fence that goes uncontested for 7 years becomes legal. At least that's the way it was back home in Alabama.

Which, prolly not coincidentally, is the exact amount of time required to be common-law-married.

Unless she's your sister, then it's only 5 years since you've known her longer.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (tRaq7)

There's a principle in common law called adverse possession where if you take "open and notorious" uncontested occupation of land for seven years it becomes yours (paraphrasing from memory of Real Property class). I suspect it's been modified by statute though.

Posted by: Insomniac - Meet the New Year, same as the old year at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (NWiLs)

174 8 Where do they go to get their reputations back?
______________________

Where do they go to get back the hundreds of thousands of dollars they've probably had to spend on lawyer fees to defend themselves against these charges?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (fqUgw)

175 Seattle is trying to out-stupid Chicago (Cooke County?).

Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (EzdLW)

176 >>If i weren't so busy busting college kids who smoke weed, I might look into this.
- Jeff S.

People on the right spent 8 years bitching about Obama using executive actions to subvert the powers of Congress and make laws with his pen and phone but now I am supposed to be angry when the Trump administration overturns those unlawful actions?

We have a process for making laws, it's called Congress. If you want legal weed, tell them.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

177 We used to have a BLM (land, not lives) guy here at AoS. I can't remember his nic. 3-4 years ago I remember mentioning here that I had just returned from hiking a rather obscure trail in Utah and a commenter on that very thread happened to be with the BLM and the trail I had hiked was part of his territory.

I was like, "damn, small world!"

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (ul9CR)

178 165 Andrew Johnson was a pretty tough dude, no?

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (+lOpA)

He was drunk a lot. So deadened by alcohol to the point where he wouldn't feel anything.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (4ErVI)

179 Lots of bloggers taliking about last nights award show, Oprah running for future President?

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (aC6Sd)

180 The new hotness is biracial interracial couples.....with kids that are 1/8 everything.

#diversity

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (ANVTd)

181 I won't buy a damn thing from a company that adopts SJW bullshit.

Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (bwN1x)

182 I hear they are adding Trump to Rushmore. He brought in his own contractors and it will be finished by September.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (BtQd4)

183 "I have only two regrets: I didn't shoot Henry Clay and I didn't hang John C. Calhoun."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (qJtVm)

184 Saw that uber leftist Costco is putting the cost of the soda and then a line item for the tax then the total.

I predict that the seattle soda tax will bring in a net negative $15 million in its first year.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (3BFzK)

185 Pre-game on now.

ROLL TIDE!!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (tRaq7)

186 Most usually black guy with white women,which drives black women nuts....
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (LiyEm)

Actually I have observed just the opposite recently.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January




well, black girl white guy is not the norm. most often it is black guy with fat white girl.

Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (GFAq1)

187 People in the East have no conception about just how much Land the BLM controls in the West....

Posted by: Don Q.


Irrelevant. You may not agree with how much they own, but it's still the public's land. Until the people demand, via their representatives, that the land be sold off, it's still our land.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (LAe3v)

188 I saw a Lexus commercial with just black people in it because that is not racism

Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (gbWkA)

189 I thought "Due Process" was invented by old white slave owners and Mr. Jim Crow.

At least that what Oprah be saying.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (EoRCO)

190 Oprah running for future President?
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (aC6Sd)

I doubt Oprah runs for anything except 7 layer cake

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (5y11N)

191 We have a process for making laws, it's called Congress. If you want legal weed, tell them.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

Yup.

Laws mostly suck. But unequal application of those laws sucks even more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (wYseH)

192 5) Posted by: Government Snipers at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (FUu/Z)

We shot the woman holding a fully loaded infant to save the infant...

//Your FBI HRT

Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (SzZnW)

193 Lincoln could hold an axe horizontally by the handle end, without the head shaking. Plus, tall and lanky. Small target, long reach.

Lincoln would do well, but had no military experience or training. He loses to the guys that did and proved their toughness and/or luck in real life combat and danger. Lincoln was strong and tough but Roosevelt, Washington, and Jackson were killers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (39g3+)

194 186 PAWG.

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (LiyEm)

195 Reagan's velociraptor wins it for him.

Posted by: junior at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (lC2Lz)

196 133 never ever talk to a cop
never ever talk to a fbi agent
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (BtQd4)

My Dallas BIL, prominent defense attorney, has always told me to never talk to anyone except him, no exceptions.

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (4u7kU)

197 191 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (wYseH)

Quite, I also find it charming that on THIS topic and this one alone well and arguably Amigo Grande! Mexifornia is SUDDENLY in love with the 10th amendment.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (SzZnW)

198 If more than 4% of Lexus owners are black Id be shocked. LEXUS is white and Asian exclusively.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (wwp2b)

199 Andrew Johnson was a pretty tough dude, no?

Do you mean Andrew Jackson?

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (LAe3v)

200 Running for President is Liz Warren's Cherokee name

Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (bwN1x)

201 Clearly, but the fact that you've "made
improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to
treat it as your own.


Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)


He actually had a 'land grant' for grazing that had been issued to his family hundreds of years ago and the State recognized it. The land was originally State land which the feds came in and just stole because they could. The feds behavior has been illegal and outrageous from the start of this event. But then that was typical of the corrupt Obamanites.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (mpXpK)

202 We have a process for making laws, it's called Congress. If you want legal weed, tell them.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

B Hussein passed only 1 or 2 laws. Any prog that like B Huessein is fukn idiot. Never helped you on dope or drugs.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (BtQd4)

203 Rich Zeoli 1210am was taliking about Seattle and CostCo, Seattle is increasing soda and Gatorade sold by %68

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (aC6Sd)

204 I hear they are adding Trump to Rushmore. He brought in his own contractors and it will be finished by September.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January




well yeah but he is not carving it into the mountain, he is having it cut out of a block of granite, placed atop the mountain, then covered in gold plate.

Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (GFAq1)

205 Amanda Knox is crazy and hot, but herpes. That's for life bro.

Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (09tFn)

206 Carrot top?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (IqV8l)

207 Do you mean Andrew Jackson?


Johnson. Thought he was a frontiersman.

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (+lOpA)

208 And yet Cadillac has whites in their Escalade ads even though pretty much every escalade is owned by blacks. Lol

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (ANVTd)

209 Yeah but the San Frans were armed with feather boas. So come on.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (4CCz5)

210 Holy crap. John Roberts must have either had some work done over the holidays or he got hit in the face with a shovel.

Not a good look.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (/tuJf)

211 Why does the bureau of land management have snipers?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (dnWSK)

212 196 133 never ever talk to a cop
never ever talk to a fbi agent
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (BtQd4)

My Dallas BIL, prominent defense attorney, has always told me to never talk to anyone except him, no exceptions.

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (4u7kU)

Give 'em your name and ID and shut the hell up.

It's as simple as that.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (4ErVI)

213 They should have occupied a state capitol building and assaulted lawmakers like the union thugs in Wisconsin, instead of occupying an empty building in a park off-season, which clearly makes you a "bigger threat" in the eyes of our Feds.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (toi7g)

214 Saw that uber leftist Costco is putting the cost of the soda and then a line item for the tax then the total.

I predict that the seattle soda tax will bring in a net negative $15 million in its first year.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (3BFzK)


I love that the stores are putting out line items showing the cost.

It'll be like Philly where the people who can will just go right over the county line to where there's no tax in order to bulk buy and then there will be shrieking about that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (dEQP3)

215 182 I hear they are adding Trump to Rushmore. He brought in his own contractors and it will be finished by September.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (BtQd4)

They now can remake North by northwest. Wonder which clowns they would cast ?

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (4u7kU)

216 Until the people demand, via their representatives, that the land be sold off, it's still our land.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (LAe3v)

And the jack-booted thugs of government get to shoot people who disagree with the application of grazing law?

Sorry, but "The People" are superior to "The Government."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (wYseH)

217 We have a process for making laws, it's called Congress. If you want legal weed, tell them.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

And the States have done, just that.

Now, it can be argued that the Precedent, for making an entire thing illegal in the US, was set by Prohibition... ie, a Constitutional Amendment.

Because Constitutionally... otherwise, it should be left to the States (via the 10th).

but I know... that is soooo last Millenium....

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (NgKpN)

218 in San Francisco of all places (if memory serves)...
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (NgKpN)


There. Shit.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (4CCz5)

219 184 Saw that uber leftist Costco is putting the cost of the soda and then a line item for the tax then the total.

I predict that the seattle soda tax will bring in a net negative $15 million in its first year.
_________________

As Philly found out, what happens is that soda purchases decline dramatically in the area where the tax is effective, while simultaneously increasing dramatically in neighboring areas, where the tax is not applied.

Unexpectedly!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (fqUgw)

220 hope oprah runs for pres, it will destroy her brand. she will probably have to go back to hosting a geraldoish show.

Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (GFAq1)

221 Amanda Knox is crazy and hot, but herpes. That's for life bro.

Whoopsie daises

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (+lOpA)

222 I think I'd go with Andrew Jackson.

Teddy Roosevelt for runner-up. Probably Washington in 3rd.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (ul9CR)

223
If more than 4% of Lexus owners are black Id be shocked. LEXUS is white and Asian exclusively.
Posted by: #neverskankles


That's not what my TV says.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (IqV8l)

224 193
Lincoln could hold an axe horizontally by the handle end, without the
head shaking. Plus, tall and lanky. Small target, long reach.



Lincoln would do well, but had no military experience or training.
He loses to the guys that did and proved their toughness and/or luck in
real life combat and danger. Lincoln was strong and tough but
Roosevelt, Washington, and Jackson were killers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


I heard that Washington had, like, 8 d***s. I can't verify it, of course.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (LAe3v)

225 In hindsight it was kinda surprising the Feds backed down in that confrontation.

Posted by: davidt at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (FdNEK)

226 Clearly, but the fact that you've "made
improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to
treat it as your own.


Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)


He actually had a 'land grant' for grazing that had been issued to his family hundreds of years ago and the State recognized it. The land was originally State land which the feds came in and just stole because they could. The feds behavior has been illegal and outrageous from the start of this event. But then that was typical of the corrupt Obamanites.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

Why wasn't the taking of the land grants an eminent domain claim?

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (yM/Yl)

227 The only person who was literally Hitler was.....Hitler, but there were and are other despots who have killed millions of people.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (8+Ozj)

228 215 All woman cast,it's the thing.

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (LiyEm)

229 Next you'll tell me my local post office has its own SWAT team. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (dnWSK)

230 Saw that uber leftist Costco is putting the cost of the soda and then a line item for the tax then the total.

Every store should do it. Such a stupid, stupid idea.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (39g3+)

231 "Lincoln was strong and tough but Roosevelt, Washington, and Jackson were killers."

Agreed, and Jackson actually LIKED killing people more than any of them. Teddy put on a good show but he was always a rich kid at heart. Jackson grew up poor, mean and nasty, and never changed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (k1TUh)

232 Saw a article once how almost every government agency has swat teams, even the dept of education

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (aC6Sd)

233 Heh. The lights just went off on me.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (1me8P)

234 Compare and contrast with Waco.

At Waco, the FBI and BATFE managed to incinerate 20 children and about 70 people in total.

In Nevada, no one died.

Posted by: rd at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (4dz1m)

235 BTW seen the ads for the latest ass kicking female movie,this time a black female called Proud Mary....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (LiyEm)

236 Forget adding Trump to Mt. Rushmore. Small potaoes. What we do is add Mt. Rushmore to Trump Tower. Move that rock! A yuuuuge project, and everybody will love it, believe me.

Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (EzdLW)

237 211 Why does the bureau of land management have snipers?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (dnWSK)

Those dangerous Ranchers. Duh.

Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (09tFn)

238 Oh and as an add on to the never talk to the cops beyond providing basic information/ID:

DON'T TALK TO THE MEDIA, LOSER!

That goes doubly for anyone who has even flirted with registering as a Republican or actually read an NRO article once in their youth.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (4ErVI)

239 Maybe Lincoln only had one dick, but it was a rail-splitter.
There's a reason Mary was so crabby.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (ul9CR)

240 222 Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (ul9CR)

Geo Washington was LITERALLY protected by God it seems...

if we are discussing having the guys at their physical peak I'd go with George....

their age in Office, Teddy Roosevelt....

limiting it to simple hand to hand or one melee weapon Jackson.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (SzZnW)

241 And the jack-booted thugs of government get to shoot people who disagree with the application of grazing law?

Sorry, but "The People" are superior to "The Government."


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


Again, I'm not saying that the government was correct in the shooting; I don't really know. What I'm saying is that "my family has grazed this land for a long time" doesn't mean it's yours.


Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (LAe3v)

242 I heard that Washington had, like, 8 d***s. I can't verify it, of course.

Yeah but he kept them in jars, they were other presidents he killed and kept them as trophies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (39g3+)

243 Why does the bureau of land management have snipers?

For the same reason the Dept of Education has a SWAT team?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (tRaq7)

244
Lincoln would do well, but had no military experience or training.


Lincoln served with the Illinois Militia during the Black Hawk War

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (lKyWE)

245 Sorry, but "The People" are superior to "The Government."

Heretic! Blasphemy!

Posted by: The GOPe and pearl clutching liberals everywhere at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (WQ3tJ)

246 >>And the States have done, just that.

Last I checked, federal law trumps state law on this issue.

Obama through Holder told his federal prosecutors not to pursue the law much as he did with illegals.

Lots of state have adopted sanctuary laws in defiance of federal law. Should we support that to or follow the law in this case?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (/tuJf)

247 Should have used the German Police, would have fired warning shots only.

Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (gbWkA)

248 Washington, Washington,
Six foot eight weighs a fucking ton:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (qJtVm)

249 But then that was typical of the corrupt Obamanites.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (mpXpK)

It started long before Obama became president.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (wYseH)

250 Silent but deadly - Calvin Coolidge

Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 06:07 PM (bwN1x)

251 230 Saw that uber leftist Costco is putting the cost of the soda and then a line item for the tax then the total.

Every store should do it. Such a stupid, stupid idea.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (39g3+)

-------

The state or local legislature will soon make that illegal.

Notice how the gas pump signs listing the state and Federal gasoline tax bite aren't there anymore?

Posted by: rd at January 08, 2018 06:07 PM (4dz1m)

252 For the same reason the Dept of Education has a SWAT team?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January




well, that makes sense, how else are they going to get the test scores up?

Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (GFAq1)

253 232 Saw a article once how almost every government agency has swat teams, even the dept of education
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (aC6Sd)


To enforce Common Core.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (4CCz5)

254 Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (1me8P)

I hope you are waiting to take your GRE's but currently in a bathroom stall.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (8+Ozj)

255 Calvin Coolidge, silent but deadly gas.

By the time you smelt it the death had been dealt.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (3BFzK)

256 Juan Williams has added a widow's peak with his latest dye job

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (4u7kU)
............

He finally took my advice and started using Toppik.

Posted by: Don Lemon with masking tape on his forehead at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (HgMAr)

257 "Why wasn't the taking of the land grants an eminent domain claim?"

Memory's rusty on this, but I think the Fed's did some hand waving and said the land grants were never valid, therefore they didn't have to acknowledge them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (k1TUh)

258 Getting involved in this debate is like fighting the Tar Baby... all I can say is the power of the State is a fearsome thing.

Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (pL6Vz)

259
She not only lost several years of her life but those early 20s years are some of the BEST years.


She'll get over it.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (rTCJ6)

260 I wonder which President had the biggest staff.

(What's so funny?)

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (ul9CR)

261 BTW seen the ads for the latest ass kicking female movie,this time a black female called Proud Mary....
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (LiyEm)



Pam Grier says hi.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (dEQP3)

262 The reason I go with Washington every time on the knife fight thing is that the rules are "at their prime" which means Washington as a frontier scout like freaking Hawkeye from Last of the Mohicans. He was huge, he was skilled, he was deadly, and he was most importantly lucky (or protecetd by God, as Sven suggests). Story after story from his scouting days comes out of times when he should have died and got away without a scratch. Ambushes, people shooting at him, over and over.

Deadly, lucky, physically mighty, skilled. He wins, in the end.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (39g3+)

263 241 Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (LAe3v)

Except "it does"...

The cattle at Ft Hood are protected and in the event of loss caused by training a family gets paid going back to the disposition of the land settlement for the base being created BECAUSE "it is ancestral grazing land predating America."

I have little issue granting more moral standing to near century plus long legacy use than I do the feds usurping control with a pen.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (SzZnW)

264 If we're talking presidential knife fights, and people who were glad to be in them, I've heard Obama is a gay blade. But maybe they mean something different.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (LAe3v)

265 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (8+Ozj)

What. Make that NOT waiting to take your GREs :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (8+Ozj)

266 UGA QB Jake Fromm's mom. You be the judge.

http://www.bouncyvideos.com/meet -jake-fromms-mom-lee-fromm/

Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (09tFn)

267 Again, I'm not saying that the government was correct in the shooting; I don't really know. What I'm saying is that "my family has grazed this land for a long time" doesn't mean it's yours.


Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (LAe3v)

Actually... as stated above, in common law, it did.

That changed, because environmentalists, and certain powerful Politicians, wanted them off the land for different reasons.

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (NgKpN)

268
Calvin Coolidge, silent but deadly gas.


It was a noble gas

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (lKyWE)

269 226 Why wasn't the taking of the land grants an eminent domain claim?

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (yM/Yl)

Thy didn't try any legal methods, they just came in and fenced it off and told the ranchers they would have to pay an outrageous fee for grazing on "their" recently stolen land. Most of the ranchers kowtowed and paid, Bundy and a couple of others refused.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (mpXpK)

270 261 Back than they did it in a more realistic way.....olus she was teh hawt....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (LiyEm)

271 Notice how the gas pump signs listing the state and Federal gasoline tax bite aren't there anymore?

I think that was an Obama-era job, as I recall. When they raised the gas tax.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (39g3+)

272 The Italians, in their inimitable way, have dealt with both the criminal justice and culinary issues in one.

https://tinyurl.com/noqbdjd

Posted by: Miklos, and his guilty pleasures at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (zCyNd)

273 SBD's? Y'all are in trouble!

Posted by: Taft in the octagon at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (89T5c)

274 off topic, but want to say: 2019-2020 Democratic nomination process: Hillary vs Oprah. I can hardly wait

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (ILitO)

275 260 I wonder which President had the biggest staff.

Well, I don't want to brag but they did call me Old Hickory.

Posted by: Zombie Andrew Jackson at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (ul9CR)

276 What. Make that NOT waiting to take your GREs :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (8+Ozj)


I was going to say, that's was really mean, Fenelon.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (dEQP3)

277 An aide to former British PM Cameron says Cameron thought Obama was one of the most narcissistic and self-absorbed people he'd ever met, and that Obama was constantly lecturing other world leaders in a patronizing manner, and clearly thought he was smarter and better than everybody else.

Of course, Cameron has now come out with an official statement denying the aide's comments, but the aide's comments sound like a pretty accurate assessment of Obama, so it's probably what Cameron really said about El Douche.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (fqUgw)

278 Somebody, anybody, explain to me why the Fed should own any land outside of military use land? The forest service and the BLM are government overreach as far as I am concerned. National parks are allowable imho.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (0OmEj)

279 257 "Why wasn't the taking of the land grants an eminent domain claim?"

Memory's rusty on this, but I think the Fed's did some hand waving and said the land grants were never valid, therefore they didn't have to acknowledge them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (k1TUh)

and thus not pay for them...

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (NgKpN)

280 244 Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (lKyWE)

He did and he was properly self-deprecating on what it taught him....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_in_the_Black_Hawk_War


Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (SzZnW)

281 Still more unmasking.

Posted by: nip at January 08, 2018 06:12 PM (ECLaL)

282 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (dEQP3)

But it was a funnier the first way! ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:12 PM (8+Ozj)

283 "All this talk of the government taking land and screwing over the people using it. Sounds kinda familiar, somehow."
--Native Americans

There was a case when I was a baby, my family lived in New Mexico. On the local Navajo reservation, they did a bunch of improvements, including building a dam at their own expense, and were working on roads etc.

The federal government came and took the improved land away because they'd found uranium there. No explanations just "hey, thanks for all your work."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:12 PM (39g3+)

284 That Fromm kid is really good looking,must be up to his scalp in poon.Bastard.

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (LiyEm)

285 If I remember the article blamed the after affect of 9/11 and how the government armed up each department wanting what others had.

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (aC6Sd)

286 Okay, I'm a moron... so why did the Feds even care about some people's cows eating grass on land they didn't even do anything with in the first place?

Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (pL6Vz)

287 The real issue with Russian collusion: It's no longer soviet collusion.

Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (vDqXW)

288 260 I wonder which President had the biggest staff.

Millard Filmore

Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (bwN1x)

289 The government shouldn't own shit,just hold it in trust for the people....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:14 PM (LiyEm)

290 Getting involved in this debate is like fighting the Tar Baby... all I can say is the power of the State is a fearsome thing.

Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (pL6Vz)

George Washington said it best:
"Government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at January 08, 2018 06:14 PM (T71PA)

291 285 Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (aC6Sd)

The Keystone Kommando effect started in the waning days of the Clinton admin....

essentially every agency in the era was pitching itself as a potential terror target post OKC and sold itself as a tactical unit post 9/11.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:14 PM (SzZnW)

292 Just couple weeks ago President Trump smacked down a land grab Jug Ears was going to take.

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (aC6Sd)

293 Heh. Filmore.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (89T5c)

294 286. A tortoise. (Bladerunner ref goes hereafter. )

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (fA1SL)

295 I've got a miniature version of the Bundy Standoff looming in my own personal future.

My mother still lives in what might be described a s a ramshackle cottage she's owned for decades. The "lot" on which it stands is unusual, in that it used to be part of a much larger lot that long ago was subdivided and had four separate cottages built on it. (This was back int he 1890s, I believe.) Then, sometime I think in the '30s the large lot was subdivided into two lots: one with the cottage later to become my mother's, and the other side with three cottages on it. The crazy part is that they all share the same single driveway and "backyard" and what is essentially a mini-parking area behind the houses.

But when my mother bought this cottage back in the '70s, she got the county to re-survey the lots to determine exactly where the dividing line was between her lot and the neighboring lot which now had three structures on it. The survey revealed, shockingly, that 90% of the driveway and 100% of the back yard and 80% of the parking lot were all on my mother's land, whereas the lot with the three cottages had basically just the land the buildings were standing on. Up until that point, the owners had assumed that the driveway, yard and parking were all equally divided between the lots.

Anyway, all this extra land makes my mother's property much more valuable than it otherwise would have been.

Anyway, fats forward several decades and a new owner bought the three-cottages lot, and then, causally one day, asked my mother permission to use the driveway and use two of her parking spaces and part of the yard. In return, he said, he would "keep an eye on things" for her and mow the lawn.

Well, she agreed to this, foolishly, and then the years passed, and by now this neighbor guy acts likes he freakin' owns the whole common area/driveway/yard.

For example, when a friend of my mother once went to plant something in the back yard, the neighbor shooed her away, saying the land was "his." And now my mother have in-home helpers, and won't let them use ANY of the parking spaces, even though they are ALL on my mom's land, except for part of one.

My mother is now too old and decrepit to argue with him.

So, a while ago, I approached him to renegotiate access to the parking spaces, since now we needed them, and he began acting like an asshole, and then I traced on the ground the exact boundary line (which I knew by heart), re-pointing-out that all this land is actually my mother's. His reply?

"Not any more it isn't. I have easement rights, and there's nothing you can do about it. Legally, once an easement precedent has been set and establish ed for this long, it becomes permanent. I have the right to sue this land, and you don't."

Well then.

I know from the very beginning that his "casual" request to use the driveway had long-term sinister and very consciously devised goals -- that is, to establish easement rights -- and way back then I warned my mother about this very thing. But she brushed me aside and verbally agreed with the guy anyway.

Now, eventually, we're going to have a big clash about this: When my mother eventually passes away and the family tries to sell the property, its value will be severely diminished if there is a "easement rider" to the deed stating that the neighbor has permanent rights to use all the land.

And I suspect that I'd actually lose in court, because I researched it and the neighbor is correct: once an "easement" has been in sue for a number of years without dispute, it becomes a permanent feature of the land.

Sigh.

Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (42M22)

296 Cook County Illinois, the corrupt Democrat Machine Hellhole tried a Soda Tax. It failed miserably and was repealed. Everyone that could was driving across the county line and buying EVERYTHING else at the same time.

Crooked County was not just losing out on the Soda Tax, but the county sales and gas taxes. If they went to Indiana, Illinois lost out on all those taxes too.

Posted by: rd at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (4dz1m)

297 No one's going for Eisenhower or Grant? Old Tippecanoe? Zachary Taylor? Those guys mixed it up something fierce as well.

Posted by: Vanceone at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (A9Gmy)

298 154: The Philadelphia air force bombed Osage avenue

Posted by: cn at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (5gaNQ)

299 re 286: something about cows and turtles not being able to live together.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (ILitO)

300 286 Okay, I'm a moron... so why did the Feds even care about some people's cows eating grass on land they didn't even do anything with in the first place?
________________

The ranchers were white people. With guns. And jobs.

So clearly they had to be put in their place.

Posted by: Barry Obama at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (fqUgw)

301 >>>What I'm saying is that "my family has grazed this land for a long time" doesn't mean it's yours.

we won

Posted by: the cattle at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (nBzBk)

302 Top 3 Worst in a Knife Fight

1. Buchanan, the Lindsay Graham of his day.
2. Franklin Pierce was a handsome, handsome man. But not a knife-fighter.
3. Taft. No reach with that gut.

Kennedy's bad back probably rates him a mention.

FDR you say? That bastard would cut a bitch from his wheelchair.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (ul9CR)

303 Uh oh. Fox is reporting that a grand jury is hearing witnesses in the Jane Sanders fraud case in Vermont.

Did I say uh oh? I meant weeeeeeeeeee

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (/tuJf)

304 279
257 "Why wasn't the taking of the land grants an eminent domain claim?"



Memory's rusty on this, but I think the Fed's did some hand waving
and said the land grants were never valid, therefore they didn't have to
acknowledge them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (k1TUh)



and thus not pay for them...

Posted by: Don Q.


So, the fact that they got to use, free of charge, land that they didn't own means they now own the land? Were the "improvements" made with Federal approbation? If not, sucks to be you.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (LAe3v)

305 In one exchange, FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok and bureau lawyer Lisa Page engaged in a series of texts shortly before Election Day 2016 suggesting they knew in advance about a Wall Street Journal article and would need to feign stumbling onto the story so it could be shared with colleagues.

"Article is out, but hidden behind paywall so can't read it," Page texted Strzok on Oct. 24, 2016.

"Wsj? Boy that was fast," Strzok texted back, using the initials of the famed financial newspaper. "Should I 'find' it and tell the team?"


... these clowns should be fired to gloss stupidity.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (e8kgV)

306 286 Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (pL6Vz)

BLM and DoI have been taken over by Goreons who think "nature" means "no commercial or motor recreational use ever"....

they want to live in a United States' Themed Theme Park inhabited and visited only by leftoid gentry.,

Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (SzZnW)

307 Opie will never run. She saw with Trump, ya gotta put alot of capital on the table to run for prezzy and even if you win, you lose. Trump's got bowling balls hanging from his crotch, all Opie's got is soccer balls hanging at her waist. For the less brave, better to bath in unknowing perception of qualitative popularity than put it to the quantitative test and find it's not true

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (4u7kU)

308 Okay, I'm a moron... so why did the Feds even care about some people's cows eating grass on land they didn't even do anything with in the first place?
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (pL6Vz)


Because of turtles. No, I'm not kidding.

Some of the evidence that wasn't turned over was that there was no proof the cows smushed the turtles (fine, yes, tortoises).

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (dEQP3)

309 I remember at least five cases in the last 10 years where the federal prosecutors withheld evidence in trials from the defense and the case got thrown out as a result. I wrote about several on my blog in the past.

Its not the only time. In fact, given how often this comes up, I suspect its standard procedure.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

if they don't fear losing their ability to earn a living, they are completely unregulated. other professionals don't do stuff like this. the bar is completely captured.

Posted by: Trump Knew His Father at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (nFwvY)

310 Obama's corruption ran so, so very deep. I hope too that Sessions revists the "sue and settle" scam, clawing back the attorneys fees and monies extorted by the DOJ from private industry. Billions of dollars used as a slush fund for lefty interest groups by the corrupt motherfuckers, I do hope Sessions has a team working on this. Probably not but the hope exists.

Posted by: oddnot's waiting for the Happening and Big Ugly at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (g1MTt)

311 >>>HOWEVER, when the Government becomes so corrupt that it blatantly
ignores civil liberties and lies and cheats in an attempt to imprison
its opponents, then YES, that CAN threaten our entire society. So that
situation is always considered to be an order of magnitude worse than
the crime of any one individual can ever be.



Correct, this is why the "Hillary cannot be prosecuted" argument is
so pernicious, The more powerful and important a person you are, the
more damage you to do the whole of society when you do wrong, and the
more you must be punished, even if for something that a lesser known individual, someone without power, might get away with.
.
.
.Uh hillary, et. al. can't be prosecuted because there isn't a Grand Jury anywhere in the DC are that would recommend charges and even if you could cobble up one that would do that, no Jury would ever find her guilty.

Big difference between "can't be prosecuted" and "she would never be found guilty even if we could get her to a Jury trial".

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (+Dllb)

312 292 Just couple weeks ago President Trump smacked down a land grab Jug Ears was going to take.

Yep, millions died.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:17 PM (ul9CR)

313 And I suspect that I'd actually lose in court, because I researched it and the neighbor is correct: once an "easement" has been in sue for a number of years without dispute, it becomes a permanent feature of the land.

Yeah, its basically a bastard way to steal land using someone's good nature. The fence thing is true a lot of places as well and its been used by people as well.

Ike and Grant were mostly staff, I don't see them doing really well in a personal fight. Zach Taylor, maybe but he was even worse a boozer than Grant.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:17 PM (39g3+)

314 The feds dont give a fuck about the land. They just wanted to show who is in charge.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:17 PM (yYN4b)

315 and won't let them use = and HE won't let them use

Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:17 PM (42M22)

316 Turtles, alex.... really??? That sounds like a made up thing some EPA drone came up with, at Panera's, on lunch break...

Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (pL6Vz)

317 The "Everything" flavor Ritz crackers are pretty tasty.

Posted by: Weasel at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (Sfs6o)

318 You think the Feds are going to let a rancher use and let his cows eat grass and not pay for it?

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (aC6Sd)

319 Obama did not put all of this corruption in place, but he sure did encourage it to flourish.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (m9Yt9)

320 313 Grant was decorated for bravery in the war with Mexico...

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (LiyEm)

321 302 Top 3 Worst in a Knife Fight

Girly match between Old Kinderhook and Wilson.

Posted by: Miklos, and rusty blade at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (zCyNd)

322 And I suspect that I'd actually lose in court, because I researched it and the neighbor is correct: once an "easement" has been in sue for a number of years without dispute, it becomes a permanent feature of the land.

Sigh.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (42M22)

But, you also have use of said easement... just park there, and if he bitches... say call the cops.

You allowed him use of the easement, that does not mean YOU cannot use it as well.

So, reclaim it...

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (NgKpN)

323 Eisenhower saw combat in WW1 iirc...

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (LiyEm)

324 FDR you say? That bastard would cut a bitch from his wheelchair.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (ul9CR)
---
Those charioteer's wheels with the twirling scythes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (qJtVm)

325 I still like a Ritz as it sitz, downed a whole pack when I got home

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (aC6Sd)

326 Somebody, anybody, explain to me why the Fed should own any land outside of military use land? The forest service and the BLM are government overreach as far as I am concerned. National parks are allowable imho.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (0OmEj)


It's right there in the enumerated powers - purchase land for forts, armories, magazines, the capital DC.

BLM manages Fort Arizona, New Mexico Weapons Depot, etc.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (Eu5eZ)

327 Many people have remarked about the size of Michelle's staff.

Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (vDqXW)

328 313
And I suspect that I'd actually lose in court, because I researched
it and the neighbor is correct: once an "easement" has been in sue for a
number of years without dispute, it becomes a permanent feature of the
land.



Yeah, its basically a bastard way to steal land using someone's good
nature. The fence thing is true a lot of places as well and its been
used by people as well.


When I bought my current house, my neighbor had planted a bunch of plants on my land and mowed well onto my propertyy. I told him not to mow my grass, and he told me he had a "gentlemen's agreement" with the previous owner because of the stupid lot layout his house had. I told him that when the neighbor bought my house back, he could renegotiate his agreement. No way was I letting that SOB claim eminent domain on my land.

Our relationship has been, shall we say, frosty.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (LAe3v)

329 Eisenhower saw combat in WW1 iirc...

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (LiyEm)

Nope. Ike never saw or commanded in combat.

Truman was an artillery captain in WWI.

Posted by: Miklos, IIRC at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (zCyNd)

330
Okay, I'm a moron... so why did the Feds even care about some people's cows eating grass on land they didn't even do anything with in the first place?
Posted by: kraken


And besides, it's more than ten miles away from D.C.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (IqV8l)

331 Worst in a knife fight... probably both Adamses would do badly since they were basically blue blood academic types. George W Bush would go down early, he was a flyboy in the military and even at his prime despite athletics was no fighter.

Carter would be cut down before he hurt anyone because he'd drop his knife and try to talk the fight out. Bill Clinton would sneak off and try to do Dolly Madison, and get one in the back from George Bush the elder, showing him a little something he learned in Quantico. Harrison would die before the fight started from pneumonia, while the rules were being read.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (39g3+)

332 good luck zombie. I wish I didn't know what estoppel is.

Posted by: Trump Knew His Father at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (nFwvY)

333 >>Because of turtles. No, I'm not kidding.

>>Some of the evidence that wasn't turned over was that there was no proof the cows smushed the turtles (fine, yes, tortoises).

Well that's one theory.

Another is that Harry Reid's son wanted the land for a huge solar project he was an investor in. The head of the BLM was Dirty Harry's former senior policy advisor and old Dingy sure did seem to take an active roll in the affair.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (/tuJf)

334 Cheney pops up from behind the desk and wastes them all.

"You don't fuck with me" said he.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (2R0TF)

335 Truman looked like a huge pussy.

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (+lOpA)

336 Staffs?

Do canes count?

Careful how you answer....

Posted by: Preston Brooks at January 08, 2018 06:23 PM (zCyNd)

337 Give Truman a 75 and he would win easy.....

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:23 PM (LiyEm)

338 Still more unmasking.

Posted by: nip at January 08, 2018 06:12 PM (ECLaL)
............

Gimme a minute. One more coat of Toppik...*phhfffft*... there.

Posted by: Don Lemon with masking tape on his forehead at January 08, 2018 06:23 PM (HgMAr)

339 FDR was a big time blue blood, he'd hold the knife the wrong way and get cut down by Jackson who would barely notice him. Wilson was no fighter but was devious, he'd probably convince someone like Carter to try to hit Lincoln from behind and get killed in retaliation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (39g3+)

340 Zombie - I'm not saying you need to just take care of the neighbors in question. I'm not saying anything like that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (fA1SL)

341 Our relationship has been, shall we say, frosty.

Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (LAe3v)

Do you and Rand Paul share a common neighbor?

Posted by: Foster Brooks at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (zCyNd)

342 Oh a knife fight?

Andrew Jackson. No doubt about it. There's a reason they called him Old Hickory. He was about as tough of a bastard as you could find. He was shot several times and survived. Like dueling.

Maybe Washington could give him a run, but I doubt it.

Jackson would also use Obama as a shield.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (4ErVI)

343 You get a promotion! and YOU get a promotion!

Posted by: navybrat, keeping a low profile at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (w7KSn)

344 Cheney pops up from behind the desk and wastes them all.

"You don't fuck with me" said he.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (2R0TF)

Yeah. Cheney, while in office, shot a guy.

Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at January 08, 2018 06:25 PM (T71PA)

345 I read an oral biography of Truman, I believe it was called Plain Speaking.

He was certainly a bitter, petty little man by the time he narrated it. Don't know if he was always like that but in his own words in that book he did not come off well. Never got over Ike beating him and stewed bitterly over it till the end.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:25 PM (ul9CR)

346 >>>>And I suspect that I'd actually lose in court, because I researched
it and the neighbor is correct: once an "easement" has been in sue for a
number of years without dispute, it becomes a permanent feature of the
land.



Yeah, its basically a bastard way to steal land using someone's good
nature. The fence thing is true a lot of places as well and its been
used by people as well.
.
.
.It doesn't even have to be a fence. At our old VFW in CT we used the empty field behind our building that was part of the Wonder Bread Thrift store property as an overflow parking lot for 25+ years. They had zero issues with it as we mowed it and kept it clean.

Never had an issue until Wonder Bread went tits up in bankruptcy and they wanted to sell the place and everyone assumed the extra parking lot was part of our property but the survey said differently. Hilarity and lawyers ensued.




Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 08, 2018 06:25 PM (+Dllb)

347 Oprah / Bundy

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:26 PM (5FqXt)

348 Liked dueling

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 06:26 PM (4ErVI)

349 You sure it's not the residue from an unwiped cloaca from 500 feet?


--

I'm not too ashamed to admit I didn't know what a cloaca was. The word 'unwiped' should've clued me in, but I never learn. Thanks for expanding my horizons, JJ!

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (mQ0Mc)

350
No art to find the sniper is a faux pas.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (r+sAi)

351 That debt we owe the China, they want sweet western land, not "I owe you trillions and I'll totes pay you back" written on paper.

Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (09tFn)

352 Eh, Lincoln wins in a walk. Slow to anger, but there are recorded instances when the neighborhood toughs started working on his friends, and Abe would go in and toss 'em out of the scrum like bags of flour. He wasn't called "The Railsplitter" for nothing. Firewood, fencing, he'd go for hours with an axe and lunch.

Posted by: mrp at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (Pqytn)

353 Ah, but FDR wouldn't use a conventional knife. I see him using some sneaky shit like an umbrella with a stiletto in the tip. Like something The Penguin would have. Or maybe a cane with a switchblade.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (ul9CR)

354 what was the sonobi glitch? was that what redirected to free ipads?

Posted by: Carl-hos Dang-yer at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (PCb3o)

355 Ralphie for President!

Cross him and he'll put your eye out with that thing!

Posted by: Red Ryder PAC at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (zCyNd)

356 Thanks for expanding my horizons, JJ!

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (mQ0Mc)

More like lowering.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (2R0TF)

357 But, you also have use of said easement... just park there, and if he bitches... say call the cops.

You allowed him use of the easement, that does not mean YOU cannot use it as well.

So, reclaim it...
Posted by: Don Q.


The problem is, the houses are in very close quarters, and I do not want to get into a dispute with this guy while my mother is still alive. He has, like, 17 family members living among the three buildings he owns, and he's the only one who speaks English, and there is a general sense of hostility. My mother has to live cheek-by-jowl with these people, and I don't want to cause her grief, as she's really old now.

I'll probably just leave the issue unresolved until my mother is no longer living there.

A solution that may happen is this: The guy DESPERATELY wants to buy my mother's cottage and re-unify the entire original lot, and created his own family mini-empire with all the land and all the buildings. I have no problem selling it to him AT FULL MARKET VALUE, that is. He thinks he's going to bully her to sell it to him under market value, but he's in for a sad surprise.

I will list it -- or threaten to list it -- at full price...and if he caves and pays what it's worth, fine, the land is his. But if not - which would mean me selling the land for a somewhat diminished price due to the easement issue - -then he'll have to continue his battle with the new owner.

The thing is, he blundered by revealing to me how desperately he wants my mom's property. I will take advantage of that and get him to pay for his dream to come tru.

Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (42M22)

358 Yeah, Washington and Jackson would come down to Washington's luck. Teddy Roosevelt was tough as hell but it was all willpower, he had terrible health as a kid and was scrawny. He'd last a while but wouldn't be there at the end.

And as I said, Nixon would play dead until the end and try to get a backstab for the win.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:29 PM (39g3+)

359
This seems like a good thread to include my rant about the RealID Act of 2005.

Before 2020 you will need proof of citizenship. You get this proof of citizenship from your local Country Clerk's office in the form of a new Birth Certificate that complies with the requirements set out in the RealID Act of 2005, assuming your county clerk can issue one, assuming your county still has the record of your birth, assuming those county records won't lost in a fire sometime before the Digital Era began, and assuming your County Clerk's Office transitioned to the Digital Era in a timely fashion.

Before 2020 you should visit your local post office and apply for a US Passport, and while you are doing that, also apply for the de facto National ID card known as a 'passport card'.

After 2020, when the RealID Act of 2005 takes full effect, you are going to need proof of citizenship to enter any federal building, including Veteran's Administration office buildings, apply for a state driver's license, or fly on a commercial airliner.

My US Citizenship has been called into question by my local state office that issues driver's licenses, and I'm not yet certain how I am going to be able to prove my citizenship to the satisfaction of state bureaucrats in that office.

It is a worry, a major worry, and I do not know how it is going to work out.

GET YOUR NATIONAL ID CARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. You are going to need it.

This is not a joke. You can google it.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 08, 2018 06:29 PM (GroCc)

360 https://www.geriwalton.com/french-dueling-codes-for-swords-pistols-and-sabers/

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:29 PM (aC6Sd)

361

Harry Truman - Drops a fat man
Harry Reid - Drops on a little boy

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 06:29 PM (IqV8l)

362 Nope. Ike never saw or commanded in combat.

He was a General. That doesn't count?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (8+Ozj)

363 Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (42M22)

Foreign invasion of American Soil!!!!!

/snark...

I'm in Calif., I understand...

Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (NgKpN)

364 357. Damn.....all those people/properties in such close proximity. I'm amazed a cooking accident or a carelessly discarded cigarette or something with the electrical system hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (fA1SL)

365 Nixon would win. He'd bring a gun to a knife fight.

Posted by: Malloy at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (FdNEK)

366 Google enployee who got fired for being white filed suit today.

Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (212Zi)

367 Video game idea - pick your President and weapon and fight another President

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)

368 I give Ike all the respect in the world, he was a terrific guy and a genius at what he did, but he wasn't a combat commander or soldier. Guys like him are necessary, especially to handle guys like Patton, but he wasn't a killer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (39g3+)

369 The thing is, he blundered by revealing to me how desperately he wants my mom's property. I will take advantage of that and get him to pay for his dream to come tru.

Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (42M22)

Let it slip that the local govt is looking for a place for a police substation....

Posted by: Milagro Marketing at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (zCyNd)

370 Google enployee who got fired for being white filed suit today.
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (212Zi)

Hope he wins big.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:32 PM (8+Ozj)

371 Obama would beat them all as all of his opponents would have one arm tied behind their backs and be blindfolded to make it "fair".

Affirmative action FTW!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2018 06:32 PM (EoRCO)

372 365 Nixon would win. He'd bring a gun to a knife fight.
Posted by: Malloy at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (FdNEK)

No... Operation Linbacker, 3.....

Posted by: President Nixon at January 08, 2018 06:33 PM (NgKpN)

373 365 Nixon would win. He'd bring a gun to a knife fight.
Posted by: Malloy

Obama too, but he'd shoot himself in the uterus trying to pull it out of his mom jeans.

Posted by: Trump Knew His Father at January 08, 2018 06:33 PM (nFwvY)

374 Here's a pretty decent writeup of the Harry Reid/Obama vs Cliven Bundy case. It will surprise you to know Democrat graft and weaponizing of the DOJ was indeed involved.

It really doesn't matter so much about what your feelings are about Bundy's claim to the land. The real issue here is what Obama did with the DOJ and the same DOJ was used against Trump.

https://tinyurl.com/yaezsu6t

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:33 PM (/tuJf)

375 This presidential knife-fight - the old way, yes? Tied to each other at the wrist?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (fA1SL)

376 Leftist twitter nuts claiming BLM and Forestry lost the case on purpose because Trump ordered them to (and the judge too).

Posted by: andycanuck at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (QCX64)

377 Our relationship has been, shall we say, frosty.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (LAe3v)

When I first moved in my house in the Berkshires, my neighbor, who lives down by the road, about 1500 ft away, came up with his brother to complain about my golden "stealing" shit off his porch. You know the type,keeps everything they own on their porch. His brother suggested that I should move back to TX. I made them a counteroffer of kicking both their asses,just to make it fair. We don't talk much anymore

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (4u7kU)

378 "one arm and blindfolded, against this moobed pajama boy? I won't even need a knife"
--Andrew Jackson

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (39g3+)

379 367 Video game idea - pick your President and weapon and fight another President
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)

Get your brackets set!

Posted by: josephistan at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (ANIFC)

380 368 I give Ike all the respect in the world, he was a terrific guy and a genius at what he did, but he wasn't a combat commander or soldier. Guys like him are necessary, especially to handle guys like Patton, but he wasn't a killer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (39g3+)

Now... if Patton HAD made it to President?

He'd give ole Hickory a run for the title...

Decorated for Bravery... Olympic Athlete (Modern Pentathalon... )

Posted by: President Nixon at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (NgKpN)

381 When I first moved in my house in the Berkshires, my neighbor, who lives down by the road, about 1500 ft away, came up with his brother to complain about my golden "stealing" shit off his porch. You know the type,keeps everything they own on their porch. His brother suggested that I should move back to TX. I made them a counteroffer of kicking both their asses,just to make it fair. We don't talk much anymore
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (4u7kU)



Wow... that went well

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (+lOpA)

382 Trump would kick every ass in question. You cannot watch The Gorilla Channel for 17 hours/day and not pick up some techniques.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (m9Yt9)

383 Google enployee who got fired for being white filed suit today.
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (212Zi)

Hope he wins big.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:32 PM (8+Ozj)

The interesting thing is that he is doing it as a class action, which is not how he could potentially get the most money personally.

Posted by: Miklos, in a class by himself at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (zCyNd)

384 Levin reporting on new texts between Stuck and Page and people in the media.

Posted by: CM9000 at January 08, 2018 06:36 PM (/JJ3i)

385 Though apparently Polk knew Jiu Jitsu.

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:36 PM (+lOpA)

386
put Reagan against ogirly boy in round 1 just to get it over with.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)

387 367 Video game idea - pick your President and weapon and fight another President
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)

Reagan/Katana vs any of you bitches

Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 06:37 PM (bwN1x)

388 Who would win among last years presidential contenders, aside from PDT.

Nobody on the Dem side. Hilz would collapse, Bernie's ancient and fragile and what's his name, O'Malley? would sing anti-knife folk songs.

PDT's a contender, despite his age he's got stamina and his balls have their own balls. Christie could probably handle a knife. Cruz, maybe. I bet Carly could surprise a few people.

Carson may have actually pulled knives as a youth but c'mon, the guy can barely keep his eyes open these days. Jeb!...uh, no. Pubio, no...Rand didn't do well in his last fight...Kasick, no...

I think I'd go Christie vs. Trump, Trump wins.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:37 PM (ul9CR)

389 In all of this President/fight stuff... no mention of Chester A. Arthur.....

Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:37 PM (pL6Vz)

390 Lincoln used to split black locust for fence rail. That stuff is hard as Hell. To be able to make fence after fence of that stuff indicates a very strong man. He would have to be right up there in any fight.

Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 06:38 PM (kiSdp)

391 Wow... that went well
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (+lOpA)

He doesn't come around to borrow shit or ask for help , a big plus

Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:38 PM (4u7kU)

392 nood???

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (0OmEj)

393
Leftist twitter nuts claiming BLM and Forestry lost the case on purpose because Trump ordered them to (and the judge too).


Good.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (rTCJ6)

394 379 367 Video game idea - pick your President and weapon and fight another President
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)

Get your brackets set!
Posted by: josephistan at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (ANIFC)

Mortal Kombat with Presidents. Or Injustice with Presidents and World Leaders.

Why have these games not been made!!!?!

Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (09tFn)

395
Leftist twitter nuts claiming BLM and Forestry lost the case on purpose because Trump ordered them to (and the judge too).


Because that's what they'd do.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (rTCJ6)

396 390 Lincoln used to split black locust for fence rail. That stuff is hard as Hell. To be able to make fence after fence of that stuff indicates a very strong man. He would have to be right up there in any fight.
Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 06:38 PM (kiSdp)

Yeah, I think Lincoln was pretty physically fit... he actually worked and all...

Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (pL6Vz)

397 Posted by: Miklos, in a class by himself at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (zCyNd)

I think that's better actually-that he does it as a class action.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:40 PM (8+Ozj)

398 This looks like more confirmation of the source of the leaks that were happening during the transition and the first months of the Trump admin.

Posted by: CM9000 at January 08, 2018 06:40 PM (/JJ3i)

399 389 In all of this President/fight stuff... no mention of Chester A. Arthur.....
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:37 PM (pL6Vz)

He had Chester A. Arthritis.

Posted by: josephistan at January 08, 2018 06:40 PM (ANIFC)

400 396 390 Lincoln used to split black locust for fence rail. That stuff is hard as Hell. To be able to make fence after fence of that stuff indicates a very strong man. He would have to be right up there in any fight.
Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 06:38 PM (kiSdp)

Yeah, I think Lincoln was pretty physically fit... he actually worked and all...
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (pL6Vz)

He is in the Wrestling Hall of Fame

Posted by: josephistan at January 08, 2018 06:41 PM (ANIFC)

401 NOOD - DILDONIC CHILDHOOD

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:41 PM (fA1SL)

402 Lincoln with battle axe

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:46 PM (aC6Sd)

403 >>>>After 2020, when the RealID Act of 2005 takes full effect, you are going
to need proof of citizenship to enter any federal building, including
Veteran's Administration office buildings, apply for a state driver's
license, or fly on a commercial airliner.



My US Citizenship has been called into question by my local state
office that issues driver's licenses, and I'm not yet certain how I am
going to be able to prove my citizenship to the satisfaction of state
bureaucrats in that office.



It is a worry, a major worry, and I do not know how it is going to work out.



GET YOUR NATIONAL ID CARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. You are going to need it.



This is not a joke. You can google it.
.
.
.While that may be the law it's not going to happen. There must be 25 separate buildings on the grounds of the small VA where we live, there is no way they can control those access points with manned stations, that simply is not going to happen.

Can't imagine what would happen at the VA in Dallas, that place is a maze of small and large buildings with dozens and dozens of access points with literally thousands of people coming and going 24/7.

It would take another TSA size effort just to support this law and as I said, not happening.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 08, 2018 06:55 PM (+Dllb)

404 People around here love to bitch ... just love to ... that the Clintons or Obamas or whatever the Strong Horse of the Left are today could do no wrong ... commit no sin ... and their supporters wouldn't care.

Well - I give you this thread.

No matter what the Police do, Federal, State, or Local ... no matter whom they kill ... there's a line of thought that "they got what's coming, because they didn't comply".

I've said it before, I'll say it again, as long as I'm around it'll be said ... If the Authorities say "Line up for the Gas Chambers" ... Republicans will form lines. And Bitch - because people like me fight back.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 08, 2018 06:58 PM (fiGNd)

405 #404 No shit, ScoggDog, especially if they have wet dreams about the Feds killing their neighbour who doesn't respect the property line.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 08, 2018 07:11 PM (QCX64)

406 ScoggDog, you remind me how disgusted I was with so many of my supposed friends and neighbors, who all thought they were "conservative", who saw nothing wrong with the Feds burning down the compound in Waco, since those people were kinda weird and who cared what happened to them.

I knew the instant I heard about it that it was Murder, and Janet Reno deserved to fry, as did every Fed Agent on that site.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 07:40 PM (V2Yro)

407 who saw nothing wrong with the Feds burning down the compound in Waco, since those people were kinda weird and who cared what happened to them.

According to the Gerry Spence book ... that was the crux of the Federal Case against Randy Weaver. He was weird. He got what he had coming.

I'm no more a Republican or a Conservative than I am a Brain Surgeon. I'd rather be called a Faggot ... which I ain't.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 08, 2018 07:46 PM (fiGNd)

408 re: prosecuting Bribe Me-Granny:

Even Brazil was able to prosecute their female president (and other South American countries as well).

Who is the real Third World country?

BTW, I understand this judge was not supportive of the defendants--the prosecutors must have been truly criminal for her to do this.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at January 08, 2018 09:28 PM (Ndje9)

409 I've read the Bundy stuff on and off. Think they're goofs. Tactics are stupid. That said . . .

1. Appears that Cliven represented himself in the original BLM/lease case. Its no wonder he lost, he argued immaterial stuff that no fed judge would ever accept. Think the guys that argue that the income tax amendment wasn't "properly" adopted kinda stuff. Equivalent of flying saucer arguments.

2. My recollection is that to enforce the judgment from the lease case, the feds brought in armed officers to take possession of Bundy's cattle, which they ultimately killed. There is an insider/whistle blower report out there on the web of how law enforcement behaved.

3. The Malheur occupation arose from another BLM case: the Hammonds. The government charged them with arson of a field and filed under a terrorism statute with mandatory minimums. The facts are hazy on how the fire started, some weird facts. The judge gave them the equivalent of time served. I think the middle aged son went to prison for a couple of years and then got out. Meanwhile the feds had appealed the sentence arguing that the judge couldn't reduce the minimum terrorism sentence. 9th Circuit sent the guy back. I think the elderly dad too.

4. Something left out of the recent coverage is the fact the feds are prosecuting a FBI agent who was on the hostage team in the Finnicum case. Every member of the FBI hostage/sniper said they had not fired at Finnicum. Well they all covered up that one had shot at Finnicum twice [one hitting the pickup] as he was exiting the vehicle before he made his "furtive move" and before the Oregon State Police finished him off. Conspiracy buffs latch onto the fact that the audio part of the video recording was never released. [Also knowing "feds" I do not know why they would let the mere OSP take the "kill" positions.] Some recent Oregonian articles state that the trial judge is trying to get the 6 firearm discharge reconstruction experts to agree to the "hot tub" method, whatever the hell that is.

5. I read a recent article from a weekly Malheur County newspaper. Apparently there is uranium on BLM property in that county. Guess what outfit had an interest in it [although the article says it was transferred to an LLC] Uranium One. Nothing I've read alleges the Hammond property having any proximity to uranium deposits. So ultimately it probably signifies nothing.

6. The Hammonds got royally screwed. No Bundy antics.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at January 08, 2018 09:57 PM (hKi6n)

410 He actually had a 'land grant' for grazing that had been issued to his family hundreds of years ago and the State recognized it. The land was originally State land which the feds came in and just stole because they could. The feds behavior has been illegal and outrageous from the start of this event. But then that was typical of obama

200 comments before the truth gets said! For shame. I love lots of you people but some of this shit is deadly serious and your shitposting.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 09, 2018 03:54 AM (CvNpE)

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