So, Who Is the GOP Going to Install as Its Nominee Instead of Trump?

I feel that the GOP Establishment played along with Trump for what they felt was a reasonable period of pretending, but now, a Decent Interval has passed, and they can abandon Trump.

Lindsey Graham calls for people to begin unendorsing Trump, and then...

Mark Kirk un-endorses Trump.

McConnell scolds Trump to get on message, and Senator Bob "Iran Deal" Corker warns that Trump has "two to three weeks" to get his campaign into working order.

Coincidentally, that's about the time before the convention.

What is the "or else" Corker is hinting at? Nothing, AllahPundit says.

Yeah I don't know if I agree with that.

First of all, I have heard that there are in fact schemes a-brewing to replace Trump with Ryan at the convention. How, you say? Well, simply by rewriting all the rules to allow delegates to vote as they will, for any candidate.

Now you may say "But that's extreme; they'd destroy the party."

Yes, but there are two competing considerations:

1. Elite GOP opinion-- the Upper Middle Class and Capital Class that controls the party -- is horribly embarrassed by Trump, and, little secret, they run this thing. You vote in it, but they run it.

And the people who run it can change the rules as they like.

2. Trump appears to be a likely loser. While he briefly pulled even with Hillary a couple of weeks ago -- when he had wrapped up the nomination, but she had not -- he is now slipping behind again. A Reuters poll just put him down by 11 -- 46 to 35, or something like that.

It is one thing to go to an election with a Glorious Loser, one who will lose, but who, in doing so, makes his supporters proud and #Feelz good about themselves. A moral victory, sometimes even sweeter than an actual victory.

It's quite another thing to go to an election with an Embarrassing Loser. Someone who not only loses, but makes you feel dirty in losing.

Well, to the Elite that control this party, Trump is looking more and more like an Embarrassing Loser.

So that's what I take all this judge bullshit to be about -- the psyops necessary to justify the party rewriting the rules and kicking Trump the hell out.

Yes, the Elite would lose the election if it does so. But they increasingly believe there is no way to avoid that.

They would be playing for the Moral Victory -- the beautiful loss that makes people #feelz good about their #Principlez.

Now, it may surprise you -- or not -- to know I'm not necessarily against any of this.

Trump won fair and square, yeah. (Sort of.)

But ask me how much I fucking care about that.

Let me explain my entire political raison d'etre:

BEAT HILLARY CLINTON.

That's it. That's the ballgame.

I don't care about anything else, really. Well, a few things I'll mention later.

But I definitely don't care about whether or not booting Trump out of the convention with not even a gold watch as a consolation prize is fair to him.

I do care that it's not fair to his supporters... but not enough to make me oppose booting him if he appears to be a sure loser, which he increasingly looks like again.

I happen to think the White Upper Middle Professional Class is silly and overproud -- the status conscious bourgeoisie who are a bit too fashionable and frivolous in their political passions.

They're just not good in a fight. They back down too quickly from the left's threat of reducing their social status.

Yet the fact is, you can't win an election without them. This group, which isn't only white, but is Super White, is a core group of any GOP coalition. Including the losing ones, even.

Definitely they're needed for the winning ones.

And Trump is simply having too good of a time being the low-class, I-don't-care-about-your-upwardly-mobile-middle-class-sense-of-propriety not-as-rich-as-me-anyway-poor-asses kind of guy he always has been.

He's alienating the hell out of them. He's making them feel as if they'd be supporting a racist pornographer child molester if they voted for him.

Among Trump's jobs was to bring this group aboard, and if he can't, then he's a Failure, not a #Winner, and I don't have to wait for November to know that for a fact.

As I've said, I think this class is silly in its preoccupations, and far too easily influenced by -- bullied by -- rolled over by -- their liberal colleagues to be stalwart defenders of the faith.

They're easily cowed and backed down.

Nevertheless, they run this bitch.

And that's just the way it is.

No, it's not a democracy. Never was. All a lie.

So I do think the GOP is actually gearing up to do something drastic in three weeks.

I think all the shrieking you're seeing right now is part of the battlespace preparation to prepare for that moment.

To justify it, to defend it. To show: "We had no other choice."

To say, "We tried working with him. You saw how hard we tried working for him! But he's just impossible. He's an animal, and we can't do anything to educate him."

The question I'm asking myself isn't whether they'll do this (if Trump keeps sinking in the polls, and stinking up the reputation of the Upper Middle Class Professionals that make up the high ranks of the party, they will), but who they'll replace him with.

The word is Paul Ryan. He denies that. He denies a lot of things.

I think he's a sneaky little rat who would be flattered by it, and flattered by it, he'd leap at it.

I'd go berserk if they tried that, personally. I think a lot of people would. He's already a proven electoral loser -- he got beaten by the Imbecile Joe Biden in a debate, for god's sake -- but they may try it anyway.

They might also try Rubio. I don't think I have to say what I'd think about that.

The hard question for me is this: If they installed Ryan or Rubio, could I go along with it?

I'm tempted to say "No," to warn them away from these possibilities, but as I've said before, my real imperative is

STOP HILLARY CLINTON

The woman actually frightens me, personally. I fear for citizen safety under this paranoid, corrupt, possibly-brain-impaired rage drunk.

So could I bring myself to support the loser amnesty-loving Ryan, or the loser amnesty-loving Rubio, if it meant keeping Hillary out of the White House?

The answer is probably "Yes, reluctantly."

But there are better choices out there.

And I don't mean Ted Cruz -- I realize the GOPe would never nominate Ted Cruz.

I mean Tom Cotton.

If they are going to do this ugly, anti-democratic thing, then I would strongly suggest they do so with a man whose credentials among the ideological conservative right and the anti-amnesty right, and not one of their preferred effeminate RINOs.

I hope nobody's too pissed at me from this post.

But this is where I see this is heading.

You don't shriek and scream like this and sabotage the GOP nominee unless it's your plan to make him toxic enough to swap him out for another nominee.

So put me down for Tom Cotton.

If you're going to do this despicable thing, at least do it by putting up a man Trump supporters could possibly support, not by putting up one of your preferred Ex-Im Bank Amnesty-loving US Chamber of Congress Establishment favorites.


Update: At least I pray these incompetent egotists have a plan along these lines.

I pray these overproud do-nothing non-elites-but-think-they're-elites aren't throwing an election to Hillary Clinton for no reason other than their bourgeois sense of pride.

Oh: If this class doesn't have the balls to do anything but kvetch and complain, and can't work up the guts to pull the trigger on replacing Trump at the convention -- then I do hope they'll do the rest of us the favor of shutting the fuck up where we who haven't fled reality do our best to keep the serial criminal Hillary Clinton out of office.


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1 Anyone, but it ain't going to be pretty

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 05:55 PM (3wHFl)

2 Wordy.

But.

It's got a beat and I can dance to it.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 05:57 PM (I8Bd1)

3 And all the media has declared Hillary has won.

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 05:58 PM (3wHFl)

4
What you're telling me is that the GOP elites are purposely gonna unravel the Republican nominee's candidacy so he'll lose.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 05:58 PM (XgPhs)

5 *looks around nervously and agrees with Ace about Cotton*

*prepares to dodge incoming rounds*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 05:59 PM (1ZOkK)

6 I'll worry when the polls look bad

http://tinyurl.com/gpalk9u

Yeah. Still not worried

#MAGA
#Trump2016

Posted by: TeamRawDog at June 07, 2016 05:59 PM (10hEu)

7 Interesting times, for certain.

Wouldn't the convention become Thunderdome if the delegates all got to vote freely?

Would the number of choices be limited somehow?

Posted by: TexasDan at June 07, 2016 05:59 PM (M0ddJ)

8 LiFB

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sexual Tyrannosaurus with an itch at June 07, 2016 05:59 PM (rwI+c)

9 Is there anyone the Repub party could nominate who will beat HRC? Remember, don't get stuck in Pauline Kael mode. The replacement will have to deal with: 1) Dem voters will who not abandon the party; 2) women who will vote vag no matter what; 3) non-Dem voters who want their Hil phones and all the other good stuff Clinton will promise them; 4) otherwise-reliable R voters who will stay home because the R nominee is not their guy/gal.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 07, 2016 05:59 PM (dZ756)

10 ???? You can't be serious Ace?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (Ozsfq)

11 1. Ace, you've gone completely off the rails.

2. Stop thinking there is any hope of Trump beating Hillary.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (5gNU4)

12 Cotton pickin' crap!

Posted by: RioBravo at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (NUqwG)

13 and here we go...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (1ZOkK)

14 Tom Cotton is good. Lone vote against the Iran deal.
I like

Posted by: L, Elle at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (6IPEM)

15 Show some cajones, Ace. Don't panic so easily. I remember all this being said about Reagan and how he was destined to lose.

Now, Trump is no Reagan. He's an A-hole maybe, but he's our A-hole. He can beat Hillary - people not out of the political bubble don't realize how much she's despised.

Posted by: Ostar at June 07, 2016 06:01 PM (gc83Y)

16 Ace if you think the $15 gin instead of the $6 Dollar gin, you might not get these hallucinations.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:01 PM (Ozsfq)

17 And Hillary will win in a landslide when pissed off people don't vote or vote for her instead of the Republican "elite" candidate.

Posted by: AnthonyB at June 07, 2016 06:01 PM (5VEXA)

18 i'm done with the party....gop can gophuckthemselves......never again will they get a dime from me.....not sure i'll even ever vote for anyone again.....politicians are scum ....some are less scummy than others....but.... they are all scum.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 07, 2016 06:01 PM (0O7c5)

19 Tom Cotton is just about the ONLY ringer I would stomach.

You want Cotton.

You'd settle for Kasich.

You'll get Rubio or Yeb.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:01 PM (g8Hfr)

20 Flapping in the wind

Posted by: Paul Ryan's Empty Sack at June 07, 2016 06:01 PM (10hEu)

21 Forget it Jake. It's Venezuelatown.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 07, 2016 06:01 PM (IqV8l)

22 Talk about Electionocide!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:01 PM (Ozsfq)

23
Among Trump's jobs was to bring this group aboard, and if he can't, then he's a Failure
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This is why I'm getting pissed at him.

But how the hell would Tom Wool do in the general with LIVs? Oh, sorry, Tim Cotton.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 06:02 PM (pC96u)

24 14
Tom Cotton is good. Lone vote against the Iran deal.

I like

Posted by: L, Elle at June 07, 2016 06:00 PM (6IPEM)

Plus, he's a vet. Would be a breath of fresh air to have one as CiC, especially after the mincing ponce we've had for eight years.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 06:02 PM (1ZOkK)

25 Let's cut to the chase here. What's the likelihood that people in the GOP convention will start eating each other?

Posted by: Shep Smith at June 07, 2016 06:02 PM (8ZskC)

26 I think all the shrieking you're seeing right now is part of the battlespace preparation to prepare for that moment.


Absolutely. It's all been building up to that. The recent screeching of Ryan nailed it for me. Either he's positioning himself, or clearing the field and giving a nod to another candidate.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:02 PM (qCMvj)

27 Republican party consensual organization yadda yadda and all that - BUT: much like adopting speech codes of a tight nature in a private organization can indicate behavioral and personal opposition to the free speech principle in spite of being "allowed", this would light up the sky in fireworks with "we do not give one solitary fuck for the consent of the governed and never did". I don't see 25% of the base taking that lying down. Never. Thus, the same suicide with the added bonus of donors re-seizing the reins. Fuck. That.

Posted by: Sporkatus at June 07, 2016 06:02 PM (wJH9g)

28 Oh I get it this is the wish thread...Ya know I was sure when I was little I was gong to be Mickey Mantle's replacement in center field.

Who's next?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:03 PM (Ozsfq)

29 Is it time to buy gold and stuff in my mattress yet?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 07, 2016 06:03 PM (L54EB)

30 Trump has served his purpose. He has shown that we have no opposition party, and may have destroyed the GOP in doing so. I thank him for that.

Posted by: AnthonyB at June 07, 2016 06:03 PM (5VEXA)

31 They do this and I guaran-damn-tee they will lose every single close house and Senate race.
This is their last chance. They pull this bullshit and they will permanently destroy any hope they ever had of getting a majority of either house ever again.
They will become an afterthought party. They will envy the legitimacy and success of the Libertarians. No ambitious manipulator will ever bother with them again.

I don't think the politicians that actually run the party are this stupid. I don't even think Ryan is that stupid. He runs under these circumstances he will not only lose, he will be giving up his House seat to do so. This is just more reality-denying #NeverTrumperism.

Posted by: Danby at June 07, 2016 06:03 PM (PNULu)

32 Yes, all of Trump's delegates he's won are going to vote for someone else.

Because Lindsey Graham and Mark Kirk got all upset about Trumps comments about Curiel. Because Lindsey Graham and Mark Kirk run the Republican Party. And all the delegates are simply robots who walk around doing what Paul Ryan tells them.

Trump has won the nomination with more votes than any Republican candidate has ever gotten in the primaries.
But we are going to rig the convention and make sure Trump loses and we are going to put Lindsey or Kasich or Jeb in his place.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 07, 2016 06:04 PM (wNbGM)

33 Yeahhhhh....I think I'll sit this one out.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 06:04 PM (qUNWi)

34 do it

/Rorschach voice

and Welcome to Oblivion.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at June 07, 2016 06:04 PM (Cq0oW)

35 They will pick Bloomberg.

Why?

Because fuck you, that's why.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 06:04 PM (p2X2f)

36 Susana Martinez/Ben Carson

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 06:04 PM (ktzHq)

37 Well, hate to say we told you he was gonna f this up, but even WE were surprised it happened this fast.

I mean, damn. We were gonna take a quick break before the convention. You know, take the kids to Disney, hit the beach, do some grilling.

No rest for the wicked this year, I guess.

Posted by: Never Trump Schadenfreude Korps at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (eovIu)

38
These are the "smart" ones... or so we're told.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (fOgSR)

39 I heard a rumor today that the Yankees are bring up Ford, DiMaggio and Mantle from triple A

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (Ozsfq)

40 >>>how some cajones, Ace. Don't panic so easily. I remember all this being said about Reagan and how he was destined to lose.


yeah but Reagan was worth fighting for. This asshole is just some asshole.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (dciA+)

41 I don't even think Ryan is that stupid. He runs under these circumstances he will not only lose, he will be giving up his House seat to do so.
Posted by: Danby at June 07, 2016 06:03 PM (PNULu)

--------
Now that is a silver lining.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (NUqwG)

42 Mark Kirk threw hit hat into the fan.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (IqV8l)

43
Wait. I just realized that we're entertaining the notion that the Republicans are hatching a devious and cunning plan for victory.

Yeah, that ain't happening.

But if you're wondering if the Republicans are planning on backstabbing Trump and every single primary voter and then have no plan after that, then yes, they might be doing just that.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (XgPhs)

44 29 Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 07, 2016 06:03 PM (L54EB)

Hi friend, Grin Breck here do you like Gold...do you like jock straps?

Well....

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (g8Hfr)

45 Let's cut to the chase here. What's the likelihood that people in the GOP convention will start eating each other?
Posted by: Shep Smith


I can't help it. It's my genetics!

Posted by: Gov. Christie at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (p2X2f)

46 It will have to be a king RINO, they have such a good track record of losing to dims.

The GOPe would rather have hillary. To them, her criminality is of no consequence.

Posted by: willy at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (Ffw22)

47 Yeahhhhh....I think I'll sit this one out.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 06:04 PM (qUNWi)



But you'll miss it when they hand out the guns for the circular firing squad.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (8ZskC)

48 If the GOP actually ignores the results of the primaries, they will go the way of the Whigs.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (R+30W)

49 40 But he fights. No one else does.

Posted by: AnthonyB at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (5VEXA)

50 I'll run! Shakily, but I'll do it.

Posted by: Zombie Cassius Clay at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (mkRlP)

51 They can't. They are too afraid of doing it and losing everything--WH and party and party percs. Too many of Trump's supporters will not vote for the substitute.

Posted by: oddnot frets not at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (g1MTt)

52 If they are going to do this ugly, anti-democratic thing, then I would strongly suggest they do so with a man whose credentials among the ideological conservative right and the anti-amnesty right, and not one of their preferred effeminate RINOs.

I hope nobody's too pissed at me from this post.

But this is where I see this is heading.


Why would anyone be pissed at you? It's politics. Politics is dirty. Always has been. Always will.

The GOP is dirty, just like the Democrats are.

I suppose a Rubio/Ryan ticket might be tried. They really think they need a "Latino" on the top of the ticket, or a Latino supported candidate.

I would not vote if it were Kasich.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (qCMvj)

53 Boned, we are.


SMOD 2016!

Posted by: Joe Mama at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (beyEl)

54 yeah but Reagan was worth fighting for. This asshole is just some asshole.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:05 PM (dciA+)


At the time, Reagan was not Reagan, but just some asshole actor.

Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (Ozsfq)

55 >>Well, to the Elite that control this party, Trump is looking more and more like an Embarrassing Loser.

>>So that's what I take all this judge bullshit to be about -- the psyops necessary to justify the party rewriting the rules and kicking Trump the hell out.

>>Yes, the Elite would lose the election if it does so. But they increasingly believe there is no way to avoid that.


Yea, I gotta disagree. This isn't just about their feelz. To paraphrase Hannibal Lecter, remember your Marcus Auerilus, of each thing ask what is it's essence.

The Republican Party is a collection of politicians at the top. Many of those politicians are running for election or re-election and nothing matters more to a politician that their job. Not a thing.

The big worry with a candidate like Trump is that he is so off the grid that if he implodes he could take down not just the presidency but the House and the Senate as well. That is what scares the shit out of the Republican Party.

Sure, Trump is embarrassing. He's a orange buffoon. But the Party would not give a shit if they thought he could help them win and they will run from him if they think he will cost their jobs.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 06:06 PM (/tuJf)

56
Cotton vs Biden

Surrendering to insanity is easier than being defeated by it in a violent struggle.

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 06:07 PM (pC96u)

57
oh FUCK

Fox News all about "Hillary is about to make history."

FFUUUCCCKKKK

Posted by: iforgot at June 07, 2016 06:07 PM (pC96u)

58 >>>At the time, Reagan was not Reagan, but just some asshole actor.

Sigh

...

except for the incredible intellectual effort he had put into the cause for decades

except for for being brilliant and well read and a writer of astonishing lucidity

except for all that -- Trump's just like reagan.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)

59 I'd vote for and even donate to Cotton. Bumpersticker, yard sign, yada yada

Posted by: stace at June 07, 2016 06:08 PM (ozZau)

60 Only John Kasich can deliver this country from Hillary.

Posted by: fluffy at June 07, 2016 06:08 PM (2hcmo)

61 "pray these overproud do-nothing non-elites-but-think-they're-elites aren't throwing an election to Hillary Clinton for no reason other than their bourgeois sense of pride."

Which of course they are.

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 06:08 PM (U7v0V)

62 horowitz said trump attacks when he's attacked.....and that is a good thing.....and i actually agree.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 07, 2016 06:08 PM (0O7c5)

63 56


Cotton vs Biden



*fans self*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 06:08 PM (1ZOkK)

64 Where have you gone, Mitt DeRomney-O
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Ooh ooh ooh

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 06:08 PM (8ZskC)

65 Trump is and asshole and an embarrassment but The FAB lies more than she breaths, endangers national security and is a criminal, BUT IT IS THE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE TO PANIC?

Yeah right.

People really have to grow a pair and get ready for the War

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:08 PM (Ozsfq)

66 Is it time to panic? It's time to panic, isn't it?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 06:09 PM (LA7Cm)

67

The sense of panic is so immature and unwise.

What a bunch of cowards and clowns. They could have won this, but how many times have we said this?

They really are stupid people.

History is on the GOP's side (as far as 2 years of Dems, then relief from that crap), but then there is the first woman candidate (which, as a woman, I don't even feel it - it means nothing to me, strangely. I thought I would feel something but I don't). But, also Hillary is a lying skank of a crook.

But there ya go. GOP cowardess and stupidity.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:09 PM (qCMvj)

68 Wasn't Reagan somehow involved in California politics before running for president?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 06:09 PM (ktzHq)

69 Well let me hedge a bit. They're throwing the election because they'ed prefer Hillary to Trump.


Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 06:09 PM (U7v0V)

70 I'd vote for and even donate to Cotton. Bumpersticker, yard sign, yada yada
Posted by: stace at June 07, 2016 06:08 PM (ozZau)
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I wouldn't donate but could see myself wearing a cotton shirt. I'm surprised Cotton didn't defect to the Crystal French party.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 07, 2016 06:09 PM (NUqwG)

71 There's no one with enough appeal to overcome all of the people who (rightly) would stay home as a middle finger to the GOP for denying the nomination to someone who won it fair and square. If that candidate existed, he would have been able to beat Trump in the primaries.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:09 PM (kumBu)

72 Bob Corker trying to explain away his fig-leaf approval of King Putt's Iran "deal" is fucking hilarious. What a POS.

I really do hate them all right now. Maybe I'll just vote randomly. Just go in the booth with my eyes shut and push buttons. It amounts to the same thing.

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 06:09 PM (/m8T6)

73 except for the incredible intellectual effort he had put into the cause for decades

except for for being brilliant and well read and a writer of astonishing lucidity

except for all that -- Trump's just like reagan.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)

IF Reagan had not been elected President, you would not be saying that today. You have get to the White House BEFORE you can make real history. I think you are putting the cart before the horse

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (Ozsfq)

74 "Fuck the GOP establishment." - Middle Class America

Posted by: honeybunny at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (3jpFR)

75 Gee I'm shocked that the same RINO assholes that have done nothing since winning a landslide in 2014 are doing this.

Who could have seen this coming? If there's one thing the GOPe is good at it's be-clowning itself.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (0LHZx)

76 Yeah, ace, but Reagan wasn't banging lots of married women like Trump.

I mean, I know I want a man running the country who scores lots of hot ass and brags about it.

*sigh*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (1ZOkK)

77 I am so fucking jaded by all of this kabuki bullshit.

We have Trump because the GOPe refuses to implement closed primaries.

The GOPe currently does not have closed primaries so that they can install libtards like Mcain, and Romney as GOP candidates.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (B8SNf)

78 We need a mavericky candidate the MSM likes. Someone like Dole, McCain, Romney..

Posted by: willy at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (Ffw22)

79 At the time, Reagan was not Reagan, but just some asshole actor.

Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup


You're kidding, right?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (p2X2f)

80 Who was it who said you couldn't get the truth out of Hillary Clinton even if you waterboarded her?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (QHgTq)

81 There's no one with enough appeal to overcome all of the people who (rightly) would stay home as a middle finger to the GOP for denying the nomination to someone who won it fair and square. If that candidate existed, he would have been able to beat Trump in the primaries.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:09 PM (kumBu)

exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (Ozsfq)

82 horowitz said trump attacks when he's attacked.....and that is a good thing.....and i actually agree.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 07, 2016 06:08 PM (0O7c5)


me too

as you can see, when Trump is attacked, Ryan attacks Trump

what jackasses

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (qCMvj)

83 2. Trump appears to be a likely loser. While he briefly pulled even with Hillary a couple of weeks ago -- when he had wrapped up the nomination, but she had not -- he is now slipping behind again. A Reuters poll just put him down by 11 -- 46 to 35, or something like that.

____

And IBD has him down 4 to Hillary
And Rasmussen has him down 1 to Hillary.
And PPP released a poll today showing him up by 1 in FL.
But let's ignore that and go with the down 11 thing.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (0LHZx)

84 >>except for all that -- Trump's just like reagan.

You forgot two term governor of one of the most populous states in America.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (/tuJf)

85 Here's the problem with this plan, and hopefully the GOPe realizes it: pulling the mask away on "democracy" is a bad idea.

Telling all of those that voted for Trump "screw you, this is a better/smarter candidate" is a sure fire way to depress voter turnout if not massively increase the level of radicalization. Being disenfranchised by your own party is a large slap in the face.

Posted by: GeoSTI at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (xHxgV)

86

I'll be looking for Newt's comments regarding this post.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (qCMvj)

87
69 Well let me hedge a bit. They're throwing the election because they'ed prefer Hillary to Trump.


Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 06:09 PM (U7v0V)


Hell they'd rather lose with Paul Ryan than win with Trump too

Posted by: Buzzion at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (z/Ubi)

88 >>>IF Reagan had not been elected President, you would not be saying that today. You have get to the White House BEFORE you can make real history. I think you are putting the cart before the horse

except for the paper trail of his brilliance that existed long before his presidential campaign

except for all that, Trump's exactly like Reagan.

Why, Reagan didn't know anything about politics in November 1980 and then suddenly in January 1981 got fucking brilliant.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (dciA+)

89
The panicking is sickening.

On the other side is a FELON who should be in prison. But Trump said the word "Mexican" so the entire GOP is in a panic.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (XgPhs)

90 Pride goeth before the fall.

This whole thing does reek of a fucking greek tradgedy- where all of the players know what a fucking disaster this is, but keep on doing what they fucking want to do, knowing it will fail.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (3ZoRf)

91 I just want to keep reminding everyone that Trump himself referenced the judge and his Trump University trial woes in his own speeches last week.

There is no conspiracy to sink Trump if he personally wants to bring up this issue. He even had a conference call telling his staff to ignore the memo to avoid the issue and instead to confront.

All for personal lawsuit.

Its not a lawsuit to stop the ACA or something.

He's personally being sued for fraud, for promising to hand pick instructors when in reality he just took the money and couldn't be bothered.

Instead of settling this lawsuit, say in late November, he has chosen to fight it out, using his position as a candidate for presidency to his advantage.

Now, let me tie this in with what Ace is saying:

I think Trump doesn't want to win. This was a PR lark to get his brand up. He expected to get maybe 20% of the votes tops.

For a while winning was thrilling. Killing off the GOPe losers was fun.

But now he realizes if he wins its 4 years of decisions about a whole lot of stuff he has never really thought about.

And to win, he has to spend his own money. So he told the RNC they would have to spend the money, as Trump won't. And Trump has no organization.

Crazy theory?

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (UBBWX)

92
except for the incredible intellectual effort he had put into the cause for decades

except for for being brilliant and well read and a writer of astonishing lucidity


And two terms as governor of California.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 07, 2016 06:11 PM (IqV8l)

93 48 If the GOP actually ignores the results of the primaries, they will go the way of the Whigs.


We're not dead yet!!!

Posted by: Modern Whigs at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (mkRlP)

94

Stuff like this is why Trump is the nominee. They still don't get it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (qCMvj)

95 The trouble with your logic is that it cuts both ways: go with Trump, lose a large portion of the sophisticates and hence the election; go with a GOP-installed mainstreamer, lose the anti-GOPe constituency--and hence the election. And since the kind of coup you're describing will reinforce the widespread perception of the GOP as a liberal party run by oligarchic losers, it's likely that the mainstreamer would lose even more resoundingly.

Either way you get Hillary.

Posted by: Murray at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (lnL+g)

96 Holy cow, Ace wrote a lot of words today!

Posted by: and not a video game review among them at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (uhIjp)

97 I don't know what the hell, but if can't fault them for screeching about the judge thing. Regardless of whether or not Trump has a point (and he probably does): (a) he's worded it in what is probably the worst possible terms, actually inviting the charges of bigotry, and (b) this Trump U thing *is bad enough * without the finger pointing at the damn judge. It was a frigging scam. There really isn't a nicer way to put it. So why don't we all draw attention to the fact that our nominee put his name on a shady organization that defrauded ordinary people of thousands upon thousands of dollars by crapping on the judge for his ethnicity, eh? It's just stupid ass optics. The Trump U case is something the campaign should be hoping and praying goes away and, in the mean time, trying to minimize the shit out of it. Now everyone's talking about it because big mouth a-hole went after the judge.

This is a clusterfuck of epic proportions and it's going to end in President Pantsuits no matter what the GOP does here.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (KkVB6)

98 Seems like a missed one hell of a blogging day.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (R5HRU)

99 Cotton would be fine, but he didn't run. It would have to be a national figure with status who is so well known and liked he wouldn't have to run. Cotton is not it, Ryan is not it, Romney is not it.

The only guy with this kind of stature that I can think of would be Clint Eastwood, the former mayor of Carmel. But he is 86. Or Colin Powell, but he is a liberal Democrat.

Petraeus might have fit the bill if he hadn't screwed the pooch. Or rather, his biographer.

And we're talking Oprah-level name recognition to make it all work. But I can't think of a Republican who meets these criteria.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (laMCB)

100 At the time, Reagan was not Reagan, but just some asshole actor.

Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup

You're kidding, right?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (p2X2f)

No I am not..I know he was Governor of CA, but That is not why he is idolized for today. If he had not been President, he would just have been anther Gov.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (Ozsfq)

101 I don't think Cotton has enough stature Ace.

If the GOP is going to overturn the primary result they better find a broadly acceptable candidate with big time stature. I have no fucking idea who that could possibly be, but only political wonks know who Tom Cotton is.

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (/m8T6)

102 I didn't know what Cotton's position on immigration, so I did a quick search and the first words in my browser were "Elian Gonzalez." Oh wow. So Cotton is one of those total fanatics who thinks that ripping some kid away from his father is right thing to do, in the name of FREEDOM. So colossally stupid. Anyway, I would support a new candidate, but all the new candidates all suspiciously support the same neocon foreign policy, once again making me suspicious that all the opposition to Trump has nothing to do with UMC status anxiety or racism but above all with foreign policy.

Posted by: bjk at June 07, 2016 06:13 PM (I4fRj)

103 At this point, the only qualifier for a potential parachute nominee is this:

Don't be a narcissistic sociopath.

The bar is really that low.

Posted by: Daisy at June 07, 2016 06:13 PM (vaFpc)

104

Can you believe we have to listen to the SCOAMF campaigning again? Vomit-inducing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:13 PM (qCMvj)

105 They are using "Keep America Great" as the slogan for the latest retarded "Purge" movie.

Posted by: steevy at June 07, 2016 06:13 PM (B48dK)

106 The GOP does not WANT to beat Clinton. She is the best possible deal *for them.* Make that fact the starting point of all your thoughts this election season, if you haven't already, and everything that's going on will make sense.

Posted by: doomed at June 07, 2016 06:13 PM (bGLSw)

107 >>>v
And two terms as governor of California.

except for that. and debating all of Oxford University about the Vietnam War, and beating them all, and making his co-panelist Robert F. Kennedy (on his side for the debate) look like the drunken fratrat he was.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:13 PM (dciA+)

108 I'd be okay with Cotton, hypothetically.

But this all seems to hinge on polling; why no mention of the PPP poll that puts Trump up by 1 in swing-state Florida. At this point in the game national polls are essentially worthless.

And when will the GOPe abandon Karl Rove for HIS racist comments that are much further beyond the pale than what Trump said? Oh, wait. He's in the club.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at June 07, 2016 06:13 PM (rvzMR)

109 75 years to get out all of Hillary's emails, that is if you want it double spaced and hand written by a scribe in a nice calligraphy style with a quill pen.

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 06:13 PM (3wHFl)

110
In what movie did the hero take charge at the scene by telling the FBI agents what to do, and then said to two FBI agents, "....and you two...panic."

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:13 PM (XgPhs)

111 If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (25+/B)

112 Another thing that annoys the hell out of me: we are fucking used to this!?! We KNEW that any candidate that we put up would be accused of racism and so on and so forth. What did you think that would involve, cupcakes?

Ace is right, this is merely the people on high using this as an excuse to indulge their own preferences.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (3ZoRf)

113 I suppose if the FBI primary disqualifies Hillary somehow then the GOP could take advantage of the tumult to replace Trump simultaneously.

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (/m8T6)

114 If the GOP is going to overturn the primary result they better find a broadly acceptable candidate with big time stature.

My friendsshh...

Posted by: John McCain (M)averick at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (8ZskC)

115 So what's at the top of my priorities list?:

1) Hillary appointing three Supreme Court justices

or

2) The social and economic status of Mitch McConnell and Bill Kristol?

Posted by: Ramalamadingdong at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (RcpcZ)

116 >>>The only guy with this kind of stature that I can think of would be Clint Eastwood, the former mayor of Carmel. But he is 86.

yeah not gonna happen

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (dciA+)

117 "But Trump said the word "Mexican" so the entire GOP is in a panic"

Yes, Trump has said nothing bad except one single word, once.

He didn't ask US troops to kill the family members of terrorists, something Israel doesn't do, and would be a war crime.

He didn't indulge in conspiracy theories.

He didn't compare Ben Carson to a child molester.

Nope, Trump just used the word Mexican without any context and now he's in trouble.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (UBBWX)

118 Don't see this happening. Yeah I think Wall Street is going to be hella nervous about Trump and go all for Hillary for stability, but if anyone else gets the nom in a chaotic convention/dumpster fire/shitstorm, makes the whole party look unstable - which it is, but DON'T ADVERTISE. Trump is wildcard, fistful of lottery tickets, throwing your wallet down on the double zero, going to Chipotle wearing a Make America Great ballcap - YOLO!!

On a separate topic, do you think anyone can send Tara Reid scripts? Is she in the phone book?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (BRgcl)

119 "Stuff like this is why Trump is the nominee. They still don't get it."

Yup

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (U7v0V)

120
Instead of nominating the man who won by the rules, with a majority of pledged delegates bigger than Romney in 2012, with an overwhelming plurality of the polular vote an ant's ass short of an absolute majority, with more Republican primary votes than any other person in history, we're going to give the nomination to this guy we know.

'kay.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (kdS6q)

121 It's of particular note that the Democrats are running a thoroughly corrupt (and everyone knows it), lying, nasty, law-breaking, reckless candidate...and they could care less. Cankles will not be jettisoned by her party. Ever. No matter what she does.

OTOH, Trump, clod that he is, vulgar, ill-mannered, bad-grammared, saying stupid things guy will likely be jettisoned to the moon by his party. Because he's not up to their "standards," such as they are.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (+FSld)

122
You know what's really so friggin maddening about this?

The Republicans had 4 years to prepare for this election. And this is what we end up with.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (XgPhs)

123 But this all seems to hinge on polling; why no mention of the PPP poll that puts Trump up by 1 in swing-state Florida. At this point in the game national polls are essentially worthless.

____

Narrative. Fit. Not.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (0LHZx)

124 >>>At the time, Reagan was not Reagan, but just some asshole actor.

Sigh

...

except for the incredible intellectual effort he had put into the cause for decades

except for for being brilliant and well read and a writer of astonishing lucidity

except for all that -- Trump's just like reagan.



that, and be twice elected governor of the most populous state in the union.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sexual Tyrannosaurus at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (rwI+c)

125 No I am not..I know he was Governor of CA, but That
is not why he is idolized for today. If he had not been President, he
would just have been anther Gov.

Posted by: Nevergiveup
///
A governor who signed a bill legalizing abortion in CA and then there's the Lanterman-Petris-Short act.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (dZ756)

126 It's TARP all the time around here lately.

Posted by: nip at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (r73Jl)

127 >>Bob Corker trying to explain away his fig-leaf approval of King Putt's Iran "deal" is fucking hilarious. What a POS.

You should go back and look at the facts of what happened including the year long build up. Don't just believe what you believe from the right-O-sphere.

What Corker said happened did happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (/tuJf)

128 >>>I'm tempted to say "No," to warn them away from these possibilities, but as I've said before, my real imperative is STOP HILLARY CLINTON

This was always part of the problem with having opposed Trump then falling in behind him for the (R) win. Without trying to open a debate about the accuracy of such beliefs, presumably you, if you oppose him, believe his critics about his underlying progressive and authoritarian mindset and perhaps even worse things beyond that.

Believing that, then falling in behind him as soon as he clinches the nom, you could never ever ever turn back to the GOPe and say, "I have minimum standards, you need to respect them." You don't, quod erat demonstrandum. Your desires in a candidate do not have to be respected, ultimately, when the decision gets made. And going forward your desires won't be.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (0q2P7)

129 My goals are more varied:

Stop Hillary
Destroy the GOPe.

Its not enough to simply do one of those. Both must be done, not out of some desperate hope we can turn this ship around, its already broken in half and people are falling into the sea. But out of justice and honor. They must be both done.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (39g3+)

130 "If the GOP is going to overturn the primary result they better find a broadly acceptable candidate with big time stature. I have no fucking idea who that could possibly be, "


That person would have to know they are a guaranteed loser. Who's going to risk that? Disenfranchise 40% of the primary voters and you think they're just going to merrily show up vote happily for some asshole they never selected in November???

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (LA7Cm)

131 Has it occurred to you that Trump can beat Hilary if he never let's up on her history of corruption and secrecy? As a conservative I never bow down to bullies, the sniveling media nor rinos and neither does Trump, every now and then you need someone to come along and empty the trash can and I think Trump can do it. Frankly the rinos' wailing around clutching their pearls whilst hosing the rest of us with toilet water isn't helping, grand pa use to say shite or get off the pot. I don't like Trump but I think he's the tonic this nation needs, frankly all this nonsense of civility and bipartisanship is absolute propaganda.

Posted by: Rose at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (Tporc)

132 Actually, this may be all for nothing.

I'm not 100 pct. sure of this, but I think I know who the next prez is going to be:

Obama.....



....Michelle Obama.

Just think, she is 100 pct. African-American (we all voted for Barack's white half, ya know), and she is a woman. Race and gender cards for everyone! Contrary to what appears to be happening with Trump's "anti-PC" tactics, I think everyone will fall in line by voting for the black woman with a background "of 400 years of slavery and oppression" (Barack is only half-black, so he can claim, at best, only 200 years). You see, the most pants-shitting-terrifying thing to happen to your typical American is to be called a racist or sexist.

Posted by: SMOD Spotter at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (Wy2EO)

133 Too tired for this endless panicked guessing and second-guessing of dark, paranoid forecasts of an unpredictable future.

And when MARK KIRK is your harbinger....sheesh.

Posted by: Iteration #14,629 at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (OkKDg)

134 The GOP symbol needs to be changed from the elephant to the lemming. To the ocean cliffs! Advance!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (Nwg0u)

135 >>>But this all seems to hinge on polling; why no mention of the PPP poll that puts Trump up by 1 in swing-state Florida. At this point in the game national polls are essentially worthless.

because the Upper Middle Class Whites, a very key part of the GOP coalition, is unremittingly, passionately, emotionally, angrily opposed.

they won't be coming along. or they'll be coming along at a rate of like 40%.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (dciA+)

136 What's Bruce Willis up to these days?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (8ZskC)

137 Can you believe we have to listen to the SCOAMF campaigning again? Vomit-inducing.





Posted by: artisanal 'ette


It's about the only thing he is good at. Unfortunately...

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (B8SNf)

138 "The GOP does not WANT to beat Clinton. She is the best possible deal *for them.* "

If this is true, they will keep Trump.

Which is most likely to happen.

Mitch may lose the Senate majority leadership, then.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (UBBWX)

139 here's a question

is it important that you absolutely LOVE the candidate you vote for? isn't that what the primary is for? and then when your heart is broken, you vote for the person who won the delegates....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (0O7c5)

140 How about Trudeau for president? He is so dreamy.

Posted by: bjk at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (I4fRj)

141 117 Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (UBBWX)

Horsefuck.

Israel absolutely killed Terrorist family members when necessary in response to Munich.

You need to research Operation Wrath of God....

Black September was wrecked.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (g8Hfr)

142 God ace, I hope you are right.



I smell what you smell, that sicking smell of burning flesh, aka defeat.



We can not lose to these people again.



Trump can NOT win. Sorry. If crooked Hillary is even polling even with Trump, he will lose his ass.



She is a loser from the start and she is still around?



How did we get here? I seriously blame the Bush assholes that pushed Jeb. Their arrogance sucked out a lot of money and left us with bull shit.


Posted by: John McLame at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (jJRIy)

143

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6whjduJcFw

Posted by: Joe Mama at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (beyEl)

144 Couldn't agree less with anything you said this time ACE. I am one of the Trump supporters that will not vote for anyone else at this point. I hate the repubs.
I have been coming to AoS for more that a decade. Don't come here so often anymore. Hardly recognize the place.

Posted by: UncleZeb at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (TElEC)

145 How about Jeb Bush?......anyone ever consider Jeb??...oh yea worst campaign since New coke

Posted by: MrKnowItAll at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (egzLR)

146 "IF Reagan had not been elected President, you would not be saying that today. You have get to the White House BEFORE you can make real history. I think you are putting the cart before the horse

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:10 PM (Ozsfq) "

There's a great Firing Line interview with Reagan in the run-up to the 1980 election. He's so clearly a deep thinker, a man of both principles and pragmatism who knows that you need to make compromises in the real world but has the deep convictions to know what ideals are off-limits when you're compromising.

I just don't see any of that in Trump. It's a difference of both style and substance.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (kumBu)

147 I've never seen people panic so easy.

Sigh

Talk about fox holes

LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (Ozsfq)

148 Nikki Haley, for the win!

Posted by: Lucas at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (zOBiw)

149
He didn't ask US troops to kill the family members of terrorists, something Israel doesn't do, and would be a war crime.

This and the other crap you listed is crap. No one really cares about this shit. It's media noise to pester voters...just like you're doing here all the time.

btw, you forgot how Trump insulted every single POW.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (XgPhs)

150 Ace, you need to get out more.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (5f5bM)

151
And mind you, all this for saying mean things about an Obama appointed* judge.

*And confirmed by voice vote, natch.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (kdS6q)

152 I think we're dreaming that the GOP would give us Cotton.

I mean, I'll push on the whole idea of the establishment re-writing the rules to get rid of Trump. At the very least they're wondering if they can and what the consequence would be.

But they wouldn't do any better at putting forward a "uniter" candidate than they did when the primary cycle started.

Plus, they still hate us.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (M0ddJ)

153 If the GOP actually ignores the results of the primaries, they will go the way of the Whigs.


====

GOP is the bigger enemy.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (Cq0oW)

154 I'm to the point I just want Hillary punished, and that means incarceration.

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (3wHFl)

155 This country is fucked. The supposed Conservative party can't even muster the balls to say a Federal fucking judge in a Mexican advocacy group might have a conflict of interest.

Speech codes for everyone!!!!

Posted by: LawLurker at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (zKwtX)

156 >>>It's of particular note that the Democrats are running a thoroughly corrupt (and everyone knows it), lying, nasty, law-breaking, reckless candidate...and they could care less. Cankles will not be jettisoned by her party. Ever. No matter what she does.

OTOH, Trump, clod that he is, vulgar, ill-mannered, bad-grammared, saying stupid things guy will likely be jettisoned to the moon by his party. Because he's not up to their "standards," such as they are.

...

i agree, but you don't understand how status-conscience and class-prideful the Megyn Kelly Type is.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (dciA+)

157 I hope nobody's too pissed at me from this post.



No. Its good.

I'd like to place as much faith in polls as you do. But I simply can't.

You place faith in polls and come to one conclusion. Fair enough. I place zero to no faith in 'self report' (a psychological term) which describes how people constantly lie to others. If any election called for people, embarrassed to admit their intentions in the face of massive social shaming, it is this one.

One of us is correct.

Posted by: Lice Wags at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (ZnIt3)

158 Honestly, f*ck the GOP elites. F*ck 'em good and hard. They had every chance to stop this disaster. All they had to do was get Kasich to stop his ego parade and let Cruz take it from Trump. But noooo they decided Cruz was too uppity for them and let Kasich sink him. Cruz wasn't one of them, so they couldn't let that happen.

They despise conservatives as much as they hate Trump, so they deserve every bit of this nightmare scenario.

Posted by: specialkayel at June 07, 2016 06:17 PM (h3Diz)

159 Three words....


"I'll be back....."


rite? know'm'sayin?

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (qUNWi)

160 I still don't get the assumption that opposition to Trump equates to protecting reputations/class privilege. Can I not object to an ignorant sociopath on the grounds that he is an ignorant sociopath who should not be placed in a position with power over other human beings?

Posted by: raul johnson at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (MiBr0)

161 that, and be twice elected governor of the most populous state in the union.
Posted by: Grump928(C) Sexual Tyrannosaurus at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (rwI+c)

____

I believe at the time, CA was #2 and NY was still #1

Posted by: The Pedant at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (0LHZx)

162 I'm supposed to be impressed by kirk's unendorsement? By abdullah ryan's remarks about waycism?

Can I pass on both please?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Fired from driving the Scooby Van at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (WVsWD)

163 He didn't ask US troops to kill the family members of terrorists, something Israel doesn't do, and would be a war crime.

Obama and his drone operators would like to talk to you about a few facts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (39g3+)

164
We'd be hearing pretty much the same crap if anyone else was the nominee.

But please tell me how bad Trump is for wanting to bring back waterboarding, too.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (XgPhs)

165 The Republicans had 4 years to prepare for this election. And this is what we end up with.


>>>>>Jebediah.

That was their plan.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (qUNWi)

166 Ideally, Trump would withdraw and endorse someone.

If my theory is correct that Trump doesn't really want to be president, he might be convinced to do that.

If we had some face-saving reason for him.

But as we saw with Akin, even if he was supported by his Dem opponent, he still thought he was going to win thanks be to God.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (UBBWX)

167 Ace - What if Trump chooses Tom Cotton as his running mate as has been suggested?

Posted by: madtechie at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (mxMho)

168 There's a great Firing Line interview with Reagan in the run-up to the 1980 election. He's so clearly a deep thinker, a man of both principles and pragmatism who knows that you need to make compromises in the real world but has the deep convictions to know what ideals are off-limits when you're compromising.

I just don't see any of that in Trump. It's a difference of both style and substance.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:16 PM (kumBu)

That's not my point and I am not comparing trump to Reagan. Ace did that. All I said and it is true is that if Reagan had not been elected President, he would be be the "legend" he is today and nobody would be comparing anyone to him.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (Ozsfq)

169 "And we're talking Oprah-level name recognition to make it all work. But I can't think of a Republican who meets these criteria.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at June 07, 2016 06:12 PM (laMCB)"


I can think of two, Tom Selleck and Mel Gibson. And the worst part is that I am not even joking.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (QHgTq)

170 i agree, but you don't understand how status-conscience and class-prideful the Megyn Kelly Type is.


get em drunk and their skirts will come up.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sexual Tyrannosaurus at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (rwI+c)

171 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (BRgcl)

I'm likin yo style

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (R5HRU)

172 to me this is just transactional: After Obama, there is no dignity in the White House or the presidency. There is nothing bright left to tarnish.

So this is just a pragmatic, transactional move.

but many people see the president as some kind of semi-secular High Priest and have this (antiquated and silly, if you ask me) idea that he should "represent them."

Well, either the lying drunk Hillary or the lying teetotalar Trump is going to be president. So... you're not going to get your high Avatar either way.

except... for the people online making the case that Hillary Clinton would be preferable.

And there's a lot of them.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (dciA+)

173 Crazy theory?

yes
head to bellvue if east coast or valley med if west coast

Posted by: concrete girl at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (ceWrl)

174 Roooooooooodyyyyyyyyyy

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (qUNWi)

175 So, Who Is the GOP Going to Install as Its Nominee Instead of Trump?

==============

Hillary Clinton bc all this nonstop attacking of Trump instead of Hillary is going to get her elected.

I want to know why they are dragging their feet in the criminal investigation against her? At least they shd be up front in saying they are delaying it in order to help her get elected.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (iQIUe)

176 If so, Hillary will win.

Make note of her running mate. Her health won't allow her to see the 2020 election.

Posted by: Golfman at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (48QDY)

177 The establishment hated Nixon in 1968 too.

Posted by: Joe Mama at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (beyEl)

178 Off McLame sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (jJRIy)

179 "The Republicans had 4 years to prepare for this election. And this is what we end up with."

Too many candidates. And Trump is a special case. Very cozy with NYC media. Famous from TV. Chose some undervalued policy positions. He's also pretty entertaining.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (UBBWX)

180 Perhaps Trump is merely the gas giant that clears the orbit of all obstacles, and it is actually Tom Cotton who is SMOD.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (jR7Wy)

181 You've given us a lot to ponder today ace...


Kind of a scary moment in time.

Throwing Trump under the bus would be insane, but mankind is not rational and this is not a normal election cycle.

Posted by: Max Power at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (q177U)

182 except for the incredible intellectual effort he had put into the cause for decades


except for for being brilliant and well read and a writer of astonishing lucidity


except for all that -- Trump's just like Reagan.


I was there. In 1980, Reagan was portrayed in the media as a racist, sexist boor, a womanizing self-centered illiterate lower-class mentally-unbalanced RAAAAAACISS who was going to start a war with Russia and get us all killed.

It was just as much bullshit as Trump's portrayal in the media.



Posted by: Danby at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (PNULu)

183 Barack is only half-black, so he can claim, at best, only
200 years.


Posted by: SMOD Spotter at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (Wy2EO)


Actually, the black half is from East Africa, where his father's Muslim tribe was known to own and trade slaves. And his white half includes slave owners. So JEF not only has no slave blood in him, he certainly has slave owner blood, and may even have slave trader blood.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (5f5bM)

184 Wow, I never thought Israeli counter-terrorism policy would somehow be relevant.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (NUqwG)

185 No a chance in hell on Cotton.

The guy gets my attention and I want to like him but, if he was going to go for the big chair, he need to go through the primaries. No one has a clue who the fuck he is outside of conservatives that like his YouTube moments.

You know who else conservatives loved for their YouTube moments? Chris Christy, Rubio, Scott Walker...

But none of that is the reason the GOP wouldn't got for him. They wouldn't do it because he talks like a conservative.

If there's shenanigans, the GOP White Knight will be Ryan. It will be a replay of the Speaker bullshit. They will keep postponing votes until everyone agrees to vote for him while he whines about working on weekends and wanting more time with his family.

Posted by: Damiano at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (71OEY)

186 The GOP is fine with Hillary winning. They support her trade, immigration policies and social policies. They'll only too happily fund her budget. They'll make token objections to her executive orders, but the fact is they love executive over reach and law-making by regulatory agencies because it prevents them from having to vote openly against their constituents' interests.

Posted by: obladioblada at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (WVxCU)

187 This may get me banned, but what the hey...

I beg and implore all of you, ace included, who are panicking, to calm down, grow a proverbial set, and get ready to fight not for Trump, but against the left and all it stands for.

I believe ace said it here: these people want to destroy you and your way of life.

I am sorry that the fight will be hard and against our better natures but unfortunately there is no choice. They have brought war and it must be dealt with. The hand wringing and over-analysis and dramatic preening and posturing must end.

More on the topic at hand: ANY Republican candidate would be called racist. ANY of them. Too many regulars around here don't understand that the media hates us and is against us. No amount of playing by the rules will change that.

Posted by: GeoSTI at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (xHxgV)

188 These principled stands are going to be great to look back on while Hillary is fucking up what's left of the country. Thank God we have the true conservatives of the National review and their ilk to save us stupid conservative voters from ourselves. I'm sure we will learn our lesson and vote for whatever pro amnesty, pro gay, pro wall Street candidate you guys force upon us next time.

Posted by: The Drizzle at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (Ip9P1)

189 163 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (39g3+)

That's TOTES different...and I forgive Obama for killing my dad and you know me...

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/04/abdulrahman-al-awlaki-obama-drone

//Abdulrahman al-Awlaki Aged 16 US Citizen No trial

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (g8Hfr)

190 Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:14 PM (UBBWX)


Imagine how bad it would be if he said 'Mexican invasion" of the U.S.

Holy crap, it'd be Yuuuge!

Posted by: willy at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (Ffw22)

191 If the GOPe pulls this shit, Trump will go Indie, get 15% of the vote and hand Hillary a 47 state win. And the GOPe is too stupid to realize this.

Posted by: The Pedant at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (0LHZx)

192 except for all that -- Trump's just like reagan.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)

Ace, I'm not sure if you are old enough to have been in politic land when Reagan was running.

The things that were said about him in the media were unbelievable. Everything from his age to him being an idiot actor, to who would want him with his finger on the nuclear button to being a cowboy to on and on.

The advantage Reagan had was the country was in utter shambles. We had hostages that had been held in Iran for a year. We had launched a failed rescue attempt. We had gasoline lines that stretched for blocks at gas stations. We had low job growth and much higher inflation that we have now.

Trump has a country with "two Americas" as John Edwards described. Much of the country is also experiencing low job growth, higher food prices, the threat of terrorism, illegals, etc. But there is a swath of the country in the NE and other urban centers that have done well due to the stock market, govt. bailouts etc. They don't have the concerns that most of the country has, and they do have the power.

It's not as easy, frankly, as Reagan's campaign was.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (wNbGM)

193 Off Pedant sock

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (0LHZx)

194 >>>I'd like to place as much faith in polls as you do. But I simply can't.

it's not just polls. It's just asking: Do we have our coalition intact?

We do not. We will not. NRO will come out and endorse either Gary Johnson or even Hillary.

I know you say "Tat's just NRO."

No, but NRO stands in for milions of *like-minded* UMP class-conscious republicans.

It's not just NRO -- it's that type of person.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (dciA+)

195 I can think of two, Tom Selleck and Mel Gibson. And the worst part is that I am not even joking.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (QHgTq)

If we are thinking outside the box, Selleck would be the go to. Gibson is a bit too... crazy artist (and that is being generous- and I like his work.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (3ZoRf)

196 This may get me banned, but what the hey...

I beg and implore all of you, ace included, who are panicking, to calm down, grow a proverbial set, and get ready to fight not for Trump, but against the left and all it stands for.

I believe ace said it here: these people want to destroy you and your way of life.

I am sorry that the fight will be hard and against our better natures but unfortunately there is no choice. They have brought war and it must be dealt with. The hand wringing and over-analysis and dramatic preening and posturing must end.

More on the topic at hand: ANY Republican candidate would be called racist. ANY of them. Too many regulars around here don't understand that the media hates us and is against us. No amount of playing by the rules will change that.
Posted by: GeoSTI at June 07, 2016 06:20 PM (xHxgV)

Why would that get you banned...It is 100% true. Great post

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (Ozsfq)

197 Go ahead. Kick out Trump.

The GOP loses the presidency.

The GOP loses the Senate

The GOP loses the House.

But on the bright side, The CONSULTANTS GET PAID!!!

The Gravy Train keeps rolling. Until it all crashes.

Posted by: rd at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (v0YLX)

198 Everyone is coming around to where I was eight months ago.

Welcome aboard, Ace!

Worst. Election. Ever.

Posted by: brian at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (yN+Hh)

199 Just want to clarify. The Dems can draft anybody at the last minute and still be within both the DNC rules and the ballot listing rules for each state. Should there be any legal problems, I'm certain that there are judges chomping at the bit to help enable another Historic First!!!!

Posted by: SMOD Spotter at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (Wy2EO)

200 "Perhaps Trump is merely the gas giant that clears the orbit of all obstacles, and it is actually Tom Cotton who is SMOD. "


We haven't had enough space talk around here since CAC quit doing the Space Thread on Sundays. Thank you.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (LA7Cm)

201 So: keep the 25 percent of the virtue signalers and watch much if not most of the other 75 percent walk? Yeah, that's pretty much setting up Hillary as POTUS, which I suspect is what is underway anyhow. The GOP deserved to die. If it goes this route, it will.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (9EIfi)

202 we can't win without the gope filth? au contraire

we cant win WITH these quislings.
mcstain and mittens immediately come to mind, along with a never ending list of legislative backstabbings.

let them play calvinball at the con to jettison Trump. the more people that see the futility of voting for the law of rule, the greater the chance that some individuals will begin taking effective action against the left and their gope lapdogs.


Posted by: Grad School Fool at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (swEzU)

203 trump may be an asshole. but, he is not an alchohol laced anal fissure fossil like that skank from chitown. great fuckin choice america. way to go dipshits.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (ucDmr)

204 I really, really, really admire this post. I really, really, really don't want it to be true though. The jury's still out.

Posted by: rechill at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (IIRUt)

205 Ace is on the same page as me- I want to beat Hillary regardless of who it is.
Ryan would be a guranteed loss as would Rubio as Conservatives won't turn out for them.

I suspect the GOPe would rather lose with an "acceptable candidate" than win with an embarrassing one. And no, I don't think Trump can win. There was some brief hope, but I see the Bernie-bots lining up behind Hillary.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (uhftQ)

206 The establishment has no pulse. They're a bloodless cadaver on a slab in the morgue. Sure, if you want to make a muscle group jump or a tendon retract, a little stimulus can be applied to effectuate a result, but generally speaking they're a loose bowel of little note.

Posted by: Fritz at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (f40FU)

207 "Hillary Clinton bc all this nonstop attacking of Trump instead of Hillary is going to get her elected."

LOL. Maybe Mr. Trump could stop referencing the Mexican in his own speeches, then?

Trump chose to ignore the jobs report.

He chose to ignore the San Jose violence.

He wanted to talk about how unfair Mexicans are to him. Because he takes everything super personal.

He had a conference call and told his staff to focus on this issue.

Trump is like Todd Akin. His dumb utterances must be answered by all. Its not fair, but its the reality.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (UBBWX)

208 Ace, I'm not sure if you are old enough to have been in politic land when Reagan was running.

The things that were said about him in the media were unbelievable. Everything from his age to him being an idiot actor, to who would want him with his finger on the nuclear button to being a cowboy to on and on.

The advantage Reagan had was the country was in utter shambles. We had hostages that had been held in Iran for a year. We had launched a failed rescue attempt. We had gasoline lines that stretched for blocks at gas stations. We had low job growth and much higher inflation that we have now.

Trump has a country with "two Americas" as John Edwards described. Much of the country is also experiencing low job growth, higher food prices, the threat of terrorism, illegals, etc. But there is a swath of the country in the NE and other urban centers that have done well due to the stock market, govt. bailouts etc. They don't have the concerns that most of the country has, and they do have the power.

It's not as easy, frankly, as Reagan's campaign was.
Posted by: Jen the original at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (wNbGM)

Also spot on.. You said it better than I did. Thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (Ozsfq)

209 "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would, more often than not, reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life"

Supreme Court Judge Sonia Sonia Sotomayor was a member of the National Council of La Raza for six years, according to her Senate questionaire, from 1998 to 2004.

Posted by: La Raza! at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (25+/B)

210

And Trump goes Independent.

Or they promise him something YUGE.

I can't see how they think this will work. Trump is a competitor, and he is one opponent close to victory. He will not go down easily. Nor will his uber supporters.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (qCMvj)

211 >>>At the time, Reagan was not Reagan, but just some asshole actor.

Sigh

...

except for the incredible intellectual effort he had put into the cause for decades

except for for being brilliant and well read and a writer of astonishing lucidity

except for all that -- Trump's just like reagan.



that, and be twice elected governor of the most populous state in the union.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sexual Tyrannosaurus at June 07, 2016 06:15 PM (rwI+c)


And how did that work out for him in 1976?

Posted by: Ramalamadingdong at June 07, 2016 06:24 PM (RcpcZ)

212 I want to know why they are dragging their feet in the criminal investigation against her?

The GOP isn't in charge of that. The Obama administration is.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:24 PM (39g3+)

213 At the end of the day, it's all about the wall. On November 8, when people go into the voting booth, they will either be voting for the wall or against it. It will all come down to that.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 07, 2016 06:24 PM (5f5bM)

214 Pee Wee Herman, because I like a guy with hands on experience.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 06:24 PM (Nwg0u)

215 >>> I can think of two, Tom Selleck and Mel Gibson. And the worst part is that I am not even joking.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (QHgTq)

I'm voting for Mel Gibson. Even if I have to write him in.

But first...

Posted by: Damiano at June 07, 2016 06:24 PM (71OEY)

216 "160
I still don't get the assumption that opposition to Trump equates to
protecting reputations/class privilege. Can I not object to an ignorant
sociopath on the grounds that he is an ignorant sociopath who should not
be placed in a position with power over other human beings?

Posted by: raul johnson at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (MiBr0)"

I think that you are kind of overboard on the ignorant sociopath thing. Donald Trump is a salesman. He is a gifted salesman, a sort of Platonic ideal of a salesman with all the strengths and weaknesses that implies.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 06:24 PM (QHgTq)

217 get em drunk and their skirts will come up.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sexual Tyrannosaurus at June 07, 2016 06:19 PM (rwI+c)

True dat

Posted by: Katie Couric at June 07, 2016 06:24 PM (jJRIy)

218 The Polls are complete bullshit.

Joe and Rita Sixpack are going to vote for Trump in overwhelming numbers. He'll destroy Hitlery. And then, the bitch will be indicted.

Relax.

Everybody has their panties in a wad over nothing.

R-E-L-A-X

Posted by: Sixkiller at June 07, 2016 06:25 PM (yxupc)

219 "Go ahead. Kick out Trump.

The GOP loses the presidency.

The GOP loses the Senate

The GOP loses the House.

But on the bright side, The CONSULTANTS GET PAID!!! "

Let's review:

Trump will lose. And the GOP will lose the Senate. (I hope Mitch gets fired if that happens...)

Trump is already hiring the consultants. So stop with this trope that the consultants won't get paid. They are all on the Trump Train, dude.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:25 PM (UBBWX)

220 They can't. They are too afraid of doing it and losing everything--WH and party and party percs.

Too many of Trump's supporters will not vote for the substitute.




Would have. Had Cruz beaten Trump during the primary.

Now? FUCK. YOU. WAR.
Especially after I was told repeatedly that the party can only run someone who ran in the primary and they can't change the rules.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 06:25 PM (LwB8i)

221
NRO will come out and endorse either Gary Johnson or even Hillary. I know you say "Tat's just NRO." No, but NRO stands in for milions of *like-minded* UMP class-conscious republicans.
Posted by: ace



And where were those millions of NRO swayed voters in the primaries, especially after the NR ran their Super Special We Hatez Trump issue?




Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 06:25 PM (kdS6q)

222 Are we really citing a Reuters poll with a D+16 weight that only included 10% independents as our reason to blow up the party, install a new nominee and lose 40 states?

Because holy shit we should have given up in 1980 in March because Reagan was down 30 to Carter I guess

Posted by: Make America Mexico Again at June 07, 2016 06:25 PM (6e9oS)

223 "More on the topic at hand: ANY Republican candidate would be called racist. ANY of them. Too many regulars around here don't understand that the media hates us and is against us. No amount of playing by the rules will change that"

Oh, we all understand that. It's Our Betters at the GOP headquarters who seem to think things will be difference if they just find the Respectable Moderate Nice Guy.

Romney waves to say "Hi diddly diddle, neighbor. "

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 06:25 PM (U7v0V)

224 >>I was there. In 1980, Reagan was portrayed in the media as a racist, sexist boor, a womanizing self-centered illiterate lower-class mentally-unbalanced RAAAAAACISS who was going to start a war with Russia and get us all killed.

And yet, Reagan was able to turn that around with a smile and with grace. He was able to debate his opponents intelligently and in depth on a wide variety of issues. When should we expect that Trump will have a similar moment?

I was there too. Trump is nothing like Reagan.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 06:26 PM (/tuJf)

225 Go ahead. Kick out Trump.

The GOP loses the presidency.

The GOP loses the Senate

The GOP loses the House.

But on the bright side, The CONSULTANTS GET PAID!!!

The Gravy Train keeps rolling. Until it all crashes.
Posted by: rd at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (v0YLX)


and the liberal media drops the mic, walks away and says "we're done here"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:26 PM (qCMvj)

226 get ready to fight not for Trump, but against the left and all it stands for.

The fight is coming to us, ready or not. They will not back down or slow down, they will not change course until you and I are dead or out of commission. Literally.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:26 PM (39g3+)

227 The Golden Rule. He who owns the gold makes the rules !

Posted by: Pimping for Paradise at June 07, 2016 06:26 PM (2X7pN)

228 FACT:

They take the nomination away from trump now he will go third party

And The FAB walks, strolls, right into the White House

I guess the people thinking this one up also came up with the Maginot Line.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:26 PM (Ozsfq)

229 They are too stupid to pick Tom Cotton. Will never, ever happen. Unfortunately. It WILL be Ryan because they've learned nothing except that 35-40% of the primary voters need to be punished.

Posted by: Brad at June 07, 2016 06:27 PM (arypP)

230 228 FACT:

They take the nomination away from trump now he will go third party

And The FAB walks, strolls, right into the White House

I guess the people thinking this one up also came up with the Maginot Line.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:26 PM (Ozsfq)

____

They can't be THAT stupid can they?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:27 PM (0LHZx)

231 I can't see how they think this will work. Trump is
a competitor, and he is one opponent close to victory. He will not go
down easily. Nor will his uber supporters.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (qCMvj)

When faced with defeat, often armies and parties rise to the occasion and win.

Currently we are looking at losing the Presidency AND the Senate. Accept the worse case and build on that.

Any candidate that would at least help us keep the Senate would be better than one that loses the Senate.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 06:27 PM (jJRIy)

232 Anyways, the only way this can work is if Trump himself withdraws for some reason.

GOP should be designing some face-saving reason he could use if he really does want out.

Otherwise this is the last hurrah, the 3rd losing election in a row, where parties actually get introspective.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:27 PM (UBBWX)

233 "First of all, I have heard that there are in fact schemes a-brewing to replace Trump with Ryan at the convention."

What's your source.

We've been through several iterations of #neverTrump, the last being Kristol with French.

I'm calling shenanigans,

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 06:27 PM (r1fLd)

234 They're panicking? Too effing bad. The globalist uni-party has spoken and I do not give a you-know-what.

Posted by: Plum at June 07, 2016 06:27 PM (h+OMg)

235 >>>Speech codes for everyone!!!!

It's kind of a crap charge. Sure you could spout it. But the Judge has been attending to this matter for how long? Is this his first unfavorable ruling? You can't expect the party to fall in behind uncut industrial grade stoopid.

It would be nice if they spent time on the stuff they can legitimately take a stand on, like liberal violence at Trump rallies. Whether you are supporting Trump or not, we should be able to agree that's abhorrent, not only that, but puts us at a risk of wide scale violence and conflict.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (0q2P7)

236 Maybe this guy is available - at least he can deliver a message more coherently than Trump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSw9_bsTzkU

Posted by: thrill at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (cDdZo)

237
Worst election?

I couldn't disagree more. This could possibly be the best election we've ever had.

Not because of Trump the man, but because Trump is a dose of reality. We need to air things out -- which we'd never do if any other R was running. Plus, the D nominee is Hillary Clinton. The only easier opponent the R nominee could have is Bernie Sanders.

No matter what the outcome in November, the Right will have a completely different landscape in 2017. The Republican party will be drastically changed. It's necessary if there's ever any hope of salvaging this sad republic.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (XgPhs)

238 And yet, Reagan was able to turn that around with a smile and with grace. He was able to debate his opponents intelligently and in depth on a wide variety of issues. When should we expect that Trump will have a similar moment?

I was there too. Trump is nothing like Reagan.


That's what it took back then to win, a Ronald Reagan. Today? In modern Idiocracy society? Honey Boo Boo culture? The world we live in where the Kardashians are our effective royal family?

It may very well be that Trump has what it takes to win.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (39g3+)

239 Trump is nothing like Reagan.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 06:26 PM (/tuJf)

Nobody said he was...Ace was lionizing Reagan and before he was elected President, the Press and the democrats were doing no such thing..and THAT is the only point I was making. And others here have also made that point.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (Ozsfq)

240 the GOPe doesn't care who wins in November, as long as they retain their personal grip on power, and the money, influence and status that goes with it...

i say burn the MFer down.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (iRosR)

241 Trump is already hiring the consultants. So stop with this trope that the consultants won't get paid. They are all on the Trump Train, dude.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:25 PM (UBBWX)


Wrong. He keeps firing them. Just like on TV.

Posted by: Ramalamadingdong at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (RcpcZ)

242

Trump should walk up to the podium tomorrow with his blueprint of The Wall.

Props always work.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (qCMvj)

243 I can think of two, Tom Selleck and Mel Gibson.

-
As much as I'd like to see a Mel Gibson/Glenn Beck ticket it ain't gonna happen because first we'd have to blow him.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (Nwg0u)

244 All Trump has to do is win 5% of the vote as an indie in FL, OH, CO, NC and VA and kankles has a landslide win. He can win 5% without spending a dime or campaigning for 5 minutes. This is so simple even a caveman could figure it out. But the brain trust of the GOP can't.

Unreal.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (0LHZx)

245 Again, not all the opposition to Trump comes from virtue-signalling, upper-middle-class, nose-in-the-air types. Thomas Sowell, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Ted Cruz, Ben Sasse, Mike Lee - they don't fall into that camp.

People can genuinely look at Trump and believe that if he wins, small government, individual freedom, Constitutional Conservatism has no electoral vehicle and almost no media presence.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (mFkVC)

246 *bug hits windshield*

****THIS PLANE'S GOING DOWN!!!!!!!*****

Posted by: This Election Season at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (OkKDg)

247 Iirc, it would be the delegates who vote the rules for the convention. So enough trump delegates would have to abandon him to form an anti-trump majority.

The only positive in the current situation is that she'd be so bad, we could have a 1980 election after this 1976 one. I'd rather avoid the Burning Times, but it's looking more unavoidable.

Silent as Cal. Always follow the Constitution. Great name recognition. Already won a prior contest in a landslide. As a write-in. Boaty McBoatface for 2016.

Posted by: A.G. at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (OtgWb)

248 To be consistent, I would go along with it and ultimately cast my vote for the R nominee, but I don't think it's smart.

I hate the GOP leadership, but I can't say with a straight face that they don't have anything to be worried about. I do, however, think that this game of making Republicans denounce other Republicans has yet to bear any fruit. Democrats are never asked to do this and they never play the game.

By in large, GOP leadership though did fall in line and Trump fucked it up, which is the exact reason why I couldn't vote for him in the primary.

Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (qed1T)

249 The Gravy Train keeps rolling. Until it all crashes.

Posted by: rd at June 07, 2016 06:22 PM (v0YLX)


It's already crashed.

We're just witnessing the passengers getting thrown through the windows... and fapping all the while...

Posted by: The [INSERT DESIGNATED ENEMY HERE] Train! at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (vBeA5)

250 Trump should walk up to the podium tomorrow with his blueprint of The Wall.

Props always work.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM

I've still got my pie charts, if y'all need 'em!

Posted by: H Ross Perot at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (71OEY)

251 Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 07, 2016 06:23 PM (uhftQ)

I'd turn out very begrudgingly for Rubio and Ryan.

I'm extremely disappointed with both of them, but they're better than Hilary.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (R5HRU)

252 "They take the nomination away from trump now he will go third party"

Trump can't go 3rd party.

That was always a BS threat.

He doesn't have enough money.

He's already having to use the RNC to run his campaign because he won't self-fund.

And he didn't settle his stupid lawsuit last year to avoid this entire issue.

He's kind of cheap. Cuts checks to vets only after WP starts pushing him.

Still hasn't released his tax returns even after promising a few weeks ago to do so.

You think that issue is dead? LOL.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (UBBWX)

253 I don't see 25% of the base taking that lying down. Never. Thus, the same suicide with the added bonus of donors re-seizing the reins. Fuck. That.
Posted by: Sporkatus at June 07, 2016 06:02 PM (wJH9g)

If the RINO scum install someone else, I will be content to step aside and watch Hillary win.

Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (ClpZf)

254 Sexypig, up above, explaining T-Rump's primary success: "Chose some undervalued policy positions." (one in a list of reasons)


Just laughing (darkly). At the wording.


"undervalued policy positions"


Well, one in particular. Amnesty. Reason for the dark laughter is that such a gigantic, key issue for the country in so many respects was ...... simply off the table, including for the "opposition" party (which had abortively pushed it, itself, just a few years before).


Not that one needs this, but there is no better index of the dysfunction of the country than the reality that amnesty could be simply left sitting there for an unconventional outsider to pick up.


Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (QDnY+)

255 Wrong. He keeps firing them. Just like on TV.
Posted by: Ramalamadingdong at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (RcpcZ)
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Manafort and all his fun, deep Kremlin connections is still right there.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (mFkVC)

256 197

Yep. Trump has a nightmare (for them) scenario chance at beating Clinton. Those who control the GOP won't stand for the slightest risk of that happening, even if they have to scuttle the party. Small price to keep their applecart upright and the revolving doors turning.

Screwed? Hah, no. We're...

Posted by: doomed, well and truly at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (bGLSw)

257 If people really want the party to fracture, then they should be hoping for a Trump loss. The recriminations, finger pointing and casting of blame afterwards will be epic, and it should be more than enough to destroy any party unity for good. Then we can see where the realignment takes us.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:31 PM (kumBu)

258 That's what it took back then to win, a Ronald Reagan. Today? In modern Idiocracy society? Honey Boo Boo culture? The world we live in where the Kardashians are our effective royal family?

It may very well be that Trump has what it takes to win.


Yep...I keep forgetting this but it's where we are.

The future is incredibly stupid and requires a tactless boor to run the show.

Trump is just the man for the jerb.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 06:31 PM (qUNWi)

259 245 Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (mFkVC)

Bwaha

as opposed to the steady stream of brilliant eloquent defense of conservative fiscal thought, federal restraint, and sane foreign policy vision we've been graced with from the GOP these last 8 years?

Yeah the GOP getting nutpunched?

Feature not a bug.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:31 PM (g8Hfr)

260 OT: i need a decon bath...

i voted Demonrat for the first time in my life today.

i sure hope Bernie takes #Failifornia

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 06:31 PM (iRosR)

261 Trump has already walked back some of his comments on this judge. He is talking about other things now like the secret service guy's book, jobs, economy but all the media wants to do is talk about this judge. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: IC at June 07, 2016 06:31 PM (a0IVu)

262 I've still got my pie charts, if y'all need 'em!
Posted by: H Ross Perot at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (71OEY)


I wonder if obama offered hillary his "used" columns.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:31 PM (qCMvj)

263 This is madness.

I'll be back when sanity prevails and there are no pigs sexy or not

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 06:32 PM (Ozsfq)

264 Popcorn.

Ace, a gentle reminder that some of us have non class based reasons for not getting on the Trump train. I would actually find his frankness (not the gratuitous insults, though) refreshing, if it weren't so full of lies.

I would vote for Cotton, though.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:32 PM (L7t0A)

265 >>Any candidate that would at least help us keep the Senate would be better than one that loses the Senate.

Correct. There is a shitload more at stake this fall than just the presidency. Give Hillary Congress and we are well and truly boned.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 06:32 PM (/tuJf)

266 If the RINO scum install someone else, I will be content to step aside and watch Hillary win.



Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (ClpZf)

Absolutely. Without a fucking doubt. In fact, if those RINO fucktards install someone else, I'll even vote for the FAB just to stick it up their asses.

Posted by: Sixkiller at June 07, 2016 06:32 PM (yxupc)

267 God, let the sun go down, I need to eat some thing and fck my goat.

Posted by: The Goat fucker, Mohamad at June 07, 2016 06:32 PM (jJRIy)

268 Trump can't go 3rd party.

That was always a BS threat.

He doesn't have enough money.

He's already having to use the RNC to run his campaign because he won't self-fund.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (UBBWX)

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He doesn't need to campaign. He needs 5% of the vote and it's a 1980 type of landslide for Hillary. And he'll get that 5% without spending a dime.

You RINOs apparently suck at math as badly as you suck at political strategery.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:32 PM (0LHZx)

269 I'd vote for Cotton in a heartbeat over a piece of garbage like Trump....but why would he willingly get involved in this disaster, either as a surprise nominee or as Trump's running mate? Either way he'd permanently attach the stench of losing to his political career.

Posted by: radar at June 07, 2016 06:32 PM (D1ut6)

270 If they are going to do this ugly, anti-democratic thing, then I would strongly suggest they do so with a man whose credentials among the ideological conservative right and the anti-amnesty right, and not one of their preferred effeminate RINOs.

Oh, Ace, my sweet summer child.

If they do this, they will never turn to the likes of Tom Cotton. Never. The whole point of all this is to teach the wacko-birds and hobbits a LESSON. A lesson in not presuming to go around doing things that properly belong to their betters, such as selecting the Republican candidate. The whole point is to drive the lesson home that the candidate will be a squish selected by the party elders, now and forever.

It might be Jeb! or it might be Rubio or it might be Ryan. It will not be anyone anti-amnesty and it won't be anyone who just stood up on the Senate floor and stuck it to "our respected colleague" Harry Reid.

Posted by: jaed at June 07, 2016 06:33 PM (tpjae)

271 People can genuinely look at Trump and believe that if he wins, small government, individual freedom, Constitutional Conservatism has no electoral vehicle and almost no media presence.
Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (mFkVC)

Ok, we agree. Trump is scum. However, what is the plan if you replace him?!?

1) Let Hilary win?
2) Lose the Supreme Court for at least a generation.
3) ???????
4) Victory?!?!

I am all for ideological crusades and spitting in the eye of the guys who come for me, but you have to have a plan beyond sitting in the street and setting yourself on fire.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:33 PM (3ZoRf)

272 Nothing is fucked here, Dude. Come on, you're being very un-Dude.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 06:33 PM (BRgcl)

273 The Gravy Train keeps rolling.

-
Rollin' rollin' rollin'.
Though the polls are swollen.
Keep those perks arollin'.
Fat Bribe!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 06:33 PM (Nwg0u)

274 Yeah the GOP getting nutpunched?

Feature not a bug.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:31 PM (g8Hfr)
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For Heavens sake, the GOP will still be there in some form no matter what happens, and the K-Street cockroaches will adapt and thrive.

What will be killed is the kind of Constitutional Conservatism the GOP paid lip service to and Cruz and a few others genuinely tried to advance.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:33 PM (mFkVC)

275 The problem for the Democrats is that Trump is a complete wild card. They don't know that he can't beat Hillary. Jeb? Easy win. Rubio? No problemo. Cruz? Cake. But Trump? Who the heck even knows what's going to happen.

And that has them nervous.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:34 PM (39g3+)

276 It may very well be that Trump has what it takes to win.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:28 PM (39g3+)


He certainly understood how to win the primaries, when all the smart set thought he didn't have a chance. I include myself among them. I was a Walker guy, then a Cruz guy. Trump understood something the conventional campaigns didn't. He had a simple message and people identified with him.
Is that enough for November? Maybe. It is about building the wall and clamping down on illegal immigration. People see it everywhere they go, their country is being transformed, and they will see it echoed in their multilingual ballots on November 8. His message to voters is, either we have a country or we don't. Everything else is just details. That may be enough.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 07, 2016 06:34 PM (5f5bM)

277 If the GOPe decides to pull this shit, I will probably not vote for preezy in the fall. I've vowed to NEVER vote for a Dem again, so no vote would be my only realistic choice.

I voted for McCain, and I detest that particular politician.

I voted for Mittens, and he was my absolute last choice in the primary.

But this would be an emfuckening too far.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 06:34 PM (gyKtp)

278 The only figure I can think of that would make every tribe happy would be Scott Walker.

Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 06:34 PM (qed1T)

279 >>> That's what it took back then to win, a Ronald Reagan. Today? In modern Idiocracy society? Honey Boo Boo culture? The world we live in where the Kardashians are our effective royal family?

It may very well be that Trump has what it takes to win.
.....

You might be right.

So, instead of Hillary we fully embrace Idiocracy? I don't see how this is an improvement.

Posted by: Damiano at June 07, 2016 06:34 PM (71OEY)

280 I love the sound of frothing, hyperventilating republicans.

Please proceed!

Posted by: Zeno at June 07, 2016 06:34 PM (mk1E9)

281 271 Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:33 PM (3ZoRf)

Worked for me!

//Buddhist Monk in Saigon

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:34 PM (g8Hfr)

282 There are certainly elements within the GOP that would love to replace Trump as the nominee by any means necessary. The reason think they won't is all the down-ticket races. They will have an easier time convincing the #neverTrumpers to come out and vote for all the other R's running for office even with Trump at the top of the ticket then they will have with trying to get all of the Trump supporters to come out and vote if Trump is removed by underhanded means.

If the down-ticket races weren't at stake, the GOPe would be happy to say fuck the Trumpers, but I just can't see them eating all those losses in the House, Senate, governors mansions, local legislatures, dog catchers, etc.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 07, 2016 06:35 PM (R+30W)

283 I'm hoping that one fine day in the near Future, Ace offers an Executive Summary at the top of his posts.

Posted by: Noam Sayen at June 07, 2016 06:35 PM (bIhmV)

284 God I hope they do this. THE CLOWN SHOW MUST CONTINUE!!

Posted by: The Dude at June 07, 2016 06:35 PM (SyKbw)

285 An addendum to my above: I would vote for Cotton, but be a rare exception. The people who have been so disgusted by the GOP since 2000 that they nominated Trump, 40-some-odd percent, mostly won't. This will give it to Hillary, which is the intent. The upside is the GOP dies.

No one knows who would win between Hillary and Trump at this point, and it's hard to imagine any of the others who ran being more or less tied at the moment.

I also was there when Reagan ran against Carter. Reagan was behind about 15 points in June from memory. Trump is no Reagan, but modern day America isn't the United States of 1980. No major party candidate can poll as low as Dole any longer.

If this even has a prayer, Trump has to voluntarily give it up to whoever is the substitute. I won't hold my breath.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 07, 2016 06:35 PM (9EIfi)

286 Lindsey Graham...who elected her in the first place? They outta be ashamed of themselves.

That bitch is always yammering on about things but never any thing that really matters. Hey Lindsey how about illegal immigration? How about repealing Obozo Care? How about cutting federal spending to "La Raza' and other hate groups? How about indicting Hillary? How about firing people at the IRS?

Ass clown.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 07, 2016 06:35 PM (ej1L0)

287 "People can genuinely look at Trump and believe that if he wins, small government, individual freedom, Constitutional Conservatism has no electoral vehicle and almost no media presence.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (mFkVC) "

Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of us at AoS who are still not pro-Trump don't have very many status or class concerns. I mean, I'm not all that worried that 'broseidon king of the brocean,' who I hate to admit isn't even a real person, might stop getting invited to the right cocktail parties.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (kumBu)

288 261 Trump has already walked back some of his comments on this judge. He is talking about other things now like the secret service guy's book, jobs, economy but all the media wants to do is talk about this judge. It's ridiculous.
Posted by: IC at June 07, 2016 06:31 PM (a0IVu)

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It's Ryan and Ms. Lindsey and Kirk who are keeping this story alive for another couple of news cycles. With friends like these....

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (0LHZx)

289 I will walk to the poll, scream, and walk back home.

Posted by: DaveA at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (DL2i+)

290 Would anyone else be ready to punch DrewM if it actually DOES turn out that Jeb is the nominee? After all this?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (3ZoRf)

291 269
I'd vote for Cotton in a heartbeat over a piece of garbage like
Trump....but why would he willingly get involved in this disaster,
either as a surprise nominee or as Trump's running mate? Either way he'd
permanently attach the stench of losing to his political career.

Posted by: radar at June 07, 2016 06:32 PM (D1ut6)


Agreed. I've given money to Cotton. He does not want his introduction to a broad national electorate to be as Trump's VP candidate. Consider Dan Quayle.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (5f5bM)

292 What will be killed is the kind of Constitutional Conservatism the GOP paid lip service to and Cruz and a few others genuinely tried to advance.
Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:33 PM (mFkVC)
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Why would it be killed? I am sure it would remain healthy and continue being just as ineffectual and irrelevant as it has been.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (NUqwG)

293 This Ramadan shit almost takes all the joy out of fcking my goat.



And NOT drinking water? WTF was Mohammad thinking? asshole.

Posted by: The Goat fucker, Mohamad at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (jJRIy)

294 Appropriately enough, I'm going outside to shovel horseshit. Real horseshit. You know, from horses.

Hasta Horde.

Posted by: Sixkiller at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (yxupc)

295 274 Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:33 PM (mFkVC)

That Cruz, and I with my donations tried to advance sane conservatism does not change the fact people like Ryan, people like Gabe undermined ANY attempt st sanity the last 8 years.

YOU threatened "OH NOES OH NOES CONSERVATISM WILL DIE IS DUH DONALD WINZ!"

Don't look now sport but Conservatism was killed by GOP fire not Democrat.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:37 PM (g8Hfr)

296 We're f ed and stuck with Trump, I see no hope in some contrived alternative candidate

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 06:37 PM (3wHFl)

297 Ok, we agree. Trump is scum. However, what is the plan if you replace him?!?

1) Let Hilary win?
2) Lose the Supreme Court for at least a generation.
3) ???????
4) Victory?!?!

I am all for ideological crusades and spitting in the eye of the guys who come for me, but you have to have a plan beyond sitting in the street and setting yourself on fire.
=====

That's the problem with the 'stay home and teach 'em a lesson crowd'.

Self immolation isn't going to stop the tyranny train.

If hitlery wins that way, Ryan and the gop "leadership" will think they should lurch further left.

Wrong lesson.

Posted by: willy at June 07, 2016 06:37 PM (Ffw22)

298 275 The problem for the Democrats is that Trump is a complete wild card. They don't know that he can't beat Hillary. Jeb? Easy win. Rubio? No problemo. Cruz? Cake. But Trump? Who the heck even knows what's going to happen.

And that has them nervous.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:34 PM (39g3+)


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Oh, no, no. You see a poll came out yesterday that said Hillary is up 11. Therefore, case closed.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:38 PM (0LHZx)

299 If Trump could just muster some self control and lob targeted missiles at the Witch of Benghazi and not lash out at every single thing. Jeez, man. He doesn't even need to talk about policy. Just exercise some self restraint.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:38 PM (L7t0A)

300 What will be killed is the kind of Constitutional Conservatism the GOP paid lip service to and Cruz and a few others genuinely tried to advance.

That died in 2014. Didn't you notice? How they all fought tooth and nail to kill the tea party and anyone nominated, then betrayed all their campaign promises to shove through everything Obama asked for with big crap eating grins? There is no room in the GOP for conservatism. Period.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:38 PM (39g3+)

301 ""undervalued policy positions"

I just meant the GOPe had undervalued them.

"He doesn't need to campaign. He needs 5% of the vote and it's a 1980 type of landslide for Hillary. And he'll get that 5% without spending a dime."

Are you sure its really cheap to get on the ballot? Because I have heard its not so simple. He'd have to spend money. Maybe he could just choose states where its easy.

Of course, you're forgetting that Trump himself faces defection of voters to the Libertarians. Trump is up in Utah by only 3%. He'd have to fight to win Georgia.

p.s. calling me a RINO because I don't support Trump...Eff You.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:38 PM (UBBWX)

302 I will walk to the poll, scream, and walk back home.

I will scream on the inside where no one can hear.

Push that pain deep deep down inside.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 06:38 PM (qUNWi)

303 I honestly thought Trump would get to the point where he would say

"holy shit, I'm going to have to actually do this"

and bow out because he didn't want to spend the money or lose and be a laughingstock his whole life.


But I never really bought into the "he's a secret liberal so I can't vote for him."

Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 06:38 PM (qed1T)

304 Ace ...

... nope. Anyone else the GOP installs will agree with the Progressives so much more than they disagree. You've literally spent all day laying out that point.

So please GOP ... do just that. And then let's have Hillary.

And then let's have you, and those like you, type on your keyboards that no longer work ... because freely posting ideology will no longer be allowed.

Fine by me. Let's do this. Hillary 2016.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (fiGNd)

305 "And the people who run it can change the rules as they like."
________

Maybe -- I'm spitballing here -- they can make a rule that only registered Republicans can vote in Republican primaries, to determine the candidate for, y'know, the Republican Party?

Probably too crazy to consider. Just putting that out there anyway.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (fuyqi)

306 Paul Ryan: because America is yearning for Screetch 2016

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (0LHZx)

307

The GOP must have been tipped that Shrillary won't get indicted. She's about to *cough* announce *cough* her *coughing* *barking* FEMALE B*TCH WIN *cough* *bark* *cough* *bark*.

So the panic is neon.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (qCMvj)

308 Not to mention that - wishful thinking aside - if they do that, they lose the party base. It doesn't matter who they nominate. It doesn't matter if they run Jesus Christ as their candidate and Zombie George Washington agrees to be his running mate. Throwing out the primary results at this point, with everyone else having dropped out... with the bad feelings that the party elders have downright cultivated for the last several election cycles... with foreign nationals attacking Trump supporters in the streets, and American public officials excusing it and cops standing around watching people be beaten... No.

And if there is an inamicable divorce between the party establishment and the voters, the voters take their votes with them out of the marriage. When the whole point of such a maneuver is "electability"... that doesn't look very electable.

Posted by: jaed at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (tpjae)

309
I pray these overproud do-nothing non-elites-but-think-they're-elites aren't throwing an election to Hillary Clinton for no reason other than their bourgeois sense of pride.


Oh, yes, I think they would. As a matter of fact, they're probably happier as the minority party. No demands to be met.

Posted by: Joanne at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (hgBpU)

310 No water and no brushing my teeth. My goat barely kisses me any more.



http://tinyurl.com/zjwqhpq

Posted by: The Goat fucker, Mohamad at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (jJRIy)

311 299
If Trump could just muster some self control and lob targeted missiles
at the Witch of Benghazi and not lash out at every single thing. Jeez,
man. He doesn't even need to talk about policy. Just exercise some
self restraint.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:38 PM (L7t0A)


Agree with everything you said. I'm afraid the guy has no self-control.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (1ZOkK)

312 They're just bitching for him to lose things their way.

Posted by: DaveA at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (DL2i+)

313 If they're going to do it--and it would seem a rather difficult proposition to swing even with Trump's early ineptitude at securing delegates who are personally loyal to him--I would hope that they'll at least pick someone who is as or more ruthless with regard to HRC as Trump is. If HRC is going to win, I want her crippled and with a Republican congressional contingent that is so personally hostile to her that Obama will mutter quietly, "Better you than me," as he heads off to his first post-Presidency tee-off.

Posted by: M. Scott Eiland at June 07, 2016 06:40 PM (Q77Pd)

314 Maybe -- I'm spitballing here -- they can make a rule that only registered Republicans can vote in Republican primaries, to determine the candidate for, y'know, the Republican Party?

Probably too crazy to consider. Just putting that out there anyway.
Posted by: FireHorse at June 07, 2016 06:39 PM (fuyqi)

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Only Reps voting in Rep primaries? Next thing you'll demand only citizens voting. And then only voting once.

You racist scumbag,.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:40 PM (0LHZx)

315 Well the one thing we can count on from the GOPe is they will do whatever it takes to screw the pooch this election. It is what they do; it is their nature.

Posted by: bill-o at June 07, 2016 06:40 PM (AWwDY)

316 300 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:38 PM (39g3+)

Person may want to check his/her six...

Paul Ryan is shoving a Bi-partisan duck up his/her 4th point of contact....

ICYMI Person Paul Ryan likes BAM so much he gave him 20 billion more than was asked for.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:40 PM (g8Hfr)

317 "That died in 2014. Didn't you notice? How they all fought tooth and nail to kill the tea party and anyone nominated, then betrayed all their campaign promises to shove through everything Obama asked for with big crap eating grins? There is no room in the GOP for conservatism. Period."

Boehner came out and admitted it.

And then he endorsed Trump with much enthusiasm.

Because Ted Cruz won't make deals.

This is why I don't think Trump is that great.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:40 PM (UBBWX)

318 Why would it be killed? I am sure it would remain healthy and continue being just as ineffectual and irrelevant as it has been.
Posted by: RioBravo at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (NUqwG)
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Cute.

Because, as I said, the GOP would stop paying it lip service and occasionally throwing it a bone. The party would become a European-style big government, identity politics nationalist thing. Guys like Lee and Cruz would be even more marginalized. The only electoral vehicle for Constitutionalists would be dead.

At the same time, the major "conservative" media outlets, FOX and Rush and the rest of talk radio, would swing into line behind Trump and the new look GOP. And the media voice of Constitutionalism would be gone.

Those are both results Hillary can't bring about.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:40 PM (mFkVC)

319 Can they nominate David French for top of the GOP ticket?

Posted by: The Dude at June 07, 2016 06:40 PM (SyKbw)

320 too many people are assuming that the gope gives a fuck if it loses or not.

what has the last 10 years of kabuki theatre tell you about the gope's responsiveness to their voters?

what has the last 10 years done to the WALLETS of the gope nomenklatura and politicians? have they lost money under barky and the democong, or has their net wealth as individuals gone up?

Posted by: Grad School Fool at June 07, 2016 06:40 PM (swEzU)

321 since i live in #Failifornia, it won't matter to me if the RINO Phucks screw over Trump.

he's the only candidate they have with even a ghost of a chance to win this state.

they shove in the RINO de jour, and i'll just vote the other seats/issues in November, and leave their sacrificial lamb swinging in the breeze.

F the GOPe

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (iRosR)

322 The stupid party will reach its apotheosis if they try this dumb stunt.

This is the party that, without even trying to gauge his viability, immediately pushed Jeb Bush to the forefront.

There's no reason to think they've gauged how something like this will go over.

I hope they do it because they'll be going into the fire. They have no idea of the rage that will explode if they attempt something like this. The genie is NEVER going back in the bottle and any attempts to make it so will cause the bottle to explode into a million sharp pieces of glass that will pulverize the people holding it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (4ErVI)

323 Appropriately enough, I'm going outside to shovel horseshit. Real horseshit. You know, from horses.

Hasta Horde.
Posted by: Sixkiller at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (yxupc)


heh, and I just put out my garbage to the curb

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (qCMvj)

324
Press this Button if Sen Kirk sez mean things about Trump

|[ PANIC]|

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (kdS6q)

325 Well, one in particular. Amnesty. Reason for the
dark laughter is that such a gigantic, key issue for the country in so
many respects was ...... simply off the table, including for the
"opposition" party (which had abortively pushed it, itself, just a few
years before).





Not that one needs this, but there is no better index of the
dysfunction of the country than the reality that amnesty could be simply
left sitting there for an unconventional outsider to pick up.







Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 06:30 PM (QDnY+)

I think we're saying the same thing in different ways. If you look through that lens, then getting crossways with the Mexican judge was a brilliant move, electorally, because it reminds people in the voting booth on November 8 looking at their multilingual ballots that he is going to build a wall and save their country. That may be enough. He may actually be the Master Persuader.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (5f5bM)

326 If they really want to win: Mad Dog!

Posted by: bill-o at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (AWwDY)

327 Would anyone with a promising political career chain attach himself/herself to the Trump raging clown show?

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (L7t0A)

328 Among Trump's jobs was to bring this group aboard,

Why isn't it their job to get on board?

Posted by: DaveA at June 07, 2016 06:42 PM (DL2i+)

329 For 9-10 months all we heard from the expert pundits was TRUMP CANNOT AND WILL NOT WIN THE PRIMARY!! So Trump won the primary. And did these assholes then say, well maybe we misjudged the electorate. Did they say maybe 2016 is a special year where things can't be predicted. No. They went right onto TRUMP CANNOT AND WILL NOT WIN THE GENERAL!!

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:42 PM (0LHZx)

330 Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (L7t0A)

Marco has no future

Posted by: The Dude at June 07, 2016 06:42 PM (SyKbw)

331 If you're going to do this despicable thing, at least do it by putting up a man Trump supporters could possibly support, not by putting up one of your preferred Ex-Im Bank Amnesty-loving US Chamber of Congress Establishment favorites.

Um, Ace, their nickname is The Stupid Party.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 06:42 PM (sdi6R)

332 breirbart has an article on ted cruz and others sponsoring a bill extending statute of limitations on restitution of nazi stolen art. decent enough, on moral grounds, and consistent.

the comments are blistering, that he's lyin' ted, a lib traitor, etc. that's the kind of poison from trump's smears i detest.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (WTSFk)

333 OT: i need a decon bath...
i voted Demonrat for the first time in my life today.
i sure hope Bernie takes #Failifornia


Guy walks into a bar and orders 10 shots of tequila, then downs them all in rapid succession.

Bartender says, "If you don't mind my asking, what's the occasion?"

Guy replies, "Voted Democrat for the first time today."

The bartender, being a proud Dem, says to the guy, "Here, let me give you on the house!"

Guy says, "Thanks, but no. If ten didn't wash the taste out of my mouth, what's one more going to do?"

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (YEelc)

334 So, instead of Hillary we fully embrace Idiocracy? I don't see how this is an improvement.

We're IN Idiocracy. Its a choice between dumb and wicked. Between crass and corrupt. Between scuzzy and evil. Nobody wins, but we sure can lose on an exponential scale worse.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (39g3+)

335 Clint Eastwood
Who cares about his finer policy points.
Clint Eastwood 2016: "get off America's lawn"

Posted by: wooga at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (0+LRx)

336 "Update: At least I pray these incompetent egotists have a plan along these lines."

So we're past Bill Kristol here, and we're now in the nth dimension of #neverTrump.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (r1fLd)

337 Would anyone with a promising political career chain attach himself/herself to the Trump raging clown show?

Chique ... have you not had enough yet of all these people with "Promising Political Careers" ?

I have.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (fiGNd)

338 "They're just bitching for him to lose things their way."

I actually think they should just not endorse Trump.

Just say, if he's elected we'll work with him.

Let Trump be Trump.

Is it just impossible to do that? Media seems eager to force everyone to endorse Trump. Then you own what Trumps says.

Am I wrong here? I kind of like Trump being Trump, but I don't want to be accountable for his shit.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (UBBWX)

339 Tom Cotton would be grand.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (CFc5L)

340 >>> Lose the Supreme Court for at least a generation.
....

Enough with this nonsense.

First, the Supreme Court is already lost and has been for several generations. You have to go back prior to FDR or Wilson to see anything resembling what the SC was supposed to be.

Fine. You've grown comfortable with the post Great Society new normal. Have you have forgetten about John Roberts? Trump could nominate Ted Cruz or Andrew Napolitano and we'd still have a left leaning court that approved Obamacare.

If you're counting on Ruth Bader Ginsburg to croak and get replaced... good luck. That bitch has been dead for 40 years but they just had her stuffed and roll her out when they need to.

Posted by: Damiano at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (71OEY)

341 327 Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (L7t0A)

Mark the Rube would be the catcher in a Burro show if need be...

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:44 PM (g8Hfr)

342 This scenario would not surprise me...

But flyover country won't turn out for a Trump replacement... as this would prove beyond a shadow of any doubt, that Washington does not care what they think.

The is the TEA party thing all over again.... Flyover country speaks... the Party then actively works AGAINST what they want....

The TEA party folks have morphed now into an even angrier Trump movement...

If that movement, after playing by the rules set up... gets their will ignored by the Elite essentially cheating? (as it will be seen in flyover country)....

Those folks will turn to an even ANGRIER movement..... pretty much inevitably.

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 06:44 PM (qf6WZ)

343 I think we're saying the same thing in different ways. If you look through that lens, then getting crossways with the Mexican judge was a brilliant move, electorally, because it reminds people in the voting booth on November 8 looking at their multilingual ballots that he is going to build a wall and save their country. That may be enough. He may actually be the Master Persuader.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (5f5bM)

____

Already having an effect in Florida:

Every poll had Hilalry winning anywhere from +1 to +4.

Until the last poll taken 6/2 to 6/5. What happened between 6/2 and 6/5?

1. The San Jose La Raza riots
2. The Mexican judge

And what did this last poll say? Trump +1

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:44 PM (0LHZx)

344 >>>Self immolation isn't going to stop the tyranny train.

Posted by: willy at June 07, 2016 06:37 PM (Ffw22)>>>

That ship has sailed. Time to unregister to vote and fly below the radar.

Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:45 PM (4ueYo)

345 Sigh.

This was going to be such a great day. Hillary would get her face shoved in dog shit in California. And I would smile.

Sigh. Oh, what might have been.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 06:45 PM (Nwg0u)

346 If you look through that lens, then getting crossways with the Mexican judge was a brilliant move, electorally, because it reminds people in the voting booth on November 8 looking at their multilingual ballots that he is going to build a wall and save their country. That may be enough. He may actually be the Master Persuader.
Posted by: Caesar North




It's not a strategy I could ever endorse because it's too risky, but I sort of was thinking the same thing.

I could see a voter looking at this controversy and saying "wow, this guy really is serious about illegals whereas everyone else was just blowing smoke"

The Hispanic vote will never be up for grabs for the GOP in my opinion anyway. McCain lost them like 70/30 and he cosponsored an Amnesty bill.

Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 06:45 PM (qed1T)

347 >>>321 since i live in #Failifornia, it won't matter to me if the RINO Phucks screw over Trump.

F the GOPe
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (iRosR)>>>

Dude, I'm not even voting in today's jungle primary. First vote I'm missing in decades. Fuck the GOP in its entirety, including Ellmer-loving Trump.

Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:45 PM (4ueYo)

348 "307

The GOP must have been tipped that Shrillary won't get indicted. She's about to *cough* announce *cough* her *coughing* *barking* FEMALE B*TCH WIN *cough* *bark* *cough* *bark*.

So the panic is neon. "

That she won't be indicted is baked into the cake. Someone from the FBI must have leaked to the GOP she won't be referred, which we all expected. If the GOP intends to do something this reckless, their skittish asses were (a) rattled that Trump wasn't leading prior to Hillary's coronation and (b) thought the referral would still sink her. Bad assumptions, both, really.

If this is the case, look for Paul or Marco to be talking 'bout that shiny city on a hill as half the party walks.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 07, 2016 06:45 PM (9EIfi)

349 "I still don't get the assumption that opposition to
Trump equates to protecting reputations/class privilege. Can I not
object to an ignorant sociopath on the grounds that he is an ignorant
sociopath who should not be placed in a position with power over other
human beings?
Posted by: raul johnson at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (MiBr0)"

This. I don't even care that much about how vulgar he is, but he has no redeeming qualities. He's not conservative in any way, shape or form. He's a malignant narcissist. He's a pathological liar. He's a colossal ignoramus. He's a carnival-barking mountebank. He shamelessly panders to Klukkers, neo-Nazis, and conspiracy theorists. He pushes odious conspiracy theories himself. He's a Putin enthusiast and a Russophile. He admires the Chinese regime for the Tienanmen Square massacre. He encouraged his supporters to riot and attack delegates if he didn't win the nomination. He swam in the same sewer of cronyism and patronage his cultists claim he will destroy. His only qualifying characteristic, his supposed business acumen, is a fucking joke, and his entire business history is a litany of bribery, bankruptcy, fraud, charlatanism, vig-skimming and failure. Anybody who invested in an index fund for 20 years would have gotten a far better return on their investment than he did with his inheritance. His only talents are lying and conning the gullible and vulnerable with his scams. Had he not inherited a large fortune he's be dealing three-card monte, selling meth, or sucking cock in a truck stop parking lot for a living.

Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at June 07, 2016 06:45 PM (ztrrs)

350 327 Would anyone with a promising political career chain attach himself/herself to the Trump raging clown show?
Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (L7t0A)

Part of what has made this season such a roller coaster is that the main political driving light (Trump) has skittered around like a bug on a hot plate. If he settled down a bit and stayed with his bread and butter (Immigration control, attacking the media, etc) he would probably attract more.

The thing is he is kind of like the drunk, violent guy at a college party just whirling around going everywhere and everyone is kind of standing back, waiting to see what he is going to do.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:45 PM (3ZoRf)

351 Caitlyn Jenner is a famous Republican.
And the Democrats 99% lock on trannies would drop to like 50%. We'd pick up like 10,000 trannies!

Posted by: wooga at June 07, 2016 06:45 PM (0+LRx)

352 Wait, wait, wait.

Are people here seriously imagining Trump would be against the Import-Export bank?

Once Boeing explains it to Trump, he'll decide its a great idea and should be extended to real estate deals where 10% of the sales will be to foreign nationals.

Trump: hates foreign trade but loves selling American land to foreigners.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:46 PM (UBBWX)

353 >>>Correct. There is a shitload more at stake this fall than just the presidency. Give Hillary Congress and we are well and truly boned.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 06:32 PM (/tuJf)>>>

I heard this before. That's why we had to give the GOP the congress in 2010 and 2014. Yet, the congress still did Obama's bidding (despite hilarious complaints by the press that they were obstructionists).

Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:46 PM (4ueYo)

354 Senate majority is at risk automatically because the class of '10 was so large for the GOP. Speaking of '10, that wave election occurred - literally - despite the GOP leadership's efforts to avoid putting forth any sort of specific platform or list of commitments (itself an astonishing, historic sort of thing under the circumstances). 2012 was barely any better.


And how in the hell did someone like T-Rump get the nomination?


One reason is relevant to both these phenomena.


The desperation of a chunk of the electorate, finally despairing of seeing any opposition from the opposition party.


And the response? Learn? Adapt? Co-opt? Classic political responses - especially in our de facto two-party system. Nope. Just what you're seeing here, and ace is describing.




Posted by: rhomboid at June 07, 2016 06:46 PM (QDnY+)

355 I've kind of wondered about this myself today with all the pearl clutching and swooning.

I don't think it's a widespread plan yet to dump Trump,

but I do think losers like Ryan and Miss Lindsay were just waiting for their moment.

Eh, we'll see.

At this point, if they dump Trump for Cotton or whoever, the Reps'll lose massively. House, Senate, Presidency, and SC in the end.

Because...and here's the thing-

it is a complete misunderstanding of who Republicans and Conservatives and the Middle Class are-

We are the people who play by the rules. We are the people who respect the law. We are the people who love this country and its traditions.

The "elite" had their fucking chance and got behind pudding-brained Jeb! until it was too late

and they lost, fair and square.

They could've got behind Cruz and salvaged a "win" for their system by having an elected Senator as the candidate.

But, they didn't. They starved him of money. And kept Katshit in to poison that possibility of a one on one.

Now they have Trump, who won, again, fair and square.

And now they are going to perform the ultimate cockslap on their voters faces-

by not only not doing what they promised to do if elected,

by not only laying down and never opposing TFG,

by not only leaving the borders completely open to terrorists, disease and an influx of illiterate, 3rd world yobbos who riot against free speech,

Now they're going to tell their voters, the ones who really believe in America, that our electoral system is all a made up game, in which they the voter always lose. No matter what?

That plan would work with Democrats but it surely won't with Republicans.


I'm now convinced that the entire GOP is run by a group of 12 year old mean girls from Mrs Swanson's Special Home for Extraordinarily Retarded Young Women.

Feh.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 07, 2016 06:46 PM (0cMkb)

356 Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:41 PM (L7t0A)

Marco has no future
Posted by: The Dude at June 07, 2016 06:42 PM (SyKbw)

He came to mind.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:46 PM (L7t0A)

357 If they decide to pull this after wasting the time of millions of people voting for him, that's worse then undemocratic. That's 3rd world country politics.

I'm out in that case. Will vote against every R on my ballot who supports the eventual nominee in that case. If our votes don't matter in the first place don't waste my time pretending they do.

Posted by: Christi at June 07, 2016 06:46 PM (IvmKU)

358 Fuck the dumb, eleven million people decided Trump will be the Republican nominee. Now it's his job to sway the other 120 million who will vote in November.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 06:46 PM (ktzHq)

359
It's Ryan and Ms. Lindsey and Kirk who are keeping this story alive for another couple of news cycles. With friends like these....

Exfuckingzactly.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:47 PM (XgPhs)

360 >>>Lose the Supreme Court for at least a generation.

And we *might* not lose it. Might, *if* Trump wins, *if* he decides to chew up political capital to put in good justices, *if* he doesn't decide to use SCOTUS appointments as bargaining chips for his public policy agenda. *If* he doesn't use them as some other sort of payoff. If if if.

Trump's not an idiot. Don't depend on him to do something not in his best interests merely because he promised it to you.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 07, 2016 06:47 PM (0q2P7)

361 "I still don't get the assumption that opposition to
Trump equates to protecting reputations/class privilege. Can I not
object to an ignorant sociopath on the grounds that he is an ignorant
sociopath who should not be placed in a position with power over other
human beings?
Posted by: raul johnson at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (MiBr0)"

I think this argument refers to complaints about the Mexican judge specifically.

Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:47 PM (4ueYo)

362 "I'm pretty sure most of us at AoS who are still not pro-Trump don't have very many status or class concerns. I mean, I'm not all that worried that 'broseidon king of the brocean,' who I hate to admit isn't even a real person, might stop getting invited to the right cocktail parties. "

Also yup

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 06:48 PM (U7v0V)

363 You know ... we're not exactly trodding over new ground ...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 06:48 PM (fiGNd)

364 "I still don't get the assumption that opposition to
Trump equates to protecting reputations/class privilege."

Its because they want to sell you on the idea that its only rich upper middle class people who oppose Trump, and that's its only done because they live near liberals.

Its lazy because Trump actually gets some upper middle class voters.

Maybe its a shorthand for NR writers living in NYC or DC types.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:48 PM (UBBWX)

365 They really are stupid people.

And some of them are planning to make a bad deal too.

Posted by: DaveA at June 07, 2016 06:48 PM (DL2i+)

366 342 This scenario would not surprise me...

But flyover country won't turn out for a Trump replacement... as this would prove beyond a shadow of any doubt, that Washington does not care what they think.

The is the TEA party thing all over again.... Flyover country speaks... the Party then actively works AGAINST what they want....

The TEA party folks have morphed now into an even angrier Trump movement...

If that movement, after playing by the rules set up... gets their will ignored by the Elite essentially cheating? (as it will be seen in flyover country)....

Those folks will turn to an even ANGRIER movement..... pretty much inevitably.
Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 06:44 PM (qf6WZ)


I saw a commenter at PJM say much the same thing yesterday. It was worded differently, so I don't think it was you, but other than that it was almost identical.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 06:48 PM (sdi6R)

367
Incidentally, did Carly Farina fall off the face of the Earth?

At least she's not chiming in, though.
Trump should pick her for the ticket.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:49 PM (XgPhs)

368 329 For 9-10 months all we heard from the expert pundits was TRUMP CANNOT AND WILL NOT WIN THE PRIMARY!! So Trump won the primary. And did these assholes then say, well maybe we misjudged the electorate. Did they say maybe 2016 is a special year where things can't be predicted. No. They went right onto TRUMP CANNOT AND WILL NOT WIN THE GENERAL!!
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 07, 2016 06:42 PM (0LHZx)

This is a very valid point. However, one thing that has seemed apparent for me is that, aside from Fox (Megyn Kelly, et al) it seems like the media has decidedly handled Trump with kid gloves.

This thing with the judge is just an example of what I expected them to be doing all along. Locking down the narrative and making it all about Trump and what he says. In the past, Trump was always able to get past the media filter and still reach people (damned if I know how.)

I think a lot of people who were always either shaky or agnostic about Trump are just getting hit with it as the media settles down to do their business.

Time will tell.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:49 PM (3ZoRf)

369 It's Ryan and Ms. Lindsey and Kirk who are keeping this story alive for another couple of news cycles. With friends like these....

Exfuckingzactly.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:47 PM (XgPhs)
-------------------

Well, and Trump, thanks to his absurd conference call to his closest supporters demanding they not let the issue drop. A call which one of his closest "best-people" supporters leaked to the press. That also keeps it in the press.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:49 PM (mFkVC)

370
Any kind of amnesty spells the death of whatever viable electoral coalition the GOP currently has.

There is no mainstream GOP candidate who isn't committed to some kind of amnesty, that I know of.

What's the point of winning now, only to destroy any chance of winning ever again in the future?

Posted by: LawLurker at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (zKwtX)

371 Ace of Spades hasnt accepted the fact that Conservatism Inc is dead.

It died of it's own failure. Democrat Lite sells like turd flavored ice cream. The GOP is now openly embracing Minority Identity Politics. It's only reason to exist is to serve it's Corporate masters on Wall Street.

The faster the GOP is destroyed the faster we can get on with the business of actually addressing the issues effectively, via any means necessary.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (He2Fk)

372 God, I hope Ace is right. The future is more than one election cycle. Trump being the face of the GOP would damage conservatism for a generation or more.

Besides the question isn't "Can GOP candidate X beat Hillary?" The question is "Can this candidate beat whoever the Dems replace Hillary with after she's indicted? "

The GOP isn't the only party with candidate problems after all.

Posted by: Dukeboy01 at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (Z2eRC)

373 "I think this argument refers to complaints about the Mexican judge specifically."

Trump brought that up. He mentioned it in speeches. He had a conference call about it.

His personal lawsuit is very important to him. More important than the jobs numbers or San Jose violence.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (UBBWX)

374 I hear that John Boehner is free.

Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (4ueYo)

375 the comments are blistering, that he's lyin' ted, a lib traitor, etc. that's the kind of poison from trump's smears i detest.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (WTSFk)


between the NRO, Brietbart and even The Right Scoop, I don't even want to go there these days. The people are all unhinged.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (qCMvj)

376 >>At least she's not chiming in, though.
Trump should pick her for the ticket.

She chimed in quite a bit when she accepted Cruz's invitation to be his VP nominee. Trump's not picking her.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (/tuJf)

377 Trump's not an idiot. Don't depend on him to do something not in his best interests merely because he promised it to you.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 07, 2016 06:47 PM (0q2P7)

That is not the argument I am making. I am saying that by getting Hillary in, you are "guaranteeing" a loss there. Some hope is better than no hope.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:51 PM (3ZoRf)

378 Would anyone with a promising political career chain attach himself/herself to the Trump raging clown show?

Chique ... have you not had enough yet of all these people with "Promising Political Careers" ?

I have.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (fiGNd)

As a rule, I don't care about policians (with a few exceptions). They're generally maaaaybe a step above actors and on par with the media in my view (at least recently).

I was just dispassionately stating that it wouldn't be in their best interests to run with Trump, a disaster area, as VP.

My first opportunity to vote in a general election as a new citizen and we're saddled with Hillary and her donor.

Sigh.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:51 PM (Mt8T4)

379 Meh, this will all blow over, trump wins in a landslide.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 07, 2016 06:51 PM (WVvzl)

380
That's the beauty part: nobody remembers anything Carly said, not even Trump.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:51 PM (XgPhs)

381 "There is no mainstream GOP candidate who isn't committed to some kind of amnesty, that I know of."

Hell, Trump is also for touchback amnesty.

p.s. Ted Cruz.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:51 PM (UBBWX)

382
Press this Button if Sen Kirk sez mean things about Trump

|[ PANIC]|


To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!

Posted by: Khan Noonien Singh at June 07, 2016 06:51 PM (IqV8l)

383 This scenario would not surprise me...

But flyover country won't turn out for a Trump replacement... as this would prove beyond a shadow of any doubt, that Washington does not care what they think.

The is the TEA party thing all over again.... Flyover country speaks... the Party then actively works AGAINST what they want....

The TEA party folks have morphed now into an even angrier Trump movement...

If that movement, after playing by the rules set up... gets their will ignored by the Elite essentially cheating? (as it will be seen in flyover country)....

Those folks will turn to an even ANGRIER movement..... pretty much inevitably.
Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 06:44 PM (qf6WZ)

I saw a commenter at PJM say much the same thing yesterday. It was worded differently, so I don't think it was you, but other than that it was almost identical.
Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 06:48 PM (sdi6R)


who boy, you got that right

the anger is growing

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:52 PM (qCMvj)

384 >>> Because, as I said, the GOP would stop paying it lip service and occasionally throwing it a bone. The party would become a European-style big government, identity politics nationalist thing. Guys like Lee and Cruz would be even more marginalized. The only electoral vehicle for Constitutionalists would be dead.

At the same time, the major "conservative" media outlets, FOX and Rush and the rest of talk radio, would swing into line behind Trump and the new look GOP. And the media voice of Constitutionalism would be gone.
.....

What part of this hasn't been reality for at least the past 8 years?

Fox? The company that has been all Trump, all the time since the get go? You'll say, "but Megyn Kelly!!!" and I will it and laugh and tell you to go back and watch the WWF some more and tell me about their trumped up "rivalries". (Pun intended)

Oh... Fuck Rush. He's long past due to retire and play more golf with his BFF Boehner.

Posted by: Damiano at June 07, 2016 06:52 PM (71OEY)

385 287 "People can genuinely look at Trump and believe that if he wins, small government, individual freedom, Constitutional Conservatism has no electoral vehicle and almost no media presence.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (mFkVC) "

Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of us at AoS who are still not pro-Trump don't have very many status or class concerns. I mean, I'm not all that worried that 'broseidon king of the brocean,' who I hate to admit isn't even a real person, might stop getting invited to the right cocktail parties.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at June 07, 2016 06:36 PM (kumBu)

yes, and what chique said too. FFS, many of us were Cruz supporters, and upper class GOPe thinks he's like an ant shitting in the sugar bowl.

Posted by: stace at June 07, 2016 06:52 PM (ozZau)

386 #LetItBern is no longer an option, is it?

Posted by: FireHorse at June 07, 2016 06:52 PM (fuyqi)

387 >>>between the NRO, Brietbart and even The Right Scoop, I don't even want to go there these days. The people are all unhinged.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (qCMvj)>>>

NRO has been bad for years. Breitbart friggin' lost it a few months ago. Actually has me reading the garbage at Hot Air again, just for something to do.

Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:53 PM (4ueYo)

388 She chimed in quite a bit when she accepted Cruz's invitation to be his VP nominee. Trump's not picking her.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (/tuJf)

I am willing to bet a shiny new dime that Trump's VP choice will not be someone his supporters want. It will somebody his supporters will have to tie themselves into logical pretzels to find palatable.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:53 PM (mFkVC)

389 Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 06:49 PM (XgPhs)


2 people who failed upwards in business as a ticket could be fun

Posted by: The Dude at June 07, 2016 06:53 PM (SyKbw)

390 While it was always to be expected that the media would increase their attacks on Trump dramatically, I wouldn't expect Paul Ryan to be doing their dirty work. I really don't believe there's a way to replace Trump at this stage, I think they're really just that stupid.

Posted by: GrapeDrink at June 07, 2016 06:53 PM (Wt+M2)

391 I hear that John Boehner is free.
Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (4ueYo)


ha, from one orange man to another

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:53 PM (qCMvj)

392
I hear that John Boehner is free.

If not free, then reasonably priced.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (IqV8l)

393 385 Posted by: stace at June 07, 2016 06:52 PM (ozZau)

Quite I am a Cruz guy, I would have been THRILLED had it gone the other way.

I am so fucking tired of this "we win by losing" shit...no kids we win by winning.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (g8Hfr)

394 Trumps new plan?



Give out that nasty "American Beer" made by the Belgium's

Posted by: The Goat fucker, Mohamad at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (jJRIy)

395 because the Upper Middle Class Whites, a very key part of the GOP coalition

The we'll actually KNOW who shit the bed this time.

Posted by: DaveA at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (DL2i+)

396 352 Wait, wait, wait.

Are people here seriously imagining Trump would be against the Import-Export bank?

Once Boeing explains it to Trump, he'll decide its a great idea and should be extended to real estate deals where 10% of the sales will be to foreign nationals.
Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:46 PM (UBBWX)

Uhmmm.. He knows what it is and has spoken against it numerous times as only benefitting Politicians and a Few Select Companies who would do well without it. He feels it hurts free enterprise.

Posted by: Christi at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (IvmKU)

397 People can genuinely look at Trump and believe that if he wins, small government, individual freedom, Constitutional Conservatism has no electoral vehicle and almost no media presence.
Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:29 PM (mFkVC)
..............
Kind of like when the GOPe wins!

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (FQvCd)

398 So, from the comments, my suggestion is:

Let Trump run. If he wants out, let him have an out.

I'd suggest we all let Trump be Trump.

Don't endorse him. Trump can win all on his own.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (UBBWX)

399 Sorry Mohamad, towel heads don't drink

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (jJRIy)

400 >>>yes, and what chique said too. FFS, many of us were Cruz supporters, and upper class GOPe thinks he's like an ant shitting in the sugar bowl.
Posted by: stace at June 07, 2016 06:52 PM (ozZau)>>>

The annoying this is that these social status clowns set up the party as the Trump and Ryan wings. Yeah. No thanks. They're both big government stooges.

Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (4ueYo)

401 Any time I definitely commit myself to a candidate, they always lose. Any time I definitely commit myself against a candidate, they always win. I'm infallibly fallible. So bidding is now open on my support (and opposition). Pay me to support the candidate you want to see lose, or pay me to oppose the candidate you want to see win, and once the check clears I'm on it. Offer void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, past performance is no guarantee of future returns, etc. etc.

Posted by: HTL at June 07, 2016 06:54 PM (hhBXE)

402
Oh I think the GOPe is just fine with hillary as prez. So I think they will go along with Trump as the nominee and then try their best to trash him after that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (ODxAs)

403 I'd guess Cotton or Sasser, someone the electorate hasn't rejected.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (sqpGi)

404 387 Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:53 PM (4ueYo)

Well it's a lot easier to read comments at Tepid...

NRO is home to KD "Sindely Whiplash" Williamson

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (g8Hfr)

405 And what did this last poll say? Trump +1

Personally I think polling is trash and at this point even trashier than normal, but the Democrats live by polling. And they see this. Why else this bizarre fixation on calling a judge Mexican? They're trying to push back. And in the process, motivate the lunatic violent mob even more...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (39g3+)

406 NRO has been bad for years. Breitbart friggin' lost it a few months ago. Actually has me reading the garbage at Hot Air again, just for something to do.
Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:53 PM (4ueYo)


my goto is the Washington Free Beacon, and I still like Hotair. Newsbusters.org. Weaselzippers, Instapundit.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (qCMvj)

407 Posted by: Dukeboy01 at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (Z2eRC)

You're making the bad assumption that conservatism isn't already dead. Sooner that people figure that out the better

Posted by: The Dude at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (SyKbw)

408 I hear that John Boehner is free

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A day without orange betrayal is like a day without sunshine.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (Nwg0u)

409 Read this article ( link in nic) and understand how sneaky the GOPe is. Ryan is giving Hillbut sound bites to use against Trump. If they try this crap I will vote for no republican again. And as far as the Supreme Court goes, with our republicans we got Sotomyer and Kahan anyway.

Posted by: Chillin the most at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (BI43k)

410 I am willing to bet a shiny new dime that Trump's VP choice will not be someone his supporters want. It will somebody his supporters will have to tie themselves into logical pretzels to find palatable.
Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:53 PM (mFkVC)

I would not be surprised. But the bastard has surprised me before in good ways, why not this time?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (3ZoRf)

411 "My first opportunity to vote in a general election as a new citizen and we're saddled with Hillary and her donor."

Lovely Chique ... but that's the problem.

What Great Man was supposed to walk in and fix everything ? That sounds like a Benevolent Monarch to me.

American Elections should be some shit that Right Thinking People give no shits about, because Elections are just not that important.

If Donald Trump was that good ... I'd be worried. He's not. That's why I'm voting for him.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (fiGNd)

412
Didn't the RNC already ink fund raising agreements with Trump?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (lKyWE)

413 Christi,

You are correct! Well, a point in Trump's favor then!

I feel better!

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (UBBWX)

414 it's not just polls. It's just asking: Do we have our coalition intact?

We do not. We will not. NRO will come out and endorse either Gary Johnson or even Hillary.

I know you say "Tat's just NRO."

No, but NRO stands in for milions of *like-minded* UMP class-conscious republicans.

It's not just NRO -- it's that type of person.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:21 PM (dciA+)



And of course these are the type of people that have been saying for decades that "But the Democrats are worse!!!! You must vote GOP even if it isn't a candidate you like!!!!!"

I know you say that its a case of neither side wanting to share power Ace, and that might be the case now. But its a result of those in power continually refusing to share power to begin with. They are like the democrats in their idea of compromising with the base means that they get what they want, the base gets nothing, and the base still must vote for them no matter what.

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (z/Ubi)

415 Republicans are in full suicide mode now.

For you bloggers, it's Trump or Hillary. You seem to realize that. The fact that Patterico does not is why I stopped going to his blog.

Posted by: CrustyB at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (Hnglq)

416

I don't mind Daily Caller either. I keep imagining bow ties on the marquee or header tho.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (qCMvj)

417 ISIS jihadists have burned 19 women alive in cages during a public execution after they refused to become sex slaves.
The Yazidi Kurdish women were grouped into cages before being set on fire in a city square in Mosul.

http://goo.gl/LqnDkD

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (iQIUe)

418 OT -- Ace, if you're looking for something completely different to blog about today, this is some serious Oh Fuck technology:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hzdascy

Remember how Photoshop changed the rules so that photos were no longer considered reliable evidence? This FacetoFace tech does the same thing to all video.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (gyKtp)

419 Fuck the GOP in its entirety, including Ellmer-loving Trump.
Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:45 PM (4ueYo)

Oh yeah, I heard about the Renee Ellmers endorsement. Anti-establishment, yo!

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (Mt8T4)

420 1. The idea that Trump will lose because he's behind in early June is ludicrous.

2. Ryan, Bush, McCain, Romney, Rubio, are all the same and will betray us just as they have for decades.

3. The thinking required to talk oneself into to voting for the power structure that controls the group above is a form of Stockholm syndrome.

This country is based on an idea. Liberty enjoined by fair play. If that idea is willingly thrown away over political expediency our foundation is gone.

Posted by: Meremortal at June 07, 2016 06:57 PM (3myMJ)

421 Well it's a lot easier to read comments at Tepid...

-
A lot easier to keep up, that's for damn sure.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 06:57 PM (Nwg0u)

422 Didn't the RNC already ink fund raising agreements with Trump?
**

Yeah, they're in the file cabinet next to the folder marked "Contract with America"

Posted by: Azathoth at June 07, 2016 06:57 PM (XN0hD)

423 414 Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (z/Ubi)

Yup

Fuck NRO in particular...

I'd like at LEAST one of the two major US Parties to be you know Pro-American.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:57 PM (g8Hfr)

424 Dude, I'm not even voting in today's jungle primary. First vote I'm
missing in decades. Fuck the GOP in its entirety, including
Ellmer-loving Trump.
---
go vote for Bernie and stick it to Shrillery!

that's what i did.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 06:58 PM (iRosR)

425 374 I hear that John Boehner is free.
Posted by: gm at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (4ueYo



His replacement gets elected today.

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 06:58 PM (z/Ubi)

426 @366 DaveA

That was me.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 06:58 PM (He2Fk)

427 >>>I would actually find his frankness (not the gratuitous insults, though) refreshing, if it weren't so full of lies.

I would vote for Cotton, though.

...

I would understand this complaint if Trump were facing someone ethical. Then I'd understand you saying, "I won't vote for this liar. The other canidate, while liberal and flawed, is at least honest and ethical."

Instead, the other candidate you're talking about is Hillary Clinton.

Can you explain to me how you find her *not* "full of lies"?

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 06:59 PM (dciA+)

428
Oh dear! Trump has lost the Utne Reader vote?

We are forsaken!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 06:59 PM (kdS6q)

429 Read this article ( link in nic) and understand how sneaky the GOPe is. Ryan is giving Hillbut sound bites to use against Trump. If they try this crap I will vote for no republican again. And as far as the Supreme Court goes, with our republicans we got Sotomyer and Kahan anyway.
Posted by: Chillin the most at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (BI43k)


are they afraid they will be tagged The Party That Blocked the First Woman POTUS?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:59 PM (qCMvj)

430 Oh yeah, I heard about the Renee Ellmers endorsement. Anti-establishment, yo!
Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 06:56 PM (Mt8T4)
--------------

Ellmers was nice to Trump, so Trump will be nice to her. All things are judged on whether or not they are nice to Trump.

He will be just awesome in negotiations with Putin.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:59 PM (mFkVC)

431 ISIS jihadists have burned 19 women alive in cages during a public execution after they refused to become sex slaves.
The Yazidi Kurdish women were grouped into cages before being set on fire in a city square in Mosul.

-
I like that music on the L.A. Noire soundtrack, Torch Song.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 06:59 PM (Nwg0u)

432 my goto is the Washington Free Beacon, and I still like Hotair. Newsbusters.org. Weaselzippers, Instapundit.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (qCMvj)

That's my list. And, of course, the HQ and the Daily Caller.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 06:59 PM (jJRIy)

433 "breirbart has an article on ted cruz and others
sponsoring a bill extending statute of limitations on restitution of
nazi stolen art. decent enough, on moral grounds, and consistent.


the comments are blistering, that he's lyin' ted, a lib traitor, etc. that's the kind of poison from trump's smears i detest.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (WTSFk)"

The alt-right Trumpkins who have infested Trumpbart think the Nazis were right to steal the art from the undeserving untermenschen in the first place. And the orange baboon deliberately panders to these "people".

Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (ztrrs)

434 My best friend moved in September 2014, he started w/Hillary is going to be next president. I told him I would kick him out if he kept that up for the next 2 years.

Then he was on Trump train, but finally realized trump can't beat Hillary.

He's still forbidden from saying Clinton is next president

It doesn't matter who I vote for in Massachusetts. I decided I wasn't going to vote in any presidential election if I had to hold my nose to vote.

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (sj3Ax)

435 I'd like at LEAST one of the two major US Parties to be you know Pro-American.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 06:57 PM (g8Hfr)
-------------------

Well, Trump doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism. He said as much on video. So...

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (mFkVC)

436 my ear is in great ;pain if i curse at you in the next hour it's not my fault

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)

437 IIRC, polling has shown that Republicans have pretty much united behind Trump.

His Mexican problem will blow over soon.

I don't think the NRO people matter at all.

Trump needs to stop worrying about his personal lawsuit and instead hit Hillary.

If Trump loses, it will not be due to GOP voters but Trump losing independents, women, and minorities. (Losing by more than normal...)

I really think he dropped the ball on the jobs numbers because he is too focused on his personal issues.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 07:01 PM (UBBWX)

438
I can't believe my fucking luck.

Posted by: Hillary the Corrupt at June 07, 2016 07:01 PM (ODxAs)

439 430 Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:59 PM (mFkVC)

We have Giggle, Grammy H, and Mr. Ed Kerry's "stern talks" with Iran as a counterpoint....

need I go on?

Not whipping off his pants and lubing up his asshole is an improvement over those three asshats no matter how bad he gets rolled.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:01 PM (g8Hfr)

440 Globalists vs Nationalists

That's the new paradigm.

Left vs Right is dead. The Trotskyist Corporato-Neocons vs the Neo-Marxist Internationalists is what has been on offer for some time now.

Globalists vs European Christendom

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 07:01 PM (He2Fk)

441 Trump's a looser against Hillzebub, correct?
The class conscious Egope is fine with Hillzebub correct?
Why all the fuss about replacing him?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Fired from driving the Scooby Van at June 07, 2016 07:02 PM (WVsWD)

442 436 my ear is in great ;pain if i curse at you in the next hour it's not my fault
Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)



Ace, go to a doctor and get it looked at. You'll probably need some prescribed ear drops and antibiotics.

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 07:02 PM (z/Ubi)

443
go vote for Bernie and stick it to Shrillery! that's what i did.
Posted by: redc1c4




Since I had cleansed myself and gone GDI, I planned to do just that. But when it looked like Trump might not get enough pledged delegates for a first ballot, I re-registered GOP online.

Mind you, I ended up getting two absentee ballots, so......

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 07:02 PM (kdS6q)

444 Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (fiGNd)

I started out liking Trump, thinking he was refreshing, then not so much, then what the hell is wrong with thar man, then OMG you have to be kidding me. All the while planning to vote for him in the general if he won the primaries. Then came the straw that broke the camel's back and I was out.

But really, given the state of the populace right now, the country deserves the two frontrunners. I just won't be partaking.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 07:02 PM (Mt8T4)

445 >>>433 "breirbart has an article on ted cruz and others
sponsoring a bill extending statute of limitations on restitution of
nazi stolen art. decent enough, on moral grounds, and consistent.


the comments are blistering, that he's lyin' ted, a lib traitor, etc. that's the kind of poison from trump's smears i detest.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 07, 2016 06:43 PM (WTSFk)"

The alt-right Trumpkins who have infested Trumpbart think the Nazis were right to steal the art from the undeserving untermenschen in the first place. And the orange baboon deliberately panders to these "people".
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (ztrrs)

...

i cannot imagine a more frivolous factor in making a determination whether the US lives or dies than "I don't like this guy's twitter supporters."

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:02 PM (dciA+)

446 I saw video that trump doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism I think it's at Right Scoop from 2015, but posted today.

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:02 PM (sj3Ax)

447 >> my ear is in great ;pain if i curse at you in the next hour it's not my fault


You might have some cheat grass or a foxtail in there.

Have you been rolling around in the weeds a lot, lately?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (I8Bd1)

448 435 Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (mFkVC)

Your pal Grammy H aided Bronk "How wet do you want it Ayatollah?" Obama in his supplicant butt thrusts east.

This is a low bar to hurdle over.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (g8Hfr)

449 Read this article ( link in nic) and understand how sneaky the GOPe is. Ryan is giving Hillbut sound bites to use against Trump. If they try this crap I will vote for no republican again. And as far as the Supreme Court goes, with our republicans we got Sotomyer and Kahan anyway.
Posted by: Chillin the most at June 07, 2016 06:55 PM (BI43k)


I just read this.
Thanks for the link.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (qCMvj)

450 Globalists vs Nationalists

Folks ... that's it.

And Progressives will not like American Fascism. Not one bit. I guarantee it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (fiGNd)

451 "looser" shold be loser.

D'oh!

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Doh!! at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (WVsWD)

452 instapundit, legal insurrection and powerline.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (WTSFk)

453 This is shaping up to be the most interesting election since 1860. At least things calmed down after that election.
/

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (7qAYi)

454 This is all navel gazing hysteria. Just like the right wing commentariat decided Michelle Fields was the story of the decade the weekend of the Chicago riots, when leftist agitators shut down a Republican political event with the threat of violence, now they've hitched their wagons to the "Trump said "Mexican" OMFG" meme the week after riots in San Jose featuring the illegally imported footsoldiers of the authoritarian left gave the country a look at what amnesty will do to our nation.

It is beyond pathetic. Conservatives are hopeless. They can't imagine winning against the left. They've given up.

Posted by: Coast of Gary at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (wOKJp)

455 440 As if I needed any more confirmation that ace, despite all his so called conservarive talk, is just a front boy for his globalist buddies.
@gollum as a ptotected friend anyone?
Their one world govt run by the elites must be protected.
And ace is all for it.
The anyone but Hillary talk is bullshit.
And most of ya buy into it. Open your freaking eyes and see this New York lib for what he is.
No, not Trump, ace.
Posted by: teej at June 07, 2016 07:01 PM (uYq+M)



I liked you better when all you did was bitch and moan that an embedded youtube video made the print too small for you to read.

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (z/Ubi)

456 447 Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:02 PM (sj3Ax)

The GOP's mad dash for amnesty tells me they don't believe in it either.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (g8Hfr)

457 430
He will be just awesome in negotiations with Putin.
Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 06:59 PM (mFkVC)


Why would you be worried about Trump negotiating with Putin or any other foreign leader? Negotiating is what he does. It's right in his wheelhouse.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (sdi6R)

458 >>>
Ace, go to a doctor and get it looked at. You'll probably need some prescribed ear drops and antibiotics.

i did, I have drops. They work meh. just enough for me not to sue him.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (dciA+)

459 Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)

Maybe you should go back to the doctor and curse at him. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (rmw+9)

460 "The big worry with a candidate like Trump is that he is so off the grid that if he implodes he could take down not just the presidency but the House and the Senate as well. That is what scares the shit out of the Republican Party."

If the do derail him they are gone as well, guaranteed. So how will that be preferable to incumbents who want to remain incumbents?

Posted by: Decaf at June 07, 2016 07:04 PM (dRz86)

461 Torched Song.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L-7l6GNEhCA

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 07:04 PM (Nwg0u)

462 436
my ear is in great ;pain if i curse at you in the next hour it's not my fault

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)


Ace, hot, wet washcloth. Lie down on the not-hurting ear, place hot washcloth over hurting ear. Keep washcloth hot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 07:04 PM (1ZOkK)

463 Could be a spider, too.

Crawled in there while you were sleeping and laid its eggs in there.

Any hidden messages in the webs around your bedroom?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:04 PM (I8Bd1)

464
Hilarious!

We have Hillary Clinton, obama, the media, Paul Ryan, Mark Kirk, Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell all on the same side on this non-issue.

And these are the people we look to to choose a better nominee?

They're bedfellows with the enemy for pete's sake!

I summarily dismiss any grievance issued by any of these Shits.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:04 PM (XgPhs)

465 I'd take the bet that Hillary loses to Bernie in CA.

This would fit with Hillary orchestrating with AP/NBC a premature announcement last night that she's the presumptive nominee.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:04 PM (r1fLd)

466 Some I know just had her eardrums burst from so much pressure. Go to another doctor.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (rmw+9)

467 *SMACK*

Posted by: Historic Fist at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (/f6Nd)

468 They bought their tickets, they knew what they were doing. I say: let 'em crash.

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (grN2q)

469 Your pal Grammy H aided Bronk "How wet do you want it Ayatollah?" Obama in his supplicant butt thrusts east.

This is a low bar to hurdle over.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:03 PM (g8Hfr)
-------------------

Grammy H is no pal of mine, thanks.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (mFkVC)

470 teej, enjoy posting somewhere else with your florid conspiratorial lunacies.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (dciA+)

471 I'm black and white on Trump being the nominee. There is no wiggle room . He won. He's the nominee.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (MNgU2)

472 The faster the GOP is destroyed the faster we can get on with the business of actually addressing the issues effectively, via any means necessary.
Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 06:50 PM (He2Fk)

Yup.....hypocrites and frauds. Their know if Trump actually wins they will hold the White House and Congress but they lack the balls to do what needs to be done. Secure the border, reduce federal spending, fire lots and lots of federal employees and jail Hillary to name a few.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (ej1L0)

473 Pray away Ace, but these fuckers do in fact want Hillary. Your buddies at NRO could have kept their pie holes shut, but they got plenty of help shouting their message.

Posted by: Awnree at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (h8ae5)

474 >>>Ace, hot, wet washcloth. Lie down on the not-hurting ear, place hot washcloth over hurting ear. Keep washcloth hot.

no i need to dry it out. what i need is a damn hair dryer but i don't have one because i'm not a girl

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:06 PM (dciA+)

475 Well, Trump doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism. He said as much on video. So...
Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (mFkVC)
..............
I saw your video...that left a lot to be desired. Do you always drink hot cocoa with such a smug look?

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at June 07, 2016 07:06 PM (FQvCd)

476 reduce federal spending, fire lots and lots of federal employees
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (ej1L0)

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Trump doesn't even pretend to want to do these things.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 07:06 PM (mFkVC)

477 I really think he dropped the ball on the jobs numbers because he is too focused on his personal issues.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 07:01 PM (UBBWX)

He's a narcissist and can't help but lash out at all perceived slights.

Hillary seriously dinged him in her foreign policy speech. He could have lobbed some tactical Benghazi/ISIS/world on fire missiles at her, but no, he just had to obsess over that judge.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 07:06 PM (Mt8T4)

478 i cannot imagine a more frivolous factor in making a determination whether the US lives or dies than "I don't like this guy's twitter supporters."

Posted by: ace



I also think there's all sorts of Soros-funded web efforts to give people this impression. That's not even really a question, I remember reading where Hillary has hired an army of people to just go and respond to web stories.

Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (qed1T)

479 "I saw video that trump doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism I think it's at Right Scoop from 2015, but posted today."

I have a theory on this.

Ace has mentioned that Trump lives in NYC and is reflexively liberal.

i think he saw a clip of this movie:

http://tinyurl.com/pzujs7l

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (UBBWX)

480 Amanda Carpenter just called on the delegates to eject trump at the convention.

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (U7v0V)

481 Sven,
Screw Amnesty! Send them all back is my motto.

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (sj3Ax)

482 >>>>Could be a spider, too.

Crawled in there while you were sleeping and laid its eggs in there.

Any hidden messages in the webs around your bedroom?

...

the doctor did say, and this is true, "It appears masticated inside."

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (dciA+)

483 ISIS jihadists have burned 19 women alive in cages during a public execution after they refused to become sex slaves.

The Yazidi Kurdish women were grouped into cages before being set on fire in a city square in Mosul.


But a gorilla was killed! A GORILLA!!!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (39g3+)

484 Mark Kirk should just go ahead and have his mouth surgically attached to Graham's behind.

Posted by: Shoey at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (vA94g)

485 You could just fill it up with gunpowder and cauterize it, like Rambo.

But, you know - all cute and furry.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (I8Bd1)

486 469 Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (mFkVC)

She must be you detest Orange Toupee Weasel more than a woman so ethical she was Kicked off the Donk Watergate Committee.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (g8Hfr)

487 my ear is in great ;pain if i curse at you in the next hour it's not my fault
Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)


heat?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (qCMvj)

488 i'm not a girl
Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:06 PM (dciA+)

But I'm sure that you know some. :^)

Or you could go and buy one at the pharmacy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (rmw+9)

489 But really, given the state of the populace right now, the country deserves the two frontrunners. I just won't be partaking.

Chique ... I like you. Quite a bit, in all honesty. Enough to give you this old quote, sloppily translated, but a good all the same ...

Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you - Pericles

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (fiGNd)

490 >>> Some hope is better than no hope.

There are risks and costs of supporting Trump that encompass a number of political areas. We could rehash the whole thing, but SCOTUS is simply not the only concern, it's a big concern, but Trump's advantage in SCOTUS is marginal and it's not the only concern.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (0q2P7)

491 the doctor did say, and this is true, "It appears masticated inside."

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (dciA+)



You're from Nantucket?

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (z/Ubi)

492 I'm black and white on Trump being the nominee. There is no wiggle room . He won. He's the nominee.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (MNgU2)

I agree. The party chose him. Too late now.

Enjoy.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (Mt8T4)

493 LOL this shit is just so fucking sad.

We got Trump and just when you think the Libertarians had a shot at being a major player they get some fat slob to strip on C-SPAN. Then all I ever hear them talk about is pot, open borders and frankly other weird shit.

Then to cherry on top the motherfucker, you get Gary "Dude where's my car?" Johnson to say he agrees with Obamas amensty?

Just what in the sweet fuck happened to the Constitution, rule of law and liberty?

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (R5HRU)

494 Anyone else finding it hard to keep track of the ideological cliques we have going on here?

As far as I can keep track:
1) Trump Supremes. Trump is errily godlike and will lead them to victory.

2) The "I like Trumps" who like the guys ability to cut through the stuff, but wonder what the heck he is doing sometimes.

3) The Trumpnostics. These are the guys who are also "Fuck it, I guess Trump." These are also "Hell. no. Hillary."

4) The guys in the middle who are probably laughing at all of us idiots and wondering why we are getting so worked up.

5) The "I guess I will vote libertarian." These are actually closer to the Trumpnostics, they just fall further from being at that point yet.

6) Never Trumps. No matter what he says or does, he is scum and would sully them by associating himself in any way with their ideals. They will write in Mickey Mouse before Trump or Hillary!

7) Class based Never Trumps. These are the K Williamson guys. They either would prefer Hillary to Trump or are just posturing to let everyone know how badly they dislike Trump.

Liberal Trolls. Who always seem to swoop in with nicks to get us to line up in our circular firing squad.

Did I miss anyone? I am a Trumpnostic on my scale, sometimes trending between an "I like Trump" and "I guess I will write-in zombie Reagan."


Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (3ZoRf)

495 >>>Amanda Carpenter just called on the delegates to eject trump at the convention.

it does feel as if the Upper Middle Class, Credentialed Class, Capital Class, and Chamber of Commerce are all ginning themselves up to re-assert their Authoritah.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (dciA+)

496 My hair stylist went to a local plastic surgeon for surgery on veins in his legs. Three nights later, he wakes up and is paralyzed from his neck down. Can barely breathe.

He just spent four weeks in the hospital recovering from surgery on his spine for staph infection, and is now in a wheel chair trying to learn to walk again.

Sometimes, a lawyer is quite useful. My friend can't work because he can't stand. I asked him if he'd considered a lawsuit, and he said he will, as soon as he regains some use of his legs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (1ZOkK)

497 So after Mexicans wave their flag and throw eggs at point blank at women attending a Trump rally, and then Trump says something the PC police declare unacceptable, and then Paul Ryan, Inc., steals Trumps nomination because Paul Ryan, Inc. bows to political correctness to the Mexican people, that's not going to cause more problems than it solves? Does Paul Ryan, Inc. want to escalate the hard feelings around here?

Posted by: Kyle at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (SjcEJ)

498 I mean buy a hairdryer, not buy a girl. ;^) Buying a girl right now might briefly help you forget your earache but not for long.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (rmw+9)

499 481 Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (sj3Ax)

This is either the LAST left/right election in America or the first Globalist/Nationalist one...

I am a right wing nationalist unapologetically, sadly that means I stand with a very flawed Trump versus Grammy H.

My nationalism outweighs even my conservatism.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (g8Hfr)

500 Ace:

Two drops rubbing alcohol + two drops vinegar in each ear

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (U7v0V)

501 >>the doctor did say, and this is true, "It appears masticated inside."


Oh, then it was a cockroach.

Or one of those South American fish that swims up your urethra.

Have you bathed in any of the waterways in the Amazon river drainage, lately?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (I8Bd1)

502 >>>Or you could go and buy one at the pharmacy.


that involves moving

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:10 PM (dciA+)

503
He's a narcissist and can't help but lash out at all perceived slights.


Yeah its his biggest weakness. The GOP could have used that against Obama who is the same way, but they were too afraid of being called racist and basically craven and stupid anyway.

Basically Trump is easily distracted, like the T-Rex with a flare in Jurassic Park. Don't distract him and you get stomped or chomped. But super easy to do so.

I remember reading where Hillary has hired an army of people to just go and respond to web stories.

It worked pretty well for Obama.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 07:10 PM (39g3+)

504 Well as long as we're talking about all female remakes, I'd like to see Salma Hayek, Christina Hendricks, and that chick from Total Recall in the Magnificent Seven.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 07:10 PM (BRgcl)

505 I ordered curtains at JC Penney an hour ago & they are already on the way.
It's 25% off through today.

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:10 PM (sj3Ax)

506 468 They bought their tickets, they knew what they were doing. I say: let 'em crash.
Posted by: Leo Spaceman at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (grN2q)

Airplane or Airplane 2 ref? I can never remember which one had the crossfire send-up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:10 PM (3ZoRf)

507 "except for the incredible intellectual effort he had put into the cause for decades

except for for being brilliant and well read and a writer of astonishing lucidity

except for all that -- Trump's just like reagan."

-----

Ace, none of that mattered at the time, I remember it well. Reagan was called a buffoon and there was wailing and gnashing of teeth and that was far less coarse time. We have reached a time of particularly coarse public discourse so Trump is a man of the time. You may not like it, the elites certainly don't like it the rest of the people just shrug.

In fact Trump has to get worse to improve his poll numbers. We are long past the age of reason and chivalry.

Posted by: Decaf at June 07, 2016 07:10 PM (dRz86)

508 "We KNEW that any candidate that we put up would be accused of racism and so on and so forth."

Yes, of course. However, I had hoped for a candidate who would not be making a seemingly endless stream of unforced errors on race-related topics.

Especially not race-related topics pertaining to a lawsuit that's essentially discretionary on Trump's part. He could have simply arranged a settlement a while ago, wherein it was stated to be agreed by all parties that there was no admission of fault on his part. It would have cost him some money to make the problem go away. Guess what? He has money.

And if it had been settled, the ethnicity, citizenship, radical affiliations, and questionable decisions of the judge on the case would all be moot.

He made a dumb decision to go with the "Trump University" stuff originally, then doubled down on dumb by failing to live up to his public and promotional representations about TU, and then doubled down yet again by not getting this damn thing out of the way before deciding he wanted to be the President of the United States.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 07:10 PM (noWW6)

509 >>>Ace:

Two drops rubbing alcohol + two drops vinegar in each ear

...

to dry it out? maybe. i've got to give these stupid steroid drops a chance to do something

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (dciA+)

510 the doctor did say, and this is true, "It appears masticated inside."





Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (dciA+)


It's a fucking spider. Sneaky bastards.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (1ZOkK)

511
Trump has no choice now but to lash out at all these backstabbing panicking sams.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (XgPhs)

512 Can I not object to an ignorant sociopath on the grounds that he is an ignorant sociopath who should not be placed in a position with power over other human beings?
Posted by: raul johnson at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (MiBr0)

So you want an even worse sociopath placed in a position of power over other human beings then? That's your choice, bub.

I will vote for the lesser demon to keep Satan out of office.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (P8951)

513 i'm not a girl
Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:06 PM (dciA+)


Not yet a woman.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (I8Bd1)

514 484 Mark Kirk should just go ahead and have his mouth surgically attached to Graham's behind.
Posted by: Shoey at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (vA94g)



That might make Dick Durbin jealous.

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (z/Ubi)

515 36 my ear is in great ;pain if i curse at you in the next hour it's not my fault
Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)

Oh jeez Ace. Go to the doctor because it sounds it bit more serious than just a case of a mild earache.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (CFc5L)

516 We got Trump and just when you think the Libertarians had a shot at being a major player they get some fat slob to strip on C-SPAN. Then all I ever hear them talk about is pot, open borders and frankly other weird shit.

Then to cherry on top the motherfucker, you get Gary "Dude where's my car?" Johnson to say he agrees with Obamas amensty?

Just what in the sweet fuck happened to the Constitution, rule of law and liberty?
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (R5HRU)
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Yeah, lost in all this is how embarrassingly bad the Libertarians are. This was their moment to shine, and instead they took off all their clothes and danced around in front of the nation. Both literally and figuratively.

Posted by: person at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (mFkVC)

517 "Then to cherry on top the motherfucker, you get Gary "Dude where's my car?" Johnson to say he agrees with Obamas amensty?"

This is actually good news for Trump:

The Libertarians are trying to woo Bernie Bros and Democrats.

They may take more from Hillary than Trump.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 07:12 PM (UBBWX)

518 I looked at Brieitbart's Livewire for news about the CA primary, and saw that Hugh Hewitt has had a leading role today in promoting the lede of this thread which he calls #Mutiny.
"Hugh HewittVerified account @hughhewitt
The #Mutiny option would require @SpeakerRyan
@SenateMajLdr @GOP Governors 2 gather + urge
#GOPRulesCommittee 2 make 1st 2 ballots advisory"

With Hugh Hewitt involved, now I know it's total bullshit.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:12 PM (r1fLd)

519
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (3ZoRf)

Trumpslaining for dummies!

I like it!

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:12 PM (R5HRU)

520 512 Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (P8951)

Asmodeus 2016 b/c fuck beezlebub

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:12 PM (g8Hfr)

521 i think it weird how Hotair keeps linking Trump hit pieces written by Jaime Weinstein without noting who he is.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 07:12 PM (iQIUe)

522 >>>Can I not object to an ignorant sociopath on the grounds that he is an ignorant sociopath who should not be placed in a position with power over other human beings?
Posted by: raul johnson at June 07, 2016 06:18 PM (MiBr0)

So you want an even worse sociopath placed in a position of power over other human beings then? That's your choice, bub.

I will vote for the lesser demon to keep Satan out of office.

...

yeah I don't get this, man. Are you, like many of your online confreres, now convincing yourself that maybe Hillary Clinton is just a nice lady who means well?

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:12 PM (dciA+)

523 Keep Trump and he wins, the GOPe can fold like origami before the President on an issue (they have plenty of practice), namely amnesty, probably get most of the other things they want, and let Trump be a buffoon for four years and then nominate whoever they want - I don't think Trump is a two-termer.

Keep Trump and he loses, the finger pointing will be astounding. The GOPe will view it as vindication of their views, Trump's supporters will view their behavior during the election as rank betrayal, and the party blows itself apart. It's already basically blowing apart at the seams, but this will guarantee it.

But if they dump Trump...

If the party elite dump the nominee by fiat, not only do they obliterate the party more or less immediately, but the radicalization of the ones they drive away is going to be really, really bad. If the GOPe's heartfelt, burning desire is to create a whole alt-right PARTY, a US version of the Front National or something, which will then do battle with the socialists in the burning wreckage of America, then, by all means, dump Trump, you complete and utter idiots.

Posted by: Locarno at June 07, 2016 07:12 PM (HhYvn)

524
just when you think the Libertarians had a shot at being a major player....
Posted by: thathalfrican



Not as long as we still have drug testing in the workplace.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 07:12 PM (kdS6q)

525 504 Well as long as we're talking about all female remakes, I'd like to see Salma Hayek, Christina Hendricks, and that chick from Total Recall in the Magnificent Seven.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 07:10 PM (BRgcl)

Nice, although I would only notice the lovely Ms. Hendricks. That is a natural wonder.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (3ZoRf)

526 I mean buy a hairdryer, not buy a girl.

Nah, they won't let you do that any more. You can only rent one for a while.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (39g3+)

527 TRUMP 2016
because ANTI-TRUMP=ANTI-AMERICA=PRO-HILLARY=PRO-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

Everything else is just NOISE!!

Posted by: Myshiba at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (4qOWG)

528 I saw Jalapeno Poultice open for The Libertarian Strippers at the Paradise in 2005

Posted by: Coast of Gary at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (wOKJp)

529 Didn't see you've been to the doctor. Hope whatever he gave you works pronto.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (CFc5L)

530 @508

WELL SAID!

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (UBBWX)

531 Fuck me, you are a bore Ace.

No, ace is funny and witty, I'm the bore you're thinking of.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (39g3+)

532 isn't it grand?

the Will of the People is .... the Hill to Die On.

srsly. kill the GOPe.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (Cq0oW)

533 I once had alcohol drops in my ear. By the excruciating pain, I discovered I had a perforated ear drum.

Posted by: wooga at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (0+LRx)

534 Someone is aching for a banning.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (1ZOkK)

535 I stopped reading or watching just about anything about the election. The only one I listen to is Levin.

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (sj3Ax)

536 Yeah, lost in all this is how embarrassingly bad the Libertarians are. This was their moment to shine, and instead they took off all their clothes and danced around in front of the nation. Both literally and figuratively.
Posted by: person





Don't worry, I never took that party seriously anyway. Neither did America.

If somehow a Libertarian were elected, I honestly think the country would turn into Venezuela quicker than if Bernie were elected.

Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (qed1T)

537 Ace, have you seen a doctor?

Has anyone looked inside your ear?

Is the ear drum swollen? Or is the outer ear canal infected?

Have you asked your local pharmacist if he can give you something to help?

If your ear drum ruptures, you will feel better. Allows the pus to drain out.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (iQIUe)

538 Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you - Pericles
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (fiGNd)

Oh, I know. I think that Trump would be awful for several reasons that are meaningful to me. So would Hillary, albeit for some different reasons.

I find voting for either loathsome (Hillary more so). There's no law requiring me to vote for one of them.

All Trump had to do was behave like a decent human being, but apparently that was asking too much. I gave him so many chances.

Anyway, my trust is in God, not the political system. I did what I could. It's in His hands now, as it has always been.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (Mt8T4)

539 "to dry it out? "

Well the alcohol dries it out and the vinegar supposedly helps fight infection

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (U7v0V)

540 Ace,

They're not going to steal the Nomination. Their internal polling will tell them that a large portion of Trump supporters will vote straight Democratic ticket in revenge, likely costing both chambers of Congress.

I bet their internal polling is already telling them that a majority, possibly a super majority, of Republicans agrees with Trump on Judge Curiel.

It's also leaves a permanent, "stabbed in the back" coalition that Trump himself could easily pick up again in 2020, or that he could hand off to someone.

What this probably is, is an intervention, but the tell is that neither Ryan nor McConnell have withdrawn their endorsement.

I think Trump can win, that poll you wrote about is only one, another poll had him leading in FL today, but there's a side of me that almost hopes they'll pull this.

The loss off both houses of Congress, 45% of the GOP coalition out to destroy it, Trump suing them for $2 billion in "damages," and threatening to run again in 2020--- truly We'd be seeing something many of us didn't think was possible: A major, modern political Party going the way of the WHIGS.

And then let the new Party begin.

#AlwaysTrump #MAGA # WHIGS

Posted by: trickamsterdam at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (tTCZM)

541 I saw Masticated Ear Canal open for The Dead Presidents back in '04.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (gyKtp)

542 O/T

Many of you all know The Charlotte Observer ran an editorial saying girls should get use to seeing boys in the showers, then denied they really meant that. Here is an epic bitch slapping of the assholes.




http://tinyurl.com/hypskfp

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (jJRIy)

543 1. Elite GOP opinion-- the Upper Middle Class and Capital Class that controls the party -- is horribly embarrassed by Trump, and, little secret, they run this thing. You vote in it, but they run it.

And the people who run it can change the rules as they like.

2. Trump appears to be a likely loser. While he briefly pulled even with Hillary a couple of weeks ago -- when he had wrapped up the nomination, but she had not -- he is now slipping behind again. A Reuters poll just put him down by 11 -- 46 to 35, or something like that

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Response to 1. They would find out how small their new party really is. Maybe it is time to just support the economic marxist part of the leftist agenda for a little bit as a object lesson in disloyalty. If their "class" can turn their backs on us, we can turn our backs on them.Life is a bitch like that, right?

Response to 2. "Allahpundit" talk. One poll, from Reuters, is enough to say defeat is coming? I will leave that for the people and circumstances to decide. Not a good sign to foresee defeat in one poll when we all will see much, much worse times before this is over.

So in conclusion - The "Trumpsters" are a good 35% of the country. That is good enough to build a new party, or even a new nation if things come to that. Those that side with a hand picked ringer, like Paul Ryan, don't have that luxury. Their power was built on an army they never gave back to, and now they must either give the army what they want, or accept being lead by leftest. Like I wrote, the "Trumpsters" are not the ones in the hot seat. They are not invested in the current political and economic order to care about their "high minded" class anymore.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (KhJh8)

544
They may take more from Hillary than Trump.

Of course they will. Every time Johnson and Weld opens their mouths to express their centrist positions they end up endorsing Leftist policy.

That's how out of touch these two idiot former Republicans are -- they actually believe in their minds their positions are center-moderate when all that comes out of their stupid whore mouths is praise for the Democrat agenda.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (XgPhs)

545 493
Just what in the sweet fuck happened to the Constitution, rule of law and liberty?
Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (R5HRU)


Yeah, the Libertarian Party has changed quite a bit since I was in. Sure, there was always the legalize drugs crowd, but most of us at least gave lip service to the free market and the Constitution.

Did you know one of the Koch brothers was an LP VP candidate? It was back in the 80s.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (sdi6R)

546 Jane's advice is good ace, that hot washcloth thing goes way back to great grandmas and stuff.

And it's free.

Posted by: Meremortal at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (3myMJ)

547 osted by: Gunga Done at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (pnRrB

He probably doesn't want to F you because

1. He'd have to move in order to do it.

2. Why would he want to f anyone who called him a bore?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (rmw+9)

548 i cannot imagine a more frivolous factor in making a determination whether the US lives or dies than "I don't like this guy's twitter supporters."

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:02 PM (dciA+)


The Alt-Right isn't the cause; they are the symptom.

Whether the U.S. lives or dies won't come to whether you or I like or dislike those schmucks. They are just an indicator.

Posted by: (((Hat))) at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (vBeA5)

549 CT bringing the weapons grade self-deprecation.

Posted by: Coast of Gary at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (wOKJp)

550 Yes, of course. However, I had hoped for a candidate who would not be making a seemingly endless stream of unforced errors on race-related topics.

This is exactly what Ace has been writing about since about 11 this morning (PST). Nothing he's said is racist or damaging about race in a remotely sane world. The only reason its being called racist is because its being insisted upon and craven or undiscerning people are going along with it.

Yep, saying hes Mexican, racist, totally racist, obviously (bobbing head like a toy)

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (39g3+)

551 525 Fuck me, you are a bore Ace.
Posted by: Gunga Done at June 07, 2016 07:13 PM (pnRrB)
.................
That is not going to go over well here Triggly...we know who you are!

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (FQvCd)

552 Anyone else finding it hard to keep track of the ideological cliques we have going on here?


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I'm somewhere between a 2 and a 3.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (Nwg0u)

553 "BEAT HILLARY CLINTON.

That's it. That's the ballgame."

They didn't have anyone on offer, and they don't now, that has any hope of doing that little thing. The judge thing will blow over, especially if Hizzonor's unsavory La Raza connection gets even a little reporting.

No Republican has much hope of polling well with Latinos in any case, never did, never will.

So calm down, and fight the urge to sell us shit sandwiches. You know we're not buying those.

Posted by: Monty James at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (7wrsU)

554 Dumping Trump results in his third-party run. The right splits and its Hillary as president. The winning train has long left the station.

Posted by: Qbastard at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (lk8gW)

555 I think GOPe is too pussy to dump Trump.

Posted by: Sexypig at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (UBBWX)

556 Fuck me, you are a bore Ace.
Posted by: Gunga Done


Oh boy, you sure showed him!

What an hero.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (p2X2f)

557 sometimes I *do* get why the Trumpvolk drive people away

they all have the same method of "discussion:" they just insult you. they think they can pressure you into compliance, using their... nonexistent social cache to sway you.

Um, social pressure can only work if it comes from someone of respect.

these fucking three-toothed one-shoed idiots just blazing in from stormfront to say "I disapprove of you, sir!" don't seem to comprehend that social disapproval doesn't work from reprobates.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (dciA+)

558 mark kirk will be on the "Former Senators" list come Jan 21 2017. Who cares wtf he says about anything?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Doh!! at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (WVsWD)

559 Salma Hayek... in the Magnificent Seven.

Nobody is a bigger Salam Hayek fan than me, but this is a bad idea. I watched "Banditos" with her and Penelope Cruz. Sexy idea on paper, but major boner kill in reality.

Posted by: wooga at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (0+LRx)

560

Time to fire up the grill.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (qCMvj)

561 Levin is right. Hillary s/b indicted.

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (sj3Ax)

562 "There's no one with enough appeal to overcome all of the people who (rightly) would stay home as a middle finger to the GOP for denying the nomination to someone who won it fair and square. If that candidate existed, he would have been able to beat Trump in the primaries."

------

And there it is in a nutshell. There is nobody. The White knight ran off with the black night and now both are harassing Christian bakers and wedding photographers.

Posted by: Decaf at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (dRz86)

563
Of course they will. Every time Johnson and Weld opens their mouths to express their centrist positions they end up endorsing Leftist policy.


I get that sense as well: right now, the way they are campaigning, Johnson and Weld are targeting the Sanders folks, not Trump voters. Its a very odd tactic.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (39g3+)

564 Did you know one of the Koch brothers was an LP VP candidate? It was back in the 80s.
Posted by: rickl

So was Ron Paul.

I can at least respect Ron Paul even though his followers were often times crazy.

Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (qed1T)

565 it does feel as if the Upper Middle Class, Credentialed Class, Capital Class, and Chamber of Commerce are all ginning themselves up to re-assert their Authoritah

Well Hell ... I guess When To Bend One's Knee can be a hell of a decision.

Seriously ... they're getting ready to issue the Demandiest of Demands ???

DO WHAT WE SAY, OR WE'LL ACT JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE YOU HATE !!! LOSE WITH US, OR LOSE WITHOUT US !!!

I don't think you have your finger quite on the pulse of the "I don't give a fvck" demographic.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 07:17 PM (fiGNd)

566 Meh, the revolution is one more leftist cycle from being undone.

Whatever shall be, shall be. If the "republicans" want to help usher in that era well then, fuck them too.

What's so damn infuriating is they brought Trump on themselves. They never fight the Left, they fight the players who are, quite frankly, interchangeable. They never fight the ideology just the people, buncha dumbasses.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:17 PM (R5HRU)

567 How long have you been on the meds, Ace?

Cause if they are not working, something is wrong and you shd call your doctor.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 07:17 PM (iQIUe)

568 What I like about Trump? His narcissist personality.




It will really be nice to have someone in the White House like that.



I mean it's worked out so well with Obama, why not give it another shot?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:17 PM (jJRIy)

569 I doubt they will replace Trump. I could vote for Walker, at least he has a track record of having a spine and being battle tested

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 07, 2016 07:17 PM (dULJN)

570 I am not going to concede that Hillary will be the Democratic nominee. There is no way out of her current scandal(s) other than blatant disregard for the law by the DOJ...and any retard can win an election by pointing that out 24/7. Even a retard like Trump can do that...he freakin excels at it.

The left excels at ignoring (or attacking) what makes them uncomfortable. Currently, they are ignoring Hillary's liabilities because they can't handle the likely outcome. I include the press in that. Soon they will be forced to address it head on....and that's when the shit show starts. Stock up on popcorn...things are about to get entertaining.

Posted by: Orson at June 07, 2016 07:18 PM (7HHwx)

571 >>>That's your choice, bub.

Yes it is our choice whether we *ever* stand on the principal of a minimum standard or *just better than the other guy* is the enduring standard hereafter. I respect your thinking on this matter. I think there is greater merit in the other argument however.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 07, 2016 07:18 PM (0q2P7)

572 That might make Dick Durbin jealous.
Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 07:11 PM (z/Ubi)



Graham has an "Open Backdoor" policy just for such eventualities.

Posted by: Shoey at June 07, 2016 07:18 PM (vA94g)

573 sometimes I *do* get why the Trumpvolk drive people away

they all have the same method of "discussion:" they just insult you. they think they can pressure you into compliance, using their... nonexistent social cache to sway you.

Um, social pressure can only work if it comes from someone of respect.

these fucking three-toothed one-shoed idiots just blazing in from stormfront to say "I disapprove of you, sir!" don't seem to comprehend that social disapproval doesn't work from reprobates.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (dciA+)

This election season in a nutshell.

Posted by: Coast of Gary at June 07, 2016 07:18 PM (wOKJp)

574 I've noticed the ear infection protocol has changed of late.

It used to be a z pack and some Tylenol 3.

Now it's a 10 day course of amoxicillin and some "fuck you go get some Advil at CVS"

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:18 PM (U7v0V)

575 This is all very interesting and it doesn't sound compltely unlikely. My problem is that I don't see anyone else doing better, but I've never seen this kind of situation happèn before.

Sure, they can nominate whoever they want. But a lot of the people that voted for Trump will hold a grudge. Now, a person who didn't even run is going to have a better shot? If something like this happens I think there's a very good chance that the libertarian party beats the GOP.

Posted by: Potatoer at June 07, 2016 07:18 PM (MgMcJ)

576 539
I find voting for either loathsome (Hillary more so). There's no law requiring me to vote for one of them.
Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 07:14 PM (Mt8T4)


You're absolutely right. Voting third party or not voting are perfectly legitimate choices.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 07:19 PM (sdi6R)

577 >>>. The judge thing will blow over, especially if Hizzonor's unsavory La Raza connection gets even a little reporting.

yeah it won't. Liberals won't touch it; the "elite" (ahem) conservative mags won't touch it, as they agree with the liberals, and 3: this la raza connection is not as big of a deal as you think it is.

It's only a big deal if we begin questioning a Huge Question, which is this: Why is okay for minorities to huddle up in minority associations while this is considered racism for whites?

But no one has the balls to touch that question, and, anyway, it is not the kind of question that can just be answered in a quick bit of "reporting." It's a profoundly deep question about what the anti-racism ethic actually is and *to what extent these rules against racism apply to nonwhites as well as whites.*

It will not be discussed in the drive-by media, certainly not during a cartoonish campaign season.

(Besides: "Elte" conservative opinion is to cowed by the liberal media to dare to ask such deep questions.)

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:19 PM (dciA+)

578 mark kirk will be on the "Former Senators" list come Jan 21 2017. Who cares wtf he says about anything?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois




FWIW, I know someone that works at the NRSC and they were saying he was done over a year ago.

So now he gets to trash the GOP all the way until he loses like Lincoln Chaffee.

Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 07:19 PM (qed1T)

579 i think it weird how Hotair keeps linking Trump hit pieces written by Jaime Weinstein without noting who he is.

Who is he? Or is it (((he)))?

Posted by: wooga at June 07, 2016 07:19 PM (0+LRx)

580 I had hoped for a candidate who would not be making a seemingly endless stream of unforced errors on race-related topics.

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I'm not sure they are errors. If Trump survives the attacks, it'll take a lot of the sting out of you're-racist attacks. It'll be a brave new world.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 07:20 PM (Nwg0u)

581 " I doubt they will replace Trump. I could vote for Walker, at least he has a track record of having a spine and being battle tested"

Spine?

Teehee. Yeah until it came time to choose Voters over Egope money that is. That spine disappeared.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Doh!! at June 07, 2016 07:20 PM (WVsWD)

582 yeah I don't get this, man. Are you, like many of your online confreres, now convincing yourself that maybe Hillary Clinton is just a nice lady who means well?

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:12 PM (dciA+)

Is there any anti Trump commenter here who doesn't think that Hillary is the spawn of Satan, at best? Is it so hard to accept that people who, like you, think Trump is disasterpants, may come to a different decision from you regarding voting for him? I really don't understand with.

While I think Trump is horrible, I don't begrudge anyone who agrees yet has decided to support him only to stop Hillary. It's a tough decision.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 07:20 PM (Mt8T4)

583 Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (sdi6R)

No kidding? Cool info. Yeah my pops used to Reason magazine, I read the brickbats all the time as a pre-teen. Reason seems so different now as well.


Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (qed1T)

Ron Paul was a weird dude too.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:20 PM (R5HRU)

584 >>Nobody is a bigger Salam Hayek fan than me, but this is a bad idea. I watched "Banditos" with her and Penelope Cruz. Sexy idea on paper, but major boner kill in reality.


How do you fuck an idea like that up!?

You just put them on a bed, juxtaposed at say 180 degrees, and run the fucking cameras until you are out of film!

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:20 PM (I8Bd1)

585 I had really hoped that Trump and the conservative wing of the party would get along, and that real conservatives like Cruz, Lee, etc. would get behind Trump, unite the party against the useless establishment, and at the very least be positioned within the party to control its direction and messaging over the next term of years.

Silly me.

Posted by: LawLurker at June 07, 2016 07:20 PM (zKwtX)

586 Note...


Trump speaks at events every single day... for long periods of time.

There are many here who say 'why doesn't he speak about unemployment'..

You do realize he probably did.... but since most get their news from the MSM, who ONLY wants to cover certain things...

All you hear about is Mexican...

He could give the greatest speech since R. Reagan.... and you would not hear it... unless it went viral...

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 07:21 PM (qf6WZ)

587 554 Dumping Trump results in his third-party run. The right splits and its Hillary as president. The winning train has long left the station.
Posted by: Qbastard at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (lk8gW)

Trump can't mount a 3rd party run, he doesn't have the money. his wealth is a myth. it's all marketing. he has no organization and no fundraising apparatus. they jettison him and his only outlet will be Sean Fucking Hannity blowing him on air every fucking day but that's it.

Posted by: Iron Wombat at June 07, 2016 07:21 PM (V0KhB)

588
Dumping Trump results in his third-party run. The right splits and its Hillary as president. The winning train has long left the station.
Posted by: Qbastard



Independent run, not third party.

And sore loser laws prevent that. All he could do, this time, is run as a write-in, and possibly court challenge for ballot access in a few key states, like Florida or Ohio.

Mind you, suing the bejesus out of the GOP is an option. Get a friendly court and buy popcorn.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 07:21 PM (kdS6q)

589 Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:15 PM (jJRIy)

Good essay; Thanks for posting the link, Nip.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:21 PM (rmw+9)

590 This only works one way. You have to offer a gift to the other side. There is only one candidate that would work, the proto Trump. Pat Buchanan. I know he's old and might not take it, but beg him. He is Trump without the drama. I'd be pissed that Trump was screwed, but I'd still turn out for Buchanan, or you can just throw it all away, and eventually give us the party. Your choice: we get it all now or we get it all later.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 07:21 PM (qGQUx)

591 what is the purpose of primaries if the party powers that be choose a candidate? why even bother?

for that matter, why even bother with a general election?

just let our betters choose.

that seems to be where we are heading.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at June 07, 2016 07:21 PM (AHDxb)

592 Hold Ace down, I got the roto rooter and I'm going in...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 07:22 PM (iQIUe)

593 "the conservative wing of the party would get along, and that real conservatives like Cruz, Lee, etc. would get behind Trump, "

It's a little hard to get behind the guy who accused your dad of assassinating Kennedy

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:22 PM (U7v0V)

594 Is there any anti Trump commenter here who doesn't think that Hillary is the spawn of Satan, at best?

Meh ... but I've been quoted as one dude that's Joe Biden Curious. I'd vote Joe Biden ... maybe "in a heartbeat".

Dude doesn't hate me.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 07:22 PM (fiGNd)

595 Hairplug's Joe is going to be the next president.



The FBI will not disappoint anyone except the NY Slime.



Obama's endorsement is also possibly illegal since she is under investigation?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:22 PM (jJRIy)

596 Ace is one of the greatest commenters on the Internet, by this is sheer crazy-talk. If the GOPe pulls some shenanigans to oust Trump as the nominee, we would face a National Meltdown of 1861 proportions.

First off: Their replacement Golum-Candidate would lose catastrophically, as about, maybe, one-third of GOP voters overcome their disgust to even vote in November.

Second: Trump would run third party, further fracturing to surviving GOP votes.

Third: The "right" would splinter into a zillion pieces and the USA would go Socialist for the next century or two. That, is, after the civil war that erupts and is put down by Hillary's troops.

Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: zombie at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (jBuUi)

597 i saw a doctor yesterday. i got the drops last night. I forgot to buy the hair dryer because i'm stupid and would forget my dick if it wasn't in paul ryan's mouth

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (dciA+)

598 Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 07:21 PM (qf6WZ)

See, I don't think Trump is that gifted of a speaker at least not just going off the top of his head shitting out sounds from his word hole.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (R5HRU)

599 >>
Trump speaks at events every single day... for long periods of time.

Yet, doesn't say anything.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (I8Bd1)

600 I did too much outside yesterday & woke up this morning & could barely move.

Sitting over my iPad doesn't help.

I'm going back to reading bi-monthly ARS Rose Magazin

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (sj3Ax)

601 Wait, did someone seriously suggest Pat Buchanan?

I hate to mention this, but he is hardly a unity candidate.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (3ZoRf)

602 Trump-backers: "He tells it like it is! We need a truth teller!"
*Trump rambles on about his steaks and water and lawsuits and reads a poem about a snake.*

Anti-Trumpers: "He's so rude and insulting, it's hideous, outrageous!"
*Call Trump-supporters three-toothed nazi idiots, slander, lie, and fabricate evidence to accuse them of every ism under the sun.*

Everyone sucks.

Posted by: Coast of Gary at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (wOKJp)

603 By the way, the GOPe are spineless. I don't see them dumping Trump. Most of them got on the bandwagon quickly enough.

Maybe the grassroots delegates, but not the GOPe apparatchiks.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (Mt8T4)

604 You know who this helps?

Posted by: huge hewitt at June 07, 2016 07:24 PM (PLnZs)

605 I should of went into the fainting couch business. I'd be a rich man today.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. A free Hankie with every couch sold! at June 07, 2016 07:24 PM (WVsWD)

606 >>I had really hoped that Trump and the conservative wing of the party would get along, and that real conservatives like Cruz, Lee, etc. would get behind Trump, unite the party against the useless establishment, and at the very least be positioned within the party to control its direction and messaging over the next term of years.

I've never understood this line of thinking. People can think whatever they want about conservatives but the defining characteristic of real conservatives is that they put principles over everything. There has never been any candidate for the Republican nomination who guided less by principles than Trump. He is only concerned with what is good for Trump at any given moment.

Of course it probably didn't help that Trump spent a good deal of the primary personally insulting Cruz and his wife and suggesting that Cruz's dad was in league with Oswald in the killing of Kennedy. Some people find that shit kind of annoying.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 07:24 PM (/tuJf)

607 Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:22 PM (U7v0V)

There's also that. That ALMOST got me into the #NeverTrump crowd.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (R5HRU)

608 @589

Thanks. Can you believe that guy taught at UNC-CH?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (jJRIy)

609
Kimbo Slice is dead?

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (XgPhs)

610 I'd guess that there are a decent amount of people who kinda sorta agree with Trump on some of his hardline positions, but find him too erratic/strange to support. It doesn't have to be a class thing.

Online of course it does seem more that way, a bunch of ideological conservatives or respectable RINOs that are petrified of any issue having to do with race. The former are Cruz or even Rubio types, but the latter, the type who aren't culturally conservative in any meaningful way other than mocking the goofiest forms of PC, are probably due for realignment to the Democrats anyway.

Posted by: Observer at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (TPA58)

611 "I am not going to concede that Hillary will be the Democratic nominee."

Nor I.

Earlier today, her IT guy Bryan Pagliano had to provide the judge in the FOIA litigation with a copy of his immunity agreement with the DOJ. He's requesting that it be kept confidential.

Here's what his lawyer said:

"The potential for self-incrimination here is sufficient to justify Mr. Pagliano's intention to assert his Fifth Amendment rights. Mr. Pagliano's prospective deposition will inevitably cover matter that might 'furnish a link in the chain of evidence needed to prosecute.' The Court has authorized Judicial Watch to obtain discovery relating to "the creation and operation of clintonemail.co for State Department business. It is not fanciful to conclude that those matters could fall within the scope of an ongoing (or possible future) criminal investigation of the same or similar subject matter. Indeed the mere fact that the government was willing to offer Pagliano use immunity here in exchange for his testimony indicates that his fear of prosecution is more than fanciful or speculative."

If Pagliano claims he may be prosecuted what does that say about Hillary, Huma and Cheryl?

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (r1fLd)

612
There will be rioting outside the convention in Cleveland and now the GOP is thinking about starting a riot inside the convention,hell of a plan.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (lKyWE)

613 2 days for the antibiotics and the steroids shd help immediately.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (iQIUe)

614 If this happens as Ace describes, and the USA become a Corruptocracy, we wouldn't even be a decent Banana Republic, because we just don't have the right climate to grow bananas.

Posted by: zombie at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (jBuUi)

615
Wait, did someone seriously suggest Pat Buchanan? I hate to mention this, but he is hardly a unity candidate.
Posted by: Aetius451AD



Buchanan 2016: Ein Volk - Ein Vaterland

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (kdS6q)

616 Of course it probably didn't help that Trump spent a good deal of the primary personally insulting Cruz and his wife and suggesting that Cruz's dad was in league with Oswald in the killing of Kennedy. Some people find that shit kind of annoying.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 07:24 PM (/tuJf)

To put it lightly.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (3ZoRf)

617 "i cannot imagine a more frivolous factor in making a
determination whether the US lives or dies than "I don't like this
guy's twitter supporters."


Posted by: ace"

It's not just that they support him. They make up one of his core constituencies. And he deliberately panders to them.



"I also think there's all sorts of Soros-funded web efforts to give
people this impression. That's not even really a question, I remember
reading where Hillary has hired an army of people to just go and respond
to web stories.


Posted by: Maritime at June 07, 2016 07:07 PM (qed1T)"

No, these are the share of the R electorate that were Luap Nor's most fanatical supporters in past elections. Some of the accounts are fake or Russian trolls, but a scary number of them are very real.

Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (ztrrs)

618 Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (XgPhs)

Yep. Last night I believe.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (R5HRU)

619 Obama's endorsement is also possibly illegal since she is under investigation?


Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:22 PM (jJRIy)


Question becomes... with all this evidence of wrongdoing in office...

Why is Hillary not being Impeached?

Because one of the punishments impeachment can bring is to never hold another Office...

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (qf6WZ)

620 599
>>

Trump speaks at events every single day... for long periods of time.



Yet, doesn't say anything.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (I8Bd1)

Yeah, I can do that.

Posted by: Blackfoot Barry, dog eater at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (jJRIy)

621 609
Kimbo Slice is dead?
Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (XgPhs)

Yup. Gone to that great octagon in the sky.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (A6ryA)

622 >>2 days for the antibiotics and the steroids shd help immediately.

it's not antibiotics it's just steroids. he says there's no middle ear infection, just outer ear inflammation.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (dciA+)

623 >>Kimbo Slice is dead?

Yep.

Complications from steroids prescribed for an inner ear infection.

Apparently, he forgot to stop at CVS and get a Hair Dryer on the way home.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (I8Bd1)

624 Why is Hillary not being Impeached?



Because one of the punishments impeachment can bring is to never hold another Office...

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (qf6WZ)

Impeached from what? She holds no office.

Posted by: Blackfoot Barry, dog eater at June 07, 2016 07:27 PM (jJRIy)

625 This is my concern face:

Bernie Sanders Supporters Threaten To "Hunt Down In The Streets" And Kill NY Times Reporter

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 07:27 PM (p2X2f)

626 Off Blackfoot sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:27 PM (jJRIy)

627 "I could vote for Walker, at least he has a track record of having a spine and being battle tested"

I kept hearing about MIGHTY SCOTT WALKER SITTING ATOP THE HUGE PILE OF HIS ENEMIES' BONES. And about how WALKER TOOK ON AND UTTERLY DESTROYED THE WISCONSIN LABOR UNIONS.

In reality? Walker managed to connive a slight reduction in the cushy benefits of precisely one (1) of cheese country's public unions. That was it.

This modest accomplishment was spun as though Walker had personally decertified every union in WI, public and private, and exiled all the union bosses, weeping, into outer darkness.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (noWW6)

628 "it's not antibiotics it's just steroids. he says there's no middle ear infection, just outer ear inflammation.
"

The dangers inherent to using a dumpster as a blind during your nightly hobo hunts.

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (U7v0V)

629
>>Kimbo Slice is dead?

Yep.

Complications from steroids prescribed for an inner ear infection.

Apparently, he forgot to stop at CVS and get a Hair Dryer on the way home.




Wow that's a shitty way to go.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (XgPhs)

630 Uh, Ryan has already walked back his remarks. "La Raza" is becoming the news. pwned by Trump, again.

Posted by: oddnot frets not at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (g1MTt)

631 for that matter, why even bother with a general election?
just let our betters choose. that seems to be where we are heading.


Benevolent Monarch. That's what the masses want. Of course ... the masses are roughly 50/50 split on the ends. But the means ? Total agreement.

Been tellin' y'all.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (fiGNd)

632 626
I SEE THAT CRUZ LOBBED A FEW GRENADES TRUMP'S WAY TODAY. YEAH, HE'S A FUCKTARD TOO.



Posted by: TVOC at June 07, 2016 07:27 PM (XzRw1)

There is a reason NO Senator endorsed him.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (jJRIy)

633 It's a little hard to get behind the guy who accused your dad of assassinating Kennedy
Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:22 PM (U7v0V)

Well, he likened Carson to a child molester, and Carson eagerly jumped on board. Although Carson was the worst surrogates ever, so maybe he was secretly trying to sabotage Trump.

Back to your comment. I'm sure if Cruz doesn't endorse a man who maligned and/or slandered his wife and dad, that would make him a terrible person, an establishment liar.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (Mt8T4)

634

I could vote for cotton. Anybody but her

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 07:29 PM (uEl/R)

635 For all you dead enders: as shitty as pulling the rug out from under Trump would be (it wouldn't be because he's a piece of shit), remember: Hillary, SCOTUS, blah blah.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 07:29 PM (bayZw)

636 If Pagliano claims he may be prosecuted what does that say about Hillary, Huma and Cheryl?

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:25 PM (r1fLd)


Does not matter IF they can slow roll the FBI investigation until after the election.

Which is exactly what they are doing.

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 07:29 PM (qf6WZ)

637 >>> Is there any anti Trump commenter here who doesn't think that Hillary is the spawn of Satan, at best?

Well I wouldn't say literally. I would say observationally she is one of the most despicable people I know of from any time and any place.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 07, 2016 07:29 PM (0q2P7)

638
I should of went into the fainting couch business. I'd be a rich man today.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois



The rustle of crushed crinolines as man-ladies faint all about is keeping my pet peacocks up all night.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 07:29 PM (kdS6q)

639 Dust off and nuke the whole thing from orbit?

Posted by: simplemind at June 07, 2016 07:29 PM (BTnAK)

640 Bernie Sanders Supporters Threaten To "Hunt Down In The Streets" And Kill NY Times Reporter

-
Oh, the subhumanity!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (Nwg0u)

641 If they replace Trump that will guarantee hillary the White House.

Posted by: Deno at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (g3y2Q)

642 601 Wait, did someone seriously suggest Pat Buchanan?

I hate to mention this, but he is hardly a unity candidate.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:23 PM (3ZoRf)


Yeah, no.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (sdi6R)

643 Me, the only hope is see is that FBI Director James Comey has an ironclad case of criminal activity on HRC, Huma, Cheryl Mills et al, AND he has the balls to press the case in the public forum if necessary to see justice done.

Posted by: jpintx at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (eY2fu)

644 It's only a big deal if we begin questioning a Huge Question, which is this: Why is okay for minorities to huddle up in minority associations while this is considered racism for whites?

But no one has the balls to touch that question


Trump does, but whether he has the cunning to do so or if he'll just be easily manipulated by Democrats with various personal attacks by willing dupes to distract him from it remains to be seen.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (39g3+)

645 Ace,
I have WSJ & What's News app. I can put things on Twitter from that WSJ App.
High Trump Anxiety is new WSJ editorial & speculates delegates might want to change is trump doesn't start acting like a political leader.

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (sj3Ax)

646

Wait until Texas. Trump is coming next week. La Raza will lose their shit

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (uEl/R)

647 Nice fantasy world - Tom Cotton is not nearly enough of a trans-national open borders corporatist freak to satisfy the UniParty (R). Besides, the players have already told us they would rather have Hillery than Trump. And that will be your choice.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (P/kVC)

648 This modest accomplishment was spun as though Walker
had personally decertified every union in WI, public and private, and
exiled all the union bosses, weeping, into outer darkness.


Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (noWW6)

Well, NOT exactly. WI ALSO passed the right to work law, the killer of unions everywhere.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (jJRIy)

649 This is my concern face:

Bernie Sanders Supporters Threaten To "Hunt Down In The Streets" And Kill NY Times Reporter



This threat shouldn't carry too much weight unless the Sandernistas manage to find someone who will lend them a car and won't charge them for the gas.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (8ZskC)

650 Or, we could cover it in chocolate and feed it to the boys.

For The Syndicate.

Posted by: Milo at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (I8Bd1)

651 606 "Principled conservatism" is a little retarded when the modern Left is entirely in anti-white privilege mode, and, let's be honest, there has always been a racial element to post-1964 conservatism, even if it was never explicitly pitched that way.

Not saying Trump is a the right response, just, let's acknowledge what the playing field is now.

Posted by: Observer at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (TPA58)

652 I'm sure I'm only the 136th person to say it, but Ace is onto something here.

Cotton appears the only palatable choice against rapidly melting-down Trump at this stage.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 07:31 PM (ntObR)

653
Do they amputate ears still?

You know, from the gang green.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:31 PM (XgPhs)

654 Walked dogs, cleared head. The usual suspect screamin' meemies--Graham and clones--are floating this substitute candidate trial balloon under the prextext ofTrump's rayyyyzzzist Messican diss. The transnational party bosses are slightly more receptive due to (a) Trump not being ahead prior to Hillary's big ball tonight and (b) possible leaks that the FBI won't refer her for prosecution. In the end they won't change horses it because that quarter of the party, the upper middle-class virtue signalers, aren't worth as much as all those senator and MoC sunk costs. Those hookers are gone forever if Trump's peeps walk.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 07, 2016 07:31 PM (9EIfi)

655 Impeached from what? She holds no office.


Posted by: Blackfoot Barry, dog eater at June 07, 2016 07:27 PM (jJRIy)


You can impeach prior office holders... for infractions committed while in office.

And as stated, one punishment allowed by impeachment is that they can never again hold public office.

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 07:31 PM (qf6WZ)

656 "Wait until Texas. Trump is coming next week. La Raza will lose their shit"

At least he's not coming to Austinto cut in line at Franklins

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:31 PM (U7v0V)

657 Lauren and JackStraw,

That came later. I'm thinking more about during the Trump-Cruz detente period early on.

Posted by: LawLurker at June 07, 2016 07:32 PM (zKwtX)

658 I could totally support Tom Cotton.

Ace, I understand what you're saying, but I think that you may be a bit off. I'm looking at it myself. I may be an unusual test case. When I was born, my dad was a struggling student, granted a med student. He was inspired to work at a teaching hospital to give back, but then Chair of Medicine. Suddenly no more Kaboom! Our back yard was next to the 5th hole of a local country club. Yet I became an Evangelical, a Pentecostal in fact. In terms of career, I worked professionally in Politics/Government for nearly 15 years till the Dems swept everything in California. I now work in IT.

There are two reasons why I am #NeverTrump, neither is the ones you are suggesting. 1) My faith calls against it. I can't vote for someone as vile as Trump, someone whose values are the same as Billy Boy. Everything he "Stands" for now is opposed to everything he has said in the past. I don't believe that he would appoint good judges. He craves the approval of social libs too much. Though I voted for Dole, McCain and Romney, I never trusted them. I hoped if they would see it as in their own benefit, they would appoint good judges. I doubt that Trump ever will. He needs approval and will never fight the fight to get another Thomas on the bench.

2) As someone who has been staff on over 70 campaigns, I think that Trump's a sure loser. He's undisciplined. He's sloppy and it hasn't mattered till now because the MSM has been doing a McCain. If he were running against anyone other than Hillary, he'd already be finished. But they will make every week look like the past one and he won't know how to respond. I already assume the Court's lost. With Trump, the Senate is likely gone and probably the House. State Legislatures will flip. We'd be back where we were in '64. If we get someone who ONLY loses as bad as Romney, we'd have something to fall back on and maybe keep the House. With Trump, we become a one-party nation, like California after Trump beta, Arnold SchwartzenKennedy.


Posted by: calbadger at June 07, 2016 07:32 PM (rKRC9)

659 sometimes I *do* get why the Trumpvolk drive people away

they all have the same method of "discussion:" they just insult you. they think they can pressure you into compliance, using their... nonexistent social cache to sway you.

Um, social pressure can only work if it comes from someone of respect.

these fucking three-toothed one-shoed idiots just blazing in from stormfront to say "I disapprove of you, sir!" don't seem to comprehend that social disapproval doesn't work from reprobates.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:16 PM (dciA+)


That's because your just a neocon cuck you Zionist La Raza CUCK!!1!`~eleventy!!1!

Posted by: A Random Alt-Righter at June 07, 2016 07:32 PM (vBeA5)

660 Trump speaks at events every single day... for long periods of time.

Yet, doesn't say anything.
Posted by: garrett



That the MFM bothers to report on.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2016 07:32 PM (LwB8i)

661 645
Ace,

I have WSJ What's News app. I can put things on Twitter from that WSJ App.

High Trump Anxiety is new WSJ editorial speculates delegates
might want to change is trump doesn't start acting like a political
leader.

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (sj3Ax)

In the last two weeks the WSJ has gone off the rails with negative coverage and editorials about Trump.
They are still in denial.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:32 PM (jJRIy)

662 Sadly, I don't think it's going to burn as much as it should:

Yo, Michelle Obama, The House You Wake Up In Was Rebuilt Under Harry Truman.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 07:32 PM (p2X2f)

663 "Then to cherry on top the motherfucker, you get Gary "Dude where's my car?" Johnson to say he agrees with Obamas amensty? "

Yeah, Moo was saying in the other thread conservatives here don't like Johnson because of pot legalization. I could give a rip about that. He's pro-amnesty.

regarding pot, the Reason crowd annoys me because they act like it's one of the friggin' biggest issues facing the nation. Yeah, I guess I once thought so too when I was 17.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 07:32 PM (P8951)

664 it's not antibiotics it's just steroids. he says there's no middle ear infection, just outer ear inflammation.

Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (dciA+)
===============
Okay. I'd still call you doctor and tell him that the steroids are not alleviating the pain. You got swimmer's ear!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (iQIUe)

665 Blow in my ear and I'll follow you anywhere.

Posted by: Rowan and Martin at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (gyKtp)

666
When Trump is in Texas, will he go to Goobersmooches?


That's a real place, right?

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (XgPhs)

667 Uh, Ryan has already walked back his remarks. "La Raza" is becoming the news. pwned by Trump, again.
Posted by: oddnot frets not at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (g1MTt)

Yup...pwned like the boot licking toadie bitch he is.

Paul Ryan, ass clown speaker of the year. He needs to learn to keep his pie hole shut till he knows the shot.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (ej1L0)

668 The rustle of crushed crinolines as man-ladies faint all about is keeping my pet peacocks up all night.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 07:29 PM (kdS6q)

I'm such a low class, mouth breating, Trumptard, I don't even know what a "crinoline" is.

I'll go look it up in the Trumptionary.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. A free Hankie with every couch sold! at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (WVsWD)

669 i'm not a girl
Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:06 PM (dciA+)

But I'm sure that you know some. :^)
Or you could go and buy one at the pharmacy.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:08 PM (rmw+9)

I think those sorts of pharmacies are only legal in Nevada.

Posted by: thrill at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (cDdZo)

670 So, Who Is the GOP Going to Install as Its Nominee Instead of Trump?

Why, hello there!

Posted by: Zombie Agusto Pinochet at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (vBeA5)

671 Well, as long as we're discussing anthropomorphic cartoon characters that we found sexually attractive, Penelope Pussycat had a certain je ne sais quoi about her, no?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (BRgcl)

672 "Among Trump's jobs was to bring this group aboard"

Trump's job is to remove this group so that Americans can actually engage with the enemy. This group is why Hispanic Lawyers Associations and La Raza Lawyers Associations are considered acceptable and even noble and celebrated but a White Lawyers Associations or an Aryan Lawyers Association is (rightly) viewed as racist. This group is the immediate problem.

In the early stages of the War, Lincoln's most immediate problem was not Lee. It was McClellan.

Posted by: Ulysses S. Grant at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (X4FeV)

673 Buchanan 2016: Ein Volk - Ein Vaterland


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (kdS6q)

Yep, Pat Buchanan is Hitler. This is how far left the right has gone. It's beyond salvage. You deserve what you're going to get.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 07, 2016 07:34 PM (qGQUx)

674 I just got over a urinary tract infection. Painful and inconvenient. Worse, it was probably caused or aggravated by over consumption of my new favorite drink, iced coffee.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 07:34 PM (Nwg0u)

675 Waves* to fellow Pentecostal calbadger.

*throws snake

Posted by: Lauren at June 07, 2016 07:34 PM (U7v0V)

676 653
Do they amputate ears still?

You know, from the gang green.
Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:31 PM (XgPhs)

Yes, and they can be served with a side of cauliflower.

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 07:34 PM (7qAYi)

677 Ahh. Should have asked my Wife. She would have known.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. A free Hankie with every couch sold! at June 07, 2016 07:34 PM (WVsWD)

678 591 what is the purpose of primaries if the party powers that be choose a candidate? why even bother?

for that matter, why even bother with a general election?

just let our betters choose.

that seems to be where we are heading.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at June 07, 2016 07:21 PM (AHDxb)

I'm thinking it's a sham exercise allowing citizens to believe they have any "say-so". Billions and billions are spent and distributed.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (CFc5L)

679

you mean Penelope Pitstop?

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (XgPhs)

680 Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 07:28 PM (noWW6)


He also survived a recall election and was reelected in a pretty lib state.


Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (dULJN)

681 >>Principled conservatism" is a little retarded when the modern Left is entirely in anti-white privilege mode, and, let's be honest, there has always been a racial element to post-1964 conservatism, even if it was never explicitly pitched that way.

No, I don't agree. Principles don't stop mattering or working just because the left has become completely unhinged. Well, more unhinged.

I backed Cruz not because I like him but because I like what he represents, mostly. I think he has the personality and charisma of a brick wall and he ran a shitty campaign. That's why he lost to Trump, not because conservatism doesn't work.

What we need is better candidates not different principles.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (/tuJf)

682

Note from earlier: apple cider vinegar hurts those with ADD or those with ADHD, so beware.

There is no ONE answer for anyone.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (qCMvj)

683 >>
That the MFM bothers to report on.


I've watched Trump speak.
Cogent is not a word I would use to describe any of his speeches.

Posted by: Milo at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (I8Bd1)

684
Stop the pigeon!
Stop the pigeon!
Stop the pigeon!

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (XgPhs)

685 Ace...Also - How about this.

If the GOPe does that, why cannot Trump just make a deal with Bernie Sanders giving him the VP spot.

The deal: Trump supports some of Bernie economic polices, especially on the socially weak upper class "conservatives" you speak of, and in return Bernie backs off Trump on trade, gun and immigration issues. Bernie is so darn old as a commie he probably thinks in his heart that modern leftist want a trade embargo and closed borders to help the unions.

That should win enough union and university leftist to make up for "lost" votes. I can support the unions for awhile if the socially upper class conservatives at NR/GOPe can support open borders and free trade forever leftist. Right?

I mean if they (like Redstate) so want to crush the "Trumpsters" on nationalism, why not sell them out on their precious one world capitalist utopia. Bernie is old and easily confused, Trump can use him, when needed.

It is called lets make a deal...all is fair in love and war.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (KhJh8)

686 this is a very good post what you made Mr. Ace

Nice work.

Posted by: happyfeet at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (42bSe)

687
I don't even know what a "crinoline" is.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois




You don't bring a gun to a thesaurus fight.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 07, 2016 07:36 PM (kdS6q)

688 You can impeach prior office holders... for infractions committed while in office.



And as stated, one punishment allowed by impeachment is that they can never again hold public office.

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 07:31 PM (qf6WZ)

Good luck with that. Which office do you start with? Senate? The only penalty for impeachment conviction would be future office holding, you can not remove her from an office she doesn't have.

The chances 2/3 of the Senate would vote for such are about as good as Hillary saying something honest.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:36 PM (jJRIy)

689
Sounds like Ace has the gout in the ear.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:36 PM (XgPhs)

690 671 Well, as long as we're discussing anthropomorphic cartoon characters that we found sexually attractive, Penelope Pussycat had a certain je ne sais quoi about her, no?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 07:33 PM (BRgcl)

========
When I was a kid I was attracted to Rocky of Bullwinkle and Rocky. Does that make me gay??

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 07:36 PM (iQIUe)

691
Ace has rickets?

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:36 PM (XgPhs)

692 HellerSockOFF

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:36 PM (I8Bd1)

693 I wouldn't read too much into Kirk. He's always been a gun-grabbing turd, an arguable outlier even among RINOs.

Posted by: Mentor of Arisia at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (W5t09)

694 Trump's job is to remove this group so that Americans can actually
engage with the enemy. This group is why Hispanic Lawyers Associations
and La Raza Lawyers Associations are considered acceptable and even
noble and celebrated but a White Lawyers Associations or an Aryan
Lawyers Association is (rightly) viewed as racist. This group is the
immediate problem.

----------------------------

Heh, "The Race Lawyers".

What's in a name. Why, nothing. Nothing at all.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (P/kVC)

695
I think it's the croup.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (XgPhs)

696 i'm not a girl

-
OK, OK, you're a pre-woman.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (Nwg0u)

697 OK, let's war-game this, see how it plays out:

GOPe steals nomination from Trump, installs some squish loser as GOP nominee.

Four million gap-toothed rednecks, hillbillies and bikers all toting guns "with that thing that goes up" descend on DC to "occupy" the Capitol Building until "demands are met."

DC cops and Park Police are overwhelmed.

Obama calls in the Maryland National Guard.

Problem is, half of the Maryland national Guard are already in DC, as part of the occupying mob; the other half sympathize with them.

Army called in; shades of 1934 and FDR putting down the "Bonus Marchers."

Bloodshed. Bodies.

Outrage. Off the charts.

Hillary dies of coughing fit.

Bernie gets the nod.

Trump goes third party.

Final electoral college tally: Trump 35%, Sanders 34%, GOPe squish 31%.

Trump assumes office, declares martial law.

Now, four million testosterone-fueled anarchist and illegal aliens descend on DC, swarm over the White House fence, and "occupy" the White House.

Trump retreat to Mar a Lago Trump Resort and Golf Course in Florida, which is quickly dubbed "The Southern White House."

Lefties and illegals trash and then "accidentally" burn down the White House.

Chaos and anarchy ensue.

Civilization as we know it ends.

Posted by: zombie at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (jBuUi)

698 Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 07:32 PM (P8951)

Precisely, between the pot uber alles attitude, the open borders and general "government? Where we're going we don't need government......."

It makes it pretty damn hard to take them serious, plus I don't think conservatives dislike that brand of Libertarian, it's because as you stated they treat Pot as if it's the number one issue facing the universe.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 07:38 PM (R5HRU)

699 "Does not matter IF they can slow roll the FBI investigation until after the election."

All indications are that it's close to finished. Hillary needs to have her cup of coffee with Comey. With the primaries over she has no excuse for delay.

I'd bet on a leak with the magic word "RICO." I'd even bet by the end of June. I'd bet on that before I'd bet on Hugh Hewitt's #Mutiny.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:38 PM (r1fLd)

700 Could just be some bad humours, too.

When was the last time you changed out your belt onions?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:39 PM (I8Bd1)

701 In the last two weeks the WSJ has gone off the rails with negative coverage and editorials about Trump.
They are still in denial.
Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:32 PM (jJRIy)

For a moment there, it looked like Trump actually might be able to pull it off (I still think he might be able to, because for chrissakes it's only June), especially with the rioters in San Jose unwittingly helping him out. The rioters want to "recreate 68" - well, the bozos forget who won in
68. It was the law and order Republican guy, the guy whose political career looked dead in 1960.

the WSJ knows that - so they're helping the Dems out with this stupid "look, a squirrel!" shitfest. (And of course, Trump's ham-fisted handling of this hasn't helped.)

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 07:39 PM (P8951)

702
Anyone remember Curtis Got Slapped? The crazy mother even tried to trademark the phrase, or she did.

Curtis Got Slapped
Trump Said Mexican

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:39 PM (XgPhs)

703 Posted by: zombie at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (jBuUi)

sorry... but if there is no one wins a majority of the electoral college, the House decides who wins.

It has to be someone who ran, and got votes...

So RNC squish gets in...

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 07:39 PM (qf6WZ)

704 Wait, I thought Rocky was a female?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 07:39 PM (BRgcl)

705 Sounds like Ace has the gout in the ear.
Posted by: Mister Magoo


Could be lumbago.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (p2X2f)

706 Trump's Mexican judge is a member of Hispanic Lawyers Associations. They've called for a boycott of Trump businesses.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (r1fLd)

707 I actually wrote something I thought tried to explain some of this, but then I realized that was pointless.

Only one thing matters now.

https://youtu.be/rYzXhE3vwNk

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (wB8Tg)

708 I've watched Trump speak.
Cogent is not a word I would use to describe any of his speeches.

-
Well, he's not as articulate as Obama, but who is?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (Nwg0u)

709 If only someone had warned us that Trump's loud mouth and shady business past would cause problems in the general election.

Posted by: V the K at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (uOtyQ)

710 Is it Lupus!?

Posted by: George Costanza at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (I8Bd1)

711 I think Ace has dengue.

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (7qAYi)

712
Curtis Got Slapped was the mother's winning lottery ticket, she thought, btw, just to refresh your mammaries.

Seems some in the GOP think Trump Said Mexican is their lottery ticket.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (XgPhs)

713 Civilization as we know it ends.

Posted by: zombie at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (jBuUi)

Breaking News. It has already ended. It is already burnt. People are now searching the rubble for shiny bits of gold and silver so they can say.....

"I got mine" !!!!!

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. A free Hankie with every couch sold! at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (WVsWD)

714 699 "Does not matter IF they can slow roll the FBI investigation until after the election."

All indications are that it's close to finished. Hillary needs to have her cup of coffee with Comey. With the primaries over she has no excuse for delay.

I'd bet on a leak with the magic word "RICO." I'd even bet by the end of June. I'd bet on that before I'd bet on Hugh Hewitt's #Mutiny.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:38 PM (r1fLd)


DOJ will never indict the President Elect of the US...

Nor a sitting President.

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (qf6WZ)

715
it's not antibiotics it's just steroids. he says there's no middle ear infection, just outer ear inflammation.





Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:26 PM (dciA+)


So, the spider just nibbled a bit?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (1ZOkK)

716 Ever see a Chihuahua bark at a Rottweiler (on a leash 100 yards away).

Posted by: DaveA at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (DL2i+)

717 Could be Zika.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (I8Bd1)

718 I do not care what the establishment elites think; Trump is not racist or a misogynist. He is against illegal immigration that devalues wages. He is not against immigration and has actually talked up increasing H1-B visas.

I am voting for him. I don't care what the elites think. What they think has led to double digit inflation and no meaningful raises for 15 years while heath care costs have also more than doubled. They haven't done anything for the middle class in DECADES. They suck.

I am voting for Trump and I don't care who knows it!

Posted by: Steve in Tulsa at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (aYZm4)

719 651 606 "Principled conservatism" is a little retarded when the modern Left is entirely in anti-white privilege mode, and, let's be honest, there has always been a racial element to post-1964 conservatism, even if it was never explicitly pitched that way.

Not saying Trump is a the right response, just, let's acknowledge what the playing field is now.
Posted by: Observer at June 07, 2016 07:30 PM (TPA5

I absolutely take issue with the idea that all conservatives were/are racist since 1964.

I get so fricking tired of that. Instead of out and out saying it, it is left as "well, there has been the appearance of" or "It always seemed like" or "There were those who".

This argument is the same as the tired thing John Kerry did- the "Some people say..."

And the best part about that argument is that any defense against it is used as evidence against the accused. "They protest too much."

Dear God, I hate modern rhetoric.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (3ZoRf)

720 I'm totally fucking with and in Ace's head from briefly scanning things the past few minutes.

Posted by: masterbaitin' spider at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (X/5o4)

721 Dont you have a gf who has a hair drier who can bring it over and also pick up some heroin while she's on the way? Seriously, what happened to the east coast heroin epidemic? I thought y'all were suppose to be dying the streets? Heroin or medicinal purposes is okay since the body metabolizes it into morphine which is legal.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (iQIUe)

722 689


Sounds like Ace has the gout in the ear.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:36 PM (XgPhs)

Never put asparagus in your ear. Your ear wax will stink.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:42 PM (jJRIy)

723
Ace, check your cervix.

The cervix is in the inner ear, right?

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:42 PM (XgPhs)

724 706 Trump's Mexican judge is a member of Hispanic Lawyers Associations. They've called for a boycott of Trump businesses.
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (r1fLd)

Do you remember why?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 07:42 PM (MNgU2)

725 699 ... Hillary needs to have her cup of coffee with Comey. With the primaries over she has no excuse for delay.
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:38 PM (r1fLd)

Once winning the nomination, Hillary will be preemptively pardoned "any day now" ... for the children.

Posted by: thrill at June 07, 2016 07:42 PM (cDdZo)

726 Dear God, I hate modern rhetoric.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (3ZoRf) fnord (3ZoRf)


That's a pretty highfalutin' word for what people do with their cakeholes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 07, 2016 07:43 PM (wB8Tg)

727 It's probably an acute case of vuvuzula

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 07:43 PM (p2X2f)

728 For those of you warning of a "fracture on the right" that will lead to the election of a progressive:.where have you been? That has already happened.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 07:43 PM (bayZw)

729 When I was a kid I was attracted to Rocky of Bullwinkle and Rocky. Does that make me gay??
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 07:36 PM (iQIUe)

And now for something you'll really like!!!

A woman did Rocky's voice.

Really, though, being attracted to Rocky and not Natasha does sound kinda ghey, dude.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 07:44 PM (P8951)

730 The Cruz-Trump GOP Primary was a complete and total rejection of the GOP Establishmet RINOs by the Republican base.

Yet Ace of Spades is wrining his hands thinking that the GOPe can save the GOP by replacing Trump with a hand picked Establishment Puppet.

LOL!

The GOP is finished.

Ace needs to go through the stages of grief that William F. Buckleyist Fusionism is finished. It's a failed ideology. The Neo-Marxists defeated it.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 07:44 PM (He2Fk)

731 Grooming tip. Ewoks need to trim their ear hair, or they get infections of the ear.



Posted by: Nip Sip at June 07, 2016 07:44 PM (jJRIy)

732 Civilization as we know it ends.

Posted by: zombie at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (jBuUi)

It's built into the cake already.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 07:44 PM (gyKtp)

733 "706 Trump's Mexican judge is a member of Hispanic Lawyers Associations. They've called for a boycott of Trump businesses."

The irony.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 07, 2016 07:44 PM (9EIfi)

734 They had, what, 16 other applicants for the job? The widest field of acceptable prime in the history of the Party, and Trump wins the popular vote with more votes than anyone in the history of the GOP?

And some magical politician is going to step in and "right" the Party?

These party apparatchiks are both delusional and suicidal. I now applaud their feints to appear relevant and, simply, laugh. They are going to do nothing and like it in spite of their evident tantrums.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 07, 2016 07:45 PM (1CroS)

735 If they change the rules and deny the voters and the coming Monster vote in the general election for Trump, then nobody can deny that both parties would rather see the entire country burn with blood in the streets.

A bunch of psychopaths running things.

Posted by: agiprop at June 07, 2016 07:45 PM (X/5o4)

736
Ace bumped an old post.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:46 PM (XgPhs)

737 The GOPe are going to do NOTHING candidate-wise to oppose Trump--certainly not with another candidate at/through the convention, etc.

The GOPe WILL defeat Trump--through a fatal combination of grin fucking, grimace fucking and plain old backstabbing--may be worse....Trump can not, in the GOPe world, ever be allowed to win.

Exact same thing wold have happened to Cruz.

The peons(aka VOTERS) screwed up and did not follow orders this time......much retaliation and suffering to come.

Posted by: Malignantly aggrieved and economically useless at June 07, 2016 07:46 PM (3ZttN)

738 It's not that I don't think that the judge could be biased, but:

When did the suit start in earnest? When did Trump become vocal against immigration?

What are Trump's lawyers saying?

Don't you think that he has the tendency to take legitimate issues pertaining to principles and personalizes and trivializes them? This all seems so self-centered

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 07:46 PM (bayZw)

739 Watching an old episode of "Cheers" & Dana Delaney is Sam's love interest. Wow, I forgot how beautiful she was.

Posted by: josephistan at June 07, 2016 07:46 PM (7qAYi)

740 I hate to say this, but during this whole campaign, Trump has been saying totally outrageous! things -- and then a week or two later, something happens (usually something awful), that sort proves him right. (Ex: "Some of the Mexicans that come here are thugs" and a week later, Kate Steinle gets murdered).

I hate to think what that something might be that is coming, but it's been uncanny, so far.

Posted by: the other coyote at June 07, 2016 07:47 PM (yK44T)

741 700 >>When was the last time you changed out your belt onions?

Bravo!! I laughed until I snarted!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 07, 2016 07:47 PM (BRgcl)

742 471 I'm black and white on Trump being the nominee. There is no wiggle room . He won. He's the nominee.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 07:05 PM (MNgU2)


Yep. It wasn't joy and sunshine voting for him, but he's the guy. Pulling the rug out is only going to cause YUGE problems. These problems will almost certainly involve violence.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 07, 2016 07:47 PM (4ErVI)

743 The GOPe WILL defeat Trump--through a fatal combination of grin fucking,...


Ooh, tell me more!

Posted by: Grin Beck at June 07, 2016 07:47 PM (7qAYi)

744 If you thinkCruz is a RINOS, you're a retard.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 07:48 PM (bayZw)

745 I should have went into the fainting couch business. I'd be a rich man today.
Or hysterectomies.

Posted by: zombie 19th century medical scientist at June 07, 2016 07:48 PM (PLnZs)

746 Blue-on-blue laugh of the day.


http://tinyurl.com/j9vla8y

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 07, 2016 07:48 PM (Nwg0u)

747
when Dana Delaney got nood in that awful rosie odonnell movie, I was very impressed with her bits.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:48 PM (XgPhs)

748 It's really a great advantage having no working TV. All I know about Trump's stupid remark is what is said on here or the few other sites I read. I don't have to listen to any TV personalities yammering on endlessly about what a raaaaacist Trump is

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:48 PM (rmw+9)

749 No, I don't agree. Principles don't stop mattering or working just because the left has become completely unhinged. Well, more unhinged.


Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 07:35 PM (/tuJf)

One of the things that has shocked and saddened me this election season is the eagerness of some to.jettison (apparently) previously held principles.

I just can't see throwing overboard practically everything I believe in in order to win*. What would be the point of winning in that case? Isn't that the problem we all had with the GOPe?


* I do understand wanting to keep Hillary away from the White House.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 07:48 PM (Mt8T4)

750
Dana Delaney is very pretty -- she has the pretty Irish girl face.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:48 PM (XgPhs)

751 700 Could just be some bad humours, too.
Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:39 PM (I8Bd1)


Maybe he just needs to be bled. That'll cure anything.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 07:49 PM (sdi6R)

752 So Cruz is a RINO while Trump is....what? True conservative champion? Small government stalwart? Defender of individual liberty and the Constitution?

I have never seen an argument in Trump's favor more coherent than "well, people I don't like hate him"

Posted by: radar at June 07, 2016 07:49 PM (dv34Z)

753 747
when Dana Delaney got nood in that awful rosie odonnell movie, I was very impressed with her bits.

Posted by: Mister Magoo at June 07, 2016 07:48 PM (XgPhs)


It was definitely worth suffering through Rosie in a leather outfit. As amazing as that sounds, Delaney was worth it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 07, 2016 07:49 PM (4ErVI)

754 Could be ace has a bad case of the vapors.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 07:49 PM (gyKtp)

755 We've passed Bill Kristol, and Hugh Hewitt, and have now entered the Glen Beck dimension of #neverTrump.

We should never have taken the Brown Acid.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:50 PM (r1fLd)

756 724
Of course we remember why.

Because we middle and working class Trumpets refuse to be replaced by third world country easily manipulated peasants just so that elitists can take their rightful place at the head of their nwo as they reduce us and our children to nothing more than indentured servants.

And, you see,.Trump is the only one that has at least told us that he would stand up for us.
No. One. Else. Has.

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 07:50 PM (RfTF0)

757 Trump's Mexican judge is a member of Hispanic Lawyers Associations. They've called for a boycott of Trump businesses.
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:40 PM (r1fLd)

Haha...now Trump should call for a boycott of the Hispanic Lawyers Associations and an end to any federal money they receive or federal cases they get. Hardball baby.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 07, 2016 07:50 PM (ej1L0)

758 Civilization as we know it ends.

Posted by: zombie at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (jBuUi)


At least cats and dogs aren't living together...

Posted by: Dr. Vankman at June 07, 2016 07:50 PM (vBeA5)

759 755 We've passed Bill Kristol, and Hugh Hewitt, and have now entered the Glen Beck dimension of #neverTrump.

We should never have taken the Brown Acid.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 07, 2016 07:50 PM (r1fLd)


Never go full Glenn Beck.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 07, 2016 07:51 PM (4ErVI)

760 Posted by: zombie at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (jBuUi)



After careful study, I'm still not seeing the downside.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 07, 2016 07:51 PM (GUBah)

761 Posted by: the other coyote at June 07, 2016 07:47 PM (yK44T)

He didn't just say 'some of the Mexicans that come here are thugs'. It was just the opposite, ' some might be good people'

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 07, 2016 07:51 PM (MNgU2)

762 717 Could be Zika.
Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2016 07:41 PM (I8Bd1)

Well, he did go bicycling. Who knows where.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 07:51 PM (CFc5L)

763 If it ain't Trump, I'll vote for the guy who quit smokin' dope five weeks ago.

Posted by: Bill R. at June 07, 2016 07:52 PM (GYuMu)

764 At least cats and dogs aren't living together...
------
But I love pussy!
Arf! Arf! Arf!

Posted by: hilllary at June 07, 2016 07:52 PM (PLnZs)

765 I've thought it over and decided the question is moot.

If we had nominated a status quo GOP nominee by vote or if the party now nominates one on its own the eventual outcome is the same, a loss.

Trump is a complete unknown, anything could happen with him as the nominee.

Which GOP politician wants to sacrifice his/her career and reputation? After Kristol's pratfall, total embarrassment is just a press release away.

Posted by: Meremortal at June 07, 2016 07:52 PM (3myMJ)

766 President Dave's not here, man.

Posted by: cheech n. chong at June 07, 2016 07:52 PM (PLnZs)

767 I got it! Ace has the French pox!

Posted by: Josephistan at June 07, 2016 07:53 PM (7qAYi)

768 And, you see,.Trump is the only one that has at least told us that he would stand up for us.
No. One. Else. Has.
Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 07:50 PM (RfTF0)

You just want your own Caudillo. Irony of ironies.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 07:53 PM (bayZw)

769 Anyone want to buy some Dem Blue Kristol meth? It's 99.4% pure.

Posted by: zombie walter white at June 07, 2016 07:53 PM (PLnZs)

770 Cruz aint a RINO, and Trump is a Nationalist.

The GOPe was hostile to both. Those were the 2 leading candidates in the primary. The primary was a complete rejection of the GOPe.

The GOP is a failed party. They left the voters, and so the voters have now left the GOP.

The GOP is finished. The last time a party folded aka The Whigs and we had mass immigration, we had Civil War.

Violence is coming either way. Ethnic, religious and ideological cleansing.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 07:54 PM (He2Fk)

771 I got it! Ace has the French pox!
I'll heat up the silver wire immediately!

Posted by: zombie 19th century medical scientist at June 07, 2016 07:54 PM (PLnZs)

772 20 sec until polls close in Jersey

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 07:54 PM (3wHFl)

773 754 Could be ace has a bad case of the vapors.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 07:49 PM (gyKtp)

Unbalanced Humours.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:54 PM (3ZoRf)

774 Dana Delay is hot! Also, another MILF next door that I want to smell of sweat and cheap perfume: Connie Britton, though she is a total program.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 07:55 PM (bayZw)

775 I guess we need to open our borders ... because many folks have a gardener, or nanny, or roofer, or someone else that they like quite a bit.

And the damn plumber, electrician, and doctors and lawyers need to get it together like those people.

That's about it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 07, 2016 07:55 PM (fiGNd)

776 . I don't have to listen to any TV personalities yammering on endlessly about what a raaaaacist Trump is
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:48 PM (rmw+9)

I use my TV only to watch baseball games and old movies.

BTW, keep us posted if you decide to add to your body count by using a bat to off your Hillary loving friend. I still feel sad about buzzion but a Hillary voter, not so much ....

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 07:56 PM (P8951)

777 Sperm build up

Posted by: ThunderB at June 07, 2016 07:56 PM (uEl/R)

778 Unbalanced Humours.
I'll prepare the ice-water enema!

Posted by: zombie 19th century medical scientist at June 07, 2016 07:56 PM (PLnZs)

779 Total prog. Damned spell check.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 07:56 PM (bayZw)

780 Been a while since I looked in here. Waste of time. Too bad Jeb, Christie, Rubio or Cruz didn't win the R nomination; they'd have made very nice and polite concession speechs to Hillary, and gone back home, to enjoy the fat money the uniparty offers.

Anyone of these gentlemen would have upheld the legacy of McCain and Romney, it is a disgrace and embarrassment to pick Trump, when we could have had Paul Ryan.

Oh, well, Hillary will be fine, she's pretty much the same.

Looks like AoS is following in the honourable footsteps of LGF, Balloon Juice, and Redstate. A conservative website, with a liberal viewpoint.

Bye

Posted by: jbarntt56 at June 07, 2016 07:56 PM (qI7fD)

781 Why do we keep getting drive by trolls saying Ace is endorsing Hillary?

Am I missing posts he is making while I am not looking, because that is not what I am reading....

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:58 PM (3ZoRf)

782 Don'tcha love how no matter how badly Trump shits the bed, it's always his critics who are to blame.

Posted by: V the K at June 07, 2016 07:58 PM (uOtyQ)

783 Why do we keep getting drive by trolls saying Ace is endorsing Hillary?

PsyOps.

Posted by: V the K at June 07, 2016 07:59 PM (uOtyQ)

784 Ace will have to get used to being the fat naked Libertarian trying to gain relevance as the last remnant of Cuckservatism.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 07:59 PM (He2Fk)

785 Ooh, a mini-opus.


Posted by: Meremortal at June 07, 2016 07:59 PM (3myMJ)

786 My other real concern is that Trump is going to meet with an unfortunate accident. I don't think the USA is that corrupt yet, I fervently HOPE the USA isn't that corrupt yet, but given what other humans around the world have proven themselves to be capable of, coupled with our - and by "our" I mean everyone from the president on down to thugs who attack people at political rallies -- apparent disregard for the rule of law (which has only really started to smack me upside the head in the last 8 or so years, so apologies to all of you who have known about this longer ....) leads me to the conclusion that in the future, lots of people will just assume room temperature. I hate feeling like this.

Posted by: the other coyote at June 07, 2016 08:00 PM (yK44T)

787 755

That!

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 08:00 PM (RfTF0)

788 Why do we keep getting drive by trolls saying Ace is endorsing Hillary?

Am I missing posts he is making while I am not looking, because that is not what I am reading....

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 07:58 PM (3ZoRf)

Well, Ace seems to assume that since I called Donald Trump a liar I think Hillary is a nice lady.

But yeah, some people cannot bear the thought of anyone not paying enthusiastic obeisance their orange god. It must mean you have a crush on Hillary.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 08:01 PM (Mt8T4)

789 Don'tcha love how no matter how badly Trump shits the bed, it's always his critics who are to blame.
Posted by: V the K at June 07, 2016 07:58 PM (uOtyQ)


I kind of want him to win at this point. His ardent supporters deserve to eat a little shit M. Though, some are good people. They will whine if he loses, but if he wins, he has 4 years to make them look stupid.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:01 PM (bayZw)

790 You just want your own Caudillo. Irony of ironies.
Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 07:53 PM (bayZw)

Yeah, 'cause God knows the Dems, the media and the judiciary would just sit back and let Trump roll all over them.

I can understand why people don't like and don't want to vote for Trump but cut it with the lame, stupid, dishonest "He'll be a FASCIST DICTATOR!!!" horseshit. He would never get away with it - the Dems have and will.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 08:01 PM (P8951)

791 Don'tcha love how no matter how badly Trump shits the bed, it's always his critics who are to blame.
Posted by: V the K at June 07, 2016 07:58 PM (uOtyQ)

Yes, and we are all obligated to vote for him. He, on the other hand, need not show any interest in courting our votes.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 08:02 PM (Mt8T4)

792 Posted by: jbarntt56 at June 07, 2016 07:56 PM (qI7fD)
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 08:02 PM (R5HRU)

793 785 Ooh, a mini-opus.

A mini-opus? I'll prepare the tincture of chromium.

Posted by: Zombie 19th-Century Medical Scientist at June 07, 2016 08:03 PM (7qAYi)

794 Don'tcha love how no matter how badly Trump shits the bed, it's always his critics who are to blame.
Posted by: V the K at June 07, 2016 07:58 PM (uOtyQ)


Yes.

Posted by: Meremortal at June 07, 2016 08:03 PM (3myMJ)

795 I can understand why people don't like and don't want to vote for Trump but cut it with the lame, stupid, dishonest "He'll be a FASCIST DICTATOR!!!" horseshit. He would never get away with it - the Dems have and will.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 08:01 PM (P8951)

He has no appreciation for anything but himself. He's the white Obama.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:03 PM (bayZw)

796 A mini-opus? I'll prepare the tincture of chromium.
Posted by: Zombie 19th-Century Medical Scientist at June 07, 2016 08:03 PM (7qAYi)

Don't reach for that Laudanum! He needs to feel this!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 08:04 PM (3ZoRf)

797 Is the GOPe even smart enough to off a candidate?

A co-worker and I went to see Michael Clayton and laughed our butts off at the thought of our lame corporate security department pulling off anything like that.

Posted by: the other coyote at June 07, 2016 08:04 PM (yK44T)

798 But yeah, some people cannot bear the thought of anyone not paying enthusiastic obeisance their orange god. It must mean you have a crush on Hillary.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 08:01 PM (Mt8T4)


A little mood music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao-Sahfy7Hg

Posted by: Nine Inch Hats at June 07, 2016 08:05 PM (vBeA5)

799 780-Bye.

Posted by: Carol at June 07, 2016 08:05 PM (sj3Ax)

800
PsyOps.
Posted by: V the K


That one-eyed giant?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 07, 2016 08:05 PM (IqV8l)

801 He has no appreciation for anything but himself. He's the white Obama.
Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:03 PM (bayZw)

Like Obama, he plans to summon and threaten private companies who don't do what he wants. By the way, this is the same man who had his own goods manufactured in China.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 08:05 PM (Mt8T4)

802 Sorry if my posts come across as angry and petulant.
I am seething with the fury of a scorned woman at the treasonous antics of the GOPes and the slithering media.

The Snake keeps coming to mind.

Ace, even though I don't agree with you (except for liking Cotton), thank you for letting me vent.

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 08:05 PM (RfTF0)

803 "A mini-opus? I'll prepare the tincture of chromium."

Excellent. Drop the tongs into the sterilization vat while you're back there.

Posted by: Meremortal at June 07, 2016 08:06 PM (3myMJ)

804
791 Don'tcha love how no matter how badly Trump shits the bed, it's always his critics who are to blame.
Posted by: V the K at June 07, 2016 07:58 PM (uOtyQ)

Yes, and we are all obligated to vote for him. He, on the other hand, need not show any interest in courting our votes.
Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 08:02 PM (Mt8T4)




So no different than 2008 and 2012 then.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 07, 2016 08:06 PM (z/Ubi)

805 They will whine if he loses, but if he wins, he has 4 years to make them look stupid.

Actually, it only took... what.. two weeks?

Posted by: V the K at June 07, 2016 08:07 PM (uOtyQ)

806 765
If we had nominated a status quo GOP nominee by vote or if the party now nominates one on its own the eventual outcome is the same, a loss.

Trump is a complete unknown, anything could happen with him as the nominee.
Posted by: Meremortal at June 07, 2016 07:52 PM (3myMJ)


At the beginning of the primary season, my first choices were Scott Walker and Rand Paul. But Trump vaulted to the head of the line pretty quickly, and I've been on board ever since. I have said from the very beginning that he is the only Republican nominee who could possibly win by a landslide.

Having a candidate who would barely squeak by is not good enough. Remember, he has to overcome the margin of fraud, and the Democrat/Media complex.

As a middle middle class white guy, he speaks to me. He's the real-life version of the Rodney Dangerfield characters in "Caddyshack" and "Back to School". I am greatly amused seeing those of refined tastes take to their fainting couches by his antics.

What will he do if elected? Would he be a good President, or a disaster? Hell if I know. As far as I'm concerned, he's a "Hail Mary" pass in the final seconds. Maybe he will shake things up. This country is doomed if we keep to the status quo.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM (sdi6R)

807 Like Obama, he plans to summon and threaten private companies who don't do what he wants. By the way, this is the same man who had his own goods manufactured in China.
Posted by: chique d'afrique, former Republican at June 07, 2016 08:05 PM (Mt8T4)

And for years, I debated progs who threw the "it's only because it's called Obamacare" thing in my face. I thought there were principles...

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM (bayZw)

808 OT:

Rene Ellmers has lost her primary race.

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/740328635437973504

Posted by: The Electoral Hat at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM (vBeA5)

809 FL poll (PPP aka D poll)


Trump +1


Hmmmm

Posted by: artist at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM (TwnkX)

810 Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:03 PM (bayZw)

I repeat: he would never be able to get away with being a dictator. He might have the authoritarian instinct, but he would have the media, Dems and the GOPe opposed to him.

The Dems have the authoritarian instinct and a compliant media covering for them, which is why Obama has a 51 percent approval rating after all these years of shitting on it.

I don't give a shit about how highly Trump regards himself. He'll be kept in check. She won't.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 08:09 PM (P8951)

811 808 OT:

Rene Ellmers has lost her primary race.

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/740328635437973504
Posted by: The Electoral Hat at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM (vBeA5)



Good.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 07, 2016 08:10 PM (z/Ubi)

812 What will he do if elected? Would he be a good President, or a disaster? Hell if I know. As far as I'm concerned, he's a "Hail Mary" pass in the final seconds. Maybe he will shake things up. This country is doomed if we keep to the status quo.
Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM (sdi6R)

He likes big government. Cruz was the moonshot. In a year where the Dems were so weak...

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:10 PM (bayZw)

813 808 OT:

Rene Ellmers has lost her primary race.

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/740328635437973504
Posted by: The Electoral Hat at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM (vBeA5)

Heh.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 08:10 PM (P8951)

814 Trump is a threat to Lindsey Graham's ready supply of illegal alien boys to sexually abuse.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:10 PM (He2Fk)

815 Is there anything in Trump's history to contradict the hypothesis that the only difference between him and Hillary is opportunity to grasp at the levers of power? That he wouldn't tell a ridiculous lie if something went sideways two month before his reelection bid, double down when challenged, order his subordinates to double down, then lash out at anyone with the temerity to call him on his bullshit?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at June 07, 2016 08:11 PM (ktzHq)

816 >>OT:

>>Rene Ellmers has lost her primary race.


And as I said like 2 hours ago, this is what scares the shit out of Republicans. This was the first race where Trump endorsed.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2016 08:11 PM (/tuJf)

817 The Dems have the authoritarian instinct and a compliant media covering for them, which is why Obama has a 51 percent approval rating after all these years of shitting on it.

I don't give a shit about how highly Trump regards himself. He'll be kept in check. She won't.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 08:09 PM (P8951)

So, I get to hear him be a whiny piece of shit?

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:11 PM (bayZw)

818 Posted by: The Electoral Hat at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM (vBeA5)

Fuck yeah.

Smash them.

Posted by: artist at June 07, 2016 08:12 PM (TwnkX)

819 He likes big government. Cruz was the moonshot. In a year where the Dems were so weak...
Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:10 PM (bayZw)

And I voted for Cruz. He didn't win. So I can either sulk and bitch until November or accept that only shitty choices face me. And one is far worse than the other.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 08:13 PM (P8951)

820 Bravo Ace. I'd vote for Tom Cotton in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Zombie Jaimo at June 07, 2016 08:13 PM (eDc0r)

821 768
Wrong.
I lived under a caudillo for 14 years.
Trump is no caudillo.

As a matter of fact, both Hillary and Obama are caudillos wanna be. Very successful, if I may say because the GOP controlled congress refuses to reign them in.
Do you think that this same Congress will have any trouble reigning in Trump? Impeaching him for less than Obama has done or Hillary would do?

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 08:13 PM (RfTF0)

822 "Ace will have to get used to being the fat naked Libertarian trying to gain relevance as the last remnant of Cuckservatism.
Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 07:59 PM (He2Fk)"

Fuck off you alt-right nazi loser.

Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at June 07, 2016 08:14 PM (ztrrs)

823 So, I get to hear him be a whiny piece of shit?
Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:11 PM (bayZw)

You'd rather listen to Cankles for the next 4 years?

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 08:14 PM (P8951)

824 And I voted for Cruz. He didn't win. So I can either sulk and bitch until November or accept that only shitty choices face me. And one is far worse than the other.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 08:13 PM (P8951)

I don't think voicing an opinion is "sulking and bitching", particularly with a prog who's running as the Republican.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:15 PM (bayZw)

825 They put up anyone who didn't get the votes, then I'm out.

I'll write Trump in and not vote for any down ticket Republicans.

Simple as that. Sure you say they run it. Okay. But then my vote doesn't matter one bit does it.

And if it doesn't count then I can vote any way I want to and I choose to vote for the guy that I felt would do the job I want done.

Sure I'd like to make sure that Hillary Clinton doesn't get to be President BUT THAT'S NOT MY DOING IF IT HAPPENS because these folks want to screw with the system because they've done so well in the past.

Well, it's always an uphill climb to get those in power to give up power. That's why there's revolutions and people die because those in power didn't want to give up a little power so they wound up losing all their power and lots of people died.

So be it. I'm not the one that would be causing this so don't anyone start blaming me and others for not taking part in their bullshit.

I don't agree that Trump's a definite loser. You and anyone else can't possibly know that for sure mainly because so many of these polls are fraudulent.

And also Trump may lose because the GOPe would rather lose than see him be elected. That's a bit selfish now isn't it but somehow you all are okay with that?

That we're having this conversation just shows how far from America's ideals we've come and we've done it with our eyes open and willing to follow the lead of those who couldn't run a lemonade stand but who know the "right" people.

Well, we shall see but don't expect Trump supporters to go along with any of this. And if you think that the elite is necessary to get elected, just imagine what losing 70% of the white male vote will do to this election.

Hillary will have a mandate to do anything she wants and she will DO anything she wants.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 08:15 PM (ECJ+C)

826 Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM (sdi6R)

My thinking runs along similar lines, and the Hail Mary analogy is a good one.

Running it up the middle with no blocking is a complete waste of time at this point.

Posted by: Meremortal at June 07, 2016 08:15 PM (3myMJ)

827 Fuck off you alt-right nazi loser.
Posted by: Orange Clown-Shaped Pile of Shit and Garbage at June 07, 2016 08:14 PM (ztrrs)

Or a lib troll posing as one. I still wonder how many of those assholes actually exist and how many are just there to sully the waters.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 08:15 PM (3ZoRf)

828 The GOP are such pussies.

They are the embarrassment, not Trump.


Posted by: Pam at June 07, 2016 08:16 PM (cF0hS)

829 Let's face the real reason this election will be fucked. Its not because of Trump. Its because they are holding the convention in Cleveland. No winners come out of Cleveland.

Posted by: buzzion at June 07, 2016 08:16 PM (z/Ubi)

830 Rene Ellmers has lost her primary race.

The Trump endorsement didn't help I guess.

Also, "Ding Dong, the witch is dead..."

Posted by: V the K at June 07, 2016 08:16 PM (uOtyQ)

831 Ellmers lost!

Excellent!

Good riddance.

Not even Trump could save that slithering snake.


Which Rino is next?

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 08:16 PM (RfTF0)

832 819 He likes big government. Cruz was the moonshot. In a year where the Dems were so weak...
Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:10 PM (bayZw)

And I voted for Cruz. He didn't win. So I can either sulk and bitch until November or accept that only shitty choices face me. And one is far worse than the other.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at June 07, 2016 08:13 PM (P8951)

Good luck getting enough voters to join you in choking down that shit sandwich.

Posted by: thrill at June 07, 2016 08:16 PM (cDdZo)

833 It doesn't matter unless Trump marches around with a dead baby on a bayonet he will be the next president of the United States. The election has always will be about the economy stupid and the economy sucks. Trump will also make the Hildabeast look like a ignorant fool during the debates.

Posted by: jhaley59 at June 07, 2016 08:17 PM (MgIAI)

834 812
Cruz was the moonshot. In a year where the Dems were so weak...
Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:10 PM (bayZw)


I never believed that Cruz had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general. He would not have been able to overcome the Historic First Woman President and the media.

Trump can beat the media like a rented mule, and he is also managing to make PC an issue in the campaign. Both are vitally necessary.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 08:17 PM (sdi6R)

835 Renee Ellmers loss is expected. Redistricted out because she is a Democrat.

Nothing to see here with regards to Trump. In fact she is the worst sort of RINO scum.

Trump probably just wanted to bang her, like McCarthy.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:17 PM (He2Fk)

836 "806 765
If we had nominated a status quo GOP nominee by vote or if the party now nominates one on its own the eventual outcome is the same, a loss.

Trump is a complete unknown, anything could happen with him as the nominee.
Posted by: Meremortal at June 07, 2016 07:52 PM (3myMJ)

At the beginning of the primary season, my first choices were Scott Walker and Rand Paul. But Trump vaulted to the head of the line pretty quickly, and I've been on board ever since. I have said from the very beginning that he is the only Republican nominee who could possibly win by a landslide.

Having a candidate who would barely squeak by is not good enough. Remember, he has to overcome the margin of fraud, and the Democrat/Media complex.

As a middle middle class white guy, he speaks to me. He's the real-life version of the Rodney Dangerfield characters in "Caddyshack" and "Back to School". I am greatly amused seeing those of refined tastes take to their fainting couches by his antics.

What will he do if elected? Would he be a good President, or a disaster? Hell if I know. As far as I'm concerned, he's a "Hail Mary" pass in the final seconds. Maybe he will shake things up. This country is doomed if we keep to the status quo. "

I came to the conclusion he was the only one running who could win during the New Hampshire primary. Will he? No one knows at this point and anyone who claims otherwise is pulling it out of their ass. By their nature Establishment Republicans routinely piss themselves--hence, Trump, so no need to read much into that.

We probably are doomed. It's nice to see people fighting back however late.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 07, 2016 08:18 PM (9EIfi)

837 "Looks like AoS is following in the honourable footsteps of LGF, Balloon Juice, and Redstate. A conservative website, with a liberal viewpoint"


Again - in what way, shape, or form is Trump conservative?

The disgust for the GOP is understandable. The enthusiasm for the New York statist is not.

Posted by: radar at June 07, 2016 08:18 PM (dv34Z)

838 So, we're relying on Congress to reign in a guy who sounds like he's on board to spend a shitload of money?

Im not NeverTrump, but I have no respect for him.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:18 PM (bayZw)

839 Yeah, Trump also can win swing states with disgruntled rust belt voters.

Cruz would have had a much harder time of that.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:18 PM (He2Fk)

840 They put up anyone who didn't get the votes, then I'm out.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 08:15 PM (ECJ+C)


We are a republicn with checks and balances. The avility of less than 300 electors to cancel out the vote of millions is not a bug, but a very intentional feature.

Posted by: The Electoral Hat at June 07, 2016 08:19 PM (vBeA5)

841 >>> Rene Ellmers has lost her primary race.
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/740328635437973504
Posted by: The Electoral Hat at June 07, 2016 08:08 PM
---
Fucking hell yeah. Finally some good news.
Bye bye dumb bitch

Posted by: L, Elle at June 07, 2016 08:20 PM (6IPEM)

842
Or a lib troll posing as one. I still wonder how many of those assholes actually exist and how many are just there to sully the waters.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 08:15 PM (3ZoRf)

Heheh. I though you were referring to Trump.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:20 PM (bayZw)

843 "Rene Ellmers has lost her primary race."

Woohoo!

If I was smart, I'd shut off the computer and go to bed happy.

I'm not smart.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at June 07, 2016 08:21 PM (KF8B+)

844 Yeah, Trump also can win swing states with disgruntled rust belt voters.

Cruz would have had a much harder time of that.
Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:18 PM (He2Fk)

Because they love them some big government.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:21 PM (bayZw)

845 828.

I concur.

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 08:21 PM (RfTF0)

846 Also, just because Kasich could've had more pull in the Rust Belt doesn't mean I'd vote for him. Who's the RINOS, again? As if being the RINOS really matters now.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:23 PM (bayZw)

847 Reince Preibus 2016!

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:23 PM (He2Fk)

848 Please. Trump.is a pussy beyond the alpha act. He whines all of the time. About stupid shit.

Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:24 PM (bayZw)

849 If they decide to do it, I genuinely hope that they're smart enough to choose the right guy. The key is getting someone the elites don't have to be ashamed of but also someone the Plebes trust. No easy feat.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at June 07, 2016 08:25 PM (Rtyzj)

850 thrill, are you a Dem?

If not,Good luck whining like a mewling quim woulda coulda shoulda all the way to November.

Because nobody hand picked by the GOPe has a prayer of winning either.

Posted by: Donna &&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at June 07, 2016 08:25 PM (P8951)

851 Ace is gonna put up a Renee Ellmers Lost thread up soon he says

Posted by: L, Elle at June 07, 2016 08:25 PM (6IPEM)

852 844
How is that different from what we have now?

And Trump hasn't told us that he intends to shred the second amedment and take down our borders, has he?

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 08:26 PM (RfTF0)

853 William F. Buckleyist Fusionism has failed.

The sooner you accept that reality, the faster we can move on to effectively countering the Cultural Marxists.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:27 PM (He2Fk)

854 Interesting, jackass!.....

Now, just who do YOU suggest the GOP throw up against Hillary??? Ryan? McConnell? Jeb? Romney? Cruz? Graham?

You have any OTHER Democrats you wish to name??????

Posted by: Alan O'Connor at June 07, 2016 08:27 PM (V0j3u)

855 Ace, we're on the same page now.

Posted by: derzornmath at June 07, 2016 08:27 PM (2sG6z)

856 835 Renee Ellmers loss is expected. Redistricted out because she is a Democrat. Nothing to see here with regards to Trump. In fact she is the worst sort of RINO scum. Trump probably just wanted to bang her, like McCarthy.
Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:17 PM (He2Fk)

Ding! Ding! Ding! .... and we have found our VP candidate for Trump.

Posted by: thrill at June 07, 2016 08:28 PM (cDdZo)

857 I don't understand why the elites being ashamed of Trump matters when we are about to lose all our freedoms if Hillary is elected.

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 08:29 PM (RfTF0)

858 Funny how this alleged GOPe plan to Stop Trump surfaces immediately after the Kristol/French "principled conservative" plan went down in flames.

Desperate, drowning men, grasping at straws.

Posted by: tsj017 at June 07, 2016 08:30 PM (hbpyt)

859 Na, he's just trash talking and picking fights.


The GOP are the cowards who say and do nothing....frozen with fear, they are dead and just don't know it yet.

Posted by: Pam at June 07, 2016 08:32 PM (cF0hS)

860 Orange Crush"

(Follow me, don't follow me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(Collar me, don't collar me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(We are agents of the free)
I've had my fun and now it's time to serve your conscience overseas
(Over me, not over me)
Coming in fast, over me (oh, oh)

(Follow me, don't follow me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(Collar me, don't collar me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(We are agents of the free)
I've had my fun and now it's time to serve your conscience overseas
(Over me, not over me)
Coming in fast, over me (oh, oh)

High on the booze
In a tent
Paved with blood
Nine inch howl
Brave the night
Chopper comin' in, you hope

We would circle and we'd circle and we'd circle to stop and consider and centered on the pavement stacked up all the trucks jacked up and our wheels in slush and orange crush in pocket and all this here county, hell, any county, it's just like heaven here, and I was remembering and I was just in a different county and all then this whirlybird that I headed for I had my goggles pulled off; I knew it all, I knew every back road and every truck stop

(Follow me, don't follow me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(Collar me, don't collar me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(We are agents of the free)
I've had my fun and now it's time to serve your conscience overseas
(Over me, not over me)
Coming in fast, over me (oh, oh)

High on the booze
In a tent
Paved with blood
Nine inch howl
Brave the night
Chopper comin' in, you hope

High on the booze
In a tent
Paved with blood
Nine inch howl
Brave the night
Chopper comin' in, you hope

(Ah, oh)

Posted by: R.E.M. at June 07, 2016 08:33 PM (X/5o4)

861 Civilization as we know it ends.

Posted by: zombie at June 07, 2016 07:37 PM (jBuUi)



You got that pretty much right, except-

you missed the Apocalypse Hamsters flying upon their Magic Death Waffles -

after arising from one mile beneath the ice of Antarctica.

But, other than that...yeah, pretty dead on.



Posted by: naturalfake at June 07, 2016 08:34 PM (HGtd0)

862 "William F. Buckleyist Fusionism has failed.

The sooner you accept that reality, the faster we can move on to effectively countering the Cultural Marxists."

^Accurate.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at June 07, 2016 08:34 PM (RPsRI)

863 The GOPe will destroy itself if it tries this.

All the leaders are on the other side.

I think the real bosses will make DC back down.

If not then a shooting Civil war will break out with Obama as President. That will do in the GOPe and the Dems.

Because all the leaders are on the other side.

Posted by: I don't think so at June 07, 2016 08:35 PM (CRXed)

864 Amanda Carpenter just called on the delegates to eject trump at the convention.

it does feel as if the Upper Middle Class, Credentialed Class, Capital Class, and Chamber of Commerce are all ginning themselves up to re-assert their Authoritah.
Posted by: ace at June 07, 2016 07:09 PM (dciA+)

I don't what she's doing now, but Carpenter worked for Cruz, and was one of the ones accused in the National Enquirer story of having an affair with Cruz.

She's had to put up with a shitload of abuse from the Trumpreich.

Posted by: stace at June 07, 2016 08:37 PM (ozZau)

865 "Because they love them some big government."

Big Government is starting to Venezuela.
Not looking good for the welfare state.


Posted by: I don't think so at June 07, 2016 08:38 PM (CRXed)

866 Let's see if I've got this right. The fGOP decide to toss their most popular candidate, in the wake of Dem operatives attacking Trump voters with fists, rocks, and bottles. That, sirs, would be spineless groveling surrender.

You can't actually believe that the GOP (Gutless Old Pussies) would bow to political pressure.

Fuck the Republican Party. When they've been called to action, they've retreated to their cellars to masturbate. May they rest in eternal torment.

Posted by: NickieGoomba at June 07, 2016 08:39 PM (ggBc/)

867 One of the things I never got about the anti Trumpists is this accusation that he's going to deal a death blow to conservatism. He's no more a threat to conservatism than he is to a corpse. Conservatism died. He's only possible because it's dead. Yes, there are still people writing at NRO, but, functionally, conservatism is dead. It cannot compete with the totalitarian left as currently constituted.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at June 07, 2016 08:40 PM (RPsRI)

868 Yeah, Trump also can win swing states with disgruntled rust belt voters.

Cruz would have had a much harder time of that.
Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:18 PM (He2Fk)

Because they love them some big government.
Posted by: West Town at June 07, 2016 08:21 PM (bayZw)

Cruz won Iowa while saying he'd get rid of ethanol mandates. Trump said he'd increase the mandate.

That's all I really needed to know about this election right there.

Posted by: stace at June 07, 2016 08:41 PM (ozZau)

869 Hillary is going to play a movie tonite "How a girl became president"?


Is this true?

Really?

Is this the public relations guru and democratic machine that we are afraid of?

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 08:42 PM (RfTF0)

870 Bingo #867

Willam F. Buckleyist Conservative has been defeated by the Neo-Marxists.

The only question you gotta ask yourself is what are you gonna do now to stop the Marxists.

Im jumping on the Nationalism that is currently sweeping Europe. Nationalism is the future of a European Christendom that wants to continue to exist.

Too bad the minorities and all Others chose Anti-European Christian war offered by the Neo-Marxists, but that was their choice.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:44 PM (He2Fk)

871 868

That is how he will try to peel off some of Hillarys base...

I do not expect a perfect candidate.

I just want Hillary defeated.

You all can lobby Congress to impeach Trump later if you hate him so much.

Posted by: Martell at June 07, 2016 08:46 PM (RfTF0)

872 I'm pulling for a It's The End Of The World edition of the overnight thread by Maet tonight.

Posted by: thought at June 07, 2016 08:47 PM (X/5o4)

873 Maybe it's just me, but the petulant capitulation of Democrat Dhimmis to the Scrunt is pissing me off.

Trump MUST win. There is no other option, no other hope. He loses, the Dhimmis who thwarted him will happily join the Scrunt and her Flying Monkeys in their victory dance. But the schadenboners are going to go limp once the Dhimmis realize that they cheered on and ultimately enabled the fulfillment of the SCOAMF agenda to turn America into Uganda. But rest smugly in your principles for now, Dhimmis. Your principles will soon be replaced by chains.

Posted by: Milesdei at June 07, 2016 08:47 PM (q7RPx)

874 If the gope dumps Trump, there will not be an election.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 08:48 PM (MQEz6)

875 *Republican Dhimmis.

Posted by: Milesdei at June 07, 2016 08:49 PM (q7RPx)

876 "Again - in what way, shape, or form is Trump conservative?"

Shut off illegal Mexican immigration.

Don't bring in Muslims whose backgrounds we don't know.

Get rid trade agreements that benefit other countries, to our detriment.

Make our NATO allies pay their fair share as per the treaty.

Quit trying to be the boss of the world, take care of America first.

Seems like a good start, and of course is exactly the opposite of what Hillary has on offer for you.

Posted by: jbarntt56 at June 07, 2016 08:51 PM (qI7fD)

877 874 If the GOPe sidelines Trump.

Maybe Trump and Bernie Supporters will hold a parrallel election.

That would be fun.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:51 PM (He2Fk)

878 You haven't made me mad, Ace, you gave me a chuckle. You're still trying to understand the election and government like it's a functional vehicle. That is so precious.

I have no doubt that the eGOP are working on such a maneuver, and the result will be chaos and violence and that's exactly what the power elites want. Not the DNC, not the GOP, BOTH. This summer is going to be a CF like we've never seen before and it's been carefully orchestrated, so I've no doubt the ends will be as intended.

There is NO way any of this is going to work out.

Posted by: SAHMmy at June 07, 2016 08:54 PM (DaDhj)

879 The Roto-Rooter poll is bullshit.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 08:55 PM (MQEz6)

880 Unhinged.

Posted by: Just A Guy at June 07, 2016 08:56 PM (CGzAz)

881 Ace has no cojones...

Trump 2016

Posted by: Gonzotx at June 07, 2016 08:56 PM (eV1YV)

882 873 Trump MUST win. There is no other option, no other hope. He loses, the Dhimmis who thwarted him will happily join the Scrunt and her Flying Monkeys in their victory dance. But the schadenboners are going to go limp once the Dhimmis realize that they cheered on and ultimately enabled the fulfillment of the SCOAMF agenda to turn America into Uganda. But rest smugly in your principles for now, Dhimmis. Your principles will soon be replaced by chains.

--------------------

Somewhere, in his taxpayer-funded mansion, John Boner is weeping in anticipation.

Posted by: NickieGoomba at June 07, 2016 08:57 PM (ggBc/)

883 I hate to break up the Convention cosplay, but no one is sidelining Trump. This isn't happening. This is a fap fantasy. That's all. And not even a good one. No Mercedes Carrera or Kendra Lust or anyone like that. Just . . . Tom Cotton.

Sad!

Posted by: Anti Antifa at June 07, 2016 08:57 PM (RPsRI)

884 870 Bingo #867

Willam F. Buckleyist Conservative has been defeated by the Neo-Marxists.

The only question you gotta ask yourself is what are you gonna do now to stop the Marxists.

Im jumping on the Nationalism that is currently sweeping Europe. Nationalism is the future of a European
Christendom that wants to continue to exist.
Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 08:44 PM (He2Fk)

Nailed it. Made my choice during 2nd Bush term. There is no more conservatism and Democrats and Republicans.

When everybody signaled it is ok to throw rocks, bottles, and eggs at a lady wearing a Trump shirt, that was the first shot fired. The day American citizens knew war had been declared on them.

There is no hiding or making anymore excuses or name calling with conspiracy therorists.

Shit just got real.



Too bad the minorities and all Others chose Anti-European Christian war offered by the Neo-Marxists, but that was their choice.


Posted by: know thy enemy at June 07, 2016 08:58 PM (X/5o4)

885 Sick and damn tired of GOP establishment who are lying wussies. Thinking about voting Libertarian. Anyone but Hillary but Trump is not serious; otherwise, he would be putting together an organization to hit Hillary HARD AND OFTEN. He isn't. Cotton? Hell yes, I would vote for the guy in a "New York minute" (no pun intended), and Gingrich too. THAT would be an amazing ticket!

Posted by: Lisa Pinneo at June 07, 2016 09:04 PM (nzFsx)

886 I think Trump being the nominee and then losing in November is the best bet for those of us hoping to see a Cruz presidency in 2020. I think if the news really goes Trump's way, he could potentially win in November, but the past few weeks have shown that he has a knack for gleefully stomping on stories that are terrifically good for him (major bad news for Hillary on the investigation of her servers, the Boston Globe story about criminal immigrants being released, and the stunning footage of left-wing fascist mobs bullying his supporters, all within like a week or 2 of each other). Even ignoring a pro-Democrat bias that disproportionately selects for stories that embarrass Republcians, the media has to be loving what Trump drama does for ratings.

Assuming the Republican party is still viable after the next few months, I think Cruz got a lot of name recognition and goodwill out of the the primary, and a Trump loss with the party which, whatever impression the internet drama creates, is (or briefly was) statistically as unified behind him as any other Republican candidate ( http://tinyurl.com/hlxqdk2 ) would let the Trump or Bust die hard supporters (who are probably as statistically marginal as NeverTrump) largely realize he was an electoral loser without any perceived betrayal necessary. I doubt the GOPe would hand pick Cruz, but I think the 2020 Republican primary voters would.

Not that I'd be mad if the party replaced him, but I think there's a lot that can go wrong for the party either way. Would sure suck to replace him and still lose in November.

Posted by: reform highlander at June 07, 2016 09:10 PM (xf3KI)

887 @885

"...Trump is not serious; otherwise, he would be putting together an organization to hit Hillary HARD AND OFTEN. He isn't."

I appreciate the concern about the Trump organization, I share it, but he does seem to have a remarkable ability to hit his opponents hard and often, and get plenty of MSM coverage doing it.

The first election I could and did vote in was 1976, and I've never seen a candidate like him. He may lose, but he won't go down without a fight, unlike several recent R nominees.

He may not be perfect, but he does seem to know how to win.

Posted by: jbarntt56 at June 07, 2016 09:14 PM (qI7fD)

888 @866 Replacing Trump at the convention will guarantee Hillary wins no matter who they replace him with.

Too many voters have hitched to his wagon to have the horse snatched our from under them.

Ace, I thought you were coming around to understand that the only candidate at this time who can beat Hillary is Trump. What was I thinking? Or better yet...what the hell are you thinking?

Posted by: vinnymotto at June 07, 2016 09:16 PM (+0t2Z)

889 Sorry my first response should have been to 886

Posted by: vinnymotto at June 07, 2016 09:20 PM (+0t2Z)

890 Cruz 2020 is wishful thinking. The only reason Cruz got as far as he did in the General was because of Trump taking votes away from the Establishment RINOs

Cruz will lose to Establishment RINO favorite in 2020.

Trump is the last chance to change the direction of the country.

After that I suggest European Nationalism to those who finally accept the reality of the situation.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 09:22 PM (He2Fk)

891 Not General *Primary

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 09:22 PM (He2Fk)

892 So now Ace is against Trump again.

Wow your head just spins doesn't it. One day the #NeverTrumpers are the worst people on earth and the next they were probably right all along.

Any form of consistency of belief is really not one of Ace's strong points. Especially at this point. It's just pure running around screaming panic now as it slowly dawns on him that the whole, burn the whole party down schtick, actually did get traction and the base did exactly that.

Enjoy the ashes. Hillary is going to win this easily and the supreme court will be liberal heavy in the coming years.

Posted by: Teleprompter Trump at June 07, 2016 09:31 PM (UvbjZ)

893 Well there's a long fucking blog post I didn't read.

It's Trump or Hillary.

You like your guns? Sorry, those are gone under Hillary.

You like to speak your mind? Sorry, even talk radio is gone.

Don't believe me? fuck you. it will be too late by the time you believe me.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at June 07, 2016 09:35 PM (kfoLf)

894 The judge issue is winnable with a united front. He is a member of a pro illegal group meaning the appearance of bias exists. He's first generation American and his parents are from where?

Truth is not racism.

Posted by: ken anthony at June 07, 2016 09:38 PM (U5AvY)

895 "Truth is not racism."

Mexican is also not a race. Perhaps someone could explain that to Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Just A Guy at June 07, 2016 09:41 PM (CGzAz)

896 How fucking clueless are the GOPe bigwigs that they think stealing the nomination from Trump will carry them to victory over Clinton? If these mewling faggots would stop grandstanding and calling Trump a "racist" Then this kind of horseshit wouldn't be as effective as it is when ever Republican cuck with a microphone parrots it in an effort to endear themselves to Hispanic assholes who are NEVER going to vote Republican anyway. I love Ace to death, and don't consider him to be an idiot, so don't take this as an attack on you, Ace. The way of the GOP is madness, and we cannot let this party stand as it currently stands. Either we burn it down by voting in Trump, or we burn it down by staying home for every election that includes an establishment asshole hereafter. Don't fucking take our votes for granted any longer, you worthless GOP fuckheads.

Posted by: The Drizzle at June 07, 2016 09:42 PM (Ip9P1)

897 Establishment Cucks live to undermine and subvert Conservative positions and agendas.

That's what their function in Washington is. That's why they are paid handsomely.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 09:46 PM (He2Fk)

898 The ones that are looking like Embarrasing Losers at this point are the GOP elite. They're exposed as total political whores, worse than Neville Chamberlain. The fight against Trump was the only time they stood up for anything and it was only because he threatened their cushy deal. It had nothing to do with "conservatism" (and fuck you, Rich Lowry.)

They spent the last five months nut-shotting Trump, instead of getting behind him. Now they've got nothing and nobody. They could nominate the living Jesus and I don't know if they could win. I fear that unless Trump gets some genuine support from some direction, we're looking at Imperial Emperor Hillary.

In which case, my bug-out bag needs to be dusted off in December.

Posted by: OffendedMan at June 07, 2016 09:54 PM (P/8kS)

899 Isn't it amazing that "our party" would gladly lose an election rather than let an non-establishment outsider win? How smug of a dick head do you have to be to say "Trump is not an intellectual like myself or Bill Kristof, so I must not give him my vote!"? These "intellectuals" at Weekly Standard and such are the very same liberal lite assholes that have been fisting the assholes of conservative voters for decades. If you are going to align yourselves with the fucking kristols, Goldbergs, and Levins of the world then you're going to keep getting shitty candidates. The day weekly standard and national review endorsed gay marriage is the day I started wip8ng my ass on those pieces of shit. Fuck the GOP, go Trump! If that bothers the tender sensibilities of any of you intellectual GOP fellows then I suggest eating a shotgun.

Posted by: The Drizzle at June 07, 2016 09:54 PM (Ip9P1)

900 Trump is the last chance to change the direction of the country.



After that I suggest European Nationalism to those who finally accept the reality of the situation.

Posted by: Escape Velocity at June 07, 2016 09:22 PM (He2Fk)

I doubt it. I think the Republican party destroyed what competitive advantages it had for November (which may not have been enough to win to begin with) in the primary. I still think Trump could win in November, I still think a RNC-selected replacement candidate could win, and I still think either option is more than likely to lose. The data showed other primary candidates far more competitive against Hillary in the general, but that's the sort of thing that could easily change with months of oppo dumps, debates, speeches, and whether the events of the news (things like terrorism or political scandals) favor Republicans, and it's the same for Trump. But the data has been pretty reliable the last few elections, and the data we've had so far suggests Trump is probably a loser.
I think it's possible conservatism is already dead and we just have to wait a few more terms to see it, but I also think it's possible that we're just seeing a lesser echo of the baby boom, and things that aren't a direct result of stuff like evolving technology that will likely stick with us will mostly right themselves over the next decade or so. I'm not a natural optimist, but I do know that from experience that the public have bad memories, and they'll eventually forget about unpopular Republican presidents and lose patience with status quo Democrat presidents, and new voters with little memory of history are cranked out every year.I don't know how a Trump presidency will go, but I think it's certainly possible (though by no means predestined) that he does more to destroy a future for conservatism than Hillary does. I couldn't give you odds either way, because we're all just making guesses about the future that depends on a lot of knowledge that doesn't even exist yet. As someone who thought seriously about moving to a different country after the 2012 election, I've since come to recognize that all this is is fantasies and melodrama. We may look at facts, but with regard to the future we ultimately go by our gut instincts, and I trust mine more than yours. Mine tell me Trump is bad news for conservatism's future, though they also tell me that for 2016, the damage is probably already done.

Posted by: reform highlander at June 07, 2016 09:56 PM (xf3KI)

901 Entertaining thought, but I'm skeptical. Trump would have to crater in the polls before the convention so badly that even the Trump supporters would acknowledge he was probably toast. Even then, trying to parachute in Ryan would be a disaster. They could change the rules to let the delegates decide, but ditching Trump for someone else that didn't run at all would be ugly. I could see them drafting Cruz in this VERY unlikely scenario if only to ward off a catastrophic loss and with the party leaders thinking he'd lose and be eliminated from 2020 as a result.

Posted by: Jill v2 at June 07, 2016 10:02 PM (73TVV)

902 PUMA didn't matter, Obama won the primary and general elections without them.

NeverTrump doesn't matter, Trump won the primary without them and consolidated Republican voters on par with any previous Republican nominee (in fact, slightly more than any Republican candidate save Romney): http://tinyurl.com/hlxqdk2

TrumpOrBurnDownTheGOP almost certainly won't matter electorally either.

Those of us who are very opinionated about this sort of thing statistically don't matter all that much, especially when it comes to presidential elections where the great, religiously indifferent masses who've been tuned out the last 3 years start checking in and paying attention again. I don't even mean this necessarily in an elitist way, I've worked in an environment full of high-earning STEM geniuses, who were almost universally low info voters.

Posted by: reform highlander at June 07, 2016 10:15 PM (xf3KI)

903 Mattis/Rowe 2016

Posted by: bunnyfluff the destroyer at June 07, 2016 10:33 PM (EIgDF)

904 Alcohol

Posted by: Unclezeb at June 07, 2016 10:35 PM (TElEC)

905 All you need to know: The GOPe fights harder and with more passion and intensity against Trump and Cruz than they do against Democrats. I'm with D Day, Otter, and Bluto on the Deathmobile emblazoned with Eat Me GOP. Ramming Speed!

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 07, 2016 10:35 PM (JO9+V)

906 Ace,

You and Scott Adams are the last two sane men on the Internet. Congrats. I'm wondering, does it feel like being the last survivor of the Zombie Apocalypse?

Posted by: ZonToro at June 07, 2016 10:36 PM (82s/V)

907 Ace - love your site (been reading since 07) and deeply respect the courage it has taken over the last few days to point out the intellectual fallacy of the twitter brigades when many of those individuals are in your social and professional circle. That is not easy, I've been there - hats off to you.

I do think that much like you're "OMG - Trump had a disastrous debate, gamechanger!!" and "Trump is going to lose by a 49 state landslide!!!" predictions - you're convention scenario and election analysis could use some additional perspective.

FWIW -I've been involved in GOP politics my whole life - fundraising, working on state and national campaigns including presidential. I will be attending the convention in Cleveland. That doesn't make me any more clairvoyant than anyone else but I'm also not really part of the keyboard commando brigade either.

Look - the opinions of the same 50-100 bitter people on twitter, pompously retweeting each other, mean about as much as they did in the primary - very little. They definitely do not "run this shit" and they are nowhere near 25% of GOP voters, not even close. Looking at recent polls, Trump is getting between 74-84% of GOP voters. That is on par with Romney. #NeverTrump is a small percent of a percent with a self-belief in their own thought leadership and moral supremacy far outweighed by any real on the ground influence.

The elected leaders trying to shame Trump is a different story, they carry weight and some influence but they don't have the voters to back them up - Paul Ryan was not elected by the voters to be Speaker - Trump won more votes than any other nominee in GOP history to be the nominee. As Trump demonstrated in his speech tonight, he can outflank and go over their heads directly to the voters at will. Their may be plots in the offing (they never stopped since he announced) but they are squarely on the wrong side of the voters here. Let's be conservative on the number and say 70% of GOP voters currently back Trump - you are going to go to war with the 30% with that brain trust leading the charge? Good luck.

If they try it, let me tell you what will happen - a figurative political massacre and not of Trump. At a convention, most rules and votes are carried by simple majority - other than the nomination, the 1237 number does not apply. After Trump has 1400 something pledged delegates tonight, do you want to gamble that he can't get 701 to back him on rule changes? Let me tell you what else can happen at a convention - just about anything the delegates feel like voting on. That includes platform, the ability to remove national party figures, the ability to censure party members, play games with funding - its all potentially on the table.

You want to go scorched earth? You better pray Trump can't command a simple majority of delegates with immense pressure on them as the primary voters see the party try to steal the nomination in plain sight. The NeverTrump and Mark Kirk wing of the party may find out what being "out of power" really feels like.

I respect you immensely Ace but trying to overrule the voters at the convention is a path I and many others will not tread.

Posted by: CastleP at June 07, 2016 10:44 PM (7+oeE)

908 Ace, do you really think you are fooling anyone?

Your readers saw you go full GOPe mercenary during the primary. Was it the Ted Cruz super PAC money? Some of your readers want to ingratiate themselves to you, so they won't say anything. But unlike you, I don't give a shit about the Smart Set.

You do understand that they are using you and your blog, right? The folks you want to fit in with don't give a shit about you. And you're not one of them. You'll never be - no matter how clever you are. They are just using you. The Smart Set GOPe is destroying this country and these too-cute-by-half-laying-the-groundwork-messaging posts is just enabling them.

So, either they are paying you really well or you are a very timid little man. All of your biting rhetoric about the Establishment is hot garbage. When you are actually called upon to make a stand and call shenanigans, you fold time and again. Fucking mercenary or just weak-minded.

I know you don't really care, but you should. And you should know that you're not fooling anyone.

Posted by: Zodiac Killer at June 07, 2016 10:51 PM (kwHPo)

909 Cotton + one heartbeat = my vote

But...will never happen.

Posted by: Lawrence Larson at June 07, 2016 10:51 PM (gNKbf)

910 @908

Yeah, I've been following this site for years. Ace's comments are not coming from some sort of financial incentive. If you want to criticize his arguments, have at it...I did to an extent. But I really think implying he is a paid mercenary is baseless crap.

If anything, he's been going heavily against the grain of his own social/professional circle (overwhelmingly anti-Trump) over the last few days and catching hell for it.

I witnessed the turn to all anti-Trump all the time in the primary as well but ascribed that Ace believing his guy (Cruz) had a real shot and the internecine warfare between Cruz and Trump - nothing to do with financial arrangements. I don't always agree with him but he is a critical thinker and I appreciate that.

Posted by: CastleP at June 07, 2016 11:36 PM (7+oeE)

911 When Trump "inexplicably" attacked NM Gov. Martinez I took it as a sign that he was aware a cabal was organizing to throw him over. Good job summarizing the situation, Ace. Too bad old Mattis took himself out of contention.

Posted by: Bill Befort at June 07, 2016 11:55 PM (awbcm)

912 Damn, I once thought you had balls and sense, Ace.

Posted by: gail at June 08, 2016 12:01 AM (0CBfo)

913 He's way too smart to post this drivel. I would love to believe that money isn't what compels him to carry Establishment water, but something is off with him. Ben Shapiro sold out for money. Erick Erickson . . . same. Allahpundit . . . shill for some Republican officeholder or paid with sweet super PAC money. Mark Levin . . . paid off. Rush Limbaugh tries not to offend, so he goes parseltongue to keep his audience. It's all a show.

This election season has opened many eyes to the complete charade that is Conservative Punditry. With few exceptions, it's pretty much all a con.

Ace's positions don't make any sense. He rails against the Establishment when they are safe and sound. But when the Establishment is actually in jeopardy, he uses his blog to move conservative opinion to a more advantageous position.

It's pysops bullshit. Today, of all days, he rolls out a long post about the Establishment maneuver to steal the nomination from Trump. Same day that Paul Ryan and other RINOs cut ads for Hillary.

Notice he really doesn't object to the steal - he's just pointing it out, of course. But he wouldn't mind if someone else was dropped in. Yeah, right. Ace is manipulating his readers.

Now maybe it's not for money, but hard to rule that out with so many sellouts. At the very least, he has a weakness for keeping in the good graces of the Smart Set.

All to lay the

Posted by: Zodiac Killer at June 08, 2016 12:02 AM (kwHPo)

914 Has it ever occurred to some of you Nancies that what we've become, what we've let happen to our country is so foul it actually takes a ruffian to say it boldly? Try getting an eloquent, graceful candidate to say the ugly truths about what happened to us the last 60 years.

Posted by: gail at June 08, 2016 12:05 AM (0CBfo)

915 Remember when Trump was talking about "rigged systems" and "denying the people a voice" when CO, SD and WY were holding their exclusionary assemblies? He gained a lot of traction out of that; it helped him a lot heading into his home state of NY, which started his big winning streak to close out the primaries.

But there was more to it than that. He was also putting the GOP on notice for the convention.

What do you think happens if the GOP denies the nomination to a guy who won it fair and square by actually running against the entire party apparatus? A guy who brought in record vote numbers, and tons of new party members, all while railing against a "rigged system"?

Do you really see Trump supporters responding to this scenario of the GOP outright stealing the nomination and giving it to someone else by just hanging their heads, getting meekly back in line and supporting the GOP's new hand-picked nominee, and voting for the GOP down-ticket?

Of course they won't. They'll respond by doing the one thing left to them, using their general election votes strategically to destroy the Republican Party.

If Trump is not the GOP nominee in the end, that's exactly what I intend to do. I'll write him in on Election Day for President, and then I'll vote against the GOP in every down-ticket race. And I'm far from alone in this; if there's an R after your name on the ballot, you won't be able to get elected to dog-catcher unless Trump is the GOP's presidential nominee.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at June 08, 2016 12:20 AM (0OG8D)

916 I despise Trump probably even more than Ace does, and I'm not even sure Pres. Trump would be less of a disaster than Hillary, BUT ...

With the overwhelming delegate majority Trump will have after tonight, there's no way enough of them are anti-Trumpers to nominate somebody else - not to mention other candidates' delegates voting against such a suicidal rule change. A rules-change to deny Trump the nomination only had a chance if he
limped into the convention with barely a majority of the delegates.

One of the depressing things about Trump's rise is that now even some non-Trumptards are embracing hidden hand conspiracy theories. In today's version of the Illuminati pulling strings behind the scenes, now there are the Learned Elders of the GOPe with secret power to bribe or strongarm countless Trump-groupy delegates into nominating somebody else.

Posted by: gensec at June 08, 2016 12:33 AM (O+6LQ)

917 913
He's way too smart to post this drivel. I would love to believe that
money isn't what compels him to carry Establishment water, but something
is off with him. Ben Shapiro sold out for money. Erick Erickson . . .
same. Allahpundit . . . shill for some Republican officeholder or paid
with sweet super PAC money. Mark Levin . . . paid off.


What was I saying about conspiracy theories of the Learned Elders of the GOPe?

Posted by: gensec at June 08, 2016 12:38 AM (O+6LQ)

918 @916
Great post, completely agree on the convention. I'm not saying a faction won't try it, I am saying they may not be able to control events once they unleash that particular Kraken.

The Romney/Rockefeller wing of the party tried something like this in 64 - it was messy but Goldwater's forces routed them. If tried, it will look like that on steroids.

Posted by: CastleP at June 08, 2016 01:01 AM (7+oeE)

919 Pretty simple: they take the nomination from Trump, I and about 15 million others who have never voted Dem, will go and vote Dem - up and down the ticket, then grab our guns and determine the best way to exterminate the GOP establishment and all those who have supported them. If doing it at the ballot box doesn't work, then it will have to be by more extreme measures.

Posted by: doug at June 08, 2016 01:28 AM (Y7fRE)

920 "Let me explain my entire political raison d'etre:

BEAT HILLARY CLINTON."

THE HELL WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS! WE'RE GONNA FREE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU IRAQ UMM I MEAN AMERICA!

Posted by: Moron Labia at June 08, 2016 01:38 AM (P6LxG)

921 [url="http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86post=363918#c25343846"]@918[/url]
I'm not saying a faction won't try it, I am saying they may not be able to control events once they unleash that particular Kraken. The Romney/Rockefeller wing of the party tried something like this in 64

I'm old enough to remember the 1964 convention fight, but only enough to mainly remember I was for AuH2O because my parents were. My recollection is that there was nothing underhanded or Kraken (unless underhanded is defined as opposing Barry). After Rocky dropped out, his pal Sen. Scranton got nominated according to the rules, and lost on the first ballot according to the rules, then it was over.

If any fools try to run against Trump in the convention, like 64 it will be the rules, and they will get their butts kicked on the first ballot by the rules. But unlike 1964, I don't think anybody will challenge Trump on the first ballot.

Posted by: gensec at June 08, 2016 02:28 AM (O+6LQ)

922 "If Trump is not the GOP nominee in the end, that's exactly what I intend to do. I'll write him in on Election Day for President, and then I'll vote against the GOP in every down-ticket race. And I'm far from alone in this; if there's an R after your name on the ballot, you won't be able to get elected to dog-catcher unless Trump is the GOP's presidential nominee.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at June 08, 2016 12:20 AM (0OG8D)"

Great post, and I'm right with you. I would recommend voting Libertarian though. I'm not sure of the rules, but I think if the Libertarians hit 5%, they'll get Federal benefits (oh, the irony!) That will hurt the GOP in the future, by dividing the vote of the American Right.

If they steal the Nom, it's not time to punish them: It's time to finish them.

That being said, it won't come to that, the GOPe will see from their internal polling what we'lol do, and will surrender to us, just as easy as they do to the democrats. In this case their cowardice works to our favor.

#AlwaysTrump

Posted by: trickamsterdam at June 08, 2016 02:30 AM (Qd6CS)

923 will go and vote Dem - up and down the ticket, then grab our guns and determine the best way to exterminate the GOP establishment and all those who have supported them. If doing it at the ballot box doesn't work, then it will have to be by more extreme measures.

The fact that people like this guy are part of Trump's core constituency (and Donald embraces them) is the main thing that makes me think that America might be less screwed with a President Hillary (but still seriously scrood).

Posted by: gensec at June 08, 2016 02:35 AM (O+6LQ)

924 I keep thinking there is some plan here just like I keep thinking Trump has finally gone and shot himself in the foot. Nope and nope.

Hillary is turning into an Albatross for the dems. The homeless guys huffing listerine outside the local 7-11 most days could beat Hillary.

Posted by: bestie21 at June 08, 2016 05:03 AM (HUeC4)

925 Overturning the results of free and fair elections in the United States of America?

You're a despicable traitor

Posted by: Rick Perrys Parakeet at June 08, 2016 05:16 AM (rPXL7)

926 "Trump is a likely loser."
Only pussies give up this early.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at June 08, 2016 05:58 AM (A/saJ)

927 You really are a paid shill, aren't you?
Do Rick Perry and Ted Cruz tip you extra when you warm the towels in the cabana?

Posted by: unknown jane at June 08, 2016 06:58 AM (GFSi1)

928 I keep trying to support Trump, but time and time again, it becomes too obvious that the man is just too stupid. The whole thing with the judge is just the latest example. At this time, of all times, in the whole process, Trump can't stop himself from making some irrlevant court case The Issue. Instead of pounding away at Hillary, he's more concerned about his dumbass university court case making us all talk about something other than Hillary.

Posted by: Niveaxe at June 08, 2016 07:05 AM (M/G2t)

929 Overturning the results of free and fair elections in the United States of America?

You're a despicable traitor
Posted by: Rick Perrys Parakeet at June 08, 2016 05:16 AM (rPXL7)

It's a primary, not the actual election

Posted by: West Town at June 08, 2016 08:30 AM (tza6L)

930 What if the delegates got to vote for the candidate of their choice and chose Trump? Would you finally accept that as the will of the voters/party or would you still be whining about it? heh.

Posted by: Cynthea Sabolich at June 08, 2016 09:04 AM (UBuPn)

931 Ace.

Grip. Acquire.

Boot Trump and you might as well personally escort Hillary into the Oval Office.

Posted by: djolds1 at June 08, 2016 09:04 AM (VOX29)

932 Anybody but Hillary. We can't afford Hillary Clinton as President of the United States. That means we're going to be in a street fight for the country and Republicans aren't good at street fights, Trump is.

Hopefully, the establishment will take a step back and realize they need Paladin to come in and do some serious fighting for them.

Posted by: bflat879 at June 08, 2016 09:10 AM (BOcoX)

933 Hey, Trump may be an erratic, lifelong liberal narcissist cum fascist racist, but he's our erratic lifelong liberal narcissist cum fascist.

But seriously. Saying that getting rid of Trump would be a monstrosity is asinine in light of the RNC's establishing rules to ensure that none of the nutty teabaggers like Cruz or Rubio or even a mostly conservative outsider like Walker could stand a chance. The real corruption occurred three years ago when they rejiggered the rules to prevent Republican voters from taking over the election. We're just triaging the gravely wounded now.

Posted by: Joe Blow at June 08, 2016 09:12 AM (I+4FK)

934 If Ace is correct then Hillary is a shoe-in for 2016 and the GOP as a Party is dead.

Not the worst thing that could happen. The Whig Party, Co-Enforcer of the Slave Policy Gridlock, died in 1856 and the Republican Party came to power four years later. Ten years after 1856 the Gridlock of the Antebellum Period was shattered. Decisively.

Like Bill Kristol, Ace may be willing to vote for a ringer, but the Conservative Base and the Trump Voters outside the Conservative Base will not. Ace may have failed to notice that the vast degree of disgust with the institutional GOP is because the eGOP are a bunch of traitors who never, ever keep their word and never, ever deliver anything. Well, except to the doner class Liberals Lite who write their checks. A blatant steal such as Ace is promoting here would only confirm that judgment.

The GOP as a Party will be Deader Than Disco.

But if that's what it takes to create a National Populist Party, bring on Whig Party 2.0. A shame that Ace, Kristol and Co. will be locked out of it, but traitors earn their fates, and I'm sure the Dems will be welcoming.

Posted by: djolds1 at June 08, 2016 09:21 AM (VOX29)

935 Sounds like the GOP's goose is cooked no matter what they do or don't do.

If Trump is nominated, he'll lose.
If Trump is replaced, the replacement will lose.

Say hello to President Hillary everybody!

Posted by: ContrarianLibertarian at June 08, 2016 09:31 AM (h7ucE)

936 So all the same pussies who said the same things about him during the primaries are saying the same shit and you all of "sudden" are with them? If it wasn't for delusional people like yourself this thing will shake out fine in November but alas the nuts are running the asylum and think they can take over the guard.

Posted by: JadedByPolitics at June 08, 2016 09:31 AM (jSlyo)

937 djolds1 wrote "Boot Trump and you might as well personally escort Hillary into the Oval Office."

True. But it's not as if Trump has a realistic chance of winning, either.

The GOP is a huge dumpster fire right now. There's plenty of blame to go around for that. But I'd start with all of those Republicans who were deadset on shoving amnesty down the country's throat.

Posted by: ContrarianLibertarian at June 08, 2016 09:34 AM (h7ucE)

938 Tom Cotton is my guy, him him him get him in there for the love of Jehovah.

Nobody besides us wonks know who the fuck he is, but he could TOTALLY beat Hitlery, just like all of the other 16 or 17 other dudes who got their asses kicked by TRUMP THAT FUCKNUGGET ARRRRRRRGH.

We've got do this, people, because we want to beat Hitlery and Trump is slipping in the polls, and as we all know, no poll is ever a dishonest piece of shit put up by leftists and milquetoasts, polls NEVER LIE.

Posted by: Doppelganger Ace at June 08, 2016 09:38 AM (uzNN5)

939 Lots of opinion about Trump from someone with no understanding of Trump ... useless and ignorant ...

Posted by: Kaiser Derden at June 08, 2016 09:38 AM (nzUQj)

940 @933 Joe Blow - you've noticed one of the defining differences between the Left and the Right.

No enemies to the Left. Al Sharpton leads an antisemetic pogrom in Crown Heights in 1991, and still he sits in places of honor on the Left. But the Right has been a movement defined by purges ever since William F. Buckley purged the Birchers back in '60 or so.

The Left can whistle up bully boys and "protesters" on an hour's notice. But strangely, I never see "protesters" showing up when Jonah Goldberg and the National Review crowd get exercised. Gofigure.

Time for the Right to stop purging the objectionable. They have uses.

Posted by: djolds1 at June 08, 2016 09:40 AM (VOX29)

941 If any President presides over "amnesty" (read: erasing the borders) its all over anyway.

Posted by: Ohnoes at June 08, 2016 09:42 AM (5qfEo)

942 I anxiously await the death of the GOP. Like Krypton, "THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE! "

Posted by: Lemonjello Hogleg at June 08, 2016 09:59 AM (WeE4S)

943 @937 Contrarian Libertarian: True. But it's not as if Trump has a realistic chance of winning, either.

Maybe. The GOP as it exists today is at a massive demographic disadvantage. Read up on "The Coming Democratic Majority" thesis - the math for that works. The Electoral Math Forces GOP POTUS candidates to run the tables at a very specific sequence of states, and the eye of the needle the candidate needs to jump through in each of those states gets smaller and smaller with every cycle.

Trump offers a new possibility - break off some of the Rust Belt Dem states, and bring them over to the GOP coalition. The Dems have essentially written off and disposed of their ethnic white voters, but ironically still need the states those voters dominate to win. Add some of the Great Lakes Rust Belt states to the GOP coalition and the Electoral Math (if not an absolute majority of the popular vote) becomes much easier.

The alternative beyond that is to simply give up and embrace identity politics. The GOP is largely "the white party" - the Talking Heads on cable news love to talk about how this means the end of the GOP. But if whites give up on being "American" rather than just another racial tribe, if they join the game everyone else is already playing by (re)forming their own identity tribe (which has been tacitly verboten since the Civil Rights Era), everything shifts. Conservatives/ whites would no longer bother to try to get new immigrants to assimilate to a proposition "American" identity. Whites + any one other ethnic group wins in an election. If elections cease to matter, whites win period as the largest cohesive group. This is precisely where the logic of Democratic Party policies is pushing, tho the Dems assume whites are forever banned from forming their own tribe, while all other races are of course tribal and of course forever loyal to the Democrat Party.

And the Dems are having major problems juggling patronage for both Blacks and Hispanics in their urban machines - there isn't enough boodle to go around. Meanwhile, East Asians are starting to be discriminated against on the campuses and in high power jobs. So getting any one Dem identity faction to break off and form a coalition with the white tribe shouldn't be too hard at any given time.

Posted by: djolds1 at June 08, 2016 10:02 AM (VOX29)

944 It's difficult to take a blog post serious when, right out of the box, you cite a bogus poll. You've been around long enough to know to check the underlying data in every poll. In this case, Demonrats were way over-sampled, and Indepemdents were grossly under sampled (a demographic which Trump is dominating). Therefore, I must assume that you are dishonest, basing your blog post on an obvious false "fact."

Posted by: Rick at June 08, 2016 10:06 AM (zhvEJ)

945 They're not going to do anything of the sort. Trump will be the GOP nominee.

This is exactly the same nonsense we had leading up to the primaries, where every week the nervous nellies get the vapors and wrap themselves in a white flag.

At one point I'd have been open to the sort of primary fail-safe Ace describes but now it's clear that the establishment drones running the GOP are no more able to win the general than they were the primary. They really do not care about winning the Presidency. The whole election is just a Failure Theater miniseries to them.

Posted by: GalosGann at June 08, 2016 10:21 AM (T3KlW)

946 I'm not pissed off at your post at all. BEAT HILLARY or lose both the fucking SUPREME COURT and maybe the CONGRESS too.

Posted by: Bully at June 08, 2016 10:32 AM (6NjvM)

947 You used to be pretty good. Looks like your GOP check cleared...

Posted by: Charlie at June 08, 2016 11:44 AM (5YhB7)

948 Two things:

1) Trump just endorsed an Ex-Im Bank Amnesty-loving US Chamber of Congress Establishment candidate.

2) The last time I heard from Cotton he said he didn't mind becoming Trump's VP.

Posted by: Irene at June 08, 2016 12:04 PM (QEjSs)

949 Another article of ACE joining the media's overreaction to Trump, but trying to sound smarter and more nuanced because he's just a simple blogger and don't blame him!! HAHAHA keep whining and let's see how you write about when Trump wins the white house.

Posted by: allen at June 08, 2016 12:07 PM (I96aN)

950 Well, and interesting theory. And from all the recent screaming and yelling, a real possibility.
Yes, it would be the end of the Republican Party. However, once it happened, there would be no Republican that could beat Hillary. No Trust, No Votes.
Once Hillary is elected, it's just a matter of time before the impeachment word starts getting thrown around.
Soon after her election, the unthinkable starts to be thought about.

Robes Pierre, in American form, cannot be far behind.

The Liberals will gain what they wanted. However, it may not end like they have imagined. The Socialist Utopian dreams never do. They always end with a mountain of skulls.

Posted by: Damion Blackthorn at June 08, 2016 12:10 PM (e4j2q)

951 > Now you may say "But that's extreme; they'd destroy the party."

Look at it from the GOP leadership's perspective: Trump will destroy the party, so they need to destroy the party before Trump destroys it.

That makes perfect sense to the GOPe.

Posted by: Reformed Trombonist at June 08, 2016 02:27 PM (SlABZ)

952 > ...I would strongly suggest they do so with a man whose credentials among the ideological conservative right and the anti-amnesty right, and not one of their preferred effeminate RINOs.

Dude. Seriously? The GOP literally holds the patent on preferred effeminate RINOs. They get a royalty check each time they stamp one out on the assembly line.

Posted by: Reformed Trombonist at June 08, 2016 02:43 PM (SlABZ)

953 "I pray these overproud do-nothing non-elites-but-think-they're-elites aren't throwing an election to Hillary Clinton for no reason other than their bourgeois sense of pride."
No Ace. These useless, gutless, anti-American pieces crap need to be removed from all reigns of power, and done so in such an embarrassing damaging way, they will never rise again. They have no problem with Hillary.
Trump was not my first pick, but out of the 17 I believe he is the 'most electable' compared to 'mama Mao'. We have to start somewhere...

Posted by: TheFoundersParty at June 08, 2016 05:52 PM (QAVtQ)

954 We always "hope" for the GOP to do the right thing and they never do. They don't have the balls to oust Trump, just like they don't have the balls to actually be conservative.

Posted by: CJ at June 08, 2016 09:14 PM (ESDbp)

955 935 Sounds like the GOP's goose is cooked no matter what they do or don't do.

If Trump is nominated, he'll lose.
If Trump is replaced, the replacement will lose.

Say hello to President Hillary everybody!

Posted by: ContrarianLibertarian at June 08, 2016 09:31 AM (h7ucE)

Exactly. Plus, I find it quite ironic how the Trumpanzees are claiming that they'll vote for Cankles if the GOP pulls this off. I thought beating her is more important than breathing and we must support the nominee and if you disagree you like to sniff man taint. Well, that's what most of their reasoning sounds like to me, at least.

Posted by: if you think this is going to end well, you haven't been paying attention at June 08, 2016 11:13 PM (WoIUU)

956 Scott Walker.

Posted by: lhf at June 09, 2016 07:39 AM (zvpaX)

957 I think Trump will be the nominee and I think he'll win.

This is all just political theater made to keep the masses in a perpetual state of upset.

The GOP establishment is stupid and getting stupider every day.

I hate Paul Ryan and his minions.

Trump is not my ideal candidate but I wonder what would happen if all of us would get behind him. Maybe it's time to start thinking about that.

Posted by: SRM at June 10, 2016 06:25 AM (WD6to)

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