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Do We Need More Tolerance, Or Do We Just Need Less Narcissism?

Jim Geraghty has an interesting piece about intolerance of a certain type -- the "Why can't you be more like me?!" type of intolerance we see from the narcissistic-without-any-good-reason-for-being-so left.

He begins by noting the left's habit of taking anything they don't personally do or enjoy and creating a self-congratulating, preening Cult Dogma about their own choice or preference. Childless people, for example, hectoring those who have kids (especially if they have more than the replacement-rate of 2).

Lunatic Zealot Amanda Marcotte recently exhibited this sort of religion-without-god judginess. Generally you'd hear this crazed cultist screaming that all women's choices must be respected.

Well, not all choices, and not all women.


Anyway, see Geraghty's piece for the beginnings of the instant argument over tolerance and non-tolerance, with special reference to Jill Filopovic's recent claim that if you want to save the world, you should not have children. Saving the earth apparently requires the voluntary self-extinguishment of the human race.

But then he makes the point that seems novel to me: A lot of this intolerance is of a special narcissistic Aren't My Poops Lovely and Well-Formed? variety. (Actually, he's noting Josh Barro making this point, but whatever, I'm crediting Geraghty.)

One reason this type of “your seemingly mundane, apolitical choice is terrible and must be denounced” article is increasingly common is because it is cheap and easy.

You don’t need much specialized knowledge, a lot of research, travel, or anything like that to write a piece like that. Just take something that a lot of people do – particularly people who aren’t like you – and denounce it in logically-shaky-at-best, furious, hyperbolic terms.

...

"I'm a childless adult, telling all of you people out there to stop having children." "I'm a vegan, telling you that you have to stop eating meat." "I'm an urbanite who doesn't own a car, telling you that your automobile is destroying the planet and gas taxes should be higher to support the costs of mass transit."

The not-so-subtle subtext is, "why aren’t you more like me?"

And the simple answer from most people is… "because I don’t want to be more like you."

...

Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised that progressives are exhibiting all of the traits that they accused the Christian conservatives of embodying: smug judgmental attitudes, harsh denunciation of those who make different choices, lack of respect for others who see things differently, and refusal to recognize individual autonomy, an eagerness to enforce a stifling code of behavior, and a conditional-at-best view toward liberty.

He then makes a point I've been making for years:

I used to think that the most important value for living in a Constitutional Republic like ours was a bit of faith in people to eventually make the right choices for themselves. But I’m starting to wonder if an even more important value is an acceptance of people making what we perceive to be the wrong choices for themselves.

Yes. No matter how hard it is for a parent to do, at some point he must permit his child to make his or her own decisions. Only when he is granted some degree of responsibility over his own life will he begin to exercise, well, responsibility.

The various people who are constantly trying to mind other adults as if they were their children in need of instruction and supervision are not, I think, increasing responsibility, but are often reducing it.

What do teenagers do when they chafe under what they perceive as a too-heavy hand in parental control?

They rebel. They do all the wrong things, either subconsciously or full-on consciously.

At some point you have to just allow people to make their own decisions. Like teenagers, they will often make bad decisions. Or, rather: They make decisions you disapprove of, decisions which may be objectively bad by any reckoning, or which might actually be decent decisions given their own circumstances, preferences, and aspirations. Or, even -- they might be good decisions, and you cannot see they are good decisions, because you yourself are married to your own bad decisions.

But anyway it shakes out, the only way people make good decisions is by first having the capacity to have a (mostly) free choice of actions in the first place.

Enforced morality is not actually morality; it is no more than an amoral rational scheme to avoid punishment.

True morality only arises from a free choice: You could have chosen good, or evil, but you chose good. You could have chosen benevolence or selfishness; you chose benevolence. You could have chosen self-improvement or self-destruction; you chose self-improvement.

A man who does not steal when a cop is standing at the corner is not necessarily a good man. All we can say is that he is a rationally self-interested man who does not wish to be arrested.

A man who does not steal when there is little or no chance of detection -- now that is a man who is guided by the only true morality, which is inner morality, not jail-avoidance-mistaken-for-morality imposed from the outside.

(To those who object that God is an external imposition of moral control: Well, I'm not really fluent in these matters, but my understanding is, at least with respect to Christianity, that accepting Jesus' gift awakens within the receiver an internal desire to do good. This desire may well be animated by an outside force, but the awakening is within, not (primarily) imposed from without. After all, the idea of Christianity is that once Christ's salvation is accepted, you're in the Book of Life: ergo, you no longer have to fear the punishment of damnation. And ergo, any moral choices you make going forward are due to an inner awakening to repay the gift with good deeds, not due to fear of retribution from without for failing to do so.)

I think this scold-the-world-into-behaving-better is wrongheaded and counterproductive.

1, I think it is "cheap and easy," as Geraghty noted about these clickbait "You're a Sinner if you eat bacon" type articles. The judgey/scoldey "Look how moral I am for casting insults at you" mode of "moralizing" is ridiculed, and for good reason. People understand how terribly, terribly easy it is to be "moral" in this mode. And that's largely because of...

2, these sorts of moral condemnations are rarely offered for the good of the "sinner." They are offered because they make the one accusing another of sin feel good and righteous, for no very good reason. (That is, one can and should feel good about doing a good turn -- showing mercy, compassion, strength; one shouldn't feel good about something that is essentially giving yourself a Participation Award in the Public Display of Morality Olympics.)

People understand that when most people go into their righteous fury mode, it's not for the benefit of the sinner, nor for the benefit of the world, nor for the benefit of God or the strange alien gods of Social Justice War: It's done for the personal egotistical benefit of the one crying "Sinner!"

3, this tendency is counterproductive because it makes moral behavior seem like a draggy chore hectored upon you by others, when it really ought to be something that makes you feel (rightly) damn good when you choose it yourself. The judgy/scoldy culture does not increase moral behavior, it retards it.

Anyone who's ever responded to someone lecturing them (without authority to do so) -- even if that lecture was about something you actually agree with is generally a sound moral lodestar to follow -- by saying "fuck you" understands how this works.

Someone who claims authority over you must be shown to have no authority over you -- and that will probably involve an immediate rebellion and even a temporary reversion to objectively bad behavior just to establish one's own autonomy and equality.

But I don't expect the left to understand this or to care even if they did to understand, because like most cultists who are in a religion not for the actual religion or learning or quickening of the spirit, but just for the unearned sense of superiority and a list of new insults to cast upon others, they really do not give a shit whether anyone leads a good life.

They're in this for the narcissism. They're in this for the preening. They are in this to fill the emptiness of their souls with something warm and fulfilling and offering them an easy feeling of superiority -- in short, they're in it precisely for the hatred, so telling them "you'd be better at spreading your Religion-Without-God without all the hatred" is a pointless endeavor.

It's the only reason they're the anti-church in the first place.


BTW: It has long occurred to me that the best way to encourage moral behavior is to praise moral behavior, not to scold immoral behavior.

Praising moral behavior makes people feel less defensive. Oh, it might make them feel a bit defensive. It's hard to think about the courage of the soldiers on the Thalys train without thinking a little bit less of oneself.

But there's only a dollop of defensiveness -- there's a lot more desire for emulation. Okay, so I'm not like those guys -- which I can freely admit so long as someone's not in my face insulting me for not being like them.

And as I can freely admit (without fear of consequence) I don't have the natural instincts for courage those guys do, and can freely admit further I'd like to have that kind of physical (and moral!) courage, then they can serve as a spark to light something inside me.

But you know, it's a lot easier to be against something than for something. Our whole politics is built upon this fact -- we are coalitions against something, not for something, really, because it's much, much easier to argue against something than for something. And because it's a lot easier to kindle someone's against-somethingness than their for-somethingness.

And it's socially less risky. The difference between a child and a teenager is this: children are optimistic and like things and even love things and aren't shy at all about saying so.

Teenagers learn that saying you like (let alone love) anything will quickly get you called a nerd or faggit and so teenagers quickly decide they hate everything, or that everything is beneath them. Teenagers learn to affect the demeanor of a world-weary fifty year old at age 13.

This persists into adulthood -- especially in the sort of arrested development adulthood prevalent in America -- so that it is always a safer default position to find fault with anything -- anything! -- then to say something effusively positive about it.

Posted by: Ace at 12:46 PM




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1 I like your slant on things.

Posted by: Lord Chancellor johnd01, Cheif Covfefe at July 14, 2017 12:47 PM (ukNFU)

2 Oh, and 1st.

Posted by: Lord Chancellor johnd01, Cheif Covfefe at July 14, 2017 12:47 PM (ukNFU)

3 I'll fetch The Others.

Posted by: Lord Chancellor johnd01, Cheif Covfefe at July 14, 2017 12:48 PM (ukNFU)

4 Ace starting out strong this morn.... afternoon.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2017 12:49 PM (KUaJL)

5 Malignant Narcissism is a personality disorder that cannot be cured.

At best, it can be managed somewhat by meds and therapy.

/long on pharma drugs...

Posted by: shibumi at July 14, 2017 12:49 PM (aT+Bx)

6 My philosophy is to tolerate the tolerable.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 12:50 PM (LTHVh)

7 I've heard that liberal use of italics is something narcissists hate.

Posted by: MacGruber at July 14, 2017 12:50 PM (S+el1)

8 Malignant Narcissism is a personality disorder that cannot be cured.

At best, it can be managed somewhat by meds and therapy.



and ass beatings.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 12:50 PM (LTHVh)

9 >> these sorts of moral condemnations are rarely offered for the good of the "sinner." They are offered because they make the one accusing another of sin feel good and righteous


THIS.


It *is* narcissism - it's the assumption that the world would fall apart without this person's uninformed "wisdom."

Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 12:51 PM (NOIQH)

10 Misanthropes camouflage how they feel.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 14, 2017 12:51 PM (rnAwa)

11 Anyone who's ever responded to someone lecturing them (without authority to do so) -- even if that lecture was about something you actually agree with is generally a sound moral lodestar to follow -- by saying "fuck you" understands how this works.



Yep. FYNQ. And if you really piss me off, I'll go to the extreme of what you hate.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 12:52 PM (YxyYj)

12 They make the personal political. Weird.

Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2017 12:52 PM (tewYv)

13 I'm the oldest of 11. I'd like to kick Amanda Marcotte in the snatch, but I wouldn't want to wreck my shine.

Posted by: tu3031 at July 14, 2017 12:52 PM (qJhUV)

14 I blame the overwhelming surge in narcissism on helicopter parenting and the ubiquitous use of computers.

You can easily compare the life described in the previous thread and the life of a kid today and see why narcissism is on the rise.

And it will probably get a lot worse before it gets better.

As more and more interactions take place online instead of in person, narcissism will only increase.

Posted by: MacGruber at July 14, 2017 12:52 PM (S+el1)

15 One of the most basic, founding principles of America was not liberty or justice or God, it was simply 'leave me the hell alone.'

We can't have the same level of that we did back when the population was so scanty and the land so empty. But we can sure have a lot more than we do now.

The founding fathers warned more than anything else that government is a raging fire that will consume everything nearby it and keep spreading unless zealously tended and restrained.

We know what they meant by that today, and are paying the price for our failure to tend the fire. Instead, we fed it more and more and backed away from it as it spread 'for the good of the children'

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 12:53 PM (39g3+)

16 Amanda Marcotte: .975 Kohns, plus 50 points of crazy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 12:53 PM (oVJmc)

17 I know this well - Hippy Dippy Coworker sits near my office in silent judgement...well, not so silent, actually.

Yes, without batting an eye she will say that conservatives are anti-freedom and should be outlawed. That we need to force people to drink a particular kind of water in our office because of some vague environmental phrase in their advertising. And yeah, it goes beyond the little stuff...that insurance isn't right, that car is too fancy, what you SMOKE?!?....all of it.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 14, 2017 12:54 PM (PFy0L)

18 Failure contains important lessons. Not allowing your kids to fail is one of the worst things you can do. Trying to create a society where failure never happens is just as bad.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 14, 2017 12:54 PM (EAIbg)

19 What's missed, and it's right in front of geghaty'ds face is this:

The left is living their lives reacting to the stereotypes that they've been fed on TV.

So, ewww, christians...they're all like Southern and judgey and probably in the Klan, even if they're from Michigan or Oregon.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 12:54 PM (AU4SY)

20 >>They are in this to fill the emptiness of their souls with something
warm and fulfilling and offering them an easy feeling of superiority --
in short, they're in it precisely for the hatred, so telling them "you'd be better at spreading your Religion-Without-God without all the hatred" is a pointless endeavor.





And what really pisses them off is when people are on to their game.

See: Gamergate, 4chan, and the rebellious alt-right currently doing things like interrupting Chakespeare in the park or attacking Antifa in Berkley.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 12:54 PM (NOIQH)

21 Amanda wants validation for her choices and feels she must impose such on everyone else.

Eh. Me, going to go and write. Or I'll keep looking at these photos
https://www.flickr.com/photos/
photosnormandie/1340549493/in/photostream/

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 14, 2017 12:54 PM (+BG/J)

22 MOMMY! DOES THIS MEAN YOU HATE US!!!

Posted by: Amanda Marcotte's Cats at July 14, 2017 12:55 PM (qJhUV)

23 I've said this over and over and probably people are sick of it by now but this is the inevitable result of abandoning absolutes.

If there is no absolute good, no absolute truth, and no absolute beauty, no standard outside ourselves that is unchanging and which we can reference to know reality... all that's left is your subjective interpretation, your "narrative" and what you decide. How on earth is that going to lead to anything but an intensely self-focused, narcissistic, selfish attitude about life? What else could it possibly give us? There is no other course this river could have taken.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 12:55 PM (39g3+)

24 Only applies to white people who have engaged in actual family planning and have adjusted their budgets to manage the large family. Does not apply to welfare recipients or any urban centers full of listless, jobless, high school diploma-less leeches.

Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 12:55 PM (psH+N)

25 This judgyness too can be found in all of us. I now IF. I don't eat snacks or whatever. But I see TV commercials where fukers are eating a ton of ice cream during the day, just because.

That's wrong to me but I'm healthy in the brain. I understand people want to have the option of going to eat shit all day long.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 12:55 PM (AU4SY)

26 The toughest thing to accept in life is there are some RIGHT and WRONG choices, but a whole lot more JUST CHOICES. Mind your own beeswax, live and let live, fuck it, and go bowling.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 12:56 PM (fMidn)

27 We need to nip this in the bud AND as soon as I get off my fat lazy ass I'll start laying down the rules at the grade school level.

Posted by: Betsy DeVos at July 14, 2017 12:56 PM (mcI77)

28 Evangelical Liberals, like Evangelical Atheists, are among the biggest assholes in the world today.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at July 14, 2017 12:56 PM (si/6G)

29 Good post, Ace.

Posted by: Piercello, on the road at July 14, 2017 12:56 PM (WbaUv)

30 It's funny that these avatars of narcissism and tolerance have no actual interest in being tolerant toward people who think and live differently than they do.

I might actually want to explore why some couples have large families rather than sneering at them. Or for that matter learn a little more about childless couples.

The left and the media are forever attacking conservatives for beliefs they don't actually hold. I find that a stunning lack of curiosity.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at July 14, 2017 12:57 PM (hJrjt)

31 Ace,

an even more important value is an acceptance of people making what we perceive to be the wrong choices for themselves.

That is classic libertarianism, and unfortunately for our political discourse it has all but disappeared from the discussion.

I think that decriminalization/legalization of drugs is an excellent example of this.

Sure... shoot heroin all you want, just don't make me pay for emergency services and hospitalization and disability and rehab.

Bu that part of it has been scrubbed from the discussion.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 12:57 PM (wYseH)

32 My favorite part about "this save the Earth" stuff, is that these #SCIENCE lovers are apparently unaware of the fact the Earth is doomed. The Sun will run out of fuel and swell many times over and the Earth will be done for.

Posted by: MJP at July 14, 2017 12:57 PM (tRsql)

33 WaPo:
Polar bears hurt by climate change are more likely to turn to a new food source -- McDonalds

... actually they say ... humans


Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at July 14, 2017 12:58 PM (e8kgV)

34 20. Yep. There are people at long last not only refusing to be scolded by these pernicious idiots, but fighting back, hard.

And how do you know who's right here? Look to see which side is having the most fun and requires the fewest, simplest words to explain what they're doing and why.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 14, 2017 12:58 PM (TwwWO)

35 So. Many. Words!

Posted by: cornbred at July 14, 2017 12:58 PM (gycrP)

36 My own stools, sir, are gigantic. And with no more odor than a hot biscuit.

Posted by: Ponsonby Britt at July 14, 2017 12:58 PM (2RIco)

37 If you look closely, you'll notice that the left doesn't talk about tolerance any more. They kind of abandoned it from the lexicon around 2012. They no longer call for tolerance, they call for obedience.

Tolerance is the language of those out of power, calling for those in power to stop being such jerks about everything. When you get in power suddenly tolerance becomes indulgence in wrong. You decide your way is absolutely right and other ways must thereby be wrong and ought not be tolerated, for moral reasons. One does not tolerate sin, my dear.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 12:59 PM (39g3+)

38 these avatars of narcissism and tolerance have no actual interest in being toleran

***

It's like I always say, the left doesn't believe in its own sanctimony as much as the right believes them in their sanctimony.

"oh you're right, Mr. Lefty, we need to be open minded. I am shamed in not complying with your vision"

and then, the next week, when it's politically convenient, Mr. Lefty adopts a new platitude to sandbag the trusting conservative. Like how, uh, Russia went from misspelled Reset Button to Worse than Hitler.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 12:59 PM (AU4SY)

39 It *is* narcissism - it's the assumption that the world would fall apart without this person's uninformed "wisdom."
Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 12:51 PM (NOIQH)


The Left don't exactly have the market cornered on this shit.

And I really mean this - you're at the crux of the smaller govt vs bigger govt debate. States Rights vs Centralized Control.

A person has to decide if they have enough self-discipline to leave somebody else alone ... in return for being left alone themselves.

The answer I've seen ... from a majority of Democrats AND Republicans ... is a resounding Hell No.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 14, 2017 01:00 PM (R/01c)

40 This is very fine, Ace. The quickening of the spirit: what a wonderful phrase.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at July 14, 2017 01:00 PM (Kr0FZ)

41 And almost as if on cue, I just got my HOA newsletter in my email.

This is the group that decided that each house deciding on their own trash companies was intolerable, so they forced through incorporation of the neighborhood into a trash collection district of the county, and now we have greatly inferior county trash collection that we are now required to pay for in perpetuity even if we do not use it.

Anyway, the next crusade is to make sure anyone who has pets are properly protecting them from heatstroke, complete with a list of things we "should" be doing. By "should" I mean "will one day show up in the bylaws of the HOA when we get a free minute."

Fuckers. This kind of malignant narcissistic nannyism is everywhere.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 14, 2017 01:00 PM (PFy0L)

42 Polar bears hurt by climate change are more likely to turn to a new food source -- McDonalds

Yeah they're so hurt by climate change that their populations are larger than at any time in recorded history and growing. They're attacking people because they're ranging further and further looking for food as the competition grows.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 01:00 PM (39g3+)

43 The whole point of modern leftwing politics is to get to dominate others.

This isn't a bug, this isn't even a feature, this is what leftwing policies is for.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2017 01:00 PM (eSx+E)

44 Did you know cars are required to be "safe" for unbuckled idiots? Iirc the new Corvette has purposely restricted passenger legroom in order to force the legs into a certain position so the occupant can more likely survive an unbelted crash. Think of how stupid that is.

Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 01:00 PM (psH+N)

45 If you want to see crazy, drop by Amanda Marcotte's twitter.

Like to check in on occasion to see the latest radfem hottake, and it never disappoints.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 01:00 PM (NOIQH)

46 In short, the left (and a sizeable percentage of the right) doesn't want people to MAKE decisions. They don't want people to have choices. They want people to follow prescribed paths of thought and action, with any deviance being tightly constrained and easily subsumed back into the collective.


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 14, 2017 01:02 PM (4df7R)

47 Ah, the good old days when liberals were only mildly psychotic! I remember how they'd run around dropping steaming piles of wisdom like "You Christians can't go around forcing your morality on others! That's Just Wrong!!eleventy!!!"

Posted by: cornbred at July 14, 2017 01:02 PM (gycrP)

48 >>It has long occurred to me that the best way to encourage moral behavior is to praise moral behavior, not to scold immoral behavior.

If you ever try to train a dog you will learn this lesson day 1. It works.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 01:02 PM (/tuJf)

49 Every home owners association is a tyranny run by the least likable people in the neighborhood. They are leftist governments writ small: what Hillary's administration would be like. Legislating everything you do down to the smallest act. Its why the left is so sympathetic toward Islam, that's how they see life too. Obey, submit, we'll give you a rule for everything. Leave this life and you will pay. Question this life and you will pay. Its for your own good.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 01:02 PM (39g3+)

50 If you want to see crazy, drop by Amanda Marcotte's twitter.

Like to check in on occasion to see the latest radfem hottake, and it never disappoints.


Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 01:00 PM (NOIQH)



Between Marcotte and Valenti, the radfem hot takes are SO hot they actually melt steel.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 14, 2017 01:02 PM (4df7R)

51 It goes without saying that this is a Butt Stuff thread given Amanda Marcotte, right?

Posted by: Sporkatus at July 14, 2017 01:02 PM (eXSOZ)

52 If I got more cats the same way you get babies I'd have a lot more cats.

Posted by: Mx4 at July 14, 2017 01:02 PM (wnDRY)

53 i'm already a christian in jesusland. so, fuck it, i might as well join the klan, become a skinhead, and buy a howitzer and, a flamethrower. but, mostly, a flamethrower. i plan on going full cray, cray.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 14, 2017 01:03 PM (KP5rU)

54 If you want to see crazy, drop by Amanda Marcotte's twitter.

If you got rid of Twitter, people like Amanda would jump off a bridge.

Posted by: tu3031 at July 14, 2017 01:03 PM (qJhUV)

55 The phrase "mind your own business" has never been more needed.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet carries Smear-Proof Cloaks by Ivanka Trump! at July 14, 2017 01:03 PM (hLRSq)

56 >>>If you ever try to train a dog you will learn this lesson day 1. It works

Yeah but it takes a shitload of treats

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:03 PM (fMidn)

57 That's. how. u. got. Trump.

Posted by: Chris M at July 14, 2017 01:03 PM (FGZtn)

58 Really good stuff.

Posted by: spongeworthy at July 14, 2017 01:03 PM (K/9da)

59 an acceptance of people making what we perceive to be the wrong choices for themselves.
*******

So much this.

I'd say that the thing that most distinguishes me from leftists is that I believe that people have the right to be wrong.

Me, you, everyone.

I may think your choices are wrong headed and fucked, but as long as they don't impinge on my own liberty then those choices are your business.



Posted by: Warden at July 14, 2017 01:04 PM (MZ8Zz)

60 I think I'll have another baby just to piss these people off.

Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2017 01:04 PM (jaO6p)

61 Let human train-wreck Amanda Marcotte tell you how to live.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:04 PM (oVJmc)

62 "Enforced morality is not actually morality;"

I like Jonah Goldberg's formulation of this point:

"Forced virtue is not virtuous."

Posted by: McNease at July 14, 2017 01:05 PM (RvWR/)

63 With every Renault Char tank, you get a German surprise...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/
photosnormandie/1340213423/in/photostream/

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 14, 2017 01:05 PM (+BG/J)

64 So then: Every time some preachy lib/leftist starts telling us what we should do, we should say, "So you think I should be more like you?" Or some variation thereof.

I think that would be a very good tactic. Puts them on the defensive, and MAYBE makes them think a bit about how and why they are saying what they're saying.

And keep it up: "Oh, you mean I should be like you?" Or, "I see, you seem to think I should do whatever you do." Etc.

Posted by: Alana at July 14, 2017 01:05 PM (WFVVX)

65 A person has to decide if they have enough self-discipline to leave somebody else alone ... in return for being left alone themselves.

The answer I've seen ... from a majority of Democrats AND Republicans ... is a resounding Hell No.



--
Because most people don't understand limits.
You want me to leave you alone? Fine. Just don't jam your fucking stereo at 120db at 0200 in a residential neighborhood. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.

BUT NO, they'll scream "leave me alone" while jacking the sound ip to 130db.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:05 PM (YxyYj)

66 >>>so that it is always a safer default position to find fault with anything -- anything! -- then to say something effusively positive about it

Seriously, this is important. How hard is it to be positive or to see the good? Not hard, but you gotta practice!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:05 PM (fMidn)

67 Jonah Goldberg.....

I heard that name somewhere. I think he wrote a book, didn't he......?

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 14, 2017 01:05 PM (PFy0L)

68 "Imagine thinking children are the same as cats. Seriously -- imagine the mental and moral rot necessary to think such a thing."

It's even worse than that. Liberals would never consider aborting an unborn kitten (or other animal). That would be cruel and hateful. But aborting human babies is not only a right, but something to be proud of.

Posted by: Ripley at July 14, 2017 01:05 PM (MxEKc)

69 It's nice to be able to have somebody else put words to the thoughts that I'm not a good enough writer to put out on the internet.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:06 PM (XMDuf)

70 There once was a woman who lived in a shoe

She had so many kids

Her uterus fell out

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 14, 2017 01:06 PM (FZYNt)

71 >>The Left don't exactly have the market cornered on this shit.



And I really mean this - you're at the crux of the smaller govt vs bigger govt debate. States Rights vs Centralized Control.




Agreed. I just seems that so often, when a Lefty makes a choice, such as going vegan, it's not enough to go vegan for wanting to save the planet. No, they not only have to try to get everyone they know to go vegan voluntarily, but they want to enact legislation and USDA/EPA rules to harass cattle ranchers out of business, they want to force school to go meatless, and on and on.

I eat what I want to eat and I don't ask anyone to approve it, emulate it, or make everyone do the same with the full force of the state.


Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 01:06 PM (NOIQH)

72 As always, well said Ace.

You hit upon a very important point I've found when trying to have a civil discussion with liberals.

Hatred.

Not their hatred for America, conservatives, freedom. But their SPECIFIC hatred for individuals, a specific hatred drilled into their 'open minds' by propaganda media outlets and colleges. Utter contempt for Rush, Hannity, Trump, name any other big pro-America star that the left Two Minute Hates every day.

You can reason with some leftists. You can even show some of them facts that run totally counter to everything they've been told in school.

Some do not even retreat back into la-la land at that point.

But there comes a point in every discussion, either brought about verbally or something you see happening in the liberal's eyes, where they realize 'wait a second...I'm on Rush's side? On Trump's?'

And that specific utter hatred-based on nothing but brainwashing-gets them running for the hills back to their fantasy land.

It's also why cries of 'racist,' 'homophobe' etc are so prevalent. Because even if daring to accept some facts, the liberals hatred of these demonized figures will keep them from ever seeing reality.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at July 14, 2017 01:06 PM (72PAC)

73 I doubt Amanda Marcotte really believes that; in fact, I doubt Amanda Marcotte really believes in much of anything besides Amanda Marcotte. These people just make whatever noises will get them the attention that sustains them.

Posted by: Antisocialite at July 14, 2017 01:06 PM (Z0/+C)

74 I think I'll have another baby just to piss these people off.
Posted by: Lauren



A friend wanted me to ask if you need help?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:07 PM (YxyYj)

75
BTW: It has long occurred to me that the best way to encourage moral behavior is to praise moral behavior, not to scold immoral behavior.

Agreed. If all you do is beat someone for all the "bad" things and never praise or reinforce the "good" things, you get anger, resentment, fear and hostility.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2017 01:07 PM (0mRoj)

76 >>>This judgyness too can be found in all of us. I now IF. I don't eat snacks or whatever. But I see TV commercials where fukers are eating a ton of ice cream during the day, just because.


This is true, but there is a difference between a sin which everyone has WHICH IS RECOGNIZED AS A SIN, and a sin which everyone has WHICH IS MISTAKEN FOR A VIRTUE.

In the first case, the sin is tamped down and repressed.

In the second case, it is not only indulged, it is exalted.

Yes I am judgy, you are judgy, we all are judgy.

But HOW judgy?

As one of the first Greek doctors said: It is the DOSE that makes the poison.

The *amount* of the bad thing is what changes it from an irritant to a destroyer.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:07 PM (8rNrN)

77 I think the real purpose of the fake virtue signaling is to cover real sins, transgressions, and faults that most progressives either ignore or do not recognise.
You never see real crimes, that cause real harm, to real people.
Children bred and born with no plans for their care or upbringing.
Families destroyed by affairs and adultery.
Drug abuse and lifestyles that will never allow people to be happy, productive people or citizens.

Posted by: Rhennigantx at July 14, 2017 01:07 PM (bmkS9)

78 >>Yeah but it takes a shitload of treats

I am currently up to my eyeballs in treats. Little bugger is taking a while to catch on to some things.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 01:07 PM (/tuJf)

79 And who blew out the fucking margins?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2017 01:07 PM (0mRoj)

80 69 It's nice to be able to have somebody else put words to the thoughts that I'm not a good enough writer to put out on the internet.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:06 PM (XMDuf)


You're welcome. It's kind of my thing.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 14, 2017 01:07 PM (R/01c)

81 And reading on through the article, we could say:

"Oh, I'm making decisions you disapprove of?" Or, "You seem to think I am in need of instruction and supervision."

I LIKE IT.

Posted by: Alana at July 14, 2017 01:07 PM (WFVVX)

82 Sure... shoot heroin all you want, just don't make me pay for emergency services and hospitalization and disability and rehab.

Bu that part of it has been scrubbed from the discussion.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 12:57 PM (wYseH)

---

And you and yours can get a free, and prescription free, injector pen (f*ck you, peanut allergy kids) to bring you and your drug buddies back from your ODs so that you can continue costing taxpayers tremendous amounts of money for many, many more decades.

Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 01:07 PM (psH+N)

83 Part of liberty is the liberty to:

1. Make mistakes
2. Be an asshole
3. Alienate people

If you're thoughtful you can learn from these things. If not, society will shun you. The system (usually) self-corrects.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 14, 2017 01:08 PM (RD7QR)

84 As philosopher Nick Bostrom explains it, this idea suggests there are several "evolutionary transitions or steps" that life on an Earth-like planet has to achieve before it can communicate with civilizations in other star systems. But some sort of obstacle or barrier may make it impossible for an intelligent species like ours to get through all those steps. That would explain why we haven't heard from or seen any other life.

Bostrom writes:

You start with billions and billions of potential germination points for life, and you end up with a sum total of zero extraterrestrial civilizations that we can observe. The Great Filter must therefore be powerful enough -- which is to say, the critical steps must be improbable enough -- that even with many billions of rolls of the dice, one ends up with nothing: no aliens, no spacecraft, no signals, at least none that we can detect in our neck of the woods."

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at July 14, 2017 01:08 PM (e8kgV)

85 At about the 11th hour, the disciples came to Pepe, saying, 'O Teacher of Dankness! To what can the Kingdom of Kek be compared?' And Pepe took up a tendy, said covfefe over it, and answered them, saying 'The Kingdom of Kek is like unto AoSHQ on a Friday when the Ewok shall be based bigly.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at July 14, 2017 01:08 PM (TwwWO)

86 70 There once was a woman who lived in a shoe

She had so many kids

Her uterus fell out

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 14, 2017 01:06 PM (FZYNt)

And your taxes are paying for all of those kids and her new uterus.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:08 PM (XMDuf)

87 an acceptance of people making what we perceive to be the wrong choices for themselves.
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The left can't do that though, even if they wanted to. And this is inherent in their embrace of socialism.

Consider for a example a capitalist society where some people are lazy asses, don't exercise, eat too much, get fat, and get health conditions related to this.

The health care/insurance costs of these people will go up, restricting how they can spend the rest of their income. Sucks for them. But really only them.

Now imagine the same in a socialist society.

The society as a whole has to pay these increased costs, meaning everyone has their quality of life reduced because of the choices these people made. And if you are paying for it....you get a say in it.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (eSx+E)

88 "friend wanted me to ask if you need help?"

Pretty sure my husband is already signed on for that job.

Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (jaO6p)

89 I'm not sharing my flamethrowers except with certain people. So there.

Tearing down is easier than building up. It has been ever so. See re: Tall Poppy syndrome.


Childless people, for example, hectoring those who have kids (especially if they have more than the replacement-rate of 2).


As someone childless and, more importantly, as someone who does not like children at all, I do not comprehend this. Kids are good! Kids are necessary to maintain the population! Kids are wonderful for other people and they should have them! Hell, I've been hectoring Boy BFF for years that he and his wife need to be getting on with having the kids because they need to have their 2.3 kids and mine too so chop chop.

I'll admit that I do have to fight a tendency to be all sneery about people playing the Mommy Card and, well, the profanities that ensue when people start up with the smug "oh you selfish childless person who is going to take care of you when you're old" are extreme indeed.

But this notion that because I am against my having children then everyone must be anti-child is, frankly, utterly, utterly, utterly insane.

ace, I think the GAINZ threads are an excellent example of you walking the walk on encouraging good behavior rather than shaming bad.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (dEQP3)

90 >>>I am currently up to my eyeballs in treats. Little bugger is taking a while to catch on to some things

I have levels:
Tasty
Delicious
Super Fucking Delicious, I Must Immediately Have One

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (fMidn)

91 *reads examples of today's cheap and easy writings*

*shakes head*

What in the hell happened?

Posted by: Alexis de Tocqueville at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (JO9+V)

92 The question of "can people be allowed to make their own decisions" is intimately related to the question "is it the government's responsibility to shield people from negative things."

The left long ago got the American people to agree that the answer to the second question is yes, because often times negative things happen to people to no fault of their own, and we like to think that we're nice and want to help people. Unfortunately, now that it's the government's responsibility to prevent bad things happening to people, it also becomes the government's responsibility to prevent people from doing actions which might cause those bad outcomes.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (KUaJL)

93 The Great Filter ... is ... Rap

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (e8kgV)

94 She doesn't really mean that we need less people, just less people like me. She'd happily invite fecund brown people to live in your town. They vote good!

Posted by: spongeworthy at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (K/9da)

95 Well, when you graduate college with a 2.0 Gpa and a degree in 3rd wave feminism with a minor in communication and the only source of income you can find is a weekly column in some 2nd rate blog that relies on clicks to drive income and you have no investigative skills beyond google and Wikipedia, Amanda marcotte is what you get.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (dnWSK)

96 As one of the first Greek doctors said: It is the DOSE that makes the poison.

***

I like that.

Also, I harp on this, the big problem is that the right's leadership seems to agree with the left when they virtue signal. Instead of saying, f---off.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:10 PM (AU4SY)

97 22 MOMMY! DOES THIS MEAN YOU HATE US!!!
Posted by: Amanda Marcotte's Cats at July 14, 2017 12:55 PM (qJhUV)

Yes. That's Mommy's job.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)

98 95 Well, when you graduate college with a 2.0 Gpa and a degree in 3rd wave feminism with a minor in communication and the only source of income you can find is a weekly column in some 2nd rate blog that relies on clicks to drive income and you have no investigative skills beyond google and Wikipedia, Amanda marcotte is what you get.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 14, 2017 01:09 PM (dnWSK)


Don't most colleges kick you out if your GPA falls below 2.5 for more than one semester?

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:10 PM (XMDuf)

99 It has long occurred to me that the best way to encourage moral behavior is to praise moral behavior, not to scold immoral behavior.

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Problem with that is not everybody agrees on what is moral.

Ive posted cs lewis several time here...but bears repeating:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:11 PM (8XRCm)

100 I just love this blog. I really do.

Seriously, you guys.

Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2017 01:11 PM (Fmupd)

101 Now imagine the same in a socialist society.

The society as a whole has to pay these increased costs, meaning everyone has their quality of life reduced because of the choices these people made. And if you are paying for it....you get a say in it.



Except for abortion. Then? No say whatsoever. But keep paying chump.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:11 PM (YxyYj)

102 >>I doubt Amanda Marcotte really believes that; in fact, I doubt Amanda
Marcotte really believes in much of anything besides Amanda Marcotte.





That particular example, I think she does.
She's the one who doesn't just liken a fetus to a clump of cells, she likes to equate getting an abortion is no different than using antibiotics to get rid of a virus. Pregnancy is not different than a bacterial infection, to cancer cells.


Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 01:12 PM (NOIQH)

103 Who does barren Mandy Marcotte think is going to pay her social security? Her cats?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:12 PM (oVJmc)

104 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:12 PM (dEQP3)

105 >>>1. Make mistakes
2. Be an asshole
3. Alienate people

Batting 1000!!!
WOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!
***spins in circle on floor like Curly***
That's a to-do list, right?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:12 PM (fMidn)

106 That is classic libertarianism, and unfortunately for our political discourse it has all but disappeared from the discussion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 12:57 PM (wYseH)


To the extent that the LP itself ran two democrats with the word "democrat" scratched out and the word "republican" written on, and then the word "republican" scratched out and the word "libertarian" written on in crayon.

Way to piss an opportunity down your legs, guys.

Unfortunately, classic political problem, people who want to leave people alone tend to leave people alone, people who don't... don't. Guess who ends up in power?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 14, 2017 01:12 PM (wB8Tg)

107
Don't most colleges kick you out if your GPA falls below 2.5 for more than one semester?

****

I've been saying for a while that all you need to stay in college (or law school) is a student loan.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:12 PM (AU4SY)

108 check out pictures of president Battulga of Mongolia. METAL!

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 14, 2017 01:12 PM (GOL7u)

109 Greek doctor in question is Paracelsus. Which of course means Ace's new name is Par Ace Lsus. Or Purple Ace Lexus. Something like that.

Posted by: Sporkatus at July 14, 2017 01:13 PM (eXSOZ)

110 Amanda Marcotte's cats likely developed an allergic reaction to peanut butter over the years

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 14, 2017 01:13 PM (FZYNt)

111 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?


Until my spider experiments reach culmination, yes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:13 PM (oVJmc)

112 This is actually a good companion piece to the last post.

Posted by: rickl at July 14, 2017 01:13 PM (xjiRE)

113 You want me to leave you alone? Fine. Just don't jam your fucking stereo at 120db at 0200 in a residential neighborhood. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.

BUT NO, they'll scream "leave me alone" while jacking the sound ip to 130db.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:05 PM (YxyYj)

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Yep. It's the mindset of six year olds.

Why are you crying?
Because you made me mad.
What made you mad?
You made me go to a time out.
Why did I make you go to time out?
Because I threw the remote control.
Okay, so you're mad at me because YOU threw the remote control?
(silence)

Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 01:14 PM (psH+N)

114 Don't most colleges kick you out if your GPA falls below 2.5 for more than one semester?


I was just spit-balling. I don't think it is possible to get less that a 3.5 anymore. Daddy would sue.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 14, 2017 01:14 PM (dnWSK)

115 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:12 PM (dEQP3)
____


Cougars* do to, I think.



(*the puma kind)

Posted by: IP at July 14, 2017 01:14 PM (MdC1o)

116 But this notion that because I am against my having children then everyone must be anti-child is, frankly, utterly, utterly, utterly insane.

Kids are like speed limits: They're good for other people, but me? Naaaah.

A lot of rules and restrictions are like that, really. I guess I'm special. I'd tell others the Right Way (i.e. My Way) of doing things, but, you know, I don't care. They can do the Wrong Things. If it makes them happy, hey, maybe they're not *that* wrong.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 14, 2017 01:14 PM (u0s1P)

117 112. Indeed. Thanks, Trump!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at July 14, 2017 01:14 PM (TwwWO)

118 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?


Until my spider experiments reach culmination, yes.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:13 PM (oVJmc)

----

So.... spiders are really bears?

Weird.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:14 PM (8XRCm)

119 >>>Amanda Marcotte's cats likely developed an allergic reaction to peanut butter over the years

Don't know about that, but they sure as shit don't trust the tuna smell anymore

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:15 PM (fMidn)

120
So.... spiders are really bears?

Weird.


Soon.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:15 PM (oVJmc)

121 This screed against judgment is all well and good. But this is wrong.

This is, ultimately, a battle over disgust reflexes.

Leftwing bishes show disgust reflex at normals who have kids (and aren't muzzies on welfare for life).

Rightwing normies show disgust in ways that maintain society but can now get us all fired because HR hates us.

Disgust maintains the civilization. You see those fanuchs marching in pride parades with their gender fluid toddlers. Their disgust is at your normie ass.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:15 PM (AU4SY)

122 Insightful post, Ace, thank you. I've never thought about it but it's true--it is easier to be against something than for it. Destruction is easier to do than building stuff.

Maybe that is why the anarchists do what they do. It's easier to break and tear sh*t down than think, plan, and have expertise to construct something useful.

Posted by: fly gal at July 14, 2017 01:15 PM (8TdcF)

123 We need way less narcissism. I often think about the self professed "elite" who was denigrating all us rubes when someone figured out the elite worked at dominos or some pizza joint. You're gonna call yourself elite because of where you live but my husband and I are rubes because we live in the south? We make a ton of money and have multiple degrees but pizza jockey is elite. What normal person thinks about how special they are ALL THE TIME?

Posted by: NCKate at July 14, 2017 01:15 PM (7ydCJ)

124 I'll admit that I do have to fight a tendency to be all sneery about people playing the Mommy Card and, well, the profanities that ensue when people start up with the smug "oh you selfish childless person who is going to take care of you when you're old" are extreme indeed.




From what I've seen, even those with kids, it's gonna be some minimum wage LVN at a home somewhere. The kids will have too much going on in their lives.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:16 PM (YxyYj)

125 This is one of the good ones, folks


Hit the tip jar >_>


Have a steak on me, Ace, keep the good stuff rollin'

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 14, 2017 01:16 PM (6JL3d)

126 Does Amanda Marcotte ever write anything that exhibits joy and happiness.? Granted I only see her writing referred to on here, but if the samples are an example of her regular character I can't imagine anyone wanting to be with her in a relationship for any length of time. Sounds like it would be entirely energy zapping and disheartening..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2017 01:16 PM (iVOAv)

127 Don't most colleges kick you out if your GPA falls below 2.5 for more than one semester?

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2.0 is a solid transfer GPA at most state schools if I remember correctly. Probably fairly strong chances for scholarship if it's an HBCU.

Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 01:16 PM (psH+N)

128 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?

SOON.

(Guys-- she specified *bear*. Not *mammal*. Lions and chimeras hunt people too.)

Posted by: Pandas at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (u0s1P)

129 Marcotte is a real piece of work, ain't she? A defective piece of work but nevertheless, something to behold with a profound sense of bewilderment.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (Tyii7)

130 Yep. It's the mindset of six year olds.

Why are you crying?
Because you made me mad.
What made you mad?
You made me go to a time out.
Why did I make you go to time out?
Because I threw the remote control.
Okay, so you're mad at me because YOU threw the remote control?
(silence)



It's your own privilege and in-wokeful-ness that makes you think throwing remotes is unacceptable. Some people HAVE to throw remotes to survive. But your white privileged middle class upbringing won't let you see that.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (dnWSK)

131 OK, I read the whole thing and.....WTH, over 100 comments already? I am starting to think some of you are cheating.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (7ZVPa)

132 There is a major current in Big City Liberal Culture which actually embraces redneck pursuits -- but does so with a kind of faux-irony, so it is deemed acceptable.

For example, a hipster beerhall in the SF Bay Area often has "pig roasts" and "Bacon Days" and "Pabst Blue Ribbon nights" -- every though at other times they serve vegan bar snacks and high-priced micro-brew beers. These type of events are so popular that they are become more and more common.

But the hipsters doing this - and all sorts of other redneck-y type activities and behaviors -- can only allow themselves to do it under the guise of pretentious irony, or faux-mockery. "We aren't really enjoying a night at the bowling alley wearing trucker hats and eating porks -- we are merely smirking and chortling with ironic mockery at those who sincerely enjoy these things. It's performance art! Now watch as a bowl a strike!"

Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (DQ4Fv)

133 basically, we shouldn't mistake nonjudgmentalism for empty headism.

We are trying to decide the fate of a country here.

Maybe we don't need to mandate tim tebowism for all. But we sure as fuck shouldn't let the degenerate left mandate their world view for all.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (AU4SY)

134 the "Why can't you be more like me?!"

Good question. Why can't you 'ettes be more like me?

Posted by: Rex Harrison at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (xAvrH)

135 >>Does Amanda Marcotte ever write anything that exhibits joy and happiness.?


She really loves some tv shows.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (NOIQH)

136 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?


Until my spider experiments reach culmination, yes.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:13 PM (oVJmc)

----

So.... spiders are really bears?

Weird.


That's what the experimentation is for.

Posted by: Science Pandas at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (u0s1P)

137 Cougars* do to, I think.



(*the puma kind)
Posted by: IP at July 14, 2017 01:14 PM (MdC1o)



I know cougars are weasels but now they're bears too?

This place is so informative!


Oh, ace, when we're done discussing the actual thoughtful post you put up, can we have a 2 Minutes of Hate post on CNN Zaprudering Trump's Macron handshake? Because holy schnikes.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (dEQP3)

138 I can't imagine anyone wanting to be with her in a
relationship for any length of time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2017 01:16 PM (iVOAv)

Amanda Marcotte is extremely attractive: http://tinyurl.com/yat33woq

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:18 PM (wYseH)

139 127 Don't most colleges kick you out if your GPA falls below 2.5 for more than one semester?

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2.0 is a solid transfer GPA at most state schools if I remember correctly. Probably fairly strong chances for scholarship if it's an HBCU.

***

Good enough to get me into Columbia.

XXOO

Obama

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:18 PM (AU4SY)

140 The problem with the libertarian ideal is that human society can't function without a fair bit of constraint on human behavior, and the less secure life is the more constraint ends up being imposed - little communities along the Western frontier were pretty tight-knit and not particularly individualistic. The Founders did not expect everyone to just "do their own thing." What they expected was that the restraint would come from personal morality and local social pressure than the government per se.

The real question is not between individualism and group responsibility, but who is imposing rules and how. The rise in government power has to be at least in part a reaction tio the collapse of traditional belief structures and the rise of a increasingly atomized society.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 14, 2017 01:18 PM (bZ7mE)

141 and eating porks = and eating pork rinds

Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2017 01:18 PM (DQ4Fv)

142 128 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?

SOON.

(Guys-- she specified *bear*. Not *mammal*. Lions and chimeras hunt people too.)

Also cupacabaras and billionaires with private islands.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 14, 2017 01:18 PM (dnWSK)

143
Until my spider experiments reach culmination, yes.


Face sized, naturellement?

Posted by: Sporkatus at July 14, 2017 01:18 PM (eXSOZ)

144 >>>91 *reads examples of today's cheap and easy writings*

*shakes head*

What in the hell happened?
Posted by: Alexis de Tocqueville

You dirty son-of-a-bitch Frog scribbler, are you trying to SHAME ME?!

Va te fais foutre, putain!

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (8rNrN)

145
refusal to recognize individual autonomy - the very definition of Leftism in short form.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (r+sAi)

146 Yep. It's the mindset of six year olds.

Why are you crying?
Because you made me mad.
What made you mad?
You made me go to a time out.
Why did I make you go to time out?
Because I threw the remote control.
Okay, so you're mad at me because YOU threw the remote control?
(silence)

Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 01:14 PM (psH+N)

Sounds like some guys' ex-wives.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (0mRoj)

147 Does Amanda Marcotte ever write anything that exhibits joy and happiness.?
*******

It's a good question. Not anything I've ever read.

You can tell a lot from someone by how much joy they exhibit.

I tend not to take general life advice from miserable people. Sure, I'd consider financial advice from a miserable rich guy, but little else.

Posted by: Warden at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (MZ8Zz)

148
Wasnt is Amanda Marcotte that mercilessly threatened and stalked Jeff and HIS FAMILY over at what used to be Protein Wisdom??

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (8XRCm)

149 OT but a hopeful sign - the EU courts have allowed a US pediatric neurologist to examine baby Charlie Gard. Our bible group were praying hard for a positive turn of events for him. Let's keep on praying for a miracle.

Posted by: IC at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (a0IVu)

150 104
Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?





Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:12 PM (dEQP3)

*ahem*

Posted by: Zombie Grizzly Man at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (Fb9aZ)

151 Wow. I was joking about the HBCU scholarship:

"You must have a minimum 2.0 GPA and have made an outstanding contribution to your local community through volunteer action to be eligible for this award."

http://4blackyouth.com/scholarships.aspx

Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 01:20 PM (psH+N)

152 148
Wasnt is Amanda Marcotte that mercilessly threatened and stalked Jeff and HIS FAMILY over at what used to be Protein Wisdom??
Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (8XRCm)

No. Different psycho.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2017 01:20 PM (0mRoj)

153 >>>128 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?


polar bears actively hunt polar bear *cubs.* After a mother has given birth, she has to to guard them carefully, because males (and, I suppose, other females maybe) stalk them, with the intent of eating the young.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:20 PM (8rNrN)

154 Posted by: IC at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (a0IVu)

That's good news. Good for your Bible group and their prayers!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2017 01:20 PM (iVOAv)

155 Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 01:14 PM (psH+N)

Sounds like some guys' ex-wives.
Posted by: Insomniac


Like they said, a six year old's mindset.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:20 PM (YxyYj)

156 Does Amanda Marcotte ever write anything that
exhibits joy and happiness.? Granted I only see her writing referred to
on here, but if the samples are an example of her regular character I
can't imagine anyone wanting to be with her in a relationship for any
length of time. Sounds like it would be entirely energy zapping and
disheartening..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2017 01:16 PM (iVOAv)

No, she does not.

o.O She is a fundamentally unhappy person who spends most all of her time scowling at the wrongness of the world - which, to be sure, there is plenty of. But there is a right way and wrong way to react to it.

It's like Denethor and Faramir in LotR. Both were cut from the same mold; unlike Boromir, his brother, the old blood of the West ran more true in Faramir's veins. He was perceptive like few in that era, sharp-witted and able to discern other's motives and intentions quickly, much like his father. However, Denethor's perceptiveness turned to incisiveness, whereas Faramir's moved him to pity instead.

Marcotte is by no means as perceptive as a character such as Denethor would be - but she is similar in that the knowledge and wisdom she does possess has made her hard-hearted rather than compassionate.

It cannot be a fun life.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (6JL3d)

157
Eight legged Grizzly Bears with compound eyes that can spin webs.


That'll end well.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (8XRCm)

158
A while back some politician from Israel came to the USA for some event and some unnamed source called him 'Aspy' behind his back. As in exhibiting symptoms consistent with Asperger Syndrome.

Since this is the left, no doubt, that began using this term I think it's now fair game to use it against the left, too.
Need Safe spaces? Aspy
Trigger warnings? Aspy
Fear of conservative speakers? Aspy
Narcissistic and self centered? Aspy
Fear of Republican President? Aspy
Elitist attitude toward education? Aspy

But what if... these people really do have symptoms consistent with Asperger Syndrome? Are we all expected to now accommodate their differentially wired brains? Get out of their way as they now re-write societies rules of conduct?

Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (EgwCt)

159 and eating porks = and eating pork rinds

Pork rinds are awesome.

No carbs.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (oVJmc)

160 Amanda Marcotte is extremely attractive

Skin deep and no further, that's for certain.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (Tyii7)

161 >>>Wasnt is Amanda Marcotte that mercilessly threatened and stalked Jeff and HIS FAMILY over at what used to be Protein Wisdom??

no. Amanda Marcotte is too busy hating all men to devote her attentions to just one.

I forget the name of that other lunatic but it wasn't Marcotte.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (8rNrN)

162 "When a woman gets in trouble, everybody throws her down

Lookin' for her good friend, none can be found"

Line from Robert Johnson's "Come On In My Kitchen," recorded in November 1936, San Antonio, Texas.

Who is Amanda Marcotte looking for?

Johnson's song can be played in open-G tuning on the guitar, and a slide is used.

Here is Daddy Stovepipe doing his cover of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMekxc8vIa8

Posted by: Les Kinetic at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (U6f54)

163 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?

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Well it's human's own damn fault, what with the melting of the ice caps and their disappearing natural habitat due to GLOBAL WARMING and all.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (KUaJL)

164 with special reference to Jill Filopovic's recent claim that if you want to save the world, you should not have children. Saving the earth apparently requires the voluntary self-extinguishment of the human race. -ace-


Her claim isn't unique, nor is it new.

Though she doesn't say it outright, only Westerners are being encouraged to self-extinguish. How non-novel and non-edgy can you get? As if that will improve the lot of the rest of the world.

This has been going on for decades, and Westerners are heeding the call. Replacement birth rate? Negative in many cases among Westerners (yes, you are hearing a dog whistle), while confident newcomers are more than happy to make up the difference.

Guess who the future belongs to? Those who show up.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (z79tQ)

165 >>>Amanda Marcotte is extremely attractive


I guess I'm not the only one on a multiday fast.

Head gets a bit foggy, doesn't it?

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (8rNrN)

166 >>Amanda Marcotte is extremely attractive: http://tinyurl.com/yat33woq



And that reminds me of Milo's post on feminist looks (hint: activism = higher T):

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/26/
does-feminism-make-women-ugly/

Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (NOIQH)

167 I've asked many people with kids, "What's the hardest thing you've had to do as a parent?" Not one has answered the same way I have.

My answer is, "Let my kids fail." You know they're making a mistake and will get hurt. But sometimes you have to let experience be the teacher. It cases like that, it's difficult, but necessary to stand aside and let them learn the hard way.

I also ask my kids, "Why are you being punished." When they say, "Because, I did something wrong.' I respond, "No because you got caught. Now remember that."

I believe my parenting style is somewhat 'Out of the box', but they've turned out OK.

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (6ksbU)

168 Aren't polar bears the only bear species that actively hunts humans?


polar bears actively hunt polar bear *cubs.* After a mother has given birth, she has to to guard them carefully, because males (and, I suppose, other females maybe) stalk them, with the intent of eating the young.

Posted by: ace



Males do to get the female into heat so they can bang her. Never heard of a female doing it.

Yeah, I watch too many nature shows.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (YxyYj)

169 Shorter version:

Fuck the left. In its entirety.

Next.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (jWe5r)

170 Meh.

I'll be impressed when

Amanda Marcotte
and
Jill Filopovic

waltz up to muslims and start telling them about their horrible non-chic multiple children and the horrible number of those horrible planet killing children.


Until then...unserious leftist death cult, anti-Western crapola.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (NyJwR)

171 That's the horde example of extremely attractive? Can I get a ruling from Alex?

Posted by: NCKate at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (7ydCJ)

172 I forget the name of that other lunatic but it wasn't Marcotte.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (8rNrN)

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Yeah.

I cant keep the crazies straight anymore either.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:23 PM (8XRCm)

173 Amanda Marcotte is extremely attractive: http://tinyurl.com/yat33woq

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:18 PM (wYseH)

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I'm serious when I say that she really looks like she's related to that Lena Duncan chick.

Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 01:23 PM (psH+N)

174 The real question is not between individualism and group responsibility, but who is imposing rules and how.

Rules are like wars, in a way. Nobody of a truly peaceful spirit *wants* them to exist, but they are sometimes necessary, and their only aims which remain just are the preservation of society and quelling of the need for further rules. Let this be your last battlefield rules commitee.

Posted by: Sporkatus at July 14, 2017 01:23 PM (eXSOZ)

175 It must have been tongue-in-cheek and flew right over my head, per usual.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2017 01:24 PM (Tyii7)

176
polar bears actively hunt polar bear *cubs.* After a mother has given birth, she has to to guard them carefully, because males (and, I suppose, other females maybe) stalk them, with the intent of eating the young.


Don't they know meat is murder?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:24 PM (oVJmc)

177 158
A while back some politician from Israel came to the USA for some event and some unnamed source called him 'Aspy' behind his back. As in exhibiting symptoms consistent with Asperger Syndrome.

Since this is the left, no doubt, that began using this term I think it's now fair game to use it against the left, too.
Need Safe spaces? Aspy
Trigger warnings? Aspy
Fear of conservative speakers? Aspy
Narcissistic and self centered? Aspy
Fear of Republican President? Aspy
Elitist attitude toward education? Aspy

But what if... these people really do have symptoms consistent with Asperger Syndrome? Are we all expected to now accommodate their differentially wired brains? Get out of their way as they now re-write societies rules of conduct?

Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (EgwCt)
***
#1 son is a sperg, the good kind, blessed by Kek and beloved of Pepe.

But THESE sons of bitches - they've done this to themselves. Hence the sh*tlord phrase 'Your tism is a choice."

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at July 14, 2017 01:24 PM (TwwWO)

178 >>>Does Amanda Marcotte ever write anything that
exhibits joy and happiness.?

Not kidding when I say this: many find hate to be joyous.

I find myself often really enjoying just hating on something. It's not a pretty trait.

As I noted above, though, there's a difference in how much one does it, according to whether one views taking pleasure in hatred as a sin to be suppressed or a virtue to be exalted.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:24 PM (8rNrN)

179 Head gets a bit foggy, doesn't it?

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (8rNrN)

Et tu, Ace?

It was a joke. Snark! I swear!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:24 PM (wYseH)

180 I'm starting to notice an interesting decline in masculinity, independence, and rational thought in society since we started the large scale ingestion of birth control hormones in our society.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 14, 2017 01:24 PM (7ZVPa)

181 But what if... these people really do have symptoms consistent with Asperger Syndrome? Are we all expected to now accommodate their differentially wired brains? Get out of their way as they now re-write societies rules of conduct?

Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (EgwCt)



There are some very interesting discussions going on about AI work and how most of the people working on such projects skew very strongly towards the Asperger's side of personality and how will that impact the development of the AI.

It's a fair question. The skill set needed to work on that level does not include fine attunement towards the subtleties of human interaction. Thus you have people creating the controls of the future who don't really have that much empathy. How will that end?

Skynet smiles.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:25 PM (dEQP3)

182 Oh, ace, when we're done discussing the actual
thoughtful post you put up, can we have a 2 Minutes of Hate post on CNN
Zaprudering Trump's Macron handshake? Because holy schnikes.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:17 PM (dEQP3)


I second this!

Also, I'd love a post about that evil Jody Allard woman who keeps shaming her sons as rape apologists, because there are things I want to say about her and her behavior that just won't fit in a 140 character tweet and really need breathing room to STRETCH.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 14, 2017 01:25 PM (4df7R)

183 I forget the name of that other lunatic but it wasn't Marcotte.

Deb Frisch?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:25 PM (oVJmc)

184 I forget the name of that other lunatic but it wasn't Marcotte.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:21 PM (8rNrN)

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Yeah.

I cant keep the crazies straight anymore either.
Posted by: fixerupper



Marcotte
Dunham
Schumer

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:26 PM (YxyYj)

185
And that reminds me of Milo's post on feminist looks (hint: activism = higher T):

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/26/
does-feminism-make-women-ugly/


Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (NOIQH)

Unpleasantness can make anyone unattractive.

I've known some dyed-in-the-wool hardcore lefty chicks who were flippin' gorgeous. I've known some principled, wonderful rightie girls who were not going to win any beauty pageants.

People are people, no matter where you go... there's going to be some cut of every cloth that looks good, and some that doesn't.

What does make people unattractive - what wears them down - is negativity. Angst, rage, condescension - these things will take their toll on even the most beautiful of folk. o.0 Coincidentally, hardcore modern feminism features a lot of that, but correlation =/= causation.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 14, 2017 01:26 PM (6JL3d)

186 127 Don't most colleges kick you out if your GPA falls below 2.5 for more than one semester?



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2.0 is a solid transfer GPA at most state schools if I remember
correctly. Probably fairly strong chances for scholarship if it's an
HBCU.



***



Good enough to get me into Columbia.



XXOO



Obama

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:18 PM (AU4SY)

Two C's, two D's and an F. That's a 1.2. I was at the top of the Delta pledge class!

Posted by: Larry 'Pinto" Kroger at July 14, 2017 01:26 PM (JO9+V)

187 151 Wow. I was joking about the HBCU scholarship:

"You must have a minimum 2.0 GPA and have made an outstanding contribution to your local community through volunteer action to be eligible for this award."

http://4blackyouth.com/scholarships.aspx

Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 01:20 PM (psH+N)


The 2-year school I dropped out of (because the administration was dicking me around) would kick out anybody who dropped below a 2.55.

So here I am, an idiot with no college degree and a low-paying job, and yet I seem to have better instincts/understanding of why certain people behave in certain ways than a lot of the population.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:26 PM (XMDuf)

188 "If you got rid of Twitter, people like Amanda would jump off a bridge."

You say this like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 14, 2017 01:27 PM (jWe5r)

189 Thus you have people creating the controls of the future who don't really have that much empathy. How will that end?

THERE. ARE. THREE. LAWS!

Posted by: Ghost of Isaac Asimov as Jean-Luc Picard in a Alan Smithee Production of Cats at July 14, 2017 01:27 PM (u0s1P)

190 Two C's, two D's and an F. That's a 1.2. I was at the top of the Delta pledge class!
Posted by: Larry 'Pinto" Kroger at July 14, 2017 01:26 PM (JO9+V)

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son.

Posted by: The Dean at July 14, 2017 01:27 PM (72PAC)

191 NINJAS ARE MAMMALS

Posted by: Guy Who Only Speaks in Memes from 2002 at July 14, 2017 01:27 PM (8rNrN)

192 Thus you have people creating the controls of the future who don't really have that much empathy.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:25 PM (dEQP3)

I am not sure that empathy is an advantage in many of the algorithms that AI will run.

I don't want my cardiologist to be empathetic...I want him to diagnose and treat my hidden heart condition.

I don't want my driverless car to be empathetic, I want it to obay the rules of the road.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (wYseH)

193 We were discussing that Politico article this AM, where they go to WI and all the local leftists can't believe their state went for Trump.

But, they never tried to understand WHY their fellow neighbors voted for Trump.

All of them--to a man--were sure it was due to racism, bigotry, hatred. Some ventured it was due to stupidly clinging to the past. Bitterly clinging.

But--not one of them wanted to even consider there were good, honest and valid reasons for voting for Trump.

Instead, all the saw were sinners--sinners who reveled in their sin, who refused to admit they'd sinned, who were even ignorant of their sin.

The scariest part was how easily they came to believe their former friends and neighbors were taken over with evil.

As we here have said, most leftist won't load us into the boxcars, they won't sign the order--but, as we're being dragged away, they will surely hide behind their closed door with the window shades drawn.

And comfort themselves with the thoughts that we deserved it.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (W1XyZ)

194 How many kids does Marcotte have?

Typical. You can't do it so you mock it.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (bwBxJ)

195 I'm starting to notice an interesting decline in masculinity, independence, and rational thought in society since we started the large scale ingestion of birth control hormones in our society.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 14, 2017 01:24 PM (7ZVPa)

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I have the same theory about smoking.

Tobacco helps manage stress, changes hormonal chemistry and imrpoves confidence. When we as America smoked, we tamed and built a continent, fought and won TWO world wars and built the most awesome society in the history of the planet.

Then...we quit smoking.

Now look at us.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (8XRCm)

196 That's the horde example of extremely attractive? Can I get a ruling from Alex?
Posted by: NCKate at July 14, 2017 01:22 PM (7ydCJ)



She's a normal person who verges into cute when she bothers to take care of herself.

Though she's starting to look on the outside what she is on the inside and that's unattractive indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (dEQP3)

197 Libertarianism is not anarchy. There is still government. There is still law and order. If you infringe another's liberty, you pay a consequence. Murder, thievery punishable by the state. Ferment sugar water in your basement? Who gives a shit? Grow a plant in your back yard and smoke it, maybe sell some to your friends? Who gives a shit? Get drunk and high and kill someone in a car wreck? Going to jail. If you choose to live your life drunk and high there will also be no state "safety net" to give you a disability check for your debilitating degenerative joint disease at 22 years old, either.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (dnWSK)

198 >>>188 "If you got rid of Twitter, people like Amanda would jump off a bridge."

You say this like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick

...

not being a Christian, I can say that a bridge's lateral exits are underadvertised to certain people.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (8rNrN)

199 I am not sure that empathy is an advantage in many of the algorithms that AI will run.

I don't want my cardiologist to be empathetic...I want him to diagnose and treat my hidden heart condition.

I don't want my driverless car to be empathetic, I want it to obay the rules of the road.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (wYseH)

That's all well and good until the supercomputer in your car decides that the best way to get to its destination faster is to kill all the other people trying to drive places.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (KUaJL)

200 Deb Frisch?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:25 PM (oVJmc)

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Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.

My apologies to Amanda.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (8XRCm)

201 Not kidding when I say this: many find hate to be joyous.

***

some see the only moral scourge in the world as the townfolk from Footlose. And they fight hard.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (AU4SY)

202 #1 son is a sperg, the good kind, blessed by Kek and beloved of Pepe.

But THESE sons of bitches - they've done this to themselves. Hence the sh*tlord phrase 'Your tism is a choice."

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at July 14, 2017 01:24 PM (TwwWO)


I'm glad your son is okay. Truly mean that.

I've had two experiences with extended family members now and they were/are both nightmares. Walking talking nightmares like incessant nails on chalkboard variety.

Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (EgwCt)

203 >>It was a joke. Snark! I swear!

Nothing to be ashamed of. Lot's of people are attracted to heinous crones. I've heard.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (/tuJf)

204 As we here have said, most leftist won't load us into the boxcars, they won't sign the order--but, as we're being dragged away, they will surely hide behind their closed door with the window shades drawn.

And comfort themselves with the thoughts that we deserved it.
Posted by: RoyalOil



Swap out leftist with moderate muzzie.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:30 PM (YxyYj)

205 >>>I have the same theory about smoking.

Tobacco helps manage stress, changes hormonal chemistry and imrpoves confidence. When we as America smoked, we tamed and built a continent, fought and won TWO world wars and built the most awesome society in the history of the planet.

Then...we quit smoking.

Now look at us.

...

well when I was smoking I was largely immobile, fat, unhealthy, and inactive.

I quit and now i'm doing martial arts.

I have to reject this mythologization of the manliness of damaging your lung capacity and activity level.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:31 PM (8rNrN)

206 Really a lot of it is because people like Amanda Marcotte have never gotten their asses beat for acting like this.

An serious ass kicking usually nips this shit in the bud.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 14, 2017 01:31 PM (4ErVI)

207
not being a Christian, I can say that a bridge's lateral exits are underadvertised to certain people.


***

sure sure, you may be absolved of being a christ-ian. But don't you know that fffffucking evil white males are the root of all evil in the world, having invented war and poverty and slavery and aids and crack.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:31 PM (AU4SY)

208 Haven't read the comments so forgive me if someone else already noted this:

I think the problem now is -- largely owing to the epidemic of collectivism -- that many (perhaps most) people in general NO LONGER suffer the consequences of their immoral, OR receive the benefits from their moral, behavior.

In fact, the opposite now seems largely true. We punish excellence/virtue and reward mediocrity/vice.

Natural selection has been turned on its head. Sadly, I think the only hope at this point is for a cataclysmic thinning of the herd.

Posted by: ShainS at July 14, 2017 01:31 PM (ZcAbN)

209
All of them--to a man--were sure it was due to racism, bigotry, hatred. Some ventured it was due to stupidly clinging to the past. Bitterly clinging.


They want unreasoning hate.

Understanding is hard. And it makes moral superiority impossible.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:31 PM (oVJmc)

210 That's all well and good until the supercomputer in your car decides that the best way to get to its destination faster is to kill all the other people trying to drive places.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (KUaJL)

--------------

An intriguing idea.

Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2017 01:32 PM (Fmupd)

211 I've had two experiences with extended family members now and they were/are both nightmares. Walking talking nightmares like incessant nails on chalkboard variety.
Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (EgwCt)
***
Thanks, man. He's a good kid - encyclopedic knowledge of diesel-electric locomotives, knows EVERY freaking road and alley in the county, but still does the other kid stuff fairly well.

My kid brother has three sons. Non-verbal, shrieking, head-banging autists, all of them. how his family manages, I can't begin to imagine.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at July 14, 2017 01:32 PM (TwwWO)

212 I don't want my cardiologist to be empathetic...I want him to diagnose and treat my hidden heart condition.

I don't want my driverless car to be empathetic, I want it to obay the rules of the road.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (wYseH)

But here's the thing. Your driverless car is obeying the rules of the road while you're having a heart attack in the front seat. You want it to go faster, to blink its lights and honk its horn so you can get to the hospital, but it won't because that's contrary to public safety. There's an override but the override's broken and you haven't had it fixed yet b/c it's too expensive. You can't open the door b/c the AI keeps all doors locked while in transit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 14, 2017 01:32 PM (4df7R)

213 The problem with the libertarian ideal...

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 14, 2017 01:18 PM (bZ7mE)


Is that nobody knows how to negotiate.

Seriously, people put down "what I want" as a bargaining position instead of "twice what I want."

You don't push for libertarian policies because you expect to get libertarian policies, you push for them because you might get a third what you want, and that might actually be enough to stave off economic or social collapse.

One (of many) of the reasons politics is *so* angry is that we've built in this zany assumption that you ask for what you want instead of *actually negotiating*, so everyone is constantly disappointed.

I mean, there's actual philosophical incompatibilities as well. But still.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (wB8Tg)

214 Ooooh, I'm going to use some of these thoughts tonight. I'm performing at a Bastille Day party which will be full of arrogant libs in their glory.

And maybe I'll congratulate their hero Macron on making Trump the guest of honor at Bastille Day and having American troops lead the Paris parade.

Militarism in France!

OMG.

Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (3myMJ)

215 I am not sure that empathy is an advantage in many of the algorithms that AI will run.

I don't want my cardiologist to be empathetic...I want him to diagnose and treat my hidden heart condition.

I don't want my driverless car to be empathetic, I want it to obay the rules of the road.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (wYseH)


Concur on this points, but that's on the tactical level, senor.
I think atc's concern is more at the strategic level with that comment; fundamental design that will be incorporated into just about everything following the first big success.

Anyone remember the old Megaman X games? After X was found, a free-thinking android able to do whatever he decided, free of the Three Laws, Reploids/Repliroids, the mass-produced knockoffs made in the century he'd awakened in, were all based on what humanity could understand of X's revolutionary design.

Mistakes were made o_0 and, lacking the hardcore ethical testing that X's designer had devised for him that would not let him awaken from his stasis until green lighted by the monitoring systems as being morally upstanding and safe to expose to humanity, lots of the androids ended up going on a killing spree that eventually left like 60% of the planet dead by the time the Z series of games rolled around.

What we teach our AIs is going to make or break us

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (6JL3d)

216 in a Alan Smithee Production of Cats


It's shit like this that keeps me coming back to this hive of scum and villainy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (LTHVh)

217 210 That's all well and good until the supercomputer in your car decides that the best way to get to its destination faster is to kill all the other people trying to drive places.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (KUaJL)

Ooooooo...can I steal that?

I'll add rocket launchers.

Posted by: Michael Bay at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (72PAC)

218 It's a fair question. The skill set needed to work on that level does not include fine attunement towards the subtleties of human interaction. Thus you have people creating the controls of the future who don't really have that much empathy. How will that end?

Skynet smiles.



Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:25 PM (dEQP3)


Not only that, at least half of those people DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN A FUTURE beyond their own lifetimes.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (XMDuf)

219 This is the unfortunate result of the nerds winning the culture war.

Posted by: Max Power at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (q177U)

220 >>>I think the problem now is -- largely owing to the epidemic of collectivism -- that many (perhaps most) people in general NO LONGER suffer the consequences of their immoral, OR receive the benefits from their moral, behavior.

In fact, the opposite now seems largely true. We punish excellence/virtue and reward mediocrity/vice.

Natural selection has been turned on its head. Sadly, I think the only hope at this point is for a cataclysmic thinning of the herd.

...

almost certainly absolutely true. I didn't see anyone note it previously.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (8rNrN)

221 Politics, fashion --- it all changes to some degree or another. What stays the same are the archetypal personality types. If you get rid of religion you don't get rid of humorless scolds as the left seems to think. They just gravitate to other types of scolding. So really it is less about ideologies than it is about psychologies and pathologies.

The impulse in man that makes him want to control other men is something that never goes away. It just disguises itself, and justifies itself differently. And it is my contention that this impulse is the root of all evil. The desire to control others, and to make decisions for them when they are not harming anyone but themselves is the basis of all the worlds tyrannies, and all of the world's pogroms. The desire to remake the world in one's own image is usurping God's domain, and it can only end in disaster.

So if you want to make an argument for the existence of a God it is this one I find most attractive. It did not have to be that the system which generates the most prosperity is the one which allows each individual to make their own choices. It didn't have to be that the system which is most suited to making people healthy and happy is the one which most allows them to think for themselves, and choose how they will live. Evil did not have to be self-extinguishing, incompetent, and inefficient. But it is. Maybe that is why we call it evil, or maybe the universe was ordered this way by a benevolent being. Perhaps the invisible hand orders not just economics, but the universe as well.

Posted by: thatch at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (GxTZq)

222 Yeah, she's a 1.

Posted by: Married Men Everywhere at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (psH+N)

223 also, remember, communism is an idea searching for a marketing scheme. At the end of the day, communism isn't about the proles having enough to eat, it's that you...or someone like you...gets to be in charge and steal all the nice toys.

Marcotte practices environmental style communism. or femininst. or media based. Her version of communism is marketed to the black spots in her soul.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:34 PM (AU4SY)

224 I don't want my driverless car to be empathetic, I want it to obay the rules of the road.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (wYseH)


But what are those rules? There was the MIT study that was presented as an online game of okay tell the car what to do, hit the gas and run over granny in the crosswalk or hit the brakes and slam into and kill the car full of kids.

As joe noted, someone has to program the algorithm to not plow people down. Someone has to program the algorithm what to do when the choice is kill the driver or kill the pedestrian. If the people doing that programming have, at best, a shaky grasp on the value of humanity, there will be problems.

Now they have bad breath . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:34 PM (dEQP3)

225 I don't want my driverless car to be empathetic, I want it to obey the rules of the road.

Eeeh, there are enough issues with "what happens when the car has to avoid a crash" that a serious debate on prioritization, insurance, and liability needs to be held, and empathy or or value of life or whatever needs to be a part of it.

Split-second decision by a driver avoid Crisis A and hit cyclist B? That's one thing. Robot car thinks he's Batman and deciding same? That's different.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 14, 2017 01:34 PM (u0s1P)

226 Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:31 PM (8rNrN)

You need to do marital art so you can get fat again.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 01:34 PM (bwBxJ)

227 You dirty son-of-a-bitch Frog scribbler, are you trying to SHAME ME?!



Va te fais foutre, putain!

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:19 PM (8rNrN)

Not at all, esteemed sir. I am in agreement with your central tenet that many of today's popular media writers are simply hacks, unable to pour piss out of a boot even with instructions written on the sole. Your writings, of which I am quite fond, have a certain je ne sais quoi, a savoir faire, some lagniappe!

Posted by: Alexis de Tocqueville at July 14, 2017 01:34 PM (JO9+V)

228 215 What we teach our AIs is going to make or break us


Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (6JL3d)


Silicon Valley big-wigs have already said that their endgame for AI is human extinction.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:34 PM (XMDuf)

229 You know who really wants to save our good earth ?
Westerners that love their children . They don't want to bequeath their offspring a toxic environment .
Also , I'd like a 105 howitzer not one of those new 155 monsters , as awesome as they are , I figger I can tow a 105 and a reasonable supply of boolits with my F150 and crew it with a couple of rednecks in a pinch .

Posted by: awkward davies at July 14, 2017 01:34 PM (JsMw3)

230 It was a joke. Snark! I swear!



Nothing to be ashamed of. Lot's of people are attracted to heinous crones. I've heard.

She looks like that tight end tranny in "The World According to Garp".

Posted by: tu3031 at July 14, 2017 01:35 PM (qJhUV)

231 well when I was smoking I was largely immobile, fat, unhealthy, and inactive.

I quit and now i'm doing martial arts.

I have to reject this mythologization of the manliness of damaging your lung capacity and activity level.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:31 PM (8rNrN)

----

Tongue in cheek Ace.

Although..... when I quit SKOAL cold turkey after a nearly 40 year habit... I plumped out like a balloon, was generally a dick for about a year, quit going to the gym and was easily stressed out. Took about two years to where the cravings went away and everything reach equillibrium again.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:35 PM (8XRCm)

232 We were discussing that Politico article this AM, where they go to WI and all the local leftists can't believe their state went for Trump.

There's also that article about the Minnesota (?) Muslim man who was accepted in the community, then got all paranoid when Trump won.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 14, 2017 01:35 PM (u0s1P)

233 Sadly, I think the only hope at this point is for a cataclysmic thinning of the herd.
Posted by: ShainS




Do you possibly have a newsletter one might subscribe to?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:35 PM (YxyYj)

234 From personal knowledge, experience, beliefs, and so on.

Aspies don't generally want the world rewired to accommodate them. It's enough to just understand the world that exists. Aspies are not emotionless people who don't care - there's actually a lot of pain involved in not fitting in and not understanding social interaction. The issue at play is not understanding the rules.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 14, 2017 01:35 PM (eytER)

235 Natural selection has been turned on its head. Sadly, I think the only hope at this point is for a cataclysmic thinning of the herd.


****

on some other blogs, it would be noted that you're using a 1st world welfare system to support 3rd world lifestyles.

the first world has the welfare system that's generous because its people wouldn't use it.

the third world has its shit because their people would use it forever.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:35 PM (AU4SY)

236 I'd probably get a lemon AI car that was programmed with left over Grand Theft Auto video games.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 01:36 PM (bwBxJ)

237 Laughing about the 'smoking' comment. I swear to you that research has been stifled for those of us who have not been able to quit. Some people can quit: some can't. Why is that? There is also the rather odd correlation between quitting smoking and asthma (which is probably code for something else like vasodilator?). No, smoking tobacco is baaaaad; smoking marijuana is gooood. It is worth millions in grants.

If you break your leg, they might not treat you if you are a smoker. You deserved it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 14, 2017 01:36 PM (MIKMs)

238 >>>That's all well and good until the supercomputer in your car decides that the best way to get to its destination faster is to kill all the other people trying to drive places.

Shit, I could have told it THAT!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:36 PM (fMidn)

239 225 I don't want my driverless car to be empathetic, I want it to obey the rules of the road.

Eeeh, there are enough issues with "what happens when the car has to avoid a crash" that a serious debate on prioritization, insurance, and liability needs to be held, and empathy or or value of life or whatever needs to be a part of it.

Split-second decision by a driver avoid Crisis A and hit cyclist B? That's one thing. Robot car thinks he's Batman and deciding same? That's different.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 14, 2017 01:34 PM (u0s1P)


More than likely, the car will crash in a way that kills the driver in order to avoid external casualties.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:36 PM (XMDuf)

240 Nature will find a way. If we have too many children, the polar bears will eat us. I know because The Washington Post tell me so.

https://tinyurl.com/y9a3694m

White power!

Also, 2 billion people in the U.S. lack clean drinking water.

https://tinyurl.com/y8o3h84v

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 14, 2017 01:37 PM (Nwg0u)

241 Thus you have people creating the controls of the future who don't really have that much empathy. How will that end?

Skynet smiles.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:25 PM (dEQP3)


From my experience they have fake empathy. If I ask this individual (who bugs the ever-living-hell out of me) where his his/her empathy is for the poor single mother who has to pay a 10% federal tax rate on her limited earnings in order that unfettered immigration can continue to be financed he/she will get up and walk away. Or immediately change the subject. As if I no longer exist in the room.

There's never any attempt to see into the middle ground. As if their brain cannot comprehend anything other than black or white. No shades of gray allowed.

Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 01:37 PM (EgwCt)

242 I tell you what, the people who make AI better make it fucking dumb. Or else we're toast. Make it a law that AI can only be put inside a commodore 64.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:37 PM (AU4SY)

243 234 Aspies don't generally want the world rewired to accommodate them. It's enough to just understand the world that exists. Aspies are not emotionless people who don't care - there's actually a lot of pain involved in not fitting in and not understanding social interaction. The issue at play is not understanding the rules.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 14, 2017 01:35 PM (eytER)


Until they piss in mommy's bed because they want tendies.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:37 PM (XMDuf)

244 How will that end?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:25 PM (dEQP3)


I can't tell you how this ends, but I can tell you how it begins. With a billion "news" articles by people who can't tell the difference between a batch file and a synthetic life form. (looks askance at pretty much all "AI" commentary)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 14, 2017 01:38 PM (wB8Tg)

245 Yeah, she's a 1.
Posted by: Married Men Everywhere



If she's a 0? Give her the Teen Vogue issue on anal. Voila! 1.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:38 PM (YxyYj)

246 I always found it interesting that they are judgmental about folks with a lot of kids ONLY if they raise them without government assistance.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 14, 2017 01:39 PM (JKNZq)

247 It's shit like this that keeps me coming back to this hive of scum and villainy.

I was going to go on and get even more absurd, but I thought I'd reach the character limit already.

Maybe it's for the best.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 14, 2017 01:39 PM (u0s1P)

248 During the coming AI vs Genetically Augmented Clones War, the normal people are going to be fucked.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 01:39 PM (LTHVh)

249 One (of many) of the reasons politics is *so* angry is that we've built in this zany assumption that you ask for what you want instead of *actually negotiating*, so everyone is constantly disappointed.

I mean, there's actual philosophical incompatibilities as well. But still.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (wB8Tg)



Oh this drives me bonkers as well. The Ebil Freedom Caucus is holding a bill hostage until their insane demands are met!

No. They are freaking negotiating you mindless twatweasels. Just like the people calling them hostage takers are. Why is it that only one side gets to present demands?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:39 PM (dEQP3)

250 "Saving the earth apparently requires the voluntary self-extinguishment of the human race."

That's been their position for quite a while now. Sooner or later, however, it won't be "voluntary". The Left has gone from exterminationist to extinctionist.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 14, 2017 01:40 PM (rznWS)

251 Those people who think the human race should die out to save the planet? Let them lead by example.

Posted by: George Jetson at July 14, 2017 01:40 PM (MZcWR)

252 BTW, the population got softer fatter and weaker around the time we started quitting smoking-- but this was also the time when the government began telling us that meat, bacon, and eggs were bad for us and that we should eat more fattening carbs.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:40 PM (8rNrN)

253 >>>Until they piss in mommy's bed because they want tendies.

Maybe the guy on the J Train was a hungry Aspie?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:40 PM (fMidn)

254 Aspies are not emotionless people who don't care

That's my gig.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 14, 2017 01:41 PM (R/01c)

255 If you look around, you'll notice how polite people are now. So nice, so friendly, so polite, so willing to smile and lend a hand.

That's not because people are innately nicer, its that they've been raised to believe

1) Karma is real so being nice will result in nice stuff for you
2) Being nice will get them goodies like the doggy being trained

Its all self-focused and inward. They aren't being nice because they belive they should, or because its the right thing to do, or out of concern for their neighbor or because its better for society, or to honor God or anything like that.

they're being nice because it makes them look good to others and makes them feel good about themselves.

Now you may say "well 6 of one, half dozen of the other, right? As long as they're polite!"

The problem here is that if its all about how they feel and how they think they'll benefit rather than an absolute concept of objective rules on behavior and external motivation, they're just as likely to be awful to other people. Whichever gives them the best feels. Helping the old lady open the door or hitting "fascists" with a bike lock: same motivation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 01:41 PM (39g3+)

256 197 Libertarianism is not anarchy. There is still government. There is still law and order. If you infringe another's liberty, you pay a consequence. Murder, thievery punishable by the state. Ferment sugar water in your basement? Who gives a shit? Grow a plant in your back yard and smoke it, maybe sell some to your friends? Who gives a shit? Get drunk and high and kill someone in a car wreck? Going to jail. If you choose to live your life drunk and high there will also be no state "safety net" to give you a disability check for your debilitating degenerative joint disease at 22 years old, either.


You are still thinking in very simplistic, government-oriented terms, and a very wealthy, secure society. What happens when a girl gets pregnant out of wedlock? Does can her family put pressure on the boy to marry her? Can they actually do that in your libertarian society? How strong is morality and familial oversight in preventing the situation to begin with? What if your neighbor plays loud music at 2:00 AM? Can you appeal to his sense of propriety successfully, or does the neighborhood have to threat retaliation to get him to turn it off, or do you call the cops?

Every human interaction involves give and take on both sides, and this has to be governed by something. You don't cut in lines or bump into people in the streets. Why not, and what do you do when someone does?

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 14, 2017 01:41 PM (bZ7mE)

257 AI will not be a problem after the Butlerian Jihad.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 14, 2017 01:41 PM (apDWk)

258 Probably responding to these scolds on Twitter in a rebellious teen way would be funny. It might even do some good.

"Yeah whatever DAD."

"Shut your Mom mouth."

They are acting like parents, or at least having a parent like authority to command. So treat them like parents...old, square, out of touch losers.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 14, 2017 01:41 PM (4ErVI)

259 During the coming AI vs Genetically Augmented Clones War, the normal people are going to be fucked.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 01:39 PM (LTHVh)


Well, thank goodness I'm not normal people!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 14, 2017 01:41 PM (wB8Tg)

260 Well done. But it isn't religion without God. It's a religion where I AM God. And that's way better. Because whatever I do is, by definition Godly, and anything that offends me is a blasphemy. That's way better than no God

Posted by: Ted K at July 14, 2017 01:41 PM (FsCz6)

261 Well said.

Posted by: Abiss at July 14, 2017 01:41 PM (L6Zpd)

262 "Not kidding when I say this: many find hate to be joyous."


Yep. Like fire, both attractive and damned dangerous and has to be watched closely.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet carries Smear-Proof Cloaks by Ivanka Trump! at July 14, 2017 01:41 PM (hLRSq)

263 I wonder, in Amanda Marcotte's post-objective truth world, what would be the limiting factor on me doing what I please (like having kids). Why should I care to "save" an inevitably doomed planet? Why should I do anything other than satiate my hedonistic desire?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 14, 2017 01:42 PM (UJJCx)

264 We need nothing, Leftists need less narcissists and they talk a good game of tolerance but practice none of it.

Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2017 01:42 PM (9g/6M)

265 Too much soy in our food and we'll all end up as trannies.

Posted by: NCKate at July 14, 2017 01:42 PM (7ydCJ)

266 Posted by: Grey Fox at July 14, 2017 01:41

I also want a consistent utility and road system.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 01:42 PM (bwBxJ)

267 The Waltons, at 7 children in the mid-20s, was a small family.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at July 14, 2017 01:42 PM (AKThB)

268 The left and the media are forever attacking conservatives for beliefs
they don't actually hold. I find that a stunning lack of curiosity.
======
Today's leftist have gone a quantum leap beyond the liberals derided by Reagan for "knowing so much that isn't so" to something beyond such as: "actively hostile to the suggestion that there is anything they don't know."

I'd also add, they don't want to know because it's not on the exam.

Knowing what makes a man good, what leads to a life full of virtue, what is wisdom, what makes civilization successful--that's not on the test.

Not going to get you into Harvard.

Not going to get you a job in New York or DC.

"You know that and what good has it done you?" they'll sneer. "You're still living in Kansas--I live in the City."

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 14, 2017 01:43 PM (W1XyZ)

269 Not kidding when I say this: many find hate to be joyous.


That reminds me! BRB, gonna go watch some more "Trump beats CNN's logo to a pulp" gifs on Twitter.


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 14, 2017 01:43 PM (4df7R)

270 248 During the coming AI vs Genetically Augmented Clones War, the normal people are going to be fucked.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 01:39 PM (LTHVh)

So when you say "genetically augmented", does that include all sorts of fun augmentation? [Waggles eyebrows]

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 14, 2017 01:43 PM (RD7QR)

271 More than likely, the car will crash in a way that kills the driver in order to avoid external casualties.

Well, as soon as word of that gets out, sales should plummet, so I guess the Invisible Hand would work things out?

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 14, 2017 01:43 PM (u0s1P)

272 >>"Saving the earth apparently requires the voluntary self-extinguishment of the human race."

>>That's been their position for quite a while now. Sooner or later, however, it won't be "voluntary". The Left has gone from exterminationist to extinctionist.

I've been saying this for years but it remains true. The eugenics crowd is at the heart of the Global Warming scam and they flat out said this was their goal from day 1. Not complete extinction but wiping out enough people to get earth back into "balance".

The only mystery is why so many normally sane people fell for this scam when they came right out from the get go claiming this was their mission.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 01:44 PM (/tuJf)

273 No. They are freaking negotiating you mindless twatweasels. Just like the people calling them hostage takers are. Why is it that only one side gets to present demands?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:39 PM (dEQP3)


Because, in that conversation, there are three sides - the right, the left, and the reporters.

So it's two against one.

Frankly there are other problems, like the fact that everybody in DC gets acculturated into Government Thinking, even people who object to Government Thinking. So that tilts the field as well, as do other issues.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 14, 2017 01:44 PM (wB8Tg)

274 271 Well, as soon as word of that gets out, sales should plummet, so I guess the Invisible Hand would work things out?

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 14, 2017 01:43 PM (u0s1P)


And that, Sir, is what Government Mandates are for.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:44 PM (XMDuf)

275 I have 6 kids (who are kids now) and have never been hectored about it. But I welcome the opportunity!

Posted by: gm at July 14, 2017 01:44 PM (nrca1)

276 267 The Waltons, at 7 children in the mid-20s, was a small family.
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at July 14, 2017 01:42 PM (AKThB)

Because they were fortunate that 2 or 3 of them didn't die in childbirth or shortly thereafter.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 14, 2017 01:44 PM (RD7QR)

277 The catch 22 is that a narcissist will dismiss anyone that presents them with evidence they are a narcissist.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 01:44 PM (bwBxJ)

278 267 The Waltons, at 7 children in the mid-20s, was a small family.

***

funny, cause in modern london, 2017, Achmed Al Muhammed Mohammed's family at 3 wives with 6 children each in 5 council homes was a small family.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:45 PM (AU4SY)

279 "I have the same theory about smoking.

Tobacco helps manage stress, changes hormonal chemistry and imrpoves
confidence. When we as America smoked, we tamed and built a continent,
fought and won TWO world wars and built the most awesome society in the
history of the planet.

Then...we quit smoking.

Now look at us."

I guess I picked a bad century to quit sniffing glue.

Posted by: Lloyd Bridges at July 14, 2017 01:45 PM (OmOvC)

280 Quitting smoking wasn't hard. I did it four times. Once for four years.

The final time just took more willpower. I've always made personal freedom my goal. I decided no cigarette was going to control me and that was the end of that.

Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at July 14, 2017 01:45 PM (3myMJ)

281 for awhile Frisch's name was banned here because she was so psychotic there was a real risk she would come after the bloggers and even commenters.

i think she is now at the happy home. with trees and flowers and chirping birds. ha ha.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 14, 2017 01:45 PM (GOL7u)

282 also, it is obvious, and I'm sure it's been pointed out...

Marcotte is as jealous of the mom with kids as a nerd pissing about Kate Upton marrying Verlander.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:45 PM (AU4SY)

283 OT and apropos of absolutely nuttin'....if you have a Sam's near you (possibly Costco...don't know) get their 'Oven baked ParmCrisps'.


O M G....crack in a bag.


Ingredients: Aged Parmesan cheese.

Posted by: Tami at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (Enq6K)

284 The catch 22 is that a narcissist will dismiss anyone that presents them with evidence they are a narcissist.

You aren't talking about me, are you?

Posted by: Ex President Cock Curious at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (qJhUV)

285 272 The only mystery is why so many normally sane people fell for this scam when they came right out from the get go claiming this was their mission.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 01:44 PM (/tuJf)

Because they all think they're part of the enlightened Special Class that will get to inhabit the New Xanadu.

It never occurs to them that the numbers don't work out, because they're just SO SURE that they're part of the Chosen Ones.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (XMDuf)

286 Amanda and Jill (and Matt Yglesias et al) are the ones hanging out at the Cultural equivalent of the "Gas-N-Sip" by themselves on a Saturday night telling the Lloyd Doblers of the world what they know.

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (uBKPR)

287 BTW, the population got softer fatter and weaker around the time we started quitting smoking-- but this was also the time when the government began telling us that meat, bacon, and eggs were bad for us and that we should eat more fattening carbs.

And corn syrup subsidies. I blame Iowa.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (u0s1P)

288 If you look around, you'll notice how polite people are now. So nice, so friendly, so polite, so willing to smile and lend a hand.

That's not because people are innately nicer, its that they've been raised to believe

1) Karma is real so being nice will result in nice stuff for you
2) Being nice will get them goodies like the doggy being trained


3) They're carrying and can end you with 4.5 lbs of pressure.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (YxyYj)

289 >>Quitting smoking wasn't hard

Quitters never win.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (/tuJf)

290 / sorry, I should be more sympathetic, except that I remember her reign of terror.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (GOL7u)

291 The Waltons, at 7 children in the mid-20s, was a small family.
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at July 14, 2017 01:42 PM (AKThB)

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I grew up in NE Iowa. Strong traditional Catholic part of the country. Very large families were the norm.... families with 7 or 8 kids common.

I dated a gal in HS that had 17 brothers and sisters. At one point.... that family had a child in every grade, 1st thru senior in HS.

There are five children in my family and we're not even Catholic. My youngest sister is twenty years my junior. I tease Dad about being a careless Protestant.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (8XRCm)

292 The only mystery is why so many normally sane people fell for this scam when they came right out from the get go claiming this was their mission.

Progressivism is the believe that society should be run by an intellectual elite. A progressive is one who imagines themselves part of this elite.

To quote Tolkien, I think, 'No one ever voted to send themselves to the camps.'.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 01:47 PM (LTHVh)

293 >>>when I quit SKOAL cold turkey after a nearly 40 year habit... I plumped out like a balloon, was generally a dick for about a year, quit going to the gym and was easily stressed out. Took about two years to where the cravings went away and everything reach equillibrium again.

hear that. Every time I quit I ballooned up 40 pounds or so.

For anyone who has trouble quitting, read the Easy Way to Quit Smoking. Powerful stuff, almost hypnotherapy that you read in a book.

And get on the vape! E-cigs are addictive part of the cigarette (the nicotine) without the carcinogens and lung damaging part (the smoke, the tar, the assorted other chemicals like carbon monoxide).

That book and the e-cig will take care of the psychological addiction and the nicotine addiction (the latter will be taken care of because you're still inhaling gaseous nicotine right into your lungs).

After that, you can taper down your nicotine level gradually until you just go off it for good.

I'm not there yet, but i'm on a lower level (.6) and will soon buy .3 to mix with the .6 to make a .45 or so, and then I'll step down to the .3.

and then after a while i'll do the same process with the 0.0 (no nicotine --just a cutting agent to dilute the .3).

But ecigs are *least* 95% safer than cigarettes (and that might be conservative -- they might not be dangerous at all, beyond the level of, say, coffee) so once you're on them it's not super-urgency to get off them. (Thought it is probably advisable -- who wants to have an extra unnecessary addiction and bother in one's life?)



Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:47 PM (8rNrN)

294 Quitting smoking wasn't hard. I did it four times. Once for four years.

***

I don't know.

I guess the tricks are these:

1. don't develop a pack a day habit.
2. If you do it socially, stop doing it when the weekend's over.
3. Now that I never smoke, I don't mind a semi-annual smoke if a hot chick wants to share one.

true story, when romney lost I smoked a pack of cigarettes in a week.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:47 PM (AU4SY)

295 I also want a consistent utility and road system.

Put me down for standardized weights and measures.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 14, 2017 01:47 PM (u0s1P)

296 One (of many) of the reasons politics is *so* angry is that we've built in this zany assumption that you ask for what you want instead of *actually negotiating*, so everyone is constantly disappointed.

I mean, there's actual philosophical incompatibilities as well. But still.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (wB8Tg)

Ann Coulter had a funny rant a few years ago on how inept Republicans in particular were at negotiating. Of course, this was before the epiphany that they weren't actually terrible, but very good at faking being terrible to get what they secretly wanted.

Dems: We want 10x.
GOP: We want 0x.
negotiations conclude.
Dems: We got 5x (only hoped for 2)
GOP: Sorry, that was the best we could do. Seems fair.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 14, 2017 01:47 PM (z79tQ)

297 So, the latest from the media is that it's a lie that Loretta Lynch granted the extraordinary visa for the Russian lawyer, because it was the US Attorney's office for Southern New York. Which happened to be Preet fucking Bahara! Who is now working with the Mueller witch hunt. Oh, that's so much better.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at July 14, 2017 01:47 PM (toi7g)

298
I have a brand new 2017 lease car from auto manufacturer transitioning to driver-less. On a recent 1000 mile trip I found at least two major bugs in the programming of the radar system that could have caused huge accidents. One at 70 mph on route 95 going, another at 40 mph during a rain storm on way back.

This may be the last new car I buy. I feel like I'm de-bugging the system for them - without pay - while putting my life at risk.

Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 01:48 PM (EgwCt)

299 for awhile Frisch's name was banned here because she was so psychotic there was a real risk she would come after the bloggers and even commenters.

Wiki says she's on 10 years probation for violating a protection order, which includes monitored medication for bipolar syndrome.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 14, 2017 01:48 PM (oVJmc)

300 Progressivism is the believe that society should be run by an intellectual elite.

--

We tried that once, we called if Feudalism

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 14, 2017 01:48 PM (7ZVPa)

301 I don't want my driverless car to be empathetic, I want it to obay the rules of the road.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (wYseH)


I want my driverless car to obey the rules of the road... when there is a cop around. At the red light, at the stop sign.

Otherwise I want my car to go about 5mph over the speed limit, and gun it through the yellow light.

Posted by: buzzion at July 14, 2017 01:48 PM (cAnNx)

302 I'd say ... not quite 300 comments in ... the notion that only Democrats want to tell you how to live has been put to rest.

The most common justification here is the same one mostly used by the Left ... We're all connected.

I've said it before - I'll say it again. Democrats and Republicans differ on the ends. On the means, not so much.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 14, 2017 01:49 PM (R/01c)

303 Libertarianism is not anarchy. There is still
government. There is still law and order. If you infringe another's
liberty, you pay a consequence. Murder, thievery punishable by the
state. Ferment sugar water in your basement? Who gives a shit? Grow a
plant in your back yard and smoke it, maybe sell some to your friends?
Who gives a shit? Get drunk and high and kill someone in a car wreck?
Going to jail. If you choose to live your life drunk and high there will
also be no state "safety net" to give you a disability check for your
debilitating degenerative joint disease at 22 years old, either.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM (dnWSK)


Most everyone agrees on the basics, "Don't kill, don't steal, etc., etc." The problem is that the world is full of issues that are more complicated than that. Should my neighbor be allowed to let his yard become overgrown, or his backyard filled with trash, even if the result attracts vermin and their predators into the neighborhood? What level of noise is acceptable in a neighborhood? What level constitutes harm to another person? If I screw my neighbor's wife, doesn't that harm him? If so, what recourse does he have? What if I screw his fourteen year old daughter?

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 14, 2017 01:49 PM (fKWf6)

304 You had to mention that bastard Verlander .

Posted by: awkward davies at July 14, 2017 01:49 PM (JsMw3)

305
Quitters never win.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (/tuJf)


I'm happy with the loss. I feel better, breathe better, get wick less, smell better, and I have more disposable income. Everything is life is a tradeoff.

I also think it's fine if someone smokes. Just not in my car or house.

Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at July 14, 2017 01:49 PM (3myMJ)

306 But HOW judgy?

As one of the first Greek doctors said: It is the DOSE that makes the poison.


More than that, ace, I'd say it comes down to why. And that's sort of the point of your entire post here. Why are you judging? What is your motivation?

Jesus said "judge not lest ye be judged" but that doesn't mean "never judge." Other passages by Jesus say clearly we have to make moral judgments and discern, condemn evil etc.

The point is not to judge as if you are better or in order to advance yourself. If your judgment is based on truth and for the other person's betterment, in humility and recognition that you are at best no better... that's a wholly different thing than judging because it makes you feel good, or makes you look good to others, or because you're certain you're the better man/woman/transtesticle.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 01:49 PM (39g3+)

307 " I also want a consistent utility and road system.

Put me down for standardized weights and measures."


A common currency is helpful.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 01:49 PM (LTHVh)

308
280 Quitting smoking wasn't hard. I did it four times. Once for four years.

The final time just took more willpower. I've always made personal freedom my goal. I decided no cigarette was going to control me and that was the end of that.
Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at July 14, 2017 01:45 PM (3myMJ)

------------

I smoke and cigarettes have never prevented me from doing what I want to do. And yes, I enjoy smoking. Always have.

Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2017 01:49 PM (Fmupd)

309 Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind is a must read.

he is trying to push back against the campus Left (and certain wannabes on the Right, like the College Fix / Turning Point USA) these days.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 14, 2017 01:49 PM (GOL7u)

310 Get ready to upchuck ad not only because this links Hotair.

https://tinyurl.com/ydzbegsr

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (Nwg0u)

311 sick less

Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (3myMJ)

312 funny, cause in modern london, 2017, Achmed Al Muhammed Mohammed's family at 3 wives with 6 children each in 5 council homes was a small family.

+++

Goodnight Ahmed
Goodnight Ayisha
Goodnight Mohammed
Goodnight Sayeed
Goodnight Fatima
!BOOM!
GOODNIGHT ALI

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (AKThB)

313 One of my favorite reads you've ever posted, Ace.

Posted by: JB at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (HUANM)

314 There are five children in my family and we're not even Catholic. My youngest sister is twenty years my junior. I tease Dad about being a careless Protestant.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:46 PM (8XRCm)



It used to be fairly common for a woman getting married to have her little sister be the flower girl.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (dEQP3)

315 How about people without kids fund their own SA and Medicare, via a special hipster tax.

Posted by: Jean at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (9TU00)

316 I've said it before - I'll say it again. Democrats and Republicans differ on the ends. On the means, not so much.

***

well, America has past the crossroads. In the 80s, we were debating ideas.

Now, we're debating -at best- nationalism v globalism.

and the GOP is just as gosh darn tootin' to be globalized as the left. Both parties have discovered the chink in democracy...there's so many people in the world. If you don't like the voters, just bring in some new ones.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (AU4SY)

317 >>>Should my neighbor be allowed to let his yard become overgrown, or his backyard filled with trash, even if the result attracts vermin and their predators into the neighborhood? What level of noise is acceptable in a neighborhood? What level constitutes harm to another person? If I screw my neighbor's wife, doesn't that harm him? If so, what recourse does he have? What if I screw his fourteen year old daughter?

Depends, are your shutters one of the four acceptable colors?
-love, your HOA

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (fMidn)

318 Not SA - SS

Posted by: Jean at July 14, 2017 01:51 PM (9TU00)

319
Kinda funny how we have gone in this country to smoking tobacco is terribly awful, but smoking marijuana is a human right.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 14, 2017 01:51 PM (r+sAi)

320 After that, you can taper down your nicotine level gradually until you just go off it for good.

I'm not there yet, but i'm on a lower level (.6) and will soon buy .3 to mix with the .6 to make a .45 or so, and then I'll step down to the .3.

and then after a while i'll do the same process with the 0.0 (no nicotine --just a cutting agent to dilute the .3).



Ace, I did that four years ago. Final step off? Nicotine lozenges & Werther's hard candies.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 01:51 PM (YxyYj)

321 307 " I also want a consistent utility and road system.

Put me down for standardized weights and measures."


A common currency is helpful.

****

I just want a yuuuge, beautiful wall.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:51 PM (AU4SY)

322 Progressivism is the believe that society should be run by an intellectual elite.

We tried that once, we called if Feudalism


And that's exactly where the left is now. They've abandoned equality and liberty except for occasional pandering and side mentions for the sake of appearances. What they want is full on serfdom of the masses with them in power. They want a tribute sent to them every year so they don't have to work, in exchange for governing and protecting people from the bad things like conservatism and Christians. Its exactly feudalism. Exactly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 01:52 PM (39g3+)

323 1) Karma is real so being nice will result in nice stuff for you

Nice guys finish last.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2017 01:52 PM (0mRoj)

324 >>I'm happy with the loss. I feel better, breathe better, get wick less, smell better, and I have more disposable income. Everything is life is a tradeoff.

Yea, I was kidding. I've quit a number of times, it really isn't that hard for me. The trick is you have to really want to quit. Like anything else in life you won't do it well if you are forced to do it.

I fall back off the wagon because the truth is I like smoking. Yes, I know its not great for me but either is sitting here instead of going for a walk.

I'll quit again someday. Maybe even for good. But only if I want to.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 01:52 PM (/tuJf)

325 It is bad enough that the left scolds the rest of us to try to convert us to their style of life and authoritarian philosophy.

But the left doesn't even take the moral high ground of walking the talk!

The members of the Church of Climate Science jet all over the world, live in mansions, ride in limits, drive SUVs, and so on, while scolding the rest of us to live like the Amish.

Remember the feminists' former battle cry about men in power sexually abusing the women who worked for them? That went out the window when Bill Blinton had sex with a young intern (among many others) in the White House. In this case, the behavior was totes okay, because the perp had a "D" after his name.

I could go on ad infinitum.

Probably the only comfort I get from all of this is that most of the left LACK THE COURAGE OF THEIR CONVICTIONS.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at July 14, 2017 01:52 PM (TdMsT)

326 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 14, 2017 01:32 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:39 PM (dEQP3)


I think both of you are overemphasizing the role that higher-order thought controls split-second decisions in rote activities like driving.

Sitting in front of a computer with a cup of coffee in hand and relaxing while answering some questions about what you would do in situation A is a bit different than the cataclysmically stupid shit that people do every day when confronted by the need to act quickly and decisively.

Humans react very badly in lots of situations. That grandmother in the crosswalk already gets hit every day...AND those kids get turned into mush...every day.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 01:52 PM (wYseH)

327
I just want a yuuuge, beautiful wall.



...with pikes of it. So I can place the heads of my enemies on them.

Posted by: Roy at July 14, 2017 01:52 PM (7n4KQ)

328 As I've noted before, I am less concerned about the power of government than I am about it's reach. I want the things that affect me to be decided locally. If I don't like what the majority of my community wants, I need to be able to move to a community more to my liking.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 01:53 PM (LTHVh)

329 Alexis de Toqueville,

Je n'etais que vous rigoler

( I was just kidding)

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:53 PM (8rNrN)

330 There's really only one effective response to this type of shit:

"You're a racist, sexist, bigoted homophobe!"

"Why yes, yes I am a racist, sexist, bigoted homophobe."

Posted by: jbspry at July 14, 2017 01:53 PM (IhKmM)

331 I smoke and cigarettes have never prevented me from doing what I want to do. And yes, I enjoy smoking. Always have.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2017 01:49 PM (Fmupd)

Cool, and as I wrote in a later comment above, I think it's for people who want to smoke to do so.

Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at July 14, 2017 01:54 PM (3myMJ)

332 Libertarianism is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable way to live... for an individual person. It is an utterly unworkable and absurd way for any significant body of people to be governed by. Live and let live is fine for each person. At a certain point, a society has to give a little to gain more, that's the social contract. You give up a little bit of free expression of non-essential rights, in order to gain a big bit of free expression of your essential ones.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 01:54 PM (39g3+)

333 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (dEQP3)

Double or nothing on the final.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 01:54 PM (bwBxJ)

334 >>>
I fall back off the wagon because the truth is I like smoking. Yes, I know its not great for me but either is sitting here instead of going for a walk.

I'll quit again someday. Maybe even for good. But only if I want to.

...

Jack, have I ever mentioned a book called The Easy Way to Quit Smoking?

What can I do to put you in that book today?

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:54 PM (8rNrN)

335 Damn I can't type today.

"I think it's fine for people who want to smoke to do so."

Posted by: Meremortal, 49 at July 14, 2017 01:55 PM (3myMJ)

336 The moral confusion that leads people to equate children and pets is not limited to the left.

There are people here who have said they would rescue their own dog before they would save a stranger's child because the dog is "family" and the kid is just some kid.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season at July 14, 2017 01:55 PM (P8951)

337 >>>Nice guys finish last.

So does an experienced lover
***voice lowers to a husky whisper***
If you know what I mean

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:55 PM (fMidn)

338 It used to be fairly common for a woman getting married to have her little sister be the flower girl.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (dEQP3)
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I've been to a couple weddings in the last few years with that exact scenario.

And the little brothers are the ring bearers.

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 01:55 PM (sBOL1)

339 I like the way Graham Cooke put it: Take a piece of paper and fold it in half. put on one side the things that are wrong with you. Put on the other the things that are right. Which side do you want to read first? Which side has more information?

People don't need to know what they are doing wrong, they know what they are doing wrong. They need to know what the "hope of their calling" is. Show them what is possible in their lives and destiny and they will know what needs to change by implication.

Jesus always demonstrated his authority FIRST before teaching so that the lessons were never abstract or over spiritualized but in the context of real problem solving. Moral people need to get back to that way of demonstrating the power of what they believe.

Posted by: akelm88 at July 14, 2017 01:55 PM (km/D2)

340 How about people without kids fund their own SA and Medicare, via a special hipster tax.
Posted by: Jean at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (9TU00)



How about you pay for your own kid's schooling and medical bills and school meals and day care and all the rest whilst getting your hand out of my damn pocket?

Yeah, see, shit like that right there is when I start thinking that the care I take to not be anti-parent is pointless since reciprocal courtesy will not be shown to me.

Man, I wish someone would write a thoughtful and insightful post about the need to be more actually tolerant of others. That would be an amazing, wonderful thing.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:55 PM (dEQP3)

341
Going from cigarettes to vaping is extremely easy. I'm nearly a year off of cigarettes and recently smoked one. I definitely prefer vaping now.

Nicotine actually has some benefits as far as mental concentration and some studies indicate disease avoidance -- Parkinson's I seem to remember.

I'm in no hurry to give up vaping.

Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 01:55 PM (EgwCt)

342 I'm confused.


Geraghty wrote against virtue signaling?



Really? How...................ironic.

Posted by: dagny at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (wQp4D)

343 And that's exactly where the left is now. They've abandoned equality and liberty except for occasional pandering and side mentions for the sake of appearances. What they want is full on serfdom of the masses with them in power. They want a tribute sent to them every year so they don't have to work, in exchange for governing and protecting people from the bad things like conservatism and Christians. Its exactly feudalism. Exactly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 01:52 PM (39g3+)


I get wanting to be Nobility. I just used to be surprised how many people would really like to be a Serf serving a Benevolent Monarch.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (R/01c)

344 What can I do to put you in that book today?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:54 PM (8rNrN)
------------

Put it on that boat he's waiting to have delivered.

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (sBOL1)

345 >>>Ace, I did that four years ago. Final step off? Nicotine lozenges & Werther's hard candies.

I'll keep those in mind. I've enjoyed the Fruit Burst nicorette too. Maybe when I'm near the end I'll just get the lowest dose of the gum and chew as needed.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (8rNrN)

346 Jack, have I ever mentioned a book called The Easy Way to Quit Smoking?

Alan Carr, rest his soul, was right!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (LTHVh)

347 err Allen Carr.


fucking limey

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (LTHVh)

348 24 Only applies to white people who have engaged in actual family planning and have adjusted their budgets to manage the large family. Does not apply to welfare recipients or any urban centers full of listless, jobless, high school diploma-less leeches.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 14, 2017 12:55 PM (psH+N)

What does "white" have to do with it? I don't want listless leeches of any color cranking out 11 babies. I don't care what color they are.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (P8951)

349 ***ducks down below bar***

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (fMidn)

350 "Imagine if some woman was like..."

I'm like - so she's like - so I am like - then he was like -

"Like" as an active verb of all uses: The telltale sign of an intellectually impaired idiot.

Posted by: jbspry at July 14, 2017 01:57 PM (IhKmM)

351 "Saving the earth apparently requires the voluntary self-extinguishment of the human race."

There is a disturbingly powerful undercurrent of anti-humanism running throughout the Left, albeit most pronounced in the environmentalist fringe. According to them, yes, saving the earth requires the voluntary self-extinguishment of the human race. The Left is not particularly shy about it, either.

If you view humanity as a chancre sore on the lower lip of Mother Gaia, then of course you would advocate abortions and euthanasia and ban the use of insecticides such as DDT that would save the lives of millions.

Of course, of course, of course.

Posted by: troyriser at July 14, 2017 01:57 PM (Fw5cQ)

352 Double or nothing on the final.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 01:54 PM (bwBxJ)



Heh. Fed in three, maybe four.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:57 PM (dEQP3)

353 >>>Put it on that boat he's waiting to have delivered.


Jack, have I ever mentioned how much easier it is to control a boat's ropes with two free hands?

Or, if you're used to doing it with just one hand, have I mentioned the pleasure of controlling a sail's rope while masturbating on to a passing marlin?

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:57 PM (8rNrN)

354
Look, Amanda Marcotte herself has only ten cats, all of whom are refined and civilized-like. All of them have agreed that the tabby, Lucinda Lou, is to be the one and only kitty to munch on Amanda's face when her time comes and a week goes by before someone notices that she's passed on.

Don't You Wish You Were Amanda's Cats?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 14, 2017 01:57 PM (pNxlR)

355 People can have as many kids as they want as long as I'm not paying for any of their shit. I will say that I can think the duggars are sketch as hell tho

Posted by: NCKate at July 14, 2017 01:58 PM (7ydCJ)

356 Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season at July 14, 2017 01:55 PM (P8951)

My dog would save himself and the kid.

Posted by: Timmy at July 14, 2017 01:58 PM (bwBxJ)

357 >>>Or, if you're used to doing it with just one hand, have I mentioned the pleasure of controlling a sail's rope while masturbating on to a passing marlin?

Better than the J Train!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 01:58 PM (fMidn)

358 322 Progressivism is the believe that society should be run by an intellectual elite.

We tried that once, we called if Feudalism

And that's exactly where the left is now. They've abandoned equality and liberty except for occasional pandering and side mentions for the sake of appearances. What they want is full on serfdom of the masses with them in power. They want a tribute sent to them every year so they don't have to work, in exchange for governing and protecting people from the bad things like conservatism and Christians. Its exactly feudalism. Exactly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 01:52 PM (39g3+)



The hilarious aspect to this is that most members of left believe they are "elite" by virtue of their politics. They espouse authoritarianism because they truly believe they will be at the top when the revolution comes.

The FACT is that 99 percent of them would be the first with their backs to the wall.

Reading and understanding world history might enlighten them.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at July 14, 2017 01:58 PM (TdMsT)

359 My brother quit smoking by vaping. yes, its ridiculously twee and trendy but he did it by cutting back the nicotine in the liquid a little bit at a time over months and then finally was done with it. Worth a try.

As for kids: every person who is not insane and leftist, everyone who is a lover of America and truth and what this nation could and should be... has a responsibility to have as many kids as they can properly care for and raise them to be the same.

I failed in this. Its too late for me, my health was always a wreck anyway. But its not too late for others to do right by their nation and their God.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 01:58 PM (39g3+)

360
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (bwBxJ)

195
I'm starting to notice an interesting decline in masculinity,
independence, and rational thought in society since we started the large
scale ingestion of birth control hormones in our society.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 14, 2017 01:24 PM (7ZVPa)



----



I have the same theory about smoking.



Tobacco helps manage stress, changes hormonal chemistry and imrpoves
confidence. When we as America smoked, we tamed and built a continent,
fought and won TWO world wars and built the most awesome society in the
history of the planet.



Then...we quit smoking.



Now look at us.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (8XRCm)

***
I still smoke the occasional cigar - does that count?

Posted by: Publius Redux at July 14, 2017 01:59 PM (Fb9aZ)

361 >>Jack, have I ever mentioned a book called The Easy Way to Quit Smoking?

>>What can I do to put you in that book today?

Yes, I believe you've mentioned a time or 10. Hell, I'm happy for you that it made it easier for you to do what you want.

I know the down side of smoking. I quit a year and a half ago when my doctor told me he wouldn't do my back operation if I smoke because the chance of the bones knitting went down substantially if the patient was using nicotine. Quit that day cold turkey for a year. I figure the bones are good to go or as go as they are ever gonna get.

I do a number of things that I know aren't great for me. I figure I'm sort of a public service at this point in my life. People can point to me and tell their kids, whatever he's doing, don't do it.

You're welcome.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 01:59 PM (/tuJf)

362 Of course the collective is anti-human. The SIZE of the collective doesn't matter and if it's a bit smaller they is more stuff to redistribute "fairly."

Posted by: dagny at July 14, 2017 01:59 PM (wQp4D)

363
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:57 PM (8rNrN)


Not ropes, ace, lines.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 14, 2017 01:59 PM (pNxlR)

364 How about you pay for your own kid's schooling and medical bills and school meals and day care and all the rest whilst getting your hand out of my damn pocket?

As a parent I'm totally in agreement with you.

I *wish* that I could convince everyone that if they could have their money to use to choose where their kids went to school and whatnot, things would be far different than they are. I *wish* I could send my kids to a christian school (that I pay for) and not also be taxed to high heaven for the failing P.O.S. public schools.

Posted by: GMan at July 14, 2017 01:59 PM (sxq57)

365 Amanda Bandicoot in Deathrace 2017!

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 14, 2017 02:00 PM (Nwg0u)

366 355 People can have as many kids as they want as long as I'm not paying for any of their shit. I will say that I can think the duggars are sketch as hell tho

***

yuuuge mistake in west to create welfare system that rewards more than 1 kid.

Amazeballs how conservatives ... what? 50 years ago just let that little thing go.

it's bfd

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 02:00 PM (AU4SY)

367 How about you pay for your own kid's schooling and medical bills and school meals and day care and all the rest whilst getting your hand out of my damn pocket?

Some people actually do this... like me for instance. But I don't think that he was actually talking about you specifically, more of the anti-kid left and general govt funding in society.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 14, 2017 02:01 PM (r+sAi)

368 Yeah, she's a 1.
Posted by: Married Men Everywhere at July 14, 2017 01:33 PM (psH+N)

Phffft! I wouldn't fap it and throw it at her. And I'm half blind!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 14, 2017 02:01 PM (z79tQ)

369 "Like" as an active verb of all uses: The telltale sign of an intellectually impaired idiot.
Posted by: jbspry at July 14, 2017 01:57 PM
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The new word seems to be "so." I swear every millennial I see on television prefaces every. damn. sentence with it, and altogether inappropriately.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 14, 2017 02:01 PM (HiDrR)

370 >>>Alan Carr, rest his soul, was right!

yup. I thought it was going to be total garbage pop-psychology but damnit, it ended my desire to smoke in two days and I've only had the merest desire for a cigarette like three times in three years (and those were all in the first year).

It also gave me insight into how the brain keeps other bad habits alive, by making justifications for it. Bad habits are like parasites in the brain, which can actually cause the brain to justify them/protect them (through hormones).

Seeing a bad habit as a parasite controlling your brain to keep itself alive for its own benefit -- and definitely not yours -- is a very useful metaphor. It's fairly accurate, and it helps to visualize the bad habit as a foe to be smited, Frank Frazetta style.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:01 PM (8rNrN)

371 Jesus said "judge not lest ye be judged" but that doesn't mean "never judge."

They always leave out the second part of the sentence. "for by the same standard ye judge others, ye also shall be judged", or something like that.

Critically, it is important to deal with one's own failings in an area and acknowledge them.

Further Jesus, we are to remove the plank from our own eye - to see better to help our neighbor with what's in his. "I'm okay, you're okay" is not the expressed intent here. Fix yourself, *help others with their problems as well*.

Judgment is deeply important, it just needs not to be a tool for preening and practiced in hypocrisy.

Posted by: Sporkatus at July 14, 2017 02:02 PM (eXSOZ)

372 >>>Teenagers learn to affect the demeanor of a world-weary fifty year old at age 13

That's why we recommend our readers give each other prostate exams!

Posted by: Teen Vogue at July 14, 2017 02:02 PM (2Mfuf)

373 >>Or, if you're used to doing it with just one hand, have I mentioned the pleasure of controlling a sail's rope while masturbating on to a passing marlin?

That's just twisted.

Dolphins and manatees.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:02 PM (/tuJf)

374 I don't think the left even wants revolution any more. I think they just want to take over power everywhere and grind everyone into submission.

The day they can have all the benefits of capitalism without actually having to participate is the day they will celebrate. They want to be the nobility, ruling from the manor, as everyone knuckles their forelock and brings them 30% of the harvest in gratitude for having their betters look out for them.

The biggest benefit of feudalism is that the nobility was virtually without law. They could do pretty much whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted, to whomever they wanted. Nobody else was armed. Nobody else had sufficient food. Nobody else had communication, most couldn't even read.

Its ideal for the leftist dreamer: philosopher kings in their rightful place while the others work to bring them whatever they demand.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 02:02 PM (39g3+)

375 Gibbon was wrong in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. He blamed Christianity, when in reality what killed the empire was the same thing that killed all other empires - the welfare state they created.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 14, 2017 02:02 PM (7ZVPa)

376 >>>Not ropes, ace, lines.

when I jack off on to a marlin, trust me fella, it's *ropes*

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:02 PM (8rNrN)

377 353 >>>Put it on that boat he's waiting to have delivered.


Jack, have I ever mentioned how much easier it is to control a boat's ropes with two free hands?

Or, if you're used to doing it with just one hand, have I mentioned the pleasure of controlling a sail's rope while masturbating on to a passing marlin?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 01:57 PM (8rNrN)

Have we mentioned how much we hate that shit?

Posted by: A Passing Marlin at July 14, 2017 02:03 PM (RD7QR)

378
I quit SKOAL

I quit drinking

I quit playing cards.



I am a dull, vice less boy now.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 02:03 PM (8XRCm)

379 >>>That's just twisted.

Dolphins and manatees.

...

no, *that's* twisted. They have blowholes for crying out loud. I'm not trying to impregnate them.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:03 PM (8rNrN)

380 >>>Fix yourself, *help others with their problems as well*

PUT YOUR OWN OXYGEN MASK ON FIRST!!

Am I the only one paying attention during that?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 02:03 PM (fMidn)

381
I bought a Mark Ten rechargeable vap pen at a gas station. They're everywhere. My yearly cost for my nicotine addiction has gone from over $2,000 a year to about $365 or so.

You can buy a lot of eels and catch a lot of striper with that kind of savings. That is, if striper even bother with the diminutive 'state' of Rhode Island.

Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 02:04 PM (EgwCt)

382 The new word seems to be "so." I swear every
millennial I see on television prefaces every. damn. sentence with it,
and altogether inappropriately.





Posted by: IrishEi at July 14, 2017 02:01 PM (HiDrR)

I first noticed that at the Lois Lerner/IRS hearings. Especially that slimy interim director...can't remember his name.

Posted by: Tami at July 14, 2017 02:04 PM (Enq6K)

383 It seems to me that masturbating onto a passing marlin while on a moving vessel would be damn near impossible.

You've got two objects on different trajectories and speeds. The ballistics of the spooge. And timing it all.

Man.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 14, 2017 02:04 PM (R/01c)

384 375 Gibbon was wrong in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. He blamed Christianity, when in reality what killed the empire was the same thing that killed all other empires - the welfare state they created.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 14, 2017 02:02 PM (7ZVPa)

Eh. I'm thinking it had more to do with fragmented rule by strongmen back by armies, inviting in barbarians, and general economic and cultural mismanagement.

Posted by: A Passing Marlin at July 14, 2017 02:04 PM (RD7QR)

385 Piscene sockoff.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 14, 2017 02:04 PM (RD7QR)

386 Speaking of negotiation, my dad just called about where we are going to dinner tonight.

You would think this was solving the Middle East. It ended with me going I DON'T CARE JUST ONE OF YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT I DON'T CARE AND IF YOU ASK ME I'M GOING TO SAY THAI AND YOU HATE THAT OMG JUST. PICK. SOMETHING. But not that.

(We're going to Wayback Burgers. Which was the first suggestion. Because of course it was.)

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 02:04 PM (dEQP3)

387 yuuuge mistake in west to create welfare system that rewards more than 1 kid.

Amazeballs how conservatives ... what? 50 years ago just let that little thing go.


It was out of compassion. Caring for the little ones, those kids who starve because daddy blew all their money on the numbers, or dice, or booze, or making it rain at the club, or drugs or whatever. People really do care about children, and the poor, and the needy. We're just going about it all wrong, because we're subsidizing and encouraging exactly what prompted the concern to begin with.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 02:05 PM (39g3+)

388 Jesus said "judge not lest ye be judged" but that doesn't mean "never judge."

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They never finish the story...ever.

Jesus indeed say "he who is without sin may cast the first stone".

He also turned to her and said..."Go.... and sin no more".

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 02:05 PM (8XRCm)

389 Would that be a European marlin, or an African marlin?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 14, 2017 02:05 PM (7ZVPa)

390 I don't think the left even wants revolution any more. I think they just want to take over power everywhere and grind everyone into submission.

The day they can have all the benefits of capitalism without actually having to participate is the day they will celebrate. They want to be the nobility, ruling from the manor, as everyone knuckles their forelock and brings them 30% of the harvest in gratitude for having their betters look out for them.


What they don't realize, it the them being the "betters", had to go to war once in a while to protect the knaves.

THAT was part of the deal. Even "the king" swung a sword.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 02:05 PM (YxyYj)

391 >>no, *that's* twisted. They have blowholes for crying out loud. I'm not trying to impregnate them.

Ah, hello? Male manatees and dolphins.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:05 PM (/tuJf)

392 Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season and better not sell out a promising future to "win now"at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (P8951)

fify

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 14, 2017 02:05 PM (z79tQ)

393 Not ropes, ace, lines.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 14, 2017 01:59 PM (pNxlR)

Well, actually...sheets.

The lines that directly control sails are called "sheets."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 02:05 PM (wYseH)

394
376 >>>Not ropes, ace, lines.

when I jack off on to a marlin, trust me fella, it's *ropes*
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:02 PM (8rNrN)


Today's winner in the "Why Did Marlin Perkins Abandon Hosting Mutual of Omaha's 'Wild Kingdom' Television Series Sweepstakes"!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 14, 2017 02:06 PM (pNxlR)

395 >>> One of my favorite reads you've ever posted, Ace.

thanks. Make sure you read geraghty's piece, it's very good.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:06 PM (8rNrN)

396 The ironic bit about the judgy-judgmental lefties is their statments concerning religion. My militant feminist vegan cousin who has two baster babies because men are icky thinks that I belong to some sort of nasty cult called the Roman Catholic Church, and thinks that she needs to be protected from that Church because, well, it might tell her that her choices are not so good for her soul.

And yet, she is great at telling me that eating meat and being married (to a MAN, no less) and being told what to do by a man or a church is just the worst thing ever, do you hear me! ever!

So, a Church to which I belong to voluntarily and by my free choice is somehow oppressing her, when she has no connection to said Church. I once asked her what the Catholic Church had ever forced her to do, and her response was that the Church is powerful and might lobby the government to force things on her.

Huh?

So, there you have it. Everyone who is good and kind must be just like her and make all of her choices, while everyone who chooses something else must be evil. Mmmmm kay?

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 14, 2017 02:06 PM (NXsWM)

397 376 >>>Not ropes, ace, lines.

when I jack off on to a marlin, trust me fella, it's *ropes*
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:02 PM (8rNrN)

I'm hoping a female marlin. I wouldn't want it to be weird.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 02:06 PM (bwBxJ)

398 The pets as kids thing has always rubbed me wrong, pets are not children no matter how much they are loved. Pets are pets we owe them a good life shelter and food but they are not children. Pets and animals in general fall lower on the totem pole of worth that any human.

Posted by: USNtakim at July 14, 2017 02:06 PM (zZWkn)

399 Tolerance my Aunt Sally. This is where I start to be convinced that assisted suicide for people who don't believe in existential truths might be a worthwhile idea

Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2017 02:06 PM (TE03o)

400 >>>Ah, hello? Male manatees and dolphins.

you want to cum inside a MALE manatee's blowhole just because you can't knock it up?


Interesting. Interesting.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:06 PM (8rNrN)

401 "Well, I'm not really fluent in these matters, but my understanding is,
at least with respect to Christianity, that accepting Jesus' gift
awakens within the receiver an internal desire to do good."

You are more fluent than you realize, ace.

Posted by: Coolpapa at July 14, 2017 02:07 PM (/gQZV)

402 >>>It seems to me that masturbating onto a passing marlin while on a moving vessel would be damn near impossible.

Put a mackerel in your ass. Trust me on this.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 02:07 PM (fMidn)

403 you want to cum inside a MALE manatee's blowhole just because you can't knock it up?


It's called a "blowhole" for a reason.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 14, 2017 02:07 PM (Hk/NM)

404
Or, if you're used to doing it with just one hand, have I mentioned the pleasure of controlling a sail's rope while masturbating on to a passing marlin?


One hand for the ship and one hand for yourself

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 14, 2017 02:08 PM (lKyWE)

405 *flamethrows JackStraw*

Vaping is the only thing that helped my brother quit smoking. I view it as a miracle. If you want to see me go from zero to stabby at the speed of light, bring up but but but we must ban vaping because it *looks* like smoking and The Children.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 02:08 PM (dEQP3)

406
Male manatees


Just imagine the gender identity confusion those guys experienced at being mistaken for being "mermaids"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 14, 2017 02:08 PM (pNxlR)

407 I'm sorry I ever mentioned that boat.

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 02:08 PM (sBOL1)

408 388 Jesus said "judge not lest ye be judged" but that doesn't mean "never judge."

------

They never finish the story...ever.

Jesus indeed say "he who is without sin may cast the first stone".

He also turned to her and said..."Go.... and sin no more".
Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 02:05 PM (8XRCm)

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The way it was explained to me a long time ago is that we can judge an individuals actions, not his heart.

We have to judge actions. There would be be no societal order if we didn't.

Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2017 02:08 PM (Fmupd)

409 >>you want to cum inside a MALE manatee's blowhole just because you can't knock it up?


>>Interesting. Interesting.


Proper Planning Prevents Pregnant Porpoise.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:09 PM (/tuJf)

410 375 Gibbon was wrong in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. He blamed Christianity, when in reality what killed the empire was the same thing that killed all other empires - the welfare state they created.


Probably had more to do with constantly killing each other over who would be Caesar, plus the rise of increasingly sophisticated enemies, plus some really bad military and political decisions at critical junctures. Also, they didn't really have a welfare state outside of the City of Rome itself, which wasn't a terribly important place for the last couple hundred years prior to the fall of the Western Empire.

But, hey, why let facts and history get in the way of a good "this is why the Roman Empire fell" rant?

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 14, 2017 02:09 PM (bZ7mE)

411 Wait wait wait!!
My thinking on this has been all wrong!

Is there a gorilla on the boat?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 02:09 PM (fMidn)

412 409 >>you want to cum inside a MALE manatee's blowhole just because you can't knock it up?


>>Interesting. Interesting.


Proper Planning Prevents Pregnant Porpoise.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:09 PM (/tuJf)

And with that, the thread has drawn to a close.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 14, 2017 02:09 PM (RD7QR)

413 Proper Planning Prevents Pregnant Porpoise.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:09 PM (/tuJf)

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But... what if you want to get pregnant on porpoise??

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 02:09 PM (8XRCm)

414 you want to cum inside a MALE manatee's blowhole just because you can't knock it up?


Interesting. Interesting.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:06 PM (8rNrN)


Manatees don't have blowholes.

Also, ALSO, the Horde is getting pervy and including manatees in it and I had nothing to do with it. Even I find this surprising.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 02:10 PM (dEQP3)

415 You might believe a thinking person would conclude what is best for the planet is what sustains its existence. What better way to qualify that truth then to let them have that conversation with the creator. You know, while we are all down here breathing and creating more life.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2017 02:10 PM (TE03o)

416 >>>I know the down side of smoking. I quit a year and a half ago when my doctor told me he wouldn't do my back operation if I smoke because the chance of the bones knitting went down substantially if the patient was using nicotine. Quit that day cold turkey for a year. I figure the bones are good to go or as go as they are ever gonna get.

Okay, but, as mentioned, the book succeeds at changing your mindset from "giving up this good thing smoking" to "choosing this better thing of nonsmoking."

It may sound semantic, but it's not. Seriously. I know this sounds like pop-psy nonsense but mindset is everything.

Good Lord, the book takes three hours to read and costs nine bucks.

Email me your address and I'll send you the thing.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:10 PM (8rNrN)

417 401 "Well, I'm not really fluent in these matters, but my understanding is,
at least with respect to Christianity, that accepting Jesus' gift
awakens within the receiver an internal desire to do good."

You are more fluent than you realize, ace.
Posted by: Coolpapa at July 14, 2017 02:07 PM (/gQZV)

"Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?" James 2:20

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 14, 2017 02:10 PM (NXsWM)

418 Here come da Judge.


Okay old people . Who said this.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (bwBxJ)

419 Flip Wilson

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (sBOL1)

420 I first noticed that at the Lois Lerner/IRS hearings. Especially that slimy interim director...can't remember his name.
Posted by: Tami at July 14, 2017 02:04 PM
~~~~~

I'm wondering if some Speech classes have recently begun suggesting using "so" as a substitute for "uh" or "um" because it has become so prevalent. Weird. Also annoying and stupid.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (HiDrR)

421 The pets as kids thing has always rubbed me wrong, pets are not children no matter how much they are loved. Pets are pets we owe them a good life shelter and food but they are not children. Pets and animals in general fall lower on the totem pole of worth that any human.



Sorry.
I'm saving my dog and turning my back on a child molester. And no amount of teeth nashing and garment rending will change my mind.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (YxyYj)

422 What they don't realize, it the them being the "betters", had to go to war once in a while to protect the knaves.

And they had to protect the serfs from bandits, bring them justice, help them with emergencies, kill off wolves and other predators that were killing crops and people, etc.

But the left views this noblesse oblige as being "keeping social justice" and "preventing evil stuff like Christianity from being expressed publicly" etc. They protect your soul you see, because in their utopia, there are no threats to the body.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (39g3+)

423 >>>Manatees don't have blowholes.


even tho I don't know for sure, I'm going to say you're wrong, and also An Idiot.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (8rNrN)

424 >>Email me your address and I'll send you the thing.


Or you could bring it with you when you head up here. I'll take you out to see the dolphins and stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (/tuJf)

425 Posted by: tcn in AK at July 14, 2017 02:06 PM (NXsWM)

What I have found is that people will ALWAYS put forth their characteristics, onto others.

Because they think they themselves are normal and good, therefore everyone else must be like them.

Thus, Liars will always accuse other of telling lies... Sinners will always accuse others of sinning... Cheaters will be LOOKING for others cheating... so they can validate themselves...

Liberals do the same... they are the ones who categorize by Race, and Sex, yet call everyone else Racist and Sexist.

Your friend is just following this pattern.... she is Judgemental herself... she hectors others who are unlike her, and thus must accuse the Church of the same behavior.... so she is normal...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (NgKpN)

426 "It's hard to think about the courage of the soldiers on the Thalys train without thinking a little bit less of oneself."

Maybe for you.

Posted by: Guy who has had to step up at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (cOANc)

427
Gibbon was wrong in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. He blamed Christianity, when in reality what killed the empire was the same thing that killed all other empires - the welfare state they created.


I think the Russians had something to do with it.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (lKyWE)

428 Okay old people . Who said this.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (bwBxJ)

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Flip WIlson.

And if youre REALLY old..... Pigmeat.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (8XRCm)

429 Actually, I'm told often that my poops are lovely and well-formed.

Well, except for a few commentators here, of course.

Posted by: Shep at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (DMUuz)

430
407 I'm sorry I ever mentioned that boat.

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 02:08 PM (sBOL1)


Any regrets related to cookbookin', while you're at it?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (pNxlR)

431 "Happiness is a warm manatee."

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (PFy0L)

432 418 Here come da Judge.


Okay old people . Who said this.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (bwBxJ)

Flip Wilson. Somebody with a wicked sense of humor gave me a Geraldine doll with a string; pull the string and the doll said "The devil made me do it!" and "Here come the judge." We were more easily entertained back then.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (RD7QR)

433 "BTW: It has long occurred to me that the best way to encourage
moral behavior is to praise moral behavior, not to scold immoral
behavior."

This is an extremely important thought, and not just because it encourages moral behavior in others - this is one of the most effective ways to encourage moral behavior in ourselves. There's a well known proverb "As a man thinks in his heart, so he is", but this has great truth outside of the religious realm - the things you think about, the things you run over in your mind, those are the things you will do, especially when a situation catches you by surprise.

Why does an Army always put so much focus on drills and practice? Because when you are under pressure men and women will follow the patterns they have carefully trained themselves to follow, without having to figure out things from scratch. If you praise moral behavior and focus your mind on the moral behavior in others, you are quite likely to exhibit that behavior yourself when you're in a situation that calls for judgment,

If all you ever think about is how much you hate other people and carefully pour over and study all the wicked, awful things your enemies do day after day - guess what you're gonna do as soon as you get the chance. We humans are built that way, we do the things we know the best. So we gotta be careful about what we let ourselves get focused on.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (OmOvC)

434 Or you could bring it with you when you head up here. I'll take you out to see the dolphins and stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (/tuJf)


IT'S A TRAP!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tami at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (Enq6K)

435 Any regrets related to cookbookin', while you're at it?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (pNxlR)
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Only a few.

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (sBOL1)

436 Flip Wilson

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (sBOL1)

Wow...you ARE old.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (wYseH)

437 I know the down side of smoking. I quit a year and a half ago when my
doctor told me he wouldn't do my back operation if I smoke because the
chance of the bones knitting went down substantially if the patient was
using nicotine. Quit that day cold turkey for a year. I figure the bones
are good to go or as go as they are ever gonna get.
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And with my age group, you also have to be within the BMI for knee, hip, or any joint surgery now. Doesn't matter if it was an accident or wear and tear: if you do not fit the citeria, you can't get it.

For some reason, we have allowed the mob to decide our own health care.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (MIKMs)

438 >>>I'll take you out to see the dolphins and stuff.

So much is packed into those two little words at the end, apparently.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (fMidn)

439 Here come da Judge.


Okay old people . Who said this.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (bwBxJ)

419 Flip Wilson
Posted by: bluebell



Aka, Geraldine.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (YxyYj)

440 Sammy Davis, Jr.

Posted by: Furious George at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (j+dfT)

441 Jackstraw wants to see ace's junk?

Posted by: NCKate at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (7ydCJ)

442 But Ace, you fail to accept that we could make this a better world--we could reduce the collective carbon foot print of man--simply by ridding it of all the Jill Fillippo's, Amanda Marcotte's, Tom Friedman's, and Michael Moore's of the earth. Collectively, there are millions of these folks. If they were suddenly disappeared...uh...I mean "If they were suddenly to disappear"...think how much rainforest we could preserve and how much CO2 could be not....created...



Posted by: Kasper Hauser at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (HqpV0)

443 From the OP:
Enforced morality is not actually morality; it is no more than an amoral rational scheme to avoid punishment.

This reminds me of my time as a contractor in Saudi Arabia. An example:

Saudis are horrific drivers. To actually enforce common traffic laws, like "don't drive on sidewalks or median strips", they ended up building 12 inch tall curbs. so the shebab can't drive over them at speed.

There are a whole raft of things done there to prevent "temptation" of the common folk.

Posted by: Iron Mike GOlf at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (di1hb)

444
434 Or you could bring it with you when you head up here. I'll take you out to see the dolphins and stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (/tuJf)


IT'S A TRAP!!!!!!!


Posted by: Tami at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (Enq6K)



Sounds like Jackstraw is a dolphin rape enabler.

Posted by: buzzion at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (cAnNx)

445 Also, they didn't really have a welfare state outside of the City of Rome itself

Look up the term "bread and circuses" and its historical origin some time. The people who were the richest and most powerful got into power by handing out goodies to people. There was a regular grain ration given to all Romans in the city. Food was distributed to the poorer people as a way to gain power and support by dictator after dictator seeking power.

Mostly what destroyed Rome was that it was utterly unsustainable. They were a city state that through superior management and feats of arms took over half the world and ran it on slaves that outnumbered free people like 3:1. It couldn't keep going, no matter what.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (39g3+)

446 The way it was explained to me a long time ago is that we can judge an individuals actions, not his heart.

We have to judge actions. There would be be no societal order if we didn't.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2017 02:08 PM (Fmupd)

There is a huge difference between telling someone they are going to hell and telling someone that they are making choices that are harmful. Discernment is a bit different than judging someone. Jesus was not referring to moral choices, but to condeming someone. There is a huge gulf between the two.

Otherwise, Jesus is nothing more than a smelly hippy wandering around telling everyone to don't worry, be happy.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (NXsWM)

447 okay manatees appear (APPEAR) to not have blowholes and seem (SEEM!) to breathe through their nostrils

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE26-HiHhrg

you're still An Idiot for knowing useless information that no educated person such as myself would bother knowing and for making me appear (APPEAR!) wrong.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (8rNrN)

448 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (39g3+)

Yep.... and the basis of the whole system was a Knight having enough people working for him to support his Arms, and a REALLY expensive Warhorse...

So he COULD protect the people who worked for him...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (NgKpN)

449 Wow...you ARE old.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (wYseH)
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Get off my lawn, you whippersnapper.

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (sBOL1)

450 I honestly believe there's a point at which dialogue with people who can't accept fundamental truths is pointless. That's when violence begins, which is a reasonable response to unreasoned psychological aggression.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (TE03o)

451 even tho I don't know for sure, I'm going to say you're wrong, and also An Idiot.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (8rNrN)



Manatees have nostrils. Tiny nostrils at that.

http://bit.ly/2tTXKz6

I mean, yes, I am less right than I care to be on frequent occasions and my Idiocy is well established but I know a lot about manatees because I love manatees. Not sexually like you deviants tho.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (dEQP3)

452 Wow...you ARE old.


She's not 29? What then, 30?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (Hk/NM)

453 But what if our dumps really are luxurious artistic masterworks redolent of rose hips and Norwegian spruce?

Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (oZ6kz)

454 Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (8XRCm)

Had to look it up. Seems they were around about the same time. Interesting.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (bwBxJ)

455 What a vile cunt Amanda Marcotte is.Sadly,she is the rule among Left wing women,not the exception.

Posted by: steevy at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (rmVvL)

456 >>>we gotta be careful about what we let ourselves get focused on

***brief moment of introspection***

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 02:16 PM (fMidn)

457 Saudis are horrific drivers. To actually enforce common traffic laws, like "don't drive on sidewalks or median strips", they ended up building 12 inch tall curbs. so the shebab can't drive over them at speed.

Russel Peters has a hilarious bit on Arabic culture and men. They refuse to admit they are wrong or don't know something. "Do you know how to drive?" "Of course I do!" "OK here's your new gold plated Bugatti Veyron. There's just enough room for your pet cheetah."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 02:16 PM (39g3+)

458 She's not 29? What then, 30?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (Hk/NM)
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I'm 29 and one week.

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 02:16 PM (sBOL1)

459 >>okay manatees appear (APPEAR) to not have blowholes and seem (SEEM!) to breathe through their nostrils

They also drink fresh water. This is a good tip when you are out hunting for a manatee, bring a hose.

No, the other hose.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:16 PM (/tuJf)

460
As far as vaping... Giving up smoking completely, cold turkey is like going to a bar, and the bartender refuses you service, women throw drinks in your face, and you have to drop a duce and the bathroom door is bolted shut.

Vaping is like going into the same bar, given an on-the-house drink, and turning to see a redhead, blonde, and brunette, equally attractive asking for your phone number.

It's just that simple.

Posted by: Category Five Hurricane at July 14, 2017 02:16 PM (EgwCt)

461 Sounds like Jackstraw is a dolphin rape enabler.

Posted by: buzzion at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (cAnNx)

The bridge of his boat is a converted windowless white van.

Posted by: Tami at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM (Enq6K)

462 Why did I read the title and immediately start to think of the "Hate Has No Home Here" sign-owners in my locality?

Oh, probably because they're (almost uniformly) angry, bitter, smarmy, snobbish, self-important, self-unaware, religion-without-god moralistic, judgy, narcissistic virtue-signalers. That's why.

Posted by: DocJ at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM (NYS7S)

463 >>> Or you could bring it with you when you head up here. I'll take you out to see the dolphins and stuff.

i'd like that except for the "and stuff."

What I'd really like (seriously) if if you treated me as a trainee and bossed me to do the various things on a ship. It's an area I have know knowledge about but always want to learn.

And I'm pretty sure one learns quicker and deeper when one is under stress and having to do things in the moment.

FYI, apropos of nothing, but is your ship insured?

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM (8rNrN)

464 444
434 Or you could bring it with you when you head up here. I'll take you out to see the dolphins and stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:12 PM (/tuJf)


IT'S A TRAP!!!!!!!


Posted by: Tami at July 14, 2017 02:13 PM (Enq6K)



Sounds like Jackstraw is a dolphin rape enabler.
Posted by: buzzion at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (cAnNx)

Eeeee...eeee.eeeeeeeeeee..... (translates to... yup... he is my procurer....)

Posted by: Flipper at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM (NgKpN)

465 you're still An Idiot for knowing useless information that no educated person such as myself would bother knowing and for making me appear (APPEAR!) wrong.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (8rNrN)



This is fair.

Posted by: alexthechick - happy happy manatees at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM (dEQP3)

466 Actually, I'm told often that my poops are lovely and well-formed.

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Insert old joke about why poops are tapered ----> HERE

Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM (8XRCm)

467 I mean, yes, I am less right than I care to be on frequent occasions and my Idiocy is well established but I know a lot about manatees because I love manatees. Not sexually like you deviants tho.



Manatees are even gentler sea cows than their land based cousins.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM (YxyYj)

468 "I mean, yes, I am less right than I care to be on frequent occasions and my Idiocy is well established but I know a lot about manatees because I love manatees. Not sexually like you deviants thO"

Says the person probably not wearing any knickers.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2017 02:18 PM (TE03o)

469 Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2017 01:28 PM (8XRCm)

How did western civilization ever manage before the English brought tobacco back from the New World?

The ancient Romans were pretty kick ass. They didn't fire up a Marlboro before going out to conquer Gaul.


I think the birth control pill/ too much estrogen in the water is worrisome. I don't think tobacco has much to do with anything except lung cancer and other diseases. If it had an effect on t -levels, all those WWII era women who smoked would have become more masculine and would have had fertility problems. Clearly they didn't.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season at July 14, 2017 02:18 PM (P8951)

470 Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:14 PM (8rNrN)

I agree . It's only been alleged to my knowledge that they use nostrils to breath.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 02:18 PM (bwBxJ)

471 "Tolerance" means just what it says.
I tolerate your difference. I don't have to like it.
When "tolerance" becomes confused with "must celebrate" you have a problem.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 14, 2017 02:18 PM (QtQaN)

472 Just don't think about the implication, ace!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 02:19 PM (fMidn)

473 Actually, I'm told often that my poops are lovely and well-formed.

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Insert old joke about why poops are tapered ----> HERE
Posted by: fixerupper



So your asshole doesn't slam shut.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 02:19 PM (YxyYj)

474 It has long occurred to me that the best way to encourage moral behavior
is to praise moral behavior, not to scold immoral behavior.


Nobody knows what you're for only what you're against
When you judge the wounded
Why don't we put down our signs, cross over the lines
And love like You did

(Jesus, Friend of Sinners - Casting Crowns)

Posted by: DocJ at July 14, 2017 02:19 PM (NYS7S)

475 458 She's not 29? What then, 30?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (Hk/NM)
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I'm 29 and one week.

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 02:16 PM (sBOL1)

I'm 29.... again.... on my Second Lap! (actually true... LOL)

Posted by: Don Q. at July 14, 2017 02:19 PM (NgKpN)

476 >>What I'd really like (seriously) if if you treated me as a trainee and bossed me to do the various things on a ship. It's an area I have know knowledge about but always want to learn.

I can do that.

>>FYI, apropos of nothing, but is your ship insured?

Aye. Never can tell what might happen at sea.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:19 PM (/tuJf)

477 463 >>> Or you could bring it with you when you head up here. I'll take you out to see the dolphins and stuff.

i'd like that except for the "and stuff."

What I'd really like (seriously) if if you treated me as a trainee and bossed me to do the various things on a ship. It's an area I have know knowledge about but always want to learn.

And I'm pretty sure one learns quicker and deeper when one is under stress and having to do things in the moment.

FYI, apropos of nothing, but is your ship insured?

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM (8rNrN)

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You'll learn how to scrape barnacles and you'll like it.

Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2017 02:20 PM (Fmupd)

478 And if youre REALLY old..... Pigmeat.
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Aaaaand, I only knew that one because I saw a couple of eps of Rowan and Martin LaughIn. Yeah, he was da judge.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 14, 2017 02:20 PM (MIKMs)

479 455 What a vile cunt Amanda Marcotte is.Sadly,she is the rule among Left wing women,not the exception.
Posted by: steevy at July 14, 2017 02:15 PM (rmVvL)


1. Babies limit my freedom
2. Life is about me doing whatever I want when I want to.
3. Therefor babies are merely an obstacle to be surmounted or avoided.

Actually, a feminist probably would have said "fetus".

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 14, 2017 02:20 PM (Xuv2G)

480 439 Here come da Judge.


Okay old people . Who said this.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 02:11 PM (bwBxJ)

Yankee fans when No.99 steps up to the plate.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season at July 14, 2017 02:20 PM (P8951)

481 Why does an Army always put so much focus on drills and practice? Because when you are under pressure men and women will follow the patterns they have carefully trained themselves to follow, without having to figure out things from scratch.

This is what the hippie could not grasp: we do these things because its best as a society to do so, even if you cannot understand why. It doesn't matter if you know or understand it, you just trust people who have been there, done that and are old enough to know the difference. WW2 vets came back knowing the difference between godawful anarchy or evil, and order and civilization. They had rules and structures because they knew the difference.

A lot of what makes a culture work is going through the motions, continuing behavior even when you don't know why or can't see the benefit. By doing so, you learn patterns that you carry out when it does matter and you can see the difference. It carries you through the bad times, as well as the good.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 02:20 PM (39g3+)

482 Look up the term "bread and circuses" and its historical origin some time. The people who were the richest and most powerful got into power by handing out goodies to people. There was a regular grain ration given to all Romans in the city. Food was distributed to the poorer people as a way to gain power and support by dictator after dictator seeking power.


I'm quite aware of the origin of the phrase. I'm also quite aware that handing out free bread in Rome predated fall of the Roman Empire by around 600 years and in fact predated the formation of the Roman Empire, which makes attributing the decline and fall of this empire to the practice somewhat, ah, problematic.

Also, said practice was limited to the capitol itself and was not present in 99.99 percent of the rest of the Empire, as I noted previously.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 14, 2017 02:20 PM (bZ7mE)

483 Today's my 29th birthday. Don't like telling people because it's Bastille Day. Once I found that out, I used to tell people I was born 7/4.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 14, 2017 02:21 PM (HiDrR)

484 "And I'm pretty sure one learns quicker and deeper when one is under stress and having to do things in the moment"

Let me know when you want to visit AFG. We can prove that theory to be correct.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2017 02:21 PM (TE03o)

485 >>>Aye. Never can tell what might happen at sea.


this is starting to get #Triggering

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:21 PM (8rNrN)

486 Manatees are even gentler sea cows than their land based cousins.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM (YxyYj)


Manatees have nigh to the perfect life. They swim, they eat, they play, they nap. Their only natural predator is the speed boat.

Apparently, manatee must taste good because up through the early 1920's or so there were so many manatees in FL that you could walk across their backs to get to the other side of rivers. That whole not having any defenses thingy sucked when humans were all hey this thing is ginormous and tastes okay and can't fight back at all and we can sell the parts we don't eat.

And that's when the tragedy of the commons took hold.

Posted by: alexthechick - happy happy manatees at July 14, 2017 02:21 PM (dEQP3)

487 364
How about you pay for your own kid's schooling and medical bills and
school meals and day care and all the rest whilst getting your hand out
of my damn pocket?



As a parent I'm totally in agreement with you.



I *wish* that I could convince everyone that if they could have
their money to use to choose where their kids went to school and
whatnot, things would be far different than they are. I *wish* I could
send my kids to a christian school (that I pay for) and not also be
taxed to high heaven for the failing P.O.S. public schools.

Posted by: GMan at July 14, 2017 01:59 PM (sxq57)

***
I posted on this yesterday regarding NY's recent "free college tuition" for "everyone" and by everyone they mean only families making under $100k (so a two earner household that's under $50k each) and by free they mean a scholarship (you see the university doesn't cut what it charges - TAXES pay for it) which acts to hold out opf pocket to the student tuition at State colleges and universities to about $57k.for the four years. As I pointed out to my kids - what this "free" tuition for "all" REALLY means is: I get to pay full price for my two kids to go to university AND I have to pay for some stranger's kid as well through my taxes.
Well . . f*ck you very much.
Let me tell ya - I really am thinking that at some point the makers, doers and payors - who are consistently being punished for being self reliant and taking care of themselves, are going to have to start open rebellion, with force of arms, against this stuff - I mean - at the risk of getting banned (mea culpa Ace) - this really is "no taxation without representation " 1776 level sh*t level stuff

Posted by: Publius Redux at July 14, 2017 02:22 PM (Fb9aZ)

488 392 Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season and better not sell out a promising future to "win now"at July 14, 2017 01:56 PM (P8951)

fify
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 14, 2017 02:05 PM (z79tQ)

You're absolutely correct.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season at July 14, 2017 02:22 PM (P8951)

489 >>this is starting to get #Triggering

I'm a traditionalist, the old ways are often the best.

Rum, sodomy and the lash.

But also positive reinforcement. There will be treats.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:23 PM (/tuJf)

490 FYI, apropos of nothing, but is your ship insured?




Is that code? That sounds like code.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2017 02:23 PM (YxyYj)

491 Rome fell when they allowed unlimited immigration. They were no longer Roman.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 14, 2017 02:23 PM (bwBxJ)

492 In vies of the recent CDC advisory to make sure the walrus meat you consume is cooked to at least 160 degrees F., until the CDC makes a determination concerning manatee meat, The Horde is advised to cook it to well done, as well.

Posted by: Moron News YOU can use! at July 14, 2017 02:23 PM (DMUuz)

493 >>>WW2 vets came back knowing the difference between godawful anarchy or evil, and order and civilization. They had rules and structures because they knew the difference.

Little bit broad of a brush here, and glosses over the rise of MCs and Hollister post-WW2.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2017 02:24 PM (fMidn)

494 That's been my contention forever, I don't give a rat's ass that you're so stupid that you make poor life choices; just don't make me pay for your stupidity.

Posted by: Strobe at July 14, 2017 02:24 PM (gbWkA)

495 Oh, and the ratio of free men to slaves was 3:1 in favor of the free men, not the slaves.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 14, 2017 02:24 PM (bZ7mE)

496 Rum, sodomy and the lash.

But also positive reinforcement. There will be treats.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:23 PM (/tuJf)
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I'm thinking the rest of us need to bow out of this conversation and leave it to ace and JackStraw.

Posted by: bluebell at July 14, 2017 02:24 PM (sBOL1)

497 NOOD.

Posted by: Lord Chancellor johnd01, Cheif Covfefe at July 14, 2017 02:24 PM (ukNFU)

498 Yeah, I'm thinking some of these activities weren't in the boats brochure.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2017 02:25 PM (TE03o)

499 Oh, and the ratio of free men to slaves was 3:1 in favor of the free men, not the slaves.

In the broader empire, sure, but in Rome no. Rome didn't fall because of problems in a distant area of Gaul. It fell because of what happened in Rome its self.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 02:26 PM (39g3+)

500 FYI, apropos of nothing, but is your ship insured?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2017 02:17 PM


No, but it's poop deck is lovely and well-formed.

Posted by: Cap'n Ahab at July 14, 2017 02:26 PM (DMUuz)

501 "453
But what if our dumps really are luxurious artistic masterworks redolent of rose hips and Norwegian spruce?"

I must confess to a secret Sin of the Soul, one I fight against even though the desire still lurks somewhere in my black heart. Sometimes, in a public restroom (especially a really nice one) I'm sorely tempted not to flush just so others can come in and appreciate the one of a kind, massive, colossal wonder I've deposited for their viewing pleasure. I know, that lets me know that the Devil really does exist, and he rents a small condo in my heart.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2017 02:28 PM (OmOvC)

502 489 >>this is starting to get #Triggering

I'm a traditionalist, the old ways are often the best.

Rum, sodomy and the lash.

But also positive reinforcement. There will be treats.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:23 PM (/tuJf)

So which part of "Rum, sodomy, and the lash" constitutes the treat?

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 14, 2017 02:28 PM (RD7QR)

503 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2017 02:20 PM (39g3+)

Tradition and Ceremony in the military go deeper.

When the shit hits the fan, you are not thinking about your nation.... not even your family... because they are not there.

You are thinking about your buddy Joe over there who is getting shot at. You are thinking about your friends... you are thinking about your unit...

AND, you are thinking about how you all are so kick ass... so Different from your enemy, that they stand no chance.

Ceremony and Tradition sets you apart as a GROUP. It instills a group identity... one which will help support you in the shit... because you have pride in who, and what, you are... Your Unit, your branch, your Nation....

Everyone who has ever belonged to a Motorcycle club knows this... or a gang... its the same psychology, taken to an institutional level...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 14, 2017 02:28 PM (NgKpN)

504 491 Rome fell when they allowed unlimited immigration. They were no longer Roman.


They never allowed unlimited immigration, and "Roman" meant a political and cultural identity - mostly among the upper classes - not an ethnic one. Where the heck do y'all come up with this crap?

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 14, 2017 02:28 PM (bZ7mE)

505 The moral-grandstanding and scolding is one thing. But what comes next is the criminalization of disagreement , mandatory compliance and tax-payer funding.


Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 14, 2017 02:29 PM (QH7ml)

506 502 489 >>this is starting to get #Triggering

I'm a traditionalist, the old ways are often the best.

Rum, sodomy and the lash.

But also positive reinforcement. There will be treats.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2017 02:23 PM (/tuJf)

So which part of "Rum, sodomy, and the lash" constitutes the treat?
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 14, 2017 02:28 PM (RD7QR)


Rum..... hellllloooooo.....

Posted by: Don Q. at July 14, 2017 02:29 PM (NgKpN)

507 But at least these scolds aren't the worst thing ever: a HYPOCRITE

And that's another way they justify being judgmental assholes

Posted by: That Guy at July 14, 2017 02:29 PM (H78sB)

508
Wow...you ARE old.


You're not really old unless you know who White Fang was

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 14, 2017 02:32 PM (lKyWE)

509 405 *flamethrows JackStraw*

Vaping is the only thing that helped my brother quit smoking. I view it as a miracle. If you want to see me go from zero to stabby at the speed of light, bring up but but but we must ban vaping because it *looks* like smoking and The Children.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 02:08 PM (dEQP3)



Vaping is the greatest anti-smoking device ever created.

Pretty much everybody I know who took up vaping, quit nicotine entirely within 2 years.

I think it works that way for two reasons:

1) No cache' like smoking. No movie stars, etc. And looks vaguely ridiculous.

2) Forces people who smoke to acknowledge to themselves that the only reason they smoke is to feed a nicotine addiction.

The various concentrations available just reinforce this perception.



And yes, anyone who proposes banning vaping requires a cunt-punt.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 14, 2017 02:32 PM (NyJwR)

510 In the broader empire, sure, but in Rome no. Rome didn't fall because of problems in a distant area of Gaul. It fell because of what happened in Rome its self.


Rome had ceased to be the capital of the Roman Empire a hundred years previously, and was of ceremonial importance only. The two capitals were Ravenna and Constantinople. And no, Rome did not fall when it was sacked by "barbarians."

Y'all might, just possibly, want to learn the difference between the collapse of the roman Republic and the Fall of the Western Empire. Not the same event.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 14, 2017 02:33 PM (bZ7mE)

511 You're not really old unless you know who White Fang was
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 14, 2017 02:32 PM (lKyWE)

From the Book? Why would that make you old... its still a Jack London Classic...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 14, 2017 02:34 PM (NgKpN)

512
From the Book? Why would that make you old... its still a Jack London Classic...
Posted by: Don Q. at July 14, 2017 02:34 PM (NgKpN)


Soupy Sales.White Fang was a sock puppet the meanest dog in all of Dee-troit

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 14, 2017 02:36 PM (lKyWE)

513 Well, I guess I can wander in from exile for this thread.

This is why I went off on Tuesday. I am officially toxic on anything resembling scolding because the "culture" is saturated with it, and as a traditionalist straight cis male of parlor, most of it is pointed at me and those like me.

So I don't react well. Even when it may be understandable. Even when it's folks I have no other quarrel with and vice versa.

It sucks, and I regret folks I catch in the crossfire, but I feel I'm ceding too much if I don't these days. And so it goes.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 14, 2017 02:36 PM (P83tS)

514 As far as vaping... Giving up smoking completely, cold turkey is like going to a bar, and the bartender refuses you service, women throw drinks in your face, and you have to drop a duce and the bathroom door is bolted shut.


***

my brain originally scanned this as "fart vaping"

that's one way to quit.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 02:38 PM (AU4SY)

515
505 The moral-grandstanding and scolding is one thing. But what comes next is the criminalization of disagreement , mandatory compliance and tax-payer funding.


Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 14, 2017 02:29 PM (QH7ml)


Yes. Breitbart's observation that politics follows culture is apropos. When we surrendered the culture to the leftists it was only a matter of time before their Weltanschauung started seeping into law.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 14, 2017 02:39 PM (Xuv2G)

516 But how many kinds of "bears" hunt eucalyptus?

Posted by: Glenn John at July 14, 2017 02:39 PM (LilNs)

517 and then I thought I read there was a discussion on spooging on dolphins.

Everyone knows dolphins are the tops.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 02:41 PM (AU4SY)

518 "504
491 Rome fell when they allowed unlimited immigration. They were no longer Roman.

They never allowed unlimited immigration, and "Roman" meant a
political and cultural identity - mostly among the upper classes - not
an ethnic one."

First, we forget the rigid class structure: The Governing Class was traditionally always the Patricians, the descendants of those legendary Original 400 Families of the Old Rome. They were the only ones who could hold Senatorial and other high offices.

Outsiders had to be let in when so few of the original Patrician class could be found; not surprisingly, those wealthy and powerful Italians were a vicious and murderous bunch, and after three or four hundred years of this not much of the original families were left.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2017 02:43 PM (OmOvC)

519 I can tell if someone is judgemental just by looking at them.

Posted by: jc at July 14, 2017 02:43 PM (iRJ+A)

520 I finally got around to posting one silly comment so you know what that means! NOOD

Posted by: Glenn John at July 14, 2017 02:43 PM (LilNs)

521 201 Not kidding when I say this: many find hate to be joyous.

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some see the only moral scourge in the world as the townfolk from Footlose. And they fight hard.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 14, 2017 01:29 PM

Christopher Hitchens was like that. He said it was hate that got him out of bed in the morning. And that was before the cancer. Lots of people rave about what a good writer he was, but they forget that after Reagan died he referred to him as a dried up old lizard. he hated a lot of people, very publically.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at July 14, 2017 02:44 PM (G8B7r)

522 It used to be fairly common for a woman getting married to have her little sister be the flower girl.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny now with MAGIC Jazz Hands at July 14, 2017 01:50 PM (dEQP3)


That was back when women didn't wait until they were 35 to get married.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 14, 2017 02:48 PM (Xuv2G)

523 Lots of people rave about what a good writer he was, but they forget that after Reagan died he referred to him as a dried up old lizard. he hated a lot of people, very publically.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at July 14, 2017 02:44 PM (G8B7r)


Yeah. I respected him for his command of the language and his ability to make cohesive arguments while he was three sheets to the wind, but his Mother Theresa jihad always made me uneasy.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 14, 2017 02:51 PM (Xuv2G)

524 I LOVED this post!!!!!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 14, 2017 03:00 PM (jjaLl)

525 Another example of narcissism: the "I'm okay with/I'm fine with" argument . . . as in "I'm okay with high taxes." Oh, well, that settles it, Lord of the Universee! If YOU'RE okay with it, EVERYONE should be okay with it.

Posted by: Bilwick at July 14, 2017 03:16 PM (kx9QW)

526 Nice movie review, Ace.

And this:

"This persists into adulthood -- especially in the sort of arrested development adulthood prevalent in America -- so that it is always a safer default position to find fault with anything -- anything! -- then to say something effusively positive about it."

I'd add, is the essence of the brainwashing of modern sit-coms. Insult everyone and everything for a laugh. And the butt of the joking is supposed to take endless abuse or s/he's uncool. Oh, there might be a "lesson" at the end of the episode, but there's just so much mockery along the way that it grinds one into dust.

Which is why the sit-com, among so many other things, is more tedium to which one should just say, "Eff you, too!"

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 14, 2017 03:37 PM (H8S+R)

527 I don't buy that I should simply accept that some people make wrong choices. Tolerance strikes me as a better principle. Tolerance is about living with choices you disapprove of, not withholding judgment. Whether to preach to, lecture, or try to persuade someone who you think is making the wrong choices is just a pragmatic decision about tactics, not principle. Nor do I think libertarianism requires acceptance of wrong choices beyond accepting that the other person is the decider of their own choices.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at July 14, 2017 07:15 PM (P7ulB)

528 I'll believe the people who demand world depopulation must be mandatory when they start offing themselves first.

Write your manifesto and then make your exit.

If you write "Why We Must All Die! Part III," frankly you don't mean it so sit down and shut up.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at July 14, 2017 07:19 PM (xUc0d)

529 Guaranteed Amanda wouldn't be denouncing a black family of "refugees" from "Syria" living with their 11 children in Sweden on welfare.

Posted by: Small Rivers at July 14, 2017 10:38 PM (KL5Ns)

530 It is always easier to tear something down then it is to build something from nothing.

Posted by: Nancy at July 14, 2017 10:40 PM (DdDRk)

531 Alright, so I'll come out of the Lurker Shadows momentarily and satisfy my narcissistic need for attention. That, and I love this:
"Anyone who's ever responded to someone lecturing them (without authority to do so) -- even if that lecture was about something you actually agree with is generally a sound moral lodestar to follow -- by saying "fuck you" understands how this works."
I've been saying since last summer that these were basically the campaign themes: Hillary - Because What Difference, At This Point, Does It Make? And Trump - Because Fuck You. And now a whole lot of people feel the freedom to continue saying Fuck You.

Posted by: Masclus the Younger at July 15, 2017 12:40 AM (0wYgX)

532 whoever wrote this article is full of shit, plain and simple.

Posted by: John B at July 15, 2017 07:03 AM (3SgzA)

533 Another good response to this kind of self-serving moral preening is at the level of maturity they can actually understand.

"Make me."

That is a good way to remind them that they aren't your parents. What is are the Christmas cake cat ladies gonna do, send us to our rooms? Tell dad?

Posted by: Saber Alter, rising from the dead at July 15, 2017 07:58 PM (YZ7Go)

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