Sunday Overnight Open Thread (11/17/19)

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THE QUOTES OF THE DAY


Quote I

Humanity has unquestionably one really effective weapon—laughter. Power, money, persuasion, supplication, persecution—these can lift at a colossal humbug—push it a little—weaken it a little, century by century, but only laughter can blow it to rags and atoms at a blast. Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand. — Mark Twain


Quote II

As of September of this year, the Senate had been forced to invoke cloture on 236 Trump nominees — each of those representing its own massive consumption of legislative time meant only to delay an inevitable confirmation. How many times was cloture invoked on nominees during President Obama’s first term? 17 times. The Second President Bush’s first term? Four times. It is reasonable to wonder whether a future President will actually be able to form a functioning administration if his or her party does not hold the Senate. Attorney General William Barr


Quote III

“Respect is a cardinal value in our society. As public officials, we must be exemplary.”French Cultural Minister, Franck Riester


Quote IV

We all talk about Trump as an “existential threat” but his side sees Democratic control of government the exact same way. And when both sides believe the other guy taking over means the end of the world, yes, you can have a civil war. Trump rallies are filled with words like “enemies of the people,” “human scum.” They talk of people to be locked up. Well, you can’t lock all us up. Liberals are described as weak, lame, coddling, oversensitive, and limp-dicked.

Which are strong words for a bunch of mouth-breathers, shit kickers, knuckle draggers,bible thumpers, sister-fuckers and rubes Bill Maher

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Doesn't he have some bootleg booze to peddle? Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is an avid anti-vaxxer.

Just two organizations were responsible for the majority of anti-vaccine advertisements on Facebook before the social media giant restricted such content in March of this year, according to a November 13 study in the journal Vaccine.

As anti-vax movement gets weirder—and dumber—Facebook announces crackdown
Of 145 anti-vaccine Facebook advertisements that ran between May 31, 2017 and February 22, 2019, the World Mercury Project and a group called Stop Mandatory Vaccination together ran 54% of them.

The World Mercury Project, which ran the most ads of any single source, is an organization closely aligned with the anti-vaccine group Children's Health Defense. Both are spearheaded by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer turned prolific peddler of dangerous anti-vaccine misinformation. He and his organizations promote conspiracy theories about vaccine safety, including the roundly debunked claim that safe, life-saving immunizations are linked to autism. More recently, Kennedy has become a prominent opponent of laws aimed at increasing vaccination rates among school children.


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The NFL continues to be a laughing stock. Ungrateful bastard is given a break by the NFL.

It’s not often that the NFL holds a special workout for an unemployed player during Week 11 of the regular season.

But then again, former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick is not like most players, thanks to the massive media attention and controversy constantly swirling around him.

Kaepernick, who last threw a meaningful NFL pass on New Year’s Day 2017, was firmly back in the spotlight this week when news broke that he would be participating in a special workout in front of NFL personnel.

Rumor has it that Stevie Wonder is the NFL's pass interference replay official.

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Good work if you can get it. The Rev. Al hits one hell of a pay day.

Last year, Sharpton’s National Action Network — a non-profit linked to the Freddy’s Fashion Mart massacre and anti-Semitic Muslim Rep. Rashida Tlaib — paid him $1,046,948, according to tax filings reviewed by the New York Post.

“Sharpton got a $324,000 salary — 32% higher than his 2017 pay — in addition to a $159,596 bonus and $563,352 in ‘other compensation,'” the Post reported.

The nonprofit reportedly claimed the extra money was simply money it owed him as per the work he’d done for it between 2004 and 2017. He was “underpaid and received no bonus,” the Harlem-based group said in a statement to the Post.

“NAN said it hired an executive compensation firm that determined the good reverend was owed $1.252 million — but he was generously willing to take $500,000 less,” the Post added.


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Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg is sorry that he made NYC safe. Pandering without giving away the treasury.

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has yet to formally announce whether he will run for president in 2020, but during remarks where he looked to the future before a majority-black church in Brooklyn, he apologized for his controversial “stop and frisk” policy that sowed distrust of police in black and Latino communities during his administration.

That policy, which was later repealed, allowed police to stop individuals on the street and briefly question and frisk them if they had reasonable suspicion that the person may be committing, had committed or is about to commit a crime. During his Sunday speech, Bloomberg recognized that this led to “far too many innocent people” being stopped, many of them black or Latino.


“Over time I’ve come to understand something that I’ve long struggled to admit to myself,” Bloomberg told congregants at the Christian Cultural Center in the East New York neighborhood of Brooklyn. “I got something important wrong. I got something important really wrong.”

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Bob Lazar Says the FBI Raided Him to Seize Area 51's Alien Fuel. The Truth Is Weirder
New documents obtained by Motherboard show why the FBI raided the Area 51 insider's scientific supply company.

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Even Old Testament folks said no Christmas music before Thanksgiving.

Scholars all over the world now believe that King Saul actually threw a spear at David after the young musician insisted on playing Christmas music well before Thanksgiving.


It was early November, just after Halloween and still a couple weeks before Thanksgiving, and David played Christmas music, even though it wasn't really even close to December yet.

"If you play 'Little Drummer Boy' one more time, I'm going to pin you to the wall," King Saul reportedly growled. "I double-dog dare you."

David continued happily playing Christmas song after Christmas song, from "The Christmas Shoes" to "Here Comes Santa Claus." The last straw came when David started in on "Last Christmas," and Saul went into a blinding rage. He grabbed a spear and hurled it at David.

"NO MORE MR. NICE SAUL!" Saul screamed as he hurled the ranged weapon at David's face. "Make it stop!"


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Looks like the current pope missed Genesis in Theology 101.

Genesis 1:26-28 King James Version (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

THE ONT MUSICAL INTERLUDE



Born on this day: November 17, 1938
Gordon Lightfoot, Canadian singer, (1971 UK No.30 single 'If You Could Read My Mind', 1974 US No.1 single 'Sundown'). via thisdayinmusic.com


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Born on this day: November 17, 1946 - Martin Barre
English rock musician Martin Barre best known for his work with progressive rock band Jethro Tull from their second album in 1969 to the band's initial dissolution in 2012. via thisdayinmusic.com


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Repeat after me, marijuana is not heroin. Marijuana is not heroin. Genius Award Winner.

ANCHORAGE (KTUU) - The Marijuana Control Board unanimously voted to revoke a marijuana handler’s permit for a man charged with trying to import heroin to Nome.

On Oct 29, Quincy James Iyatunguk, 28, was arrested at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport with 8.8 grams of heroin. Alaska State Troopers say the heroin had been concealed internally.

The amount of heroin was said to make 88 individual doses and was valued at roughly $10,560, according to troopers.

On Wednesday, members of the Marijuana Control Board considered whether or not to take Iyatunguk’s handler permit. Members of the board say he was a manager at Good Leaf, a Nome-based marijuana store.

When arrested, Iyatunguk was transporting marijuana to Nome. Erika McConnell, the former director of the Alcohol and Marijuana Control Office, says the marijuana “did not state the correct manufacturer.”

The marijuana was taken back to Good Weeds, a store based out of Anchorage.


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A young man and hero bags are Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.

Tyler Stallings was 4 years old when he first learned that some veterans are homeless.

Veterans are part of the Maryland boy's extended family and he always thought of them as heroes. Homeless veterans didn't make sense to him.
He wanted to do something to help them right away, so he asked his mom if he could build houses for them. At such a young age, he wasn't in the best position to start building houses.


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Comments

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1 Good Evening Horde

Posted by: wing at November 17, 2019 09:52 PM (JFzNN)

2 Whee!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 17, 2019 09:52 PM (oVJmc)

3 Bazinga

Posted by: Sock Monkey...drip drying at November 17, 2019 09:52 PM (JRHyo)

4 GFY, Bill Mahr.

Posted by: Hillary! 2016, Who Will Never Be President of the United States at November 17, 2019 09:52 PM (XVuno)

5 YAY ONT

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2019 09:53 PM (cDw3P)

6 Make my day, Maher.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 17, 2019 09:53 PM (oVJmc)

7 Is that a Beet or a Rutabaga?

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 09:53 PM (0/eGj)

8 Good evening y'all

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 17, 2019 09:54 PM (/UQ/R)

9 Kid thinks outside the box. Why limit yourself to three?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:54 PM (DMUuz)

10 Oops. Off you gin-soaked fat slag of a sock.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 09:54 PM (XVuno)

11 Last ep of Poldark. I haz yuge sadz.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 09:54 PM (ptqGC)

12 Lovely picture up top. Thanks.

Bill Maher-

Liberals are described as weak, lame, coddling, oversensitive, and limp-dicked.

Which are strong words for a bunch of mouth-breathers, shit kickers, knuckle draggers,bible thumpers, sister-fuckers and rubes Bill Maher

I don't really see that there is a comparison between the two sets of words except for limp dicked which is more vitriolic than the others used

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 09:55 PM (WI7YS)

13 Awwww. Cute pic of MisHum in his crumb-cruncher days!

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:56 PM (i/wJA)

14 Good evening!

Posted by: Bert G at November 17, 2019 09:56 PM (OMsf+)

15 What have we 'ere, gov'nor?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:57 PM (BiNEL)

16 Well, that was rather cliquey.

Posted by: Priscilla Hutchin's turkey baster at November 17, 2019 09:57 PM (Fxgkp)

17 Pretty sure that little kid is dressed up as a scene from The Office.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 09:57 PM (0/eGj)

18 Gordon Lightfoot had one of the top five hit songs about a shipwreck of all time.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 09:57 PM (XVuno)

19 I'd venture a guess Bill Maher is more likely to have fucked a close relative than me.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at November 17, 2019 09:57 PM (Uu+Jp)

20 Maher strikes me as someone I could take down if necessary.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (i/wJA)

21 Good evening!
Posted by: Bert G at November 17, 2019 09:56 PM (OMsf+)

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Don't go forcing your reality on the rest of us, fascist.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (XVuno)

22 Because one set of words describes people. The other set of words describes some sort of sub humans.

Bill Maher needs a conversion experience.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (WI7YS)

23 Bet you could Emmie!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 17, 2019 09:59 PM (/UQ/R)

24 Greetings, fellow humans.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 17, 2019 09:59 PM (l9m7l)

25 >>Maher strikes me as someone I could take down if necessary.


Not without a Hazmat Suit.

That guy is a walking Playboy Mansion Grotto.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 09:59 PM (0/eGj)

26 Evening Horde!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:59 PM (Y4EXg)

27 That's a nice PRS Private Stock Martin is playing, there.

I had a chance to buy his 59 Burst back around 2000 or so. Still kicking myself for not grabbing that one.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 10:00 PM (0/eGj)

28 ❘❘❘❙❙❚♠

Love the wide open spaces. (Top pic)

Evening, digitized compatriots.

Posted by: mindful webworker - traditional style at November 17, 2019 10:01 PM (5RITs)

29

What is that kid holding?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 10:01 PM (aKsyK)

30 24 Greetings, fellow humans.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 17, 2019 09:59 PM (l9m7l)

Hey hey hey, don't be too hasty painting us with the "human" brush.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 10:01 PM (NWiLs)

31 I'll bet Maher's trained monkeys threw their poo with glee.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 17, 2019 10:01 PM (oVJmc)

32 Goodness Pope Francis is embarrassing.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:02 PM (Y4EXg)

33 Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 17, 2019 09:59 PM (/UQ/R)

You could too, WDS!

If we worked together, we'd have to take turns because it would be unfair for both of us to adjust his attitude at the same time.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 10:02 PM (i/wJA)

34 Abnormally long index finger on right hand of that corpse.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 10:02 PM (UUkQp)

35
Bill Maher needs a conversion experience.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


A conversion to basic elements.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 10:02 PM (aKsyK)

36 I get some satisfaction realizing Maher is a bitter , depressed hypocritical piece of crap and when he's all alone he no doubt realizes that. I bet he loathes himself most of all. What a sad saaway Bill you d little cis(?)man. You are e irrelevant.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...inspected by No 7 at November 17, 2019 10:03 PM (JRHyo)

37 That guy is a walking Playboy Mansion Grotto.
Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 09:59 PM (0/eGj)


Ew! Ew! Ew!

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 10:03 PM (i/wJA)

38 Maher's right , we can't lock them all up. No prisoners then.

Posted by: Josephistan at November 17, 2019 10:03 PM (Izzlo)

39 Which are strong words for a bunch of mouth-breathers, shit kickers, knuckle draggers,bible thumpers, sister-fuckers and rubes Bill Maher


I don't watch much of Trump's rallies, but does he even use the equivalent sort of language for Progressives?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:04 PM (WI7YS)

40 I agree with Fen that Maher needs Jesus.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 10:04 PM (i/wJA)

41 Ummm - the last pic with the kid and (more than three) cool descriptive words is holding a beet.

Wut?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:04 PM (Y4EXg)

42 Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 10:00 PM (0/eGj)

Don't kick yourself too hard

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 17, 2019 10:05 PM (aA3+G)

43 My phone is taunting me

Posted by: Sock Monkey...inspected by No 7 at November 17, 2019 10:05 PM (JRHyo)

44 early ONT's are cheating....

that is all.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 10:06 PM (NqeSm)

45 A gentle reminder: Ann Coulter dated Maher.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:06 PM (ptqGC)

46 Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 10:04 PM (i/wJA)

Jesus? I have different ideas

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 17, 2019 10:06 PM (aA3+G)

47 Super Beets!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 10:07 PM (aKsyK)

48 Hey everybody.

Bill Maher can ESAD.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:07 PM (L2ZTs)

49 Ummm - the last pic with the kid and (more than three) cool descriptive words is holding a beet.

Wut?
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:04 PM (Y4EXg)
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He's supposed to be Dwight Shrute, maybe?

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 10:07 PM (sTBcq)

50 >>Don't kick yourself too hard


I had room to come up. I was just being stubborn. Because I am an idiot.

It was the fucking Cross Eyed Mary Burst!

I know...Aqualung...but Mary is the tune on that LP.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 10:07 PM (0/eGj)

51 I don't watch much of Trump's rallies, but does he even use the equivalent sort of language for Progressives?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:04 PM (WI7YS)


As far as I can recall, only for Dem politicians and the media.

Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 10:07 PM (l3+k2)

52 TonyPete @ 41 It was the fashion then.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 10:07 PM (UUkQp)

53 A gentle reminder: Ann Coulter dated Maher.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

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I'm of the mind that the word "dating" implies a dignity to that relationship that it really didn't deserve.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:08 PM (Y4EXg)

54 I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Gordon Lightfoot's "Sundown" is the hardest-rocking 'adult contemporary' song ever.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:08 PM (L2ZTs)

55 I agree with Fen that Maher needs Jesus.
Posted by: Emmie

As do we all. His atheism is a reflection of a person who has no foundation.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...inspected by No 7 at November 17, 2019 10:08 PM (JRHyo)

56 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 10:02 PM (aKsyK)

I think God desires everyone to be saved. I agree with the poster above who said Maher is an unhappy. very angry man. His life wouldn't be happier if he was compost. It would be happier if he had the fruit of the spirit as he isn't a man who seems to have love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness and self control. Also, part of his routine is getting a reaction and getting attention. It's like a kid who has tantrum to get a response.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:08 PM (WI7YS)

57 Bill Maher needs a conversion experience.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (WI7YS)

Becoming mulch would qualify, I guess.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 10:08 PM (/sgva)

58 Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 10:06 PM (NqeSm)

Your concern is duly noted

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 17, 2019 10:08 PM (aA3+G)

59 I think it was Howard Stern who said that every time he ever went to the Playboy Mansion, Bill Maher was in the Grotto.

I remember wondering which one of them, The Grotto or Maher, was most worried the other would give them a disease they didn't already have doubles of.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 10:09 PM (0/eGj)

60 >> I agree with Fen that Maher needs Jesus.


>>As do we all.


Well. Not ALL of us.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 10:10 PM (0/eGj)

61 Bill Maher needs a conversion experience.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (WI7YS)


Agreed. He needs to be converted from a breathing organism to... uh... something else...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:10 PM (L2ZTs)

62 As far as I can recall, only for Dem politicians and the media.Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 10:07 PM (l3+k2)

I think he calls them liars, fake news and evil (?) which of course they're not going to like. It's not the same as saying their screwing their sisters and playing in poop.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:10 PM (WI7YS)

63 AOP beat me to it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:10 PM (L2ZTs)

64 >>>I'm of the mind that the word "dating" implies a dignity to that relationship that it really didn't deserve.

They fucked like rats

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 17, 2019 10:11 PM (aA3+G)

65 Sorry-"They're" not "Their"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:12 PM (WI7YS)

66 I'm already looking forward to next spring.
Got some travel planned.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:12 PM (L2ZTs)

67 When I had my restaurant, no Christmas music until the day after Thanksgiving. Then, I blended it in with all my music. On Dec 1 we went to full time Christmas music, and I decorated the store. Dec 26 we went back to a mix. Jan 1 the decorations were gone along with the Christmas music.

I've already seen two houses in town with elaborate decorations/lighting. One has been up over a week. Ironically, I think they must be pagans.

Posted by: windbag at November 17, 2019 10:13 PM (UdxnN)

68 I can't even imagine the cooties contained in the Playboy Mansion and grotto. Has it been firebombed yet? Surely no one would want to live there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:13 PM (ptqGC)

69 32 Goodness Pope Francis is embarrassing.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:02 PM
(Y4EXg)

Worse than that. He's destroying the church.

Posted by: Gem at November 17, 2019 10:13 PM (65i3Q)

70 There's an article at legalinsurrection about Mr. David Gibson from Gibson Bakery vs. Oberlin College. He had been sick for a while and has passed. The Gibson family has been fighting a legal battle against (the monsters at) Oberlin. The legalinsurrection article provides information on Mr. Gibson's struggle with cancer as well as with the college. They also provide a link to their bakery for those so inclined to offer support by purchasing their products. I was happy to do so.

Posted by: Floridachick at November 17, 2019 10:14 PM (9s6N2)

71 Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:10 PM (L2ZTs)

Nice restraint

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 17, 2019 10:14 PM (aA3+G)

72 66 I'm already looking forward to next spring.
Got some travel planned.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:12 PM (L2ZTs)

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Well silly, are you going to make us guess?

I'll start.

Morocco!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 10:14 PM (XVuno)

73 Maher believes what he says, but even if he didn't he'd probably still say it because his main job is to affirm his audience's prejudices and confirm their sense of unwarranted self-superiority.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 17, 2019 10:14 PM (o1fzk)

74 MisHum, thanks.
Yeah I could imagine you, er, responding to what I originally wanted to post...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:15 PM (L2ZTs)

75 When did Gordon Lightfoot get that old?

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 10:16 PM (aS1PU)

76 54, I agree. It's a cool song.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 17, 2019 10:16 PM (o1fzk)

77

I'd like 5 minutes of constructive dialogue with Bill Maher.

He could use the rehab time to ponder the wisdom of his actions.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 17, 2019 10:16 PM (KATBx)

78 Cicero, yeah I'm dying to find myself face to face with roaches that could eat me alive. :-P

Nope, I'm talkin' 'bout my oft-mentioned-here Arkansas trip. Think I'm finally ready.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:16 PM (L2ZTs)

79 Beckoning Chasm - noted today that it was a year ago tomorrow that you posted "Departure." Watched it again today.

Posted by: mindful webworker - fishtaling at November 17, 2019 10:16 PM (5RITs)

80 Bill Maher needs a conversion experience.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (WI7YS)

Don't hold yer breath.

Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 10:17 PM (Z3oWA)

81 Arkansas is good too. Gave us the Clintons.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 10:17 PM (XVuno)

82 Like MisHum, I too love Lightfoot.

Rainy Day People
always seem to know
Epstein didn't kill himself...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:17 PM (L2ZTs)

83 I love fall and winter in the south. The leaves here in coastal GA are changing, the weather is chilly, and we can take a breather from the tropics getting sporty. Except yesterday, we had a system sitting over us giving us gale force winds and sideways rain.

Fall and winter here don't last long enough, to me.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:17 PM (ptqGC)

84 Gordon Lightfoot has had serious heart issues for years. It's a miracle he's still alive.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 17, 2019 10:17 PM (o1fzk)

85 But is one ever really ready for Arkansas.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 17, 2019 10:17 PM (aA3+G)

86 Greetings, all!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at November 17, 2019 10:18 PM (13CQC)

87 Composting is a conversion experience.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 17, 2019 10:18 PM (oVJmc)

88 MisHum, that's what I'M thinking.

I am NOT going to see Clinton landmarks, that's for sure. Besides I hear they're a big snooze anyway.

"And if you'll follow me, you can see here the bed where Hillary first refused to give a blow job to the then-future president..." :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:19 PM (L2ZTs)

89 Regarding Bob Lazar. There's nothing in nuclear physics to suggest that any hypothetical heavy elements would have anti-gravity properties. The idea that "element 115" could power alien spacecraft smacks of magical thinking.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 10:19 PM (/sgva)

90 If you could read my mind, love
you'd find Epstein didn't kill himself...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:21 PM (L2ZTs)

91 Goodness Pope Francis is embarrassing.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:02 PM (Y4EXg)

If you go to the website "Church militant" they go "off" about Pope Francis. I find their articles themselves interesting if depressing but sometimes I find the comments a bit much, because I'm not really into people that call clergy from other denominations "People engaging in dress up who have no authority." I wouldn't call "dress up" it you're anointing the dying or bringing sick people Holy Communion, but of course I have a biased view on this. I also don't think it' really helpful for the RC hardliners to say
"Protestant heretics have nothing to say to me!!"
Really? "Orthodox" small "O" We believe in the Trinity and much of the theology Catholics believe in and we have nothing to say to each others. Seems as if it would be better to concentrate on our areas of agreement than where we disagree.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:21 PM (WI7YS)

92 D'oh and D'oh Boy are going to hike Machu Picchu in August with D'oh's BFF and his son. My husband hiked it 40 years ago. He watched the sun rise from the peak above the site,and watched a giant condor appear out of the mist below him. I don't know if he can experience that again with our son.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:22 PM (ptqGC)

93 Fall and winter here don't last long enough, to me.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:17 PM (ptqGC)

We have 7 months of fall and winter, you can take some of ours.

Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 10:22 PM (Z3oWA)

94 FUN FACT: Little Rock is often called the Paris of the Central Arkansas River Valley/Ouachita Mountain geological complex.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 10:22 PM (XVuno)

95 And FTR, I don't like the Protestant who go on and on in a nasty way about Roman Catholics and sound like a Jack Chick Pamphlet

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:22 PM (WI7YS)

96 Bill Maher is an angry old white leftist because Hef died and the Playboy mansion parties are no more. Bill pinched more pussy than someone else that got the publicity.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 17, 2019 10:22 PM (sy5kK)

97 91-"Nothing to say to each other" should have had a question mark after it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:23 PM (WI7YS)

98 Fuck you, Bill Maher.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 17, 2019 10:24 PM (ufFY8)

99 Thanks for another dandy ONT, MisHum. Love that photo up top. A very moody sunset.

Twain was right: "Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand."

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at November 17, 2019 10:24 PM (lv9KS)

100 I did live in Chicago for six years. So I don't really want perpetual winter here. Lol.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:24 PM (ptqGC)

101 Seems as if it would be better to concentrate on our areas of agreement than where we disagree.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

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Hear! Hear!

Bishop Sheen met with Billy Graham (the first time) for a few hours on a train when they both discovered the other was a passenger and by all accounts they had a delightful exchange.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:24 PM (Y4EXg)

102 Bill Maher's name calling: Which are strong words for a bunch of mouth-breathers, shit kickers, knuckle draggers,bible thumpers, sister-fuckers and rubes Bill Maher

My name calling: TeeVee Comedian

Who the hell ever told these people that they are qualified to lecture the rest of us?

I'm convinced that celebrity is as dangerous a drug as meth.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2019 10:25 PM (+lVUW)

103 Tonypete, there's a story that Milton Berle was once asked about his 1950s TV competition being, of all people, Bishop Fulton Sheen.

Berle was classy about it and said "Well, the Bishop had better writers. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John."

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:25 PM (L2ZTs)

104 Mrs. DIG is watching some PBS thing about Prince Charles.
They are going on and on about how climate change is causing hurricanes, or something. What a bunch of indoctrinating idiots.
Fuck them.


lol, yes, I'm in a mood.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 17, 2019 10:26 PM (ufFY8)

105 Fall and winter here don't last long enough, to me.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:17 PM (ptqGC)


This year, we went right from summer in early October to February weather in November with only about a week of autumn. We got shortchanged on one of my favorite seasons out of all of the eleven seasons of the midwest.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 10:26 PM (t+qrx)

106 I can't be bothered by the Bill Mahers of the world

laughter may be all that

but ability to ignore is a close second

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 10:26 PM (rpxSz)

107 Maher's particular kind of sickness is so rank, that even were he to take in the entirety of a Texas Mo Meet, from first day to last, it wouldn't make one single positive impression on him.

Fact is though, even Rancher Bob's dogs are better men than Maher could ever hope to be.

And I say that with all due apologies to the dogs, for even using them in that comparison.

People like Maher are impervious to facts, reason, logic, evidence and reality itself, as it unfolds before their very eyes.

What they see, and what we see, are two entirely separate things.

Alas, what they see is thoroughly tainted by their PC filters, revisionist histories and sick, twisted conviction that "whiteness" (especially the male version thereof) is the root of all evil.

It's not that they threaten our "way of life". It's that they threaten our very lives.

I do not intend to allow them to make good on that threat.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX



Posted by: Jim at November 17, 2019 10:26 PM (QzJWU)

108 We got shortchanged on one of my favorite seasons out of all of the eleven seasons of the midwest.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 10:26 PM (t+qrx)

---------

Lucky you. Out here in CA we have two seasons: Beach and Fire.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 10:27 PM (XVuno)

109 Great song for this time of year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvD0_aeAf2E

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:27 PM (L2ZTs)

110 I'm watching Brian Kilmead's special on The Alamo on Fox. Very interesting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:27 PM (ptqGC)

111 Man sacrifices his SUV to save pedestrians from a drunk driver:

https://tinyurl.com/t2tso6w

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:28 PM (WI7YS)

112 We have 7 months of fall and winter, you can take some of ours.
Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 10:22 PM (Z3oWA)


Hang on, we need that fall for tailgating. We can spare the whole month of March, we won't miss that.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 10:28 PM (t+qrx)

113 MisHum, that's what I'M thinking.

I am NOT going to see Clinton landmarks, that's for sure. Besides I hear they're a big snooze anyway.

"And if you'll follow me, you can see here the bed where Hillary first refused to give a blow job to the then-future president..." :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:19 PM (L2ZTs)

I have been to the Clinton Travel Trailer & Presidential Museum. Not voluntarily.

All other places I have visited in Arkansas were nice.

I got a kick outta the Diamond Mine State Park (name is close, may not be exact). Did not find any diamonds, though.

Posted by: tbodie at November 17, 2019 10:28 PM (dLr9j)

114 Hey, hogmartin!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:28 PM (ptqGC)

115 Hallo, Jane.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 10:28 PM (t+qrx)

116 I used to spend hours and hours listening to my Rhino British Invasion CD collection.

(And yep, it included Status Quo's "Pictures Of Matchstick Men.")

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:29 PM (L2ZTs)

117 Does anyone know
where the love of God goes?
or that Epstein didn't kill himself

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at November 17, 2019 10:29 PM (oAY8z)

118 Hi Horde.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 10:30 PM (TdMsT)

119 tbodie, good to hear.

Me and my half-sis, when I get there, intend to visit some of the nearby indian casinos. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:30 PM (L2ZTs)

120 Seems everything here is rolling along smoothly, so...

Getting out while the getting's good, I think I'll clock out early. I hear a pot of coffee calling me through time and sleep is the time machine.

♠❚❙❙❘❘❘

Posted by: mindful webworker - just because at November 17, 2019 10:30 PM (5RITs)

121 Does anyone really know what time it is

Or who killed Jeffrey Epstein?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:31 PM (ptqGC)

122 Yo! Lady'l.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:31 PM (Y4EXg)

123
I know...Aqualung...but Mary is the tune on that LP.
Posted by: garrett

Ahem I beg to differ


In the shuffling madness
Of the locomotive breath
Runs the all-time loser
Headlong to his death

Posted by: Sock Monkey...inspected by No 7 at November 17, 2019 10:31 PM (JRHyo)

124 Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:24 PM (Y4EXg)

I would have been disappointed if they hadn't had a delightful conversation because I think they were both decent, good men who believed in Christ. Heck, I have a clergy friend who gave one of her kidneys to the Rabbi in her ministerium because he needed a transplant. They became like sister and brother because they are both good people and both good clergy who speak of God-just from different traditions.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:32 PM (WI7YS)

125 Hey Ladyl!

I'm going to hit the bed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 10:32 PM (ptqGC)

126 7 Is that a Beet or a Rutabaga?
Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2019 09:53 PM (0/eGj)

It's a Swede.

Posted by: Fox2! at November 17, 2019 10:32 PM (MwFQu)

127 Yo! Lady'l.
Posted by: Tonypete

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Goodness, I apostrophed you.

I am so sorry.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:32 PM (Y4EXg)

128 Sock Monkey, love that song.
Seems as though it had twice as fast a beat as anything else at the time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:32 PM (L2ZTs)

129 Yes, Locomotive Breath is the best song on Aqualung

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at November 17, 2019 10:32 PM (oAY8z)

130 ONT time

And

Not Jeffrey Epstein

Posted by: Sock Monkey...inspected by No 7 at November 17, 2019 10:33 PM (JRHyo)

131 Goodness, I apostrophed you.

I am so sorry.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:32 PM (Y4EXg)


Ouch!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 10:33 PM (TdMsT)

132
I usually don't watch 60 Minutes, doing it now with the Red Flag segment.

It is pretty much what I expected, making anyone that doesn't bow down to overbearing government thuggery an enemy or a fool. Minor lip service was given the 2nd Amendment, but no detail, only shade against gun owners.

I don't know why I wasted my time.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 17, 2019 10:33 PM (sy5kK)

133 WDS, thanks again for your ear. I had a stellar time at the show last night. It was sooooo much fun with a "family reunion" atmosphere similar to the 50th that you attended. The new guy totally rocks and everyone kept telling me the Flash spirit was back! Plus, I got about a hundred hugs, including a couple from Goose Gossage, and saw some of my HS classmates!

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 10:33 PM (i/wJA)

134 Good night, Jane D'Oh.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 10:34 PM (TdMsT)

135 Sitting on a park bench
Eyeing little girls
With bad intent
Snot running down his nose
And Epstein didn't kill himself.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:34 PM (Y4EXg)

136 The legend lives on, from the Chippewa on down, that Epstein didn't kill himself.

Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 10:34 PM (l3+k2)

137 64
>>>I'm of the mind that the word "dating" implies a dignity to that relationship that it really didn't deserve.



They fucked like rats

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 17, 2019 10:11 PM (aA3+G)

OK, you mentioned Coulter, so that reminded me of an ancient blog post by somebody, which is hilariously funny and gross (a link to a copy of it):https://tinyurl.com/tf8vrau
And yes, Maher needs a true conversion.



Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 17, 2019 10:34 PM (ufFY8)

138 I don't get the Genesis quotes with regard to idiot Pope Francis's ravings..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 17, 2019 10:34 PM (438dO)

139 Chi-Town Pope Frankie's a Phil Collins fan? Cool... ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:35 PM (L2ZTs)

140 Sunday Swimwear ONT Compliance Pics

https://tinyurl.com/twaa4r6

https://tinyurl.com/yx4np6ah

https://tinyurl.com/uqghnx6

https://tinyurl.com/qwzs9cp

https://tinyurl.com/rd54kd4

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2019 10:35 PM (qAR6u)

141 I got a kick outta the Diamond Mine State Park (name is close, may not be exact). Did not find any diamonds, though.
Posted by: tbodie at November 17, 2019 10:28 PM (dLr9j)

It is a legitimate kimberlite pipe, and has produced diamonds.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 10:36 PM (/sgva)

142

When a lifelong sex pervert gets money and fame, the result is Bill Maher.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 17, 2019 10:36 PM (sy5kK)

143 I wore out 2 different Aqualung 8 tracks. Still have the LP

Posted by: Sock Monkey...inspected by No 7 at November 17, 2019 10:36 PM (JRHyo)

144
People like Maher are impervious to facts, reason, logic, evidence and reality itself, as it unfolds before their very eyes.

But they tell us that they worship SCIENCE!!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 10:36 PM (aKsyK)

145 So, there's an ASPCA Christmas public service ad on tv. Almost all the dogs appear to be purebred.
In my area, at least 40% of the dogs in rescues are pit bulls. It is reaching a point where if you want a dog from the county animal shelter, if you want a nice, small mutt, good luck.

I just wish these organizations would be more honest when they push people to adopt rescue dogs.

I got my beagle over ten years ago, and I had to go from one rescue to another, and from one animal shelter to another. The trashiest, most irresponsible people out there are breeding pit bulls like there's no tomorrow and the shelters are overflowing with them.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2019 10:37 PM (+lVUW)

146 If Prince had been a folkie in the 1960s... ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJWBpq2dCF0

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:37 PM (L2ZTs)

147 More Sunday Swimwear ONT Compliance Pics

https://tinyurl.com/svlz26c

https://tinyurl.com/wdcy7lw

https://tinyurl.com/yx8elvjo

https://tinyurl.com/ror6ngr

https://tinyurl.com/tf6hjdj

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2019 10:37 PM (qAR6u)

148 Mahr and Coulter are a good match, they'll say whatever gets the most attention.

Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 10:39 PM (l3+k2)

149

Reducing the sauce on the Chinese braised pork belly recipe from earlier this week, standby for report...

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 17, 2019 10:39 PM (Eax70)

150 I'm a pretty big Tull fan - mainly of their '70s output. Stand Up is definitely my favorite record of theirs.

Benefit, Thick As a Brick, Aqualung, Songs From the Wood are also great albums

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at November 17, 2019 10:39 PM (oAY8z)

151 This movie about St Faustina might be of interest to RC's and any other Christian that says the "Divine Mercy" chaplet. I do. There is a clip of the movie on the website. If it's playing in N.J. It might be playing in a big city near you:

https://tinyurl.com/qsjzaop

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:41 PM (WI7YS)

152

It was a new day yesterday but it's an old day now.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 10:41 PM (aKsyK)

153 that stupid OMG SOME DUMB JOCK DID A WORKOUT stunt filled up far too much time on the sports networks this weekend.

go away Kaepernick and suck on some Chinese businessman dong. let ESPN film that.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 10:41 PM (ykYG2)

154 I got my beagle over ten years ago, and I had to go from one rescue to another, and from one animal shelter to another. The trashiest, most irresponsible people out there are breeding pit bulls like there's no tomorrow and the shelters are overflowing with them.
Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2019 10:37 PM (+lVUW)


I never, ever, saw a pit bull in my rural county and small town in the 30 years I lived there. And I was on the bike path daily.

I moved to the city and they are everywhere. I was bitten by one six years ago and the wound took a year to heal.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 10:42 PM (TdMsT)

155 Sometimes I think it's a sin, when I find out that Epstein didn't kill himself again.

Posted by: Gordon Lightfoot at November 17, 2019 10:42 PM (l3+k2)

156 When a lifelong sex pervert gets money and fame, the result is Bill Maher.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 17, 2019 10:36 PM (sy5kK)


Not gonna lie, I was kind of hoping this would turn out to be a "that's amore" zinger.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 10:43 PM (t+qrx)

157 Don't want to be a Fat Man
People would think that I'm just good fun
Epstein didn't kill himself

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at November 17, 2019 10:43 PM (oAY8z)

158 Does anyone here have Tami's e-mail? I would like to contact her. I think she has rickl's e-mail. I can still be reached at FenelonDirection18 at sign gmail.com Thx

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:43 PM (WI7YS)

159 I mean the meter almost fits, but not quite.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 10:44 PM (t+qrx)

160 151 This movie about St Faustina might be of interest to RC's and any other Christian that says the "Divine Mercy" chaplet. I do. There is a clip of the movie on the website. If it's playing in N.J. It might be playing in a big city near you:

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

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I have tickets to see it 12/2. I was shown previously for one showing only and sold out in a few hours. They added a second show time.

Fen - for my daily Divine Mercy, I use this (along with my Rosary of course). The singer is wonderful - give it a listen: https://youtu.be/h036hXqcbnU

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:45 PM (Y4EXg)

161 I'm a pretty big Tull fan - mainly of their '70s output. Stand Up is definitely my favorite record of theirs.



Benefit, Thick As a Brick, Aqualung, Songs From the Wood are also great albums

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah
..............
Did you have the version of Stand Up with the pop up characters of the band?
I think I still have that somewhere.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 17, 2019 10:46 PM (438dO)

162 Meet Leah Stokes. She's a professor of political science at University of California, Santa Barbara, is a "researcher on climate and energy policies", and is a firm believer in the "climate crisis" and the "Green New Deal", and the usual claptrap.

However, she sent out a Tweet today, stating:

The fabric of society feels very thin to me right now. In the last few weeks, I have been attacked on here by people I considered friends. I have been yelled at in public by strangers. I've been subtweeted up the wazoo. It's tiring.

Her crime? Stating that:

Here's the thing: shutting down existing nuclear plants has led to increased emissions when it has happened in Germany, California, and likely Vermont. I don't want carbon emissions to go up. That is a very real risk for example in NY state right now.

For daring to notice the obvious consequence that fossil-fuel electrical generation goes up when you shut down nuclear plants (which has been extensively documented), left-wing Twitter has viciously turned on her.

There is no deviating from the Party Line, Comrade.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 17, 2019 10:46 PM (I2/tG)

163 Just wanna say that The Moron Horde is the best. May you all have a lovely week and may God heal our nation.

I'm pretty spent after working the show last night, so it's early to bed for me!

*blows kisses*

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 10:47 PM (i/wJA)

164 Awesome Emmie!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 17, 2019 10:47 PM (/UQ/R)

165 67 When I had my restaurant, no Christmas music until the day after Thanksgiving. Then, I blended it in with all my music. On Dec 1 we went to full time Christmas music, and I decorated the store. Dec 26 we went back to a mix. Jan 1 the decorations were gone along with the Christmas music.

I put my lights up the weekend after Thanksgiving, and leave them up until the end of Christmastide (First Vespers of the First Sunday in Ordinary Time).

Posted by: Fox2! at November 17, 2019 10:48 PM (MwFQu)

166 Sweet dreams, Emmie!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 17, 2019 10:49 PM (QzJWU)

167 WDS, you're a true friend!

*hugs*

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 10:49 PM (i/wJA)

168 Thanks, TonyPete. I hope to sign up to see it. Maybe they'll add more shows if there is an interest. I saw a one woman show on St Faustina from a RC theatre group, St Luke productions which also has shows on a number of Saints. It was great. They also have shows on St Francis, Maximillain Kolbe (sp) and the Black Priest who lived in Chicago in the 1800's who was just canonized or is in the process. I am forgetting his name; Sorry

I will listen to the singing of the chaplet. Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:50 PM (WI7YS)

169 Jim, hope we can meet up some day!

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 10:50 PM (i/wJA)

170 >Trump rallies are filled with words like "enemies of the people," "human scum." They talk of people to be locked up. Well, you can't lock all us up.

We can't seem to lock up even one criminal bureaucrat. And they have put Roger Stone and a few others in jail under outrageous circumstances.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 17, 2019 10:50 PM (LxTcq)

171
The ONT Classical Music Interlude

"Marietta's Song" from the opera Die tote Stadt by Erich Wolfgang Korngold. Sung by soprano Renee Fleming with the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra.

https://youtu.be/cVlyymK8vLI

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 10:50 PM (7rVsF)

172 may God heal our nation.


Good prayer, Emmie.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:51 PM (WI7YS)

173
I got my beagle over ten years ago, and I had to go from one rescue to
another, and from one animal shelter to another. The trashiest, most
irresponsible people out there are breeding pit bulls like there's no
tomorrow and the shelters are overflowing with them.

Posted by: nerdygirl...................Call up any county animal control website in the country and most available for adoption are pit bull and pit bull mix.
"Oh, but they are such a sweet breed!" yeah, until they rip the throat out of the neighbor's daughter..
"Oh! She must have provoked him! He's so gentle!"

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 17, 2019 10:52 PM (438dO)

174 it's been mentioned elsewhere that Trump is starting to lose his support on the Right, the more of his supporters he allows the Left to railroad into dungeons. Why support a man who won't support his own?

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 10:52 PM (ykYG2)

175 and the Black Priest who lived in Chicago in the 1800's who was just canonized or is in the process. I am forgetting his name; Sorry

---

The Rev. Augustus Tolton - a former slave.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:52 PM (Y4EXg)

176 The wreck of the edmund fitzgerald was 44 years and a week ago

https://youtu.be/9vST6hVRj2A

that good ship and true was a bone to be chewed

when the gales of November came early

Posted by: booknlass at November 17, 2019 10:52 PM (xIKXj)

177 They are going on and on about how climate change is causing hurricanes, or something.

Well, that's the beauty of the term "climate change".
Everything that happens with the weather can be attributed to "climate change".
Snow in Michigan in November? Climate change.
No snow in Michigan in December? Climate change.
Tornado in May? Climate change.

The environmental hysterics went from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change", and the liberals were too dumb to see that they were being played for suckers.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2019 10:53 PM (+lVUW)

178 Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:52 PM (Y4EXg)

Yes, Thanks. I'm having a Senior moment. Has he been canonized?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 10:54 PM (WI7YS)

179 My favorite Tull song is No Lullaby.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 17, 2019 10:54 PM (H5knJ)

180
So, there's an ASPCA Christmas public service ad on tv. Almost all the dogs appear to be purebred.

Whereas the number of purebreds in shelters is quite low.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 10:54 PM (7rVsF)

181 The wreck of the edmund fitzgerald was 44 years and a week ago
https://youtu.be/9vST6hVRj2A

that good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
when the gales of November came early
Posted by: booknlass

----

It ain't easy working "Gitche Gumee" into a song lyric but Lightfoot did it.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:55 PM (Y4EXg)

182
Gordon Lightfoot had one of the top five hit songs about a shipwreck of all time.

Posted by: Cicero

How do you argue with that? Easy.No! He had two.

https://tinyurl.com/ryy54mq

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 10:55 PM (oRpiG)

183 Swede == Turnip == Rutabaga in certain Irish and Scottish circles.

Posted by: Fox2! at November 17, 2019 10:55 PM (MwFQu)

184 Goodness Pope Francis is embarrassing.
Posted by: Tonypete

It's a long list on both sides of the aisle. Good thing it's our Lord's job and not mine. People want to discuss Catholics I always like to start with Mother Teresa. A significant number of what is labeled the persecuted church are catholic. Personally I don't get the genuflectors. Mrs. SOCK was a Catholic school girl.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...inspected by No 7 at November 17, 2019 10:55 PM (JRHyo)

185 This year, we went right from summer in early October to February weather in November with only about a week of autumn. We got shortchanged on one of my favorite seasons out of all of the eleven seasons of the midwest.
Posted by: hogmartin


This really screwed up fall, also known as raking season.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2019 10:55 PM (+lVUW)

186
I've been subtweeted up the wazoo.

That's gotta hurt!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 10:56 PM (aKsyK)

187 I got very wet this morning sitting in my tree stand. The day before it was foggy. I blame climate change.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...inspected by No 7 at November 17, 2019 10:58 PM (JRHyo)

188 Yes, Thanks. I'm having a Senior moment. Has he been canonized?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

--

No, not yet. Pope Francis advanced the Cause for Sainthood of Rev. Tolton though on June 11, 2019. The Pope signed a decree issued by the Vatican Congregation for the Causes of Saints.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:58 PM (Y4EXg)

189 I recall seeing Jethro Tull live in maybe 1972, roadies on stage setting up, sound of a phone ringing, guy answers on stage, says it's for Mike Nelson, then suddenly the roadies are actually Ian Anderson and the rest of the band and they hit the first chords of Aqualung. Epic.

Posted by: Halfwise at November 17, 2019 10:58 PM (HzJQJ)

190 I've been subtweeted up the wazoo.

That's gotta hurt!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 10:56 PM (aKsyK)


---------

PRO TIP: Always request the general anesthesia.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 10:58 PM (XVuno)

191 Qdpsteve, if you are still looking for Polish rock bands, well there is Boskva

https://youtu.be/w6ZPQ_gOdQE



Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 10:58 PM (1glZx)

192 No Bill we can't get all you but we can put you on the top of the list.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 17, 2019 10:58 PM (2DOZq)

193 tbodie, good to hear.

Me and my half-sis, when I get there, intend to visit some of the nearby indian casinos. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 10:30 PM (L2ZTs)

The resort in Pocola, Ok, just west of Ft. Smith is very nice.

Posted by: tbodie at November 17, 2019 10:58 PM (dLr9j)

194 subtweeted up the wazoo

I tot I taw a diverticule!

Posted by: Tweety Bird at November 17, 2019 10:59 PM (ykYG2)

195 I've been subtweeted up the wazoo.

----

Was it a surprise I wonder.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:59 PM (Y4EXg)

196 and here's the great version of "Closer to Home" with the extra jam

https://youtu.be/g8MYsii4DZY

just cause i love you guys

Posted by: booknlass at November 17, 2019 11:00 PM (xIKXj)

197 I think you can find purebreds in breed rescues, but they can be very picky about who is pet worthy - one person has to be at home always, must have fenced yard, vet referrals, etc - some will do home inspections even.

I suspect some rescues are really more of pet hoarders who've found a way to turn their collecting into a charity

Posted by: VM's phone at November 17, 2019 11:01 PM (G546f)

198 185
This year, we went right from summer in early October to February
weather in November with only about a week of autumn. We got
shortchanged on one of my favorite seasons out of all of the eleven
seasons of the midwest.

Posted by: hogmartin



I am glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.


Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 17, 2019 11:01 PM (ufFY8)

199 tbodie, thanks!
I've actually tried to make overnight reservations at Choctaw Pocola, they're already booked through most of 2020.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:01 PM (L2ZTs)

200 "Oh, but they are such a sweet breed!" yeah, until they rip the throat out of the neighbor's daughter..

Yep, lots of cases where the pit bull is as sweet as it can be for years, until it gets just the right combination of stimuli, and suddenly remembers that it has been bred for fighting.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 17, 2019 11:02 PM (I2/tG)

201 Gordon Lightfoot had one of the top five hit songs about a shipwreck of all time.

Posted by: Cicero

How do you argue with that? Easy.No! He had two.

https://tinyurl.com/ryy54mq
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 10:55 PM (oRpiG)

Sounds like Jim Croce who basically wrote the same song but changed the names. Bad Bad Leroy Brown and You Don't Mess Around with Jim.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 17, 2019 11:02 PM (2DOZq)

202 Kindltot, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:02 PM (L2ZTs)

203 Was it a surprise I wonder.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 10:59 PM (Y4EXg)

Analysis correct.

Posted by: Halfwise at November 17, 2019 11:04 PM (HzJQJ)

204 Qdpsteve, Mount Magazine in AR is very nice.

Now, good night for reals. Mr. Bassman is already asleep.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 11:05 PM (i/wJA)

205 The trashiest, most
irresponsible people out there are breeding pit bulls like there's no
tomorrow and the shelters are overflowing with them.


this is correct

meanwhile we're importing pure- and cross-breed "rescues" from Eastern Europe, for some reason. I'm sure there's nothing hinky about THAT at all

also - is this good for the environment? transporting the rare non-pittie, non-senior, non-terminally-ill rescue dog across multiple states or even countries? seems weird.

meanwhile law-abiding small-scale hobby breeders get harassed by state regulators to the point of ...well they already lose money on this, lol. I guess to the point of losing even MORE money? and just quitting breeding entirely because of the hassle

but no one would ever say a word to the guys in the hood breeding pitties, no sir no way

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:05 PM (Rarvo)

206 Emmie, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:05 PM (L2ZTs)

207 Please don't give up on POTUS and the patriots.

maher will be one of the ones locked up for crimes that make one sick. unless he gets the death penalty


he's got the nerve of a panicked loser calling us names

Posted by: booknlass at November 17, 2019 11:06 PM (xIKXj)

208 Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 10:52 PM (ykYG2)

Aside from pardoning them (Flynn and Stone) I'm not sure what he can do, but if he's losing support because of it I think people should consider writing him at the WH and expressing their concern if they haven't already

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 11:06 PM (WI7YS)

209
This year, we went right from summer in early October to February
weather in November with only about a week of autumn. We got
shortchanged on one of my favorite seasons out of all of the eleven
seasons of the midwest.

Posted by: hogmartin


Same thing happened with going from winter to summer without much spring.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 11:06 PM (aKsyK)

210 I suspect some rescues are really more of pet hoarders who've found a way to turn their collecting into a charity


to be fair I got to be like that with Chow rescue so I had to stop doing it! no one was good enough

it's not like we start out thinking "let's hoard them" but before you know it you have a whole lot still living with you...

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:07 PM (Rarvo)

211 Good evening horde.

Nice ONT, Miss. Hum.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at November 17, 2019 11:07 PM (Rz2Nc)

212 It's an example of good intentions leading to bad but completely predictable consequences:
Too many stray pets so there's a big campaign to spay and neuter until that's the norm for responsible owners.
Success, very few oopsie mutts!
So, apart from actual pro breeders, only irresponsible owners whelp pups and kittens. What is the biggest market - dogfighting. Ergo, surplus pibbles.

Posted by: VM's phone at November 17, 2019 11:08 PM (G546f)

213 Same thing happened with going from winter to summer without much spring.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 11:06 PM (aKsyK)


*doe-eyed innocence*

Maybe they're saving it up so we'll get nothing but spring and fall for 2020!

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 11:09 PM (t+qrx)

214 The economy is booming.
Unemployment is so low...

How low is it?

It's so low even Colin Kapernick got a job interview.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2019 11:10 PM (axyOa)

215 BlackOrchid, are Chows your favorite breed?

Posted by: VM's phone at November 17, 2019 11:10 PM (G546f)

216 I heard Korngold's violin concerto again not long ago. It has begun to "enter the repertoire." But Korngold was a prodigy composer, and had written a couple of huge avant-garde operas in the 1920's, before fortune changed Europe and he became a film composer. He died in 1955, with his major works forgotten, and I reckon a little bitter about it.

The piece cited above has gotten a little "recital" play in recent years. Just this year, Bard College (which we all love to hate) had an opera fest and revived his other major work, Das Wunder der Heliane.

The Wall Street Journal and several papers were there to review it, and it is of course seriously weird, because hey, avant-garde 20th century opera. His other work, especially in film, is so goddam superb that I would love to get the chance to hear it for myself, if for no other reason than to make up for the absolutely crappy deal he got from the exigencies of history.

But maybe we can just make some jokes about him because nobody gives a shit.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 11:10 PM (oRpiG)

217
I never realized this song was actually
fairly decent.



Depends on the performer, no doubt:






https://tinyurl.com/v7oaexw



Like someone wrote about this song:






"Whenever I want to hear the
lyrics of a song in clear, easily-understood English, I turn to a
Norwegian metal musician."



Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 17, 2019 11:10 PM (ufFY8)

218 Bill Maher needs a conversion experience.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (WI7YS)

Yes, maybe a baptism of sorts.
Hold his head under water until he sees God.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 17, 2019 11:11 PM (z79tQ)

219 Too many stray pets so there's a big campaign to spay and neuter until that's the norm for responsible owners.


the other example of "good intentions" leading to bad results was the very emotionally appealing concept of "no kill" shelters

great idea

now every shelter anymore is 99 percent unadaptable pit bulls

our shelter begs for foster homes for any non-pits. which means you have to basically be constantly available to bring the dog over or have random strangers in your house etc

they have to outsource the "sheltering" part b/c they are full up with terrifying former dogfighters. they'll even foster out the non-psychotic pits, the poor things.

when before the really scary ones that weren't adoptable were... well... I mean this isn't better than that was!

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:11 PM (Rarvo)

220 and here's "Steppin Out" by the Bluesbreakers 1966

https://youtu.be/PkulcvRkd4I

Posted by: booknlass at November 17, 2019 11:13 PM (xIKXj)

221
*polite cough*

Having fostered a good many rescues for our breed, the reason breed rescue is so picky about potential homes is that we want to make sure that once placed means placed once.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 11:13 PM (7rVsF)

222 215 BlackOrchid, are Chows your favorite breed?


I really do love them! They "sync up" with me for some reason.

My favorite breed ever was the German Shorthair Pointer. I had several growing up and used to hunt with them. Sweet, smart and easy to live with. But they need to do stuff, so the Chow is easier for the non-hunting lifestyle. Chows can live in cities, even, they don't need a lot of space or exercise.

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:13 PM (Rarvo)

223 Call up any county animal control website in the country and most available for adoption are pit bull and pit bull mix.
"Oh, but they are such a sweet breed!" yeah, until they rip the throat out of the neighbor's daughter..
"Oh! She must have provoked him! He's so gentle!"
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


What people refuse to face up to, is that breeds of dogs were deliberately bred, often over hundreds of years, to have certain personality traits and characteristics. Dog fighting breeds were bred to attack other dogs. Guard dog breeds, such as Rottweilers and akitas, were bred to protect by attacking anyone they view as a threat.

These dogs shouldn't be owned by half-baked owners like myself, who aren't totally firm and consistent.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2019 11:13 PM (+lVUW)

224 Cicero right now we have both Beach and Fire weather.


Rifle match cancelled this AM ["red flag" fire warning], afternoon did nice walk on the beach. Even for here, this kind of weather in November is kind of amazing. Beach was fairly crowded. Water temp's gone down, due to the wind presumably.


Lifeguards were up to old tricks [to manage/manipulate people], with a new twist. Warning over loudspeaker about developing rip currents [none were visible, and tide timing made them very unlikely]. Twist was reminder to shuffle feet when walking back in [sting rays]. Never heard that one over the PA before, though it's been conventional wisdom for beach/ocean people for decades.


I gather it's not 82 clear and dry everywhere in the country? Did see something on the big screen at the Mexican seafood place showing what looked like weather back east.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 11:14 PM (QDnY+)

225
Actually, the quote was about Take On
Me, but it applies equally to Rolling In The Deep.









Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 17, 2019 11:15 PM (ufFY8)

226 unadaptable pit bulls

lol I meant "unadoptable" - my autocorrect happened!

they may even BE adaptable but no one has the time to really work with them enough to get them socialized..they came from the streets/fighting pits.

it's so bad around philly.

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:15 PM (Rarvo)

227 FUN FACT: Little Rock is often called the Paris of the Central Arkansas River Valley/Ouachita Mountain geological complex.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 10:22 PM (XVuno)


There is a lot of gypsum there?

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 11:17 PM (1glZx)

228 tonypete, have you read that book The Shipping News?

being set in --is it nova scotia or newfoundland?-- the whole culture of the sea life just comes right up to everybody's door in that book

Posted by: booknlass at November 17, 2019 11:18 PM (xIKXj)

229 These dogs shouldn't be owned by half-baked owners like myself, who aren't totally firm and consistent.
Posted by: nerdygirl
------

Shi Tzus were bred to wag their tails, grin, and sleep on the sofa.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 11:18 PM (CDGwz)

230 and Green onions by booker t and the MG's

https://youtu.be/gjgjoSsOvi4

smooth

Posted by: booknlass at November 17, 2019 11:19 PM (xIKXj)

231 I've been subtweeted up the wazoo.

Call it what you like...

Posted by: Surprise Anal Otter at November 17, 2019 11:19 PM (Eax70)

232 Shi Tzus were bred to wag their tails, grin, and sleep on the sofa.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 11:18 PM (CDGwz)

They are cute little rascals.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 11:19 PM (NWiLs)

233 So anyway, I think most dogs in either rescues or shelters probably have issues that led to them ending up there, and should probably go to experienced owners.

It's pretty rare that a really good easy going healthy dog will be available for Joe off the street.

I think first time pet owners are better off looking to shop, at responsible breeders, for a hopefully well tempered pet.

Experienced owners are probably better adopters, in general. Just imo

Posted by: VM's phone at November 17, 2019 11:19 PM (G546f)

234 Shi Tzus were bred to wag their tails, grin, and sleep on the sofa.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 11:18 PM (CDGwz)

It's the ones that'll look you in the eye while wagging tail and smiling at you that are the most dangerous!

Posted by: tbodie at November 17, 2019 11:20 PM (dLr9j)

235 229 These dogs shouldn't be owned by half-baked owners like myself, who aren't totally firm and consistent.
Posted by: nerdygirl
------

Shi Tzus were bred to wag their tails, grin, and sleep on the sofa.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
---------
You forgot and get their human to do anything they want with their adorable face. LOL, mine is snoring on the couch after her second homemade meal of the day.

Nope, she's not spoiled rotten, not one bit.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at November 17, 2019 11:20 PM (+ldAm)

236 I wonder if the poster here who mentions prayer for children is part of this praying mothers group:

https://www.mothersprayers.org/index.php/en/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 11:21 PM (WI7YS)

237
Shi Tzus were bred to wag their tails, grin, and sleep on the sofa.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.


Borzoi were bred over centuries to sleep and to run like the wind up to the car when a ride is in the offing.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 11:21 PM (7rVsF)

238
FUN FACT: Little Rock is often called the Paris of the Central Arkansas River Valley/Ouachita Mountain geological complex.
Posted by: Cicero

There is a lot of gypsum there?
Posted by: Kindltot


Mimes

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 11:22 PM (aKsyK)

239 Thanks for the Jethro, Mis Hum. always a treat

Posted by: Pete Seria at November 17, 2019 11:22 PM (7ZQe3)

240 Bertram, yup.

In fairness, many of the mimes of Little Rock actually CAN'T talk, because all their teeth have already been knocked out by park patrons super-annoyed with the constant "trapped in a box" shtick. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:23 PM (L2ZTs)

241 Think an eagle nicked the grandkids dog. Puncture wound with gash. Nothing 10 stitches and 600 bucks couldn't fix.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at November 17, 2019 11:24 PM (LOq4H)

242 Another lovely mass casualty car bombing in northern Syria, Turkish-proxy-controlled town. Not sure any real solid proof exists of who dunnit. Nice region, though - plausible claims of authorship might well come from *several* outfits, on various sides.


Turks and their friends claiming Kurdish YPG responsible. In any case, the group has been linked to similar outrages in the past [one of the little reasons Turkey is not too excited by the idea of a de facto statelet dominated by this and allied groups in that area].


I'm not too heartbroken that our special operators are not in the middle of such dignified and productive goings-on.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 11:24 PM (QDnY+)

243 Had a Shi Tzu growing up, friend of mine thought he'd be funny and fart on the dog, dog bit him in the ass.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 17, 2019 11:24 PM (4X5xS)

244 197 I think you can find purebreds in breed rescues, but they can be very picky about who is pet worthy - one person has to be at home always, must have fenced yard, vet referrals, etc - some will do home inspections even

*******

I ran into all above requirements when I tried to adopt an english setter or english setter mix from setter rescues. Plus they would not adopt in Fl. Too far. Frustating.

Ended finding the sweetest field english setter at a pointer rescue about four hours from us. We drove to them and back in one day to bring her home. She was super skinny and had been shot at with what the vet thinks was a bb gun (?). Had a sore on one paw from stress licking her paw raw. She was 18 months old at the time.
She has blossomed. She is a gorgeous english setter and a wonderfully sweet and playful dog. We got lucky finding her but it was a lot of work and a pinch of luck.

Posted by: Floridachick at November 17, 2019 11:25 PM (9s6N2)

245 Borzoi were bred over centuries to sleep and to run like the wind up to the car when a ride is in the offing.


I am always curious - how do you keep track of them, do they mostly stay close to home? prey drive?

very high fencing?

I love sighthounds but live in a dense area with lots of traffic - worry a lot about a dog getting out of the yard here - people fly on these roads.

chows don't run maybe for short bursts lol

this morning I was out hiking a bit and I think a group was fox hunting nearby - anyway a hound came running up to me by the creek, totally wild! I chased him back up the hill to where the horn sound was coming from, hopefully he found his way back! silly little guy

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:26 PM (Rarvo)

246 On cold nights like this, I remember the ritual my dad used to have to do when we'd go camping and finally arrive (after 16 hours of driving) to the site:

- Get out and stretch
- Unhitch tent-trailer
- Rassle a bear
- Erect the trailer
- Remove foodstuffs and supplies
- Rassle another bear
- et cetera

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:26 PM (L2ZTs)

247 229 These dogs shouldn't be owned by half-baked owners like myself, who aren't totally firm and consistent.
Posted by: nerdygirl
------

Shi Tzus were bred to wag their tails, grin, and sleep on the sofa.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.


Beagles are also sweet dogs that love people. The thing is, they're not the easiest dog to train because, hound. So, I had managed to get a 2 year old beagle from a rescue group that had fostered her with someone who trained her.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 17, 2019 11:28 PM (+lVUW)

248 And impressive festivities in Iran, and Hong Kong.


Who knows about the former - calling the fall of robust tyrannies is fake science and rare.


Unfortunately the latter pretty much is hopeless. But, along with the massive oppression and abuse of Uyghurs by China, makes for a beautiful backdrop to whichever dipwad country, person, or outfit is sucking up to Beijing in the near future.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 11:28 PM (QDnY+)

249 tonypete, have you read that book The Shipping News?

being set in --is it nova scotia or newfoundland?-- the whole culture of the sea life just comes right up to everybody's door in that book
Posted by: booknlass

---

Not yet - it's next up though. I'm current into "Goodbye to Some" by Gordon Forbes - his novel about Navy use of B24s in the Pacific theater.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 11:29 PM (Y4EXg)

250 On cold nights like this, I remember the ritual my dad used to have to do when we'd go camping and finally arrive (after 16 hours of driving) to the site:

- Get out and stretch
- Unhitch tent-trailer
- Rassle a bear
- Erect the trailer
- Remove foodstuffs and supplies
- Rassle another bear
- et cetera
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:26 PM (L2ZTs)

Nice, but what do you consider a cold night? It's a balmy 37 here.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at November 17, 2019 11:29 PM (Rz2Nc)

251 Odds this is another hate hoax? I'm going with "pretty damn high".

https://tinyurl.com/r8y26oz

Posted by: Bert G at November 17, 2019 11:29 PM (OMsf+)

252 Tull's "concept album", seems not to get the respect I believe it deserves.

"Heavy Horses" is a work best listened to as a whole, rather than individual tracks.

Accompanied by dim lighting, bourbon, cigars and a contemplative attitude.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 17, 2019 11:29 PM (QzJWU)

253 - et cetera
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:26 PM (L2ZTs)

Field Terlit is a good thing.

Terlit seat on a five gallon bucket, bottom sawn off is a good way to do the cat-hole deposit.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 17, 2019 11:30 PM (x8Wzq)

254 Evasive, 37 is considered freezing here in good ol' SoCal.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:30 PM (L2ZTs)

255

We have to be nice to China so we can get 6G.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 11:30 PM (aKsyK)

256 But bring your entrenching tool.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 17, 2019 11:30 PM (x8Wzq)

257 Pug, we had one of those I believe :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:30 PM (L2ZTs)

258 Ugh camping

Posted by: VM's phone at November 17, 2019 11:31 PM (G546f)

259 I watched a yt vid interview today with General Mattis about his book Callsign Chaos-- sounds good, too

Posted by: booknlass at November 17, 2019 11:31 PM (xIKXj)

260 Heavy Horses" is a work best listened to as a whole, rather than individual tracks.

Accompanied by dim lighting, bourbon, cigars and a contemplative attitude.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 17, 2019 11:29 PM (QzJWU)

Love that album! I actually heard "Thick as a Brick, part one" in its entirety a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at November 17, 2019 11:32 PM (Rz2Nc)

261 VM, oh yeah.

With my OCD, teenage attitude and fears of everything I was two tons of fun in a one-ton sack. "I wanna go to Motel 6! I wanna go to Motel 6!! I wanna go to Motel 6!!..." :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:32 PM (L2ZTs)

262 Chinese braised pork belly from earlier this week:
https://tinyurl.com/s52r2pt

Pork belly used to be give away, now it's up to $4/pound, including the skin! Still, very large amount of meat versus what the thieves call bacon these days. Used a 2.5 pound piece, or twice what the recipe called for. Three good manly servings worth. Skin baked to crispy lechon strips for dog treats.

Recipe: used standard amount given rather than doubling the amount given double the meat. It was good. Next time I would use double spices though, save as below.

Rock sugar, no have, used brown cane sugar, about a golf balls worth. Could have used a bit more.

5 spice, I would use 1/2 the amount even with double the meat, for western tastes. We use a pretty aggressive asian made 5 spice, stuff made here may be less powerful.

Used 1 larger star anise rather than 2. A little goes a long way.

Cooked the sauce down a little too far before spooning off the fat, so thinned it with tamari soy sauce which worked and also improved the flavor, likely reflecting the spice:meat ratio as above.

Served with jasmine rice, blanched baby bok choy and a hard boiled egg.

Verdict: Keeper. Adjust as above. Could also be done with a pressure cooker although the slow long timing I think will deepen the flavor. Could also be done with larger chunks of meat in a crock pot and that is what I will try next.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 17, 2019 11:33 PM (Eax70)

263 Unfortunately the latter pretty much is hopeless. But, along with the massive oppression and abuse of Uyghurs by China, makes for a beautiful backdrop to whichever dipwad country, person, or outfit is sucking up to Beijing in the near future.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 11:28 PM (QDnY+)

I find it it hard to be concerned about the fate of Uighurs in China. They are muslims, after all, and would be oppressing the normal Chinese, if they were sufficiently numerous.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 11:35 PM (/sgva)

264 Evasive, 37 is considered freezing here in good ol' SoCal.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:30 PM (L2ZTs)

I wore a sweatshirt to chore this morning. Wife hasn't even declared it sock weather, yet.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at November 17, 2019 11:35 PM (Rz2Nc)

265 221 
*polite cough* 

Having fostered a good many rescues for our breed, the reason breed rescue is so picky about potential homes is that we want to make sure that once placed means placed once


Understandably of course. Too many people adopt and discard dogs. Sad.

Posted by: Floridachick at November 17, 2019 11:35 PM (9s6N2)

266 I have never discarded a dog!

Posted by: Barky Ofuckstick at November 17, 2019 11:36 PM (Eax70)

267 I have never discarded a dog!
Posted by: Barky Ofuckstick at November 17, 2019 11:36 PM (Eax70)


It takes all kinds o' critters to make Farmer Barky's fritters...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:37 PM (L2ZTs)

268 258 Ugh camping

Posted by: VM's phone at November 17, 2019 11:31 PM (G546f)

me and the missus have different ideas about camping. For me it's about how long it would take to get back to a town before I bleed out.

For her it's about the quality of the breakfast layout.

But, then I took her into the Bighorns, and we shared a camp site with a mama moose and her calf. Mrs. Mahon loved it.

She also loved seeing the night sky, more stars than she has ever seen.

Camping! For the Win!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 17, 2019 11:38 PM (x8Wzq)

269 Pug, I wanna camp again.
But I wanna do it in a fully decked-out RV. Basically bring my Motel 6 room with me. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:39 PM (L2ZTs)

270 But I wanna do it in a fully decked-out RV. Basically bring my Motel 6 room with me. :-)


that's what I'm talking about! you camp in a CAMPER! it's even IN THE NAME

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:40 PM (Rarvo)

271 Pug, I wanna camp again.
But I wanna do it in a fully decked-out RV. Basically bring my Motel 6 room with me. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:39 PM (L2ZTs)




You know what sounds a uniquely bad? A camping mome.

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 11:41 PM (HALdu)

272 not so, what if we had a MoMee at the Ahwahnee Hotel? Or say the Grand Canyon?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:42 PM (L2ZTs)

273 that's what I'm talking about! you camp in a CAMPER! it's even IN THE NAME

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H.


If you can't see it from the balcony of ones 25 star hotel, it ain't worth seeing.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at November 17, 2019 11:42 PM (LOq4H)

274 Camping in a rv is the worst of both worlds, not as comfortable as home, not as interesting as camping outside.

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 11:43 PM (HALdu)

275 BlackOrchid, uh, okay :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:43 PM (L2ZTs)

276 not so, I beg to differ. Although I'm sure trying to maneuver those behemoths isn't super fun.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:43 PM (L2ZTs)

277 not so, what if we had a MoMee at the Ahwahnee Hotel? Or say the Grand Canyon?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:42 PM (L2ZTs)



Either way, someone is going to get stabbed a horde camping mome.

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 11:43 PM (HALdu)

278 Pug, I wanna camp again.
But I wanna do it in a fully decked-out RV. Basically bring my Motel 6 room with me. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve

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Yeah, I've pretty much already slept in the dirt enough to last me the rest of my life. But, I do like to be out in the great outdoors. RVs for the win..

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 11:44 PM (Y4EXg)

279 Tony gets it! Obviously a man of fine class and breeding.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:44 PM (L2ZTs)

280 not so, maybe not if we agree to stay at the official national park hotel :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:45 PM (L2ZTs)

281 not so, what if we had a MoMee at the Ahwahnee Hotel? Or say the Grand Canyon?
Posted by: qdpsteve

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Is the Ahwahnee ready for us? That would be fun though. We'd scare the hell out of the German tourists.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 11:45 PM (Y4EXg)

282 249 That's a great book- it was dad's fave and he was in VPB-124

Posted by: MAxIE at November 17, 2019 11:45 PM (9TR2V)

283 Tony gets it! Obviously a man of fine class and breeding.
Posted by: qdpsteve

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YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!

(lol)

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 11:46 PM (Y4EXg)

284 A Monument Valley MoMee would be awesome!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:47 PM (L2ZTs)

285 I have never discarded a dog!
Posted by: Barky Ofuckstick
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Ours knew too much, had to be dealt with. I forget its name.

Also got rid of that nosy cat.

Posted by: Hillary at November 17, 2019 11:48 PM (xSo9G)

286 A Monument Valley MoMee would be awesome!!
Posted by: qdpsteve

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If we don't stop at the world's largest ball of string or a Muffler Man roadside attraction, I am gonna be po'd.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 11:48 PM (Y4EXg)

287 Pug, I wanna camp again.
But I wanna do it in a fully decked-out RV. Basically bring my Motel 6 room with me. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:39 PM (L2ZTs)

My son and I met up on Grand Mesa, Colorado last August. He lives in Utah. I pitched my tent, Josh pitched his tent. I built a nest of blankets and sleeping bags. I slept like a baby. Despite being 29 or so, I remembered why I love camping so much.

Shit. Reminded me of camping in the wilderness around the headwaters of the Greybull river.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 17, 2019 11:49 PM (x8Wzq)

288 Tony, that's your choice on the way.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone showed up in an exact replica of Clark Griswold's giant green station wagon...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:49 PM (L2ZTs)

289 284 A Monument Valley MoMee would be awesome!!
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:47 PM (L2ZTs)

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Yeah, but only for the acronym.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 11:49 PM (XVuno)

290 Cicero, MoVaMoMee?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:51 PM (L2ZTs)

291 ..not so, what if we had a MoMee at the Ahwahnee Hotel? Or say the Grand Canyon?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:42 PM (L2ZTs)



VETOED!


No proper outdoors oriented Mo Meet can rightfully exist in an area where the free use of arms is prohibited.

I'd be all for a "camping" Mo Meet.

Doing so in conjunction with the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot would be fun, but impossible. All the camping sites are booked years in advance.

But, that'd be the general idea of it, anyway.

The site of the Tx Mo Meet in Corsicana might prove amenable to a fleet of RVs and pitched tents. If not on the ranch itself, well hell, there's no shortage of RV parks and campsites in the area.

Just meetup at the ranch for your daily dosage of shooty goodness, incredible food, endless drinks and wonderful company.

But NO "State" or "National" parks.

They might welcome us, but they damn sure don't welcome our interests or activities.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 17, 2019 11:52 PM (QzJWU)

292 Cicero, MoVaMoMee?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:51 PM (L2ZTs)

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Chief MoVaMoMee and his braves fought the U.S. Cavalry at Ouachita Mountain in '88. Ended up selling tamales in New Mexico.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 11:53 PM (XVuno)

293 Jim, I'd think it depends on the state.
But, hmmm...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:53 PM (L2ZTs)

294 Hey fappers and fapperettes. Won't be sticking around long but wanted to say hi.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 11:54 PM (NWiLs)

295 Posted by: Jim at November 17, 2019 11:52 PM (QzJWU)

Veedauwoo, Wyoming.

hell, almost anywhere in Wyoming.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 17, 2019 11:54 PM (x8Wzq)

296 Bill dick nose is and always been a piece of shit.

Posted by: Summer of Love at November 17, 2019 11:54 PM (FJrl0)

297

Ahh yes, RVing. Parked 15 feet away from the next RV. Enjoying the great outdoors surround by a hundred more RVs. Sitting outside in your camp chair trying not to make eye contact with toothless JoeBob who's dying to tell you about his time in the Corp during the Korean War serving as a frontline lifeguard at the 29 Palms swimming pool while listening to the dipshit on the other side of you screaming while trying to start his 10,000 watt genset he thinks he needs 'to really be sure he can charge batteries and run the TV at the same time' which he failed to store properly after the last trip he was on and which now has all cylinders cold welded in place. And oh look, her comes the park owners wife who made it REAL clear when you checked in that there would be a LARGE discount if you'd "show her around inside your rig for an hour or so." But hey, she's vaping now rather than chewing when you checked in, and she's shaved her pits, so maybe she washed her vajayjay too...

The RV life, how can you resist?

Posted by: Hydraulic Jack at November 17, 2019 11:54 PM (Eax70)

298 Wyoming works for me. I wanna see it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:55 PM (L2ZTs)

299 ..Hey fappers and fapperettes. Won't be sticking around long but wanted to say hi.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 11:54 PM (NWiLs)



Y'all type quietly. Seems Insomniac is finally catching up on some long overdue sleep.


/snrk


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 17, 2019 11:55 PM (QzJWU)

300 Hey fappers and fapperettes. Won't be sticking around long but wanted to say hi.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 11:54 PM (NWiLs)

*nods*

'sup.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 17, 2019 11:56 PM (x8Wzq)

301 Hydraulic Jack, I didn't say anything about staying at the KOA :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:56 PM (L2ZTs)

302 Hello Insomniac!

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at November 17, 2019 11:56 PM (Rz2Nc)

303 I would camp in an RV but I'd only stay in Wal-Mart parking lots.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 11:57 PM (XVuno)

304 not so, what if we had a MoMee at the Ahwahnee Hotel? Or say the Grand Canyon?
Ahwanee starts at close to $400 a night. Grand Canyon depends on which hotel you book into, but you can easily match the Ahwanee for cost. You're less likely to get arrested using the wrong pronouns at the Grand Canyon, so there is a bail differential to consider.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at November 17, 2019 11:58 PM (xkSJa)

305 Jeff Beck- A Day in the Life.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 11:58 PM (RuIsu)

306 Blanco, true, those hotels are often booked way in advance and expensive.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:59 PM (L2ZTs)

307 hi Insomn, nice to see you

Posted by: booknlass at November 17, 2019 11:59 PM (xIKXj)

308 300 Hey fappers and fapperettes. Won't be sticking around long but wanted to say hi.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 11:54 PM (NWiLs)

*nods*

'sup.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 17, 2019 11:56 PM (x8Wzq)

"...and Jesus 'supped with his disciples."

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 12:00 AM (NWiLs)

309 South Padre Island, TX, is the ideal RV camping site.

If, that is, your version of "ideal" is to get murdified by ratfucking illegal aliens who bury you in a shallow grave and thereafter drive your stolen truck into Mexico to sell it for 1/10th it's value, at best.

I'd love to spend a season cruising about in a large Class A RV. Damned though if I'd be unarmed for a bare minute, beginning to end.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2019 12:00 AM (QzJWU)

310 I've camped, a lot. Most of eastern U.S., Canada a bit.

Ground cold, hard. Probably never camping again. Takes too long to get coffee in the morning.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 18, 2019 12:01 AM (CDGwz)

311 Y'all type quietly. Seems Insomniac is finally catching up on some long overdue sleep.

I'm gonna give it the ol' college try anyway. And by college try I mean with the assistance of modern medicine.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 12:01 AM (NWiLs)

312 Hey Peter. Pass over them crackers.

Posted by: Jesus H. Christ at November 18, 2019 12:01 AM (XVuno)

313 Wyoming works for me. I wanna see it.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 11:55 PM (L2ZTs)

The coolest thing about Wyoming is most people base their opinion on I-80. Fucking desolation. Look at places like Sheridan, Newcastle, Ten Sleep, Kemmerer, Dubois. Wyoming is the most amazing state that nobody knows about, outside of Jackson and Cody. Jackson is fucked. Alas, Cody, my home town is not far behind. Fucking leftists.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 18, 2019 12:01 AM (x8Wzq)

314 Blanco, true, those hotels are often booked way in advance and expensive.
I think Jim's got the right idea anyways. Camp in friendly territory. Preferably where there's many tax stamp holders for full auto nearby.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at November 18, 2019 12:01 AM (xkSJa)

315 302 Hello Insomniac!
Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at November 17, 2019 11:56 PM (Rz2Nc)

Hiya!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 12:01 AM (NWiLs)

316 307 hi Insomn, nice to see you
Posted by: booknlass at November 17, 2019 11:59 PM (xIKXj)

Nice to be seen!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 12:02 AM (NWiLs)

317 "...and Jesus 'supped with his disciples."
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 12:00 AM (NWiLs)

Judas, however, told everyone he was a vegan.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 18, 2019 12:04 AM (x8Wzq)

318 They might welcome us, but they damn sure don't welcome our interests or activities.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 17, 2019 11:52 PM (QzJWU)

You can "dry camp" with RV's at many sites in the West on State or BLM land, and if you are sufficiently remote from parks or occupied areas, shooting would OK, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2019 12:04 AM (/sgva)

319 I've camped, a lot. Most of eastern U.S., Canada a bit.

Ground cold, hard. Probably never camping again. Takes too long to get coffee in the morning.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 18, 2019 12:01 AM (CDGwz)

My wife used to rock climb. She's camped around the world's shit holes. I'm ok with that. On a good week she'll come to the lake cottage, which has indoor plumbing, heat, and AC. Lol

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at November 18, 2019 12:05 AM (Rz2Nc)

320 Judas, however, told everyone he was a vegan.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 18, 2019 12:04 AM (x8Wzq)

Jesus did CrossFit.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 12:05 AM (NWiLs)

321 Jesus did CrossFit.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 12:05 AM (NWiLs)

Well, he was rockin' the abs...

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 18, 2019 12:06 AM (x8Wzq)

322

We need a camping Mome fur sure.

Someplace we can do... sacrifices... of mimes...

If you gut a mime in a forest, can you hear them scream?

Posted by: Hydraulic Jack at November 18, 2019 12:07 AM (Eax70)

323 AOP, hmmm

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2019 12:07 AM (L2ZTs)

324 You can "dry camp" with RV's at many sites in the West on State or BLM land, and if you are sufficiently remote from parks or occupied areas, shooting would OK, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2019 12:04 AM (/sgva)




not so sure camping without lube is a good idea, epecially at a mome.

Posted by: not so at November 18, 2019 12:08 AM (HALdu)

325 If you gut a mime in a forest, can you hear them scream?

Anyone happen to have a mime and a forest? This is an important question that needs to be answered.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at November 18, 2019 12:13 AM (xkSJa)

326 If you gut a mime in a forest, can you hear them scream?




not when the chainsaw is running

Posted by: not so at November 18, 2019 12:14 AM (HALdu)

327 ..You can "dry camp" with RV's at many sites in the West on State or BLM land, and if you are sufficiently remote from parks or occupied areas, shooting would OK, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2019 12:04 AM (/sgva)




Let's see. Publish location and date for REMOTE Mo Meet. Dry camping. Distant services.

RSVPs? Half-dozen? Dozen?

Actual arrivals? Uh huh.

I'll stick with the Tx Mo Meet, but would also gladly attend the Ohio venue, (mostly held at a pub, but with shooting at a formal facility earlier in the day, as I understand it?)

And I'd go to an East Coast or Mid-Atlantic Mo Meet, just because of longstanding nics in the Horde.

Don't know how I'd blend a CA/CO Mo Meet, but there needs to be one, such.

And yes, the Frozen North needs be represented, too.

I'd wager that campsites 'round Sturgis would be damn near free, on non-Bike Week dates.

Splendorous scenery, plenty of services, bargain-basement rates from near-desperate retailers grasping for sales after the half-million bikes depart the A/O, and excellent roads leading to and from.

Bet it would take small effort too, finding out a welcoming place to put tens of thousands of rounds downrange.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2019 12:16 AM (QzJWU)

328 Wouldn't you think a mome, properly done should be more like Sturgis?

Posted by: not so at November 18, 2019 12:17 AM (HALdu)

329 Traveled to Casper, Wyoming for the 2017 eclipse. Great time with great people clearly pleased to share their town with the rest of the country for a few days.

Posted by: Joe Kidd at November 18, 2019 12:17 AM (5WpEK)

330 ..Wouldn't you think a mome, properly done should be more like Sturgis?

Posted by: not so at November 18, 2019 12:17 AM (HALdu)



Sturgis ENVIES the Tx Mo Meet.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2019 12:19 AM (QzJWU)

331 Ben Avery near Phoenix has camping on site. Not sure how many gun ranges offer that.


Just don't book for late May, June, July, August or early September.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targeting at November 18, 2019 12:22 AM (xkSJa)

332 Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2019 12:16 AM (QzJWU)

If you ever come to an Ohio Ohio MoMe, if you go a little further east and north, you can shoot anything you want. Plenty of space here, and hillsides.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at November 18, 2019 12:22 AM (Rz2Nc)

333 "Shi Tzus were bred to wag their tails, grin, and sleep on the sofa.

Posted by: Mike Hammer"

Aren't Ewoks just giant Shi Tzus with spears?

Posted by: Ripley at November 18, 2019 12:22 AM (NbRJx)

334

Used to live a bit south of Sturgis.

The area is used for a few other things when the bikes are gone, but not much.

Close to TRULY beautiful areas.

Shooting, zero problems, and Black Hills Ammunition would probably bring a supply trailer. Seriously.

Rapid City airport is a treat to get in/out of with firearms. All the TSA dudes are shooters. Nearly painless.

Fly in, rent an RV - yes you can do this any day of the week - and it's Rolling Thunder RV style.

Or camp, fabulous places around there.

Good idea Jim, as usual...

Posted by: Hydraulic Jack at November 18, 2019 12:22 AM (Eax70)

335 Goodnight all!

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at November 18, 2019 12:24 AM (Rz2Nc)

336 Well, I gave the F150 a bath, and vacuumed dog hair and sand out of the interior, and took some pics, and put it up for sale on a classified ad site. Will see if I get any bites on it. It runs fine, but it is surplus to my real needs, and my original intent in getting it was to fix it up for resale. As a truck, it makes a very nice comfy touring car. The pickup box is a joke.

And I made more progress on the poor wretched Panhard. Front floor mats are back in, both floorboard and toeboard, with plastic bubble insulating sheet under them. Front seat is back in, and the slide rails work. And the seat belts are in, and bolted through the floor (and through the added U-channel below) with 7/16" fine thread bolts, double-nutted. It's really starting to look like a car again.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2019 12:25 AM (/sgva)

337 ..
Aren't Ewoks just giant Shi Tzus with spears?

Posted by: Ripley at November 18, 2019 12:22 AM (NbRJx)



The opposite, actually. Shi Tzus are midget Ewoks who have given up the way of the Shelf and the Spear.

Once they learned that smiling and wagging was the way to a bottomless food bowl and access to warm laps, well, they did what Darwin predicted.

They ADAPTED.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


*appendix* and in so doing, lost the all-too-visible costume zipper down their spinal areas.

Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2019 12:26 AM (QzJWU)

338 Goodnight all, thanks for the fun chat tonight!
Please keep me posted on a possible camping/RVing MoMee, sounds intriguing.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2019 12:28 AM (L2ZTs)

339 ..Please keep me posted on a possible camping/RVing MoMee, sounds intriguing.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 18, 2019 12:28 AM (L2ZTs)



Keep you "POSTED?"

Bloody hell, it was your IDEA to begin with.

You're hereby appointed the AoS Chief RV Wrangler and Bottle Washer, Scheduler and all around Camping Mo Meet Maven whut be in CHARGE!

Now, snap to it, Moron!

*did I do that right?*



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2019 12:31 AM (QzJWU)

340 AoP.. willya send me an email with a link to your ad?

Oh, and is the dashboard on that thing calibrated in U.S. units of measure, or is it demarked in the inspired by French madness quataloo increments?


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2019 12:35 AM (QzJWU)

341 yes, I'd say you did that right, Jim!

heh.

Goodnight!

Posted by: booknlass at November 18, 2019 12:35 AM (xIKXj)

Gun Thread: Mail Call!! [Weasel]

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Dayum! You people really hit the ol' Gun Thread mailbox hard this week! So much so, you all have pretty well written the thread your own bad selves! Thank you, thank you, thank you!! And this means I get to use the lonely mailbox picture again! Life is bueno, amigos and amigettes. Without further introductory blabbering on my part, lets get right to it, shall we?

First we have this story and question sent in by our pal ibguy whose friend Sam had a recent confrontation:

Sam's story:

"How sad. I suppose civility is truly dead with the younger generation. As many of you know, I live downtown above my business (really cool). This afternoon a young man parked next to me in my small parking lot (right next to a massive, public lot). Normally I am not bothered (I don't care about such things) BUT my wife was leaving soon and was uncomfortable that someone was parking in our lot after hours. I get it. Women should be concerned about their safety and it was odd that he parked where he did - considering that the large, public lot was closer to where it turned out he was working). There is a prominently displayed no parking during non-business hours sign (tow sign specifying parking in our lot after-hours may cause your vehicle to be towed - pretty standard stuff for businesses).

So, I go out.

I don't see anyone around and as I'm starting to take a phone pic of his license plate, this young man comes running up to me - threatening to "knock my teeth out" and "shoot me" if I don't get away from his car. He was around the corner of a nearby building taking pictures of a young girl. I was surprised. He was a very nice-looking young man who I would think was taught better manners and behavior.

I tend to do the unconventional when surprised. I spread my arms wide and told him to go ahead and hit or shoot an old, fat man. He continued to threaten me as he (and she) entered the car and drove off. OK, his camera was a digital SLR and he had a nice car. He was well groomed and nicely dressed (as was she). So, I didn't think I was dealing with any sort of thuggery. But his vehemence made me wonder how his Mother raised someone who felt so entitled as to do such actions without permission. I am a BIG believer in entrepreneurship. So, had he asked I would certainly given him "run" of the entire place. Ah well, we move on."

Here's my question; draw or no (not necessarily shoot)?

Well that's an interesting problem. Sam was threatened with bodily harm, but apparantly no weapon was evident. What do you all think? Was there enough provocation there for Sam to draw a weapon, or would you have done as Sam did and try to diffuse the situation another way? As you consider your answer, think about how a prosecutor might spin this to a jury if things had escalated and the troublemaker had been shot.

*******

Next we have a range report from our pal That Deplorable SOB Van Owen:

I had an interesting and instructive visit to our range yesterday.

I had saved my nickels and saved my dimes and finally got the scratch together to indulge my lust for a brand new Colt Combat Elite Commander in .45 ACP. 4.25" barrel, ambi safety, for my southpawness, and Novak night sights that I can actually SEE. Excited as Ralphie with his Red Ryder, I took it with a bunch of ammo to break it in some.

Functioned great with 230 grain hardball from Speer, Remington, and of course Winchester White Box. Not a hiccup with Winchester PDX1, which I use as my defensive load. Then I tried some TulAmmo that I had.

First round . . . POP. Not good, I sez to myself. I drop the mag, point the muzzle in a safe direction, and wait a decent interval. Jack out the round and see that the primer detonated, but not the powder. Maybe an aberration, I tell myself. Fire another couple of rounds without incident, then on the third round I notice that the recoil was very light, and I swear I heard a sizzling sound.. I couldn't tell if the slide had cycled or not. So I drop the mag and wait again. Pull back the slide. No round in the chamber, and no (Thank God!) round stuck in the barrel.

I may be dumb, but I ain't stupid. I unloaded the TulAmmo and decided to consign the remainder of the box to the bottom of the lake where I may have an unfortunate canoeing accident if Blackface Northam gets his legislative agenda passed. Interestingly enough the TulAmmo wasn't ancient, maybe three years old, and had been stored in good conditions in the same metal GI ammo box as the Speer that I shot. Inspection of the rounds themselves showed no evidence of corrosion or other problems.

This was the second incident I've had with TulAmmo. The first was 5.56 mm that had consistent failure to extract from my S&W M&P 15. I know lots of people swear by TulAmmo, but I will never buy that Russkie crap again. BTW, the gun shot better than I do. Much more practice is indicated!

Great report. Thanks That Deplorable SOB Van Owen! I've used TulAmmo some in 7.62x39 for plinking purposes, and haven't had a problem. I doubt I'd ever choose it for carry ammo, but for goofing around it seems OK. How about you all? What has your experience been with TulAmmo? Good, bad, or indifferent?

Here's a pic of TDSOBVO's neww shootin' iron. Congratulations on the Colt!

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We also have a picture of the offending cartridge. Anyone see a problem with the primer?

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Next up we have a tree stand report from our pal Eromero al BigDaddy:
Big Buck probably said ‘Damn the free corn. That position is held by Isis, steer well clear of it’. I only saw does and young bucks this past week. But that 6 point will look pretty damn legal on the last day of deer season in January.

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Word of your lethal bad-assery has reached the East Texas deer population! Thanks Eromero aB!

*******

Next we have a cleaning tip from our pal Neon Madman:

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A recent article in American Rifleman about gun cleaning had mentioned using small Dixie cups to hold cleaning solvent for patches and brushes, so as not to contaminate the main bottle by dipping dirty brushes into it.

Something that I have found to be very useful over the years is a solvent pump bottle, available for a few bucks from Amazon or various industrial suppliers. Put some solvent in it, and a pump or two gives you a nice little pool of solvent for wetting patches, swabs, or brushes. When done, either close the cap and put it on the shelf, or pour the unused (and still clean) solvent back into the main bottle. They work great and also prevent the nasty type of mess you would get knocking over an open bottle of #9. The pic shows a bottle along with a .38 caliber swab, another handy item for working with revolvers.

Great tip! Thanks Neon Madman!

*******

Link-O-Rama

White Oak Armament: Black Friday Sale Preview
NRA Range Test: Savage 110 Storm Rifle
NRA Range Test: Springfield Armory Hellcat
Keefe Report: Taurus G3 9mm
Georgia Arms: Buy Ammo
Shooting Sports USA: Springfield Armory XD-E 9mm
Shooting Sports USA: Finding Your Natural Aiming Area (Natural Point of Aim)

***Mail Bag***

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Winston Churchill's 1911 - - h/t CBD

Guess who was a 1911 fan? From the Churchill War Rooms of the Imperial War Museum in London. If you're in London, CBD reports the museum is worth a visit. Thanks CBD!

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Please note the new and improved gmail account morongunthread at gmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM




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1 Yay!!! Gun thread, now content

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:00 PM (ZfBVE)

2 Whoo hoo ( fires 6 shooters in the air)

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:02 PM (ZCEU2)

3 On time, on target!

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 07:03 PM (DMUuz)

4 1st?

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:04 PM (NqeSm)

5 read the Fing content like a n00b.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:04 PM (NqeSm)

6 Even on topic now:


500 Mark (Anvil) from C&Rsenal takes a Dardick apart and tries to make ammo for it:

https://tinyurl.com/y7fenkpj

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 07:05 PM (ycWCI)

7 Heh, willowed:

498 Moron Robbie

Condolence food: https://youtu.be/-YFRUSTiFUs

Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:05 PM (EHVbt)

8 Sam's story - IMO no

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:06 PM (ZCEU2)

9 in Sam's case, i'd bet that, had things gotten sporty, the young lady, weeping copiously would have testified they diddunuffin and the mean old racist threatened them...

then they would have sued for civil damages.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (NqeSm)

10 Also: Thanks for the H/T, Weasel.

*After* I sent that, Sam noted that he *does* carry. So, question still stands, but new info.

Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (EHVbt)

11 Gunga la gunga !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (arJlL)

12 No Skeet Surfin' ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (arJlL)

13 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)

14 "We also have a picture of the offending cartridge. Anyone see a problem with the primer?"

He bought a Gyrojet? LUCKY!

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (t+qrx)

15 I don't think I would have drawn given Sam's situation but I really don't know. I do think a DA would have looked hard at Sam if he did and at least a 'Brandishing' or some such charge would have been forthcoming. Sad.

But, I'm slow to draw. It's my nature. Perhaps too slow - I truly want it to be my last resort.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (Y4EXg)

16 Where does the soul of a rifle reside? I have a new upper and lower receiver for Betty but I'm wondering if it should be a different girl.

https://flic.kr/p/2hLi24w

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (yQpMk)

17 "This was the second incident I've had with TulAmmo. The first was 5.56
mm that had consistent failure to extract from my SW MP 15. I
know lots of people swear by TulAmmo, but I will never buy that Russkie
crap again. BTW, the gun shot better than I do. Much more practice is
indicated!"

Tulammo is verboten on any range that I have been to. It's garbage and has a bad reputation.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (JUOKG)

18 Would the situation have been diffused, or is the word you're looking for defused?

Posted by: Pedantist at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (HddOg)

19 *After* I sent that, Sam noted that he *does* carry. So, question still stands, but new info.
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (EHVbt)

People are assholes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (ycWCI)

20 I wonder if that drives the pampered perfumed princes and princesses of print absolutely nuts.

Winston Churchill was a reporter and knew how to use a firearm.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:10 PM (UQbq+)

21 My experience with Tula (the box says TulAmmo but that runs together the words. The manufacturer is Tula) is with 9mm steelcase.

In the words of The Critic: it's crap!

My KelTec PF9s really hate it. Lots of FTF, misfire, or not enough recoil to release the next rounds.

My Sig P226 which I thought would eat anything was not thrilled with it.

I have a Ruger P95 that has no problem with it though.

Go figure.

Still, it's crap.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:10 PM (ZfRYq)

22 Thanks for the input, folks!

I really don't know what I would have done.

Ive always been taught that one does not draw unless one intends to fire, but...

Still not sure.

Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:10 PM (EHVbt)

23 60 Minutes investigates the Red Flag laws tonight.

Wonder how fair that will be

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:11 PM (ZCEU2)

24 So, I had a range report today. It was actually a mini MoMeet and shoot in NYC of all places.
Through the comments sections of the gun thread 2 weeks ago going over the trials and tribulations of me getting a NYC handgun permit, moron RBL reached out to me and invited to get together and do a little shooting at the West Side Pistol & Rifle range in Manhattan.
Well I met up with him today at around 10 pm with my Sig in tow and proceeded to have a GREAT time shooting.
RPL was VERY helpful in showing me the proper stance and how to best grip the gun. I can honestly say I think the reason my shots are low and left have to do with my grip and my tendency to flinch now and then.
I sent close to 100 rounds down range and his guidance definitely helped get a lot of them in the scoring ring (though I had an aversion to hitting the triangle 6 on one of the targets) LOL

I look forward to meeting and shooting with RPL again and if there are any other morons in NYC that are shooters maybe we can try to get together for a larger MoMeet and shoot.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:12 PM (ZfBVE)

25 I have not been to the range this week, it was raining and cold, but I do need to check out my newest acquisition; my first AR-15 in 6.8SPC. But first, I need to get some ammo for it.

The last time we went to the range was 2 weeks ago. Mrs Hades is still loving her new Sig 365XL and I am carrying my Glock 36 again after putting 300 rounds through the new barrel without the FTE issues it had been previously plagued with.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (T8A10)

26 Tul Ammo, you get what you pay for. What drunk Ivan shat out on Monday in other words.

I have heard never to put aluminum ammo in magazines for extended periods, that it will swell.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (UQbq+)

27 Weasel's mail box I see besides getting lots of mail has stopped a few rounds

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZCEU2)

28 I would imagine TulAmmo in an AK would be okay. Commie junk ammo in commie junk rifle. Match made in heaven.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZfRYq)

29

Did you get the Tulammo from some guy with snot running down his nose?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 07:14 PM (aKsyK)

30 22 Thanks for the input, folks!

I really don't know what I would have done.

Ive always been taught that one does not draw unless one intends to fire, but...

Still not sure.
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:10 PM (EHVbt)
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I'm thinking I'd have just backed off and put some distance between us. If he started toward me, then I'd rethink the problem.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

31
60 Minutes investigates the Red Flag laws tonight.

Can they put a pyrotechnic device in?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:14 PM (UQbq+)

32 1st story - I'd say a draw and hold in low ready while telling him to stay back would have been appropriate.

2nd story - I've had the same issue with Tula in my AR. My ol' PTR 91 didn't mind it. The low price is not worth the inaccuracy nor the fouling it creates.

No shooting this weekend but I did, after 3 hours, get a G model decocker kit installed on my 92 FS. Launched two springs into the nether regions of my garage, went full RAGE MODE, and then enlisted wife to help search. 5 minutes later, she found one and saved me having to purchase another kit! Thanks, honey!

Posted by: Doc Samson at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM (ZZtOH)

33 TulAmmo is made for AK's, which are made for savages to operate.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM (UUkQp)

34 Weasel's mail box I see besides getting lots of mail has stopped a few rounds
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZCEU2)

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They hate that mailbox.

Posted by: Navin Johnson at November 17, 2019 07:16 PM (XVuno)

35 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:12 PM (ZfBVE)
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Very cool. Glad you guys were able to get together and do some shooting!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

36
60 Minutes investigates the Red Flag laws tonight.

Wonder how fair that will be
Posted by: Skip


I suppose it will depend upon who is most affected by them.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 07:16 PM (aKsyK)

37 30 Weasel

I like that.

De-escalate, see what happens. Thanks!

Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:16 PM (EHVbt)

38 23 60 Minutes investigates the Red Flag laws tonight.

Wonder how fair that will be
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:11 PM

I haven't watched that show in 30 years, but my guess is that they will want to push it to all 57 states.

Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (Z3oWA)

39 Anna - have mentioned you a few times over the week. Said if you didn't play war games, or had a collection of WWII models it would be a shame

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (ZCEU2)

40 32 Doc

I kinda like *that*, too!

Thanks!

Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (EHVbt)

41 I have shot Tulammo in my 308 VEPR and my AK. I think they are built to handle crap steelcase as I have had no problems.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (yQpMk)

42 13 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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This is a great question!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

43 Anna Puma-

Check out a book called RED METAL, by Mark Greaney.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 07:18 PM (arJlL)

44 Where does the soul of a rifle reside? I have a new
upper and lower receiver for Betty but I'm wondering if it should be a
different girl.



https://flic.kr/p/2hLi24w

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (yQpMk)

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looks like an A1 upper and lower....get a 1:12 0r 1:14 barrel, a fixed stock, some triangular hand guards and go Olde Skool!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:18 PM (NqeSm)

45 Are there any good slings for rifles without swivels?

Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:19 PM (Z3oWA)

46 TulAmmo is made for AK's, which are made for savages to operate.





Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM

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I ran a couple of mags of that stuff in 9mm through my ruger Lc9 because it was some cheap range ammo.


I had one spent case get stuck in the chamber that took a wooden rod and a hammer to pound it back out.


Never again.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 07:19 PM (JUOKG)

47
No shooting this weekend but I did, after 3 hours, get a G model decocker kit installed on my 92 FS. Launched two springs into the nether regions of my garage, went full RAGE MODE, and then enlisted wife to help search. 5 minutes later, she found one and saved me having to purchase another kit! Thanks, honey!
Posted by: Doc Samson at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM (ZZtOH)
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Have you tried the assembly/disassembly inside a ziplock trick?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

48 War games? You mean like 'Here is your LBE, here is your K-Pot, here is your M-16A2, and other there is your fighting position.' That kind of thing? Been there and don't have the t-shirt.

Build all kinds of things. Right now resisting buying a Special Hobby 1/48 scale Viggen after watching some videos of that beast.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:20 PM (UQbq+)

49 looks like an A1 upper and lower....get a 1:12 0r 1:14 barrel, a fixed stock, some triangular hand guards and go Olde Skool!


Good eye, it is indeed an A1 lower from Nodak via Brownells. I have all of that so I am going full retro on this one, though I much prefer the A2 round handguards.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 07:20 PM (yQpMk)

50 With a SW 357/38 revolver things go boom every time. I am a keep it simple stupid guy because I am simple.

Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:21 PM (kO3Bf)

51 The leftists intend to disarm peaceable, ordinary everyday Americans and render them defenseless. Not crooks, organized criminals, gangbangers, the psychotic looney-toons and the rest of it.

If you hadn't noticed.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 07:21 PM (HddOg)

52 Anna if you saw some of those games yesterday at the war game convention I think you would have been impressed

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:22 PM (ZCEU2)

53 42 13 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada

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I don't pay for the lane either and, like you, go often. BUT - mine is an indoor range and I can't draw and shoot, or shoot from any position other than strong hand, or rapid fire, or have the targets approach me, no drills, etc., etc.

What I am trying to say is there is nothing real world about most of my shooting. Getting to a range that allows real world situations is problematic.

I don't know the point of my rant - just sounding off I guess.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:22 PM (Y4EXg)

54 Mr Scott @ 46- I gave away a 1K rd case of TulAmmo 5.56. I won't shoot it in any of my stuff, not even a piston-driven Adams.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:22 PM (UUkQp)

55 As far as the amount of ammo expended at the range I myself like to shoot a minimum of 100 rounds but then again I am new at all this.

It also depends on what you are shooting.
When shooting with my nephew and using his firearms I can easily shoot 200 rounds on the handgun range, a hundred or so through his AR15, Less than a dozen through his .308 and the skeet range sees us doing around 100 shotgun

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:23 PM (ZfBVE)

56
I don't pay for the lane either and, like you, go often. BUT - mine is an indoor range and I can't draw and shoot, or shoot from any position other than strong hand, or rapid fire, or have the targets approach me, no drills, etc., etc.

What I am trying to say is there is nothing real world about most of my shooting. Getting to a range that allows real world situations is problematic.

I don't know the point of my rant - just sounding off I guess.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:22 PM (Y4EXg)
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No, that's a good point, Tp. Have you ever considered something like IDPA?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

57 Here is a story. Sra blaster works with a woman who resides in NJ.

This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.

This is the real threat as I suspect this person is not alone his crazy, and the internet allows such crazies to congregate and coordinate.

Also, it should go without mentioning, but my troubles with TulAmmo were before all of my weapons had that unfortunate canoe incident.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:25 PM (ZfRYq)

58 This is a decent eye dropper chemical resistant bottle:

https://www.mcmaster.com/solvent-bottles

specifically

shorturl.at/jkO39

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (BiNEL)

59 From the two email situations:

Given the crap DAs typical these days (fvck the victim, protect the aggressor) brandishing could cause all sorts of problems. I might still have called the cops, using the license plate for an ID. He sounds like an attack waitong to happen. The cops probably can't do anything from this encounter but it could give them some info for the future.

As to the Tulammo, I have used it fairly often for plinking with no problems. But those failures would make me dump it and maybe notify the company of a bad batch. Also, is that a Berdan primer pocket in the photo?

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (bmdz3)

60 I would say you handled mr parking lot douche exactly right. No need to escalate or threaten. He remains a douche, as he would in any likely scenario, but he left your lot. Good bye, mr douche. The end.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (W+eo0)

61 This week was Vz week.

Vz.58 that is. I have one surplus Czech Army in 7.62 X 39 and one sporter version in 5.56. Both run well and and are very accurate and fun to shoot. The surplus rifle has the beaver barf stock and handguards and I shot a couple of hundred rounds of Norinco ammo with no issues. Dirty stuff. The sporter is all mattel plastic with the AR stock which slides back and forth to get you in the mood. Very accurate and almost no recoil with her. I believe these sporter models are big in Canada since they ban just about anything else up there in our hat. I only shot them out to 100 yards this week but will take them out to distance next week.

As far as Sam goes, no draw/shoot. Just tell the young punk to move his ass off of your property.

As far as pistol ammo goes, don't go cheap. Live a little.
I shoot crap surplus ammo all the time but not in my pistols if I can help it. TulAmmo is not the way to go for your handguns.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (Z+IKu)

62 Not a big shotgun fan, although I own a 870 for home defense. #4 buck.

Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (kO3Bf)

63 TulAmmo is made for AK's, which are made for savages to operate.

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This is true.

I'm a savage, and I fucking love my Zastava-Kragujevac. Tul works fine in it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (5aX2M)

64 Weasel, I haven't but that certainly is a good idea. I have the time these days. I'll look into it - thanks!

It's either something like that or buying a 200 acre place and setting up my own.

Hmmm. . . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (Y4EXg)

65 Out of tolerance ammo works good with out of tolerance rifle.
You do have to kinda admire the Russian KISS on weapons for dumb Russian populace.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (pw+jk)

66 I've never hated a firearm enough to feed it Tula ammo.

I've thought about getting a crappy SKS or an AK and feeding it that crap. It appeals to the sadist in me.

But then I think: or I could buy a decent gun I don't despise enough to hate-shoot.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)

67 Of course you might want to put up a new sign stating where you park is private parking. Violators will be towed.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (UQbq+)

68 Hey everybody.

My advice to Sam, next time he sees that car in his lot, have it towed immediately.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)

69 And Weasel, those pictures were taken on a damn cold ETEX day, cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey. I couldn't feel my toes.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (UUkQp)

70 Great thread, as usual.

Just a quick note then off I go.

I was getting my sling set up for the M1 Garand High Power Match/Turkey Shoot that will take place next Saturday.

Much to my chagrin, while the sling looked good, as a functional aid to marksmanship, it was useless.

So, off to Youtube and after much stop, configure, then start, yours truly has a functional sling for shooting.

As for the shooter, well, I expect to have fun shooting the match.

Til next weekend!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 17, 2019 07:29 PM (WEBkv)

71
. Also, is that a Berdan primer pocket in the photo?
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (bmdz3)
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That was my first thought too, JTB, but I think it's the primer anvil minus the cup.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

72 The leftists intend to disarm peaceable, ordinary everyday Americans and render them defenseless. Not crooks, organized criminals, gangbangers, the psychotic looney-toons and the rest of it.

If you hadn't noticed.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 07:21 PM (HddOg)


To be fair, politicians, crooks, organized criminals, gangbangers, the psychotic looney-toons, and the rest tend to resist weapons confiscation rather violently!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 07:29 PM (BiNEL)

73
Sra blaster works with a woman who resides in NJ.

This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.

This is the real threat as I suspect this person is not alone his crazy, and the internet allows such crazies to congregate and coordinate.


The commie "neighborhood watches."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (aKsyK)

74
It's either something like that or buying a 200 acre place and setting up my own.

Hmmm. . . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (Y4EXg)
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Highly recommended!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

75 AKs like berdan. It's not punishment for them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (5aX2M)

76 My advice to Sam, next time he sees that car in his lot, have it towed immediately.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)


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Man, you newspaper gumshoes are real hardasses.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (XVuno)

77 Scuba_Dude, if you Duckduckgo pistol shoot left low, and look at the images, you'll see some diagrams that may be helpful.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 07:31 PM (DMUuz)

78 My advice to Sam, next time he sees that car in his lot, have it towed immediately.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)

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thread winner!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (NqeSm)

79 I live on my own rural property. That allows me to shoot, out to 100 yards, anyway I want. With my revolvers I practice right and left handed, standing, sitting or flat on my back.

Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (kO3Bf)

80 Cicero, yup!
Also, no Popeyes for him! Come back one year!

Red, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (L2ZTs)

81 Thanks Duncanthrax!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (ZfBVE)

82 I seem to recall European ammo is Berdan primed, designed in the US, and American ammo is Boxer primed, a European design. Weird, huh?

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (HddOg)

83 Regarding Sam the real question is how does such in civility become so ingrained. All the biases, a nicely dressed, nicely groomed young man should not immediately resort to the F bomb.

In an ideal world draw and shoot next to the car might teach a lesson. In the real world you go to jail.

I guess that answers the question.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (ZfRYq)

84 69 And Weasel, those pictures were taken on a damn cold ETEX day, cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey. I couldn't feel my toes.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (UUkQp)
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It looks cold!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

85 The primer anvil on Berdan ammo is integral with the case. There used to be instances of people drilling out the anvil to utilize boxer primers with hard to get caliber brass.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 17, 2019 07:34 PM (C1Lsn)

86 Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (kO3Bf)
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Howdy and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

87 @24 Scuba Dude
Glad to hear that you toughed it out.
I did something similar but not as difficult in getting a "long gun permit" while resident of NYC and also went to the West Side Range a number of times.

I'd be pleased to make your acquaintance as a former inmate of NYC, presently given a trustee position in a northern suburb. Have since been able to expand the gub family in ways you just cannot do in NYC. Maybe a mini Mo Me at Casa XNYC followed by a trip to a nearby range in Elmsford. Its not as good as the range I go to in real Upstate (that has outdoor rifle etc) but its decent for an indoor range, if a bit hyper nannied by the R.Os.

This week I'm snowed in with work (a trial) but hopefully we can exchange some emails.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 17, 2019 07:34 PM (n7DR8)

88 Duncanthrax I think I found my problem, Sights are off!!! LOL.
Just kidding. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:35 PM (ZfBVE)

89 Regarding Sam's parking lot encounter, I would attempt to deescalate the situation, stay back and don't make the guy look bad in front of the girl, which would goad him into doing something to protect his honor. If he continued to escalate and you weren't able to back off or de-escalate, then bringing out the pistol might be necessary. Eating a little humble pie beats shooting someone or getting the law involved, IMHO.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 17, 2019 07:35 PM (RBFmA)

90 I had some serious fun at the range today. I tried a new caliber, something I haven't done in a long time. I was using a Ruger Blackhawk in 41 magnum. It was comfortable to shoot. Even with medium power commercial ammo the recoil was not bad; less than 44 mags or heavy 357s. And it was plenty accurate.

Ammo in 41 magnum is damn expensive but I will be handloading everything from now on. When I bought the revolver, it included 500 pieces of Starline brass (Starline is my favorite) and 500 hard cast bullets. It was a hell of a deal.

I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do at longer ranges, at least 100 yards. The caliber has a reputation as a flat shooter. This is going to be fun.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:36 PM (bmdz3)

91 This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:25 PM

Report to whom?

Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (Z3oWA)

92 One of the results of the last component shortage was finding powders that could do what you needed if your usual powder wasn't available which it often wasn't. This came to mind for a couple of reasons this week. First, I noticed nobody has Varget powder for sale or even for back order. I don't use it myself but it is popular. Questions are being asked about why the shortage and what will do the same job. Second, I found I have about 10 pounds of SR4759 powder, which was discontinued several years ago. It's a classic powder and is especially useful for mild cast bullet loads in rifles. Okay, I've got plenty for a lot of loads but what if I didn't.

This is the time to plan and lay in supplies. Also, to rethink what powders are more valuable for their versatility. If needed, I could do 90 percent of my reloading with Bullseye and Unique powders. Adding Red Dot powder expands things tremendously. Does that mean you don't use the many other powders. Nope. In the case of SR4759, AA5744 can stand in. Red Dot is a very versatile powder but Promo has an identical burn rate and pressure curve, can use Red Dot numbers BY WEIGHT not by volume, is usually inexpensive and was available after Red Dot disappeared from the shelves a few years ago.

Actually, I had fun learning more about the history and properties of so many powders. Yes I am a reloading nerd.

Just some things to consider.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (bmdz3)

93 Shooting instructor, "I think I found your problem."

Shooter, "What?"

Instructor, "Well it's everything pulling the trigger."

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (UQbq+)

94 Oh, sorry for being late, I was both at a gun show and at the range this weekend.

Mrs. Lloyd is in the market for a sub-compact and we sampled the various offerings. No decision has been made as funds are not yet available, but testing out ideas is fun.

Meanwhile, at the range...

I used some different ammo on my Walther PK380 and it shot much better. More accurate and less fouling. I almost forgot how much I enjoy shooting that little bugger.

A friend got Browning 1911 in .380, which is a lot of fun.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (cfSRQ)

95 62 Not a big shotgun fan, although I own a 870 for home defense. #4 buck.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (kO3Bf)


How is it for shooting through your front door?

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 07:39 PM (iy171)

96 @91. I assume the police.

Wife's coworker has a pistol for protection (single woman living alone in NJ) and I think the discussion was about the Red Flags.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:39 PM (ZfRYq)

97 There is not a mention of what state this is in and whether a spawn of Soros is DA or not.

State black letter laws on brandishing vary some but nothing like the gloss put on them via court decisions. Either buy Andrew Branca's book and ancillary material for your state or you can get Mitch Vilos's book on Handgun Laws in the 50 states which is a bit less like a continuing ed seminar.

In general, I would back away from anyone going off on me, keep your body language neutral, and do not turn your back on a potential threat but make sure to keep peripheral vision as well because sometimes predators will use tactics like that to drive you like a game animal into a trap.

It is increasingly common that people doing bad stuff go ballistic when they know that they or their actions are now recorded on video. There might have been some hinky reason other than the illegal parking why that guy did not want his license plate photo'd.

Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:39 PM (MItID)

98 Thank you weasel. Your knowledge and obvious skill are beyond my abilities, but I think I can defend me and mine unless SWAT team knocks on my door.

Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:40 PM (kO3Bf)

99 RE: Sam's story.Would I have drawn or shot? Nope. The belligerent punk didn't appear to have a weapon. Were there threats made? Sure. Even in a stand-your-ground state I don't think you'd have enough of a defense.Sam had pictures of the car the license plate. I would have called the police, given the photo evidence and explained the threats. Let them deal with the issue.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (D3cJf)

100 Weasel, that's a fake picture, No mail box out there wouldn't have at least 50 bullet holes in it.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (Sf7dd)

101 98 Thank you weasel. Your knowledge and obvious skill are beyond my abilities, but I think I can defend me and mine unless SWAT team knocks on my door.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:40 PM (kO3Bf)
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Glad to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MVjcR)

102 92 JTB, there was a THR thread on Varget. The gist is that apparently some rumor is going around about a fire at the ADR plant in Australia that makes it. The rumor appears to be groundless from what folks would be in the know but people are panic buying it.

Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MItID)

103 Never found "long gun" permits to be a problem on Long Island but pistol permits are quite hard to get and you need to know LE or have security firm background help to get it without a lot of paperwork and time - not worth it for home protection if you know how to use a shotgun or rifle with some minimum proficiency.

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 07:42 PM (32YRo)

104 Xnycpeasant, thanks for the invite and I may take you up on the offer. You can get my email address from Weasel (if he does not mind). Just send an email to the gun thread.

Look forward to hearing from you

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:42 PM (ZfBVE)

105 100 Weasel, that's a fake picture, No mail box out there wouldn't have at least 50 bullet holes in it.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (Sf7dd)
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Heh. Very true!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

106 Emmie,

I am not Joe Biden in disguise.

Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (kO3Bf)

107 Re Sam's story, I would love to know what kind of car the screaming punk had.

I would bet money it was a pretty new BMW or Audi.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (L2ZTs)

108 @59
No, it's boxer primed.

Thanks for the affirmation on the Tula crap. The few pennies a round you save is definitely not worth the potential problems.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (wZ9cV)

109 @94 my subcompact recommendation goes to Sig P365.

I have become a Sig chauvinist so take it FWIW.

The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (ZfRYq)

110 Guess who was a 1911 fan? From the Churchill War Rooms of the Imperial War Museum in London. If you're in London, CBD reports the museum is worth a visit.
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I can confirm this, it's like a time machine trip. If one is studied in WWII history, you can feel it around you. Visceral.

Also, nearby is the 'Hung, Drawn, and Quartered' pub. Have pint or two.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (CDGwz)

111 91
This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.



Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:25 PM



Report to whom?

Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (Z3oWA)
I live in a somewhat rural part of the seacoast area of NH. A gentleman several doors down the road from me built a small range on his property. Been determined to be safe by the local police who were promptly called by my a-hole neighbor the first time the range was used.Every time he goes out to practice, my neighbor calls the cops. Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (D3cJf)

112 89, I agree with your take. Rory Miller had a fine book about violence and his experience with it close hand as a corrections officer. He called it the monkey dance and described the idea that some not so bright folks have that an "educational beatdown" is in order when someone disses you.

Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (MItID)

113 Said it in the narrative..."Taking pictures of a young girl"
Okay fella, already called the police so lets wait for them to sort this out and by the way, you are tresspassed from this property.
Wonder what the camera roll would have shown?

Posted by: Paul Harvey at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (vqIkG)

114 my subcompact recommendation goes to Sig P365.
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I've held one. It felt good.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:45 PM (CDGwz)

115 As a side note, this week at the range the Range Boss ended his safety speech before going hot with....

"And Epstein Did Not Kill Himself".

He was awarded with thunderous applause.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 07:45 PM (Z+IKu)

116 102 92 JTB, there was a THR thread on Varget. The gist is that apparently some rumor is going around about a fire at the ADR plant in Australia that makes it. The rumor appears to be groundless from what folks would be in the know but people are panic buying it.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MItID)
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The Australian plant that makes Varget has burned down a dozen times now, I think!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

117 my subcompact recommendation goes to Sig P365.



I have become a Sig chauvinist so take it FWIW.



The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (ZfRYq)

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I am also a fan of SIGs. That P365 is a finalist, no question.

The key is that it is her decision and hers alone, so I stay out of it, merely prompting her on what features she wants and how it feels and suggesting options.

Ultimately it must be optimized for her grip, so I'm just a facilitator.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 07:46 PM (cfSRQ)

118 Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

Sounds like the complaining neighbors are not NH natives. I'd put good money on them being from Massachusetts.

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (bE5f3)

119 Folks who are older than 29 may remember when mailboxes were painted olive drab.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (CDGwz)

120 Late, ish. No, I HAVEN"T been to the range. I was stuck in VA the last two weeks and was out sitting in a wheat field yesterday and moaning about the 50kt winds today and NOT sitting out in a field. SO, How are you?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at November 17, 2019 07:48 PM (gMngZ)

121 120 Late, ish. No, I HAVEN"T been to the range. I was stuck in VA the last two weeks and was out sitting in a wheat field yesterday and moaning about the 50kt winds today and NOT sitting out in a field. SO, How are you?

McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at November 17, 2019 07:48 PM (gMngZ)
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Breezy, wasn't it?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:49 PM (MVjcR)

122 118
Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he
wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed



Sounds like the complaining neighbors are not NH natives. I'd put good money on them being from Massachusetts.

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (bE5f3)
I'd say you are correct. I'm not a NH native either, but truly appreciate the Live Free or Die creed. Truly pains me to see this state turn purple to almost blue.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:49 PM (D3cJf)

123 That is a picture of a reversed primer. I had one with like symptoms at a pistol match in the 80's with .38 wadcutter. Good job following the squib load drill!

It reminded me to inspect ammo: projectile, case mouth, primer present, funny dents in the case, rim or base for extraction and who knows what else might be there to see like corrosion or contamination.

I once saw .38. truck gun so grungy the brass was green.

Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (glGDV)

124 Folks who are older than 29 may remember when mailboxes were painted olive drab.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (CDGwz)

Were they not also painted dark blue at some time?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (/sgva)

125 Mike Hammer, when they painted them blue it made it much easier to read the chalk mark for the drop site.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (Sf7dd)

126 I would want to report the complaining neighbor for attempting to deprive Americans of their inalienable, God-given right to defend themselves.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (iy171)

127 Both the 1911 and the Mauser C96?

Winston was on the cutting edge of killing tools.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 17, 2019 07:51 PM (d1uFV)

128 I live in a somewhat rural part of the seacoast area
of NH. A gentleman several doors down the road from me built a small
range on his property. Been determined to be safe by the local police
who were promptly called by my a-hole neighbor the first time the range
was used.Every time he goes out to practice, my neighbor calls the cops.
Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he
wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (D3cJf)

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Some years ago I rented a house in the country with two other guys and on the 4th of July we hosted a BYO shooting gathering.

One of the neighbors got annoyed and called the sheriff, who sent out a couple of deputies who quickly realized they were badly outgunned but we greeted them warmly and soon were chatting with them amiably.

They noted that we had a range, good range control, were following all the rules, but the one quibble they had was the proximity of our backstop to the property line.

Beyond it was a cornfield, and it was possible that *someone* might hide in that corn and get shot by accident. They suggested moving the firing line back, up to the top of the hill so we could shoot at targets just inside the property line.

When we pointed out that going up the hill would make it a lot louder for the neighbors, they smiled and said that was too bad, because it was safer that way.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 07:52 PM (cfSRQ)

129 Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (glGDV)
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I wondered about that too, but couldn't make out the edge of the cup.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:52 PM (MVjcR)

130 As an adult, I've never had a mailbox. Not the real kind. The modern, multi-box arrangement just doesn't seem right.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 17, 2019 07:54 PM (H5knJ)

131 I shoot on the back 4o, which means a foot trap for clays or 40 or so pistol rounds at a paper target. I think after about that many pistol rounds I am not really helping myself, given I can go back out in a day or two and repeat.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:54 PM (oeKeQ)

132 I had a COMEDICALLY bad day on Saturday, trying to get to the range. Everything that could go wrong, did (except for having the car break, I suppose, or getting shot at).

But after a long lunch, I did make it in.

I put 20 rounds though my Henry single shot .223. Shooting to the right, but I suspect that was me. The rifle is new to me and I'm not super consistent bring it to the shoulder offhand.

The rest of of the visit was me shooting .22lr out of my CZ P07. By the time I got there, the range was almost empty, which is what I needed to relax and de-stress. Got some good groups, too. I plan on doing more double tap drills with it. At 7 yards, everything was going into a three inch target.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 17, 2019 07:54 PM (d1uFV)

133 Just donated Elise Stefanik, not much, I dont have a lot, but let's get her some donations

Posted by: lousagirl at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (+dLD3)

134 I am not Joe Biden in disguise.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (kO3Bf)


Glad you caught the reference.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (iy171)

135 126
I would want to report the complaining neighbor for attempting to
deprive Americans of their inalienable, God-given right to defend
themselves.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (iy171)
A-hole neighbor and I had a land dispute this summer, just to make things more interesting. I wanted to fence in my back yard, he didn't want to see any fencing. Tried to make things difficult for me to get the fence installed. Then he took down the survey markers I paid to have put in. That time he got the po-po called on him.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (D3cJf)

136 I'm not a NH native either, but truly appreciate the Live Free or Die creed. Truly pains me to see this state turn purple to almost blue.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

Me neither. Escaped from oppressive CT to NH about six years ago for one single reason...gun control regs implemented after Sandy Hook in CT was not sustainable for my family.

Fun observation...five of the six houses on my street that have been sold in the last two years were sold to MA residents.

Three of them planted signs for and held fundraisers in their homes for Democrat candidates within six months of moving in. One of the candidates was a huge proponent of a state income tax, which oddly enough, is usually why people move to NH--no state income tax. Arg!

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (bE5f3)

137 As an adult, I've never had a mailbox. Not the real kind. The modern, multi-box arrangement just doesn't seem right.
Posted by: bear

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That would really bug me. That was actually a deal breaker for me on a suburban house.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:56 PM (oeKeQ)

138 24. ...RPL was VERY helpful in showing me the proper stance and how to best grip the gun.

You're holding it wrong!

Posted by: Waepnedmann at November 17, 2019 07:57 PM (R/nrk)

139 And on ammo, I bought a case of TulaMax ammo.

Maybe the worst ammo I've gotten outside of some LAX ammo that wasn't crimped and had bullets literally falling out.

Anyway, back on to TulaMax, the ammo must have been out of spec for 9mm. I had some seriously bad jams with it, where the slide wouldn't move and the gunsmith had to wack on the slide with a rubber hammer.

Ironically, the XD9 was the one pistol I had that would devour it. So I shot the rest of the case off and haven't bought TulaMax since.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (d1uFV)

140 136
I'm not a NH native either, but truly appreciate the Live Free or Die
creed. Truly pains me to see this state turn purple to almost blue.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed



Me neither. Escaped from oppressive CT to NH about six years ago
for one single reason...gun control regs implemented after Sandy Hook in
CT was not sustainable for my family.



Fun observation...five of the six houses on my street that have been sold in the last two years were sold to MA residents.



Three of them planted signs for and held fundraisers in their homes
for Democrat candidates within six months of moving in. One of the
candidates was a huge proponent of a state income tax, which oddly
enough, is usually why people move to NH--no state income tax. Arg!

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (bE5f3)
Massholes are worse than locusts

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (D3cJf)

141 @111 some years ago- I am going to say this was 2000 - went to visit a friend who had a 400 acre farm in Southern MD. He said bring guns we can shoot so I did. We shot some (his range consisted of a field with a Plymouth Satellite in the middle of it). We got done and put the guns away. In my case in the trunk of my car.

We were sitting on the porch drinking some beer and the Sheriff rolled and asked about things. Said the neighbors had called about the shooting.

That was it, no real hassle but in retrospect I did not know the laws for transport etc in MD. I grew up in SC where riding around with loaded guns was pretty much de rigeur. Could have been a big deal.

Now I know never go north out of Virginia with firearms in the car.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (ZfRYq)

142 If you live in the country, you have a P.O.Box in town.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (Sf7dd)

143 80's music fan
I never considered that the primer could be reversed. What kind of factory are those commies running?

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (wZ9cV)

144 The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.

Posted by: blaster

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How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (oeKeQ)

145 After I retired 16 years ago we moved from Illinois to rural NE Iowa and I was glad to be rid of the FOID nonsense, but discovered to buy a handgun in Iowa I had to get a permit from the county sheriff. Fortunately, that did not have any effect on handguns i bought when I crossed the Big Muddy.

It seems states can have their own interpretation on the 2nd. F^%k that. If I want to carry concealed I don't need a permit. I'll carry concealed if I want, after all it is my party if I want to.

Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:59 PM (kO3Bf)

146 All -appreciate the insight on Tulammo. I've run maybe a box or two through my XD pistols without issue, but will stick with Federal and their variants.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:59 PM (D3cJf)

147 Folks who are older than 29 may remember when mailboxes were painted olive drab.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (CDGwz)

Were they not also painted dark blue at some time?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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The blue came much, much later. I believe around the 1976 Bicentennial.

Through the 50's and 60's they were olive drab, because Uncle Sam had a *lot* of leftover OD paint, and gave it to the P.O.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (xSo9G)

148 Ironically, the XD9 was the one pistol I had that
would devour it. So I shot the rest of the case off and haven't bought
TulaMax since.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (d1uFV)

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Again, I have never owned a gun I hated enough to feed it Tula ammo.

I see how cheap it is, and sometimes my friends and I talk about getting an AK and feeding it that rubbish just for fun, but I can't bring myself to do it. I'm a refined collector, sir. Good day to you!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)

149 Since brass has worked for a hundred years what was the driving force for these other metals?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (UQbq+)

150 145
After I retired 16 years ago we moved from Illinois to rural NE Iowa and
I was glad to be rid of the FOID nonsense, but discovered to buy a
handgun in Iowa I had to get a permit from the county sheriff.
Fortunately, that did not have any effect on handguns i bought when I
crossed the Big Muddy.



It seems states can have their own interpretation on the 2nd. F^%k
that. If I want to carry concealed I don't need a permit. I'll carry
concealed if I want, after all it is my party if I want to.

Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:59 PM (kO3Bf)
Stay out of MA and NY. Seriously. You will go to jail if caught with a firearm and no permit. In MA, you'll go to jail if they find a spent cartridge on the floor of your vehicle.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (D3cJf)

151 Can't draw in many states unless in imminent fear of mortal harm and even then be prepared to shell out 100k in defense fees as the state tries to grind you under their heel while letting thuggypants waddle off to some other crime scene.

In a May Issue State someone even seeing a holstered firearm, like opening a jacket or lifting a shirt, can be grounds for losing a license for life.

Posted by: Oh no! Not the bees! at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (N5dam)

152 As for Sam's asshole youth, nicely dressed, nice car, nice camera and rude attitude indicates a spoiled brat spawn of some asshole with money, and possibly a son of a politician. Explains the arrogant entitlement attitude.

Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2019 08:01 PM (qAR6u)

153 149 Since brass has worked for a hundred years what was the driving force for these other metals?
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (UQbq+)
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Economics, I'd imagine.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

154 Report to whom?
Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM

Well ain't that the very scary part of Red Flag laws? Who is to say what some person might just make up because they think no one should be in possession of a firearm

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (ZCEU2)

155 Hey gun people!

*smooches Weasel*

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (NWiLs)

156 Ola. Winston's Police bodyguard was a 1911 fan, hence probably why Winnie liked it as well. Maybe in .455 Ely.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (bgJ0E)

157 How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (oeKeQ)

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Since I have small, delicate and girlish hands, I find it very comfy, but you can get extended mags that help those with larger paws.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (cfSRQ)

158 Sam didn't tell a lot. Where you live matters a great deal when it comes to drawing and firing.

From the details presented, the loudmouth made a threat but it is not clear whether the threat amounted to an imminent threat of serious bodily harm.

Is there a duty to retreat in this jurisdiction? Sam was outside and not inside a residence or business. Sam almost certainly had the opportunity to retreat. That matters.

I'm disinclined to shoot people over inconsequential matters. I probably would have ordered him off my property, gone inside and called the cops. And then I would have kept watch for the next few days to make sure the loudmouth didn't return for more mischief.

I'm assuming there are no security cameras and footage to back up any claims. Get some and install them. A little video is often worth $150K in legal costs.

It's a shame Sam had to deal with such a putz. But we all do from time to time.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 17, 2019 08:03 PM (+Kpte)

159 155 Hey gun people!

*smooches Weasel*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (NWiLs)

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*eyeroll*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 08:03 PM (XVuno)

160 155 Hey gun people!

*smooches Weasel*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (NWiLs)
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Brohug, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

161 116 102 92 JTB, there was a THR thread on Varget. The gist is that apparently some rumor is going around about a fire at the ADR plant in Australia that makes it. The rumor appears to be groundless from what folks would be in the know but people are panic buying it.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MItID)
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The Australian plant that makes Varget has burned down a dozen times now, I think!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

What Mr Weasel said.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (bgJ0E)

162 Economics, I'd imagine.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

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Aluminum was big a while back. I remember buying it because it was cheaper, but of course no reloads.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (cfSRQ)

163
I've run a flaming metric shitte-tonne of TulAmmo through my now submerged SKS with no problems that I remember

I think the SKS would freak out if it was fed "good" ammo; it's never seen brass, just the TulAmmo steel-cased 7.62x39

that said, I do not ever run TulAmmo through anything else in the arsenal, lest the ghosts of John Moses Browning and/or Eugene Stoner rise up to smack me upside the head

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (KCxzN)

164 157
How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.



Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (oeKeQ)


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Since I have small, delicate and girlish hands, I find
it very comfy, but you can get extended mags that help those with larger
paws.


Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (cfSRQ)
I have a Springfield XD Mod2 compact. Came with two mags, one is an extended mag. Love it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (D3cJf)

165 What are good lubricants for shotguns? I've disassembled the entire works and need to clean and lube the receiver and need to make sure the firing pins are good and clean and free of some old crud.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (+Kpte)

166 Liberal Tears. No, seriously. Liberaltears dot net

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 08:06 PM (D3cJf)

167 When I lived in CT, in order to get a concealed carry permit I had to have an NRA firearms safety training certificate, three letters of character reference, an application submitted to the Mayor of my Town, as well as all the fingerprinting and application stuff for the State/Fed background check. Had to wait for the Mayor to get around to looking at my application, then I had to go to an official town meeting and wait til they got to the permit applications--last item on the agenda--where my name was written and read into the public record for having been issued a concealed carry permit. Many barriers and invasion of privacy, to boot.

When I moved to NH, I went to the Town Police Department and showed them my CT cc license. Was issued the permit within a week.

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 08:06 PM (bE5f3)

168 28 I would imagine TulAmmo in an AK would be okay. Commie junk ammo in commie junk rifle. Match made in heaven.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZfRYq)

Met the US Tula head dude at the last SHOT Show. Nice guy gave us some tee shirts. 9mm and 7.62 short always seems to work fine. Do not like steel cases thru my AR's tho.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)

169 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, NZFrank!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

170 167
When I lived in CT, in order to get a concealed carry permit I had to
have an NRA firearms safety training certificate, three letters of
character reference, an application submitted to the Mayor of my Town,
as well as all the fingerprinting and application stuff for the
State/Fed background check. Had to wait for the Mayor to get around to
looking at my application, then I had to go to an official town meeting
and wait til they got to the permit applications--last item on the
agenda--where my name was written and read into the public record for
having been issued a concealed carry permit. Many barriers and invasion
of privacy, to boot.



When I moved to NH, I went to the Town Police Department and showed
them my CT cc license. Was issued the permit within a week.

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 08:06 PM (bE5f3)
And you have decent reciprocity. Be careful with Maine. If you want to go into any National Parks, spend the money and get a Maine permit. Becareful to never ever go south of the border.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 08:08 PM (D3cJf)

171 I no longer use Tula. It seems to be dirtier than other ammo. I stopped using aluminum because I had regular though infrequent FTF/FTE that I don't have with brass and nickel. It was like 1 in 50 to 1 in 100 problems but it was still a pain. And it didn't save that much in the end.

I suppose if I was going out for an all-day range trip with the intent to mag dump 1,000 rounds it might save a few bucks. Otherwise not worth it.

I tend to visit the range 3 to 4 times a month lately and usually shoot 50 to 100 .22lr and 10 to 20 9mm or about 20 to 50 9mm.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 17, 2019 08:08 PM (+Kpte)

172 Back in the early '90s I had a Thompson Center Arms 50 cal Hawken muzzleloader that i used to some effect during the deer muzzleloader seasons. Nice pretty gun that shot well.

I sold it to my gun collector/enthusiast uncle when I moved out to Hawaii in '94, thinking if I ever moved back I could buy it back from him. Unfortunately he sold it before I did move back to WI, and TCA stopped making that model, and they have become kinda pricey now.

A few months ago my uncle told me the guy he sold that gun to may be selling it, would I be interested? Heck Yes! Then I found out no, actually the guy had sold it to someone else, but maybe that guy would sell it. Then I find out no, not for sale, but he has a CVA 50 cal for sale if I'm interested.


I figure, OK, I can't my old gun back, this CVA is nice, sure I'll buy it. Deer season is just around the corner, it's a nice gun, etc.

Friday night my uncle calls, he's got my old TCA gun for me! They tracked it down, got it, and tomorrow I go buy it from him for the same price I sold it to him 25 years ago! Unbelievable!


I am so stoked to be getting my old gun back, just before deer season!

Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 08:09 PM (l3+k2)

173 In fact there is a dead giveaway in the pistol photo of Winstons 1911. It will most likely be .455 not .45ACP due to what? Anyone like to guess?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)

174 @144 my wife has small womanly hands and it works well for her.

My hands are not small. Perfectly sized, really, Beautiful hands. But hard to describe as big. It works for me.

One of the mags has an extension for pinkies. No swappable back straps so I have to say you'll just have to try it.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (ZfRYq)

175 Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 08:09 PM (l3+k2)
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Nice! Congratulations.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

176 What are good lubricants for shotguns?

Posted by: WarEagle82

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Semi auto or break action? It makes a difference. For a break action CLP is a great friction reducer. On semis I recommend Birchwood Casey lubricant. The CLP is like Slick 50 for guns and works well on the pinion of a double barrel, but might not be great on a semi.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 08:11 PM (oeKeQ)

177 In fact there is a dead giveaway in the pistol photo
of Winstons 1911. It will most likely be .455 not .45ACP due to what?
Anyone like to guess?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)

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The British are retarded when it comes to firearms?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:11 PM (cfSRQ)

178 Point of clarification: the Brits are retarded in particular when it comes to hand guns.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (cfSRQ)

179 I might be heading to NH next year. RPL and Weasel suggested going to the Sig Academy there.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (ZfBVE)

180 Weasel @ 121. Yeah, t'was. We'd left our blind up with the goose dekes inside to save time this AM. We got out there and just pulled everything down and went home.

There's other days. Right now, my setter wants some ice. BRB

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (gMngZ)

181 177 In fact there is a dead giveaway in the pistol photo
of Winstons 1911. It will most likely be .455 not .45ACP due to what?
Anyone like to guess?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)

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The British are retarded when it comes to firearms?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:11 PM (cfSRQ)

Well thats an answer I guess. Not the one I was thinking of but its an answer.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (bgJ0E)

182 Since brass has worked for a hundred years what was the driving force for these other metals?
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (UQbq+)

Costs and extraction issues.

I have a Cetme which will stick a brass round when it gets dirty, say after 200 rounds, but steel rounds extract all day long.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 08:13 PM (Z+IKu)

183 Becareful to never ever go south of the border.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

Good advice, thank you. MA is a no-go zone for me when carrying firearms. I don't take the risk, but I have friends who think nothing of throwing their legal firearms in their campers and traveling through many states, tempting fate in the worst of ways. They don't listen to me when I tell them they are really asking for it.

Yikes!

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 08:13 PM (bE5f3)

184 Metric 1911?

Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 08:13 PM (l3+k2)

185 184 Metric 1911?
Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 08:13 PM (l3+k2)

Good try, but that would be a Star Modelo B.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (bgJ0E)

186
Good try, but that would be a Star Modelo B.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (bgJ0E)
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Thought that was beer!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (MVjcR)

187 No, the green mail boxes were larger, and not for outgoing mail. They were called "Relay Boxes" and contained letters and parcels for walking routes. They were setup in a location for efficiency having been delivered by vehicle. In those days, the carriers didn't each have their own Jeep or whatever.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:15 PM (HddOg)

188 I had a big mook come at me in a library parking lot screaming all kinds of shit he was going to do to me. My offense. I parked in a spot and his car was trailing mine. Guess he wanted me to just pass it up and give it to him. When he got real close and flailing his arms, I patted my hip where I carry iwb and told him it would be a very bad idea. He got the message and I never had to display. I was damn close though.

Posted by: fish...thelowercaseone at November 17, 2019 08:15 PM (2johV)

189
Good try, but that would be a Star Modelo B.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM


in 38 Super, probably

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:15 PM (KCxzN)

190 Well thats an answer I guess. Not the one I was thinking of but its an answer.



Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (bgJ0E)

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One of my parlour games with gun enthusiasts I meet is to challenge them to name one significant British handgun design of the 20th century.

Something that other nations looked at and said "Wow, we need that!"

The Germans did it. Obviously Browning did it.

The Brits used frickin' *revolvers* until after World War II when the Canucks basically force-fed them the Hi Power. What do they use now, Glocks?

QED.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (cfSRQ)

191
'cause the Spanish are even more retardeder than the British when it comes to firearms

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (KCxzN)

192 Thought that was beer!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (MVjcR)

I may not be a smart man, but I know what ... beer is.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)

193
I may not be a smart man, but I know what ... beer is.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)
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Heh. *clink!*

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

194 I'm out
Breakfast is at 4am so stop on by

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 08:18 PM (ZCEU2)

195 -
One of my parlour games with gun enthusiasts I meet is to challenge them to name one significant British handgun design of the 20th century.

The self cocking Webley- Fosbery!!!

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)

196 'Night, Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

197
g'night, Skip

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:19 PM (KCxzN)

198 'cause the Spanish are even more retardeder than the British when it comes to firearms

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (KCxzN)

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I disagree. The Spanish Astras were solid - so much so the Germans bought them by the crate.

Who wanted British pistols...ever?

It's fascinating to look at a Luger or a 1911 and then look at a Webley Mk VI and think that they were all on the same battlefield. Which one looks badly out of date?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:19 PM (cfSRQ)

199 187 No, the green mail boxes were larger, and not for outgoing mail. They were called "Relay Boxes" and contained letters and parcels for walking routes. They were setup in a location for efficiency having been delivered by vehicle. In those days, the carriers didn't each have their own Jeep or whatever.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:15 PM (HddOg)

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This man knows of what he speaks.

Posted by: John Kasich, Son of a Son of a Mailman at November 17, 2019 08:19 PM (XVuno)

200 The self cocking Webley- Fosbery!!!



Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)

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*Raises glass*

Well played.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:20 PM (cfSRQ)

201 Our arms room still had S&W .38 revolvers for aircrews in inventory when I was in, though Berettas were issued. The idea was to avoid FOD issues with expensed brass. Funny, they used air M60s, which did contain spent brass, sort of.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:21 PM (HddOg)

202 Good evening Boomers! What's happening, watching MASH reruns and spinning the White album?

Posted by: Percy Kilbride at November 17, 2019 08:22 PM (Fxgkp)

203 Our arms room still had SW .38 revolvers for
aircrews in inventory when I was in, though Berettas were issued. The
idea was to avoid FOD issues with expensed brass. Funny, they used air
M60s, which did contain spent brass, sort of.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:21 PM (HddOg)

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Not FOD, but revolvers don't leave brass behind, which can help with SERE.

There's still the bang, but sound can be deceptive. Just a thought.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:23 PM (cfSRQ)

204
right, the Astras were solid

The Spanish had restrictions on the citizenry using "military" calibers, so they built 1911 clones in 38 Super

I used to go to a plate shoot a couple times per month; there was a guy shooting a Star Modelo B in 38 Super

you should have seen him chase his brass...

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (KCxzN)

205 My unit as I think the last in the active army (not counting SF) with 1911s on the MTOE.

I had a Korea era 1911 that rattled like, well, a rattle. We had on range incident where one of the 1911s went full auto. That was...exciting.

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (ZfRYq)

206 Mr. Van Owen, I hate to cut the commies any slack, but it can happen to anyone. Re reversed primer in mass production.

Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2019 08:25 PM (glGDV)

207 An imported High Power in all black is going for right at 1K locally. I want it and have the money, but don't really need it as much as a thermal or ngv. Horns of a de la emu ain't it?

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 08:25 PM (UUkQp)

208 Churchill, huh? Like some other boss we know, not a pearl handle in sight.

Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 08:25 PM (7wfSc)

209
No, the green mail boxes were larger, and not for outgoing mail. They were called "Relay Boxes" and contained letters and parcels for walking routes. They were setup in a location for efficiency having been delivered by vehicle. In those days, the carriers didn't each have their own Jeep or whatever.
Posted by: Common Tater


There used to be one of those near where I used to live. They don't have an opening in the top.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 08:26 PM (aKsyK)

210
Incidentally, a 'menter asked yesterday why the fascists have such a hard-on for Andy Ngo -- probably because he makes youtube videos such as "Who Are Behind The Masks of Antifa," and shows the faces of the fascists.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 08:27 PM (5YDPz)

211
The Spanish had restrictions on the citizenry using "military" calibers, so they built 1911 clones in 38 Super


Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (KCxzN)

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They also built some C96 knock-offs - pinned not fitted - in 7.63mm IIRC. They are out there, and less expensive than the real thing. No idea how they shoot.

Note: check your spam folder - I've sent you some emails, never heard back.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:28 PM (cfSRQ)

212 Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)

213
will do, A.H.

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (KCxzN)

214 Earlier today I saw a topic on The High Road. Lee Precision is coming out with a new single stage press call ed the APP: Automatic Processing Press. It's a new design and can be used to process cases and bullets. The suggested prices are are quite reasonable. The comments of experienced reloaders were enthusiastic. It might be worth checking out although they won't be taking orders until December 2 and expect to ship late December. It looks interesting.

Just FYI.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bmdz3)

215 13 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)

216 which can help with SERE.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:23 PM (cfSRQ)



A story from a downed flyer in Vietnam (I heard this tale from his own mouth):
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Having been shot down the man was wounded as he hit trees on his descent in the parachute. He popped out of his chute and pulled himself back up against a tree, and got out his issue .38.

A moment later a VC emerged from the trees with his AK47 at the ready. Our hero said he thought he could shoot the VC before the VC got him.

A fraction of a second later...
(He specifies this whole thing took less than a few seconds.)
another VC emerges from the tree line about 30 degrees from the first. Our hero says he's thinking "I can easily shoot both of them before one shoots me."

A fraction of a second later, a few more emerged on the opposite 30 degrees. He says he's still thinking "I can shoot them all before they get me. I'm a crack shot."

As a few more emerge on something more like 90 degrees from the first guy, he said his brain (remember this has taken not but a second or two) was trying to encourage him that he could shoot 5, reload, and then shoot the last few `before they shot him~."

About that time at least one VC came up behind him and did the best thing that could have happened: thwocked him on the noggin with his AK-47. He swore that act saved his life.
***

Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 08:34 PM (7wfSc)

217 215 13 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)

*picks up axe*

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:34 PM (NWiLs)

218 Anyone care to take a swing at this question?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)


Key there is the "I don't pay for range time".

Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 08:36 PM (7wfSc)

219 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)
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I'm inclined to agree. More frequent visits with a reasonable round count (100? 150?) during each.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:37 PM (eShRD)

220
Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)

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So what you're saying is the British took a successful design and decided to rechamber it in one of their esoteric calibers.

Yeah. Retarded.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:37 PM (cfSRQ)

221 I as well swear by the Churchill War Rooms in London.

No range visits as of yet - working temp jobs, until such time as a civilian employer decided that yes, I CAN work a full-time job. But soon!

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 17, 2019 08:38 PM (iLprN)

222 13 ... "An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way."

I favor more frequent visits to the range. Except for rapid fire training, I work to make each round count, concentrating on technique. I'm used to that approach from shooting muzzleloaders and don't find it onerous. But I know people who would go crazy at the slower pace.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (bmdz3)

223 Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)

Nice! Thanks NZFrank!.......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (Z+IKu)

224 "92
One of the results of the last component shortage was finding powders
that could do what you needed if your usual powder wasn't available
which it often wasn't. This came to mind for a couple of reasons this
week. First, I noticed nobody has Varget powder for sale or even for
back order. I don't use it myself but it is popular. Questions are being
asked about why the shortage and what will do the same job. Second, I
found I have about 10 pounds of SR4759 powder, which was discontinued
several years ago. It's a classic powder and is especially useful for
mild cast bullet loads in rifles. Okay, I've got plenty for a lot of
loads but what if I didn't.



This is the time to plan and lay in supplies. Also, to rethink what
powders are more valuable for their versatility. If needed, I could do
90 percent of my reloading with Bullseye and Unique powders. Adding Red
Dot powder expands things tremendously. Does that mean you don't use the
many other powders. Nope. In the case of SR4759, AA5744 can stand in.
Red Dot is a very versatile powder but Promo has an identical burn rate
and pressure curve, can use Red Dot numbers BY WEIGHT not by volume, is
usually inexpensive and was available after Red Dot disappeared from the
shelves a few years ago.



Actually, I had fun learning more about the history and properties of so many powders. Yes I am a reloading nerd.



Just some things to consider.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (bmdz3)"
..
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If one reloads, it's very important to work up alternate loads and keep good notes.
It's also very important - and I have mentioned this before - for anyone with any sort of precision rifle to gather ballistic data on several common loads they might find should ammo get scarce. Shoot a few rounds, measure offset from your regular POI, chrono it.. modern ballistics software can take that data and give you usable dope out past 1k, no problem.
There is also utility in having half a box each of half a dozen different loads of stuff you don't stock and otherwise don't possess. Use your imagination.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (67XdO)

225 Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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Well what do you know. I've seen that loop before but never knew the reason. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (eShRD)

226 Re Sam's story. This video isnt helpful, but it points to how bad things can escalate. The idiot in this vid had robbed a store and was back at an apartment complex with his gf when confronted by the apartment manager over where she had parked.

This kid had a gun and the manager was totally unaware of who he was confronting. This was Dec of 2017. The kid pulled out a gun, shot it in the ground yet the manager just got more pissed off!

Cops ended up chasing the hoodlum to a local park and several cops put him down when he reached for his weapon.

https://youtu.be/4G-0jrcqz-g

At least Sam's case resolved itself fairly smoothly...

Posted by: Mike in Seattle at November 17, 2019 08:44 PM (nOj6h)

227 In comment 222 I should have specified that I don't pay for range time except for the annual dues of the club. I suppose that makes a difference.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 08:45 PM (bmdz3)

228 My unit as I think the last in the active army (not counting SF) with 1911s on the MTOE.



I had a Korea era 1911 that rattled like, well, a rattle. We had on
range incident where one of the 1911s went full auto. That
was...exciting.





Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (ZfRYq)

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my CA ARNG unit had 1911's up until just before the turn of the century...

i may very well have been the last person in BDUs to carry a 1911A1 in he field. i was the armorer, so i issued everyone their Beretta, then signed out a Colt for personal carry.

because i could.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 08:45 PM (NqeSm)

229 I'm a refined collector, sir. Good day to you!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)


You forgot the "*sniff*"

Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 08:46 PM (7wfSc)

230 May I venture off-topic tonight long enough to ask the resident Horde experts how to search for a topic mentioned in the comments of a forgotten AoS post, please? It was in the last month, but I do not recall the post title, just a phrase in a comment.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:46 PM (i/wJA)

231 The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.

Posted by: NZFrank

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Interesting. I assumed it was for a lanyard even though cavalry was extinct. Of course, ships carried masts long after the arrival of steam.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 08:46 PM (oeKeQ)

232 230 May I venture off-topic tonight long enough to ask the resident Horde experts how to search for a topic mentioned in the comments of a forgotten AoS post, please? It was in the last month, but I do not recall the post title, just a phrase in a comment.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:46 PM (i/wJA)
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No problemo. Anyone?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:47 PM (eShRD)

233 Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.



Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)

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we have a 1911, or maybe two, that have a loop on the magazine... one has, IIRC, British proof stamps, but a sillivillian serial number.....

now i've gotta dig them out and have them checked.

my understanding was that the loop was originally for US Cav troopers, so they could eject the empty in a melee, and not lose it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (NqeSm)

234 Well what do you know. I've seen that loop before but never knew the reason. Thanks!

Most likely what you've seen -- and what I mistook the loop in the pic for until Frank made me go back and look -- is a lanyard loop on the mainspring housing. I think that was common on early 1911s and A1s. The Brit weirdness is putting it on the magazine.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (qc+VF)

235 Well what do you know. I've seen that loop before but never knew the reason. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (eShRD)

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Striking a blow for the Commonwealth!

*Tips bowler hat*

On a less flip note, I actually have a Webley VI and like it a lot. It just seems a little out of place as a battlefield weapon.

OTOH, we've seen how my Dreyse and C96 have given me fits and the Webley has never had a single issue. Load it and it goes bang on demand. So there's that.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)

236
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So what you're saying is the British took a successful design and decided to rechamber it in one of their esoteric calibers.

Yeah. Retarded.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:37 PM (cfSRQ)

Pfffftt. The manly and noble.455 beats the low powered and effeminate .45

*Refuses to don helmet and stares laconically at the incoming*

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (bgJ0E)

237
Most likely what you've seen -- and what I mistook the loop in the pic for until Frank made me go back and look -- is a lanyard loop on the mainspring housing. I think that was common on early 1911s and A1s. The Brit weirdness is putting it on the magazine.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (qc+VF)
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You're right!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (eShRD)

238 Thank you, Weasel. You are a gracious host.

Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (i/wJA)

239 238 Thank you, Weasel. You are a gracious host.

Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (i/wJA)
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Aw, shucks!

You should try the P365!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (eShRD)

240 239 238 Thank you, Weasel. You are a gracious host.

Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (i/wJA)
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Aw, shucks!

You should try the P365!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (eShRD)

And the veal.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NWiLs)

241 230 May I venture off-topic tonight long enough to ask the resident Horde experts how to search for a topic mentioned in the comments of a forgotten AoS post, please?

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Sure. What's your question?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (XVuno)

242 May I venture off-topic tonight long enough to ask the resident Horde experts how to search for a topic mentioned in the comments of a forgotten AoS post

In your favorite search engine, type the phrase you're looking for in quotes and add site:acecomments.mu.nu.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (qc+VF)

243 I believe Sam handled it well.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (H8QX8)

244 Pfffftt. The manly and noble.455 beats the low powered and effeminate .45



*Refuses to don helmet and stares laconically at the incoming*

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (bgJ0E)

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There were two different .455 cartridges, rimmed and rimless, right?

The rimmed was for the Webley revolvers, and it's very soft-shooting. Giant bullet, fat case, low velocity.

I think the auto-loader version was a little more brisk. Did they also use the 262 grain bullet? Because if you get that hunk of lead moving with any kind of urgency, I imagine it *would* make .45 ACP look low powered.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (cfSRQ)

245
And the veal.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NWiLs)
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And the waitress.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (eShRD)

246 The waitress is made of veal?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)

247 And the veal.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NWiLs)

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Don't forget to tip your servers!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)

248 243 I believe Sam handled it well.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (H8QX
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Agreed. I think I'd have backed off a ways and waited for his next move.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:53 PM (eShRD)

249 246 The waitress is made of veal?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)

Tender and tasty.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (NWiLs)

250
Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)

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But never tip Guam.

Posted by: Rep. Hank "Hank" Johnson, (D)umbass at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (XVuno)

251 Weasel, just got here. I guess everybody's sending mail. Check your inbox.
Now to the thread, I see some good stuff.

Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (TKe9u)

252 My bottom line is simple, because I am simple, the 2nd is clear and simple, don't need a permit or a license. Don't need a permit to buy a book or checkout a book from the local library. What is the difference? Either the 2nd is treated like the first or it is not equal to the rest of TBOR. Don't get me started on the 9th and 10th.

Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (kO3Bf)

253 247 And the veal.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NWiLs)

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Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)

Meh. They keep crashing.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:55 PM (NWiLs)

254 251 Weasel, just got here. I guess everybody's sending mail. Check your inbox.
Now to the thread, I see some good stuff.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (TKe9u)
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Got it, RI Ref!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:56 PM (eShRD)

255 If I recall correctly, Churchill also had a Thompson submachine gun

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 08:56 PM (oeKeQ)

256 There were two different .455 cartridges, rimmed and rimless, right?

The rimmed was for the Webley revolvers, and it's very soft-shooting. Giant bullet, fat case, low velocity.

I think the auto-loader version was a little more brisk.

Correct. I may have to look at a thing called a "book" to confirm the self loading load. As I tend to look at wanker magnets as merely a tool designed to fight your way to a machine gun where proper injury is to be given, I forget a lot of detail on the things.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:56 PM (bgJ0E)

257 Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)

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You can tip them or wipe them. Like with a cloth.

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016, Who Will Never Be President of the United States at November 17, 2019 08:57 PM (XVuno)

258 Deer hunting this week (Season A ended this afternoon), so no range report. I did manage to kill a very large doe yesterday with a single shot from my 300 BLK AR pistol. I was somewhat skeptical of hunting deer with such a small cartridge, but the result speaks for itself. All things equal, proper bullet placement trumps cartridge power every time.

Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 08:57 PM (pLFo9)

259 Howdy PacosMojo!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:58 PM (eShRD)

260 Anna Puma: this is likely old news to you, but the link goes to the IJN AAR was translated and disseminated by the Strategic Bomb Survey folks a couple years after the war.

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online
-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/j/
japanese-story-of-the-battle-of-midway.html

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 08:59 PM (NqeSm)

261 Still have an hour folks - anything else you would like to discuss?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

262 Was the race of Sam's friend mentioned?

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (2DOZq)

263 In your favorite search engine, type the phrase you're looking for in quotes and add site:acecomments.mu.nu.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (qc+VF)


That's it! Thank you!

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (i/wJA)

264
The waitress is made of veal?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)

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she lives for milky loads...

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (NqeSm)

265 I think the auto-loader version was a little more brisk.



Correct. I may have to look at a thing called a "book" to confirm
the self loading load. As I tend to look at wanker magnets as merely a
tool designed to fight your way to a machine gun where proper injury is
to be given, I forget a lot of detail on the things.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:56 PM (bgJ0E)

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I'm assuming the .455 rimless was for the Webley and Scott automatic, which was produced in fairly small numbers.* It figures that the Brits would then demand American guns be rechambered for it.

*For a world war. A peacetime run of 5,000 or so isn't bad, but when other models' serial numbers are into six digits, it's a hiccup.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:02 PM (cfSRQ)

266
Still have an hour folks - anything else you would like to discuss?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

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We could go with something designed to stir discussion:.380 ACP: worthless or useless?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:04 PM (cfSRQ)

267 That primer? I've had the same Fizz. Nothing. It's when the primer is in bass ackwards.
Ask me how I know.
Actually, don't.

Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 09:04 PM (TKe9u)

268 215....

I agree with shorter, more frequent range sessions. Especially when shooting the big stuff. I already fight a bit of a flinch. Shooting more than 50 rounds in a single day of 44 Magnum for instance, becomes counterproductive for most people.

Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 09:05 PM (pLFo9)

269 261 Still have an hour folks - anything else you would like to discuss?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

B( . )( . )BS

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 09:05 PM (NWiLs)

270 "An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way."

Amazon just dropped off a 9mm laser round so that I can shoot at the laser targets using the Grand Power.

So yes to more frequent trips to the range and add to it, much more practice at home.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (lD3vL)

271 267 That primer? I've had the same Fizz. Nothing. It's when the primer is in bass ackwards.
Ask me how I know.
Actually, don't.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 09:04 PM (TKe9u)
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I've seen that once in a box of commercial ammo, and once on the line in a match among a competitors handloads.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

272 That's it! Thank you!

(*Digs toe into dirt*) Aw shucks, ma'am. 'Tweren't nuthin'.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (qc+VF)

273 Speaking of Sigs I see a crapton of P320s for sale in the used market for ~$500

Something wrong with them?

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (ZfRYq)

274 I feel bad for all you folks that can't shoot right out the backdoor...and Idaho is full up

Posted by: Builder Berg at November 17, 2019 09:07 PM (hpEr0)

275 259...

Hi Weasel. Thanks again for this great thread.

Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 09:07 PM (pLFo9)

276

Hi Weasel. Thanks again for this great thread.
Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 09:07 PM (pLFo9)
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You're very welcome. Kind of quiet tonight but glad to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

277 We could go with something designed to stir discussion:.380 ACP: worthless or useless?

Bad OPSEC. While the .380 will do nothing more than piss off your target, the noise will attract unwanted attention for when you must resort to the combat knife.

Get to the gym and get some practical weapons disarming training.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (lD3vL)

278 Over many years, I've always tended to shoot to the left. Sometimes it's very pronounced - a clear line right down the center of the target.

As I've gotten more experienced, the tendency has faded somewhat, but it comes back from time to time.

Today it came back again, and I countered it by strengthening my grip. I grew up with the mantra that you should press the trigger and the report of the firearm should come as a slight surprise.

But I find when I do that, I go to the left - probably because the rest of my grip is too loose. So now I'm using a much more aggressive grip and the problem has gone away. My last target wasn't stellar, but the misses were evenly distributed around the perimeter rather than all going left.

So I'm counting that as a win.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (cfSRQ)

279 I took junior Nerada out for youth deer season a couple of weeks ago. He had a clear shot at a doe, but it had a fawn with it so he passed. We did hear the buck we had seen on the trail can half a hour later, but he came from a weird direction and winded us. Still, I was proud to accompany a responsible young hunter. Hunting is much more than shooting.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (oeKeQ)

280 279 I took junior Nerada out for youth deer season a couple of weeks ago. He had a clear shot at a doe, but it had a fawn with it so he passed. We did hear the buck we had seen on the trail can half a hour later, but he came from a weird direction and winded us. Still, I was proud to accompany a responsible young hunter. Hunting is much more than shooting.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (oeKeQ)
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Nice. Good job.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:10 PM (MVjcR)

281 I did manage to kill a very large doe yesterday with a single shot from my 300 BLK AR pistol. I was somewhat skeptical of hunting deer with such a small cartridge, but the result speaks for itself. All things equal, proper bullet placement trumps cartridge power every time.

So, in other words, you were at point-blank range.

Good stalking skills there.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:11 PM (lD3vL)

282 A good young man is heading down Frank's way for probably at least a couple of years to work.

I will worry.

Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (tNa3+)

283 Bad OPSEC. While the .380 will do nothing more than
piss off your target, the noise will attract unwanted attention for
when you must resort to the combat knife.



Get to the gym and get some practical weapons disarming training.



Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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I'm firmly in the 'shot placement trumps caliber' camp. I've looked at lots of shootings and vanishingly few have a perp who got hit and wasn't bothered by it.

I do think there is a difference between crime and combat. In combat, yes, you may have an issue with 'stopping power' but criminals tend to be opportunists, not fanatics.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (cfSRQ)

284 Hey all!

I have to add one more dig onto the Tula pileup. I went through 1k of Tula 9mm a while ago- no duds or backwards primers, but I did have plenty of failures to feed.

Eventually I realized that the steel cases had more friction on the inside of the magazine than brass does, and mags would exhibit very sluggish feeding for the first few rounds. Loading mags to under capacity led to much better reliability, so my guns could be more efficiently covered with that filthy Tula powder residue.

On the other hand, as others have mentioned, Tula 762x39 is perfectly suitable for AKs. No failures of any kind in the case I went through, and I find it slightly more accurate than the Wolf steel cased ammo.

Carry on!

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (f0Pv6)

285 Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM


The folks who tried one at the TXMoMe seemed to like it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:13 PM (DMUuz)

286
I feel bad for all you folks that can't shoot right out the backdoor...

Phrasing

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 09:13 PM (aKsyK)

287 Speaking of Sigs I see a crapton of P320s for sale in the used market for ~$500



Something wrong with them?

Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (ZfRYq)

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People probably got into them because they were the new hotness and are now getting out because it's not new anymore.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:13 PM (cfSRQ)

288
So I'm counting that as a win.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (cfSRQ)
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Yep.
I think some shooters, especially new shooters, become too obsessed with tiny groups rather than working on fundamentals and letting group size resolve itself. If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet or so you're doing fine.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

289 We could go with something designed to stir discussion:.380 ACP: worthless or useless?

Fair game. I've always thought that if the first rule of gunfights was "bring a gun," the second should be "bring enough gun" and that .380 was just on the wrong side of the line. But current ammo tech has changed my mind about that. It'll never be as "enough" as a 9mm but in some cases the tradeoff for concealability is worth it. All just IMO, of course.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:15 PM (qc+VF)

290 The search instructions worked! I am working on implementing some of the stellar advice one receives from the Horde and needed to find the thread where I got it.

Thanks again!

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:17 PM (i/wJA)

291 One of the mags has an extension for pinkies. No swappable back straps so I have to say you'll just have to try it.

Wear SAP gloves that make for a good fit with the additional benefit of serving as an ad hoc weapon when the ammo is gone.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:17 PM (lD3vL)

292 Yep.

I think some shooters, especially new shooters, become too obsessed
with tiny groups rather than working on fundamentals and letting group
size resolve itself. If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet
or so you're doing fine.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

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I agree. A friend of mine has his own range and for the longest time all he's done is slow fire, standard target.

Then he took the CPL class and realized that self-defense isn't likely to be like that.

So now we've got some silhouettes and are mixing things up. One thing I want to do next year is play with shooting some melons or gourds to see just how different that .455 is than 9mm on something other than paper.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:17 PM (cfSRQ)

293 281...

I wish I could say I "still hunted" up to that deer and took her down Jeremiah Johnson style. But in reality, I shot her from a blind at approximately 125 yards from my position. Hunting small farms is pretty much a tree stand or sit on the ground type of proposition. If you try still hunting, you'll run them off the property more often that not.

Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 09:17 PM (pLFo9)

294 And on that note, I'm done for the night. See y'all around!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:18 PM (cfSRQ)

295 If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet or so you're doing fine.
Posted by: Weasel

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Totally agree. When I am planning to shoot an animal at 300-400 yards with a rifle, I look for close groups. With a 4 inch barrel pistol for defense at 25 yards, anything in a one foot circle is a good hit.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:19 PM (oeKeQ)

296 ' night, A.H.L.!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:19 PM (MVjcR)

297 Good concealed carry for a lefty? I'm thinking small, 9mm for now. But a smaller mag and larger caliber are fine too if the weapon can still be concealed OWB holster.
Any recommendations would be welcome.

Posted by: Quilp at November 17, 2019 09:19 PM (Fxgkp)

298 Never shot any Tula ammo, but had a bad experience with Winchester steel case 9mm. Jammed up my wife's PPQ. Had to take the slide clean off and pry it open to get the cartridge out. Won't be trying to save a couple of bux buying steel case no more.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 17, 2019 09:19 PM (RBFmA)

299 ould be "bring enough gun" and that .380 was just on the wrong side of the line. But current ammo tech has changed my mind about that. It'll never be as "enough" as a 9mm but in some cases the tradeoff for concealability is worth it. All just IMO, of course.

.380 is a "summer gun" because you don't need to punch through leather jackets and other heavier garments.

If the round manages to expand when it meets the target, then it was good enough.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:20 PM (lD3vL)

300 but criminals tend to be opportunists, not fanatics.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (cfSRQ)


Of course "tend to" is the issue. What are the odds *you* meet the exception to the rule, carrying a 5-shot .22? Or you ~never~ meet the exception carrying a miniature elephant gun? It's risk management and playing the odds (and planning for the odds), and yes, for those odds you're better off being a really good shot in a tactical situation than just lugging about big bullets.

Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (7wfSc)

301 That primer? I've had the same Fizz. Nothing. It's when the primer is in bass ackwards.
Ask me how I know.
Actually, don't.


I do have an actual, non-snarky (yeah, me, really) question. If you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (qc+VF)

302 Primers. Once had a very strange stopage/incident during a C9 5.56 shoot. Weapon fires, weapon stops. I was RCO. The gun team pair were about to go thru the stoppage drills when something had me go "STOP STOP STOP". The noise was wrong.Round in the chamber, belt in the feedway. Rd in chamber had been struck but not fired. Projectile still in case. I thought the noise was a round without powder, so the primer would fire the projectile 5 inches into the chamber so that the next round would hit it and send steel into orbit. Cleared the chamber and feedway and took barrel off and inspected. All clear. Fuck thats weird? Had a closer look at unfired rd. Looked normal except for a primer that did not go off after being struck. But the noise was odd? I did hear a primer go pop. But projectile still in case? No powder? WTF?
Gun team carry on and 3 or 4 rds later same thing. Fuck stop, stop, stop!
Cut the offending rds apart. NO FLASHHOLE IN BRASS. Had primer, powder and projectile just no way to link them. FN (Belgium) ammo.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 09:22 PM (bgJ0E)

303
I do have an actual, non-snarky (yeah, me, really) question. If you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (qc+VF)
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I haven't ever put one in backwards, but I have had to c a r e f u l l y deprime cases before using a depriming die. Probably not worth the risk.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

304 A few things I've been meaning to include in the thread.

I've found CCI Bl*zer 22lr ammo to be the most consistently accurate of any of the non-premium 22s. I keep an eye out for it on sale.

If you have a CZ 75b 9mm, it might pay to check out the Kadet 22lr kit made for it. You can change to the kit in a minute or two and it has been as accurate as any regular semi-auto.

I find I get better accuracy with cast bullets than with jacketed out to two hundred yards. They are oversized by maybe .001 or .002 and not driven to the highest possible muzzle velocity. They are often more comfortable to shoot and are far cheaper than buying jacketed.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:24 PM (bmdz3)

305 282 A good young man is heading down Frank's way for probably at least a couple of years to work.

I will worry.
Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (tNa3+)


Wait, what? Who where, when? Persec of course.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 09:25 PM (bgJ0E)

306 Cut the offending rds apart. NO FLASHHOLE IN BRASS. Had primer, powder and projectile just no way to link them. FN (Belgium) ammo.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 09:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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I wondered briefly if that might have been the problem above!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

307 The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.

Posted by: blaster

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How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM


You'll probably want the 12 round mags, but otherwise I suspect you'll like it.

You might want to look at the P365 XL, too.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:27 PM (DMUuz)

308 Quilp @ 297- Lately been carrying owb right hip a Glock G48. Single stack 10+1 9mm. Very slim right at 1 inch at widest, length about like a G19. In other words very concealable. Go to your gunshop and hold one in your hand. Did I mention they are very reliable? Ameriglo sights came on mine because we all know Glock factory sights are the first thing we change.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 09:27 PM (UUkQp)

309 Good concealed carry for a lefty? I'm thinking small, 9mm for now. But a smaller mag and larger caliber are fine too if the weapon can still be concealed OWB holster.
Any recommendations would be welcome.


I am a total whore for the Grand Power P1. Inexpensive 9mm that conceals well, and due to its unique rotating barrel noticeably reduces felt recoil to hot 380 levels. they are stingy on the mags, but come with replaceable back straps.

Every female who has fired this gun does very well due to the balance and reduced recoil.

And it checks off the ambidextrous checkboxes, ambi magazine release, ambi safety and ambi slide release. I jacked up my strong side wrist so I have been training weak side. Only problem is the holster (which are difficult to find.) I did get a good leather hand made OWB imported from MASC International.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:28 PM (lD3vL)

310 You'll probably want the 12 round mags, but otherwise I suspect you'll like it.

You might want to look at the P365 XL, too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

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Thanks, I'll have to give it a try

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:29 PM (oeKeQ)

311 301 ... "f you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?"

I've done this a couple of times in priming many thousands of cases. Rather than take a chance, I disposed of them in the dud box at the range.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:29 PM (bmdz3)

312 criminals tend to be opportunists, not fanatics.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (cfSRQ)


I worry about encountering an ill-intentioned person who is is not considering the consequences, such as someone under the influence of drugs or mental illness. I've heard the stories of needing to empty an entire magazine and hoping the thug doesn't reach you until after he's lost enough blood.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:30 PM (i/wJA)

313 "f you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?"

I've done this a couple of times in priming many thousands of cases. Rather than take a chance, I disposed of them in the dud box at the range.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:29 PM (bmdz3)
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Smart man!

I've also fired primed but unloaded rifle cases for the same reason if I wanted to keep the brass. Primers are about as loud as a 22lr

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

314 You'll probably want the 12 round mags, but otherwise I suspect you'll like it.

You might want to look at the P365 XL, too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

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I agree on the Grand Power or another option is the Beretta PX4 compact.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:31 PM (oeKeQ)

315

I assumed you could not install a primer upside down unless you installed it from the inside of the cartridge. Shows what I know.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 09:32 PM (aKsyK)

316 Hey Weasel, before the ONT kicks off, just wanted to say thanks again for moderating this thread and group of neer-do-wells.

Great content and discussion from all - I have so much to learn.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:33 PM (Y4EXg)

317 Oops wrong copy

Good concealed carry for a lefty? I'm thinking small, 9mm for now. But a smaller mag and larger caliber are fine too if the weapon can still be concealed OWB holster.
Any recommendations would be welcome

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Grand Power or Beretta PX4 compact.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:33 PM (oeKeQ)

318 Oddly enough, people who dis the .380/9mm Kurz don't seem to be willing to be a target for it at 15 yards.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:33 PM (DMUuz)

319 Oddly enough, people who dis the .380/9mm Kurz don't seem to be willing to be a target for it at 15 yards.

I'm not a fan of getting hit by pellet or paintball guns either.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:34 PM (lD3vL)

320 Primer in backwards? Throw the damn thing away, like maybe into a roaring fire or not.
Second option. Bullet remover hammer. Remove bullet, remove powder. Sloooowly lower deprimer into empty cartridge. Do not have face anywhere near. Wear safety glasses and earmuffs.
Now that you saved ten cents of brass, kick yourself in the ass for being a cheap ass tightwad.
Like me.

Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (TKe9u)

321 Hey Weasel, before the ONT kicks off, just wanted to say thanks again for moderating this thread and group of neer-do-wells.

Great content and discussion from all - I have so much to learn.


Yup. Ditto all of that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (qc+VF)

322 316 Hey Weasel, before the ONT kicks off, just wanted to say thanks again for moderating this thread and group of neer-do-wells.

Great content and discussion from all - I have so much to learn.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:33 PM (Y4EXg)
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You are most very welcome, Tonypete! It really is my pleasure. And that goes for all of you clowns. It's great to just hang out and have a conversation with like-minded people.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

323
I'm not a fan of getting hit by pellet or paintball guns either.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy


You'll put your eye out, kid!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (aKsyK)

324 323
I'm not a fan of getting hit by pellet or paintball guns either.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy

You'll put your eye out, kid!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at Novem


Its all fun and games until someone loses a hymen.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 09:37 PM (bgJ0E)

325
Yup. Ditto all of that.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (qc+VF)
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Thank you BtB. Hey - have you made to an F-Class match yet?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

326 312, Emmie. If you're worried about ill-intentioned people no t being deterred by a smaller bullet, I suggest watching a few ASP videos on YouTube. What I noticed is that when the shooting starts, the bad guys almost always run away quick as they can. Or fall down dead. I don't recall ever seeing a video of a bad guy advancing on someone shooting at them. Maybe it happens, but I doubt that often.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 17, 2019 09:38 PM (RBFmA)

327 Eromero, I feel for you, bro. But your pix have no actual snow in them.
Like my last Wednesday's season opening experience.
At 10 degrees Fahrenheit and 44 degrees North Latitude.

Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 09:38 PM (TKe9u)

328 295 If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet or so you're doing fine.
Posted by: Weasel


Listen and heed. Wisdom from the man yclept "Destroyer of X-Rings".

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:39 PM (DMUuz)

329 Weasel, Thanks for another fun gun thread.

BTW, that 41 magnum is proving to be a LOT of fun. If you aren't familiar with the caliber, especially compared to the 357 and 44 mags, you'll have to try it when we can shoot together. I think you would find it interesting.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (bmdz3)

330 If you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (qc+VF)
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I haven't ever put one in backwards, but I have had to c a r e f u l l y deprime cases before using a depriming die. Probably not worth the risk.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)


Heavy gloves, safety goggles, a depriming die and a very slow pull on the lever. Should have added hearing protection too.

Afterward, I flipped the primer over and seated it right back in the case. (I am not a good role model)

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (f0Pv6)

331 Thank you BtB. Hey - have you made to an F-Class match yet?

I have not. It's the first Saturday of each month and this month I was out of town that weekend. Hoping to make it to the December one.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (qc+VF)

332 329 Weasel, Thanks for another fun gun thread.

BTW, that 41 magnum is proving to be a LOT of fun. If you aren't familiar with the caliber, especially compared to the 357 and 44 mags, you'll have to try it when we can shoot together. I think you would find it interesting.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (bmdz3)
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Sounds like a plan!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

333 Thanks again Weasel. Look forward to Sundays 7pm EST.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 09:41 PM (ZfBVE)

334 331 Thank you BtB. Hey - have you made to an F-Class match yet?

I have not. It's the first Saturday of each month and this month I was out of town that weekend. Hoping to make it to the December one.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (qc+VF)
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Well you know how to get in touch with me if you have any questions!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

335 RI Ref @ 327, I have zero percent bodyfat and I'm an old geezer. Don't take much to make me cold.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 09:42 PM (UUkQp)

336 333 Thanks again Weasel. Look forward to Sundays 7pm EST.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 09:41 PM (ZfBVE)
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Thanks for being here, Scuba_Dude.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

337 BTW, that 41 magnum is proving to be a LOT of fun. If you aren't familiar with the caliber, especially compared to the 357 and 44 mags, you'll have to try it when we can shoot together. I think you would find it interesting.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM


.41 Mag aficionados are understood to be some of the finest humans to walk the planet.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:44 PM (DMUuz)

338
.41 Mag aficionados are understood to be some of the finest humans to walk the planet.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:44 PM (DMUuz)
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I've heard that!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

339 Maybe it happens, but I doubt that often.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 17, 2019 09:38 PM (RBFmA)


I was talking about dangerous insane people, not reasonably rational criminals.

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:44 PM (i/wJA)

340 OK - the ONT will be along anytime. Hope you all have a good week!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:45 PM (MVjcR)

341 Thanks for hosting Weasel! Hope to meet you at a MoMe someday!

Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:47 PM (i/wJA)

342 341 Thanks for hosting Weasel! Hope to meet you at a MoMe someday!
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:47 PM (i/wJA)
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Thanks Emmie! That would be great.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

343 Ero, I too am an old geezer. Who can't even spell his nic properly. My toes and fingers don't circulate well. And I complain a lot.
BTW, what was that rifle you were shooting?

Posted by: RI Red at November 17, 2019 09:49 PM (TKe9u)

344 Speaking of Sigs I see a crapton of P320s for sale in the used market for ~$500


Something wrong with them?



Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM


I'll have to start shopping, I love mine and wouldn't mind having a spare.

Posted by: Bert G at November 17, 2019 09:49 PM (OMsf+)

345 Oooh! Oooh! Mr. Kottear!!

This probably has been argued to the death in other boards but I don't hang out in any so. . .

All other things being equal (same manuf. and very similar models), is the critical difference between an all steel frame and a polymer frame pistol the weight? (And thus recoil differences). Or are there reliability and or wear differences, for example, also?

In my case, I'm looking at a CZ 75 SP-01 tactical (steel) and a Phantom (polymer). The tactical is heavy when fully loaded - 18+1 but I've carried full size steel sidearms previously as my EDC and they don't bother me much. I am able to conceal it without issue.

Anything pop up in your minds that I should look at in detail between these two when making the final decision?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:51 PM (Y4EXg)

346 I heard an old-time doctor talk about Parkland ER work when he was young. He was threatened by a street thug and punched in the face. The duty officer was an old DPS trooper who carried a .41 magnum woo said 'Mind stepping out a while, doc?' and when the doctor came back the thug had 2 black eyes and one of his ears was sagging. Nope, not the revolver, it was the flashlight.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 09:52 PM (UUkQp)

347 Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:51 PM (Y4EXg)
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I've never liked the feel of polymer guns. I think people who carry them all day every day probably enjoy the weight difference but I just prefer steel guns. Not very scientific, I know!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

348 RI Red, it's a Browning BAR 30-06 with a Nikon scope. Proven deer and hog killer. Probably had it 15 years.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 09:55 PM (UUkQp)

349 Tonypete, I find my all steel 1911 much more comfortable to shoot. My lighter plastic fantastic Glock 21 shoots .45 more accurately. But isn't as much fun to shoot. But I'd carry it over the 1911 if I had to carry .45.

Posted by: RI Red at November 17, 2019 09:55 PM (TKe9u)

350 337 ... ".41 Mag aficionados are understood to be some of the finest humans to walk the planet."

Duncanthrax,
I appreciate your effective use of understatement.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:57 PM (bmdz3)

351 This is not OT because all of the ships and planes and land based humans at Midway had guns. Someone in the food thread posted a link to the Japanese account of what happened.

It's amazing to read it from their point of view. Our point of view is canonical, there's no need to rehash it. Theirs - I'm not even halfway through it - is fascinating.

Our guys aren't trained at all. Oh that doesn't matter we'll just go kill everyone. Their first wave against us was completely destroyed. Ouch, they punched us. Where did that come from?

Wait, what do you mean they have six carriers? No, they can't. Ouch. They punched us again. We moved the Emperor's portrait to another ship. Ouch. Damn. OK, we're moving the Emperor's portrait to the next ship.

Hey, everyone who got punched said Banzai and pledged support to the Emperor before he died. Was that another punch? Where did that come from?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 09:57 PM (gd9RK)

352 Hey, everyone who got punched said Banzai and pledged support to the Emperor before he died. Was that another punch? Where did that come from?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

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But all cultures are the same, right? LOL

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (Y4EXg)

353 Ah, yes, it has the square Browning receiver end. Hope you get some venison. I'm skunked so far.

Posted by: RI Red at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (TKe9u)

354 ONT is up. 'night!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

355 Report him to the police. Swear out a criminal complaint.

Posted by: Wit's End at November 17, 2019 10:00 PM (kCioA)

356 I live in a somewhat rural part of the seacoast area of NH. A gentleman several doors down the road from me built a small range on his property. Been determined to be safe by the local police who were promptly called by my a-hole neighbor the first time the range was used.Every time he goes out to practice, my neighbor calls the cops. Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (D3cJf)


Just hoist the red flag.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 17, 2019 10:01 PM (1g7ch)

357 TulA = crap, buddy uses a lot of it, almost always gets at least one misfire per range day. I guess it could be good because he gets a lot more practice clearing dud ammo from his firearms.

Being southpaw I have a Kimber CDP and a little Taurus .380. Carry the .380 much more than the Kimber, just easier to conceal and cheaper to run rounds thru at the range. Of course I am also betting on the "I will never use this thing" aspect and think anything that goes bang is better than a pocket knife.

Posted by: Gbone at November 17, 2019 10:03 PM (QI5PR)

358 Saw a sign at the gun shop:
"New Hampshire. Don't Mass it up. "

Posted by: RI Red at November 17, 2019 10:07 PM (TKe9u)

359 Got range time mid-week.
Yesterday, tried to unload one of the muzzleloaders at an elk. Snap. No bang.
Hate it when that happens.

Posted by: Igotnothing at November 17, 2019 11:00 PM (xf2hT)

Food Thread:The Belly Of The (Tasty) Beast, Sex In The City And Russian Layer Cake?

porchetta11.jpg

I recently had a marvelous dish, but I can't find a photograph of anything similar, and I was too frantically stuffing it into my mouth to push myself away from the plate long enough to take a photograph. Above is a porchetta from New Orleans, and it looks similar enough, although the spicing would, I guess, be radically different.

What was it? Well, as far as I can tell it was a trimmed pork loin wrapped with pork belly, then slow roasted for awhile, then finished in a very hot oven to crisp the skin. It was served in three-inch slices, and every bite was wonderfully moist meat coupled with the fat of the pork belly and the intense crispiness of the skin. It was served with a Yorkshire pudding and sage gravy, with apple sauce (thankfully on the side, because apple sauce is disgusting).

Many pork belly recipes call for aggressive spices and herbs, but this one was pretty simple: salt and pepper and maybe a bit of thyme. Nothing else except for that luscious pork and pork fat...

This is excellent cooking. It wasn't chef food, it was more like the stuff great cooks make when they want something simple and wonderful. Start with good quality pork, pay attention to time and temperature, and you will be good to go. That's the kind of cooking most of us love, and actively seek out, whether it's coming out of a local restaurant or an aunt's kitchen.

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For some strange reason, commenter Bluebell thinks this is the greatest cocktail in the entire cocktail-drinking world, and held her breath and stamped her feet until I posted the recipe. Personally, I think it is way too much work for what shakes out as a fancy Cosmo. I don't drink 'em, but some of you people (probably Mets and Red Sox and "Sex In The City" fans) might...

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The recipe is from Bobby Flay, via Ina Garten and The Today Show, which should tell you all you need to know.


Ingredients

  • 1 cup sugar
  • 1 cup fresh cranberries
  • 6 1 x 3-inch strips orange zest, plus extra for garnish
  • 1 cup water
  • 1 750ml bottle good vodka
  • 1 cup cranberry juice cocktail, preferably tart
  • 1/4 cup Triple Sec
  • Ice

Preparation

1. Several days ahead: Place the sugar, cranberries, 6 strips of orange zest, and 1 cup of water in a small saucepan. Bring to a boil, lower the heat, and simmer for 5 minutes, until the cranberries start to pop open. Pour the vodka into a large pitcher, add the cranberry mixture, and store covered in the refrigerator for at least 2 days and up to 5 days.

2. When ready to serve, strain the vodka mixture, reserving the cranberries and discarding the orange zest. Stir in the cranberry juice cocktail and Triple Sec. Fill a cocktail shaker with ice, add the drink mixture, shake for a full 30 seconds (it's longer than you think!), and strain into martini glasses. Rub the rim of each glass with fresh orange zest, spoon a few cranberries into each glass and serve ice cold.

The recipe claims this makes enough for six drinks, but as Bluebell pointed out, that is a hefty pour, even for tough Yankee fans. It's also pretty sweet, which would suggest a smaller drink, at least for me. Actually it's the sugar that makes it too big a pour, not the alcohol. My martinis and Old Fashioneds are that big, but they aren't sweet.
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Chef John is a loon. By design. But still a loon. However, he is a very good cook, and behind the weird vocal tics and strange pacing lies a very useful source of cooking info.

Russian Honey Cake sounds great. And way too much work for me. But I am not a very good baker (except for bread), and even worse at fine baking like layer cakes. So someone please make this and invite me over for a slice or three. I'll bring the port.

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Okay, I have a vague recollection of this stuff, but not in my house. Maybe on a camping trip with someone else, or just walking past it in the supermarket and pausing in horrid fascination.

Anyone remember this stuff? Here's a crazy Russian and a ditzy American tasting canned bread and not being sure what to make of it.

Hat Tip: redc1c4, who had it as a kid and blotted out the memory.

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This is a very good question, and I have first-hand knowledge that this guy is correct about one of them, and second-hand knowledge that he is correct about a second one. I will defer to The Horde for the tequila tasting....
What Booze Is Worth Buying at Costco?
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Dutch Baby.jpg

Skip continues on his quest to feed The Moron Horde. Hopefully he is a better cook than photographer, although he is an early riser, so he is forgiven for the paleness of his Dutch Baby...

This is the Dutch Baby I made Thursday morning, The top should have been a little more fried but was rushing it.

Buttered Black iron pan, apples sliced and placed pinwheeled fashion fried a bit, pancake mix poured over and covered on stove top. After judging the time right move to 350 degree oven until toothpick comes out clean.


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Za'atar roasted chicken over sumac potatoes

I like za'atar quite a bit, but sumac less so, so I will try this without the sumac. The technique is solid, however I would suggest that you simply use a temperature probe and shoot for about 155 degrees in the breast.

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Food and cooking tips, Castelvetrano olives with a sprinkle of chili flakes, young wild pigs, crisp bacon (although I am moving toward less crisp), thick and fluffy pita, and good tomatoes that aren't square, pale pink and covered with Mestizo E.coli: cbd dot aoshq at gmail dot com. Any advocacy of French Toast with syrup will result in disciplinary action up to and including being nuked from orbit. And yes, shaking a Manhattan is blasphemy...it's in the Bible!

Posted by: CBD at 04:00 PM




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1 Yummy!!!!

Posted by: Cheribebe at November 17, 2019 04:01 PM (a4qVe)

2 Roomy in the kitchen

Posted by: Cheribebe at November 17, 2019 04:02 PM (a4qVe)

3 Better alert the hordians

Posted by: Cheribebe at November 17, 2019 04:02 PM (a4qVe)

4 I did rush the frying of the apples, the usual problem if it is is to well done they stick a little

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:02 PM (ZCEU2)

5 I nooded the others.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 04:03 PM (Dhht7)

6 First maple syrup, then applesauce.

Commie.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 17, 2019 04:04 PM (7s3Gx)

7
Food, glorious food!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 04:04 PM (7rVsF)

8 And have been on the whole disappointed how my tablet is as a camera.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:04 PM (ZCEU2)

9 Does this mean the last thread on turkey wasn't the food thread?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 04:04 PM (MVjcR)

10 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:04 PM (arJlL)

11 And have been on the whole disappointed how my tablet is as a camera.
Posted by: Skip

How is it as a frisbee ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:05 PM (arJlL)

12 Did I tell you guys I recently invented mixing beans and rice together?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 04:07 PM (MVjcR)

13 Is anyone trying any new recipes for Thanksgiving?

Posted by: Cheribebe at November 17, 2019 04:07 PM (a4qVe)

14 Looking for simple ideas to make my bland turkey taste more delicious, any ideas?

Posted by: Zeno the Stoic at November 17, 2019 04:09 PM (cGlgB)

15 Did I tell you guys I recently invented mixing beans and rice together?

That anything like red beans and rice?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 17, 2019 04:09 PM (7s3Gx)

16 My contribution to the cookbook was cranberry liquor which I then make into a Cosmo. Only item I add to the mix is cointreau. I make a years worth of the base liquor. It will keep refrigerated for 1 year.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 17, 2019 04:09 PM (N3JsI)

17 Looking for simple ideas to make my bland turkey taste more delicious, any ideas?

Are you brining it?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 17, 2019 04:09 PM (7s3Gx)

18 JT - There are time I am tempted to see, touch screens can suck

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:09 PM (ZCEU2)

19 That cocktail looks great! I may try it for Christmas dinner.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (dUJdY)

20 Flesh.

Flesh for fantasy.

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (XzT/D)

21 15 Did I tell you guys I recently invented mixing beans and rice together?

That anything like red beans and rice?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 17, 2019 04:09 PM (7s3Gx)
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No. Pinto beans. Pinto beans and rice.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (MVjcR)

22 because apple sauce is disgusting

Guess I won't be sharing my apple sauce recipe with you?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (Dhht7)

23 I've not made this but it makes me...i...i...La Donna E Mobile...

Posted by: LoneRanger at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (C+gy5)

24
Did I tell you guys I recently invented mixing beans and rice together?

Posted by: Weasel


Were the beans other than red beans? Did you obtain unexpected results? If so, are you going to patent it? Was WeaselDog one of the inventors?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (7rVsF)

25 No. Pinto beans. Pinto beans and rice.

Sounds like it'd taste ok.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (7s3Gx)

26 Is anyone trying any new recipes for Thanksgiving?

Saw a recipe on FB for glazed carrots that looked good. I may ditch the yams and do the carrots.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:11 PM (dUJdY)

27 Where are the claws on that lobster?

Posted by: Masha Potatovich at November 17, 2019 04:11 PM (EgshT)

28 >>17 Looking for simple ideas to make my bland turkey taste more delicious, any ideas?

Yes. Turkey roll. The turkey breast is pounded out until thin, a layer of cranberry salad and stuffing is spread on it, roll, tie, roast, slice on bias. Beautifully mutated.

Flesh for fantasy.

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 04:12 PM (XzT/D)

29 Zeno. Brine it. I use the Pioneer Woman's apple cider brine recipe. I do cut down on the sugar since sugar tends to brown the skin too quickly. Nice flavor and very moist breast meat.
https://tinyurl.com/r6838v3
I also spatchcock the turkey and roast it flat on a bed of celery, apple and onion.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 17, 2019 04:12 PM (N3JsI)

30 truth be known, i remember liking the canned bread, but i don't really remember where/when i had it.

that moves into the earlier days of my unhappy childhood, since those are the dimmest memories of all the ones i've been suppressing all these years.

(i want to say we ate it with butter spread on top)

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 04:13 PM (NqeSm)

31 Yes, thank you, I will try everything. Even a thimblefull of that vodka simple syrup stuff, before my lemon zest martini.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 04:14 PM (NVYyb)

32 Hubby NEC likes the Kirkland brand Irish Cream. Says it has more of a kick then Bailey's.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 17, 2019 04:15 PM (N3JsI)

33 B&M Brown Bread. You love it or hate it. I love it, but don't have it often because I live alone and don't want to eat it for 3 days in a row. Growing up, we had it with hot dogs and baked beans. Toasted, with butter.

Posted by: liz953 at November 17, 2019 04:15 PM (frv51)

34 I dry brine my turkey overnight. Leave it uncovered and the skin dries out and gets super crisp when roasted.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:16 PM (ptqGC)

35 25 No. Pinto beans. Pinto beans and rice.

Sounds like it'd taste ok.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (7s3Gx)
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The trick is using canned pinto beans with jalapeños.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 04:16 PM (MVjcR)

36 Zod uses the Pioneer Woman's nice flavor and very moist breast meat.

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 04:16 PM (XzT/D)

37 Often those 4am breakfasts get close to burning as I'm banging away here and not watching the stove.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:16 PM (ZCEU2)

38 even for tough Yankee fans.

Folks from the Boston area say Yankee fans are effete.

Whom to believe?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 04:16 PM (DMUuz)

39 Getting ready to make some ricotta cheese here. I've done it several times, but I always wonder if it is better to add the vinegar/lemon juice at the beginning or wait until after the milk is hot. Thoughts?

Posted by: cfo mom at November 17, 2019 04:16 PM (RfzVr)

40 GIVE ME ALL THE PORK BELLY

Posted by: Mars Needs Moms at November 17, 2019 04:17 PM (G546f)

41 For some strange reason, commenter Bluebell thinks this is the greatest cocktail in the entire cocktail-drinking world, and held her breath and stamped her feet until I posted the recipe.



Bluebell is a lovely woman and her husband is not too intimidating so I'll totally hit on her next time we meet, but that cocktail is silly.

Any cocktail made with vodka is just take something you like to drink and pour vodka in it. Cocktails in general are silly, they're a relic from the days of Prohibition when alcohol tasted awful and you had to gussy it up.

I have said something similar before and some smartypants had a pre-Prohibition cocktail recipe book but that's not the point.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 04:17 PM (gd9RK)

42
Were the beans other than red beans? Did you obtain unexpected results? If so, are you going to patent it? Was WeaselDog one of the inventors?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (7rVsF)
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I'm sure WD would scarf it up given the chance!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 04:18 PM (MVjcR)

43 OOps. On my Cosmo forgot the lime juice.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 17, 2019 04:18 PM (N3JsI)

44 That pork belly looks to me like American haggis

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:18 PM (ZCEU2)

45 Looking for simple ideas to make my bland turkey taste more delicious, any ideas?


Posted by: Zeno the Stoic at November 17, 2019 04:09 PM (cGlgB)

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inject it a couple of days ahead of time...

i mix up a liquid made from various ingredients, such as fresh fruit juice, powdered spices, pomegranate molasses, dissolved jalapeno jelly, etc, as the spirit moves me, then push it into the bird.

being a pharmacy family, we have a supply of 60cc syringes, and the appropriate needles, but there are inexpensive kits out there that do the same thing.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 04:18 PM (NqeSm)

46 >>38 tough Yankee fans.

Marinade in fresh pineapple juice to tenderize them.

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 04:18 PM (XzT/D)

47 Is anyone trying any new recipes for Thanksgiving?

We might... if it's not raining too hard, will likely just grill burgers.

Big, fat, cheese-y bacon-y burgers with homemade french fries!

First year without Dad. Mom long gone. Just me n hubby and possibly one brother...

Posted by: JQ at November 17, 2019 04:19 PM (gP/Z3)

48 Skip, your apple breakfast looks delicious. Do you add cinnamon and sugar?

Posted by: Mrs. JTB at November 17, 2019 04:19 PM (bmdz3)

49 Weasel, or can make your own homemade pinto beans (refried beans). Simple and makes a lot. Freeze what you don't use right away. I always make a big pot and we have plenty left to make huevos rancheros, bean burritos etc.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:20 PM (dUJdY)

50 Hey hey hey, I was just trying to help CBD get his food thread written because I knew he was away and I also knew people wanted ideas for Thanksgiving. And I thought that drink sounded nice and it has cranberries and it can be mostly done in advance so SUE ME which is a much nicer way of saying what I'd really like to say but I'm too polite.*

*but you can guess

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 04:20 PM (sTBcq)

51 Where are the claws on that lobster?

Not Claws CRAWS !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:20 PM (arJlL)

52
Her Majesty likes the Costco margarita mix.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 04:21 PM (7rVsF)

53 No sugar, everything gets cinnamon
Am trying to cut down on sugar in det

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:21 PM (ZCEU2)

54 Bander -

Bayonne doesn't stink anymore ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:21 PM (arJlL)

55 "... because apple sauce is disgusting".The stuff you get in the supermarket is overly sweet, and otherwise tasteless. Our home-made applesauce is much better; we'd make it from bruised apples that we got at the farmer's market for next to nothing. However, that pales in compared with our homemade pear sauce. Our old place had a pear tree in the backyard, and we'd sauce the overripe pears and can it. No extra sugar was needed, but we'd add some cinnamon and occasionally some allspice. That sauce is absolutely delicious on roast pork, especially when it's hickory-smoked.

Posted by: Brown Line at November 17, 2019 04:22 PM (S6ArX)

56 No sugar, everything gets cinnamon
Am trying to cut down on sugar in det
Posted by: Skip

OR-

You could stay OUT of Detroit altogether.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:22 PM (arJlL)

57 Just did the reverse sear on two USDA Prime ribeyes that I got from Sams earlier today. Absolutely wonderful.

These steaks were so well marbled that they looked like Waygu beef.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 04:22 PM (JUOKG)

58 Saw a recipe on FB for glazed carrots that looked good. I may ditch the yams and do the carrots.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:11

Jewells, was never fan of carrots except when cooked w roast. However, lately I've been cooking them stove top and/or roasted in oven. Cover w beef broth, throw in some thyme (rosemary optional).

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 04:23 PM (Dhht7)

59 In the Philippines that pork belly would be called lechon. We just had some 2 nights ago. Of course my wife can't roast an entire pig as would be traditional, so she uses pork belly. Seasoned with herbs such as whole segments garlic and long stem lemon grass (very fragrant), which is then rolled and tied. Placed in a rotisserie until the skin is very crunchy. Makes a nice gravy too, although Filipinos don't do gravy.

Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:23 PM (0ldxZ)

60 tough Yankee fans.

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Marinade in fresh pineapple juice to tenderize them.
Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 04:18 PM


Good idea. Lemon juice would just further acerbicize their well-known astringency.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 04:24 PM (DMUuz)

61 Hey hey hey, I was just trying to help CBD get his food thread written because I knew he was away and I also knew people wanted ideas for Thanksgiving. And I thought that drink sounded nice and it has cranberries and it can be mostly done in advance so SUE ME which is a much nicer way of saying what I'd really like to say but I'm too polite.*

*but you can guess
Posted by: bluebell

Hiya Bluebell !

On the ride home, are you gonna stick your head out the window the WHOLE way ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:24 PM (arJlL)

62 Dromedary Date Nut Bread in a can used to be a thing.

Hasn't been seen in stores for years. That's a shame. Loved it. B&M brown bread in a can, not so much.

Posted by: Lump at November 17, 2019 04:25 PM (p9n/K)

63
In the Philippines that pork belly would be called lechon. We just had
some 2 nights ago. Of course my wife can't roast an entire pig as would
be traditional, so she uses pork belly. Seasoned with herbs such as
whole segments garlic and long stem lemon grass (very fragrant), which
is then rolled and tied. Placed in a rotisserie until the skin is very
crunchy. Makes a nice gravy too, although Filipinos don't do gravy.





Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:23 PM

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I miss those roasted in the ground whole pigs from the PI. Those things were the bomb.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 04:26 PM (JUOKG)

64

Busy making stuffed cabbage (rolls) at the moment.

A treat for us.

bon appetit y'all!

Posted by: Curious Georg 'ette at November 17, 2019 04:27 PM (vEIlU)

65 Bayonne doesn't stink anymore ?


At what? Do they have a football team?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 04:27 PM (gd9RK)

66 That sounds good olddog. I love carrots but coming up with interesting recipes is a challenge.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:28 PM (dUJdY)

67 If you can get a bottle of Mang Tomas pork roast sauce, it goes wonderful with it. Any Asian market should carry it.

Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:28 PM (0ldxZ)

68 Costco's blended scotch isn't bad but the London Dry Gin is only good for Gin and Tonics.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at November 17, 2019 04:28 PM (Vf4Y7)

69 Dromedary Date Nut Bread in a can used to be a thing.

(refrains from mentioning Surprise Anal in the Can......)

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:29 PM (arJlL)

70 I had the canned brown bread as a kid - it was OK, warmed - but very heavy, so a slice of it went a long way. IIRC, it was part of a dinner menu featuring Boston baked beans and codfish cakes - I think it must have been a staple of Mom's Depression/WWII era childhood, as she told me that it was the first dinner that her mother taught her to prepare.
Basically opening cans and frying the codfish cakes.
https://newengland.com/today/food/new-england-made/bm-brown-bread-in-a-can/

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at November 17, 2019 04:29 PM (xnmPy)

71 Bayonne doesn't stink anymore ?


At what? Do they have a football team?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

On the Rachel Carson Thread you mentioned how they cleaned up N.J.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:30 PM (arJlL)

72 Ambassador Spatchcock was the life of the party at the State Department. The man was just full of surprises!

Posted by: Masha Potatovich at November 17, 2019 04:30 PM (EgshT)

73 The joint pictured above is not a porchetta.

It is a human limb, specifically the lower leg, removed below the knee and roasted. The foot has been removed and simmered for jus.

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 04:30 PM (XzT/D)

74 My son, the scotch connoisseur, brought over a bottle of Screwball Peanut Butter Whiskey.

Damn it was delicious. I rarely like whiskey or scotch. I know you purists are going "Ewww", but it really was great.

Posted by: cfo mom at November 17, 2019 04:31 PM (RfzVr)

75 Re: canned bread. We used to take this on long boy scout hiking or canoeing trips (think 10 days to 2 weeks) where regular bread would either rot or get crushed in your food rucksack. It was terribly dry and crumbly, so we improvised and used it for French Toast. Powdered eggs, powdered milk and water for the batter. No syrup, so we used canned butter and sprinkled cinnamon sugar or canned fruit on top. IIRC, it still sucked, but was a better use of the horrid powdered eggs.

Posted by: TN Deplorable at November 17, 2019 04:31 PM (mgeBd)

76 I miss those roasted in the ground whole pigs from the PI. Those things were the bomb.


Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 04:26 PM (JUOKG)

In the Knoxville area there is a Filipino business that does that for catering. Look around. But if its done by Americans it seems like they always cook it too fast, so that its black on the outside and pink on the inside.

Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:32 PM (0ldxZ)

77 On the ride home, are you gonna stick your head out the window the WHOLE way ?
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:24 PM (arJlL)
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If I'm still alive by then. He cranked it up to 88 Russ morning.

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 04:33 PM (gVXDT)

78 If you put peanut butter in whiskey, then... I just don't know what to say. Buy a Reese's or something.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 04:33 PM (PxaPg)

79 Hey everybody.

I had a pretty good dinner yesterday... pasta with Bertolli's Rustic Cut spicy marinara sauce, also topped with cocktail shrimp and plenty of shake-on Italian cheese. Wish I had taken a pic. One of the best meals I've been able to make for myself for a while.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 04:34 PM (L2ZTs)

80 Love stuffed cabbage as a winter dish. I alternate making it Italian style and as my ex-husband's Rumanian relatives taught me (sarmale). Their recipe of sarmale included cabbage leaves stuffed with ground beef, rice, paprika and onions and then layered with sauerkraut and ham hocks cooked in a giant covered pot on the stove. I never liked sauerkraut until I had it this way.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at November 17, 2019 04:34 PM (S+f+m)

81 Curious george ette... polish or hungarian or czech?

Im curious too.

Posted by: LoneRanger at November 17, 2019 04:36 PM (C+gy5)

82 In the Knoxville area there is a Filipino business that does that for catering. Look around. But if its done by Americans it seems like they always cook it too fast, so that its black on the outside and pink on the inside.
Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:32 PM (0ldxZ)

Happen to remember the name? That's my neck of the woods. We used to do a pig roast every year before I got too old and lazy.

Posted by: TN Deplorable at November 17, 2019 04:36 PM (mgeBd)

83 Just had a close one , was cutting up a jalapeno and incidentally rubbed my eye. Should keep rinsing it out more

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:36 PM (ZCEU2)

84 My husband and some friends did a slow-roasted whole pig a few years ago. It was delicious. They accompanied the meal with roasted oysters.

This will be the very first year I haven't roasted a turkey. Because I still have a lame paw, I've ordered a roasted turkey from my local Publix. I'll just have to reheat it on The Day. I'll also have smoked ham and will do all the sides and deserts.

I've scaled down the guests to just us, our son, and our two adopted foreign students. I feel bad for not inviting the elderly couple and some other friends we normally have, but I can only do what I can do.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:37 PM (ptqGC)

85 I love carrots but coming up with interesting recipes is a challenge.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:28 PM


You may want to reach out to BCochran.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 04:38 PM (DMUuz)

86 Costco's blended scotch isn't bad but the London Dry Gin is only good for Gin and Tonics.
Posted by: Mrs. Leggy

Oh, ALL RIGHT, I'll have a beer !

Hiya Mrs. Leggy !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:38 PM (arJlL)

87 You know what goes good with whisky? Spring water. And that's it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 04:38 PM (PxaPg)

88 New Thanksgiving Recipes ... Anyone not hosting but looking for an impressive (i.e., labor-intensive) side dish to contribute as a guest? Find and make "Rene's Cole Slaw" recipe online (be sure to also include "Paula Deen" as keywords). It includes dried cranberries and slivered almonds. Dressing can be made -- and everything else prepped the night before -- then toss it altogether on Turkey Day. This is my #1 requested side dish for chicken BBQs (goes great with any type of poultry).

Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 04:38 PM (q7uEm)

89 Bluebells recipe is basically a vodka cranberry from scratch with some interesting and very good twists to this refreshing summer drink - I like the addition of triple sec - which is really a thick orange liquor. That and the orange zest makes this a better drink than the standard vodka cranberry that traditionally had lime added as the citrus flavor - thanks Bluebell!

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 04:39 PM (32YRo)

90 I have the Food Network on in the background, and just heard Michelle Obama's name mentioned, for some reason.

Will we never be rid of these people?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:39 PM (ptqGC)

91 Jane, you need to take care of that foot. Don't feel bad at all. Hell, I think you're still doing too much.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:40 PM (dUJdY)

92 On the Rachel Carson Thread you mentioned how they cleaned up N.J.


The NJ Turnpike just the other side of Manhattan does not smell anymore, I remember it smelling.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 04:40 PM (gd9RK)

93 You may want to reach out to BCochran.

*snort. Poor BC. He will NEVER live that down.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:40 PM (dUJdY)

94 In the Knoxville area there is a Filipino business that does that for catering. Look around. But if its done by Americans it seems like they always cook it too fast, so that its black on the outside and pink on the inside.
Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:32 PM (0ldxZ)

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This is where my parents roll. Soon enough, me too.

We can entire pigs.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 04:41 PM (PxaPg)

95 Will we never be rid of these people?

Sadly no.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:41 PM (dUJdY)

96 On the ride home, are you gonna stick your head out the window the WHOLE way ?
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:24 PM (arJlL)
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If I'm still alive by then. He cranked it up to 88 Russ morning.
Posted by: bluebell

LOL !!

(I'm not laughing at you, I'm thinking of something else)

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:41 PM (arJlL)

97 I have a recipe for pecan liquor that I keep meaning to make.


And our lemons are nearly ripe. My husband makes wonderful lemoncello, and I'd love for him to make a batch (even though he can't drink it anymore). The Italian imported stuff is too sweet.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:41 PM (ptqGC)

98 What's your favorite T-day side dish that ISN'T stuffing, mashed potatoes or cranberry sauce?

And dayum...that pork is drool worthy!

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 04:42 PM (cF8AT)

99 The Russian Honey Cake is very similar to 7 Layer Dobos Torte. It looks delicious. I'll try to make but with crepes or pancakes.

Posted by: Oggi at November 17, 2019 04:42 PM (Bk5Q+)

100 Eat entire pigs, I mean. If you can name this business, they'll have new customers. Not for catering either. Just on the regular.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 04:42 PM (PxaPg)

101 A number of years ago I got in the habit of making guacamole as an appetizer for Thanksgiving.

I think I may get in the habit again. Besides, turkey goes great with avocado. Just ask Togo's. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 04:43 PM (L2ZTs)

102 Yud, I was gonna say, that must be a BIG can :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 04:43 PM (L2ZTs)

103 thanks Bluebell!

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 04:39 PM (32YRo)

What a kiss-up!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 04:43 PM (wYseH)

104 I can't be the only one who knows about the Russian layer cake from Life of Boris.

Or maybe I am...

Posted by: PabloD at November 17, 2019 04:43 PM (F1m5e)

105 I have a recipe for pecan liquor that I keep meanig to make.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Please proceed...I'm listening.

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 04:43 PM (32YRo)

106
Jane, you need to take care of that foot. Don't feel bad at all. Hell, I think you're still doing too much.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:40 PM (dUJdY)


The two "adopted" boys kept texting me, "Are you going to do Thanksgiving????" So I caved. Plus, I don't remember our ever going out for Thanksgiving.

I'll pace myself, and get the sides prepared a couple of days ahead of time. I've got the schedule memorized.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:44 PM (ptqGC)

107 Just had a close one , was cutting up a jalapeno and incidentally rubbed my eye. Should keep rinsing it out more

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:36 PM

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Hope you don't have to pee soon. Axe me how I know.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 04:44 PM (Dhht7)

108 What a kiss-up!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

That would hurt if it wasn't true...

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 04:44 PM (32YRo)

109 LOL off Mars sock

Posted by: vmom trapped in yarn at November 17, 2019 04:45 PM (G546f)

110 I have a recipe for pecan liquor that I keep meanig to make.

Posted by: Jane D'oh



Please proceed...I'm listening.

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 04:43 PM (32YRo)


I'll find it in my files by next Food Thread.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:46 PM (ptqGC)

111 Jane, that's a good idea. Just take it slow. We want you up and dancing like a fool at the MoMe next year!

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:46 PM (dUJdY)

112 I was thinking spicy beef on chow mein noodles today, but after checking supplies I found that I lacked beef and chow mein noodles (and possibly spicy) so I went with an experimental white trash chicken noodle soup in the instant pot instead.

Cut up rotisserie chicken bits, can of mixed vegetables, some bullion, salt and pepper, etc. Pressure cooked on "soup" for 30 minutes. Uncover and add a bag of egg noodles, fill up to top with broth, and press the saute button. Let it bubble until the noodles are tender, then eat.

Piece of cake and the kids loved it so I considered it a success.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 04:46 PM (0GvUH)

113
Jane, that's a good idea. Just take it slow. We want you up and dancing like a fool at the MoMe next year!

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:46 PM (dUJdY)


Lol.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:47 PM (ptqGC)

114 I don't even have a hurt foot and I am scaling TG down. I am ordering everything from a catering place in sizes for three people because that's all we'll have. and I do not feel like wrestling with a turkey and making lots of other stuff.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 04:47 PM (WI7YS)

115 Working on making another stromboli, wife is making a salmon steak which I wouldn't touch.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:47 PM (ZCEU2)

116 I'll find it in my files by next Food Thread.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

Great - this might be something I'd try for Christmas if its not too difficult - tired of making the same old Godiva Liquor and eggnog drink that everyone's had...

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 04:48 PM (32YRo)

117 wife is making a salmon steak which I wouldn't touch.

Is it alive ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:49 PM (arJlL)

118 This is my #1 requested side dish for chicken BBQs (goes great with any type of poultry).
Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 04:38 PM (q7uEm)

Just printed it...thanks!

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 04:49 PM (cF8AT)

119 I do not feel like wrestling with a turkey

Is it alive ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:49 PM (arJlL)

120 >>>[107] Just had a close one , was cutting up a jalapeno and incidentally rubbed my eye. Should keep rinsing it out more. Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 04:36 PM

Greetings, Skip ... Flushing with milk might neutralize the acid a little better than water. Just a suggestion.

Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 04:50 PM (q7uEm)

121 Happen to remember the name? That's my neck of the woods. We used to do a pig roast every year before I got too old and lazy.

Posted by: TN Deplorable at November 17, 2019 04:36 PM (mgeBd)
I asked her. It was a friend of hers from Johnson City that does it as a business. Around $350 for a whole pig.

Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:50 PM (0ldxZ)

122 I'd like to try the pecan, too.

I'm doing the moron hot buttered rum for our family this year.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 04:50 PM (0GvUH)

123 I grew up with zaatar used in recipes. My grandparents didn't carry much of their Lebanese heritage with them except for some recipes. Zaatar was most often used on a thick pita bread, held in place with a bit of olive oil while it baked. IIRC, it was called manoushi.

The bread was a snack by itself but was great for scooping up baba ganoush and hummus.

It should go great on spuds and meat. Actually, it would make an excellent spiced rice.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 04:51 PM (bmdz3)

124 I do not feel like wrestling with a turkey

It's more fun once you dress up in your WWF costume

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 04:51 PM (L2ZTs)

125 I don't even have a hurt foot and I am scaling TG
down. I am ordering everything from a catering place in sizes for
three people because that's all we'll have. and I do not feel like
wrestling with a turkey and making lots of other stuff.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 04:47 PM (WI7YS)


Good for you, Fen. I'm looking forward to just having to heat the turkey. Will buy gravy at Fresh Market. It's going to be what it's going to be.

I'm also changing from my grandmother's sweet potato casserole with sweet pecan streusel topping, to a sweet potato/russet scalloped potato one with gruyere cheese, so my husband can have a little.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:51 PM (ptqGC)

126 What's your favorite T-day side dish that ISN'T stuffing, mashed potatoes or cranberry sauce?
Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 04:42 PM (cF8AT)


One of my dad's Navy buddies and his wife invited me to their house for Thanksgiving one year when I was in Hawaii, and they had Okinawan sweet potato. I'd never had those before, and it remains the only time I've ever had sweet potatoes that I actually liked.

As for traditional Thanksgiving sides, mom does a crumbled cornbread wild rice that's really good.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 04:52 PM (t+qrx)

127
🎶 No no we don't die, yes we multiply
Anyone test will hear the fat lady sing
Act like you know, G go, I know what Bo don't know
Touch them up and go, uh-oh
Ch-ch-chang chang 🎶

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEJ2b6IaGWU

Just for some fun.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 04:53 PM (PxaPg)

128 This is a yummy salad and easy to make....well, after you de-leaf all the Brussels sprouts. Now before you pooh-pooh Brussel sprouts, stop...this salad is gone every time I make it.

Maple-Dijon Brussels Leaf Salad

https://tinyurl.com/yahtzvlt

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 04:53 PM (cF8AT)

129 >>>[118] Just printed it...thanks! Tami

You're welcome, Tami ... Recipe calls for honey mustard, but I just use regular yellow hot dog mustard and double up on the honey.

Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 04:54 PM (q7uEm)

130 Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:51 PM (ptqGC)

Are the foreign students ones you've had stay in the past or new ones for this year?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 04:55 PM (WI7YS)

131 Here's a homemade praline pecan liqueur recipe that sounds very similar to the one in my files:

https://tinyurl.com/tzxq6lz

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:55 PM (ptqGC)

132 Too late, Tami. When I read Brussel sprouts I pooh-poohed it.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 04:55 PM (Dhht7)

133 Weasel, or can make your own homemade pinto beans (refried beans). Simple and makes a lot. Freeze what you don't use right away. I always make a big pot and we have plenty left to make huevos rancheros, bean burritos etc.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:20 PM (dUJdY)
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I'll try that!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 04:56 PM (MVjcR)

134 Re: Knoxville

There's a tasty authentic Jamaican restaurant over on the Rock City side of town. Mama B's or something similar.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 04:57 PM (0GvUH)

135 Happen to remember the name? That's my neck of the woods. We used to do a pig roast every year before I got too old and lazy.



Posted by: TN Deplorable at November 17, 2019 04:36 PM (mgeBd)

I asked her. It was a friend of hers from Johnson City that does it as a business. Around $350 for a whole pig.


Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:50 PM (0ldxZ)
She said its not a "business" business, her friend just does it on a per request basis. Sorry.

Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:57 PM (0ldxZ)

136 Are the foreign students ones you've had stay in the past or new ones for this year?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 04:55 PM (WI7YS)


The Sri Lankan kid is one we sponsored five years ago. He's getting his masters at GA now. And the other kid is one from Zimbabwe.


A couple of years ago, we added a Spanish kid and two from Croatia. It was fun. When the turkey came out of the oven, there was a mad rush to the kitchen to get pics on their cellphones to send home to their families.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:58 PM (ptqGC)

137 132 Too late, Tami. When I read Brussel sprouts I pooh-poohed it.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 04:55 PM (Dhht7)

Premature pooh-poohing!

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 04:58 PM (cF8AT)

138 What's your favorite T-day side dish that ISN'T stuffing, mashed potatoes or cranberry sauce?

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North Alabama white sauce. Excellent on poultry.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 04:58 PM (0GvUH)

139 It's more fun once you dress up in your WWF costumePosted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 04:51 PM (L2ZTs)

What would I dress up as?-another turkey. I just lost my cell phone and the sound was turned off so turkey is not a bad name for me.

Actually, wrestling with a turkey was an expression from a dear Polish Jewish lady who came her in her 20's to escape the Nazis. She was still making TG dinner for us in her late 70's because her husband had died and she had no children. She was a rather small woman I thought the expression was such a colorful one, so I still use it

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 04:59 PM (WI7YS)

140 When I was in NM years ago my daughter could not believe we were gonna use canned refried beans. Of course she was married to that idiot at the time (full blooded Mexican), so she taught me how to make them. I haven't used canned since. Very easy to make.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 04:59 PM (dUJdY)

141
She said its not a "business" business, her friend just does it on a per request basis. Sorry.
Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:57 PM (0ldxZ)

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OK. It's an honest hustle. I'll find this chick eventually.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 04:59 PM (PxaPg)

142 I prefer canberries.

There. I said it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 05:00 PM (0GvUH)

143 North Alabama white sauce. Excellent on poultry.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 04:58 PM (0GvUH)

Recipe?

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:00 PM (cF8AT)

144 What's your favorite T-day side dish that ISN'T stuffing, mashed potatoes or cranberry sauce?

Probably the rudabega spinach casserole. Tastes wonderful but good Lord rudabega is very difficult to work with!

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:00 PM (dUJdY)

145 How to prepare and serve brussel sprouts:

- Fry them in oil and garlic

- Throw them away

- Order a pizza

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 05:00 PM (L2ZTs)

146 Tami, I tried a great recipe for Brussels sprouts I saw on Food Network's The Kitchen. You quarter the sprouts, and spread a thick layer of shredded Parm on a pre-heated iron skillet, add the sprouts in one layer, and roast until brown and crispy.

The sprouts come out of the skillet like a big Parm-crusted pancake. Delish.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:01 PM (ptqGC)

147 Skip that dutch baby looks great! I made mine this morning. I couldn't find mom's cast iron skillet so i made it in her larger-sized, heavy stainless steel one. It worked, but next time i will bring my cast iron from home. This one was browned, but not as crispy as i think it would've gotten in the cast iron.

I made a blueberry sauce to go over it. It was pretty good if i do say do myself.

Posted by: My life is insanity at November 17, 2019 05:01 PM (6NTwP)

148 After dropping around 15lbs in 2.5 weeks, wife has reversed the trend and put on 4 lbs in past 10 days.

I think it was the Stuffed Italian shells I made. She ate on that for 3 days. She's requesting it again for tonite. Adding pork sausage to it this time.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 05:01 PM (Dhht7)

149 Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 04:58 PM (ptqGC)

I think that's great! What fun for them. My friend is having her nephew come from CA. He is from France originally and he says there's nothing like a traditional American TG.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2019 05:02 PM (WI7YS)

150 Guess I won't be sharing my apple sauce recipe with you?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 04:10 PM (Dhht7)


Pfft, recipe.

Use windfall Gravensteins, core and cut out the gravel and bruising, and cook down. Run through a foley food mill.

By the way applesauce and ham is one of the most delightful things in the world.

As in, I wish I could hold more since it is so yummy.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 05:02 PM (1glZx)

151 baby carrots: steam on stove in a small pan, using orange juice as the liquid.

cook to taste, then drain most, but not all of the OJ.

add butter and honey (garlic too, if so inclined) and heat until everything is all mixed together and happy.

serve. (you can cut up regular carrots for this, but i'm lazy)

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 05:02 PM (NqeSm)

152 "and they had Okinawan sweet potato. I'd never had those before,"

Posted by: hogmartin

I've been to Okinawa many times and never had this vegetable - sounds very delicious.

By the way, the Okinawans are considered the "county or island cousins" to the Japanese - they are mostly farmers, fishermen, and live stock ranchers - and they are very much more earthy and friendly toward Americans in my experience there. The Japanese, especially those from the upper mainland ("Edonese") - are the elite and these poor Okinawans are the deplorables in a very American type analogy.

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 05:03 PM (32YRo)

153 104 I can't be the only one who knows about the Russian layer cake from Life of Boris.

Or maybe I am...
Posted by: PabloD at November 17, 2019 04:43 PM (F1m5e)
...........................................................................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrmhORG8cYc

Maybe we can get Natasha to show some leg on the next video.

Posted by: Lump at November 17, 2019 05:03 PM (p9n/K)

154 I had a Russian Honeycake once.

Then her "brother" Yuri showed up and wanted $14.00.

Bastid.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 05:03 PM (Z+IKu)

155 I've put on 15 @#%$* lbs. since breaking my ankle. I am SO anxious to be healed so I can meet up with the new trainer I was to meet with three days after I broke it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:03 PM (ptqGC)

156 When I was in NM years ago my daughter could not believe we were gonna use canned refried beans. Of course she was married to that idiot at the time

What happened to the idiot ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:03 PM (arJlL)

157 Hairyback, those honey cakes can be fatal

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 05:03 PM (L2ZTs)

158 That's great, olddog!

Posted by: My life is insanity at November 17, 2019 05:04 PM (6NTwP)

159 146 Tami, I tried a great recipe for Brussels sprouts I saw on Food Network's The Kitchen. You quarter the sprouts, and spread a thick layer of shredded Parm on a pre-heated iron skillet, add the sprouts in one layer, and roast until brown and crispy.

The sprouts come out of the skillet like a big Parm-crusted pancake. Delish.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:01 PM (ptqGC)

That sounds yummy. It's just sprouts and Parmesan cheese? That's it? You put any oil or butter in the pan?

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:05 PM (cF8AT)

160 128 This is a yummy salad and easy to make....well, after you de-leaf all the Brussels sprouts. Now before you pooh-pooh Brussel sprouts, stop...this salad is gone every time I make it.

Maple-Dijon Brussels Leaf Salad

https://tinyurl.com/yahtzvlt
Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 04:53 PM (cF8AT)

------------------------------------------------

This is whole leaf version of Cracker Barrel Brussels Sprout and Kale salad. My favorite. I made it for last year's Thanksgiving dinner at my daughter's house. Her parents-in-law loved it. I think I'll make it again this year.

Posted by: Oggi at November 17, 2019 05:05 PM (Bk5Q+)

161 The good news is, I ALWAYS lose about five lbs. at Thanksgiving. Like one of my girlfriends says, you get so darned tired of preparing everything, by the time everyone gathers at the table, you just pick at the food.

I always have plenty of takeout containers for people to take food home.

Now comes the challenge: Daring my husband to fill the garage frig with beer, when I need the space for the sides. Grrrrrr.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:06 PM (ptqGC)

162 North Alabama white sauce. Excellent on poultry.



Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 04:58 PM (0GvUH)



Recipe?

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:00 PM (cF8AT)

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mayonnaise*, cider vinegar and fine black pepper

*"the good stuff, not Miracle Whip .." from the lady running the BBQ place in Birmingham, where i first rant into it.

goes good on beef, etc, as well... add in horseradish if you want to take it to 11.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 05:07 PM (NqeSm)

163 That sounds yummy. It's just sprouts and Parmesan cheese? That's it? You put any oil or butter in the pan?

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:05 PM (cF8AT)


Lemme go look. I've got it on a cookbook stand in the kitchen.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:07 PM (ptqGC)

164 I'm smoking 2 racks of baby back ribs right now. Should be done in an hour.

Posted by: Muad'dib at November 17, 2019 05:07 PM (uDh3k)

165 North Alabama white sauce

Simple
https://tinyurl.com/ujtthm4

There's a more complicated one at Southern living if you search for the term in your favorite search engine. I sort of prefer the simple one, but it's such a staple in that part of the world that no one uses a recipe. It's like cooking rice. People just know what to do, and make modifications to their tastes.

Make it a day or two in advance because it gets better after sitting in the fridge.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 05:08 PM (0GvUH)

166 olddog that's so great to hear!!!

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:08 PM (dUJdY)

167 Skip that dutch baby looks great! I made mine this morning. I couldn't find mom's cast iron skillet so i made it in her larger-sized, heavy stainless steel one. It worked, but next time i will bring my cast iron from home. This one was browned, but not as crispy as i think it would've gotten in the cast iron.

I made a blueberry sauce to go over it. It was pretty good if i do say do myself.
Posted by: My life is insanity

Hiya MLii !

I love blueberries on anything.

Well, mebbe not a pizza.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:08 PM (arJlL)

168 I made chicken tortilla soup today. Friends were coming over, but one has a bad cold, so we cancelled. I feel guilty that I was a little relieved. Just too tired today.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:08 PM (TdMsT)

169 What happened to the idiot ?

She finally divorced his worthless ass.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:08 PM (dUJdY)

170 mayonnaise*, cider vinegar and fine black pepper

*"the good stuff, not Miracle Whip .." from the lady running the BBQ place in Birmingham, where i first rant into it.

goes good on beef, etc, as well... add in horseradish if you want to take it to 11.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 05:07 PM (NqeSm)

I might make some of that and just have it at the table. I'd probably add the horseradish. Thanks!

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:09 PM (cF8AT)

171 New dish for Thanksgiving? Mrs TP has demanded it for years so, This year, cranberry sauce pushed out of the can so it retains it's lovely cylindrical shape on the serving plate.

It's no good unless it keeps the exact can shape - including the tin can ridges on it or so I have been told. No homemade cranberry sauce this year. Alas.

*soto voce* My wife is a saint but can't cook worth a tinker's damn. Her mother couldn't either judging from her 'recipes' handed to me. Step one - open can of Campbell's soup, next. . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 05:09 PM (Y4EXg)

172 I asked her. It was a friend of hers from Johnson City that does it as a business. Around $350 for a whole pig.
Posted by: Countrydoc at November 17, 2019 04:50 PM (0ldxZ)

That's not a bad price. The last one I did, the cleaned and dressed pig cost about $200. $60 to rent the spit / grill. $80 for the charcoal. That doesn't count what I spent on stuffing and Cornish game hens (we put them inside with the stuffing and cut up apples). I also paid a butcher to come and carve it, since my carving skills are less than zero, especially after drinking beer from 7 AM till 4 or 5 PM when it was ready.

Posted by: TN Deplorable at November 17, 2019 05:09 PM (mgeBd)

173 I've been to Okinawa many times and never had this vegetable - sounds very delicious.
Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 05:03 PM (32YRo)


I don't know if it's really native to Okinawa, or just called that, but it's a purple sweet potato and it's pretty righteous.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:10 PM (t+qrx)

174 Ladyl.. I know that feeling believe me! I've been talked into something and then I'm like.. eh.. wish I hadn't done that. Then they cancel and I'm doing the Snoopy dance.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:10 PM (dUJdY)

175 if you can get it, i strongly recommend Atomic brand horseradish...

it will set you free!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 05:10 PM (NqeSm)

176 What happened to the idiot ?

She finally divorced his worthless ass.
Posted by: Jewells45

I love Happy Endings !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:11 PM (arJlL)

177 Sur la Table has partnered with Hennessy for a complimentary (yes, free!) masterclass for food and cocktail pairing. Mr. WDS and I signed up for last Tuesday night. 18 other people signed up as well. Unbelievably we were the only ones that showed. While we loved our private class, it was absolutely maddening!

We had.......

French 75 (lemon juice, simple syrup, Hennessy and champagne) paired with truffle risotto arancini

Sazerac (absinthe, bitters, simple syrup and Hennessy) paired with butternut squash pancetta sage gnocchi

Hennessy XO paired with salted caramel creme brulee

So if you have a Sur la Table nearby.......surlatable.com/hennessy

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 17, 2019 05:11 PM (/UQ/R)

178 Make it a day or two in advance because it gets better after sitting in the fridge.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 05:08 PM (0GvUH)

Printed that. Thanks!

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:11 PM (cF8AT)

179 Last week I did a beef tongue in the slow cooker. Yesterday I heated the last bit in the smoker. The resulting sandwich was wonderful. Really.
Yesterday I smoked a couple of slices of pork belly. Today I will reheat it in the smoker, which amounts to double smoking I guess.
I may go for a sandwich again unless I care enough to do something more interesting.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 17, 2019 05:12 PM (VOnVL)

180 I've been talked into something and then I'm like.. eh.. wish I hadn't done that.
Posted by: Jewells45

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Who among us hasn't had that happen to us? Normally strong drink is involved but still. . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 05:12 PM (Y4EXg)

181 >>I love blueberries on anything.

Well, mebbe not a pizza.
Posted by: JT

They work on fruit pizza!



Posted by: My life is insanity at November 17, 2019 05:12 PM (6NTwP)

182 Tami, here it is:

Parmesan Brussels Sprouts

Makes 4 servings
12 ou. Brussels sprouts, halved or quartered depending on size
2 T. olive oil
Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper
1 cup shredded Parmesan

Nonstick cooking spray for the skillet

Put a 10" cast iron skillet in the oven and preheat the oven to 425 degrees F.

Toss the Brussels sprouts with the olive oil in a medium bowl. Season lightly with the salt and pepper. Add the Parm and toss together.


Carefully remove the hot skillet from the oven and spray with the cooking spray. Add the sprouts in an even layer. Bake until the sprouts are tender and browned, about 20-25 minutes.

*I had it in my head the sprouts went on top of the Parm, for some reason. Anyhow, it comes out like a big ol' sprout pancake. Remove it as soon as possible to a cutting board and slice it like pizza.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:13 PM (ptqGC)

183
174 Ladyl.. I know that feeling believe me! I've been talked into something and then I'm like.. eh.. wish I hadn't done that. Then they cancel and I'm doing the Snoopy dance.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:10 PM (dUJdY)


It was a relief. I love having friends over, but I just wasn't feeling it. One of them is still coming over about 7:00, but it will be much more relaxed.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:14 PM (TdMsT)

184 I love blueberries on anything.

Well, mebbe not a pizza.
Posted by: JT

They work on fruit pizza!



Posted by: My life is insanity

?

I never heard of a fruit pizza !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:15 PM (arJlL)

185
She finally divorced his worthless ass.

Posted by: Jewells45


Gave her the tingles at first, then she learned the harsh reality?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:15 PM (7rVsF)

186 I don't know if it's really native to Okinawa, or just called that, but it's a purple sweet potato and it's pretty righteous.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:10 PM (t+qrx)

Searched for info on these because they sound interesting. Found this:


Sweet potatoes that have brown, red-orange, or white skin with orange or white flesh are native to Colombia and southern Central America. After Columbus' discoveries, they were brought to Asia, and varieties with white skin and speckled pale purple flesh were developed on the Japanese island of Okinawa. Today, they are widely grown in Hawaii and exported to the United States mainland where they are popular with Asian and Latino communities.

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:15 PM (cF8AT)

187 Ladyl, how did dinner with the lib neighbor go last night?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:15 PM (ptqGC)

188 JT.. the worthless piece of shit didn't work for 11 years of their marriage. She did it all. Supported the family, went to school to move up the ladder at her work, raised 3 kids, at one point driving them into ABQ from Los Lunas. Look it up. That's a long ass drive. She's sacrificed so much. I'm very damn proud of her. Just wish she had never married that asshole. But oh well. water.. bridge etc....

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:16 PM (dUJdY)

189 181 >>I love blueberries on anything.

Well, mebbe not a pizza.
Posted by: JT

They work on fruit pizza!



Posted by: My life is insanity at November 17, 2019 05:12 PM (6NTwP)

----------------------------

I know all those words, but that sentence makes no sense...

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 17, 2019 05:16 PM (CAJOC)

190 Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:13 PM (ptqGC)

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what a horrible waste of perfectly good Paramecium cheese.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 05:16 PM (NqeSm)

191
I love blueberries on anything.

Use an equal amount in each.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:16 PM (7rVsF)

192 Gave her the tingles at first, then she learned the harsh reality?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:15 PM (7rVsF)


lol.. something like that.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:16 PM (dUJdY)

193 Sorry to interrupt dinner,
legalinsurrection.com/kellyanne conways nevertrump husband retweets clear photoshop of elise stefanik

The fat fk says he wants her to quit the White House cult
https://tinyurl.com/ubb5qt6

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 05:17 PM (ZCEU2)

194 very simple greenbean dish.....pinch off stems and and bad parts then blanch/boil about 4/5 minutes.
Cool
Then toast a handful or more almond slices in some olive oil. Some shallot not much and a nice amount of mince garlic to make fragrant. Add green beans on a mid hi heat for couple minutes and of course salt and pepper and maybe lemon juice if you wish...many variations possible with this

Greenbean Almadine

Posted by: LoneRanger at November 17, 2019 05:18 PM (C+gy5)

195 We had.......



French 75 (lemon juice, simple syrup, Hennessy and champagne) paired with truffle risotto arancini


Huh, I've never heard of a French 75 made with cognac. How was it? I usually use gin, champagne (really prosecco), lemon juice and lemon peel, and simple syrup. It's delicious and refreshing, but really easy to get hammered on.

Posted by: pep at November 17, 2019 05:18 PM (T6t7i)

196 187 Ladyl, how did dinner with the lib neighbor go last night?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:15 PM (ptqGC)


Oh , it was fine, Jane D'Oh. He's my neighbor and we go out to dinner a couple of times a week.

He's a psychologist, and is actually really funny, unless he gets in leftist mode.

How are you, dahlin? Got the Christmas shopping underway?

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:18 PM (TdMsT)

197 *I had it in my head the sprouts went on top of the Parm, for some reason. Anyhow, it comes out like a big ol' sprout pancake. Remove it as soon as possible to a cutting board and slice it like pizza.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:13 PM (ptqGC)

Printed that too. Don't know if I'll do it for T-day but it sounds good!

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:19 PM (cF8AT)

198
lol.. something like that.
Posted by: Jewells45


*sniffs superciliously*

Men, of course, never make mistakes like falling for some big-breasted bimbo, then finding out she's a psycho bitch.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:19 PM (7rVsF)

199 Thanksgiving this year is going to be
Filet and lobster
wilted spinach with basil, shredded parmesan and porcini mushrooms
Gruyere stuffed potato round and sourdough bread.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:19 PM (Sf7dd)

200 >>I never heard of a fruit pizza !
Posted by: JT

Used to make it for a snack for the kids.

Sugar cookie dough spread thin on a cookie sheet and baked. When cooled, spread with softened cream cheese (or whipped cream) top with fruit, like strawberries, blueberries, sliced bananas. If you like coconut you can sprinkle that on top, too.

Posted by: My life is insanity at November 17, 2019 05:20 PM (6NTwP)

201 I never heard of a fruit pizza !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:15 PM (arJlL)

It's usually a dessert 'pizza'. Dough is like cookie dough with different fruits on top.

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:21 PM (cF8AT)

202 What a kiss-up!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 04:43 PM (wYseH)
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Hey. Bugger off. I have a friend here.

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 05:21 PM (gVXDT)

203 Men, of course, never make mistakes like falling for some big-breasted bimbo, then finding out she's a psycho bitch.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

----

I didn't see the word "ginger" in there but it's understood, right?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 05:21 PM (Y4EXg)

204 Men, of course, never make mistakes like falling for some big-breasted bimbo, then finding out she's a psycho bitch.

Oh of course not

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:21 PM (dUJdY)

205 199 Thanksgiving this year is going to be
Filet and lobster
wilted spinach with basil, shredded parmesan and porcini mushrooms
Gruyere stuffed potato round and sourdough bread.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:19 PM (Sf7dd)


That's it. I'm cancelling my plans and I'm coming to your place. I'll bring 10 lbs of butter and dessert. What kind of whiskey do you want?

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:22 PM (TdMsT)

206 Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:19 PM (Sf7dd)

Screw my family, I'm coming to your place!!

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:22 PM (dUJdY)

207 pep........they were delicious and I'm not normally a cognac person. They said it could be done with prosecco, which I prefer to champagne. However, we used brut and it added a nice dryness

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 17, 2019 05:22 PM (/UQ/R)

208 I don't want to know fruit piz,piz,...... pizza

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 05:23 PM (ZCEU2)

209 Filet and lobster

Posted by: Ben Had



What is lobster in TX? Is it the things with claws flown in from Maine or Canada or is there a Gulf critter with no claws that you get locally?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 05:23 PM (gd9RK)

210 November TX MoMe!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:23 PM (MVjcR)

211 Ladyl, ten pounds of butter IS dessert!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 05:24 PM (Y4EXg)

212 210 November TX MoMe!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:23 PM (MVjcR)


Please. Oh please.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:24 PM (TdMsT)

213 Sorry to interrupt dinner,
legalinsurrection.com/kellyanne conways nevertrump husband retweets clear photoshop of elise stefanik

The fat fk says he wants her to quit the White House cult
https://tinyurl.com/ubb5qt6
Posted by: Skip

That's okay, we're just talking about food, not eating.

Ya don't think we talk with our mouths full, do ya ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:24 PM (arJlL)

214 211 Ladyl, ten pounds of butter IS dessert!
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 05:24 PM (Y4EXg)


No. It's. Not.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:24 PM (TdMsT)

215 Oh, and speaking of food, my tractor wouldn't start today. Guess I need to call the man.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:25 PM (MVjcR)

216 Favorite Thanksgiving dish besides Turkey, dressing or dessert?

My Mammaw's scalloped potatoes.

Also her fried sweet corn.

Also her green beans with onion, bacon and other stuff.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 05:25 PM (ycWCI)

217 I have never understood why Honey Cake is so popular in Russia. It was everywhere but I often found it dry and lacking much flavor and not terribly sweet. Generally, I find Russian cakes dry and not at all sweet. It's a lot of effort for a cake I wouldn't eat if it was the only dessert available.

I'm not sure Russians normally use whipped cream between the layers. It never tasted like whipped cream to me.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 17, 2019 05:26 PM (+Kpte)

218 Men, of course, never make mistakes like falling for some big-breasted bimbo, then finding out she's a psycho bitch.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


Noooooooooooooooooooooo !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:26 PM (arJlL)

219 Ladyl, let me know what time to pick you up.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:26 PM (Sf7dd)

220
Oh, and speaking of food, my tractor wouldn't start today.

Well, just hook up the oxen to the plow.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:27 PM (7rVsF)

221 219 Ladyl, let me know what time to pick you up.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:26 PM (Sf7dd)
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I'll give her a lift from the airport.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:27 PM (MVjcR)

222 Thanksgiving this year is going to be
Filet and lobster
wilted spinach with basil, shredded parmesan and porcini mushrooms
Gruyere stuffed potato round and sourdough bread.
Posted by: Ben Had

Whoa !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:28 PM (arJlL)

223 How are you, dahlin? Got the Christmas shopping underway?

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:18 PM (TdMsT)


I've bought one (1) gift. I'm still waiting for wish lists from everyone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:28 PM (ptqGC)

224 219 Ladyl, let me know what time to pick you up.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:26 PM (Sf7d


You don't need to do a thing! I'll fly down and rent a car. We'll have my brother in Maine ship down lobster from Young's Lobster Pound!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:28 PM (TdMsT)

225 215
Oh, and speaking of food, my tractor wouldn't start today. Guess I need to call the man.


Euphemism? If so, TMI, man.

Posted by: pep at November 17, 2019 05:28 PM (T6t7i)

226 Chef Anne Burrell has a pretty decent recipe for Brussels sprouts using pancetta and walnuts...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 17, 2019 05:29 PM (7s3Gx)

227 Hiya, JT!
This thread is making me hungry! I got in the habit of making meatloaf along with the turkey a number of years ago because my son didn't like turkey. I wonder if you could stuff a turkey with a meatloaf?

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at November 17, 2019 05:29 PM (Vf4Y7)

228 Thanks, YD, for the Ini Kamoze. Love that song, especially as a workout listen. Makes me feel dancy on this my 31st wedding anniversary! (Husband only dances after an unhealthy amount of tequila, so I guess it will have to be a solo.)

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at November 17, 2019 05:29 PM (S+f+m)

229
Oh, and speaking of food, my tractor wouldn't start today. Guess I need to call the man.

Euphemism? If so, TMI, man.
Posted by: pep at November 17, 2019 05:28 PM (T6t7i)
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I wish! Actually, no I don't. But I'd planned to do some clearing next week.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:29 PM (MVjcR)

230 I've bought one (1) gift. I'm still waiting for wish lists from everyone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:28 PM (ptqGC)

I'm almost done. If my damn nephew would tell me what his kids want, I would be done. It's like a state secret or something.

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (cF8AT)

231 223 How are you, dahlin? Got the Christmas shopping underway?

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:18 PM (TdMsT)

I've bought one (1) gift. I'm still waiting for wish lists from everyone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:28 PM (ptqGC)

I'm waiting for mine, as well. Used to be I could order all my oldest granddaughter's gifts from Justice. I think she's outgrown that store now.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (TdMsT)

232 My favorite Christmas before Mother died, was the Christmas night I threw newspapers on the breakfast room table, and dumped a mass of snow crab claws on it.


We drank champagne and ate crab till we were all stuffed. And I stayed in my jammies all day.

I would rather open a vein than go to ATL to the in-law disfunction every year.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (ptqGC)

233 I never heard of a fruit pizza !
Posted by: JT

Used to make it for a snack for the kids.

Sugar cookie dough spread thin on a cookie sheet and baked. When cooled, spread with softened cream cheese (or whipped cream) top with fruit, like strawberries, blueberries, sliced bananas. If you like coconut you can sprinkle that on top, too.
Posted by: My life is insanity

Okay.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (arJlL)

234
Brussels sprouts

Please. This is the Food Thread.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (7rVsF)

235 Weasel, did you check the battery?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (Sf7dd)

236 Got another picture perfect stromboli

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 05:31 PM (ZCEU2)

237
I'm almost done. If my damn nephew would tell me what his kids want, I would be done. It's like a state secret or something.
Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (cF8AT)
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This is about the time of year I like to start alienating people to avoid gift giving.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:31 PM (MVjcR)

238 234
Brussels sprouts

Please. This is the Food Thread.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (7rVsF)


Brussels sprouts are one of those foods that must be prepared just so, or they are horrible! I like the sound of Jane D'Oh's recipe.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:31 PM (TdMsT)

239 I would rather open a vein than go to ATL to the in-law disfunction every year.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

I always said my ex-MIL will never die unless somebody throws a bucket of water on her.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:32 PM (arJlL)

240
235 Weasel, did you check the battery?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (Sf7dd)
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Yep. It's cranking, just not starting. I drained a little fuel from the fuel filter and it looked fine.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:32 PM (MVjcR)

241 Guess I need to call the man.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:25 PM (MVjcR)


Welp, now there's nothing for me to do but put on American IV. It's inevitable.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:33 PM (t+qrx)

242 "Buffet" or "booffet?"

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 17, 2019 05:33 PM (m3RIE)

243 I'm almost done. If my damn nephew would tell me what his kids want, I would be done. It's like a state secret or something.
Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:30 PM (cF8AT)


I'm getting a panic attack because you're done and I have started yet.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:33 PM (TdMsT)

244 Does the cranberry cocktail have a name?

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 17, 2019 05:33 PM (ne+zP)

245 This is about the time of year I like to start alienating people to avoid gift giving.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:31 PM (MVjcR)

I try that all year long...they just keep coming 'round.

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:34 PM (cF8AT)

246 Hiya, JT!
This thread is making me hungry! I got in the habit of making meatloaf along with the turkey a number of years ago because my son didn't like turkey. I wonder if you could stuff a turkey with a meatloaf?
Posted by: Mrs. Leggy

I dunno, but I love meatloaf !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:34 PM (arJlL)

247 Nice dutch baby. Is aw a recipe for porchetta on cooks country about a month ago, and have been dying to try it ever since. I may just make a trip to a butcher soon.

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at November 17, 2019 05:34 PM (Fxgkp)

248 My husband's family does a name draw each year on Thanksgiving, and we are all sent our name draws by the oldest niece, She Who Must Be Obeyed.


I just know I'll get the Life Coach this year.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:34 PM (ptqGC)

249 I always said my ex-MIL will never die unless somebody throws a bucket of water on her.
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:32 PM (arJlL)


Aww.. that's a shame. Today would have been my MIL's 89th birthday. Miss her every damn day. She was a hoot. If you've ever seen Maxine, the Hallmark character? That's her.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:34 PM (dUJdY)

250
221 219 Ladyl, let me know what time to pick you up.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:26 PM (Sf7dd)
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I'll give her a lift from the airport.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:27 PM (MVjcR)


{{{Weasel}}}

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:35 PM (TdMsT)

251 Ladyl.. I shopped like a fool this morning on Amazon. I'm almost done. Just a few more for the kiddos and hubby. My daughter in NM, the grandkids and great grandkids are easy. They just want money.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:36 PM (dUJdY)

252 245 This is about the time of year I like to start alienating people to avoid gift giving.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:31 PM (MVjcR)

I try that all year long...they just keep coming 'round.
Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:34 PM (cF8AT)
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Hmmm, that is a problem. You may need to up your game.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:37 PM (MVjcR)

253 This is about the time of year I like to start alienating people to avoid gift giving.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:31 PM (MVjcR)

I try that all year long...they just keep coming 'round.
Posted by: Tami

My landlord used to live next door, then he moved and rented the house out.

About a year later he asked me "How are the new neighbors?"

I said GREAT ! I don't even know who they are !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:37 PM (arJlL)

254 OMG!!!

That second paragraph of the post made me so hungry

Posted by: PMRich at November 17, 2019 05:37 PM (mrX66)

255 I always said my ex-MIL will never die unless somebody throws a bucket of water on her.
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:32 PM (arJlL)

-------------------------------

And ya didn't tag her in the ice bucket challenge?!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 17, 2019 05:37 PM (CAJOC)

256 Well, I'm off to stick a cauliflower crust pizza in the oven.


*pauses for effect*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (ptqGC)

257 Yep. It's cranking, just not starting. I drained a little fuel from the fuel filter and it looked fine.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:32 PM (MVjcR)


Just remember, an engine needs four things to operate: compression, fuel, the Niña, and, uh, something blue.

Did you try rolling your eyes and yelling "ARE YOU KIDDING ME, WITH THIS?" Couldn't hurt.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (t+qrx)

258 Weasel, cold weather drains a battery. Do you have a set of battery testers?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (Sf7dd)

259 I like Costco Scotch, but more as a substitute for Irish whiskey, seems to lack the "peatyness" of what I think of as real Scotch.

JustDave in GR

Posted by: JustDave in GR at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (KBiU/)

260 251 Ladyl.. I shopped like a fool this morning on Amazon. I'm almost done. Just a few more for the kiddos and hubby. My daughter in NM, the grandkids and great grandkids are easy. They just want money.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:36 PM (dUJdY)


Now I'm really having a panic attack. I'm going to re-send my plea for wish lists right now.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (TdMsT)

261 I don't know if it's really native to Okinawa, or just called that, but it's a purple sweet potato and it's pretty righteous.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:10 PM (t+qrx)


there is a Korean yam as well, which you can get at an H-Mart, and my GF adores.

apparently you make soju out of it too.

I dug potatoes yesterday, and made mashed potatoes as well.
The one secret is to use to water you boiled to potatoes in, and it needs to be hot, when you mix it in with the taters as you are mashing them.
I like lumpy potatotes, so I use a pastry cutter. It is pretty much the only use I get out of it too.

A really good recipe is to mash turnips and potatoes together, but you need to cook the turnips separate becasue they take longer to cook

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (1glZx)

262
Did you try rolling your eyes and yelling "ARE YOU KIDDING ME, WITH THIS?" Couldn't hurt.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (t+qrx)
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Yes. I even threatened it with getting tools out and working on it.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:39 PM (MVjcR)

263 Well, I'm off to stick a cauliflower crust pizza in the oven.


*pauses for effect*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (ptqGC)

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Costco carries cauliflower crust frozen pizzas. They're pretty good, though I wish I could get them with normal toppings.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 17, 2019 05:39 PM (CAJOC)

264
Now I'm really having a panic attack. I'm going to re-send my plea for wish lists right now.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (TdMsT)


*checks date*

What on earth are you talking about?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:39 PM (7rVsF)

265 I have had Costco scotch, and agree on the lack of peatmoss flavor.

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at November 17, 2019 05:40 PM (Fxgkp)

266 Bander, didn't mean to ignore you on the lobster question. Hell, they are probably steroidal shrimp down here but I'll take it.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:40 PM (Sf7dd)

267 258 Weasel, cold weather drains a battery. Do you have a set of battery testers?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (Sf7dd)
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Yes I do, but it was cranking just fine. I keep the battery on a trickle charger.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:40 PM (MVjcR)

268 Now I'm really having a panic attack. I'm going to re-send my plea for wish lists right now.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (TdMsT)

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My brother used to tell us that any nieces and nephews who didn't provide a list by a certain date were getting a sweatshirt of his choosing.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 17, 2019 05:40 PM (CAJOC)

269 Does the cranberry cocktail have a name?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 17, 2019 05:33 PM (ne+zP)
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It does. Cranberry Martinis. I gave CBD a link too; maybe he'll post it if he sees this. I'm away and praying from my phone. But if you Google cranberry Martinis Ina garten today show you should find a link with a video and everything.

It also has jalapeno margaritas.

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 05:40 PM (gVXDT)

270 Posting, not praying. I need a new phone and better eyes.

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 05:41 PM (gVXDT)

271 Weasel, one other thing a shot of quick start in the air intake will help also.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:41 PM (Sf7dd)

272 ( I think JT is secretly marred to Chelsea)

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 05:42 PM (ZCEU2)

273 Weasel, cold weather drains a battery. Do you have a set of battery testers?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:38 PM (Sf7dd)
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Yes I do, but it was cranking just fine. I keep the battery on a trickle charger.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:40 PM (MVjcR)


Carbureted or fuel-injected?

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:42 PM (t+qrx)

274 I bought kid books for the grandkids this year. Especially the littlest ones.

Ferdinand the Bull
Harold and the Purple Crayon
Mike Mulligan and His Steam Shovel

that sort of thing. My kids are getting all the stuff they left at home when they moved out. I'm not hauling all their crap to the new Casa de TP.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 05:42 PM (Y4EXg)

275
271 Weasel, one other thing a shot of quick start in the air intake will help also.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:41 PM (Sf7dd)
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I should have tried that. It was fine Friday, and today, bupkis.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:42 PM (MVjcR)

276 I'm getting a panic attack because you're done and I have started yet.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:33 PM (TdMsT)

I buy for 8 little ones ranging from 16 yo to 1 year olds and they all get multiple gifts. My son, DIL, daughter, MIL, 3 sets of niece and nephew couples (1 gift each), 1 single nephew. One niece has a yours/mine family of 8 kids...they just get an amazon gift card cuz, no, just no.

I don't have anything for my husband yet.

Oh and son and DIL are expecting so...ya know.

We find out the sex this week so I can stop buying gender neutral stuff!

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:43 PM (cF8AT)

277
Yes I do, but it was cranking just fine. I keep the battery on a trickle charger.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:40 PM (MVjcR)


Try inverse phasing.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:43 PM (7rVsF)

278 Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:42 PM (t+qrx)
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Having just answered BH, on second thought, I think it's fuel injected.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:44 PM (MVjcR)

279 ( I think JT is secretly marred to Chelsea)

Nope, not married.

Why, do I sound miserable ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:44 PM (arJlL)

280 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:43 PM (7rVsF)
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I kicked the tire pretty good. Didn't help.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:45 PM (MVjcR)

281 Yes I do, but it was cranking just fine. I keep the battery on a trickle charger.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:40 PM (MVjcR)

Try inverse phasing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:43 PM (7rVsF)

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Are your dilithium crystals out of alignment?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 17, 2019 05:45 PM (CAJOC)

282 I buy for 8 little ones ranging from 16 yo to 1 year
olds and they all get multiple gifts. My son, DIL, daughter, MIL, 3
sets of niece and nephew couples (1 gift each), 1 single nephew. One
niece has a yours/mine family of 8 kids...they just get an amazon gift
card cuz, no, just no.



I don't have anything for my husband yet.



Oh and son and DIL are expecting so...ya know.



We find out the sex this week so I can stop buying gender neutral stuff!


Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:43 PM


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I just send everyone home made beef jerky. Takes about a week to make it all in the smoker.


The wife and I don't do presents.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (JUOKG)

283
Oh and son and DIL are expecting so...ya know.

We find out the sex this week so I can stop buying gender neutral stuff!
Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:43 PM (cF8AT)


I just sent out my second request for gift ideas. I told them if I didn't get a reply very soon, they would receive gifts OF MY OWN CHOOSING.

That oughta motivate them.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (TdMsT)

284 Hadrian, if Ladyl is anything like me she wants this shit done and over with. My goal is always to have everything bought by Dec 1. Holidays are stressful enough. And did I mention I hate wrapping?? With a passion.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (dUJdY)

285 Man, I was all excited to get spun up on how a float charger is different from a trickle charger and you should be using that instead because an actual trickle charger will damage it, but if the battery was bad, it wouldn't turn over. So it's not the battery.

Rant delayed is rant denied.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (t+qrx)

286 Posting, not praying. I need a new phone and better eyes.
Posted by: bluebell

The heat is affecting your phone.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (arJlL)

287 We sometimes have cornbread instead of rolls with our Thanksgiving dinner. And, if we do, my family insists that there be Honey Butter. Nothing fancy -- no seasonings -- just honey whipped into softened butter.

Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 05:47 PM (q7uEm)

288 I agree, JustDave. It lacks the peat of Dewars, which isn't that much more expensive. But on the rocks with a lemon zest it's not bad.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at November 17, 2019 05:47 PM (Vf4Y7)

289 284 Hadrian, if Ladyl is anything like me she wants this shit done and over with. My goal is always to have everything bought by Dec 1. Holidays are stressful enough. And did I mention I hate wrapping?? With a passion.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (dUJdY)


It's like putting a darned wedding every year. Yeesh.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:47 PM (TdMsT)

290 Weasel, have you checked the spark plug?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 05:47 PM (DMUuz)

291 Love stuffed cabbage as a winter dish. I alternate making it Italian style and as my ex-husband's Rumanian relatives taught me (sarmale). Their recipe of sarmale included cabbage leaves stuffed with ground beef, rice, paprika and onions and then layered with sauerkraut and ham hocks cooked in a giant covered pot on the stove. I never liked sauerkraut until I had it this way.
Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at November 17, 2019 04:34 PM (S+f+m)


We love them too. They can be a lot of work, but worth it. I try to make a lot so it lasts since you have to put so much time and effort up front.

I have never heard of the sauerkraut and ham hocks version, but the rest is very similar to what I make.

meat, egg, onions, Hungarian sweet paprika, salt, pepper, cooked rice, egg... stuffed into individual cabbage packets.

I usually make a sauce for the base of the dish, and always layer some of the extra odd sized or torn leaves as a bed at the bottom of the casserole dish. Today I cheated because I'm not feeling perfect and just mixed a bunch of stuff in the casserole without making a sauce on another burner. Some sauce, white vinegar, basil, salt/pepper, garlic powder (because I was too lazy to mince garlic), I use both beef and chicken broth to cover the rolls at least halfway up the sides. And I sprinkled a bit of hot pepper flakes before laying the rolls in. For some sweetness, I squirt a bit of ketchup on each roll. Then I baste throughout. Almost 3 hours of baking at a low temp.

Almost done. Smells nice.

Posted by: Curious Georg 'ette at November 17, 2019 05:48 PM (vEIlU)

292 Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (t+qrx)
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I use a small solar panel with all the electronic innards built in. It's worked really well so far.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:49 PM (MVjcR)

293 The wife and I don't do presents.

I wish we didn't but Mr. Jewells insists. It's almost all gift cards and money on his end. lmao.. last year he asked me what I wanted from Victoria's Secret. I said I always love lotion. He bought me like 6 different BODY SPRAYS! Dude.. did ya not hear me?? So this year I showed him the drawer full of body sprays and said babe.. please.. no more. Lotion dear. Lotion.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:49 PM (dUJdY)

294 Sorry - way OT - but I just got back.


I see a lot of people were talking about Midway and the IJN, so here is, via tinyurl, the US translation of the Japanese after-action report on Midway. This was only seen by the highest levels in teh navy and the Imperial household.


https://tinyurl.com/y8xfw27j

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 05:49 PM (g1Aa8)

295
I'd like to have a bargain: don't get me anything. There's nothing I need.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 05:49 PM (7rVsF)

296 JT - Miss read, use to
Weasel my friend has a very old tractor and does the spray in the air cleaner

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 05:50 PM (ZCEU2)

297 Tater Tot Casserole FTW!

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 17, 2019 05:50 PM (0eE0g)

298 Having just answered BH, on second thought, I think it's fuel injected.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:44 PM


Pedal's to the floor hear the dual quads drink
And now the 413's lead is startin to shrink
He's hot with ram induction but it's understood
I got a fuel injected engine sittin' under my hood

Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down
Shut it off, shut it off buddy now I shut you down

Posted by: Brian Wilson at November 17, 2019 05:50 PM (DMUuz)

299 290 Weasel, have you checked the spark plug?
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 05:47 PM (DMUuz)
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It's diesel, but no, I didn't get that far. I emailed my pal down there at the John Deere dealership and asked him to send a guy over with tools.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:51 PM (MVjcR)

300 293 The wife and I don't do presents.

I wish we didn't but Mr. Jewells insists. It's almost all gift cards and money on his end. lmao.. last year he asked me what I wanted from Victoria's Secret. I said I always love lotion. He bought me like 6 different BODY SPRAYS! Dude.. did ya not hear me?? So this year I showed him the drawer full of body sprays and said babe.. please.. no more. Lotion dear. Lotion.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:49 PM (dUJdY)



But that's so sweet!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:52 PM (TdMsT)

301 He bought me like 6 different BODY SPRAYS! Dude.. did ya not hear me?? So this year I showed him the drawer full of body sprays and said babe.. please.. no more. Lotion dear. Lotion.
Posted by: Jewells45

Ok, repeat after me.....

" I'm gonna sit right down and make believe that this is lotion......"

Doobie doo wah

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:52 PM (arJlL)

302 Weasel, have you checked the spark plug?

Does it have one those kill switches on it that you connect to you life jacket like on jet ski? If yes, was it attached?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 05:52 PM (Dhht7)

303 A Christmas gift idea thread would be fun. I sort of remember ace having one last year but it was a last minute thing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 05:52 PM (0GvUH)

304 I had a Schlotzky's sammich for supper. Instead of a lousy 3 inch slice of that pork loin, which is what I really deserved. Now I think I'll have a drink and wait for TWD.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 05:53 PM (UUkQp)

305 302 Weasel, have you checked the spark plug?

Does it have one those kill switches on it that you connect to you life jacket like on jet ski? If yes, was it attached?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 05:52 PM (Dhht7)
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Nope. Nothing like that.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:53 PM (MVjcR)

306
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 05:53 PM (KCxzN)

307 Funny you should post about Chef John, CBD. I found him recently while looking for a recipe for fondant potatoes. I've been looking at his stuff and sharing it with friends. Yeah...his verbal tics are odd, but the man knows what he's doing. Good resource.

Posted by: A seal at November 17, 2019 05:53 PM (rBtIz)

308 A Christmas gift idea thread would be fun. I sort of remember ace having one last year but it was a last minute thing.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 05:52 PM (0GvUH)


Horde Secret Santa would be epic.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:53 PM (t+qrx)

309 Just finished stuffing the shells. Dang that took longer than expected. Think I'm a beer behind.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 05:54 PM (Dhht7)

310 I emailed my pal down there at the John Deere dealership and asked him to send a guy over with tools.


You need a Ukranian hacker. When John Deere's don't work it's a software problem and they want you to use their software engineers but you should rent a Ukranian hacker just to defy The Man.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 05:54 PM (gd9RK)

311 Horde Secret Santa would be epic.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:53 PM (t+qrx)


OMG. Yes.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:54 PM (TdMsT)

312 I emailed my pal down there at the John Deere dealership and asked him to send a guy over with tools.
Posted by: Weasel

On a Sunday ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:54 PM (arJlL)

313 By the way, CBD, can you cook 6 or 8 of those at the next TxMoMe/

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 05:55 PM (UUkQp)

314 Good evening, Alton Jackson!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:55 PM (TdMsT)

315
hey ladyl

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 05:55 PM (KCxzN)

316 AltonJackson, big hug for you.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 05:55 PM (Sf7dd)

317 Off, shark snack sock!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2019 05:55 PM (rBtIz)

318 I emailed my pal down there at the John Deere dealership and asked him to send a guy over with tools.


You need a Ukranian hacker. When John Deere's don't work it's a software problem and they want you to use their software engineers but you should rent a Ukranian hacker just to defy The Man.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 05:54 PM (gd9RK)
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Looks like I'll be supporting Big Tractor!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:55 PM (MVjcR)

319 Speaking of solar panels... I drove by one of the urban campsites that we have here in Austin, usually set up under a big overpass, and I kid you not, someone had 2 big solar panels set up outside of their tent. I did a double take on that one.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 17, 2019 05:55 PM (UUBmN)

320 But that's so sweet!

He's the sweetest man on earth, truly. He lives to make me happy. But bless his heart, since his stroke his memory is so bad. He wrote it down this year. If I get 6 more body sprays I can open my own shop.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:55 PM (dUJdY)

321 Good evening, Alton Jackson!
Posted by: Ladyl

(sniffs armpits.....)

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:56 PM (arJlL)

322 Hello Alton!

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:56 PM (dUJdY)

323 He bought me like 6 different BODY SPRAYS! Dude.. did ya not hear me??
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:49 PM


One can never have too many, provided, of course, they're the right one.

Posted by: Axe Body Wash at November 17, 2019 05:56 PM (DMUuz)

324 320 But that's so sweet!

He's the sweetest man on earth, truly. He lives to make me happy. But bless his heart, since his stroke his memory is so bad. He wrote it down this year. If I get 6 more body sprays I can open my own shop.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:55 PM (dUJdY)


But still...sweet.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:56 PM (TdMsT)

325 Does it have one those kill switches on it that you connect to you life jacket like on jet ski? If yes, was it attached?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 05:52 PM (Dhht7)
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Nope. Nothing like that.

Posted by: Weasel

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Please tell me you know I was joking. I have one of those damn switches on my pontoon. Missed half a day on the lake until I figured it out.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 05:57 PM (Dhht7)

326 (sniffs armpits.....)
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:56 PM (arJlL)


{{{JT}}}

Darlin!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:57 PM (TdMsT)

327 glow plugs, but yeah, you should try a shot of quick start first.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 05:57 PM (NqeSm)

328
Please tell me you know I was joking. I have one of those damn switches on my pontoon. Missed half a day on the lake until I figured it out.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 05:57 PM (Dhht7)
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Sure. I won't tell you the last time I thought it was broken I was trying to start it while it was in gear.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:58 PM (MVjcR)

329 Hey, AltonJackson.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:58 PM (t+qrx)

330
hey Ben Had, Jewells

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 05:59 PM (KCxzN)

331 I know Ladyl.. I give him grief but he's my heart. He truly is. I wish so much he would come to Texas with me next year. You all would love him and he would love the political discussions.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:59 PM (dUJdY)

332 (sniffs armpits.....)
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:56 PM (arJlL)


{{{JT}}}

Darlin!!!
Posted by: Ladyl

LOL !!!

Good evening, Ladyl !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:59 PM (arJlL)

333 no one to buy presents for at our house, except maybe each other, and that died out about 10 years ago, along with everything else.

just another day of the year here.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 06:00 PM (NqeSm)

334
Good evening, Ladyl !
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:59 PM (arJlL)


Good evening, JT!

Alton Jackson just ignored me!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:00 PM (TdMsT)

335 Posted by: Ladyl

(sniffs armpits.....)
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 05:56 PM


Whoa!

Ummm, given this is the Food Thread, the third most gentlemanly Thread on the HQ, presumably you received her permission?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 06:00 PM (DMUuz)

336 331 I know Ladyl.. I give him grief but he's my heart. He truly is. I wish so much he would come to Texas with me next year. You all would love him and he would love the political discussions.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 05:59 PM (dUJdY)


I would love to meet him.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:01 PM (TdMsT)

337 Duncanthrax, hugs for you and Ace!

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:01 PM (Sf7dd)

338 Oh sorry, Alton Jackson. My bad...

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:02 PM (TdMsT)

339 There is a Russian bakery that sells stuff out of Gateway Produce. They sell that honey cake. It's really good. It's not overly sweet or rich.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 17, 2019 06:02 PM (Lqy/e)

340 Funny you should post about Chef John, CBD. Good resource.
Posted by: A seal at November 17, 2019 05:53 PM (rBtIz)


I swear by his Shepard's Pie!

Posted by: Adriane the Delicate Stomach Critic ... at November 17, 2019 06:03 PM (LPnfS)

341 Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:01 PM (TdMsT)

I know two guys that would be glad to drive all three of you from DAL to the MoMee

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH at November 17, 2019 06:03 PM (BiNEL)

342 Duncanthrax, would you use the same spices in an almond butter, as you did with the pecans?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:03 PM (Sf7dd)

343 Wait, how are there 8 more witnesses?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 17, 2019 06:03 PM (m3RIE)

344
just another day of the year here.
Posted by: redc1c4


One year we had to try to work out with our vet when he could come out and do exams and shots on the dogs. The only day available was Christmas. Didn't bother us, it's another day. Didn't bother our vet, he's an Orthodox Jew.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 06:04 PM (7rVsF)

345 >>Funny you should post about Chef John, CBD. Good resource.
Posted by: A seal at November 17, 2019 05:53 PM (rBtIz)

I swear by his Shepard's Pie!
Posted by: Adriane the Delicate Stomach Critic ... at November 17, 2019 06:03 PM (LPnfS)

I've followed a bunch of his recipes. All turned out great. He has some good ideas.

Posted by: My life is insanity at November 17, 2019 06:04 PM (6NTwP)

346 We find out the sex this week so I can stop buying gender neutral stuff!
Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 05:43 PM (cF8AT)

How many kilotons will they use for the gender reveal?

Posted by: Downcast at November 17, 2019 06:04 PM (HTAGb)

347 Hey, Jewells my wife was wanting to drop you a note. What's the best way she can contact you? Snail mail preferred, but email can work.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 06:04 PM (Dhht7)

348 Wait. So a Dutch Baby is a pineapple upside-down came made with apples?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 17, 2019 06:05 PM (naEeR)

349 Ladyl.. would love for you to come down here to MO for a visit. He would get the biggest kick out of it. He's asked me so many times about everyone but he remembers briefly talking to you when I was down there. I had him on the phone and he asked where you were and I said right here! I handed the phone to you and he said something, you said something.. lol.. I don't even remember what was said but he remembers you.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:05 PM (dUJdY)

350 My kids are getting all the stuff they left at home when they moved out. I'm not hauling all their crap to the new Casa de TP.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 05:42 PM (Y4EXg)


Check for vintage Superman comics !!!!

Posted by: Adriane the Delicate Stomach Critic ... at November 17, 2019 06:05 PM (LPnfS)

351 238 234 Brussels sprouts are one of those foods that must be prepared just so, or they are horrible! I like the sound of Jane D'Oh's recipe.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 05:31 PM (TdMsT)


Yup. Undercook them and they are unchewable and unappealing. Overcook them, and they are nasty bitter soggy cabbages. Get it just right, and they are kind of sweet.

I steam mine to just-tender, then stir fry with country ham, black sesame seeds, sichuan pepper-salt (sichuan peppercorns toasted in a pan then ground with salt), with a splash of rice wine at the end, and sesame oil folded in after the heat is off.

Posted by: Splunge at November 17, 2019 06:06 PM (dOV9E)

352 Sure. I won't tell you the last time I thought it was broken I was trying to start it while it was in gear.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 05:58 PM (MVjcR)

Good, so I won't tell you about my experience with new zero turn where I called the dealer because it wouldn't start!

He was gracious enough not to laugh!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH at November 17, 2019 06:06 PM (BiNEL)

353 olddog.. you can email me. Just my nic at yahoo. I can give you my snail mail addy that way if that's what she prefers.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:06 PM (dUJdY)

354 Speaking of Costco, our local Costco carries a three pack of full sized Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban, Lasanta, and the regular 10 year old scotch for $99. A very good deal. They seem to have it every Christmas season.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at November 17, 2019 06:06 PM (Vf4Y7)

355
hey, hogmartin

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 06:07 PM (KCxzN)

356
Holy smokes, Hong Kong looks like a war zone. Protesters are using bows and arrows and catapults.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 06:07 PM (7rVsF)

357 I just send everyone home made beef jerky. Takes about a week to make it all in the smoker.

The wife and I don't do presents.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (JUOKG)

Lucky you but some of the wee ones I buy for don't have all their teeth yet.

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 06:07 PM (cF8AT)

358 I need to send some goodies out to friends this week. I'm still recovering from surgery so I was thinking of sending fairytale brownies. Has anyone ever tried them?

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at November 17, 2019 06:08 PM (Fxgkp)

359 Thanks Jewells. Will do.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 06:09 PM (Dhht7)

360 I made Tuscan chicken and potatoes for dinner tonight. I went ahead and made double so I would have something for tomorrow. I don't think I will have time to cook. I am about to make oatmeal butterscotch cookies and lemon cheesecake cookies. I was going to make gingerbread, but I've never made it before and am running out of day. I also want to make lemon ricotta cake sometime soon. I've never had it before, but it looks delicious.

Posted by: no good deed at November 17, 2019 06:09 PM (MmFTx)

361 "I wish we didn't but Mr. Jewells insists."


This is all me...my husband buys for one person.

When the nieces/nephews thank him for their gifts he's like..."Oh you're welcome...what'd I get you?"

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 06:09 PM (cF8AT)

362
Good, so I won't tell you about my experience with new zero turn where I called the dealer because it wouldn't start!

He was gracious enough not to laugh!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH


I have a Z355E and it was a trial learning the starting sequence. ICBMs are easier to get going.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 06:10 PM (7rVsF)

363 Holy smokes, Hong Kong looks like a war zone. Protesters are using bows and arrows and catapults.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 06:07 PM (7rVsF)

I have to ask, longbows or crossbows?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH at November 17, 2019 06:10 PM (BiNEL)

364 Finding out the sex of a baby is old school, now you wait until the child can talk and tell you.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 06:10 PM (ZCEU2)

365
I have to ask, longbows or crossbows?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH


Longbows

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 06:11 PM (7rVsF)

366 349 Ladyl.. would love for you to come down here to MO for a visit. He would get the biggest kick out of it. He's asked me so many times about everyone but he remembers briefly talking to you when I was down there. I had him on the phone and he asked where you were and I said right here! I handed the phone to you and he said something, you said something.. lol.. I don't even remember what was said but he remembers you.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:05 PM (dUJdY)


I would love that, Jewells!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:11 PM (TdMsT)

367 saf, out of bounds, MotherFucker.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:12 PM (Sf7dd)

368 Jewells, email sent.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 06:13 PM (Dhht7)

369 I have a Z355E and it was a trial learning the starting sequence. ICBMs are easier to get going.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 06:10 PM (7rVsF)

There are some non-intuitive features on mine, glad I am not alone. I'm hoping that the learning experience is brief!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH at November 17, 2019 06:13 PM (BiNEL)

370 How many kilotons will they use for the gender reveal?

Posted by: Downcast at November 17, 2019 06:04 PM (HTAGb)

She's not one of those. I'll probably just get a text message.

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 06:13 PM (cF8AT)

371 CBD, trash pick up at 363. Dump this asshole.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:14 PM (Sf7dd)

372 Duncanthrax, would you use the same spices in an almond butter, as you did with the pecans?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:03 PM


Hello Ben! Ace sends a rub from her head and cheek, and a mess of purrs.

Short answer, yes. I might nor might not add the cinnamon, depending on how much you like its flavor addition. You can use 3 or so pitted dates for sweetener, or palm date sugar, or agave, or ... whatever you like.

Since almonds in the U.S. are required to be 'pasteurized', try to use organic almonds, due to the way they're processed.

Almond butter takes more food processing time.

The Pioneer Woman makes a case for pre-soaking nuts before roasting/processing. Not sure I'd do that for pecans, but it sounds interesting enough with almonds that I think I'll try it.

Here's the recipe from The Pioneer Woman that goes into good detail about the whole process from nuts to butter:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/v4omf9d

I haven't sent your package yet, BTW. 8(

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 06:14 PM (DMUuz)

373 {{{ dear Hrothgar!}}}

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:14 PM (TdMsT)

374 When the nieces/nephews thank him for their gifts he's like..."Oh you're welcome...what'd I get you?"

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 06:09 PM

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Heh, that is so me.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 06:15 PM (Dhht7)

375 I took a long uber ride from the airport to home. The guy was playing Christmas music for an hour. I thought about being a manic but instead put my earbuds in.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 17, 2019 06:15 PM (gaO+R)

376 Longbows
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 06:11 PM (7rVsF)

The old ways are best!

Thought I read that a few of the free range "tenants" in California have met Mr Arrow as well!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH at November 17, 2019 06:16 PM (BiNEL)

377 Ladyl.. let's plan something for Spring!

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:16 PM (dUJdY)

378 "I won't tell you the last time I thought it was broken I was trying to start it while it was in gear. "

I fixed that on my tractor. And a few other things.

Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 06:16 PM (Tnijr)

379 @363 Fuck you.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 06:16 PM (Dhht7)

380 Hi foodies.

Had dinner and a movie at Mom's. Lamb burgers, mashed sweet potatoes (hint of butter and cream cheese), and broccoli. The film was "The Grapes of Wrath" (or as Mommy calls it, "The Drapes of Roth" after Allan Sherman). It's pinko propaganda but still great.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:17 PM (Dc2NZ)

381 I just send everyone home made beef jerky. Takes about a week to make it all in the smoker.



The wife and I don't do presents.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (JUOKG)



Lucky you but some of the wee ones I buy for don't have all their teeth yet.


Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 06:07 PM

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My beef jerky is great for teething infants! Keeps them chewing.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 06:17 PM (JUOKG)

382 CBD, trash pick up at 363. Dump this asshole.

Jesus H. For real. That's.. I don't even have words.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:17 PM (dUJdY)

383 Oops. In case 363 gets blown out it was commenter "saf".

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 06:17 PM (Dhht7)

384 366


I have to ask, longbows or crossbows?



Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH



Longbows



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 06:11 PM (7rVsF)


Trebuchets. We got one, metal-flake cobalt blue; spinner hubs on the winches; flame markings on the heaving beam; named Ewok Fury. We used it to throw Buzzion's corpse into Canada from Detroit. He ended up skipping once into the side of an Algoma freighter.


That was disappointing, but after we fished Buzzion's remains out we flung him into the Windsor Casino parking lot. Eventually.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 06:18 PM (g1Aa8)

385 Duncanthrax, You do so much, I'll never be able to catch up.

I'm going to have to learn to scream Thank You in Welsh!

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:18 PM (Sf7dd)

386 {{{Ladyl}}}
Interesting, my spell check has learned your name!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH at November 17, 2019 06:18 PM (BiNEL)

387 CBD, trash pick up at 363. Dump this asshole.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:14 PM (Sf7dd)


saf's an odd duck, but harmless, as far as I can tell. It's like how some houses have a ghost that yells cryptic double-entendres at houseguests. Doesn't mean nothin'.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 06:18 PM (t+qrx)

388 I love Italian Porchetta but just cooking for two means we'd be eating it for a month. I found some good recipes online using pork tenderloin and wrapping the outside with bacon. This one is my favorite https://thebeachhousekitchen.com/2018/06/18/porchetta-pork-tenderloin/. I've even made it for company, and it always gets raves.

Posted by: Jix at November 17, 2019 06:18 PM (mYahd)

389 wait, what did I miss?

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 06:19 PM (t+qrx)

390 Email answered olddog.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:19 PM (dUJdY)

391 Horde Secret Santa would be epic.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 05:53 PM (t+qrx)
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95% of gifts would be ammo or pudding.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:19 PM (Dc2NZ)

392 PS-- Don't forget to make porchetta sandwiches with the leftovers. Yum!

Posted by: Jix at November 17, 2019 06:20 PM (mYahd)

393 CBD, trash pick up at 363. Dump this asshole.

Jesus H. For real. That's.. I don't even have words.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:17 PM (dUJdY)

IIRC, this is not the first time I've seen something like this from it.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH at November 17, 2019 06:21 PM (BiNEL)

394 95% of gifts would be ammo or pudding.

I'm okay with either.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:21 PM (dUJdY)

395 Some people are way too complicated to know.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 06:21 PM (g1Aa8)

396 hogmartin, Not this time. Fucker stepped way over a line.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:21 PM (Sf7dd)

397 Jewells: LOL.
Betcha smell great! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 06:22 PM (L2ZTs)

398 I have a family relic I've saved over the years for the new grandson (#1) arriving in December. I get to babysit him and his sister in Feb for a week so, back down to Plano then.

What is this 'wrapping' our lovely 'ettes have been mentioning?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:22 PM (Y4EXg)

399 I just bought Okinawan sweet potatoes at Fresh Thyme.

I made a phantasmagoric sweet potato casserole for Thanksgiving using these purple sweet potatoes and colored marshmallows. It was good!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:22 PM (Dc2NZ)

400 IIRC, this is not the first time I've seen something like this from it.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH at November 17, 2019 06:21 PM (BiNEL)


Then it needs to be banned. Totally unacceptable.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:22 PM (dUJdY)

401 I use rifle targets for wrapping paper!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 06:23 PM (MVjcR)

402 On the #363 thing - I was just scratching my head because non sequiter did not even begin to describe it.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 06:23 PM (g1Aa8)

403 95% of gifts would be ammo or pudding.


We would demand pudding pictures. Like election night.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 06:23 PM (gd9RK)

404 How about bullets made of pudding?

Also I still miss those pudding pops that Bill Cosby used to push on TV... ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 06:24 PM (L2ZTs)

405 Speaking of food.......I did a smoked chuck roast last week that was melt in your mouth delicious.


Let it rest for an hour at room temp after I put my rub on it and then 275 on the pellet smoker for two hours. Wrap it and let it go to 195 and rest for 15-20 minutes.


The best chuck roast I have ever done and all thanks to youtube.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 06:24 PM (JUOKG)

406 378 Ladyl.. let's plan something for Spring!
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:16 PM (dUJdY)


Yes! You could also come here!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:24 PM (TdMsT)

407 WTH? How is a stupid joke which is basically nothing more than a phrasing comment worthy of banning?

this is the hq ffs

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:24 PM (HALdu)

408 lol qdpsteve. I have ONE fragrance I wear so those poor bottles of spray just sit there. I did donate some to Hope House. I figured even battered women want something pretty and frivolous.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:24 PM (dUJdY)

409 In its original form, porchetta was a deboned pig rolled and stuffed with liver.. the whole pig!
But all the modern recipes I've seen are exactly as you describe it.. a butterflied pork loin stuffed with herbs and then rolled and wrapped in skin-on pork belly.
Looks delicious! I love pork!
When I was a kid, my grandfather - who was Croatian - would take us to a Croatian picnic every summer where they were spit roasting whole pigs.. yumm.. my love for pork started very young!
One dish my mother would make for Sunday dinner was stuffed breast of veal. I believe it was a tough, cheaper piece of meat, but hours of roasting in the oven made it simply scrumptious. One of these days I will have to go looking for that cut.. I have never seen one in a supermarket my entire adult life.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (438dO)

410 95% of gifts would be ammo or pudding.





We would demand pudding pictures. Like election night.



Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 06:23 PM

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Someone should hae done a file of those pics....they were epic!

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (JUOKG)

411 Jewells, good idea.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (L2ZTs)

412 this is the hq ffs
Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:24 PM (HALdu)


His wife has cancer you ignoramus.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (dUJdY)

413 Saf... take the night off.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (BVD7m)

414 On the #363 thing - I was just scratching my head because non sequiter did not even begin to describe it.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 06:23 PM (g1Aa




I am guessing it has something to do with 309. How it is worthy of anyone getting their knickers in a twist, here, is anyone's guess.

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (HALdu)

415 387 {{{Ladyl}}}
Interesting, my spell check has learned your name!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows EDKH at November 17, 2019 06:18 PM (BiNEL)


And mine, yours!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (TdMsT)

416 not so. Bullshit. That was way uncalled for. If you think it's OK well, so much for you too.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:26 PM (Sf7dd)

417 Considering the context, which may have been unknown to the commentor, the comment was out of line.

Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 06:27 PM (Tnijr)

418 Speaking of food.......I did a smoked chuck roast last week that was melt in your mouth delicious.


Let
it rest for an hour at room temp after I put my rub on it and then 275
on the pellet smoker for two hours. Wrap it and let it go to 195 and
rest for 15-20 minutes.


The best chuck roast I have ever done and all thanks to youtube.


Posted by: Mr. Scott
............
That's good to know.. thanks!
Brisket is still very intimidating to me, but for some reason I could easily get my head around smoking a chuck roast!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 17, 2019 06:27 PM (438dO)

419 Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (dUJdY)

Dial it back.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 06:27 PM (BVD7m)

420 CBD, Thank You.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:27 PM (Sf7dd)

421 Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (dUJdY)




So if someone does not know the ins and outs of everyone's personal life they are not allowed to comment?

Maybe you should have everyone not their difficulties in their signature.

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:28 PM (HALdu)

422 not so not so sharp I see

Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 06:28 PM (Tnijr)

423 That's good to know.. thanks!
Brisket is still very intimidating to me, but for some reason I could easily get my head around smoking a chuck roast!





Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 17, 2019 06:27 PM

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And it's way cheaper too.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 06:29 PM (JUOKG)

424 okie CBD. Taking a break.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 17, 2019 06:29 PM (dUJdY)

425 not so. Bullshit. That was way uncalled for. If you think it's OK well, so much for you too.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:26 PM (Sf7dd)



How would someone know? I have been her lots wold never have known there was an issue with either commentor.

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:29 PM (HALdu)

426 The best chuck roast I have ever done and all thanks to youtube.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 06:24 PM


If you can find a beef clod (that's its name, basically the equivalent of a pork shoulder), and do something similar, you'll enjoy it, as well.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 06:29 PM (DMUuz)

427 not so not so sharp I see
Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 06:28 PM (Tnijr)




So how do you expect everyone to know everyone's issues smart guy?

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:30 PM (HALdu)

428 None you 'rons gave me any help. So I winged it. Made the ricotta by bringing the temp up to 190 degrees, then adding 1/4 cup of half lemon juice and half vinegar. Off the heat. A little (very little) swirl to mix. Ten minutes later, strain, and I have 2 pounds of the best ricotta I have made to date..

Turned $1.69 of milk into $6 of delicious cheese.

Thank you CBD for posting the original recipe a couple years ago.

Posted by: cfo mom at November 17, 2019 06:30 PM (RfzVr)

429 Confusedus say smart guy know when to shut smart mouth.

Posted by: Confusedus at November 17, 2019 06:32 PM (Tnijr)

430 not so, the instant call for deleting that comment should have been an indicator.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:32 PM (Sf7dd)

431 Confusedus say smart guy know when to shut smart mouth.
Posted by: Confusedus at November 17, 2019 06:32 PM (Tnijr)




you should have started some time back.

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:32 PM (HALdu)

432 OMG. Jewells, the NICEST person on earth, has gone away.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:32 PM (TdMsT)

433 Having dinner over at Brennan's house tonight. AnGus Hall steaks, Rosen-Burgers and Angela Davis' Food-Cake. Do not adjust your earpiece.

Posted by: Charlie Charmarella, One-Man Electoral College at November 17, 2019 06:33 PM (Ndje9)

434 Wow, the food thread has become the blog fight at the Golden Corral.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 06:33 PM (g1Aa8)

435 None you 'rons gave me any help. So I winged it. Made the ricotta by bringing the temp up to 190 degrees, then adding 1/4 cup of half lemon juice and half vinegar. Off the heat. A little (very little) swirl to mix. Ten minutes later, strain, and I have 2 pounds of the best ricotta I have made to date..

Turned $1.69 of milk into $6 of delicious cheese.

Thank you CBD for posting the original recipe a couple years ago.
Posted by: cfo mom

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I didn't know until I was an adult that you could buy ricotta at the grocery. Everyone around me made it.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:33 PM (Y4EXg)

436 You can make cheese?

That seems like magic. Even when they showed Furio making mozzarella on the Sopranos he was just sticking his hands in a pail of milk, it wasn't really showing it.

You heat the milk? Add acid? That's really how ricotta is made?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 06:33 PM (gd9RK)

437 "Wow, the food thread has become the blog fight at the Golden Corral."

Who wants Popeye's?

Posted by: Confusedus at November 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Tnijr)

438 CBD, I apologize. I will step back also.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:34 PM (Sf7dd)

439 436 You can make cheese?

That seems like magic. Even when they showed Furio making mozzarella on the Sopranos he was just sticking his hands in a pail of milk, it wasn't really showing it.

You heat the milk? Add acid? That's really how ricotta is made?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 06:33 PM (gd9RK)
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That was my reaction! Of course, I did just invent pinto beans and rice, but making cheese is like a whole new level!

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 06:35 PM (MVjcR)

440 ot so, the instant call for deleting that comment should have been an indicator.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 06:32 PM (Sf7dd)



No.

How is that any different than the sjwing everyone here hate so much? I have been around here for some time and would not have known that there was an issue with the complaining commenter.

Even more, the "offending" comment would usually be considered something of a "phrasing" joke.

Do you see something personal in the comment that refers to the offended commenters issues?

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:35 PM (HALdu)

441 You heat the milk? Add acid? That's really how ricotta is made?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 06:33 PM (gd9RK)


Yesterday I discovered that if you heat the whey enough, it ends up as cheese caramel. This is a real thing that actually happens.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 06:36 PM (t+qrx)

442 Vermont Country Store still carries the B M Brown Bread in a can.

Posted by: Grannymimi at November 17, 2019 06:36 PM (u5LFV)

443 The making of cheese in the home, it is sorcery.


Wisconsin, . . and maybe Vermont, and, uh, Amish country in Ohio for Baby Swiss . . . is the only suitable place for such rituals.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at November 17, 2019 06:37 PM (8AONa)

444 Yesterday I discovered that if you heat the whey enough, it ends up as cheese caramel. This is a real thing that actually happens.
Posted by: hogmartin

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No whey!!

*Sorry, I had to hogmartin.*

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:37 PM (Y4EXg)

445 2009Refugee, I was just gonna say, making cheese just right seems to require a voodoo ritual.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 06:38 PM (L2ZTs)

446 I would think the issue on the table has been dealt with and doesn't need to be overlitigated.

Now let's get back to the magic of cheese making. Tonypete claims it's a commonplace, which means he's either a fabulist or connected.

How 'bout the mozz? How is that made?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 06:38 PM (gd9RK)

447 you heat the whey enough, it ends up as cheese caramel. This is a real thing that actually happens.
Posted by: hogmartin




Is that a good thing

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:38 PM (HALdu)

448 Lump at November 17, 2019 04:25 PM (p9n/K)


That can also be found at Vermont Country Store.

Posted by: Grannymimi at November 17, 2019 06:38 PM (u5LFV)

449 No whey!!

*Sorry, I had to hogmartin.*
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:37 PM (Y4EXg)


Whey!

https://tinyurl.com/vl79zp7

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 06:38 PM (t+qrx)

450 saf's joke?
shells....explode....bang...

Posted by: Paul Harvey at November 17, 2019 06:39 PM (vqIkG)

451 Now let's get back to the magic of cheese making. Tonypete claims it's a commonplace, which means he's either a fabulist or connected.

How 'bout the mozz? How is that made?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

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Bander - those positions are not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:39 PM (Y4EXg)

452 Brisket is still very intimidating to me, but for some reason I could easily get my head around smoking a chuck roast!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 17, 2019 06:27 PM


Don't be intimidated by a brisket (although they can be obstinate, and, very rarely, infuriating.

Trim it, leave about 1/4" of fat on the fat side. Coat with Worchester Sauce or CYM (Cheap Yellow Mustard) and your rub, which can be salt, pepper and granulated garlic up to whatever. (www.texasbbqrub.com has some good options)

Get your smoker going; aim for a temp of 225-250 degrees F. Put the brisket on for around an hour fat-side down. Turn. Monitor brisket temp until it gets past 160 F (this can take a while; 160 is when all the collagen is breaking down, and you never know how long an individual brisket is going to take to break through.)

At this point, double foil the brisket, with some apple cider in the foil, and return to the smoker. You can keep it at 225-250, or jack it to 350 with slightly less quality, but saving time, until the internal temp is 203 to 205. Take it off the smoker, and let it rest, wrapped in towels and placed in a styrofoam cooler for an hour or two.

Cut against the grain. Serve.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 06:39 PM (DMUuz)

453

Get back to Food.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 06:39 PM (/BcCO)

454 Mikey NTH @ 294- Japanese admiral seems to be engaged in a bit of retroactive CYA describing the lack of training for his force before the battle. There was no doubt however that he felt great pride in the brave performance of his men during the battle.

Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 06:39 PM (UUkQp)

455 Can't we all get along?

Posted by: zombie Rodney King at November 17, 2019 06:40 PM (DMUuz)

456 My husband gets all the thank-you's for Eagle Scout gifts (those spoiled kids whose parents have taught them what a "thank you" note is.

"Dear Mr. D'oh,

Thanks so much for the gift."

(My husband hasn't bought the gift and has no idea what it was. The idiot kids don't see my name on the card.)

My son had 175 people at his Eagle ceremony and reception, the most ever in our troop.

I made him keep a list of every gift received, and he had to write at least 10 thank-yous per day after he came home from school.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 06:41 PM (ptqGC)

457 IT'S NOT FUNNY BECAUSE . . . WHERE AM I . . . WHAT'S HAPPENING?!?

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBOOGERS at November 17, 2019 06:41 PM (H5knJ)

458 Wife use to make yogurt often, couldn't figure out why as you can just go buy it

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 06:41 PM (ZCEU2)

459 I got some brisket from Dickey's BBQ the other day.

It was very good.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 06:41 PM (Z+IKu)

460
Vermont Country Store still carries the B M Brown Bread in a can.


Posted by: Grannymimi at November 17, 2019 06:36 PM (u5LFV)


I love that catalog.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 06:42 PM (ptqGC)

461 The problem with brisket is it takes so damned long. I'll stick with pork butt.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 17, 2019 06:42 PM (7s3Gx)

462 (looks around nervously)

There's a $25 cheese making kit on Amazon I'm giving as gifts. Pretty neat looking and great reviews. Make cheese, use whey to continue making cheeses and breads.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 06:43 PM (0GvUH)

463 I made him keep a list of every gift received, and he had to write at least 10 thank-yous per day after he came home from school.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

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Good for you Jane! I did the same when late wife passed - if my boys got a condolence card from someone, they sent a thank you. There were a bunch. The kids will thank us some day.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:44 PM (Y4EXg)

464 Nephew is going to smoke a turkey and bring it here. I will make a regular roast turkey...I might do a ham too. Haven't decided on that yet.

Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 06:45 PM (cF8AT)

465 Confusedus say whey of dragon make kung fu cheese.

Posted by: Confusedus at November 17, 2019 06:45 PM (Tnijr)

466 A very long time ago I got saved from more food poisoning by getting a lot of cheese and milk from a Russian dairy factory.

The cheese was big dry curds and you put sugar on them and ate them. The milk was called Russian cream and had 8% fat content. You could watch it curdle the blood in your veins.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 06:45 PM (gd9RK)

467 Now let's get back to the magic of cheese making. Tonypete claims it's a commonplace, which means he's either a fabulist or connected.

How 'bout the mozz? How is that made?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 06:38 PM

Bander, next time you see Zod lurking about, grill him on cheese making. He seems to be seriously into it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2019 06:46 PM (rBtIz)

468 Nephew is going to smoke a turkey and bring it here. I will make a regular roast turkey...I might do a ham too. Haven't decided on that yet.
Posted by: Tami at November 17, 2019 06:45 PM (cF8AT)



Make sure he does not vape the turkey.

Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:47 PM (HALdu)

469 Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 06:39 PM (UUkQp)


There was that, but throughout the report, the Japanese really had no idea what they were facing - 2 to 4 fleet carriers, plus maybe 4 "special" (escort) carriers?. Nagumo's intelligence was so vague that his decisions, and his hetitations, actually make sense. He really did not know *anything* until his cruiser floatplanes radioed back.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 06:48 PM (g1Aa8)

470 Zod does not "make" cheese, he calls it into being from the Cheese Zone.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:48 PM (Dc2NZ)

471 Zod does not "make" cheese, he calls it into being from the Cheese Zone.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:48 PM (Dc2NZ)


I enjoyed the visit to the Cheese Zone!

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 06:49 PM (t+qrx)

472 Zod does not "make" cheese, he calls it into being from the Cheese Zone.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:48 PM

I stand most humbly corrected.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2019 06:49 PM (rBtIz)

473 Bander, I don't know if you were kidding or not, but oh yeah, get the milk to just below boiling, add the acid (lemon/vinegar) and you have ricotta.

Lots websites have instructions. All a bit different, but it has always turned out good for me. Tonight tho, I made the bestest!

Posted by: cfo mom at November 17, 2019 06:49 PM (RfzVr)

474 The thing about Midway is the Japs should have pushed ahead with their landing force regardless of their losses.

The USN had shot their load and the IJN could have taken Midway for the cost of their 4 carriers and cruisers.

History favors the bold.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 06:50 PM (Z+IKu)

475 Make sure he does not vape the turkey.
Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:47 PM (HALdu)
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Just cram loosies into the cavity.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:51 PM (Dc2NZ)

476 Huh, now I want to make the ricotta for the lemon ricotta cake I want to try. Y'all are killing me.

Posted by: no good deed at November 17, 2019 06:51 PM (MmFTx)

477 I enjoyed the visit to the Cheese Zone!
--

The bouncy castle was super awesome!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:51 PM (Dc2NZ)

478
saf's joke?
shells....explode....bang...
Posted by: Paul Harvey


https://youtu.be/x9dkgOZhKQk

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 06:51 PM (aKsyK)

479 Sort of on topic, enjoying a nice piece of blue cheese bu way of dessert. I love blue cheeses. Just thought I'd toss that out there for no reason.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2019 06:52 PM (rBtIz)

480 My Lebanese friend's version of zatar is herbed flatbread, she serves it with homemade yogurt. So good.

Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2019 06:52 PM (wy4/l)

481 Dromedary Date Nut Bread in a can used to be a thing.


Also available at the Vermont Country Store.

Posted by: Grannymimi at November 17, 2019 06:52 PM (u5LFV)

482 Huh, now I want to make the ricotta for the lemon ricotta cake I want to try. Y'all are killing me.
Posted by: no good deed

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Give it a try next time. You'll be pleased with the outcome!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:52 PM (Y4EXg)

483 Bander, I don't know if you were kidding or not, but oh yeah, get the milk to just below boiling, add the acid (lemon/vinegar) and you have ricotta.

I was not kidding in the slightest.

To be fair, I did used to put people off from asking about my lobster salad recipe by saying well first I make the mayonnaise.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 06:53 PM (gd9RK)

484 I don't normally like frozen fish, but the Trident product is good.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 06:53 PM (k3+G1)

485 Good for you Jane! I did the same when late wife
passed - if my boys got a condolence card from someone, they sent a
thank you. There were a bunch. The kids will thank us some day.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:44 PM (Y4EXg)


I did that same thing when both my parents died. Kept a list of all the food brought, and every card, flowers, etc. Sent notes to everyone.

I mentioned that at a committee meeting earlier this month at church, and my pastor (who spent a lot of time in NY, MI, and UT), thought I was weird.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 06:54 PM (ptqGC)

486 Get back on food: Easy Cheeseball from my mom.

One pack cream cheese

One pack blue cheese

Random cheese (shredded cheddar or whatever)

Two - three - four cloves of garlic (whatever you like)

2 - 3 tablespoons of Worcestershire Sauce (or as much as you like)

Mix altogether into a ball, set in the fridge to make sure all gels together, get butter knife, and crackers, and eat.


You can also roll the cheeseball in crushed nuts - walnuts, or pecans, or whatever - if you wish. It really is a free-form sort of snack.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 06:54 PM (g1Aa8)

487 Wait. So a Dutch Baby is a pineapple upside-down came made with apples?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 17, 2019 06:05 PM (naEeR)


All of the Dutch Baby recipes I have seen, which include both Chef John's and Alton Brown's, are more like a sweet version of a popover or Yorkshire pudding than any sort of cake. My wife's favorite topping is thin apple slices sauteed in butter, then mixed with raisins previously soaked in brandy and sugar. Some people just dust with powdered sugar, however.

Posted by: HTL at November 17, 2019 06:55 PM (rvJrw)

488 Welp, gonna go put the ankle up. I'm praying it heals really, really soon. Doc says it will be months because of ligament damage. Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 06:56 PM (ptqGC)

489 Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 06:54 PM (ptqGC)
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You're nice! WeaselWoman is a big thank you note sender, too.

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 06:56 PM (MVjcR)

490 You can also roll the cheeseball in crushed nuts - walnuts, or pecans, or whatever - if you wish. It really is a free-form sort of snack.
Posted by: Mikey NTH

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For any cheeseball, how long do you let it sit out before you serve it? Most of the sad examples I have seen have broken half crackers jutting out from the ball as it was hard as a rock when the guests tried to chisel off a hunk.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:56 PM (Y4EXg)

491 Duncanthrax, You do so much, I'll never be able to catch up.

I'm going to have to learn to scream Thank You in Welsh!
Posted by: Ben Had

Okay.....repeat after me.......

THANK YOU IN WELSH !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 06:57 PM (arJlL)

492 I mentioned that at a committee meeting earlier this month at church, and my pastor (who spent a lot of time in NY, MI, and UT), thought I was weird.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 06:54 PM (ptqGC)
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How are thank you notes not still a thing? My mom even managed to get us savages to write TY's.

I will note that even nice well-bred adults don't always acknowledge gifts these days. Did you like it? Did you even receive it? I'll get a text a month later.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:58 PM (Dc2NZ)

493 My Lebanese friend's version of zatar is herbed flatbread, she serves it with homemade yogurt. So good.
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2019 06:52 PM

I put that stuff on everything. Stopped by my local Lebanese market after church this morning and picked up some of their za'atar pita chips. Currently nomming with cheese.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2019 06:58 PM (rBtIz)

494 >>Some people just dust with powdered sugar, however.
Posted by: HTL at November 17, 2019 06:55 PM (rvJrw)

The recipe i followed had no sugar in it, but was dusted with powdered sugar. It was supposed to have lemon juice drizzled on, but instead I made the blueberry sauce, i added a bit of lemon juice to that.

It wasn't super sweet, which was nice, and it had a softer custard like middle.

Posted by: My life is insanity at November 17, 2019 06:59 PM (yolcu)

495 You can also roll the cheeseball in crushed nuts - walnuts, or pecans,
or whatever - if you wish. It really is a free-form sort of snack.

Posted by: Mikey NTH



Or paprika, for a little kick.

Posted by: NC Ref at November 17, 2019 06:59 PM (Dxxm/)

496 The problem with brisket is it takes so damned long. I'll stick with pork butt.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 17, 2019 06:42 PM


I've been experimenting with jacking the temp up to 350 or so after foiling. It takes several hours off. Still a most-of-the-day cook, but ... brisket.

If I could only smoke one animal for the rest of my time, it would be the pig; but if I could only do one cut, t'would be brisket.

Posted by: zombie Rodney King at November 17, 2019 06:59 PM (DMUuz)

497 Just cram loosies into the cavity.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 06:51 PM (Dc2NZ)




Posted by: not so at November 17, 2019 06:59 PM (HALdu)

498 Huh. You know, a condolences food thread would be interesting. We cook and carry for people who lost someone, but I always keep a spare tin of coffee to carry, too, since they're generally having visitors and keeping the coffee maker going.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 07:00 PM (0GvUH)

499 Wow, the food thread has become the blog fight at the Golden Corral.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes?

I missed it !

I stepped out to YouTube and got mesmerized by old Elvis and Dean Martin.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 07:01 PM (arJlL)

500 Mark (Anvil) from C&Rsenal takes a Dardick apart and tries to make ammo for it:

https://tinyurl.com/y7fenkpj

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 07:01 PM (ycWCI)

501 Most of the sad examples I have seen have broken
half crackers jutting out from the ball as it was hard as a rock when
the guests tried to chisel off a hunk.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 06:56 PM (Y4EXg)


That's why I say put it into the fridge to gel together. It will stay cool, but with the cream cheese as a base it will be easy to spread right away.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 07:02 PM (g1Aa8)

502 Moron Robbie - great idea. I never thought of that item to take.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:02 PM (Y4EXg)

503 THANK YOU IN WELSH !
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 06:57 PM


DIOLCH YN GYMRAEG!

Posted by: Moronau Cymru at November 17, 2019 07:02 PM (DMUuz)

504 And mine, yours!
Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 06:25 PM (TdMsT)


I don't think willow's autocucumber ever figured mine out!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 07:02 PM (BiNEL)

505 The thing about Midway is the Japs should have pushed ahead with their landing force regardless of their losses.



The USN had shot their load and the IJN could have taken Midway for the cost of their 4 carriers and cruisers.



History favors the bold.


Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 06:50 PM

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It would not have changed a thing. The Japanese would have to have abandoned Midway in less than six months if they had taken it. their supply chain was way too long to hold it against the ever increasing might of the US Navy.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 07:02 PM (JUOKG)

506 Weasel, my mother would come down from Heaven and whup me for not sending thank-yous.

I taught our boy from an early age to write them, even if it was just a scrawl and a cute picture.


When Mother died, I found every little note he ever sent her in her things.


When Daddy died (24 years ago), D'oh Boy drew a picture of an airplane and a heart and the word "Papa." He dug a little hole in front of Daddy's headstone and planted it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 17, 2019 07:03 PM (ptqGC)

507 DIOLCH YN GYMRAEG!
Posted by: Moronau Cymru at November 17, 2019 07:02 PM (DMUuz)

Welsh: the Native tongue of Cthulhu.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 07:03 PM (ycWCI)

508 Nood. Gun Thread is up.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 07:03 PM (DMUuz)

509 Zod does not "make" cheese, he calls it into being from the Cheese Zone.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

As long as he doesn't cut it !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 07:04 PM (arJlL)

510 498 Moron Robbie

Condolence food: https://youtu.be/-YFRUSTiFUs

Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:04 PM (EHVbt)

511 Or paprika, for a little kick.


Posted by: NC Ref at November 17, 2019 06:59 PM (Dxxm/)


Sure, whatever you want. I just gave my mom's recipe, but like all recipes it is open for modification. All I know is that her cheeseball has never gone wrong or been rejected.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 07:05 PM (g1Aa8)

512 Welsh: the Native tongue of Cthulhu.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 07:03 PM (ycWCI)


I thought it was Basque?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 07:06 PM (BiNEL)

513 Since we're combining WWII and food, I'll drop this classic again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4kYKe37aWI

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (Dc2NZ)

514 Condolence food: https://youtu.be/-YFRUSTiFUs

Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:04 PM

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Ha. That's worth a watch, everyone.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (0GvUH)

515 Weasel, your tractor probably has a solenoid to shut off the diesel when you turn off the key. I suspect it is not working.

Posted by: Ronster at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (s+LWh)

516 Thanks everyone for the recipes! These do look delicious, yes even the brussel sprout one..... lol

Posted by: MarcusZ1967 at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (rGlv6)

517 Weasel, check all the lever settings. My Kubota has so many darned interlocks that not starting immediately is no longer a surprise. I spent 6 hours once chasing circuits before discovering that the pto lever was not all the way in "off"

Posted by: WingNut at November 17, 2019 07:54 PM (syT9t)

518 Costco Kirkland malbec

Posted by: S.Lynn at November 17, 2019 08:21 PM (Y0Ei6)

519 Carrot recipe: slice in rounds, boil in water with TBL sugar for 20 minutes til a dente. Drain. Return to pan, add pat of butter and some maple syrup (even sugar-free syrup). Cook about 5 minutes then serve with a pinch of salt.

Posted by: S.Lynn at November 17, 2019 08:34 PM (Y0Ei6)

The Arc Of Turkey's Descent Into Islamic, Third-World Madness

Daniel Pipes has an encyclopedic knowledge of the Arab and Muslim world, so his short histories of issues are always a worthwhile read.

His political analysis however tends to be slipshod, as he is overly fond of his own basic premise that militant Islam can be moderated and, as he demonstrates here, glossies over some really big events. Oh, and he is part of the moderate wing of the NeverTrumpers, although he hides it well.

Erdoğan's Turkish Delight: The Dangerous Reign of Ankara's Corrupt President

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's rule over Turkey began in March 2003 and divides precisely into two eras.

In the first half, which lasted 8 years and 4 months, he was brilliant. He oversaw unprecedented economic growth and regional influence. He tackled long-festering problems, such as the Kurdish issue, while discreetly handling his military overlords. His string of successes culminated in July 2011 with an assertion of control of the military, an accomplishment that had eluded all of his predecessors.

And then he reverted to type...The type that has dominated the Muslim world since...oh...Mohamed. The egomaniacal despot who is obsessed with his own position on the world stage.

But what Pipes minimizes is a profound change in Turkey, and that is the destruction of the checks and balances that its modern founder, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk created; a strong, secular military establishment to prevent the worst excesses of Islamism. Erdoğan managed to destroy that balance, and set the table for Turkey's return to Islamic dictatorship.

Regardless, it is an interesting article that describes the path from popularly elected leader to dictator. Turkey is a regional power, and one that is currently our de facto enemy. It is an excellent example of the failure of NATO, and the fecklessness of European leadership.

Posted by: CBD at 02:30 PM




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1 First.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:34 PM (Dhht7)

2 I don't know what the solution is, but I lean towards it not involving us.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:34 PM (Hl0hh)

3 First?

Posted by: UDM at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (v9EIf)

4 I nooded them.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Dhht7)

5 second

Posted by: firefirefire at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Seb55)

6 the possibility exists that this megalomaniac will declare himself caliph of all Muslims, perhaps on the centenary of the abolition of the Istanbul-based caliphate, either on March 10, 2021 (by the Islamic calendar) or March 4, 2024 (by the Christian one).

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That would be interesting.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:38 PM (Hl0hh)

7 Let me show my ignorance. Is there really a need for NATO today?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:39 PM (Dhht7)

8 I wonder how long Incirlik AB will be allowed to exist? It's a rather important base in a dangerous part of the world.

Posted by: Puddleglum, a new Soviet Virginian at November 17, 2019 02:40 PM (/90cp)

9 They said "nood turkey." I thought it was a food thread.

Posted by: Peaches at November 17, 2019 02:40 PM (14URa)

10 Let me show my ignorance. Is there really a need for NATO today?

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Sure. How are those Europeans going to pay for all their free healthcare and other goodies if they have to spend their own money on protecting themselves?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:40 PM (Hl0hh)

11 7: No

Posted by: Puddleglum, a new Soviet Virginian at November 17, 2019 02:41 PM (/90cp)

12 Wow, and I was thinking about moving to Turkey

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 02:41 PM (rpxSz)

13 They said "nood turkey." I thought it was a food thread

Got you here, didn't it.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:42 PM (Dhht7)

14 Turkey OUT of NATO. Constantinople back to Greece!

Posted by: Constantine XI at November 17, 2019 02:42 PM (yiAMj)

15 Let me show my ignorance. Is there really a need for NATO today?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:39 PM (Dhht7)

Oh, you stupid, backward American! I'll bet you didn't even get an undergraduate degree from Harvard...or even (shudder), Yale!

Posted by: Cap'n Kristol of the Good Ship Cuck at November 17, 2019 02:43 PM (wYseH)

16 "In the first half, which lasted 8 years and 4 months, he was brilliant."

Pretty sure I read report from observers of Turkey that warned Erdogan's performance was a facade during this period. Bigots, all!

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at November 17, 2019 02:44 PM (w+Ped)

17 14 Turkey OUT of NATO. Constantinople back to Greece!
Posted by: Constantine XI



We Will Rise Again!!

Posted by: Hittites at November 17, 2019 02:44 PM (/90cp)

18 On a smaller scale and in a shorter time frame to what we are going through here. As long as the culture supported the government system, it survived. Once enough people forgot the entire reason all of those strange (by historical standards) provisions and checks were put in place, they start endorsing some asshole who removes them and do not bat an eye.

People are stupid and evil.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 02:44 PM (ycWCI)

19 Got you here, didn't it.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:42 PM (Dhht7)
I thought there might be beer . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 17, 2019 02:44 PM (14URa)

20 10 Let me show my ignorance. Is there really a need for NATO today?

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Any entity with a cool acronym should be preserved

Posted by: IBM at November 17, 2019 02:44 PM (rpxSz)

21 Erdogan merely eliminated that check on his power in Turkey. Now he can become a typical ME dictator. The islamic flavor is just what seems to work in the ME - people accept it.

As the UniParty tries to do the same in the USA, subvert the 2nd Amendment. Then back to overt feudalism for us.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 17, 2019 02:45 PM (1g7ch)

22 The nood notices below promised turkey. I thought, hey, Food Thread, getting prepped for the big day, etc.

Surprise!

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 02:46 PM (DMUuz)

23 Oh, you stupid, backward American! I'll bet you didn't even get an undergraduate degree from Harvard...or even (shudder), Yale!

Posted by: Cap'n Kristol of the Good Ship Cuck

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No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:46 PM (Dhht7)

24
Let me show my ignorance. Is there really a need for NATO today?

Yes

Posted by: Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman at November 17, 2019 02:47 PM (aKsyK)

25 When was Erdogan ever brilliant or even beneficial?
The first thing that surprised me about him was the degree of Islamism he got away with imposing. (The army overthrew his predecessor for trying to legalize head-scarves.)
Why in hell hasn't Trump dumped him out of NATO yet? Turkey took the Russian side in the invasion of Georgia and would not help us in the second Iraq war -- and supports Hamas -- so we've known pretty much since he was elected that he is not America's friend.

Posted by: jdgalt at November 17, 2019 02:48 PM (3SFo/)

26 De facto enemy? Hmmm/meh. How? Problem, PITA, etc, yeah obviously.


The Iranian regime is an enemy [actually the worst, and longest-standing, 4O years almost to the week].


Maybe semantic issue, but Turkey today is much more a typical current mixed bag than an enemy. If they don't abet Iran materially, they don't pose much threat to our interests.


NATO has been an inertial relic of a wildly successful alliance, looking for a rationale, for a long time. And a separate issue [though Turkey as a member is arguably a legit argument-within-an-argument about NATO's irrelevance today]. Though in a way Turkey may be a "model" for how NATO, in practice, operates - we share some objectives, oppose them on others, make deals as we go. Not at all an alliance as founded, but maybe a useful mechanism for ongoing bilateral stuff.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 02:48 PM (QDnY+)

27 I am very much a stupid, backward American.

I also deeply believe in the idea that a moron posted a few months ago that if it takes you more than 30 seconds to explain something then that something is probably bullsh*t and I should listen with that in mind.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 02:48 PM (0GvUH)

28 They said "nood turkey." I thought it was a food thread.
Posted by: Peaches
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I was afraid it was Adam Schiff.

How are you, ma'am?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 02:49 PM (CDGwz)

29 Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman at November 17, 2019 02:47 PM

I seem to remember mentioning y'all at one point.

Posted by: D. D. Eisenhower at November 17, 2019 02:50 PM (DMUuz)

30 I don't want anything to do with the middle east, let them sort it out. The idea we can guide this is foolish. Even the "not terrible" ones are evil. Saudi Arabia had a big hand in 9/11, and that' supposed to be a strong ally.

I have to say I even like the idea of going to electric cars just to watch the middle east lose their trillions in fossil fuels. It would probably be cheaper than what we spend policing that region if we just moved the tech up a few years. I don't give a shit about the global warming lie, it would just be nice to watch these assholes have no source of income.

Posted by: Blago at November 17, 2019 02:50 PM (sjTfF)

31 Let me show my ignorance. Is there really a need for NATO today?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:39 PM (Dhht7)

Absolutely not. Just another drain on the US taxpayer by the Massa Youknowurmybitchs of the world to keep the gravy train rolling.

Once the Warsaw Pact went belly up, NATO should have gone away too.

Just like SEATO. Close it down.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 02:50 PM (Z+IKu)

32 >>Let me show my ignorance. Is there really a need for NATO today?

Yes

Posted by: O-6 checking boxes for promotion at November 17, 2019 02:50 PM (2cuLk)

33 Ve luff der idea of NATO!

Posted by: A. Merkel und Deutschland Social Programs at November 17, 2019 02:53 PM (DMUuz)

34 i thought it was food, too.

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:53 PM (Pg+x7)

35 i thought it was food, too.
Posted by: mjc
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Cannon fodder.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 02:54 PM (CDGwz)

36 Why has Trump welcomed Erdogan to the US, treated him like an ally. Hard to justify this on any basis. I've liked much of what Trump has done and said, but this one leaves me completely puzzled and questioning his judgment and motives.

Posted by: CanadianGuy at November 17, 2019 02:55 PM (jB6a5)

37 Islam is all about driving the world back into the 9th century

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 02:55 PM (ZCEU2)

38 Disconcerting thought.

https://bit.ly/2qnBhgb

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 02:57 PM (+y/Ru)

39 No, no, keep it straight.


The evil merchants of death were responsible for efforts to keep 15O special operators in northern Syria from moving a few miles [what the recent "policy change" amounted to] - I mean, the zillions in war profits from that massive operation can only be imagined.


NATO buys fairly little from us [as they don't really spend much, as you might have noticed].


It's the dozens of wars in hundreds of countries that we launched for no apparent reason that the merchants of death conspired to contrive. Or was it thousands of wars in millions of countries?



Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 02:57 PM (QDnY+)

40 We are looking at a fight to the death. Good over evil.

Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 02:58 PM (8/tIV)

41 Cannon fodder.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 02:54 PM


We prefer to call them crunchies.

Posted by: Track Drivers at November 17, 2019 02:58 PM (DMUuz)

42 ... it's called a "turkey" because people thought the birds resembled guineafowl traded by turks. in turkey the bird is called a "hindi" because the turks thought columbus landed in india and found them there.

(via wikipedia)

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:59 PM (Pg+x7)

43 A good book ( and should reread it) is History of Jihad, Mo to ISIS, it leaves no doubt it's true goal.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 03:00 PM (ZCEU2)

44 ... and in portugal they are called "peru" because it was thought they come from peru.

turkeys sure are stupid - they don't even know where they're from!

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 03:02 PM (Pg+x7)

45 Why is Trump welcoming Erdogan? Because any chance of him being removed from power by international pressure went out the window after the 2016 coup attempt. Instead of the western world siding with Erdogan then, they should have highlighted why a portion of the military wanted to remove him. We didn't have to approve of the coup but we didn't have to fully support Erdogan either. But just like everything else the Obama Administration did back then, it made things worse.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 17, 2019 03:02 PM (4thlk)

46 Zod claims this thread for Allah, PBUH.

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:02 PM (XzT/D)

47 46 Zod claims this thread for Allah, PBUH.
Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:02 PM (XzT/D)

Wait, Zod or Allah? Neither seem particularly interested in 'Peace'.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

48 I suspect NATO is appreciated in the same way everyone likes Ukraine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 03:05 PM (0GvUH)

49 I remember warnings about Erdogan when I still read the economist and I stopped reading it around 2000.

Pipes says things started to go wrong when Erdogan got control of the military, being the first leader since Ataturk to do this.

Well Doh!!!

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 17, 2019 03:05 PM (XzVUd)

50 >>Wait, Zod or Allah? Neither seem particularly interested in 'Peace'. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

Confounded impertinence!

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:06 PM (XzT/D)

51 36
Why has Trump welcomed Erdogan to the US


Why has he welcomed Xi ... think a little.

Posted by: Off the reservation at November 17, 2019 03:07 PM (XzVUd)

52 Pipes says things started to go wrong when Erdogan got control of the military, being the first leader since Ataturk to do this.

Well Doh!!!

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 17, 2019 03:05 PM (XzVUd)

'Things first started to go wrong when Warren succeeded in eliminating the second amendment.'

It is not the actual act that gets you, it is the ability of people hostile to the system to even become a part of the system.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 03:07 PM (ycWCI)

53 Confounded impertinence!
Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:06 PM (XzT/D)

Always.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 03:08 PM (ycWCI)

54 14
Turkey OUT of NATO. Constantinople back to Greece!


Need to get the nukes out of Turkey first.

Posted by: Off the reservation at November 17, 2019 03:08 PM (XzVUd)

55 Southern UK Treaty Organization.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 03:10 PM (RuIsu)

56 Blago,

Those electric cars ain't going to charge themselves and a grid charged by 'renewables' can't begin to support a 1st world economy, let alone support a transportation system.

The ME would still find a market for their oil.

Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 03:10 PM (kO3Bf)

57 http://bit.ly/2pv9YjQ
*******
HORRIBLE! Never-Trumper PISS Wallace Lies about Tim Morrison's Testimony on FOX News Sunday (VIDEO)

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 17, 2019 03:10 PM (BqBId)

58 They said "nood turkey." I thought it was a food thread.
Posted by: Peaches

Same here.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 03:11 PM (arJlL)

59 Zod claims this thread for Allah, PBUH.
Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:02 PM


This comment is evil in its imposition of harmful and hurtful gender stereotypes, and is evidence of the caliginous Commenter's patriarchal bias.

Transexistiantial beings may wish to reject the socially constructed gender assignments entirely, and self-reassign to one of the 89+ other genders that the human cisheteropatriarchy brutally represses. Who are we to say?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 03:11 PM (DMUuz)

60 >>Turkey OUT of NATO. Constantinople back to Greece!

Time for some realpolitik. Inform NATO that if it does not attack and destroy Turkey immediately, we will nuke Paris, Berlin, and London.

Do it. Do it now.

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:11 PM (XzT/D)

61 Why has Trump welcomed Erdogan to the US, treated him like an ally. Hard to justify this on any basis. I've liked much of what Trump has done and said, but this one leaves me completely puzzled and questioning his judgment and motives.
Posted by: CanadianGuy
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Well, he's rubbed shoulders with Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping also. Perhaps *they* are puzzled too. 'Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer'.

I see no sign, except for superficialities, that Trump is in any way wobbly.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 03:11 PM (xSo9G)

62 Southern UK Treaty Organization.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 03:10 PM



SUKTO? Yesss!

Posted by: Marv Albert at November 17, 2019 03:14 PM (786Ro)

63 Continued from 45.



Now Trump needs to work with Erdogan so we can start disengaging ourselves from the Syria fiasco. We need to work with Erdogan to try and limit Iran from gaining influence. We need to welcome and work with Erdogan for the same reasons we do it for Putan, Jong Un and Xi. To maintain a somewhat stable global atmosphere where we can implement some changes that are favorable to us economically.




Posted by: lowandslow at November 17, 2019 03:15 PM (4thlk)

64 I see no sign, except for superficialities, that Trump is in any way wobbly.

Ya won't find HIS prints on a bollard.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 03:15 PM (arJlL)

65 Turkey out of NATO? How about USA out of NATO?

Posted by: Hands at November 17, 2019 03:16 PM (786Ro)

66 61 Why has Trump welcomed Erdogan to the US, treated him like an ally. Hard to justify this on any basis. I've liked much of what Trump has done and said, but this one leaves me completely puzzled and questioning his judgment and motives.
Posted by: CanadianGuy

so you never have shaken hands with anyone you don't care for ?

been polite to someone you abhor ?

Cost a lot, huh ?

lost sleep over it ?

kant even

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 03:16 PM (rpxSz)

67 60 >>Turkey OUT of NATO. Constantinople back to Greece!

Time for some realpolitik. Inform NATO that if it does not attack and destroy Turkey immediately, we will nuke Paris, Berlin, and London.

Do it. Do it now.
Posted by: Zod



Finally, a sensible proposition.

Posted by: Puddleglum, a new Soviet Virginian at November 17, 2019 03:17 PM (/90cp)

68 kant even
Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 03:16 PM


Especially when they camus over uninvited?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 03:17 PM (DMUuz)

69 >>66 61 Why has Trump welcomed Erdogan to the US, treated him like an ally. Posted by: CanadianGuy

He'd probably have gained more by treating Erdogan like an enemy. Because [ ].

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:18 PM (XzT/D)

70 Finally, a sensible proposition.
Posted by: Puddleglum, a new Soviet Virginian at November 17, 2019 03:17 PM (/90cp)


Zod's restraint is admirable

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 03:19 PM (rpxSz)

71 Finally was able to read AG Barr's magnificent speech to the Federalist Society from earlier this week - now linked by Glenn Reynolds over at his site- what a fantastic tribute to why the Executive Branch was created and needs to be protected from encroachment from Lefties and the judiciary.

All Horde should read this speech - if only because it encapsulates why Trump supporters are outraged and gives this outrage the robust legal and required Constitutional backing it derives from...

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 03:19 PM (32YRo)

72 well, dewey stop talking to them?

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 03:19 PM (Pg+x7)

73 "Turkey out of NATO? How about USA out of NATO?"



Better yet, how about the end of NATO and nations begin to take care of their own national security needs.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 17, 2019 03:21 PM (4thlk)

74 14
Turkey OUT of NATO. Constantinople back to Greece!

Posted by: Constantine XI


That's nobody's business but the Turks!

Posted by: pep at November 17, 2019 03:21 PM (T6t7i)

75 kant even
Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 03:16 PM

Especially when they camus over uninvited?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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What does it matter?

Posted by: Nietzsche at November 17, 2019 03:21 PM (CDGwz)

76 Grease is the word. And Turkey. Greasey turkey.

This is a food thread!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 03:22 PM (Vy7tf)

77 Serving two masters

crazies are running impeachment

mod squad driving the primaries

seems quite reasonable

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 03:23 PM (rpxSz)

78 I agree that NATO has become somewhat pointless.
Its remaining mission appears to be to defend the former Warsaw Pact countries, especially Poland and Hungary, against invasion by Russia. But since we don't have even a tenth of the forces there that we had in West Germany and its neighbors during the Cold War, *and* our supply lines in such a war would be long and vulnerable while Russia's would not, I would expect Russian troops to reach the Rhine before we even got our collective thumb out.
It would help if we withdrew the troops we now have in about 120 countries, most of which don't even affect us. And that especially goes for Africa and the Middle East (except arguably Israel). Let China try to dominate Muslim countries all day long and stack the bodies high on both sides: those powers deserve to fight each other. And it will give the Muslims an enemy they'll want to terrorize much more than they want to do it to us.
In short, it is time for Trump to give the speech that Emperor Hadrian did: the time that we can afford to dominate the world has ended, and we need to concentrate on protecting our own country for as long as we still can.

Posted by: jdgalt at November 17, 2019 03:23 PM (3SFo/)

79 how else can we sartre to have a dialogue?

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 03:23 PM (Pg+x7)

80
"Feckless" and "European" are synonymous. Huge pretensions, huge failures.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 03:24 PM (7rVsF)

81 This is a food thread!
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 03:22 PM (Vy7tf)

Hijacker spotted in terminal AOS

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 03:24 PM (rpxSz)

82 and to hume should we talk?

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 03:25 PM (Pg+x7)

83 In short, it is time for Trump to give the speech
that Emperor Hadrian did: the time that we can afford to dominate the
world has ended, and we need to concentrate on protecting our own
country for as long as we still can.


Posted by: jdgalt

I think that's part of the reason we don't get rid of NATO: it means we're on the decline (at least that's the assumption). We know how that worked out for the Romans.

Posted by: pep at November 17, 2019 03:25 PM (T6t7i)

84 Drudge: "Humans at war with apes as villagers take revenge butchering baby-eating chimps."

Apes butcher humans, eat villages, take revenge.

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:26 PM (XzT/D)

85 >>83 In short, it is time for Trump to give the speech
that Emperor Hadrian did: the time that we can afford to dominate the world has ended, and we need to concentrate on protecting our own country for as long as we still can.

Time for Trump to give the Athenian proposition to the Melians. "We will take what we want. Those resisting us will be made to eat the bag of dicks."

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:30 PM (XzT/D)

86 Need to get the nukes out of Turkey first.

Posted by: Off the reservation at November 17, 2019 03:08 PM (XzVUd)

Or set them off.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 03:30 PM (/sgva)

87 Just a reminder that the impeachment fiasco is blowing up in the democrats face. Rasmussen had Trump at 46% on Monday before the public hearings started, he is at 50% approval today. 2 points higher than obama on the same day in his Presidency.


Also they have the generic congressional poll at 46% Republican to 45% democrat. democrats usually lead that poll by 5-6 points.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 03:32 PM (JUOKG)

88 Time for Trump to give the Athenian proposition to
the Melians. "We will take what we want. Those resisting us will be made
to eat the bag of dicks."

Posted by: Zod


Okay, but what's the downside?

Posted by: Melians at November 17, 2019 03:32 PM (T6t7i)

89 Its remaining mission appears to be to defend the former Warsaw Pact countries, especially Poland and Hungary, against invasion by Russia.

And here I thought it was about the bureaucratic nature of a country with a 'World Reserve Currency" status. That is, diplomacy is the art of not fixing any problems but only perpetuate the problem to keep the bureaucracy in place.

The Reserve Currency status simply means that, for all intents and purposes, the budget to piss away on perpetual emplacement is endless. There are many people who have a vested interest in keeping a flow of money going in.

NATO will exist for as long as the former united States has the ability to underwrite the myriad of grifters, sinecures and bureaucrats who see their position as eternal.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 03:32 PM (lD3vL)

90 78 "Its remaining mission appears to be to defend the former Warsaw Pact
countries, especially Poland and Hungary, against invasion by Russia"



I see no evidence that Russia even cares about them, but we could work that out independently with those two nations if that's something they want. Right now it seems like it's Germany that controls these European organizations in an attempt to gain more influence in the eastern bloc and the Russian border countries. Not to say that Germany is back to their old notions of controlling Europe but let's not forget history and assume they're harmless.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 17, 2019 03:36 PM (4thlk)

91 The next thread no doubt be about greese

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 03:37 PM (ZCEU2)

92 2h
.@MattWhitaker46, Fmr Acting AG:

"This IG report will be probably one of the most consequential reports we've had in many years. It'll demonstrate that people took advantage of the #FISA process...Americans will be troubled by what IG is going to report"

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 17, 2019 03:37 PM (BqBId)

93 I think that's part of the reason we don't get rid of NATO: it means we're on the decline (at least that's the assumption). We know how that worked out for the Romans.

If the former united States is on the decline is because the culture has gone to rot; the borders are wide open; the Regulatory State has made great strides in overthrowing the government; and profound levels of debt.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 03:38 PM (lD3vL)

94 Let me show my ignorance. Is there really a need for NATO today?


No.


But, there is a need for FRITO.

For dips and such.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 03:38 PM (9X624)

95 DSiDS- Democrats won't

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 03:39 PM (ZCEU2)

96 But, there is a need for FRITO.



For dips and such.



Posted by: naturalfake


However, there is no need for BETO, because he's such a dip and such.

Posted by: Melians at November 17, 2019 03:41 PM (T6t7i)

97 PJ media - Buttaguy takes lead in Iowa poll

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 03:45 PM (ZCEU2)

98 97
PJ media - Buttaguy takes lead in Iowa poll

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 03:45 PM (ZCEU2)
Iowa needs to get right the fuck over itself. Nobody cares anymore.

Posted by: Peaches at November 17, 2019 03:48 PM (14URa)

99 Turks are Muslims not Arabs, and I discount Pipes because of this. The Turkish military had been the sole institutional guarantor of sectarian and Western looking government. Pipes looks on their destruction benignly.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2019 03:48 PM (EZebt)

100 Lime Tostito > Frito

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 03:49 PM (Dhht7)

101 "Finally was able to read AG Barr's magnificent speech"

Great speech I thought... I listened to it at 1.5x normal speed, and it seemed like regular speed. Nice feature at YouTube, to speed up the videos.


What Barr did not make clear, was why he had not prosecuted Hillary for destroying evidence and her multiple other crimes. Maybe it is too late, idk. Or maybe all that is under way.


He lamented the obstruction of POTUS by congress, but imo at the root is the criminal DeepState, which has long ruled over POTUS via misinformation or perhaps kompromat or other methods of overthrow by bureaucratic countermanding. But that was not his topic ... so he made good points along the way.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2019 03:49 PM (Cus5s)

102 secular?

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 03:49 PM (Pg+x7)

103 Tulsi has been dubbed a Russian stooge by the Empress, so what kind of safe, non-crazy (at least obviously so) candidate do they have?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 03:49 PM (ycWCI)

104 100 Lime Tostito > Frito
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 03:49 PM (Dhht7)

Cantina Style Tostitos.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 03:50 PM (ycWCI)

105 Many think Erdogan wants to be the leader of the new caliphate, Turkey has seen themselves as suchmany times in history.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 03:51 PM (ZCEU2)

106 >>Buttaguy takes lead in Iowa poll

Putin smiles. "In Russia, those with the man-butt-sex disease are, how you say, unfortunated into a camp."

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 03:54 PM (XzT/D)

107 What Barr did not make clear, was why he had not
prosecuted Hillary for destroying evidence and her multiple other
crimes. Maybe it is too late, idk. Or maybe all that is under way.


Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2019 03:49 PM

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The Statute of Limitations for most non-violent Federal crimes is 5 years. He literally could not prosecute her. The DOJ knew about hillary's illegal secret server years ago. Well before john kerry became Secretary of State in 2013.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 03:54 PM (JUOKG)

108 *non sectarian government

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2019 03:55 PM (EZebt)

109 As we begin move into the stretch of the stretch in Iowa, please remember to pronounce my name correctly: "Comma-la!".

Thank you.

Posted by: Kamala! at November 17, 2019 03:58 PM (DMUuz)

110 Pipes looks on their destruction benignly.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2019 03:48 PM (EZebt)

My point exactly. It was the pivot point for the entire change in Turkey, and Pipes mentions it in passing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 03:58 PM (wYseH)

111 OT: Scalpers sold tickets to Kanye at Olsteen's church at $500 a pop. I seem to remember something about moneychangers in the Temple . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 04:00 PM (+y/Ru)

112 Nood food. Not Turkey.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 04:03 PM (Dhht7)

113 Nood-les

Posted by: Cheribebe at November 17, 2019 04:03 PM (a4qVe)

114 The next thread no doubt be about greese
Posted by: Skip

Greek gooses ?

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 04:03 PM (arJlL)

115 Meanwhile in America, demonize, otherize and then assure your allies that only through totalitarian means will they truly be safe from those wrong thinking individuals.

Posted by: Zeno the Stoic at November 17, 2019 04:03 PM (cGlgB)

116 Frankly, there are several parallels between what has happened in Iran with what has happened in Turkey.

A modern, Western-oriented Muslim people and culture captured and radicalised by an Islamist minority.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2019 04:09 PM (EZebt)

117 Rome tried peaceful coexistence with Carthage. Hannibal's successful attack came as a surprise. Then the Romans mobilized and defeated Carthage, but it wasn't easy.
Should the Romans have intervened earlier to help Saguntum? It probably made no sense. The best way to learn is from experience. After the Second Punic War, Roman foreign policy became much more, let's say, proactive.

Posted by: PG at November 17, 2019 04:11 PM (iqCkn)

118 Turkey could have been a shinning example of reform that was possible to the islamic world. It instead reverted to form demonstrating it is impossible for Islam to exist with democracy or capitalism.

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at November 17, 2019 04:14 PM (Ju2mK)

119 And then he reverted to type...The type that has dominated the Muslim world since...oh...Mohamed. The egomaniacal despot who is obsessed with his own position on the world stage.

Arguably since Constantine before that and Aurelian before him. And Alexander III before both. And then we could talk about the Hittites.

It's an ancient Balkan / Anatolian disease, Sun-King-Itis. Adding Islam to that mix wasn't ever going to end well.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 04:53 PM (ykYG2)

120 What Pipes misses is that the Military was the check on Militant Islam taking over the Government.

They had stepped in before to correct that.

Once Erdogan had taken them out of the power equation, he could show his 'true stripes', and try to recreate the Ottoman Empire.

Right now there is a three way power play going on in the Mideast, and its ethnic.

Aryans (Iran), vs Arabs (Saud and Allies), with the Turks as new players.

Throw in some western influence, and some chaos? Plus a few Russians (Syria) and Chinese (selling arms to Iran).

All for European and Japanese oil?

Trump's first instincts were correct, we need to get out of that mess. There is no way we can fix it.

Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 04:53 PM (NgKpN)

121 116 Frankly, there are several parallels between what has happened in Iran with what has happened in Turkey.

A modern, Western-oriented Muslim people and culture captured and radicalised by an Islamist minority.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2019 04:09 PM (EZebt)

Better example would be Lebanon. Once considered the banking capital of the Mid East.

It had a high tourism rate.

Then, the late 70's and early 80's hit, and chaos brought on by outside influence creating Chaos.

Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 04:56 PM (NgKpN)

122 http://bit.ly/2Ks8Btd
*******
Steve Bannon Says He Pushed For Alleged Whistleblower To Be Removed From National Security Council | The Daily Caller
*******
Trump has known about Eric Ciaramella since then

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 17, 2019 04:58 PM (BqBId)

123 "118
Turkey could have been a shinning example of reform that was possible to
the islamic world. It instead reverted to form demonstrating it is
impossible for Islam to exist with democracy or capitalism.

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at November 17, 2019 04:14 PM (Ju2mK)"
..
It's a bit more than that; Turkey demonstrates that the risk of attempting to coexist with islam is not worth the feel-good bullshit. In a decade they went from the poster child for a "modern" islamic state, to literally trucking brigades full of volunteers armed with garish pakistani gas-station cutlery to rape and dismember civilian populations.
Everybody is focused on China, but the Chinese have already figured out that they're going to get the 21st century equivalent of Uncle Joe Stalin's Blank Check of Convenience, and are acting accordingly. What they're doing on the mainland is horrific and wrong... and in 15, 20 years nobody is going to give a shit.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 17, 2019 05:18 PM (67XdO)

124 Nobody gives a _ _ _ _ about the Uighurs now.

They are too involved trying to remove Trump.



Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 05:35 PM (WkaWu)

125

Turkey= Thanksgiving. deep fried Constantinople is the BEST.

Posted by: saf at November 17, 2019 05:46 PM (5IHGB)

126

"Yovanovitch" embassy was known in Ukraine as HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN CENTER!
I have 5 witnesses to testify to that!
Yovanovitch planned a big party for CrookedH on Election Night.
She personally requested dismissal of 4 cases, including against Biden & Soros!"
*******

http://bit.ly/2NXDkkd

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 17, 2019 06:13 PM (BqBId)

127 Has anyone noted that it was the EU that got the Turkish Constitution changed to remove the military as the ultimate defender of democracy? Because it was. They told Turkey that there was no way they were getting into the Union as long as that clause existed. Turkey changed it and the Euros said LOLGF, Brah! anyway.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 06:13 PM (yQpMk)

128 Better example would be Lebanon.


Black September. All the Palestinians driven out of Jordan went there and upset the three way political balance between the Christians, the Druze, and the Arabs. The Christians started emigrating to America and soon they didn't have the numbers to fight it out and eventually had to capitulated. I think that I read once that there are more Lebanese Christians in the US now than remain in Lebanon.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 06:17 PM (yQpMk)

129 Yovanovitch planned a big party for CrookedH on Election Night.
She personally requested dismissal of 4 cases, including against Biden & Soros!"
*******

http://bit.ly/2NXDkkd

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 17, 2019 06:13 PM (BqBId)


Rudy Giuliani
Yovanovitch embassy was known in Ukraine as HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN CENTER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgxndNdHj50

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 06:19 PM (WkaWu)

130 http://bit.ly/2qXAjHI
*******
HOLY SHIT !!! San Fran Nan has lost that LOON Kathy Areu

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 17, 2019 06:22 PM (BqBId)

131 John Solomon claims Obama, Brennan and Lynch Involved in Spygate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLYrqzQGwg&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 06:52 PM (WkaWu)

132 Sec State Clinton gets uppity with student in S Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIVYRYVB5b8

Posted by: Way Back Machine at November 17, 2019 06:58 PM (WkaWu)

133 Should the Romans have intervened earlier to help Saguntum? It probably made no sense. The best way to learn is from experience. After the Second Punic War, Roman foreign policy became much more, let's say, proactive.

Posted by: PG

Rome's early philosophy was in favor of absorbing outlying provinces vs conquering as that spent less on the Republic treasury. This proved successful in cultures that had no running water plumbing or civil engineering that Rome had. Later, when the "barbarians" resisted these modern improvements of life, force became necessary - and thus the world went into decline.
Thanks for nothing, you barbaric Visigoths!

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 06:59 PM (32YRo)

134 Excellent.

Posted by: Chouinard at November 17, 2019 07:12 PM (ua1m6)

135 This is why I've always stated that, if you aren't prepping, you will be dead in 10 years. And if you don't teach your children to prep, you are a child abuser.

Posted by: Jonah Kyle at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (SH7Tr)

136 NATO will exist for as long as the former united States has the ability
to underwrite the myriad of grifters, sinecures and bureaucrats who see
their position as eternal.

DING! DING! DING!!

Posted by: Capitan Obvious at November 17, 2019 08:28 PM (tdyjx)

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 08:47 PM (WkaWu)

The Evolution Of Falciparum Malaria (the nastiest kind)

Nature, to the extent it cares at all, likes to kill us.

And of course it doesn't care one way or the other, because "Nature" isn't a sentient being. It is a numberless collection of processes and equilibria and feedback loops and all sorts of fascinating stuff.

50,000-year-old gene reveals how deadliest malaria parasite jumped from gorillas to humans

Malaria causes 435,000 deaths per year on average, with ~61% occurring in children <5 years of age. P. falciparum is the of seven species of parasite that can cause malaria in a family known as the Laverania and causes the deadliest form of the infectious disease; in 2017, this parasite accounted for 99.7% of cases in Africa.

The Laverania parasites originated in African great apes; however, they are now restricted to their own specific host species. Three parasite species are confined to chimpanzees, and three are combined to gorillas. What about the seventh, you ask?

Too bad one of the greatest mass murderers in history (Rachel Carson) was able to fool the world into thinking that the life of the malaria mosquito is more important than the lives of millions and millions of people.

Regardless, this is an interesting progression of the disease...

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM




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1 Wow a first

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:16 PM (ZCEU2)

2 Ok, I might have had one or two before,

I'll just get t he others

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:16 PM (ZCEU2)

3 Nature to be truthful is trying to kill us

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:18 PM (ZCEU2)

4 I saw a neat graphic in a book of my daughter's when she was 8 or so. It was sort of a Venn diagram showing how many of what animals kill the most humans.

Sharks, bears, alligators, and all the scary ones were in tiny little circles in the middle of a HUGE circle that simply said "mosquitoes."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:19 PM (PRN3w)

5 Parasite? I thought this was a link to the DNC.

Posted by: Parker Longbaugh at November 17, 2019 12:19 PM (+BOMm)

6 It continues to depress me that so-called environmentalists are the greatest threat to mankind (and frankly, a clean and safe environment).

Posted by: Deranged DM at November 17, 2019 12:20 PM (Q3xyR)

7 Hopefully Rachel Carson is in hell, suffering from malaria and being fully exsanguinated by millions of mosquitoes for all eternity, while the screams and cries of all the kids who suffered and died because of her.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:20 PM (NWiLs)

8 This isn't it exactly but it's a similar idea:

https://tinyurl.com/rx8ej6c

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:20 PM (PRN3w)

9 Sharks, bears, alligators, and all the scary ones were in tiny little circles in the middle of a HUGE circle that simply said "mosquitoes."
Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:19 PM (PRN3w)
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Spend some more time in the water, hoo-mon, and we'll see about that.

Posted by: Sharks at November 17, 2019 12:21 PM (3Z6pZ)

10 Mosquitos have most likely killed more people than Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot and a few others put together.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:21 PM (ZCEU2)

11 Hmmm.
And we were just discussing tick bites this morning.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (axyOa)

12 Has anyone actually read Silent Spring in the last fifty years?

I haven't, but I remember making construction paper presentations about how DDT was making eagles' egg shells thinner and keeping them from making eagle babies.

And we do have a ton more eagles than we used to.

I don't think Carlson's intent was to save the skeeters and I certainly think stopping malaria in malaria places is a good idea, but is our reflexive hate for her justified?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

13 You're so tasty, it's hard to resist.

Posted by: Aëdes Aegypti at November 17, 2019 12:23 PM (3Z6pZ)

14 > Mosquitos have most likely killed more people than Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot and a few others put together.

The western envirowhacko movement was created out of whole cloth by communists, so the modern malaria deaths should also be charged to communism.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 17, 2019 12:24 PM (oQp6r)

15 We've had two local schools shut down temporarily because of a mysterious virus or something that hits fast. Apparently, it's not terribly serious, I don't think there have been any fatalities, but it spreads like wildfire

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 12:24 PM (+y/Ru)

16 Didn't complete my sentence. "...while the screams and cries of all the kids who suffered and died because of her fill her ears."

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:26 PM (NWiLs)

17 but is our reflexive hate for her justified?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Yes. Her manipulation and fabrication of scientific studies changed the way Western society saw nature. She had to have known what she was doing, at least on some level, but her hubris overwhelmed whatever perspective she may have had, and she followed the typical progressive folly of the perfectibility of Man. But this time she didn't hurt anyone in the West...she is responsible for millions of deaths in the developing world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:27 PM (wYseH)

18 Kilroynius hic erat
Epsteinius se non interficiebantur

Posted by: Gaius Kilroynius at November 17, 2019 12:27 PM (DMUuz)

19 This isn't it exactly but it's a similar idea:

https://tinyurl.com/rx8ej6c

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Fresh water snail? What have those bastards been up to?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 12:27 PM (+y/Ru)

20 AW. They had one I heard about on Denver news. They think its a very fast moving noro-virus. I think its noro-virus, the one that sometimes hits cruise ships and gives everyone 'stomach flu'.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2019 12:28 PM (n4y+3)

21 Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Even at the time the EPA scientists rejected those claims.

They were overturned by the Head of the EPA, who soon after, retired and went to work for?

Yes, a company that made much more expensive Mosquito spray.

But the deeper question is?

How many Humans died to 'POTENTIALLY' save each Eagle?

Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 12:28 PM (NgKpN)

22 Imagine how many eagles we'd have if they tasted really good.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (PRN3w)

23 How many Humans died to 'POTENTIALLY' save each Eagle?
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 12:28 PM (NgKpN)


They were mostly little black people so who cares, right?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs)

24 Malaria? Sounds interesting, will it go in a bucket?

Posted by: Hot Diarrhea Hobo at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (K4I9O)

25 22 Imagine how many eagles we'd have if they tasted really good.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (PRN3w)

Farm 'em like chickens.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:29 PM (NWiLs)

26 Malaria resistance by contrast lagged. The sickle-cell gene first appears in the Sahara during one of its rare moist periods.

tinyurl.com/wl2reou

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:30 PM (ykYG2)

27 Just last night I was watching MST, Horror of Party Beach, and there's scenes where they're sampling water sources to see where the goofy monsters might be. The nMike says something along the lines of "all this because of that bitch Rachel Carson."

It was an unusually pointed barb from a guy whose humor is very good-natured for the most part. it struck me.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 17, 2019 12:30 PM (x8Wzq)

28 The western envirowhacko movement was created out of whole cloth by communists,


You must be young. In the sixties the rivers were foul. The Connecticut River in New Hampshire stopped freezing over. Cities were stink bombs. New Jersey smelled like a refinery. Trash littered the highways and byways. Boston Harbor got HW elected.

Air and water are clean now.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:30 PM (gd9RK)

29 If only there was some common and economical way to kill mosquitoes.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at November 17, 2019 12:30 PM (pw+jk)

30 Fresh water snail? What have those bastards been up to?

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I don't know details but IIRC they carry a lot of parasites. I remember a couple of years ago there was a kid in Europe somewhere who ate one on a silly schoolboy dare and started wasting away as his brain was being slowly destroyed.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:31 PM (PRN3w)

31 Ah... Rachel Carson. If she wanted to help man and nature she'd have done better as compost.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:31 PM (5aX2M)

32 I don't think Carlson's intent was to save the skeeters and I certainly think stopping malaria in malaria places is a good idea, but is our reflexive hate for her justified?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)


Evil is fairly well separated between intentional and unintentional. The difference, as they say, is not really much wider than a skeeter peener.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 12:32 PM (hku12)

33 but is our reflexive hate for her justified?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

And the tired arguments in support of her are specious. DDT resistance does exist, but it is still the best and by far the cheapest insecticide that works. When you can make paint and mosquito netting with it for pennies, it seems like a good idea!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:32 PM (wYseH)

34 Bandersnatch- I took it as their ban on DDT

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:33 PM (ZCEU2)

35 Think of all the eagles we saved that have no been killed by windfarms.

The left kills. It kills al the time. In good faith but mostly in bad, evil faith.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at November 17, 2019 12:34 PM (pw+jk)

36 I'm reminded of the multi-billion dollar radon abatement business that came about after the feds determined that miners breathing uranium dust and smoking cigarettes all day developed lung cancer because of their exposure to radon in a basement.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:35 PM (PRN3w)

37 Rachel Carson killed ten times more black folks than the Janjaweed and crack combined.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:35 PM (5aX2M)

38 You're so tasty, it's hard to resist.
=====

Okay, any of youse serious sciency guys: is it true that mosquitos prefer O blood? Some people get bitten badly all the time, and others very rarely.

A relative told me that it was O-type blood that really attracted them. Have no idea whether it is 'true' or not.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:36 PM (MIKMs)

39 For all the leave the planet to nature and lessen or kill off humans and the Gaia would be fine it's still as always been a dog eat dog world.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:36 PM (ZCEU2)

40 One of Hugo Chavez's accomplishments is bringing Malaria back to Venezuela after it was pretty much eradicated there.

But seems to me I've read that the biggest factor for keeping malaria thriving is people all sleeping in the same rooms and no window screens. So the fooking 'CO2 will kill the planet and nuclear is red alert dangerous' current enviro-nazis have a lot more do to with kids in Africa dying.

Limiting energy and economic development and keeping those 'brown people' living in one room grass huts is way more responsible for kids dying then what skeeter control is used IMO.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2019 12:36 PM (n4y+3)

41 31 Ah... Rachel Carson. If she wanted to help man and nature she'd have done better as compost.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:31 PM (5aX2M)

Testify.

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at November 17, 2019 12:40 PM (Ct55T)

42 tap tap. Is this thing on or did I break the blog?

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2019 12:40 PM (n4y+3)

43 Anno, she didn't want to save the skeeters. She ostensibly wanted to save birds (and her unscientific theory about that was dead wrong, anyway).

I don't reflexively hate her.

Even if her theories about birds were right (again, they weren't), it wouldn't justify thirty million malaria deaths in humans to save some stupid birds.

It was just a proto-SJW virtue signalling scold whose crusade worked and caused untold human suffering.

My hatred of Rachel Carson is well-considered.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:41 PM (5aX2M)

44 Another sciency oddity that I do not know if true: anti-viral 'cleaners' appear to create bigger and stronger viruses. From what I recall, hypochlorite bleach just kills them dead. Must be a lot of $$$ in so-called 'anti-virals'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:42 PM (MIKMs)

45 Another sciency oddity that I do not know if true: anti-viral 'cleaners' appear to create bigger and stronger viruses. From what I recall, hypochlorite bleach just kills them dead. Must be a lot of $$$ in so-called 'anti-virals'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:42 PM (MIKMs)

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Sorry, but how are we going to charge $1700 to clean a hospital room if we're just using ten cents worth of bleach?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:43 PM (Hl0hh)

46 HOLLA!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 12:43 PM (Hl0hh)

47 Watching F-1 as well

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:43 PM (ZCEU2)

48 And in fact not only is environmentalism not communist, but the best environmentalism has been undertaken by Deplorables.

Ducks Unlimited has restored countless acres of wetlands because we like to shoot ducks. Various local organizations are spearheading dam removal to restore fish migration because we like to catch fish.

Conservation is conservative. The hint is in the name.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (gd9RK)

49 I thought most of those cleansers are 'anti-bacterial' Since a lot of bacteria are good guys that give us yogurt, tasty cheese, help critters digest things etc it is not a good thing to get too carried away killing them willy nilly.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (n4y+3)

50 What is "Silent Spring" credited with accomplishing, besides banning DDT?Intent is only part of the equation.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (QrvWz)

51 but is our reflexive hate for her justified?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Yes. Her manipulation and fabrication of scientific studies changed the way Western society saw nature. She had to have known what she was doing, at least on some level, but her hubris overwhelmed whatever perspective she may have had, and she followed the typical progressive folly of the perfectibility of Man. But this time she didn't hurt anyone in the West...she is responsible for millions of deaths in the developing world.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:27 PM (wYseH)



Agreed.

Everything she said about DDT was wrong or a flat out lie.

She was the prototype for every single lame-ass false science panic we see today.

AGW anyone?

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 12:46 PM (kauXV)

52 Rachel Carson didn't ban DDT. It was the same politicos that now believe in global warning.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 12:46 PM (aS1PU)

53 Conservation is conservative. The hint is in the name.
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Yep. Kids make fun of me because in a general sense, I approve of recycling (not the modern religion).

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:48 PM (MIKMs)

54 Yep. Kids make fun of me because in a general sense, I approve of recycling (not the modern religion).
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:48 PM (MIKMs)

Most recycling, IIRC, isn't particularly cost or energy effective.

Also, conservationism and environmentalism are NOT the same thing.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:49 PM (NWiLs)

55 Conservation is conservative. The hint is in the name.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (gd9RK)

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I make this point to city-dwelling lefties all the time... want to save America's wild lands? Go to the hunters. Want to preserve forestry? Go to the lumberjacks. Want to preserve the fish? Go to the fishermen. These are the people doing the work.

Want to fuck it all up?

Go to Greenpeace and the DC regulators. They're the people doing the work.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:50 PM (5aX2M)

56 52 Rachel Carson didn't ban DDT. It was the same politicos that now believe in global warning.
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 12:46 PM (aS1PU)

Crazy pseudoscience nutters don't kill people.

Lawgivers who utilize crazy pseudoscience nutters to convince the masses kill people.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:51 PM (Ct55T)

57 Yep. Kids make fun of me because in a general sense, I approve of recycling (not the modern religion).
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:48 PM (MIKMs)

Most recycling, IIRC, isn't particularly cost or energy effective.

Also, conservationism and environmentalism are NOT the same thing.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:49 PM (NWiLs)



Yep.

Most (probably all) recycling in simply a political make-work graftomatic handout to someone's brother in law or cousin or kid.

Zero scientific basis for it.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 12:52 PM (kauXV)

58 56 yep

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)

59 Yep.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 12:52 PM (kauXV)

yep

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)

Mmmmm-hm.

*sips beer*

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:53 PM (Ct55T)

60
A joke, just for you

The local game warden had finally arrested the elderly gentleman who'd been poaching bald eagles...

"So, what do you do with these eagles you've slaughtered?"

"Eat 'em".

"You EAT them?!!??"

"Yep!"

Finally the warden's curiosity overcomes his disgust...

"Well, uh...what do they taste like?"

"Oh, a bit liked spotted owl."

Posted by: Gooshy at November 17, 2019 12:53 PM (GuoJz)

61
Most recycling, IIRC, isn't particularly cost or energy effective.
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It is for me. My little city has free recycle pickup (what they do with it afterwards is not the point) versus $6 per 32gal can of trash. For personal math, it works and everyone supporting the silliness gets to cash in their Green Stamps and all is good.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:53 PM (MIKMs)

62 For personal math, it works and everyone supporting the silliness gets to cash in their Green Stamps and all is good.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:53 PM (MIKMs)

First question...

Are the recycling collectors and the trash collectors the same people?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:54 PM (Ct55T)

63 Currently reading The Mosquito: A Human History of Our Deadliest Predator by Timothy C. Winegard on this very subject.

Posted by: Sisqui at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (ienGK)

64 Okay, any of youse serious sciency guys: is it true that mosquitos prefer O blood?

My guess is yes. I think mosquitoes (technically mosquitas - they're fem) sniff out proteins in blood that might harm them. (Sickle cell doesn't protect against that; just against the malarial parasite which mosquitas carry.)

I (AB+) get bit by mosquitas but I get the impression they only bite me when they don't find anything better. Kind of like how my dating life went.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (ykYG2)

65 Ilhan Omar

Verified account
@IlhanMN
If being #TooFarLeft means believing:
✅ Healthcare is a human right
✅ Future generations should live on a healthy planet
✅ All student debt should be cancelled
✅ The minimum wage should be $15
✅ Lives depend on gun reform
✅ Families don’t belong in cages

Count me in! 💪🏽

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (LxTcq)

66 Rachel C. started with an admirable idea, preventing needless collateral damage from DDT among species the than the targeted (and much hated mosquitos). Where she went wrong was deliberate mismanaging experimental data to make a point on which she had firmly made up her mind but didn't have data to support. She probably would have accepted a kinder, gentler machine gun hand aimed at skeeters solely, but she was a top-down government-first technocrat and had no trust of freedom to eventually solve the problem.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 12:56 PM (NVYyb)

67 Recycling is not energy efficient. It's a cult.

How did we get away from re-use? In my day we took the case of empties back to the beer place and the new beer came in bottles that had been washed.

The painted on labels would fade, you'd see some wear on the outside of the glass, you could tell that the bottle had had beer of the same brand in it before.

Why did that stop? Washing bottles is environmentally efficient.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 12:56 PM (gd9RK)

68 My DH and I are both type O blood. If we are outside I might get a skeeter bite or two, hubs gets eaten alive. If there is a skeeter within a 5 mile radius it will find him and bite him.

Posted by: Cheribebe at November 17, 2019 12:57 PM (a4qVe)

69 Metal recycling, particularly aluminum, is good for the environment (and the economy). Glass recycling can be to an extent - usually in self-contained factories recycling slag. Most of the rest is demonstrably bad for the environment, particularly paper recycling.

A good general rule is that recycling that profits tends to be environmentally beneficial, and if it needs to be subsidized, it's usually harmful.

Remember: there has never been a business whose stated goal was environmental destruction. It's usually a feature of backwards, inefficient production.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:58 PM (5aX2M)

70 I (AB+) get bit by mosquitas but I get the impression they only bite me when they don't find anything better. Kind of like how my dating life went.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (ykYG2)

For the same reasons)

Posted by: henry at November 17, 2019 12:58 PM (J3Rfi)

71 I think that deep down even if Carson didn't know her work would amount to a quiet population-suppression on the Third World, she didn't care. And the worldwide NGOs which used her work did know, and were all for the biological culling. Just like the elitists who love to cite That One Chapter from "Freakonomics".

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:58 PM (ykYG2)

72 #TooFarLeft became a hashtag. The left have turned it into a sarcastic garbage tag. They might listen better if they lose elections for about 80 years ... but anything short of that and they will be impenetrably thick.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 17, 2019 12:58 PM (LxTcq)

73 Me to Rachel Carson: Keep on rockin' in the free world!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (NVYyb)

74 If being #TooFarRight means believing:

- I shouldn't have to subsidize others' risks
- Dimwitted bureaucrats have no idea how to define what a "healthy planet" is
- I shouldn't have to subsidize others' useless diplomas
- The minimum wage is always Zero
- Lives depend on gun ownership and proficiency
- Families of trespassers and lawbreakers belong in cages

... Count me IN!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (Ct55T)

75 Home, unpacked, kinda fed, tired and still have a burning hatred for anyone on the left. Malaria? Yeah lets give the left malaria . Works for me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (85Gof)

76 I (AB+) get bit by mosquitas but I get the impression they only bite me when they don't find anything better. Kind of like how my dating life went.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:55 PM (ykYG2)


I am AB+ too and I am rarely bitten by mosquitoes.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (aS1PU)

77 Most recycling, IIRC, isn't particularly cost or energy effective.

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There isn't a single self supporting all-items recycling facility anywhere in the United States. They generally receive millions in subsidies to save... Sand? Trees grown on tree farms?

I bet most city dwellers would be shocked to discover that rural folks aren't required to sort their garbage for a job creation program, too.

One can, one big ol' trash bag.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (0GvUH)

78 My main concern of recycling is can I get money from it, separating trash at say a shopping mall into paper/ plastic/ aluminum is pointless.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 12:59 PM (ZCEU2)

79 Lives depend on gun ownership and proficiency

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Yep. More city dweller thinking.

Those rural people who are throwing their coke can in with the Amazon box also know that it takes a sheriffs deputy 30 minutes to get to the house.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 01:01 PM (0GvUH)

80 Post-industrial recycling is almost always a good idea

Post-consumer recycling is ok for certain types of material (great for Al, HDPE/LDPE, paper/pulp in some cases, etc.)

Let the people doing the recycling worry about if it's cost effective or profitable. They are the ones shouldering the risk.

#KeepYourLawsOffMyTrashCan

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:02 PM (Ct55T)

81 At this race in Brazil, which is in high altitude the air temp is under 70 degrees but track they say is over 110 degrees. You wouldn't get that range here but would you in say Denver?

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (ZCEU2)

82 Open thread? Or are we sticking to evolution and recycling?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (NVYyb)

83 The wife was just reading a story to me this morning, that there's a company claiming a breakthrough in fighting malaria, using magnetic fields to filter malaria pathogens from the blood...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (oVJmc)

84 My main concern of recycling is can I get money from it,

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Mine used to be. Someone is free to pay me and come pick it up if they'd like. Otherwise I learned my lesson when I saved cans for a year, got a $40 return, and only had to replace a $170 tire on my truck from the visit to the metal facility.

Right in the trash now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (0GvUH)

85 About altermative mosquito control, this is an interview with a representative of Oxitec, a company that is involved with breeding and releasing sterile male mosquitoes to crash mosquito populations to reduce infections of malaria, dengue and zika.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/vnchbh7

Oxitec did a pilot project in Brazil that had lots of bad press about, everything from making "super skeeters" to increasing infection of Zika.

I am coming to the feeling that anything that reduces death and starvation in the developing world must be stomped out.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 01:03 PM (1glZx)

86 If we were smart we'd be separating garbage at the dump in order to mine it in the future.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 01:04 PM (0GvUH)

87 but is our reflexive hate for her justified?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic

I think she started a narrative that was critically important. She was without question a scientist first. The political aspect was secondary and in part a reaction to the industry's attacks on her work
I feel that the horde mind at times resorts to stuffing a personage into a box and playing wack a mole.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...drip drying at November 17, 2019 01:06 PM (JRHyo)

88 You can identify the types of recycling that make economic sense by the existence of a non-subsidized scrap value of said material. Aluminum, copper, iron, etc.

Posted by: irright at November 17, 2019 01:06 PM (RVcmP)

89 I feel that the horde mind at times resorts to stuffing a personage into a box and playing wack a mole.
Posted by: Sock Monkey...drip drying at November 17, 2019 01:06 PM (JRHyo)

More of a Barrel, really....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:07 PM (Ct55T)

90 We grow 'bitter melon' (Momordica charantia) on a trellis in the garden. The bitterness is from quinine.

Posted by: Obama the Dogeater at November 17, 2019 01:07 PM (Vy7tf)

91 I have a few hundred pounds of aluminum out back but when I took a truck load a few months ago was quite disappointed what I got. Really thought with the building going on it would be worth a high price.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:07 PM (ZCEU2)

92 It should also be pointed out that certain anti-Malarial medications can have really really nasty side effects.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 01:08 PM (HddOg)

93 You can identify the types of recycling that make economic sense by the existence of a non-subsidized scrap value of said material. Aluminum, copper, iron, etc.
Posted by: irright

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I use the hobo index to gauge economic sense of recycling specific materials.

If a hobo is picking them up out of the street - profit!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 01:08 PM (Y4EXg)

94 There isn't a single self supporting all-items recycling facility anywhere in the United States. They generally receive millions in subsidies to save... Sand? Trees grown on tree farms?

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Single stream is an idiotic make work program.

Beer and soda companies and glass products manufacturers already run massive recycling efforts (which include post-consumer buys) because it makes sense for them. They, in fact, subsidize it (at least for metal). Coors led the way on this.

When you see government bankrolling recycling efforts with tax proceeds, look for nightmares like plastic and paper recycling. They're just effluent factories that pollute shit and exist to provide fake jobs.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:08 PM (5aX2M)

95 Michael Bloomberg, preparing to jump in the race for president, apologized Sunday for the NYPDs aggressive stop and frisk of young minority men while he was mayor.

Bloomberg dropped the mea culpa during a speech in the Christian Cultural Center in Brooklyn, a church with a predominantly black congregation.

what a cunt. An on the knee cock sucking traiturious cunt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2019 01:09 PM (85Gof)

96 Los Angeles has a pretty good sports stadium recycling program....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:09 PM (Ct55T)

97 as I recall, the bad science of Carson (not completely wrong) was turned into a political cudgel. THAT is the real problem. It was an early version of global warming, government must be given total control or we are all going to DIE (in ten years).


The vast use of broadcast spraying did some harm to some species ... I think the pelican was affected. Moderation is the key, and using it in huts in Africa could (probably) have saved millions. Whether leftists intended to kill millions in Africa .. idk, but some would see that as a solution, not a problem. (this was in Population Bomb days, and other leftist hysteria, which is probably mostly engineered by the Soviet subversive infiltration)


WHO now uses some DDT, but as with most chemicals, resistance is developed if one chemical is used too often. Agriculture saw that with their Round-Up (glyphosate) use ... thinking it was engineered so well that "nature" would not figure it out.


For some traits like Bt crops (that will kill some grubs/worms, without needing to spray a more dangerous insecticide) they mix in some "refuge" ... so they produce enough non-resistant bugs to keep the early resistant bugs from breeding with each other. Science is pretty good, if we keep the commies out of it.


This is the Reason Mag article (2004) on DDT, they agree that DDT is not harmless and restrictions saved some raptors, but that the fear mongering left millions to die. They also say 500 million a year get malaria ... wow.

https://tinyurl.com/s8ddmw2

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2019 01:10 PM (Cus5s)

98 what a cunt. An on the knee cock sucking traiturious cunt
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2019 01:09 PM (85Gof)

ISTRC that so-called "stop and frisk" was fairly popular with most actual flesh and blood NYC black folk... lots of bad press, crooked polling, etc. made it seem more unpopular than it was.

Maybe i'm just wishcasting though.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:11 PM (Ct55T)

99 Trash will either be valuable enough to sort or it won't be. Price is an excellent proxy for environmental impact, such that if the nickel-per-bottle is only environmentally friendly if it can work unsubsidized.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 17, 2019 01:11 PM (LxTcq)

100 ISTRC that so-called "stop and frisk" was fairly popular with most actual flesh and blood NYC black folk... lots of bad press, crooked polling, etc. made it seem more unpopular than it was.

Maybe i'm just wishcasting though.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:11 PM (Ct55T)

Nope your 100% right. Normal law abiding NYers loved it. And it WORKED

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 17, 2019 01:12 PM (85Gof)

101 The malaria parasite jumped from gorillas to humans.

I blame Mike Obama.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 01:12 PM (Z+IKu)

102 An interesting fact is that America suffered significantly from Malaria and Yellow Fever before the turn of the century with many epidemics killing off a large segment of local populations - actually the turning point only came 1905 when the mosquito was finally identified as the culprit and serious efforts were made in New Orleans and other low lying cities to bring these pests under control.

My great great grandfathers' first wife died in New Orleans from Yellow Fever after another epidemic broke out in 1899 - she was only 6 years away from a solution.

Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 01:14 PM (32YRo)

103 Garbage People regulating Garbage Men.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:14 PM (Ct55T)

104 I'm late. I'm sure someone posted this.

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=ijVijP-CDVI

Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:15 PM (8/tIV)

105 Some links:
Iranians are demonstrating en masse with the regime reacting with greater violence than ever in its history, according to participants. THe economy is essentially crashing, due entirely to Trump, and the mullahs are pulling in combat-hardened shia militia troops from Lebanon and Iraq to counter the protestors. The internet has been shut down.


You knew all that, right? In between discussing how the former ambassador to the Ukraine didn't like how her bosses boss treated her, the press covered all this? Obama's legacy, being dismantled brick by fucking brick
https://tinyurl.com/wjlk4vn

It turns out Bloomberg is not just a dwarf, but an angry dwarf with sexial aggression problems. He hates pregnant women, unless they are "do-able", in which case he's ready to climb the tree. PDJT warned us the guy has personal issues, and it seems he does.


https://tinyurl.com/wosl48y

Sadly, Oberlin won one. They hoped to avoid paying their debt to the Gibson family until David Gibson died, and have accomplished their disgusting purpose.


https://tinyurl.com/sabxn4a

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:15 PM (NVYyb)

106 Nope your 100% right. Normal law abiding NYers loved it. And it WORKED

Pish.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The Bill of Rights is not a popularity contest.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 01:16 PM (gd9RK)

107 Africa's population growth outstrips the ability of its political systems to provide resources for stable healthy society. Malaria keeps that in check and also fetters societal development.

One would think Carson intended this result.

Posted by: torabora at November 17, 2019 01:16 PM (Y274z)

108 Scrap steel is going for $0.03/lb.

Same as in town.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 01:17 PM (DMUuz)

109 that pile of Carson's BS (Silent Spring) was on my college freshman reading list.

i shudder to think what they are indoctrinating kids with these days

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at November 17, 2019 01:17 PM (RKQ/v)

110 I like birds; they shouldn't be killed unnecessarily.

Also, humans are way more important. Fuck birds.

More importantly no bird would have gone extinct due to DDT, anyway.

This was a very, very expensive virtue signal.

But hey - the UN has stayed in the net business, right?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:18 PM (5aX2M)

111 You can search my person, houses and papers, but the HELL you leave my effects alone.

(nahnahnahnah-nahnah-nahNAAAH)

Posted by: Edgar Winter at November 17, 2019 01:19 PM (Ct55T)

112 The EPA banned methyl chloride because a handful of dummies asphixiated themselves refinishing tubs using the stuff.

The EPA is always on the lookout for things to take away from you....(pssst, g....u....n....s).

I loathe the SOB's.

Posted by: torabora at November 17, 2019 01:22 PM (Y274z)

113 Got on a click bait this morning on Iran, not as bad as it did get to the point on what it said it was. Funniest thing was at end the Tehran airport had a star of David built into the roof and wasn't discovered until Google maps showed it, and they quickly had to demolish that.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:22 PM (ZCEU2)

114 Yes, Iran getting sporty again - actually never stopped, but the current up-tick looks pretty good. The complete "news" blackout on it parallels that of the Iraqi festivities that involved substantial Iranian involvement [in the form of snipers murdering protesters and cops], another front where Iran's various idiotic projects of aggression and mayhem are foundering. Don't think there have been too many relaxed or happy staff meetings in Tehran for a loooong time.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 01:23 PM (QDnY+)

115 Screw those birds in particular.

Posted by: Wind farms. at November 17, 2019 01:23 PM (Vy7tf)

116 Another legacy of Nixon. I noticed that is never mentioned.

Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:24 PM (8/tIV)

117 Oh, I'm going through the thread again because I'm in a Mood.

Even at the time the EPA scientists rejected those claims.


Silent Spring published 1962. EPA founded 1970.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 01:25 PM (gd9RK)

118 mosquitoes are number two on my Infinity Gauntlet complete genocide list.
number one are ticks

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 01:25 PM (G546f)

119 I had this idea for nanobots that you unlease on a garbage dump. You pull up in a truck full of them and they would swarm all over the dump like ants, process it into tiny pieces, and separate it into piles of like materials. Once they are done they get back into the truck and you go on to the next dump.

You'd end up with big piles of pure plastics, metals,whatever. The little piles of gold would be mine of course.

Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 01:25 PM (Tnijr)

120 You know who else didn't like mosquitoes?
Sadaam Hussein.

And he's dead.

Posted by: torabora at November 17, 2019 01:26 PM (Y274z)

121 Today's garbage dumps would be the mines of the future.

Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 01:26 PM (Tnijr)

122 Here's another one - in the Rockies, we're heavily restricted on clear-cutting both on public and private lands, to protect migratory birds.

Thing is, most of the clear-cutting is on beetle-kill areas - IOW, trees that birds won't ever use. Meanwhile, the beetle plague spreads to the trees they will use, while wildfires are a constant threat to humans and other animals.

Because some bureaucrat in Arlington knows better than people who live and work here. And he gets paid by environmental lobbyists. And then other people get paid by him to build raptor habitats in dead forests that will burn soon anyway.

Yay.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:28 PM (5aX2M)

123 The theory is the planet is making new oil every day

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:29 PM (ZCEU2)

124 Maria Bartiromo: What exactly is debunked about 2016 interference, which is what Adam Schiff writes?"...

John Radcliff : "I think the IG report is going to validate chairman Nunes FISA memo that highlighted the abuses. Look, I can tell you this, I can't tell you what the exculpatory information is that relates to George Papadopoulos but there was some and I can tell you that it was not timely delivered to the FISA court during the ___cy of those FISA applications.
I promise you that the IG report is going to address that."

Maria Bartiromo: We think we know that because we have had George Papadopoulos and your former colleague Trey Gowdy basically saying there was an informant that went to Papadopoulos and said it's great that Russia has these emails - it's good for Trump. And George Papadopoulos answers and says, no it's not it's treason I would never do something like that.
And the guy was wired, it was an informant talking to him, and that transcript should be one of the pieces of evidence we're expecting in the IG report that you're referring to aren't you?"

John Radcliffe: I believe that will be addressed by the inspector general and that whether that was timely delivered to the FISA court and assuming all of that is true and we'll let the report speak for itself; then what you'll see is a shifting narrative saying well it doesn't make any difference. There are genuine questions about [crosstalk]
There are legitimate questions from those of us that have seen the classified documents about the origins of the 2016 investigation.
It's, I think, unraveling, and that's why they are rushing to impeach the president. ... It's a hoax.

Maria Bartiromo: Do you expect this vote to impeach Trump in December?

John Radcliffe: Yes
...
John Radcliffe : ...They want to get this done before information comes out that damages the Obama/Biden administration and their efforts to frame Donald Trump come out in the IG report or John Durham's criminal investigation into those very same issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23fGmHGF8R8

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 01:30 PM (WkaWu)

125 One of original organizers of EPA has said for years that the major missions were accomplished by the late 8Os. Fairly normal inertial problem of new agencies outliving their utility, but of course there's more to it in this case [pseudo-science religion substitute wedded to authoritarian impulses].



And "conservation" for hunters or fishermen is subject to same trade-offs and choices as every other human alteration of the planet [involved in almost every human action]. Dams and former wetlands can be vastly preferred, depending on the situation.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 01:30 PM (QDnY+)

126 I haven't, but I remember making construction paper presentations about how DDT was making eagles' egg shells thinner and keeping them from making eagle babies.


The American Bald Eagle really isn't an issue in Africa, Asia and the "Rain Forests" where the DDT would be applied to save lives.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 01:30 PM (lD3vL)

127 56 52 Rachel Carson didn't ban DDT. It was the same politicos that now believe in global warning.
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 12:46 PM (aS1PU)

Crazy pseudoscience nutters don't kill people.

Lawgivers who utilize crazy pseudoscience nutters to convince the masses kill people.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 12:51 PM (Ct55T)

Yup, Global Warmering MAY kill millions.

But it won't be due to heat, it will be due to the crash of the Worlds economy and food production because of the green new deal.

Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 01:31 PM (NgKpN)

128
Because some bureaucrat in Arlington knows better than people who live and work here. And he gets paid by environmental lobbyists. And then other people get paid by him to build raptor habitats in dead forests that will burn soon anyway.

Yay.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

This.


They are destroying the forests. It's very sad and stupid.

Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:31 PM (8/tIV)

129 119 I had this idea for nanobots that you unlease on a garbage dump. You pull up in a truck full of them and they would swarm all over the dump like ants, process it into tiny pieces, and separate it into piles of like materials. Once they are done they get back into the truck and you go on to the next dump

==

pretty sure I've read/seen several versions of this idea, all with the nanobots eventually dismantling everything and everyone

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 01:32 PM (G546f)

130 ---Because some bureaucrat in Arlington knows better than people who live and work here. And he gets paid by environmental lobbyists. And then other people get paid by him to build raptor habitats in dead forests that will burn soon anyway.

Yay.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:28 PM (5aX2M)


Trump needs help.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 01:32 PM (WkaWu)

131 "Africa's population growth outstrips the ability of its political systems to provide resources for stable healthy society. Malaria keeps that in check and also fetters societal development.

One would think Carson intended this result."
I presented at a biotech ethics class in college a few years ago when I was 50-ish and everyone else 22-ish. I proposed Africa couldn't stem childhood deaths without DDT. I was told by a young lady that it didn't matter because Africa had so many other problems that childhood mortality rates were a feature not a bug. I despaired; I still do.

Posted by: Grannysaurus Rex at November 17, 2019 01:33 PM (90LWK)

132 And "conservation" for hunters or fishermen is subject to same trade-offs and choices as every other human alteration of the planet [involved in almost every human action]. Dams and former wetlands can be vastly preferred, depending on the situation.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 01:30 PM (QDnY+)

Yeah, I keep seeing these 'articles' on Facey Book saying that its a HUGE problem that people can't get to Government owned land, that is surrounded by Private Land.

Uh, if its surrounded by Private Land, that means its probably productive, or could be. So why in the hell does the Government OWN it then.

Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 01:34 PM (NgKpN)

133 96 Los Angeles has a pretty good sports stadium recycling program....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2019 01:09 PM (Ct55T)


California recycles its governors.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 17, 2019 01:35 PM (PkFwF)

134 "pretty sure I've read/seen several versions of this idea, all with the nanobots eventually dismantling everything and everyone"

I thought of that. Each one has a tiny little red kill switch.

Posted by: freaked at November 17, 2019 01:35 PM (Tnijr)

135 I was told by a young lady that it didn't matter because Africa had so many other problems that childhood mortality rates were a feature not a bug. I despaired; I still do.

Posted by: Grannysaurus Rex at November 17, 2019 01:33 PM (90LWK)


Like Bloomberg said, Kill it.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 01:35 PM (WkaWu)

136 82 Open thread? Or are we sticking to evolution and recycling?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:0~~~
Hoping it's open:
I miss the weekend cavalcade of 'elbows'.

Posted by: socalcon at November 17, 2019 01:35 PM (Roy2Z)

137 It's way too peopley out there.

Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:37 PM (8/tIV)

138 I thought of that. Each one has a tiny little red kill switch.


I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Dave.

Posted by: HAL at November 17, 2019 01:37 PM (gd9RK)

139 The Ferraris crashed into each other and took each other out.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:37 PM (ZCEU2)

140 Welp, you can stop arguing cuz there's no such thing as Objective Reality:

https://www.sciencealert.com/new-quantum-physics-

experiment-questions-the-existence-of-objective-reality

(remove extra spaces)


That's right, Science has gone all trannie and such.

Scientific = Trans-Fictional

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 01:38 PM (9X624)

141 Absurd impeachment [hey! shout out to all you Dem freshmen in Trump districts! howz things looking for next fall??] vote won't do a thing to blunt or distract from actual IG findings or indictments. Even without a press, which is now incredibly a reasonable description of the country, info is seeping out and the Dems' absurd attacks only have traction with their dumb/ignorant/NPR-level base anyway.


Oh, and with a head-shaking number of pundits of the "center" or "right" [idiotic terms] - now up to 3, I think, of those who have referred to the entirely appropriate, proper, and legal interest of the president in investigating massive known Third World-style corruption involving Ukraine and an American vice president, and also likely Ukrainian involvement in the elaborate illegal coup-like machinations of the previous administration, as "unsavory" or the like.


Posted by: rhomboid at November 17, 2019 01:39 PM (QDnY+)

142 Sadly, Oberlin won one. They hoped to avoid paying their debt to the Gibson family until David Gibson died, and have accomplished their disgusting purpose.

https://tinyurl.com/sabxn4a
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:15 PM (NVYyb)


Oberlin still has to pay, though, even if it's to David Gibson's estate. They're not off the hook, are they?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (PkFwF)

143 Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (DMUuz)

144 They are destroying the forests. It's very sad and stupid.
Posted by: Infidel at November 17, 2019 01:31 PM (8/tIV)

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Grand County. Summit County. Eagle. Park. Lake. It's hundreds of thousands of acres of destruction, maybe millions, that could have been easily prevented

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (5aX2M)

145 Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.


It didn't start out that way.

Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:41 PM (gd9RK)

146 Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.

Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:42 PM (gd9RK)

147 146 Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.
Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:42 PM (gd9RK)

...

Posted by: Mars Needs Moms at November 17, 2019 01:43 PM (G546f)

148 Who would want to live on a red planet?

Posted by: Blue State residents at November 17, 2019 01:44 PM (DMUuz)

149 145
Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.




It didn't start out that way.

Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:41 PM (gd9RK)
==========
Yeah, who are we to dump all that scrap metal on Mars?!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:44 PM (NVYyb)

150 147 146 Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.
Posted by: Extinct Martians at November 17, 2019 01:42 PM (gd9RK

Oh, please. Triplets are a cake-walk.

Posted by: Triohootered Martian Chick at November 17, 2019 01:45 PM (Vy7tf)

151 You pull up in a truck full of them and they would swarm all over the
dump like ants, process it into tiny pieces, and separate it into piles
of like materials.


We had those, dammit. Two of them lived in my neighborhood.One of them was born in England!They ran exclusively on alcohol. Very efficient, in that way.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 01:46 PM (oRpiG)

152 Oberlin still has to pay, though, even if it's to David Gibson's estate. They're not off the hook, are they?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (PkFwF)

=============
Yes. They still have to pay and the Gibson family will still eventually get their money (unless something truly shocking happens on appeal down the road), though David Gibson will never know.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:46 PM (NVYyb)

153 CBD really you are again really off base on this one
DDT was banged for agricultural use for 2 main reasons
1 it really should not be used on food
2 Mosquitoes were becoming resistant to it
It has been and continues to be widely used as a vector control for mosquito born parasites
I would suggest a quick read of Wiki on that subject

Posted by: Kurt at November 17, 2019 01:47 PM (j/0/+)

154 so the dims string this out for another month and then , in magnanimous gesture, drops the inquiries

highlighting that they couldn't get any of the lawless GOP to join them in impeachment and removal

then they censure, in the most harshest terms, the President

this IS what will happen

the dims in the house are prickadors, not matadors

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 01:47 PM (rpxSz)

155 Falciparum

I keep misreading that as "facepalm."

Posted by: m at November 17, 2019 01:48 PM (ghFVE)

156 That was a exciting end of a race.
Now I have to go chop up the leaves I collected earlier.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:48 PM (ZCEU2)

157 When you make it to Mars, we'll be ready!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/male-sex-robots-could-see-20841272

Posted by: Robot Paolo at November 17, 2019 01:50 PM (DMUuz)

158 Iranians are burning banks, municipal buildings and any visible regime symbols. Statues of Khameini and other mullahs are coming down, even those of Mr. Bushy Eyebrows himself, Khomeini.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:50 PM (NVYyb)

159 Now I have to go chop up the leaves I collected earlier.
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:48 PM (ZCEU2)

go on craigslist and buy yourself a Cyclone rake

life changing experience

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 01:50 PM (rpxSz)

160 And it doesn't surprise me Kurt being the Leftist zhe is couldn't care about human deaths.
One death a tragedy, a million a statistic

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:50 PM (ZCEU2)

161 Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM



** shifty eyes **

Posted by: Elon Musk, future TGE of Mars at November 17, 2019 01:52 PM (786Ro)

162 Aw leave Kurt alone.
He's just like a porcupine. Pricks on the outside and a gooey ball of quivering shit on the inside.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 01:52 PM (Tt761)

163 That's right, Science has gone all trannie and such.


Been telling it for years. "Uncertainty" and "relativism" are not concepts from philosophy. They are from physics, going back over a century.

They scream and scream about the humanities majors, because their mothership has posited an insanity from which there is no return. Sure can grind those numbers, though. Their fake science has softened their minds, and hate is eating their guts out.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 01:52 PM (oRpiG)

164 143 Mars is the only planet known to be populated entirely by robots.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 01:40 PM (DMUuz)


I'd never thought about it that way, but yeah.

Posted by: Ex-ex at November 17, 2019 01:54 PM (RU4sa)

165 Radcliffe says the Dems are racing to get this impeachment before the IG and AG report come out.

There's going to be Obama/Bidens doo doo in when they come out.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 01:55 PM (WkaWu)

166 So pardon my ignorance, but does DDT in fact weaken eagles' eggs? Has this ever been demonstrated in any kind of even nominally blinded trial? Or is it a theory?

Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 01:56 PM (QE8X6)

167 For those who, like me, especially hate ticks, we can look forward to going to Mars. As long as I can take my dogs and hike, that is.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 01:56 PM (NVYyb)

168 But it won't be due to heat, it will be due to the crash of the Worlds economy and food production because of the green new deal.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 17, 2019 01:31 PM (NgKpN)

Yup......kinda like The Omen II in reverse.

No need to grow the food and control it, just don't grow the food in the first place.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 01:56 PM (Z+IKu)

169 Another thing the feds do to hurt our forests is prohibiting use of beetle-kill for construction lumber.

The beetles don't destroy the wood, just the bark. Standing dead pine is often the strongest stuff, and being killed by beetles doesn't change that. But nope - pine that shows blue is prohibited from structural use - decorative only.

So you can only sell it for fuelwood or interior siding (at a much lower price).

And in the parks, fuelwood cutting is by permit only, so most guys opt for private land, without the steep price.

It's almost deliberately bad forest management.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 01:57 PM (5aX2M)

170 162 Aw leave Kurt alone.
He's just like a porcupine. Pricks on the outside and a gooey ball of quivering shit on the inside.
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 01:52 PM (Tt761)

If so, I have already outlined my protocol for porcupines in yesterday's camping thread.

gassing the Foreman, mixing the GNT and sharpening the pitchfork as I type

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 01:57 PM (rpxSz)

171 I don't think Carlson's intent was to save the skeeters and I certainly think stopping malaria in malaria places is a good idea, but is our reflexive hate for her justified?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Absolutely. She was in the vanguard of that now-endless stream of scare-mongers that would have us give up the benefits of modern technology for the "good of Gaia".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 01:58 PM (/sgva)

172 I think the troll believes Wikipedia.

"Don't worry son, we will change it when we get home"

--Homer Simpson

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 01:59 PM (1glZx)

173 So pardon my ignorance, but does DDT in fact weaken eagles' eggs? Has this ever been demonstrated in any kind of even nominally blinded trial? Or is it a theory?
Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 01:56 PM (QE8X6)



Complete baloney from a study I read back in the 1990's.

So, the craptastic nature of Rachael Carson's "Science" has been known for a long time.

A lot like Margaret Mead's unscientific bullshit, the left pretends it's still relevant and true.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 01:59 PM (9X624)

174 One of our maintenance test pilots in the .mil was a "bug guy" in a former life, and we somehow got on the subject of DDT many years ago. Anecdotally of course, but he was very insistent that the DDT/Eagle thing was complete BS. Sharp guy and great pilot, I don't know that he was correct but I never forgot that, it is controversial.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:00 PM (HddOg)

175 Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 01:59 PM (9X624)

OK thanks. I've heard it many times, of course, but did not know if there was any empirical evidence for it.

Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 02:00 PM (QE8X6)

176 170
I missed that yesterday REDACTED.
I think Kurt is too greasy to use as anything but bait for coyotes. Or, mosquitoes. That'd be an experiment to try.
How long does it take for mosquitoes who bite Kurt to commit suicide by emesis?

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 02:01 PM (Tt761)

177 156 That was a exciting end of a race.
Now I have to go chop up the leaves I collected earlier.
Posted by: Skip



Honda almost swept the podium. Still might if Hamilton gets penalized.

Posted by: Puddleglum, a new Soviet Virginian at November 17, 2019 02:01 PM (/90cp)

178 Rachel deserves +2 then

Posted by: Thubten at November 17, 2019 02:01 PM (p+O/q)

179 I don't think Carlson's intent was to save the skeeters and I certainly think stopping malaria in malaria places is a good idea, but is our reflexive hate for her justified?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:22 PM (gd9RK)

Ummmmmmmmmm......Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 02:02 PM (Z+IKu)

180 Conservation is conservative. The hint is in the name.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 12:45 PM (gd9RK)

Conservationism =/= Environmentalism.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 02:02 PM (/sgva)

181 How long does it take for mosquitoes who bite Kurt to commit suicide by emesis?
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 02:01 PM (Tt761)

as long as it takes Katie to agree to some type of sex

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 02:05 PM (rpxSz)

182 This seems festive . . .

Posted by: Peaches at November 17, 2019 02:05 PM (14URa)

183
Radcliffe says the Dems are racing to get this impeachment before the IG and AG report come out.


Why the rush? Obviously Barr and Horowitz are accommodating the Democrats' fake impeachment-coup schedule.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:06 PM (/BcCO)

184 Bandersnatch, I am not judged by my intentions, but by my acts and their results.

Carson meant well, and lots of misery and suffering has resulted from what she wrote.
Her book starts off about no longer hearing the songs of the robins in the Spring, so this was not a strictly scientific study, but a popularization of science, and one that was pretty much wrong.

So since I am judged by what results my actions cause, I figure Carson should be too.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 02:09 PM (1glZx)

185 we need a concerted campaign to get Chris "the cocksucker" Wallace fired

His hatred of Trump disqualifies him as a person

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 02:09 PM (rpxSz)

186

Just saw an ad for the movie Richard Jewell. Looks powerful.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:09 PM (/BcCO)

187 Radcliffe says the Dems are racing to get this impeachment before the IG and AG report come out.



Why the rush? Obviously Barr and Horowitz are accommodating the Democrats' fake impeachment-coup schedule.


Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:06 PM (/BcCO)

=========
Really. Take your time Democrats. Horowitz is.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 02:10 PM (NVYyb)

188 Green on the outside. Red on the inside. Watermelons.

"Environmentalism" is too often just marxism by proxy.

The Sierra Club was all-in on Nuclear power at one time, as a solution to the big hydroelectric projects then in vogue.

They were also decidedly against illegal mass migration. Their big donors put an end to that. Think about it, though. An "extra" 20 or 30 million people soaking up resources and polluting, placing unprecedented demands on roads, water resources, electricity demand, how can an "environmental" organizations NOT be decidedly against illegal aliens?

I visited an out of the way rural county park in Utah in recent years, a cute spot and nice place for a rest. Stopped there for many years. The last time I was there it looked like an Army had gone through. Tons of garbage, clothes, trash, etc. In a way, it had. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:11 PM (HddOg)

189 So since I am judged by what results my actions cause, I figure Carson should be too.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 02:09 PM (1glZx)

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Yup. And her gay little cause killed millions. She deserves to be excoriated.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:12 PM (5aX2M)

190 Why did that stop? Washing bottles is environmentally efficient.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 12:56 PM (gd9RK)

You have to look at the entire cycle. Transport and sorting of the empty bottles uses energy, and costs money. They have to be warehoused someplace until enough accumulate to justify a trip to the bottling plant. Then the bottles not only have to be washed, but also sterilized, which means very hot water, or chemicals, or both. And the now-clean bottles have to be inspected to ensure there is no foreign matter in there that escaped the wash cycle. A folded-over soda straw, or bent bottle cap can be jammed into a beer bottle, and will not wash out. Also, mice often find their way into beer bottles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 02:12 PM (/sgva)

191
Is this interesting?

Leftist cocksucker Aaron Sorkin has a movie coming out October 2020 about 7 people on trial for their role in the "uprising" at the '68 Dem convention in Chicago.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:15 PM (/BcCO)

192 Also, mice often find their way into beer bottles.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 02:12 PM (/sgva)

1-liter coca cola bottles are recycled in the Philippines. The life cycle:

New. Contains Coca-Cola.
Midlife. Contains gasoline and pre-mix for motorcycles sold at the roadside.
Recycled. Contains Coca-Cola with some benzene compounds.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 02:16 PM (Vy7tf)

193 Glass recycling makes sense in situ. Divert the slag (along with suitable post-consumer products) and melt it back down.

The profit is lost in single stream recycling, though.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (5aX2M)

194 Bander, I agree. The bald eagle was headed for extinction before we outlawed DDT. Now they're everywhere. I can't help but believe, though, that we went too far. The explosion we now see in harmful insects may be a result.

Posted by: creeper at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (fE1wp)

195 Iran shut the internet off to 95% of the country.

Over 20 reported dead.

And Twitter still allows the supreme leader to tweet.


Yet they ban American citizens for wrong think.

Jack is a criminal.

Posted by: Ha at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (O8Zsn)

196

Quick, give Iran nukes and cash!

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (/BcCO)

197 TRASH TALK?

We know people living in Switzerland which operates on a Pay-As-You-Pollute system. Discarded furniture is collected 1x weekly. Cardboard and paper 1x monthly. Regular trash* 2x monthly. Glass bottles and aluminum cans separated from regular trash are NOT collected curbside at all; however, these recyclables can be deposited into neighborhood municipal collection bins (also at shopping malls). Most people use mass transit, so workers deposit cans and bottles on their way to bus and train stations (or children on their way to school).

*Residents are free to include aluminum and glass in with their regular trash; however, their regular trash won't be hauled away unless it is placed in "official" bin bags (the typical 13-gallon kitchen size cost 25-cents each, IIRC). Residents are also subject to stiff fines if they place trash out for collection which is NOT contained in an official bag.

Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 02:18 PM (q7uEm)

198 Oooh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing. Well I say, hard cheese.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 02:19 PM (yQpMk)

199 Complete baloney from a study I read back in the 1990's.

So, the craptastic nature of Rachael Carson's "Science" has been known for a long time.

A lot like Margaret Mead's unscientific bullshit, the left pretends it's still relevant and true.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 01:59 PM (9X624)

--

Listen to the left continue to insist the earth has 11 years left before we're past the point of no return.

That number is taken from a paper they never cite. It was written in 1989.

AP News:

https://tinyurl.com/yy7xqhux

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:19 PM (Hl0hh)

200 The last time I was there it looked like an Army had gone through. Tons of garbage, clothes, trash, etc. In a way, it had. Unbelievable.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:11 PM (HddOg)

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Hippies. It's always the bands of hippies. They want to be all "one with the earth" and then leave the forest rangers and other campers to clean up their heaps of refuse.

I used to have a campsite I'd clean as a public service each year. After the hippies found it, I had to recruit help because a pickup or two couldn't handle it. They're filthy motherfuckers.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:22 PM (5aX2M)

201 Spend some more time in the water, hoo-mon, and we'll see about that.
Posted by: Sharks at November 17, 2019 12:21 PM

Yeah...blow me.

Posted by: A seal at November 17, 2019 02:22 PM (rBtIz)

202 Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 02:18 PM (q7



That's when I'd start dumping that shit in the streets.

Posted by: Ha at November 17, 2019 02:24 PM (O8Zsn)

203 Rinsing out the Arugula container and separating the plastics, paper etc into 4 or 5 different curbside containers may make people "feel" good, but it is a huge waste of resources and carbon footprint, for that matter.

A good test of whether something is "recyclable" - if you leave it outside, someone will steal it. If not, not. Guaranteed, if it's worth recycling, someone will be more than happy to pick it up from you. For free.

Our city just jacked us up, and outsourced "recycling" to a private company. The charge is added to the fee whether you choose to recycle or not.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:24 PM (HddOg)

204 55 I make this point to city-dwelling lefties all the time... want to save America's wild lands? Go to the hunters. Want to preserve forestry? Go to the lumberjacks. Want to preserve the fish? Go to the fishermen. These are the people doing the work.

Want to fuck it all up?

Go to Greenpeace and the DC regulators. They're the people doing the work.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:50 PM (5aX2M)


Pish posh. Prior to my departure from ZuckerBook, I was assured by one of many, many snide-quips-as-PNGs that, "Hunting for conservation is like fucking for virginity."

Quoth Olsen Johnson, "Now, who can argue with that?"

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 17, 2019 02:25 PM (DTX3h)

205 I'm still trying to figure out why Native Americans are heroes to the Progressives. Native Americans hunted a number of species to extinction, long before the Spaniards showed up. Native Americans would have cared about extinction of the Delta Smelt and other current "endangered species" as much as they did for the lives of members of enemy tribes: zero.

Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2019 02:25 PM (AMIL/)

206
A good test of whether something is "recyclable" - if you leave it outside, someone will steal it. If not, not. Guaranteed, if it's worth recycling, someone will be more than happy to pick it up from you. For free.

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That part right there.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:25 PM (Hl0hh)

207 I'm still trying to figure out why Native Americans
are heroes to the Progressives. Native Americans hunted a number of
species to extinction, long before the Spaniards showed up. Native
Americans would have cared about extinction of the Delta Smelt and other
current "endangered species" as much as they did for the lives of
members of enemy tribes: zero.
Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2019 02:25 PM (AMIL/)


They were at one with the Earth and regularly held slaves.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 02:26 PM (1glZx)

208 >>194 Bander, I agree. The bald eagle was headed for extinction before we outlawed DDT. Now they're everywhere. I can't help but believe, though, that we went too far. The explosion we now see in harmful insects may be a result.
Posted by: creeper at November 17, 2019 02:17 PM (fE1wp)

Correlation is not causation. Are there other potential explanations for the return of the eagles? (About which I am very happy, by the way.)

Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 02:26 PM (QE8X6)

209 "Hunting for conservation is like fucking for virginity."

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Why do you hicks need to kill animals for food when there are thousands of pounds of beef, chicken, fish, and many other types waiting for you in clean white styrofoam packaging in your local grocery stores?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (Hl0hh)

210 I'm still trying to figure out why Native Americans are heroes to the Progressives.

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They hated honkies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (+y/Ru)

211 Hippies. It's always the bands of hippies. They want to be all "one with the earth" and then leave the forest rangers and other campers to clean up their heaps of refuse.

Hordes of illegal aliens. Not Hippies. Thousands and thousands. It was really sobering. Because I knew then, our government, was .... the problem. This was 20 years ago probably.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (HddOg)

212 That's when I'd start dumping that shit in the streets.
Posted by: Ha at November 17, 2019 02:24 PM (O8Zsn

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Yeah, that kind of scheme might work for Germans, but never on Americans. If pressured to do so, we'd dispose of it on the way to work, but not in a can.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (5aX2M)

213 Silent Rachel Carson.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 02:28 PM (RuIsu)

214 190 A folded-over soda straw, or bent bottle cap can be jammed into a beer bottle, and will not wash out. Also, mice often find their way into beer bottles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 02:12 PM (/sgva)


Don't we know it, eh?

Posted by: Bob & Doug M. at November 17, 2019 02:29 PM (DTX3h)

215 Hordes of illegal aliens.

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It's always a revelation when someone who doesn't live where illegals are a problem visits the restroom of a place where they are.

Major metropolitan areas and soiled toilet paper is thrown on the floor next to the toilet.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:29 PM (Hl0hh)

216
Why do you hicks need to kill animals for food when there are thousands of pounds of beef, chicken, fish, and many other types waiting for you in clean white styrofoam packaging in your local grocery stores?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (Hl0hh)



Funny, you win noodles and snow peas.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 17, 2019 02:29 PM (WkaWu)

217 Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:27 PM (HddOg)

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Not sure where you are.

We have hordes of illegals in CO, but they stick to Denver.

It's Johnny Dredlocks who trashes up the forest, here.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:30 PM (5aX2M)

218
Correlation is not causation. Are there other potential explanations for the return of the eagles? (About which I am very happy, by the way.)
Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 02:26 PM (QE8X6


DDT must have killed off deer, wild turkey and otter as well 'cause we sure have a shit-pot full of them now in N. Indiana.

Coincidentally, there were serious conservation efforts put into place in the 60's in order to protect the Bald Eagle. Wonder if that had anything to do with Eagle numbers today? (puts finger in chin and assumes thinking posture)

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 02:31 PM (Vy7tf)

219 Spicy beef over chow mein noodles isn't a bad idea. Hmm...

(digs through freezer)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:31 PM (Hl0hh)

220 The Canada Geese re-population effort has been wildly successful.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:32 PM (Hl0hh)

221 >>Wonder if that had anything to do with Eagle numbers today? (puts finger in chin and assumes thinking posture)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 02:31 PM (Vy7tf)

Hmmm....lemme think...

Posted by: Caliban at November 17, 2019 02:32 PM (QE8X6)

222 >>>[206] A good test of whether something is "recyclable" - if you leave it outside, someone will steal it. If not, not. Guaranteed, if it's worth recycling, someone will be more than happy to pick it up from you. For free.

HaHa ... Years ago, we placed an old refrigerator at the curb with a "Free to Good Home" sign on it. It sat there for 2 weeks until we attached a new sign -- $75 or best offer -- and it was gone within 24 hours!

Posted by: Kathy at November 17, 2019 02:33 PM (q7uEm)

223 have a few hundred pounds of aluminum out back but when I took a truck load a few months ago was quite disappointed what I got. Really thought with the building going on it would be worth a high price.
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 01:07 PM (ZCEU2


Yep. A few months ago, I took over 400# of old sheet aluminum... security grills demoed from a CVS pharmacy...and they only wanted to give me 32 bucks for it. Hell, it cost me almost a hundred bucks just to haul it to the scrap yard. Eight cents a pound.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at November 17, 2019 02:34 PM (wamYg)

224 Nood Turkey.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Dhht7)

225 Nood Turkey Day.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Hl0hh)

226 i just viewed a series of videos by david west on starting fire using every day objects, including used aluminum cans, water bottles, scraps of cotton (!), as well as bow drills and flints. fascinating and well worth viewing in case you're going camping.

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Pg+x7)

227 @220

The green goose shit minefield I must often traverse to check my mail is certainly evidence of that.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 17, 2019 02:36 PM (DTX3h)

228 ... "david west youtube channel".

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:36 PM (Pg+x7)

229

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Not sure where you are.

We have hordes of illegals in CO, but they stick to Denver.

It's Johnny Dredlocks who trashes up the forest, here.
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Not where I am. This was in Utah. I am familiar with Hippies and their telltale signs and habits. This place was a formerly pristine roadside park, a natural oasis of sorts in an extremely arid place. It was clearly used by illegal aliens, a major thorougfare for same, apparently. Lots and lots of illegal aliens. Generally speaking the natives (Americans) aren't too tidy either. But it was sobering to realize the sheer scope of the problem. The detritus was like a hurricane went through.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:36 PM (HddOg)

230 i just viewed a series of videos by david west on starting fire using every day objects, including used aluminum cans, water bottles, scraps of cotton (!), as well as bow drills and flints. fascinating and well worth viewing in case you're going camping.

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:35 PM (Pg+x7)

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Assuming you've got a lighter, cotton packed in vaseline and transported in a medicine bottle is an outstanding firestarter.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:37 PM (Hl0hh)

231 I don't know if it's true these days, but when I was a kid, the key was whatever they wanted in China. For instance, they were desperate for copper, before they started laying fiber, and it drove copper up everywhere. My contractor buddy made good side money for a couple years by stripping and scrapping wire from job sites.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 02:38 PM (5aX2M)

232 Canada Geese aka "Sky Carp"

Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 02:38 PM (HddOg)

233 Radcliffe says the Dems are racing to get this impeachment before the IG and AG report come out.


Why the rush? Obviously Barr and Horowitz are accommodating the Democrats' fake impeachment-coup schedule.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 02:06 PM (/BcCO)



Is there anything really new in the last three years?

With FarkASS statement about her (DoD) and all her buddies on the Hill trying to scavenge up as data as they could before the transition pretty much blew the conspiracy indicating involvement of DoJ-FBI, DoS, IC, and DoD. Which guaranteed it went all the way to the WH (with UN Rep falling under DoS and WH).

What is really new? Other than public statements by everyone and their cousin General Kickass admitting that Deep State is pretty much a real thing...

Why can't they roll up all of them for false statements? I guess there is some obscure legal reason that nobody can do anything with anybody while an IG investigation is going on and then not until every aspect is known otherwise the you lose the good stuff (like you cannot charge a bank robber with speeding because you waive the robbery charge).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 17, 2019 02:39 PM (1g7ch)

234 Greetings:

Been there. Had that.

And a little vivax too.

Posted by: 11B40 at November 17, 2019 02:40 PM (evgyj)

235 The journey of J. Gordon Edwards, professor of entomology at San Jose State University California, from admiring Rachel Carson to realizing she was a fraud.

"As I read the first several chapters, I noticed many statements that I realized were false; however, one can overlook such things when they are produced by one's cohorts, and I did just that. ... Rachel Carson was really playing loose with the facts and deliberately wording many sentences in such a way as to make them imply certain things without actually saying them. ... When leading scientists began to publish harsh criticisms on her methods and allegations; it slowly dawned on me that Rachel Carson was not interested in the truth about these topics, and that I really was being duped, along with millions of other Americans."

Publications of J. Gordon Edwards
"DDT Effects on Bird Abundance and Reproduction." 1985. Rational Readings on Environmental Concerns. pg 195-216.
"The Lies of Rachel Carson." 1992. 21st Century, summer. pg 41-51.
"Malaria: The Killer That Could Have Been Conquered. 1993. 21st Century, summer. pg 21-35.


Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 02:40 PM (UQbq+)

236 here's the cotton roll:

lay out a strip of cotton cloth, sprinkle with ashes (very important), roll tightly into a cylinder, then roll quickly between two flat boards - the friction will create an ember in the roll which can be used to ignite a fire in dry tinder.

amazing.

Posted by: mjc at November 17, 2019 02:41 PM (Pg+x7)

237 Coincidentally, there were serious conservation efforts put into place in the 60's in order to protect the Bald Eagle. Wonder if that had anything to do with Eagle numbers today? (puts finger in chin and assumes thinking posture)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at November 17, 2019 02:31 PM (Vy7tf)

Yup.....plus who says "their" numbers about how many of this or that are still out and about in the wild is correct?

No one checks on their made up numbers because they can't.

They make up numbers and scream something is going extinct when it's all BS and Feels so they can get......money.

Posted by: The Polar Bear at November 17, 2019 02:42 PM (Z+IKu)

238 here's the cotton roll:

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That's clever. I'll try that next time we're camping.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 02:43 PM (Hl0hh)

239 My Springer treed an eagle a few years ago. She was not current on existing conservation laws

Posted by: Regular Joe at November 17, 2019 02:45 PM (6/uwW)

240 Nets for the children of Africa.
Mosquito nets, that's what we need.

Posted by: #42 at November 17, 2019 02:49 PM (WkaWu)

241 http://bit.ly/2pv9YjQ
******
PISS wallace again

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 17, 2019 02:51 PM (BqBId)

242 Of course AlGore in his book Earth in the Balance just loves Rachel Carson...

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 02:53 PM (UQbq+)

243 I feel that the horde mind at times resorts to stuffing a personage into a box and playing wack a mole.

"Paging Katie Hill........"

"And you too, Mashie or Mooshy, or whatever the fook your name is......."

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 02:59 PM (arJlL)

244 And you too, Mashie or Mooshy, or whatever the fook your name is......."
Posted by: JT
Bite me Jussy Twit

Posted by: Sock Monkey...drip drying at November 17, 2019 04:51 PM (JRHyo)

245 Does the article seem incomplete?

Posted by: Jean at November 17, 2019 06:58 PM (TT5JW)

246 Spot on about Rachel Carson. One of the most prolific mass murderers to ever cast a shadow. And she did it with a typewriter. I can only imagine the pain felt by the parents of the millions of young children who died from a disease that could/should have been prevented.

Posted by: TR at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (6wOsm)

Sunday Morning Book Thread 11-17-2019

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Biblioteca Vasconcelos, Mexico City, Mexico

Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, crétins sans pantalon (who are technically breaking the rules), conspiracy theorists, unindicted co-conspirators and unimpeachable quid-pro-quoers. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, witty repartee, hilarious bon mots, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, spending way too much money on books, writing books, and publishing books by escaped oafs and oafettes who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, for which I thank my lucky stars that they're more of a turquoise color, and not lime green, or burnt orange.



Pic Note:

Yeah, I know this one is not going to be to everyone's taste, and I generally don't like the aesthetics of modern libraries, but I kind of like this one. I had to laugh at its construction history, though:

Then President of Mexico Vicente Fox inaugurated the library on 16 May 2006, and stated that this was one of the most advanced constructions of the 21st century, and that it would be spoken of throughout the world. This inauguration took place a week before the deadline the president had to promote his accomplishments before the 2006 presidential election.

The library had to close in March 2007 due to construction defects...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Stop laughing, you racists!

The Superior Auditor of the Federation detected 36 construction irregularities and issued 13 motions of responsibility for public servants of the federal government. Among the irregularities found was the misplacement of marble blocks at a cost of 15 million pesos (roughly 1.4 million dollars).

During Calderón's administration, efforts to restore it continued with a further investment of 32 million pesos (roughly US$3 million).

It was reopened to the public in November 2008 after 22 months.

So, from this account, the library was built broken and then had to be fixed. And you have to wonder how many pesos went to graft, kickbacks, or simply disappeared into the pockets of the well-connected.


It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®




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On Writing

An 'ette author asked me to share this with you:

A thank-you to the Ace of Spades book thread
by Libby Sternberg

Whenever my books are mentioned on the Ace of Spades weekly book thread, I can count on seeing sales spike. This confirms something I've long believed: conservatives want to support conservative writers. Not just nonfiction authors writing about topics conservatives are interested in, but fiction writers like myself writing mystery, romance, women's fiction, historical fiction and more.

We're not all Ayn Rands, penning allegorical tales with libertarian lessons, but you might sometimes catch a whiff of conservative/libertarian sentiment floating on the breeze or in the background.

Selling books is hard. Even for big, so-called traditional publishers, it's challenging to reach readers willing to shell out bucks and take a chance on a story. The book industry, unlike other parts of the entertainment industry, never seemed to latch on to paid advertising, for example, and seems to rely mostly on earned media and word-of-mouth recommendations to move books.

For small, independent presses and indie writers, selling books is even harder. We don't have the clout of big publishers to get reviews.

So when a site like Ace of Spades devotes even a small bit of their cyber real estate to our offerings, it makes a huge difference.

My only comment is something I believe we would all agree with: the necessity of books by conservative authors must not be allowed to deteriorate into some sort of mirror-image 'woke' thing and purity enforcement where all the right boxes have to be checked in order for a book to be accepted. This is what the left does, and we don't want any sort of rigidly enforced ideological requirements, we just want good, well-written stories that thrill you, chill you, make you think, make you wonder, kick your ass, transport you to new worlds, or some combination thereof. And don't worry about having to be explicitly conservative, because readers want a story, not a lecture. If you're conservative, it will show up in your story somewhere, perhaps even in some ways you can't anticipate. Because that's just who you are, and you can't hide it.

What the progressives are doing to themselves is self-destructive. Because it's hard to write a story if you're forced to lard it up with someone else's ideology in order to get published. The stories will be crap. Progressives ruin everything, including art. My favorite anecdote on this topic is one I heard from a friend of mind who studied for a year in the Soviet Union during the Cold War. While he was there, he liked to visit the Hermitage Museum which has tons of fine art, which is divided into pre-Revolutionary and post-Revolutionary sections. He was amused when he noticed that the pre-Revolutionary wing was usually packed with visitors, but the sections that contained all of the art produced after the Revolution never seemed to have many people in it. In other words, the commies pretty much destroyed Russian art and the only works they could produce was junk that nobody wanted.

I'm all for supporting conservative authors, and I try to do my share of that, but I'm hoping this is a temporary thing based on the current social climate. Ultimately, people should be buying books not because they're conservative, but because they're just great stories.

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And speaking of recommendations:

You think YOU had a killer workday. . .

Get ready for the FASTEST thriller of the summer!

Each morning in his 45th floor executive office, David Elliot savors the quiet moments until the workday begins.

Until today, when his boss walks in and aims a gun at him.

For the rest of the day, he will be trapped in his midtown office building, and everyone David Elliot meets will try to kill him.

He has 24 hours to find out why. . .

In Vertical Run, you can escape into a world on fast forward, a drama that plays out with electrifying intensity. No one who reads this book will ever see the office the same way again.

Strong words. You can pony up $7.99 for Vertical Run and find out if they're true.



Who Dis:

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Last Sunday's 'Who Dis' was Dame Judi Dench



Moron Recommendations

In response to last week's progressive book recommendation, Kindltot commented:

78 OM, I would think the progressive book most likely appreciated by the horde would be The Progressive Era, by Murray Rothbard.

Not a Progressive book, mind you, but a book about Progressivism

Posted by: Kindltot at November 10, 2019 09:36 AM (1glZx)

From the author's forward:

Progressivism brought the triumph of institutionalized racism, the disfranchising of blacks in the South, the cutting off of immigration, the building up of trade unions by the federal government into a tripartite of big government, big business, big union alliance, the glorifying of military virtues and conscription, and a drive for American expansion abroad. In short, the Progressive era ushered the modern American politico-economic system into being.

Amazon has this book on Kindle for 3.95, but the free-market site Mises.org has it in a number of formats, including an audiobook version, available for free here. Published posthumously, this meaty tome weighs in at 600+ pages.

It might be interesting to compare this book with the one by Richard Hofstadter discussed last week. Because it appears that both authors are looking at the same history and arriving at very, very different conclusions.

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173 Another excellent book, written by someone who was not only a "progressive" but an out-and-out Marxist when he wrote it is "Roll, Jordan, Roll: The World the Slaves Made" by Eugene Genovese. It's based on the recollections of elderly blacks who had been slaves and were interviewed in the 1930's. The book examines the way slaves were able to create meaning and dignity for themselves while living under an unjust system. Although Genovese sympathies are clearly with the slaves, he exhibited compassion for the white slaveonwers as well, giving a much more nuanced viewpoint than is currently the fashion.

That sort of nuance and compassion might be why Genovese eventually moved to the right - ALL the way to the right. He and his wife even converted to Catholicism. Genovese, born in Brooklyn, had a great deal of respect for Southern manners and values, whether they were exhibited by whites or blacks. "Roll Jordan Roll" was published, I believe, in 1970. There would be no room for him in academia today.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at November 10, 2019 10:21 AM (d6Ksn)

Thought this one might be OOP -- and I think it is, but e-versions are available. Here is the Amazon blurb:

This landmark history of slavery in the South—a winner of the Bancroft Prize—challenged conventional views of slaves by illuminating the many forms of resistance to dehumanization that developed in slave society.

Rather than emphasizing the cruelty and degradation of slavery, historian Eugene Genovese investigates the ways that slaves forced their owners to acknowledge their humanity through culture, music, and religion. Not merely passive victims, the slaves in this account actively engaged with the paternalism of slaveholding culture in ways that supported their self-respect and aspirations for freedom. Roll, Jordan, Roll covers a vast range of subjects, from slave weddings and funerals, to the language, food, clothing, and labor of slaves, and places particular emphasis on religion as both a major battleground for psychological control and a paradoxical source of spiritual strength. Displaying keen insight into the minds of both slaves and slaveholders, Roll, Jordan, Roll is a testament to the power of the human spirit under conditions of extreme oppression.

The Kindle version of Roll, Jordan, Roll: The World the Slaves Made is available for $12.99. Also used hardbacks starting at about $10.

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29 I read an excellent book, The Only Plane in the Sky: An Oral History of 9/11 by Garrett M. Graff. In his author's note Graff writes "... this book intends to capture how Americans lived that day how the attacks in New York City, at the Pentagon, and in the skies over Somerset County, Pennsylvania, rippled across lives from coast to coast..." Gleaned from over 5000 oral histories taken from 9/11/2001 to the spring of 2019, Graff wrote an engrossing, informative account of that day. I found this book hard to put down.

Posted by: Zoltan at November 03, 2019 09:08 AM (MikIT)

I can't imagine what it must be like to be, say, one of the airline ticket agents who checked in Mohamed Atta or Marwan al-Shehhi and then finding out later who he was. It's not really your fault, but still... There was some discussion on Friday's rant thread about brooding and not being able to let things ago, and this is something I don't think I'd be able to stop thinking about for a long time.

Drawing on never-before-published transcripts, recently declassified documents, original interviews, and oral histories from nearly five hundred government officials, first responders, witnesses, survivors, friends, and family members, Graff paints the most vivid and human portrait of the September 11 attacks yet.

Beginning in the predawn hours of airports in the Northeast, we meet the ticket agents who unknowingly usher terrorists onto their flights, and the flight attendants inside the hijacked planes. In New York City, first responders confront a scene of unimaginable horror at the Twin Towers. From a secret bunker underneath the White House, officials watch for incoming planes on radar. Aboard the small number of unarmed fighter jets in the air, pilots make a pact to fly into a hijacked airliner if necessary to bring it down. In the skies above Pennsylvania, civilians aboard United Flight 93 make the ultimate sacrifice in their place. Then, as the day moves forward and flights are grounded nationwide, Air Force One circles the country alone, its passengers isolated and afraid.

The Kindle edition of The Only Plane in the Sky: An Oral History of 9/11 by Garrett Graff goes for $14.99.

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Books By Morons

Moron Daniel Humphreys, author of the post-apocalyptic zombie series Z-Day, has just published a new release in that series, a short story collection entitled Places Beyond the Wild: A Post-Apocalyptic Zombie Anthology. Dan tells me it's a bit different than your standard short story collection:

Rather than providing a simple writing prompt and presenting unrelated stories on a common theme, I worked closely with each submitter to align their story with existing canon and even expand it in some ways. I then wrote the first and last novellas to bookend the rest. The storyline takes the reader on a journey through the existing timeline, starting shortly after the opening chapters of A Place Outside the Wild and concluding several years after the end of A Place for War to show where the universe is headed in the future.

There are some great entries, including a mind-bending one by fellow member of the horde Hans Schantz. Z-Day as it stands wouldn't be nearly so successful as it has been without the support and readership of the blog, and I think they'll enjoy the latest addition as much as I did putting it together.

The Amazon blurb gives a few more details:

The vast wilds outside a place called Hope hold their own stories. When the end came, what happened to everyone else?

Massachusetts. Texas. Alabama. Tennessee. Pockets of humanity have persisted through the apocalypse. All have tales of survival and loss.

Mad Dog Mattis’ last stand at the Pentagon. The first Christmas after the end of the world. A family isolated on their homestead as the evolving dead press at the fences. A desperate quest for helicopters to destroy the undead.

Come read through this expansion of Daniel Humphreys’ Dragon Award nominated Z-Day universe. Twelve brand new survival stories written by the best up and coming independent sci-fi and fantasy writers will thrill fans of the series.

Available on Kindle for the reasonable price of $4.99.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.




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1 Surprise anal!!!!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:01 AM (Dc2NZ)

2 Finished 'Good Omens; The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch' by Terry Pratchet and Neil Gamen. Was a strange book, good but strange. Moved on to the first book in a series by Rachel Cain called 'Ill Wind'. I had read the first three books in that series back when my wife had them in hardback. I though they were pretty good then and I got the first on in the Kindle format. Just couldn't get into it so I put it down. I moved on to a re-read of the Elemental Masters series by Mercedes Lackey.






Posted by: Vic at November 17, 2019 09:01 AM (mpXpK)

3 Right on Time!

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:02 AM (lD3vL)

4 That's like a Sing Sing for books.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:02 AM (Dc2NZ)

5 Nice!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 09:03 AM (cqNba)

6 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading. I sure did.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:03 AM (bmdz3)

7 I was pawing through my Tolkiana and was drawn back to this:
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Prologue -- Concerning Bogies

This book is predominantly concerned with making money, and from its pages a reader may learn much bout the character and the literary integrity of the authors. Of bogies, however, he will discover next to nothing, since anyone in the possession of a mere moiety of his marbles will readily concede that such creatures exist only in the minds of children of the sort whose childhoods are spent in wicker baskets, and who grow up to be muggers, dog thieves, and insurance salesmen. Nonetheless, judging from the sales of Prof. Tolkien's interesting books, this is a rather sizable group, sporting the kind of scorchmarks on their pockets that only the spontaneous combustion of heavy wads of crumpled money can produce.

-- Bored of the Rings

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:03 AM (Dc2NZ)

8 Those pants are fine. I would wear them to a barbeque in Murray's back yard.

Posted by: Mary Tyler Moore at November 17, 2019 09:04 AM (Tnijr)

9 booken morgen horden!

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 09:05 AM (G546f)

10 That liberry has a Borg look to it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 17, 2019 09:05 AM (oVJmc)

11 Top 20 maybe?

Posted by: JC. Just JC. at November 17, 2019 09:05 AM (377Zs)

12 The dude from Star wars.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 09:06 AM (cqNba)

13 That is, of course, Grand Moff Tarkin.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:06 AM (Dc2NZ)

14 Peter Cushing.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 09:06 AM (cqNba)

15 >>Grand Moff Tarkin. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:06 AM (Dc2NZ)

Surprise anal!

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 09:07 AM (XzT/D)

16 Peter Cushing

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2019 09:07 AM (EZebt)

17 The 'these pants' photo isn't quite as strange as some of the examples. However, being of a portly physique (incredible understatement) it pisses me off when skinny people wear baggy clothes. If they are going to be skinny then dress skinny and leave the cloth for my stuff.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:07 AM (bmdz3)

18 Well done Eris!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:08 AM (BiNEL)

19 pretty Outlander art

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 09:08 AM (G546f)

20 Bored of the Rings still leaves me paralyzed with laughter at its best parts.

The map at the front is great, too. "Land of the Knee-Walking Turkeys."

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:08 AM (cfSRQ)

21 So now I know why the Cartels are running wild in Mexico.

They turned their prisons onto Lieberrys.

Is that Bill Clinton reading his wife's autobiography?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 09:09 AM (Z+IKu)

22 I saw the library picture, and first thought was Bezos built a new warehouse.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 17, 2019 09:09 AM (C1Lsn)

23 That liberry has a Borg look to it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 17, 2019 09:05 AM (oVJmc)


My first thought was this is the Amazon Book Warehouse and expected to see robot book fetchers running hither and yon!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:09 AM (BiNEL)

24 22

My brother!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:10 AM (BiNEL)

25 The only reason that I could name Peter Cushing was that Svenghoulie had 'The Gorgon' as the Saturday night feature.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 09:10 AM (cqNba)

26 Who dis be Peter Cushing

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:10 AM (Ki5SV)

27 I had read and enjoyed Term Limits before, but I read my first Mitch Rapp book this week (I was without a book and this was handy), Pursuit of Honor, and I now know why Flynn had such a fan base.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:10 AM (Dc2NZ)

28 18 Well done Eris!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:08 AM (BiNEL)
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You never saw it coming!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:11 AM (Dc2NZ)

29 Thank you for the book thread, Oregon Muse.

I always like reading about moron authors and books. It's my goal to read some of them in the next year.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 09:11 AM (TdMsT)

30 Doctor Who!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 17, 2019 09:12 AM (oVJmc)

31 Now, speaking of the Hermitage - this is definitely not to everyone's taste, but here is the trailer for 2002s Russian Ark:

https://tinyurl.com/vovwg88

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:12 AM (Ki5SV)

32 📖!

Saw that library pic and immediately thought, didn't look particularly stable - I wouldn't feel safe in here during an earthquake.

That was before I read about its construction.

Posted by: mindful webworker - y el libro de la gringo estupido at November 17, 2019 09:12 AM (5RITs)

33 another interesting book about slavery in the South was a book used by Wofford College in the history studies. I believe the name was "The Economics of Slavery in the South". I borrowed it from a friend of mine who was going to Wofford. I guess she bought it from the college bookstore because I have not been able to find it anywhere.

Posted by: Vic at November 17, 2019 09:12 AM (mpXpK)

34 "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.

Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read"

- Groucho Marx, who occasionally took his cigar out of his mouth

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 17, 2019 09:12 AM (HaL55)

35 I really like Ben Rheder and the Blanco County Mysteries. There are 12 books in the series and all good fun and good reading. I feel like I know Red and Billy Don, two rednecks featured in all of the books. Book 12 is about those 2 sidekicks as they try to solve a mystery.

Ben does a describing Texas and Texans with with the warts and all. Most of his books a free to borrow with Kindle Unlimited.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 17, 2019 09:13 AM (JFO2v)

36 I just finished a really fun book: _The Book of Swindles_, by Zhang Yingyu (translated by Christopher Rea and Bruce Rusk). It was written around the time of the Jamestown colony, and it's a compendium of con games and dodges in Ming China.

Some of the cons are familiar favorites, like the classic "drop the pigeon" scam. Others depend on Chinese culture to work: pretending to be the servant of the official in charge of grading civil service exams, in order to get bribes from candidates.

And some of them are flat-out crazy: having your daughter seduce a young aristocrat so your descendants can hijack his ancestors' spiritual power. Or Daoist monks using magic to appear to people in dreams and thereby sucker them into being friends so they can rob them.

Highly recommended.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:13 AM (b3VIz)

37 2 Finished 'Good Omens; The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch' by Terry Pratchet and Neil Gamen. Was a strange book, good but strange. Moved on to the first book in a series by Rachel Cain called 'Ill Wind'.

Vic, I remember that series - Weather Wardens. I thought it was enjoyable.
I think Rachel Cain has a tendency to use cliffhangers as book endings in most of her series, so I usually tap out after a few books.

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 09:13 AM (G546f)

38 Those pants are fine. I would try to get that girl out of those pants at a 70s barbecue.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 17, 2019 09:14 AM (gd9RK)

39 Just about finished with Orwell's Homage to Catalonia. I don't like my edition, which seems to have been scanned from an earlier printing and dumped into book format. It is full of artifacts and errors and devoid of commentary. I will be getting a better version for my permanent collection.

Absolutely recommend reading Henry G. Payne's book on the Spanish Civil War before attempting to read Orwell. You will get much more out of it.

Not sure what's next in the lineup, though my wife is pushing some of her religious books on me. I'm still in a Spanish Civil War mood, but running out of material. I've got every Osprey book that even touches on the conflict, including the aces, though there may be an out of print book on how the air forces were organized.

I've seen a military history on Amazon that I may check out. I've also seen Anthony Beevor's book but I don't know what he would have that Payne and Hugh Thomas missed.

Thomas is very long-winded and while a leftist idiot, does provide a lot of sources. Payne is half as long, and twice as accurate. We'll see.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:14 AM (cfSRQ)

40 OM's post is a work of performance art. Wonderful read.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2019 09:15 AM (NVYyb)

41 Bored of the Rings. Ah yes. Bought from 1st copy from my paper route money when it first came out when I was ten (but I date myself). Still have it with all of my Mad Magazines and their earmarked and rumbled pages. Never would have guessed that "Spy vs. Spy" would be describing what the Dimms are doing today in undermining our President.

Posted by: JC. Just JC. at November 17, 2019 09:15 AM (377Zs)

42 You never saw it coming!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:11 AM (Dc2NZ)

To be fair, I was very very surprised!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:16 AM (BiNEL)

43 Bored of the Rings is starting to show its age, though. My kid read it a few years ago and I had to explain a lot of the jokes. Like calling Gandalf "Goodgulf" or some of the references in the Ballhog section.

Word to the wise: if your work is timely, that means it will be dated.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:17 AM (b3VIz)

44 Friday night I finished "The Night Manager" miniseries.

It was terrible.

I have read none of Le Carre's books and there is the risk that this production wrecked his story, but I get a sense that the guy is so blinded by anti-American, anti-Capitalist sentiment that the book version is just as stupid as the movie, without the benefit of at least getting to enjoy Hugh Laurie chewing on the scenery.

This is why I avoid Le Carre because the things I like best about the adaptations are the cast. Even Le Carre admitted that Alec Guinness' performance as George Smiley exceeded his writing of him, and he changed the character to match Guinness' affectations.

I'm going to have to write a hate review at my web site this week just to cleanse my soul.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:17 AM (cfSRQ)

45 The library does not look cozy at all. Not a place to curl up on a comfy chair with a good book.

It looks rather Soviet in design.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 17, 2019 09:18 AM (TdMsT)

46 With the release of the excellent Midway film.
I wanted to put in the recommendation for the postmotum Miracle at Midway and At Dawn We Slept by Gordon W Prange.

Posted by: Dread0 at November 17, 2019 09:18 AM (thwGF)

47 28 18 Well done Eris!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:08 AM (BiNEL)
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You never saw it coming!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:11 AM (Dc2NZ)

the second surprise in surprise anal

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 17, 2019 09:19 AM (JFO2v)

48 I mentioned this last night, but repeating it for the book thread:

I bought myself an early Christmas gift yesterday, Jeanine Basinger's The Movie Musical! I've mentioned her here before - she is a film scholar at Wesleyan University and I have two of her other books, Silent Stars (which is obvious as to what it is about) and The Star Machine (which is about how Hollywood found, groomed and promoted actors in the Golden Age.

I started Movie Musical! yesterday. I would recommend it, if you like that sort of thing. I had to put it down once she began discussing Fed Astaire because - well, because I was brooding, thinking of Astaire's style and talent and comparing that to my own self.

Which, I know, is utterly ridiculous. I might as well compare myself to Marilyn Monroe and be sad that I am not her. Still, the thought is always there because I just can't stand myself.

**deep breath**

Anyway, The Movie Musical! would be a good gift, I think, for anyone interested in them. Be forewarned, it's not a lavish celebration, but a serious (if popular-oriented) look at how the genre was created and how it developed from the late 1920s on.

https://tinyurl.com/qr8hogw

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:19 AM (Ki5SV)

49 The Holy Bible
Still the best selling book of all time...

Posted by: Builder Berg at November 17, 2019 09:20 AM (+Yu7u)

50 Have any of you ever read Carroll Quigley's book, "Tragedy and Hope"? I've had it on my bookshelf for at least 3 decades, but never read it. It's over 1300 pages long. From what I have heard, it is very prophetic.

Posted by: Grannymimi at November 17, 2019 09:20 AM (u5LFV)

51 I'm also starting Douglas Brinkley's _American Moonshot_ about the origins of the space program. It's effectively a braided biography of Kennedy, Von Braun, and Armstrong.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:20 AM (b3VIz)

52 I've been in the mood for gentle, sometimes raucus, humor. It started with a twenty year collection of "Hagar The Horrible" comic strips. They aren't as consistently good as Calvin and Hobbs (few things are) but they are funny. Mrs. JTB knew what I was reading by the sounds of stifled laughter as I tried to avoid disturbing her and waking up the pup.

Then there was "Parnassus On Wheels" by Christopher Morley. Written in 1917. This was the gentle humor part with wry observations about the characters and society in general. A sense of fun and enthusiasm comes through the writing which enhances the story. (BTW, Morley was a co-founder of the Baker Street Irregulars.)

Then I started a re-read of "Three Men In A Boat" by Jerome K. Jerome. This must be the third time I've read it and I still laugh out loud at the same sections. The dead pan delivery of the humor and silliness adds to the comedy. I wonder if it was an influence on PG Wodehouse and Cleveland Amory.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:20 AM (bmdz3)

53
Reading Nothing Superfluous by Fr. James Jackson. This is an analysis of the old Tridentine Mass or, as we're supposed to call it, the Extraordinary Form of the Catholic Mass.

This form of the Mass, in Latin, was codified by the Council of Trent in the 16th Century and was supplanted by the Novus Ordo Mass (the Ordinary Form) in 1969, with its melange of bad translation and breezy superficiality. The Tridentine Mass is still allowed and is used by orders like the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter.

What Jackson shows is how each and every part of the Tridentine Mass - the altar, the vestments, the ceremony, the words and the rubrics (the gestures of the priest during Mass) - are extremely important, each symbolizing something, each making up a part of this beautiful remembrance of the Supreme Sacrifice.

If you're a snapper and have the chance to attend a Traditional Latin Mass, try to do so. What happens is no mystery. The priest is saying Mass on your behalf and there are booklets with which the ceremony can be followed and printouts of the readings of the day.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 09:21 AM (7rVsF)

54 >>Which, I know, is utterly ridiculous. I might as well compare myself to Marilyn Monroe and be sad that I am not her. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:19 AM (Ki5SV)

You are superior to Marilyn Monroe.

Posted by: Zod at November 17, 2019 09:21 AM (XzT/D)

55 Ah Creepy Comics. A guilty pleasure of my misspent youth.

Posted by: Big V at November 17, 2019 09:21 AM (B06Zw)

56 another interesting book about slavery in the South was a book used by Wofford College in the history studies. I believe the name was "The Economics of Slavery in the South". I borrowed it from a friend of mine who was going to Wofford. I guess she bought it from the college bookstore because I have not been able to find it anywhere.
Posted by: Vic at November 17, 2019 09:12 AM (mpXpK)

I found The Peculiar Institution to be an interesting look at slavery, myself.

https://tinyurl.com/tlc324f

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:21 AM (Ki5SV)

57 I read Desert Spear by Peter V. Brett. This is the second in the Demon Cycle series, following The Warded Man. Humans must still battle Corelings, monsters who rise from the ground each night; but now they must also contend with an Arab/Muslim-like tribe, the Krasians, who come swarming out of the desert to subjugate the Northern People and to use them as fodder in fighting the Corelings. The head of the desert tribe, Ahamann Jardir, believes he is the Deliverer of ancient prophecy, but the Northerns claim that it is the Warded Man who is the true Deliverer. The showdown between the two appears to be in the next book of the series, The Dayling War. I'm enjoying the series very much.

Recommended here several times recently, I read Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank (Harry Hart Frank). Published in 1959 at the height of backyard underground bunkers and drop-and-hold drills in schools, the book is about surviving a nuclear attack in a small town in central Florida. The book is considered a classic in early dystopian literature. An interesting, tightly-written novel.

Posted by: Zoltan at November 17, 2019 09:22 AM (MikIT)

58 Amazon Kindle is lending 6 short story thrillers NAMELESS by Dean Koontz. They are quick reads, 1 or maybe less than an hour each book.

Posted by: Oggi at November 17, 2019 09:22 AM (Bk5Q+)

59 I read some of Tragedy and Hope about thirty years ago and remember absolutely nothing of it. Which, in a way, says a great deal about it.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:22 AM (b3VIz)

60
"Who dis?" looks like John Paul Getty.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 09:23 AM (7rVsF)

61 56 I found The Peculiar Institution to be an interesting look at slavery, myself.



https://tinyurl.com/tlc324f

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:21 AM (Ki5SV)

Too bad it doesn't have a cheaper Kindle version.

Posted by: Vic at November 17, 2019 09:23 AM (mpXpK)

62 I'll be back. Going to make some tea and toast.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:24 AM (Ki5SV)

63 Made a big breakfast for Dr. Mrs. T. and myself, made a proper pot of coffee, built a fire, and now I'm sitting here in my armchair reading the Book Thread while the dog gazes at me from the couch.

A good morning so far.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:25 AM (b3VIz)

64 38 Those pants are fine. I would try to get that girl out of those pants at a 70s barbecue

I DID get a girl out of pants like those at a 70s barbecue. We're still married.

Posted by: JC. Just JC. at November 17, 2019 09:25 AM (377Zs)

65 Writing Update:

I finally got some decent writing sessions in this week, but my hopes of crossing the crucial 40,000 word line were thwarted by a very loud sleepover held by my youngest daughter. Impossible to write with all that movement and racket - especially when trying to create the mood necessary for a vampire story.

Still, I seem to be on schedule and the plot is coming together. I rewrote the epic shootout on I-75 just north of the Mackinac Bridge in light of watching a Paul Harrell video on which parts of cars can stop bullets (that would be the engine).

If I can get some good brainstorming in, this week could be decisive and I'll hit my goal of the rough draft by Thanksgiving weekend.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:25 AM (cfSRQ)

66 Second the recommendation for Miracle at Midway and At Dawn We Slept

Both deal with Intelligence. Prange refutes that FDR knew about Pearl and let it happen. Our blind spot was underestimating the Japanese

"We should have known after we imposed the oil embargo"
Tom Hagen, not a wartime consigliere

Midway of course with the trap about the failed water facility

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 09:26 AM (4vWPM)

67 I'm continuing to listen to "The Silmarillion" on CD and enjoying it. I thought I might get lost in all the character and place names. I do to a degree but not as badly as I anticipated. Also, the mood and movement of the story comes through without constantly flicking back and forth through the pages trying to keep everything clear.

Once I'm done with The Silmarillion, I'll start my annual session with LOTR but on audio this time. I have the BBC 'staged' radio production but find that all the sound effects, music, and different voices distracts me from Tolkien's words. So I'm going with the Rob Inglis unabridged narration version. My only complaint is that it doesn't include the Prologue material but starts with chapter one. I'll read the intro matters as, for me, that is as much a part of the books as the story.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:28 AM (bmdz3)

68 Ha. I love Hordemind. We were just recently talking about the etymology of BBQ and how it's a regional noun vs verb.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 09:29 AM (PRN3w)

69 Are the Louis L'Amour series still considered "Classics"

Posted by: Builder Berg at November 17, 2019 09:29 AM (+Yu7u)

70 If you're a snapper and have the chance to attend a
Traditional Latin Mass, try to do so. What happens is no mystery. The
priest is saying Mass on your behalf and there are booklets with which
the ceremony can be followed and printouts of the readings of the day.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 09:21 AM (7rVsF)

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I would like to do this. I know there were some in the area, but that was a while ago. I think Benedict did improve the translation, but the old-timers tell me how you could go into any church anywhere and the mass was exactly the same.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:29 AM (cfSRQ)

71 Good morning y'all!

Posted by: tbodie at November 17, 2019 09:30 AM (YxTUV)

72 I agree that those pants aren't at all egregious, but agreeable. That skirt ensemble is adorable.

Now these pants are practical:

https://tinyurl.com/yx73ajug

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:30 AM (Dc2NZ)

73 Also book and current events related:

"Then President of Mexico Vicente Fox inaugurated the library on 16 May 2006, and stated that this was one of the most advanced constructions of the 21st century, and that it would be spoken of throughout the world. This inauguration took place a week before the deadline the president had to promote his accomplishments before the 2006 presidential election.

The library had to close in March 2007 due to construction defects..."

--

I'm guessing that Mexican library was designed and built by the best and brightest.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 09:31 AM (PRN3w)

74 67
I'm continuing to listen to "The Silmarillion" on CD and enjoying it. I
thought I might get lost in all the character and place names. I do to a
degree but not as badly as I anticipated. Also, the mood and movement
of the story comes through without constantly flicking back and forth
through the pages trying to keep everything clear.



Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:28 AM (bmdz3)

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Do you have the CD where Tolkien reads his works? It also has Christopher reading some of the Silmarillion. Pretty cool.

I bet the audio version is easier than the printed word because on the page Finrod, Feanor, Fingolfin, Finarfin, etc. all look very much alike but spoken they are quite distinct.

It was clearly written as an oral tale, recounted by bards.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:31 AM (cfSRQ)

75 Grannymimi, there is a Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton, connection.

Just something to keep in mind.

Is that Vertical Run author a Hordester?

Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 09:32 AM (B2OlB)

76 Okay, humans have been cooking meat over fires for about a million years.

Europeans certainly did a lot of cooking meat on spits or grills over fires.

So why did they need to borrow a Carib word for it? What was new and different about barbecue that it needed a new word rather than "roasting" or "spit-roasting" or something?

Was it that stoves were becoming the norm in Europe, so they needed a retronym for "cooking not on a stove"? The way we now talk about landline phones or analog recordings?

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:32 AM (b3VIz)

77 Eris, those are great pants!

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 09:33 AM (G546f)

78 Oops, I mean the guy, Hans, that tweeted about the book.

Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 09:33 AM (B2OlB)

79 7 ... Hi Eris, I just re-read Bored of the Rings a few months ago. And yes, I still laugh, although it helps to be from the north east circa Woodstock times.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:33 AM (bmdz3)

80 It's weird how the library thread always seems to overlook the National Library of Kosovo, in Pristina. Granted, there aren't a lot of photos of the interior...let's see what I can find.

Exterior
https://tinyurl.com/s7zooc5
https://tinyurl.com/svdmaa4
https://i.___ur.com/LcPOHBG.jpg
so beautiful (retches)

Interior (that I could easily find)
https://tinyurl.com/raole8e
https://tinyurl.com/rj4rqye

It looks nice enough inside, but I don't see many books...

Posted by: Grimaldi at November 17, 2019 09:35 AM (6K3U5)

81 teej, Hans Schantz is a Moron - he shows up on the Sunday book thread once in a while.
He's also a certified nerd - physics prof at Georgia Tech, I think

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 09:36 AM (G546f)

82 Okay, humans have been cooking meat over fires for about a million years.

Europeans certainly did a lot of cooking meat on spits or grills over fires.

So why did they need to borrow a Carib word for it? What was new and different about barbecue that it needed a new word rather than "roasting" or "spit-roasting" or something?

Was it that stoves were becoming the norm in Europe, so they needed a retronym for "cooking not on a stove"? The way we now talk about landline phones or analog recordings?

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:32 AM (b3VIz)

--

I'd put my money on the word being so non-specific. The europeans (looking at you, French) probably had language reflecting techniques that were akin to "cooking on low heat on coal from a oak limbs collected in the early spring and using only the dark meat from the lower part of the bird"

vs

"Cook that. Cook ALL that."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 09:37 AM (PRN3w)

83 Second the recommendation for Miracle at Midway and At Dawn We Slept



Both deal with Intelligence. Prange refutes that FDR knew about
Pearl and let it happen. Our blind spot was underestimating the
Japanese



Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 09:26 AM (4vWPM)

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This is a pet peeve of mine.

Yes, there are conspiracies. Most large-scale acts are technically conspiracies.

Where it gets stupid is imputing a degree of ruthless efficiency to military/political actors that is simply impossible if you know anything about the culture or environment.

Instapundit linked to an article about how the Japanese "knew" the A-bomb was en route and didn't intercept it. It was only recently uncovered, or so the post argued.

But a close reading shows nothing of the sort. Okay, the Japanese figured out that there was a shadowy B-29 group doing flying that didn't seem part of the other formations. It deployed single aircraft, which was unusual.

That in and of itself wasn't enough for the military to demand everyone run to the shelters every time a plane flew overhead. The entire article ignored the fact that once raids become common enough, the leadership has to decide when to sound the alarm.

The British and Germans had the same problem. When people go to ground, nothing gets done. In short order the war effort will grind to a halt.

Japan in August 1945 had only a few unbombed cities left, so to have them voluntarily shut down work was tantamount to giving up. It wasn't a conspiracy per se, just standard decision-making during the fog of war.

The "shocking revelations" came because with the trauma of surrender and occupation, digging it up made no sense. Now, 70 years later, they an go nitpick this crap.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:37 AM (cfSRQ)

84 Those pants. Sigh. I had some blue ones just like those in the picture. 100% polyester; I can still smell and feel the fabric. Probably the only reason I didn't have the hideous plaid top is that any time of the year that it's okay to wear pastels is too hot to wear long sleeves in Texas.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at November 17, 2019 09:38 AM (S+f+m)

85 Add my thanks to Libby Sternbergs', as an indy author whose books always take a jump in sales after being noted in the book thread. It does make a huge difference, being able to actually pay a couple of bills with the royalties from a months' worth of sales (as opposed to maybe a restaurant meal!)

I looked around at my book purchases over the last couple of years, and aside from books bought because I needed them for reference for the book that I was working on at the time - just about all my pleasure reading came from recommendations and discussions from the book thread!

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at November 17, 2019 09:39 AM (xnmPy)

86 Looks like a book warehouse. How do you find anything?!

One more P. Mason, then on to something new.

BBL.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 17, 2019 09:39 AM (u/nim)

87 79 7 ... Hi Eris, I just re-read Bored of the Rings a few months ago. And yes, I still laugh, although it helps to be from the north east circa Woodstock times.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:33 AM (bmdz3)
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It was dated even when I read it as a tweener, and I still loved it. It is emblazoned on my hippocampus.

"Ho ho!" chortled the narc as he stood over Moxie like some housewife sizing up a kielbasa.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:39 AM (Dc2NZ)

88 Has anyone here read "Invitation to a Beheading" by Nabokov? It usually isn't mentioned in the short list of his essential books but it surely deserves inclusion. I'm barely a quarter of the way through and am already floored by it. It's very Kafkaesque without him being aware of Franz; surely as a result of having lived through everything turning to shit in Russia and now being in Berlin in the 30s. Since young Vlad was very well read I'd think of Gogol being a major influence but this is a uniquely Nabokovian construct of some young guy, Cincinnatus, schedule to have his dome lopped off at some future date (his dickweed lawyer doesn't consider finding that out particularly important) for the crime of gnostical turpitude. Everything happens like in a dream where nothing stays constant or makes sense; in the hands of a lesser writer this could be very irritating but he makes me want to keep reading to see what happens next. Just last night Cincinnatus was reading a bound collection of a glossy magazine "published once upon a time, in a barely remembered age" and goes into various descriptions of the idealized world being presented and, even though I was a bit hammered, I was thinking how this would appear to a future reader after magazines have gone completely tits up; except for porn, there will always be porn.

This was written during a frenzied bit of writing activity by Vlad. He was already working on a larger work, The Gift, and just dashed this off in short order. His son had just been born and the economy was total shit so he obviously needed money; but this doesn't have a rushed or slapdash feeling of being written for quick cash like The Idiot by Dostoyevsky did.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 09:40 AM (y7DUB)

89 Reading Neil Postman's Entertaining Ourselves to Death, which has been on my reading list since I was young.

It's really quite good. The first half is dedicated to the exploration of the effects the medium used for information transmission in a society has on that society as a whole and the mental habits and reasoning practices of its constituent members. The impact of the spoken word, the written word and of the image are explored, and the utility of memory and the way community is construed and truth perceived as a consequence is described and evidenced.

Postman is a liberal, and it comes through at times, but he is a true professor, and his analyis and thoughts are clear and useful and mostly true. He does have a luddite strain which comes through much more strongly in his lectures than his book.

Highly recommended. Goes far beyond an analysis of television to an exploration of how we conceive and organize thought and orient to the world.

I'm also reading The Coddling of the American Mind, which I'm finding less interesting. About done, two chapters to go, might not finish. On the generous side, I would say that their contributions have been folded into the national conversation, at least among its right-thinking conversants. The book doesn't seem to add much to my understanding or even knowledgebase. Events like Brett Weinstein are examined, trends like campus speech codes and the diminishment of unstructured play are described, and explanations about the cultured fragility of modern young people are offered.

I was dissapponted because I had expected more, and greatly enjoyed the lectures from Haidt and his co-author. But perhaps I had already heard their message in those, and so the book fell short for me.

Recommended if you need a framework for understanding modern troubles or an orientation after a 20 year sleep.

Posted by: .87c at November 17, 2019 09:41 AM (TDP3i)

90 Another source of all those historical conspiracy theories is hindsight. Sure there were plenty of intelligence reports suggesting the Japanese might attack the fleet at Hawaii. But there were also reports suggesting surprise raids against the West Coast, strikes against the Panama Canal, an invasion of Alaska, invasion of Samoa, invasion of India, etc. etc. etc. You only know which reports are significant after the events. So some modern researcher goes digging into the pile of intel briefings, spies one that mentions an attack on Pearl, and says "Aha! Roosevelt knew and did nothing!"

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:41 AM (b3VIz)

91 "Ho ho!" chortled the narc as he stood over Moxie like some housewife sizing up a kielbasa.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:39 AM (Dc2NZ)

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How about the narcs polishing the desert of Fordor with giant buffers?

Awesome.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:41 AM (cfSRQ)

92 The "shocking revelations" came because with the trauma of surrender and occupation, digging it up made no sense. Now, 70 years later, they an go nitpick this crap.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:37 AM (cfSRQ)

I call that ^^ the Evil Genius Syndrome. Made popular in a lot of movies. Somehow, if we see it in the movies that makes it true.

Posted by: tbodie at November 17, 2019 09:42 AM (YxTUV)

93 "Even if it's these pants, for which I thank my lucky stars that they're more of a turquoise color, and not lime green, or burnt orange."

*****

In junior high school in the 1970s I had a very similar clothing ensemble, except that the color scheme was pink plaid and lime green. The pants had the same wide cuffs. And the fabric was seersucker. My Mom, an accomplished seamstress, made it for me. It had a matching vest as well.

At the time, I thought it was quite the fashion statement.

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at November 17, 2019 09:43 AM (NqQAS)

94 Here, I fixed your library picture:
https://___ur.com/a/Dx4PNPY

Posted by: Spamf Roming at November 17, 2019 09:45 AM (7HnEw)

95 https://___ur.com/a/Dx4PNPY

Posted by: Spamf Roming at November 17, 2019 09:45 AM (7HnEw)

96 FFS

Posted by: Spamf Roming at November 17, 2019 09:45 AM (7HnEw)

97 Use capital IMG

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 09:46 AM (0GvUH)

98 Another source of all those historical conspiracy
theories is hindsight. Sure there were plenty of intelligence reports
suggesting the Japanese might attack the fleet at Hawaii. But there were
also reports suggesting surprise raids against the West Coast, strikes
against the Panama Canal, an invasion of Alaska, invasion of Samoa,
invasion of India, etc. etc. etc. You only know which reports are
significant after the events. So some modern researcher goes digging
into the pile of intel briefings, spies one that mentions an attack on
Pearl, and says "Aha! Roosevelt knew and did nothing!"

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:41 AM (b3VIz)

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There's also the problem of what Clausewitz calls "friction."

I remember sitting in a briefing where our battery commander said that THIS TIME, we were going to hold the convoy together, dammit.

Nope. Total fail.

Note that this "convoy" wasn't through Fallujah, but from Lansing to Grayling on a Friday evening. Two-hour drive on the interstate.

When you add enemy action, it gets that much worse.

Pearl Harbor weirdos have to set aside the fact that you can't disperse a fleet and expect it to be a fighting force. The first step in deterrence is concentrating the fleet. Thus, the British task in both 1914 and 1939 was to call in their scattered ships on peacetime cruises or on leave and get them back to the main base.

"But Pearl Harbor was bait!"

No, it wasn't. It was the natural defensive line to protect the West Coast. Had the US concentrated on the West Coast itself, Hawaii could have been invaded without any way to defend it until after Japanese troops arrived.

It's interesting to challenge people on this, and ask them how their "simple" or "obvious" countermove would actually have worked in practice.

Spoiler alert: It wouldn't have worked.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:48 AM (cfSRQ)

99 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:25 AM (cfSRQ)

Congratulations and good work!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:48 AM (Ki5SV)

100 That tweet was a bit misleading, OregonMuse, I thought for a second the Hans Schantz had released a new book and it wasn't about a Unified Field theory or the conspiracy to cover it up and I was taken strongly aback.

Still looking forward to the next installment of The Hidden Truth.

I also read Storm Front by Jim Butcher, first of the Dresden Files series. It was fine. Picked it up on a lark.

Read the latest Declann Finn book, which is basically Monster Hunter but Catholic.

Also read The Tempest. Had never read that before. After reading Olympos and Illium and having seen The Forbidden Planet I figured I should patch this hole in my education. I found myself underwhelmed by it and wonder if my decision to read the play without commentary was wise. I thought I was understanding everything, but didn't see any great examinations of character or morality or anything else I'd expect from Shakespeare. But most of my previous experience with the Barr was in an acqdemic or acting setting, requiring extensive analysis or at least comprehension and memorization. But I probably won't invest that kind of time now, yet didn't want the "answers" given to my by a commentary, filling my head with words by stripping the reading of the meaning and value of those concepts.

Does anyone have suggestions for a good way to engage with Shakespeare (or similar) in a meaningful, economical way?

Posted by: .87c at November 17, 2019 09:48 AM (TDP3i)

101 Absolutely recommend reading Henry G. Payne's book on the Spanish Civil War before attempting to read Orwell. You will get much more out of it.

This should be stamped in every copy of Homage to Catalonia. As I was reading it as part of the Horde group experience I was thinking "this is sucking far too much cock to be considered optimal". I doubt I was the only one thinking that, maybe even in those specific words.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 09:49 AM (y7DUB)

102 At the time, I thought it was quite the fashion statement.





Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at November 17, 2019 09:43 AM (NqQAS)

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And it was!

The problem was that the statement was: "Isn't this the worst decade of fashion in the history of all mankind?"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:51 AM (cfSRQ)

103 That Mexican library looks straight out of the movie Interstellar.

Posted by: Flyover EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:51 AM (Rbu5d)

104 Thanks vmom!!
Thought maybe I recognized it but, being juuust a bit over 29, hard for me to keep track of people who don't comment much,,, like me.

Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 09:51 AM (B2OlB)

105 I read "Vertical Run" a couple of decades ago or more.

Fun thriller and good light reading.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 17, 2019 09:51 AM (WEBkv)

106 Tolle Lege
Finished With Eagles to Glory on the French- Austrian 1809 campaign and well into Bernard Cornwall's Sharpe's Triumph. It's my truck book for lunch time and down time. They are more my line of interest than the Aubrey/ Maturin series which I really enjoyed.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 09:52 AM (ZCEU2)

107 96 FFS
Posted by: Spamf Roming at November 17, 2019 09:45 AM

Yeah...weird issues with some of those links. My apologies. Maybe Pixy is trying to protect us all from ugly library images? I've verified these links now work...we'll see if Pixy allows them.

https://tinyurl.com/s74lnfk
https://tinyurl.com/vxgesr2

Posted by: Grimaldi at November 17, 2019 09:53 AM (6K3U5)

108 So, can one get cafe or a chalupa in that first floor covered arcade?

Posted by: Flyover EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:54 AM (Rbu5d)

109 >>That Mexican library looks straight out of the movie Interstellar.
Posted by: Flyover EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:51 AM (Rbu5d)

My 1st thought was the warehouse of doors in the movie Monsters Inc.

Posted by: My life is insanity at November 17, 2019 09:55 AM (Z/jzm)

110 Now, speaking of the Hermitage - this is definitely not to everyone's taste, but here is the trailer for 2002s Russian Ark:

https://tinyurl.com/vovwg88
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:12 AM (Ki5SV)


That movie has been on my list for some time, just haven't gotten around to it.

I was somewhat skeptical, seems more like a gimmick to keep focusing on the "one continuous shot" thing, so I'm not really sure what it's supposed to be, otherwise.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 09:56 AM (hku12)

111 I think I will follow A.H. Lloyd's lead and see if I can get any writing done.

Hope you all have a lovely day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 17, 2019 09:56 AM (Ki5SV)

112 53 ... Hadrian, Thanks for mentioning "Nothing Superfluous". I'll have to check into it.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:57 AM (bmdz3)

113 Thank you, OM, for the book thread (the best thread).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:57 AM (Dc2NZ)

114 I look at the pants pic and it reminds me of a story I heard long ago:

"A guy walked into a store, in San Francisco, wearing bright green bell bottom and a lime green shirt, robbed the story, walked outside and disappeared into the crowd....."

True story. However, the colors have been changed, because my memory is not that good.

Happened about the time the pants pics would have been high fashion.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 17, 2019 09:57 AM (WEBkv)

115 That Mexican library looks straight out of the movie Interstellar.
Posted by: Flyover EDKH at November 17, 2019 09:51 AM (Rbu5d)


Reminds me of a prison. Lots of interesting stuff warehoused in it, not sure how they keep track of it all.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 09:58 AM (hku12)

116 This should be stamped in every copy of Homage to
Catalonia. As I was reading it as part of the Horde group experience I
was thinking "this is sucking far too much cock to be considered
optimal". I doubt I was the only one thinking that, maybe even in those
specific words.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 09:49 AM (y7DUB)

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I had a similar experience. I had done a little background work on it when I first read it, but it did nothing for me.

Now it all makes sense. The Aragon front was quiet, and the winter of 36-37 was mostly where both sides were reorganizing and setting the table for the coming year. The heavy fighting happened near Madrid.

Orwell alludes to the Popular Army, which was organized (and policed) by the Soviets. Naturally the militias were going to have be broken up.

If one doesn't understand the four-way split between socialists, anarchists, Stalinists and "Trotskyists" (who weren't, but that's another story), his tale is also largely gibberish.

One (surely unintentional) takeaway is how the British in particular seemed to think they could just sort of drop in a for a few months of service and then pop out in time for tea. They didn't get that this wasn't some sort of colonial juant where "gentlemen adventurers" were welcome to do a spell of service before the onset of the rainy season.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:59 AM (cfSRQ)

117 .This is why I avoid Le Carre because the things I like best about the adaptations are the cast. Even Le Carre admitted that Alec Guinness' performance as George Smiley exceeded his writing of him, and he changed the character to match Guinness' affectations.
I'm going to have to write a hate review at my web site this week just to cleanse my soul.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:17 AM (cfSRQ)


And this is why you should also avoid the recent reboot of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Gary Oldman's George Smiley is basically Gary Oldman doing Alec Guinness doing George Smiley. So why do you need an imitation when you can get the real thing?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 10:00 AM (3Ame7)

118 And it was!

The problem was that the statement was: "Isn't this the worst decade of fashion in the history of all mankind?"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:51 AM (cfSRQ)

*****

I rate that statement as true!

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at November 17, 2019 10:00 AM (NqQAS)

119 Not a book per se, but an interesting online read for people who are into English history, alternate history, or English alternate history:

On the Alternate History Forum (alternatehistory.com) there is currently a lengthy thread in the pre-1900 forum titled "The Queen is Dead: Katherine of Aragon dies in 1518". It's written by a Brit lady who's into "Tudor fanfic" and she writes it in the style of a serial novel, posting it a chapter at a time.

Its premise is that Katherine dies while giving birth to her last baby, leaving Henry VIII a widower, free to remarry and pursue his goal of begetting a legitimate male heir. It also eliminates the "king's great matter" in the future and changes the whole landscape WRT the Church, the course of the Protestant Reformation, relations with France and other nations, etc. I found it quite interesting and it's still being updated regularly.

Posted by: Secret Square at November 17, 2019 10:01 AM (9WuX0)

120
The Spanish Civil War is a case where the losers wrote the history. The "Republicans" hoodwinked everyone into thinking they were besieged defenders of democracy instead of violent psychopathic killers.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 10:03 AM (7rVsF)

121 If I may…

I don't think about "supporting conservative authors" etc.

The saying goes, the Left can't meme. Likewise they can't art or story, as every film franchise murdered by social injustice engineering demonstrates.

I would no more enjoy a "conservative" agenda-driven story, pandering to all the right talking points, but lacking an intriguing plot and characters.

Similarly with non-fiction. "Conservatives" talk about history and consequences and fundamental rights. Trying to wrap my head around lefty thinking quickly feels like too many shots of tequila.

I use "Left" for convenience here, but I don't like those terms. It's not any kind of Right and Left. It's right and wrong.

Posted by: mindful webworker - si is mi at November 17, 2019 10:03 AM (5RITs)

122 Another source of all those historical conspiracy
theories is hindsight. Sure there were plenty of intelligence reportt suggesting the Japanese might attack the fleet at Hawaii. But there were
also reports suggesting surprise raids against the West Coast, strikes against the Panama Canal, an invasion of Alaska, invasion of Samoa, invasion of India, etc. etc. etc. You only know which reports are
significant after the events. So some modern researcher goes digging into the pile of intel briefings, spies one that mentions an attack on
Pearl, and says "Aha! Roosevelt knew and did nothing!"

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:41 AM (b3VIz)


This same sort of thing happens in everyday life too, and people seem oblivious to it at times. All of us.

You go to a busy restaurant and wonder why it's taking so long for the waiter to take your order. You sit in a traffic jam, and honk at the car in front of you for not moving.

We see only what we see, and think we have the whole story, and of course we don't.

I was interested in reading that article linked here yesterday, about Brennan poring over all sorts of raw "intelligence" and thinking he had the secret to the Trump/Russia conspiracy, when in fact he was driving himself nuts trying to make connections out of nothing.

People are funny.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 10:05 AM (hku12)

123 In A People's Tragedy the White Army was just defeated by the Reds. Figes makes it clear that they never really stood a chance because of their blindness of how people were unalterably opposed to going back to the old days no matter how badly Lenin's shitheads fucked things up. This harkens back to Winik's Great Upheaval when Catherine the Great called off planned liberalizing policies because she was scared shitless of what happened in the French Revolution with a world power going completely feral. Winik made it clear that the pressure kept building until Lenin took advantage of it.

The allies and even the fucking Krauts, after they facilitated Lenin like a bunch of retards, tried helping the White Russians but they were tired of war and it was pretty much swimming against the tide.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 10:05 AM (y7DUB)

124 Thanks .87c

Gonna have to look the guy up. See if I can find a blurb on The Hidden truth.
Unified Field Theory? Yeah. I'd get a slippery grasp on about 0.01% of that one.

And please, don't bother yourself on posting a link for me. Can't copy/paste on this here cheap phone.

Duck duck go for the win!!

Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 10:05 AM (B2OlB)

125 We humans enjoy a good hoodwinking, and will pay good money for one skillfully applied.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 10:06 AM (RuIsu)

126 My wife, the lovely and gracious Annalucia, and I recently finished reading LOTR aloud to each other. I'm sure I mangled the passages in Elvish (both varieties), and I'm sure that Professor Tolkien would have winced at my Midwestern accent; but in terms of appreciating a book - and, in particular, in appreciating fine writing - nothing compares with reading it aloud. Reading great prose silently, I think, like buying a bottle of wine and then just reading the label: until you take it into your mouth, you're not really experiencing it. And yes, "Bored of the Rings" is still brilliant and hilarious. In truth, their parody "An elven maid there was of old/Stenographer by day" has made it impossible for me to read the original: the parody is much more pungent, much funnier. (Though when I first read it to my kids, I had to explain what a "stenographer" was - how times have changed!)

Posted by: Brown Line at November 17, 2019 10:06 AM (S6ArX)

127 Spoiler alert: It wouldn't have worked.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

It's like they never played axis and allies.

Posted by: Jean at November 17, 2019 10:07 AM (TT5JW)

128 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 10:07 AM (arJlL)

129 All Hail Eris #1: Surprise anal!!!!

So good to see we're rock-solidly on-topic 📘 right from the top.

Ever wonder what folks just wandering into comments for the first time make of such AoS memes? I guess it's part of the weeding process. Twisted sense of humor test.

Posted by: mindful webworker - aqua aqui por favor at November 17, 2019 10:07 AM (5RITs)

130 And this is why you should also avoid the recent reboot of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
Gary Oldman's George Smiley is basically Gary Oldman doing Alec
Guinness doing George Smiley. So why do you need an imitation when you
can get the real thing?


Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 10:00 AM (3Ame7)

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Too late. My wife made me see in the theater. Huge Gary Oldman fan.

I thought it was funny how the producers tried to make England look even shabbier than it actually was. Battered brown briefcase rather than a bright gym bag in the original TV production.

I had a bag like that back in the day. Those things were everywhere. Much less conspicuous than a battered leather briefcase.

Laurie was wasted. Loki was wasted. The chick was right out of a 30s movie - the moll with the heart of gold. It was cliche piled upon cliche with a large dollop of moral scolding.

So very, very stupid.

Here's the thing: if Le Carre wants to get all moralistic, there's an obvious thing for him to do other than the arms trade.

Human trafficking.

It's a huge problem, we know charities are doing it, but of course no one wants to talk about that, do they Mr. Fierce Truth-Teller. No, let's click our tongues at how AWFUL it is that guns are being sold somewhere and ignore the fact that....(takes deep breath)

NO ONE NEEDS TO IMPORT GUNS ANY MORE.

Egypt makes its own AKs. So does Sudan. So does anyone who wants to! This notion that absent the US and UK, somehow terrorists would lose access to toys is ludicrous.

Even dumber is the concept that you can buy F-15s (!#?) on the black market.

Uh, suuuuuure you can. Stupid beyond belief. In need to stop before I burst a vein.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 10:08 AM (cfSRQ)

131 Fun and interesting forum on "Ian Fleming vs. John Le Carre" (with some good actors doing the narrations). LeCarre is generally considered more erudite and highbrow, but you might be surprised how well Fleming's descriptive passages and human insights hold up.

https://tinyurl.com/sfky3c7

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 10:10 AM (H8QX8)

132 Reading a sci fi trilogy by Walter Jon Williams called Dread Empire's Fall, consisting of:

Praxis
The Sundering
Conventions of War

Just about finished with Conventions of War, then I will start the first book of his follow-up (planned) trilogy called The Accidental War, just published last year.

Very, very good series so far.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 17, 2019 10:12 AM (bQngX)

133 "Bored of the Rings" is still brilliant and hilarious. In truth, their parody "An elven maid there was of old/Stenographer by day" has made it impossible for me to read the original: the parody is much more pungent, much funnier. (Though when I first read it to my kids, I had to explain what a "stenographer" was - how times have changed!)
Posted by: Brown Line at November 17, 2019 10:06 AM (S6ArX)

One of the great parodies of all time. Bluntly and hilariously silly as it is clever.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 10:13 AM (H8QX8)

134
Romantic couple emerging from book:

He had only intended for her to be a footnote in his life, a short chapter at most. He never expected it to be a binding affair.

But after he confessed his abiding devotion to her, he died from a ruptured appendix.

Posted by: mindful webworker - libre libre yeehaw at November 17, 2019 10:13 AM (5RITs)

135
Who dis? Grand Moff Tarkin

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 17, 2019 10:16 AM (nEmT7)

136 I also want to note that Hogmartin was taken aback by how many books I have. Aghast. Amazed.

Like I have a problem or something.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 10:16 AM (Dc2NZ)

137 Fulminating against "arms merchants" lets you blame Third World violence on wealthy Western countries, which is something a lot of people wish to believe.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 10:17 AM (b3VIz)

138 Prange refutes that FDR knew about
Pearl and let it happen. Our blind spot was underestimating the Japanese


Father Hate used to get the American Legion magazine and I picked up a random copy one day and started reading exactly about that. To an impressionable young mind it was "holy fucking shit" fare. I think I even mentioned it to my dad and he kind of gave me a you can't believe everything someone might write and it doesn't change what happened anyway. I thought that was a measured response since I knew he thought Saint Delano was a gimp pile of shit and borderline commie.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 10:17 AM (y7DUB)

139 Admiral Chiuchi Naguma
Robert Steward, Viscount Castlereagh
Hannibal Barca
Marcus Pocius Cato Minor
Jeffrey Epstein

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Did you guess which thing is not like the others?
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
If you guessed Epstein is not like the others
Then you're absolutely....right!

Posted by: Eeyore at November 17, 2019 10:17 AM (ZbwAu)

140
g'mornin, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 10:17 AM (IBlr5)

141 9/11 was like Pearl Harbor in that they were both hiding in plain sight in a plethora of possibilities

With 9/11 we had the added problem that the CIA couldn't talk to the FBI about true matters of national security concern. Thank you Jamie Gorelick, peace be unto her

My pet theory is that because the CIA couldn't talk to the FBI, they went to Bush 43 the month before to tell him that a bin Laden attack was imminent in the hopes that he'd go to the FBI. The light bulb didn't go off

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 10:18 AM (4vWPM)

142 I've spent a lot of time this week on the internet researching various aspects of handloading ammo. The basics are simple enough but I've been checking into specific calibers for specific purposes, substituting one powder for another, and a bunch of other matters. It's an important part of the hobby for me and a lot of fun.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 10:18 AM (bmdz3)

143 I thought that was a measured response since I knew he thought Saint Delano was a gimp pile of shit and borderline commie.
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There's no hate like Captain Hate hate. Bravo.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 10:18 AM (Dc2NZ)

144 "Second Guessing History" would be one thick read.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 10:21 AM (RuIsu)

145
Politician books: anybody have a recommendation on books about Putin? I know quite a bit about him, but I'd like to know more, as he's he's one of a handful of interesting Russian autocrats.

The Russian people are easy to rule, because they will usually obey, even if they hate you. But it's an exceptionally dangerous country to rule, because of its eternal boyar class and it's bottomless capacity for treachery.

The rare leader who can command the obedience of the ruling class and the love of the people simultaneously is rare.

So I'm looking for a deep dive - I know the high points of the political story, so I want a detailed account of that, but I also want a picture of who this intensely private man is as a person.

And I want to read an objective account - I know he's a thug. I don't need some politicized, Putin-is-a-monster agitprop screed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 10:21 AM (5aX2M)

146 I also want to note that Hogmartin was taken aback by how many books I have. Aghast. Amazed.

Like I have a problem or something.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 10:16 AM (Dc2NZ)


Impressed, maybe. Shamed, even.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 10:21 AM (t+qrx)

147 Fulminating against "arms merchants" lets you blame
Third World violence on wealthy Western countries, which is something a
lot of people wish to believe.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 10:17 AM (b3VIz)

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Yes, but there's also something to be said for drop-dead stupidity.

Example: Our main character is a British Army vet with two tours in Iraq. This is supposed to make him competent and sympathetic, I guess. Also a true, altruistic patriot.

It also makes him stupid, because when he gets the arms guide, the movie shows his brow furrowing in horror at standard-issue weapons like rocket launchers. Oh, the horror! He never knew how *deadly* these awful things were.

There's also a page showing "sarin gas." Yeah, nerve agent. Literally everyone in every Western military gets fully briefed on this crap, but no, they have Hiddleston read it like it's the Necronomicon and he's found an elemental evil he never dreamed of! Ia! Ia! C'thulhu f'thgan!

*I'm talking about The Night Manager TV adaptation for those trying to keep up. I've changed topics quite a bit.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 10:22 AM (cfSRQ)

148 Ignoramus - yeah those were good times, under Barky of course the FBI and CIA conspired together to start a soft coup.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 10:22 AM (ZCEU2)

149 My pet theory is that because the CIA couldn't talk to the FBI, they went to Bush 43 the month before to tell him that a bin Laden attack was imminent in the hopes that he'd go to the FBI. The light bulb didn't go off
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 10:18 AM (4vWPM)


Or, as has been said, some lower level Fibbers got wind of these expired visa guys who might be up to something, they sent it up the chain, and the bosses ignored it, because they were too busy looking for the next Timothy McVeigh and/or Randy Weaver.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 10:23 AM (hku12)

150 Impressed, maybe. Shamed, even.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 10:21 AM (t+qrx)

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The shame is part of the kink.

Or so I've heard.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 10:24 AM (cfSRQ)

151 134
Romantic couple emerging from book:

==

those are characters from the tv series Outlander, based on the books by Diana Gabaldon

the books are quite good! the series is almost as good

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 10:25 AM (G546f)

152 *I'm talking about The Night Manager TV adaptation for those trying to keep up. I've changed topics quite a bit.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 10:22 AM (cfSRQ)

John Le Carre again.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 10:25 AM (H8QX8)

153 And I want to read an objective account - I know he's a thug. I don't need some politicized, Putin-is-a-monster agitprop screed.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 10:21 AM (5aX2M)


No Putin recommendations, but Robert Massie's book on Pete the Great is a fine tale of what you are referring to, the rare giant (literally and figuratively) who can both rule in a hive of treachery, and an apparent love for his people.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 10:27 AM (hku12)

154 I look forward to the illustrations OM includes each week. They are delightful. Thanks, OM for them and the whole thread. It is a highlight of my week.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 10:28 AM (bmdz3)

155 books by conservative authors must not be allowed to deteriorate into some sort of mirror___ 'woke' thing and purity enforcement where all the right boxes have to be checked in order for a book to be accepted. This is what the left does, and we don't want any sort of rigidly enforced ideological requirements
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Absolutely true. I recall C S Lewis made a similar point about Christian writing.

But I'm not too worried about it. One thing I realized in the 60s is that "conservatism" is simply not an ideology, but a constellation of very different views. We differ from one another far too much for that. Rand and Chambers and Jaffa and Kendall made for a very various group. (It's a shame Kendall died after writing only a few chapters of his "Sages" book.)

In fact, one of the pre-2016 problems I had with NR - the reason I stopped subscribing - was the increasing uniformity of opinion, under the name of "fusionism". And I note that the worst offenders there have mostly gone full Never Trump. And those who didn't were the dissenters, Straussians, Thomists, Burkeans, even the older sort of libertarians and neocons have held out.

(Yes, necons. Look at Norman Podhoretz.)

Posted by: Eeyore at November 17, 2019 10:29 AM (ZbwAu)

156 143 >> My theory is that the CIA knew there were subversives in country but figured it was a domestic issue. The FBI was just spectacularly incompetent in following up on what should have been an apparent (although seemingly separate) terror cell.

When it went down, it was an order of magnitude worse than either agency ever expected and the CIA pointed the finger at GW and the FBI, citing policy and procedure. The fact that the FBI escorted key Saudis to the airport to waiting planes indicates to me that they knew who was responsible as soon as it happened.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 17, 2019 10:29 AM (hkouz)

157 Saw Midway. Its good. Slow in slow the second act

Doolittle is in it. Someone says he's the best pilot in the world. Had broken air speed records. FFS he invented instrument flying. Rattled the Japanese Empire by doing the impossible. MacArthur then banished him to the European theater

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 10:30 AM (4vWPM)

158 Posted by: Builder Berg at November 17, 2019 09:20 AM (+Yu7u)

Just for clarification, this is not me. But we do see each other at the secret meetings. Oops, forget I said that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 10:30 AM (qc+VF)

159 Biblioteca Vasconcelos, Mexico City, Mexico

Murph!
Murph!

Posted by: Cooper at November 17, 2019 10:30 AM (aS1PU)

160 Gonna drop this here before I go.

At yesterday evening winery gig a gal commented to the bass player - "You guys sound great. I can't believe you can play all of that without any sheet music."

Heh, good thing I'm the drummer. My music reading ability is F, A, C, E and E, G, B, D, F.
Even then my lips move.
Wish I could post a pic of the place I took while on break.
Seats 90.
Gig was 4 - 7.
By ten after four it was SRO.

Have a great one!!

Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 10:30 AM (B2OlB)

161 Why is there a horrific giant Lovcraftian horror sitting in the middle of the stairs towards the back of the library??

Posted by: notofthebody at November 17, 2019 10:30 AM (pMTKZ)

162 That's like a Sing Sing for books.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 09:02 AM (Dc2NZ)


Looks like the Galactic Federation Lockup

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 10:31 AM (1glZx)

163 That's like a Sing Sing for books.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

Well, if you insist......

"Aunt Jemima waffles without her syrup

Is like a tranny without his balls

There's only one thing worse

In this universe

Epstein didn't kill himself AT ALL !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 10:32 AM (arJlL)

164 Could be that busting Italians and Irish was the approved route to promotion in the FBI.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 10:32 AM (RuIsu)

165 How about giving a list of conservative (accurate,true) history books for children? Christmas is coming up I'd like to get some for grandkids.

Posted by: Rick9911 at November 17, 2019 10:33 AM (kYa/C)

166 36 I just finished a really fun book: _The Book of Swindles_, by Zhang Yingyu (translated by Christopher Rea and Bruce Rusk). It was written around the time of the Jamestown colony, and it's a compendium of con games and dodges in Ming China.

Highly recommended.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:13 AM (b3VIz)
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Given my fondness for Judge Dee, I'll have to check that out. Most of the Dee plots were from Ming originals.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 17, 2019 10:33 AM (ZbwAu)

167 Same thing with watching "Christian" movies. Hard to endure. The most impressively Christian movie I've ever seen was "Henry Poole is Here," written and directed by some old-school liberals. How did it happen? Not sure, but that they saw it as a compelling story, and they were right.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 10:34 AM (H8QX8)

168 Looking for the race schedule and seeing start of Snuffy, what a Leftist tool, listening to him its a wonder Trump hasn't been impeached already.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 10:34 AM (ZCEU2)

169
So that is where G.M warehouses it's cheap replacemnt parts for it's Mexican built NoVas!

a cheerless vertical rat maze of a "building" they must have hired a charmless Finnish Architect...bring back the Aztec guys.....................any books on CARTELS Oh they are ALL OUT.

Posted by: saf at November 17, 2019 10:34 AM (5IHGB)

170 Eeyore: a couple of the cases make reference to a famous Judge Bao. Same guy?

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 10:34 AM (b3VIz)

171 Saw Midway. Its good. Slow in slow the second act
Posted by: Ignoramus

Hey, I finally saw it yesterday too! I've been reading the Ian Toll/James F? books (I'm wrapping up Flood Tide) and really wanted a good movie of Midway. Still too much human interest nonsense, but far superior to the 80's version with Chuck Heston.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at November 17, 2019 10:35 AM (VNfwt)

172 Mentioned recently, but I'd love to see a realistic story (book, movie, play) about D-day from the perspective of four or five women who have never met but whose lives are tied together from history coming to a sharp point on that morning.

Nurses, moms, girl friends, French women who react as the same.

A true story about girl power.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 10:35 AM (0GvUH)

173 136 I also want to note that Hogmartin was taken aback by how many books I have. Aghast. Amazed.

Like I have a problem or something.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 17, 2019 10:16 AM (Dc2NZ)


Heh. We've seen your library. I posted the pics.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 10:36 AM (3Ame7)

174 MacArthur then banished him to the European theater-

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He was made head of the Eighth Air Force and bombed Germany to its knees.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 10:36 AM (+y/Ru)

175
Back from a constitutional with the lovely and lively Mrs naturalfake.

Now to wander upthread and see what I missed.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 10:38 AM (kauXV)

176 161 Why is there a horrific giant Lovcraftian horror sitting in the middle of the stairs towards the back of the library??

Posted by: notofthebody at November 17, 2019 10:30 AM (pMTKZ)


Forget it, Jake. It's Mexico.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 10:38 AM (3Ame7)

177 Same thing with watching "Christian" movies. Hard to
endure. The most impressively Christian movie I've ever seen was "Henry
Poole is Here," written and directed by some old-school liberals. How
did it happen? Not sure, but that they saw it as a compelling story, and
they were right.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 10:34 AM (H8QX

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"Risen" is very good. Watched it several times and enjoy it.

The portrayal of the apostles is wonderful - just spaced out, tripping, can't believe what they've been through.

See also: Charlton Heston, "Ben Hur." "Quo Vadis" is also solid.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 10:41 AM (cfSRQ)

178 He was made head of the Eighth Air Force and bombed Germany to its knees.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 10:36 AM (+y/Ru)


When the P-51 was introduced as a bomber escort, he gave to order to not just hang with the bombers but also go out and pursue the Germans before they could get to the bombers.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 10:41 AM (aS1PU)

179 Actually the miniseries was more subtle

Posted by: gaius martius at November 17, 2019 10:42 AM (hMlTh)

180 52
Then I started a re-read of "Three Men In A Boat" by Jerome K. Jerome. This must be the third time I've read it and I still laugh out loud at the same sections. The dead pan delivery of the humor and silliness adds to the comedy. I wonder if it was an influence on PG Wodehouse and Cleveland Amory.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:20 AM (bmdz3)
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Have you tried his sequel, Three Men on a Bummel (or On Wheels). About a bicycle trip in Germany. Just as funny. There's a great chapter on German Law.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 17, 2019 10:44 AM (ZbwAu)

181 I'm intrigued by how the Cabal came together. It wasn't just "the FBI conspired with the CIA." Many of the actors met in the aftermath of 9/11 and developed personal relationships. Much of it was a tight small circle

Sztrok was the go-to errand boy. He can give up a lot, if he sings

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 10:45 AM (4vWPM)

182
Has anyone here read "Invitation to a Beheading" by Nabokov?

I have, Captain Hate.

Once upon a time, when I was reading all things Nabokov,

it was one of my faves of his.

As you say, Kafkaesque but with a unique flavor, probably from Gogol. Maybe influenced by someone like Andre Biely (and his masterwork, "St Petersburg").

It's been so long though that I don't remember it in detail, so...........Yay! I get to read it again.*






*I can't stand rereading where I know everything that coming. My rereads are few and far between.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 10:45 AM (kauXV)

183 I noticed that Midway was produced with Chinese money. Now, if Netflix and it's Korean and Chinese language movies have taught me anything, it's that the Koreans and Chinese absolutely HATE the Japanese. Therefore, the Japanese were not portrayed in a particularly sympathetic manner. I didn't expect that.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at November 17, 2019 10:46 AM (VNfwt)

184 Saw Midway. It's worth the admission. Only two thoughts. First, it could of been 10 minutes longer just to flesh out the earlier actions.
Two, the costumes SUCKED. Horrible fitting, dirty, wrinkled. I have pictures of my ol man at Pearl Harbor and no one was that sloppy.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2019 10:46 AM (axyOa)

185 How about giving a list of conservative (accurate,true) history books for children? Christmas is coming up I'd like to get some for grandkids.
Posted by: Rick9911 at November 17, 2019 10:33 AM (kYa/C)

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Paul Johnson:

History of The Jews
History of Christianity
History of the American People
Churchill
Napoleon: A Life
Intellectuals
Modern Times

All of these are good, and there are many more, but the last is indispensable. Get a newer edition, as it includes updates for the end of the cold war.

Now, also - Shirer was a socialist, but he does his best to keep it out of his straight historical works, and he was a moderate socialist of the old school, so this stuff is right-wing propaganda by modern standards because it sticks to the facts:

The Collapse of the Third Republic
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
The Nightmare Years
The Sinking of the Bismarck

For a less objective, more personal account, Berlin Diary.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 10:46 AM (5aX2M)

186 OT but amusing. Pete Buttguy give himself surprise anal.

https://bit.ly/33XQJOW

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 10:47 AM (+y/Ru)

187 170 Eeyore: a couple of the cases make reference to a famous Judge Bao. Same guy?
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 10:34 AM (b3VIz)
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Different guy. There is a Chinese tradition of mysteries, in which (according to Van Gulik's end notes) the judges are interchangeable. He chose Dee because he was the most famous.

Dee was an actual 7th C magistrate. I think Bao (or Pao) came later. The best of the Van Gulik ones is a straight translation (Celebrated Cases Solved by Judge Dee), but the earlier ones are all good. You can tell them by the titles; they are all "The Chinese X Mystery". Later, the quality falls off.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 17, 2019 10:47 AM (ZbwAu)

188 "Risen" is very good. Watched it several times and enjoy it.
The portrayal of the apostles is wonderful - just spaced out, tripping, can't believe what they've been through.

See also: Charlton Heston, "Ben Hur." "Quo Vadis" is also solid.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 10:41 AM (cfSRQ)


http://www.christiancinema.com. Pay-per-view Christian movies. The quality ranges from pretty bad to OK. Sometimes I get tired of the nihilism of mainstream movies and want to take a break and eatch something where my values are affirmed.

For example, dramas based around the evils of human trafficking. Not gun running. The one we watched, Priceless, was actually one of the better Christian movies we had seen.

Has there been a mainstream movie about the trafficking of sex slaves?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 10:50 AM (3Ame7)

189 Has there been a mainstream movie about the human trafficking of sex slaves?

How about movies funded by the human trafficking of sex slaves?

Posted by: the Disney Corporation at November 17, 2019 10:52 AM (ykYG2)

190 Love that Mayor Pete is surging. He only has limited appeal, mostly in places that are already Deep Blue. He's box office poison elsewhere

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 10:52 AM (4vWPM)

191 In the last coupla weeks I read the latest Reacher novel, Blue Moon, by Lee Child.


OwoooooOOOOOOOOOO !

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 10:52 AM (arJlL)

192
Has there been a mainstream movie about the trafficking of sex slaves?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 10:50 AM


a documentary about Hollywood?

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 10:53 AM (IBlr5)

193 pursue the Germans before they could get to the bombers.

And after, all the way back to their bases. He knew he needed to kill the pilots.

Posted by: Jean at November 17, 2019 10:53 AM (TT5JW)

194 Taken. It was a French production, not Hollywood, which is why it's Harsh

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 10:53 AM (4vWPM)

195 Stock pics from Kenya?
Now that's funny.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 10:53 AM (RuIsu)

196 Paul Johnson:
History of The Jews
History of Christianity
History of the American People
Churchill
Napoleon: A Life
Intellectuals
Modern Times

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 10:46 AM (5aX2M)


All of these are good, but the request was for history books specifically for children. Regrettably, I don't think these qualify.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 10:53 AM (3Ame7)

197 @158
My golden baby was overcooked

Posted by: Builder Berg at November 17, 2019 10:54 AM (0VhWt)

198 Has there been a mainstream movie about the trafficking of sex slaves?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious

Taken

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 10:54 AM (5aX2M)

199 I just reread "Captain Bligh's Portable Nightmare: From the Bounty to Safety 4,162 Miles Across the Pacific in a Rowing Boat."

An amazing story. The title alone should entice you. Trust me on this one.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 17, 2019 10:54 AM (PkVlr)

200 Thanks OM for the book thread. All I can say about that library is it looks ugly as hell and, being in Mexico, will never see me darken its door.

I think what Pearl Harbor conspiracy theorists miss is that had the Navy and Air Corps, with Roosevelt directing, would've had every fighter in the air ready to go. Every bomber loaded and set, the PBY's out looking and every AA gun cocked and locked. A failed attack on the islands would've been as much a declaration of war as the successful attack was.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 10:54 AM (Tt761)

201 Love that Mayor Pete is surging. He only has limited appeal, mostly in places that are already Deep Blue. He's box office poison elsewhere
Posted by: Ignoramus

He polls below actual slave overseers amount black males

Posted by: Jean at November 17, 2019 10:54 AM (TT5JW)

202 Oh. Great pants.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2019 10:55 AM (axyOa)

203 Saw Midway. It's worth the admission. Only two thoughts. First, it could of been 10 minutes longer just to flesh out the earlier actions.
Two, the costumes SUCKED. Horrible fitting, dirty, wrinkled. I have pictures of my ol man at Pearl Harbor and no one was that sloppy.

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Critics hated it. The only reason I can figure is that the US is presented as the good guys and there are no trannies, homos, or other exalted creatures leading the way.

I don't quite know why, having seen many WWII planes in real life and having seen many in movies, but for some reason the planes struck me as very primitive, much when I watch WWI movies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 10:55 AM (+y/Ru)

204 You Were Never Really Here isn't exactly mainstream but a human trafficking/pedo ring is a big part of the plot.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 10:56 AM (NWiLs)

205 All of these are good, but the request was for history books specifically for children. Regrettably, I don't think these qualify.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 10:53 AM (3Ame7)

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Sure they do. They're written for a broad audience, and I read them as a kid. A kid won't get everything - they'll need to read them again later, but they'll want to.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 10:56 AM (5aX2M)

206 198 Has there been a mainstream movie about the trafficking of sex slaves?


there is a Russian one. it's absolutely devastating - let me look it up. I think came out late 90s or early aughts, named after the girl - Lilya 4 Ever or something

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 10:57 AM (Rarvo)

207 Ds Impeachment argument is based on Trump improperly trying to get dirt on the Bidens

Wait for the reveal that Joe and Hunter are crooked as fuck. My bet is that it happens in the must see Senate trial

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 10:57 AM (4vWPM)

208 184 Saw Midway. It's worth the admission. Only two thoughts. First, it could of been 10 minutes longer just to flesh out the earlier actions.
Two, the costumes SUCKED. Horrible fitting, dirty, wrinkled. I have pictures of my ol man at Pearl Harbor and no one was that sloppy.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2019 10:46 AM (axyOa)

That doesn't actually seem too off the mark, especially so early in the war.

I haven't seen it yet, but did they have a few folks mixed in there wearing "grays" amongst all the khakis? It was an Ernest King thing - he was trying to change out khaki to gray, and there was a mix for a couple of years. Didn't take.

If that was in there, the moviemakers did their homework.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 17, 2019 10:57 AM (0eE0g)

209 Has there been a mainstream movie about the trafficking of sex slaves?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader,

Mira Sorvino did one years ago. Not sure if was made for tv though

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 17, 2019 10:58 AM (G546f)

210
I checked. I haven't bought a book, paper or electronic, since October.

Wow. I picked up an old textbook, *Linear Operator Theory* by Naylor and Sell and consequently realized I am no smarter than I was 30 years ago. :^(

Most recently accessed books on this kindle app are *El Principe de la Niebla* (still), a fluffy fun-read by Ilona Andrews, and *Introduction to Kettlebells* by Pat Flynn. In other words, no progress at all on the "New Reading Habit I am Not Embarrassed By" program.

I did buy my third copy of *Pirates of Penzance* DVD (Kevin Kline!), so that's a plus.

Posted by: sinmi at November 17, 2019 10:59 AM (A5IVt)

211 I did buy my third copy of *Pirates of Penzance* DVD (Kevin Kline!), so that's a plus.
Posted by: sinmi at November 17, 2019 10:59 AM (A5IVt)


That's a great production.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 10:59 AM (NWiLs)

212 Lilya 4-Ever

I'm linking in my nic. It's EXCELLENT. Absolutely heartbreaking.

I also think tangentially Tigers Are Not Afraid is about human trafficking but Lilya is directly the story of a girl who ends up being trafficked out of Estonia

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:00 AM (Rarvo)

213 If that was in there, the moviemakers did their homework.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer

I don't remember that. A quibble I have is the actor who portrayed Dick Best is a Brit. A Brit who has not mastered the Yank accent.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at November 17, 2019 11:00 AM (VNfwt)

214 Charity begins at home.

Al Sharpton Gets $1M In Pay From His Own Charity, Tax Filings Show

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:00 AM (+y/Ru)

215 I was reading ZOO by James Patterson/Michael Ledwidge.

Some parts of the book are riveting.

Other parts, I' like to reach into the book and SMACK the protagonist for being an oblivious lunkhead.

I haven't finished it yet, but I suspect its gonna have one of them "Dead guy on a dictaphone endings"

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 11:00 AM (arJlL)

216 I'd call those books 5th grade+ (if the kid is interested in history).

If they're not, and you're trying to get them interested, something more "fun" might be in order.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 11:01 AM (5aX2M)

217 How about giving a list of conservative (accurate,true) history books for children? Christmas is coming up I'd like to get some for grandkids.

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We were fortunate to find the entire Enrichment of America series by Carpenter at a library sale for $5. It is a history of each state into modern times (at the time the late 60s). It's matter of fact and doesn't include modern sensitivies. It was probably a 5th grade level series at the time but would be a 10th grade book now.

The individual states are on eBay for $5 or so. Might be worth finding yours.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 11:01 AM (0GvUH)

218 Pope Francis Considers Introducing 'Sin Against Ecology' To Church's Catechism

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Thou shalt not doubt climate change.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:02 AM (+y/Ru)

219 DJT knew/knows how crooked BidenCorp is. The "investigation" was not based on a tabloid grade hunch.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 11:02 AM (RuIsu)

220 FWIW, I have just started rereading "The Odyssey" after more than 29 years. So far, it is as good as I remember. My only minor complaint is that the translation I'm reading uses Roman god names and Odysseus is called Ulysses.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 11:02 AM (aS1PU)

221 Oh. Great pants.

"Do these pants make my boobs look small ?"

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 11:03 AM (arJlL)

222 I guess 5th grade and up is considered "YA," though, huh? That didn't used to be its own category, so I forget about it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 11:03 AM (5aX2M)

223 218 Pope Francis Considers Introducing 'Sin Against Ecology' To Church's Catechism

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Thou shalt not doubt climate change.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:02 AM (+y/Ru)

That sounds like a violation of the first commandment. Maybe the second as well.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)

224 Has there been a mainstream movie about the trafficking of sex slaves?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious

Taken
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 10:54 AM (5aX2M)


There are dozens of these movies, and I can't see the point of watching a fictional drama, when there are also several very very good documentaries on the subject.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 11:04 AM (hku12)

225 184 Saw Midway. It's worth the admission. Only two thoughts. First, it could of been 10 minutes longer just to flesh out the earlier actions.
Two, the costumes SUCKED. Horrible fitting, dirty, wrinkled. I have pictures of my ol man at Pearl Harbor and no one was that sloppy.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2019
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Truth. While watching some movie on the tube (early 70s), tho the crew was in tee-shirts and shorts cleaning the ship, the scene had (two or three) officers walking from the ship to pier, my Old Salt father commented on their attire 'They'd never get away with dress like that in port'.

Posted by: socalcon at November 17, 2019 11:04 AM (Roy2Z)

226 Past 100 and I am not finished with any books recently. However:

Ayn Rand did not like libertarians, however libertarian thought does look to Ayn Rand and objectivism.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 11:04 AM (1glZx)

227 Love that Mayor Pete is surging. He only has limited appeal, mostly in places that are already Deep Blue. He's box office poison elsewhere

Posted by: Ignoramus

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Large numbers of blacks are openly saying they won't vote for him because he's gay.

(pops popcorn, wonders why that movie never seems to start)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - You don't stop lawlessness by obeying the law but by enforcing it at November 17, 2019 11:04 AM (PRN3w)

228 A couple of notes on You Were Never Really Here. If you like Joaquin Phoenix, you need to see it. It's also very dark.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 11:05 AM (NWiLs)

229 I don't remember that. A quibble I have is the actor who portrayed Dick Best is a Brit. A Brit who has not mastered the Yank accent.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at November 17, 2019 11:00 AM (VNfwt)


Damian Lewis' accent slips a few times playing Dick Winters. It's a heck of a job, though.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 11:06 AM (t+qrx)

230 There are dozens of these movies, and I can't see the point of watching a fictional drama, when there are also several very very good documentaries on the subject.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 17

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What's one you'd recommend?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 11:06 AM (5aX2M)

231 Alas, vmom, I'm not a physics professor at Georgia Tech, but my nerd credentials are secure in my current position as the Principal Scientist of the Geeks and Nerds Corporation.

I strongly concur with 0.87c's comment that Declan Finn's St. Tommy stories are like a Catholic version of Monster Hunter, but you don't have to be Catholic to enjoy them.

There are a number of great stories in Moron-author Daniel Humphrey's Places Beyond the Wild anthology. Humphreys has reworked the zombie genre, writing stories about heroic survivors banding together to overcome existential threats. My contribution, "Timeline Zulu" is more of a SF/mystery/procedural in a Hidden Truth, Z-Day crossover universe. My hero, Pete Burdell, and his alternate timeline twin team up to figure out what's going on, and they marshal the resources of the multiverse to try to fix the zombie outbreak. I hope it will help Hidden Truth fans hold out until I can get Book 4, A Hell of an Engineer done.

I'll second Libby Sternberg's thanks for the support of the Ace of Spades HQ Blog and the Moron Horde who follow the recommendations and check out the indie authors Oregon Muse and the Horde recommend. It's made a huge difference in my writing career getting the boost this blog provides. Thank you all.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at November 17, 2019 11:07 AM (FXjhj)

232
So my burnt umber herringbone golf plus fours are chicken liver ? Well there are a few stains here & THERE!!! FORE.....

where are the HOT mehican Libraribimbos por favor or por whateffer???

Posted by: saf at November 17, 2019 11:07 AM (5IHGB)

233 Damian Lewis' accent slips a few times playing Dick Winters. It's a heck of a job, though.
Posted by: hogmartin

Oh, heck, yes. I remember watching it for the first time and I had no idea he wasn't American. I thought, "where's this guy been? He's good".

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at November 17, 2019 11:08 AM (VNfwt)

234 216 I'd call those books 5th grade+ (if the kid is interested in history).
If they're not, and you're trying to get them interested, something more "fun" might be in order.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 11:01 AM (5aX2M)


Right. "Kid" is a bit ambiguous. It can be anyone from age 4 or 5 to age 16 or 17. So the Paul Johnson books you suggested would be fine for the upper range, perhaps not so much for the lower.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 11:08 AM (3Ame7)

235 That Mayor Pete movie will start in South Carolina

Deval Patrick is a dark horse if Biden implodes

He's on with Chuck Todd who has open disdain

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 11:09 AM (4vWPM)

236 180n... "Have you tried his sequel, Three Men on a Bummel (or On Wheels). About a bicycle trip in Germany. Just as funny. There's a great chapter on German Law."

eeyore, I haven't read that one yet or the "Thoughts of an Idel Fellow. I may just order a good paper version with all three. If the other two books are half as fun as "In a Boat", they will be winners.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 11:09 AM (bmdz3)

237 I still remember the interview with the agent who let in Atta et al. to their flight at Logan. His first thought was "that's a terrorist" and then he chided himself for racism, etc. He was just sick at his part in 9/11. I hope he is okay.

Posted by: PJ at November 17, 2019 11:09 AM (qlTN9)

238 I know Rush Limbaugh did a series of Am. Hist. books for *small* children too young for Johnson or Shirer, that were well received.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 11:09 AM (5aX2M)

239 Same thing with watching "Christian" movies. Hard to endure. The most impressively Christian movie I've ever seen was "Henry Poole is Here," written and directed by some old-school liberals. How did it happen? Not sure, but that they saw it as a compelling story, and they were right.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 10:34 AM (H8QX



Yeah, that's the thing. If you set out to write a "conservative" and/or "Christian" movie/novet/etc.

And that's your goal.

Well, you can succeed regardless of how interesting or compelling the story is.

Look at the new "Charlie's Angels" - a complete progressive fymynyst success!

As entertainment? Not so much.

Same dealio as "clapter" comedians.

My personal theory is that characters and story always take precedence over "message" or philosophy, politics, etc.

Message, philosophy, and politics are all big boys, they don't need to be lallygagging and free-loading on my prose. Thank you very much.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 11:10 AM (kauXV)

240 Hadrian the VIIth, thank you for the rec of Nothing Superfluous by Fr. James Jackson.

Dr. Scott Hahn is a great source of writings explaining Catholic practices and doctrine and he does an excellent job of connecting both the Old Testament and New Testament to the Mass.

An excellent read is The Fourth Cup, by Dr. Hahn. Explains how Jesus' acceptance of the bitter wine from the hyssop branch while on the Cross just before He died was His drinking of the fourth cup of wine of the traditional Passover meal (which had begun the night before, of course), and signified the completion of that meal - and the foundation of the New Covenant.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 17, 2019 11:10 AM (bQngX)

241 have just started rereading "The Odyssey" after more than 29 years.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 11:02 AM (aS1PU)

Try a different translation...it will make all the difference in the world.

I recommend Robert Fagles' version, which I think is the best one!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 11:11 AM (wYseH)

242 Deval Patrick is what Obama pretended to be. Raised poor on Chicago Southside. He's really smart. Not pretty pretend smart

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 11:11 AM (4vWPM)

243 Oh, KID kid history:

Magic tree house

There's tons of them, too. From civil war to space race.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 11:12 AM (0GvUH)

244 Thou shalt not doubt climate change.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:02 AM (+y/Ru)

That sounds like a violation of the first commandment. Maybe the second as well.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)


Heh. I concur. You know, as a Protestant, I must say I had a lot of respect for JPII and Benedict. But this new commie pope? Not so much.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 11:12 AM (3Ame7)

245 Libraries are not like other buildings. Books are heavy -- really heavy.

Posted by: cpurick at November 17, 2019 11:13 AM (7YrFp)

246 It's been so long though that I don't remember it in detail, so...........Yay! I get to read it again.*






*I can't stand rereading where I know everything that coming. My rereads are few and far between.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 10:45 AM (kauXV)


Yeah but you get to re-experience something that appealed to you and appreciate the set up. Plus there are always details that have faded. Nabokov his own self said you don't really read a book until you reread it. Be so guided, young man.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 11:13 AM (y7DUB)

247 I recommend Robert Fagles' version, which I think is the best one!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

I'm reading Robert Fagles' Iliad.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at November 17, 2019 11:13 AM (VNfwt)

248 219 DJT knew/knows how crooked BidenCorp is. The "investigation" was not based on a tabloid grade hunch.
Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 11:02 AM
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Corporate bribery is an unspoken rule in most nations outside the US. DC miscreants are well aware of that--why else would JugEars sh*tcan all ambassadors in 2009 and replace them as rewards to his donors/supporters?

WaPo 12-03-2008 By Glenn Kessler
The incoming Obama administration has notified all politically-appointed ambassadors that they must vacate their posts as of Jan. 20, the day President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office, a State Department official said.

The clean slate will open up prime opportunities for the president-elect to reward political supporters with posts in London, Paris, Tokyo and the like. The notice to diplomatic posts was issued this week.

Nation Press: {crickets}

Posted by: socalcon at November 17, 2019 11:14 AM (Roy2Z)

249 Has there been a mainstream movie about the trafficking of sex slaves?

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We watch a lot of British crime shows and police procedural series. Seems like every other one has a human trafficking story line, either as the main plot or a side story.

Currently watching Season 5 of Shetland, which has been a good series the first four. This one has a human trafficking/prostitution ring based in a fish processing plant on Shetland holding a Nigerian girl captive on the island. We haven't learned yet why the Nigerian girl was on a small island in the North Sea, but I'm sure there's a good reason. Seems odd for that particular setting, but we shall see.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2019 11:15 AM (m45I2)

250 Reading "Enterprise" by Barret Tillman. A history of USS Enterprise CV-6. It is a goof fast read for a history of the war in the Pacific, and The Big E. I recommend it as an introduction to the subject of the ship and the personalities that made up the crew.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 17, 2019 11:16 AM (SIV8g)

251 You can find a lot of Jerome K. Jerome's books on Gutenberg.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 11:16 AM (1glZx)

252 have just started rereading "The Odyssey" after more than 29 years.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 11:02 AM (aS1PU)

Try a different translation...it will make all the difference in the world.

I recommend Robert Fagles' version, which I think is the best one!

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I've been reading Caroline Alexander's translation of The Illiad and quite like it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:16 AM (+y/Ru)

253 238 I know Rush Limbaugh did a series of Am. Hist. books for *small* children too young for Johnson or Shirer, that were well received.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 11:09 AM (5aX2M)


Yes. Doing a search for "Rush Revere" on Amazon will get you his 4-book set.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 11:17 AM (3Ame7)

254 Mira Sorvino can make a sex slave outta me anytime AND FILM IT... Salve Salve SALVE.

Posted by: saf at November 17, 2019 11:17 AM (5IHGB)

255 Deval Patrick is what Obama pretended to be. Raised poor on Chicago Southside. He's really smart. Not pretty pretend smart
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 17, 2019 11:11 AM (4vWPM)


His father was longtime Sun Ra Arkestra saxophonist Laurdine "Pat" Patrick. I'm sure Pat was a better musician than father since Coupe Deval won't talk about him.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 11:17 AM (y7DUB)

256 Saw Midway. It's worth the admission. Only two thoughts. First, it could of been 10 minutes longer just to flesh out the earlier actions.
Two, the costumes SUCKED. Horrible fitting, dirty, wrinkled. I have pictures of my ol man at Pearl Harbor and no one was that sloppy.

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Critics hated it. The only reason I can figure is that the US is presented as the good guys and there are no trannies, homos, or other exalted creatures leading the way.

I don't quite know why, having seen many WWII planes in real life and having seen many in movies, but for some reason the planes struck me as very primitive, much when I watch WWI movies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 10:55 AM (+y/Ru)


Critics hate it because it's a Roland Emmerich film.

I haven't seen any of the recent WWII movies. The CGI doesn't appeal to me, and I have no interest in the human interest aspects of these movies.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 11:18 AM (hku12)

257 There are dozens of these movies, and I can't see the point of watching a fictional drama, when there are also several very very good documentaries on the subject.


I hear this but sometimes dramatization is more poignant and impactful

Lilya 4-Ever was created by Sweden as part of a public effort to shine a spotlight on trafficking of immigrant girls. It is VERY gritty and realistic, and based on real cases.

I think for me (female) I always get more from a normal film treatment than from a documentary, which always feels just sort of slow and biased (not that dramatizations aren't!)

ALSO - there are excellent Christian films you just have to dig.

Jesus of Montreal is one.

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:18 AM (Rarvo)

258 His father was longtime Sun Ra Arkestra saxophonist Laurdine "Pat" Patrick. I'm sure Pat was a better musician than father since Coupe Deval won't talk about him.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 11:17 AM (y7DUB)


Hey, did you ever read any of Harvey Pekar's 'American Splendor' comics?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 11:19 AM (3Ame7)

259 Sharpy probably deducted the cost of his salary to/from himself. Or wrote it off as bad debt. Or both.

Posted by: klaftern at November 17, 2019 11:19 AM (RuIsu)

260 I've been reading Bretz's Flood by John Soennichsen.
It tells the story of J Harlen Bretz a geologist in the 1920's who looked at Eastern Washington and came up with the idea of the great Ice Age floods as carving the landscape. I live here so it's very interesting. Bretz was derided for years by the geologists in academia because of his ideas.
At that time the idea of catastrophic events causing change were derided as, "Biblical and not Scientific". Yeah, no, not so much.
What I really find fascinating is how the academics felt that field work and observations were no longer needed because they already knew how the world worked.
Because... shut up peasant. He managed to outlive most of his critics and was vindicated in the end. He does have some quirks as do we all, but he is a pretty sympathetic character in general.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2019 11:19 AM (Tt761)

261
Were Jeromes' parents stutterers..........Que!

Posted by: saf at November 17, 2019 11:19 AM (5IHGB)

262 Deval Patrick is really smart and if the Dems were smart they'd be getting him ready to lead

the other similar very smart politician I don't get why they don't push more is Mike Nutter. He's actually pretty great, moderate, sharp.

Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:20 AM (Rarvo)

263 There are dozens of these movies, and I can't see the point of watching a fictional drama, when there are also several very very good documentaries on the subject.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 17

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What's one you'd recommend?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 11:06 AM (5aX2M)


"While No One Is Watching," it's on Amazon Prime for free.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 11:21 AM (hku12)

264 244. SO SO pleasantly surprised to hear our priest sermonize against the Cult of Climate Change this a.m. At the end of Mass I shook his hand, complimented his sermon, then pointed in his face saying: CLIMATE CHANGE IS GONNA GETCHA! He laughed.

Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2019 11:21 AM (M0wRt)

265 >>Try a different translation...it will make all the difference in the world.

>>I recommend Robert Fagles' version, which I think is the best one!


Try O Brother, Where Art Thou for a good southern interpretation.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2019 11:21 AM (ZLI7S)

266 We watch a lot of British crime shows and police procedural series. Seems like every other one has a human trafficking story line, either as the main plot or a side story.

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Old, bald white businessmen in charge?

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 17, 2019 11:21 AM (0GvUH)

267 I am currently reading RED METAL by Mark Greany and Lt. Colonel H. Ripley Rawlings IV , USMC.

* GREAT BOOK ALERT *



"A Russian military strike against Europe could change the balance of power in the West"

It is a page turner, and nothing I say about this book will do it justice.

I'm gonna go read it.

Have a great one, Book Horde.

Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 11:21 AM (arJlL)

268 223
218 Pope Francis Considers Introducing 'Sin Against Ecology' To Church's Catechism+++++++++
Just finishing Taylor Marshall's Infiltration The Plot to Destroy the Church from Within. What I thought was going to be as interesting as watching paint dry, turned out to be a real page-turner. The book explains how the Church wound up with Bergoglio occupying the Seat of Saint Peter. He is the culmination and success of a decades long campaign to ensconce at the highest level in the hierarchy someone who is antithetical to the Church's doctrine. The book clearly illustrates how this has occurred and it has been both fascinating and deeply shocking.

Posted by: Old Dude at November 17, 2019 11:22 AM (LGXGf)

269 "While No One Is Watching," it's on Amazon Prime for free.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 17

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Cool, will watch.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 11:23 AM (5aX2M)

270 I hear this but sometimes dramatization is more poignant and impactful

Lilya 4-Ever was created by Sweden as part of a public effort to shine a spotlight on trafficking of immigrant girls. It is VERY gritty and realistic, and based on real cases.

I think for me (female) I always get more from a normal film treatment than from a documentary, which always feels just sort of slow and biased (not that dramatizations aren't!)

ALSO - there are excellent Christian films you just have to dig.

Jesus of Montreal is one.
Posted by: BlackOrchid..A.E.D.K.H. at November 17, 2019 11:18 AM (Rarvo)


See my recommendation just above, also Swedish. Also quite impactful.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 17, 2019 11:23 AM (hku12)

271 "Ho ho!" chortled the narc as he stood over Moxie like some housewife sizing up a kielbasa.

Posted by: All Hail Eris


'The leader of the Nine shook his fist . . . "This ain't the end of this, punk. You'll hear from us again!!"

Saying this, the Nine spurred their farting porkers and sped away in a great cloud of dust and dung.

Observing this near impossible escape from certain death, Frito wondered how much longer the authors would be able to get away with such tripe. He wasn't the only one.'


Truly, a classic tale.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 17, 2019 11:24 AM (bQngX)

272
Alexander Pope, a great poet his own self, wrote a great translation of "The Iliad"

Chock full o'heroic couplets and all that. Beautifully written. Exciting.

If you haven't read it, give yourself a treat.

Pope makes it his own, so not an exact translation if that's what you're looking for.

Homer and Pope - two tastes that taste great together.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2019 11:25 AM (kauXV)

273
I don't quite know why, having seen many WWII planes in real life and having seen many in movies, but for some reason the planes struck me as very primitive, much when I watch WWI movies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 10:55 AM (+y/Ru)


Combat aircraft manufactured during WWII were built to last somewhere around 800 hours. They were built as cheaply and quickly as possible but still maintaining top performance .

Posted by: Sooner at November 17, 2019 11:25 AM (Fs5vw)

274 Glad to learn we have a #BasedPastor. Wonder if I can get him to slip EDKH into the church bulletin.

Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2019 11:25 AM (M0wRt)

275
Old, bald white businessmen in charge?


********

Seems to be either 'mobbed-up' Yorkshireman, Irish or Scots, or vaguely Eastern European' syndicates as the preferred bad guys in the shows we've seen.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2019 11:26 AM (m45I2)

276 The library pic is cool upside down

Posted by: REDACTED at November 17, 2019 11:26 AM (rpxSz)

277
OMFG.

I searched Amazon for young children's history... it's 95% identity politics dressed up as history.

Everything is black this, Latina that, women of science, etc. Very little in terms of fundamentals.

These are legitimate things to study, but very limited in scope, and of particular interest. It's stuff that graduate students should be focusing on, atop a strong understanding of the history that shaped the world and nation these things developed within.

No wonder Limbaugh saw a market opening there.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 11:28 AM (5aX2M)

278 Charity begins at home.
Al Sharpton Gets $1M In Pay From His Own Charity, Tax Filings Show
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:00 AM (+y/Ru)

Good help is find to hard. Resist we much!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 11:29 AM (Z+IKu)

279
I don't quite know why, having seen many WWII planes in real life and having seen many in movies, but for some reason the planes struck me as very primitive, much when I watch WWI movies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 10:55 AM (+y/Ru)


Combat aircraft manufactured during WWII were built to last somewhere around 800 hours. They were built as cheaply and quickly as possible but still maintaining top performance .
Posted by: Sooner at November 17, 2019 11:25 AM (Fs5vw)


They were also considered disposable at any time they became high maintenance burdens from combat action.

Posted by: Sooner at November 17, 2019 11:29 AM (Fs5vw)

280 Here is a scathing review of Midway by an editor of Military Times. I was expecting a detailing of historical inaccuracies (and they did simplify some things) but no, he didn't like the dialogue.

https://bit.ly/2NX3NhP

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:29 AM (+y/Ru)

281 Welp, I thought we still had some stragglers from the sleepover so I made a veritable mountain of pancakes.

Nope. All gone home.

So anyone who wants pancakes, let me know and I'll email them to you.

You have to add your own toppings. I don't want my USB port to get sticky.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 11:29 AM (cfSRQ)

282 Alexander Pope, a great poet his own self, wrote a great translation of "The Iliad"

Chock full o'heroic couplets and all that. Beautifully written. Exciting.

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I liked it, too. As if Shakespeare wrote The Illiad.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:31 AM (+y/Ru)

283 241 ... "Try a different translation...it will make all the difference in the world.

I recommend Robert Fagles' version, which I think is the best one!"

Another vote for the Fagles translations. I've compared several over the years and settled on his. I do keep a copy of the Alexander Pope version just because I like Pope.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 11:32 AM (bmdz3)

284 So anyone who wants pancakes, let me know and I'll email them to you.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 11:29 AM (cfSRQ)


*screeches out of driveway*

*flies across ice sheetstreet into neighbor's tree*

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 11:33 AM (t+qrx)

285 I'm still plowing through Herodotus. I hadn't realized that Xerxes burned the fuck out of Athens when everyone had deserted it except for a few defenders of the Acropolis. Even some of his generals told him he should stop because he accomplished everything he set out to do and the Greeks are in major WTF mode. Fortunately I'm right at the point where Themistocles is setting the Persian fleet up for a dry fucking in the close quarters of Salamis.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 11:33 AM (y7DUB)

286 So when a site like Ace of Spades devotes even a small bit of their cyber real estate
Sorry, had to back up and run over that one again. I'd read it as "shite."

I'm not bothering with the Illiad.Cutting out the middle man, going straight through to the Sickiad.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 11:34 AM (oRpiG)

287 "Have you tried his sequel, Three Men on a Bummel (or On Wheels). About a bicycle trip in Germany. Just as funny. There's a great chapter on German Law."

eeyore, I haven't read that one yet or the "Thoughts of an Idel Fellow. I may just order a good paper version with all three. If the other two books are half as fun as "In a Boat", they will be winners.

Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 11:09 AM (bmdz3)


Three Men on the Bummel is even better than Three Men in a Boat. Some quotes:

"The German citizen is a soldier, and the policeman is his officer. The policeman directs him where in the street to walk, and how fast to walk. At the end of each bridge stands a policeman to tell the German how to cross it. Were there no policeman there, he would probably sit down and wait till the river had passed by. At the railway station the policeman locks him up in the waiting-room, where he can do no harm to himself. When the proper time arrives, he fetches him out and hands him over to the guard of the train, who is only a policeman in another uniform. The guard tells him where to sit in the train, and when to get out, and sees that he does get out. In Germany you take no responsibility upon yourself whatever. Everything is done for you, and done well."

"Of all games in the world, the one most universally and eternally popular is the game of school. You collect six children and put them on a doorstep, while you walk up and down with the book and cane. Only one thing mars it: the tendency of one and all of other six children to clamour for their turn with the book and cane. The reason, I am sure, that journalism is so popular a calling, in spite of its many drawbacks, is this: each journalist feels he is the boy walking up and down with the cane. The Government, the Classes, and the Masses, Society, Art, and Literature, are the other children sitting on the doorstep."

Posted by: cool breeze at November 17, 2019 11:35 AM (UGKMd)

288 I picked up Places Beyond the Wild: A Post-Apocalyptic Zombie Anthology earlier in the week. Good stories by good authors. You don't have to be into zombies to enjoy this book, it's got a lot of good ol' action and some hilarious bits.

Posted by: John Taloni at November 17, 2019 11:37 AM (/Nhc5)

289 That sounds like a violation of the first commandment. Maybe the second as well.

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Well, the Bible is a living document that should be interpreted in light of contemporary circumstances.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:37 AM (+y/Ru)

290 Hey, did you ever read any of Harvey Pekar's 'American Splendor' comics?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 11:19 AM (3Ame7)


No. I somewhat knew Harvey and thought he was a real piece of shit. I wasn't an outlying point. He was knowledgeable about music but that only goes so far with me when wrapped in a disgusting shell.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 11:39 AM (y7DUB)

291

That is one ugly looking lie-berry. It looks like a warehouse

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 17, 2019 11:41 AM (ktGpL)

292 While he was there, he liked to visit the Hermitage Museum
which has tons of fine art, which is divided into pre-Revolutionary and
post-Revolutionary sections. He was amused when he noticed that the
pre-Revolutionary wing was usually packed with visitors, but the
sections that contained all of the art produced after the Revolution
never seemed to have many people in it. In other words, the commies
pretty much destroyed Russian art and the only works they could produce
was junk that nobody wanted.



THIS! Everything they commies make is ugly, hideous and anti-human yet they shove it down our throats and tell us it's beautiful and wonderful. Kind of like Mike Obama

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 17, 2019 11:42 AM (ktGpL)

293 Fortunately I'm right at the point where
Themistocles is setting the Persian fleet up for a dry fucking in the
close quarters of Salamis.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 11:33 AM (y7DUB)

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A crowd favorite is Artemisia, who was butchered in the 300 sequel.

She sees an Athenian galley bearing down on her ship, so immediately rams one of her allies.

The Greek assumes she's switched sides, and waves off his attack.

Meanwhile Xerxes sees the ramming, and asks "Who was that?"

Upon being told it's Artemisia, he assumes she was whacking a traitor and orders royal honors for her.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 11:44 AM (cfSRQ)

294 Try O Brother, Where Art Thou for a good southern interpretation.

Posted by: JackStraw

Sing, O Muse, of that man of constant sorrows...

Funny you would mention that, as I was just a-quotin' on it.

Knowing as we do now that Deval P. is a descendant of the Sun Ra organization, that would make the Motor City Five the brain trust, right? One of them might still be alive. But who would notice?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 11:45 AM (oRpiG)

295 Emmerich dedicated "this film to the Americans and Japanese who fought at Midway."

The
genocide and wartime atrocities committed by fanatical Japanese against
Chinese civilians - not to mention the treatment of American POWs,
would give me pause on that one.



Pass

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 17, 2019 11:45 AM (ktGpL)

296 Heh. I concur. You know, as a Protestant, I must say I had a lot of respect for JPII and Benedict. But this new commie pope? Not so much.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 11:12 AM (3Ame7)
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Same here. Just substitute the word "Catholic" for the word "Protestant."

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 11:45 AM (gVXDT)

297 The
genocide and wartime atrocities committed by fanatical Japanese against

Chinese civilians - not to mention the treatment of American POWs,
would give me pause on that one.

Pass


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 17, 2019 11:45 AM (ktGpL)

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To be fair, the Army and Navy were very different organizations in Imperial Japan. They did not like each other. At all.

The Navy was trained by the British and so had a great deal of respect for other maritime powers.

The Army was trained by Germans, and added Prussian militarism to their samurai ethic, making them world-historical jerks.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 11:48 AM (cfSRQ)

298 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 11:44 AM (cfSRQ)

Yes, earlier mention of Artemisia made it clear that Xerxes held her in high regard for whatever reason.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 17, 2019 11:52 AM (y7DUB)

299 Same here. Just substitute the word "Catholic" for the word "Protestant."



Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 11:45 AM (gVXDT)

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Francis is working hard to get himself ranked behind the Borgia popes.

His complete and utter failure to deal with sex abuse destroys the value of anything else he says.

The positive side of his reign is that all of the evil was exposed. Like many Catholics, I used to think the abuse was limited and the authorities were inept but well-meaning.

But it's now clear that the "lavender mafia" is real, Francis covers for it and is changing the subject on purpose.

What gives me hope is that all the clergy I meet are abjectly horrified and I've noticed there are fewer and fewer references to Francis in local publications. It's also clear the US bishops are unhappy with him, so my sense is that the next conclave will see a traditionalist, maybe Cardinal Sarah, who is brilliant.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 11:53 AM (cfSRQ)

300 Emmerich dedicated "this film to the Americans and Japanese who fought at Midway."

The genocide and wartime atrocities committed by fanatical Japanese against Chinese civilians - not to mention the treatment of American POWs,
would give me pause on that one.



Pass

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Yes, that struck me, too. Mere seconds earlier the movie notes that the Japanese killed an estimated 250,000 Chinese in retaliation for the Dolittle raid, which, of course, the Chinese had little to do with.

I chose to interpret that dedication as a realization that the average Jap swabbie had nothing to do with setting policy and merely died for his Emperor.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:54 AM (+y/Ru)

301 280 Here is a scathing review of Midway by an editor of Military Times. I was expecting a detailing of historical inaccuracies (and they did simplify some things) but no, he didn't like the dialogue.

https://bit.ly/2NX3NhP
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 11:29 AM (+y/Ru)

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Works for me.

Posted by: SMH at November 17, 2019 11:56 AM (RU4sa)

302 I would love to go see the Hermatage museum, one of my co-workers got to go a year ago, probably wasted on him.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 11:57 AM (ZCEU2)

303 Agreed, Mr Lloyd.

I've been praying for an African Pope for a long time. We have a guest priest every summer who comes from Kenya. He is quite impressive.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 17, 2019 11:59 AM (PkVlr)

304 ...so my sense is that the next conclave will see a traditionalist, maybe Cardinal Sarah, who is brilliant.+++++
Again, referring to my previous post citing Taylor Marshall's Infiltration book, I'm finding it difficult to be sanguine about this self-correcting. What does give me great hope however, is the fact that the Church is protected by the Holy Ghost and we have bee assured that the "gates of hell shall not prevail against My Church."

Posted by: Old Dude at November 17, 2019 12:01 PM (LGXGf)

305 Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 17, 2019 11:34 AM (oRpiG)

"The Mortiad" is Homer's best work.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:02 PM (wYseH)

306 It's also clear the US bishops are unhappy with him, so my sense is that the next conclave will see a traditionalist, maybe Cardinal Sarah, who is brilliant.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 11:53 AM (cfSRQ)
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I too would love to see Cardinal Sarah as our next pope. Preferably sooner rather than later.

I noticed the parish up here in Mass. where we are this weekend is now ~ finally ~ saying the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel after Mass. Pope John Paul II asked priests to do this over 20 years ago. Most of the orthodox churches started right away. Glad that others are catching up. I suspect what's been going on in the Vatican is the reason why they are finally getting around to it.

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 12:03 PM (sTBcq)

307 What gives me hope is that all the clergy I meet are abjectly horrified and I've noticed there are fewer and fewer references to Francis in local publications. It's also clear the US bishops are unhappy with him, so my sense is that the next conclave will see a traditionalist, maybe Cardinal Sarah, who is brilliant.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

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Word. I'm horrified and optimistic at the same time.

As you know, I'm a huge fan of Cardinal Sarah also.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 12:04 PM (Y4EXg)

308 I've been praying for an African Pope for a long
time.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at November 17, 2019 11:59 AM (PkVlr)

Whoa! Next thing you will say is that abortion is wrong, homosexuality is a sin, and AGW is a grand scheme of wealth distribution.

This is just crazy talk.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:05 PM (wYseH)

309 241
have just started rereading "The Odyssey" after more than 29 years.



Posted by: DR.WTF at November 17, 2019 11:02 AM (aS1PU)



Try a different translation...it will make all the difference in the world.



I recommend Robert Fagles' version, which I think is the best one!





Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 11:11 AM (wYseH)


I'll throw in a plug for Robert Fitzgerald, too.

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at November 17, 2019 12:05 PM (YqED9)

310 This is just crazy talk.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:05 PM (wYseH)
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We Catholics are known for that.

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 12:05 PM (sTBcq)

311 He is the culmination and success of a decades long campaign to ensconce at the highest level in the hierarchy someone who is antithetical to the Church's doctrine

Since Bungholio is still seated at the cathedra in the Vatican after that Pachamama literal idolatry, I can only assume that the bishop of Avignon is a pussy.

Posted by: the Disney Corporation at November 17, 2019 12:05 PM (ykYG2)

312 Off paedosock

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 17, 2019 12:06 PM (ykYG2)

313 "The Mortiad" is Homer's best work.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2019 12:02 PM (wYseH)


It was also the best season story arc on Adult Swim

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2019 12:06 PM (1glZx)

314 THIS! Everything they commies make is ugly, hideous and anti-human yet they shove it down our throats and tell us it's beautiful and wonderful. Kind of like Mike Obama
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 17, 2019 11:42 AM (ktGpL)

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Look at the brutalist atrocities their Western brethren inflicted on our cities... And then make it cheaper and uglier. The same goes for their art.

Even our Communist artists couldn't suck so many balls, though they put up a good effort.

The Soviet Union was an aesthetic crime against human eyes.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:06 PM (5aX2M)

315 Someone early upthread mentioned Walter Jon Williams. I thoroughly enjoyed his post-apocaplytic 'The Rift'. Premise is that the New Madrid fault cleaves the US in two. I don't recall how socially woke it was, I just remember being impressed with using the crack right down the middle as the starting point.

Will have to reread at some point as it was written in 1999, after all.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 17, 2019 12:07 PM (MIKMs)

316 The Army was trained by Germans, and added Prussian militarism to their samurai ethic, making them world-historical jerks.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 11:48 AM (cfSRQ)


Didn't all of their neighbors pretty much hate the Japanese? I mean, historically speaking, is it fair to call the Japanese the assholes of the far East? Kind of like the Aztecs in Mexico who were so bad that the other tribes sided with Cortez? That kind of assholiness?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 12:08 PM (3Ame7)

317 Oh, and for anyone keeping up with my thermostat tribulations, we managed to turn my FIL's thermostat down to 72 (from 82) last night before we went to bed, and opened our windows.

This morning he told me that something was wrong with his heating in his room because he was "freezing" and had to put on two blankets.

I looked at the thermostat and he had turned it up to 88 when he got up. We've turned it down again. I have no hopes that it will remain there.

Paraphrasing Churchill, we shall fight on to the end, we shall fight over the thermostat, etc., etc.

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 12:09 PM (sTBcq)

318 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:29 AM (cfSRQ)

I have attended Extraordinary Form Masses in Venice (Italy), where I enjoyed hearing Latin pronounced with what's supposed to be the "best", i.e. Italian, accent. Naturally, very easy to understand.

I also had the great blessing of attending 2 Extraordinary Form Masses in Shanghai, in the oldest Catholic Church in town, St. Joseph's, built in 1860. Their history said that it was the only one in Shanghai which still had its altar rail. I had no trouble following along, except, of course, the sermon. I did understand the last two words: "Amen! Alleluia!" It was Pentecost, so how appropriate to hear the Epistle from the Acts of the Apostles! The second week I was there, two locals on either side of me saw that I was following along with my iMass app and asked for help. I showed them where we were using the handout that was in the pews. I could read the Latin and pointed that out. The other two columns were (updated?) Chinese and Mandarin, so I couldn't help there, but I assume they could read one or the other. There was a choir of locals led by a Caucasian expat singing quite nicely. An elderly gentleman nearby was rocking out the hymns. It didn't look like he had any teeth, which lead me to reflect on how many martyrs must have sat in the pews, and no doubt some living martyrs were sitting around me. Church was packed, almost all locals.

The last Mass in Latin that I attended prior to the almost universal fall into the vernacular was in Tijuana, with my parents in 1966. English had already been introduced in the US but we remembered our Latin and were innocently amazed that we understood everything, except the sermon!

If you want to hear excellent Latin with a Polish accent, there is a Rosarium app available, with Pope John Paul II praying. I got the shivers praying with it the first time; I always loved his voice.

Posted by: iLearnedToCode at November 17, 2019 12:09 PM (AZSzs)

319 Pope Francis is all washy wishy
His theology so rotten and squishy
That the most somnolent napper
Of a good mackerel snapper
Will think everything he says is fishy

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:10 PM (NWiLs)

320 I'm finding it difficult to be sanguine about this
self-correcting. What does give me great hope however, is the fact that
the Church is protected by the Holy Ghost and we have bee assured that
the "gates of hell shall not prevail against My Church."


Posted by: Old Dude at November 17, 2019 12:01 PM (LGXGf)

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It's not self-correcting, correction is being forced upon the Church.

The seminaries are being cleansed and the new generation of priests are very committed. The generational shift has been quite stark, going from emphasizing feelings over doctrine to why doctrine is so important.

Our former pastor used to do a "sex talk" for the college students, and that's done now, ever since he was accused of sexual harassment by another priest.

He was forcibly retired. Zero tolerance.

The new pastor is very orthodox and we're seeing rituals coming back, stuff I never saw since I'm a convert.

I thought maybe this was just our parish, but our old parish has a new priest and he actually reversed the altar so that he has his back to the congregation! So old school there are kneelers up front to take Communion. It's completely different from the laid-back Catholicism of ten years ago.

That gives me hope.

Francis is cutting himself off from the body of the church. Sad, but necessary.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 12:10 PM (cfSRQ)

321 The library does not look cozy at all. Not a place to curl up on a comfy chair with a good book.

It looks rather Soviet in design.

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I thought the same thing. Sterile. Could easily be officially named "Library #14."

Run, Jordan, Run sounds good. Might have to check that one out.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 17, 2019 12:10 PM (JoUsr)

322 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2019 09:21 AM (7rVsF)

Salve Hadrian VII! Dominus tecum!

Posted by: iLearnedToCode at November 17, 2019 12:12 PM (AZSzs)

323 > Deval Patrick is really smart and if the Dems were smart they'd be getting him ready to lead

I would enjoy the hell out of seeing the same people who claimed Bain Capital was the devil suddenly shift to a new pravda.
This week, I'm still re-reading Steven Saylor's Roma Sub Rosa series. These are centered around the character Gordianus the Finder, sort of a proto-detective, and are set across end stages of the Roman Republic and the beginning stages of the Roman Empire.
Saylor really knows his background material (he's a classical scholar), and can spin quite an entertaining tale as well.

There is a certain amount of Teh Ghey in these, so that might be offputting to some. However, it is, as far as I can tell, presented in a historically accurate manner.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 17, 2019 12:12 PM (oQp6r)

324 If you want to hear excellent Latin with a Polish accent, there is a Rosarium app available, with Pope John Paul II praying. I got the shivers praying with it the first time; I always loved his voice.
Posted by: iLearnedToCode
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Thanks for the app tips!!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 12:12 PM (Y4EXg)

325 Paraphrasing Churchill, we shall fight on to the end, we shall fight over the thermostat, etc., etc.
Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 12:09 PM (sTBcq)


I'm picturing bluebell in a Brodie helmet right now.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 12:12 PM (t+qrx)

326 325 Paraphrasing Churchill, we shall fight on to the end, we shall fight over the thermostat, etc., etc.
Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 12:09 PM (sTBcq)

I'm picturing bluebell in a Brodie helmet right now.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 12:12 PM (t+qrx)

"There is nothing more exhilarating than to be attacked with a shiv with no result."

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

327 I mean, historically speaking, is it fair to call the Japanese the assholes of the far East?

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I would say yes. Ironically, the entire idea of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere was to liberate the Asians from their oppression by honkies. So they were killing all those Chinese, Filipinos and what not for their own good.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2019 12:14 PM (+y/Ru)

328 I want to recommend several books on Midway.

The best is the Japanese perspective: Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway by Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully's

Parshall's www.combinedfleet.com is the foremost Internet site on the Imperial Navy.

Approach Miracle at Midway with caution. There are errors in the narrative.

Incredible Victory: The Battle of Midway
by Walter Lord is even more flawed.

There is not an in-depth and accurate recounting of Midway from the USN side. It was an amazing victory.

I have read other books by him and he is sound, but I have not read The Battle of Midway (Pivotal Moments in American History) by Craig L. Symonds.

Three books on the Intel side I liked are:

And I Was There : Breaking the Secrets - Pearl Harbor and Midway by Rear Admiral Edwin T. Layton

Double-Edged Secrets: U.S. Naval Intelligence Operations in the Pacific During World War II by W. J. Holmes.

Battle of Wits: The Complete Story of Codebreaking in World War II by Stephen Budiansky.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2019 12:15 PM (u82oZ)

329 302 re: the hermitage

have you seen the film "Russian Ark" ?

every time i foolishly allow apple to update my iphone, copy and paste gets worse.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 17, 2019 12:15 PM (cr2Uu)

330 I'm picturing bluebell in a Brodie helmet right now.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 12:12 PM (t+qrx)
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Shiv in hand.

I love my FIL, I really do, but I'm feeling terminally overheated, and this is a chick who's always freezing.

And this a guy who told his kids to wear multiple sweatshirts if they were too cold in this same house when they were growing up.

Posted by: bluebell at November 17, 2019 12:15 PM (sTBcq)

331 So my company is making me participate in fantasy football. I don't care about it, and I'm still boycotting the NFL, both of which place me at a disadvantage. I keep losing.

So my new strategy is I'm picking the defense with the weakest offensive matchup, and then stacking the rest of the roster with offensive players from teams going against super-weak defenses. Hopefully this way I can win without following BLM ball.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 12:15 PM (5aX2M)

332 307 What gives me hope is that all the clergy I meet are abjectly horrified and I've noticed there are fewer and fewer references to Francis in local publications. It's also clear the US bishops are unhappy with him, so my sense is that the next conclave will see a traditionalist, maybe Cardinal Sarah, who is brilliant.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd


Pope Sarah would be rock the house.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 17, 2019 12:15 PM (3Ame7)