Sunday Morning Book Thread 11-20-2016: Myths

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Good morning to all of you morons and moronettes and bartenders everywhere and all the ships at sea. Welcome to AoSHQ's stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, where men are men, all the 'ettes are gorgeous, safe spaces are underneath your house and are used as protection against actual dangers, like tornados, hurricanes, IRS audits, Donald Trump becoming president, and special snowflakes are sure to melt. And unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, which should be taken out and shot.


Myths

About a month ago, longtime moron steevy mentioned that this one was on his stack: The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain by Dario Ferdandez-Morera. Apparently, the wonderful, multi-culti tolerance that the Muslim rulers of medieval Spain wasn't all that:

In this groundbreaking book, Northwestern University scholar Darío Fernández-Morera tells the full story of Islamic Spain. The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise shines light on hidden features of this medieval culture by drawing on an abundance of primary sources that scholars have ignored, as well as archaeological evidence only recently unearthed...Far from a land of tolerance, Islamic Spain was marked by religious and therefore cultural repression in all areas of life, and by the marginalization of Christians and other groups—all this in the service of social control by autocratic rulers and a class of religious authorities.

As professors, politicians, and pundits continue to celebrate Islamic Spain for its “multiculturalism” and “diversity,” Fernández-Morera sets the record straight—showing that a politically useful myth is a myth nonetheless.

I've always thought that "tolerance" was mainly a modern virtue and it's kind of anachronistic to apply it as a standard to societies that existed centuries ago.

Here's another myth is need of serious debunking, The Almost Nearly Perfect People: Behind the Myth of the Scandinavian Utopia by Michael Booth, a left-leaning journalist who has been living in Denmark for 15 years. He says:

..."for much of the twentieth century Sweden was effectively a one-party state." That party was the Social Democrats, and they "regulated every aspect of their dutiful, acquiescent citizens' lives, doing their utmost to ensure adherence to the prescribed modern, progressive social norms."

How many of your morons are old enough to remember The Prisoner, that British TV mini-series, starring Patrick McGoohan, from the 60s? The plot concerns a British spy/agent who resigns his position, but then is abducted and wakes up in a place called "The Village." The environment is very pleasant, even idyllic. But it rests on a totalitarian foundation. In reality, the Village is a prison and the administration wants to know why McGoohan's character resigns, and they will do anything to extract this information. McGoohan gives them nothing, but only tries to escape. And in the end-- well, you will have to watch it for yourself to find out whether he eventually succeeds in escaping.

The Prisoner and its tagline "I am not a number, I am a free man!" was McGoohan's cri de coeur against the tyranny of the modern bureaucratic state. But even though freedom, real freedom, was absent from the Village, everybody's needs were met. Nobody starved, and every inhabitant had some sort of job that enabled them to buy food and other necessities. And of course, everybody got whatever medical care they needed.

McGoohan was aghast at such a social arrangement, and he communicated his outrage throughout the series. But a progressive will look at this and say, why not? Who cares if you don't have some freedoms, you probably don't need them anyway, and isn't adequate food, health, and housing far more important? It's the old security vs. freedom calculus where the more you have of the one, the less you must necessarily have of the other. So progressives would look at what McGoohan was trying to show them, and come to the opposite conclusion of what he intended.

And, of course, they look at a cradle-to-grave, 90% tax rate welfare state such as Sweden and say, yeah, that's what we want here. But:

If Sweden were to exit the EU and become a U.S. state, it would rank below 38 other states in wealth based on purchasing-power parity.

I have long suspected this. Some time ago I watched the Swedish horror movie Let the Right One In, which featured a number of interior shots of the apartment the little boy was living in with his mother, and I was struck by how shabby it looked. It reminded me of photos I'd seen of East bloc/commie apartment complexes from the 1950s.

On the other hand, other parts of the movie were shot in what I think was a municipal swimming facility. Lots of (public) money had to have gone into it, because it looked absolutely magnificent.

And lastly, Phantom Nation: Inventing the "Palestinians" as the Obstacle to Peace by Sha'i ben-Tekoa, which

skewers the myth of a “Palestinian” nation with rights to land the League of Nations specifically recognized as Jewish. The author...discovered the first mention ever in a United Nations resolution of “Palestinians” in the year 1970, three years after Israel conquered Judea and Samaria, a.k.a. the “West Bank.” The author also shows how this very no-name of a name, “West Bank,” had to be invented for hills the Arabs never had a name for. Hence, the sterile, topographical description lacking all historical associations, which exposes the fraud that is the “Palestinian” counter-claim to land the League said was Jewish. Before 1959, when Gamal Nasser of Egypt conjured up the idea of a phantom “Palestinian” nation, the record of Holy Land history is perfectly empty of any mention of them.

When the Israelis pulled out from Gaza, they left behind a number of greenhouses the Palestinians could make use of, but they didn't. Instead, the Palestinians immediately smashed them to pieces. And I have yet to hear even one of their supporters in the West admit the obvious truth that this dysfunctional behavior is an indication that something is seriously wrong with Palestinian priorities and perhaps it would be better for them to be taught how to make better choices. Also, standing around all day shouting "Kill the Jews" instead of working is not real productive. And one more thing, progressives like to complain about a "culture of hate" whenever something happens that they don't like, for example, Donald Trump being elected, but if you want to see what a "culture of hate" really looks like, try watching Palestinian TV.


Desiderata

You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
Hillary Clinton will never be president.


From the Mailbag

Sometimes I get recommendations from morons who tell me "hey, I read such-and-such, it's a great book" and so I'll write it up. But sometimes I just get the book title (with perhaps a brief blurb)and I'm not sure if they're actually recommending it from having read it, or they thought it would be interesting to the Horde.

With that in mind, I've got two book mentions from the Horde

"You immediately like him. He seems lonely. The eyes, showing a kind heart, stare right at you. They sparkle with force."

Danish journalist Inga Arvad wrote this about what world leader?

a) Bill Clinton
b) Mahatma Gandhi
c) John F. Kennedy
d) Adolf Hitler

The answer of course is (d), with whom she accompanied to the 1936 Olympics. Half-credit if you guessed (c), as Arvad was, uh, "romantically involved" with JFK in 1941-42. All of this is detailed in the biography that moron Anonosaurus Wrecks told me about, Inga: Kennedy's Great Love, Hitler's Perfect Beauty, and J. Edgar Hoover's Prime Suspect. The Amazon blurb is too long to quote in full, but here's an excerpt:

She was an actress, a foreign correspondent, a popular Washington columnist, an explorer who lived among a tribe of headhunters, one of Hollywood’s most influential gossip columnists, and a suspected Nazi spy...Inga lived where gossip intersects with history, and her story, as told by author Scott Farris in Inga, is a rollicking story that demonstrates how private lives influence public events. It is also a Hitchcockian tale of how difficult it can be to prove innocence when unjustly accused, and how, as Inga phrased it, what was once a halo can slip down and become a hangman’s noose.

Because she hung out with Hitler for awhile, J. Edgar Hoover thought she might be a spy. She wasn't.

Oh, and she was the Miss Denmark of 1931. By all accounts, she lived a very interesting life.


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CBD, who is a self-admitted Tolkien geek, pointed me to The Children of Hurin by J.R.R. Tolkien and Christopher Tolkien. Presumably, Chris put it together from notes his father left.

The Children of Húrin is the first complete book by J.R.R.Tolkien since the 1977 publication of The Silmarillion. Six thousand years before the One Ring is destroyed, Middle-earth lies under the shadow of the Dark Lord Morgoth. The greatest warriors among elves and men have perished, and all is in darkness and despair. But a deadly new leader rises, Túrin, son of Húrin, and with his grim band of outlaws begins to turn the tide in the war for Middle-earth -- awaiting the day he confronts his destiny and the deadly curse laid upon him.

See, this sounds like a cracking good story. And I think it would make a cracking good TV series. The popularity of The Game of Thrones demonstrated that there's an audience for sword-and-sorcery sagas, and I think the potential for this one would be even bigger. I stopped watching GoT before I made it through the pilot. Three scenes of barnyard sex were enough for me. I know that this series quite popular, but I've heard its full of unlikeable characters, plus the whole thing is just kind of grimly nihilistic and pointless. So, with a better story, you'd get most, if not all of the GoT audience, plus those of us from whom the GoT atmosphere leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

I'm not upset about it being dark, or grim, or whatever you want to call it. Everything doesn't have to be Skittles and unicorns. But a story about one evil guy fighting another evil guy, or a group of evil guys all fighting each other over some MacGuffin quickly wears me down. For my money, there has to some discernable moral center in or behind the story that the story is built on. And Tolkien, steeped as he was in ancient and medieval literature, had a more well-informed and superior poetic vision, moreso than George R.R. Martin can ever hope to achieve.


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Remember OregonMuse posting pictures in one of his book threads of Guillermo del Toro's wonderfully creepy library? Well there's a book out called "Guilermo del Toro: At Home With Monsters" and it's stuffed to the gills with photos of his home and his collection of art and oddities. Can't wait to dive in.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 15, 2016 06:27 PM (EnKk6)

Here's the book she's talking about:

Guillermo del Toro: At Home with Monsters: Inside His Films, Notebooks, and Collections, which I wish I'd known about before the Halloween book thread.

In 2016, a new exhibit on the work of visionary director Guillermo del Toro will begin at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA), before moving on to the Art Gallery of Ontario (AGO) and the Minneapolis Museum of Art (MIA). This book will be the perfect accompaniment to the exhibition, which focuses on del Toro’s creative process, including the well-defined themes that he obsessively returns to in all his films, the journals in which he logs his ideas, and the vast and inspiring collection of art and pop culture ephemera that he has amassed at his private “man cave,” Bleak House. Filled with imagery from the exhibit, including favorite pieces of art that del Toro has chosen for the exhibit, and pertinent journal pages, the book will further delve further into the director’s world through exclusive in-depth interviews and commentary from notable figures in the art world.

So the book is designed as a companion piece to the travelling exhibit.


Books By Morons

We all know that the two greatest influences on the English language are Shakespeare and The King James Bible. A lurking moron author, Bob Hostetler, e-mailed me this week to tell me about his new book, that combines the two. The Bard and the Bible: A Shakespeare Devotional, which

...pairs 365 short passages from the King James Version of the Bible with lines from Shakespeare's plays and sonnets. The poetry of the Bard of Stratford-on-Avon and the power of God's Word will enrich the reader's understanding and appreciation of both, and provide new ways to encounter and respond to God through His Word. A year of daily readings in both Shakespeare and the King James Version yields intellectual stimulation and spiritual inspiration for readers, enlarging their minds as it changes their lives.

It's had to believe that nobody has ever thought of doing something like this before (which is what Bob's agent told him). It combines two great things that naturally go together like, chocolate and peanut butter, or Hillary Clinton and psychotic screaming fits of drunken rage.


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Moronette 'votermom' is putting together a list of moron authors over on the Goodreads site which is intended to be accessible to non-members. Here is the list she has compiled so far. Let her know if there's an author she's missing.

http://www.bookhorde.org/p/aoshq-authors.html

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Don't forget the AoSHQ reading group on Goodreads. It's meant to support horde writers and to talk about the great books that come up on the book thread. It's called AoSHQ Moron Horde and the link to it is here: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/175335-aoshq-moron-horde.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, rumors, threats, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

Posted by: OregonMuse at 08:59 AM




Comments

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1 Now on the second book in the Island In The Sea of Time series by S M Stirling.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 08:55 AM (mpXpK)

2 Lots-O-Books there.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 08:56 AM (mpXpK)

3 Tolle lege

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 08:56 AM (GH68B)

4 Still only 1/2 way on Desolation Island by Patrick O'Brian, if I would stay away from the comment section I'd be further along.
Not of much interest to anyone else but have been reading Arakcheev Grand Visor of the Russian Empire at work. By all accounts I have ever read Arakcheev was a real bastard to his troops, exicuting a young officer by burying a young Lt up to his neck. But while I won't get to finish the book it is changing my opinion as he was maybe not the heartless guy he's made out to be.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 09:01 AM (GH68B)

5 I finished hillbilly elegy this week. I don't understand the rave reviews. Tonestaple, I saw you mention you were also reading it. I found it so full of cliches that the "story" was almost unbelievable. My biggest problem is the term used, working class. If you are on heroin and don't work yet get a check from the government, you are in no way working class. You are welfare class. If your lot dies off, I'm ok with that. Also, if your grandmother calls you a mother fucker, you might have a white trash granny instead of a hillbilly one.

Posted by: NCKate at November 20, 2016 09:01 AM (6UCyk)

6 Far from a land of tolerance, Islamic Spain was marked by religious and therefore cultural repression in all areas of life, and by the marginalization of Christians and other groups-all this in the service of social control by autocratic rulers and a class of religious authorities.

As professors, politicians, and pundits continue to celebrate Islamic Spain for its "multiculturalism" and "diversity," Fernández-Morera sets the record straight-showing that a politically useful myth is a myth nonetheless.



Gee, you don't say. But that must not have been true Islam because we know that true Islam is all rainbows, sunshine and unicorns.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2016 09:01 AM (auHtY)

7 It combines two great things that naturally go together like, chocolate and peanut butter, or Hillary Clinton and psychotic screaming fits of drunken rage.





Please please let there be video of her meltdown on election night. please

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2016 09:02 AM (auHtY)

8
Ah, The Prisoner. Great, if strange television. Don't be unmutual by disagreeing with me.

I have the DVDs and should trot them out for another viewing.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2016 09:03 AM (BK3ZS)

9 Way back when all the liberals were extolling the virtues of socialist countries they always cited Sweden as a prime example of success with a socialist government. My response was always that whet we were seeing was cherry-picked data and that where things were going well, they were living off the "fat" produced from capitolism and that like all socialist countries it would collapse in the end.


And so it has.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 09:04 AM (mpXpK)

10 The Tale of the Hapless is a grim read. The power of Morgoth is not to be doubted.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2016 09:04 AM (0F67M)

11 Very nice thread, OregonMuse. Thank you!

On the other hand, other parts of the movie were shot in what I think
was a municipal swimming facility. Lots of (public) money had to have
gone into it, because it looked absolutely magnificent.


You can tell a society's (or individual's) priorities by where they invest their money. There's a reason Sweden is the only country to have a Bikini Team.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 20, 2016 09:04 AM (DMUuz)

12
5 I finished hillbilly elegy this week. I don't understand the rave reviews. Tonestaple, I saw you mention you were also reading it. I found it so full of cliches that the "story" was almost unbelievable. My biggest problem is the term used, working class. If you are on heroin and don't work yet get a check from the government, you are in no way working class. You are welfare class. If your lot dies off, I'm ok with that. Also, if your grandmother calls you a mother fucker, you might have a white trash granny instead of a hillbilly one.
Posted by: NCKate at November 20, 2016 09:01 AM (6UCyk)


Is this a "don't bother" recommendation? I have it on my reading list.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2016 09:05 AM (BK3ZS)

13 Still working on 'Camp of Saints' and 'The Forgotten Man'. The former per Moron recommendation, which I endorse heartily. I also think that 'The Forgotten Man' is absolutely a mandatory read.

I continue to slog through Francis Bacon's Essays, which are tedious because of the arcane language, but worth the effort. He continues to impress me.

I'm thinking my next read will be something frivolous.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2016 09:09 AM (CxB0h)

14 The Good

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 30m30 minutes ago

General James "Mad Dog" Mattis, who is being considered for Secretary of Defense, was very impressive yesterday. A true General's General!

The Bad

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 5m5 minutes ago

I have always had a good relationship with Chuck Schumer. He is far smarter than Harry R and has the ability to get things done. Good news!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2016 09:09 AM (0F67M)

15 discovered the first mention ever in a United Nations resolution of Palestinians in the year 1970

????

Yeah look there is not great Zionist here than me, but that statement is just flat wrong. If the Author actually said that, it calls into question everything else he mght have written.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:09 AM (e7PkI)

16
*rips off black and white mask*

*underneath is a gorilla mask*

*rips off gorilla mask*

*underneath is your face laughing maniacally!

*climbs into rocket ship*

*blasts off***










**lands rocket years later*

*gets extensive plastic surgery*

*becomes "The Fonz" on "Happy Days"*

Posted by: Yes, naturalfake was Number 1 at November 20, 2016 09:09 AM (9q7Dl)

17
Gee, you don't say. But that must not have been true Islam because we know that true Islam is all rainbows, sunshine and unicorns.
Posted by: TheQuietMan

It's amazing that people refuse to read that damn book.

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2016 09:09 AM (2RVmA)

18 Nice library, Kodos! I dig that side table bookshelf.

And what a Moronic touch to have a bottle of vodka on your shelf. I never thought to incorporate my alcohol into my library. Put in some shoes and I will have a beautiful gestalt of Art and Eris and AoSHQ.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 09:10 AM (EnKk6)

19 Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 09:01 AM (GH68B)

Just started Desolation Island myself, got bogged down with family issues and so didn't finish The Mauritius Command as early as I expected to. Still amazed at O'Brian's writing abilities.

I had read many of these years ago, and how forgotten how skilled an "operator" Maturin was!

Posted by: Hrothgar (gab.ai) at November 20, 2016 09:10 AM (wCEn4)

20 Kodos, nice library!!!!

Very nice.

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:10 AM (Om16U)

21 The Bad

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 5m5 minutes ago

I have always had a good relationship with Chuck Schumer. He is far smarter than Harry R and has the ability to get things done. Good news!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2016 09:09 AM (0F67M)


He is not taking Schumer to bed....Just saying something nice about someone he will have to work with to get things done. I would not fret to much about that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:10 AM (e7PkI)

22 Today on my blog, sales on Kindle reader & Fire Kids

Link in nic

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:10 AM (Om16U)

23 Krebs, I would say don't pay good money for it. If you can get it at the library, read it and see what you think. Definitely don't give this guy 15 bucks. Also, see what tonestaple has to say.

Posted by: NCKate at November 20, 2016 09:11 AM (6UCyk)

24 >>Please please let there be video of her meltdown on election night. please

I am certain there are Hillary insider tell-alls in the works. Ed Klein still has his inside contacts by the sound of it - he reported Hillary was sobbing to hard to leave her room to concede on election night, still sobbing the next morning.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2016 09:12 AM (NOIQH)

25 Ah, The Prisoner. Great, if strange television. Don't be unmutual by disagreeing with me.

I have the DVDs and should trot them out for another viewing.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2016 09:03 AM (BK3

I vaguely remember the principle character being chased by some kind of balloon thing.

Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2016 09:12 AM (x9c8r)

26 From previous thread, since Anna usually shows up for the book thread

Anna Puma!

Barron Trump gets his own bishonen parody cover

https://twitter.com/votermom/status/800334674371473408

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:13 AM (Om16U)

27 I finished hillbilly elegy this week. I don't understand the rave reviews.
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I think I have posted this before:

"Everywhere I go, I'm asked if I think the universities stifle writers. My opinion is that they don't stifle enough of them. There's many a best seller that could have been prevented by a good teacher." -- Flannery O'Connor

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2016 09:13 AM (CxB0h)

28 It's had to believe that nobody has ever thought of doing something like this before (which is what Bob's agent told him).


It's hahd to believe that theah's nobody out theah.
It's hahd to believe, I'm all alone.
At least I have her love, the Jackie she loves me.
Lonely as I am, togethah, we cry.

Posted by: JFK covering the Red Hot Chili Peppers at November 20, 2016 09:14 AM (uz/Pv)

29 Every book thread reading Moron has a library of books worth more than any medieval king's ransom, if transported back to that time. It took scribes a year or more to make a copy of a book. So the scribes wrote curses in the front or back of their labors. Here's a great one:

"For him that stealeth, or borroweth and returneth not, this book from its owner, let it change into a serpent in his hand and rend him. Let him be struck with palsy and all his members blasted. Let him languish in pain crying aloud for mercy, and let there be no surcease to his agony till he sing in dissolution. Let bookworms gnaw his entrails in token of the Worm that dieth not, and when at last he goeth to his final punishment, let the flames of Hell consume him for ever."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/gn88zzx

(Atlas Obscura via h/t Insty)

Which is pretty much how I picture Harry Reid spending his retirement.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2016 09:14 AM (b/kAv)

30 I read Bill O'Reilly's "Killing the Rising Sun" yesterday. I have enjoyed all the "killing" books but this one was very good. It's a novel inside a history book, I enjoy that. Very fast reading. My dad is a WW2 vet and was in the European theater but loved the Pacific theater stories, so we got a lot of that growing up. No new insights, just and enjoyable read for a really crappy day outside.

Posted by: smoabb99 at November 20, 2016 09:14 AM (HBU7W)

31 21 The Bad

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 5m5 minutes ago

I have always had a good relationship with Chuck Schumer. He is far smarter than Harry R and has the ability to get things done. Good news!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2016 09:09 AM (0F67M)


He is not taking Schumer to bed....Just saying something nice about someone he will have to work with to get things done. I would not fret to much about that.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:10 AM (e7PkI)

And saying Schumer is far smarter than Harry Reid is damning with faintest of praise.

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2016 09:15 AM (7qAYi)

32
I vaguely remember the principle character being chased by some kind of balloon thing.
Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2016 09:12 AM (x9c8r)


That functioned as the guard / posse to bring him back if he tried to escape.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2016 09:15 AM (BK3ZS)

33 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 30m30 minutes ago

General James "Mad Dog" Mattis, who is being considered for Secretary of Defense, was very impressive yesterday. A true General's General!

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Grumpy, I am in such suspense about Mattis.
But he needs a waiver from Congress because he is less than 7 years past retirement. I hope those pussies don't block him.

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:15 AM (Om16U)

34 Tolkien drew heavily on Saxon and Welsh myth, and also on the Scandinavian myths for his source material.
I knew an theater major who was so offended by that fact he decided to never read Tolkien again and eschew his movies.

What can you say? Lord of the Ring is a novelization of the Eddas. Who is going to wade through a thousand lines of alliterative heroic poetry without provocation?

Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 09:17 AM (BZCXR)

35 Desiderata?

Deteriorata (courtesy of National Lampoon)

You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at November 20, 2016 09:17 AM (S6Pax)

36 And I would like to thank Pixy for un-deleting me

Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 09:18 AM (BZCXR)

37 LOLOL

Trump calls Hamilton "highly overrated"
Awesome!

Trump tweet:
The cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated, should immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:18 AM (Om16U)

38
Ever have a beloved book that you lent to a friend-

and then the evil scumbag never returned it to you?


Weeeeellllll...

It appears that it's all your fault. You neglected to put a strong enough Book Curse on that particular volume-

http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/protect-your-

library-the-medieval-way-with-horrifying-book-curses

(remove extra spaces)







Via Insty

Posted by: H D Woodard - "Wearing the Cat" at November 20, 2016 09:19 AM (9q7Dl)

39 Andulsia was the name of Flannery O'Connor's home in Milledgeville GA.

Posted by: freaked at November 20, 2016 09:19 AM (BO/km)

40 Grumpy, I am in such suspense about Mattis.
But he needs a waiver from Congress because he is less than 7 years past retirement. I hope those pussies don't block him.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:15 AM (Om16U)

I "Believe" a successful confirmation vote, which only requires 51 votes, would essentially count as a waiver.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:19 AM (e7PkI)

41 "Cradle to Grave" Socialism is for babies and the dead.

Not for free men who have a nut sack and a spine.

As for Palestine, I blame the Brits and their map making again. Should have named their protectorate "Judea" and left it at that.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 20, 2016 09:19 AM (ej1L0)

42 Schumer s ego doesn't much fluffing

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2016 09:20 AM (2RVmA)

43
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:15 AM (Om16U)


You were asked to represent "Trump voters who read" by someone who wished to write about "them", yes?

Will you keep an eye out for when the piece does get published and let us know? I heard you declined the honor since anonymity was out of the question.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2016 09:20 AM (BK3ZS)

44 Starting "The Six" by Laura Thompson. "Love in a Cold Climate" and "The Pursuit of Love" are 2 favorites of mine. Both are based on Nancy Mitford's family.
Now for the real story. I understand that mom and a couple of the sisters were big fans of Hitler.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at November 20, 2016 09:20 AM (wV8s/)

45 1 Now on the second book in the Island In The Sea of Time series by S M Stirling.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 08:55 AM (mpXpK)

I liked that trilogy a lot

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:20 AM (Om16U)

46 I've always thought that a Middle Earth TV series, set in the 1st or 2nd Age, would be awesome.

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2016 09:20 AM (7qAYi)

47 Grumpy, I am in such suspense about Mattis.
But he needs a waiver from Congress because he is less than 7 years past retirement. I hope those pussies don't block him.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:15 AM (Om16U)

I "Believe" a successful confirmation vote, which only requires 51 votes, would essentially count as a waiver.
Posted by: Nevergiveup

I thought the waiver had to come from the House?

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2016 09:21 AM (2RVmA)

48 morning, morons, I"m between books at the moment. I am still sporadically reading Titans by Simon Sebag Montifiore, compacti mini-bios of influential people in history. It seems refreshingly free of bias and full of terrific trivia: Ghengis Khan always ate in the saddle, and died in one, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: vivi at November 20, 2016 09:21 AM (11H2y)

49 41. Yep, the Brits deserve a lot of blame. Especially Queen Vic for all of her meddling.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at November 20, 2016 09:21 AM (wV8s/)

50 I haven't been reading much - alas. Still working on "The Patriots" by Sana Krasikov - a new release which be out until mid-January. Interesting so far, as it is a generational saga about one of those deluded American Communist sympathizers in the early 1930s who goes to Russia for work ... and eventually gets stranded there for decades.

My daughter and I have Christmas market events every weekend until the weekend before Christmas, so the weekdays are filled up with preparing for them, We have done two so far, since the election; and here in Texas at least, people seem willing to spend money again. The events that we did before Election day were pretty flat, profit-wise.

Thanks to all the 'rons and 'ronettes who ordered "The Golden Road" after last week's mention! If you enjoy the Gold Rush saga - post a review someplace.

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at November 20, 2016 09:21 AM (xnmPy)

51 Lament For Eorl The Young

Where now is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
Who shall gather the smoke of the deadwood burning,
Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning?


My best friend died of a heart attack a few nights ago. I feel my heart breaking. We've been friends for 36 years. He was only 58. I feel like I have lost my brother.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at November 20, 2016 09:22 AM (S6Pax)

52 Posted by: H D Woodard - "Wearing the Cat" at November 20, 2016 09:19 AM (9q7Dl)

See my #29 comment.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 20, 2016 09:22 AM (b/kAv)

53 Desolation Island has even up to halfway still building up to what Dr Maturin is working on but is still good. But if it moved into a battle scene I am sure I would not put it down, comment section or not.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 09:23 AM (GH68B)

54 51 - I'm so sorry for your loss BC

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2016 09:23 AM (7qAYi)

55 I thought the waiver had to come from the House?
Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2016 09:21 AM (2RVmA)

Maybe. I really have no idea. But we have a larger majority there so I do not see a problem

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:23 AM (e7PkI)

56 At my place of employment (notice I did not say "work") we were discussing the increasingly D and E list superheroes the studios are dusting off to get movie ideas. Somebody brought up The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. I did not believe such a thing existed but Lo!, she is real:

http://marvel.com/comics/series/19750/the_unbeatable_squirrel_girl_2015

Checked a volume out of the library and so far it's lots of fun. Very whacked out yet canon part of the Marvel Universe.

SG: I beat up Thanos once.
Galactus: Thanos?
SG: Yeah, you know him? Purple guy? Half goth because he's big into death, but half hipster because he makes his own gloves?
Glactus: Ha ha, nice. What a tool.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 09:23 AM (EnKk6)

57 I'm continuing with "The Philosophy of Tolkien" by Peter Kreeft. It just gets better as I go along. I really feel my annual LOTR reading, which starts soon, will be enhanced by this book. In the same way CS Lewis made such a huge difference for me with "Paradise Lost".

Question: Joseph Pearce has written books about Frodo and Bilbo and the importance and meaning of their journey. Anyone familiar with his works?

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 09:24 AM (V+03K)

58 I see Kodos the Executioner's library is missing something,
a cat.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 09:25 AM (GH68B)

59 51- Sorry for your loss, Bossy Conservative. I wish for peace for you and repose in a better world for your brother by another mother.

Posted by: vivi at November 20, 2016 09:25 AM (11H2y)

60 5 I finished hillbilly elegy this week. I don't understand the rave reviews. "

I immediately developed suspicions about when I saw leftist commentators on PBS and CNN praise it. If they like it, it must be because it confirms all their worst prejudices.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 20, 2016 09:27 AM (P8951)

61 Maybe if Kodos didn't have such a fine library he needn't have executed all those colonists.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 20, 2016 09:27 AM (EZebt)

62 Thanks for putting this up, OM.

The series of blue-backed books are Samuel Eliot Morison's complete History of Unites States Naval Operations in World War II, picked up for a song at Costco one fine day.

Not shown is another wall with my music books and scores, novels, baseball books, books on Soviet Russia and the Habsburg empire and Balzac's complete The Human Comedy in 35 volumes.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at November 20, 2016 09:27 AM (J8/9G)

63 Bossy Conservative, how terrible! My condolences.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 20, 2016 09:28 AM (P8951)

64 Andulsia was the name of Flannery O'Connor's home in Milledgeville GA.
Posted by: freaked
----------

As as an aside, 'Milledgeville' was the location of the State Mental Institution. It was a bit of a euphemism to say that someone had been 'Sent to Milledgeville', aka 'The nervous Hospital'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2016 09:28 AM (CxB0h)

65 Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 20, 2016 09:27 AM (EZebt)


He did what he had to do!

"Your continued existence represents a threat to the well-being of society."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 09:29 AM (EnKk6)

66 By the way there is precedent for Appointing Gen Mattis as SEC of Def and waiving the 7 year rule.....Congress waived that prohibition for Gen George Marshall.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:30 AM (e7PkI)

67 I like Kodos' library. But There are horizontal surfaces, including the floor, not piled with books. I thought that was a Constitutional requirement or something. (At least to judge by my experience.)

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 09:30 AM (V+03K)

68 I am certain there are Hillary insider tell-alls in
the works. Ed Klein still has his inside contacts by the sound of it -
he reported Hillary was sobbing to hard to leave her room to concede on
election night, still sobbing the next morning.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2016 09:12 AM (NOIQH)


I can see the sock: HILLARY CLINTON SHRIEKING FROM HER MORASS OF PAIN AND HUMILIATION

Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 09:30 AM (BZCXR)

69 Japan is really on another world.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 09:31 AM (GH68B)

70 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:30 AM (e7PkI)

What's the point of the rule anyway?

Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2016 09:31 AM (x9c8r)

71 As as an aside, 'Milledgeville' was the location of the State Mental Institution. It was a bit of a euphemism to say that someone had been 'Sent to Milledgeville', aka 'The nervous Hospital'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2016 09:28 AM (CxB0h)

Less than an hour from my childhood home which may or may not be a coincidence.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 20, 2016 09:33 AM (bp7BU)

72 I'm sure my cat Sugar would love to come sit on top of that shelving, as long as its away from her sister.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 09:33 AM (GH68B)

73 Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at November 20, 2016 09:22 AM (S6Pax)

I am so sorry for your loss. Prayers and sympathies.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 09:33 AM (Om16U)

74 It was a bit of a euphemism to say that someone had been 'Sent to Milledgeville'


Shoot Mike we still say that.

Posted by: freaked at November 20, 2016 09:34 AM (BO/km)

75 Kodos, is that a shelf of Penguins?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 09:34 AM (EnKk6)

76 I think, Eris, you'd be a good donor and spokesette for my gofundme page. Raising money for the Horde-approved bear-riding, whip-wielding Cossack/Gurkha/Roof Korean/Sikh task force. Biggest expense will ne the bears and airfare for the legion, seems to me.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 09:34 AM (tebBw)

77 What's the point of the rule anyway?
Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2016 09:31 AM (x9c8r)

The point is to ensure Civilian Control of the Military and in general that is proper and good idea...as long as those civilians are not commie leftists...that last part is mine

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:34 AM (e7PkI)

78 Shoot Mike we still say that.
Posted by: freaked

Phrasing! Please.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2016 09:35 AM (CxB0h)

79 My best friend died of a heart attack a few nights ago. I feel my heart breaking. We've been friends for 36 years. He was only 58. I feel like I have lost my brother.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at November 20, 2016 09:22 AM (S6Pax)
===

May his memory be a blessing.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 20, 2016 09:36 AM (EZebt)

80 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:34 AM (e7PkI)

And 7 is the magic number?

Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2016 09:36 AM (x9c8r)

81 75 Kodos, is that a shelf of Penguins?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 09:34 AM (EnKk6)


Yes, the largest number of Penguins outside Antarctica.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at November 20, 2016 09:36 AM (J8/9G)

82 AlternatI've is to go with the original plan - buncha 'rons and 'ettes armed with bits of rebar and hobo femur clubs. That's a good deal cheaper.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 09:37 AM (tebBw)

83 And 7 is the magic number?
Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2016 09:36 AM (x9c8r)

Well yeah, that's Mickey Mantle's Number

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:37 AM (e7PkI)

84 Shoot Mike we still say that.
Posted by: freaked
Phrasing! Please.

Ah shucks I'm all out of commas this morning.

Posted by: freaked at November 20, 2016 09:37 AM (BO/km)

85 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 09:34 AM (tebBw)
---
Uncle Palp, I do believe you're the reincarnation of Baron Roman von Ungern-Sternberg.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 09:38 AM (EnKk6)

86 I loved The Prisoner series in high school. Didn't realize it was Patrick McGoohan's personal statement about collectivism and the socialist tide in Europe. That makes it even more interesting. If I can find the DVDs at a reasonable price, I'll get them.

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 09:38 AM (V+03K)

87 Well yeah, that's Mickey Mantle's Number

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:37 AM (e7PkI)

Had a Mickey bobble-head when I was a kid....prolly be worth a couple hundred $$ now.

Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2016 09:40 AM (x9c8r)

88 85. He's a role model, but he lacked an armored train.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 09:40 AM (tebBw)

89 Starting "The Six" by Laura Thompson. "Love in a Cold Climate" and "The Pursuit of Love" are 2 favorites of mine. Both are based on Nancy Mitford's family.
Now for the real story. I understand that mom and a couple of the sisters were big fans of Hitler.
Posted by: never enough caffeine at November 20, 2016 09:20 AM (wV8s/)
-----------------

MisHum posted a photo and link to the story of the Mitford sisters earlier this week. Horrid bunch of women, but fascinating story.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 09:41 AM (uHcnA)

90 You were asked to represent "Trump voters who read" by someone who wished to write about "them", yes?


--

Hi Krebs. No go. When I said I want to use my blog name and not my real name I was told she would only interview people who let themselves be quoted by their real name.
So I am not participating.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 09:41 AM (Om16U)

91 All right, off to Barnes and Noble. I've got a 20% off coupon burning a hole in my wallet.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 09:41 AM (EnKk6)

92 29 ... Now THIS is a curse I approve of.

"For him that stealeth, or borroweth and returneth not, this book from its owner, let it change into a serpent in his hand and rend him. Let him be struck with palsy and all his members blasted. Let him languish in pain crying aloud for mercy, and let there be no surcease to his agony till he sing in dissolution. Let bookworms gnaw his entrails in token of the Worm that dieth not, and when at last he goeth to his final punishment, let the flames of Hell consume him for ever."

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 09:41 AM (V+03K)

93 I'm going to be doing a lot of studying and want to get an e-reader.



I was torn earlier in the week, thinking that for the price of a Kindle Paperwhite, I could get a cheap tablet and also use that as an e-reader. Instead, I might as well get one good piece of tech designed for reading.



What are the odds that I'm going to want to watch videos on a 7" tablet instead of on the 23" computer monitor leaning back in the heavily padded Laz-Y-Boy chair.



But I'd really like to be NOT tied to the computer for all of the other reading, even the tech stuff. And it'll be nice to contribute more to this thread occasionally.



That's all. Amazon Canada has the Paperwhite on sale now for 20 bucks cheaper. Everyone have a great day.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2016 09:41 AM (GHjXJ)

94 Trump tweet:
The cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated, should immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior
Posted by: Deplorable votermom


Pence should asked for a refund, not only because he is the customer and they treated him inappropriately, but also because it's hypocritical of them to object to him on principle, and then take his money. Makes them look like greedy little twats.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 20, 2016 09:43 AM (uz/Pv)

95 I always wondered, driving through southern Alabama, why someone would name a town in that particular corner of the South "Andalusia". At least they had a decent airfield there, we used to stop and get gas and free food all the time when I was still flying UH-1s and Mi-17s for the AF....

Posted by: Pave Low John at November 20, 2016 09:43 AM (OejZ/)

96 We need an anti-revoling door rule like that for the civilian agencies too

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2016 09:43 AM (2RVmA)

97 Well, Palpatine, that would be the most persistent force imaginable:

SGOVPOMs, Small groups of very pissed of morons, all motivated by someone telling them, "those guys, they stole your Valu-Rite"

Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 09:44 AM (BZCXR)

98 Just ordered Flynn's book

I heard Pence had already left

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2016 09:44 AM (2RVmA)

99 Wonderful post, OMuse. Lots of interesting things here -- thank you.

Kodos, great library! I'd love to see the rest, but I understand having to spread it out. We have two floor-to-ceiling bookshelves in the family room, same in the living room, another one in the basement classroom/music room, and bookshelves in each of the kids' rooms.

Anyone else expecting to see a guillotine in there though?

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 09:45 AM (uHcnA)

100
Blizzard yesterday; still snowing today, but not as windy.

Looks like a foot of snow on the ground, and it is still snowing.

I wonder if the snow thrower will start.

Maybe I'll scrounge up a copy of Jack London's stories from the South Pacific where it is warm, the wahine are topless (pre Christian), and there are pirates.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 20, 2016 09:45 AM (YAQEJ)

101 97. Hey, that's how we took Colomiba.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 09:46 AM (tebBw)

102 >>So I am not participating.


Votermom - Think you dodged a bullet after reading that article by former NYT journalist who revealed that the story is conceived by the editors first, then the "journalist" adds in the selected facts, people, quotes, etc. in to complete it.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2016 09:46 AM (NOIQH)

103 I always wondered, driving through southern Alabama, why someone would name a town in that particular corner of the South "Andalusia". At least they had a decent airfield there, we used to stop and get gas and free food all the time when I was still flying UH-1s and Mi-17s for the AF....
Posted by: Pave Low John at November 20, 2016 09:43 AM (OejZ/)

Yup...lots of places in lower Alabamy and NW Floriduh have Spanish roots and history. There is even an old Spanish fort somewhere near Mobile and Pcola was once a Spanish fort. So Andalusia makes sense.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 20, 2016 09:46 AM (ej1L0)

104 I heard Pence had already left
Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2016 09:44 AM (2RVmA)

He was on the way out, hence, why the scumbag faggot called for him to stay and apparently The VPE heard it from the Lobby

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2016 09:46 AM (e7PkI)

105 The cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated, should immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:18
AM (Om16U)


What is this with Democrats and their history of not letting Republicans simply attending a play?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 09:48 AM (U7dlb)

106 Votermom - Think you dodged a bullet after reading that article by former NYT journalist who revealed that the story is conceived by the editors first, then the "journalist" adds in the selected facts, people, quotes, etc. in to complete it.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2016 09:46 AM (NOIQH)

Yeah me too.

Maybe I should write a blog post about "Why I turned Down a NYT Interview"

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 09:48 AM (Om16U)

107
Hi Krebs. No go. When I said I want to use my blog name and not my real name I was told she would only interview people who let themselves be quoted by their real name.
So I am not participating.
Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 09:41 AM (Om16U)

I think you dodged a bullet, Votermom. It sounds like a subtle way to dox someone, under the guise of "journalism."

Good call.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at November 20, 2016 09:49 AM (VnCI9)

108 I wonder how much of the russian revolution could be attributed to the national prohibition nikolai enacted by ukase? Starved the treasury and made the people have to face war and life in Russia stone cold sober.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 09:49 AM (tebBw)

109 A 50% tax on all movie and stage productions should be implemented in the first 100 days, all the proceeds going to reduce the government debt, for the children.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2016 09:49 AM (GHjXJ)

110 I am fighting a cold, which is a good excuse not to go to Lutheran church this morning. So I'm happily reading the Book Thread for ideas. It's always been my tradition at Christmastime to give each person a book. I just ordered the audio set of "The Five Love Languages" by Gary Chapman for the son and his fiance. They will be driving here at Christmas and I thought an audiobook would help make the drive home to SC more enjoyable. Plus, marriage.


I also ordered "The Five Love Languages for Children" to give to my daughter. The 7 year old is starting to get girl-moody, and the middle boy has a very difficult time showing emotions. Very stoic, and won't admit to any pain, even after he had minor surgery this week. So I'm thinking the love language thing can help us all to navigate those waters.


Speaking of children, the 7 year old is a good reader and loves "chapter books" as she calls them. I am going to look at the Bobbsey Twins series and see if she can handle them now. The Bobbsey Twins were my first venture into the wonderful world of books.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 09:51 AM (dFi94)

111 108. Addendum. The Spice must flow.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 09:51 AM (tebBw)

112 45
1 Now on the second book in the Island In The Sea of Time series by S M Stirling.



Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 08:55 AM (mpXpK)



I liked that trilogy a lot

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 09:20 AM (Om16U)


After I finished my last series I decided I wanted to do that series that starts off in Oregon again but thinking about it it really starts with the Sea of Time. So I started there and that gives me six books. Aught to keep me occupied for a while.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 09:51 AM (mpXpK)

113 The other example where the victors haven't written the history ( at least to the general public) is the Spanish Civil War. To this day, Franco is worse than the devil and the communists ' Republicans' were the martyred savior of all that is right.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2016 09:51 AM (IDPbH)

114 Oregon, here's the meme for that question

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h9h8s66

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 09:51 AM (Om16U)

115 Reading, or maybe rereading "Crouching Buzzard, Leaping Loon" by Donna Andrews. She writes murder mysteries, a series featuring continuing characters who live in Virginia somewhere, I suspect it's near Charlottesville. Anyway, they are nice little stories, not great literature but I really enjoy the characters.

Bathroom book is now "Obsession" by John Douglas which came up last week or the week before. It's nearly unreadable due to Douglas's boundless egomania but I'm trying.

That's all I have going on this week. If F.N.G. reads the book thread, I added a late comment to the pet thread yesterday - I'm sure it's the last one - that you might want to check out. I've been there with a dog who has problems with other dogs.

Posted by: Tonestaple at November 20, 2016 09:52 AM (uAU0q)

116 You mentioned "Let the Right One In," which is an astonishing film, in several ways, and as I was reading I was thinking of that one, and the Dragon Tattoo series.

Dank, drab, dreary. That's my impression of Sweden. Which, maybe it's not fair to get it from modern films, but they sure don't seem to be exuding glamor anywhere else that I can see.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2016 09:52 AM (Pz4pT)

117 So I am not participating.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 09:41 AM (Om16U)


Never, never talk to the MSM. They'll just take your words and twist them to fit the narrative. Avoid them as you would a rabid dog. Which is unfair to the dog.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at November 20, 2016 09:52 AM (J8/9G)

118 The left is all in on mythology. Kinda makes sense...

Posted by: The Duke of Mish at November 20, 2016 09:52 AM (Tyii7)

119 grammie, I loved the Bobbsey Twins books. Still have all mine. My girls read them, and now they are boxed up in the attic for the eventual grandchildren.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 09:52 AM (uHcnA)

120
SGOVPOMs, Small groups of very pissed of morons, all motivated by someone telling them, "those guys, they stole your Valu-Rite"
Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 09:44 AM (BZCXR)

slightly off topic, but we had a friend who would do that. He was in Bosnia, leaving a restaurant with a bunch of French Nato soldiers inside. He met a group of Irish Nato soldiers, and told them the Frenchies were "saying terrible things about the Irish in there." He then ran off, to the sound of fisticuffs in the establishment.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at November 20, 2016 09:53 AM (VnCI9)

121 The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain
***
Claiming that Jesus was the son of God in public was a capital offense in Andalusia. Including in church at one point.

Tolerant my ass.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 09:53 AM (aZq03)

122 >>Pence should asked for a refund, not only because he is the customer and
they treated him inappropriately, but also because it's hypocritical
of them to object to him on principle, and then take his money.

Ah, the tolerant Lefty artists! I remember all the authors who felt the need to denounce W including books in his vacation reading, and the more tolerant than thou authors who would publicly refuse to attend Laura Bush's DC book festival.

We're going to have four more years of these jerks going out of their way to disrespect Trump, Pence, and anyone who vote for them.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2016 09:53 AM (NOIQH)

123 Oh, I remember my question....!!!



For the Kindle Paperwhite, I'm going to want to read books other than kindle formats. Canadian libraries have something called an e-pub format. Many of my textobooks are going to be in different formats.



I've done my research. I can convert these to Kindle format.Not a problem.



What I'm wondering is, I don't have WiFi on my computer. Is there a cable I need to hook the Kindle up to my computer to load any converted books?



Thanks so much in advance...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2016 09:54 AM (GHjXJ)

124 Speaking of tolerance, I see that my liberal acquittances are in a tizzy fit about a Muslim "registry".

They claim that the government will misuse this information to oppress those on the list.

In other news, they support a gun owner registry and it is crazy bananas to believe the government would misuse the information and oppress those on the list.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 09:54 AM (aZq03)

125 Palpatine, Colomiba is a fertilizer and manufacturing combine in Sri Lanka.

As for Colombia, well, the national sport of Colombia involves drinking cheap beer, and throwing rocks. Sometimes explosives are invloved. Its called "Tejo"

Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 09:54 AM (BZCXR)

126 71
As as an aside, 'Milledgeville' was the location of the State Mental
Institution. It was a bit of a euphemism to say that someone had been
'Sent to Milledgeville', aka 'The nervous Hospital'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2016 09:28 AM (CxB0h)



Less than an hour from my childhood home which may or may not be a coincidence.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 20, 2016 09:33 AM (bp7BU)

About 30 miles from where I grew up. My little brother went to college there.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 09:54 AM (mpXpK)

127 Far from a land of tolerance, Islamic Spain was marked by religious and therefore cultural repression in all areas of life, and by the marginalization of Christians and other groups-all this in the service of social control by autocratic rulers and a class of religious authorities.

Another aspect of al'Andalus (what the Islamic rulers called it then, and still today) is that most of the advancements and progress the area enjoyed was by non-Muslims living in the area, in a time when Islam was waning as a major cultural influence. It was becoming secularized.

Also, people like to portray Christian Europe as this backwater barbaric horror, when it actually was nothing of the sort. A truer, more accurate history of the region would be very welcome, particularly a comparison between the constant infighting and religious wars in Islam and the ones going on in the rest of Europe: very little difference. Also the advances in science and art taking place in both areas compared.

Since Muslims believe any land ever owned by a Muslim is permanently Ilsamic territory, they believe Spain and chunks of France are their still, by the way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 09:54 AM (39g3+)

128 What is this with Democrats and their history of not letting Republicans simply attending a play?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 09:48 AM (U7dlb)


Heyo!

Posted by: Zombie A. Lincoln at November 20, 2016 09:55 AM (Pz4pT)

129 Bobbsey Twins are awesome!

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 09:55 AM (Om16U)

130 116 And that's without taking the lovely foreigners they let in into considerstion.

Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2016 09:55 AM (r/0kC)

131 Just started "Season of Terror- The Espinozas in Central Colorado" by Charles Price. This is an historical account of the several month spasm of violent terror inflicted on portions of the Wet Mountains, Arkansas River Valley and the Sangre de Cristo Mountain regions of Colorado. Half-brothers Felipe and Vivian Espinoza from Costilla, NM (a few miles south of the NM/CO border) murdered as many as 32 men over a seven month span, a backwater event that was overshadowed by the height of the American Civil War. The terror ended in dramatic fashion in the fall of 1863 when frontiersman Tom Tobin rode into town and dumped the severed heads of Felipe and Vivian on the ground.


Interesting side note- one of the sheriff's deputies who incompetently (failed to) investigate my F-I-L's disappearance in Costilla County is named Espinoza. Do you believe in coincidences???

Posted by: Muldoon at November 20, 2016 09:56 AM (wPiJc)

132 My best friend died of a heart attack a few nights ago. I feel my heart
breaking. We've been friends for 36 years. He was only 58. I feel like I
have lost my brother.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at November 20, 2016 09:22 AM (S6Pax)
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Oh I'm so sorry, Bossy! 58 is so young - too young. It sounds like you had a wonderful friendship. My heart goes out to you.


Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 09:56 AM (dFi94)

133 Pence should asked for a refund, not only because he is the customer and
they treated him inappropriately
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Actually, if I was Pence I'd announce that it was rather perfect that the actor playing Burr attacked him. Burr of course killed one of the founding fathers and was a corrupt asshole just like Saint Hillary who tried to make himself King of the western territories...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 09:56 AM (aZq03)

134 Back onto books, I ordered the Penguin Galaxy editions of old sci-fi greats like Dune, The Once and Future King, Neuromancer and the Left Hand of Darkness. I love hard covers, and these are beautiful.

Like you, grammie, I think books are an integral part of Christmas. Like socks and underwear.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at November 20, 2016 09:57 AM (VnCI9)

135 El Cid propped up on his horse riding through the soldiers was a great movie ending.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2016 09:57 AM (IDPbH)

136 Makes them look like greedy little tw@ts.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 20, 2016 09:43 AM (uz/Pv)


Look like?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2016 09:57 AM (Pz4pT)

137 125. Yeah, the reason you never jeard of Colomiba is that Peruvia wiped it off the face of the map. Threatened our hobo hunting grounds and refused to trade valu rite and tentacle pron for pelts.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 09:57 AM (tebBw)

138 OM, I was late to yesterday's chess thread but wanted to thank you for the painting at the top of the post. It is simply a pleasure to look at it. I did start wondering about the tobacco mix each player might have been using.

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 09:58 AM (V+03K)

139 Stateless infidel, you can use a USB to micro-USB cable.
I am not sure if it's included.

The easiest way I think yo send books or files to your kindle is by emailing them to the special.address Amazon will give you.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 10:00 AM (Om16U)

140 That quotation about the eternal damnation of book borrowers who don't return the book should have been in the forward of that SC History Book that someone borrowed from me and never returned. That book cost an arm and leg because it is used as a college textbook here in SC (and whats up with that racket).


I often think of something I want to go back and review in that book but it is long gone.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 10:00 AM (mpXpK)

141 Also, people like to portray Christian Europe as this backwater barbaric horror, when it actually was nothing of the sort.
***
Indeed. Christian Byzantium was the most advanced region in the world, at least until Manzikert and the Muslim conquest of most of modern Turkey.

After the fall of Rome there was regression in Italy and France but they recovered, especially the former.

Spain would likely have followed the same pattern, but its conquest by Islam was devastating.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 10:00 AM (aZq03)

142 OMuse, I don't remember The Prisoner tv series, but it sounds really interesting.

It made me think of a man who used to work for my husband. Without going into specifics, he grew up in a country under a horrible, cruel leader (now deceased). This man was a member of a national sports team and thus it would appear he led a happier life than most there, but it was not the case.

The day he was telling my husband about this, he looked at my husband and said, "Just because you can see the sky doesn't mean you are free." That has stuck with me.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:00 AM (uHcnA)

143 Bobbsey Twins are awesome!

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 09:55 AM (Om16U)
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I know! And from there I went to Nancy Drew and then the Hardy Boys and then there was a little gap of "series" books until I started with Agatha Christie. To this day, I always look for an author who has a continuing series. P.D. James, Martha Grimes, Charles Todd, etc. Right now I'm on Louise Penny but she only puts out once a year.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:00 AM (dFi94)

144 Aren't those Hardy Boys books in the library picture?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 20, 2016 10:01 AM (3hIZX)

145 Oh, no, I see they're not in the big pic.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 20, 2016 10:02 AM (3hIZX)

146 Speaking of PD James - how accurate has Children of Men been?

People stop having kids
People start treating pets as substitute kids
Soft fascism comes to Europe
The fascist states depend on immigrant labor
The fascist states introduce euthanasia, aka death panels, for the old

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 10:03 AM (aZq03)

147 Like you, grammie, I think books are an integral part of Christmas. Like socks and underwear.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at November 20, 2016 09:57 AM (VnCI9)
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Oh yeah, socks! Everyone gets socks. When my sister re-married a few years ago, I gave them socks as a wedding present. I told my new BIL - you join this family, you get socks.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:03 AM (dFi94)

148 The only thing you should remember is, afaik and I may be wrong, Kindle readers like the paperwhite will render color illustrations in grayscale.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 10:03 AM (Om16U)

149 I know! And from there I went to Nancy Drew and then the Hardy Boys and then there was a little gap of "series" books until I started with Agatha Christie.
Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:00 AM (dFi94)

Did you ever read "The Three Investigators" series as a kid? They were my favorite young mystery series.

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2016 10:03 AM (7qAYi)

150 Fun fact about Andalusia - after the reconquista, a good many 'new Christians' ended up going to the new world. Wanna blame the havoc of cortez on European Christianity, do ya? Naahh, bro', the conquistadors were muzzies, bigly.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 10:04 AM (tebBw)

151 >>
Like you, grammie, I think books are an integral part of Christmas. Like socks and underwear.

Heh, yes! I always include books, underwear, and pjs as gifts under the tree!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2016 10:05 AM (NOIQH)

152
Oh yeah, socks! Everyone gets socks. When my sister re-married a few years ago, I gave them socks as a wedding present. I told my new BIL - you join this family, you get socks.
Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:03 AM (dFi94)

That is awesome.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at November 20, 2016 10:05 AM (VnCI9)

153 Nice library, Kodos.

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2016 10:05 AM (7qAYi)

154 >>>>El Cid propped up on his horse riding through the soldiers was a great movie ending.<<<<<

Always felt sorry for the horse.

"Get it off me! get it off!!!!"

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at November 20, 2016 10:05 AM (x3uSY)

155 Interesting side note- one of the sheriff's deputies
who incompetently (failed to) investigate my F-I-L's disappearance in
Costilla County is named Espinoza. Do you believe in coincidences???



Posted by: Muldoon at November 20, 2016 09:56 AM (wPiJc)
=================================

Sounds like a pile of wickedness to me.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:06 AM (dFi94)

156 139
Stateless infidel, you can use a USB to micro-USB cable.

I am not sure if it's included.



The easiest way I think yo send books or files to your kindle is by emailing them to the special.address Amazon will give you.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 10:00 AM (Om16U)


Thanks so much. I was suspecting something like that while doing my research but I needed to hear it from people I trust. I'm really looking forward to reading in bed and everywhere again.

Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again!
I'm sorry about your friend. 36 amazing years together is a nice memory to have. It's not that comforting right now, but it's still pretty amazing.

All the best to you and all his loved ones.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2016 10:06 AM (GHjXJ)

157 Thanks so much in advance...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2016 09:54 AM (GHjXJ)


There are a number of just readers out there. The Sony is no longer in production, but they are available on Amazon.
Most readers do the E-Pub format, it is like HTML for the internet and even if it is not the best, it is a standard.

There are also KOBO, Nook, and off brands as well, not just Kindle.

On Amazon they can be as low as 30 or 100 dollars depending on what you want, and if they are used.

My Sony was as simple as a brick, and had 4 buttons to control it. I used a USB cable to connect to my computer. I was deliriously happy with it for the 4 years I used it. When it died, I had another one I bought when Sony went out of business.

I don't worry so much about obsolete technology, because once upon a time it was cutting edge.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 10:06 AM (BZCXR)

158
It made me think of a man who used to work for my husband. Without going into specifics, he grew up in a country under a horrible, cruel leader (now deceased). This man was a member of a national sports team and thus it would appear he led a happier life than most there, but it was not the case.

The day he was telling my husband about this, he looked at my husband and said, "Just because you can see the sky doesn't mean you are free." That has stuck with me.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:00 AM (uHcnA)


That really puts life in perspective, doesn't it? Bless him and your husband.

Alright people, have fun. We are off to church, since hubby and I are ushering today. And yes, we are some of those rampaging Lutherans. LCMS, of course.

Posted by: Moki, deplorable mom and sammich maker at November 20, 2016 10:07 AM (VnCI9)

159 My mother grew up in Florida, was later a teacher in SC. She taught SC history and thought it funny that it was different than taught in Florida. Evil pirates from SC attacked the peaceful and noble Spanish in Florida as she was taught it.

In SC she had to teach how the noble Britishers in SC fought the evil Spanish in Florida.

Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2016 10:07 AM (stTTh)

160 All right, off to Barnes and Noble. I've got a 20% off coupon burning a hole in my wallet.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 09:41 AM (EnKk6)



That 20% coupon was much more powerful just a few days ago.

Right now, B&N is having their biannual 50% off Criterion Blu-ray/DVD Sale.

Criterion just released the mighty mighty "Lone Wolf and Cub" Japanese samurai series on blu-ray.

So 50% off then 20% off made that a stupidly easy buy.

But, apparently B&N caught onto that little trick because going in few days later with the other 20% off coupon...

*sad trombone*

the computer would no longer allow 20% off the 50% off Criterion blu-rays.


Speaking of "Lone Wolf and Cub", you may have seen the American version many years ago which Roger Corman made by splicing the first two LW&C films together.

It was called "Shogun Assassin".

Posted by: naturalfake at November 20, 2016 10:08 AM (9q7Dl)

161 I have an amazing boog collection. Would you like some photos?

Posted by: Stimpson J. Cat at November 20, 2016 10:08 AM (6NmxQ)

162 Did you ever read "The Three Investigators" series as a kid? They were my favorite young mystery series.

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2016 10:03 AM (7qAYi)
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No - I never did! Off to investigate. BTW, this is where I really appreciate Amazon. Books and book reviews. Plus free shipping. Thanks for the suggestion.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:09 AM (dFi94)

163 Without going into specifics, he grew up in a country under a horrible, cruel leader (now deceased).
***
I think one of the central aspects of living in modern authoritarian states is the need to always filter what you say. I can imagine that only gets worse when you are a high profile person not part of the political order.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 10:09 AM (aZq03)

164 grammie, my absolute favorite children's author is Elizabeth Enright. Sadly, she didn't write very many books, but the ones she did write are outstanding.

They tend to go in and out of print. I read them all from the library when I was young, and only had one that I owned. When they came back into print when my kids were younger, I bought them all in hardback so my family would always have them.

Gone Away Lake, Return to Goneaway, and the Melendy quartet, plus Thimble Summer -- these are must-reads are far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:09 AM (uHcnA)

165 Currently about a quarter of the way through Niven and Pournelle's "The Mote in God's Eye". It has been a pretty dull slog so far.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 20, 2016 10:09 AM (6n332)

166 The problem with most Americans, nearly all, is that we live in comfort, liberty, and ease, and presume that's the standard for the whole world.

Even when Americans travel, they don't see the real countries they visit. They live in luxurious hotels and resorts, they shop in markets for vacationers, and occasionally visit "quaint" (read: mid-20th century) local markets, and don't see how most people live. They see the impressive swimming pool, not the apartments.

So they see the socialist benefits without the socialist cost. They never experience the government's heavy thumb, the regulations, the restrictions, and the control.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:10 AM (39g3+)

167 Another historians' phony utopia myth is that of the Mayans. Discovered before our current age of PC, they were nevertheless described as a society living in harmony with themselves, their neighbors, and their neighbors. Why, they even sprinkled their art with images of rose petals. Except those rose petals were actually blood drops shed while torturing and murdering their sacrificial victims. Why it is that we persist in seeing other cultures as better than our own, a grass is greener on the other side of the border outlook, is unclear to me but it has exist for a long time. Gilbert and Sullivan mocked it in their operas and who knows how much further back it goes.

One thing I'll say for the Mayans; they had the most beautiful written language. I don't mean the way they arranged words into sentences and paragraphs; I mean the writing itself.

Mayan writing: https://tinyurl.com/ckluxpu

Mayan "rose petal" art: https://tinyurl.com/jykmzxb

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 20, 2016 10:10 AM (Nwg0u)

168 Off to snooze. Late lunch with the angel and her family. I always chuckle, calling that assembly of people lined up for her and her mother's and sisters' and aunts' cooking their weekly 'pho queue' to me.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 20, 2016 10:10 AM (tebBw)

169 @149 Three Investigators? They had a clubhouse in a junkyard? Had code words like yellow dog 8?

Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2016 10:10 AM (stTTh)

170 Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 10:06 AM (BZCXR)



Thanks Kindltot.


I was looking into the others a little bit. The main reason Kindle is winning out is because I already have a bunch of Kindle books I read on the computer.



Time to go. It's a very cold day in Canada and I'm taking my 90 year old father for our morning walk. He uses a walker but is in great shape, uses the computer and I'm not really worried about him until 95. I'm very blessed. As are all of you in your own ways.



All of you have a great day.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2016 10:12 AM (GHjXJ)

171 169 @149 Three Investigators? They had a clubhouse in a junkyard? Had code words like yellow dog 8?
Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2016 10:10 AM (stTTh)

Yep, that's them. Most of the books had an introduction by Alfred Hitchcock (or at least someone who was authorized to write as him )

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2016 10:12 AM (7qAYi)

172 appearances to me is that the progressive left in the US has learned the culture of hate very well. either that or followers of Islam and US progressives both behave the same way when they do not get their way. no work, loud noise, and violence that hurts everyone.

Posted by: talgus da deplorable at November 20, 2016 10:14 AM (fJQAI)

173 If anyone is looking for a Christmas theme book, try "The Christmas Cantata" by Mark Schweizer. It is part of the Liturgical mystery series but stands apart. The story is touching on its own but Schweizer demonstrates an understanding of the awesome power of music and can express it beautifully. I read it twice a year when my spririt needs uplifting.

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 10:14 AM (V+03K)

174 I think one of the central aspects of living in modern authoritarian states is the need to always filter what you say.

Exactly the utopian future the left wants for us here: censor yourself or be destroyed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:14 AM (39g3+)

175 Speaking of MacGuffins, Hitchcock said that the MacGuffin itself was unimportant (in the The Lady Vanishes, the MacGuffin was a whistled tune that was a secret code). A good example of this is the show about nothing. Seinfeld famously did shows about waiting for a table at a Chinese restaurant and angst about how somebody looked at somebody wrong.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 20, 2016 10:15 AM (Nwg0u)

176 I used to work for a large Japanese company. Their class distinction and the Borg mentality always made me feel uncomfortable. That way of thinking is cultural though. I can't imagine living someplace where you are forced to live that way under threat of penalty.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2016 10:16 AM (IDPbH)

177 "Maybe I should write a blog post about "Why I turned Down a NYT Interview"

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 09:48 AM (Om16U)"


That's a great idea.

Punch back twice as hard as a great dog-eater once said.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 20, 2016 10:16 AM (9q7Dl)

178 @171 I read all of them I think (or at least all of the ones in our school library) but had totally forgotten them until you just mentioned it.

Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2016 10:16 AM (stTTh)

179 Here's a perfect example of the "benign dictatorship" that Europeans live under.

A hotel owner refuses to house 'refugees' in his Italian hotel because he doesn't want them there and the government's 'compensation' is lower than real occupants. Plus, they tend to destroy the place.

The police show up, force him to take them, break his doors and charge him for the expense, all the while being terribly polite and calm about it. "We're just doing our jobs, following orders..."

https://youtu.be/BzZ6--p01KM

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:16 AM (39g3+)

180 My mother grew up in Florida, was later a teacher in SC. She taught SC history and thought it funny that it was different than taught in Florida. Evil pirates from SC attacked the peaceful and noble Spanish in Florida as she was taught it.

In SC she had to teach how the noble Britishers in SC fought the evil Spanish in Florida.
Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2016 10:07 AM (stTTh)


I think I was blessed, to have been taught history in a small, not wealthy, Catholic school from 1-8, and then a relatively non-prestigious Catholic high school, I do not recall any bias regarding states/sections, as many others seem to have been exposed to in their upbringing.

I do not view myself as a "southerner" or a "northerner." The Civil War, before, during and after, in particular, I think many Americans have been done a disservice by the school systems in which they were raised, and their myth-building biases.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2016 10:17 AM (Pz4pT)

181 josephistan, I have a vague recollection of the Three Investigators series, but only vague. I shall have to have a look!

I'm always on the lookout for good books for my (nonexistent and far off into the future) grandchildren. As a young adult, even before I was married I would look in used book stores for books I read as a kid but didn't own. I particularly collected Nancy Drew books as they modernized the series and the newer ones were pretty dreadful, from what I understand.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:17 AM (uHcnA)

182 reread Heinlein's starship troopers. morality in the story the complete opposite of the movie. Heinlein show what unpunished kids (never expand their I care about beyond themselves) do with their violence to others and society.
For 1959, looks pretty much like today's university students.

Posted by: talgus da deplorable at November 20, 2016 10:18 AM (fJQAI)

183 The Italian hotel owner will be paid 7 euros a night for each resident "refugee" instead of his customary 33 euros a night. And many tourists will not stay in a place that's become a refugee camp with its attendant joys like lice, fleas, disease, and violence. He can't make enough money to stay open at these costs.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:19 AM (39g3+)

184 This was a good magazine week for me. Backwoodsman, Fly Tyer, and Flyfishing and Tying Journal. Hours of pleasurable reading.

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 10:20 AM (V+03K)

185 If you're going to watch The Prisoner I suggest you watch the episodes in the order suggested by 6 of 1 (the "Prisoner Appreciation Society"). The story makes a lot more sense when viewed in that order.

Here's the wiki page that discusses the various suggested orders: http://bit.ly/2fufLfa

Posted by: Top.Man. at November 20, 2016 10:21 AM (AZIOF)

186 Bake The Cake
House The Refugees

But their side reserves the right to refuse to dress the First Lady.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 10:21 AM (Om16U)

187 Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2016 10:17 AM (Pz4pT)

I went to school in Louisiana and I don't remember any bias in favor of the South when instructed on the Civil War. I was also raised by parents from NYC so I would have been aware.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2016 10:21 AM (IDPbH)

188 OT-Just popping in with a prayer request. I start a new temporary pastoral assignment at 11:00 EST today.

Thx





Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2016 10:22 AM (tOcW/)

189 The next books I am up to read are by Dana Stabenow. She is known now for the detective series set in Alaska, featuring Kate Shugak, but she started by writing teh SF trilogy A Handful of Stars, Second Star, and Red Planet Run, which is about commercial space exploration, alien contact, and pirates.
Series was published by Ace back at the last of their fun phase, and in an interview she said that no-one seemed to read them so she did detective novels instead.
She's had success there, but I do wish she had stuck out the SF, she is good at characters and moving them around like people interacting, not just as markers to move the plot.

I lucked into the third book several years ago, and have been casting around for the first two to find out the main character, Star, wound up on Mars, with two bratty kids, in a dirigible in the first place

Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 10:22 AM (BZCXR)

190 Bulbous salutations. Here's a link some you might find interesting and mildly humorous. NSFW? (painting)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hyedhys

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2016 10:22 AM (6uMKl)

191 the computer would no longer allow 20% off the 50% off Criterion blu-rays.

20% off of 50% would make them only 30% off. You're welcome.

Posted by: Neil D'Asse Tyson at November 20, 2016 10:23 AM (7H/2n)

192 You've got it, Fenelon. God's blessings to you on your new assignment.


Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:24 AM (uHcnA)

193 Prayers up, Fenelon

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 10:24 AM (Om16U)

194 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2016 10:22 AM (tOcW/)

Best wishes and God bless, Fen.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at November 20, 2016 10:25 AM (J8/9G)

195 Please please let there be video of her meltdown on election night. please

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2016 09:02 AM (auHtY)



No! No Hillary video for you.
But they had a quality camera ready for that Jackass actor at "Hamilton".

Posted by: gNewt at November 20, 2016 10:26 AM (4ugnK)

196 Coming from a Union Territory, I went to university in the South. so of course i just HAD to take History of the Civil War. The professor was amazing, popular, and had a very good reputation. He provided a little more Southern perspective, which was good, but it did not reveal any bias or butt-hurt. His way of presenting information was to 'role play' as the major participants, pacing back and forth as he presented/debated both sides. Fascinating and effective.

Posted by: deplorablegoatexchangeforever at November 20, 2016 10:26 AM (IIQHC)

197 20% off of 50% would make them only 30% off. You're welcome.

Posted by: Neil D'Asse Tyson at November 20, 2016 10:23 AM (7H/2n)



I've been swindled!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at November 20, 2016 10:26 AM (9q7Dl)

198 20% off of 50% would make them only 30% off. You're welcome.
Posted by: Neil D'Asse Tyson at November 20, 2016 10:23 AM (7H/2n)
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Well Neil, you'd fail my math class.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:26 AM (uHcnA)

199 My favorite bug war book is not by Heinlein but by John Steakley.

Armor.

The first few chapters are some of the best of any book opening I've read.



Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2016 10:27 AM (IDPbH)

200 I was just looking on Netflix, and they have the DVD series of The Prisoner.

Did you realize they remade it in 2009? They have those DVDs too.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:27 AM (uHcnA)

201 FenelonSpoke

May God grant you blessings in further abundance.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 20, 2016 10:29 AM (u82oZ)

202 And the reviews of the remade series are horrible, although the acting is supposedly good.

Everyone says stick to the originals.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:29 AM (uHcnA)

203 I've read dozens of books written prior to the 40s referencing Palestine, (I remember as a child wondering where the hell it was) but I don't remember if they ever called the inhabitants "Palestinians"

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor #FreeCthulhu at November 20, 2016 10:29 AM (i6Bi+)

204 I am fighting a cold, which is a good excuse not to go to Lutheran church this morning. So I'm happily reading the Book Thread for ideas.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 09:51 AM (dFi94)


Heh. Sounds like you're not exactly enthralled with Lutheran worship.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:30 AM (U7dlb)

205 OT funny Trump Mitt meme

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Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 10:31 AM (Om16U)

206 Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2016 10:17 AM (Pz4pT)

I went to school in Louisiana and I don't remember any bias in favor of the South when instructed on the Civil War. I was also raised by parents from NYC so I would have been aware.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2016 10:21 AM (IDPbH)


I suspect it exists more in some areas than in others.

Probably also varies greatly from one school to another. It wouldn't be fair of me to over-generalize in that regard either. I had the experience I did, in the schools I attended, and for that reason I am grateful.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2016 10:35 AM (Pz4pT)

207 The Episcopalians used to have a Book of Common Prayer that read very much like a marriage of Shakespeare and the Bible -- "wild, full of awe, poetic and passionate." Flattening it out and toning it down into tepid expository prose (to borrow Dwight Macdonald's phrasing) was an early milestone on the denomination's road to oblivion.

Posted by: Bill Befort at November 20, 2016 10:35 AM (awbcm)

208 I was just looking on Netflix, and they have the DVD series of The Prisoner.


Did you realize they remade it in 2009? They have those DVDs too.
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Does the new one end with The Prisoner embracing his confinement and loving Big Brother?

Because I'm pretty sure that would be the only acceptable ProgTard ending.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 20, 2016 10:37 AM (0sm03)

209 The Episcopalians used to have a Book of Common Prayer that read very much like a marriage of Shakespeare and the Bible

You can still get a copy of that version, and yeah its the best. Amazing and uplifting prose, very Biblical and true. No wonder they fled it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:37 AM (39g3+)

210 I stopped watching GoT before I made it through the pilot. Three scenes of barnyard sex were enough for me. I know that this series quite popular, but I've heard its full of unlikeable characters, plus the whole thing is just kind of grimly nihilistic and pointless.

Yeah, but I'd argue so is much of life. If the pilot was too much for you, it doesn't get any better. But the writing is great, the acting is pretty good, and production is at movie quality level. Plus, I'll give extra credit to a show willing to kill off main characters--it keeps it more interesting and more realistic for the plots it sets up.

Posted by: AD at November 20, 2016 10:37 AM (31jyy)

211 Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 10:14 AM (V+03K)

Thanks for the recommendation!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor #FreeCthulhu at November 20, 2016 10:37 AM (i6Bi+)

212 shibumi, I just skimmed the first page of comments about it, but judging from that, I'd say the answer could be yes.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:38 AM (uHcnA)

213 I've had the week off from school, so I read The Sacred and The Profane, by Mircea Eliade. It's an interesting overview of his theory of religious worship. I'm working through Myth and Reality now.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 20, 2016 10:38 AM (FYrz1)

214 The cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated, should immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior

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The worm may have turned. That Hamilton incident is getting a lot of pushback.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 20, 2016 10:39 AM (Nwg0u)

215 That retched Starship Troopers movie butchered the book so bad the Heinlein estate should have sued the producers and made them change the name of the movie and remove Heinlein's name from the credits and all advertisements.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 10:39 AM (mpXpK)

216 And OMuse, I love your version of the Desiderata.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:39 AM (uHcnA)

217 Listened to Clifford D. Simak's book Mastadonia which I'd read as a kid, where a man finds a way to travel in time. So of course he and his girlfriend, a local simpleton and his dog setup a business ferrying hunters to the time of dinosaurs so they could bag T-Rexs. Well written and entertaining, seems to have held up.

Also listened to The Black Ice (Harry Bosch #2) by Michael Connelly, where Bosch investigates what looks like suicide by an undercover cop in an L.A. hotel, and of course there is a lot more to it than that. Entertaining book with a good mystery.

Read Henry VIII (All Is True), attributed to Shakespeare and John Fletcher, which is the usual Henry VIII story where his eye is caught by the beautiful young Anne Boleyn and his wife of 20 years Katherine is an encumbrance. Very good story, really good.

Read The Two Noble Kinsmen, a collaboration between Shakespeare and John Fletcher, his final work. Two young noblemen, best of friends, both fall in love with the same woman, Emilia sister of the Queen of the Amazons, and decide they must fight each other over her. The Jailer's Daughter (no name given) falls in love with one of them and goes bonkers over her unrequited love. Passable only.

Done with the Shakespeare, read all of it in 2016. Huzzah!

Posted by: waelse1 at November 20, 2016 10:40 AM (VvtlE)

218 Just started "The Craftman's Handbook", a translation of a 15th century how-to book for artists in Florence. It deals with the huge variety of tasks needed to produce art: mixing paints, prepping different media to paint on, how to make brushes and other tools, as well as how to start and complete a painting or other drawing. Fascinating stuff that adds to my appreciation of the art of the period. It provides a wonderful history lesson. And as each chapter is short, you can dip into it for a few pages and come back as time allows.

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 10:41 AM (V+03K)

219 I stopped watching GoT before I made it through the pilot. Three scenes of barnyard sex were enough for me. I know that this series quite popular, but I've heard its full of unlikeable characters, plus the whole thing is just kind of grimly nihilistic and pointless.
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Yeah, but I'd argue so is much of life. If the pilot was too much for you, it doesn't get any better. But the writing is great, the acting is pretty good, and production is at movie quality level. Plus, I'll give extra credit to a show willing to kill off main characters--it keeps it more interesting and more realistic for the plots it sets up.
Posted by: AD at November 20, 2016 10:37 AM (31jyy)


Taste and interest have to be taken into account. People endlessly swear by the series "Breaking Bad," but from the description, I'd rather watch endless reruns of The View.

I don't care how "good" it is, if the concept repulses me, I'm not going to watch.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2016 10:41 AM (Pz4pT)

220 I have long suspected this. Some time ago I watched the Swedish horror movie Let the Right One In, which featured a number of interior shots of the apartment the little boy was living in with his mother, and I was struck by how shabby it looked. It reminded me of photos I'd seen of East bloc/commie apartment complexes from the 1950s.

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Agreed! It felt very 70s to me.
Great book, btw, and the movie did do justice to it, imo.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 10:41 AM (Om16U)

221 Have been reading Wearing the Cat and thanks for the free books! About halfway through the third part, and frankly am having trouble staying with it. The first part was hysterically funny, the writing is excellent, but the whole thing just seems too long. I'm thinking, take a scalpel to it, get it down to one volume. Perhaps reading to the end will change my mind, but right now the end seems thousands of miles away.
Oh, and it's really dirty. I'm a bit of a prude anyway, and some of it's tough sledding. You younger types may not mind so much.

Posted by: Miss Sippi at November 20, 2016 10:42 AM (ByoS/)

222 I think Trump is hitting the bullies back right between the eyes.

Posted by: blaster at November 20, 2016 10:42 AM (stTTh)

223 Heh. Sounds like you're not exactly enthralled with Lutheran worship.


Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:30 AM (U7dlb)
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I know it sounds silly and dreadful, but I'm having a really hard time with it. Really. Maybe it's God's way at getting back at me for all that Dancing-While-Baptist.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:43 AM (dFi94)

224 I finished "Hard Magic" and moved on to "Spellbound". Mr. RFH tried to get me to read "Night Circus" by Erin Morganstern, which he borrowed from one of his co-workers. I couldn't get into it - the narration was...odd. Lush descriptions of the background and unimportant things like shoes, but awkward conversations and nothing of what is going on in the characters' minds. It's a New York Times bestseller, so maybe it's just me. I'd borrow it from the library if you want to go on Mr. RFH's recommendation. I gave up after 50 pages and went back to Larry Correia.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at November 20, 2016 10:43 AM (THS4q)

225 Thank you for another excellent post about books.

Posted by: Gary at November 20, 2016 10:44 AM (tr1xk)

226 208 I was just looking on Netflix, and they have the DVD series of The Prisoner.

Did you realize they remade it in 2009? They have those DVDs too.


The 2009 version with Jim Caveziel was OK, but went in a completely different direction.

The original series was far more radical, in my opinion.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:45 AM (U7dlb)

227 Yeah, but I'd argue so is much of life.

Sure, and that's why I don't care for books and movies like that. Life is awful and unlikable and unpleasant with people I don't admire in it. Why would I choose that for my entertainment as well? I read and watch movies and such to get away from those aspects of life. Each of us has our own preferences, but I have noticed that the more dreary, pointless, and awful a story is, the more critics and elites love it and call it literature.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:46 AM (39g3+)

228 212 shibumi, I just skimmed the first page of comments about it, but judging from that, I'd say the answer could be yes.
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OMG.

I was being completely sarcastic.

The only thing that makes me feel positive is that it got mixed reviews on Amazon, so perhaps the majority of the US does not want to be enslaved by Uncle Sugar just yet...

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 20, 2016 10:47 AM (0sm03)

229 I know it sounds silly and dreadful, but I'm having a really hard time with it. Really. Maybe it's God's way at getting back at me for all that Dancing-While-Baptist.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:43 AM (dFi94)


Well, how about this: can you make a deal with the Rev so that sometimes you can go to a church with worship that you're more comfortable with?

I assume he's aware of your religious background and preferences, is he not?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:47 AM (U7dlb)

230 The original series was far more radical, in my opinion.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:45 AM (U7dlb)
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And darn it, I just realized that Netflix does not actually have the original series yet - there is just an option to save it, but availability is unknown.

Think I'll give a pass to the newer ones, although I do like Jim Caveziel.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:48 AM (uHcnA)

231 Among the deficiencies of our secular society, many would argue a lesser deficiency, is that the lack of Biblical knowledge results in not being able to understand many allusions in literature. Similarly, one will fail to understand many allusions if one lacks knowledge of Greek and Roman mythology. I wonder if they still teach that.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 20, 2016 10:49 AM (Nwg0u)

232 Whee! Good book thread participation this morning, and, as a bonus, Vic can't complain about off topic posts because there have been few, if any.

So it's all good.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:49 AM (U7dlb)

233 just drop this here


https://is.gd/eYh1mz

Posted by: Bigby's Ouija Board at November 20, 2016 10:50 AM (U0lQa)

234 Amazingly enough, SNL mocks snowflakes protesting Trump's victory and their hypocrisy:

https://youtu.be/vKOb-kmOgpI

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:50 AM (39g3+)

235 232
Whee! Good book thread participation this morning, and, as a bonus, Vic
can't complain about off topic posts because there have been few, if
any.

So it's all good.


Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:49 AM (U7dlb)

Oh yes, much better than it has been. I'm happy.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 10:51 AM (mpXpK)

236 From 1889 - Christianity and Islam in Spain AD 731-1031 by C.R. Haines M.A.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15262/15262-h/15262-h.htm

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2016 10:53 AM (kJll+)

237 Re Scandinavian myth:

I'm sure most here know this one. A Scandinavian economist, chiding Milton Friedman for his free market views, said, "In Scandinavia, we have no poverty."

"That's interesting," Friedman replied, "because in America, among Scandinavians, we have no poverty either."

Posted by: JPS at November 20, 2016 10:53 AM (9ziuC)

238 Well, how about this: can you make a deal with the
Rev so that sometimes you can go to a church with worship that you're
more comfortable with?

I assume he's aware of your religious background and preferences, is he not?


Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:47 AM (U7dlb)
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Oh yes! He's very kind and accomodating about the whole thing. Once a month we go to an Evangelical Free Church in the next town. They have Saturday night services and I can put my hands in the air and everything! Also, about every 5-6 weeks I come back into Kenosha and go to my old non-denom. The one you have to have earplugs for. He totally gets it and he does enjoy the Saturday nights at Ev.Free. He really bends over backwards to make me happy. I'm very blessed.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:53 AM (dFi94)

239 The Prisoner was cutting edge genius television.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 10:53 AM (0mRoj)

240 the lack of Biblical knowledge results in not being able to understand many allusions in literature.

I agree, a lack of Biblical literacy equals a lack of comprehension of the western canon. Similarly, you need to know Greek, Roman, an Norse myths to truly appreciate the canon. For about three hundred years, allusions to Greco-Roman mythology were very common. Read them and you'll get a lot more references, titles, names, and concepts in literature that you could not before.

That's why I think the Bible should be taught in literature classes. But they're too busy jamming lesbo-radical chick lit and the grand classics of the Congo to notice anything western.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:54 AM (39g3+)

241 Is there a specific edition of The Book of Common Prayer that has the Shakespearian style writing? There are so many versions, I don't know which one to look for. Thanks.

Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2016 10:54 AM (V+03K)

242 Currently reading Atlas Shrugged. And by "reading" I mean "hacking my way through with a machete." It's an extremely wordy book but I am finding it well worth the read. So many little gems that perfectly reflect what's happening in society today.

Posted by: Dr Alice at November 20, 2016 10:55 AM (+8tiN)

243 Read Henry VIII

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I mentioned last week that I enjoyed To Say Nothing of the Dog. One of the amusing things about it is that a character is besotted with a spoiled aristocratic daughter of a country gentleman who thinks she knows it all including that they called him Henry VIII because he had eight wives.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 20, 2016 10:55 AM (Nwg0u)

244 I would comment on the quality of general school book history book texts, and especially the coverage of the civil war, but I would rather not harsh everyone's mellow and start a flame war.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 10:56 AM (mpXpK)

245 That's why I think the Bible should be taught in literature classes. But they're too busy jamming lesbo-radical chick lit and the grand classics of the Congo to notice anything western.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:54 AM (39g3+)


Agreed. You don't have to become a believer to understand and appreciate that's it's one of the most influential written works in the history of mankind.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 10:56 AM (0mRoj)

246 Currently about a quarter of the way through Niven and Pournelle's "The Mote in God's Eye". It has been a pretty dull slog so far.
Posted by: Darth Randall at November 20, 2016 10:09 AM


On the gripping hand, only three-quarters to go.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 20, 2016 10:56 AM (DMUuz)

247 244 I would comment on the quality of general school book history book texts, and especially the coverage of the civil war, but I would rather not harsh everyone's mellow and start a flame war.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 10:56 AM (mpXpK)


I think we can all agree on a general level that they suck donkey balls.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 10:56 AM (0mRoj)

248 Does the new one end with The Prisoner embracing his confinement and loving Big Brother?

Because I'm pretty sure that would be the only acceptable ProgTard ending.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 20, 2016 10:37 AM (0sm03)


No, while McGoohan's series is all but explicitly political, the 2009 remake goes in a completely different direction.

And that direction is hard to describe. Best as I can do is to say it's kind of like that 1980s movie 'Altered States.'

And personally, I think the remake was a cop-out. McGoohan was asking profound, yet relevant questions about society which the remake completely divorced itself from. McGoohan, the old school Irish Catholic, is the real radical, in my view.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:58 AM (U7dlb)

249 Well, it looks like the Bobbsey twins books and some of the other children's series mentioned here say that they are made for third grade on up. Granddaughter is second grade. I suppose I could order one and look through it myself and see if she can read it. If not, I can put it away for her summer birthday. I'd like to get her a series, but maybe it's best to start out with one or two and see how she does.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 10:58 AM (dFi94)

250 Wow is it blustery outside. I feel bad for anybody who did leaf-blowing duty earlier this week. 'Twas all for naught.

I love the smell of Barnes and Noble. Wish I could bottle it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 10:59 AM (EnKk6)

251 But they're too busy jamming lesbo-radical chick lit and the grand classics of the Congo to notice anything western.
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LOL

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:00 AM (dFi94)

252 All Hail Eris, leaf blowing is a truly Sisyphean task...

"The answer my friend is blowing in the wind."

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2016 11:01 AM (kJll+)

253 Currently reading Atlas Shrugged. And by "reading" I mean "hacking my way through with a machete." It's an extremely wordy book but I am finding it well worth the read. So many little gems that perfectly reflect what's happening in society today.
Posted by: Dr Alice at November 20, 2016 10:55 AM (+8tiN)
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I started reading it a few years back and you just made me realize that the reason I didn't get very far was that I forgot to bring my machete.

I'll have to give it another go some time. I expect to have more free time after Christmas so maybe I can get back to reading some good books then.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 11:02 AM (uHcnA)

254 251 But they're too busy jamming lesbo-radical chick lit and the grand classics of the Congo to notice anything western.
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LOL
Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:00 AM (dFi94)

Laugh all you want, but "A Tale of Two Thatched Roof Villages" was great.

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2016 11:02 AM (7qAYi)

255 grammie, A link to read online

Bobbsey Twins

http://tinyurl.com/jrullhk

Posted by: Bruce at November 20, 2016 11:02 AM (8ikIW)

256 "The answer my friend is blowing in the wind."
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And that right there is how you get a Nobel prize. BTW, did he ever pick it up?

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:02 AM (dFi94)

257 The Prisoner was a pretty surreal show to begin with, making it more so would be nearly unwatchable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:03 AM (39g3+)

258 Re: Michael Booth's "Scandinavian Utopia" book. Reading about this reminded me of a British mystery writer named Robert Barnard. He lived and taught in Sweden for many years and some of his books are based there, particularly "Death in a Cold Climate." He absolutely skewers the Scandinavian culture and economy. Well worth a read.

His books are described as "cozies," but they really aren't. If Agatha Christie and Roald Dahl had a love child these are the sort of books the kid would produce. Wickedly funny with a sharp edge of satire.

Posted by: Dr Alice at November 20, 2016 11:03 AM (+8tiN)

259 McGoohan's "The Prisoner" is available on Amazon Video.

I may binge watch it over Thxgvg weekend.

Posted by: Butch at November 20, 2016 11:03 AM (hXu8T)

260 Thank you Bruce! Maybe I can gauge it by that - I appreciate it!

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:03 AM (dFi94)

261 To follow up on that last comment I have to say that the SC History book that I griped about never being returned was an excellent book. The name of it is South Carolina - A History. It was written by Walter Edgar. However it is a college level book. And I see the price has come down some at Amazon. Only $32 now. I may go ahead and order another copy.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 11:03 AM (mpXpK)

262 ... not to go to Lutheran church this morning. So I'm happily reading the Book Thread for ideas.

grammie, as an AoSHQ two-fer (with some luck), today's Cooking Thread may have some molded jello salad recipes that provide ideas, as well.

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 20, 2016 11:04 AM (DMUuz)

263 Ayn Rand desperately needed an editor. I read The Fountainhead and skimmed large sections of it. Every time her rugged individualist hero started up on one of his seventeen-page lectures it was time to flip pages.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:04 AM (39g3+)

264 And that right there is how you get a Nobel prize. BTW, did he ever pick it up?

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:02 AM (dFi94)

I think he asked 'em to Fed-ex it.

Posted by: BignJames at November 20, 2016 11:04 AM (x9c8r)

265 Agreed! It felt very 70s to me.
Great book, btw, and the movie did do justice to it, imo.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 10:41 AM (Om16U)


Also, that kid they got to play the lead looked like the most pussified boy ever. Something about that doughy, sad face was just completely offputting to me. And when he was getting beat up by the other kids, I almost felt like egging them on.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:05 AM (U7dlb)

266 I would comment on the quality of general school
book history book texts, and especially the coverage of the civil war,
but I would rather not harsh everyone's mellow and start a flame war.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 10:56 AM (mpXpK)



I think we can all agree on a general level that they suck donkey balls.

Posted by: Insomniac
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I really am curious to see how DT plans to follow through on "bringing schools local". I assume local funding and local control but you still have a teachers ranks filled with leftists and incompetents. Moral equivalency is institutionalized in the schools. How do you fix a curriculuum when the current instructors and administrators see no problem with it?

Gonna be an interesting few years...

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 11:06 AM (zu88C)

267 Ayn Rand desperately needed an editor. I read The Fountainhead and skimmed large sections of it. Every time her rugged individualist hero started up on one of his seventeen-page lectures it was time to flip pages.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:04 AM (39g3+)


I know, right? Read a sentence or two, then skip to the end of the speech. You lose nothing.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:07 AM (U7dlb)

268 Bruce, I will look at Amazon video - thanks for the suggestion.

Thanks also for the Bobbsey Twins link! What a find.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 11:07 AM (uHcnA)

269 I wasn't real fond of the hero in The Fountainhead beating the crap out of his love interest and her loving it for his strong individualist character shocking her out of her oppressive way of life, either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:08 AM (39g3+)

270 Also, that kid they got to play the lead looked like the most pussified boy ever. Something about that doughy, sad face was just completely offputting to me. And when he was getting beat up by the other kids, I almost felt like egging them on.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:05 AM (U7dlb)

Yeah, Oskar (?). You could see why he was getting bullied.
It was a great Renfield origins story.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 11:11 AM (Om16U)

271 I know it's not a "book", but am glad to see a mention of McGoohan's "The Prisoner" miniseries from the late 60's. That captivated me as a teen at the time and has stayed with me, and yes all the DVDs and even incidental music CD's...
It's message should resonate strongly with everyone here, and is worthy of your time.
As we saw Britain go crazy installing cameras everywhere in the public space back in the 80's I expected there'd be an outcry that the place was turning into the Village, but it never came. Now everyone seems unconcerned by cameras literally everywhere and little expectation of privacy at all. Damn chilling if you ask me.

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at November 20, 2016 11:12 AM (PtuJp)

272 I've been reading Father Brown mysteries lately. My mom got three books full of short stories. They are a very odd read in most cases. Chesterton does not like linear, simple progression, he likes odd descriptions and non sequiturs leaping to various points which wrap up neatly by the end of the story.

Father Brown is a very eccentric character, not "puts tobacco in a persian slipper" eccentric but "what is going on in his mind" eccentric. He'll stop in the middle of a sentence to draw attention to a cat walking by or talk about how much he likes mittens. This always wraps into the mystery in some way, but his brain is so immensely, vastly ahead of the entire world around him that its like being a chimp talking to Einstein.

And through it all, there are Chesterton's brilliant, wise observations of culture, behavior, truth, ethics, and life.

One warning though: Chesterton is a man of his time as are we all, so some attitudes are very shocking. Father Brown is loving and caring and does not mind whoever he speaks to unless they are doing actively wicked things.

But the narration and other characters can be pretty astonishing to modern readers, such as in "The God of the Gongs in which Brown's friend and protector Fontainbleu mentions he understands why some people lynch blacks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:15 AM (39g3+)

273 Ayn Rand desperately needed an editor. I read The Fountainhead and
skimmed large sections of it. Every time her rugged individualist hero
started up on one of his seventeen-page lectures it was time to flip
page.
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Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 11:15 AM (zu88C)

274 Muslim and Swede paradise is really not so tolerant at all, unless tolerating only blind obedience is the Newspeak for "tolerance".

Listening to Stefan Molyneux on Bannon, he stated it is absolute that spanking is harmful to kids. All studies prove it beyond doubt, he claimed.

I glanced only briefly at his evidence, and it seemed more of a "more than zero correlation" kind of thing. As we know with global warming, these studies can be manipulated, even more so in something dealing with psychology. Academia, it seems to me, has a very leftist bias on this subject. "Timeouts" or withholding privileges became preferred methods for many, and may be best, I don't know.

The type "rod" I'd learned of (long ago) was a wooden spoon used mostly for "getting attention" to reprove the bad behavior, followed quickly with confirmation of love for the child. I don't have kids, but am curious whether "spanking" has been absolutely ruled to be "abuse" or harmful in the long term. I was surprised to hear Stefan say "the science is settled".

Or is that another myth?

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2016 11:16 AM (LhGBu)

275 That's why I think the Bible should be taught in
literature classes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:54 AM (39g3+)

I had an English instructor who used the King James Bible to teach grammar.

Archaic constructions, but the grammar was perfect. Great stuff.

And....the Bible is a rollicking good story. So there's that....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2016 11:16 AM (42Mgr)

276 As we saw Britain go crazy installing cameras everywhere in the public space back in the 80's I expected there'd be an outcry that the place was turning into the Village, but it never came.p

Yeah, the blase attitude toward the host of cameras everywhere among the British is truly bizarre, for a people usually so fiercely defensive about their liberties (and yes, they are, or were in the past at least). They just seem to think its a reasonable part of life.

And its made their cops lazy as hell. I watched several documentaries about British police work and most of it is "check the cameras and wait until you see them again, then go get them."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:17 AM (39g3+)

277 "I read Bill O'Reilly's 'Killing the Rising Sun' yesterday. I have enjoyed all the 'killing' books but this one was very good."

Uh, including the one in which Billo asserts, in defiance of all factual evidence and contemporaneous accounts, that Reagan was crippled by senile dementia during his last years in office?

The years during which Reagan was negotiating one on one with Mikhail Gorbachev, who noticed no such diminution in Reagan's capacities?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2016 11:18 AM (noWW6)

278 Ayn Rands novels show why she was a wonderful essayist.

Posted by: Bigby's Ouija Board at November 20, 2016 11:18 AM (U0lQa)

279 274 I was surprised to hear Stefan say "the science is settled".

Or is that another myth?


Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2016 11:16 AM (LhGBu)

Any time you hear a so-called expert on any subject say "the science is settled" you know first off that they are not a scientist and second off that they are incompetent. Science, by its very definition, is never "settled. However hoaxes and phony "science" can be permanently settled. Most of the time in short order.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 11:21 AM (mpXpK)

280 I really am curious to see how DT plans to follow through on "bringing schools local". I assume local funding and local control but you still have a teachers ranks filled with leftists and incompetents. Moral equivalency is institutionalized in the schools. How do you fix a curriculuum when the current instructors and administrators see no problem with it?

Gonna be an interesting few years...
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 11:06 AM (zu88C)


I agree, there is an ideological and structural problem with our school system that can't be solved just by getting the Feds' nose out of it. It's a start, though.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:21 AM (0mRoj)

281 204 I am fighting a cold, which is a good excuse not to go to Lutheran church this morning. So I'm happily reading the Book Thread for ideas.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 09:51 AM (dFi94)

Heh. Sounds like you're not exactly enthralled with Lutheran worship.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 10:30 AM (U7dlb)
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I am reminded of the Lake Wobegon radio program "Lutheran Whispers" with its severely tamped down celebrations of our savior.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 11:22 AM (EnKk6)

282 I read the "Killing" books as more historical fiction than actual fact. I can enjoy them more that way.

Posted by: Abby at November 20, 2016 11:22 AM (HBU7W)

283 That's why I think the Bible should be taught in

literature classes.

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Maybe there is a way American education can be fixed. A Great Book UnBanning. Restore Classics. Revert Environmental Science to Geology, Astronomy, Cartography. Revert Social Studies to History. Get 'Social' anything out of the classroom.

Let 'em read and think.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 11:25 AM (zu88C)

284 Speaking of schools, ny post is reporting that Melania & Barron will stay in Trump Tower after the inauguration.
They said Melania does not want to disrupt Barron' s life anymore than it is.
Probably a smart decision as a mom, and after all the politicians who treat kids as political props how great to see a mom put the kid first.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 20, 2016 11:25 AM (Om16U)

285 but I don't remember if they ever called the inhabitants "Palestinians"
***
The Romans renamed the province after conquering it and the term stuck for the land.

The people there though would be called "Jews" or "Arabs" or "Turks" (before WWI) I would imagine prior to PC.

The last time there were independent realms in the area, not counting the Crusader States, they were Israel and Judah.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 11:25 AM (aZq03)

286 I think another way of looking at more conservative and restrained worship services is that they appeal to people who are more introverted, less emotionally demonstrable, and more reserved. Most Northern Europeans fall into that category.

For some folks like me, exuberance and hand lifting and jumping about is very distracting from the main point of the service: God and the word. For others, its an expression of personal feeling and worship.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:25 AM (39g3+)

287 It reminded me of photos I'd seen of East bloc/commie apartment complexes from the 1950s.
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Europe is *poor*

It doesn't get talked about much, since it doesn't help the narrative, but salaries are much lower and prices are much higher. And *then* you add in the crushing taxes.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 11:27 AM (aZq03)

288 As we saw Britain go crazy installing cameras everywhere in the public space back in the 80's I expected there'd be an outcry that the place was turning into the Village, but it never came. Now everyone seems unconcerned by cameras literally everywhere and little expectation of privacy at all. Damn chilling if you ask me.

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at November 20, 2016 11:12 AM (PtuJp)


I agree. Also, there's the bullying by their increasingly cantankerous Muslim minority that's slowly being ratcheted up year by year that the British are being told by their overlords to put up with and shut up. You'd think there'd be a general outcry over the loss of their "rights as Englishmen", but no, they just keep their heads down and say nothing as their country is being taken from them.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:28 AM (U7dlb)

289 287
It doesn't get talked about much, since it
doesn't help the narrative, but salaries are much lower and prices are
much higher. And *then* you add in the crushing taxes.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 11:27 AM (aZq03)

The crushing taxes is why it is poor.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 11:28 AM (mpXpK)

290 thanks Vic ... to be clear, he didn't say directly "science is settled", which I put in quotes as a summary. He did say Bannon believed in it at the time, and went on to in essence say that Bannon was wrong/uninformed, absolutely.


Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2016 11:29 AM (LhGBu)

291 It doesn't get talked about much, since it doesn't help the narrative, but salaries are much lower and prices are much higher. And *then* you add in the crushing taxes.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2016 11:27 AM (aZq03)


I suspect much of that poverty is *caused* by those crushing taxes.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:29 AM (U7dlb)

292 "The Prisoner was a pretty surreal show to begin with, making it more so would be nearly unwatchable."

One reason for the extremely weird finale was that McGoohan (who was not merely starring but also producing) had been told he should go ahead and prepare for a second season of production, but then the plug was pulled by the network brass at the very last minute.

The script for the final first season episode, already written to set up a cliffhanger to bridge into season two, was abruptly shitcanned, and McGoohan personally wrote the series finale script in only a few hours' time.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2016 11:29 AM (noWW6)

293 278 Ayn Rands novels show why she was a wonderful essayist.
Posted by: Bigby's Ouija Board at November 20, 2016 11:18 AM (U0lQa)


Yes, and I strongly recommend reading her essays. They're much more convenient and bite-sized compared to her novels.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 20, 2016 11:29 AM (sdi6R)

294 Well, and regulations and government's near-total interference with the market. Its bad here, its almost overwhelming there. All of that constantly drives prices up.

The only way people can survive over there is by having "government pay" for nearly everything else, so they can manage to afford food and necessities.

Europe never really had capitalism or liberty. They just changed how their feudalism looks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:30 AM (39g3+)

295 I agree. Also, there's the bullying by their increasingly cantankerous Muslim minority that's slowly being ratcheted up year by year that the British are being told by their overlords to put up with and shut up. You'd think there'd be a general outcry over the loss of their "rights as Englishmen", but no, they just keep their heads down and say nothing as their country is being taken from them.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:28 AM (U7dlb)

"socialism makes for bad citizens" - Margaret Thatcher

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2016 11:31 AM (7qAYi)

296 I agree, there is an ideological and structural problem with our school system that can't be solved just by getting the Feds' nose out of it. It's a start, though.
Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:21 AM (0mRoj)


Exactly. Not sure what to do about the teachers colleges, which are cranking out little assembly-line robots who tow the progressive party line 100%

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:32 AM (U7dlb)

297 How do you fix a curriculum when the current instructors and administrators see no problem with it?

The school board says, "hey, you're fired".

Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2016 11:32 AM (9mTYi)

298 Yeah, the blase attitude toward the host of cameras everywhere among the British is truly bizarre, for a people usually so fiercely defensive about their liberties (and yes, they are, or were in the past at least). They just seem to think its a reasonable part of life.
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Christopher, this, and your point about the cops, really came home to me when my husband and I watched "The Last Detective" series (starring Peter Davison, who was terrific in both this and the Campion series).

In one of the episodes, they were able to show an individual was lying because the ubiquitous cameras showed his car at places other than where he said he was at those times. It made me flinch.

That series is well worth seeing, by the way. We got it on DVD from Netflix. It's never been shown on American tv.



Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 11:32 AM (uHcnA)

299 For anyone who expects to have "special snowflake" guests for Thanksgiving, I would recommend Miss Manners' Guide to Rearing Perfect Children by Judith Martin, available on Amazon.

Remember that one of Jackie Kennedy's most important appointments was Letitia Baldrige to be her Social Secretary.

Posted by: MachiasPrivaeer at November 20, 2016 11:32 AM (EMi53)

300 I don't have kids, but am curious whether "spanking" has been absolutely
ruled to be "abuse" or harmful in the long term. I was surprised to
hear Stefan say "the science is settled".

Or is that another myth?
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The Collective Hive Mind of the Ivory Tower have proclaimed many myths to be undeniable facts.

About 3 days of real-world experience as a parent proves this one to be right up there between ZOMG AGW and Alien Lizard People.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 11:33 AM (zu88C)

301 There are books after books explaining how and why crushing taxes in an effort to redistribute wealth has simply never worked and always in the end destroy the economies of the nations that it was supposed to save.


Frederic Hayek, Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell are good places to start.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 20, 2016 11:33 AM (mpXpK)

302 For kids -- 'Boxcar Children' is a series as well, and I loved them. Have a couple stray volumes of a very old series following 'Honey Bunch'. One of the funnier things my kids did when they were in elem school was to bring in a bound volume of 'St Nicholas Magazine' for show and tell. Amazing what was required in the bad old days.

A sweet and very, very good choir director I had at one point used the descriptor 'bouncy' for an old Southern hymn we were doing. I guess he never heard of 'soul'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 20, 2016 11:34 AM (MIKMs)

303 Miss Manners is my spirit animal.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 11:35 AM (uHcnA)

304 The type "rod" I'd learned of (long ago) was a wooden spoon used mostly for "getting attention" to reprove the bad behavior, followed quickly with confirmation of love for the child. I don't have kids, but am curious whether "spanking" has been absolutely ruled to be "abuse" or harmful in the long term. I was surprised to hear Stefan say "the science is settled".

Or is that another myth?
Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2016 11:16 AM (LhGBu)

Hadn't heard him say this, so don't know. A swat or two is one thing, taking our your anger and frustration on your kid and leaving them a sobbing mess on the floor is another altogether.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:35 AM (0mRoj)

305 The entire point behind the huge influx of "immigrants and refugees" from Muslim countries is the failure of the socialist state. They don't have enough workers paying taxes so the are trying to import them from a culture that prizes sloth and holds work in contempt.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:36 AM (39g3+)

306 I am reminded of the Lake Wobegon radio program "Lutheran Whispers" with its severely tamped down celebrations of our savior.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 11:22 AM (EnKk6)
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Severely. Last week we sang a hymn (well, nobody really sings) a hymn written in 1292. Twelve frikkin ninety two. I told Rev - you've got to be kidding me here. Throw me a bone once and a while. Look - there in the hymnal - "Crown Him With Many Crowns". I'm not one to jump up and down over hymns, but gee whiz, at least this is something I can actually sing!

/evangelical rant over. Back to books.

I looked at the wonderful link Bruce provided for reading the Bobbsey Twins online. I think I'll hold off on that for a bit. Lots of wordiness for a 7 year old. What struck me in reading the beginning page is they refer to "their colored maid, Dinah - whose real name was Mrs. Sam Johnson, but they just called her Dinah." Really.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:36 AM (dFi94)

307 One reason for the extremely weird finale was that McGoohan (who was not merely starring but also producing) had been told he should go ahead and prepare for a second season of production, but then the plug was pulled by the network brass at the very last minute.

The script for the final first season episode, already written to set up a cliffhanger to bridge into season two, was abruptly shitcanned, and McGoohan personally wrote the series finale script in only a few hours' time.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2016 11:29 AM (noWW6)


I have never heard this. I had heard that McGoohan originally wanted a 6-7 part miniseries, then when the show became successful, the powers-that-be got him to stretch it to 10, which he didn't really want to do, then again to 17 and it was like pulling teeth to get him to go that far. I had never heard they had scheduled a second season.

There's got to be some place I can read about this.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:36 AM (U7dlb)

308 >>I agree. Also, there's the bullying by their increasingly cantankerous Muslim minority that's slowly being ratcheted up year by year that the British are being told by their overlords to put up with and shut up. You'd think there'd be a general outcry over the loss of their "rights as Englishmen", but no, they just keep their heads down and say nothing as their country is being taken from them.

Brexit was in large part a reaction to the loss of British culture, not just through membership in the EU but by uncontrolled and unassimilated immigrants. Brexit was a warning shot, Trump was a full blown nuclear strike.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2016 11:36 AM (/tuJf)

309 About 60 years ago my Dad got fired for insisting on teaching the Bible in his civics class (public school). He spent a lot of time studying Reinhold Niebuhr, who wrote things like "Moral Man and Immoral Society".

I never knew him well enough to find out exactly what he was trying to push, but certainly there could be some great things learned from the Bible, combined with common law, on why our civic rights and constitution developed as they did. (and how the "commies" now systematically dismantle our rights)

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2016 11:38 AM (LhGBu)

310 Exactly. Not sure what to do about the teachers colleges, which are cranking out little assembly-line robots who tow the progressive party line 100%
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:32 AM (U7dlb)

That is indeed a big problem. I think one way to address this on the local level is by changing hiring practices. Start hiring subject matter experts and train them on pedagogical methods instead of hiring left-wing dumbasses with education degrees and the tide might start turning. If there's no more demand for these wankers, then perhaps the supply - or at least the nature of the supply - will begin to change. The Feds also need to get the fuck out of the school loan/grant business, which would also help to weed out non-hackers.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:39 AM (0mRoj)

311 Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 10:09 AM (uHcnA)

You're just about the only other person I've seen recommend her, and she is one of my all time favorite authors.

I've worn out two sets of the quartet as an adult!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor #FreeCthulhu at November 20, 2016 11:39 AM (i6Bi+)

312 Hadn't heard him say this, so don't know. A swat or two is one thing, taking our your anger and frustration on your kid and leaving them a sobbing mess on the floor is another altogether.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:35 AM (0mRoj)


Exactly right, which is why all of the instruction/advice material I've read on physical discipline always stresses that you *never* just start whaling on your child out of anger. If you're angry, you deal with your anger first, and only *then* you can consider how best to apply discipline.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:40 AM (U7dlb)

313 Last week we sang a hymn (well, nobody really sings) a hymn written in 1292. Twelve frikkin ninety two.

If its well written and has great words, what difference does it make how old it is? I've noticed most if not almost all of the "contemporary" Christian music was written decades ago, sometimes 40 years or more. If its good, its good, regardless of its age. If its bad, its bad, old or new. Lots of terrible stuff was written 800 years ago, but didn't survive to reach us. Most of the songs from the late 1800s sung in church are frankly terrible emotionalistic glop like "In The Garden" which is basically a song about your boyfriend who happens to be Jesus. But there were some great songs then too.

Same with today; Majesty is a great song, but there's a lot of terrible stuff out there, too. My attitude has always been about the words, how appropriate the music is to the words and setting, and what the whole package says, not age or how much I like it.

I like a lot of music I'd never sing in church.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:40 AM (39g3+)

314 Oh, and Kodos the Executioner, your library is awesome!

And so very tidy.

Jealous on both counts!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor #FreeCthulhu at November 20, 2016 11:41 AM (i6Bi+)

315 A swat or two is one thing, taking our your anger
and frustration on your kid and leaving them a sobbing mess on the floor
is another altogether.

Posted by: Insomniac
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Yeah abuse is pretty much the polar opposite of spanking. It's abusive but more analytically, it accomplishes the opposite of what it intends. Discipline must have a positive outcome which includes repentance, punishment, forgiveness and restoration.

The Bible is the best parenting instruction manual. Especially when you figure out who the real parent and children are.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 11:42 AM (zu88C)

316 I think one way to address this on the local level is by changing
hiring practices. Start hiring subject matter experts and train them on
pedagogical methods instead of hiring left-wing dumbasses with
education degrees
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THIS. You do not need to know anything about your subject matter if you are an elementary school teacher. You need to know how to decorate a bulletin board for the "Winter Holiday", how to keep classroom order (ie make boys shut up), how to herd groups of 22 cats, and how to run the computer equipment so as to not have to actually teach children face to face.


Once I asked a math teacher ( who wasn't a math major) how she was able to teach math. She told me it was no problem, everything was written by the publishers in the margins of her math book.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:44 AM (dFi94)

317 I guess I should have linked to Stefan saying this. Most of the video is defending Bannon against unfair charges. At 55:25 or so he claims spanking is proven to be "bad", and says it is leaving kids in daycare is the real problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI0aAVh0dJct=1748s

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2016 11:44 AM (LhGBu)

318 I'm trying to remember all of the books my teachers read us in school. It seems like there was a Boxcar kids book in there. I mentioned Half Magic a couple weeks ago here, that was pretty fun. I think we had Charlotte's Web read to us, but I'd already read that with my mom.

Standout memory: trying to figure out how to read the word "Plymouth." In the rules of English, that word is ply-mouth, but the word is said "plimmoth." Very confusing to little me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:44 AM (39g3+)

319
If its well written and has great words, what difference does it make how old it is?
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It was horrid. Horrid with a capital Horrid.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:45 AM (dFi94)

320 A lot of good drinking songs were made in to hymns, because why should the Devil have all the good music.

Posted by: navybrat at November 20, 2016 11:45 AM (w7KSn)

321 You're just about the only other person I've seen recommend her, and she is one of my all time favorite authors.

I've worn out two sets of the quartet as an adult!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor #FreeCthulhu at November 20, 2016 11:39 AM (i6Bi+)
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Fistbump, Tammy! I'm always recommending her to moms in my homeschool group who are looking for good books for their kids. Besides the excellent writing, she incorporates a lot of things such as natural history, literature (remember Mona's Shakespeare fascination?), music, etc.

I've reread them countlessly as an adult too. Might be time for another rereading.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 11:46 AM (uHcnA)

322 Went to the Mercer Island Thrift Store yesterday with the hopefully future girlfriend and our daughters after swimming for a couple hours and hitting a my favorite sushi joint in Bellevue and picked up, for 9 total dollars:

1. A translation of Beowulf by Seamus Heaney;

2. Keep the Aspidistra Flying by Orwell;

3. A Begged in Jerusalem by Elle Diesel;

4. Dante's Inferno; and

5. The Club Dumas, a mystery by Arturo Perez-Reverte.

Book nerd, thy name is Sharkman!

PS: Daughter's blind 4 year old yellow lab Dash ate the entire two pound ham bone in 15 minutes. Bone and all. I'm a little worried about that but the ex hasn't called me screaming about the Hound yet so I assume he's okay. He sure was happy!

Yesterday was a great day.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 20, 2016 11:46 AM (HD13q)

323 At 55:25 or so he claims spanking is proven to be "bad", and says it is leaving kids in daycare is the real problem.

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Apples and oranges.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 11:46 AM (zu88C)

324 One of my favorite Ayn Rand essays is "Apollo and Dionysus" which compares and contrasts Apollo 11 with Woodstock. It's hard to believe, but they occurred just three weeks apart in the summer of 1969.

She has several volumes of essays. They've been repackaged and retitled over the years, but you should be able to find them in the philosophy section.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 20, 2016 11:47 AM (sdi6R)

325 because why should the Devil have all the good music.

Posted by: navybrat at November 20, 2016 11:45 AM (w7KSn)
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God bless Larry Norman.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:47 AM (dFi94)

326 THIS. You do not need to know anything about your subject matter if you are an elementary school teacher. You need to know how to decorate a bulletin board for the "Winter Holiday", how to keep classroom order (ie make boys shut up), how to herd groups of 22 cats, and how to run the computer equipment so as to not have to actually teach children face to face.


Once I asked a math teacher ( who wasn't a math major) how she was able to teach math. She told me it was no problem, everything was written by the publishers in the margins of her math book.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:44 AM (dFi94)

I think you can get away with this to an extent on the elementary school level, provided that the teacher can demonstrate they have the ability to do the work on their own. It's sad to think that some of them might not be able to. Elementary grade math is something every adult should be able to perform. Hell, even I can do it and I'm math-phobic, although education has changed a lot for the worse even since I was in elementary school. Middle school and high school are a somewhat different story, once you get into pre-algebra and above.

Am I making sense?

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:48 AM (0mRoj)

327 Thanks. The Bard and the Bible sounds like a perfect gift for a friend who pre annotates her calendar with quotations for each day. She also is a former nun, and a former English teacher and conversationally quotes both the Bard and the Bible with great ease.

Nothing to report reading wise. Unsettled. Thinking of re reading The Brothers Karamazov.

Posted by: gracepc at November 20, 2016 11:48 AM (OU4q6)

328 That is indeed a big problem. I think one way to address this on the local level is by changing hiring practices. Start hiring subject matter experts and train them on pedagogical methods instead of hiring left-wing dumbasses with education degrees and the tide might start turning.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:39 AM (0mRoj)


I think this is a great idea. But a yuuge obstacle to this, of course, will be the teachers' unions who will go absolutely apeshit if you anyone ever even breathes the suggestion to hire outside the guild. But I think this is a "national conversation" we need to have, that is, do you really need an advanced degree in order to teach grade school? Of course the answer is no, but getting most people to see this obvious answer is going to take some doing.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:48 AM (U7dlb)

329 Most of the songs from the late 1800s sung in church are frankly terrible emotionalistic glop like "In The Garden" which is basically a song about your boyfriend who happens to be Jesus.
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Never heard of this song, but this sentence made me laugh.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 11:49 AM (uHcnA)

330 because why should the Devil have all the good music.
Posted by: navybrat at November 20, 2016 11:45 AM (w7KSn)
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God bless Larry Norman.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:47 AM (dFi94)


Actually, I believe it was Martin Luther (heh) who said this.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:49 AM (U7dlb)

331 Am I making sense?

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:48 AM (0mRoj)
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I dunno. Is that a requirement here? If so I'm in big trouble.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:50 AM (dFi94)

332 Have you seen the Amazon commercial with the imam and a priest?

Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2016 11:50 AM (r/0kC)

333 I've noticed that a lot of pastors have little to no knowledge of music and pick songs based on their titles or words to match the sermon and text of the service. Its a sad lack for a minister of the gospel to not also understand music well enough to regulate what the "worship committe" does and choose material for the service.

A translation of Beowulf by Seamus Heaney

I've been long looking for a good, readable, prose version of Beowulf to enjoy. The movie was okay but I couldn't get past the naked dude fight for like 20 minutes in the start of the film. Its probably accurate for the story but really? He couldn't at least have some underwear on?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:50 AM (39g3+)

334 Actually, I believe it was Martin Luther (heh) who said this.


Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:49 AM (U7dlb)
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Yeah but his hair wasn't as pretty.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:50 AM (dFi94)

335 320 A lot of good drinking songs were made in to hymns, because why should the Devil have all the good music.
Posted by: navybrat at November 20, 2016 11:45 AM (w7KSn)

I've listened to a lot of Christian - and very much NON Christian - music over the years. By and large, popular/contemporary Christian music sucks, with the exception of a couple of alt-rock and metal bands. My theory is that because it's a captive niche audience the musicians don't have to be that good or work that hard to get their records produced and sold.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:51 AM (0mRoj)

336 332 Have you seen the Amazon commercial with the imam and a priest?
Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2016 11:50 AM (r/0kC)
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Do they walk into a bar?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 11:51 AM (EnKk6)

337 One of my favorite Ayn Rand essays is "Apollo and Dionysus" which compares and contrasts Apollo 11 with Woodstock. It's hard to believe, but they occurred just three weeks apart in the summer of 1969.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 20, 2016 11:47 AM (sdi6R)


I should go back and re-read this. I remember liking it very much when I first read it many years ago.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:51 AM (U7dlb)

338 Yeah but his hair wasn't as pretty.
Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:50 AM (dFi94)


Maybe not, but he could probably drink more than Norman and still remain standing.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:53 AM (U7dlb)

339 But I think this is a "national conversation" we need to have, that is, do you really need an advanced degree in order to teach grade school?

Given that millions home school their kids and they usually turn out with better educations than the kids going through public schools... clearly not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:53 AM (39g3+)

340 Middle school and high school are a somewhat different story, once you get into pre-algebra and above.

Am I making sense?
Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:48 AM (0mRoj)
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Yes, and I agree. Sometimes there are different ways to tackle problems, and you might need to explain a couple of them in order to get it to click with the kids.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 11:53 AM (uHcnA)

341 336 No they gift each other with knee pads.I'm not kidding.

Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2016 11:53 AM (r/0kC)

342 IMHO opinion , the ones who would ban spanking are like any other totalitarians. Just another Boomer responsibility avoidance tactic. "I don't want to do this therefore no one SHOULD do this."

I wonder what percentage of the military units who fought and won WWII were spanked. Gonna guess high 90s.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 11:53 AM (zu88C)

343 I've listened to a lot of Christian - and very much
NON Christian - music over the years. By and large,
popular/contemporary Christian music sucks, with the exception of a
couple of alt-rock and metal bands. My theory is that because it's a
captive niche audience the musicians don't have to be that good or work
that hard to get their records produced and sold.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:51 AM (0mRoj)
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I think a lot of that is changing. There's a program I listen to on Sunday nights called "Faith on Record", It's Christian songs from the 70s', 80's and 90's. With a few exceptions, it's absolute dreck. It's embarassing to listen to even when you're alone. I listen just because I like to remember how bad it was. Also, I know some of those artists in real life.

The contemporary music today is at a whole other level.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:56 AM (dFi94)

344 The tradition of stealing or borrowing tavern music goes back hundreds of years. At least 500 years.
The church had admonitions against certain types of chords and intervals, like the tritone and the dominant seventh chord. These were said to contain the Devil in music.
Barrooms and taverns had no problems with these.
Later, the church admitted that their music was, well, boring.

Posted by: navybrat at November 20, 2016 11:56 AM (w7KSn)

345 Most of the songs from the late 1800s sung in church are frankly terrible emotionalistic glop like "In The Garden" which is basically a song about your boyfriend who happens to be Jesus.
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Never heard of this song, but this sentence made me laugh.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 11:49 AM (uHcnA)


Years ago, I found a hymn database online (I forget where), and it had both this drippy, feelz hymn, and a photo of the guy who wrote it, and I marveled that he looked exactly as I would expect.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:56 AM (U7dlb)

346 I think this is a great idea. But a yuuge obstacle to this, of course, will be the teachers' unions who will go absolutely apeshit if you anyone ever even breathes the suggestion to hire outside the guild. But I think this is a "national conversation" we need to have, that is, do you really need an advanced degree in order to teach grade school? Of course the answer is no, but getting most people to see this obvious answer is going to take some doing.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:48 AM (U7dlb)

Agree on all points. The guild exists to protect the guild, not the quality of education. The requirements and barriers to teaching are mostly idiotic and have nothing to do with the capability and disposition of the teacher. I could easily teach just about any grade school subject, and would probably kick ass teaching high school speech, debate, English or civics based on my education, experience, background and obsession with politics. However, I probably couldn't get hired because I don't have the magic education degree. Plus, I don't think I could put up the bullshit for more than a week.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:56 AM (0mRoj)

347 I have just started Camille Paglia's "Break Blow Burn" focusing on 43 poems. I enjoyed her book "Glittering Images" very much. Paglia is certainly capable of spouting nonsense - however, she understands that academics should celebrate and study the great accomplishments of Western Civ instead shitting on it and trying to tear them down.

I am looking forward to hearing what she has to say about the election. She wrote a pretty admiring profile of Trump a while back, which made the leftists at Salon go into convulsions. (She is on the left, but likes Trump's alpha maleness, although she worried about his positions and lack of experience. And she absolutely detests the Clintons.)



Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 20, 2016 11:56 AM (P8951)

348 I dunno. Is that a requirement here? If so I'm in big trouble.
Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:50 AM (dFi94)

I think we're all in big trouble, dear grammie.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:57 AM (0mRoj)

349 341 336 No they gift each other with knee pads.I'm not kidding.
Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2016 11:53 AM (r/0kC)
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Okay I just YouTubed it. Hmmmm....

*types*
*deletes*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 11:57 AM (EnKk6)

350 I just finished reading the second draft of the script of John Carpenter's The Thing, one of my favorite movies of all time. Adapted by Bill Lancaster, son of Burt. Very interesting.

It has scenes and dialogue that didn't make it into the movie, and is missing scenes that Carpenter penned ad hoc out of thematic necessity.

I actually like reading plays, movies, etc. in script format, especially when it is familiar source material.

Posted by: Gem at November 20, 2016 11:57 AM (uaHyk)

351 336 No they gift each other with knee pads.I'm not kidding.
Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2016 11:53 AM (r/0kC)


*Knee pads?* For what!?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:58 AM (U7dlb)

352 By and large, popular/contemporary Christian music sucks, with the exception of a couple of alt-rock and metal bands.

Usually, but not always, its a crappy knockoff of existing secular music with Christianish words in it. Often the words aren't even expressly Christian, but are simply religious in some vague way. So you get not only poor music, but poor teaching and religion.

I remember when I was going to a church in the 70s and they sang "My Sweet Lord" by George Harrison as a chorus. I'm not making this up. I guess they missed the part where he chants:

My, my, my Lord (hare krishna)
My sweet Lord (hare krishna)
My sweet Lord (krishna krishna)
My Lord (hare hare)
Hm, hm (Gurur Brahma)
Hm, hm (Gurur Vishnu)
Hm, hm (Gurur Devo)
Hm, hm (Maheshwara)
My sweet Lord (Gurur Sakshaat)
My sweet Lord (Parabrahma)
My, my, my Lord (Tasmayi Shree)
My, my, my, my Lord (Guruve Namah)
My sweet Lord (Hare Rama)
My sweet Lord (hare krishna)
My sweet Lord (krishna krishna)
My Lord (hare hare)

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:58 AM (39g3+)

353 One of my favorite Ayn Rand essays is "Apollo and Dionysus"

Thanks, found it easily (aynrand.org) and it's interesting.

Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2016 11:58 AM (/cksx)

354 The contemporary music today is at a whole other level.
Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 11:56 AM (dFi94)

Interesting. I haven't listened to any in quite a while, largely because the overwhelming majority of it that I heard over time was indeed dreck.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 11:59 AM (0mRoj)

355 351 336 No they gift each other with knee pads.I'm not kidding.
Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2016 11:53 AM (r/0kC)

*Knee pads?* For what!?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:58 AM (U7dlb)

Roller skating. A perfectly innocent activity.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 12:00 PM (0mRoj)

356 I think this is a great idea. But a yuuge obstacle
to this, of course, will be the teachers' unions who will go absolutely
apeshit if you anyone ever even breathes the suggestion to hire outside
the guild. But I think this is a "national conversation" we need to
have, that is, do you really need an advanced degree in order to teach
grade school? Of course the answer is no, but getting most people to see
this obvious answer is going to take some doing.


Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:48 AM (U7dlb)
=====My local elementary school is near several international science research parks. They had a lot of PhDs teaching -- some with subject matter masters. It was literally the only way to keep up with the immigrant parents with advanced degrees stuck out in the middle of nowhere in the 90s. My eldest is 30 and it is hard for people to imagine just how blessed we were at the time with practical knowledge and enthusiasm, even at the elementary level. High School had to give up valedictorian because there was no way to score some of these kids -- after the 5th decimal point tie of 20 kids, they gave up.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 20, 2016 12:00 PM (MIKMs)

357 Years ago, I found a hymn database online (I forget where), and it had both this drippy, feelz hymn, and a photo of the guy who wrote it, and I marveled that he looked exactly as I would expect.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 11:56 AM (U7dlb)
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This made me laugh too!

It's funny the pictures we get into our heads based on what we read or hear. You should see what some of the Horde looks like in my head.

You, OMuse, are always in a sweater with elbow patches, sitting in a wood-paneled library with a fire going in the fireplace, pipe in one hand, book in another, glass of sherry on the nearby end table, and hand-carved chess set on the coffee table.

Sometimes there is a golden retriever at your feet, sometimes not.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 12:00 PM (uHcnA)

358 on spanking ... the wooden spoon for immediate reproof they deem bad, but mental "abuse" of isolation (time outs) or taking of (earned?) rewards they consider to be fine.
For a caring parent, the more direct feedback of a spank (not damaging) seems efficient, whereas the mental "spanking" leaves the child's mind time to wander and stew/plot over time. The "One Minute Manager" theories come to mind. Deal with an issue immediately, intensely, move completely on and let it go.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2016 12:01 PM (LhGBu)

359 The contemporary music today is at a whole other level.

I agree, it is getting better. Its less "pick a part of the psalms that makes me happy and repeat it 18 times," and the music is usually better. I think its a reaction to kids that had to sit through that terrible crap for Sunday after Sunday going "surely we can do better than this!!"

Most "contemporary" Christian music was like the worst 70s pop drek, with insipid lyrics that repeated a lot in case you were too dull to work out the 8 words it consisted of the first dozen times.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:01 PM (39g3+)

360 The sentiment expressed in the "Imam and Priest exchange knee pads" commercial is lovely. I just think the story is highly improbable.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 12:02 PM (EnKk6)

361 Insomniac - you could maybe YouTube some Third Day, or Crowder, Matt Redman or Jeremy Camp. Related artists will usually pop up in the sidebar. I tend to stay away from female artists. They irritate me for the most part.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 12:02 PM (dFi94)

362 "I wanted a good sharp knife and the infidel gets me these knee pads!"
Amazon imam

Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2016 12:03 PM (r/0kC)

363 My music major daughter tells me that in order to teach the history of music, even in a secular university course, they're *forced* to teach Christian/church history since so much of western music was originally written for the much. And not just a bit here and a bit there, they have to go into a *crap ton* of church history to set up the proper context for understanding where our music originated.

This makes me happy.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 12:03 PM (U7dlb)

364 I have an important question about books.

Which one of you ettes' is the babe modeling the Ace of Spades T shirt...and why isn't it wet?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at November 20, 2016 12:04 PM (QX0Xt)

365 Lutherans are crazed enthusiasts compared with Catholics. When I attended a Lutheran service for the first time, I was stunned - because people actually sing! Hymns! And all the verses! Compare that with the Catholics, who mumble along with the choir. My dad, who had a terrible singing voice but liked to sing, got looks in Church because you could actually hear him, you know, sing out the words and stuff. It was embarrassing to me as a teen.

Since Catholics don't sing, can we bring back Gregorian chant? That's great. Or at least some Bach and great old Protestant hymns, instead of dreck like "On Eagles Wings?" I hate contemporary Christian songs.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 20, 2016 12:04 PM (P8951)

366 Never heard of this song, but this sentence made me laugh.

The chorus:

And He walks with me and He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

The entire song is this way. I has no mention of anything especially Biblical at all except the words "The Son Of God" in the first verse. A lot of late 19th century gospel stuff was like this, but its one of the worst examples.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:04 PM (39g3+)

367 Most "contemporary" Christian music was like the
worst 70s pop drek, with insipid lyrics that repeated a lot in case you
were too dull to work out the 8 words it consisted of the first dozen
times.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:01 PM (39g3+)
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I listen to that era now of CCM and go, what were they doing?? With some exceptions of course. I walked down the aisle to Keith Green.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 12:05 PM (dFi94)

368 illiniwek

Steve Bannon : "I've got a cure for mental health issues. Spank your children more."


The real tell here is that he fixates on "spanking" vs the potential help for many lost gained from discipline. There is an entire generation of Barry Obama clones in America who have never been told "No!" and who believe that their every thought opinion and action are in fact central to the rotations of the solar system.

Daycares didn't build that.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 12:05 PM (zu88C)

369 Yes, and I agree. Sometimes there are different ways to tackle problems, and you might need to explain a couple of them in order to get it to click with the kids.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 11:53 AM (uHcnA)

True. Long division, multiplying large numbers and manipulating fractions are all fairly formulaic and there really aren't too many ways to slice them. More complicated problems may be subject to differing means of solution, some that might work better for certain kids than others.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 12:06 PM (0mRoj)

370 Y'all need to get your minds out of the gutter, good lord.

I can't imagine what on Earth religious men would need with kneepads, no siree.

Can't imagine any specific requirement of their faith that would have them on their knees regularly (particularly the one who needs to do it 5 ties a day), nope, not at all.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor #FreeCthulhu at November 20, 2016 12:07 PM (i6Bi+)

371 Since Catholics don't sing, can we bring back Gregorian chant? That's great. Or at least some Bach and great old Protestant hymns, instead of dreck like "On Eagles Wings?" I hate contemporary Christian songs.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 20, 2016 12:04 PM (P8951)
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I hear ya. Luckily, at my parish we stick to the old traditional hymns, and people actually do sing.

"How Great Thou Art" can reduce me to tears by the second line.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 12:07 PM (uHcnA)

372 Another good Ayn Rand essay is The Comprachicos.

Comprachicos, or "child-buyers", were 17th century associations that intentionally disfigured children for others' amusement. The essay concerns educational methods and seems to have been prompted by the student unrest of the time (1970).

Rand deplores modern education's focus on feelings vs. facts/reason, and its emphasis on pleasing the group vs. developing capable individuals. Montessori gets a gold star. Kant, Hegel, Marcuse, Dewey, existentialism, deconstruction and critical theory all get taken to the woodshed.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 20, 2016 12:07 PM (StZrq)

373
You, OMuse, are always in a sweater with elbow patches, sitting in a wood-paneled library with a fire going in the fireplace, pipe in one hand, book in another, glass of sherry on the nearby end table, and hand-carved chess set on the coffee table.

Sometimes there is a golden retriever at your feet, sometimes not.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 12:00 PM (uHcnA)
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Now see, I picture him in a Nehru jacket sitting in a rattan peacock chair, stroking a Persian cat and playing chess with a man in a large plexiglass cube, bound to a chair wired to a bomb.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 12:07 PM (EnKk6)

374 I remember when I was going to a church in the 70s and they sang "My Sweet Lord" by George Harrison as a chorus. I'm not making this up. I guess they missed the part where he chants:

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 11:58 AM (39g3+)


What Harrison did in that song was, I think, brilliantly devious, starting out with "Hallelujah" in the chorus and then switching without warning to the "Hare Krishna" chant.

And I'm depressed that many Christians apparently didn't notice.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 12:07 PM (U7dlb)

375 361 Insomniac - you could maybe YouTube some Third Day, or Crowder, Matt Redman or Jeremy Camp. Related artists will usually pop up in the sidebar. I tend to stay away from female artists. They irritate me for the most part.
Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 12:02 PM (dFi94)

Thanks, I may check some of it out.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 12:08 PM (0mRoj)

376 "...church history to set up the proper context for understanding where our music originated."

Proper music history study goes back to the time of Pythagorus, who had a lot to do with even tempered scales.

Posted by: navybrat at November 20, 2016 12:08 PM (w7KSn)

377 363 My music major daughter tells me that in order to teach the history of music, even in a secular university course, they're *forced* to teach Christian/church history since so much of western music was originally written for the much. And not just a bit here and a bit there, they have to go into a *crap ton* of church history to set up the proper context for understanding where our music originated.

This makes me happy.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 12:03 PM (U7dlb)

Lol, yes. I remember that from college. I remember that, interestingly enough, a lot of that knowledge was helpful in history and linguistic courses.

Posted by: Gem at November 20, 2016 12:09 PM (uaHyk)

378 I listen to that era now of CCM and go, what were they doing?? With some exceptions of course. I walked down the aisle to Keith Green.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 12:05 PM (dFi94)


You married Keith Green??

Whoa...

What did Melody have to say about that?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 12:09 PM (U7dlb)

379 yeah, the home schooled kids do great. But a lame teacher gets tenure, then proceeds through (mostly, imo) worthless evening classes to get automatic pay raises for masters plus 30 (while mastering nothing), then early retirement at 55, often making nearly their whole salary as pension, plus benefits.

Results oriented pay, and vouchers ... change is gonna do us good. Home school is improving as well, thanks to internet and groups building the home curriculum, from what I've been hearing.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2016 12:10 PM (LhGBu)

380 >>Exactly right, which is why all of the instruction/advice material I've read on physical discipline always stresses that you *never* just start whaling on your child out of anger. If you're angry, you deal with your anger first, and only *then* you can consider how best to apply discipline.

In retrospect, I think my parents way of disciple was pretty spot on. If I did something spank worthy, not that kind of spank you perverts, my mother would tell me "We'll deal with this when your father gets home. In the meantime, go to your room and think about what you did."

The waiting was painful. My father rarely spanked me but when he did it was painful in a lot of ways. Big dude. But the worst part is he would sit me down and we would talk about the entire episode in detail. He was always calm but he would subconsciously grit his teeth while talking if it was something really bad, my sister and I referred to this as The Grit. When The Grit was on, trouble was coming. And he always had his fraternity paddle in his hands while talking. This was a fearsome thing, he would just keep slapping his hand while talking and sound of the paddle smacking his hand was troubling.

He never actually hit me with the paddle or even threatened to but the threat lived on in my mind. If I did something really bad he would calmly tell me that I was going to get a spanking and why and I better take it like a man or it was going to continue until I did.

It was usually 4 or 5 swats on the ass and then banishment until he and my mom thought I had been punished enough. And then it was over.

They made it clear I had screwed up and why, made it clear that they were very disappointed but if I accepted my punishment and was remorseful and learned my lesson all was good again.

Consequences are necessary and they should be painful but there should also be forgiveness. It's a teaching opportunity for parents not an opportunity to smack your kids around.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2016 12:11 PM (/tuJf)

381 Now see, I picture him in a Nehru jacket sitting in a rattan peacock chair, stroking a Persian cat and playing chess with a man in a large plexiglass cube, bound to a chair wired to a bomb.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 20, 2016 12:07 PM (EnKk6)
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I think that's because you lead the kind of life that has me picturing you as you described your portrait a few weeks ago: on a horse (black, I think), waving a sword while Carthage is in flames behind you. And you are making duck lips.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 12:12 PM (uHcnA)

382 You married Keith Green??

Whoa...

What did Melody have to say about that?


Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 12:09 PM (U7dlb)
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Another guy with pretty hair. It was a sad day when he and his babies were killed in that plane crash. Melody still runs Last Day Ministries, I believe.

Yep, walked down to Keith Green - barefoot. It's the Jesus People in me.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 20, 2016 12:12 PM (dFi94)

383 368 illiniwek

Steve Bannon : "I've got a cure for mental health issues. Spank your children more."


The real tell here is that he fixates on "spanking" vs the potential help for many lost gained from discipline. There is an entire generation of Barry Obama clones in America who have never been told "No!" and who believe that their every thought opinion and action are in fact central to the rotations of the solar system.

Daycares didn't build that.
Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 12:05 PM (zu88C)

That's a big part of the problem. Forget the issue of spanning, any sort of discipline has been abandoned for many kids, who are getting instead heaping doses of post-modernism and "self-esteem" fluff.

Also, as someone mentioned above, I've found it best to deal with things quickly, pointedly, and then move on. My kids are extremely well-behaved without living in terror of me, but they also know I won't take any actual shit. (Good natured joshing excluded, which we do to each other quite a bit).

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 20, 2016 12:12 PM (0mRoj)

384 Since Catholics don't sing, can we bring back Gregorian chant? That's great. Or at least some Bach and great old Protestant hymns, instead of dreck like "On Eagles Wings?" I hate contemporary Christian songs.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 20, 2016 12:04 PM (P8951)

We are the weirdos who sing at Mass. My favorite is "Glory and Praise to Our God." I really belt that one out.

Posted by: Gem at November 20, 2016 12:12 PM (uaHyk)

385 307. Not to pile on, but I also never heard of any mention of desire to expand the series. McGoohan only wanted a few episodes, 7 I think, but ITV asked for a few more so it got stretched a bit to 17.
Would like to see a reference.

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at November 20, 2016 12:15 PM (PtuJp)

386 nood

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 20, 2016 12:15 PM (89T5c)

387 The Hamilton crew reminds me of the Dixie Chicks. You pay for some fun and get a nasty surprise. It's like you're buying a dozen donuts, and after you've eaten a couple, the baker says, "oh, by the way, I spit in those, please enjoy the rest of the box". I suppose I could be charitable and think the performers are doing this to be helpful and supportive and put something other than spit in my treat, but I want a donut, not kale and broccoli with a vegan glaze. If they had honestly sold that, I wouldn't have bought it. And the other downside they don't consider is that they just lost customers and money and trust over this. My mom once cooked us some scrambled eggs and after we were finished told us that she put brains in them. We love our mom, but none of her kids would eat her scrambled eggs unless they were only eggs. 30 years later that's still the case.

Posted by: Diaper Dandy at November 20, 2016 12:16 PM (NnnZy)

388 New thread. Larry Correria article.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at November 20, 2016 12:16 PM (WutqB)

389 I hope it's CBD's pre-Thanksgiving food thread. Been waiting for that.

Posted by: Gem at November 20, 2016 12:17 PM (uaHyk)

390 Ayn Rand desperately needed an editor. I read The Fountainhead and
skimmed large sections of it. Every time her rugged individualist hero
started up on one of his seventeen-page lectures it was time to flip
page.
===

heh.

...
funct (ReadingRand)

READ

WHILE SoapBox > 3 (pages)

PAGEFLIP + 3

ELSE

END WHILE
EXIT

READ
...

In Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency by Douglas Adams, they have electronic monks who believe things for you so you don't have to waste your time believing them and video recorders to watch TV for you so you don't have to waste your time watching TV. We could run with that idea for reading Rand.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 20, 2016 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)

391 Dennis Prager had a psychologist who advocates vitamin N, or otherwise No. I not sure of his name but sure it is easily found.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 12:20 PM (GH68B)

392 Stupid OttoCuke:

A Begger in Jerusalem by Elie Weisel.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 20, 2016 12:22 PM (HD13q)

393 I think most of the really unfortunate church music comes from people listening to "christian radio" and CDs of CCR in the car and at home, then wanting to sing that at church. After all, they said Jesus! Yeah, so did "One Toke Over The Line" and we know how that turned out on the Lawrence Welk show. Just because you like it and its meant to be Christian doesn't necessarily mean it belongs in a church worship service.

I really like Painkiller by Judas Priest but that doesn't mean it belongs in a hospital.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:22 PM (39g3+)

394 Never got into LOTR (although a lot of friends are darned near cultists), but it is almost time for the annual Pratchett 'Hogfather' and 'Good Omens'. Might add 'Night Watch' this year as well.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 20, 2016 12:22 PM (MIKMs)

395 Almost burnt my grilled ham and cheese reading through all the comments.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 12:23 PM (GH68B)

396 You, OMuse, are always in a sweater with elbow patches, sitting in a wood-paneled library with a fire going in the fireplace, pipe in one hand, book in another, glass of sherry on the nearby end table, and hand-carved chess set on the coffee table.
Sometimes there is a golden retriever at your feet, sometimes not.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 12:00 PM (uHcnA)


Heh, don't I wish.

Off to church, be back later.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 20, 2016 12:23 PM (U7dlb)

397 My kids are extremely well-behaved without living in terror of me, but they also know I won't take any actual shit.
===
Every kid, parent and situation are different. That's the joys of parenting!
I have 3 and did not take exactly the same approach with them. Spankings were painful, rare and memorable and there was absolute crystal clarity about why the spanking happened.
I get my back up whenever I hear "that's abusive" closely followed by "studies show". Parenting had been going pretty successfully for a few years before the current crop of lab-coats and know-it-alls began to attempt to regulate it. It will likely continue a few years after they have all gone.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 20, 2016 12:25 PM (zu88C)

398 The Hamilton crew reminds me of the Dixie Chicks

Bruce Springsteen and U2 have gotten away with it for years. They sing a while then preach to the audience. The difference is, Dixie Chicks fans were western music fans, and didn't care for the preaching.

People go to a play to be entertained and forget life for a while, not to get a lecture at the end. If someone wrote a play about Pythagoras, having the cast teach you how to solve the volume of a sphere using pi at the end would not be welcome, either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:25 PM (39g3+)

399 241
Is there a specific edition of The Book of Common Prayer that has the
Shakespearian style writing? There are so many versions, I don't know
which one to look for. Thanks.
_____________________

Look for the 1928 American version. I'm not familiar enough with the British versions to recommend one. When I remarried about 20 years ago, I insisted on the 1928 wedding service "Dearly beloved, etc." not that it mattered eventually, alas. Don't bother with any of the new ones.
Now that I'm Eastern Orthodox, I have a lot of trouble memorizing prayers and even the Creed, because I have 1928 BCP engraved in my brain, and there are no standard English versions for the Orthodox.

Posted by: Miss Sippi at November 20, 2016 12:29 PM (ByoS/)

400 372 Another good Ayn Rand essay is The Comprachicos.

Comprachicos, or "child-buyers", were 17th century associations that intentionally disfigured children for others' amusement. The essay concerns educational methods and seems to have been prompted by the student unrest of the time (1970).

Rand deplores modern education's focus on feelings vs. facts/reason, and its emphasis on pleasing the group vs. developing capable individuals. Montessori gets a gold star. Kant, Hegel, Marcuse, Dewey, existentialism, deconstruction and critical theory all get taken to the woodshed.
Posted by: cool breeze at November 20, 2016 12:07 PM (StZrq)



It's not merely "good", it is her greatest essay of all. It's about 50 pages and fairly difficult reading.

It was published in 1970 or 1971. The premise was that the educational system is purposely designed to prevent children from learning logic and reason, and to rely on emotion instead.

She was talking about elementary education back then, but now it's gone all the way up to college level. It was a deadly accurate description of the state of our educational system *today*. Curious about how and why we have "special snowflakes"? Read it.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 20, 2016 12:29 PM (sdi6R)

401 #177 - I think there's a very good (and sorely needed) blog post called "Why Trump supporters don't participate in MSM interviews." I mentioned elsewhere the stupid astonishment of a Village Voice reporter who visited a Detroit suburb and was unable to get a single Trump supporter to talk to him.

Posted by: vivi at November 20, 2016 12:31 PM (11H2y)

402 Whats funny is that Ayn Rand was a hero of the radical college age left in the 60's. They didn't quite understand all she was saying, but they loved her themes of rejecting authority, liberty, and suspicion of established structures.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:31 PM (39g3+)

403 Bluebell

Have you watched the YouTube video of StikYard performing How Great Thou Art?

Posted by: French Jeton at November 20, 2016 12:32 PM (WMvHw)

404 1.) Q: What do ISIS, Communists and O.J. have in common?
A: They all have a policy of "Once it's mine, it's mine!"

That's why Ayers, Obama and ISIS refer to Spain as Andalusia. And why O.J. refers to the Nevada State Prison as "home".

You don't hear much about terror attacks in Spain. That's because they strongly discourage Muslim immigration. Strongly.

2.) McGoohan's 'The Prisoner' brings to mind Reagan's 1964 Speech re: the socialist ant heap:

"There is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down: man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism...Now it doesn't require expropriation or confiscation of private property or business to impose socialism on a people. What does it mean whether you hold the deed to the -- or the title to your business or property if the government holds the power of life and death over that business or property? And such machinery already exists. The government can find some charge to bring against any concern it chooses to prosecute. Every businessman has his own tale of harassment. Somewhere a perversion has taken place. Our natural, unalienable rights are now considered to be a dispensation of government, and freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp as it is at this moment."

3.) Sweden's public pools are now used as public toilets by immigrants who also prey on the women and children. Government solution: make them lifeguards!

At least Germany has stopped giving them three months of weapons and tactics training before they go AWOL.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 20, 2016 12:33 PM (Ndje9)

405 Book recommendation:
Democracy Without Nations by Pierre Manent.
It's short, it's clear, and it hits the nail on the head.
It's the best single work by a Euro-skeptic that I've read.

He points out that both historically and philosophically the whole structure of democracy and constitutional rights depends on the nation state --- and that imperial (globalist) forms necessarily destroy it all.
He also does not hesitate to address how the rejection of the Christian heritage spells d-o-o-m.

HIGHLY recommended.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2016 12:34 PM (Nox3c)

406 Christopher Taylor, this translation of Beowulf is by the 1976 Nobel Prize for Literature, and of course he has given us both the Anglo/Saxon Old English version on the left side of the book and the English translation on the right side, line for line.

I've never read Beowulf before but have wanted to for about 40 years. I think I picked out the right version to make the attempt.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 20, 2016 12:35 PM (CS7jF)

407 And it happens again -- just a few comments while I'm getting ready for church, 300-plus just two hours later.

I'm posting anyway to vent.

I'm midway through "Of All the Gin Joints," a collection of anecdotes about Hollywood stars since the earliest days of film. What a bunch of lushes, lechers, and minxes. MPPP surely knows all these stories.

So, the book is fun. What do I have to vent about?

The editing! It's terrible!

Misspellings, dangling participles, misplaced modifiers abound. There's even one sentence that has a string of Z's after the period.

As a former professional copy editor, I'd love to take a crack at redoing this book.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 20, 2016 12:36 PM (zqUhc)

408 Have you watched the YouTube video of StikYard performing How Great Thou Art?

Nobody sings it better than George Beverley Shea

https://youtu.be/dsrEscUUNMA

dat voice

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:37 PM (39g3+)

409 Bluebell

Have you watched the YouTube video of StikYard performing How Great Thou Art?
Posted by: French Jeton at November 20, 2016 12:32 PM (WMvHw)
------------------

I have not, but I will look for it! Thank you.

Posted by: bluebell at November 20, 2016 12:39 PM (uHcnA)

410 "I get my back up whenever I hear "that's abusive"
closely followed by "studies show". Parenting had been going pretty
successfully for a few years before the current crop of lab-coats and
know-it-alls began to attempt to regulate it. It will likely continue a
few years after they have all gone.


Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her!

yeah, I was surprised Stefan "went there".

There are so many variables, it would be easy to skew results. I didn't try to analyze the studies, but they would need a way to separate out ALL those that use spanking out of anger.

Also, they probably consider the average PC snowflake to be the ideal result, or the angry feminist as perfection. But results would be masked under biased "academic" terminology. Obviously letting "boys be boys" is considered malpractice by the left, and their psyop warfare against such natural tendencies is perhaps the greater "abuse". PC mandates are themselves an "extreme mental abuse".

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2016 12:40 PM (LhGBu)

411 As a former professional copy editor, I'd love to take a crack at redoing this book.

If you work for free I could use your services

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:41 PM (39g3+)

412 #305 - not to mention that some Muslims consider welfare and public assistance "jizya" that is due them from the Dhimmu dummies that give it to them. Such beliefs do not encourage eventually finding work and earning their own livings.

Posted by: vivi at November 20, 2016 12:41 PM (11H2y)

413 John Rosemonde is the family therapist and has a new Prager U video on Is Your Child Getting Enough Vitamin N?

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 12:42 PM (GH68B)

414
My best friend died of a heart attack a few
nights ago. I feel my heart breaking. We've been friends for 36 years.
He was only 58. I feel like I have lost my brother.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at November 20, 2016 09:22 AM (S6Pax)

My deepest condolences for your loss. Blessings and prayers for you, your friend and all who loved him. I lost my best friend of over thirty years similarly. It leaves a hole. I am slowly filling mine with gratitude for his great friendship.

Posted by: gracepc at November 20, 2016 12:42 PM (OU4q6)

415 they're *forced* to teach Christian/church history since so much of western music was originally written for the much. And not just a bit here and a bit there, they have to go into a *crap ton* of church history to set up the proper context for understanding where our music originated.

-
Yeah, I was a music major and there was crap ton plethora of church music. But it was worse than that. The church was a major center of learning if not the major center of learning for a lot of stuff in addition to music.

Incidntally, there are weaknesses in the church music pedagogy. Primarily, it ignores the music of the common people. This isn't a result of elitism nearly so much as the fact that we just don't know what it was like. It is as if, after SMOD, some future musicologists studying our music study only Bach and Beethoven ignoring Stephen Foster, the Beatles, and Garth Brooks.

For those music historians of eccentric taste, the group Synaulia had put out two albums of what they blieve Ancient Roman music sounded like. There are two huge caveats here. First, they have done this by translating written descriptions informed by archaeological research to guestimate what the music sounded like and that's a little like a blind man recreating color. Second, assuming they are basically right about how the music sounded, there is no guarantee that they are the Bach and Mozart of Ancient Roman music and, given that they are basically music history professors, one could invoke the saying that those who can't do, teach.

At first, I could hear no beauty in it but as the initial shock wore off, I now hear some pleasurable things.

The movie Gladiator uses some of their music.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 20, 2016 12:44 PM (Nwg0u)

416 Christopher-- Even Springsteen's guitarist called it bullying. A lecture to one audience member from the stage is not "dialogue", either; a real actor would know that.

"Can't Democrats just let a Republican enjoy a play?"--Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 20, 2016 12:45 PM (Ndje9)

417 Christopher Taylor, this is an Audiobook, Beowulf Deconstructed

I haven't gotten around to listening to it since I have other things I need to spend my money on, but the presenter/writer makes a decent, very listenable podcast

http://historyofenglishpodcast.com/audiobooks/

Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2016 12:46 PM (BZCXR)

418 It is as if, after SMOD, some future musicologists studying our music study only Bach and Beethoven ignoring Stephen Foster, the Beatles, and Garth Brooks.

We still have stuff like Greensleeves, but in general, "The Messiah" endures, while "Achey Breaky Heart" disappears.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:48 PM (39g3+)

419 402 Whats funny is that Ayn Rand was a hero of the radical college age left in the 60's. They didn't quite understand all she was saying, but they loved her themes of rejecting authority, liberty, and suspicion of established structures.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:31 PM (39g3+)


I don't think that's quite accurate. There were conservative and proto-libertarian college students in the 60s who liked her, but I doubt the leftists ever did. Any leftist who likes Rand has a serious problem with reading comprehension.

My present-day boss was an engineering student in the 60s. He liked Rand, and had nothing but contempt for the hippies and radicals.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 20, 2016 12:48 PM (sdi6R)

420 Rand gave lots of lectures in colleges to huge acclaim in the 60s. Her popularity was at its highest then. I think the students identified themselves as John Galt, the true intellectuals and makers of reality while the establishment was old and oppressive and regressive. In short, they weren't quite getting what she said, and the drugs didn't help any.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 12:52 PM (39g3+)

421 Bruce and Bono and Barbara are well known for preaching to their choirs. And that's why I don't put anything in their offering plates. They seem fine with that and so am I. I just think Pence deserves a refund.

Posted by: Diaper Dandy at November 20, 2016 12:53 PM (NnnZy)

422 In the old days, theater-goers critiqued the actors. In Upside-Down ObamAmerica, the actors critique the theater-goers. You know--the way the Founders and Roger Ebert intended it.

When I want political opinions from somebody dressed in buckled heels, knee breeches and powdered wigs, I prefer the Original Cast, thank you.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 20, 2016 12:57 PM (Ndje9)

423 Christopher, thanks to leftist revisionist history, I think we tend to forget that the hippies and radicals were a small fringe minority of college students in the 60s. They weren't Rand's audience.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 20, 2016 01:02 PM (sdi6R)

424 @5, Hillbilly Elegy is an okay book. I prefer anything by Rick Bragg. Lefties like the book as confirmation of poor white behavior. The author does a bit of virtual signaling as to how he is not one of those any more. I wonder what he would have done if his grandmother had lived. Would he have cut her out of his life?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 20, 2016 01:05 PM (Lqy/e)

425 @200 the "remake" of The Prisoner has very little to do with the original series.
The denouement did a lot to redeem it, but for the most part it wasn't very good. (And the theme rather different.)

Posted by: Luke at November 20, 2016 01:09 PM (4fUM9)

426 176 I used to work for a large Japanese company. Their class distinction and the Borg mentality always made me feel uncomfortable. That way of thinking is cultural though. I can't imagine living someplace where you are forced to live that way under threat of penalty.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2016 10:16 AM (IDPbH)

India's culture is the worse and I will never understand the cast system, if they come from money they really think they are better than you, my Wife had some problems (nurse) with Dr's from India that expected her to pick up their dry cleaning and other errands, she told politely to pickup their own shit.

Their value of human like is terrible along with the Chinese, and they have to be told you must save this person and it doesn't matter what you think that this person doesn't saving.

Get a Russian Dr they won't give you the pain meds thou, because it doesn't hurt that bad and you can tough it out.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 20, 2016 01:11 PM (dKiJG)

427 "7 Another historians' phony utopia myth is that of the Mayans. Discovered before our current age of PC, they were nevertheless described as a society living in harmony with themselves, their neighbors, and their neighbors. Why, they even sprinkled their art with images of rose petals. Except those rose petals were actually blood drops shed while torturing and murdering their sacrificial victims. Why it is that we persist in seeing other cultures as better than our own, a grass is greener on the other side of the border outlook, is unclear to me but it has exist for a long time. Gilbert and Sullivan mocked it in their operas and who knows how much further back it goes. "

See Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto". Stunningly brutal depiction of the Central American Indian cultures. He is a hell of a director.

Posted by: Tuna at November 20, 2016 01:14 PM (JSovD)

428 >>India's culture is the worse and I will never understand the cast system, if they come from money they really think they are better than you, my Wife had some problems (nurse) with Dr's from India that expected her to pick up their dry cleaning and other errands, she told politely to pickup their own shit.

If you want to see real and very much accepted bigotry, visit India.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2016 01:14 PM (/tuJf)

429 As a former professional copy editor, I'd love to take a crack at redoing this book.
Posted by: Weak Geek at November 20, 2016 12:36 PM (zqUhc)

The CLFA group on FB always has some author or another looking for a good copy editor.

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 20, 2016 01:25 PM (Om16U)

430 "My music major daughter tells me that in order to teach the history of music, even in a secular university course, they're *forced* to teach Christian/church history since so much of western music was originally written for the much. And not just a bit here and a bit there, they have to go into a *crap ton* of church history to set up the proper context for understanding where our music originated. "

The history of western music begins with the church because the monks were the first to come up with a system of writing notes and with music theory. There are archaeological fragments of ancient music but no one really knows how to decipher them. From the simplicity of chant to the almost otherworldly polyphony of Perotin and the Norte Dame School and onward, modern music owes almost everything to the Church. Just listen to The Gothic Voices recording " Feather on the Breath of God". Undeniably beautiful renditions of the songs of Hildegard of Bingen. There is just so much gorgeous church music from medieval times to present day.

I took 3 music history courses in college. We covered everything from ancient times to present day. Luckily my instructor was keen on showing us how every period and style influences today's music including rock. One of the best instructors I ever had. Fascinating stuff.

Posted by: Tuna at November 20, 2016 01:35 PM (JSovD)

431 See Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto". Stunningly brutal depiction of the Central American Indian cultures. He is a hell of a director.
Posted by: Tuna at November 20, 2016 01:14 PM (JSovD)


Neil Young's "Cortez the Killer" is full of shit.
Great tune though.....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 20, 2016 01:40 PM (TbtkA)

432 I'm on the fourth book of a series, Tales from the Golden Age of the Solar Clipper by Nathan Lowell. Space yarn, merchant freighters and one man's journey. I highly recommend them, good stories.


I started in on the first of the Wearing the Cat books. I'm sorry, I just can't. I know it was written by a Moron...but I just can't...sorry.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 20, 2016 01:43 PM (vbvxt)

433 Finished reading and listening to Nick Webb's " Legacy Ship" trilogy. Decent space opera series. He doesn't waste much time on explaining the science behind space travel just gets into the story. Started the first in the next trilogy, "Legacy Fleet". Pretty much starts with a bang and hasn't let up. Entertaining reads for the sci-fi fan.

Posted by: Tuna at November 20, 2016 01:43 PM (JSovD)

434 Neil Young's "Cortez the Killer" is full of shit.

Great tune though.....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 20, 2016 01:40 PM (TbtkA)

Mayan man don't need him around, anyhow.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 20, 2016 01:44 PM (JO9+V)

435 Mayan man don't need him around, anyhow.
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 20, 2016 01:44 PM (JO9+V)

Sweet Home, Chichen Itza....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 20, 2016 01:49 PM (TbtkA)

436 "Sweet Home, Chichen Itza...."

LOL

Posted by: Tuna at November 20, 2016 01:50 PM (JSovD)

437 414
My best friend died of a heart attack a few
nights ago. I feel my heart breaking. We've been friends for 36 years.
He was only 58. I feel like I have lost my brother.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at November 20, 2016 09:22 AM (S6Pax)

My condolences and my prayers.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at November 20, 2016 01:54 PM (UwMHj)

438 Kodos, Nice library. Looks comfy and organized. Love the little library cube next to the chair. And bookends which I love. Curious -- doggeh pix. Someone here, perhaps you, mentioned Borzois, Russian Wolfhounds. Was that you -- can't get real clear on pix.

Posted by: gracepc at November 20, 2016 02:00 PM (OU4q6)

439 A 50% tax on all movie and stage productions should be implemented in the first 100 days, all the proceeds going to reduce the government debt, for the children.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2016 09:49 AM (GHjXJ)

Agree. It would nice if you could find a way to make the tax "progressive", in that it would increase relative to the moonbattery of the cast and script. And exempt re-releases of movies 30+ years old.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 20, 2016 02:08 PM (bY0uH)

440 I feel like I have lost my brother.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....Grate American cheese again! at November 20, 2016 09:22 AM (S6Pax)


I never really know what to say, but you will truly be in my prayers as you get through this.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor #FreeCthulhu at November 20, 2016 02:09 PM (i6Bi+)

441 A tax to write off the first year for Live theater is up for renewal. What dummies.

I also support a a Entertainment tax to help build the wall.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at November 20, 2016 02:22 PM (dKiJG)

442 The Italian hotel owner will be paid 7 euros a night for each resident "refugee" instead of his customary 33 euros a night. And many tourists will not stay in a place that's become a refugee camp with its attendant joys like lice, fleas, disease, and violence. He can't make enough money to stay open at these costs.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2016 10:19 AM (39g3+)

Sounds like a catastrophic fire is about to happen there. Hotel owner had better make sure his fire insurance is up to date.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 20, 2016 02:28 PM (bY0uH)

443 Kodos The Executioner, that is beautiful. I'm particularly envious of the bookcase side table!

Still reading Talent Is Overrated. His explanation of why even Mozart wasn't "talented" or "gifted" is very good.

Bought the Amazon video access to The Prisoner, which I've never seen. Thank you all who recommended it, although my pocketbook doesn't thank you!

RE: Let The Right One IN's interiors. What strikes me is that the only cozy-looking home belongs to Oskar's dad. Part of that could just be movie production, though, like all the kids on Disney shows have huge bedrooms and cute bedspreads. (When a character in High School Musical 2 was discussing with his dad that he needed to get a scholarship to afford college, my niece said, "Why doesn't he move? That house is way too big for two people!" They were standing in the middle of a showcase-worthy kitchen bigger than my entire apartment.)

Posted by: NaughtyPine at November 20, 2016 03:27 PM (UwMHj)

444 The library posts on Like Mother, Like Daughter have some great recommendations on children's books:

http://www.likemotherlikedaughter.org/2013/06/the-like-mother-like-daughter-library/

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 20, 2016 04:29 PM (Lqy/e)

445 Have to lookinto Talent is Overrated, not thinking I buy that argument for a second.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 20, 2016 06:48 PM (GH68B)

446 443. Be advised, The Prisoner may not satisfy. But it will get you thinking if you let it. Give it time.

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at November 20, 2016 07:44 PM (PtuJp)

447 What I remember best from the Prisoner is the very large beach balls that seemed to make up the island's defense system.

Posted by: Laura M at November 21, 2016 09:22 AM (stvhI)

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The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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