Sunday Morning Book Thread 05-15-2016: Involuntary Servitude [OregonMuse]


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Rizzoli Bookstore, NYC

Unfortunately, this beautiful bookstore is no more.


Good morning to all of you morons and moronettes and bartenders everywhere and all the ships at sea. Welcome to AoSHQ's stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, where men are men, space isn't safe, and snowflakes will melt. The Sunday Morning Book Thread is the only AoSHQ thread that is so hoity-toity, pants are required. And if you self-identify as a daisy, your petals must be modest and demure.


Forcing 16-year old boys to read Jane Austen is a hate crime.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 08, 2016 12:52 PM (bQxkN)

A Modest Proposal

Building on Ignoramus' trenchant observation, how many 16-year old boys are going to understand that Pride and Prejudice is not so much a "love story", but rather pokes fun at Victorian Regency-era British courtship mores and customs. The 16-year old response to the first is "who cares?" and the second, "who cares?" As in, who cares if Elizabeth Bennet ever gets together with Mr. Darcy?

Ignoramus had actually started out his comment by asking:

What is the right age to give a young male a copy of Flashman? I gave mine to my kid brother when he was 16 and then he read all of them.

Most of my knowledge of 19th century British history comes from Flashman novels.

And voila, the solution presents itself. Give the class a choice of books, either Pride and Prejudice, or one of the Flashman books. You might get some girls crossing over to read Flashman, but I doubt that you'd get any going the other way. Not even a transgendered teenaged boy in a bikini.


Game of Thrones Made Easy

Last week, moronette Anna Puma provided a link to GoT character arc generator. All you have to do is randomly choose an item from each of 3 columns, and, hey presto, you've got yourself the basis for a new GoT sequel.

Now some nerd needs to implement this chart using javascript or Python.

You Will Be Made To Care


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We say that a lot on this blog, and with good reason. There's no longer any such thing as neutrality, at least as far as the culture wars are concerned. You may not be particularly interested in LGBTBBQXYZ rights, but LGBTBBQXYZ rights are interested in you.

It's now the title of a book: You Will Be Made to Care: The War on Faith, Family, and Your Freedom to Believe by Erick Erickson and Bill Blankschaen. Many people in this country have already been made to care:

The book features first-hand accounts from Christians who've been punished for their beliefs and the perspectives of concerned thought leaders to make the case that Americans of faith can't afford to ignore what's happening -- not anymore.

You Will Be Made to Care offers hope for preserving freedom of conscience with practical steps that believers, families, pastors, church leaders, and citizens can take to resist tyranny and experience a resurgence of faith in America.

Well, I think the jury's still out on that whole "resurgence of faith" thing, at least as far as the United States goes, but it sounds like there are some ideas here you can use to stave of the assaults of the crybullies.

By the way, if you're under the impression there's some hope for this in the Libertarian Party, well, I wouldn't count on it:

The moderator, John Stossel, then asked whether Jews should have to bake a Nazi wedding cake and Johnson replied, “That’s my contention, yes.” He then went on to cite the silliest slippery slope argument I have ever heard—and I’ve heard some silly ones. He actually said that a private utility company might decide to shut off someone’s electricity for religious reasons.

Is this really a problem? No really; has this ever happened in the history of the universe? Where do they get these ridiculous scenarios?

Stossel waved this off with a generic "you know, libertarians disagree on stuff" observation, and studiously ignored the obvious: that Johnson's stated policy preference was not merely some minor difference in libertarian philosophy, but rather a wholesale abandonment of pretty much everything libertarians claim to stand for.

Fortunately, there were other libertarians in the debate who aren't raging statists on this issue like Johnson. But even so, you'd think the Libertarian Party would be up front and center, loudly and insistently defending Christian florists and bakers against the most blatant violations of the 13th Amendment in recent history. But they've collectively been AWOL since the beginning. It's no wonder we're losing so badly on this issue: all we have are lukewarm supporters and uncertain trumpets. And "libertarians" like Gary Johnson who have, in effect, sided with the enemy.

I'm waiting somebody else should write a sequel and title it "You're Not Applauding Loudly Enough".


Law of Self Defense

I have just received my copy of the 3rd edition of Andrew Branca's important and useful book, The Law of Self Defense. If you have a firearm that you're using for home defense, you should have this book.

Andrew F. Branca, the renowned expert in self-defense law, teaches you how to make quick, effective, legally appropriate decisions in life-and-death situations. His easy-to-understand analysis thoroughly covers the laws of all fifty states. Key legal principles are illustrated with interesting, sometimes heart-wrenching, true life examples of people defending themselves, and how their decisions helped, hurt, or even destroyed their case.

Andrew e-mailed me to tell me about the 3rd edition:

(1) We’ve updated and/or re-affirmed all the state laws listed in the tables throughout the book (e.g., Alaska was a duty to retreat state in 2013, now it’s a stand-your-ground state); we’ve moved all the tables to the end of the book, to ease reading; we’ve added new anecdotes and cases that have arisen in the last three years (e.g., the Michael Dunn trial); the simple process of reviewing and re-writing leads to an incrementally better book than the 2nd Edition.

Oh, and we now have a dedicated chapter on what to say (or not say!) to the police in the aftermath of a self-defense shooting.

Oh, and the 3rd Edition will have a foreword by Massad Ayoob.

I'm thinking that the new chapter on how to speak to the police is going to be worth the price of the book. In it, Mr. Branca contrasts the "say nothing" approach, which he argues is sub-optimal, with his preferred "say little" perspective. He provides advice on what to say to the 911 operator, the responding officers, and the investigating officers, and it's different for each, when you should talk, and when you should shut up. I was impressed with Mr. Branca's thoroughness. It looks like he hits every detail and ties down every loose end.

Also, Andrew has generously provided a moron discount for us. If you purchase LoSD from his site and enter the purchase code MORON, you will be given a 20% discount. And not only on the book. Andrew says the 20% is good for the live seminars, the instructors program, the whole works.


Moron Giveaway

Long-time moron Christopher Taylor is giving all of us a chance to win one of two signed, print copies his first book Snowberry's Veil.

Snowberry's Veil is a departure from the usual world-changing, multi-part fantasy epic, taking a more personal look at a smaller adventure. Instead of saving the world from vast evil, this is a more intimate look at one hero's struggle to survive and help those around him.

Enter a world of strange creatures, magic, and personal struggle; a fight against the harsh wilderness as well as the evil that can lurk within man.

Snowberry's Veil is appropriate for teens and adults.

Giveaway link:

https://www.goodreads.com/giveaway/show/186577-snowberry-s-veil

More info on Snowberry's Veil:

http://alphawolf10.wix.com/kestrelarts2#!snowberry/c1hqc (it's got an awesome new cover).


Moron Recommendations

A received an e-mail recommendation for Orphan X by Gregg Hurwitz by a moron who says it's "good escapist literature." He says this novel serves as

,,,an introduction to a new character, Evan Smoak, trained from a young age to be jack-of-all-trades agent, ostensibly for the government. His mentor is killed, and he strikes out on his own. He is very good at his job. He is very careful about selecting his "clients''. But he becomes suspicious when he gets two client referrals in a brief period of time. He discovers that he is being hunted by anther Orphan. He doesn't know which client might be betraying him, but the hunt is on.

Think of Jack Reacher, but much more lawless, or "Have Gun, Will Travel" (Paladin), or "The Equalizer" on TV.

Orphan X is being considered for a motion picture.


Books by Morons

Moronette Sgt. Mom wants all of you mornos to know that her latest novel, The Second Chronicle of Luna City is now available on Kindle.

Welcome to Luna City, Texas - a small town, rather like the one which almost everyone wishes they lived in, full of mild eccentricity, friendly neighbors and now and again the focus for things like a curse on the high school football team homecoming game, a stolen hoard of 19th century gold coins, where a movie crew is doing locations shooting for a major motion picture, and the little cafe on town square is being run by a runaway celebrity chef ... and then there is the Age of Aquarius Campground and Goat Farm, run by a pair of 60's drop-outs...

Sgt. Mom says "This volume resolves the cliff-hanger ending of the first book - but ends in another cliffhanger, and yes, there is a third book to follow!"

The print version should be available early next week on Amazon and also on Barnes and Noble.


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Don't forget the AoSHQ reading group on Goodreads. It's meant to support horde writers and to talk about the great books that come up on the book thread. It's called AoSHQ Moron Horde and the link to it is here: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/175335-aoshq-moron-horde.


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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, rumors, threats, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

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1 I'm reading a Gaelic/English dictionary. Not finding what I am looking for. I don't think the word actually exists.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois Minimalist?? at May 15, 2016 08:57 AM (WVsWD)

2 Und Erste!

Posted by: Tim in Illinois Es ist Mein! Alle Mein! at May 15, 2016 08:58 AM (WVsWD)

3 Ah book thread.


Now down to Sum of All Fears, the movie version I have retitled The Fears of All muzzies. My re-read of all Jack Ryan series continues.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 08:58 AM (vvmPQ)

4 I looked up Rizzoli's a few months ago, I think they are reopening or have reopened down around 33rd st.

The 57th Street store was a palace.

It wasn't there forever, though. NYC has a way of making things seem permanent and eternal overnight and disappearing them without a second thought.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 15, 2016 08:59 AM (1xUj/)

5 Sadly OM, book stores were already a disappearing breed thanks to Amazon and Barnes and Nobels. The e-book has only accelerated that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 09:01 AM (vvmPQ)

6 How about Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. I also read Huckleberry Finn and Zombie Jim.

Posted by: Kyon at May 15, 2016 09:01 AM (mlXE0)

7 Posted by: Tim in Illinois Minimalist?? at May 15, 2016 08:57 AM (WVsWD)

The word doesn't exist in English or it doesn't exist in Gaelic?

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 15, 2016 09:02 AM (wYnyS)

8 And, I've got nothing...been filling my skull with industrial management crap lately.....

Makes a fellow long for the days of steampower, it does.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 09:03 AM (lutOX)

9 He actually said that a private utility company might decide to shut off someone's electricity for religious reasons.


There are no "private utility companies". They are all regulated "public utilities" more or less owned by the stock holders.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 09:04 AM (vvmPQ)

10 "The word doesn't exist in English or it doesn't exist in Gaelic?"

I don't think it exists in Gaelic as a word. It might be a proper Name or the correct spelling might be completely lost.

Either way, I'm at a dead end and only guessing from the slimmest of evidence.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois Es ist Mein! Alle Mein! at May 15, 2016 09:05 AM (WVsWD)

11 Thanks to the moron who recommended, quite some time ago, The Shanghai Factor by Charles McCarry. I got to read a very good spy novel, and became aware of an author new to me. I will be seeking out other works by McCarry in the near future.

Posted by: Zoltan at May 15, 2016 09:05 AM (JYer2)

12 Now down to Sum of All Fears, the movie version I have retitled The Fears of All muzzies.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 08:58 AM (vvmPQ)


Ha! Yeah, I never could figure out why they had to change the bad guys in that movie from Palestinians to the left's favorite whipping boy, American neo-Nazis. Oh, wait, maybe I just answered my own question.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 09:05 AM (BbOP8)

13 Beat to quarters Mr Pullings,

The HMS Surprise was taken as the Unite, a French 36 (book has it a 28 so not sure of the discrepancy ) on April 13 1796 by the Revolutionaire 38 and consort off the coast of France and taken into British service.
About 1/3 of the way through HMS Surprise a Aubrey /Maturin novel.

Posted by: Skip at May 15, 2016 09:07 AM (3wHFl)

14 Just ordered Andrew's LOSD.
And the $5.00 Moron discount does work.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 09:08 AM (ptqRm)

15 Thanks for the kind review! :-)

--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at May 15, 2016 09:10 AM (uVRL2)

16 Hi Andrew.


Thanks again for showing some love to the Horde.

Keep up the great work

VIA

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 09:11 AM (ptqRm)

17 Reading is fun-da-mental!

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 15, 2016 09:11 AM (nckx1)

18 Johnson - the LP at its finest, it would seem - heterodox 'orthodoxy' masquerading as intellectual consistency, and guaranteeing against any opportunity for its implementation.

A 'ron described it as cosplay - seems about right.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 09:12 AM (lutOX)

19 Good morning all. For those who have been following along:

From this date in 1944- Anzio, Italy

The EZ Dog Journal

May 15, 1944
News from II Corps and FEC still looks promising. Both corps have moved well forward - as much as 4-5,000 yds. Several key points taken. Also quite a number of prisoners.
Our front will remain static for a while it seems, but we are ready.
Two 8" guns are expected tomorrow. They will be a welcome edition [sic] to outrange Gerry's 170's.



The push on both fronts in Italy (Cassino and Anzio) in May 1944 was intended in part to keep German divisions occupied so that they couldn't be reallocated to France in opposition to the upcoming Normandy invasion.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 15, 2016 09:12 AM (NeFrd)

20 No one is going to understand that PP pokes fun at Victorian courtship mores and customs. It was published in 1813. Queen Vic's reign started in 1837, by which time Jane Austen had been moldering in her grave for 20 years. Austen was a Georgian, a completely different animal.

Posted by: Bob at May 15, 2016 09:13 AM (fVGlW)

21 Hmmm ... In our family, we read books aloud to each other for entertainment. It helps to make kitchen chores, like doing the dishes, pass more pleasantly. Also, we don't have a television, so some evenings would be spent reading. Our kids are both boys and girls, and all of them enjoyed PP when we read it aloud. The difference is that a recited version of PP (and Austen, like most older authors, meant her work to be read aloud) is that the bite of her humor comes across, while it may be veiled by a silent reading, especially by someone who's not familiar with the language of Austen's time.

As for what to give boys, the Flashman books are good, but I'd prefer Kipling. "Kim" is a terrific read, or any of the novellas, such as "The Man Who Would Be King"; as good as the movie is, the story is even better.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 15, 2016 09:13 AM (a5bF3)

22 Yay book thread!

Woke up with a headache, so I will probably be here in spirit mostly.

Although, speaking of pride and prejudice,my older kid wanted to know what I meant by novels with political agenda.
I tried to think of a good example that I know she's read and that was further enough from today to be dispassionate about, and I came up with Mansfield Park.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 09:15 AM (7lVbc)

23 Maybe I'll break out some Yeats and Eliot and Pound on my days off...

Yeah, let's do that - fill me up with beautiful gloom.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 09:15 AM (lutOX)

24 What's that smell? Ah! The book thread.

New from the SciShow folks, watched last night:
Why Do Old Books Smell So Good? (2:22)
https://youtu.be/olLi1guxvkI

Looking up the URL, I noticed there's several other, older YouTube videos on the topic. Also why wet dogs smell bad.

Good morning.

Posted by: mindful webworker in the easy chair at May 15, 2016 09:15 AM (Y5LDn)

25 What the LP lacks, it would seem, is the virtue of phronesis, or prudence. They do not possess the virtue required to carry their plans into action.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 09:17 AM (lutOX)

26 22 Although, speaking of pride and prejudice,my older kid wanted to know what I meant by novels with political agenda.

I tried to think of a good example that I know she's read and that
was further enough from today to be dispassionate about, and I came up
with Mansfield Park.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 09:15 AM (7lVbc)


Almost all authors have a political agenda which shows in their books. Some quite heavy, some just a slight whiff of it. I dearly loved the first 4 or 5 books in the 1632 SF series, but the author is a raging liberal who worships the unions and it shows.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 09:17 AM (vvmPQ)

27 Libertarians today are full of cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 09:17 AM (7lVbc)

28 >>>About 1/3 of the way through HMS Surprise a Aubrey /Maturin novel.
Posted by: Skip at May 15, 2016 09:07 AM (3wHFl)

Great series, which I finished (including the never-completed Book #21) some years ago then moved into two of Bernard Cornwell's series. The movie based on the Aubrey/Maturin series combines elements of several of the books, but I couldn't get beyond seeing either character as Russell Crowe and Paul Bettany.

Posted by: Ishkibibble at May 15, 2016 09:18 AM (ADni6)

29 (Guess I'll be putting the Nicomachean Ethics on the reading-list, too. I'm do for a top-up.)

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 09:19 AM (lutOX)

30 A couple of weeks ago I put up the suggested reading list for a junior high school/high school in West Virginia and it was virtually all SJW crap, no classics and mostly women and minority authors.

So that's what they are teaching your kids in school.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 15, 2016 09:19 AM (WVvzl)

31 I think it was last week's book thread in which someone recommended a specific translation of "Don Quixote" (Edith Grossman's). So I bought it.

I'm not very far into it yet.

At first blush, it reminded me quite a bit of Mark Twain in being funny and mocking the establishment -- in this case the established literary tradition of chivalric books. I was expecting it to mock the institutions of knighthood and such.

So far, again I'm only on his first adventure, the narrator just mocks Quixote and his delusions. This seems rather unfair as he's created the mockable figure.

I shall keep reading but I ask the literate Hordelings whether to expect it to get better.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 15, 2016 09:21 AM (1xUj/)

32 Almost all authors have a political agenda which shows in their books. Some quite heavy, some just a slight whiff of it. I dearly loved the first 4 or 5 books in the 1632 SF series, but the author is a raging liberal who worships the unions and it shows.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 09:17 AM (vvmPQ)

Yes, that's why I gave up on that series after a couple of books.

SM Sterling, in his Island in the Sea of Time, was quite sensible, but he turned into a woowoo lefty with his layer series.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 09:21 AM (7lVbc)

33 That Freedom Daily article is very good.

The party's other candidates aren't quite as extreme in their statism though none of them will make an unqualified stand for your Thirteenth Amendment right not to be held in involuntary servitude--which is exactly what private sector nondiscrimination laws are.

Yep, I've been saying that for years. The civil rights laws were correct in stopping government discrimination, but they went entirely too far by making private discrimination illegal. Another term for private discrimination is "freedom of association".

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 09:23 AM (sdi6R)

34 Not even a transgendered teenaged boy in a bikini.

You know I'm clicking on that one!

Posted by: Hairy Reed at May 15, 2016 09:23 AM (Z58Xa)

35 Thanks for the link and blub, OM! I can't promise when the next installment of Luna City will be - maybe around the end of the year?

I have a full summer schedule of book events, and we always pick up some splendid stories about local characters and odd events from talking to people in the course of them - so, maybe then. The whole Luna City cycle is intended as a comic diversion, an escape from current grim realities - lord knows, we can use a bit of an escape, just like people in the 1930s escaped by going to the movies...

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at May 15, 2016 09:24 AM (oK6A/)

36 Still reading "Renaissance Lives" which, it turns out, is the actual title. I'm reading a chapter on Catherine de Medici, and I'm thinking I should read an actual biography of her - a most interesting woman.

I finished a murder mystery called "The Chill of the Night". It's set in Portland, Maine, it's part of a series, and it wasn't half bad. I might read another one in the series.

And I am now about half-way through "Auntie Mame." I may have to add this to my very short list of "The Movie Was Better." The one with Rosalind Russell, of course. Aside from Russell's performance, the costumes were to die for. I've never heard of the designer, but, oh, they were yummy.

I got a dead-tree copy of a manual for Eucharistic Adoration by the Poor Clares of Perpetual Adoration. My experiences with Adoration have been disappointing so far so I'm hoping this helps. I always get distracted by other people in the church. They keep breathing - it's terribly annoying and they should stop it. Can you spell "misophonia"? I knew you could.

Posted by: Tonestaple at May 15, 2016 09:24 AM (VsZJP)

37 Think of Jack Reacher, but much more lawless, or Have Gun, Will Travel (Paladin), or The Equalizer on TV.


My wife has the first three seasons of Have Gun Will Travel. She loves that show. also in that vein, the short lived Revenge Unlimited show.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 09:24 AM (vvmPQ)

38 I forgot to ask: Is "Clinton Cash" worth $15? Has anyone read it?

Posted by: Tonestaple at May 15, 2016 09:25 AM (VsZJP)

39 The Libertarians lost me decades ago on abortion; the ultimate triumph of the powerful over the powerless.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at May 15, 2016 09:26 AM (rwI+c)

40 Hey OM, just want to thank you for something. Last month on some other thread you mentioned a book called "Chicken Every Sunday", a memoir by a woman who grew up in a boarding house in Tucson. Even though I wasn't born there, I grew up in Tucson, but had never heard of the book.

So I told my sisters about it, and they ordered it. Since last week was my birthday, they gave that book and a pictorial book about early Tucson to me.

I read the early Tucson book first (just took a couple of hours) and learned a lot of things I didn't know. Then read "Chicken Every Sunday". Amazingly, the two books perfectly complemented each other. Many instances of them covering the same subject, for instance tourism coming to Tucson in the 30's. And the Chicken book was just terrific.

So I want to thank you for that, also The Book Thread which is my favorite.

Posted by: HH at May 15, 2016 09:27 AM (DrCtv)

41 The Science Fiction Writers of America (SFWA) announced this year's Nebula Awards (voted by the membership). It's considered a good thing that all the winning authors are women.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 15, 2016 09:29 AM (1PfmS)

42 ***"Well, I think the jury's still out on that whole "resurgence of faith" thing, at least as far as the United States goes..."***


It always struck me as odd about so many churches in the US that sent people overseas as missionaries or whatever to spread the Gospel, when it was painfully obvious that back home was slipping away. Europe is practically lost and I don't think the US is far behind.


I know that was the source of my dad's split with the church back in the 60s - sending so much abroad while so much was needed at home.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 09:30 AM (Wckf4)

43 >>>What is the right age to give a young male a copy of Flashman?

There is no earliest age to get them accustomed to the sight of flashman.

Posted by: Harry Reid at May 15, 2016 09:32 AM (hSjsk)

44 32 SM Sterling, in his Island in the Sea of Time, was quite sensible, but he turned into a woowoo lefty with his layer series.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 09:21 AM (7lVbc)

Other than the Gaystapo tint in Island In the Sea of Time I thought the first three books were pretty good. Yes he is a lefty, but too bad in the books. My gripe is that he has ran the Dies The Fire series (which was really good and actually conservative) into the ground. He should have stopped at book three

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 09:32 AM (vvmPQ)

45 Oh, haven't ready the "layer series" and have not seen it come up on Amazon.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 09:33 AM (vvmPQ)

46 Well, thanks to the link in last week's Book Thread for submissions to Sci-Fi Romance Quarterly, I spent hours writing a 5,094 word short story. It is more "sci-fi than romance" (according to my husband) and I have never written romance before or been published, but it has been submitted and I should hear back within 60 days.

Also, I managed to slip in some Cthulhuian words. So there.

Posted by: pookysgirl says f'tagn at May 15, 2016 09:33 AM (EgeHs)

47 33 Yep, I've been saying that for years. The civil
rights laws were correct in stopping government discrimination, but they
went entirely too far by making private discrimination illegal.
Another term for private discrimination is "freedom of association".

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 09:23 AM (sdi6R)

And that is why Goldwater opposed it. He said the law was unconstitutional. Too bad the liberals in black robes did not agree with him.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 09:35 AM (vvmPQ)

48 I tried to think of a good example that I know she's read and that

was further enough from today to be dispassionate about, and I came up

with Mansfield Park.
Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 09:15 AM (7lVbc)
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Samuel Richardson. (I think Austen wrote in direct competition with Richardson.) Daniel Defoe. Jonathan Swift.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 09:36 AM (MIKMs)

49 "Is "Clinton Cash" worth $15? Has anyone read it?"

If you're into the detail of what's going on, it is. It's been made into a soon to be released documentary that should get some attention.

It's a real tell about our media that the book has gotten relatively little attention in the last year since it came out. There's enough dots on its pages that you can draw the dots for a criminal case. It's been my hope that some of the 50,000 "deleted" e-mails connect these dots and that Comey goes there.

The Clintons left the White House "dead broke" but are now worth $200 million and control the Foundation, without any means to earn that kind of scratch outside of influence peddling. And we may give Hillary the keys to the Kingdom.






Posted by: Ignoramus at May 15, 2016 09:37 AM (bQxkN)

50 There are really two entirely distinct Libertarian parties, that just happen to use the same name and mailing address.

The first is the Guns Libertarian Party, which believes in the Bill of Rights, Separation of Powers, local autonomy, limited government, private enterprise, and personal freedom.

The second is the Weed Libertarian Party, which believes in legalized weed, polyamory, and maybe internet porn.

The last couple of election cycles have revealed the depressing truth that a lot of people we thought were Guns Libertarians were actually Weed Libertarians.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 15, 2016 09:38 AM (1PfmS)

51 I don't think it exists in Gaelic as a word. It might be a proper Name or the correct spelling might be completely lost.



Either way, I'm at a dead end and only guessing from the slimmest of evidence.


You are taking into account lenition, right? Gaelic changes the initial sounds of a word depending on the end of the word that it follows.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 15, 2016 09:39 AM (bZ7mE)

52 47
And that is why Goldwater opposed it. He said the law was unconstitutional. Too bad the liberals in black robes did not agree with him.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 09:35 AM (vvmPQ)


Ayn Rand, too. In an article she wrote at the time, she said, "Freedom of association includes the freedom not to associate."

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 09:40 AM (sdi6R)

53 Juvenile author Louis Sachar wrote the Wayside School series, which I have fond memories of my kids and I chuckling over. He also wrote 'There's a Boy in the Girls' Bathroom'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 09:42 AM (MIKMs)

54 50
The last couple of election cycles have revealed the depressing truth that a lot of people we thought were Guns Libertarians were actually Weed Libertarians.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 15, 2016 09:38 AM (1PfmS)


Or outright statists in the case of Gary Johnson.

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 09:42 AM (sdi6R)

55 ***"The last couple of election cycles have revealed the depressing truth that a lot of people we thought were Guns Libertarians were actually Weed Libertarians."***


Yeah, that and abortion (as Grump pointed out above) are the two reasons I can't get on board with them either.


They're like a party of smart teenagers with teenage priorities.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 09:42 AM (Wckf4)

56 Huma tells me I should read 'The Tea Leaves'. Must be a book about the vile tea party.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at May 15, 2016 09:43 AM (gwG9s)

57 I can't wait for the Weed libertarians to get their wish of legal weed granted and then have the regulatory/welfare state that they couldn't be bothered to go after first come in and make it a nightmare on every front.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 09:46 AM (Wckf4)

58 If it hasn't been mentioned already, Jane Austen was dead long before Victoria ascended her throne.

She is technically Georgian, especially Regency.

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at May 15, 2016 09:46 AM (YHcVd)

59 Well, I can see this week will cost some coin getting books mentioned in the post: LOSD and Luna City at least.

Kind of weird week for reading. I started four books and didn't finish them. The fiction book wasn't that well written. The nonfiction were too basic for my needs or covered material I already knew. I have so much reading on hand, not to mention other interests and hobbies, I'm becoming ruthless about putting a book down if it isn't what I want.

Posted by: JTB at May 15, 2016 09:47 AM (V+03K)

60 "but rather pokes fun at Victorian courtship mores and customs."

Nitpick of the day. "Pride and Prejudice" was published in 1813. Queen Victoria was not even born yet. The time period when Austen wrote is usually called the Regency Period.

Posted by: Michael K at May 15, 2016 09:47 AM (YXlRz)

61 In the first book Cervantes seems to *really* dislike his character. In the second (which in the forward Cervantes says he wrote because someone else had "borrowed" his name to tell more Don Quixote stories and he wanted in on the action) he seems to have a much softer feeling for the character.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 15, 2016 09:48 AM (GDulk)

62 20 No one is going to understand that PP pokes fun at Victorian courtship mores and customs. It was published in 1813.

Posted by: Bob at May 15, 2016 09:13 AM (fVGlW)


Arrgh. Corrected. Thank you.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 09:50 AM (BbOP8)

63 Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 09:23 AM (sdi6R)
***
We're approaching the cudgeling-the-other-fellow's-brains-out stage, I'm afraid.

Sigh...and it was such a nice country.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 09:51 AM (lutOX)

64 " Well, I can see this week will cost some coin getting books mentioned in the post: LOSD and Luna City at least. "

Getting ready to order "You will be made to care" as well.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 09:54 AM (ptqRm)

65 Put up a last minute short post on DC history in blog (link in nic)

I hope there are no glaring errors, my head is killing me.

Vic, I liked the Nantucket series, hated that Dies the Fire one.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 09:54 AM (7lVbc)

66 Greetings, O glorious bookthreadists!

-The 1632 books are written/headlined not just by a liberal, but a card-carrying Trotskyite. Considering that, Flint does a fairly good job of toning down his personal politics :-D Yeah, I just skim over the unions-are-perfect nonsense and go straight for Cardinal Richelieu getting a hemorrhoid operation.
-S.M. Stirling should abandon the Dies the Fire stuff and write more of the Lords of Creation planetary romances. In the Courts of the Crimson Kings was absolutely wonderful and did not feature idiocies like planes dropping like rocks when the power went out.
-Already ordered The Law of Self-Defense v.3. This is why the Book Thread should really run every day, or have a secret mailing list or something. I can't always WAIT for Sunday to learn important stuff like, you know, discounts. Sigh.

Just finished reading Hollow Mass which was very silly and fun. I especially liked the horrific and gory deaths of the liberal academic nutbars at the hands (tentacles?) of various squamous horrors. Next in the list is Everything Under the Heavens, a tale of the adventures of Marco Polo's granddaughter...

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at May 15, 2016 09:55 AM (GG9V6)

67 "private utility company might decide to shut off electricity for religious reasons." Always remember what the wise man said: What they are accusing you of, is what they are planning to do. Or at the very least what they would like to do if only they could get the opportunity.

Posted by: Terentia at May 15, 2016 09:55 AM (0ArPO)

68 I have been asked in the past what to suggest for a libertarian book.

I have always suggested L Neil Smith (and have been pilloried for it as well)
especially Tom Paine Maru, since it does a very good job of introducing the reader, through the main character Whitey O'Thrait, who has absolutely no experience of society outside of his own authoritarian world to the concept of liberty and self determination. Also, unlike the author's other books it is not such a close strike to home and current sacred cows and shibboleths.

It is not exhaustive, after all it was a 180 page DAW Sci-Fi pulp, but it touches on what the philosophy might offer and what the results might be, and what the counter arguments are.

Why L. Neil Smith? Well, Carl Menger, Milton Friedman, and even Henry Hazlitt take a lot of study to get down, and they don't have a main character you can learn with.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 15, 2016 09:56 AM (ry34m)

69 And Immagonnaaskthequestion...


Our Prolific Author Anna P.

Ron..
or
Ette?



My mind gets confused so easily these days.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 09:56 AM (ptqRm)

70 If Jane Austen was Georgian, wouldn't she be named something like Jane Austashvili?

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 15, 2016 09:57 AM (1PfmS)

71 They're like a party of smart teenagers with teenage priorities.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 09:42 AM (Wckf4)
***
Too bad, really. The really smart ones tend to f*ck up in the most ingenious ways.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 09:57 AM (lutOX)

72 Pride and Prejudice is one of those books that I read and reread a few times a year and every time I do so I gain some new insight into the way Austen weaves the words together to create this rich tapestry of English life in that century; it's gorgeous it really is. And Mr Darcy was my very first crush.

Posted by: IC at May 15, 2016 09:58 AM (zK6nG)

73 Ron..

or

Ette?


'ette, I think. I've never met her, but one of the old regulars, I forget who, said that he had met her face to face and she was indeed an 'ette.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 15, 2016 09:59 AM (bZ7mE)

74 The last couple of election cycles have revealed the depressing truth that a lot of people we thought were Guns Libertarians were actually Weed Libertarians.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 15, 2016 09:38 AM (1PfmS)


Thank you, this is a very useful distinction to make. I'm stealing it.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 09:59 AM (BbOP8)

75 My mind gets confused so easily these days. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 09:56 AM (ptqRm)
=====

Too many junk swirling around and no time to sort and analyze. Just free-form associations. I spend waaaay too much time with a 2 yo and backup time with a 12 yo girl. Yeah, that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 09:59 AM (MIKMs)

76 Our Prolific Author Anna P.

Ron..
or
Ette?



Android cat girl, duh.



"AnnaPuma and UniPuma

Anna & Uni are a pair of tall, beautiful blonde android catgirls who were created as "love dolls" to be marketed for profit, but they developed beyond this superficial programming and became criminals, joining forces with Buaku. Except for the occasional spat, they are inseparable and sisterly in the most extreme ways. They despise the series' heroine Leona Ozaki, and the feeling is mutual."

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 15, 2016 10:00 AM (1xUj/)

77 She is technically Georgian, especially Regency.

Posted by: Tammy al Thor at May 15, 2016 09:46 AM (YHcVd)


I really stepped in that one. But it's fixed now.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 10:00 AM (BbOP8)

78 . I always get distracted by other people in the church. They keep breathing - it's terribly annoying and they should stop it. Can you spell "misophonia"? I knew you could.
Posted by: Tonestaple at May 15, 2016 09:24 AM (VsZJP)

Focus on your own breathing.
It will get you into a prayerful state.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:03 AM (7lVbc)

79 He then went on to cite the silliest slippery slope argument I have ever heard - and I've heard some silly ones. He actually said that a private utility company might decide to shut off someone's electricity for religious reasons.

Gary Johnson was on a Salem Radio talk show and stated that the pro-life movement wanted to put tracking bracelets on pregnant women and that is why he was pro-abortion.

Granted the host was hammering him over elements of law having to do with legalization of both pot and abortion, and Gary probably was flustered, but honestly, a Libertarian candidate that cannot separate out and express a concept at a level above "and they will put you in camps" is not ready for prime-time.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 15, 2016 10:04 AM (ry34m)

80 Just finished reading Hollow Mass which was very silly and fun. I especially liked the horrific and gory deaths of the liberal academic nutbars at the hands (tentacles?) of various squamous horrors.

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at May 15, 2016 09:55 AM (GG9V6)


I know. ( *snif* ) Don't you just love books with happy endings?

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 10:04 AM (BbOP8)

81 She is technically Georgian, especially Regency.

--

You can tell by the women's fashions.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:04 AM (7lVbc)

82 Thanks to Bookbub, I just finished "Old Sparky: The Electric Chair and the History of the Death Penalty" by Anthony Galvin. The author comes off as anti-death-penalty, but his accounts of early attempts at electrocutions and the "Current Wars" between Edison and Westinghouse make it a passable good read, not preachy for the most part.

Posted by: antisocialist at May 15, 2016 10:04 AM (9n14Y)

83 And the men's fashions. Regency men were flashy dressers.
Victorian men were boring except for facial hair.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:06 AM (7lVbc)

84 I have started 'Paradise Lost' again. The CS Lewis 'Preface' is worth its weight in college credits. What a difference it made in appreciating Milton's works.

Speaking of college, I looked through my old Norton Anthologies used in college. They cover a LOT of material but reflect too much of the "current" critical theory that makes me crazy these days. I mentioned last week that I could have substituted a few books by CS Lewis (especially 'The Discarded Image') and Tolkien that would have served me better than semesters of what I got.

Posted by: JTB at May 15, 2016 10:06 AM (V+03K)

85 Chris Bunch, "The Last Legion". Very moron-friendly. Some Imperial marines get hijacked / pressed into another planet's navy, so the heroes have to sneak out to get to their actual post. There they have to fight a Fourth Generation War against murderous commie cultists. First in the jungle then in the cities.

The local generals are idiots so the grunts have to figure out how to fight 4gw themselves.

Bunch has gone into this stuff before, like in Demon King and Seer King. It's still timely and good.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 15, 2016 10:07 AM (Ug2d+)

86 Listened to Jim Butcher's The Aeronaut's Windlass, his take on the steampunk genre. Two states are at war with their dirigibles, monsters, magic and talking cats. Though lighter in tone than the Dresden Files which have gotten progressively darker, he still likes to put his characters through the ringer and break things. Entertaining book, look forward to the sequel.

Read Shakespeare's poem Venus and Adonis, his first published work. Apparently he turned to writing poetry when plague caused the playhouses to close in 1592-1594. The goddess Venus chases after the mortal Adonis who comes to a bad end. Full of his usual love poetry, pretty good.

Posted by: waelse1 at May 15, 2016 10:09 AM (kZFjr)

87 Someone mentioned "Flashman", which was written by George MacDonald Fraser, which reminded me that I had actually finished "Steel Bonnets", which was Fraser's history of the Borderers, or Reavers, on the Scotch English border.
I was given this by my "boss", who is British and grew up on the border, and his family is descended from Borderers.

Something I knew nothing about, but pretty fascinating story. Fraser is, of course, a humorous writer, and does weave some very good humor into the book. Hard to follow at times, because of the various clans that were involved.
He does open the book with the 1969 inaugural of Richard Nixon, and remarks that Nixon, Lyndon Johnson and Billy Graham, all standing together, were descendants of Border Reavers (es Pravda!). So, we had that going for us.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 15, 2016 10:14 AM (+1T7c)

88 Page reloads getting wonky for anyone else?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 10:14 AM (ptqRm)

89 Open Blogger, thanks for the plug.

For those don't know, Harry Flashman is a character in an old beloved-by-Brits novel, Tom Brown's Schooldays, about young boys at Rugby School in the 1830s. There's a lot of Schooldays in the Harry Potter novels -- young boy comes of age in an English boarding school. Harry Flashman is an older bully who torments Tom Brown until he gets caught "beastly drunk" and expelled.

The Flashman novels answer the question "whatever happened to Harry Flashman?" He becomes a comic anti-hero who winds up a player in all the great British misadventures of the 19th Century and a few American ones as well, usually as a result of getting caught seducing the wrong woman. By today's standards the sex is PG-13, but what would set the SJWs on fire is that Harry is an unrepentant seducer and cad.

They're written as Harry's autobiographical papers discovered after his death. They're well-written adventures that weave in actual history. The first is set in Afghanistan, where the Brits lost an entire army. My favorite is the second, Royal Flash, which features a young Otto von Bismark, and Lola Montez, an Irish exotic dancer and courtesan who became the power behind the Bavarian throne. On reflection, they provide a critique of the British Empire and its prejudices against the rest of the world, and things like slavery.

Part of my complaint is that novels that boys (and some girls) would like and benefit from are "right out" as the Brits would say. Meanwhile they're deluged with porn on their own time, and forced to read things in school they have no interest in.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 15, 2016 10:14 AM (bQxkN)

90 *wringer*

Posted by: waelse1 at May 15, 2016 10:16 AM (kZFjr)

91 . This is why the Book Thread should really run every day, or have a secret mailing list or something. I can't always WAIT for Sunday to learn important stuff like, you know, discounts. Sigh.

--

Some of our writers are using the goodreads group to announce Horde-only discounts and freebies

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:17 AM (7lVbc)

92 For some reason, the Flashman series never appealed to me. My favorite was 'Stalky and Company' by Kipling. When I was young, I wanted to be in that group (aside from the fact that most died in the Great War).

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 10:17 AM (MIKMs)

93 Sabrina or OM: Who wrote 'Hollow Mass'? Sounds like fun.

Posted by: JTB at May 15, 2016 10:18 AM (V+03K)

94 ***"Gary Johnson was on a Salem Radio talk show and stated that the pro-life movement wanted to put tracking bracelets on pregnant women and that is why he was pro-abortion."***


Say what?? That's like WMD-grade level stupid.


Didn't know that much about Johnson until recently. What I've learned about him is completely worth forgetting.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 10:19 AM (Wckf4)

95 Part of my complaint is that novels that boys (and
some girls) would like and benefit from are "right out" as the Brits
would say. Meanwhile they're deluged with porn on their own time, and
forced to read things in school they have no interest in.


Posted by: Ignoramus


Control the past, and you can control the future, or at least that's what "they" think. Myths and truth are frequently interwoven in what we think is factual history, and it actually takes a mature adult to separate the two. Kids and adolescents, however, do need some real social values to hang onto that CAN be imparted in good fiction, or else they become feral gang kids, holding onto each other.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 15, 2016 10:20 AM (+1T7c)

96 Posted by: waelse1 at May 15, 2016 10:09 AM (kZFjr)

My only complaint with The Aeronaut's Windlass was that it was the first of a new series so I couldn't binge read how ever many books, and I had pre-ordered a library hold on it through OverDrive so now have to wait *all* the time until the next is written.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 15, 2016 10:20 AM (GDulk)

97 Posted by: waelse1 at May 15, 2016 10:09 AM (kZFjr)


Butcher is always a pleasure to listen to at panels or solo talks. Funny guy with some good insights.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 10:20 AM (Wckf4)

98 Didn't know that much about Johnson until recently. What I've learned about him is completely worth forgetting.


Posted by: Burn the Witch

You could make Chemjeff mad talking like that.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 15, 2016 10:22 AM (+1T7c)

99 Re comment #66, Sabrina Chase: "-Already ordered The Law of Self-Defense v.3. This is why the Book Thread should really run every day, or have a secret mailing list or something. I can't always WAIT for Sunday to learn important stuff like, you know, discounts. Sigh."

Sabrina, if you ordered from us, provide me with your order # and I'll provide the MORON discount retroactively, refund you the $5.

If you ordered from Amazon, however, I don't have that option, sorry.

--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at May 15, 2016 10:22 AM (uVRL2)

100 Somewhat relevant, somewhat OT:

A few weeks ago, the film "Little Women" was on.

Told the gay male friend I was watching it, asked if he had seen it.

Said there was no way, shape or form that he, a man, would ever even consider watching something called "Little Women."

I think that harkens back to the "Pride and Prejudice" comment at the beginning of the post...

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 15, 2016 10:22 AM (AHDxb)

101 Thanks to the moron who recommended, quite some time ago, The Shanghai Factor by Charles McCarry. I got to read a very good spy novel, and became aware of an author new to me. I will be seeking out other works by McCarry in the near future.

Posted by: Zoltan at May 15, 2016 09:05 AM (JYer2)


Charles McCarry is quite possibly the best American spy novelist ever. It obviously didn't hurt that he spied for the CIA for years using the cover of editor-at-large for National Geographic.

For other works by McCarry, I would recommend starting with The Miernik Dossier, book #1 in the 10-book Paul Christopher series. Other highlights in the series include The Tears of Autumn (#2, who really killed JFK: he brought it on himself), Shelley's Heart (#8, a scarily plausible lefty coup takes over the US), The Last Supper (#5), Second Sight (#7) and Old Boys (#9). The Better Angels (#4), while not particularly well written, is notable for predicting the use of hijacked commercial airplanes as guided missiles in 1979, 22 year before 9/11.

Posted by: cool breeze at May 15, 2016 10:22 AM (ckvus)

102 I'm reading "Team of Rivals" by Goodwin. Very good, thorough and well written. One small (ok yuuuge!) problem. The book is massive. Must weigh 7 lbs. Not ideal for bedtime reading.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 15, 2016 10:24 AM (SeD0w)

103 Bossy Conservative, you may want to look at the "Cumbrianator" over at BabelSheep.

http://babelsheep.com

It turns your post into:

Summa' A knew now' about, bu' smart fascinatin' story, like eh. Fraser is, ov course, a 'umorous writer, an' does weave some dead barie 'umor inter the book, like. 'ard ter follow a' times, cuz ov the various clans tha' were involved, like eh.

Fraser also wrote Quartered Safe Out Here, which is his memoirs of being in Burma in WW2. Very worth the read.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 15, 2016 10:24 AM (ry34m)

104 "Some of our writers are using the goodreads group to announce Horde-only discounts and freebies "

Huh. Never really looked at goodreads for that purpose.

On the to-do list. :-)

--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at May 15, 2016 10:25 AM (uVRL2)

105 Posted by: Law of Self Defense at May 15, 2016 10:22 AM (uVRL2)

Andrew, since you are still here, just an fyi that I have added you to my AoSHQ list on bookhorde (I did a short blurb on a post too last Thursday under Blog Updates)

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:25 AM (7lVbc)

106 Reading Shattered Sword by Parshall and Tully. Pretty exciting narrative of the Battle of Midway as told from the Japanese side. Much of the material used has never been published in the West. Very well written. I am only 50 pages in, but enjoying it immensely and learning a lot.

I later plan on reading Empires in the Balance by Wilmont. Volume 1 of a trilogy recommended by the above authors. It covers the strategic thinking of the Japanese and Americans prior to the outbreak of hostilities. I think it will shed a lot of light on the thinking of the recent Chinese expansion in the Western Pacific.

Posted by: countrydoc at May 15, 2016 10:27 AM (qKwUt)

107 #105: "Andrew, since you are still here, just an fyi that I have added you to my AoSHQ list on bookhorde (I did a short blurb on a post too last Thursday under Blog Updates)"

Thanks, @votermom, much appreciated! :-)

--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at May 15, 2016 10:28 AM (uVRL2)

108 I'm reading "Team of Rivals" by Goodwin. Very good, thorough and well written. One small (ok yuuuge!) problem. The book is massive. Must weigh 7 lbs. Not ideal for bedtime reading.


I read that back in the day. I remember describing it to a friend as a great 500 page book crammed into 900 pages.

She repeats herself a lot and hammers home themes which have already been well-hammered.

Still a good book, but heaven have mercy, woman, editors need work too.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 15, 2016 10:29 AM (1xUj/)

109 Forgotten skills of cooking by Darina Allen encompasses a LOT more than just cooking. This would also be a good book for the 'survival enthusiasts.
Lots of good recipes, lots of tips, how to use leftovers, produce gardens, raising chickens, canning, curing, etc. Hope this is helpful --Cheers---

Posted by: rld77 WAY down south at May 15, 2016 10:29 AM (fsc/9)

110 I read McCarry's Old Boys, and forgot who wrote it. Thank you Cool Breeze

Posted by: Kindltot at May 15, 2016 10:30 AM (ry34m)

111 Yeah, the goodreads horde group is private so only approved members can see & post.
Markham Pyle is still running his 50% off his funny annotated Mowgli stories and Candace Christine Little is offering free copies of her middle school / teen fantasy series.
Definitely worth checking out.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:32 AM (7lVbc)

112 94 ***"Gary Johnson was on a Salem Radio talk show and stated that the pro-life movement wanted to put tracking bracelets on pregnant women and that is why he was pro-abortion."***


Say what?? That's like WMD-grade level stupid.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 10:19 AM (Wckf4)


Sounds like he took "The Handmaid's Tale" way too seriously.

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 10:32 AM (sdi6R)

113 "Yeah, the goodreads horde group is private so only approved members can see & post. "

Wait...you guys have standards?

Wuts up with dat?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 10:34 AM (ptqRm)

114 I have started my grandson on Anne Mccaffrey, he loves dragons.
I sure do miss her writing and periodically reread the entire series.

Posted by: FCF at May 15, 2016 10:34 AM (kejii)

115 Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 15, 2016 10:22 AM (AHDxb)

I love Little Women.

I guess to get men to re-read, they should rewrite it as Little Women, Big Guns.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:34 AM (7lVbc)

116 This past week I've mostly been reading science stuff. Not anything I recommend. My only light reading has been Mignola's _Hellboy in Mexico_. It's a collection of comics about Hellboy in 1950s Mexico fighting vampires, werewolves, Frankenstein's Monster, and The Aztec Mummy alongside some masked wrestlers on a mission from the Virgin Mary.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 15, 2016 10:34 AM (1PfmS)

117 Wait...you guys have standards?

Wuts up with dat?

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No standards, you just must have a secret password.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:35 AM (7lVbc)

118 After realizing at the beginning of '08 that *actually believing* the planks of the Republican platform made *me* the RINO (and a dupe) I looked into the libertarians. Reading Ron Paul's book both explained what was happening to the housing/university/medical markets and showed that I could never join the party. That and, although it may be CO specific, in talking to individuals who called themselves libertarians I could distinguish little difference from my Nader-voting B-I-L.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 15, 2016 10:35 AM (GDulk)

119 I guess to get men to re-read, they should rewrite it as Little Women, Big Guns.


Or Big....not necessarily guns.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 15, 2016 10:35 AM (1xUj/)

120 Re: "Made to care."

It's important to remember that in "1984" it wasn't enough to simply obey Big Brother.

You had to love him.

Posted by: TB at May 15, 2016 10:35 AM (UXEYz)

121 Gary Johnson is one of those guys, the more you learn about him, the less you like. A lot of politicians are that way, but usually they are pretty well known so there's not as much of a curve.

Already ordered The Law of Self-Defense v.3. This is why the Book Thread should really run every day, or have a secret mailing list or something. I can't always WAIT for Sunday to learn important stuff like, you know, discounts.

People should post that stuff on the Goodreads forum, so its a daily update.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 10:36 AM (39g3+)

122 I found a 1960's edition of The Jungle Book with illustrations and gave it to a co-worker to read to her son. (I have mentioned this before)
He was OK with The Jungle Book sections and he loved Rikki-Tikki-Tavi

She tried to give it back to me and I told her that her son would want to read it again.


I wrote on the fly-leaf, "Stay interested and you will always find something to do" which from his mom's comments will not be hard for that boy.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 15, 2016 10:37 AM (ry34m)

123 I guess to get men to re-read, they should rewrite it as Little Women, Big Guns Big 'Uns.

Just trying to be helpful.

Posted by: t-bird at May 15, 2016 10:37 AM (ANVXm)

124 Richard D. Moore, MD PhD, "The High Blood Pressure Solution." Dr. Dr. Moore's research shows that the so-called essential (or idiopathic, or primary) hypertension is in fact caused by a lifetime of eating too much sodium and not enough potassium. Consider, for example, that in hunter-gatherer societies there is very little hypertension; their dietary potassium/sodium ratio is between 7 and 15. In the standard American diet the ratio is around 0.4. In the 1970s, the entire nation of Finland replaced their table salt (sodium chloride) with a blend of sodium, potassium and magnesium salts. This has resulted in a 60+% decline in heart attacks and strokes. Moore includes discussion of the underlying physiological mechanisms, and provides a program for diet and exercise. In minor ways the book is a bit dated (e.g., we're less concerned now about saturated fat and cholesterol in the diet). But, I recommend it to anyone who is struggling with high blood pressure. I tried his recommendations, and got my BP down from 160/105 to 106/68 in about 4 months, with no medications.

Posted by: GolfBoy at May 15, 2016 10:38 AM (moQX0)

125 "No standards, you just must have a secret password."

Whew...I though you all were going high falutin and stuff for a minute.

Still trying to master that whole "Pants on the Book Thread" thing.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 10:38 AM (ptqRm)

126 123
I guess to get men to re-read, they should rewrite it as Little Women, Big Guns Big 'Uns.
---

LOL. It might just work either way..

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at May 15, 2016 10:39 AM (AHDxb)

127 I checked with one of my neighbors (we have grown children now) and the summer reading 30 years ago in our district was 'Animal Farm' and 'The Abolition of Man' -- 3 years ago it was 'The Tipping Point' and 'Into the Wild'. How the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 10:40 AM (MIKMs)

128 Still trying to master that whole "Pants on the Book Thread" thing.


I kind of resent that, but today we had a celebrity show up so I guess you never know.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 15, 2016 10:41 AM (1xUj/)

129 93 Sabrina or OM: Who wrote 'Hollow Mass'? Sounds like fun.

Posted by: JTB at May 15, 2016 10:18 AM (V+03K)


'Hollow Mass' was written by a lurking 'ette's husband and I pimped it up one side and down the other several book threads ago. You can search for it by title on Amazon. It's basically a horror story that takes place in the Lovecraftian universe, only in the modern day, so Miskatonic U. has been taken over by the SJWs.

Highly recommended.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 10:41 AM (BbOP8)

130 There's a serious push to obliterate western literature from colleges and universaries. There was recently a NYT column all about how they didn't understand why the western canon is even read, and several colleges are pushing to end the humanities departments because they are so useless. Why read literature? Its not SCIENCE!!!! or x-studies departments.

Its hard enough at libraries to find classic books these days.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 10:42 AM (39g3+)

131 "I kind of resent that, but today we had a celebrity show up so I guess you never know."

So we surrender our pantless culture to placate the new arrivals?

Fine....but going commando is always a protest option.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 10:44 AM (ptqRm)

132 Vic, I liked the Nantucket series, hated that Dies the Fire one.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 09:54 AM (7lVbc)

I liked the first one but that diminished as it moved on. I finally gave up on it after expecting another good one to come and not getting it. Too bad I have a bunch of the hard covers now. I may donate them to the library.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 15, 2016 10:44 AM (vvmPQ)

133 Fraser also wrote Quartered Safe Out Here, which is his memoirs of being in Burma in WW2. Very worth the read.


Posted by: Kindltot

OK, the "Cumbrinator" is funny. Fraser is a hoot. Very measured and sly humor.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at May 15, 2016 10:46 AM (+1T7c)

134 You never know who'll be at the Ace of Spades. Jose Canseco showed up once, or at least someone who really, really seemed like it was him. I know guys like Peabody Award-winning International Film and Television star Nick Searcy read, even if they don't post. And of course Breitbart used to read the comments and rarely say something. They lurk among us.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 10:46 AM (39g3+)

135 >> I never could figure out why they had to change the bad guys in that
movie from Palestinians to the left's favorite whipping boy, American
neo-Nazis.

Because the film came out in May 2002.
Talk about too soon to have a movie depicting the destruction of a near DC stadium!! Even changing it to Neo-Nazis couldn't get me to watch that after watching (from my living room) emergency personnel air-lift bodies from the Pentagon on 9/11.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 15, 2016 10:46 AM (NOIQH)

136 I haven't had time to read this past week, so I don't have a book-related comment, but boy, do I have plenty to say about "you will be made to care" and non-discrimination laws. I'm a real estate agent. Every two years I have to take a fair housing class and every year I seethe at the end of the class. It's not that I don't believe in treating everyone fairly; it's that if a member of a protected class (and the number of protected classes keeps expanding) files a discrimination complaint, I am presumed guilty and have to prove my innocence.

Posted by: biancaneve at May 15, 2016 10:46 AM (sjq9T)

137 1 I'm reading a Gaelic/English dictionary. Not finding what I am looking for. I don't think the word actually exists.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois Minimalist?? at May 15, 2016 08:57 AM (WVsWD

That word does not exist in any language.
It will never be uttered by a human mouth.

Posted by: David Byrne at May 15, 2016 10:47 AM (VSenK)

138 "111 Yeah, the goodreads horde group is private so only approved members can see & post. "

Didn't know that, just clicked the button to join. :-)

--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at May 15, 2016 10:49 AM (uVRL2)

139 ***...and several colleges are pushing to end the humanities departments because they are so useless.***


Well, I can't say that would necessarily be a bad thing. Didn't Japan do that recently?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 10:51 AM (Wckf4)

140 I was a Libertarian Party member for one election cycle. They blew off Christine Smith for Republican retread Bob Barr. That's when I knew they were just as much of a joke as the other parties. Gary Johnson? Pffft.

Posted by: Hadoop at May 15, 2016 10:51 AM (2X7pN)

141 Because the film came out in May 2002.

Talk about too soon to have a movie depicting the destruction of a near DC stadium!!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 15, 2016 10:46 AM (NOIQH)


Then why did they change the location to Baltimore? In the book, it was a stadium in Denver that got toasted.

Although, from what I hear, nuking Baltimore might actually increase local property values.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 10:51 AM (BbOP8)

142 I would guess the "change in venue" in the film had more to do with who gave them the best tax deals rather than any story concerns.

Sum of All Fears is in my opinion Clancy's best novel, but I knew they'd get it all wrong.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 10:53 AM (39g3+)

143 The secret password is just identifying yourself as Horde.
I just approved Andrew and a Pixy-banned Fishbreath.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:53 AM (7lVbc)

144 So we surrender our pantless culture to placate the new arrivals?

Fine....but going commando is always a protest option.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 10:44 AM (ptqRm)


You will be made to wear pants.

You will be made to love to wear pants.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 10:55 AM (BbOP8)

145 "Although, from what I hear, nuking Baltimore might actually increase local property values."


Ahem...

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 10:55 AM (ptqRm)

146 They lurk among us.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 10:46 AM (39g3+)

Dang, where's my x-ray glasses!
This garlic necklace will have to do.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:55 AM (7lVbc)

147 "You will be made to love to wear pants."

See, that's some darn good writing right here....

Take a bow.


It's done.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 10:56 AM (ptqRm)

148 As to Flashman and age , I think the lad need to have squeezed his first bosom to have the necessary context . Thereafter , the energetic reader ought to use Flashy as a jumping off point to learn his history of the Empire . Peccavi , eh ? As to Jane Austen , I taught litchur for many years and I would threaten that if the Young Gentlemen did not do their reading , there would be Austen on the list and if that did not produce the desired results , then the next up was Barchester Towers / Trollope : four hundred pages of church politics writ small . Twain and Quixote : Twain is in fact riffing on Cervantes , riffing on chansons de geste . Wheels inside of wheels , or as the postmoderns say , " intertextuality " and " meta narrative " . To wit , "you ain't never heard of me 'lest you read a book Tom Sawyer "

Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at May 15, 2016 10:56 AM (uvj0z)

149 You will be made to love to wear pants.


OK, that's a hill to die on.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 15, 2016 10:57 AM (1xUj/)

150 Pants: A Love Story

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:58 AM (7lVbc)

151 >>>You Will Be Made To Care

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Honey Badger Bakery at May 15, 2016 10:59 AM (wF15t)

152 "OK, that's a hill to die on. "

Time to put on your Big Boy Pants, and......

Uh, wait a minute.

That won't work, will it?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 10:59 AM (ptqRm)

153 Andrew, thanks for the generous offer but of course I got the book from Amazon. I only mention it here because I wanted to whine for sympathy in the Book Thread, which if you haven't noticed is a very laid-back, scratch-yourself-in-pajamas kind of place. (Pajamas count as pants, yes?)

Looking forward to reading the book!

Oh, and Hallow Mass is by JP Mac.

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at May 15, 2016 11:00 AM (GG9V6)

154 Sabrina, Thanks about 'Hollow Mass'.

Posted by: JTB at May 15, 2016 11:00 AM (V+03K)

155 If you like the Flashman novels, try Fraser's Mr American. It's about an American prospector who strikes it rich in Nevada and decides to find his Roots in England. It's more serious in tone than the Flashman novels, but has the same conceit of putting a fictional character in the midst of real history, in this case the run-up to the the start of WWI. What comes through is that Fraser, a Scot who served Empire in WWII, likes Americans and is critical of the British ruling class.

The Curragh Mutiny figures in the plot, which is a momentous event in Irish history.

Moral: You can't go home. Americans aren't European.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 15, 2016 11:00 AM (bQxkN)

156 BTW , Fraser's memoir of WW2 as a squadie in Burma is first rate " Quartered Safe Out Here " . And BTW BTW the last chapter is the 'end of story' account of why Hiroshima was the right thing to do . Read it for that alone . Her's looking at you Barry O

Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at May 15, 2016 11:00 AM (uvj0z)

157 Seriously though, I want to thank Oregon Muse for doing the Book Thread every Sunday - a fun and important push-back against the SJW-fication of the literary world.

I'm convinced that the way to win the culture war is to be the side having fun.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:01 AM (7lVbc)

158 Um, I have a caller from one of the voices in my head asking if wearing pants on your head counts?

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:03 AM (7lVbc)

159 I'm convinced that the way to win the culture war is to be the side having fun.

I think so too, and its pretty obvious the other guys are miserable.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:04 AM (39g3+)

160 "Pride and Prejudice" is verbal and mental chess.

That you have to understand that what's going on in the minds is foremost.

Most 16-year old boys are focused on the physical aspects of everything and aren't even awar of subtle thoughts or feelings. So are most 16-year old teenage girls. Romance might reel them in, but this is NOT a romance novel in any way or form.

Posted by: Trump's Stubby Fingers at May 15, 2016 11:04 AM (SJ184)

161 "Um, I have a caller from one of the voices in my head asking if wearing pants on your head counts?"

And our survey says!!!!!!


[ ] Yes

[ ] No

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:04 AM (ptqRm)

162 I have a caller from one of the voices in my head asking if wearing pants on your head counts?

you mean like this?

http://tinyurl.com/zk842lq

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:05 AM (39g3+)

163 "I'm convinced that the way to win the culture war is to be the side having fun. "

One of the reasons why I love the Horde.

The meanest pst misbegotten sons of bitches, with the rudest most off color tendency to break into puns, memes and ribald jokes at the drop of a hat.

That's us.

Morons just want to laugh and have fun.
Often at our own expense.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:07 AM (ptqRm)

164
"Pride and Prejudice" is verbal and mental chess.



That you have to understand that what's going on in the minds is foremost.



Most 16-year old boys are focused on the physical aspects of
everything and aren't even awar of subtle thoughts or feelings. So are
most 16-year old teenage girls. Romance might reel them in, but this is
NOT a romance novel in any way or form.

Posted by: Trump's Stubby Fingers at May 15, 2016 11:04 AM (SJ184)
=====
I always saw PandP as social satire, not as a romance. Emma is another one --

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 11:08 AM (MIKMs)

165 I'm not much for modern horror stories but did get a copy of 'Great Tales of Terror and The Supernatural'. The collection is mostly from the 19th century and I enjoy that writing. The stories, like the scientific wonders in Jules Verne or explorations in Haggard, aren't the stale ghosts of today. The writing was fresh and original for the time and that shows in the writing. This is the kind of book that stays at hand so you can taste a story when in the mood. The book is huge but the individual tales are not. Fun reading on a clouded, windy night.

Posted by: JTB at May 15, 2016 11:10 AM (V+03K)

166 You will be made to love pantsuits.

/HRC

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 15, 2016 11:10 AM (NeFrd)

167 Um, I have a caller from one of the voices in my head asking if wearing pants on your head counts?
Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:03 AM (7lVbc)


Wubble.

Posted by: Captain Edmund Blackadder at May 15, 2016 11:10 AM (ry34m)

168 My internet connection is getting wonky. Hope I can continue to post today.

Posted by: JTB at May 15, 2016 11:11 AM (V+03K)

169 The meanest pst misbegotten sons of bitches, with the rudest most off color tendency to break into puns, memes and ribald jokes at the drop of a hat.


--

Right after you post that Muldoon shows up.
It's uncanny, uncanny I say!

*waves to Seamus*

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:11 AM (7lVbc)

170 A Libertarian Party debate?

Wouldn't they just keep forgetting the topic, and get back to explaining why hemp is the greatest plant EVAR?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 15, 2016 11:12 AM (Dj0WE)

171 159 I'm convinced that the way to win the culture war is to be the side having fun.

I think so too, and its pretty obvious the other guys are miserable.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:04 AM (39g3+)


I think this is one of Alinsky's rules, by the way.

Not being miserable, but the having fun part.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:12 AM (BbOP8)

172 "I think so too, and its pretty obvious the other guys are miserable."

You think?

http://giphy.com/gifs/trigglypuff-o6SQRR0Etm90Y

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:12 AM (ptqRm)

173 101 Cool Breeze

Thanks for the recommendations. The "to read" list just got longer.

Posted by: Zoltan at May 15, 2016 11:14 AM (JYer2)

174 Downloaded the ebook '399 Super Easy Chess Tactics' by Brennan and Carson who do the Tactics Time books. It is for the absolute chess beginner to practice recognizing capture moves and, sometimes, mate moves. It really helps you notice those opportunities. The ebook is well set up: the problem on one page and the solution on the next. Very basic, just what I need.

Posted by: JTB at May 15, 2016 11:15 AM (V+03K)

175 lly gave up on it after expecting another good one to come and not
getting it. Too bad I have a bunch of the hard covers now. I may donate
them to the library.


The wise and ancient Vic reminded me: I just put up my own Little Free Library for the entertainment of my neighbors! Excellent way to hand on books I've read and don't want to keep, or pass on "popular" books that are carefully removed with tongs lest the glop get on me. Already have people riffling through to find an interesting book!

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at May 15, 2016 11:15 AM (GG9V6)

176
I think this is one of Alinsky's rules, by the way.


Being miserable might be one of his rules, but its where his rule system inevitably leads you to be.

There is no joy in that approach. Only constant bitterness and attack.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:15 AM (39g3+)

177 "It's uncanny, uncanny I say! "

The HiveMind at work

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:15 AM (ptqRm)

178 I just put up my own Little Free Library for the entertainment of my neighbors!

I seed the local ones with my books. Its very rewarding to see that they aren't in the libraries after a short time. Either someone is burning them all in contempt, or they get grabbed and read

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:16 AM (39g3+)

179 Hollow Mass sounds very interesting

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:18 AM (39g3+)

180 Alinsky is an evil genius, and not in a good way. Sociopath.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:18 AM (7lVbc)

181 The heck with it.

Just pulled the trigger on "You will be made to care"

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:19 AM (ptqRm)

182 You think?

http://giphy.com/gifs/trigglypuff-o6SQRR0Etm90Y

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:12 AM (ptqRm)


Search on YouTube for 'Trigglypuff' and you'll be astounded at the sheer number of results.

Trigglypuff is the gift that just keeps on giving.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:21 AM (BbOP8)

183 I think this is one of Alinsky's rules, by the way.

Not being miserable, but the having fun part.


Remember Hillary on stage with her Herd of Dancing Pant-suited Bison? Girls just wanna have fu-un.

Posted by: t-bird at May 15, 2016 11:23 AM (ANVXm)

184 The heck with it.

Just pulled the trigger on "You will be made to care"
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:19 AM (ptqRm)


I think I already know the story, and how it turns out. I'm not sure I need anybody to explain the now to me. I'm looking backwards. Now that I have the time, I have Walter Lippman's "The Public Philosophy" sitting here, as I type.


Time is now.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 15, 2016 11:23 AM (Dj0WE)

185 "Trigglypuff is the gift that just keeps on giving."

I sometimes think that could have been a turning point.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:23 AM (ptqRm)

186 What I like about that poor girl is that its putting eyeballs on Crowder and company. People who never would have been exposed to their speeches and commentary are now because of her childish, ridiculous tantrum and ghastly behavior.

If she wasn't such a unique physical specimen it wouldn't have worked out this way, but she's becoming the face of the anti-SJW movement.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:24 AM (39g3+)

187 Trigglypuff is the gift that just keeps on giving.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:21 AM (BbOP
***
Sadly, she'll end up being, as I said last week, part of a vision of the future.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 11:25 AM (lutOX)

188 I seed the local ones with my books. Its very
rewarding to see that they aren't in the libraries after a short time.
Either someone is burning them all in contempt, or they get grabbed and
read Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:16 AM (39g3+)
=====

One of the few times I got real respect from my kids growing up is when I cleared out my SF/Fantasy shelves and donated to the HS book drive. Apparently, the kids were awestruck that the stuff I was donating was grabbed immediately. smdh

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 11:25 AM (MIKMs)

189 And if you self-identify as a daisy, your petals must be modest and demure.

Is there any correlation between petal size and finger length? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Teh Donald at May 15, 2016 11:25 AM (OF/aZ)

190 I wish chess.com let you use animated gifs as avatars, because I would totally make Trigglypuff mine.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 11:25 AM (Wckf4)

191 " but she's becoming the face of the anti-SJW movement."

I would disagree...
I think she has become the face of the SJW movement.

Writ large.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:26 AM (ptqRm)

192 180 Alinsky is an evil genius, and not in a good way. Sociopath.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:18 AM (7lVbc)


One of my very first book threads was about Alinsky - apparently he was mobbed up pretty good back in Chicago. I thought that was noteworthy.

And his "rules for radicals" are generic and flexible enough that you don't have to be a left-wing loon to use them to your benefit.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:27 AM (BbOP8)

193 "http://giphy.com/gifs/trigglypuff-o6SQRR0Etm90Y"

Jee. Zus.

Mind putting up a warning or something?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 15, 2016 11:27 AM (9ym/8)

194 190 I wish chess.com let you use animated gifs as avatars, because I would totally make Trigglypuff mine.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 11:25 AM (Wckf4)

Great tactic to make your opponent's brain shrivel in revulsion.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:27 AM (7lVbc)

195 Is identifying as wearing pants while you are buck naked good enough for the book thread? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Zoltan at May 15, 2016 11:27 AM (JYer2)

196 Its sort of odd, the people I know who most agree with all the social justice lunatics push also are repulsed by the social justice warrior antics. Its like they support the ideas but are horrified by their behavior.

But not in a connected way. Its like they totally disassociate themselves from the process: that attempt to silence free speech is terrible! But they have nothing to do with me or what I believe in!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:28 AM (39g3+)

197 I believe that Alinski-ism is systemic domestic abuse brought to politics.

But that is a belief shared by no-one.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 15, 2016 11:28 AM (ry34m)

198 The ironicalish thing 'bout the book thread is, as interesting as it can be, it makes me want to turn off the computer and go sit down with my latest dead trees read.

And it's not even that great a read!

Posted by: mindful webworker - click at your own risk at May 15, 2016 11:28 AM (3CXto)

199 Trigglypuff is the gift that just keeps on giving.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:21 AM (BbOP
***
Sadly, she'll end up being, as I said last week, part of a vision of the future.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 11:25 AM (lutOX)


Sad truth is, you will get a trickle of youngsters who will look at that, then look at this, and think "good grief, I didn't sign up for this."


But the vast majority are going to follow the crowd, as they always do.


The crowd says your daughters will be sluts, and your sons will carry purses.


We're still losing, it would be nice if we weren't, but we are.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 15, 2016 11:28 AM (Dj0WE)

200 And his "rules for radicals" are generic and
flexible enough that you don't have to be a left-wing loon to use them
to your benefit. Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:27 AM (BbOP
=====

Nobody reads 'The Prince' any more.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 11:29 AM (MIKMs)

201 I have . . . er . . . Donald has models, the very best looking, with beautiful breast, calling him.

Posted by: John Miller, PR Person at May 15, 2016 11:29 AM (2X7pN)

202 One of my very first book threads was about Alinsky - apparently he was mobbed up pretty good back in Chicago. I thought that was noteworthy.


--

D'Souza talks about Alinsky' s mob connections in his recent book (the one about his conviction & sentence).

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:30 AM (7lVbc)

203 "The crowd says your daughters will be sluts, and your sons will carry purses. "

Who was it that posted the new lyrics for Paradise City here the other day?


Take me down to Transgender City

Where the girls have dicks...

And the guys have titties ....

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:31 AM (ptqRm)

204 There is a groundswell of fiction and non fiction attacking the lunatic left, not sure how far that's likely to go. The problem is that kind of cultural shift can work, but it takes generations. By that time, the US will be a cross between Cold War Albania and Burkina Faso.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:31 AM (39g3+)

205 Sadly, she'll end up being, as I said last week, part of a vision of the future.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 11:25 AM (lutOX)


Ha. I'm still laughing at that line:

"If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine Trigglypuff, sitting on your face forever.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 08, 2016 10:38 AM (lutOX) "

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:31 AM (BbOP8)

206 Nobody reads 'The Prince' any more.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 11:29 AM (MIKMs)

I actually read The Prince when I was around 5th grade. I was desperately going through every book in the house. Summer vacation with no tv will do that to a kid.
I should reread it sometime.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:32 AM (7lVbc)

207
Here's a family who shd be deported. They came here from Somali. 13 kids and dad split about 12 years ago. Son #1 joined some terrorist group in 2007 in Somalia and hasnt been heard from since. Hopefully, he's dead. Son #2 has tried numerous times to leave country and join ISIS. Once family stopped him and other times custom blocked him. However, when he tried again a year ago he as arrested and charged and is currently standing trial. Son #3 was arrested when he threatened FBI agents and their interpreter. Son #4 was arrested when he carried in scissors with 6" blades and was caught taking photos of the courthouse elevator. When ordered to hand over camera, he instead handed over a second camera. The big mouth sisters claim that their brothers will be exonerated and everyone is picking on the family. They whine that they were traumatized by living in a Kenyan refugee camp. Regardless on how bad the camp may have or may not have been, that was for a brief time over 25 years ago. Yet, we are still going to keep letting these assholes into this country. smh

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 15, 2016 11:33 AM (iQIUe)

208 Books for boys...when I was a young 'un my dad read aloud several books by Ernest Thompson Seton to my brother and me. We loved them, most of them are wildlife tales such as "Biography of a Grizzly". Most of his books are rated at Good Reads, and of course Wiki.

Posted by: JHW at May 15, 2016 11:33 AM (kn0BL)

209 Le NOOD

Open

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:34 AM (ptqRm)

210 I may be overly optimistic, but I think Trigglypuff might just prove to be the moment when the SJW movement jumped the shark.

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 11:34 AM (sdi6R)

211 Who was it that posted the new lyrics for Paradise City here the other day?

Take me down to Transgender City

Where the girls have dicks...

And the guys have titties ....
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 15, 2016 11:31 AM (ptqRm)


Egad,that is awful and funny, and then just awful all over.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 15, 2016 11:35 AM (Dj0WE)

212 I though The Prince was a fascinating read, its more a satire than a serious attempt to tell people how to behave, but its a very keen insight into human nature and where that goes if you have no moral foundation. Rules for Radicals is a non-ironical The Prince, it fully embraces the lack of morality and truth in someone and uses that to gain power at any cost.

I reject using that in any way for us. Its not turning the enemy's tools against them, its opening our own concentration camp and Jew-Skin Lampshade shop.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:35 AM (39g3+)

213
I havent read anything about Ms. Segal's parents. Have to wonder what kind of people they are.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 15, 2016 11:36 AM (iQIUe)

214 ***"I think Trigglypuff might just prove to be the moment when the SJW movement jumped the shark."***


That happened awhile ago, but they still have all the power.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 15, 2016 11:37 AM (Wckf4)

215 206 Nobody reads 'The Prince' any more.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 11:29 AM (MIKMs)

I actually read The Prince when I was around 5th grade. I was desperately going through every book in the house. Summer vacation with no tv will do that to a kid.
I should reread it sometime.
Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:32 AM (7lVbc)
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Worth a read. Then, Strauss' 'Thoughts on Machiavelli' as you go through Nick's 'Discourses on Livy.'

People judge Nick by 'The Prince,' but a careful reading of his "Discourses" paints quite a different picture of the man's thought.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 15, 2016 11:37 AM (lutOX)

216 210 I may be overly optimistic, but I think Trigglypuff might just prove to be the moment when the SJW movement jumped the shark.

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 11:34 AM (sdi6R)


That's what I'm hoping, too, but then, come Monday, we'll get a heaping helping of fresh stupid, and I'll think, oh well, maybe not.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:39 AM (BbOP8)

217 I am slogging through a very well-written zombie book called "The Hunt Chronicles:Volume 1 Awakening"

The slogging is my fault: too busy these days.

Posted by: eman at May 15, 2016 11:41 AM (MQEz6)

218 Well, its not whether the SJW's keep doing crazy stuff or not, its how people respond to and perceive them. Mostly I think that girl revealed what was going on to a larger crowd of people and they found it just as distasteful and childish as the rest of us.

Remember, Happy Days was on season 5 when Fonzie jumped the shark. It went on for 11 total seasons.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:42 AM (39g3+)

219 160 "Pride and Prejudice" is verbal and mental chess.
That you have to understand that what's going on in the minds is foremost.

Most 16-year old boys are focused on the physical aspects of everything and aren't even aware of subtle thoughts or feelings. So are most 16-year old teenage girls. Romance might reel them in, but this is NOT a romance novel in any way or form.
Posted by: Trump's Stubby Fingers at May 15, 2016
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Hmmm. I dunno. Adolescents as a rule are very interested in psychology and attuned to feeeelings --- especially their own. It's an emotional, introspective stage.

As a mother of 2 boys and 2 girls, well accustomed to the difference in taste between the sexes (not to mention among individuals,) I was rather surprised to find that ALL FOUR of my kids liked Crime and Punishment very much. Why?

The best explanation I can come up with is that, in adolescence, BOTH sexes are fascinated by the inner-workings of the mind. C&P, after all, is primarily a psychological novel. For the males, there is enough physical action and concrete description to sustain interest. For the females there is enough sentiment.
And, of course, for the intellectually inclined, there is plenty of food for thought.









Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 15, 2016 11:42 AM (T/5A0)

220 My impression is that The Prince was written when Macchiavelli was trying to butter up Cesare Borgia.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 11:42 AM (7lVbc)

221 193 "http://giphy.com/gifs/trigglypuff-o6SQRR0Etm90Y"

Jee. Zus.

Mind putting up a warning or something?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 15, 2016 11:27 AM (9ym/


You would think a workout like that would be effective for weight loss.

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 11:42 AM (sdi6R)

222 Son #2 has tried numerous times to leave country and join ISIS. Once family stopped him and other times custom blocked him. However, when he tried again a year ago he as arrested and charged and is currently standing trial.

You know, I'm starting to think that if these jihadi types want to join ISIS, it is in our best interests to just let them go. Either they'll get killed, or they'll fester the rest of their lives away in some third-world crap-hole. Either way, they're not in this country making mischief and we save on welfare costs to boot.

So just let 'em go.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:42 AM (BbOP8)

223 You would think a workout like that would be effective for weight loss.

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 11:42 AM (sdi6R)


Or at least give her arms some muscle tone.

But there must've been some sonic booms caused by her rapidly flapping masses of arm flab.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:44 AM (BbOP8)

224 People judge Nick by 'The Prince,' but a careful
reading of his "Discourses" paints quite a different picture of the
man's thought. Posted by: Uncle Palpatine, etc at May 15, 2016 11:37 AM (lutOX)
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In my youthful days (60s-70s), Nick was analyzed as a dangerous 'republican' radical and his offering to his own prince was a handy-dandy guide to keep himself out of jail. Nowadays, 'machiavellian' is a vague slur. Pratchett did it best with his Lord Vetinari character -- the benevolent despot.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 11:46 AM (MIKMs)

225 Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:42 AM (BbOP

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I hate the idea of them killing any innocent people, especially Americans.

Mom is whining that he is in solitary. The reason he is in solitary is that he keeps breaking the jail rules and she knows it.

The Ethiopians arent aholes. What makes them different from the Somalians? Oh, yeah, religion.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 15, 2016 11:47 AM (iQIUe)

226 221 193 "http://giphy.com/gifs/trigglypuff-o6SQRR0Etm90Y"

Jee. Zus.

Mind putting up a warning or something?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 15, 2016 11:27 AM (9ym/


Heh. I would've thought that the character string 'trigglypuff' in the URL was warning enough.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 11:49 AM (BbOP8)

227 Ethiopia has one of the oldest Christian communities in the world. So their culture has had a very positive influence over the centuries, if fading these days.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:49 AM (39g3+)

228 Pants: A Love Story Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 10:58 AM (7lVbc)
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But the 'sisterhood' might object.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 11:50 AM (MIKMs)

229 The guy was part of a group who discussed smuggling jihadis into this country to commit acts of terrorism:

http://goo.gl/3ZIBE7

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 15, 2016 11:50 AM (iQIUe)

230 Althouse has an interesting entry discussing the writings and passing of Katherine Dunn. I've never read Geek Love, haven't heard of it, actually. Is any Moron familiar with it?

Posted by: AtlJim at May 15, 2016 11:52 AM (KtpTY)

231 My favorite Trigglypuff gif is the one with the "ragemeter" at the bottom.

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1112241-trigglypuff

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 11:52 AM (sdi6R)

232 That's my favorite too, rickl. It made me laugh so hard. Because its not so much cruel as just giggling at something. Its not mocking her for being fat and ugly or something its just having fun with the timing and sequence.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 11:55 AM (39g3+)

233
Those are really strange gestures she makes. I've never seen anything like that outside of a drummer. Who teaches that? I sort of feel sorry for her bc I think she is mentally ill.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 15, 2016 11:55 AM (iQIUe)

234 I though The Prince was a fascinating read, its more a satire than a serious attempt to tell people how to behave

If you're interested in the sequel, check out the "Dialogue in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu", which I strongly recommend. Wicked takedown of Napoleon III and still topical for Barryochus Epiphanes.

(Later on, some Russian halfwits plagiarised it for the "Protocols". That's why it's still semi-famous. But that's not the fault of the original author.)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 15, 2016 11:56 AM (6FqZa)

235 so, back to books: I am reading the third Ivory book by Doris Egan, Guilt Edged Ivory. It is a murder-mystery-romance-fantasy AND science-fiction book. An extremely civilized scholar winds up marooned on a planet that is basically a crony-imperial political system sitting on top of a black-market economy, finds herself love and magic.

Egan is interesting. She is one of the best banter writers I have ever read, and has such a wonderful grasp of the easy bitchyness between stressed people who actually like and respect each other. Which is why she is now writing for television, I suspect.

The third book, which is a murder mystery where the magic used to kill the noble host on a party on board a canal boat is easily determined, but everyone wanted the host dead, so the detecting comes down to motive. With a denoument that is like the most dramatic of Noir mysteries full of tradgedy and shattered futures.

I keep hoping she will write more books, but she appears to be writing for Michael Bay now.

But I also, on the third read, picked up that the main character is looking around at this supposedly morally broken planet and realizing that there is a lot of relief in not being made to care about hyper-civilized academic minutiae and invented crises and the correct thought and the judgement of your peers and character assassination.

(and I wonder if that is not a thing, a wedge to approach the whole PC think: Come join the Dark Side, we have cookies and we don't care what you think about Belgium's Walloon policy either)

Posted by: Kindltot at May 15, 2016 11:58 AM (ry34m)

236 I have read 3 of Ace Atkins' Spenser books. Once Robert Parker died, he and another author took over writing Spenser novels to keep the money train going. Parker's last couple of Spenser books were pretty bad, so that was a low bar to hop over, but at first Atkins couldn't quite capture the mood and feel of Spenser. His first book was far too complicated, dense, and Atkins-like. The third however was much more like Parker's tone. He's even doing a pretty good job with the dialog, although nobody has Parker's gift for quick, hilarious chatter.

One big advantage of Atkins over Parker, however, is that he seems to be less fond of Susan, so she's just not in the book that much. Parker fell into a really annoying pattern of alternating every chapter with Spenser doing things and then Spenser talking to Susan about the case. I started just skipping every other chapter and found I missed nothing. As in, those chapters added zero to the story and were utterly unnecessary.

Atkins is sort of phasing her out, which is fine by me, but might annoy some Spenser readers.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:04 PM (39g3+)

237 89
Tom Brown's Schooldays, about young boys at
Rugby School in the 1830s. There's a lot of Schooldays in the Harry
Potter novels,


including, apparently, a largely incomprehensible "sport".

Posted by: Anachronda at May 15, 2016 12:05 PM (Oi5b2)

238 re: Andrew Branca

He also blogs at Legal Insurrection. His own site, linked by OM, looks to be mostly about promoting his book. But, he blogs about legal issues and especially gun and self-defense issue at LI. He is currently keeping tabs on the Freddie Gray case.
http://tinyurl.com/3o8p8px

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 15, 2016 12:06 PM (R+30W)

239 I'm in the early stages of plotting out a techno-thriller novel set in the Age of Obama. The MacGuffin is "Operation Short Eyes," a sinister plot by rogue Federal agencies to endanger the nation's schoolchildren through savage enforcement of illegal executive orders. Tentative title is "The Scum of All Queers."

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 15, 2016 12:08 PM (/f6Nd)

240 101
The Tears of Autumn (#2, who really killed JFK: he brought it on himself)

So, like Red Dwarf, then?

Posted by: Anachronda at May 15, 2016 12:15 PM (Oi5b2)

241 239 I'm in the early stages of plotting out a techno-thriller novel set in the Age of Obama. The MacGuffin is "Operation Short Eyes," a sinister plot by rogue Federal agencies to endanger the nation's schoolchildren through savage enforcement of illegal executive orders. Tentative title is "The Scum of All Queers."

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 15, 2016 12:08 PM (/f6Nd)

++++

"Short Eyes" is commonly used to describe child molesters. Law enforcement is well-aware of the moniker. It seems pretty unlikely that they would use the label to describe themselves or children in general. If something were to be called "Operation Short Eyes", it would almost certainly be an operation targeting child molesters or those that help them.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 15, 2016 12:15 PM (R+30W)

242 Posted by: Anachronda at May 15, 2016 12:05 PM (Oi5b2)

To top it off, League City, TX is quite proud to be hosting the International Quidditch Finals this fall, ask me how I know (or, don't)

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 15, 2016 12:15 PM (phT8I)

243 Enjoyed this article from a professor at the US Marine War College on how wargaming helps his students understand Thucydides (and other conflicts): http://warontherocks.com/2016/04/wargaming-in-the-classroom-an-odyssey/ Note that 4 out of 5 Athenian teams still attacked Syracuse.

Has AoS ever done a wargaming thread?

Posted by: dwinnorcal at May 15, 2016 12:17 PM (3OTR8)

244 I have a question about era appropriate cursing.
On the tv is Fury, set in World War 2. The American soldiers are, when in dire straights, saying F--k! a lot. Is this realistic for the time period? I kinda thought "God damn it!" and "Summabitch!" was about as serious cussing as you could get back then.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 12:18 PM (7lVbc)

245 RE: Goodreads group. "Hi"

Posted by: AtlJim at May 15, 2016 12:21 PM (KtpTY)

246 Has AoS ever done a wargaming thread?

Posted by: dwinnorcal at May 15, 2016 12:17 PM (3OTR

++++

If you count longbows vs crossbows as wargaming:
http://tinyurl.com/gmk8r8u

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 15, 2016 12:22 PM (R+30W)

247 Posted by: AtlJim at May 15, 2016 12:21 PM (KtpTY)

Gotcha

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 12:23 PM (7lVbc)

248 "Short Eyes" is commonly used to describe child molesters. Law enforcement is well-aware of the moniker. It seems pretty unlikely that they would use the label to describe themselves or children in general. If something were to be called "Operation Short Eyes", it would almost certainly be an operation targeting child molesters or those that help them.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 15, 2016 12:15 PM (R+30W)


Alrighty, then. Maybe they should call it "Operation Short Hairs."

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 12:26 PM (BbOP8)

249 244 I have a question about era appropriate cursing.
On the tv is Fury, set in World War 2. The American soldiers are, when in dire straights, saying F--k! a lot. Is this realistic for the time period? I kinda thought "God damn it!" and "Summabitch!" was about as serious cussing as you could get back then.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 12:18 PM (7lVbc)

++++

I wouldn't doubt that you are right. The same thing came up with the HOB show Deadwood. The creators said they felt if the went with the profanities of the era, it would just sound silly to a modern audience. Dang nab it!

I would rather they stay authentic to the period. That is one of them main draws for me to watch something set in a different time/place: to see how people were then and there. But, I guess I can understand why the creators want to avoid people laughing at something when they are not going for laughs.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 15, 2016 12:27 PM (R+30W)

250 The American soldiers are, when in dire straights, saying F--k! a lot. Is this realistic for the time period?

I have no personal experience, but from what I understand talking to old soldiers... yeah, pretty much anything goes in combat. When bullets are whizzing by, you get less concerned over being rude or offending someone with your language. They were just as foul as today; there's a reason that 'swearing like a sailor' means something.

What's changed is that everyone talks like a David Mamet script today no matter where they are or how stressed they are. Its one thing to drop an F-Bomb when you close your hand in the car door, but its another when you just typed an L instead of a K in your text message.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:28 PM (39g3+)

251 Enjoyed this article from a professor at the US Marine War College on how wargaming helps his students understand Thucydides (and other conflicts):

There is a movement to teach kids math, psychology, philosophy, engineering, art, etc using role playing games. Its a great idea, I learned a ton of stuff from playing, running, and creating stuff for gaming.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:29 PM (39g3+)

252 The Trannies of Deadwood.

Posted by: Authentic frontier gibberish at May 15, 2016 12:29 PM (k4M/B)

253 Alrighty, then. Maybe they should call it "Operation Short Hairs."

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 12:26 PM (BbOP

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lol. That might work. Short Eyes, as explained to me by Burt Reynolds in one of his old flicks, is used to describe the molesters because they are always looking low, at the kids, so short-eyes.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 15, 2016 12:33 PM (R+30W)

254 There is a movement to teach kids math, psychology, philosophy, engineering, art, etc using role playing games. Its a great idea, I learned a ton of stuff from playing, running, and creating stuff for gaming.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:29 PM (39g3+)

I'd love to learn more about this.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 12:42 PM (7lVbc)

255 I would rather they stay authentic to the period. That is one of them main draws for me to watch something set in a different time/place: to see how people were then and there.

--

Me too!

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 12:46 PM (7lVbc)

256 I found Deadwood's dialog to be too profanity-laced and stilted. The guy thought he was writing frontier Shakespeare or something. Its one thing to have one character that speaks that way (say, Justified with Goggins' hillbilly) but everyone?

Its not that people from the old west were dumb hick cartoons. They didn't all drawl like a sidekick in an old western serial. Many of the people who went out west were from very rich families in Europe, sons who had no inheritance or future in their family, so they'd take money and buy land to build a future for themselves. Lots of them had very good educations and vocabularies.

But they didn't talk like that. It was too stylized and formalized, uncomfortably so. Loren Estelman's westerns give a better feel for it (think: Doc Holliday in Tombstone).

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:47 PM (39g3+)

257 There is a movement to teach kids math, psychology, philosophy, engineering, art, etc using role playing games.

Build your own trebuchet and challenge the kids in a nearby neighborhood

Posted by: cool breeze at May 15, 2016 12:48 PM (ckvus)

258 A few interesting books: ... read in public
http://tinyurl.com/z6u428p

Posted by: g6loq at May 15, 2016 12:48 PM (zj+JZ)

259 "Short Eyes" is commonly used to describe child molesters. Law enforcement is well-aware of the moniker. It seems pretty unlikely that they would use the label to describe themselves or children in general. If something were to be called "Operation Short Eyes", it would almost certainly be an operation targeting child molesters or those that help them.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 15, 2016 12:15 PM (R+30W)

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Remember, the setting is the Obama Age. Executive Branch scunbags commit crimes more or less openly and then boast about it to reporters. The more brazen the sinister plot, the better. I'm not going to slavishly copy Tom Clancy -- times have changed. Where he had secrecy, I'll have trolling. Where he depicted competence and integrity, I'll show incomptence and snivelling wretchedness. (Remember the state-of-the art US stealth drone that was hacked and made a perfect landing on a runway in Iran?) This book will practically write itself.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 15, 2016 12:49 PM (/f6Nd)

260 Here's the roleschooling article I saw. I'm in contact with them, possibly to work on some products to help parents

http://www.travelingkids.com/roleschooling-concept/

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:50 PM (39g3+)

261 Where he had secrecy, I'll have trolling. Where he depicted competence and integrity, I'll show incomptence and snivelling wretchedness.

This sounds Idiocracy-level genius. I mean that as a compliment, its a terrific concept. And yeah, in that setting? A stupid name that would offend or annoy law enforcement makes sense. I could see Harff coming up with that name and thinking it was genius.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:53 PM (39g3+)

262 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:47 PM (39g3+)

I agree 100%. I didn't like the show at first. Profanity doesn't bother me in the slightest, but it seemed out of place for that setting. But even more so was the overly literate way the characters spoke. As you say, like the writers were going for something Shakespearean. I did end up coming to like the show - very much in fact - but it was in spite of the style of dialogue, not because of it.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 15, 2016 12:54 PM (R+30W)

263 *wanders in bleary eyed and waves*

Do I want to read what has been posted?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 15, 2016 12:55 PM (UfZZo)

264 I am going to have to find some books about profanity through history.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 12:55 PM (7lVbc)

265 Psst Anna, one of your ears is inside out

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:57 PM (39g3+)

266 Nyah?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 15, 2016 12:57 PM (UfZZo)

267 You can tell your power utility is publicly regulated by the checkbox to donate cash for the deadbeats who are not paying for power.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at May 15, 2016 01:04 PM (dMoB0)

268 I'm waiting somebody else should write a sequel and title it "You're Not Applauding Loudly Enough".

Hey, in the People's Utopia of North Korea (PUNK) happy utopians were re-educated in labor camps for not CRYING enough when the last Dear Leader died. We know what a Liberty-Loving paradise PUNK is.

Posted by: Mr. Ed at May 15, 2016 01:06 PM (G57fe)

269 You'll work harder with a gun in your back for a bowl of rice a day

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 01:07 PM (39g3+)

270 Sharing my main contribution for the week first: finally, after about two years since I first heard the project was in development, I got to see BILL last night. It's the Horrible Histories movie about Shakespeare's Lost Years--fiction, but based on fact (and some scholarly conjecture, like what Christopher Marlowe did when he wasn't writing), and now out on Region 1 DVD. I can't even tell you many details about it without giving away some jokes that are twice as hilarious when you're not expecting them, but it is a well-made, well-written movie and well acted both by the main troupe and by the guest stars. A+, would LOL again.

And now to catch up on the comments....

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at May 15, 2016 01:09 PM (vRQPU)

271 Sgt. Mom -

I just bought your first book, it looks delightful. Looking forward to reading it.

Posted by: Dr Alice at May 15, 2016 01:13 PM (MheDv)

272 I cannot find Hollow Mass on Amazon or anywhere else, I wish I knew the author's name. Maybe its on the Goodreads author list.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 01:14 PM (39g3+)

273 OK managed to dig it up on Goodreads: J.P. Mac is the author.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 01:16 PM (39g3+)

274 Horrible Histories movie about Shakespeare's Lost Years
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Elisabeth G. Wolfe -- We LOVED those books, so I hope the movie is a continuation of the tradition.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 01:21 PM (MIKMs)

275 250
there's a reason that 'swearing like a sailor' means something.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 12:28 PM (39g3+)


No doubt about it. I'm sure ancient Phoenician sailors swore just as much as today's American sailors, but they must have used different words. That's what votermom was getting at.

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 01:25 PM (sdi6R)

276 Terry Pratchett is Austen-like in his handling of characters, and an easy sell to sixteen-year olds of either sex. And his names are far better than Dickens's.

Not that Austen isn't worth reading in her own right, but mature readers will get more out of her.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at May 15, 2016 01:27 PM (U4QC6)

277 There was recently a NYT column all about how they didn't understand why the western canon is even read

Which is why I can't/won't teach at most schools--I'm going to teach my beloved old dead white guys, and the SJWs can just lump it. But as it happens, I had a black student in my BritLit class this semester who confessed at the end of the course that she'd been afraid to study the classics and that I'd helped her get over her fears!

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at May 15, 2016 01:31 PM (vRQPU)

278 Bought 4 LOSD. I think they will make good Father's Day gifts.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at May 15, 2016 01:34 PM (rwI+c)

279 Elisabeth - does Bill have even more in-jokes about Shakespeare than Shakespeare in Love?
Definitely looking forward to watching it myself, if so...

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at May 15, 2016 01:38 PM (oK6A/)

280 Re: The Prince being based on Cesare Borgia: that actually comes up in the Horrible Histories song "The Borgia Family" (the tune of which is "The Addams Family" upside down).

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at May 15, 2016 01:47 PM (vRQPU)

281 Terry Pratchett is Austen-like in his handling of characters

I think that might have been why I don't care for his books. Because they are satirical deconstructions of fantasy themes and characters. Some stuff is so silly and ridiculous to begin with it doesn't need mockery or satire. Its a clever inversion just to take it seriously to begin with.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 01:57 PM (39g3+)

282 Oregon Muse, for pictures of a bookstore look to El Ateneo Gran Splendid in Buenos Aires.

I would hate to have their overhead.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 15, 2016 01:57 PM (ry34m)

283 Most libertarians are for pure freedom of association. They definitely discuss the cake-baking issue at reason a lot.

Gary Johnson is gay, which is why he may be breaking freedom of association.

YMMV.

Posted by: sexypig at May 15, 2016 01:58 PM (dZQh7)

284 We LOVED those books, so I hope the movie is a continuation of the tradition.


Posted by: mustbequantum at May 15, 2016 01:21 PM (MIKMs)

Sort of--it's a continuation of the TV series, which is based on the books.
does Bill have even more in-jokes about Shakespeare than Shakespeare in Love?

Definitely looking forward to watching it myself, if so...

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at May 15, 2016 01:38 PM (oK6A/)

Haven't seen Shakespeare in Love, but yes, TONS of in-jokes, and some about Marlowe as well. Some very Pythonesque visual gags, too, and a couple of homages to Holy Grail.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at May 15, 2016 01:59 PM (vRQPU)

285 Dr. Alice - enjoy!

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at May 15, 2016 02:04 PM (oK6A/)

286 From SMFH's link:

"The goal of the warning system is to notify personnel of a threat within a 20-mile radius in 10 minutes or less, Carter said."

The warning system? Against active shooters attacking military facilities.

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick.

And what does "notification" do? At Fort Hood, there was plenty of goddamn notification. People were running down the halls warning their co-workers about the guy who was shooting everyone while yelling Allah Snackbar. Then the guy walked in and shot them, too.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 15, 2016 02:06 PM (noWW6)

287 10 minutes baby, you can protect yourself 10 minutes after being gunned down!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 02:07 PM (39g3+)

288 Finished 'Generation Kill' this week. Good first-hand account by an Embed of the participation by Marine Recon during Desert Storm. It was a hot mess, if you didn't know. Among the problems - collateral civilian deaths, and complete breakdown of civil order.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 15, 2016 02:08 PM (9mTYi)

289 Fuck isn't just period-appropriate for WWII, it's also correct for World War I. Apparently (among the English-speaking troops) that was when fuck became the all-purpose verb, adjective, adverb, preposition, etc. Robert Graves has a little essay about swearing which mentions that.

Before that, I suspect Damn was the main one, reserving Fuck for special occasions.

Which brings up an interesting question: now that sixth-grade girls say Fuck more often than they say please, what's the new frontier in swearing?

My suspicion is that it's the new category of forbidden language: n----r, k--e, f-g, c--t (in the British sense), and so on. You see it already in places on the Web like 4chan: those sites are transgressive and scary because people -- who aren't even black or gay! -- use n----r and f----t constantly.

It's hard to tell if this is cyclical or linear: will all transgressive words eventually become nursery-school vocabulary? Or will there be a reaction and everyone will take it down a notch?

Note: when I first wrote this I used no dashes and it got rejected by the spam filter. Look at what it didn't notice and what it did.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 15, 2016 02:12 PM (PkXaf)

290
You'll work harder with a gun in your back for a bowl of rice a day
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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Arbeit macht frei.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 15, 2016 02:13 PM (9mTYi)

291 off to get Hollow Mass on ye olde Kindle...

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 15, 2016 02:17 PM (6FqZa)

292 19 Good morning all. For those who have been following along:
From this date in 1944- Anzio, Italy .......
The EZ Dog Journal
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 15, 2016 09:12 AM

I bought this book (To Save Us All From Ruin) for my kindle late last year then I misplaced my kindle. I just turned over a stack of paper last week and found the kindle! The book about the Muldoon brothers is great! Stayed up to finish it. Well worth buying and reading this historical comedy. If that's the correct term. PIE-4 Forever.

Posted by: John Pomeroy at May 15, 2016 02:20 PM (B+K+e)

293 @289 thanks Trimegistus

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 02:21 PM (7lVbc)

294 Elizabethan swearing? The use of God's name was one means.

Little known fact: 'Zounds!' is a contraction of 'God's Wounds!'

Women were given to swearing my their chastity: 'I swear by my maidenhead'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 15, 2016 02:23 PM (9mTYi)

295 Hi! joining the bookclub. Partially because...books and stuff. Partly because a friend has written one about the "journey" with her sons recovery after being blown up in Iraq. The three psy-ops soldiers and the Iraqi interpreter with him were all killed. He has TBI and will never be the same. There has already been a movie, "The Corporals Diary" made about the event, now she has written a book from a mothers perspective about his recovery, battles with the VA to get him care, some of the amazing people involved with that care, and some of the Brass who moved mountains to get him what he needed.. "Just as he is Right Now"-Lisa Schuster. They are a great family, Matthew Drake the soldier wounded, is a great guy who remains amazingly upbeat most of the time...considering. I hope to encourage people to give the book a look, maybe drop a dime on it...all proceeds go to a trust for his support.

Posted by: birddog at May 15, 2016 02:26 PM (pYDR/)

296 It is "HALLOW Mass" - https://www.amazon.com/Hallow-Mass-Trilogy-Book-ebook/dp/B01D9LX8U0

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 15, 2016 02:29 PM (6FqZa)

297 294
Little known fact: 'Zounds!' is a contraction of 'God's Wounds!'
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 15, 2016 02:23 PM (9mTYi)


I've read that the British "bloody" originally derived from "God's blood", hence it's a swear word, as in "bloody awful", "bloody hot", and so on.

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2016 02:30 PM (sdi6R)

298 Hi

Posted by: TheStedj at May 15, 2016 02:31 PM (+oQ06)

299 Strewth is God's Truth, as well. Most old swearing was about God, the Bible, etc. There was even a weird period where Islamic influence made it fashionable to swear by Muhammad's beard etc in the middle ages, apparently. Not by Muslims, just people using swear words.

Irish still swear by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, apparently.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 02:34 PM (39g3+)

300 260 Here's the roleschooling article I saw. I'm in contact with them, possibly to work on some products to help parents

http://www.travelingkids.com/roleschooling-concept/
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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Thanks!

Posted by: dwinnorcal at May 15, 2016 02:39 PM (3OTR8)

301 Re: "Bill" and in-jokes...

There are lots of them, and since many are fans of Horrible Histories you know they don't take themselves seriously.

There were even a couple of pokes at "Shakespeare in Love," the funniest (to me) was when they started playing music that sounded an awful lot like the SiL theme.

Posted by: dwinnorcal at May 15, 2016 02:41 PM (3OTR8)

302 Solzhenitsyn, in __The Gulag Archipelago__, described a community meeting in which some speech ended with a ringing encomium to the Great Coryphaeus, Comrade Stalin. The audience stood and applauded. And applauded. And applauded. The applause went on. And on. And on. Five minutes. Ten minutes. Finally, the manager of the local factory sat. The relieved audience sat. That evening, the factory manager was arrested. The chekist who interrogated the factory manager said to him "never be the first to stop clapping".
You will be made to care.

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at May 15, 2016 02:49 PM (IbUUZ)

303 143 The secret password is just identifying yourself as Horde.
I just approved Andrew and a Pixy-banned Fishbreath.
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maybe I'm just dense. I joined goodreads, now how to I find the other morons?

Posted by: John Pomeroy at May 15, 2016 02:51 PM (B+K+e)

304 What book currently occupies the bedside table? Still chipping away at Mitterauer, __Why Europe: The Medieval Origins of Europe's Special Path__. Up next: Frank Dikotter's __The Cultural Revolution__, which I will be reading out of order since __Mao's Great Famine__ comes first historically and by publication date.

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at May 15, 2016 02:57 PM (IbUUZ)

305 I joined goodreads, now how to I find the other morons?

Click on the link in my sig or near the bottom of every recent Sunday Morning Book Thread, then follow the instructions.

Posted by: cool breeze at May 15, 2016 03:00 PM (ckvus)

306 I see some people mentioning HOLLOW MASS as a good book but I am not finding it on Amazon

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 15, 2016 03:07 PM (c4yY7)

307 "you'd think the Libertarian Party would be up front and center, loudly and insistently defending Christian florists and bakers"

Even Stossel was pretty complacent about the marriage diktat, aka Libertarianism by Statist Decree.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 15, 2016 03:22 PM (Ndje9)

308 The secret password is just identifying yourself as Horde.

...and the pants-check, unless you're an 'ette, in which case its all good

Posted by: cool breeze at May 15, 2016 03:30 PM (ckvus)

309 This week, in the wake of Trump's presumptive status as nominee, I read The Art of the Deal, seeking insight into the way he thinks. Like him or hate him, everyone should be able to agree that is worthwhile.

It turns out, the book is not quite what it seems on the tin but I'm still glad I read it. It is not a treatise on how to make a business deal: only a single chapter is devoted to this, containing the dozen or so broad principles by which he operates professionally. Decent advice, but nothing revolutionary.

The rest of the book is in fact an autobiography of his business life, though there is some overlap with his personal life, particularly early on. He has opinions about the decisions he made, and explains how he went about certain things, so I suppose one could make an argument for this being in the preview of deal-making advice. I still found it deceptive branding though, and it's apparently not uncommon in his books over the years. Perhaps a fact worth taking note of...

I'm still glad I read it, though. It was quite interesting and I left feeling as though I did have some insight into his thought process. There's also some details of his dealing with the city government, and he discusses his feeling abut some politicians, too. (He disliked both Carter and Reagan, and clearly hated Koch.) It's also something of a unique artifact amongst candidates in the modern era: It was a book about his life written before he ever had designs on office, though he undoubtedly had an interest in leaving you with a certain impression of himself. Here's what I took from it, with elaboration in the spirit of the book, that is, uncritically:

-He learned early on that showing fear is fatal. You do what you going to, and let the chips fall as they may without blinking.

-As he progressed, he learned how to play the press to his advantage, and has been doing it for 40 years.

-He made a point of talking, without apparent provocation, about the capable women in high-level positions in his company.

-If he's denied something, he'll persue it, even if the cost of pursuing it, or obtaining it is more than the objective itself. It's just the kind of guy he is.

-Trump describes Ed Koch as a bully. He says that bullies are fundamentally cowards, who are unable to take what they dish out. Although he's had a few dalliances with the left over the years, some quite recently (McAwful), it was still encouraging to see his accurate understanding of that human nature, and in a politician. Even if he hadn't realized then how widespread it was, it was still impressive, particularly in such terms--in a day when Ben Shapiro was 3.

Posted by: Yuge is the word at May 15, 2016 04:07 PM (+yQlE)

310 Patrick there is a link at 296

Posted by: Captain Ahab at May 15, 2016 04:08 PM (7lVbc)

311 Also, if I may query the horde: I'm looking for a good introductory book on the practice of journalism. It's something I've gotten interested in recently, and I figure someone here might know of a book without a lot of left-wing crap in it.

Posted by: Yuge is the word at May 15, 2016 04:11 PM (+yQlE)

312 Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 15, 2016 03:07 PM (c4yY7)

It's Hallow Mass by JP Mac.

Posted by: waelse1 at May 15, 2016 04:23 PM (kZFjr)

313 Last week, moronette Anna Puma provided a link to
GoT character arc generator. All you have to do is randomly choose an item from each of 3 columns,
and, hey presto, you've got yourself the basis for a new GoT sequel.


Tell me again, how computers won't replace creative types. It will be enjoyable to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the upper class tradesmen like lawyers when computers begin to take their jobs. It's about time they felt that specific pain.

Posted by: DFCtomm at May 15, 2016 05:24 PM (75u7k)

314 Tell me again, how computers won't replace creative types.

"That's just the story. What about the words?"--Bill Shakespeare, BILL
"Fool, said my muse to me, look in thy heart and write."--Sir Philip Sidney, Sonnet 1, Astrophil and Stella

There are only so many plots and so many tropes in the world, to be sure. But computers can never do more than recombine the words of past writers. They can't invent anything new that actually captures human reason, human emotion, and human virtue (or vice).
For that matter, computers might be able to replace paralegals, but I doubt they'd be able to argue a case in a courtroom or serve as judges--not unless we do away with trial by a jury of one's peers. Computers have no concept of mercy... and they're too easy to hack.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at May 15, 2016 05:42 PM (vRQPU)

315 Signing upfor the aoshq goodeads group, this is my obligatory "hi".

So after finishing Wilson's three part bio of TR I have decided to tackle Durant's Civilization (Will and Ariel, not Kevin). So far it's great, but he sometimes seems too eager for pithy turns of phrase.

Posted by: bigkahuna at May 15, 2016 05:42 PM (m1h2F)

316 78, Votermom, what a brilliant idea. Thank you!!!

There was a note in this morning's bulletin about them needing more people to sign up for certain hours of adoration, which goes on all night on Fridays.

Posted by: Tonestaple at May 15, 2016 05:46 PM (VsZJP)

317 Oregon Muse or Sabrina Chase, what is "Hollow Mass"? I don't get anything at amazon with that name. Can you provide a link? Thank you so much. I too wish to read of annoying people being eaten.

Posted by: Tonestaple at May 15, 2016 05:51 PM (VsZJP)

318 Anon Y. Mous: "238 re: Andrew Branca

He also blogs at Legal Insurrection. His own site, linked by OM, looks to be mostly about promoting his book. But, he blogs about legal issues and especially gun and self-defense issue at LI. He is currently keeping tabs on the Freddie Gray case.
http://tinyurl.com/3o8p8px"

I do a few blogs a week at my own site, at lawofselfdefense.co/blog, but we don't seem to get much traffic or comments there. Other than that, yes, my own site is for business purposes, so we use it to promote our book, seminars, instructor program, online courses, legal consulting, and so forth.

When I'm covering a big case closely, like the Zimmerman trial in 2013 or the travesty that is the "Freddie Gray" cases in Baltimore this, I invariably do so over at Legal Insurrection, because the traffic there is YUGE! :-)

In fact, I just did a lengthy post at Legal Insurrection on the first two days of the "Freddie Gray" trial of Officer Edward Nero, started last week, for those who might be interested: https://is.gd/oHGnW3

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at May 15, 2016 06:03 PM (oXF+7)

319 Grump928: "278 Bought 4 LOSD. I think they will make good Father's Day gifts."

Thanks a ton, that's much appreciated. They DO make good Father's Day gifts, or Mother's Day gifts, or a good gift for anyone who you'd prefer not spent much of the rest of their lives in jail if they've had to defend themselves. :-)

--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at May 15, 2016 06:08 PM (oXF+7)

320 Bigkahuna you are in the group now.

Posted by: @votermom at May 15, 2016 06:30 PM (7lVbc)

321 Sorry for the wrong title earlier, the book wherein SJWs get eaten is actually titled 'Hallow Mass' and here it is:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D9LX8U0/?tag=aoshq-20.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 15, 2016 07:45 PM (BbOP8)

322 Yes, if I go 3rd Party, it won't be for the Libertarians. If you won't defend our borders or won't defend freedom of religion, I won't vote for you.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at May 15, 2016 07:59 PM (xBAcy)

323 Constitution party continues to look good to me.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 15, 2016 08:01 PM (39g3+)

324 271: I've found that ALL of Sgt. Mom's books are good. Highly recommend "To Truckee's Trail" and the "Adelsverein" Trilogy. Not normally a fan of history, but when presented as a good story....

Posted by: Ranten N. Raven at May 15, 2016 11:26 PM (YGFs5)

325 I had a speed reading teacher in 7th grade who introduced me to Louis Lamour and the pulps (Edgar Rice Burroughs, Kenneh Robeson, etc.). I never had a reading or English teacher who was so good. Most of them ruined books for me by making me read between the lines.

Heck, all I wanted to do was read the dang thang.

My mom, who was a voracious reader introduced me to Georgette Heyer, probably me of the finest writers of all time.

Posted by: Natrium at May 16, 2016 01:21 AM (kEXLa)

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