Did the Charlottesville Mayor Order Police to Stand Down, to Allow His Allies in #Antifa to Rough Up the Nazis?

The Nazis had a permit; antifa did not. (Say what you will about Nazis, but they're bears for paperwork.)

Antifa raided the permitted Nazi rally space.

Police let them -- and let beatings go on. They gave them Space to Destroy, as they say.

I hope Sessions will be looking into this aspect as well.

Antifa was, of course, violent. As usual. As the police always permit them to be.


Even a NYT report noticed:


She was, of course, later Crowd Pressured to backtrack a bit:


I'm tired of #LeftWingPrivilege for violence.

Posted by: Ace at 02:59 PM




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1 That seems to be the trend.
Happened in Berkley a few times recently, and at the Trump rally in Chicago that turned into a cluster***.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:00 PM (NOIQH)

2 Such facts don't matter. The narrative is all.

Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 14, 2017 03:00 PM (RD7QR)

3 I am finding myself less and less confident that Session will do the right thing.

Posted by: makattak at August 14, 2017 03:00 PM (Y7Qzg)

4 Sure seems that way

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:00 PM (pPKG5)

5 Never let a crisis go to waste ---> Hey, why not create a crisis?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:00 PM (NOIQH)

6 >>I'm tired of #LeftWingPriviledge for violence.


Me, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:01 PM (NOIQH)

7 Is this a fact or rumor or speculation at this point?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:01 PM (ZjR82)

8 The Storm Troopers or whatever moved their web site to Google which immediately just shut it down.

GoDaddy and Google are going to have trouble because of this. They're basically saying that they are now responsible for content on the sites they provide services for.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 14, 2017 03:02 PM (UBzPO)

9 One other thing, supposedly: when the cops decided to break up the rally, they drove the "right" protesters into the antifa-ists, ensuring there would be more violence.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 14, 2017 03:02 PM (pvjTE)

10 Uh, no he likely won't.

Posted by: Strobe at August 14, 2017 03:02 PM (gbWkA)

11 Nobody to the right of Elizabeth Warren has a right to protest in a blue city. Any such right will be ignored by the authorities.

Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 14, 2017 03:02 PM (RD7QR)

12 7, rumor unless you want to wade into hours of video tape

Posted by: Former mass resident at August 14, 2017 03:02 PM (hxWs0)

13 Trump just called out another fake news reporter...anyone notice who that was he called out during a signing of China sanctions?

Posted by: RedDish on the table...err tablet at August 14, 2017 03:02 PM (5eXg1)

14 Police let them -- and let beatings go on. They gave them Space to Destroy, as they say.



Seems like every f-ing police department has orders to stand down when the left wants to riot.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:02 PM (493sH)

15 Can't fathom Sessions saying " the nazis had the right paperwork". Perfect trap to kiss leftist ass by subterfuge

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2017 03:03 PM (2+tI4)

16 3 - With Republicans triping over themselves to apologize for idiotic neo-nazi wantabes that the Leftist are blaming them.

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:03 PM (pPKG5)

17 The alignment tag is a Nazi.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 14, 2017 03:03 PM (UBzPO)

18 Heil Center.

Posted by: golfman at August 14, 2017 03:03 PM (48QDY)

19 Whoa, ace has become a centrist!

Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 14, 2017 03:04 PM (RD7QR)

20 I feel very centered in this thread.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 14, 2017 03:04 PM (PY9jH)

21 I know Sessions seems to be slow in acting but how much of this is on the lawyers in the Civil Rights division who are there for the remainder of their careers?

This seems to be a part of the law that these career lawyers wouldn't want to address since a number of them are partisan in nature (I'm thinking of one such lawyer right now who was the subject of an article several months back - he took pride in being able to thwart the commands of the GOP political appointees who were overseeing him).

Posted by: Sasquatch the Original trans-Wookie at August 14, 2017 03:04 PM (Awxuc)

22 I'm tired of #LeftWingPriviledge for violence.



You will definitely hate it when it becomes the right's turn.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:04 PM (U76Nz)

23 Stoolberg comes from a shitty place.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at August 14, 2017 03:04 PM (6FJW5)

24 It's going to get worse before it gets better. If it gets better at all.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 14, 2017 03:04 PM (KUaJL)

25 Not to rough up Nazis. Just to keep a narrative going. More red meat for the media, regardless who bleeds.

Posted by: golfman at August 14, 2017 03:04 PM (48QDY)

26 The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding "antifa" beating white nationalists being led out of the park 2/2

Rethinking this. Should have said violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate.



Because people who beat people with clubs don't hate in any way

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:05 PM (493sH)

27 >>>7 Is this a fact or rumor or speculation at this point?

I think it's between a speculation and a fact. The police did not seem to intervene much, and did not engage in the routine precaution of separating opposed groups.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2017 03:05 PM (8rNrN)

28 So cowardly Sheryl Gay Stolberg walked back her words.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 14, 2017 03:05 PM (PY9jH)

29 7
Is this a fact or rumor or speculation at this point?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:01 PM (ZjR82)


It was reported on the day it happened.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 14, 2017 03:05 PM (mpXpK)

30 Our @CBS6 photojournalist assaulted in the head while shooting protests in Richmond. In the hospital getting stitches. Stop the VIOLENCE!





Then stop promoting it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:06 PM (493sH)

31 Shep! isn't on today. He must have a case of the vapors.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 14, 2017 03:06 PM (PY9jH)

32 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:06 PM (U76Nz)

33 If history is any gauge, Sessions is only going to be looking into one sides actions and the BLM anti-fa goons are going to get off Scott free.

Look we had a Democrat operative on tape admitting they were instigating violence at Trump rallies, this same operative had hundreds of meetings at Oabam's White House.

This shit is all connected and all part of the plan.

But stupid GOP couldn't wait to jump on the MSM/Donk concocted narative of White Nationalists gone wild.

Damn the GOP, damn them to hell.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2017 03:07 PM (2JcMg)

34 Just because you hate Nazis does not mean you are a good person.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Are You Goth? The AoSHQ Guide to Gloom available at The Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2017 03:07 PM (hLRSq)

35 I can picture Sheryl now - sitting at her desk, Tweeting away when, suddenly, a little rolled up piece of paper falls out the tube running from the ceiling down to her cubicle.

History has changed and she must make the revision. Big Brother is watching.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 14, 2017 03:07 PM (G2kh6)

36 If true, it's despicable, as it means they were hoping for those carrying to start shooting in defense.

Can you say Haymarket Riot?

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 14, 2017 03:07 PM (+7/1f)

37 It's time the left issued an apology to the estate of Barry Goldwater.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is now vice... and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

Imagine a time where these words received harsh condemnation from those left of center.

Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:08 PM (KqRop)

38 Ever heard of neutral corners?

Posted by: Jake LaMotta at August 14, 2017 03:08 PM (bc2Lc)

39 Should have said violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate.

The bike lock strikes your skull with love!

Posted by: wooga at August 14, 2017 03:08 PM (Z/rHa)

40 Our @CBS6 photojournalist assaulted in the head while shooting protests in Richmond. In the hospital getting stitches. Stop the VIOLENCE!

++++

Snitches get stitches.

Posted by: antifa at August 14, 2017 03:08 PM (FUu/Z)

41 Who blew out the margins?

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:08 PM (pPKG5)

42 Who cares if they weren't hate filled? I don't care if they're nougat-filled - they got violent, they're just as responsible.

Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at August 14, 2017 03:08 PM (oZ6kz)

43 I'm kind of torn on this.

On one hand it looks an awful lot like these leftist cities are deliberately hands off when it comes to antifa nutjars.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what busting heads and tear gas would accomplish. Usually when you're outnumbered like 40:1 its a bad idea to antagonize the crowd.

On the third, mutant hand, these guys are pretty pathetic human beings so they wouldn't be very tough to intimidate and control for the most part.

So i don't know.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 14, 2017 03:08 PM (39g3+)

44 Skokie, Ill... now with real beatings and killing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 14, 2017 03:08 PM (BTvE8)

45 Well, if the cops do their job, then the Democrats burn buildings and battle with the cops. This makes the Democrats look bad.

But if the cops withdraw, then the Democrats can beat up the protesters. The media can then spin this as the protesters being the violent ones rather than the Democrats.

Posted by: wodun at August 14, 2017 03:08 PM (lFga6)

46 I think I fixed it

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (pPKG5)

47 "The Storm Troopers or whatever moved their web site to Google which immediately just shut it down."

I sense a business opportunity for an impoverished yet technically with-it country.

Vlad, if you are reading this - give me a call. I got a proposition for you.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Are You Goth? The AoSHQ Guide to Gloom available at The Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (hLRSq)

48 "Rethinking this." That could get legs.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (tbOMB)

49 Cage match: Violent communists vs. violent socialists.

Let them fight it out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (PY9jH)

50 I'm tired of #LeftWingPrivilege for violence.


Here's what I think it is.

You can't sue the cops for failing to protect you.

You can sue the hell out of the cops for "excessive force" if they step in and try to break things up. It does not take a huge leap to imagine that the Antifa twatwads would like nothing more than to have themselves a good old fashioned police beatdown to bray about.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (mf5HN)

51
Ace.... not only did the police stand down..... but its been reported that the NAZI event organizer was a two time Obama voter and Occupy WallStreet supporter and CNN contributor......

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (8XRCm)

52 I will beat you senseless with a bike lock, shoot a flamethrower at you or riot in whatever way I want ,in whenever I can, because the police let me, and because I have so much love and inclusivity in my heart-except for you and you and you. You're damn racists. I can tell just by knowing who you voted for.

Posted by: Antifa sweetie at August 14, 2017 03:10 PM (iVOAv)

53 Those were love baseball bats.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 14, 2017 03:10 PM (Nwg0u)

54 Going to go write while watching the conclusion of Shin Godzilla.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 14, 2017 03:10 PM (BTvE8)

55 Keeping the police at bay seems to be the mode of operation in these Leftists cities

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:10 PM (pPKG5)

56 Ace.... not only did the police stand down..... but
its been reported that the NAZI event organizer was a two time Obama
voter and Occupy WallStreet supporter and CNN contributor......

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (8XRCm)


Oh, my.....teh narrative!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 14, 2017 03:10 PM (PY9jH)

57 BLM? Antifa? Never heard of them.

Posted by: Recused Jeff Sessions at August 14, 2017 03:10 PM (5btXr)

58 I'm kind of torn on this.

On one hand it looks an awful lot like these leftist cities are deliberately hands off when it comes to antifa nutjars.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what busting heads and tear gas would accomplish.




You keep the sides apart. That way you don't have to bust heads. They used to do it all the time.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (U76Nz)

59 This incident looks orchestrated. Also the "solidarity" protests the day after. AND I heard several national commentators immediately claim there had been no violence during the BLM protests. Coincidence so many people would make the same false claim using the same language? naaaah

Posted by: itsacookboo at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (yPxXc)

60 know your enemies.
rule#1 they are all your enemies, until they prove otherwise.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (KP5rU)

61 Heard replay of voice report on Rush today.

National Reporter went to VA State Police area observing the protests. Violence ensued, police did nothing. "Unnamed and unknown" protesters starting throwing Tear Gas. State Police evacuated under orders because it was too dangersous for the State Police.

The Virginia State Police ran away.

Posted by: rd at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (4dz1m)

62 Rethinking this. Should have said violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate.
==========================



My violence is better than your violence because you are full of hate and I am full of not-hate.

Posted by: grammie winger - how could I dance with another WOO at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (lwiT4)

63 I hope Sessions will be looking into this aspect as well.

Sessions will not do jack shit.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (mcI77)

64 Because people who beat people with clubs don't hate in any way

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:05 PM (493sH)

Rethinking this. Should have said impromptu physics demonstration. They really hearted science.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (tbOMB)

65 This whole thing had an odor to it the day the news first broke.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (m9X4Y)

66 Oooooooh, I shouldn't have said the anti-fa and BLM were "hate-filled" as I saw them violently beating those with whom they disagree.

Their violence was very warm, caring, and kind!

With each blow they struck, I could feel the love!

Nothing at all hateful to see here, folks. Now move along . . . .

Posted by: Sheryl Gay Stolberg at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (HZrjw)

67 To a degree, I don't mind the police letting this go on, so long as there's no collateral damage, the more Nazi and Commie skulls get cracked, the better. A pox on both their houses.

That said, it's obvious the police play favorites in this Iran-Iraq war-esque struggle between two sides of disgusting cretin.

Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:12 PM (KqRop)

68 Loving violence, not violence inspired by hate.

Like Ike and Tina.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 14, 2017 03:12 PM (NrdxS)

69 Rethinking this. Should have said violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate

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Ok so now the left media, the dems have been calling us all Nazis for a decade

so she's ok baseball batting half the country?

hey nevertrumpers , Nazi names hit You guys way before before Trump hit the elections

remember Booosh?

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:12 PM (FKrah)

70 >>I'm tired of #LeftWingPrivilege for violence.

Apparently, so are the white nationalist. I have no use for white racists but it will be interesting to see how the left reacts to finally getting some return fire.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:12 PM (/tuJf)

71 You keep the sides apart. That way you don't have to bust heads. They used to do it all the time.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (U76Nz)



Like, you know, how they just did it in Seattle.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 14, 2017 03:12 PM (mf5HN)

72 Most "journalists" will proudly accept the beatings as their contribution to the cause.

Posted by: mark1971 at August 14, 2017 03:12 PM (xPl2J)

73 Remember, as long as Sessions does not simultaneously do every exact thing everyone demands (without evidence or even legal support) immediately, then he's completely worthless, lazy, and incompetent.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 14, 2017 03:13 PM (39g3+)

74 Here's what I think it is.

You can't sue the cops for failing to protect you.

You can sue the hell out of the cops for "excessive force" if they step in and try to break things up. It does not take a huge leap to imagine that the Antifa twatwads would like nothing more than to have themselves a good old fashioned police beatdown to bray about.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (mf5HN)

++++

You're thinking too hard. Left wing, big city pols are holding back the cops from arresting lefty goons. Same thing that was happening during the Trump campaign. Let the lefty mobs bust some heads.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 14, 2017 03:13 PM (pvjTE)

75 If you play Trump's message about this backwards, it just says, "Kill all journalists" over and over.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2017 03:13 PM (4ErVI)

76 They burned down that gentleman's house with the very best re-gards.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 14, 2017 03:13 PM (psH+N)

77 so ok, we see it all everyday in black and white. or on cnn or msnbc,

so where do we go from here?

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:13 PM (FKrah)

78 what's the deal with adding the helicopter crash to the list of victims? Did someone shoot it down?

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:13 PM (DQdye)

79 The KKK is so rampant and busy that they have to contract all their work out to black and gay hoaxing subcontractors.

Posted by: The Truth Hurts at August 14, 2017 03:13 PM (5btXr)

80 So cowardly Sheryl Gay Stolberg walked back her words.

-
She's grown accustomed to having an intact skull.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 14, 2017 03:14 PM (Nwg0u)

81 Who is organizing and bankrolling Antifa? Yes, yes, I know: Soros and company, but who or what specifically? Their near-immediate response times and tactical approach speak to guided leadership and careful orchestration, not spontaneity.

Are there paid staffers somewhere looking over demonstration permits in various mid-sized to large cities and determining which would make for a favorable media opportunity? If so, who writes the checks?

Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2017 03:14 PM (Fw5cQ)

82 Rethinking this. Should have said violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate

Some editor explained to her how things work at INGSOC, and that she didn't want to find out what was in Room 101.

Double-plus good.

Posted by: DocJ at August 14, 2017 03:14 PM (NYS7S)

83 Antifa raided the permitted Nazi rally space.

From what I've read from a 'neutral' observer from another country at BB, the original permitted protesters were told to leave and there was only one exit -- right where the leftists were waiting.

This is what was waiting for them:

http://tinyurl.com/AssholeWaspSpray

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 03:14 PM (EgwCt)

84 I'm going to crack your skull open but it's not because I don't love you.

Posted by: grammie winger - how could I dance with another WOO at August 14, 2017 03:14 PM (lwiT4)

85 This is priceless.

In response to Trump today, David Duke tweets: "I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists."

And Jenna Jameson responds: "Please go play in the freeway you moron"

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 14, 2017 03:14 PM (+7/1f)

86 Apparently, so are the white nationalist. I have no use for white racists but it will be interesting to see how the left reacts to finally getting some return fire.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:12 PM (/tuJf)




I saw a video clip (looked to be in a parking garage) of some antifa twerp with a bloodied face running like a rabbit. They're tough guys in cities who let them get away with but not so tough when someone fights back. Maybe Soros will pay his hospital bills

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (493sH)

87 You can't sue the cops for failing to protect you.

You can sue the hell out of the cops for "excessive force" if they step in and try to break things up.



However, the po po CAN bust heads in a riot situation.

We couldn't target heads with a nightstick. However, we could target collarbones. However, inmates rarely stood still. They were usually bobbing and weaving.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (U76Nz)

88 wonder if that twitter chick is light skinned , so would she be willing to be beat down as some have been because of lighter skin?

I mean some think it's good to beat and batter people you don't like

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (FKrah)

89 67 To a degree, I don't mind the police letting this go on, so long as there's no collateral damage, the more Nazi and Commie skulls get cracked, the better. A pox on both their houses.

That said, it's obvious the police play favorites in this Iran-Iraq war-esque struggle between two sides of disgusting cretin.
Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:12 PM (KqRop)

Of course, in the eyes of the Commies, even you will count as a Nazi...

Posted by: Hikaru at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (XMDuf)

90 I mentioned yesterday that San Antonio had a similar, though much smaller situation on Saturday. No Nazis, but some peaceful heritage groups rallying to save a monument.

Masked thugs were there and tried to attack the rally and the police, but the police were prepared and kept both groups separated the whole time. There was one arrest, a lefty who tried to get through the line of cops and was calling for his buddies to attack the cops.

Posted by: stace--domestic security threat at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (HaNEn)

91 So if a dude really loves the woman then it can't be rape, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (psH+N)

92 Pretty sure there were tweets at the time of the rally saying the police were no intervening. Thought I saw them on the /pol/newsnetwork account, but that was suspended today

Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (NOIQH)

93 Because a black hitting a white person in the head with a rock or a club can't possibly be "hate-filled", right?

Posted by: carcaress at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (gJAok)

94 I'm convinced that Richard Spencer and the rest are FBI stooges.

Posted by: AOL at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (xlJih)

95 Were there Illinois Nazis at the rally?

Because, if there were I am going to allow it.

Posted by: Joiliet Jake Blues at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (qM5lD)

96 Can't wait to see Marco Rubio's surrender tweet on the day they demolish the Jefferson Memorial. I'll probably get it when Allahpundit retweets it.

Posted by: Mark1971 at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (xPl2J)

97 And Jenna Jameson responds: "Please go play in the freeway you moron"
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 14, 2017 03:14 PM (+7/1f)

Heh. As ever, the appropriate response to asshattery is mockery, derision, and dismissal.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (AURKQ)

98 I mean some think it's good to beat and batter people you don't like
Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (FKrah)

------

then.... deep fry them and serve as tempura.

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (8XRCm)

99 The left's violence is an act of love.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (PY9jH)

100 This incident looks orchestrated. Also the "solidarity" protests the day after. AND I heard several national commentators immediately claim there had been no violence during the BLM protests. Coincidence so many people would make the same false claim using the same language? naaaah
Posted by: itsacookboo at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (yPxXc)

I hate conspiracy theories but I'm starting to come around on this one. For one thing that tiki torch parade looked really gay.
Then the terrible crowd control
then the stealth antifa protesters bused in at the last minute.
And I would put nothing past McAuliffe.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (7uYFy)

101 what's the deal with adding the helicopter crash to the list of victims? Did someone shoot it down?

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Body count. The news media thrives on body count. If anyone had a heart attack, that would have been added to the body count. Traffic accident, slip and fall, anything. Police fatalities make it even better.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (m9X4Y)

102 @81

Yes, Southern Poverty Law Center and other anti-american and communists groups monitor so-called "hate groups" all the live long day.

What happened over the weekend was an op straight up.



Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (2JcMg)

103 A few other things: on my scale, National Socialists and Communists are both on the totalitarian end of the political scale. They hate each other because they are so much alike, with only superficial differences. Both are identity politics obsessed totalitarians.

This reporter is a pure imbecile. "They were standing up to hate." I guess it takes two wrongs to make a right, eh? I guess hate isn't hate when you engage of hate of hate. Kinda along the same lines of the "I'm very tolerant, and if you don't agree with me, I will destroy you" ideal that the left has gone all in for as of late.

Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (KqRop)

104 Hey grammie I saw what you wrote about false eyelashes on the last thread. I am seeing adds on FB now for magnetic eyelashes. No glue required, they just stick together. I'm sure you can just google it and get the info.

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (zRZaJ)

105 81 81 Who is organizing and bankrolling Antifa? Yes, yes, I know: Soros and company, but who or what specifically? Their near-immediate response times and tactical approach speak to guided leadership and careful orchestration, not spontaneity.

Are there paid staffers somewhere looking over demonstration permits in various mid-sized to large cities and determining which would make for a favorable media opportunity? If so, who writes the checks?
Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2017 03:14 PM (Fw5cQ)

I'm almost completely sure that Bob Creamer is involved in the organizing, and I wouldn't be surprised if Lisa Fithian's filthy hands are involved, too...

Posted by: Hikaru at August 14, 2017 03:17 PM (XMDuf)

106 I'm thinking if you're at a demonstration and you're wearing a mask, it's not because you're afraid of catching a cold. Either show your face or go home.

Posted by: grammie winger - how could I dance with another WOO at August 14, 2017 03:17 PM (lwiT4)

107 I can't speak to this particular response, or to LE, but as far as military response/assistance to civilian authorities, you are very limited in what you can do (are capable of), and will generally be limited by manpower and equipment. Easy to second guess, but if you go in too strong, then you get called stormtroopers/police state. Meh, someone's always got a case of the ass.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:17 PM (ZjR82)

108 Where are those two helpful videos?

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 14, 2017 03:17 PM (psH+N)

109 I'm just going to say it: I don't have a problem with Nazis and Communists killing each other. Is there no way to Thunderdome both sets of cocksuckers and then napalm whoever comes out on top?

Posted by: DanInMN at August 14, 2017 03:17 PM (15ZVX)

110 You keep the sides apart. That way you don't have to bust heads. They used to do it all the time.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (U76Nz)


Like, you know, how they just did it in Seattle.
Posted by: alexthechick



Skokie, Illinois.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:17 PM (U76Nz)

111 Hey grammie I saw what you wrote about false
eyelashes on the last thread. I am seeing adds on FB now for magnetic
eyelashes. No glue required, they just stick together. I'm sure you
can just google it and get the info.

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at August 14, 2017 03:16 PM (zRZaJ)
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Magnetic? Wow - maybe even I could do that - thanks!

Posted by: grammie winger - how could I dance with another WOO at August 14, 2017 03:17 PM (lwiT4)

112 June 1941

rethinking this

must get into the war in Europe

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at August 14, 2017 03:18 PM (ILitO)

113 Where are those two helpful videos?
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 14, 2017 03:17 PM (psH+N)

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http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502667845886.webm
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502666291103.webm

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter at August 14, 2017 03:18 PM (8XRCm)

114 Apparently, so are the white nationalist. I have no use for white racists but it will be interesting to see how the left reacts to finally getting some return fire.

Posted by: JackStraw


Take 'em home to meet momma, no. Useful streetfighters at a time when getting damn near anyone allegedly on our side to step up, yes.

I really, really wish this reflex to toss any potential ally we find distasteful would be tamped down, just long enough to get something useful done for once.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at August 14, 2017 03:18 PM (AM1GF)

115 I thought it was a criminal act to scream fire in a theater.

why not the media?

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:18 PM (FKrah)

116 Can't wait to see Marco Rubio's surrender tweet on the day they demolish the Jefferson Memorial.

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Heh, only a matter of time. All those monuments in Washington DC are racist.

Posted by: Antifa at August 14, 2017 03:18 PM (5btXr)

117 what's the deal with adding the helicopter crash to the list of victims? Did someone shoot it down?



Gravity is a white construct.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:19 PM (U76Nz)

118 I once saw The Blues Brothers and since that film had a Nazi protest in it I recuse myself of looking at this event.

Posted by: Jeff Sessions at August 14, 2017 03:19 PM (Ojki1)

119 Magnetic? Wow - maybe even I could do that - thanks!
Posted by: grammie winger - how could I dance with another WOO at August 14, 2017 03:17 PM (lwiT4)

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ummmmm...... do you have a steel plate in your forehead??

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:19 PM (8XRCm)

120 my give a shit meter is pegged. on zero. just like the aashats of the nfl. i don't care anymore.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 14, 2017 03:19 PM (KP5rU)

121 And Jenna Jameson responds: "Please go play in the freeway you moron"

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 14, 2017 03:14 PM (+7/1f)


OMG Jenna Jameson is virtue signalling!

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2017 03:19 PM (V8ZRv)

122 magnetic, I don't get this , I get to eachother but your skin?

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:19 PM (FKrah)

123 You can sue the hell out of the cops for "excessive force" if they step in and try to break things up. It does not take a huge leap to imagine that the Antifa twatwads would like nothing more than to have themselves a good old fashioned police beatdown to bray about.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (mf5HN)


Extremely logical explanation. Looking at the recent multi-million dollar payouts it almost seems the *most* logical explanation.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 03:19 PM (EgwCt)

124 And Jenna Jameson responds: "Please go play in the freeway you moron"

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Is it disturbing to anybody else that Jenna Jameson often makes a lot of sense?

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (Nwg0u)

125 magnetic, I don't get this , I get to eachother but your skin?
Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:19 PM (FKrah)

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High again willow??

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (8XRCm)

126 why is nobody talking about the numerous sightings of AntiFa being bused in and seen with Bramd new Nazi and White Supremists flags and clothing in trash bags and later seen wearing this shit?

We know this is a tactic as well.

Sure there were morons there who took the Controlled Oppo Dicky Spencer bait, but let's be honest..... Both sides of this event were funded by Soros and company.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (XFue2)

127 Of course, in the eyes of the Commies, even you will count as a Nazi...
Posted by: Hikaru at August 14, 2017 03:15 PM (XMDuf)

Yep, anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders is a full on, honest to God, Literally Hitler Nazi to these ignorant wackjobs.

Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (KqRop)

128 I don't know who jennison is.

politician, media blogger?

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (FKrah)

129 124; no.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (KP5rU)

130 I don't know who jennison is.

politician, media blogger?
Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (FKrah)

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Porn star.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (8XRCm)

131 >>I really, really wish this reflex to toss any potential ally we find distasteful would be tamped down, just long enough to get something useful done for once.

Sorry, not sorry. White racist scum are no better than any other racist group.

They aren't on my side.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (/tuJf)

132 While I have no particular affinity for Confederate monuments I do have an affinity for history and only a deluded and naive fool does not know where this is heading with regards to statues.

In five years we will be battling over removing statues of Washington, Jefferson and the other founders.

It's simply where the ratchet is moving.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (2JcMg)

133 128; retired pron star.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 14, 2017 03:22 PM (KP5rU)

134 fixerupper, well not yet, but how does magnetic eyelashes stick to my eyelid?

swirls and looks into my tea for answer.

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:22 PM (FKrah)

135 lol.. not sure willow. I would think if you have some of your eyelash there then you just lay one on top of the other and they stick together? I honestly didn't bother to look since I am nowhere near needing them at least not yet!

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at August 14, 2017 03:22 PM (zRZaJ)

136 how do*

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:22 PM (FKrah)

137 Don't forget that Graham and Rubio were beating on Trump over this on Sunday morning.

Squishes with POTUS ambitions like Ryan and Rubio don't realize that the R party is changing. They will soon have no chance in winning R primaries. Silly rabbits ...

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 14, 2017 03:22 PM (+7/1f)

138 I don't know who jennison is.

politician, media blogger?
Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (FKrah)


Go ahead, Google her.

What could go wrong?

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2017 03:22 PM (V8ZRv)

139 Is it disturbing to anybody else that Jenna Jameson often makes a lot of sense?

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (Nwg0u)

Jameson considers herself a businesswoman in a ruthlessly competitive industry. I'll give her that.

Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2017 03:22 PM (Fw5cQ)

140 It's going to be very ironic when somebody someday starts writing an essay with "First, they came for the Nazis......"

Posted by: Mark1971 at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (xPl2J)

141 magnetic, I don't get this , I get to eachother but your skin?
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Have some more.

Posted by: Pot at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (vg8iE)

142 Sheryl Gay just hates hate. Hates it!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (IqV8l)

143 how do*
Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:22 PM (FKrah)

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You know that's Iowan for "Hello".

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (8XRCm)

144 While I have no particular affinity for Confederate monuments I do have an affinity for history and only a deluded and naive fool does not know where this is heading with regards to statues.

In five years we will be battling over removing statues of Washington, Jefferson and the other founders.

It's simply where the ratchet is moving.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (2JcMg)




Yes it is and as it has been pointed out before there isn't much difference between the left and ISIS blowing up historic sights or artifacts.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (493sH)

145 Did Trump call it "domestic terrorism"? The Left had their tits in a wringer because he didn't use those magic words.
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Which shows that they are STILL pissed at Romney for catching ex-President Boyfriend in a lie.

That's all that is about.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (oF/7l)

146 Sorry, not sorry. White racist scum are no better than any other racist group.

They aren't on my side.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (/tuJf)

I like the idea of using any tool to hand when there's a dirty job that needs doing (busting antifa goons' heads in), but I'm with Jack on this one.

I'll crack a grin when the stormers win a street fight, but no way in hell will they ever be "on my side".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (AURKQ)

147 Saw some fake eyelashes with LED's on them.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (V8ZRv)

148 Jewells , shrugging, Someone here should try them and give a thumbs up or down

I could use a fluffier lash area. I have mine but they aren't lush

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (FKrah)

149 129 124; no.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (KP5rU


politician, porn star, whore they are all the fucking same.

When this is all done, it will be whites bad, people of color good.
Although usually violence is hate just manifest.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (ZTRlp)

150 Sorry, not sorry. White racist scum are no better than any other racist group.
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Yes. And pragmatically speaking they're quite a bit worse, since they discredit our side.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (10LGw)

151 During the Baltimore and Ferguson riots, the Legacy Media proclaimed minorities were "just venting their frustrations" or some other BS.

Whenever someone named "Muhammad" commits a terrorist attack, The Legacy Media warns us, "Not to jump to conclusions..."

In Charlottesville, they were calling it a terrorist attack within 2 hours.How many "Hate Crimes" have been hoaxes in

the past few years?

I find it difficult to believe that Liberals WOULDN'T infiltrate Conservative organizations to discredit them.

Posted by: qzy at August 14, 2017 03:24 PM (xr+qv)

152 Go ahead, Google her.

What could go wrong?
Posted by: blaster
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More revenues for Google?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:24 PM (OdK9v)

153 >>>Sorry, not sorry. White racist scum are no better than any other racist group.
They aren't on my side.

Seconded.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:24 PM (ZjR82)

154 o f c o l.

gives up.

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:24 PM (FKrah)

155 I'm tired of #LeftWingPrivilege for violence.
Posted by: Ace at 02:59 PM

^^^^This is what we need...the pushback on narrative. Why aren't we coining these words & getting them into speech.

Do we need to call reps/senators/publications & give them terms like this to use in interviews & twitter?

If we don't give people other terms to use, they will continue to use what's out there. This is where the left totally and continually dwarfs the right.

There's a reason Obama said those who control the narrative have the winning hand.

Or maybe it's just me who thinks this...nevermind.

Donuts!

Posted by: Gorilla gumdrop at August 14, 2017 03:24 PM (EXkrA)

156 The Charlottesville mayor really is a piece of work blaming this whole thing on Trump.

Politically, Trump should condemn both sides and move on, the idea that he has to keep groveling over some 20 year old hitting a person with his car is getting stupid.

Posted by: Maritime at August 14, 2017 03:24 PM (f/ksL)

157 I used to have to bite my tongue to keep from speaking my mind to the idiots, but it just wasn't worth the effort to retort.

Now though, I am having to bite my fingers to keep from Tweeting all kinds of harsh stuff. And again, it just wouldn't be worth the effort to retort.

Burn it. All of it, Jesus.

Posted by: goon at August 14, 2017 03:24 PM (EaQ6/)

158 My whole career was me standing up to hatred. You know all to people I starved or sent to the Gulag? Quite a few of them hated me.

Posted by: Stalin at August 14, 2017 03:25 PM (pMGkg)

159 politician, porn star, whore they are all the fucking same.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2017 03:23 PM (ZTRlp)

whore takes your money and screws you.

Porn star takes your money and screws someone else.

Politician takes your money and screws everyone, you included.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 14, 2017 03:25 PM (AURKQ)

160
Nobody to the right of Elizabeth Warren has a right to protest in a blue
city. Any such right will be ignored by the authorities.
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We not longer have the rule of law, OR the freedom of speech when the rules are not applied evenly.

Be aware--- if you are not:

1. Liberal
2.Muslim
3. Transgender
4. Gay
5. Black

You are NO LONGER PROTECTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

/so glad I do not have children

Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 03:25 PM (aT+Bx)

161 >>While I have no particular affinity for Confederate monuments I do have
an affinity for history and only a deluded and naive fool does not know
where this is heading with regards to statues.



In five years we will be battling over removing statues of Washington, Jefferson and the other founders.
It's simply where the ratchet is moving.

- - - -

Bingo

Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (NOIQH)

162 AssholeWaspSpray


That's some accurate aerosal.

Posted by: garrett at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (qM5lD)

163 Take 'em home to meet momma, no. Useful streetfighters at a time when getting damn near anyone allegedly on our side to step up, yes.

I really, really wish this reflex to toss any potential ally we find distasteful would be tamped down, just long enough to get something useful done for once.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at August 14, 2017 03:18 PM (AM1GF)

They're not our allies, and we should not want anything to do with them whatsoever. Even if they're attacking our enemies, it's best to remember the parable of the scorpion and the frog, and to remember that they're just another crowd of identity politics obsessed enemies of what we stand for.

That said, I'm 100% all for heating up a bowl of popcorn, sitting back, and enjoying the two of them going at it.

Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (KqRop)

164 I like to think with my mish.

Posted by: Jenna at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (vtcmf)

165
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502667845886.webm
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502666291103.webm
Posted by: Hannibal Lecter at August 14, 2017 03:18 PM (8X

The first clip doesn't really tell much
The second one is raw. Look at all those armed antifa scumbags with weapons!
He may be a faggot white supremacist, but he HAD to floor it in reverse or he would have been ripped apart.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (7uYFy)

166 Hope y'all have some cadres of streetfighters in your back pockets.

They may be scum, but I'm not seeing much else to work with here.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (AM1GF)

167 It's simply where the ratchet is moving.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (2JcMg)

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I've got my ears covered and singing. Don't bust my little bubble.

Posted by: Virtue Signaling Right at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (5btXr)

168 Is it disturbing to anybody else that Jenna Jameson often makes a lot of sense?

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (Nwg0u)

Jameson considers herself a businesswoman in a ruthlessly competitive industry. I'll give her that.
Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2017 03:22 PM (Fw5cQ)



The porn industry in general leans libertarian drifting into ancap. You want some interesting discussions about the effects of regulations on a business? One of the best case studies is LA passing all kinds of ludicrous work place safety regulations re: porn and porn producers going okay bye we're off to Nevada.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (mf5HN)

169 Sorry, not sorry. White racist scum are no better than any other racist group.
==

Yes. And pragmatically speaking they're quite a bit worse, since they discredit our side.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton
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You are allowing a Left/MSM narrative to deflect from the core issue of lawlessness on the part of the 'counter protesters'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (OdK9v)

170 If antifas attack the people protesting taking down the monuments, and a dozen antifas got lynched as a result ... yawn. I really don't GAF at this point. Both sides are equally repellant. Like a fight to the death in the Octogon between Dahmer and Bundy.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (/qEW2)

171 AssholeWaspSpray

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Sorry, but if there's a nest in there..... you're on your own.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (8XRCm)

172 I refer you to the masthead to understand my true feelings. Because, feelings.

Posted by: goon at August 14, 2017 03:27 PM (EaQ6/)

173 http://thefederalist.com/2017/08/14/the-reality-of-charlottesville/
Thought this sums it up well

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:27 PM (pPKG5)

174 >>Someone here should try them and give a thumbs up or down


Jenna has had both.

Posted by: garrett at August 14, 2017 03:27 PM (qM5lD)

175 >>In five years we will be battling over removing statues of Washington, Jefferson and the other founders.




And if they ban the founders from the public square they will be banning their ideas, too. Nice way to attempt to invalidate the Constitution, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:27 PM (NOIQH)

176 While I have no particular affinity for Confederate monuments I do have
an affinity for history and only a deluded and naive fool does not know
where this is heading with regards to statues.



In five years we will be battling over removing statues of Washington, Jefferson and the other founders.
It's simply where the ratchet is moving.

- - - -

Bingo
Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (NOIQH)

Yup. Just like repealing "Don't tell, Don't Ask" lead directly to Transexuals in the Military.

Give the Left an inch, they want a Mile

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2017 03:27 PM (5y11N)

177 149; politicians are muck lower on the evolutionary table than whores and pron stars. truth in advertising and all.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 14, 2017 03:27 PM (KP5rU)

178 Do we need to call reps/senators/publications give them terms like this to use in interviews twitter?

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100% of the MSM agrees that the Left can do whatever they want, even murder.

100% of elected Democrats agree that the Left can do whatever they want, even murder.

75% or more of elected Republicans agree that the Left can do whatever they want, even murder



Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 03:27 PM (aT+Bx)

179
Dunkin Donuts new hate-filled crullers....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (mbhDw)

180 166 Hope y'all have some cadres of streetfighters in your back pockets.

They may be scum, but I'm not seeing much else to work with here.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (AM1GF)

And being so eager to hand their scalps to antifa just empowers and encourages them to ratchet things up further.

Posted by: Hikaru at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (XMDuf)

181 AssholeWaspSpray


That's some accurate aerosal.
Posted by: garrett
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Large target.

Posted by: Hope Solo at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (OdK9v)

182 Sorry, not sorry. White racist scum are no better than any other racist group.

They aren't on my side.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (/tuJf)


I'm only a short drive from Gettysburg, Pa. I could sorta imagine myself attending a rally of some sort which attempted to maintain the historical integrity of the site for future generations. History is good -- for those who learn from it. But both sides need to be represented or else it's blatant USSR level propaganda.

I think it's 'broad brush' to paint everyone at the scene as racist.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (EgwCt)

183 I think Charlottesville "Vice Mayor" Wes Bellamy (of anti-white tweets) may have a large hand in this. Apparently he may have been the official who tried to pull the permit for the rally, requiring the organizers to resort to the Federal Court to enjoin cancelling the rally. Then, on cue, armed and masked Antifa/BLM were able to approach the permitted rally and engage violently, "justifying" the declaration of a "state of emergency" and break up of the rally, and disbursing the rally attenders into waiting Antifa/BLM.

My surmise is that this was cooked up between the Governor and the Mayor/Vice-mayor due to both the local PD and the VSP standing down.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (NrdxS)

184 Is it disturbing to anybody else that Jenna Jameson often makes a lot of sense?

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message


Jenna Jameson is a voice of reason, Donald Trump is President, and I'm rooting for Nazis in a streetfight. Brother, we're so far down the rabbit hole right now I feel like I should be off to a tea party with the Mad Hatter.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (AM1GF)

185 The black Vice Mayor of Charlottesville Wes Bellamy hates white people and has openly admitted it on his twitter feed, so yeah, I'm not surprised the cops were told to stand down and let a bunch of white guys get torn up.

Posted by: Hamilton at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (sCjDS)

186 just want to point out that the leftwing media's done more handwringing over (I assume we're calling them nazis now) nazis doing a march than:

a fat union thug, on purpose, like a terrorist, staking out politicians to assassinate.

at least a half dozen muz, preplanned - with forethought - acts of vehicular terrorism.

I don't know if this nazi guy planned to run over people or what but he probably did it spur of the moment. It wasn't a preplanned move. And he didn't shoot down that copter, did he?

If no...then our side needs to:

1. stop apologizing. This is america, some white suckers can march if they want to.

2. point back at the left.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (DQdye)

187
Sheryl Gay-Stolberg:

If the Antifa protestors were not "hate-filled" as you've been commanded to say, then did they beat the shit out of the Nazis out of love and kindness?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 14, 2017 03:29 PM (mbhDw)

188 51
Ace.... not only did the police stand down..... but its been reported that the NAZI event organizer was a two time Obama voter and Occupy WallStreet supporter and CNN contributor......

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (8XRCm)

Where did you get that from?

That seems improbable to me, because I can't imagine the Leftists saying to each other "OK, half of you pretend to be Nazis and then the rest of us will beat you with baseball bats. Sorry, but you'll have to take this for the team...."

Posted by: Donna and V. (without ampersands at the present time) at August 14, 2017 03:29 PM (ZM2xo)

189 175 >>In five years we will be battling over removing statues of Washington, Jefferson and the other founders.




And if they ban the founders from the public square they will be banning their ideas, too. Nice way to attempt to invalidate the Constitution, etc.

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and the then current crop of GOP leaders will be too embarassed of whatever it is the leftwing media has paraded up against them at that time to stand up to it.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:29 PM (DQdye)

190 We should definitely believe the initial media reports. Their accuracy is impeccable.

Posted by: qzy at August 14, 2017 03:29 PM (xr+qv)

191 Like a fight to the death in the Octogon between Dahmer and Bundy.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (/qEW2)

Are we holding that under unified rules, or is biting allowed? Because if the latter, we're getting something that makes Tyson-Holyfield look like a game of bridge.

Three Rounds of an All You Can Eat Buffet

Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:30 PM (KqRop)

192 Top 2 "Trending" on Facebook.Trump enemy list and Trump finally condemns white supremascist 2 days later.

Posted by: steevy at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (rmVvL)

193 Ace.... not only did the police stand down..... but its been reported
that the NAZI event organizer was a two time Obama voter and Occupy
WallStreet supporter and CNN contributor......



Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (8XRCm)



Where did you get that from?
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The Right Wing White Supremacists at the Southern Poverty Law Center:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler

Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (aT+Bx)

194 All this hate talk has me craving a H8 Shake. A peach one.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (PY9jH)

195 The black Vice Mayor of Charlottesville Wes Bellamy hates white people and has openly admitted it on his twitter feed, so yeah, I'm not surprised the cops were told to stand down and let a bunch of white guys get torn up.

Posted by: Hamilton at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (sCjDS)



Sheryl Gay Stoolberg - But he hates white people out of fighting hate

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (493sH)

196 191 Like a fight to the death in the Octogon between Dahmer and Bundy.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (/qEW2)

Are we holding that under unified rules, or is biting allowed? Because if the latter, we're getting something that makes Tyson-Holyfield look like a game of bridge.

Three Rounds of an All You Can Eat Buffet
Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:30 PM (KqRop)

Much like John Podesta, Dahmer only liked to eat young people.

Posted by: Hikaru at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (XMDuf)

197 parable of the scorpion and the frog

Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (KqRop)

Just don't offer any Nazis a ride across the river. Antifas either.

Posted by: golfman at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (48QDY)

198 Is it disturbing to anybody else that Jenna Jameson often makes a lot of sense

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it's not as if "sense" or speaking like a normal is something that is that hard. The kid what said the king has no clothes didn't get a phD in professional clothes seeing.

You have to be a special kind of stupid-smart to be a rubio type who thinks trump has lost the 2016 election becuse of this weekend's riots.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (DQdye)

199 I think it's 'broad brush' to paint everyone at the scene as racist.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman

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I would agree, but I do place most of the blame on that for the NeoNazis that have decided they will use the Confederate flag alongside swastikas as their logo.

I am pissed that these confederate monuments are getting torn down because next will be the Founders and Western Culture, but deep down I knew this was just a win/win for the Left that would eventually elicit the reaction they wanted to get.

Posted by: Maritime at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (f/ksL)

200 Sure did give those Nazis, who're worried about the world their children will grow up in, a good look at what that world will look like. Leftist shitbags getting the kid gloves while Nazi shitbags get the shaft.

This'll work out just fine.

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 14, 2017 03:32 PM (K/9da)

201 169 Sorry, not sorry. White racist scum are no better than any other racist group.
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Yes. And pragmatically speaking they're quite a bit worse, since they discredit our side.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton
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You are allowing a Left/MSM narrative to deflect from the core issue of lawlessness on the part of the 'counter protesters'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (OdK9v)

Not only that...

But it was billed and advertised as a "Unite the Right" Rally...

Not all there were KKK Racist thugs... even though that is how the MSM portrays it.

Posted by: Don Q., at August 14, 2017 03:32 PM (NgKpN)

202 185 The black Vice Mayor of Charlottesville Wes Bellamy hates white people and has openly admitted it on his twitter feed, so yeah, I'm not surprised the cops were told to stand down and let a bunch of white guys get torn up.
Posted by: Hamilton at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (sCjDS)


G-d help me for saying this, but if a white supremacist and/or Nazi gets into it with a Pro-Fa Antifa droog, I might not actually get a reading on my give-a-shit-ometer. That is the result of thee instigation for 8 years of Obama and Holder.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 14, 2017 03:32 PM (mbhDw)

203 I'm only a short drive from Gettysburg, Pa. I could sorta imagine myself attending a rally of some sort which attempted to maintain the historical integrity of the site for future generations. History is good -- for those who learn from it. But both sides need to be represented or else it's blatant USSR level propaganda.

I think it's 'broad brush' to paint everyone at the scene as racist.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman



Was it originally a nazi rally? I thought it was specifically a rally to oppose removal of a confederate monument.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:32 PM (U76Nz)

204 So if men who have a European ancestors, culture, and history are not allowed to have pride, respect, and celebrate their own heratige, then how the fuck can every other tribal group be allowed to do this and act as open supremacists? Why are European men who are chriistian being forced to hate their own heritage? How is this even considered to be healthy for our country? I'm not talking Supremacy btw.

This needs to be addressed in an adult like manner or things will get worse in our country, which is what the endgame is.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 14, 2017 03:33 PM (XFue2)

205 As someone here pointed out yesterday: all those nazis with firearms, and yet they didn't shoot any of the antifa/blm/anarchists pelting them with rocks & bottles, hitting them with pokes, menacing them with makeshift flamethrowers...

I hate Illinois nazis like the next guy, but seriously this is bullshit. Thank God for the autistic 4chan brigade. I'm waiting for them to analyze all the video bit by bit to see if Daily Mail UK's early reporting about the car being attacked is correct. You know the msm is gonna memory hole it

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 14, 2017 03:33 PM (/r9RT)

206 Democrat officials conspired to enable a riot because of politics.

That is domestic terrorism, too.

It's Not Really Different When We Do It, But, Narrative(tm)!

Posted by: Some Recently Unemployed Guy Who Lives in D.C. With Lots of Extra Time On His Hands at August 14, 2017 03:33 PM (Ndje9)

207 Its all about privilege.

Some people, regardless of their skin color have more rights than you do. One of those people is Joe Biden.

Posted by: simplemind at August 14, 2017 03:34 PM (YFYTL)

208 >>Yes. And pragmatically speaking they're quite a bit worse, since they discredit our side.



The painted the Tea Party as racists. For years any time there was a shooter they would label him a tea partyer until his true identity was determined, all to build the narrative that TP = violent radicals.

Then Obama started blaming citizens after each domestic terror attack - that somehow the 'culture of intolerance and bigotry' caused the San Bernardino shooting, the Pulse shooting, etc. And the imaginary backlash, oh how we were lectured about the hatred in our hearts yearning to backlash (that never happened),

Next, they did this with Trump supporters. They were magically responsible for being violently attacked outside of Trump rallies.

Bottom line: Any non-progressives who speak out are used to discredit our side. So then you get tools in Charlottesville willing to punch back twice as hard.


Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:34 PM (NOIQH)

209 This needs to be addressed in an adult like manner
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Never going to happen. Ever.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 14, 2017 03:34 PM (vg8iE)

210 I think it's 'broad brush' to paint everyone at the scene as racist.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 03:28 PM (EgwCt)

And racist or not, they also have a first amendment right of free speech and free assembly, and it appears that they were properly permitted to do so.
I don't have to agree with what you are saying, but I will defend the right to do so, lawfully.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 14, 2017 03:34 PM (tbOMB)

211 Commies agitate.
They could be in control of everything and everyone as far as the eye could see and they would still agitate.
It's what they do, and it is commanded of them by their leaders, be they alive or dead.

Posted by: navybrat at August 14, 2017 03:34 PM (w7KSn)

212 Ace.... not only did the police stand down..... but its been reported that the NAZI event organizer was a two time Obama voter and Occupy WallStreet supporter and CNN contributor......

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (8XRCm)

Where did you get that from?

That seems improbable to me, because I can't imagine the Leftists saying to each other "OK, half of you pretend to be Nazis and then the rest of us will beat you with baseball bats. Sorry, but you'll have to take this for the team...."
Posted by: Donna and V. (without ampersands at the present time) at August 14, 2017 03:29 PM (ZM2xo)

If so, the organizer was probably orchestrating things here, managing to get the real deal wackjobs to do his dirty work, even as they didn't understand that he was using them to a different end. If that really is the case, this guy's a Machiavellian level manipulator.

Posted by: Average Guy at August 14, 2017 03:34 PM (KqRop)

213 This has to be a confusing time for the people at the Neew York Times.

Condemning Nazis, Russia as a Sate Enemy...they must be so confused.

Posted by: garrett at August 14, 2017 03:35 PM (qM5lD)

214 206 Democrat officials conspired to enable a riot because of politics.

That is domestic terrorism, too.

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the existence of these nazis was malum per se, apparently, and they no longer have the rights the ACLU fought for them to have 30 years ago. fine.

but let's not give up forcing the left to own their hateful antifas and assassins, from BLM's Dallas sniper to JAmes fatfuckface from Illinois.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:35 PM (DQdye)

215 My father was a WWII fighter pilot who was both hate filled, fought against and showed extreme violence against Hitler's Air Force. You can be both.

Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2017 03:35 PM (oiNtH)

216 So if men who have a European ancestors, culture, and history are not allowed to have pride, respect, and celebrate their own heratige, then how the fuck can every other tribal group be allowed to do this and act as open supremacists? Why are European men who are chriistian being forced to hate their own heritage? How is this even considered to be healthy for our country? I'm not talking Supremacy btw.



Have you noticed which month is White Heritage month? I think it's Shutupwhiteyber, Not hat I need or care for having a month but all of the other ones are just stupid

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:35 PM (493sH)

217
Seriously, it's time to RICO and convict GEORGE SOROS.

His money backs at a minimum 50% of this which is now borderline insurrection. He needs to be stripped of his citizenship, 100% of his wealth confiscated and then deported to Hungary.

NOW.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 14, 2017 03:35 PM (mbhDw)

218 Rethinking this. Should have said violent, not hate-filled.

LOL. Violence without the dreaded "hate" is so different than the same violence with hate. It's as if the hate makes the violence so much more ... violent.

Enough with this asinine "hate" crap, already. I really hate this hate crap.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 14, 2017 03:35 PM (rZ+mb)

219 So did the police do any symbolic arrests?

Posted by: Beartooth at August 14, 2017 03:36 PM (/8EBC)

220 But it was billed and advertised as a "Unite the Right" Rally...

Not all there were KKK Racist thugs... even though that is how the MSM portrays it.
Posted by: Don Q., at August 14, 2017 03:32 PM (NgKpN)

we watched them do the same thing to the tea party.

unfortunately there is some validity to kkk slipping in

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:36 PM (FKrah)

221 193 Ace.... not only did the police stand down..... but its been reported
that the NAZI event organizer was a two time Obama voter and Occupy
WallStreet supporter and CNN contributor......



Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:09 PM (8XRCm)



Where did you get that from?
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The Right Wing White Supremacists at the Southern Poverty Law Center:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler
Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (aT+Bx)

This should be a blog post in of itself. It should be a headline somewhere for people to see.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 14, 2017 03:36 PM (XFue2)

222 Bottom line: Any non-progressives who speak out are used to discredit our side. So then you get tools in Charlottesville willing to punch back twice as hard.




Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:34 PM (NOIQH)


Exactly.

Also isn't it funny that the "Left" has to hide their true identity behind hoods and scarves. If they were so proud of their actions why not display it loud and proud?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2017 03:36 PM (ZTRlp)

223 The kid what said the king has no clothes didn't get a phD in professional clothes seeing.

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I like this so I wanted to see it again.


Posted by: grammie winger - how could I dance with another WOO at August 14, 2017 03:36 PM (lwiT4)

224 also, let the lefties hyperventilate themselves into an oxygen deprived coma. Who cares?

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:37 PM (DQdye)

225 His money backs at a minimum 50% of this which is now borderline insurrection. He needs to be stripped of his citizenship, 100% of his wealth confiscated and then deported to Hungary.

NOW.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 14, 2017 03:35 PM (mbhDw)

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He's a former Nazi colaborator.

He's damaged more than a few nations states.

He's up to his neck in American subversion.



I suprised the guy hasnt been whacked yet.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:37 PM (8XRCm)

226
Jason Kessler. Jewish sounding name to my ears.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 14, 2017 03:37 PM (mbhDw)

227 If Sessions hadn't spent his time fiddle fucking around with pot enforcement and property seizures from day one, we wouldn't be here right now. He should be investigating Soros and the dem ties to these terrorist groups.

I'm sick of waiting on that old geezer.

Fuck him.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 14, 2017 03:37 PM (mcI77)

228 223 The kid what said the king has no clothes didn't get a phD in professional clothes seeing.

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I like this so I wanted to see it again.

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thanks, I likes it to...its my precious.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:37 PM (DQdye)

229 Shep! isn't on today. He must have a case of the vapors.


Posted by: Jane D'oh

He forgot to pack his waterproof eyeliner and mascara. His foppish tears would not stop.

Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2017 03:38 PM (oiNtH)

230 225
I suprised the guy hasnt been whacked yet.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:37 PM (8XRCm)


He's guarded out the wa-zoo I imagine. But I want due process. AND.... all of his money which is the weapon that fuels this.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 14, 2017 03:38 PM (mbhDw)

231 fixerupper, he's bought all the high level politicians.

Posted by: willow at August 14, 2017 03:38 PM (FKrah)

232 This has to be a confusing time for the people at the Neew York Times.

Condemning Nazis, Russia as a Sate Enemy...they must be so confused.
Posted by: garrett
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We've always been at war with Eastasia.

Posted by: NYT at August 14, 2017 03:39 PM (OdK9v)

233 Was it originally a nazi rally? I thought it was specifically a rally to oppose removal of a confederate monument.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:32 PM (U76Nz)

That was my reading of it. Some heavy handed government type decided to remove the statue without any citizen input. Citizens decided to provide some input. Then the 'other' groups piled on.

With predictable results. Which is why local police, state police, and National Guard were ordered to maintain peace. Which they failed miserably at providing.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 03:39 PM (EgwCt)

234 161 >>While I have no particular affinity for Confederate monuments I do have
an affinity for history and only a deluded and naive fool does not know
where this is heading with regards to statues.

In five years we will be battling over removing statues of Washington, Jefferson and the other founders.
It's simply where the ratchet is moving.

- - - -

Bingo

Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 03:26 PM (NOIQH)

When I was studying Islam...to understand it...one of the things I came across explained why ISIS & well, many Muslims, believe in destroying history. B/c if there are no traces of it, eventually you can write it yourself.

Thought it was crazy until I played it out. Yes, you could actually, eventually, over time, do that. Chilled me.

We are losing battles, but we must think long term and win the war. JMO.

Posted by: Gorilla gumdrop at August 14, 2017 03:39 PM (EXkrA)

235 This is Charlottesvile, where the media is in bed with the lying left.

Remember the rape hoax story that Rolling Stone wrote about the University of Virginia?

Remember the vandalism and threats and demonstrations based upon the hoax that was echoed and unchallenged by the media?

Yeah. Good times, Charlottesville. Good times.

Media bias bigotry.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 14, 2017 03:39 PM (4AVeu)

236 I tried to follow the links in the heading and thought it would lead here
libertyunyielding police charlottesville told stand unless otherwise-instructed
But it didn't

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:39 PM (pPKG5)

237 If they were so proud of their actions why not display it loud and proud?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2017 03:36 PM (ZTRlp)


Speaking untruth to unpower is not easy to benefit from when you're identifiable!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 14, 2017 03:40 PM (gwPgz)

238 Nice to know how the rules work now.

Standing up to hate means you can billy-club someone.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 14, 2017 03:40 PM (jxbfJ)

239 Everyone knows the violence of the Left comes from a place of love. No hate! Just loving, loving bike chains and rifles.

Posted by: a sincere fan at August 14, 2017 03:41 PM (jeAuW)

240 213 This has to be a confusing time for the people at the Neew York Times.

Condemning Nazis, Russia as a Sate Enemy...they must be so confused.

Posted by: garrett at August 14, 2017 03:35 PM (qM5lD)

No, not really.

Black=Good
White=Bad

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2017 03:41 PM (ZTRlp)

241 The Right Wing White Supremacists at the Southern Poverty Law Center:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler
Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (aT+Bx)

Yep, Kessler was there to play Nazi for the Left's cameras and non-hatefilled Nazi haters.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at August 14, 2017 03:41 PM (J70i0)

242 I would agree, but I do place most of the blame on that for the NeoNazis that have decided they will use the Confederate flag alongside swastikas as their logo.

I am pissed that these confederate monuments are getting torn down because next will be the Founders and Western Culture, but deep down I knew this was just a win/win for the Left that would eventually elicit the reaction they wanted to get.

Posted by: Maritime at August 14, 2017 03:31 PM (f/ksL)

This.

I was not in agreement that the battle flag was a racist symbol. Having it flown next to the swastika makes that position virtually impossible to defend.

And yet the next bridge is just a short march away. We are going to have to make a stand against violent historical revisionism.

Posted by: TexasDan at August 14, 2017 03:41 PM (yL25O)

243 Shouldn't #leftwingprivilege be #whiteprivilege? Maybe should add that in somewhere on that unpacking whiteness listicle

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at August 14, 2017 03:42 PM (KoTJX)

244 Who's going to be the leader who seizes this moment?

The left has always been out in the streets busting heads. Now the "right" is doing it too, like a boil rising to the surface ready to be popped.

Who will be the one to organize protests of sane, normal Americans, who vote D and R and I and G and whatever else? A march against politics. A march against violence. A march against the real hatred.

I want to see a line of journalists, farmers, doctors, mechanics; gun-haters and open-carriers; pro-abortion and anti-abortion; atheists, christians, muslims, everyone. Arm in arm, no placards, no chanting, just standing against the thugs in the street and the anarchy and barbarism they represent.

The politicians and bagmen like Soros want this violence. The average person does not.

How do we turn to our neighbor, who on any other day we disagree with, and say "if that garbage happens here, and we have to pick a side, I'm marching with YOU. Not the Marxists. Not the Fascists." How do we get to that point?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 14, 2017 03:42 PM (AURKQ)

245 >>>That was my reading of it. Some heavy handed government type decided to remove the statue without any citizen input. Citizens decided to provide some input. Then the 'other' groups piled on.

City council, members are elected officials. Four year terms, staggered. "Citizens" providing objecting input seemed to come from other states.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:42 PM (ZjR82)

246 Speaking untruth to unpower is not easy to benefit from when you're identifiable!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 14, 2017 03:40 PM (gwPgz


un-fucking-believable

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2017 03:42 PM (ZTRlp)

247 LOL. Violence without the dreaded "hate" is so different than the same violence with hate.
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Or words. Hate Words are criminal. Same words without hate are okay. The Left never speaks out of hate.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:42 PM (OdK9v)

248 Here is the link
http://tinyurl.com/yd2w89kr
Contains statements on police standing down and funneling the groups together

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:42 PM (pPKG5)

249 **adds more padding to the colander face-mask**

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 14, 2017 03:43 PM (fA1SL)

250 whoa whoa whoaaaaa..

you can't ask these evil subhuman monsters what they were doing there, you have to take the lefwing media's word ... their summary ... for it.

So, they may be alt-right or anti-civil-war-removal types but all that matters is some headline writer says they're evil super scum white ... somethings.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:43 PM (DQdye)

251 * monuments (not history)

And I can't even blame autocumber this time! Rats!

Posted by: Gorilla gumdrop at August 14, 2017 03:43 PM (EXkrA)

252 >>And racist or not, they also have a first amendment right of free speech and free assembly, and it appears that they were properly permitted to do so.
I don't have to agree with what you are saying, but I will defend the right to do so, lawfully.


And virtually nobody says they don't save the loons on the left. Go figure, they are totalitarians. I don't want anyone to be barred from speaking as long as they do it lawfully. Doesn't mean I have to support them.

As to broad brushes, if we don't call out the people who as a matter of convenience help us while at the same time are scumbags I don't see that we have a lot to complain about with Muslims who refuse to call out the radicals in their own ranks.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:44 PM (/tuJf)

253 Black=Good
White=Bad

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2017 03:41 PM (ZTRlp)


What's the old line? To know who's really in charge, find out who it is that you can't criticize and who it is you must praise!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 14, 2017 03:44 PM (gwPgz)

254 I was not in agreement that the battle flag was a racist symbol. Having it flown next to the swastika makes that position virtually impossible to defend.

***

that's the problem here. For me, and I am notgoing to do any reasearch on it. but the anti-fas carry around n@zi flgas to make the point that they're bashing nazis etc.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:44 PM (DQdye)

255 Was it originally a nazi rally? I thought it was specifically a rally to oppose removal of a confederate monument.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:32 PM (U76Nz)

I read somewhere, and I don't know where, that it was not initially a KKK/NAZI rally. They hyjacked it and them many of the legit right wing groups pulled out?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2017 03:44 PM (5y11N)

256 The Virginia State Police ran away.
Posted by: rd at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (4dz1m)

Bravely ran away!
When danger reared its ugly head
The popo turned their tails and fled!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2017 03:44 PM (0mRoj)

257 >>>7 Is this a fact or rumor or speculation at this point?
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I think it's between a speculation and a fact. The police did not seem to intervene much, and did not engage in the routine precaution of separating opposed groups.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2017 03:05 PM (8rNrN)
**************************************

Fox reporter on the scene says first he was told to stand over there with the cops to be safe after that the cops start moving, He asks what's up, they reply, we're retreating it's not safe here.

Posted by: gNewt at August 14, 2017 03:45 PM (yIPKR)

258 >>>As to broad brushes, if we don't call out the people who as a matter of convenience help us while at the same time are scumbags I don't see that we have a lot to complain about with Muslims who refuse to call out the radicals in their own ranks.

And, BINGO!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:45 PM (ZjR82)

259 253 Black=Good
White=Bad

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2017 03:41 PM (ZTRlp)

***

it is amusing, we're seeing an inversion of that old, feel sorry for minorities study where the black dolls were ugly and white dolls were pretty.

Now, the whitez are making themselves black. Like dolezal or the various whiggers we see on TV.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:46 PM (DQdye)

260 why ISIS & well, many Muslims, believe in destroying history. B/c if there are no traces of it, eventually you can write it yourself.

+++

Only that's not why the left does this. This is more akin to the Temperance Movement and Carrie Nation

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at August 14, 2017 03:46 PM (KoTJX)

261 But it was billed and advertised as a "Unite the Right" Rally...

Not all there were KKK Racist thugs... even though that is how the MSM portrays it.
==

That's probably true.

But think about it this way. If you were a professional agitator, and you were trying to infiltrate and discredit our side, who would you invite to this rally? (Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists, right?)

And then what would you call the rally? (Something that makes it sound like normal conservatives are on board with the most racist assholes you invited, right?)

I'm not saying this is what happened, but it's so helpful to the other side, it might as well have been.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at August 14, 2017 03:46 PM (10LGw)

262
What's the old line? To know who's really in charge, find out who it is that you can't criticize and who it is you must praise!


Often attributed to Voltaire, but IIRC was actually said by a Nazi. The real kind.

Doesn't mean he was wrong, anymore than Goebbels and his Big Lie theory (which was more, in original context, a Unified Theory of Competing Lies).

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 14, 2017 03:46 PM (eXSOZ)

263 My apologies if this has already been mentioned, but there might have been some personal animosity in play. The Vice Mayor, Wes Bellamy, was recently busted for racist and sexist tweets and posts that cost him his job as a teacher. According to the SPLC entry on Unite the Right's Kessler, Kessler himself ran an expose on this (and the entry seems to imply that this is what brought attention to Bellamy's on-line shenanigans). Given this, the events of the weekend might have all been the result of a personal feud between the two men.

Posted by: junior at August 14, 2017 03:46 PM (Q6qiA)

264 The only option left is going Galt. Protests won't work because anybody doing it will have their lives destroyed. Voting obviously does not work.

Going Galt. It's the only way.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 14, 2017 03:47 PM (XFue2)

265 Was the young woman's death caused by right wing domestic terrorism ?
And yes the left groups did have not one but two permits and ace the right wingers were out of town agitators the city did not want them there

Posted by: Sure at August 14, 2017 03:47 PM (kMDa4)

266 Charlottesville about tohold a police news conference

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:47 PM (pPKG5)

267 As to broad brushes, if we don't call out the people who as a matter of convenience help us while at the same time are scumbags I don't see that we have a lot to complain about with Muslims who refuse to call out the radicals in their own ranks.

You equate acts of horrific terror against innocent civilians with what should have been an hour long protest about heavy handed historical revisionism. Did Banana Rama steal your nic?

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 03:47 PM (EgwCt)

268 Ace, your idea about a national divorce is a good one. Blue Cities seem to live by their own laws anyway.

Posted by: Mike at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (c056A)

269 >>>Now, the whitez are making themselves black. Like dolezal or the various whiggers we see on TV.

What's a "whigger"?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (ZjR82)

270 The Virginia State Police ran away.
Posted by: rd at August 14, 2017 03:11 PM (4dz1m)

Bravely ran away!
When danger reared its ugly head
The popo turned their tails and fled!
Posted by: Insomniac



Who forgot the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (U76Nz)

271 What's a "whigger"?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (ZjR82)

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*types*
*deletes*

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (8XRCm)

272 268 Ace, your idea about a national divorce is a good one. Blue Cities seem to live by their own laws anyway.

**8
blue states get "sanctuary" exceptions you red state wingnutz get swat teams.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (DQdye)

273 And yes the left groups did have not one but two permits ...
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Is this a fact?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (OdK9v)

274 264. 'There is another option.' - A. Pinochet, rotary-wing enthusiast

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (fA1SL)

275 Life is cheap in blue cities.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 14, 2017 03:49 PM (mcI77)

276 More info here about Jason Kessler:

http://tinyurl.com/yb8t7v5k

Safe for work I think.

Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 03:49 PM (aT+Bx)

277 Presser with the Mayor soon and he will be asked about shit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2017 03:49 PM (5y11N)

278 The politicians and bagmen like Soros want this violence. The average person does not.

+++

Dude. You're getting a Color Revolution.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at August 14, 2017 03:50 PM (KoTJX)

279 They were standing up to hate.

Everyone's the hero in their own Narrative.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 14, 2017 03:50 PM (oVJmc)

280 Have the pundits fretted about a backlash towards White Lives Matter, yet?

...didn't think so.

Posted by: qzy at August 14, 2017 03:50 PM (xr+qv)

281 264 The only option left is going Galt. Protests won't work because anybody doing it will have their lives destroyed. Voting obviously does not work.

Going Galt. It's the only way.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe



After that solar CME takes out the internet, that ammunition hording won't seem like such a bad idea after all. Gonna be a bitch fixing the grid without electricians.

Posted by: Roy at August 14, 2017 03:50 PM (7n4KQ)

282 Charlottesville about tohold a police news conference

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:47 PM (pPKG5)




I can't wait for all of that double talk

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:50 PM (493sH)

283
Safe for work I think.
Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 03:49 PM (aT+Bx)


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Just keep thinking that....

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at August 14, 2017 03:50 PM (8XRCm)

284 You're thinking too hard. Left wing, big city pols are holding back the cops from arresting lefty goons. Same thing that was happening during the Trump campaign. Let the lefty mobs bust some heads.
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for the Cleveland GOP convention. Cops did a great job. No serious problems. a few scuffles. They had the manpower and were prepared.

If they want to keep people safe, they can. They have to commit to it and it costs money. If they don't want to protect, they don't have to do it. Oddly enough, that's the law.

I was thinking this was going to be a bad summer. So we had the mass assassination attempt and then it was pretty quiet. Was wondering if the Soros goons were going to get in another flurry before the summer ended. Looks like Soros had some timing problems with that freelance attack but he's still got a couple of weeks to get the riots going.



Posted by: simplemind at August 14, 2017 03:50 PM (ExKnu)

285 267 As to broad brushes, if we don't call out the people who as a matter of convenience help us while at the same time are scumbags I don't see that we have a lot to complain about with Muslims who refuse to call out the radicals in their own ranks.

You equate acts of horrific terror against innocent civilians with what should have been an hour long protest about heavy handed historical revisionism. Did Banana Rama steal your nic?
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 03:47 PM (EgwCt)

Yeah, that's some serious false equivalence there.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2017 03:50 PM (0mRoj)

286 Ace would you join a counter demonstration against Nazis chanting anti Jew slogans ?
Or woul you just go meh
Freedom of speech

Posted by: Sure at August 14, 2017 03:51 PM (kMDa4)

287 278. They're trying like Hell. Won't work, though, because there are no U.S. embassies here.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 14, 2017 03:51 PM (fA1SL)

288 4chan is about as reliable as breathless gateway pundit

Posted by: NCKate at August 14, 2017 03:51 PM (8Xttu)

289 Presser with the Mayor soon and he will be asked about shit



Air balls from fellow travelers.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2017 03:51 PM (U76Nz)

290
Last time I checked Rhode Island residents didn't have any Civil War battlefields in their own backyards.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 03:52 PM (EgwCt)

291 The U.S. is just a rich third world country now. In 20 years there won't be anything different from anywhere else. Too bad, so sad.

Posted by: a sincere fan at August 14, 2017 03:52 PM (jeAuW)

292 263 My apologies if this has already been mentioned, but there might have been some personal animosity in play. The Vice Mayor, Wes Bellamy, was recently busted for racist and sexist tweets and posts that cost him his job as a teacher. According to the SPLC entry on Unite the Right's Kessler, Kessler himself ran an expose on this (and the entry seems to imply that this is what brought attention to Bellamy's on-line shenanigans). Given this, the events of the weekend might have all been the result of a personal feud between the two men.
Posted by: junior at August 14, 2017 03:46 PM (Q6qiA)
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That's new to me.

But I do know the authorities wanted them to move the protest to a different park & so they got a lawyer to defend themselves & won the right to the park they wanted.

This happened 3 weeks prior.

So when I heard the police stood down, I thought, this may be a big FU for not moving to that other park.


Posted by: Gorilla gumdrop at August 14, 2017 03:52 PM (EXkrA)

293 In fairness to the mayor and the police, who could have foreseen than nazi protesters and counter-protestors coming together might result in violence?

Posted by: Mx4 at August 14, 2017 03:52 PM (vVFg7)

294 'There is another option.' - A. Pinochet, rotary-wing enthusiast
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine
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I prefer the Bohemian style. More cost efficient.

Posted by: Defenestration at August 14, 2017 03:52 PM (OdK9v)

295 I am not responsible for what other people do.
You know why?
I am an individual.
I am not a collective, I don't live in a hive, and I'm not an insect.

Posted by: navybrat at August 14, 2017 03:52 PM (w7KSn)

296 I'll remind you that Gov. Jay Nixon (D) also withheld the National Guard in Ferguson.

All so the police could be attacked and overwhelmed, it would seem.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 14, 2017 03:52 PM (oVJmc)

297 >>You equate acts of horrific terror against innocent civilians with what should have been an hour long protest about heavy handed historical revisionism. Did Banana Rama steal your nic?

I equate supporting a group with a hateful, murderous past who preaches hatred and tries to cover it with a patina of patriotism with exactly what it is, wrong.

Don't kid yourself, the Unite the Right guys knew they were heading to a fight. No, not everyone and that's the problem. If this was a bunch of Baptist Ministers or the Daughters of the Confederacy that would be one thing. This is a group that is trying to unite with us and have us linked and I don't want them.

If you do then have it. Just because someone does something I like does not blind me to the rest of their actions. Lots of people supported the Soviets when they helped us fight the Nazis. How did that work out?

The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:53 PM (/tuJf)

298 and it is a tragedy the girl died because of the car accident. or car assault.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:53 PM (DQdye)

299 It doesn't matter if they were the scum of the earth they were obeying the law. It was the antifa that disobeyed the law.

Straying away from that point is giving ground to the left.

Posted by: gNewt at August 14, 2017 03:53 PM (yIPKR)

300 I was not in agreement that the battle flag was a racist symbol. Having it flown next to the swastika makes that position virtually impossible to defend. And yet the next bridge is just a short march away. We are going to have to make a stand against violent historical revisionism.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 14, 2017 03:41 PM (yL25O)



What kills me is these dumbasses use the Confederate battle flag, but probably have no idea who Stand Watie or Judah P. Benjamin were.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 14, 2017 03:53 PM (uiwCw)

301 The U.S. is just a rich third world country now. In 20 years there won't be anything different from anywhere else. Too bad, so sad.
Posted by: a sincere fan
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Detroit, writ large.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:54 PM (OdK9v)

302 As to broad brushes, if we don't call out the people who as a matter of convenience help us while at the same time are scumbags I don't see that we have a lot to complain about with Muslims who refuse to call out the radicals in their own ranks.

And, BINGO!


Counterargument: if we call out those people helping as as convenient, we enable the media Kafkatrap that enables the claim that we have a reason to distance ourselves. The same does not apply to Islamic terror, because it is absofuckinlutely Islamic in nature, in a way that White Power marches are not conservative.

Further, I don't give a shit about who condemns violence or doesn't. What I care about is results. Islamic nation states have the ability to clamp down on their Bad Children and do not, whereas we on the right have literally no control over the Funky Haircut Dudes.

Add to this that any disavowals produced from Islam by request are taqiyya anyway for the most part, and the Left will bludgeon us with them (as sincere!) just as much as bludgeoning anything we say as insincere, fuck that thing in particular. Heads we win, tails you lose? Homey don't play that.

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 14, 2017 03:54 PM (eXSOZ)

303 Question -I didn't see President DT at the white supremacist rally but sure seem to be reading from Leftists that he was there and lead them into the fray

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:54 PM (pPKG5)

304 Going Galt. It's the only way.

++++

Hide out in the secret underground city under Death Valley, man

Posted by: Charles Manson at August 14, 2017 03:54 PM (KoTJX)

305 291 The U.S. is just a rich third world country now. In 20 years there won't be anything different from anywhere else. Too bad, so sad.

***

that's weird. I thought the unassimilated millions of 3rd world underclass folks we brought in over the last 20 years would have been our strengthinging because of diversity(tm).

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:54 PM (DQdye)

306 I'll remind you that Gov. Jay Nixon (D) also withheld the National Guard in Ferguson.



All so the police could be attacked and overwhelmed, it would seem.
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1. Stage Violent Protest
2. Tell police to stand down
3. Blame Whitey when someone is killed
4. Cause US Race War
5. Profit!

Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 03:55 PM (aT+Bx)

307 299 It doesn't matter if they were the scum of the earth they were obeying the law. It was the antifa that disobeyed the law.

Straying away from that point is giving ground to the left.
Posted by: gNewt at August 14, 2017 03:53 PM (yIPKR)

Unfortunately far too many people are running away from that as fast as they can.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2017 03:55 PM (0mRoj)

308 Detroit, writ large.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:54 PM (OdK9v)

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Speaking of which.... I guess the Nazis appropriated the winged wheel on some of their regalia and the Detroit Red Wings are none to happy about it.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 03:55 PM (8XRCm)

309 And yet the next bridge is just a short march away.





Arnhem: That's what you think

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:56 PM (493sH)

310 I'm not taking to the street to fight anyone. My tribe is my family. If you come to me to fight, I'll fight. I'm not going out in search of a fight or to defend anyone not my family. The only group I belong to is genetic.

Posted by: NCKate at August 14, 2017 03:56 PM (8Xttu)

311 BTW, you guys...shhhhh.

If the GOP doesn't disown this...and disown Trump...it will be too late to replace him in October so we can lose the 2016 election with dignity.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 03:56 PM (DQdye)

312 299 It doesn't matter if they were the scum of the earth they were obeying the law. It was the antifa that disobeyed the law.

Straying away from that point is giving ground to the left.
Posted by: gNewt at August 14, 2017 03:53 PM (yIPKR)


And making a show out of handing their skulls to Antifa just encourages Antifa to attack even MORE people.

Posted by: Hikaru at August 14, 2017 03:56 PM (XMDuf)

313 They were standing up to hate.

Everyone's the hero in their own Narrative.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles
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There's still facts. It can be discerned who was morally wrong in their actions. I don't give a shit about the "hate" that may have existed in the minds of this or that participant.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 14, 2017 03:56 PM (/qEW2)

314 Since I'm still in power, just let me know who to investigate after this dies down a little.

Posted by: John Koskinen at August 14, 2017 03:56 PM (mcI77)

315 Detroit, writ large.
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Actually, Detroit has a white mayor now, and, so far, the city has not seen the same kind of violence as elsewhere.

However, if you mean "non-whites destroy city and demand whites not living there support them for life," well, that's another story entirely.

Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 03:57 PM (aT+Bx)

316 Question -I didn't see President DT at the white supremacist rally but sure seem to be reading from Leftists that he was there and lead them into the fray

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2017 03:54 PM (pPKG5)



MFM: Gee, I wonder where they're getting that from?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2017 03:57 PM (493sH)

317 What's a whigger?

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A word that helpfully identifies its user as an asshole.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Everyone at August 14, 2017 03:57 PM (nhWB9)

318 Speaking of which.... I guess the Nazis appropriated the winged wheel on some of their regalia and the Detroit Red Wings are none to happy about it.
Posted by: fixerupper
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In fairness, there's nothing very flashy about a piston.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:57 PM (OdK9v)

319 Detroit, writ large.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:54 PM (OdK9v)

I think Ace commented that it is time for that national divorce. I agree.

Posted by: MAC SOG at August 14, 2017 03:57 PM (QPdNE)

320 In fairness to the mayor and the police, who could have foreseen than nazi protesters and counter-protestors coming together might result in violence?

Posted by: Mx4 at August 14, 2017 03:52 PM (vVFg7)


Perhaps when they decided that the local police weren't up to the task. Then, upon further reflection decided to throw the state police into the mix. Then, upon further reflection decided to throw the National Guard into the mix.

Then told the various Law Enforcement types to stand around with their hands in their pockets. And btw permitted protesters, exit over there -- where the antifa are waiting to set you ablaze.

http://tinyurl.com/AssholeWaspSpray

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 03:57 PM (EgwCt)

321 Cville morn here:
Following the KKK rally just a few weeks ago Mayor Mike Signer was heavily criticized for allowing the police to fire tear gas into the crowd of mostly-peaceful anti-racist protestors. Somehow these protestors made the KKK look reasonable and level-headed by comparison.
It seems the mayor is mostly interested in his book and appeasing his very left-wing co-city council and his Black supremacist co-city councilor, namely Kristen Szakos and Wes Bellamy.
Bellamy has a slew of highly racist and misogynist tweets from just 2 years. These were discovered by Jason Kessler, the organizer of the rally in town and his initial claim to fame.
The mayor has done his best to not really take a strong stance on any issue. Meanwhile city council meetings regularly devolve into a circus with attendees being allowed to chant "fuck white supremacy" when white speakers take the podium. Or black attendees being allowed to approach the councilor's bench while other citizens are speaking and ask city council to share some of their watermelon. Yes, the city councilo was trolling the citizenry by pantomiming stereotypes during the remarks portion of the meeting.
Seeing as how these are routinely allowed, one could absolutely believe that the mayor leaned on the chief of police to be more respectful of protestors this time.

Posted by: Chris M at August 14, 2017 03:58 PM (FGZtn)

322 Posted by: Sure at August 14, 2017 03:51 PM (kMDa4)
Jared "Whoreson" Gargleballs, I presume.

You seriously don't get that conservatism is based on conserving rights for everyone, so you *presume* Ace permitting free speech rights to fascists makes him complicit, or that he might as well join the march.

You are made of stupid.

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 14, 2017 03:58 PM (eXSOZ)

323 312 299 It doesn't matter if they were the scum of the earth they were obeying the law. It was the antifa that disobeyed the law.

Straying away from that point is giving ground to the left.
Posted by: gNewt at August 14, 2017 03:53 PM (yIPKR)


And making a show out of handing their skulls to Antifa just encourages Antifa to attack even MORE people.
Posted by: Hikaru at August 14, 2017 03:56 PM (XMDuf)

Also this. Cheering on their violent veto just validates their tactics.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2017 03:58 PM (0mRoj)

324 I'm a little tired of hearing how people support the First Amendment and then they beat or support people beating others speaking words they don't agree with.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2017 03:58 PM (6eWxL)

325 MFM: Gee, I wonder where they're getting that from?
Posted by: TheQuietMan
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Leaked, by unnamed source.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:58 PM (OdK9v)

326 How do we turn to our neighbor, who on any other day we disagree with, and say "if that garbage happens here, and we have to pick a side, I'm marching with YOU. Not the Marxists. Not the Fascists." How do we get to that point?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 14, 2017 03:42 PM (AURKQ)

As to broad brushes, if we don't call out the people who as a matter of convenience help us while at the same time are scumbags I don't see that we have a lot to complain about with Muslims who refuse to call out the radicals in their own ranks.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:44 PM (/tuJf)

Two for one shot. It's identity politics now. You may not like. You may not want it. But it's what you are stuck with. The establishment created this wonderful multicultural society and now everyone is running to divide the spoils. It's just starting to get bad because whites are beginning to realize what has happened. Multicultural societies vote along ethnic and religious lines. And you know, Muslims have a vested interest in not calling out their scumbags. You're going to find that it's going to be harder to call out our own.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at August 14, 2017 03:59 PM (J70i0)

327 I'll remind you that Gov. Jay Nixon (D) also withheld the National Guard in Ferguson.



All so the police could be attacked and overwhelmed, it would seem.
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1. Stage Violent Protest
2. Tell police to stand down
3. Blame Whitey when someone is killed
4. Cause US Race War
5. Profit!
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(please note, No. 5 is brought to you by George Soros)

Posted by: simplemind at August 14, 2017 04:00 PM (ExKnu)

328 If anyone who is not anti-white is to be considered a Nazi, then I guess you could call it a Nazi gathering.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 14, 2017 04:00 PM (Px8Hq)

329 I'm a little tired of hearing how people support the First Amendment and then they beat or support people beating others speaking words they don't agree with.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Hypocrisy is one of central tenets of Left/Liberal/Progressive philosophy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 04:00 PM (OdK9v)

330 And making a show out of handing their skulls to Antifa just encourages Antifa to attack even MORE people.
Posted by: Hikaru at August 14, 2017 03:56 PM (XMDuf)

Also this. Cheering on their violent veto just validates their tactics.

***

most normals have no idea what the anti-fa is so the media has an extra card up their sleeve when describing this stuff. the gop is unable to make a coherent statement on anything other than "uhrrrr lower taxes" and "reagan" so they hope, instead, for moderates to vote for them by accident.

I guess I'm saying it's ok, we know it's unfair. What can you do. We've already lost, get over it.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 04:00 PM (DQdye)

331 Meh, when Nazis and Commies kill each other, America wins.

Posted by: regular joe at August 14, 2017 04:01 PM (O50yS)

332 Did the Charlottesville Mayor Order Police to Stand Down, to Allow His Allies in #Antifa to Rough Up the Nazis?

Of course. Is this even a question? It's what they do.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 14, 2017 04:01 PM (QQ+il)

333 >>>A word that helpfully identifies its user as an asshole

That's what I thought! Thanks!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 04:01 PM (ZjR82)

334 329 I'm a little tired of hearing how people support the First Amendment and then they beat or support people beating others speaking words they don't agree with.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Hypocrisy is one of central tenets of Left/Liberal/Progressive philosophy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 04:00 PM (OdK9v)

Unfortunately some people nominally on the right seem to agree with this, as long as the people getting beat up hold views they find distasteful.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2017 04:01 PM (0mRoj)

335 317 What's a whigger?

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A word that helpfully identifies its user as an asshole.


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Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 04:02 PM (DQdye)

336 The Supreme Court of the United States of America ruled that Nazi and other POSs have the right to assemble and march.

What I think on Nazis or any other tripe has no bearing on the law. The law is the basis from which all else flows. If we do not honor the law in this case then we do not honor the law. Welcome, anarchy.

Posted by: gNewt at August 14, 2017 04:02 PM (yIPKR)

337 I hate Tribalism.

And yes, the Antifa Hipster Jugend and their Fellow Traveler Black Supremecists-Nationalists and LA RAZA racists are just as bad as the Neo-Nazi's , White Supremacists and KKK Racists.

None would agree that individuals should be judged according to the content of their character or the statement that ALL Lives Matter.

But for the Left Tribalism is what's for dinner. It's the only thing they have left. It's divide and conquer on a grand scale.

Posted by: Minuteman at August 14, 2017 04:02 PM (aRXNK)

338 Leaked, by unnamed source.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 03:58 PM (OdK9v)

Like that unnamed Indian diplomat that said Ivanka was like a half wit Saudi prince.

Posted by: MAC SOG at August 14, 2017 04:02 PM (QPdNE)

339 Just because you hate Nazis does not mean you are a good person.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Are You Goth? The AoSHQ Guide to Gloom available at The Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2017 03:07 PM (hLRSq)

Were there even any actual Nazis there, aside from the usual crowd of doofuses (doofi?) waving shiny new Nazi flags provided by somebody?

Commie vs Nazi: turf war. They are both in contention for the plum job of suppressing the untermenschen.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2017 04:02 PM (+v28m)

340 Meanwhile, as the world burns, Nina Burleigh, who famously offered a bj to Billy Jeff for keeping abortion legal, is HORRIFIED by the Trump women's high heels:

http://tinyurl.com/y7kv9ghb

"Six months in, and the Trump women are still normalizing the footwear of the beauty pageant."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 14, 2017 04:02 PM (PY9jH)

341 Haven't read the comments, but Katie Couric's producers had urine thrown on them in C-ville

They didn't say who did it but we all know which side likes to use the peepee and poopoo in their mostly peaceful protests.

Posted by: stace--domestic security threat at August 14, 2017 04:03 PM (HaNEn)

342 The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:53 PM (/tuJf)


I just want you to imagine that this was not *all* KKK and neo-Nazi and 'alt-right' people who were waiting to be marshaled past antifa thugs.

While Law Enforcement smiled.

Because if that was the only crowd in attendance they would have numbered about 31 people.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 14, 2017 04:04 PM (EgwCt)

343 If anyone who is not anti-white is to be considered a Nazi, then I guess you could call it a Nazi gathering.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 14, 2017 04:00 PM (Px8Hq)


Everyone's a nazi! You get a nazi, and YOU get a nazi, and YOU get a nazi.....

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2017 04:04 PM (TOk1P)

344 297

Unite The Right went to the rally knowing that they would likely be assaulted by Antifa. That is not the same thing as seeking to engage in violence.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 14, 2017 04:05 PM (Px8Hq)

345 131
Sorry, not sorry. White racist scum are no better than any other racist group.

They aren't on my side.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:21 PM (/tuJf)



The trouble is, each and every one of us is "white racist scum" as far as BLM and Antifa are concerned.

Posted by: rickl at August 14, 2017 04:05 PM (xjiRE)

346 331 Meh, when Nazis and Commies kill each other, America wins.
Posted by: regular joe at August 14, 2017 04:01 PM (O50yS)
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Except when the media exploit and leverage it to exacerbate race wars...then Marxism wins.

Once Marxists can no longer use class warfare, they default to race/identity warfare.

Posted by: Gorilla gumdrop at August 14, 2017 04:05 PM (EXkrA)

347 You don't like it and find the behavior abhorrent? Walk away.

Once violence becomes an acceptable tactic for silencing those you disagree with, there is no limit to its use.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2017 04:06 PM (6eWxL)

348 Also, lets not forget that to Antifa, basically everyone that isn't them is a fascist and therefore fair game for having their heads smashed in. Tea Party, Trump supporters, doesn't matter.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2017 04:06 PM (0mRoj)

349 I guess we know why the mayor of C'ville was so quick to blame Trump...

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at August 14, 2017 04:06 PM (tX3BM)

350 Haven't read the comments, but Katie Couric's producers had urine thrown on them in C-ville
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at the risk of sounding uncharitable, I will observe that one could assert that is exactly what Katie Couric's producers have been throwing on the public's face for lo these many years . . .

Posted by: simplemind at August 14, 2017 04:06 PM (f1mff)

351
For the record.....

Antifa got their asses literally kicked in Berkley.

They werent making the same mistake twice.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2017 04:06 PM (8XRCm)

352 NOOD.

Posted by: johnd01 at August 14, 2017 04:07 PM (ukNFU)

353 The trouble is, each and every one of us is "white racist scum" as far as BLM and Antifa are concerned.
Posted by: rickl at August 14, 2017 04:05 PM (xjiRE)

Jack is using the same sort of reasoning that the "We aren't at war with Islam" people use. He forgets it only takes one side to start a war.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at August 14, 2017 04:07 PM (J70i0)

354 336 The Supreme Court of the United States of America ruled that Nazi and other POSs have the right to assemble and march.

What I think on Nazis or any other tripe has no bearing on the law. The law is the basis from which all else flows. If we do not honor the law in this case then we do not honor the law. Welcome, anarchy.
Posted by: gNewt at August 14, 2017 04:02 PM (yIPKR)


And that is for card carrying nazis, not just those others label as nazis, or literal false flag agitators carrying nazi flags.

Posted by: Obamao at August 14, 2017 04:07 PM (P/kVC)

355 Meanwhile, as the world burns, Nina Burleigh, who famously offered a bj to Billy Jeff for keeping abortion legal, is HORRIFIED by the Trump women's high heels:
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Well, Nina's comments were what, 20-some years ago? I imagine she'd have to take her teeth out now to make good on that promise.

Poor rotten hag is jealous of youth and beauty.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 14, 2017 04:08 PM (vg8iE)

356 That's what I thought! Thanks!

In fairness, it often gets used anymore to mean white trash, which is not quite in sync with its origins in regard to a specific '90s cultural phenomenon. Specifically, the young male in a crisis of identity who has become transblack in a manner like that depicted in Pretty Fly For A White Guy. Kind of the mirror image of a Dylan Roof type - introverted self-hatred instead of extroverted, going from "my race sucks" to "and yours is better so I'll try to adopt it" rather than "but yours is worse".

The less specific usage puts it more in sync with the original slur, and is less ironic.

There needs to be a better word for that, though. The inverse mild slurs being things like "Oreo", "Twinkie", "banana", etc.

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 14, 2017 04:08 PM (eXSOZ)

357 348 Also, lets not forget that to Antifa, basically everyone that isn't them is a fascist and therefore fair game for having their heads smashed in. Tea Party, Trump supporters, doesn't matter.

***

right?

and our party leaders are pretty quick to agree with them because, let's face it, the gop's pretty embarassed about its base and their polices.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 04:08 PM (DQdye)

358 The trouble is, each and every one of us is "white racist scum" as far as BLM and Antifa are concerned.
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which gets me back to what I said in another thread.

you keep accusing people of something that they did not do, over and over and over again, there is a change that the person will get fed up and become exactly what you say they are.

like teens and smoking.

/I hope I'm wrong about this, but "everyone who is not a prog is evil" could backfire bigly.

Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 04:08 PM (aT+Bx)

359 Judah Benjamin was Sephardic, so screw him. The only real Jews live in NYC and shop organic

Posted by: Gaycurious Stoolberg at August 14, 2017 04:08 PM (6FJW5)

360 354 336 The Supreme Court of the United States of America ruled that Nazi and other POSs have the right to assemble and march.

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yeah, we've seen the Blue Brothers.

The n@@@zis are allowed to march. They may even incite a few fights, what with the nazis being our enemies, many of us having parents or grampas who fought them.

The new thing is to basically try to end run around this by using state adjacent NGOs to beat up the n@@@zis. oh right, and also, members of the republican party. Same thing, natch.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 14, 2017 04:10 PM (DQdye)

361 Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 04:08 PM (aT+Bx)

When there is no appeasing someone, the appeasement stops.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at August 14, 2017 04:11 PM (J70i0)

362 >>
I'm a little tired of hearing how people support the First Amendment
and then they beat or support people beating others speaking words they
don't agree with.



Some pigs' speech rights are more equal than others.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 14, 2017 04:11 PM (NOIQH)

363 >>The trouble is, each and every one of us is "white racist scum" as far as BLM and Antifa are concerned.

I don't care what anyone from either of those groups thinks of me or anything else for that matter.

But I'm not going to assist them in labeling me for any purpose. If we don't disavow scum who want to claim membership in our group that is what we are doing. We always say the left is complicit with BLM and antifa and the like because they never disavow them. How would we be different if we don't do it the fringe elements who want to represent us?

As I said when I brought this topic up on Saturday, I wish that a sinkhole could have opened up and swallowed all the assholes on both sides on Saturday.

And no, that does not include people who thought they were just there to protest the removal of a statue.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 04:11 PM (/tuJf)

364 Posted by: MAC SOG
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I have to ask, and I'll only ask this once, is that MACV?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2017 04:14 PM (OdK9v)

365 this whole mess reeks of a false-flag set up

i know GWP isn't universally loved here, but it gets better when they quote the SPLC...

the whack j*b who organized the event?

yeah, he was an Obola supporter and OWS guy right up until last November.

thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/report-white-supremacist-
unite-right-leader-jason-kessler-obama-occupy-supporter/

this stinks on ice.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 14, 2017 04:14 PM (h5m8W)

366 ALL RIGHT!!!

We have our very own Horst Wessel in Heather Heyer!

Now we just need to write the words and music for the Heather Heyer Lied!

Posted by: ANTIFA - Charlottesville Mission Accomplished!!! at August 14, 2017 04:14 PM (aRXNK)

367 Meh, when Nazis and Commies kill each other, America wins.



Posted by: regular joe at August 14, 2017 04:01 PM (O50yS)
*
My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 14, 2017 04:15 PM (WLK0w)

368 why is nobody talking about the numerous sightings of AntiFa being bused in and seen with Bramd new Nazi and White Supremists flags and clothing in trash bags and later seen wearing this shit?

We know this is a tactic as well.

Sure there were morons there who took the Controlled Oppo Dicky Spencer bait, but let's be honest..... Both sides of this event were funded by Soros and company.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 14, 2017 03:20 PM (XFue2)

You know, if some of those idling buses that brought in the Pantyfa rioters were to catch fire and burn to the ground, it'd be a damned shame, wouldn't it? Insurance usually won't pay losses in cases of rioting, too. Might cause bus companies to be less eager to rent to the Soros mob.

One thing is clear: we on the rational Right need to have boots on the ground, discreetly monitoring events, recording audio, taking photos, taking video, in the manner that zombie does so well. Not participating in the violence, but documenting as much as possible.

Because we cannot rely upon the MSM to do that honestly.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2017 04:16 PM (+v28m)

369 Addressing some earlier posts, the police did indeed push the nazis/white nationalists/whatever down a narrow set of steps directly into a mob of violent antifa. I saw the video myself this morning.

Can't find the link now, but it was timestamped and I saw it myself how it went down. Not speculation in the slightest. At one point, I saw one protestor being pushed down that little path of stairs straight into a crowd of antifa, by himself, and heard antifa types yelling stuff like "where you gonna go now, bitch!" Guy was trapped between a police line and antifa with nowhere to go. And he was alone at that point. Not sure what happened to him as the camera operator ran off to film something else at that point.

I know this is hearsay since I'm only reporting what I saw without a link, but the video is out there and I'm sure someone with more time on their hands can find the video and timestamp.

Not one myself to defend nazis and other idiots of that sort, but the facts are the facts. Even if you can dismiss the two-time Obama voter who organized this rally, the city's response appears to have been designed to cause violence, which would then be blamed entirely on the nazis, which would then be blamed entirely on every human in this country to the right of Nicolas Maduro.

Posted by: ElKomandante at August 14, 2017 04:17 PM (K3zou)

370 In fairness, it often gets used anymore to mean white trash...
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Yikes, I mean I'm white trash.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, out and proud white trash at August 14, 2017 04:17 PM (OdK9v)

371 What? The right hated being clubbed? Then they deserve it for all the hate.

Posted by: Abby Normal at August 14, 2017 04:18 PM (cQO95)

372 Going Galt. It's the only way.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 14, 2017 03:47 PM (XFue2)

You rang?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 14, 2017 04:18 PM (8iiMU)

373 Did the Charlottesville Mayor Order Police to Stand Down, to Allow His Allies in #Antifa to Rough Up the Nazis?

A: No. He did it to #GetTrump!(tm). The orders came straight from headquarters in the spare bedroom.

btw, who is this #Antifa of whom you speak? There are no references to them anywhere in the news. Nobody mentions their name--not, Sessions, not even Trump.

Must be a figment of your 'magination.

Posted by: Some Recently Unemployed Guy Who Lives in D.C. With Lots of Extra Time On His Hands at August 14, 2017 04:19 PM (Ndje9)

374 "the city's response appears to have been designed to cause violence, which would then be blamed entirely on the nazis, which would then be blamed entirely on every human in this country to the right of Nicolas Maduro."

It was known that the Nazis were carrying. Intent was to have them shoot in self-defense.

We dodged that bullet.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 14, 2017 04:21 PM (+7/1f)

375 #LeftWingPrivilege aka a license to commit violence.

Posted by: Locke Common at August 14, 2017 04:21 PM (olTpu)

376 I'm tired of #LeftWingPrivilege for violence.

Apparently, so are the white nationalist. I have no use for white racists but it will be interesting to see how the left reacts to finally getting some return fire.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 03:12 PM (/tuJf)


I am getting real tired of the MFM and politicians using the phrase "white nationalist" as an pejorative term. They are intentionally ascribing motives of racial bigotry to white people that want the U.S. government to act in the best interests of its citizens.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 14, 2017 04:22 PM (5Yee7)

377 271
What's a "whigger"?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (ZjR82)

Damn...havent heard that term in 25 years

Posted by: A dude in MI at August 14, 2017 04:22 PM (CDETr)

378 358 you keep accusing people of something that they did not do, over and over and over again, there is a change that the person will get fed up and become exactly what you say they are.

Posted by: shibumi at August 14, 2017 04:08 PM (aT+Bx)

I wouldn't go that far -- it's not that they become what you say they are; it's that they stop caring about distancing themselves from who you say they are.

For instance, as a somewhat self-described Cosmopolitan who has good friends around the world of multiple different races and religions, I'm really not a fan of any kind of racial supremacy.

But whereas maybe a decade ago I'd be eager to denounce stuff like the C'ville march, now I'm like it's really not worth it, since I can guarantee that any sort of speaking up is going to just paint a target on my back for assholes to try to pigeonhole me by progressive goalpost-moving, esp. when they're being super-racist by holding different standards for different races (cf. Trayvon riots/doxxing, omitting 9/11 and Pulse murders, selective backlash apprehension, etc.)

I mean, if someone's not going to take me for my word that I'm not a racist asshole, then why should I trust that their inquisitions are so pure and holy?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 04:22 PM (q6jjE)

379 There needs to be a better word for that...

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Not really. We don't need to be telling people "no you can't act that way because you have the wrong amount of melanin". Poser is fine for anyone who pretends to have some experience they don't. Trashy should be sufficient to describe any individual who acts in a manner that brings to mind a blazing dumpster. And, "asshole" is just dandy for describing people who insist in trying to keep others in race-based boxes by way of using slurs like those you listed, and the one that inspired this exchange.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Everyone at August 14, 2017 04:22 PM (nhWB9)

380 It bears repeating, AntiFA really means Anti-First Amendment.

Posted by: Reis Gorthanes at August 14, 2017 04:24 PM (ho2wd)

381
What's a "whigger"?

Chinese Muslim

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2017 04:24 PM (IqV8l)

382 When ANTIFA shows up in cities/states controlled by Democrats they are free to act, but when they show up in cities/states controlled by Republicans you get peaceful demonstrations. Pikeville KY, at Auburn in Alabama are two examples just off the top of my head.

Posted by: DFCtomm at August 14, 2017 04:32 PM (50gG9)

383 (cont. from 37

Also, I've stopped caring about distancing myself from these people because of the following calculation:

1) The secular Left has several of orders of magnitude more power in this country than the white supremacists.

2) Regardless of what I say, the secular Left will eventually treat me as an enemy and come after me and what I care about. Previous alliances will avail me nothing if I don't stick to the new progressive line (cf. boiling the frog)

3) The Left knows this, and so it attempts to create chaotic momentum by targeting groups that "everyone hates", like Nazis and justifying the deprivation of rights etc. on this basis.

4) Since they will eventually get around to labeling me as a Nazi (or 1%-er or misogynist or racist or whatever), the best way I can counter this is to ensure that the Left doesn't build that kind of momentum.

5) That means supporting the rights of these unsavory groups, which in this crazy Leftist media echo-chamber basically amounts to not giving my voice to the Left to help twist into their own momentum.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 04:36 PM (q6jjE)

384 I wouldn't go that far -- it's not that they become
what you say they are; it's that they stop caring about distancing
themselves from who you say they are.




Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 04:22 PM (q6jjE)

It depends. The GOP has been dancing around black crime and violence for decades. Combine that knowledge with constant false claims of racism and some people just decide to quit caring and say that blacks are violent and prone to crime because they're black. If that person is going to be accused of bad think, then he might as well go ahead and engage in the bad think that's right there staring him in the face.


Posted by: DFCtomm at August 14, 2017 04:37 PM (50gG9)

385 Just my take. As distasteful as the white supremacists are, they're the ones went through the motions of abiding by the law. The antifa didn't. They are the ones getting into everyone's faces, not the ones permitted to march.

The supremacist's have just as much right to the 1st Amendment as anyone else. I don't like their message but there it is.

Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2017 04:38 PM (Fmupd)

386 Why is no one mentioning that only a few months ago North Carolina passed a specific law immunizing motorists from liability for striking pedestrian protesters who are blocking their way.

Once again, I don't know all the facts about Charlotte, but it seems relevant that there was specific, very public discussion and law changes in North Carolina due to past Charlotte protests. This is in addition to whatever grounds for self defense may exist at common law, depending on reasonableness of threat perception, imminence, etc.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at August 14, 2017 04:39 PM (QtQaN)

387 Once again, I don't know all the facts about Charlotte, but it seems relevant that there was specific, very public discussion and law changes in North Carolina due to past Charlotte protests. This is in addition to whatever grounds for self defense may exist at common law, depending on reasonableness of threat perception, imminence, etc.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at August 14, 2017 04:39 PM (QtQaN)

Charlottesville is in Virgina, not N.C.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2017 04:41 PM (+v28m)

388 But I'm not going to assist them in labeling me for any purpose. If we don't disavow scum who want to claim membership in our group that is what we are doing. We always say the left is complicit with BLM and antifa and the like because they never disavow them. How would we be different if we don't do it the fringe elements who want to represent us?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 04:11 PM (/tuJf)

This is a very fair point, imho.

But my concern is that the standards are so lopsided that it amounts to giving your enemy the sword to plunge into you.

There's all the difference in the world to the fact that many on the non-fringe Left ARE in sympathy with their fringe in a way that the non-fringe Right is not with its own.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 04:43 PM (q6jjE)

389 388
But I'm not going to assist them in labeling me for any purpose. If we
don't disavow scum who want to claim membership in our group that is
what we are doing. We always say the left is complicit with BLM and
antifa and the like because they never disavow them. How would we be
different if we don't do it the fringe elements who want to represent
us?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2017 04:11 PM (/tuJf)



This is a very fair point, imho.



But my concern is that the standards are so lopsided that it amounts to giving your enemy the sword to plunge into you.



There's all the difference in the world to the fact that many on the
non-fringe Left ARE in sympathy with their fringe in a way that the
non-fringe Right is not with its own.



Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 04:43 PM (q6jjE)


Richard Spenser is out there getting arrested, getting pepper sprayed and getting beaten up. What's Jonah Goldberg doing? If there are foxholes in the future I want Spenser on my side, and to hell with Jonah Goldberg. There are foxholes in the future.

Posted by: DFCtomm at August 14, 2017 04:46 PM (50gG9)

390 269 What's a "whigger"?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 03:48 PM (ZjR82)

--
They made a movie about it, called Malibu's Most Wanted.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at August 14, 2017 04:47 PM (i6shs)

391 Got it, thank you (extra "ville").

But it is interesting that some states have specifically immunized motorists due to what has been a real issue of threats to motorists from protesters blocking roads.

And, as noted, the law of self defense (while varying from state to state) always makes some allowance for a reasonable perception of serious harm or death.

The overall point is that a car being trapped by protestors who may in fact be violent to the car's passengers is a real "thing" and a real problem, that is now being treated like an unthinkable thing due to a sympathetic victim and an unsympathetic driver.

And again: I wasn't there, but all these things seem much more plausible and dependent on getting more facts than 99.999% of media accounts seem to suggest.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at August 14, 2017 04:47 PM (QtQaN)

392 >>>But it is interesting that some states have specifically immunized motorists due to what has been a real issue of threats to motorists from protesters blocking roads

It's still limited, it's not a license to run people over. You still have to exercise "due care" and not have "wanton disregard". It's only protection against unintentional strikes, not flooring it into a crowd.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 14, 2017 04:51 PM (ZjR82)

393 (cont 38

As a major point of evidence I cite Liberal/Progressive opinions on the Trayvon Martin case, where even saying "look, it's a very regrettable situation, but there's so much we don't know about what actually happened that I don't feel comfortable having a strong opinion on either side," is enough to get you called a crazy racist. The mainstream Left supports/agrees with the BLM position in a way that I don't think parallels any relationship between the mainstream Right and its fringe militants.

...though that may be changing due to the constant drumbeat of tribal politics (cf. #384)



Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 04:52 PM (q6jjE)

394 ElKomandante, ace has a new post JUST FOR YOU!!

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at August 14, 2017 04:55 PM (6FJW5)

395 The overall point is that a car being trapped by protestors who may in fact be violent to the car's passengers is a real "thing" and a real problem, that is now being treated like an unthinkable thing due to a sympathetic victim and an unsympathetic driver.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at August 14, 2017 04:47 PM (QtQaN)


What has really amazed me about this fiasco was how quickly the MFM tracked down one of this guy's former High School teachers to proclaim that he was a Nazi and a fan of Adolf Hitler. This dipshit runs down some opposing protestors and it's "Domestic Terrorism(tm)" but some Berniebro shoots a ball field full of Republicans and it's just a little unpleasantness of no significance.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 14, 2017 05:01 PM (5Yee7)

396 Richard Spenser is out there getting arrested, getting pepper sprayed and getting beaten up. What's Jonah Goldberg doing? If there are foxholes in the future I want Spenser on my side, and to hell with Jonah Goldberg. There are foxholes in the future.
Posted by: DFCtomm at August 14, 2017 04:46 PM (50gG9)

Yeah, but I don't think Richard Spencer and I are on the same side because there are too many differences in fundamental values, such that I'm concerned that if Spencer got into power he'd be just as likely to persecute me and people I care about as the Left is. Cf. asking the alligator to eat you last.

If anything, my "side" is in favor of toleration under the rule of law, which is precisely what the government failed to implement in C'ville. Overall, I think Spencer and his people were originally in the right with respect to what I care about, but that opinion doesn't mean that I support/agree with them any more than my toleration of an Antifa rally with valid permit would mean agreement with them.









Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 05:04 PM (q6jjE)

397 395: What has really amazed me about this fiasco was how quickly the MFM tracked down one of this guy's former High School teachers to proclaim that he was a Nazi and a fan of Adolf Hitler. This dipshit runs down some opposing protestors and it's "Domestic Terrorism(tm)" but some Berniebro shoots a ball field full of Republicans and it's just a little unpleasantness of no significance.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 14, 2017 05:01 PM (5Yee7)

^^THIS...is why I lean towards the futility of denouncing. I'd rather stay quiet and by my silence and lack of participation attempt to delegitimize the "denunciation" discourse as biased and unrepresentative.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 05:06 PM (q6jjE)

398 If anything, my "side" is in favor of toleration
under the rule of law........




Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 05:04 PM (q6jjE)


How long to you believe that will be a viable option in this cattle chute? It's my opinion that we've already missed the boat.

Posted by: DFCtomm at August 14, 2017 05:09 PM (50gG9)

399 McKelway makes a point to add "State Police" in the report.

Posted by: golfman at August 14, 2017 05:13 PM (GFtC6)

400 398
How long to you believe that will be a viable option in this cattle chute? It's my opinion that we've already missed the boat.
Posted by: DFCtomm at August 14, 2017 05:09 PM (50gG9)

I see what you mean, and I fear you are correct.

But the lack of viability of my preferred option doesn't mean that I have to agree with/affirm all the principles of the people I may have to tolerate or conditionally ally with.

But I think it's best to be honest about the strongly conditional basis and limited extent of that toleration/alliance.

A main part of this is my belief that the reason we're in such a cultural clusterfark is that the powers that be have been consistently deceptive about their true values.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 14, 2017 05:18 PM (q6jjE)

401 Antifa? Kkk? What's the difference?
Let them beat each other's brains out.

The REAL crime here was how the Virginia government trounced the 1st amendment and fed one side to the other just to spite the constitution.

Some of those people probably weren't in the klan.

Whoever was in charge of that clown show is not fit.

This republic is becoming unstable, and that is purely the fault of the establishment.

Posted by: The Great Kazoo at August 14, 2017 09:05 PM (XXfzS)

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