Ted Cruz: Mitch McConnell Is, Straight-Up, Lying to Everyone

Drew referenced Cruz' floor speech earlier. Thanks to J Christian Adams, the video is below.

He's calling McConnell a liar. He's not hinting at it. He says it. Multiple times.

"He brought up his Obamacare amendment... which is a smokescreen, because it's intended to fail."

Hm! That's a pretty good insight.

Skip to 12:55 for the best part, as he gets into the part about McConnell's "corrupt," "cronyist" lies, but the whole thing is good.

More of this please.

By the way, I also hear they've got a Fake Sanctuary City bill in the works that they will trick conservatives into thinking actually gets rid of sanctuary cities, but in fact institutionalizes them.

Because, in their opinion, you are all "poor, uneducated, and easily led."

Begun, the Corporate Wars Have: After all those claims that we have to be united, and that we can't have these bitter primary fights, guess what? The US Chamber of Commerce is gearing up to take out the few conservatives willing to defy the Corporatist wing of the party.

As Andrew Breitbart said: "Fuck you. War."

Posted by: Ace at 12:57 PM




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1 So i suppose this IS what is needed, but i certainly feel suckered for believing the 'If you vote more of us in, we will repeal Obamacare '.

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 12:59 PM (nqBYe)

2 Word!

Posted by: Sambo at July 24, 2015 12:59 PM (9UV3C)

3 Looks like Cruz is getting serious about getting some air with the base.

Either that or its kabuki prearranged with McTurtle, forgive my cynicism.

Posted by: Gweg Sergeant (The Inferior Darrin) at July 24, 2015 12:59 PM (oVJmc)

4 and 1st! dances around on table top.

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 12:59 PM (nqBYe)

5 Ack, crap, damn sock.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 24, 2015 01:00 PM (oVJmc)

6 I can't credit him for a lot of credit on this. He didn't cover himself with glory on "The Deal" and he had made a lot of other comments I haven't liked. He had been at the top of my list. Unless things change I will wind up with nobody on my list.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:00 PM (GpgJl)

7 Walker / Cruz

Posted by: BacktoGA at July 24, 2015 01:00 PM (QxZCI)

8 July 25th!!!

What fucking satanic magic is this?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 01:01 PM (VY8H5)

9 Oh, and Bitch McConehead is much worse than a liar, but I guess Cruz can't say that in the Senate or on TV.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:01 PM (GpgJl)

10 Has Cruz yet explained His no show on the "deal"?

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 01:01 PM (nqBYe)

11 1
So i suppose this IS what is needed, but i certainly feel suckered for
believing the 'If you vote more of us in, we will repeal Obamacare '.

THIS.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at July 24, 2015 01:01 PM (9KToF)

12 Too little.


Too late.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:01 PM (cNtqS)

13 Ted Cruz is a plant by the GOP establishment. His vote on the TPA (or was it TPP?) smoked him out. This is just a show.

Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:02 PM (wnwJC)

14 This is what Cruz is good at. Rattling around in the Senate making noise and people uncomfortable.

No small thing to call the Majority Leader a liar. But fcuk him.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 24, 2015 01:02 PM (LA7Cm)

15 6 Yeah Vic, I think it is far too little and far too late to actually change anything of import. I knew McConnell was a lying weasel years ago, and I'm supposed to think Cruz is smarter than I am?

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 24, 2015 01:02 PM (ftVQq)

16 And the Political Theatre continues . . .

Posted by: logprof at July 24, 2015 01:03 PM (MPPqQ)

17 alright, everyone defending Cruz and saying how this is an amazing speech, I shall watch it. I will return when that is done with.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:04 PM (AkOaV)

18 This is why I don't support Ted Cruz for President. We need him as Senate Majority Leader

Posted by: john1v6 at July 24, 2015 01:04 PM (lkhxQ)

19 and Boehnor the day after the Obama 2012 win.
Slept like a baby..
So .

yeah .thanks GOP

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 01:04 PM (nqBYe)

20 Maybe he has some real consultants sniffing the wind from the base and he doesn't like what it smells like.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:04 PM (GpgJl)

21
Better late than never, theatre or not. I hope McTurtle got red faced and shit himself.

Fuck him to Hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 24, 2015 01:04 PM (uhkms)

22 Name one Boehner/McConnell legislative "accomplishment" that could not just have easily originated in a Pelosi/Reid Congressional regime!

Where have you been Ted?

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 24, 2015 01:04 PM (ftVQq)

23 I feel like we still have a couple Republicans who at least understand in theory what they should and should not be doing to represent their constituents hence the infighting. The Democrats don't seem to in fight nearly as much even though their party has turned into a platform for lunatics.

Posted by: BacktoGA at July 24, 2015 01:05 PM (QxZCI)

24 Pablo Cruz was a two-hit wonder.

I would vote for them.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 24, 2015 01:05 PM (WjXce)

25 He's calling McConnell a liar. He's not hinting at it. He says it. Multiple times.

"He brought up his Obamacare amendment... which is a smokescreen, because it's intended to fail."

Posted by: Ace at 12:57 PM

Of course this is true. Of course it is. How else can one possibly account that there is zero attempt by leadership to actually put forward a conservative agenda. None. I cannot remember a time since Newt Gingerich was Speaker that we actually made advances as conservatives with regard to the spread of government.

The reason that our guys never score for our side is that they are playing for the other team. They are not our guys!

Posted by: Sambo at July 24, 2015 01:05 PM (9UV3C)

26 Maybe he has some real consultants sniffing the wind from the base and he doesn't like what it smells like.

If you smell a bad smell, always check your own shoes first.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 24, 2015 01:06 PM (oVJmc)

27 I keep going back to the meeting Cruz and Trump had last week. Does anyone know yet what it was about?

Posted by: Soona at July 24, 2015 01:06 PM (P25Hh)

28 Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 24, 2015 01:05 PM (WjXce)

I must admit, I really like Penelope Cruz.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 24, 2015 01:06 PM (ftVQq)

29 The obvious thought: Cruz is trying to grab a little Trump action.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 24, 2015 01:06 PM (WjXce)

30 Skip to 12:55 for the best part, as he gets into the part about McConnell's "corrupt," "cronyist" lies, but the whole thing is good.

More of this please.


Is Ace now aboard the Cruz Train?

People all over the world (everybody)
Join hands (join)
Join the Cruz Train, the Cruz Train!

People all over the world (all the world, now)
Join hands (join)
Join the Cruz Train, the Cruz Train!

The next stop that we make will be soon
Tell all the folks in New York, and DC, too
Don't you know that it's time to get on board
And let this train keep on riding, riding on through
Well, well

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:06 PM (jBuUi)

31 see the update.

Posted by: ace at July 24, 2015 01:06 PM (dciA+)

32 which republican brought the obamacare bill to the floor?

which one did the "deal"?

playing chess i guess.

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 01:07 PM (nqBYe)

33 19 and Boehnor the day after the Obama 2012 win.
Slept like a baby..
So .

yeah .thanks GOP

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 01:04 PM (nqBYe)



And the next day was talking about working with Obama to pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Posted by: buzzion at July 24, 2015 01:07 PM (zt+N6)

34 27 I keep going back to the meeting Cruz and Trump had last week. Does anyone know yet what it was about?
Posted by: Soona at July 24, 2015 01:06 PM (P25Hh)

Whatever it was, I'm sure it's HUUUUGGGGEEE and the greatest meeting ever with excellent things to come out of it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:07 PM (AkOaV)

35 Cruz on Rush this second

Posted by: nip at July 24, 2015 01:07 PM (a6Odp)

36 13 Ted Cruz is a plant by the GOP establishment. His vote on the TPA (or was it TPP?) smoked him out. This is just a show.
Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:02 PM (wnwJC)

Uhhh... No. The dude filibustered Obamacare for how long? One of just a few guys that can be counted on.

Posted by: Sambo at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (9UV3C)

37 26 Pappy O'Daniel:

If you smell a bad smell, always check your own shoes first.

If you are the yoga creep, you can check your own butt first.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (WjXce)

38 Cruz is on Rush right now.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (u9OP6)

39 Christian Adams@ElectionLawCtr 58m58 minutes ago
I've never seen anything like @tedcruz speech on floor today.

Yeah, that's the problem.


Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (cNtqS)

40
Cruz on Rush now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (uhkms)

41 Uhhh... No. The dude filibustered Obamacare for how long? One of just a few guys that can be counted on.
Posted by: Sambo at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (9UV3C)

Oh, so he killed Obamacare?

Or he did a prolonged campaign commercial from the Senate Floor?

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (AkOaV)

42 soo chamber of commerce wants a fight?
they are gonna be awfully lonely with no one to stand up to the likes of the Left that want everything Nationalized.

dumb move jerks

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (nqBYe)

43 Finally, someone calling a lie just that: a lie. Not a misstatement, not misspeaking, not something taken out of context, no euphemisms - just the plain truth.

Kudos to Cruz for being straight with us.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (qtpPt)

44 Nothing like a good fire to clean the tangled jungle and clear the ground.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 24, 2015 01:09 PM (ZvKdv)

45 Cruz on Rush now.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 24, 2015 01:09 PM (qtpPt)

46 My favorite Ted Cruz hit is "Love Will Find a Way," but when he went disco in '79, I burned all his albums.

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:09 PM (jBuUi)

47 Cruz is just stating the obvious. Everybody already know Boehner and McConnell are lying.

Just like the Iran deal.

The one thing people really don't like is being made the fool by being used as a dupe.

My guess is most Republican voters feel that way right now.

They can keep stating it's the Tea Part or some other bogeyman. But the room is getting full of all types of party members.

Well, minus the "donors".

Republicans have done nothing they promised and have provided every excuse in the book why they haven't.

People aren't as stupid as they think.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 24, 2015 01:09 PM (GGCsk)

48 chamber of commerce.

we sell the maerican worker Out and then need the voter to help us fight the overwhelming arm of the govt.

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 01:09 PM (nqBYe)

49 Oh wait, that was Pablo[/i}, his brother. My bad.

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:09 PM (jBuUi)

50 Working against us.

The Chamber has a proven track record in primaries this cycle, but attempting to take out a sitting member would be a new political strategy.

The group endorsed Darin LaHood in his successful primary campaign to replace Aaron Schock in Illinois. The group also endorsed and helped mobilize the grass roots and business community for Dan Donovan, who took the seat previously held by Rep. Michael Grimm in New York City.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:10 PM (qCMvj)

51 "Ted Cruz is a plant by the GOP establishment. His vote on the TPA (or was it TPP?) smoked him out. This is just a show."

That's right. But ferret head is the real conservative.

And Hillary Clinton is a lovely, smoking hot mama.

And that Mets offense is killer.

Posted by: Paul at July 24, 2015 01:10 PM (P1jJI)

52 13
Ted Cruz is a plant by the GOP establishment. His vote on the TPA (or was it TPP?) smoked him out. This is just a show.

THIS TOO.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at July 24, 2015 01:10 PM (9KToF)

53 Cruz isn't mad because the American people have been being lied to.

He's mad because he feels that McConnell lied to him personally about some backroom deal during failure theater that none of us really care about anyways.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:10 PM (AkOaV)

54 Ted Cruz, lawyer.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:10 PM (cNtqS)

55 From Ace update:


House GOP leadership sources say they're unaware of and don't support any attempt to target sitting GOP lawmakers.


Another lie, Boner is already going after conservatives in the House who have stymied him.He started going that over a month ago.


These cockmasticators really do think we are stupid.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:10 PM (GpgJl)

56 I embarreled my own punchline!

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:10 PM (jBuUi)

57 >>My favorite Ted Cruz hit is "Love Will Find a Way," but when he went disco in '79, I burned all his albums.

El Verano is a very underrated guitar solo.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 01:10 PM (OGm46)

58
He's mad because he feels that McConnell lied to him personally
about some backroom deal during failure theater that none of us really
care about anyways.


This.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:11 PM (cNtqS)

59 I'm glad Ted Cruz is stepping up. I was about a week away from endorsing zombie Augusto Pinochet.

Posted by: Old Hob at July 24, 2015 01:11 PM (VRc/p)

60 @Vic-"Unless things change". Curious what you think he could change? I do not remember one politician that I remotely liked that hasn't shit the bed on occasion(Reagan). Im not ready to pull the plug on Cruz because of "the Deal".

Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:11 PM (wnwJC)

61 Look, we buy these jerks fair and square, and we're not going to let some pissant voters keep us from enjoying what we've bought, are we clear here, you losers?

Remember ABC: Always Be Commercing!

Posted by: The US Chamber Of Commerce at July 24, 2015 01:11 PM (DLu2s)

62 Cruz sounds genuinely mad and insulted.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 24, 2015 01:11 PM (qtpPt)

63
"Like St. Peter, he repeated it three times."


That line grabbed me.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at July 24, 2015 01:12 PM (9TK8E)

64 >>soo chamber of commerce wants a fight?

they are gonna be awfully lonely with no one to stand up to the likes of the Left that want everything Nationalized.
<<

I already stopped soliciting every local business who is a member.

If they want to be the "enemy" so be it. They won't get my money.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 24, 2015 01:12 PM (GGCsk)

65

Better bump up his polling.

I want him on the debate stage. He has a memory like an elephant.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:12 PM (qCMvj)

66 >>And that Mets offense is killer.

That was unnecessary and hurtful.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 01:12 PM (OGm46)

67 Congress is just going to get worse. The power abuses now are so blatant and so egregious (and of course, The Won is setting the example for everyone), that every member justifies his own bad behavior by pointing at the others.

Only a thorough house cleaning of all three branches with citizen patriots can fix this.

These are the conditions that prompt military coups in other countries.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 24, 2015 01:12 PM (laMCB)

68 Well, well, well.

It looks like someone has woken the fuck up.

I'll tell you right now if Cruz can get the fire in his belly he could be the agent of change we had hoped he would be.

The time for throwing a god damned chair at the wall is right about now and not metaphorically.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 24, 2015 01:12 PM (PaAcR)

69 "That was unnecessary and hurtful."

It was even more painful to write it.

At least there's the pitching.

Posted by: Paul at July 24, 2015 01:12 PM (P1jJI)

70 Oh, so he killed Obamacare?

Or he did a prolonged campaign commercial from the Senate Floor?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:08 PM (AkOaV)

I am not going to be surprised when Cruz turns into a beltway insider. I think that happens to everyone who goes to Washington, and it is why we need term limits. But that kind of thing is what he ran on and he delivered on it, and that says something. He has been going up against the McConnells, McCains, Boehners and Grahams since he got there. He is not their friend.

Posted by: Sambo at July 24, 2015 01:12 PM (9UV3C)

71
Well, there's an open break with McConnell that is undeniable. I think what you saw was the ultimate realization that Michboy is a hypocritical backstabbing piece of work, by a moral and upstanding man.

Interesting to see where he takes this.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 01:13 PM (jeCnD)

72 Cruz Train

Now I've been happy lately
Thinking about the good things to come
And I believe it could be
Something good has begun
I've been smiling lately
Dreaming about the world as one
And I believe it could be
Something good's bound to come

For out on the edge of darkness
There runs the Cruz train
Cruz train take this country
Come take me home again

Cruz train sounding louder
Ride on the Cruz train
Hoo-ah-eeh-ah-hoo-ah
Come on the Cruz train
Cruz train's a holy roller
Everyone jump upon the Cruz train
Hoo-ah-eeh-ah-hoo-ah
This is the Cruz train

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 24, 2015 01:13 PM (Zu3d9)

73 So basically , Cruz got cut out of the GOP half of the Ex-Im bank gravy train.

Got it.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:13 PM (cNtqS)

74

Wow. He really unloaded. Wow.

This could get interesting.

Posted by: dan-O at July 24, 2015 01:13 PM (rnB5q)

75 My comment upthread was sarcasm.

Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:13 PM (wnwJC)

76


So Cruz is saying McConnell is a very, very good liar/actor.

He was duped.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:13 PM (qCMvj)

77 La. theater shooter assumed to be muslim and/or Obama voter on prior thread, yet...

"Houser appeared to post regularly on Internet message boards, often ranting against the government and the mainstream media, said the state police superintendent."

um. Maybe next time hold back on the currently en vogue kneejerk AOSHQ snark about e.g., Abdulazizi "probably a tea party ward captain."

Posted by: b at July 24, 2015 01:14 PM (Cp1w2)

78 Those were some serious words.

Posted by: Dr. Manhattan at July 24, 2015 01:14 PM (zZ7AQ)

79 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at July 24, 2015 01:14 PM (rwI+c)

80 Cruz missile is taking names and kicking ass. Rush just had a segment of Ctruz clips. I wonder if this is inspired, at least in part, by the support Cruz sees that Trump is getting by calling out RINOs.

But for now, it's RINO season and there's no bag limit!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 01:14 PM (XUKZU)

81 He had been at the top of my list. Unless things change I will wind up with nobody on my list. Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:00 PM

Cruz has a terrible habit of diving for the foxhole at the first sign of combat. Witness his bugout performances on ChoomTrade and the Iranian ChoomDoom. He's good at yapping about stuff AFTER the sellouts have, well, sold out, but where is he when there's still a chance, however slight, of actually doing something?

BTW: Saw a new Christie-for-Preezy ad on the teevee. In it, he excoriates the Mocha Messiah for letting Iran pee all over him. Christie sounds like Judge Roy Friggin' Bean, ready to stand up with his own two six-guns and defend the Home Folks.

Am I supposed to give a worthless POS a pass because he finally says something that makes a little sense?

Nuh-uh.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 24, 2015 01:14 PM (rCmeG)

82 Dammit, I got Willowed.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (8hctH)

83 60
@Vic-"Unless things change". Curious what you think he could change? I
do not remember one politician that I remotely liked that hasn't shit
the bed on occasion(Reagan). Im not ready to pull the plug on Cruz
because of "the Deal".

Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:11 PM (wnwJC)


He has done more bad than "The Deal" he also voted for Obama Trade IIANM.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (GpgJl)

84 >>Cruz on Rush now



Caress of Steel is their Best Album.

Posted by: Ted Cruz (R) at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (S0Ca+)

85 It's all starting to turn around, I tells ya.

Besides Yertle McConnel being rudely called out, the NYT reports that two Inspectors General have called for the indictment of Hillary Clinton's e-mail account.

Posted by: Edgar Allan Schmoe at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (2ohZi)

86 >>At least there's the pitching.

In some ways it makes it even worse. They wasted a great effort by Colon again last night because they can't even score a couple runs. Pitiful.

But they called up Conforto this morning so at least that should be interesting.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (OGm46)

87 Let's see, what inconvenience can we come up with for those manicured CoC pretty-boys?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (oVJmc)

88 Is it just me, but does "Chamber of Commerce" sound like a terrifying torture chamber for dissidents in some dystopian novel?

"You have defied the Committee of Klon! Your sentence is a Reorientation Session in (dramatic music) the Chamber of Commerce!"

"No! Anything but that! I repent! I repent!"

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (jBuUi)

89 Ted Cruz is the wrong kind of hispanic, the type the US doesn't need more of.

The kind we need are the ones who look like garden gnomes and smell like dog shit.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (oFCZn)

90 Note the COC hasn't identified anyone specific, just strongly hinted what types of politicians they're going after.

They're sending a message at this point.

Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (2pP51)

91 I like Cruz. I also like Trump, if for nothing else than he loves this country and is willing to at least take it verbally to the people who don't.

A good question for Trump. If he should become prez, would he push for a change of repub leadership in congress? Would he accept someone, you know, like Cruz?

Posted by: Soona at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (P25Hh)

92 Nice.
None of that "my esteemed colleague misspoke" crap.

How soon before McCain and Pete King declare war (again) on Cruz?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 24, 2015 01:15 PM (NOIQH)

93 @Soona-Been wondering about that meeting myself.

Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:16 PM (wnwJC)

94 Posted by: b at July 24, 2015 01:14 PM (Cp1w2)


I can't tell if you're fer it or agin it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 24, 2015 01:16 PM (rwI+c)

95 62 Cruz sounds genuinely mad and insulted.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 24, 2015 01:11 PM (qtpPt)

Yeah, I think he is. He feels like McConnell lied to his face. Which, again, I don't really care about. Of course he lied, he's a politician.

Where's this indignation been for the last 2 years? Cruz has been going along with all of this for 2 years and is only now getting pissed now that his campaign is being overshadowed by Donald fricking Trump.

Eh, whatever.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:16 PM (AkOaV)

96 I think the Majority Leader will take this for what it is: the campaign rhetoric of a contender, who doesnt poll very well.

Posted by: Begonia at July 24, 2015 01:16 PM (8yG63)

97 "But they called up Conforto this morning so at least that should be interesting."

And D'Arnaud will hopefully be back soon. And after this week the schedule gets much easier. Here's hoping.

Posted by: Paul at July 24, 2015 01:16 PM (P1jJI)

98 Ummm, ace fiddling with the time machine again....that he doesn't have.


July 25, 2015?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 01:17 PM (fWAjv)

99 Looks like Tom Cruz has put on a bit of weight after his divorce from Katy.

Posted by: LIV at July 24, 2015 01:18 PM (8TdcF)

100 Yes, fuck you! War!!!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 24, 2015 01:18 PM (JO9+V)

101 So i suppose this IS what is needed, but i certainly feel suckered for believing the 'If you vote more of us in, we will repeal Obamacare '.
Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 12:59 PM (nqBYe)


Oh, they're still at it -- on McConnell's twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/SenateMajLdr

Congressional Floor Liar
Social Media Liar

Leader McConnell @SenateMajLdr
3 hours ago

@Senate_GOPs want a vote to fully repeal #Obamacare, they will get their chance with an amendment to the #highway bill.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:18 PM (qCMvj)

102 and 1st! dances around on table top.


Shake that thang!

Posted by: Grump928(C) holds up a Benjamin at July 24, 2015 01:18 PM (rwI+c)

103 Thank you for your concern. A representative will be contacting you...never.

Posted by: The AoS Concern Desk at July 24, 2015 01:18 PM (Jj/2n)

104 b-nice.

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 01:19 PM (nqBYe)

105 96
I think the Majority Leader will take this for what it is: the campaign rhetoric of a contender, who doesnt poll very well.


The Majority Leader is traitorous dickhead.

Still fanning the flames for a Mitt reboot, Begonia?

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:19 PM (cNtqS)

106 Aaaaaand THIS is why Ted's at the top of my Presidential candidates list.


Cruz/Carly or Carly/Cruz 2016!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 24, 2015 01:19 PM (4df7R)

107 This comment intentionally left blank.

Posted by: logprof at July 24, 2015 01:19 PM (KleQB)

108 >>July 25, 2015?


Who wins the Tour Stage tomorrow, Ace?

Posted by: Garrett at July 24, 2015 01:19 PM (S0Ca+)

109 Cruz in on Rush Limbaugh right now talking about this.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 24, 2015 01:19 PM (KCQo0)

110 Food Fight!!

Posted by: Senator Blutarsky at July 24, 2015 01:20 PM (JO9+V)

111
Your move, Senator Cruz!

Posted by: Soothie at July 24, 2015 01:20 PM (FBA90)

112 Cruz is now my top choice.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 24, 2015 01:20 PM (KCQo0)

113 I want to believe.

Posted by: Fox Mulder at July 24, 2015 01:20 PM (cNtqS)

114 Still fanning the flames for a Mitt reboot, Begonia?

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:19 PM (cNtqS)
_________

I would prefer Governor Romney over Governor Bush, but you dont always get what you want. Thats life. Conservatives should know that.

Posted by: Begonia at July 24, 2015 01:21 PM (8yG63)

115 President Hillary Clinton.

*shudders*

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 24, 2015 01:21 PM (hLRSq)

116

He's always been my #1.
He's smart, shrewd, and tough.
That is why he is so hated within the party. Hated as much as any Tea Partier.

His Simpson's voiceovers didn't do too well to soften him up, however.

http://bzfd.it/1LC1zxM

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (qCMvj)

117 I've said it since day one, and I repeat it once again:

Walker/Cruz or Cruz/Walker 2016!

Personally, I think Walker/Cruz would have an extremely high chance of winning, but I'd be happy either way.

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (jBuUi)

118
The group endorsed Darin LaHood in his successful primary campaign to replace Aaron Schock in Illinois. The group also endorsed and helped mobilize the grass roots and business community for Dan Donovan, who took the seat previously held by Rep. Michael Grimm in New York City.

The Chamber also spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to help Rep. Bradley Byrne, who beat conservative Dean Young in a 2013 special election in Alabama to replace retired GOP Rep. Jo Bonner. And the group played a critical role backing Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.), who faced a strong challenge in a runoff from tea party favorite Chris McDaniel.



Federal $15 and hour minimum wage now, please. And crippling increases on upper income, inheritance and stock option taxes.

Let's all bleed.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (kdS6q)

119 Fuck you, War!

Bout time.

Posted by: Alinsky at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (2oZKy)

120 And the Political Theatre continues



Bukakki or Kabuki?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (X88sA)

121 Sadly, how can we trust this?

This is going on while everyone from leftist whackjob groups, the MFM BOTH parties and the rest are staging a bullshit show about allowing Iran obtaining nukes.

Mtich the bitch could have signalled him to do this. And the best performing candidate at the moment is a guy (trump) that we can't determine if he's a republican

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (Spluw)

122 I will say that Cruz is getting better as his anger level rises.

Lots of red meat.

But how serious is he about this? I don't know.

I'm sure the focus groups told him this is where most of the "TEA Party" types are at mentally.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (AkOaV)

123 Boner/McConnel mewling quims. Fuck them to hell. Clownfuckers all the way.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at July 24, 2015 01:23 PM (ucDmr)

124 OK - so how about a burning skeleton head for this?

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2015 01:23 PM (6xtq3)

125 Lies and bullshit. This is the modern GOP.

Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 24, 2015 01:23 PM (8ZskC)

126 I would prefer Governor Romney over Governor Bush


Seriously ????

You are a Jebbie now??

That is awesome.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:24 PM (cNtqS)

127 Cruz is out there ACTUALLY fighting.

Trump runs around running his big, fat, stupid yap and "conservatives" fall in love with because they think that's fighting.

Go figure.

No wonder it's the Stupid Party. It starts at the top and goes all the way down to the base.

Posted by: DRayRaven at July 24, 2015 01:24 PM (9YRwm)

128 I've said it since day one, and I repeat it once again:

Walker/Cruz or Cruz/Walker 2016!

Personally, I think Walker/Cruz would have an extremely high chance of winning, but I'd be happy either way.
Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (jBuUi)


It's a waste to put one of them in the VP slot.

I say Fiorina for VP, as much as she would hate that. But, at least she's not being pulled from a slot we need her in.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:24 PM (qCMvj)

129 Good for Ted Cruz!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 24, 2015 01:24 PM (shLnc)

130 124 OK - so how about a burning skeleton head for this?
Posted by: Weasel


"burning skeleton head" -- I like that!

A.K.A "Flaming Skull."

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:24 PM (jBuUi)

131 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:18 PM (qCMvj)
2014 politico

If Republicans win the Senate, Mitch McConnell, the likely majority leader, is expected to hold a symbolic repeal vote early in the new Congress.

The real question is what comes next, said Stephen Northrup, a former senior Republican Senate health staffer and now a partner at Rampy Northrup.

Options would range from a targeted repeal of small slices of the law to a broad slash-and-burn strategy. Republicans say that if they win in November, members will decide together how exactly to move ahead. But GOP sources said some strategy discussions already are underway.

Targeted votes would aim at specific vulnerable aspects of Obamacare, like the device tax, which some Democrats may back.

And Republicans could use a budget process known as reconciliation, which requires a simple 51-vote majority, to gut significant parts.
----
so what has been done except to benefit 'device tax"?

what about our being dunned on taxes, or losing healthcare /jobs , work hours?

Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 01:24 PM (nqBYe)

132 Folks, Cruz has been a firebrand in the Senate ever since he got there. He may not always be out on the floor stoking the coals, but he has not changed his tone over time. To pretend that this is new or unexpected or feigned is terribly shortsighted, IMO. He has never liked the establishment, and they have most certainly never liked him.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 24, 2015 01:25 PM (4df7R)

133 Cruz is out there ACTUALLY fighting.

Trump runs around running his big, fat, stupid yap and "conservatives" fall in love with because they think that's fighting.

Go figure.

No wonder it's the Stupid Party. It starts at the top and goes all the way down to the base.
Posted by: DRayRaven at July 24, 2015 01:24 PM (9YRwm)


Those two meet up occasionally. I'm hoping Trump throws his backing behind Cruz when all is said and done.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:25 PM (qCMvj)

134 I'm sure the focus groups told him this is where most of the "TEA Party" types are at mentally.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (AkOaV)

Which means he's responding to the base, right? I know we can never be sure of any politician (put not your trust in man, says a certain Book), but at least this is a start. Better than the feckless Jeb!

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 24, 2015 01:26 PM (qtpPt)

135 Oh, yea, Jeb's fanboy is back.

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 01:26 PM (O7MnT)

136 @Vic-What could Cruz do that would put him back in your good graces? Not trying to be confrontational. I'm genuinely interested and value your opinion here and would like you to elaborate more.

Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:26 PM (wnwJC)

137 127
Cruz is out there ACTUALLY fighting.


Throwing ACTUAL kicks and punches!!!!

ACTUAL BLOOD!!!

Actual KIDNEY punches!!

ACTUALLY!!

Posted by: DeeRayRAveeRavRAVRaven at July 24, 2015 01:26 PM (cNtqS)

138 I don't care why he said it. It needed to be said. Now, how many limp dick repubs will join in? None would be my bet. Assholes.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at July 24, 2015 01:26 PM (ucDmr)

139 Folks, Cruz has been a firebrand in the Senate ever since he got there. He may not always be out on the floor stoking the coals, but he has not changed his tone over time. To pretend that this is new or unexpected or feigned is terribly shortsighted, IMO. He has never liked the establishment, and they have most certainly never liked him.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 24, 2015 01:25 PM (4df7R)


yep, he's just not *likeable* or *charismatic*

but, he's dangerous

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:27 PM (qCMvj)

140 "burning skeleton head" -- I like that!

A.K.A "Flaming Skull."


It's called a calvarium.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood "Doctor" at July 24, 2015 01:27 PM (ZtFr+)

141 It's a waste to put one of them in the VP slot.

I say Fiorina for VP, as much as she would hate that. But, at least she's not being pulled from a slot we need her in.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette


There can only be one POTUS at a time, so one of them HAS to be in the VP slot.

But think of it as "POTUS-in-waiting."

Just ask Truman, Johnson, Ford, HW Bush and (almost) Gore.

It's the way of lining up one or the other to win in 2024.

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:27 PM (jBuUi)

142
One speech that reduces to "I'm a victim who's easily fooled" and the Cruz bandwagon fills up. Tossing hay bales over the side to make room for more.

Amazing.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 01:27 PM (kdS6q)

143 ***"More of this please."***


This is nice and all, and we definitely need more of this.


But I'm more of a "show me" guy. And what Cruz has been showing of late has been more of the same old shit I see from the rest of his party.


You get my attention with your words, but you keep it with your actions.


I'll paraphrase it from the musical:


Fuck you, show me.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 01:27 PM (xSCb6)

144 so what has been done except to benefit 'device tax"?

what about our being dunned on taxes, or losing healthcare /jobs , work hours?
Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 01:24 PM (nqBYe)

Repealing the device tax is a hand out to donors who make medical devices.

It also takes a "revenue stream" away from the already ridiculously "revenue negative" Obamacare and does nothing to affect the price of health care and will only marginally affect the price of individual medical devices.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:28 PM (AkOaV)

145 Well said, Twin.

Hi!!!!

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 24, 2015 01:28 PM (qtpPt)

146

wow, he covered everything

even PP

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:28 PM (qCMvj)

147 Good for Ted Cruz!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 24, 2015 01:24 PM


I guess. Unless this was a little act ginned up by Bitch McConnell and Cruz to pacify the restless natives....

Cruz's "attaboy - to - awshit" ratio is still way underwater, though. If he ever gets as forthright and Manly-Man about a boatload of other issues (like Iran, the sooper-sekret "trade" treaty, illegal immigration, etc. etc.), then we can talk.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 24, 2015 01:28 PM (rCmeG)

148 It always boils down to this; they can rhetoric all day like Issa on his panels, but at the end of the day there needs to be some action.


I have seen NOTHING but rhetoric. And I don't like Hot Air.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:28 PM (GpgJl)

149 I feel like we're being played by both sides.

If there was ever an issue that would endear the base to Ted Cruz, it would be illegal immigration, yet he's totally thrown his lot in with the Comprehnsive crowd

He actually wants to increase immigration with more work visas.

Posted by: Jim at July 24, 2015 01:29 PM (NEZUr)

150 yep, he's just not *likeable* or *charismatic*



but, he's dangerous

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:27 PM (qCMvj)


See, I've never understood that critique of him. I think he's quite likeable. Maybe not as charismatic as Rubio, but with a charisma of his own that's appealing if not electric.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 24, 2015 01:29 PM (4df7R)

151 140 "burning skeleton head" -- I like that!

A.K.A "Flaming Skull."

It's called a calvarium.
Posted by: Planned Parenthood "Doctor"


Ace -- can you put the Incendiary Calvarium on this thread?

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:29 PM (jBuUi)

152 So very boned.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at July 24, 2015 01:29 PM (rwI+c)

153 These Cuckin' Guys

Posted by: El Kabong at July 24, 2015 01:29 PM (9oC/Q)

154 And I do expect Perry to open his suck and denounce Cruz any moment now.


Perry excels at one thing: self-selecting himself right out of the competition.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 01:29 PM (xSCb6)

155 lot's of great words...

Deeds>words.

and i'm not seeing any great Deeds, just the usual dirty ones.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 24, 2015 01:29 PM (Vha1U)

156 Regarding the presidential race, I will honestly be surprised if a Republican (of any stripe) wins, barring some major scandal or event (like a major bombing or financial crisis). Politics is downstream from culture, and the culture I see is overwhelmingly leftist. We've given away the last two elections to This Guy? Seriously? That tells me the Dems can run a dirty sock and take the election. But, assuming a Republican wins...Cruz is my preferred candidate.

Posted by: Sambo at July 24, 2015 01:30 PM (9UV3C)

157 It always boils down to this; they can rhetoric all day like Issa on his panels, but at the end of the day there needs to be some action.

What. Emails screaming for contributions to STOP HILLARY!!! aren't "action"?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 24, 2015 01:30 PM (8ZskC)

158 If you read this, then make a commitment to call or e-mail you Senator. Many bitches will bring change, if not think about getting involved in the Republican Party (e.g., a Secret Tea Party Member, STPM). Change is hard, but a ship's direction can turn some, but you need to start.
Never give in, never, never never. WC in the 40s.

Posted by: SgtPete at July 24, 2015 01:30 PM (+s8DI)

159 Which means he's responding to the base, right? I know we can never be sure of any politician (put not your trust in man, says a certain Book), but at least this is a start. Better than the feckless Jeb!
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 24, 2015 01:26 PM (qtpPt)

But here's the thing. Politicians always 'respond to the base' when they're asking for votes. We're not complaining about their campaign rhetoric, here.

We're complaining about what they do while they are in DC.

Cruz has only been there a short time -- 2 1/2 (ish) years. But in that time, he's given some good speeches but whenever push comes to shove, he's voted with the GOPe.

I guess I'm just not really impressed with rhetoric anymore. I've been had too many times.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:30 PM (AkOaV)

160 A.K.A "Flaming Skull."



Um, sounds like a bj with an std

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 01:30 PM (X88sA)

161 Both USA Vichy Parties are desperate for the 6 billion new Americans out there just waiting to be imported and put on welfare.

Also, I have strong suspicions that construction lobby just LOVES paving over USA to handle 2mil plus newbies a year.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at July 24, 2015 01:31 PM (uhE1E)

162 The US chamber of Commerce is running TV adds extolling the virtues of McCain. Pay back for John's open boarder cheep labor stance???

Posted by: Buffalobob at July 24, 2015 01:31 PM (OR2fM)

163 I knew McConnell was a lying weasel turtle years ago,

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 24, 2015 01:02 PM (ftVQq)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:31 PM (qCMvj)

164 If it's war with the Chamber - then fight. Accuse them of systemic racism, encouraging mass immigration of unskilled labor rather than hiring African Americans. Put the BlackLivesMatter crowd in front of CoC meetings demanding they stop hiring illegals. Put the NBPP in front of Home Depot assaulting contractors picking up illegals.

Bonus points: it splits the Dim identity coalition - black vs brown.

Posted by: Jean at July 24, 2015 01:31 PM (ztOda)

165 I think Fiorina could overcome the inevitable attacks on her for downsizing at HP if she promised to downsize the Federal workforce the same way.

It would cost the GOP MD, DC, and VA... but those are going to go Demonrat anyway.

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 01:31 PM (O7MnT)

166 The number of people dragging in unrelated knocks on Cruz demonstrates he struck a nerve with this one.

They can't dispute the fact, so they change the subject.

What matters here is the attack on McConnell.

Which is why discussing it is being avoided.

Posted by: Lurking In The Wilderness at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM (1Y+hH)

167

Posted by: Begonia at July 24, 2015 01:16 PM (8yG63)

Begone, ya--

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM (oVJmc)

168 Trump has a solution to all this.

He'll get all red-faced and go on another spittle-laced rant about how he didn't say something he said.

That should solve everything.

Posted by: DRayRaven at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM (9YRwm)

169 160 A.K.A "Flaming Skull."

Um, sounds like a bj with an std
Posted by: rickb223


Or a BJ immediately after the giver downs a shot of Jaegermeister.

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM (jBuUi)

170 And that Mets offense is killer.

Mets, Indians, Cubs.

Potato, Potayto

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM (kQBSd)

171 132 Folks, Cruz has been a firebrand in the Senate ever since he got there. He may not always be out on the floor stoking the coals, but he has not changed his tone over time. To pretend that this is new or unexpected or feigned is terribly shortsighted, IMO. He has never liked the establishment, and they have most certainly never liked him.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 24, 2015 01:25 PM (4df7R)


---------------


You are correct. Many seem to have forgotten how he fought back well enough to be blamed for the whole gov shutdown a couple of years ago. He's never been a friend of the GOPe.

Posted by: Soona at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM (P25Hh)

172 The only thing I don't know now is if Cruz would have been as bold if Trump hadn't shown there were numbers in balls.

I certainly like where this seems to be going.

Posted by: jwest at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM (P/xrJ)

173 McConnell may need to deploy McCain's JUST BUILD THE DANG FENCE! gambit to re-establish his cred with conservatives.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 24, 2015 01:33 PM (8ZskC)

174 163 Thanks, AE

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2015 01:33 PM (6xtq3)

175 156
Regarding the presidential race, I will honestly be surprised if a
Republican (of any stripe) wins, barring some major scandal or event
(like a major bombing or financial crisis). Politics is downstream from
culture, and the culture I see is overwhelmingly leftist. We've given
away the last two elections to This Guy? Seriously? That tells me the
Dems can run a dirty sock and take the election. But, assuming a
Republican wins...Cruz is my preferred candidate.

Posted by: Sambo at July 24, 2015 01:30 PM (9UV3C)

The problem is we keep running lackluster milquetoast "electable moderates" who do not energize the voters. The RNCe has set the primary schedule and the rules to all but guarantee a RINO candidate.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:33 PM (GpgJl)

176 #158: my Senators are Boxer Shorts Fineswine... pray tell why e-mailing them would be worth the bother.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 24, 2015 01:33 PM (Vha1U)

177 Totally OT: I'm going to commit all my rapes and murders in Norway.
http://is.gd/Bs15l2

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 24, 2015 01:33 PM (/kI1Q)

178
Not wanting amnesty and more corporate cronyism makes us "obstructionist, isolationists" according to the COC.
Yes, how dare the people foil your plans to get richer at everyone's expense.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 24, 2015 01:33 PM (jtStN)

179 The only thing I don't know now is if Cruz would have been as bold if Trump hadn't shown there were numbers in balls.

I'm wondering if there was something in that Trump/Cruz confab.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 24, 2015 01:33 PM (oVJmc)

180 You are correct. Many seem to have forgotten how he fought back well enough to be blamed for the whole gov shutdown a couple of years ago. He's never been a friend of the GOPe.
Posted by: Soona at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM (P25Hh)

Rhetoriced Back *

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:34 PM (AkOaV)

181 Posted by: Lurking In The Wilderness at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM (1Y+hH)


We get it, you like tough talk. So does everyone here.


Now let's talk about results.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 01:34 PM (xSCb6)

182 It's all about the money. The GOPe wants it and the base won't give it to them, so they go the Donor Class.

Also, this (Obama is the least popular postwar President but no one in the MSM will admit it):

http://tws.io/1HY6l2k

Posted by: MTF at July 24, 2015 01:34 PM (TxJGV)

183 17,606.08 -125.84(-0.71%)

Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at July 24, 2015 01:34 PM (rwI+c)

184 guys, this sort of firebrand red meat xenophobia will only drive moderates from the GOP. We need to focus on winning over the million of so new replacement americans that the DNC has already brain washed with welfare and racist identity politics. It's like, Reagan couldn't even get elected today thanks to the cwazy way the GOP is so mega-ultra-right wing.

amirite?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at July 24, 2015 01:35 PM (uhE1E)

185 Literally Actually.

Posted by: Garrett at July 24, 2015 01:35 PM (S0Ca+)

186 The only thing I don't know now is if Cruz would have been as bold if Trump hadn't shown there were numbers in balls.

I certainly like where this seems to be going.



Didn't Trump & Cruz pow wow?

Trump/Cruz 2016?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 01:35 PM (X88sA)

187 I thnk Cruz needs an ESPY award for bravery and courage.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at July 24, 2015 01:35 PM (uhE1E)

188 Regarding the presidential race, I will honestly be surprised if a Republican (of any stripe) wins

Yeah, the Demonrats own the media, and they control the big city vote fraud machines to make sure Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania go blue. It's pretty much hopeless.

And if the GOP candidate is Jeb, what would it matter anyway?

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 01:35 PM (O7MnT)

189 (I saw Incendiary Calvarium open for the Flaming Lips at the American Legion Hall in Norman.)

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 24, 2015 01:35 PM (/kI1Q)

190
What matters here is the attack on McConnell.
Which is why discussing it is being avoided.
Posted by: Lurking In The Wilderness
I'm not avoiding it. This attack may or many not mean anything. They are engaging in political theater RIGHT NOW. What Cruz did may be real, or it may be YET ANOTHER example of political theater.

Add to that the fact that Crus is running for prez and he's lagging behind a guy that is talking bold, and you have some uncertainty.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 24, 2015 01:36 PM (Spluw)

191 Folks, Cruz has been a firebrand in the Senate ever since he got there

Cruz has had some very bad stumbles recently. But if he keeps doing this and escalates against Mitch, I don't care.

Ted should refuse to caucus with Mitch McConnell. See if he can get the other presidential hopefuls to follow suit.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 24, 2015 01:36 PM (shLnc)

192 Which is why discussing it is being avoided.

Posted by: Lurking In The Wilderness at July 24, 2015 01:32 PM


I suspect the main reason that subject is being "avoided" is that everyone is tired of typing the same old crap about What Should Be Done. Don't really have to, anyway, as Cruz seems to be thinking the same tired old shit we are.

If someone could think of an actual solution -- one that's not calculated to bring a visit from the FBI or otherwise violate any laws -- I have no doubt they'd post it. So far, Cruz has been short of proposing any sort of action that would in any way stem the avalanche.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 24, 2015 01:36 PM (rCmeG)

193 If people are looking for a conservative who not only fights but wins even when it almost cost him his job, Scott Walker is the man. He may not be a red meat, barn burner of a speechifier but he gets results and he wins.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 01:37 PM (OGm46)

194 Very telling that the RINO go-to sites Hot Air and NRO are so far ignoring this.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at July 24, 2015 01:37 PM (jLStj)

195 House GOP leadership sources say they're unaware of and don't support any attempt to target sitting GOP lawmakers.


Another
lie, Boner is already going after conservatives in the House who have
stymied him.He started going that over a month ago.


These cockmasticators really do think we are stupid.
========
Number of IRS employees fired, forced to resign in disgrace, reprimanded or otherwise punished for using the IRS to target conservatives: 0

Why?

Because that was known and supported by Boner.

He knew.

He had to know.

And he was happy to let them take out that thorn in his side.

He and Issa have made sure this matter will stay dead.

Anyone who voted for him as Speaker in 2014 is not and has never been a conservative.

The only time you've seen Boner happy and smiling is in meetings with the JEF.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 24, 2015 01:38 PM (ZvKdv)

196 I wonder if Cruz and Trump are working together?

Trump/Cruz 2016

GOPe hates Cruz and he probably doesn't see much chance with the party.

Posted by: WOPR at July 24, 2015 01:38 PM (nRvEn)

197 The Chamber of Commerce will back opponents of Justin Amash and Tim Huelskamp.

Posted by: Furious George at July 24, 2015 01:38 PM (UlJ3l)

198 >>>> calvarium


That's a head.

A calvarium is where I put the troops of Napoleonic horse models when I'm not gaming.

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at July 24, 2015 01:39 PM (3ZtZW)

199 Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:33 PM (GpgJl)

Maybe. Maybe that's the reason. It certainly doesn't help us that we have done what you say (and I agree with you about that). I think if anyone has a shot it is going to be someone like Cruz or Trump, who will just go out there and eviscerate the opposition. If we run Jeb we are done. Walker I think would be a good president, and has a track record of advancing the conservative agenda, but I don't hear him scoring the rhetorical points that either Cruz or Trump do, and I think that is necessary to convincing the people of your ability.

Posted by: Sambo at July 24, 2015 01:39 PM (9UV3C)

200 I would be curious to know who exactly is donating money to Bush? Chamber of Commerce and big business that loves cheap labor but what constituents are donating?

Posted by: Cheri at July 24, 2015 01:39 PM (oiNtH)

201 People aren't as stupid as they think.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 24, 2015 01:09 PM (GGCsk)
------------------------------------------------------------------
But a large enough block of them are. And the smart ones are docile. They're still in Claire Wolfe mode.

Posted by: LIVs at July 24, 2015 01:39 PM (E5UB0)

202 197 The Chamber of Commerce will back opponents of Justin Amash and Tim Huelskamp.
Posted by: Furious George at July 24, 2015 01:38 PM (UlJ3l)

Of course they will.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:39 PM (AkOaV)

203 Cruz had a long segment on Rush to explain the McConnell duplicity. I mean McConnell's straight up lying.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 24, 2015 01:39 PM (Xa4vS)

204 Unless things change I will wind up with nobody on my list.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 24, 2015 01:00 PM (GpgJl)

With you there, brother. I currently have no one on my list and prospects for inclusion are looking mighty slim.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 24, 2015 01:40 PM (nqiq9)

205 >>>> Fuck you, show me.


Foul-mouthed Missourians!

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at July 24, 2015 01:40 PM (3ZtZW)

206 If we won't impeach Obama can we at least impeach McConnell? And Boehner?

Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2015 01:41 PM (+IeyW)

207 Trump and Cruz are providing Walker with the red-meat blueprint. I hope.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at July 24, 2015 01:42 PM (uhE1E)

208 I'm sure Ted Cruz gave a great speech. But Cruz's 2016 problem is that he's currently serving in the US Senate, which has a Republican majority with GOPe stalwart Mitch McConnell in the Majority Leader spot. McConnell certainly has no love for Ted, and Mitch will fill the Senate trough with a steady stream of GOPe-endorsed legislation. Cruz can vote against Republican measures or he can vote for a GOPe bill. That's why the 2016 election cycle favors a DC outsider.

Posted by: mrp at July 24, 2015 01:42 PM (JBggj)

209 Some people here at AoS are so cynical (including myself), Im afraid we will not recognize that someone who IS the real deal. Is it Ted Cruz? What are the chances of AoS horde fucking themselves by letting a good one get away?

Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:42 PM (wnwJC)

210
If it's war with the Chamber - then fight. Accuse them of systemic racism, encouraging mass immigration of unskilled labor rather than hiring African Americans. Put the BlackLivesMatter crowd in front of CoC meetings demanding they stop hiring illegals. Put the NBPP in front of Home Depot assaulting contractors picking up illegals.
Posted by: Jean




#BlackJobsMatter

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 01:42 PM (kdS6q)

211 Conservatives = Charlie Brown

Ted Cruz = Lucy


This country won't be fixed by Trump or Cruz or Rush or anybody.

The only thing this country MIGHT respond to is a nuclear mushroom cloud but only after the EMP kills all the electronic doodads.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:42 PM (cNtqS)

212
Gas is holding steady here at 2.55-2.65.
It should be going down like it did before.

Posted by: Soothie at July 24, 2015 01:42 PM (FBA90)

213 With you there, brother. I currently have no one on my list and prospects for inclusion are looking mighty slim.



Already said I'm done with the GOP. Only reason I'm behind Trump is for the flamethrower effect.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 01:43 PM (X88sA)

214
"A calvarium is where I put the troops of Napoleonic horse models when I'm not gaming. "
Sounds painful. Does it hurt more when you sit down?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 24, 2015 01:43 PM (8marX)

215

I want to believe so very much that Cruz is for real.

But why did his staff totally get that McCorrupto was lying but Ted could not see it or believe it?

Something is still not right.

Posted by: GBruno at July 24, 2015 01:43 PM (u49WF)

216 Also, as we saw with Obama...campaign promises and performance means nothing. Just do whatever you want. So, any one of Walker, trump, or cruz can do the xenophobic unfettered capitalism stuff we want. Just get elected. And Hillary is imploding, we don't want a milquetoast 'we having nothing to fear from the honorably honest Hillary' bullshit Jeb would give us.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at July 24, 2015 01:43 PM (uhE1E)

217 I still think we need Cruz in the Senate more than we need him in the White House.

If he is elected president, we will still have a corrupt Senate and there is nothing a President can do about that.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 24, 2015 01:43 PM (KCQo0)

218 yep, he's just not *likeable* or *charismatic*



but, he's dangerous

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:27 PM (qCMvj)

See, I've never understood that critique of him. I think he's quite likeable. Maybe not as charismatic as Rubio, but with a charisma of his own that's appealing if not electric.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at July 24, 2015 01:29 PM (4df7R)


don't get me wrong, I've always liked him
smart is what I'm looking for, and shrewd to outfox the Dems

but, other people keep saying it, that is where I see it

He's all business, imho. Which is great, but others look for the Idol qualities.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 24, 2015 01:43 PM (qCMvj)

219 I want to believe so very much that Cruz is for real.

But why did his staff totally get that McCorrupto was lying but Ted could not see it or believe it?

Something is still not right.

Posted by: GBruno at July 24, 2015 01:43 PM (u49WF)

Because they ALL

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:43 PM (AkOaV)

220 I am not sure why there are so many people invested in lying about Trump.

Again, of a piece with ace's call for telling the truth in politics. There are LOTS of true things that are available to other candidates and the GOPe as a whole to criticize Trump for. LOTS.

But there is stuff like the third party thing. Trump has taken the Fuck You War thing to heart, and he really, really can because he has eff you money.

What he says is, hey, GOP, if you want to beat me fair and square, fine, but if you screw me over I will go third party and tank you.

So, again, people are trying to mau mau a guy who won't be mau maued.

Stupid party, indeed.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2015 01:44 PM (2Ocf1)

221 I'm just back in before heading off to bed.
Glanced at the heading and drop to the bottom.
Lying RINO's. Expected no less. The didn't disappoint. I see I didn't miss anything.
If you elect us we will put a stop to....The Democrats raking in all the graft. We'll get our share now.
A trip to the woodshed is long overdue. Sorry to say the people don't have a set hanging to take them there.

Posted by: OTB at July 24, 2015 01:44 PM (ShdUd)

222 Gas is holding steady here at 2.55-2.65.
It should be going down like it did before.

Posted by: Soothie at July 24, 2015 01:42 PM (FBA90)


Don't worry it will. Have to get prices low enough to kill off the fracking industry and get us firmly re-suckling the teat of ME oil.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 24, 2015 01:44 PM (nqiq9)

223 >>>> Sounds painful. Does it hurt more when you sit down?



???

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at July 24, 2015 01:44 PM (3ZtZW)

224 We keep getting Republicans who are lying to the base and backstabbing other Republicans because of the number of grown children with the Go Team Go! approach to voting. On the Right, they are sadly a large majority.


Keep voting the same way and expecting a different result.


Fuckers can't even get a first down, but lets keep the coaching staff. At some point the plan just has to start working, right?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 01:44 PM (xSCb6)

225 Oh shit. I just read my post. No, Im not trying to bone him.

Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:44 PM (wnwJC)

226 Heard that some football camps open next week. Here comes Premiere League! Go Manchester City!!

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 01:45 PM (kQBSd)

227 Structural Corporate Cronyismm.

Large Corporate Priveledge.

Lobbyists.

These are the things holding back the individual, he small businessperson, the poor and middle class, the minorities.

#IndividualsMatter

Posted by: MostlyRight at July 24, 2015 01:45 PM (6Cj5J)

228 Gas is holding steady here at 2.55-2.65.

It should be going down like it did before.>>>

So it's like getting married?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 24, 2015 01:45 PM (81UWZ)

229 isn't it obvious the Republican party has been infiltrated by Democrats?

Posted by: oneballobama at July 24, 2015 01:45 PM (9xzJW)

230

Cruz? Meh,, I got this....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 24, 2015 01:46 PM (HSmrB)

231 >>> I want to believe so very much that Cruz is for real.



I believe he's so-so real. Not especially my cuppa, although he is better than Walker IMHO.

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at July 24, 2015 01:46 PM (3ZtZW)

232 If he is elected president, we will still have a corrupt Senate and there is nothing a President can do about that.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot


How has the Senate stopped the current Disaster in Chief in any meaningful way?

Rule of Law is dead. Why not turn the firehose in the other direction?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 01:46 PM (VY8H5)

233
Acknowledging a fairly unusual bit of rhetoric that happens to eloquently state what most here (correctly) believe about major policy issues is just that.

The parallel to the Trump situation is pristine and precise. One can be indifferent to the personal fortunes of the speaker, yet cautiously welcome the speech, *and the possible actual effects it will have on the campaign and framework of discussion*.

We'll see.

It's hardly a bad thing for a high profile senator to be savaging his caucus leader in a way not seen in many decades. Things are desperately bad, and any omen - however slim and small - that the process is slipping outside its normal stifling constraints is at least mildly positive.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2015 01:46 PM (QDnY+)

234 If it's war with the Chamber - then fight. Accuse them of systemic racism, encouraging mass immigration of unskilled labor rather than hiring African Americans. Put the BlackLivesMatter crowd in front of CoC meetings demanding they stop hiring illegals.
Posted by: Jean at July 24, 2015 01:31 PM (ztOda)

Really good idea.

Posted by: Old Hob at July 24, 2015 01:46 PM (VRc/p)

235 The ghost of Belle Starr she hands down her wits
To Jezebel the nun she violently knits
A bald wig for Mitch the Ripper who sits
At the head of the Chamber of Commerce

Mama's in the factory
She ain't got no shoes
Daddy's in the alley
He's looking for the fuse
And I'm in the streets with the Tombstone Blues

Posted by: Bob Dylan at July 24, 2015 01:46 PM (qPVpN)

236 Every candidate is rightly called a president wanna-be.

None of them are going to pass every test (well except JEB)

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 24, 2015 01:46 PM (l2Gqi)

237 oops.

because they all work together behind closed doors and do trust each other for the most part.

Most of what happens on the senate floor is pre ordained before anyone gets on the senate floor. Kabuki for the CSpan cameras if you will.

So Cruz probably did believe McConnell and probably is genuinely pissed he got lied to about a deal during the latest failure theater round of kabuki.

But I don't really care about that. They're politicians, of course they lie. And he's bitching about a procedural thing -- of course McConnell has all kinds of "side deals" going on with everyone. That's how the wheels turn. They're fucking POLITICIANS.

So Cruz could have spent the last 2 years voting against leadership, trying to stop the wheels from turning in the Senate, trying to stop Obama, etc... but really all we got was occasional red meat rhetoric and him siding with the GOPe more often than not.

I feel Cruz is entirely poll driven and his consultants have told him to focus on this "niche" of the base and Cruz is now up there using talking points gleaned from focus groups.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:47 PM (AkOaV)

238
Is it time yet for some of you to trot out "Reagan wouldnt be conservative enough today for some of you"?

Posted by: Soothie at July 24, 2015 01:47 PM (FBA90)

239 I like these two fellows, Trump and Cruz.

Posted by: Howard Beale at July 24, 2015 01:47 PM (JO9+V)

240 Is anyone still under the impression that the GOP wants to win a majority?

Because they don't.

If Trump goes 3rd party , the GOP will simply readjust it's 4 year investment plan to include more left-leaning 'green energy' stocks and target Ex-Im corporate donations.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:47 PM (cNtqS)

241 27
I keep going back to the meeting Cruz and Trump had last week. Does anyone know yet what it was about?

Posted by: Soona at July 24, 2015 01:06 PM (P25Hh)

**** That's where I went to. A collusion I could support?

Posted by: gracepc at July 24, 2015 01:48 PM (DMQhB)

242 How has the Senate stopped the current Disaster in Chief in any meaningful way?

Rule of Law is dead. Why not turn the firehose in the other direction?


Exactly. Obama's set a series of precedents that Nixon would've killed to have. We should make use of them.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 24, 2015 01:48 PM (B/VB5)

243 If Ted Cruz is trying to make me like him he's doing an awfully good job.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 24, 2015 01:48 PM (RD7QR)

244 Don't worry it will. Have to get prices low enough to kill off the fracking industry and get us firmly re-suckling the teat of ME oil.



Talk about stupid party.

When it goes back up, they turn the wells back on.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 01:48 PM (X88sA)

245 It's still not too late to go in the stripper/porn star direction for a candidate. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2015 01:48 PM (6xtq3)

246 @Jean that isn't the way to go.

The Chamber is about money.

Say, hey, we have memories. We will win and we will defund the shit out of you.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2015 01:49 PM (2Ocf1)

247
I HOPE Cruz is the real deal, but I am leery. Walker DQ'd himself via Dayspring.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 24, 2015 01:49 PM (8marX)

248 It's hardly a bad thing for a high profile senator to be savaging his caucus leader in a way not seen in many decades. Things are desperately bad, and any omen - however slim and small - that the process is slipping outside its normal stifling constraints is at least mildly positive.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2015 01:46 PM (QDnY+)

No, I guess not. But again, I can't help but feel it's just campaign rhetoric. All presidential contenders will get super on board with us, rhetoric wise, until they get our votes and money, then they'll go back to business as usual in DC.

That's been the pattern for my entire life, at least.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:49 PM (AkOaV)

249 I almost hate Cruz for making me care about his candidacy. He's speaking my language in this speech.

Posted by: Fred at July 24, 2015 01:49 PM (U76Nz)

250 226 Camps? The Camps are opening?

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2015 01:49 PM (6xtq3)

251 Good post Ace.


Yes, as I've said something is happening here. Cruz is not a man that just drops truthbombs randomly.



Could the rubes be finally rising up to fuck these asshole GOPe'rs over??

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 01:50 PM (q5APL)

252 Cruz should do a Contract with America type thing so that downticket candidates can sign on to the coattails.

Run against the democrats, the press and establishment GOP.

49 state sweep.

Posted by: jwest at July 24, 2015 01:50 PM (P/xrJ)

253 Rush is talking about this.

I think that he sees it all for what it is and is simply reporting on the smoking ruin.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:50 PM (cNtqS)

254 I am not sure why there are so many people invested in lying about Trump.
*This might include you*.Again, of a piece with ace's call for telling the truth in politics. There are LOTS of true things that are available to other candidates and the GOPe as a whole to criticize Trump for. LOTS. But there is stuff like the third party thing. Trump has taken the Fuck You War thing to heart, and he really, really can because he has eff you money.
* We all noticed that he can, and does this. We all know that the rest of the Pack of Stupid (PoS) are simply trying to outbland and outlive each other. That doesn't make him the best; it means that he is palying to his strengths.*What he says is, hey, GOP, if you want to beat me fair and square, fine, but if you screw me over I will go third party and tank you. So, again, people are trying to mau mau a guy who won't be mau maued.
*or he runs anyway. Or not. And the notion that trump is yearning to win or die in a "fair" contest and then walk away doesn't exactly sound like the guy we're known for about 25 yewars.Stupid party, indeed.
Posted by: blaster

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 24, 2015 01:50 PM (Spluw)

255 This Shark Attack movie is as schlocky as the others Sy Fy has shown this week, but I give it bonus marks for passing on CGI sharks and instead using models.

Posted by: logprof at July 24, 2015 01:51 PM (KleQB)

256 By the way, whom do Americans, of all parties, hate the most?


Politicians, especially career politicians.


Who is Trump going after hardest? hmmmmm.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 01:51 PM (q5APL)

257
And leave Missouri alone. There are pricks everywhere.

Oh and a . . . Manchester United!

Posted by: GBruno at July 24, 2015 01:51 PM (u49WF)

258
Instead of bashing the man ( Cruz) why not email, call or snail mail him some support for his attack--along with a question of now what else?

Put some support where the mouth is,if enough voices are heard I will about guarantee that some kind of action will be forthcoming.

Unless y'all feel it's safer to just to squeak and bitch.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 01:51 PM (jeCnD)

259 4 and 1st! dances around on table top.
Posted by: willow at July 24, 2015 12:59 PM (nqBYe)

*breaks out the one dollar bills*

Posted by: Insomniac at July 24, 2015 01:52 PM (2Ojst)

260 Unless y'all feel it's safer to just to squeak and bitch.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 01:51 PM (jeCnD)

I for one, am on team Squeak and Bitch.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:52 PM (AkOaV)

261 OT- Have they identified the guy who shot up the theater yet? Usually they're blaring news about these situations from the rooftops.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at July 24, 2015 01:53 PM (Mxs5H)

262 Speaking of lying, Hillary is on TV. She's going to raise incomes of all Americans. Great, I want a 100% pay raise. I have no idea how the company I work for will afford but let's go for it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 24, 2015 01:53 PM (493sH)

263 261 OT- Have they identified the guy who shot up the theater yet? Usually they're blaring news about these situations from the rooftops.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at July 24, 2015 01:53 PM (Mxs5H)

Yep. 58 year old white guy.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 01:53 PM (fWAjv)

264 Time to expose who is in the Chamber of Commerce. Why they want illegals, and why they want a nuclear Iran.
Just like we need to go after all the corporations donating to Planned Parenthood and their baby chop-shops.

Posted by: Iblis at July 24, 2015 01:53 PM (frlnL)

265 261 OT- Have they identified the guy who shot up the theater yet? Usually they're blaring news about these situations from the rooftops.
Posted by: nnptcgrad at July 24, 2015 01:53 PM (Mxs5H)

He seems to be connected to the Tea Party in some way shape or form, which is what matters to them.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 24, 2015 01:54 PM (RD7QR)

266 Manchester United!

Posted by: GBruno at July 24, 2015 01:51 PM (u49WF)

Pffft! Call me when you have a team.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 01:54 PM (kQBSd)

267 Is it time yet for some of you to trot out "Reagan wouldnt be conservative enough today for some of you"?

Posted by: Soothie

Sure. Many of you would cross off Reagan today.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 24, 2015 01:54 PM (VAsIq)

268 259 see 245

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2015 01:54 PM (6xtq3)

269 Unless y'all feel it's safer to just to squeak and bitch.


Up til now, Cruz has lead the squeak and bitch caucus.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:54 PM (cNtqS)

270 I feel Cruz is entirely poll driven and his
consultants have told him to focus on this "niche" of the base and Cruz
is now up there using talking points gleaned from focus groups.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:47 PM


If Cruz regularly got stomped trying to stop Choom Boy, the Bitch and Boner from pushing their traitorous schemes through Congress, I'd have a lot more respect for him. A guy who loses while actively fighting for what he believes in has more cred, IMO, than a high-bleacher who yaps about it afterward.

Right now, Cruz could change his name to Dindu Nuffin and that would be about right.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 24, 2015 01:55 PM (rCmeG)

271 I'll give Ted Cruz credit for calling McConnell out as a liar. No namby-pamby polite understatements.

Emerson famously wrote that "if you strike at a king, you must kill him." He's crossed the Rubicon with McConnell by saying that, and if you think Boehner's vengeance on his Republican opposition was petty and spiteful, be prepared for McConnell's.

But I will say that if Cruz doesn't get the nomination, McConnell better damn well brace himself for whatever the next Senate Majority Leader pulls out of his bag of retribution.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at July 24, 2015 01:55 PM (iIzG7)

272 Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 01:51 PM (jeCnD)



Are we not doing enough for your tastes based off of your insightful analysis of a comment thread?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 01:55 PM (xSCb6)

273 No I mean name. I mean ffs Richard Reid was a white guy, but went by the name Abdel Rahim. It just seems odd they haven't found a name yet.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at July 24, 2015 01:55 PM (Mxs5H)

274 *breaks out the one dollar bills*

Posted by: Insomniac at July 24, 2015 01:52 PM (2Ojst)

*carts in wheelbarrow filled with Zimbabwean 100 trillion dollar bills


Shit. I think you're still ahead.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 01:55 PM (fWAjv)

275 Cucks to the left of me, cucks to the right...

Stuck in the middle with you.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at July 24, 2015 01:56 PM (oFCZn)

276 Sure. Many of you would cross off Reagan today.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson


Reagan admitted to making mistakes in dealing with the Devilcrats.

So, if we're being honest, Reagan crossed himself off.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 01:56 PM (VY8H5)

277
If Cruz regularly got stomped trying to stop Choom Boy, the Bitch
and Boner from pushing their traitorous schemes through Congress, I'd
have a lot more respect for him.


yerp.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:56 PM (cNtqS)

278 Cruz, like everybody else, knows that every last feathermucker in Washington is a lying SOB despite what 'he told his staff (wink, wink).' He's playing the game. That's all.

Posted by: RLTW at July 24, 2015 01:56 PM (mJLvJ)

279 Have they identified the guy who shot up the theater yet? Usually they're blaring news about these situations from the rooftops.



I think you answered your own question.

I think they found some stuff they didn't like.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 01:57 PM (X88sA)

280 Put some support where the mouth is,if enough voices are heard I will about guarantee that some kind of action will be forthcoming.

Unless y'all feel it's safer to just to squeak and bitch.
Posted by: irongrampa
-------------

That. A couple of letters in the mail are worth 10,000 times mores than a single complaining line here.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 24, 2015 01:57 PM (9mTYi)

281 >>No I mean name. I mean ffs Richard Reid was a white guy, but went by the name Abdel Rahim. It just seems odd they haven't found a name yet.

John Russel Houser. They've been reporting his name since early this morning.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 01:57 PM (OGm46)

282 Putting your trust in any Price of Politics will lead to heartbreak. Deserved heartbreak.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 01:57 PM (YpE/V)

283 @256-Trump is going after not so prescient easily impressed retards.

Posted by: JROD at July 24, 2015 01:57 PM (wnwJC)

284 273 No I mean name. I mean ffs Richard Reid was a white guy, but went by the name Abdel Rahim. It just seems odd they haven't found a name yet.
Posted by: nnptcgrad at July 24, 2015 01:55 PM (Mxs5H)

there's a name.

you can google it.

He had 3 names IIRC.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:57 PM (AkOaV)

285 Instead of bashing the man ( Cruz) why not email, call or snail mail him some support for his attack--along with a question of now what else?

I just dropped him a donation. If he sees a major surge in donations from this, it will encourage future "acting out". Even if you think he doesn't believe a word of it and it's all polls, make damn sure his polls and other inputs show support for doing this.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 24, 2015 01:57 PM (B/VB5)

286 Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 01:51 PM (jeCnD) Yep. Done.

Posted by: gracepmc at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (DMQhB)

287 273 No I mean name. I mean ffs Richard Reid was a white guy, but went by the name Abdel Rahim. It just seems odd they haven't found a name yet.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at July 24, 2015 01:55 PM (Mxs5H)

John Russell Houser aka Rusty Houser

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (fWAjv)

288 What I like about Trump is his fight - he came out and said "You attack me - I'll attack you. You have to fight back". Mc Cain, Graham, and Perry have found this out. I really think that along with the issues of illegal immigration, people like someone who fights back in no uncertain terms.

Posted by: Cheri at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (oiNtH)

289 If I was Cruz in a meeting with Trump, I would be telling him that there are treaties and trade agreements all around the world that need renegotiation, but a President can't do that personally. It would take a Secretary of State Trump to put the country right.

Posted by: jwest at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (P/xrJ)

290 WHoopsie!

Per Rush : Officials found at least FOUR classified emails on Hillary's private server.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (cNtqS)

291 259 see 245
Posted by: Weasel


See 932 and 423

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (VY8H5)

292 So I suppose we have to preface our comments with an itemized list of our relevant actions offline?


GMAFB

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (xSCb6)

293 So, at least one GOP candidate is learning from Trump's bombastic approach.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (39g3+)

294 "Where's this indignation been for the last 2 years?
Cruz has been going along with all of this for 2 years and is only now
getting pissed now that his campaign is being overshadowed by Donald
fricking Trump.



Eh, whatever.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:16 PM (AkOaV)"

That is a fcuking stupid thing to write.

Has he been polite to the other senators? Yes, he has.

Has he worked with them on some issues? Yes, he has.

But is this the first time that he has pissed on their Wheaties? No. No it is not.

The asinine, knee-jerk full-on flame so many here default to on anything they disagree with is truly disappointing.

Ted Cruz has fought -- fine, argued -- strenuously for the things he promised that he would argue for. For most of those things, he has had to argue with his "own party."

Who else besides Mike Lee has done that?

And, for fcuk's sake, if you're going to spit on him for his TPA vote, at least familiarize yourself with his stated reasons for that vote. You may disagree with them, but he had actual reasons.

All of you armchair cowboys act as though you know direct from Allah that Cruz performed his heretical actions specifically to nail you in the keister.

I almost wouldn't blame him for going DC, given the ragingly childish manner in which his putative supporters jump on his every mistake and dismiss his every good action.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 01:59 PM (DQU/+)

295 290 WHoopsie!

Per Rush : Officials found at least FOUR classified emails on Hillary's private server.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (cNtqS)

For which you and I would do time but for which Hillary will see no consequences.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 24, 2015 02:00 PM (RD7QR)

296
>>>If he is elected president, we will still have a corrupt Senate and there is nothing a President can do about that.


I have some ideas on that.

Posted by: Palpatine at July 24, 2015 02:00 PM (9TK8E)

297 I just opened a window and shouted "Go Ted."

I'm a fighter.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:00 PM (cNtqS)

298 Up til now, Cruz has lead the squeak and bitch caucus.

So, we loathe the Establishment because they are no better than the Socialist Demonrats.

But anytime someone goes the Establishment, we find some picky reason to attack them, for not being genuine enough or whatever.

Effin' bunch of geniuses we are.

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 02:00 PM (O7MnT)

299 289 If I was Cruz in a meeting with Trump, I would be telling him that there are treaties and trade agreements all around the world that need renegotiation, but a President can't do that personally. It would take a Secretary of State Trump to put the country right.

Posted by: jwest at July 24, 2015 01:58 PM (P/xrJ)


I was thinking about this the other day.

Is a president required to use the State Department? Is there a law requiring them to be the negotiating party?

I think a president can send anyone he or she wants to do the negotiating. If so it's a good way to get around the traitors at State.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 24, 2015 02:00 PM (oFCZn)

300 Cruz couldn't call McConnell a liar until he lied. 54 Witnesses about what he said in Senate meetings.. Nice.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 24, 2015 02:00 PM (Xa4vS)

301 I'm sure the focus groups told him this is where most of the "TEA Party" types are at mentally.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 01:22 PM (AkOaV)

Let's face it, reading the public is part of being a politician. If it isn't and the politicians can just do what they want, then we have problems. And notice Cruz is at least noticing what the base is mad about. It's better than the ramblings of Jeb!

Posted by: WOPR at July 24, 2015 02:01 PM (nRvEn)

302 "Have they identified the guy who shot up the theater yet? Usually they're blaring news about these situations from the rooftops. "

---------------

"I think you answered your own question.

"I think they found some stuff they didn't like."

--------------------

I dunno. Apparently the guy was pretty active on online political forums, and said a lot of right-leaning* things. The left-wing sites like Gawker and Mother Jones are having a field day with it.

* I say "right-leaning" with a grain of salt. Apparently most of it wasn't exactly "mainstream" American religious or political conservatism, more along the line of support for Greece's "Golden Dawn" party and Westboro "Baptist Church."

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 24, 2015 02:01 PM (Maary)

303 264
Time to expose who is in the Chamber of Commerce. Why they want illegals, and why they want a nuclear Iran.

Just like we need to go after all the corporations donating to Planned Parenthood and their baby chop-shops.

Boeing and General Electric stand to make tens of billions off relaxing the Iran sanctions.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at July 24, 2015 02:01 PM (jLStj)

304 Per Rush : Officials found at least FOUR classified emails on Hillary's private server.

As SoS Hillary's CALENDAR would have been classified. She had to have 100's of classified emails sent to her daily.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 02:01 PM (kQBSd)

305 This is why I don't support Ted Cruz for President. We need him as Senate Majority Leader

See, this is something that long bothered me. Quality guys in one position really are better staying in that position. Being great as a voice in the legislature means you're valuable there.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:02 PM (39g3+)

306 294

Who else besides Mike Lee has done that? Senator Sessions.

Posted by: gracepmc at July 24, 2015 02:02 PM (DMQhB)

307 @ 272

All I see is squeak and bitch, consistent doom and gloom, and any counter proposals put forth are immediately discarded as ineffective.

That's what the insightful analysis has shown.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 02:02 PM (jeCnD)

308 I mean I really don't know.

I thought one thing the president does have is pretty wide powers to negotiate in the sphere of foreign affairs.

That's one thing a president can do.

Anyway to bypass the State Department would be a win.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 24, 2015 02:02 PM (oFCZn)

309 I don't understand the Chamber of Commerce's endgame here. They want millions of immigrants for cheap labor. But they support candidates who will raise the minimum wage and increase labor costs in other ways. There is not net gain for them.

Do they just want more people hanging around in front of their businesses looking for work as decoration?

Posted by: Thatch at July 24, 2015 02:02 PM (pBZp4)

310 And, for fcuk's sake, if you're going to spit on him for his TPA vote, at least familiarize yourself with his stated reasons for that vote. You may disagree with them, but he had actual reasons.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 01:59 PM (DQU/+)

Hey, asshole, his stated reason was (and still is) "I'm in favor of free trade." which is a jack off response.

His stated reason for voting FOR the Corker Bill is essentially "I was mislead."

I don't know his excuse for every other vote he's taken (or purposely missed) in his short tenure in the Senate, but I'm sick of candidates speaking one way and acting another.

And I'm sick of politicians treating me like I'm an idiot and condescendingly telling me one thing while doing the other.

AND I'm sick of assholes who call ME names because I don't buy their preferred politicians shit right off the bat and take him "at his word."

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:03 PM (AkOaV)

311 *carts in wheelbarrow filled with Zimbabwean 100 trillion dollar bills


Shit. I think you're still ahead.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 01:55 PM (fWAjv)

Inflation is a stone bitch.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 24, 2015 02:03 PM (2Ojst)

312 I've always liked his Mission Impossible movies.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 24, 2015 02:03 PM (nSj9w)

313 Great speech from Cruz, or should I call him Cortez? He burned all his bridges today in this speech. He's not going to be having drinks and dinner with either the crony capitalists or the GOP leadership anytime soon after that roasting, that's for sure.

That was like the comment section getting a chance to say it directly to Mitch McConnell's duplicitous face and I loved it.

Posted by: MTF at July 24, 2015 02:04 PM (TxJGV)

314 193
If people are looking for a conservative who not only fights but wins
even when it almost cost him his job, Scott Walker is the man. He may
not be a red meat, barn burner of a speechifier but he gets results and
he wins.
=========
Results like WI voting for Romney-Ryan?

Oh.

Right.

Major appeal.

(PS: I like Walker but not being able to deliver his home state in the biggest election we've had? That overshadows anything else he's done--that says he is much weaker electorally than his election, reelection suggests. Or that he wanted the decks cleared for his own Presidential ambitions--neither are good signs.)

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 24, 2015 02:04 PM (ZvKdv)

315 I don't understand the Chamber of Commerce's endgame here. They want millions of immigrants for cheap labor. But they support candidates who will raise the minimum wage and increase labor costs in other ways. There is not net gain for them.

Remember when the USSR collapsed and all the commie oligarchs became billionaires?

That's the endgame.

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 02:04 PM (O7MnT)

316 I for one, am on team Squeak and Bitch.


Splitter!

Posted by: Team Bitch and Squeak at July 24, 2015 02:04 PM (/kI1Q)

317

All I see is squeak and bitch, consistent doom and gloom, and
any counter proposals put forth are immediately discarded as
ineffective.


GOP Failure Theater will do that to you after a few years.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:04 PM (cNtqS)

318 Cruz is still at the top of my list but he is either stupid or lying about believing McConnell

Posted by: redbanzai at July 24, 2015 02:05 PM (OrI3J)

319
All of you armchair cowboys act as though you know direct from Allah that Cruz performed his heretical actions specifically to nail you in the keister. I almost wouldn't blame him for going DC, given the ragingly childish manner in which his putative supporters jump on his every mistake and dismiss his every good action.
Posted by: revolting peasant




https://youtu.be/o0vDYEJ0Y7Y

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 02:05 PM (kdS6q)

320 Trump reminds me of that scene in Butch Cassidy and His Liberal Side Kick
Paul Newman say's


Let me explain the rules to the knife fight...


Go Trump FKEMAL let the L*D sort em out...

Posted by: Valdez is Coming at July 24, 2015 02:05 PM (/WmRg)

321 304 Per Rush : Officials found at least FOUR classified emails on Hillary's private server.

As SoS Hillary's CALENDAR would have been classified. She had to have 100's of classified emails sent to her daily.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 02:01 PM (kQBSd)

Right. This is just a sampling. If they did an actual detailed analysis there would be hundreds of classified documents on an unsecured machine to which anybody -- even, say, the Russians and Chinese -- could have gained access. Normal people would do Federal time for that.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 24, 2015 02:06 PM (RD7QR)

322
AND I'm sick of assholes who call ME names because I don't buy their
preferred politicians shit right off the bat and take him "at his
word."


Agreed. See also "definition of insanity".

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:06 PM (cNtqS)

323 It would take a Secretary of State Trump to put the country right.

He wouldn't take the position but yeah I bet he'd do pretty good... until his ego took over and he just started making up policy and demands, concessions, and positions on the fly.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:06 PM (39g3+)

324 >>Posted by: RoyalOil at July 24, 2015 02:04 PM (ZvKdv)

Yeah, let's just find reasons to bitch about all of Jeb's rivals.

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 02:06 PM (O7MnT)

325 Shooter was a full on LiB type of nutter.


The way I see it,the faster he wrecks this nation, which in no way resembles what it's founders envisioned,the faster working people with morals may re-assume command

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 02:06 PM (fWAjv)

326 Anyway to bypass the State Department would be a win.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 24, 2015 02:02 PM (oFCZn)


I would like to see Trump in charge of the State Department for a few years. Clean that place out.

If he can't fire them, move their desks out on the lawn and make them wear clown suits.

Fuck with them until they quit.

Posted by: jwest at July 24, 2015 02:06 PM (P/xrJ)

327 When to do we get news on how great and compassionate and Mexicany Jeb Bush is? Cuz a day without hearing about Jeb is like eternal punishment by Satan's Barbed Cock.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 24, 2015 02:07 PM (oDCMR)

328 ***"All I see is squeak and bitch, consistent doom and gloom,


Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 02:02 PM (jeCnD)"***


That's because we don't report to you, Big Chief.


This really shouldn't be so hard to grasp.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:07 PM (xSCb6)

329
"He brought up his Obamacare amendment... which is a smokescreen, because it's intended to fail."

Hm! That's a pretty good insight.


Huh. It's like he reads a smart military blog for its comments section or something.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at July 24, 2015 02:08 PM (1hM1d)

330 I don't understand the Chamber of Commerce's endgame here. They want millions of immigrants for cheap labor. But they support candidates who will raise the minimum wage and increase labor costs in other ways. There is not net gain for them.

Do they just want more people hanging around in front of their businesses looking for work as decoration?
Posted by: Thatch


Nope.

Automation and cheaper labor markets elsewhere makes all of that moot.

B'sides why do you think a Federal government that ignores borders and citizenship will suddenly start enforcing labor laws on the poor dears?

Do you think that cities enforce building codes in areas populated by illegals, as well?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 02:08 PM (VY8H5)

331 Remember when the base turned out to be sure the Senate was in the GOP hands? Remember when the Lefts' talking points became, "Yes they have won, but now can they govern?"
These sham bills are them governing.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 24, 2015 02:08 PM (nSj9w)

332 WOWSER!

Posted by: Always On Watch at July 24, 2015 02:08 PM (zQWxC)

333 >> I like Walker but not being able to deliver his home state in the biggest election we've had? That overshadows anything else he's done--that says he is much weaker electorally than his election, reelection suggests. Or that he wanted the decks cleared for his own Presidential ambitions--neither are good signs

If that is the worst thing that Walker has done which really isn't his job anyway, I can live with it. When was the last time Wisconsin went for a Republican President, Reagan?

Walker's record of executive governance in WI which is not exactly conservative central is impressive to me. He may not be perfect but none of them are. I can live with Walker.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 02:09 PM (OGm46)

334 Wait and see who condemns Cruz for calling Mc Connell out and you will see the enemy. Their office should be flooded with letters and calls asking if 'Why does Senator Blank support lying?".

Posted by: Cheri at July 24, 2015 02:09 PM (oiNtH)

335
324
>>Posted by: RoyalOil at July 24, 2015 02:04 PM (ZvKdv)



Yeah, let's just find reasons to bitch about all of Jeb's rivals.


V the K - you have been around a long time.

Are you seriously gonna let a lawyer/politician sway you like Janet Jackson?

"What have you done for me lately?"

These guys have been undermining our trust for years.

They should have to build a body of work to win us over.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:10 PM (cNtqS)

336 >>> squeak and bitch


Dog and mouse?

Posted by: Bigby's Roshambo at July 24, 2015 02:10 PM (3ZtZW)

337 17,582.40 -149.52(-0.84%)

Posted by: DJIA Death Watch at July 24, 2015 02:11 PM (evdj2)

338 The way I see it,the faster he wrecks this nation, which in no way resembles what it's founders envisioned,the faster working people with morals may re-assume command

So they finally, after scores of monsters and shooters, all leftist and/or Muslim, after years of searching, finally found a right-wing shooter?

I guess 1 out of the last 50 is going to be absolute proof to them, huh?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:11 PM (39g3+)

339 Great speech from Cruz, or should I call him Cortez? He burned all his bridges today in this speech. He's not going to be having drinks and dinner with either the crony capitalists or the GOP leadership anytime soon after that roasting, that's for sure.



He'll dine with Trump.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 02:11 PM (X88sA)

340 "One speech that reduces to "I'm a victim who's
easily fooled" and the Cruz bandwagon fills up. Tossing hay bales over
the side to make room for more.

Amazing.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 01:27 PM (kdS6q)"

Oh, bullshit.

What? You're smarter and more informed about McConnell's character than Ted Cruz is?

Cruz almost certainly knew that McConnell could be lying, but didn't have the blatant evidence to prove it.

Do you recall the Marine, Dan Rather, et al joke with the cannibals? "If I hadn't let the cannibals kick me before I blew their brains out, all y'all useless bitches would have had me hanged as a warmonger for saving your sorry asses."

You know how Trump has moved talking about illegal aliens to inside the Overton Window?

Well, Cruz has just made it acceptable for senators and congressmen to publicly mistrust the leadership.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:11 PM (DQU/+)

341 Walker's record of executive governance in WI which is not exactly conservative central is impressive to me. He may not be perfect but none of them are. I can live with Walker.

The trouble is the fix is in for JEB. That's why the long knifes are out for Trump. He's thrown a monkey wrench into their plans by gaining so much support so fast.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 02:12 PM (kQBSd)

342
>>>Dog and mouse?


Moose and sqvirrel.

Posted by: Boris Badenov at July 24, 2015 02:12 PM (9TK8E)

343 I' a gonna get me a Cruz missile!

Posted by: Mitch McTurtle at July 24, 2015 02:12 PM (W5DcG)

344 We only hit you because we love you.

Look at this nice shiny thing that I bought you!

Posted by: GOP at July 24, 2015 02:12 PM (cNtqS)

345 blaster - I think we need to hit back, a little blood on their nose will keep them from being so aggressive. We could really hurt them by making E-Verify work - which would take about three days for a competent contractor team to do.

Circulate a pledge, "I offer a personal bond of $500K, that as President I ensure E-Verify is functional within 30 days of my inauguration." Float the bond and demand signatures.

Posted by: Jean at July 24, 2015 02:12 PM (ztOda)

346 342
>>>Dog and mouse?


Moose and sqvirrel.
Posted by: Boris Badenov at July 24, 2015 02:12 PM (9TK8E)

Chicken and cow

Posted by: Insomniac at July 24, 2015 02:13 PM (2Ojst)

347 ***"And, for fcuk's sake, if you're going to spit on him for his TPA vote, at least familiarize yourself with his stated reasons for that vote. You may disagree with them, but he had actual reasons."***


Oh well, my stars and garters folks, he had REASONS! Well, by gum, why didn't you say so in the first place. If that's all a fella needs, I guess it don't matter what those REASONS are as long as he had 'em!


That's some serious mental prowess right there.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:13 PM (xSCb6)

348 Good for Cruz but he says he was clearly FOR giving Obama TPA if not for Ex-IM. McConnel is a liar but Cruz is a Chamber of Commerce crony.

Posted by: James Lingk at July 24, 2015 02:13 PM (Bcqod)

349 "One speech that reduces to "I'm a victim who's
easily fooled"


My guess is that it was a useful rhetorical device. Picking a strong, irrefutable moment to shout "you lie" when there are lots of witnesses and plenty of proof them framing it as a "well I tried to trust him, but he violated it" moment.

But even if it wasn't, remember a few years ago, most people here, if not the great majority, thought McConnell was the real deal and trusted him. Everyone has to reach their own point where they don't take any more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:13 PM (39g3+)

350 What is this world coming to.

Willow! First!!

Down is up, night is day, dogs are cats!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 02:13 PM (TOk1P)

351 Are you seriously gonna let a lawyer/politician sway you like Janet Jackson?

I am just tired of seeing conservative candidates get rejected because of silliness. "Walker threw Wisconsin to Obama because he wanted to be president." Or, "Ted Cruz voted present on TPP."

Do you want Jeb? Because this is how you get Jeb.

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 02:13 PM (O7MnT)

352
Oh, bullshit. What? You're smarter and more informed about McConnell's character than Ted Cruz is?
Posted by: revolting peasant




Yes.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 02:13 PM (kdS6q)

353 Yep, "talk show host."


http://tinyurl.com/nodf63d

According to Floyd, who has since retired from the station, Houser's role was limited to call-ins and occasional debates on '15 or 20 episodes,' starting with a call about a fight he was having with the city's water department. Sometimes, Houser - 'pretty much a radical Republican,' in Floyd's view - would be pitted against a local Democrat to tear into the issues of the day.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 02:14 PM (fWAjv)

354 "Have to get prices low enough to kill off the fracking industry and get us firmly re-suckling the teat of ME oil.







Talk about stupid party.



When it goes back up, they turn the wells back on.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 01:48 PM (X88sA)"

Yeah. I wondered at the gullibility of all the people who believe the Saudi's saying they're keeping output up to break the fracing industry.

It is to screw the Iranians and the Russians, because Obama has switched sides.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:15 PM (DQU/+)

355 Re: emails,
Once upon a time staffers would receive mail and sort it into yea or nay piles.
A few years ago congress was doing something so contemptible their fax machines were running 24/7, then they just turned the machines off and passed the bill anyway.

They just turn the fax machines off and do what they want to do.
They don't give a f--- about you.

They don't give a f--- about you at the precinct either.


Posted by: Ralph at July 24, 2015 02:15 PM (CCNCh)

356 The butthurt that fanbois here experience when you don't like their team is reaching critical mass.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:15 PM (xSCb6)

357 Sure it's been said already: Cruz could announce Right. Now. That he is leaving the Republican Party, and forming a Presidential run as an independent. He would immediately become the frontrunner, and might win.

The thing is though, I'm not fully convinced Cruz is quite what he sometimes, occasionally suggests he is.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 02:16 PM (TOk1P)

358 52 13
Ted Cruz is a plant by the GOP establishment. His vote on the TPA (or was it TPP?) smoked him out. This is just a show.

THIS TOO.


Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at July 24, 2015 01:10 PM (9KToF)


I wasn't a fan of that deal, but there was some things for conservatives to like such as opening trade to Asia, and for Cruz (and myself) opening the potential to export natural gas to countries like Japan and S. Korea. My main objections is that it was Obama going to implement it.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:16 PM (t06LC)

359 @ 328


Case in point.

Squeak and bitch.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 02:17 PM (jeCnD)

360 You know how Trump has moved talking about illegal aliens to inside the Overton Window?

Well, Cruz has just made it acceptable for senators and congressmen to publicly mistrust the leadership.



Almost as if they had a meeting and planned this (!)

Hey I like it. I hope they did work on this together.

I guess unlike some that I am just not that gullible.

Fool me once...

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:17 PM (cNtqS)

361 >>> squeak and bitch
>>>Dog and mouse?
>>>Moose and sqvirrel.

Itchy and Scratchy?

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 24, 2015 02:17 PM (nSj9w)

362 Yeah. I wondered at the gullibility of all the people who believe the Saudi's saying they're keeping output up to break the fracing industry.

It is to screw the Iranians and the Russians, because Obama has switched sides.
Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:15 PM (DQU/+)

It screws American fracking much more than it screws the Iranians or the Russians.

Don't get me wrong, it hurts every oil producing nation (including KSA and their Gulf allies) but I doubt this is specifically aimed at Iran or Russia.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:17 PM (AkOaV)

363 266 Manchester United!
Posted by: GBruno at July 24, 2015 01:51 PM (u49WF)

Kickball season already?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 24, 2015 02:18 PM (nqiq9)

364
>>>Chicken and Cow


Do the monkey with me!

Posted by: Johnny Bravo at July 24, 2015 02:18 PM (9TK8E)

365 Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 02:17 PM (jeCnD)


Translation: This is all I got.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:18 PM (xSCb6)

366 >>>Dog and mouse?


Moose and sqvirrel.


Dog and butterfly.

Posted by: Heart at July 24, 2015 02:19 PM (evdj2)

367 You fucked up, Senator Cruz.

You trusted me.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at July 24, 2015 02:19 PM (1ijHg)

368 Kickball season already?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 24, 2015 02:18 PM (nqiq9)

Cowboys fan

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 02:19 PM (kQBSd)

369 By contrast, Trump on the Morning Joe:

"When the economy crashed so horribly under George Bush because of mistakes [Republicans] made having to do with banking and lots of other things, I don't think the Democrats would have done that."

This is in regards to being questioned about why he said in the past that he identifies more with Democrats and that in his view the economy does better under Democrats.

Were Republicans to blame for what happened? Yes, in part. They had the power to stop the bubble, to rein in Fannie and Freddie, and the power to overturn the Community Reinvestment Act. They could have stopped banks from trading worthless loan accounts as if they were valuable.

But that all started under and because of Democrats, and when the crash happened, the Dems were in congress and could have done something about it, like President Bush asked congress too more than a dozen times.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:19 PM (39g3+)

370 The 2016 GOP nominee is on track to be the worst in my lifetime, and that includes Nixon. This is our chance to stay home or vote donk and put this sick perverted liberal corrupt GOP out of it's misery.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 24, 2015 02:19 PM (zauWW)

371 I gotz a bonerz.

Posted by: dogfish at July 24, 2015 02:20 PM (jWtyG)

372
remember a few years ago, most people here, if not the great majority, thought McConnell was the real deal and trusted him.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor



Sure. Every time, on every issue, on every vote, there's some who shout their eternal faith in the GOP to get it right this time.

These folks are a great market for Cow/Handful of Magic Beans options investment seminars.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 02:20 PM (kdS6q)

373 We throw the kukubirds a little red meat and they get all giddy and sentimental about our past intimacies.

Conservatives are so easy to manipulate.

Posted by: John McCain at July 24, 2015 02:20 PM (UzPAd)

374 Wake me when Cruz says he's had enough and is forming a third party.

Oh. Right.

He won't.

Actions are louder than words.

And if you're boss is a lying sack of shit, lying to you, lying to your customers, and you keep working for him--that mean's you are okay with it.

"But, but, but!! HILLARY!!"

Because the fuck-all the GOP is doing now is worse than President Hillary how?

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 24, 2015 02:20 PM (ZvKdv)

375 I wasn't a fan of that deal, but there was some things for conservatives to like such as opening trade to Asia, and for Cruz (and myself) opening the potential to export natural gas to countries like Japan and S. Korea. My main objections is that it was Obama going to implement it.
Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:16 PM (t06LC)

The deal is not about "free trade".

For free trade, you just keep tariffs low and export to anyone who wants it and know that the free market will cause other countries to reciprocate.

secret 6-year in the making multi thousand page bills... not free trade.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:21 PM (AkOaV)

376 I am just tired of seeing conservative candidates get rejected because of silliness.

Meh, it's why we have primaries.

I said yesterday, something primal is going on here : self-defense . I am just hoping that WALKERCRUZTRUMP can rise to the challenge and not bail out like McCain! Fred!.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:21 PM (cNtqS)

377 This guy Cruz sure seems to be naive.

Sheesh.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 24, 2015 02:21 PM (1ijHg)

378 'pretty much a radical Republican,'

Pfuh. Last time there were "radical" Republicans was Reconstruction.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 24, 2015 02:21 PM (/kI1Q)

379

Piss and moan.
Whine and groan.
Squeak and bitch.
Scratch my itch.

Posted by: Mitch McTurtle at July 24, 2015 02:21 PM (W5DcG)

380 The individuals who sent and system administrators who allowed classified traffic to get to HRC's private server should be prosecuted as well.

Posted by: Jean at July 24, 2015 02:21 PM (ztOda)

381 "AND I'm sick of assholes who call ME names because I
don't buy their preferred politicians shit right off the bat and take
him "at his word."

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:03 PM (AkOaV)

Are we at the "you are destroying MY Country if you don't vote my way" part yet. That was so fun last time around I can't wait for the repeat.


Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 02:23 PM (YpE/V)

382 @ 372 "remember a few years ago, most people here, if not the great majority, thought McConnell was the real deal and trusted him."

I still do!

Posted by: Most Gullible Person in the World Ever at July 24, 2015 02:23 PM (Maary)

383 The thing is though, I'm not fully convinced Cruz is quite what he sometimes, occasionally suggests he is.

He's a politician so, yeah, none of them are exactly who they portray themselves as. But he won an awful lot of admiration and benefit of doubt by filibustering - the real thing, actually talking and doing the work - Obamacare. Not only did he put himself on the line physically and politically, but he is the only legislator that actually too tangible, effective action against the bill.

That earned a lot of respect from me.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:23 PM (39g3+)

384 Finally read "Righteous indignation : excuse me while I save the world!"
by Andrew Breitbart. Bet years from now, after the burning times, it will be proved that guy got WHACKED, not a natural heart attack.

God rest his soul.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at July 24, 2015 02:23 PM (ucB75)

385
The butthurt that fanbois here experience when you don't like their team is reaching critical mass.
Posted by: Burn the Witch




"My boyfriend is not taking advantage of me! It's just -- money's a little tight right now so I had to put his band's studio time on my credit card. But he's going to pay me back with interest when they get signed!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 02:23 PM (kdS6q)

386 Meanwhile Rush is practically giggling his way through his "Hillary email investigation" segment.

He thinks she's toast. Can you imagine how much fun it will be having as the nominee? "Shotguns for everyone and cute chicks to the front of the ropeline!"

Posted by: MTF at July 24, 2015 02:24 PM (TxJGV)

387 >>For free trade, you just keep tariffs low and export to anyone who wants it and know that the free market will cause other countries to reciprocate.

Be nice if it were true but it isn't. You'd be hard pressed to find one western country that doesn't give significant trade help to it's own industries and set barriers for foreigners let alone more totalitarian countries.

Try importing products into Brazil for example. It ain't free.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 02:24 PM (OGm46)

388 Are we at the "you are destroying MY Country if you don't vote my way" part yet. That was so fun last time around I can't wait for the repeat.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 02:23 PM (YpE/V)

We're getting there. Give it ...several... more months and anyone who does not donate to and plan on voting for and volunteering for GOTV efforts for Jeb! or Rubio or whomever hates America and should just fuck off and die somewhere.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:24 PM (AkOaV)

389 Yeah. I wondered at the gullibility of all the people who believe the Saudi's saying they're keeping output up to break the fracing industry.

Once a shooting war starts in the Gulf prices will go right back up.

Posted by: Jean at July 24, 2015 02:24 PM (ztOda)

390 See, this is something that long bothered me.
Quality guys in one position really are better staying in that position.
Being great as a voice in the legislature means you're valuable there.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:02 PM (39g3+)


The U.S. Senate, in and of itself though, is a corrupting institution. Guys go there, and they inevitably have to compromise, one way or another, to the point of not just us peasants not being able to really see who they are, but sometimes them not being able to see for themselves what their principles are, and how to be consistent with them.

If Cruz is a good guy (and really, he may not be), he probably needs to get out of the Senate as quickly as he can.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 02:25 PM (TOk1P)

391 Yeah. I wondered at the gullibility of all the people who believe the Saudi's saying they're keeping output up to break the fracing industry.



No one will leave money in the ground if it is profitable to pull it out

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 02:25 PM (X88sA)

392 362
Yeah. I wondered at the gullibility of all the people who believe the
Saudi's saying they're keeping output up to break the fracing industry.

It is to screw the Iranians and the Russians, because Obama has switched sides.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:15 PM (DQU/+)

It screws American fracking much more than it screws the Iranians or the Russians.

Don't get me wrong, it hurts every oil producing nation (including
KSA and their Gulf allies) but I doubt this is specifically aimed at
Iran or Russia."

The Saudis are fighting 2 proxy wars against Iran (Syria and Yemen). I'm pretty sure hurting Iran by lowering the cost of oil, sort of like they did in the 1980s against the USSR, is an intentional strategy to mitigate the effects of the 100 billion dollar signing bonus we're giving the mullahs.

Posted by: Naes at July 24, 2015 02:25 PM (Ypc8j)

393 Not only did Andrew get whacked, but the Medical Examiner got whacked too, IIRC.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 24, 2015 02:25 PM (1ijHg)

394 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 02:25 PM (kff5f)

395 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 02:26 PM (kff5f)

396 Piss and moan.
Whine and groan.
Squeak and bitch.
Scratch my itch.

-
Slap and tickle

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 02:26 PM (XUKZU)

397 Be nice if it were true but it isn't. You'd be hard pressed to find one western country that doesn't give significant trade help to it's own industries and set barriers for foreigners let alone more totalitarian countries.

Try importing products into Brazil for example. It ain't free.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 02:24 PM (OGm46)

Yes, socialists are going to socialize.

But anyone who wants to get in to the American market and also purchase American technology is going to have to follow suit.

We let them get away with their tariffs and ridiculous trade deals because we do it too and it gives the politicians and their cronies plenty of opportunities to throw their weight around. Kind of like our tax code.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:26 PM (AkOaV)

398 You'd be hard pressed to find one western country that doesn't give
significant trade help to it's own industries and set barriers for
foreigners let alone more totalitarian countries.



Try importing products into Brazil for example. It ain't free.


JackStraw since you seem to know:

How is Walker on international trade and business? Will he tend to agree or disagree with Trump?

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:26 PM (cNtqS)

399 >>Because the fuck-all the GOP is doing now is worse than President Hillary how?

The only time the GOP fights against Democrats is when they're in the minority. When they're in the majority it's all "Kum-bye-yah, my lord, kum-bye-yah."

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 02:26 PM (O7MnT)

400 As I said before , Bush went to Congress four times to request reform on GSE and the Democrats blocked it.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 24, 2015 02:27 PM (KkliO)

401 Lets try something new. Any donation you would make to a Rino send to me. I'll receive it a thank you. I will give you my word of honor ( I have one) that I will not sign any legislation I don't read. A NO vote to anything I am asked to vote on that the lame stream media or elitist politicians support. Propose concealed carry permit good in all states and U.S. Territory's as the Constitution clearly permits. And lastly one check will be enough won't ask for more.

Posted by: OTB at July 24, 2015 02:27 PM (ShdUd)

402 396 Piss and moan.
Whine and groan.
Squeak and bitch.
Scratch my itch.

-
Slap and tickle
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 02:26 PM (XUKZU)

Rub and tug.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 24, 2015 02:28 PM (2Ojst)

403 secret 6-year in the making multi thousand page bills... not free trade.
Posted by: mynewhandle
------

Word.
The day after the vote was taken I read a financial link at Drudge that went to an interview with several Aussie billionaires. They were buying up farm and ranch land like never before. They said it was because "everyone" knew that huge profits in massive food exports to China and Asia were happening in the next year. Guess the People will find out whats in the deal after all the side deals are made.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 24, 2015 02:28 PM (nSj9w)

404 GOPe = Social Democrats

Posted by: Feh at July 24, 2015 02:28 PM (HArYk)

405 True life crime stories: 60 year old female defendant says she doesn't smoke meth because she thinks it is bad for you so she eats it.

Word to you health Nazis out there.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 02:28 PM (XUKZU)

406 For free trade, you just keep tariffs low and export to anyone who wants it and know that the free market will cause other countries to reciprocate.

secret 6-year in the making multi thousand page bills... not free trade.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:21 PM (AkOaV)

Well, there is no such thing right now. Currently we cannot export nat. gas due to some laws created when Eisenhower was in office. Domestic prices are $2.50 or so an MCF. Its about $12-14 in Asia, $8 or so in Europe. The most favored nation status would allow a loophole for domestic gas to be sold as I understand it. That, of course would be huge to Texas, where you might have noticed the senator is from.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:29 PM (t06LC)

407 "Oh well, my stars and garters folks, he had
REASONS! Well, by gum, why didn't you say so in the first place. If
that's all a fella needs, I guess it don't matter what those REASONS are
as long as he had 'em!





That's some serious mental prowess right there.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:13 PM (xSCb6)"

Cruz is in favor of free trade, even if it is Obama who sets it up. He is in favor of straight up-or-down votes on trade bills, so that they can't be amended with pork.

And TPA is a different bill than TPP and all of the actual trade deals.

Millions of apologies for not spoon feeding you everything.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:29 PM (DQU/+)

408 The Saudis are fighting 2 proxy wars against Iran (Syria and Yemen). I'm pretty sure hurting Iran by lowering the cost of oil, sort of like they did in the 1980s against the USSR, is an intentional strategy to mitigate the effects of the 100 billion dollar signing bonus we're giving the mullahs.
Posted by: Naes at July 24, 2015 02:25 PM (Ypc8j)

Yes, but their decision pre-dates the Yemen situation and was before Iran was as heavily involved in Iraq.

Also, just look at the raw numbers -- I don't have them in front of me, but Iran and Iraq, KSA etc are lucky to have oil at relatively shallow depths thats easily pumped out and piped to be shipped to wherever. That makes it cheap to access.

Russia's oil is a little harder (more expensive) to extract and move.

America's fracking and Canada's oil sands, however, are very expensive to pump, filter, process, inject, etc., then move. Especially with all of our environmental compliance laws.

So oil at $50 a barrel does not kill Iran or Russia. It hurts them, but it also hurts Saudi Arabia. But they're still profitable at that number.

American fracking is not. It costs more per barrel to extract it then the open market is willing to pay for it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)

409 WEll now. If I have to vote for jebba du hutt I at least want one of those "Medals of Freedom" like he gave shillary the wino.

Is that too much to ask?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 02:29 PM (YpE/V)

410 Clean and Jerk.

Posted by: Fritz at July 24, 2015 02:30 PM (UzPAd)

411 True life crime stories: 60 year old female defendant says she doesn't smoke meth because she thinks it is bad for you so she eats it.

I agree with her. In my day, crank was either taken in Black Beauty form, or snorted. This smoking shit is whack.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 24, 2015 02:30 PM (evdj2)

412 Lock and load

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 24, 2015 02:30 PM (evdj2)

413 True life crime stories: 60 year old female defendant says she doesn't smoke meth because she thinks it is bad for you so she eats it.



60 yr old meth heads performing PSA's that the fedgov won't.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 02:31 PM (X88sA)

414 Emerson famously wrote that "if you strike at a king, you must kill him."
No, no, dude, you have the quote wrong. It was Omar Little: "Lesson here, 'Bey: You come at the king, you best not miss..."

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 24, 2015 02:31 PM (02oLK)

415 GOPe = Social Democrats

GOPe = Social Democrats - JV Squad

FIFY

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 02:31 PM (O7MnT)

416 "Oh, bullshit. What? You're smarter and more informed about McConnell's character than Ted Cruz is?
Posted by: revolting peasant




Yes.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 02:13 PM (kdS6q)"

Well, then. How nice for us all to have you here.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:31 PM (DQU/+)

417 Corporate war.
Great.
'I love the smell of napalm in the morning.'
I'm in.

Posted by: heartofdarkness at July 24, 2015 02:31 PM (MQ0Jr)

418 334 Wait and see who condemns Cruz for calling Mc Connell out and you will see the enemy.

Tessio.

It's the smart play. Tessio was always the smart one.

Posted by: jwest at July 24, 2015 02:31 PM (P/xrJ)

419 Bait and Switch.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 24, 2015 02:32 PM (nSj9w)

420 Currently we cannot export nat. gas due to some laws created when Eisenhower was in office. Domestic prices are $2.50 or so an MCF. Its about $12-14 in Asia, $8 or so in Europe. The most favored nation status would allow a loophole for domestic gas to be sold

or ... we could repeal the law by legislative action.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 24, 2015 02:32 PM (evdj2)

421 Ahem, Trump is now at 28%. Doubled up the Jebster!


"They're rapists."


Trump
2016

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 02:32 PM (q5APL)

422 That, of course would be huge to Texas, where you might have noticed the senator is from.
Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:29 PM (t06LC)

Well, as you describe it, that would sound more like an issue with a domestic law that we could easily change that is a barrier to free trade, then something that requires a treaty.

And if those numbers are true, then our government has put up an artificial barrier to trade with the rest of the world and allowing certain nations to escape that barrier is more cronyism and is not "free trade" because if Japan can access gas at that price, but Burma can't, we're not talking free trade, we're talking trade with a bunch of government interference.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)

423 >>We let them get away with their tariffs and ridiculous trade deals because we do it too and it gives the politicians and their cronies plenty of opportunities to throw their weight around. Kind of like our tax code.

But that's the point. Everyone does it and everyone will continue to do it. I think you mentioned Boeing before on the ExIm thing. You don't think Airbus, a creation of multiple European governments gets hugely subsidized on multiple levels by those same European governments? Think again. And like it or not many if not most countries around the world have some sort of ExIm to help their businesses compete internationally.

>>How is Walker on international trade and business? Will he tend to agree or disagree with Trump?

I really don't know to much about his specifics yet but he does seem to be a champion of smaller government and free enterprise. Its actually a topic I'd like to hear him speak more on.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 02:32 PM (OGm46)

424 Well horde, we may not agree on everything but I am sure we all agree that the shooting was an Arch-Zionist Gun Control Plot!!!!


http://tinyurl.com/ojmaos2

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 02:32 PM (fWAjv)

425 @408

At current prices most fracking plays are not economical. The only one that I know of that might would be the Eagle Ford. It's my understanding most of the bigs are drilling the wells this year to meet lease obligations, but putting off rework and completion until prices improve as the most productive time for a well is in the first few months before production falls.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:33 PM (t06LC)

426 So oil at $50 a barrel does not kill Iran or Russia. It hurts them, but it also hurts Saudi Arabia. But they're still profitable at that number.

American fracking is not. It costs more per barrel to extract it then the open market is willing to pay for it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)


You may have noticed that the Magic Kingdom is none too pleased with Hussein Obama right now, because of his suckholing to Iran. So if pushing down the world oil price hurts the USA as well as I ran and Russia, well, Bonus!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 24, 2015 02:34 PM (gbxIu)

427 If I had combat boots & a helmet, I'd be wearing them right now

Cruz just bumped up in my book - I wonder if William Wallace is available as either his running mate or secretary of defense....

Posted by: Ruth at July 24, 2015 02:34 PM (oo88B)

428 ***"Millions of apologies for not spoon feeding you everything.


Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:29 PM (DQU/+)"***


Riiiight, because this is the first fvcking time this has even been covered.


Oh, you must be new here.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:34 PM (xSCb6)

429 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 02:32 PM (fWAjv)

O_o

That's a metric f*ck ton of crazy right there.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 02:35 PM (kff5f)

430 So in Charlotte, the local paper is touting the fact that 10 CEO's, of the largest companies in town, now have a group that will "plan" things for the community.



What could go wrong?

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 24, 2015 02:35 PM (0FSuD)

431 My question is: who in the fuck is voting for the Jebster?


Like the dems, the GOP has some awfully LIVs in their ranks.


Explains LaHood and a lot. Sheeple.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 02:35 PM (q5APL)

432 Its actually a topic I'd like to hear him speak more on.

Yeah I would too.

Google not coming up with much. Thanks anyway!

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:35 PM (cNtqS)

433 Shit. That comment by Heyho.

W

T

F

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 02:35 PM (fWAjv)

434 @422

Yes, that's exactly what it is. Political reality is though it will never get repealed. It was passed for NatSec reasons and now it is kept as a subsidy to keep energy prices artificially low. It really benefits unions and northeast manufacturing (as well as residents). So, on behalf of the energy industry, fellow americans, you're welcome for the direct subsidy from my pocket.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:36 PM (t06LC)

435 Cruz is in favor of free trade, even if it is Obama who sets it up. He is in favor of straight up-or-down votes on trade bills, so that they can't be amended with pork.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:29 PM (DQU/+)

If he was in favor of free trade, he would not have voted for a secret multi thousand page bill offering "preferred" status to certain countries over others.

That's called cronyism. I'm sure American and Asian businesses and governments lobbied hard to get their own special piece of the pie.

That's not what free trade looks like.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)

436 American fracking is not. It costs more per barrel to extract it then the open market is willing to pay for it.


Cost of producing fracking is around $62 a barrel. Oil sands around $74.

If/when oil goes back up to $75 - $80, out of the ground it comes.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 02:36 PM (X88sA)

437 "It screws American fracking much more than it screws the Iranians or the Russians.



Don't get me wrong, it hurts every oil producing nation (including
KSA and their Gulf allies) but I doubt this is specifically aimed at
Iran or Russia.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:17 PM (AkOaV)"


The newspapers and the fracing companies lie about the cost of frac'ed oil.

It screws deepwater GoM. Most of what's still available is distant, deep, and difficult. Land based stuff is cheap and getting cheaper.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:36 PM (DQU/+)

438 That's a metric f*ck ton of crazy right there.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 02:35 PM (kff5f)

Read Heyho's comment. Duuuuuuuuuude.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 02:36 PM (fWAjv)

439
This is worth saying AGAIN--if you want to change the course of events, you HAVE to start at the basic, local level.

Exactly as the progressives did. School boards, local elections right up through the State.

Get involved. Any effort you make, no matter how insignificant it may seem, counts. Numbers add up.

Find a candidate whose positions most closely mesh with yours, and work with/for him/her. Any donation MUST go to the candidate, NOT the party.

I don't want to do a tl/dr here with this post so I would just suggest you elaborate on the suggestions and implement however many possible.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 24, 2015 02:36 PM (jeCnD)

440 or ... we could repeal the law by legislative action.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 24, 2015 02:32 PM (evdj2)


It's a tax. No repeal.

Posted by: Obligatory Dred Justice Roberts at July 24, 2015 02:37 PM (TOk1P)

441 all in for cruz

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 24, 2015 02:38 PM (0O7c5)

442
"Oh, bullshit. What? You're smarter and more informed about McConnell's character than Ted Cruz is?
Posted by: revolting peasant

Yes.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

Well, then. How nice for us all to have you here.
Posted by: revolting peasant




Don't be too impressed. Unlike Cruz, both my dog and my goldfish were also too smart to be fooled by McConnell.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 02:38 PM (kdS6q)

443 American fracking is not. It costs more per barrel to extract it then the open market is willing to pay for it.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Well now you know why IslamObama went to talk with the new king of S.A. He needed their help to fuck America. No come back for the USA through our natural resources. Hope and Change. Hope I'm not shot for treason and change USA to a third wold nation.

Posted by: OTB at July 24, 2015 02:38 PM (ShdUd)

444 Another thought re Walker:


He was one of my top 3 forever. I have really questioned him after Dayspring. And then the Rubio would be great as VP thing sealed the deal.


But pulling back, we have heard all of these cuckservatives complain and detail these John Doe witch hunts in Wisconsin.


Grassroots conservatives, all who supported Walker, were having their doors kicked in by jackbooted thugs.



My question is, WHERE IN THE FUCK WAS WALKER?? He is the Governor. He could have pardoned every one of these "targets" and shut that shit down immediately.


What the fuck was Walker doing whilst his supporters were getting their doors kicked in?


I haven't thought about this before, so I thought I'd throw it out to the horde.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 02:38 PM (q5APL)

445 Meh, who gives a crap anymore? Congress is in it for themselves. We are kidding ourselves if we think that the political class gives a picofcuk about its constituents.

I wish I still drank so I could tie on an epic bender. I'm spent on politics. How's about a spicy food post so I can imagine a delicious diverticulitis attack?

Posted by: hadoop at July 24, 2015 02:39 PM (2X7pN)

446

Cost of producing fracking is around $62 a barrel. Oil sands around $74.

If/when oil goes back up to $75 - $80, out of the ground it comes.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 02:36 PM (X88sA)

We had it pegged around $65-$70 break even, I have recently talked to a few engineers at one of the majors who put their break even in the low $40 range, which I though was insanely low. Who knows.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:39 PM (t06LC)

447 It's a tax. No repeal.
Posted by: Obligatory Dred Justice Roberts


Even easier. We will no longer collect it.
Posted by: Pen & Phone

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 02:40 PM (X88sA)

448 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 24, 2015 02:36 PM (fWAjv)

Ah. We found AtC's eye-ball heroin junky.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 02:40 PM (kff5f)

449 My question is: who in the fuck is voting for the Jebster?

Nobody, yet. Except Floridians, and who knows who they intended to vote for, since apparently a ballot is confusing to them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:40 PM (39g3+)

450 land based stuff is easier to start up again when its worthwhile. Turn the spigot

Oil in the gulf? Sometimes those platforms go away and never come back

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 02:40 PM (zOTsN)

451 The newspapers and the fracing companies lie about the cost of frac'ed oil.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:36 PM (DQU/+)

Oh okay, so you can access that fracking companies and the media lie fairly easily and in a way that I have a feeling you have no evidence to support (for this particular claim)

YET

You're getting on other commenters for saying "Cruz is an idiot if he didnt realize mitch mcconnell, a politician, lies"?

Hmmm.

Just an observation. Anyways, carry on.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:40 PM (AkOaV)

452 Oh no, local drifter bum that killed people in theater in AL is a right winger who liked Hitler and hated liberals.



How do we know this? Southern Property Law Center, the one that labels everyone one a hate group, says so. Why, emails and comments they say he made to hate groups web sites. Well, shit then, all the horde are in trouble.



Well, shit Dees have never been wrong before. Must be a fact.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 24, 2015 02:40 PM (0FSuD)

453 My question is, WHERE IN THE FUCK WAS WALKER?? He is the Governor. He could have pardoned every one of these "targets" and shut that shit down immediately.

Except, I'm pretty sure, not the way the John Doe thing works in WI. The *purpose* of the John Doe, as imagined originally, was to root out political corruption. Pretty sure that the authors of the law would have said, "hey, this thing is useless if a governor can just order it stopped".

Posted by: GMan at July 24, 2015 02:41 PM (sxq57)

454 Hilarious to read you dumbshits complaining about the insincerity of Cruz while polishing Trump's knob in this and every other thread. Every election season we get a migration of Hot Airtards that lowers the collective IQ around here by 40 or 50 points.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 24, 2015 02:41 PM (1RNgT)

455 GMan:


I'm fairly certain that the pardon power of every Governor in every state is absolute. Except for maybe a pardon of himself.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 02:42 PM (q5APL)

456 and now its time for the True Con Wars

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 02:42 PM (zOTsN)

457 This thread needs this baby penguin.
http://is.gd/BWvZCG

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 24, 2015 02:42 PM (/kI1Q)

458 My question is, WHERE IN THE FUCK WAS WALKER?? He is the Governor. He could have pardoned every one of these "targets" and shut that shit down immediately.

Its possible he trusted the system and the law enforcement officials were doing the right thing, not knowing what they were doing behind his back.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:43 PM (39g3+)

459 >>My question is: who in the fuck is voting for the Jebster?

Begonia.

The US Chamber of Cronies.

Republican LIV's.

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 02:43 PM (O7MnT)

460 "Ahem, Trump is now at 28%. Doubled up the Jebster!"

Obviously, he needs to be banned from the debates.

Obviously.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 24, 2015 02:43 PM (Maary)

461 prescient, remember though, that no-one was actually *charged* with anything for him to pardon/commute.

Posted by: GMan at July 24, 2015 02:43 PM (sxq57)

462 Pretty sure that the authors of the law would have said, "hey, this thing is useless if a governor can just order it stopped".

Yeah, like you're gonna change minds with facts. o.O

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 24, 2015 02:44 PM (/kI1Q)

463 454 At least lowered is higher than yours troll. Does yours even reach 40 or 50 points if you believe that bovine excrement you are trying to peddle.

Posted by: OTB at July 24, 2015 02:44 PM (ShdUd)

464 "We had it pegged around $65-$70 break even, I
have recently talked to a few engineers at one of the majors who put
their break even in the low $40 range, which I though was insanely low.
Who knows.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:39 PM (t06LC)"

We're making money at $40.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:44 PM (DQU/+)

465 Hilarious to read you dumbshits complaining about the insincerity of Cruz while polishing Trump's knob in this and every other thread.

I agree, anyone who knocks Cruz for being untrustworthy and having integrity, then trusts Trump, well they're confused at least.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:44 PM (39g3+)

466 Nick Nolte is fucking bragging about it.

Posted by: Karnac the Magnificent at July 24, 2015 02:44 PM (VROg+)

467 I'm fairly certain that the pardon power of every Governor in every state is absolute.

You have to be convicted before you can be pardoned.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 24, 2015 02:45 PM (/kI1Q)

468 We're making money at $40.
Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:44 PM (DQU/+)

Okay, prove it.

With the little I know about the oil industry, I think that number sounds very low.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:45 PM (AkOaV)

469 Guys, can i play too?


Profits and Earnings ratio!

Posted by: Barry Sotero at July 24, 2015 02:45 PM (JO9+V)

470 I'm fairly certain that the pardon power of every Governor in every state is absolute. Except for maybe a pardon of himself.

I'm fairly certain you're wrong.

In TX, for instance, someone must first be recommended for Clemency by the Board of Pardons and Paroles. If it doesn't go through that body, then no pardon for you, no matter how much the Governor wishes to do so.

Link: just 'cause: http://bit.ly/1OCPGWG

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 02:45 PM (kff5f)

471 I accept they all lie, they are all self interested, and they are all insincere

the only differences are a matter of degree and on what issues

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 02:46 PM (zOTsN)

472 458
My question is, WHERE IN THE FUCK WAS WALKER?? He is the Governor. He
could have pardoned every one of these "targets" and shut that shit
down immediately.

Its possible he trusted the system and the law enforcement officials
were doing the right thing, not knowing what they were doing behind his
back.


There's a good chance that if he pardoned them, this matter never would have found its way to the Wisconsin Supreme Court and the John Doe investigations would continue. Courts only deal in real disputes and controversies. If someone was convicted and then immediately pardoned, a court might weasel its way out of hearing the case. Now the issue is resolved decisively.

Posted by: Naes at July 24, 2015 02:46 PM (Ypc8j)

473 Trump makes the right heads go all splodey and stuff. Trump will ramp up the rhetoric as time goes by and make more heads go splodey.

Lets see as the season goes by who is destroying "your" Country the most. That will be the person to vote for.

So far, Trumpmeister, is in the lead.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 02:46 PM (YpE/V)

474 Hilarious to read you dumbshits complaining about
the insincerity of Cruz while polishing Trump's knob in this and every
other thread. Every election season we get a migration of Hot Airtards
that lowers the collective IQ around here by 40 or 50 points.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 24, 2015 02:41 PM (1RNgT)


Common theme: Lack of faith in the Republican Party.


If you want to frag everyone around here for that, you're welcome to try. Or did that not occur to you?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 02:46 PM (TOk1P)

475 You have to be convicted before you can be pardoned.


Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 24, 2015 02:45 PM (/kI1Q)

Nixon was pardoned without conviction.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 02:47 PM (kQBSd)

476 and 1st! dances around on table top.

Posted by: willow


Well, a little late to this party, but...


*waves dollar bills*

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 24, 2015 02:47 PM (/Ho8c)

477 You have to be convicted before you can be pardoned.

I don't think so. But, you do have to have already committed the act. Pardons of future actions are not allowed.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 24, 2015 02:47 PM (evdj2)

478 the big oil problem is China grinding to a halt

hey

remember when the smart guys told us we would never ever see $50 per barrel oil ever again?

HA

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 02:48 PM (zOTsN)

479 "I have a feeling you have no evidence to support (for this particular claim)




Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:40 PM (AkOaV)"

I *think* that people who shout loudly about things for which they have limited if any evidence should be publicly countered.

Doing so makes me *feel* all yummy inside.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:49 PM (DQU/+)

480 There were never any convictions to pardon, much less trials. The process was the punishment. It also happened at a layer below the State government - so no direct reports were involved - just local thugs sitting in elected offices at the county level.

Posted by: Jean at July 24, 2015 02:49 PM (ztOda)

481 Looks like Gristle Encased Head is amping up the butthurt.


There's a real shocker.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:49 PM (xSCb6)

482 then trusts Trump,

Wait. Someone trusts Trump? I though the whole point was that we *knew* he was nothing but a narcissistic egotist and was going to do only what was good for him, personally.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 02:49 PM (kff5f)

483 remember when the smart guys told us we would never ever see $50 per barrel oil ever again?

HA
Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 02:48 PM (zOTsN)

I recall that well.

"The days of cheap oil are behind us -- $100 is the new norm."

Which may very well be true at some point, but more likely due to a slide in the value of the dollar, and not any kind of real increase in the cost of oil.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)

484 Free For All!!!!


https://youtu.be/-c2OM7HEfrs

Posted by: Uncle Ted at July 24, 2015 02:50 PM (JO9+V)

485 This is just Cruz trying regain some relevance in the presidential race. The "anti-establishment" fire-breather role he previously was playing has been usurped by Trump. Rand Paul is in the same boat. Perry, too. Hence Perry's very aggressive and personal shots at Trump. Cruz has been hoping Trump would fade/self-destruct and that he would be the natural inheritor of those people, but it isn't happening fast enough. So, he goes back to his standard playbook of making an inflammatory speech on the Senate floor. Which doesn't really do anything of consequence except get "anti-establishment" people talking about Ted Cruz again.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 24, 2015 02:50 PM (ljZD2)

486 I accept they all lie, they are all self interested, and they are all insincere

Yes.

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 02:50 PM (O7MnT)

487 If you want to frag everyone around here for that, you're welcome to try. Or did that not occur to you?

Lacking faith in the Republican party doesn't require you to support Trump. Only a retard would make that assumption. No offense to retards.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 24, 2015 02:50 PM (1RNgT)

488
I don't think so. But, you do have to have already committed the act. Pardons of future actions are not allowed.

-
Ford pardoned Nixon before charges were filed.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 02:51 PM (XUKZU)

489 Ahem, Trump is now at 28%. Doubled up the Jebster!

Does this poll sample Republican Voters at about 20% of the total like the last one?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:51 PM (39g3+)

490 I *think* that people who shout loudly about things for which they have limited if any evidence should be publicly countered.

Doing so makes me *feel* all yummy inside.
Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:49 PM (DQU/+)

I don't know what you're trying to say, peasant. But you say oil companies and the media lie about the cost per barrel to extract oil via fracking in the US. You say they make money at $40 a barrel, they say $60 something.

So okay, if that's your claim, then prove it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:51 PM (AkOaV)

491 474
Hilarious to read you dumbshits complaining about

the insincerity of Cruz while polishing Trump's knob


Yeah . Encouraging Trump to burn the GOP down to the dirt is "polishing his knob".

Somebody help grandpa back into his chair!

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:51 PM (cNtqS)

492 ***"Doing so makes me *feel* all yummy inside.


Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:49 PM (DQU/+)"***


Yeah, when I was a kid I used to think that playing pretend was fun too.


You doing great here Champ. Keep it up.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:52 PM (xSCb6)

493 Cruz met with Trump and refused to critisize him


maybe they are working together a bit

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 02:52 PM (zOTsN)

494 . Which doesn't really do anything of consequence except get "anti-establishment" people talking about Ted Cruz again.

Personally, I would prefer he beat Mitch with a stick to bump up C-SPANs ratings. But, I'll take what I can get.

Posted by: Jean at July 24, 2015 02:52 PM (ztOda)

495 I don't think so. But, you do have to have already committed the act. Pardons of future actions are not allowed.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 24, 2015 02:47 PM


IIRC, the worst thing that happened to Nixon (aside from impeachment, which was very much on the table) was being named an "unindicted co-conspirator." In other words, the Grand Jury thought he was being a Bad Boy, but didn't do anything about it.

Ford pardoned him to stave off future indictment/prosecution.

Neither Choom Boy, Shrillery, or any of the traitorous fuckweasels in Congress have a thing to worry about.

Boyoboy, have times changed.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 24, 2015 02:53 PM (rCmeG)

496 "The days of cheap oil are behind us -- $100 is the new norm."

Peak oil! PEEEAKK OILLL!!!!

Posted by: The guy who yells peak oil at July 24, 2015 02:53 PM (39g3+)

497 I read an article somewhere about the Fracking Companies saying they could go all the way down to $27.00 a barrel and still turn a profit. It was right after the report of the Saudis ramping up production.


Business Insider or maybe Fox Business can't remember where.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 02:53 PM (YpE/V)

498 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 24, 2015 02:50 PM (ljZD2)

Perry, Paul, and Cruz are all going after different subsets of voters as their primary base and have much different messages.

So I'm not sure why you're lumping that particular group together.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:53 PM (AkOaV)

499 When it comes time to hang the United States of America and western civilization, the U.S Chamber of Commerce will sell us the rope.

Posted by: Juan, Ahmed, Hu, Singh, Nikita McConnellchev at July 24, 2015 02:54 PM (uSM1W)

500 My question is: who in the fuck is voting for the Jebster?

-
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Commerce

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 02:54 PM (XUKZU)

501 Lacking faith in the Republican party doesn't
require you to support Trump. Only a retard would make that assumption.
No offense to retards.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 24, 2015 02:50 PM (1RNgT)


And your evidence that people are behaving as if they are REQUIRED to support Trump is... what, exactly? He's saying stuff people like hearing. In the context of an announced Presidential run.


His poll numbers, consequently, are high. You've been around long enough to notice that's not the same thing as counting votes.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 02:54 PM (TOk1P)

502 ----442, Don't be too impressed. Unlike Cruz, both my dog and my goldfish were also too smart to be fooled by McConnell.Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 02:38 PM (kdS6q)----

It's the legal. He's in a closed door meeting with peers and the boss. He has no legal foundation to prove the boss a liar. He may believe, or think or in his gut but no basis. The boss looks him in the eyes and says for truth.

The boss lied.

Now, he has legal, witnessed foundation and he's making the case.
He's a good lawyer, wins those cases most every time. At SCOTUS too.



Posted by: Ralph at July 24, 2015 02:54 PM (AEEhl)

503
Lacking faith in the Republican party doesn't require you to support Trump

Yeah because everyone else in the race is in fact an active Republican office holder! It's the "support Republicans while not supporting them ploy."

Very clever.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:54 PM (cNtqS)

504 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 24, 2015 02:50 PM (ljZD2)


Whoops, look who didn't read, well, anything he's responding to.


Again.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:54 PM (xSCb6)

505 In TX, for instance, someone must first be recommended for Clemency by the Board of Pardons and Paroles. If it doesn't go through that body, then no pardon for you, no matter how much the Governor wishes to do so.

Yeah, that's an important thing to remember; it varies from state to state based on laws in that state. I think prescient brings up a good question that someone on our side should bring up, though. He could have acted, and probably should have known what was going on.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM (39g3+)

506 http://bearingarms.com/room-discussion-gun-owners-gun-grabbers/

Shaved head? Weird beard? Tattoos? Troll? 4 Checks in a row. Crapweasal.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM (ucB75)

507 452: SPLC is a hate group and should be investigated and convicted as one.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM (ucDmr)

508 454 At least lowered is higher than yours troll. Does yours even reach 40 or 50 points if you believe that bovine excrement you are trying to peddle.
Posted by: OTB


The ironic thing here is that GEH has been at the AoSHQ for a long, long time.

You on the other hand - who the fuck are you?

You too, revolting peasant. Who the fuck and where the fuck are you coming from?

What's with the flood of super-affected twats here to tell us their every fucking opinion?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM (VY8H5)

509 if you are "making" money at 40$ per barrel you wont be for long

oil company stocks are crashing

absolutely crashing


and while I like paying less at the pump

good luck keeping employment going while the energy sector crashes

and it is

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM (zOTsN)

510 ***"Wait. Someone trusts Trump? I though the whole point was that we *knew* he was nothing but a narcissistic egotist and was going to do only what was good for him, personally."***


Forget it man. They can't hear you over the whooshing sound the Point makes as it sails over their little heads.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM (xSCb6)

511 Hey "entertainment wing" nuts,let the adults do their jobs!

Posted by: steevy at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM (sPO3u)

512 Hilarious to read you dumbshits complaining about

the insincerity of Cruz while polishing

-
Like a dog that's been besat too much we spend half our lives just-a covering up

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 02:56 PM (XUKZU)

513 I for one welcome our tutle-necked overlords and offer them my utmost support and adulation.


Posted by: Marry J. Cloggenstein III at July 24, 2015 02:56 PM (NpXoL)

514 The go-along, get-along, and very corrupt Republican Party is about to have its own Whig Moment. The upside? Those leaving the GOP will coalesce around a viable third party that is willing to fight the Democrats over the great issues of our day--which in our time happens to be the tranformation of the Republic into an authoritarian socialist superstate.

The downside? It took the then-newly formed Republican Party took several years to achieve executive power...immediately followed by a cataclysmic Civil War, so there's that.

Posted by: Raoul, Master Poolboy at July 24, 2015 02:56 PM (XHR9b)

515 Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 02:54 PM (cNtqS)

Ah... the old "pretend I'm opposing you while actually supporting you" trick!

Posted by: Maxwell Smart at July 24, 2015 02:57 PM (kff5f)

516 463
454 At least lowered is higher than yours troll. Does yours even reach
40 or 50 points if you believe that bovine excrement you are trying to
peddle.

Posted by: OTB at July 24, 2015 02:44 PM (ShdUd)

Nice slap down! Well done OTB.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 24, 2015 02:57 PM (0FSuD)

517 >>He's a good lawyer, wins those cases most every time. At SCOTUS too.

He's also a good politician. Giving the old "I'm shocked that there is gambling going on" routine gets a lot more attention than screaming McConnell is a liar 7 x 24.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 02:57 PM (OGm46)

518
BTW - HotAir finally has something up on this. From what I can gather, Allah is cautioning Cruz to behave because he might want to be appointed judge by President Jeb! one day -- or something.

Odd take, but there it is.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 02:57 PM (kdS6q)

519 @498 Because they all are marginal candidates who need a surge of "anti-establishment" voters, of whatever stripe, to build critical mass. Trump sucks the life out of each of their campaigns. Perry, particularly, is going to get flushed by Trump before the end of the summer. Cruz, too, possibly. Then Trump will get flushed by either Bush or Walker, who are the only two candidates that are actually running for president. Everybody else, including Trump, are running for other things whilst pretending to run for president.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 24, 2015 02:57 PM (ljZD2)

520 I'm looking at a possible indictment, and Hillary won't even return my calls. I'm being hung out to dry here.

Posted by: Hillary's e-mail account at July 24, 2015 02:58 PM (2ohZi)

521 Can't we all just get along and agree that Bitch McConnell needs a damn good whacking?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 02:58 PM (XUKZU)

522 "Okay, prove it.



With the little I know about the oil industry, I think that number sounds very low.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:45 PM (AkOaV)"

You think it sounds low because ... perhaps you should sit down in case this is too much of a shock ... higher costs are what are generally reported.

Privately held companies don't have to report how they make their money. Good business practice means that they generally don't.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:58 PM (DQU/+)

523 ----and while I like paying less at the pump


good luck keeping employment going while the energy sector crashes


and it isPosted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM (zOTsN)----

Invest in energy now. When the war starts, soon, business will be booming.


Posted by: Ralph at July 24, 2015 02:58 PM (AEEhl)

524 My question is: who in the fuck is voting for the Jebster? - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Commerce
Posted by: The Great White Snark

I laughed at this one.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 24, 2015 02:58 PM (Spluw)

525 >>Yeah because everyone else in the race is in fact an active Republican office holder!

Ahem.

Posted by: Carly Fiorina (is an anagram for California) at July 24, 2015 02:58 PM (O7MnT)

526 I *think* that people who shout loudly about things for which they have limited if any evidence should be publicly countered.

Doing so makes me *feel* all yummy inside.
Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 02:49 PM (DQU/+)

I don't know what you're trying to say, peasant. But you say oil companies and the media lie about the cost per barrel to extract oil via fracking in the US. You say they make money at $40 a barrel, they say $60 something.

So okay, if that's your claim, then prove it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:51 PM (AkOaV)

I'm not saying its impossible. I think well spacing is actually closer than we earlier imagined and fracing tech has gotten much better in such a short amount of time.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:59 PM (t06LC)

527 When the war starts, soon, business will be booming.

ISWYDT

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 02:59 PM (kff5f)

528 507
452: SPLC is a hate group and should be investigated and convicted as one.

Given that being in a "hate group" is protected by the first amendment last time I checked...

Posted by: Naes at July 24, 2015 02:59 PM (Ypc8j)

529 I'm looking at a possible indictment, and Hillary won't even return my calls. I'm being hung out to dry here.

Posted by: Hillary's e-mail account at July 24, 2015 02:58 PM (2ohZi)

Send her a meeting reminder.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 02:59 PM (kQBSd)

530 BTW - HotAir finally has something up on this. From what I can gather, Allah is cautioning Cruz to behave because he might want to be appointed judge by President Jeb! one day -- or something.



Jeb, get your shine box.
-VP Cruz

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 03:00 PM (X88sA)

531 Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM

I like turkey sandwiches. But only with swiss cheese. I don't like American cheese.

But I do like Mayonnaise. But only light mayo. And only with yellow mustard.

Would you like to hear more of my opinions?

Posted by: Super-Affected Twat at July 24, 2015 03:00 PM (AkOaV)

532 Wait. Someone trusts Trump? I though the whole point was that we *knew* he was nothing but a narcissistic egotist and was going to do only what was good for him, personally

You don't but clearly some do here.

He's also a good politician. Giving the old "I'm shocked that there is gambling going on" routine gets a lot more attention than screaming McConnell is a liar 7 x 24.

Exactly, politics is theater. Every tack you take has drawbacks, but this one has the most benefit for the least problem.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:00 PM (39g3+)

533 Mr. Cruz is an extremist and an embarrassment to my Republican party.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at July 24, 2015 03:00 PM (Ui7Rt)

534 Send her a meeting reminder happy hour invitation.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 02:59 PM (kQBSd)


FIFY.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:00 PM (kff5f)

535 and now its time for the True Con Wars

-
And whose side will Bobba Fett be on?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 03:00 PM (XUKZU)

536 yes but cost isnt just determined by how expensuve it is to produce but by demand

much of world demand is driven by China

which is tanking

and that is what driving oil stocks down

and even if you are privately held, it wont help you if demand is way way down and surpluses are way way up

and they are

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:00 PM (zOTsN)

537 @504 I wasn't "responding" to anything other than Ace's original post. Oh, was I supposed to search out all your special little bon mots in the previous 497 comments and specifically address each one? So sorry to disappoint.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 24, 2015 03:00 PM (ljZD2)

538 good luck keeping employment going while the energy sector crashes



and it is

Posted by: ThunderB


Yep. Prolly not going to be fun.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 24, 2015 03:01 PM (/Ho8c)

539 RE: Jeb voters?

See comment 114.


They are out there.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 03:01 PM (cNtqS)

540 You talking like this gives me a boner.

Posted by: bour3 at July 24, 2015 03:01 PM (5x3+2)

541 Late to the game. A few points:
1) Dayum.
2) Cruz must have concluded that he wasn't going to win as things were going, and he had to make a change or his campaign was pointless.
3) Trump has gotten traction speaking like this, so why not him?
4) Even if he loses this cycle, he's positioning himself to be a Churchill.
5) Good on ya, Ted. Cynical or not, we need lots more of this.

Posted by: pep at July 24, 2015 03:02 PM (LAe3v)

542 Oh the sweet, sweet smell of people who are finally coming to comprehend what told them long ago, before they were ready to listen.

I wish I could bottle it and sell this alluring fragrance Au de Told You So

You may now return your attention to the next shiny object.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 24, 2015 03:02 PM (XhSez)

543 I'm not saying its impossible. I think well spacing is actually closer than we earlier imagined and fracing tech has gotten much better in such a short amount of time.
Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 02:59 PM (t06LC)

I've read enough on this subject to have seen numbers in the $60s and $70s a barrel for US fracking and Canadian oil sands.

I could buy that it's lower per barrel, absolutely.

But if he's going to CLAIM that, I need some verification beyond "because I say so" from a random internet commenter.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 03:02 PM (AkOaV)

544 You don't but clearly some do here.

From what I've seen the last couple days, there's only one commenter who even comes *close* to trusting Trump, and I don't think they even do.

The vast majority of us who are even quasi-supporting Trumps campaign are either in camp Let it Burn or (like your truly) camp Burn it Down.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:02 PM (kff5f)

545 "You too, revolting peasant. Who the fuck and where the fuck are you coming from?



What's with the flood of super-affected twats here to tell us their every fucking opinion?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 02:55 PM (VY8H5)"

Wow. You have a really healthy sense of entitlement, and you really don't like being argued with.

Luckily, you don't have any opinions that you spend hours every day blurting out on comment boards. Makes you much better than me.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 03:02 PM (DQU/+)

546 Can't we all just get along and agree that Bitch McConnell needs a damn good whacking?

Yeah. This.

Its sad that even a statement everyone here agrees with is met by "well screw you and the horse you rode in on!" shouts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:02 PM (39g3+)

547 Oh, and the statist dick-suck is back.

Really squares the shit-sandwich here.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 03:02 PM (VY8H5)

548 OK, what moron was trying to fly to London last night? Who's missing?



http://tinyurl.com/q7bugcr

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 24, 2015 03:03 PM (0FSuD)

549 I thought fracking was more expensive because of the cost of the initial outlay

then the costs go down

but NONE of that solves the surplus/demand problem

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:03 PM (zOTsN)

550 Oh the sweet, sweet smell of people who are finally coming to comprehend what told them long ago, before they were ready to listen.

You told us before not to support Mitch McConnell because he's a lying shitweasel?

Funny, I don't remember that.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:03 PM (kff5f)

551 Hows about us Tru Con + So Cons that haven't picked a side yet? Who are we supposed to vote for so "your" Country is not destroyed?

Hmmmm??? Hmmmmm??

Come on people! I demand consensus now!!11!!!!

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 03:04 PM (YpE/V)

552 statist dick-suck is back

He is here to put down the rebel scum in the name of Empire.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 03:04 PM (cNtqS)

553 OK, what moron was trying to fly to London last night? Who's missing?

Anybody seen AtC the last day or so?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:04 PM (kff5f)

554 Posted by: Hillary's e-mail account

-
From Twitchy, Hillary blames her email problems on global warming.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 03:04 PM (XUKZU)

555 Luckily, you don't have any opinions that you spend hours every day blurting out on comment boards. Makes you much better than me.
Posted by: revolting peasant


Again, who the fuck are you?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 03:05 PM (VY8H5)

556 He's saying stuff people like hearing. In the context of an announced Presidential run.

He sure is. He's done a good job of reeling in hordes of gullible, slackjawed, dumbshit, LIVs by saying some words. I don't think these idiots feel like they are required to support Trump. I think they do it because they are simple minded.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 24, 2015 03:05 PM (1RNgT)

557 HotAir finally has something up on this. From
what I can gather, Allah is cautioning Cruz to behave because he might
want to be appointed judge by President Jeb! one day -- or something. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 02:57 PM


Just went over and looked. There is some Serious Weirdness going on the Corpulent Captain's playpen. Are they getting ready to endorse Huckabee or something?

Whatever respect I had for Tepid Air went down the ol' porcelain exit a long time ago, but they're all acting like they got some major bad weed on their last trip to Colorado....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (rCmeG)

558 This is kind of cool. Baby killers getting ready to leave the nest for the first time.

http://www.conanicutraptors.com/creek-nest-webcam/

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (OGm46)

559 @549

Correct. Stockpiles and a strong dollar are hurting prices.

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (t06LC)

560 From what I've seen the last couple days, there's only one commenter who even comes *close* to trusting Trump, and I don't think they even do.

You haven't been reading prescient's posts, have you?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (39g3+)

561 OK, what moron was trying to fly to London last night? Who's missing?

http://tinyurl.com/q7bugcr


Posted by: Nip Sip at July 24, 2015 03:03 PM (0FSuD)

Mmmm, female Lawyer.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (kQBSd)

562 Wow. I think I'll check in on the comments later in the evening. Bad vibe here.

Posted by: Naes at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (Ypc8j)

563 551
Hows about us Tru Con + So Cons that haven't picked a side yet? Who are
we supposed to vote for so "your" Country is not destroyed?

Hmmmm??? Hmmmmm??

Come on people! I demand consensus now!!11!!!!



"And a lying, dishonest, self serving, prick shall lead them."

The Book of Conservative Sorrows.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (cNtqS)

564 You told us before not to support Mitch McConnell because he's a lying shitweasel?



Funny, I don't remember that.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:03 PM (kff5f)


Yeah, I think that has to be a sock. Our Hollowhead has always been firmly puckered onto the backside of Gope.


Maybe he forgets though. Maybe he's having a Mumr moment.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (TOk1P)

565 >>>I wasn't "responding" to anything other than Ace's original post. Oh, was I supposed to search out all your special little bon mots in the previous 497 comments and specifically address each one? So sorry to disappoint.>>Which doesn't really do anything of consequence except get "anti-establishment" people talking about Ted Cruz again.<<<


Which is demonstrably false given the nature of most of the comments, and the original post.


That's ok though, it's impossible to disappoint when you have no expectations to meet.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (xSCb6)

566 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:06 PM (39g3+)

That's the one. I think s/he is just on team Burn it Down, though.

I could be wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:07 PM (kff5f)

567 He sure is. He's done a good job of reeling in hordes of gullible, slackjawed, dumbshit, LIVs by saying some words.


You just described Ted Cruz.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 03:07 PM (cNtqS)

568 While this makes me feel good, I still think that Lucy is out there somewhere, holding the football and saying all the right things...

Posted by: MacGruber at July 24, 2015 03:07 PM (FEAjO)

569 wasnt me

not in London



hey

on the bright side


all this oil market crashing isnt going to be good news for Iran

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:07 PM (zOTsN)

570 Has anyone looked at the numbers of that explosive report by J. Christian Adams.



Illegals make up 1% of Texas population, per estimates.


They commit 35%!!!!!! of the fucking murders.


WTF??!!!

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 03:08 PM (q5APL)

571 I'm thinking about cutting myself again.

*runs outside*

Posted by: Little Moron at July 24, 2015 03:09 PM (Ui7Rt)

572 "I don't know what you're trying to say, peasant. But you say oil
companies and the media lie about the cost per barrel to extract oil via
fracking in the US. You say they make money at $40 a barrel, they say
$60 something.



So okay, if that's your claim, then prove it.



Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 02:51 PM (AkOaV)
"



No. I'm not going to publish any company data, so not only am I thoroughly comfortable with you not believing me, I fully understand that it really would make no sense for you to do so.

Except about moon cheese. I will brook no backtalk about the moon.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 03:09 PM (DQU/+)

573 They commit 35%!!!!!! of the fucking murders.

They're the dolphins of Texas.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:09 PM (kff5f)

574 Fuck this.
Fuck that.
Fuck all these.
Fuck this thing in particular.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 24, 2015 03:09 PM (2Ojst)

575 pppssstttttt

they ALL think we are stupid

even Walker

even Cruz

especially Trump

all of em

they have big egos. Is this supposed to be a shock? Are we all virgins here?

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:10 PM (zOTsN)

576 He sure is. He's done a good job of reeling in
hordes of gullible, slackjawed, dumbshit, LIVs by saying some words. I
don't think these idiots feel like they are required to support Trump. I
think they do it because they are simple minded.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 24, 2015 03:05 PM (1RNgT)


Of course. That pretty much describes every political campaign. Even the "good" ones.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 03:10 PM (TOk1P)

577 "And a lying, dishonest, self serving, prick shall lead them."

That is granted but which one will destroy your country if I vote for this person?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 03:10 PM (YpE/V)

578 Someone may have made this point already, but I just can't get too excited about ONE repub who manages to fart out some truth. ALL of them should be up on C-Span telling the f'ing truth. All of them, ALL the time. Just my opinion. Can u imagine?

Posted by: rivahgurl at July 24, 2015 03:10 PM (YeHHx)

579 But if he's going to CLAIM that, I need some verification beyond "because I say so" from a random internet commenter.

I can confirm it. It's true.

Posted by: Random Internet Commenter #2 at July 24, 2015 03:10 PM (8ZskC)

580 You just described Ted Cruz.

I agree, people signing on to Team Cruz over this are not demonstrating a surplus of discernment or sufficient cynicism regarding a politician.

But he definitely earned some respect after the filbuster, in my book. That put the rubber on the road in a very personal way that could have seriously cost him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:10 PM (39g3+)

581 "Again, who the fuck are you?



Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 03:05 PM (VY8H5)"

I'm your father.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 03:11 PM (DQU/+)

582 I've talked to a variety of analysts that have readjusted their estimates on break even below the $60 range into the $40s. The process seems to be getting more efficient by the month, practically.

Not near as cheap as the reserves in Saudi Arabia but cheap enough with the flexibility of the fracking process to shut down then ramp up and restart drilling when prices adjust. At the least the era of $100+ bbl oil as "the future" hardly makes sense anymore. is

NG got so cheap a few years back that it domestically shut itself down. But then the maginal operators left and the remaining players ramped back up as prices rose.

Posted by: Keith at July 24, 2015 03:11 PM (aGv81)

583 Read the responses re Walker and I suppose those are plausible reasons.


I gotta tell you, it does not inspire much confidence when the gestapo is unleashed against your own fucking people and you don't unleash the hell of the executive branch on those fuckers.


No, we have to read it in the National Review.


Not a very inspiring executive.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 03:11 PM (q5APL)

584 >>They commit 35%!!!!!! of the fucking murders.

I guess a snarky comment about jobs Americans won't do would be a hackneyed cliché about now.

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 03:11 PM (O7MnT)

585 pppssstttttt

they ALL think we are stupid

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:10 PM (zOTsN)

It would be nice to have a politician who talks to us as adults and who takes our concerns more seriously, then say, the concerns of some big donors, many of whom are probably more stupid than many of us.

No?

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)

586 I realize we're over 2 hours into this thread but I'd still like to point out that the title, "Ted Cruz: Mitch McConnell is, get this, straight-up lying to everyone" would be an improvement.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at July 24, 2015 03:11 PM (u9OP6)

587 Damn people, I can hardly keep up with you daywalkers lately.

Has anybody listened to Kelli Ward, who wants to primary McStain in Arizona? She was on Levin a week or two ago and seemed pretty on the ball.

She sounds like someone ace could get in on the ground floor with, and maybe deliver a knockout to one of the big wig RINOs

Posted by: Blano at July 24, 2015 03:12 PM (NHQQx)

588 The go-along, get-along, and very corrupt Republican Party is about to have its own Whig Moment.

Or not, which is what makes this so irritating. They may even pick up seats and the Presidency this cycle. The Democrats are just that bad.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 24, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)

589 I trust Ted Cruz as much as I trust Donald Trump.

Roll that through your brain and tell me what you think.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 03:12 PM (YpE/V)

590 You just described Ted Cruz.


Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 03:07 PM


Read the current lead story at Breitbart. Li'l Scottie Walker is fulminating against Choom Boy's Iranian nuke fiasco. Good premise -- though he seems to have little to say about the Senate, which greased the deal's way -- but then he goes into a free-association rap about how he and his brother tied yellow ribbons to trees 'way back when, etc., etc., etc.

I know it'll bring out the "Walker/Cruz '16!!" crowd, but it's kinda sad.

I don't trust Trump (and never said I did) but he's looking better all the time....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 24, 2015 03:12 PM (rCmeG)

591 I can confirm it. It's true.
Posted by: Random Internet Commenter #2 at July 24, 2015 03:10 PM (8ZskC)

oh okay, well then I'm sold.


582 I've talked to a variety of analysts that have readjusted their estimates on break even below the $60 range into the $40s. The process seems to be getting more efficient by the month, practically.
Posted by: Keith at July 24, 2015 03:11 PM (aGv81)

Oh, sure, well then it must be true.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 03:13 PM (AkOaV)

592 They commit 35%!!!!!! of the fucking murders.

We need either a fence or mandatory ettiquette lessons for all prospective border crosses.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 24, 2015 03:13 PM (8ZskC)

593

Posted by: Christopher Taylor


Yeah I would like to believe that Cruz has not been a recipient of all that sweet,sweet donor money and that this is not him being cut out of the Ex-Im bank cash. I am just too jaded for that.

He did a good thing by exposing McConnell whether it was intentional or calculated or not.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 03:13 PM (cNtqS)

594 Has anybody listened to Kelli Ward, who wants to primary McStain in Arizona?

I honestly do not care what she's like, who she is, what she believes in, how good or sane or intelligent she is. Anything, literally anything would be better than McCain. I would take a drooling idiot who gets his talking points from Baghwan Sri Rashneesh than John McCain.

Its the only compassionate thing to do, to put him out to pasture.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:14 PM (39g3+)

595 Illegals make up 1% of Texas population, per estimates.



Someone is full of shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 03:14 PM (X88sA)

596 Charming thread.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 24, 2015 03:15 PM (LA7Cm)

597 I'm your father.
Posted by: revolting peasant


Ah, avoidance.

The question must be a sensitive one.

So, tell us, who are you?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 03:15 PM (VY8H5)

598 Wow. I think I'll check in on the comments later in the evening. Bad vibe here.

Just wait for the Friday Night Moron Binge drinking commences! Tomorrow will be met with vomit encrusted keyboards!!!

Posted by: hadoop at July 24, 2015 03:15 PM (2X7pN)

599 It would be nice to have a politician who talks to
us as adults and who takes our concerns more seriously, then say, the
concerns of some big donors, many of whom are probably more stupid than
many of us.



No?

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)


I think that was essentially the theme of Goldwater's campaign. Treat the American people like adults, expect them to behave as such. Then Johnson showed a mushroom cloud in an ad, and that was it for the Goldwater campaign of trying to talk to the adults.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 03:15 PM (TOk1P)

600 When did we stop having pistol duels to resolve our disputes?

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2015 03:16 PM (6xtq3)

601 "Illegals make up 1% of Texas population, per estimates. "


They all must live in a 10 square mile block of my house.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 24, 2015 03:16 PM (LA7Cm)

602 lets assume fracking is still worth doing at around 40$

right now oil is at 49$

China is crashing

and there are huuuuge surpluses


plus Iran is entering the market

check back in a month. Tell me about the profits then

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:16 PM (zOTsN)

603 117
I've said it since day one, and I repeat it once again:



Walker/Cruz or Cruz/Walker 2016!



Personally, I think Walker/Cruz would have an extremely high chance of winning, but I'd be happy either way.


Walker / Cruz / Fiorina! The historic first three-way.

Posted by: pep at July 24, 2015 03:16 PM (LAe3v)

604 I think that was essentially the theme of Goldwater's campaign. Treat the American people like adults, expect them to behave as such. Then Johnson showed a mushroom cloud in an ad, and that was it for the Goldwater campaign of trying to talk to the adults.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 03:15 PM (TOk1P)

Yeah. Unfortunately Goldwater "proved" that being a libertarianish conservative who "told it how it is" was a losing formula.

At least that's what the consultants tell us.

Reagan seemed to take a similar (rhetorically at least) path, and his election results are nothing to scoff at.

Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 03:16 PM (AkOaV)

605 When did we stop having pistol duels to resolve our disputes?

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2015 03:16 PM (6xtq3)


When people figured out how to survive them.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:17 PM (kff5f)

606 @594

Totally agree. So how about the horde getting on board?

Posted by: Blano at July 24, 2015 03:18 PM (uiVGU)

607 Cruz is doing exactly what I want him to do this week.

Fiorina too.


I'd love Cruz/Fiorina.

The Smart In Your Face Ticket.


Trump seems to be getting more serious lets see if that translates into more conservative positions.

And some Hillary!, Choom, and Jeb! kicking as well.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 24, 2015 03:18 PM (0cMkb)

608 "They commit 35%!!!!!! of the fucking murders."

Lies! ALL LIES!! You stinking gringos, maricons and putas.

It is more like 50 percent.

Don't downplay our accomplishments!!!!

Posted by: El Chapo, Mexican Drug Lord at July 24, 2015 03:18 PM (KCQo0)

609 "When people figured out how to survive them."

Then Grenade Launchers at 10 paces it is.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 24, 2015 03:18 PM (YpE/V)

610 "The question must be a sensitive one.



So, tell us, who are you?



Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 03:15 PM (VY8H5)"
I knew I couldn't pull that off.

I'm Dr. Evil!!!

No?

Your mother?

No, wait! I'm Ted Cruz!!!

No....now you've got me all flustered. Like Gene Hackman in that weird movie.

I'll say anything you want!!!! Anything!! There were five thingies!! Five!



Posted by: revolting peasant at July 24, 2015 03:18 PM (DQU/+)

611 Totally agree. So how about the horde getting on board?

Posted by: Blano at July 24, 2015 03:18 PM (uiVGU)


I dunno.

I think the Horde needs pics to decide something of this importance.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:18 PM (kff5f)

612 When did we stop having pistol duels to resolve our disputes?

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2015 03:16 PM (6xtq3)


About the same time people starting pooping indoors and calling sarsaparilla "root beer."

Posted by: BurtTC at July 24, 2015 03:19 PM (TOk1P)

613 actually oil is under 49$, and dropping

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:19 PM (zOTsN)

614 Just saw on Fox that they already have gun permit info for the LA shooter (under 24hrs).

Have we seen any gun info for Adulazeez yet?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 24, 2015 03:19 PM (NOIQH)

615
I want a new thread
One that won't make me sick
One that won't make me tear my hair
Maybe something 'bout Robin Thicke

Posted by: not Huey Lewis at July 24, 2015 03:19 PM (ZtFr+)

616
I know it'll bring out the "Walker/Cruz '16!!" crowd, but it's kinda sad.

I don't trust Trump (and never said I did) but he's looking better all the time....


I think that Walker may be keeping his powder dry, but this may not be the election for that.

It's a marathon, not a sprint but what is your strategy when the leader has moved out a mile in front of the pack?


I always like governors betters than Federal legislators. A business CEO with no political background sounds good but can he successfully oppose an entrenched Social-Democrat GOP Congress?

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 03:19 PM (cNtqS)

617 Lol Ricardo,

No kidding. Nothing like south Grand Prairie or south Arlington to motivate one to learn Español.

Posted by: Blano at July 24, 2015 03:20 PM (NHQQx)

618 "Don't downplay our accomplishments!!!!"


The Man's always trying to keep you down ain't he, Chapo.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 24, 2015 03:20 PM (LA7Cm)

619 I'm sorry I said the "N" word.

Posted by: Paula Deen at July 24, 2015 03:21 PM (KCQo0)

620 It's a marathon, not a sprint but what is your strategy when the leader has moved out a mile in front of the pack?

Wow its like nobody here can do math or something.

In any case, if I were Walker, I wouldn't be worried about Trump as a rival. I'd study him to see what's working but I would know he'll flame out soon enough and be gone.

But I do agree, if you want to win, this may not be the race to be slow and steady in.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:21 PM (39g3+)

621 About the same time people starting pooping indoors ...
Posted by: BurtTC


You know ... about that...

Um, yeah.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 03:22 PM (VY8H5)

622 I'm sorry that I am lying to Ted Cruz and Congress and you.


*giggle*

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at July 24, 2015 03:23 PM (cNtqS)

623 Okay, so what RAAAAAACIST! thing did Colin Cowturd say about Dominicans that has everyone up in arms?

Posted by: logprof at July 24, 2015 03:23 PM (iNLlj)

624 When did we stop having pistol duels to resolve our disputes?
Posted by: Weasel


When people figured out how to survive them.



When it quit being about "honor" and cocksuckers quit aiming away and started aiming for center mass.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 03:23 PM (X88sA)

625 Oil will break the $40 level. Watch it happen.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 03:23 PM (q5APL)

626 I'm sorry I used the "N" word.

Posted by: Hulk Hogan at July 24, 2015 03:24 PM (KCQo0)

627 Man those Dominicans are a surly bunch.

Posted by: another lost diary of Margaret Mead at July 24, 2015 03:24 PM (ZtFr+)

628 And now for something completely different

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/selection-du-weekend-150-22.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 24, 2015 03:24 PM (XYw4l)

629 But I do agree, if you want to win, this may not be the race to be slow and steady in.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:21 PM (39g3+)

Not to mention that the front runner doesn't have to raise money. You better show now that your a viable candidate or forget raising enough money.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 03:24 PM (kQBSd)

630 No kidding. Nothing like south Grand Prairie or south Arlington to motivate one to learn Espanol.



West Dallas. San Antonio. Houston.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 03:24 PM (X88sA)

631 I'm not sorry I used the "N" word.

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 24, 2015 03:25 PM (KCQo0)

632 It'll be Walker/Martinez or maybe Walker/Rubio.

Cruz adds nothing to the ticket. Think about it for a while.

Cruz isn't going to be on the ticket. He isn't running for president or even for VP. He's running for SCOTUS or AG, then SCOTUS.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 24, 2015 03:25 PM (ljZD2)

633 So, given a choice, would you rather join...

1. the campaign of any of the GOP candidates.

2. a rogue army of Orc-bikers determined to make a pile of skulls out of Congress

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 03:25 PM (O7MnT)

634 I...


forget it.

Posted by: Michael Richards at July 24, 2015 03:25 PM (cNtqS)

635 I think that Walker may be keeping his powder dry, but this may not be the election for that. Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 03:19 PM

If you want to look at it that way, both McCain and Romney "kept their powder dry," too. So dry it never got near a damn flame....

I'm just not sure about Walker. He may have some good ideas, but I don't see him getting in the Mad Mullahs' faces and staring 'em down. He's a bit too namby-pamby for that.

His screed over at Breitbart read (to me, anyway) as if someone on his Consultant Team wrote it. Not in favor of that.

For G*d's sake, let someone besides Trump show some 'nads and Take it to the Man.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 24, 2015 03:25 PM (rCmeG)

636 West Dallas. San Antonio. Houston.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 03:24 PM (X88sA)


El Paso.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:25 PM (kff5f)

637 544: "The vast majority of us who are even quasi-supporting Trumps campaign are either in camp Let it Burn or (like your truly) camp Burn it Down."

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee. Death to the GOPe.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 24, 2015 03:26 PM (UPYPp)

638 But Kevin Williamson told me that Ted Cruz was a good little Establishmentarian.

Posted by: Boone at July 24, 2015 03:26 PM (aDkn+)

639 So, given a choice, would you rather join...

1. the campaign of any of the GOP candidates.

2. a rogue army of Orc-bikers determined to make a pile of skulls out of Congress

Posted by: V the K at July 24, 2015 03:25 PM (O7MnT)


About this rogue army of Orc-bikers... What kind of bikes, and what are there colors?

These are important questions.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 24, 2015 03:26 PM (kff5f)

640 New York

Newark

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:26 PM (zOTsN)

641 Okay, so what RAAAAAACIST! thing did Colin Cowturd say about Dominicans that has everyone up in arms?

You know what? Who cares, Colin Cowherd is one of the most loathsome, despicable pieces of trash that has ever walked the earth. He's a crappy, untalented knockoff of Jim Rome without half the sports comprehension. The fact that douchebag got a job on ESPN is proof the channel is utterlyworthless.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:26 PM (39g3+)

642 Oh, sure, well then it must be true.


Maybe, maybe not. I certainly don't know that's why I've relied on the professionals for their opinions on such upstream issues as I have collected a paycheck for the past 16 years in downstream petroleum. Though frankly a great many just tweak whatever EIA says--for what THAT is worth.

Hell, 7 years ago America being an energy giant poised to eclipse Saudia Arabia would have been a laughable idea. This is all very new.

Now, the estimates you hear of $25 break even do seem very low.

Posted by: Keith at July 24, 2015 03:27 PM (aGv81)

643 Azenogoth:


Yep. I still have not seen a spirited discussion about the fact that this is all a charade.


That no one, not even Walker, can beat Jebster. They RIGGED the game re FL.


Only the Donald can do it.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 24, 2015 03:27 PM (q5APL)

644 You know what? Who cares, Colin Cowherd is one of the most loathsome, despicable pieces of trash that has ever walked the earth. He's a crappy, untalented knockoff of Jim Rome without half the sports comprehension. The fact that douchebag got a job on ESPN is proof the channel is utterlyworthless.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:26 PM (39g3+)

--I care, because I want him to get nailed, even if he did inadvertantly speak the truth.

Posted by: logprof at July 24, 2015 03:28 PM (iNLlj)

645 It's over. Dennis Rodman has endorsed Trump.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 03:29 PM (XUKZU)

646 Ace must have hopped on the Noon ferry for Fire Island.

Posted by: Garrett at July 24, 2015 03:29 PM (S0Ca+)

647 El Paso.


Laredo, Brownsville, RGV.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 24, 2015 03:29 PM (X88sA)

648 Haha

Ace trying to vamp on the new podcast
reminds me of that Alec Baldwin radio show
"are there any callers ?"

Posted by: McCool at July 24, 2015 03:30 PM (nCSwS)

649
Hey Ted, let's have a "See Who Can Hit Softest Contest". I'll go first.

***WHAM!!!***

You win! HAW HAW HAW!

Posted by: Mitch McConnell

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 24, 2015 03:30 PM (kdS6q)

650 >>It's a marathon, not a sprint but what is your strategy when the leader has moved out a mile in front of the pack?

Aside from that one, flawed ABC/WaPo poll how is Trump way out in front? Walker is beating everyone pretty handily right now in Iowa, and starting to climb in NH.

I think he's pretty well positioned when the Trump balloon inevitably starts to deflate.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 03:30 PM (OGm46)

651 What does Ace have left except generic resentment? It'd be one thing if you were super right-wing, but every time you actually break down your position on the issues, you come across as fairly moderate. This constant rage against the establishment just comes off as Sarah Palin minus the Sarah Palin opinions

Posted by: W at July 24, 2015 03:30 PM (e1hQx)

652 633
So, given a choice, would you rather join...



1. the campaign of any of the GOP candidates.



2. a rogue army of Orc-bikers determined to make a pile of skulls out of Congress



*twist throttle on Harley while blasting 'Born to Be Wild' "

Posted by: some random meathead at July 24, 2015 03:30 PM (cNtqS)

653 Ace is trying to make sure the LA shooter isnt Hector

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:30 PM (zOTsN)

654 I'm just not sure about Walker. He may have some good ideas, but I don't see him getting in the Mad Mullahs' faces and staring 'em down. He's a bit too namby-pamby for that.

I get the opposite impression. He was quiet but resolute when facing a howling mad, death threat-hurling unwashed mob of leftists bussed into the state. He faced them down and didn't blink. How well that translates to dealing with foreign madmen is anybody's guess but he did show he has the chops. He just isn't loud about it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:30 PM (39g3+)

655 New one up, turd wranglers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 24, 2015 03:31 PM (VY8H5)

656 645 It's over. Dennis Rodman has endorsed Trump.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 24, 2015 03:29 PM (XUKZU)

--All that's left is for the Weekly World News Bat-Boy to endorse Trump and he rolls.

Posted by: logprof at July 24, 2015 03:31 PM (iNLlj)

657 I'm not sorry I used the "N" word.

Posted by: Barack Obama


!!!!

Can we get WWE to fire him?

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 24, 2015 03:32 PM (/Ho8c)

658 they did rig the game in Florida

and I do not think Walker can take Florida

Posted by: ThunderB at July 24, 2015 03:32 PM (zOTsN)

659
"Illegals make up 1% of Texas population, per estimates. "


They all must live in a 10 square mile block of my house.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 24, 2015 03:16 PM (LA7Cm)
.........................................
California... about 6.4 percent (2.45 million) of the state's overall population.
However, illegal immigrants are 9.4 percent of CA labor force,
I would triple these estimates also.

Posted by: wth at July 24, 2015 03:32 PM (wAQA5)

660 a rogue army of Orc-bikers determined to make a pile of skulls out of Congress

These orc bikers, how do they have an Oregon chapter?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:32 PM (39g3+)

661 >>627 Man those Dominicans are a surly bunch.



Bunch of Nappy Headed Thugs is what they are.

Posted by: Don Imus at July 24, 2015 03:32 PM (S0Ca+)

662 Whoooo are you?

who who, who who.

I really want to knooooowwww.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 24, 2015 03:34 PM (x3GpS)

663 I think he's pretty well positioned when the Trump balloon inevitably starts to deflate.

Everyone keeps forgetting Trumps money. He can flood the zone like no one has even has with ads and such. He hasn't begun to spend yet. Who ever wins the Nom is going to have to raise 1 billion dollars to truly mount a successful campaign. Trump just writes a check.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 24, 2015 03:34 PM (kQBSd)

664 This is kind of cool. Baby killers getting ready to leave the nest for the first time.
JackStraw

Wow - they look great! I read a little about them and they are at flying readiness in 8-10 weeks so they are coming up on that fast. I wish that I was viewing at the exact time of first flight

Posted by: Cheri at July 24, 2015 03:36 PM (oiNtH)

665 What does Ace have left except generic resentment?

I think he's like a lot of us: screw the lot of 'em. They all suck, even the ones that suck less.... suck.

And with what's coming, I don't really want someone I admire as much as Cruz to be at the helm when it all hits the fan.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:38 PM (39g3+)

666 Walker doesn't have to take Florida. He will have already won IA, NH, NV, and SC and most of the Super Tuesday states.

This isn't going to drag on past early to mid March.


Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 24, 2015 03:38 PM (ljZD2)

667 >>>...Yeah. Unfortunately Goldwater "proved" that being a libertarianish conservative who "told it how it is" was a losing formula.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 24, 2015 03:16 PM (AkOaV) <<<



Forget not the media.

Goldwater news clip: leaning forward over a podium saying,
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!"

Johnson news clips: speaking calmly and affirmatively saying,
I will not involve the American people in Vietnam.

That is what turned the election.



Posted by: Ralph at July 24, 2015 03:38 PM (AEEhl)

668 "It's over. Dennis Rodman has endorsed Trump."

Where's Gary Busey, Trump's other consigliere from "Celebrity Apprentice"?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 24, 2015 03:39 PM (KCQo0)

669 I think he's pretty well positioned when the Trump balloon inevitably starts to deflate.

That's kind of my take on it as well. Its a matter of time before Trump self destructs, so the smart move is to put yourself into a solid number two position and seem like the sane one.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2015 03:39 PM (39g3+)

670 >>Wow - they look great! I read a little about them and they are at flying readiness in 8-10 weeks so they are coming up on that fast. I wish that I was viewing at the exact time of first flight

Me too. But once they take off I'm going to head over to the marsh and watch it live. I want to see them going after fish for the first time.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2015 03:40 PM (OGm46)

671 633
So, given a choice, would you rather join...

1. the campaign of any of the GOP candidates.

2. a rogue army of Orc-bikers determined to make a pile of skulls out of Congress


I'll take option number 2 while wearing my Oderous Urungus helmet and clenching a zippo in my buttcheeks.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 24, 2015 03:42 PM (UPYPp)

672 Love me some Cruz.
And by the way: Release the Khalidi tapes!

Posted by: NYC Peasant at July 24, 2015 03:44 PM (k8tEg)

673 Awesome! I check on them daily and feel like part of the family now. Although I prefer my fish on a plate.

Posted by: Cheri at July 24, 2015 03:44 PM (oiNtH)

674 Fuck Donald Trump with a pineapple.[b/]

He's a self promoting, money grubbing asshole.

He's no more going to be President of the US than the man in the fucking moon.

Deal with it.


Posted by: Portnoy at July 24, 2015 03:49 PM (OmSir)

675 A bold prediction.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 24, 2015 03:55 PM (evdj2)

676 The biggest reason Ted Cruz isn't going to be on the ticket is exemplified by how he handled the Code Pink people the other day. He actually engaged them to show off his debating chops. Nobody doubts his debating chops and he was clearly killing that chick on the merits.

The problem? He was totally punching down. I would expect a US Senator to be able to out-debate a moron protester. Any US Senator of both parties, with very few exceptions.

Walker had a similar stunt that was attempted on him with the illegal immigrant family. How did he handle it? Did he debate the activists that were with the stage prop family? No. He talked directly and calmly to the props, thus treating them much better than the activists, themselves. He ignored the activists. He was normal, human, and didn't punch down.

That's the difference. Cruz wants to win a debate today. Walker wants to win the election next November. Their actions in these situations tell you this.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 24, 2015 03:56 PM (ljZD2)

677 "Oil will break the $40 level. Watch it happen."

Collapsing oil prices are like, totally consistent with a robust economic recovery.

Posted by: President Man's Country at July 24, 2015 04:12 PM (hL1jD)

678 Cruz is the ticket.

If he's willing to straight up and BRUTALLY call out Mitch McConnell on being a liar: how do you think he'll deal with Hillary?

He. Is. Fearless.

And he is an unadulterated conservative.

Clearly, Ted Cruz has the highest IQ of any of the candidates (with the possible exception of Jindal). And yet, he is plain spoken.

If the conservative movement passes on the reliably conservative Ted Cruz for the likes of a charismatic Rubio or for an effective Republican governor who seems to be kinda'-sorta' be finding his way to 'mostly' conservative positions: then the conservative movement will have lost its moorings.

There is nothing radioactive about Ted Cruz. So there is no reason for conservatives to back a probable-near-conservative over him.


Posted by: _Dave_ at July 24, 2015 04:19 PM (l2dSQ)

679 No normal, non-political junkie American can even name the Senate majority and minority leaders.

"Brutally" "calling out" people normal people have never heard of? This is what wins elections? Uh, no.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 24, 2015 04:26 PM (ljZD2)

680 Now, if someone wanted to argue that any of Bobby Jindal or Fred Thompson or Dick Cheney are as conservative as Ted Cruz: such a one would at least have a credible argument to make.
But since Thompson and Cheney aren't in the running, it would only make sense to back Jindal over Cruz for the nomination.
- That's a respectable conservative choice.

But my own strong preference is Cruz.


Posted by: _Dave_ at July 24, 2015 04:28 PM (l2dSQ)

681
I think you're missing the point.

Since "we"know who Mitch McConnell is and the tremendous power he wields in the Republican establishment: then we know the incredible risks that Cruz is taking by outright calling McConnell a liar.

Now follow along because this is where it gets tricky.
Since "we" know that Cruz will take such a HUGE risk by taking on one of the most powerful members of his own party: then "we" can have confidence that Cruz will be even more strident and go for the throat when taking on the Democrat nominee.
Now do you see?

Posted by: _Dave_ at July 24, 2015 04:36 PM (l2dSQ)

682 Also, we need to keep fighting any ban on corporate donations to political candidates and parties because...uhm.....because....uh.....


Why exactly is that a conservative position again/

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at July 24, 2015 05:05 PM (HqpV0)

683 I like Cruz. I'm reading his book (bought to f with NYT) and he talks about how Washington works (corruption). I get the sense that he is completely genuine. If this is the war on the Washington machine, then it is about time and we need to back the guys willing to get up and spread some sunshine on the BS. Outloud. Saying the sh*t no one else will say. Sure we all know how corrupt the Govt is. But he has the stones to point to them in the Chamber, on CSPAN and say it "outloud".

Posted by: DailyDish at July 24, 2015 05:20 PM (y/3Fq)

684 Let it burn. What else can you say when both parties are charging headlong towards that cliff?

Posted by: doc at July 24, 2015 05:30 PM (S1Jj/)

685 He was for it before he was agin it and if he was fooled by Mitch McConnell, on a bill he himself did not read, then he's not fit to lead. I don't like being played for a fool because ted has aspirations he isn't ready for.

Posted by: concealedkerry or submitt at July 24, 2015 05:37 PM (kHv/o)

686 I think Trump's moxie is having an effect on Ted Cruz! Finally, Cruz is telling it like it is!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 24, 2015 07:19 PM (xetep)

687 I just don't get the Cruz hate on this thread. People like mynewhandle saying that Cruz is somehow just doing this because he is running for president and that he's insincere. I'm sorry, that's just pure stupid talk.

Don't you people questioning Cruz's motives at least keep up with who our true conservative leaders are? Cruz has the best Conservativereview.com rating of any Senator. He not only talks the talk, he walks the walk as well.

He HAS been fighting the GOPe from day one. He even ultimately voted against TPA when the vote counted. And had he voted against "The Deal" instead of being on the campaign trail then the vote would have been 98-2 instead of 98-1. Big whoop. You're going to crucify the guy for that?

C'mon. I'm embarrassed that there are so many purists on this board who want a 100% record on everything you personally agree with. How would that even be possible? And this guy is a Senator where normally a politician would be hard-pressed to vote against his own caucus at any time.

Sessions voted FOR "The Deal". So did Rubio, Paul, even Lee. So please spare us the hand-wringing about how Cruz is not the real deal.

He's proved that he is time and time again. This speech is simply his decision to take it to the GOPe in a big way.

CRUZ/TRUMP | 2016

Posted by: beeblebrox has 2 heads at July 24, 2015 08:44 PM (5UnPC)

688 +1 beeblebrox

But Trump would never play VP to anyone.

Posted by: unfatmatt at July 25, 2015 12:07 AM (kyTFr)

689 It occurs to me that Cruz has seen that he must do something to break out. The same goes for all the candidates and that should make for some crazy shit. But that's another subject.

I'm hoping that Cruz has decided ( the trend goes back to his start in the Senate ) to go full rebel. Bust the scum masquerading as Republicans in the Senate and the House. Literally break every one of their bullshit conspiratorial unwritten rules and games they play up there.

I'm hoping he has seen that there is no future for an honest man in the senate and either he wins this election or he resigns from a corrupt body of corruptocrats and goes on to fight some other way.

Posted by: NUECES at July 25, 2015 10:10 AM (avlDR)

690 Video changed from Ted Cruz to a bunch of garbage wtf.

Posted by: Teejay at July 25, 2015 12:23 PM (Apgff)

691 How many votes does the Chamber of Commerce have, anyway? Not mine. I'm done with the puppets.

Posted by: MarkD at July 25, 2015 10:56 PM (PG3G4)

692 "The only thing I don't know now is if Cruz would have been as bold if Trump hadn't shown there were numbers in balls."

No need to wonder. Cruz was made an enemy of the GOPe within months of coming to DC, for daring to suggest that the Republicans in the Senate actually do what they promise. This occured not just on the shutdown but on multiple other 'sellout' occasions, like when they stiffed us with cromnibus, Cruz warned us, then made his personal valiant effort to get an actual vote on opposing Obama's policy. Reid and McConnell were united in NOT wanting an honest vote on it.

Cruz was on fire with Rush on Friday. Cruz is calling them out. Calling out how McConnell has filled the tree, reid-style, to stop a vote on planned parenthood. We already knew the leadership were craven sellouts. Cruz is painting the picture with details.

On the cynics on this: It's valid to consider the 'Cruz os doing this for himself' angle, but for himself Cruz voted based on promises made by leadership. If nothing else, Cruz feels compelled to go public with what happened behind closed doors, to explain to us what is really going on.

I know viscerally what Cruz is
thinking, as I've experienced similar situations in the personal
political world. Cruz was genuinely offended by the lie. At least the
liberals straight out tell you their position, but the GOPe takes their
own grassroots for fools.

The only relationship this has to Trump is this: Trump is yet another carnival barker pseudo-candidate who will never be President. As such, he can talk smack all day long and know it won't matter. Trump is proof that talk is cheap, especially for a really rich guy. Trump is proof that we DO have low information voters who get sold on a guy saying the 'right' things and having nothing to back it up. Pro-abort new york city mogul - bloomberg or trump, you decide.

We don't need tough talk. Too many BS artists talk tough then turn RINO in office. We need honest leadership.



Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at July 26, 2015 10:25 AM (yTnTP)

693 "687
I just don't get the Cruz hate on this thread. People like mynewhandle
saying that Cruz is somehow just doing this because he is running for
president and that he's insincere. I'm sorry, that's just pure stupid
talk."

It is stupid talk to the max.

You don't go about winning friends and influencing people by ticking off the majority leader.

See, if Cruz was smart like Rand Paul, he'd be best buds with Mitch and endorse him and get Mitch to info him to all his money-grubbing pal$.

Cruz didn't do that. Cruz stuck to actually doing in DC what he told the voters he'd do.


Posted by: Jeffrey Dahmer at July 26, 2015 11:11 AM (yTnTP)

694
Cruz has been telling it like it is for a long time. Cruz was telling it like it is back when Trump was sayign Romney was too tough on illegal immigration.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at July 26, 2015 11:12 AM (yTnTP)

695 "This is just Cruz trying regain some relevance in the presidential race.
The "anti-establishment" fire-breather role he previously was playing
has been usurped by Trump."

Nope.

Trump has the "useless vanity joke candidate who goes around pi**ing off the media by saying politically incorrect things and getting ratings bumps for all over it" slot.

What one thing has Trump done for the conservative movement? and no, calling mexicans rapists doesnt count. feminists call men rapists and that's not conservatism.


Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at July 26, 2015 11:16 AM (yTnTP)

696 "I agree, people signing on to Team Cruz over this are not
demonstrating a surplus of discernment or sufficient cynicism regarding a
politician."

I call BS on this. Ted Cruz has been vilified in the press by the very inside-the-beltway GOP-e types since 2012, gotten a ton of flak for daring to suggest the GOP Senators do what they promised in campaigns. This happened right out of the gate in 2013 when Cruz helped torpedo gun control, built up in the shutdown fiasco, and continued when Cruz went against leadership on a debt ceiling vote (wherein McConnell was going for a 'deal' that would gaurantee Obama his next trillion$ while making the GOP look 'strong' - showboat Failure Theatre).

The plain fact is that Ted Cruz has been going against the very grain of cynical Showboat Conservatism that has hollowed out our intellectual core and driven the grassroots crazy while creating a stink of Failure Theatre again and again.

This latest Cruz-McConnell blowup is only the latest in close to a dozen such dustups and made Cruz hated in the Senate ... for daring to tell the truth about things. It takes a LOT of courage to do against colleagues who have power of you in matters of principle like this.

Show me where ANY of the other candidates have bled for conservative causes (only Scott Walker or Cruz even rate on that metric IMHO).

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at July 26, 2015 01:16 PM (yTnTP)

697 "It's over. Dennis Rodman has endorsed Trump."

Yikes, the nation has gone full Kardashian.

"marginal candidates who need a surge of
"anti-establishment" voters, of whatever stripe, to build critical mass.
Trump sucks the life out of each of their campaigns. Perry,
particularly, is going to get flushed by Trump before the end of the
summer."

Well, no wonder Perry is pissed. 7 election wins in a row in the largest Republican state, and he's been the longest running GOP governor of a major state, and he's upstaged among conservative voters by a pro-abortion non-conservative New Yorker. And why? because Trump is boldly saying stupidly annoying stuff that the media hates.

The idea that somehow a strong border's anti-immigration voter will do 'better' with Trump is absurd. IMHO, the best on that issue in a genuine way are Jindal and Cruz. Ironic that they are sons of immigrants but so be it.


"Cruz, too, possibly. Then Trump will get flushed ..."
Cruz has $50 million raised so far. He's one of the few who will be left standing.

"... by either Bush
or Walker, who are the only two candidates that are actually running for
president."

well, I think Jindal, Perry, Kasich etc. *want* to be President. And unlike Trump, they are plausible nominees. The 8-ball says low odds for all but Walker, Cruz, Bush, and Rubio, but we have a very rich field.

Trump has nothing on the rest of the field but a big mouth. In fact, he is superfluous. But the message from voters is: Don't be immigration sellouts.

"Everybody else, including Trump, are running for other
things whilst pretending to run for president."

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at July 26, 2015 01:27 PM (yTnTP)

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