Senate Passes USA Freedom Act to Replace Expired Patriot Act

Obama says he'll sign the bill.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress approved sweeping changes Tuesday to surveillance laws enacted after the Sept. 11 attacks, eliminating the National Security Agency's disputed bulk phone-records collection program and replacing it with a more restrictive measure to keep the records in phone companies' hands.

...

The legislation will revive most of the programs the Senate had allowed to lapse in a dizzying collision of presidential politics and national security policy. But the authorization will undergo major changes, the legacy of agency contractor Edward Snowden's explosive revelations two years ago about domestic spying by the government.

The Senate passed USA Freedom over McConnell's objections. He sought to formally pass the Patriot Act, explicitly gifting the government the broad metadata collection powers it previously just assumed.

"This is a step in the wrong direction," a frustrated McConnell said on the Senate floor ahead of the Senate's final vote to approve the House version, dubbed the USA Freedom Act. He said the legislation "does not enhance the privacy protections of American citizens. And it surely undermines American security by taking one more tool form our warfighters at exactly the wrong time."

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It would also continue other post-9/11 surveillance provisions that lapsed Sunday night, and which are considered more effective than the phone-data collection program. These include the FBI's authority to gather business records in terrorism and espionage investigations and to more easily eavesdrop on suspects who are discarding cellphones to avoid surveillance.

Many are unimpressed by the reforms contained in this bill.

The bill, the USA FREEDOM Act, manages to have a more ridiculous acronym than the PATRIOT Act and includes a few measures to strengthen the intelligence communityís ability to track terror suspects (for instance, it eases the transition between tracking them within the U.S. and abroad, activities that require different legal approval). Some privacy advocates thought the bill didnít go nearly far enough -- it will still allow broad requests for metadata, just not as broad or as easily as under the original Patriot Act -- but some hawkish legislators (and NRís editors) argued that the replacement program will be less effective without doing anything important for civil liberties.

Meanwhile, the AP is reporting the FBI is running surveillance flights from "front companies," though this seems to be ginned up nonsense to me.

ASHINGTON (AP) -- Scores of low-flying planes circling American cities are part of a civilian air force operated by the FBI and obscured behind fictitious companies, The Associated Press has learned.

The AP traced at least 50 aircraft back to the FBI, and identified more than 100 flights in 11 states over a 30-day period since late April, orbiting both major cities and rural areas. At least 115 planes, including 90 Cessna aircraft, were mentioned in a federal budget document from 2009.

For decades, the planes have provided support to FBI surveillance operations on the ground. But now the aircraft are equipped with high-tech cameras, and in rare circumstances, technology capable of tracking thousands of cellphones, raising questions about how these surveillance flights affect Americans' privacy.

See, this is what I mean by ginned-up nonsense. In rare occasions, they may be equipped with equipment capable of this.

What am I supposed to do with that?

It seems to me any time you have a surveillance flight, you might want to do some electromagnetic spectrum monitoring on your target. Now I suppose that you could just start scanning everyone in the area.

I don't know. Some people seem less interested in protecting civil liberties than in protecting criminals from detection and prosecution. I suppose this is a reasonable thing to do if you imagine the government will declare you a criminal at some point in the future. A bit paranoid of a fear, but... not as paranoid a fear as it should be.

Even conceding, arguendo, the government might actually turn technology against citizens it brands Political Outlaws at some point in the future, are we to just give terrorists a free hand in the meanwhile?

The "front companies" thing seems like hyped-up nonsense to me, too. You would not want these planes marked FBI, or have them known to be FBI planes. This is the same idea of the FBI working out of vans marked "Imogene's Flowers" when they're doing surveillance.

Do we get worked up about that? Is it just hair-pulling-out time as a general thing?

I just don't see the story here.

Posted by: Ace at 05:25 PM




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1 Oneth again?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:25 PM (0HooB)

2 Where's the Flaming House?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:26 PM (F2IAQ)

3 Whee! Twice in one day.

I'll get the others.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:26 PM (0HooB)

4 Thank you for your service, Senator McCain. Now please slip on a banana peel.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:27 PM (evdj2)

5 Well, yes we ARE better off.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:27 PM (F2IAQ)

6 Now I suppose that you could just start scanning everyone in the area.

Standard Training Op.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:28 PM (evdj2)

7 That Obama says he'll sign it is a big clue as to how much more privacy protection is in it.

Which is zero.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:28 PM (zRby/)

8 Even conceding, arguendo,


--I saw Arguendo open for Tears for Fears in 1990.

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:28 PM (FGst3)

9 Oh, and well played, Ace. Well played.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (evdj2)

10 Okay, now see 5 posted at the Kos would deemed not sarcastic, here it *would* be deemed sarcastic. The DoJ sarcasm detector has it's job cut out for it.

Posted by: Turing at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (F2IAQ)

11 If the NSA was collecting data on moslems I'd have no problem with that. Instead, it's used to punish the left's enemies. Good riddance.

Posted by: Null at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (xjpRj)

12 I get what you're saying about a non-story, however I'm no longer predisposed to give these fascist jerks the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: citizen khan at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (FY9QZ)

13 2 Where's the Flaming House?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:26 PM (F2IAQ)

Wight hewe, big boy!

Posted by: Barney Frank at June 02, 2015 05:29 PM (FGst3)

14 so is it good or bad? I suspect anything that Barky is willing to sign into law.

Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (qSIlh)

15 'Steve's Crop Dusting'

Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH)

16 'Steve's Crop Dusting'
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM


Bob's Discount Skydiving

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (h4vJk)

17 Can it be a win if McConnell is frustrated and Obama is happy to sign it?

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (ecDRv)

18 From the sidebar:



Bruce Jenner: My Marriage Broke Up Chiefly Because My Wife Wasn't Very Nice, and Not So Much Because I Got My Penis Surgically Removed and Replaced With a Fake Vagina

Translation: It's not abut the nail.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (XUKZU)

19 I've been conditioned to align against anything 0bama say's he'll sign.

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (FGst3)

20 Now the question is; are those FBI Spy Planes armed?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (zRby/)

21 FBI seems to be doing a good job of nabbing muslim terrorists too in america. There's always some new guy going to court every month it seems. I don't see how the FBI helicopters and planes are a big issue.

Posted by: Gustav at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (pmv/9)

22 'Steve's Crop Dusting'

Posted by: FBI Plane Signage
--------------------------
Possible thread winner

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:31 PM (F2IAQ)

23
This is bullshit.

It's a horse of a different goddam color.

You know how I know it's awful? You told me obama will sign it.

Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at June 02, 2015 05:32 PM (7gCCJ)

24 I suspect anything that Barky is willing to sign into law.

I think that's as infallible rule of thumb as there is. Second only to if McCain is furr it, I'm aggin it.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:32 PM (evdj2)

25 15 'Steve's Crop Dusting'

Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH)


--Did Steve eat a burrito on the plane?

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:32 PM (FGst3)

26 mercy...mercy...at least some lube...

Posted by: The Chicken at June 02, 2015 05:33 PM (eOpVe)

27 Anything Obama's for, I'm against.

Proven predictive 100% of the time for the last 7 years.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:33 PM (zRby/)

28
You hear how obama's FBI shot dead an unarmed non-caucasian today? I have to wonder if they were white agents. Supposedly he had terrorist ties and supposedly had a knife.

Probably all lies.

Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at June 02, 2015 05:33 PM (7gCCJ)

29 The most important thing to know is whether the FBI surveillance planes have pictures of pigeon genitalia on the bottom of the fuselage.

Posted by: Furious George at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (UlJ3l)

30 I wasn't too worried until that skywriter wrote "Surrender Teabaggers!"

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (XUKZU)

31 TFG's gonna sign it? It can't be good, then.

There's probably something else in that's just as bad as what it replaced. Those bastards don't take a shit without a plan.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (0HooB)

32 Who does the FBI have under surveillance? Obama's people stirring up the protesters. or the police commanders and city mayor?

What protests have there been in Minneapolis?

and only very rarely does the FBI do phone surveillance, almost never do black bag jobs, and are now trained to not leave tape holding door latches unlike the inept CIA contract burglars at the Watergate.

Very rarely. Trust US, we don't read other people's mail nor listen to their phone calls. Other than one or two times with the mafia. Very rarely, it is just too expensive and takes too much manpower as you can see in the latest news from Boston. It takes a very large crew to keep surveillance on just one man for two years. So the FBI doesn't do it often.

Posted by: Gerald Yltra at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (no/Fn)

33 We need the secret fleet of planes to surveill people the TSA let pass through checkpoints with dangerous materials.

Posted by: the FBI at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (xsnUW)

34 I think it's a male plane!

Posted by: Ned Niederlander at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (2Ojst)

35 "so is it good or bad? I suspect anything that Barky is willing to sign into law."


Ostensibly, metadata will now be collected and retained by the communications companies rather than directly by the government. The government can then request to see it from the companies if deemed necessary.

As somebody else already said, the government will probably continue in some fashion.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (LA7Cm)

36 All your information are belong to us...

Posted by: Zero Wing at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (eOpVe)

37 For God's sake, don't click this!!!

http://i.___ur.com/55YEbqU.gifv

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2015 05:34 PM (xWW96)

38 Given the FBI's record (Atlanta Olympics, psychological profiling, the crime lab falsifying evidence,...) I would prefer that they not have an air force until they can demonstrate that they won't auger the damn things into my house.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (nFdGS)

39 'My Other Plane is a Cloud Seeder'

Posted by: FBI Plane Bumpersticker at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (/1eYH)

40 There have been attempts by members of a certain religious group to film and probe security in places people are not allowed to be without authorization. They are very curious about our ports and refineries in particular.


I would think aircraft with cameras would be very helpful in securing these very large locations

Posted by: Thunderb at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (zOTsN)

41 Reuters headline for passage of USA "Freedom" act:

"Bill to limit domestic spy programs passes U.S. Congress"

Posted by: Lena Dunhams Uncircumcised Vulva at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (mKi9t)

42 You know that's how fighter planes began.

WWI planes were used for observation only at the beginning of the war.

Then things escalated.

I'm waiting for someone to come up with a civilian pursuit interceptor drone.

Arm it with a pellet gun.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:35 PM (zRby/)

43 Supposedly he had terrorist ties

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Speaking of terrorists ties, didja see that the Coke can Muslim had ties to the Muslims Brotherhood and posted about them on her Facebook? It's all scrubbed now.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (XUKZU)

44 "I think it's a male plane!"


Yeah, but I don't see any balls.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (LA7Cm)

45 Who does the FBI have under surveillance?
-------------

Mostly, Bakers, Florists, jewelers, and cops.
Because, priorities.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (F2IAQ)

46 The government didnt need the Patriot act nor to create the DHS nor to expand then TSA into every airport to protect us.

The 9/11 hijackers were known, Nidal Hassan was known, the Shoe Bomber was known, the Tanarevs were known.

THEY DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM!

Because they are incompetent fools who rather than looking at the Jihadis waltzing right under their noses they are fapping to the idea of catching the next Timothy McVeigh.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (lPu4P)

47 Maybe I'll try that link again.

http://goo.gl/BrmypL

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (xWW96)

48 ...and we absolutely can trust the AP and their inside sources who say 'very rarely' because why would they lie? If you can't trust AP who can you trust?

We are in good hands. Obama only wants what is best for US.

Posted by: Gerald Yltra at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (no/Fn)

49 >>34 I think it's a male plane!



How can you tell?

Posted by: Dusty Bottoms at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (/1eYH)

50 Flowers By Irene

Posted by: Frank Underwood (D-SC) at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (hxTXe)

51 "Arm it with a pellet gun."


I did see one armed with a gun on some TV show. It was a handgun installed to fire straight down but I don't remember what the purpose was.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (LA7Cm)

52

Bumper sticker I saw today; somebody tell me what it means, please:

"I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."
-- Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (7gCCJ)

53 >>What protests have there been in Minneapolis?

Wasn't that long ago that the Mall of America was supposedly an ISIS target and there are a shitload of Muslims in Minnesota and a recent poll of them said that they would prefer to live under Sharia.

So they are probably watching a bunch of Lutherans.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (g1DWB)

54 >>>"I think it's a male plane!"





Yeah, but I don't see any balls.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (LA7Cm)<<<

Oh, then that's not FBI, that's ours.

Posted by: the GOPe at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (xsnUW)

55 OH and you can always tell the reality of a bill by assuming it's the opposite of the name they give it.

Patriot Act == Treasonous Spy Empowerment

US Freedom Act == Enslavement and Control of Citizens Act.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (zRby/)

56 Yeah, but I don't see any balls.

Dimocrat voter.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:38 PM (0HooB)

57 Are these the planes that do the chem trails?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:38 PM (nFdGS)

58 ""I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."
-- Abraham Lincoln"


I don't know wtf that means.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:38 PM (LA7Cm)

59 Ace... the problem with all this sub rosa secret little deals is OVERSIGHT.

Classified programs are not monitored for the 'buddy contract' problem... unless someone on the inside wants to get someone (see Dick Marchinko)....

Its the same deal as the bulk collection of emails... where insiders are looking up dirt on girlfriends NOT really using it to find bad guys (according to their own IG)....

We really have no idea WHAT the Government is using this for.... where the data is going... what these planes are looking for...

And our Government has PROOVEN itself untrustworthy... (look at the illegal CIA op in Benghazi that ran guns to Syria, which the GOPe KNEW about... )... or look at giving guns to Mexican drug Lords.... or.. hell.... I can go on all damn day.

IMO ANY power the Government takes for itself, will eventually be abused (look at the current crap with the IRS!, or EPA, or OSHA)

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (qh617)

60 So they are probably watching a bunch of Lutherans.
Posted by: JackStraw

That lutefisk is a known biological weapon.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (tgnRB)

61
"Obama says he'll sign the bill."
....................................................
Ohhhhh, gracious god! Thank you so much! Oh! (gasping for air)

Posted by: Julio Osequeda at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (wAQA5)

62 "Oh, then that's not FBI, that's ours."


Heh!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (LA7Cm)

63
Yeah, I'm too tired to suss out it's meaning.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (7gCCJ)

64 Hassan was passing out Jihadi R Us business cards, and the Army brass was too fucking scared of getting a negative OER and having the PC goons on their ass.

Not to mention not wanting to jeopardize their sweet pensions.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 02, 2015 05:39 PM (OsWis)

65 "I think it's a male plane!"

Yeah, but I don't see any balls.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM


They're hanging from the tailwheel.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (h4vJk)

66
I think context would be helpful, but all I have is the quote.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (7gCCJ)

67 "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."

-- Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (7gCCJ)

Any religion that allows animal cruelty (perceived or real) is not worthy of the bumper sticker applier.

That, or "Kick me!"

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (ecDRv)

68 47 Maybe I'll try that link again.

http://goo.gl/BrmypL
Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (xWW96)

Maddogg, you have redeemed yourself, at least temporarily.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (2Ojst)

69 It seems impossible to get a handle on exactly what the deal is with this thing, but there's a long-standing tradition in Congress to name an act the exact opposite of what it actually is, and this one's called "USA Freedom Act", so ...

Posted by: Optimizer at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (/q6+P)

70 55 OH and you can always tell the reality of a bill by assuming it's the opposite of the name they give it.

Patriot Act == Treasonous Spy Empowerment

US Freedom Act == Enslavement and Control of Citizens Act.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:37 PM (zRby/)


Yep.... a Judge just squashed parts of the Pat Act.... so they had to pass another bill.... so anything they are doing will have to go BACK through the Court system...

So they have Carte Blanche for the next couple of years...

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (qh617)

71 I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.

It's a fake quote from Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol II.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (evdj2)

72 Ace ... you seem to be willfully, blissfully ignorant of the notion that - as the US continues to legislatively codify a bona-fide police state with sweeping surveillance powers and legal precedent to seize assets without probable cause - while simultaneously discussing the notions of what is and is not permitted public speech - an ewok such as yourself that LITERALLY MAKES A LIVING out of publishing critiques of various political entities might find themselves to be a Federal Target as the result of the confluence of the two previously mentioned trends.


Aw ... fuck it. Sometimes I just shrug and let my kids learn the hard way ... and I have a hell of a lot more vested interest in them than you.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (C57zR)

73 I laughed at Imogene's Flowers. Imogene, what a name.

Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (2x3L+)

74
To what religion was Lincoln referring?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (7gCCJ)

75 "IMO ANY power the Government takes for itself, will eventually be abused "


Caller on a local radio said something to the effect "that at this point he'd rather fight the terrorists than his own government for his civil rights."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (LA7Cm)

76 Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM

You, sir, are a great American. *doffs hat*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (h4vJk)

77 They're hanging from the tailwheel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:40 PM (h4vJk)

*****

Those Trucknutz are pretty adaptable.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (sdPF/)

78 Because they are incompetent fools who rather than looking at the Jihadis waltzing right under their noses they are fapping to the idea of catching the next Timothy McVeigh.
Posted by: Kreplach at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (lPu4P)

--Well put.

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (FGst3)

79 They were following me all the time, so I'd go play long rounds of golf, then watch them run out of fuel like they did in Casino.

Posted by: Dennis Hastert at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (xsnUW)

80 "I think it's a male plane!"

Yeah, but I don't see any balls.



It's a Bruce Jenner plane.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (et+T8)

81 I am not sure I want my government to announce exactly what their capabilities are, and where they are doing them and why

Posted by: Thunderb at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (zOTsN)

82 Since 2001 or 2002 the massive data collection has not caught anyone that I know of. no terrorists

They accessed it what 300 times?

just fuckin profile terrorists, like moslem men between 15 and 45 and their fellow traveler women

Posted by: Just spit-balling here at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (D0Tns)

83 Maddogg, you have redeemed yourself, at least temporarily.

You're a great American.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (0HooB)

84 "You can't trust everything on the Internet or bumper stickers."

--Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (FGst3)

85 Lincoln never made a cryptic remark. The man was eloquent when he asked you to pass the salt.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (evdj2)

86 Ace, I would sympathize with your view about crippling anti-terrorism and anti-crime efforts...if I believed for one second that was how it was being used.

The events of the last 6-8 years have permanently disabused me of that notion in toto.

And no, I have no short or medium term solutions, because the only real one is long term--and we may not have that luxury, either.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (DT3rQ)

87
TFG's gonna sign it? It can't be good, then.
.................................................
And he'll do it with that weird crooked bent left wrist motion that irritates me so.

Posted by: wth at June 02, 2015 05:42 PM (wAQA5)

88 I think the quote attributed to Lincoln (of which I am skeptical) means something like "If your religion can't motivate you to do something simple like treat your pets a little better then what good is it?"

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (nFdGS)

89 ***"Even conceding, arguendo, the government might actually turn technology
against citizens it brands Political Outlaws at some point in the
future, are we to just give terrorists a free hand in the meanwhile?"***


As I have learned right here at this very AoSHQ, all this technology has done precisely squat to improve security against terrorism. All of the failed terror attacks in the US since 2001 have been the result of terrorist incompetence than enhanced intelligence.


Our entire government and history as a nationa is predicated upon mistrust of government power for well-documented, historical reasons. Current events only reinforce that philosophy.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (xSCb6)

90
"I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."
-- Abraham Lincoln

-
I'm still trying to figure out four score and seven.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (XUKZU)

91 So, any "Lincoln" quote that isn't clear, isn't.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (evdj2)

92 TSA misses 95 percent of the bombs that pass though security.....but find 4 ounces of shampoo....every fucking time......

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (uJK1E)

93
"A woman's bosoms is a gift from God."
-- Abraham Lincoln
Stuff Abraham Lincoln Never Said

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (7gCCJ)

94 I don't know. Some people seem less interested in protecting civil liberties than in protecting criminals from detection and prosecution. I suppose this is a reasonable thing to do if you imagine the government will declare you a criminal at some point in the future. A bit paranoid of a fear, but... not as paranoid a fear as it should be.
- Ace

Has not most,if not all, here been declared a potential terrorist by the DOJ?

Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (48QDY)

95 58
""I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."

-- Abraham Lincoln"


It means Islam sucks.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (fMQoG)

96 Because they are incompetent fools who
rather than looking at the Jihadis waltzing
right under their noses they are fapping to
the idea of catching the next Timothy
McVeigh.


By frisking nuns.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (et+T8)

97 My rule of thumb is that any bill with a cutesy acronym or a child's name on it is probably bad news.

Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (zoehZ)

98 Speaking of bumper stickers, I saw a funny take on "Coexist": instead of using the contradictory religious symbols, it used symbols associated with comic book heroes (e.g., Captain American's shield for the 'o').

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (FGst3)

99 " TSA misses 95 percent of the bombs that pass though security.....but find 4 ounces of shampoo....every fucking time......"


It's largely a put on for public consumption and a government jobs program.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (LA7Cm)

100
Are we are really suggesting Lincoln never said it?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (7gCCJ)

101 When I married her, Mary Todd had the ass of a 10 year old boy.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol I at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (evdj2)

102 73 I laughed at Imogene's Flowers. Imogene, what a name.
Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (2x3L+)

Hey!

Posted by: Imogene Heap at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (FGst3)

103 Has not most,if not all, here been declared a potential terrorist by the DOJ?
Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (48QDY)

DHS, I think, but yes we have. All those wacky people talking about "constitutional rights" and "the second amendment." You know, real radical subversive stuff.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (2Ojst)

104 Golfman,

Iraqi war vet. Multiple tours.

So yeah.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (OsWis)

105 Are we are really suggesting Lincoln never said it?

I'm saying it outright.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (evdj2)

106 Even conceding, arguendo, the government might actually turn technology against citizens it brands Political Outlaws at some point in the future, are we to just give terrorists a free hand in the meanwhile?

Again this argument is a perversion of the idea that we the people don't have to give reasons why the government can't do it.

It's incumbent upon the government to demonstrate a persuasive need.

We are at the point in our Republic where the government does whatever it wants. And the technocratic bureaucrat and pols become incensed that citizens complain that the citizens weren't consulted, don't want the programs, and demand proof that they are needed.

Further, that which is done by a government in secret will become corrupt and criminal. Always. 100%.

The only way we will know of corruption and crime committed under the color of these programs is if whistleblowers break laws, people like Snowden. You know, traitorous kill-im-now! Snowden.

Not even close to the concept of a just and responsible government.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (uctT+)

107 I thought the play was very good. What I got to see of it anyway.

- Shit Abraham Lincoln might've said -

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (zRby/)

108 C'mon, "Duke City Flowers"? It's so obviously a police cover!

Posted by: Badger at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (FGst3)

109 "When I married her, Mary Todd had the ass of a 10 year old boy."


Okay, he might have said that one.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:45 PM (LA7Cm)

110 Everyone knows that Abe was no catman. The real Abe would have used the word cattle.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (evdj2)

111 I invented 'motorboating' womens sweater puppies

Posted by: Brian Williams at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (D0Tns)

112
Has anyone ever seen bird genitalia? I thoutht you had to look at the feathers.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (iQIUe)

113 Okay, $1,280 a seat, but I won't go any lower.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (8ZskC)

114 Caller on a local radio said something to the effect "that at this point he'd rather fight the terrorists than his own government for his civil rights."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (LA7Cm)


When a terrorist shows up and monitors my email, or phone calls.... I'll start to worry.

When a Terrorist can control what I can do with my property.... or FORCE me to buy a commercial product... I'll get concerned...

When a Terrorist takes half my damn money, and gives it away to other people.... then I'll get really angry at them....

But I don't see Terrorists limiting my Freedom, or taking my shit.... I see the US Government doing it.

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (qh617)

115 "He talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded."
-Abraham Lincoln on George McClellan

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 05:46 PM (tgnRB)

116
Oh is this some hoax everyone knows about except for me? I never saw this quote before today.

Is there hijinx going on here??

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (7gCCJ)

117 >>>I suppose this is a reasonable thing to do if you imagine the government will declare you a criminal at some point in the future.

you climate change denying bastards will feel our wrath

Posted by: X at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (xGNLA)

118 Ace

On the last portion of your post--Ed Morissey has the posit that because they were seen flying over Ferguson and Baltimore that somehow that would not be related to terrorism.

Well do you remember those French articles you linked to awhile back ( I think maybe it was Le Monde) a terrorist group was trying to recruit people to blend with the protesters and to target the environment.

I can't remember what terrorist organization it was-- but it might have been that JV team we've been grossly underestimating ever since.

Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (RJMhd)

119 >>We are at the point in our Republic where the government does whatever
it wants. And the technocratic bureaucrat and pols become incensed that
citizens complain that the citizens weren't consulted, don't want the
programs, and demand proof that they are needed.


We have a government of Col. Jessups.

Posted by: Aviator at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (sQzB6)

120 I know people, personally, who've had men in black show up at their doorstep and threaten their family for the crime of being involved in the prolife movement. So, no, I don't concede that the Feds need any more surveillance power or that they are using the power they already have to keep us safe.

Posted by: Lauren at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (YBZmM)

121 "Has anyone ever seen bird genitalia? I thoutht you had to look at the feathers. "


No. Never even seen bird sex to my knowledge.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (LA7Cm)

122 Then Abe turned to me and said, "You know, Brian, sometimes a little lying is necessary to tell a larger truth."

- Brian Williams

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (XUKZU)

123 74


To what religion was Lincoln referring?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:41 PM (7gCCJ)

Whether attributable or not, "religion" probably refers generally to a system of beliefs, not to any particular organized or nameable religion. The Animal Liberation Front likes it, so probably fake and self-flagellating.

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (ecDRv)

124 Fuck Mitch McConnell and the GOP.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (8ZskC)

125 I laughed at Imogene's Flowers.
Imogene, what a name.
Posted by: L, Elle


Hey!
Posted by: Imogene Heap



What she said!
-Aunt Edna (aka Imogene Coco)

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (et+T8)

126 Pretty much all actual Lincoln quotes have a verifiable attribution. It's not like he lived in the dark ages.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (evdj2)

127 Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 02, 2015 05:43 PM (xSCb6)

That's what I was trying to say.

Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (48QDY)

128 Mary Todd Lincoln was a bitch. Poor Abe. His marriage was miserable

Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (2x3L+)

129 Once again it seems that the laws are not made to deter crime or catch criminals but to make the citizens fearful of authority's scrutiny.

Cops and other assorted supposed crime stoppers don't like pursuing criminals. The carry guns and shoot back.

They'd much prefer to beat up and shoot innocent civilians (at least innocent of violent crime) and kill their pets and steal their stuff.

Because the have a right to rip you off and go home just like the criminals do.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (zRby/)

130 Never even seen bird sex to my knowledge.

-
I'll bet ostrich sex would be funny.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (XUKZU)

131 I think it would be quite odd for Lincoln to have expressed a sentiment that would be consistent with the diary entries of a 14 year old girl circa 2015, no matter how lofty the language used.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (nFdGS)

132 Hands Up, Don't Sho ...

Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM (g1DWB)

133 Nothing wrong with Imogene Lloyd Webber.

Posted by: Garrett at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (/1eYH)

134 Am I the only one who thinks the Patriot Act was allowed to expire solely so Hillary! can run on the Democrats record of "ending" the Patriot Act?

Surely the "Patriot" Act wouldn't have been allowed to expire if they didn't have an equivalent replacement with an equally nefarious name and a guaranteed vote count.

Posted by: Lena Dunhams Uncircumcised Vulva at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (mKi9t)

135 Patriot Act == Treasonous Spy Empowerment

US Freedom Act == Enslavement and Control of Citizens Act.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger
--------------

Next, you will tell me that the Civil Rights Act is not about civil rights.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (F2IAQ)

136 No. Never even seen bird sex to my knowledge.

I saw ducks doing it once.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (0HooB)

137 She should've changed her name to Kaitlyn to be more consistent with the rest of the family. She hotter than Kim now.

Posted by: Kanye West-Jenner at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (F1Z8f)

138 Fly United

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (evdj2)

139 >>130 Never even seen bird sex to my knowledge.



Oh, it's a scene.

Posted by: Necro Rapey Mallard at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (/1eYH)

140 My senator, Mike Lee, has been pretty darned solid. He co-sponsored this bill.

Looking at the "no" votes, it's the Rand wing combined with the hawks.

I just have to trust Lee's judgment on this. Being on the "same side" of Obama is not a useful standard. After all, Reid and Obama were on opposite sides on the "fast track" bill.

Meanwhile, the Smithsonian channel is running their 9/11 documentary. I stumbled onto it just as they were describing (and showing) the 200 "jumpers" who fled the fires in the WTC.

It's useful to be reminded about how high the stakes are -- not in terms of preventing attacks but in terms of having leaders in place who can put country first and act decisively.

Posted by: Y-not at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (RWGcK)

141 I thought Civil Rights was about black people till I was about 35yo

Posted by: Just spit-balling here at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (D0Tns)

142 "97 My rule of thumb is that any bill with a cutesy acronym or a child's name on it is probably bad news.
"

You monster! How can you oppose healthy, hunger free kids?

Posted by: Lauren at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (YBZmM)

143 115: Threadwinner!


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (V70Uh)

144 Never even seen bird sex to my knowledge.

$2, same as in town.

Posted by: Canadian Goose at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (evdj2)

145 Damn it -- it might have been Le Figaro.

Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (RJMhd)

146 >>I saw ducks doing it once


We fuck in your poolz.

Posted by: Rapey Mallard at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (/1eYH)

147 Build a hobo a fire and he's warm for the night. Set a hobo on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.

Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (8ZskC)

148 No. Never even seen bird sex to my knowledge.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
-----

You haven't been paying attention, have you?

Posted by: The Chicken at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (F2IAQ)

149 101
When I married her, Mary Todd had the ass of a 10 year old boy.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol I at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (evdj2)

And titties that would make you stand up and beg for buttermilk.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol II at June 02, 2015 05:51 PM (ecDRv)

150 I've seen bird sex. Roosters are rapists. It's ugly

Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:52 PM (2x3L+)

151 A golfball through a garden hose - A. Lincoln

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:52 PM (evdj2)

152 Never even seen bird sex to my knowledge.


Find $20 and you can see it tonight.

Posted by: A Bird Pimp at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (8ZskC)

153 >>Mary Todd Lincoln was a bitch. Poor Abe. His marriage was miserable

True that, but if she had a seizure at the right moment it was a hell of a ride.

Posted by: A. Lincoln at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (sQzB6)

154 So, Obama will sign it, and Bitch doesn't like it!?!? What to do, what to do...

Posted by: Cock Sucking RINO at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (5buP8)

155 Has anyone ever seen bird genitalia?

You have to look under the feathers, and it is an official position with a title and duties and everything at hatcheries; 'sexer'. You have to look under the feathers at every baby chicken to see if it has an innie or an outie. The outies go in a 5gal pail, and some lucky, part time high school kid has to smush all the outie chicks.

No, I have never seen bird genitalia, I was the smusher, for minimum wage, for a few days. Possibility for advancement was very slight. You had to wait for someone to die before there was a job opening.

Posted by: Gerald Yltra at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (no/Fn)

156 We always did it doggie style cause Mary has a face that could curdle milk.

- shit Abe "Honestly I'm Honest" Lincoln -

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (zRby/)

157 Made up Lincoln quotes and bird sex.The horde is in fine form.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (mGBKM)

158 139 >>130 Never even seen bird sex to my knowledge.



Oh, it's a scene.

Posted by: Necro Rapey Mallard at June 02, 2015 05:50 PM (/1eYH)

That's dessspicable....

Posted by: Daffy Duck at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (qh617)

159 I might pay money to see these birds do it. 42.5 cm penis.

http://tinyurl.com/ylxnwhf

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (g1DWB)

160 This here is an Alabama Duck, Boy.
You got an Alabama Duck License?

Posted by: State Trooper at June 02, 2015 05:54 PM (/1eYH)

161 God help us because George Washington would kick our ass for what we've become.

Posted by: dogfish at June 02, 2015 05:54 PM (jWtyG)

162 I'll bet ostrich sex would be funny.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 02, 2015 05:48 PM


Big tourist attraction in North Carolina.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 02, 2015 05:54 PM (h4vJk)

163 If we just could revise the former German Democratic Republic (East Germany) Stasi we would be a lot safer I'm sure.

Posted by: Skip at June 02, 2015 05:55 PM (kLAQB)

164 I might pay money to see these birds do it. 42.5 cm penis.

http://tinyurl.com/ylxnwhf

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (g1DWB)

Shit! The metric system. Why didn't I think of that years ago?!

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 02, 2015 05:55 PM (nFdGS)

165 A rooster bites the hen first before he rapes her. Like Ted Bundy if he were a rooster. This is all true.

Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 05:55 PM (2x3L+)

166 Next time you eat Chicken McNuggets; each nugget was a male chick.

Chopped up, pureed and then molded, battered and fried.

Yum Yum

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:55 PM (zRby/)

167 Say, we don't get many ostriches in here.

Posted by: The Piano Player in a Whorehouse at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (8ZskC)

168
The Senate passed USA Freedom over McConnell's objections. He sought to formally pass the Patriot Act....




The USA Freedom Act!!! is the Patriot Act. It explicitly renews the Patriot Act thru the end of 2017, but modifies the nuances of the NSA data vacuum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act

Still bad, just not as absolutely bad as the Patriot Act. I hereby denounce myself for hating America and wanting the terrorists to win.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (kdS6q)

169 Two words: barbed penis

Posted by: female pussy at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (RWGcK)

170 97 My rule of thumb is that any bill with a cutesy acronym or a child's name on it is probably bad news.
Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2015 05:44 PM (zoehZ)


--I hate backronyms like PATRIOT Act.

Posted by: Badger at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (FGst3)

171 The people reporting on Mary Todd Lincoln were for the most part until recently male historians, and of course the "shrewish wife" is a long term concept. There seems to be some suggestion that she was bipolar, but we can't now assess her mental state, but yes, she was not an easy person to live with and the death of her son didn't help.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (9HoBs)

172 I say...I say, Now don't make me bite a bitch!

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (/1eYH)

173 "Perhaps a little..."

-- When asked if a dress made his wife's backside look big.

Posted by: Shit Lincoln Possibly Might Have Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (xsnUW)

174 USA Freedom Act. Who could possibly be against that?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (8ZskC)

175 As IBD said this morning: USA Freedom Act Isn't Perfect, But It's The Best We Got


Those are pretty close to my sentiments.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (GpgJl)

176 "It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: That bitch gonna wear you out!"

A. Lincoln, Address Before the Wisconsin State Agricultural Society, Milwaukee, Wisconsin (September 30, 1859)

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (evdj2)

177 Next, you will tell me that the Civil Rights Act is not about civil rights.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 02, 2015 05:49 PM (F2IAQ)

Not about yours, cracker!

Posted by: Unindicted Felon, Eric Holder at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (ecDRv)

178 It's not as interesting as you might think.

Posted by: Chicken-sexers Local 101 at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (F2IAQ)

179 "You haven't been paying attention, have you?"


I was thinking more bird on bird, but.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (LA7Cm)

180 And if it pisses off McDouch I am all for it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (GpgJl)

181 I saw Barbed Penis open for Hole at the first Lollapapooza.

Posted by: Garrett at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (/1eYH)

182
Say, we don't get many ostriches in here.
Posted by: The Piano Player in a Whorehouse




So the ostrich tells the guy, "help me find my car keys and I'll drive us out of here."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 05:58 PM (kdS6q)

183 "Chopped up, pureed and then molded, battered and fried.

Yum Yum"


They're delicious.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:58 PM (LA7Cm)

184 >>"This is a step in the wrong direction," a frustrated McConnell said on the Senate floor...

Then he pulled his head and other appendages into his shell and spun around.

Posted by: Aviator at June 02, 2015 05:58 PM (sQzB6)

185 Just go with the nice men in the white coats, Mary.

Posted by: Abe at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (F2IAQ)

186 At these prices, I can see why.

Posted by: The Ostrich at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (evdj2)

187 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 05:56 PM (9HoBs)

One look at her portrait and you know "this is an evil bitch".

but then Abe was probably a bird toucher or something.

Those farm boys had to find their own fun. If you know what I mean.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (zRby/)

188 I saw Barbed Penis open for Hole at the first Lollapapooza.


"For" or "the"?

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (et+T8)

189 I saw Barbed Penis open for Hole at the first Lollapapooza.


They sure screwed up the sequence on that bill.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (8ZskC)

190 Listen, the 9/11 commission was a white wash of the culpability of the federal governments role in allowing it to happen in the first place and to create the false impression that what was needed were more "tools" and a larger coordinating beuracracy to keep us safe.

WE DO NOT NEED A LARGER MORE POWERFUL GOVERNMENT TO KEEP US SAFE.

We never did.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (lPu4P)

191 The idea that Lincoln was gay was a fabrication of the gay rights activist, Larry Kramer.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (9HoBs)

192 Just go with the nice men in the white coats, Mary.



Just look at the flowers .......

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (et+T8)

193 Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

Posted by: A. Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (W5DcG)

194 "...and a chick with nice, long legs" as he turned to feed the ostrich.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (0HooB)

195 George Washington called out the army to kill people for not paying taxes on white lightning.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (8rRE+)

196 USA Freedom Act. Who could possibly be against that?
Posted by: Cicero


It's double plus good.

Posted by: dogfish at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (jWtyG)

197 Mary's the one who really shot me.

Booth was framed.

- shit Abe "I'm tall so fcuk y'all" Lincoln might've said -

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (zRby/)

198 >>>Listen, the 9/11 commission was a white wash of the culpability of the
federal governments role in allowing it to happen in the first place and
to create the false impression that what was needed were more "tools"
and a larger coordinating beuracracy to keep us safe.<<<



**eyes dart rapidly left and right**


**starts to whistle**


**runs out of room**

Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (xsnUW)

199 /Breaking Bad sock

116
Oh is this some hoax everyone knows about except for me? I never saw this quote before today.

Is there hijinx going on here??
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 05:47 PM (7gCCJ)

--Lincoln, Mark Twain and Winston Churchill are probably the three most misquoted people nowadays.

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (FGst3)

200 Didn't Elton John make a song called USA Freedom Act?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (8ZskC)

201 she was not an easy person to live with and the death of her son didn't help.

Sons.

Posted by: Cock Sucking RINO at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (5buP8)

202 Red Scare of 1919--is it really a scare when they are setting off bombs all over the country?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (iQIUe)

203

So the ostrich says, "pepper."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (kdS6q)

204 George Washington called out the army to kill people for not paying taxes on white lightning.
Posted by: Chris Balsz
-----------------

Whisky Rebellion?
Now there's a lost cause that merits a holiday.

Posted by: Abe at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (F2IAQ)

205 The idea that Lincoln was gay was a fabrication of the gay rights activist, Larry Kramer.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

They always try to claim historical figures to validate themselves, the latest being Churchill. Although provably gay or bi historical figures, like Ernst Rohm, they don't wanna claim for some reason.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (tgnRB)

206 Can you imagine something like that happening today??

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (iQIUe)

207
Watching eight-legged Chinese chicken sex might be kind of interesting.

Posted by: wth at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (wAQA5)

208 I think a lot of portraits of people in the period of early photography make them look mean. They had to hold themselves in positions for a long time. It does not make for a comfortable pose or facial expression.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (9HoBs)

209 171 She reportedly bawled out a female visitor for sitting down without asking permission.

So that's a clue.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (8rRE+)

210 Freedom Act? Sounds like a Washington City yankee government reconstruction measure. I'm again it.

Posted by: Eromero at June 02, 2015 06:02 PM (go5uR)

211 she was not an easy person to live with and the death of her son didn't help.

Sons.
Posted by: Cock Sucking RINO
-------------

Yeah, but Todd scored well with his dad's railroad interests.

Posted by: Abe at June 02, 2015 06:04 PM (F2IAQ)

212 Stupid question! I *always* come first.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 06:04 PM (evdj2)

213 I'd still vote for Mary Todd-Lincoln over Her Thighness Hilldawg I.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:04 PM (tgnRB)

214 Dammit The Chicken sock fail.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 06:04 PM (evdj2)

215 "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."

I read this as "I'd rather see kitten gifs than read about Huckabee"

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (8rRE+)

216 Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 05:53 PM (g1DWB)

What Rule 34?

Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (48QDY)

217 So, didn't Rand Paul just kind of cuckold Bitch right out in public? They should strip him of his leadership for that loss alone.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (5buP8)

218
Missing Penn track star, 20, found dead in the Hudson River after getting hooked on male genital pills

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (iQIUe)

219 Do eight-legged chickens have four vaginas?

Posted by: wth at June 02, 2015 06:05 PM (wAQA5)

220 They always try to claim historical figures to validate themselves, the latest being Churchill.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:01 PM (tgnRB)

--Churchill, a homo?

Now I think they're just having a laugh.

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 06:06 PM (FGst3)

221 after getting hooked on male genital pills

Is this a euphemism ?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 02, 2015 06:06 PM (evdj2)

222 They're all a bunch of wankers over there.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 02, 2015 06:07 PM (zRby/)

223 Missing Penn track star, 20, found dead in
the Hudson River after getting hooked on
male genital pills


Ate a medicine bottle of dicks?

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 06:07 PM (et+T8)

224 >>What Rule 34?

Dunno.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 02, 2015 06:07 PM (g1DWB)

225 "Go away, batin!"
- Lincoln's final words before being assassinated.

Posted by: wooga at June 02, 2015 06:08 PM (SOXWO)

226 I'd like to watch a cage match between Mary todd and Mooch. Right before the first punch, I'd lean over and whisper in MTodd's ear: "We have shut down your credit at all DC area stores." She'd win in the first round.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 02, 2015 06:08 PM (5buP8)

227 --Churchill, a homo?

Now I think they're just having a laugh.
Posted by: logprof

There was an ONT link a few nights ago. Some historian/butt secks enthusiast is making that claim.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:08 PM (tgnRB)

228 They always try to claim historical figures to validate themselves, the latest being Churchill.
------------

Episcopal Bishop John Spong: "The Apostle Paul was a frustrated homosexual."

Episcopal Bishop John Spong: "Why are people fleeing our church as though it is a stinking sinkhole of SJW's?"

Posted by: Abe at June 02, 2015 06:09 PM (F2IAQ)

229 Steve's Crop Dusting'
Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM


"Caitlyn will you marry me?"

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (+jijM)

230 @15:"'Steve's Crop Dusting'





Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.

Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed) at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (amQXf)

231 I just farted.

Posted by: Joe the Biden at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (FGst3)

232 "Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill."

-- While hunting vampires

Posted by: Shit Lincoln Said, Vol I (or maybe a line from Blade, but who can really tell) at June 02, 2015 06:11 PM (xsnUW)

233 "'Steve's Crop Dusting'


Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.
Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed)

Now you guys are making me paranoid about the Flowers By Isaac van parked outside my house.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:12 PM (tgnRB)

234 OT: Sailors are back at Subic Bay (thanks PLA!). The last time I was there, about 6 months after Pinatubo blew its top, Olongapo was but a shadow of its former sleazy self.

Wonder if we'll be back permanently at Cam Rahn Bay too.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 02, 2015 06:12 PM (jR7Wy)

235 This thing will get out of hand. It will get out of hand and we'll be lucky to live through it!

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:12 PM (evdj2)

236 230 @15:"'Steve's Crop Dusting'





Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.


Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed) at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (amQXf)


Nah....

Posted by: Flying Tigers Airlines at June 02, 2015 06:12 PM (qh617)

237 I'm Batman.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:13 PM (evdj2)

238 IMO ANY power the Government takes for itself, will eventually be abused

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=8IiPin53Ax8

Welcome back from the Barrel BB

Posted by: DaveA at June 02, 2015 06:13 PM (DL2i+)

239
I just farted.
Posted by: Joe the Biden
....................
My butt itches.

Posted by: Hillarrhoids at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (wAQA5)

240 What me worry?

Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (8ZskC)

241 I've done some crop dusting.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (mGBKM)

242 "Flowers By Isaac van...."

Shit.


*fires up van, hauls ass*

Posted by: Agent driving the Flowers by Issac van at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (LA7Cm)

243
"Never tip a whore."
-- Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (7gCCJ)

244 236 230 @15:"'Steve's Crop Dusting'





Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.

Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed) at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (amQXf)

Nah....
Posted by: Flying Tigers Airlines
-------------

Amateurs

Posted by: Air America at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (F2IAQ)

245 191 The idea that Lincoln was gay was a fabrication of the gay rights activist, Larry Kramer.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 05:59 PM (9HoBs)

Obligatory:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNFokmDKrE

Posted by: Insomniac at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (2Ojst)

246 With this Congress any bill w/Freedom in the title can be counted on to limit it.

Posted by: bill-o at June 02, 2015 06:15 PM (nE/OV)

247 There's no U in Emancipation Proclamation.

Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:15 PM (8ZskC)

248 Are the Flowers by Imogene for Algernon?

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 06:15 PM (FGst3)

249 Sure, I split rails, and by rails, I mean pussy.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:15 PM (evdj2)

250 "I've done some crop dusting."

This ain't like dusting crops, boy.

Posted by: Han "Abe Lincoln" Solo at June 02, 2015 06:16 PM (LA7Cm)

251 'Tis better to take off and nuke the station from aloft the heavens.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:16 PM (ecDRv)

252 That AP reporter would go absolutely apeshit if he hung around my house. I get everything from AH-64 Apache Longbows with full Hellfire loads to a Boeing B-17 flying over my house all the time. And maybe that explains why that Grumman Albatross seaplane that was doing touch and gos on the lake recently had "Joe's Bakery" painted on the side (just kidding.... FBI, is there nothing they can't do?

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at June 02, 2015 06:17 PM (yTMXB)

253 The Carl Sandburg biography is the worst thing to happen to Lincoln since John Wilkes Booth.

Posted by: A book critic at June 02, 2015 06:17 PM (F2IAQ)

254 I like money.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:17 PM (evdj2)

255 Okay found it.

Le Figaro was reporting that security heightened at US media locations.

minx.cc:1080/?post=352434

That's the thread.

At comment 166 there was a yahoo news link to a Las Vegas news source that linked to "vocative " which was reporting that ISIS was trying to recruit and take advantage of "angry blacks" at , and around Ferguson .
The title of these terrorist boards was --"Pipe Bomb America".

So Baltimore and Ferguson fall very much under those parameters. As does Anaheim--Disney Land, and the Mall of America.

Don't blame Ed for not making the connection however--because it's not getting reported.

Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:18 PM (RJMhd)

256 Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer.

Posted by: Arnold Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:18 PM (wAQA5)

257 If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North.

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:18 PM (FGst3)

258 The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single airline ticket.

Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (8ZskC)

259 Good fences make good neighbors.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (evdj2)

260 244 236 230 @15:"'Steve's Crop Dusting'





Posted by: FBI Plane Signage at June 02, 2015 05:30 PM (/1eYH"
Pfft...you guys are still amateurs. We're the masters of being all clandestine 'n shit.

Posted by: Challenge International Airlines (Yep, we really existed) at June 02, 2015 06:10 PM (amQXf)

Nah....
Posted by: Flying Tigers Airlines
-------------

Amateurs

Posted by: Air America at June 02, 2015 06:14 PM (F2IAQ)


Go get me some scotch.... trash haulers...

Posted by: Pappy Boyington flying for the AVG at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (qh617)

261
"Winter is coming."

A. Lincoln

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (7gCCJ)

262
TFG's gonna sign it? It can't be good, then.

you wonder why the republicans signed off on that ridiculous compromise on obama's iran deal? fast track on the trade deal and this thats why.obama was ready to sign off on extending the bulk data collection too don't forget

Posted by: flawless male logic at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (lKyWE)

263 Pull my finger.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (evdj2)

264 It's simple, if it jiggles, it's fat.

Posted by: Arnold Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:20 PM (wAQA5)

265 If music be the food of love, then I'll have the tuna.

Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:20 PM (8ZskC)

266 "During Monday night's Astros-Orioles game at Minute Maid park, a fan reached for a foul ball, and in doing so revealed a concealed firearm tucked into his waistband. Hoping this guy at Minute Maid is some kind of undercover cop or something."

Oh noes not a scary gun!

And yes, he actually was an out of uniform cop, but that doesn't stop the libs for handwringing about a gun in a gun free zone.

Posted by: Lauren at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (YBZmM)

267 Nobody look at us. We are just Chinese-American aviation enthusiasts.

Posted by: Wa Ching Yu, LLC at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (amQXf)

268
"Liquor in the front; liquor in the rear."
- Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln's Second Inaugural Celebration

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (7gCCJ)

269 John Shelby Spong is a disgrace to the Christian clergy. He believes nothing that could be considered as orthodox Christianity. He should sign up to be a UU.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (9HoBs)

270 I like big butts, and I cannot lie.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:21 PM (ecDRv)

271 Owwwww...my head.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol III at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (YFFpo)

272 I'm just going to go with my default position on ANY bill trotted out by our "betters".

Just naturally assume that it is the exact opposite of that whatever they call it.

Fuckin lying pricks.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (VNgld)

273 This act is great! FREEEEEEDOM!!!

Posted by: Mel Gibson at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (F1Z8f)

274 Whosoever announced the detection of a flatulation, shall be the man responsible for producing it.

Posted by: Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (FGst3)

275 Freedom Fries!

Posted by: Mel Gibson at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (F1Z8f)

276 If you don't think ISIS would love to Mumbai those above targets, you could be living in fantasy land and if you think they have been underestimated by this administration on that you would be correct.

You're going to want those cell phones jammed--and some of the other capabilities that can be used over those areas.

Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (RJMhd)

277 As a young man, I climb the Alps barefoot.

Posted by: Arnold Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:22 PM (wAQA5)

278 So take a good look at my face
You'll see my smile looks out of place
If you look closer, it's easy to trace
The tracks of my tears

Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:23 PM (8ZskC)

279 Nobody look at us. We are just Chinese-American aviation enthusiasts.
Posted by: Wa Ching Yu, LLC

How did they get wise to us?

Posted by: Wi Tu Lo at June 02, 2015 06:23 PM (tgnRB)

280
handwringing about a gun in a gun free zone.


since when is foul territory gun free? its not left field after all

Posted by: flawless male logic at June 02, 2015 06:23 PM (lKyWE)

281 Clinton was the second black president. I was the first.

Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:24 PM (F1Z8f)

282 @20: "Now the question is; are those FBI Spy Planes armed?"

No. No chance. Nope. Not at all. Well, maybe. But nothing is actually *mounted* on the planes. Probably not.

Posted by: "Waco" Jim Cavanaugh, FBI at June 02, 2015 06:24 PM (amQXf)

283 Spong's real religion is of course, Social justice, with a little dab of Jesus slapped on. The idea that Paul was gay comes out of Spong's fevered imagination.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:24 PM (9HoBs)

284 Posted by: flawless male logic at June 02, 2015 06:19 PM (lKyWE)

You don't get it...

A Federal Judge, after YEARS of litigation, was finally about to put a stop to the program.

Now??? My guess is they continue to do it under some interpretation of the NEW Law.... which means it will take at least a couple more years to get some Judge to stop it again.....

Not saying I am cynical about Washington.... but...

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (qh617)

285
god must love assholes because he made so many of them

Posted by: stuff lincoln sort of said at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (lKyWE)

286 Rule 34 bing images
http://tinyurl.com/oc3uzrc

Posted by: DaveA at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (DL2i+)

287 Quite frankly I think Wal Mart violates more your privacy than those flights would--not only when you are squeezing their peaches but also in the dressing room.

Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)

288 Looking through real Lincoln quotes, many are very powerful.
http://tinyurl.com/46eak55

Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.
Abraham Lincoln

---------
At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
Abraham Lincoln


Posted by: A book critic at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (F2IAQ)

289 Slavery is bad, but reggae is worse.

Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (8ZskC)

290 "Good fences make good neighbors."

Does that include razor wire? I actually like the neighborhood kids.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:26 PM (+jijM)

291 The government has little interest in intercepting terrorists with these fucking programs. Their interest lies with fucking with the lives of citizens who think less government is better than the massive, galactic, pile of shit we are dealing with now.

Posted by: maddogg at June 02, 2015 06:26 PM (xWW96)

292
bb wolf

i'm not sure what you mean

Posted by: flawless male logic at June 02, 2015 06:27 PM (lKyWE)

293
Now this is the plan: get your ass to Mars!

Posted by: Arnold Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:27 PM (wAQA5)

294 At what point then is the approach of danger to be
expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us.
It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves
be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live
through all time, or die by suicide.

Abraham Lincoln







Posted by: A book critic at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (F2IAQ)

Said the guy who was sprung upon.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:27 PM (ecDRv)

295 Lets face it we're all still f**ked...

Posted by: donna at June 02, 2015 06:28 PM (Bn6aD)

296 Yes, yes, this is all good and well, but will they at least have to ask "Mother, may I?" before seeing the p0rn I'm downloading?

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at June 02, 2015 06:29 PM (2mJMN)

297 @44: ""I think it's a male plane!"



Yeah, but I don't see any balls.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 02, 2015 05:36 PM (LA7Cm)

Of course not - it's a Curtiss JN-4 Jenner

Posted by: Gonna need to know your planes to get that one at June 02, 2015 06:29 PM (amQXf)

298 287 Quite frankly I think Wal Mart violates more your privacy than those flights would--not only when you are squeezing their peaches but also in the dressing room.

Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)

Can WalMart sick armed Men on you? Can WalMart throw you in Jail? Can WalMart take your Property? Can WalMart take your Right to bear Arms?

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:30 PM (qh617)

299 Sic semper anus!

Posted by: a different book critic at June 02, 2015 06:30 PM (kivUY)

300 174 USA Freedom Act. Who could possibly be against that?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 02, 2015 05:57 PM (8ZskC)


I like "Liberty Tax Service". Because the federal income tax is all about liberty.

Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2015 06:31 PM (sdi6R)

301 Enjoying the Gilligan's Island re-runs on TV Land.

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 06:31 PM (FGst3)

302
No one has to go to Wal Mart.

Tell me, how do we avoid obama's govt?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:31 PM (7gCCJ)

303 "it's a Curtiss JN-4 Jenner"


Nicknamed the "Jenny"

Posted by: See, I do know my planes at June 02, 2015 06:31 PM (LA7Cm)

304 "Quite frankly I think Wal Mart violates more your privacy than those flights would..."

True story - the WalMart parking lot camera identified the yoots who stole my wife's purse. But not before we cancelled all our credit cards and checing account.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:32 PM (+jijM)

305 "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."

Posted by: Myiq2xu at June 02, 2015 06:32 PM (5fSr7)

306 @278: "So take a good look at my face

You'll see my smile looks out of place

If you look closer, it's easy to trace

The tracks of my tears

Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Probably Said, Or At Least Thought, Vol. 3 at June 02, 2015 06:23 PM (8ZskC)


So take a good look at my brainIt seems to be under some strainIf you probe deeper, it's easy to traceThe track of Booth's ball.

Posted by: What Lincoln actually said at June 02, 2015 06:33 PM (amQXf)

307 "Sic semper anus!"


Death to anus.....?

Posted by: Understand the latin, not the phrase at June 02, 2015 06:33 PM (LA7Cm)

308 Want to see my log?

Posted by: zombie abraham lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:33 PM (kivUY)

309 off topic but thought I'd mention it, from wealsz:

You may have heard Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) isn't running for president. We have some news for you - as of today, she's still not running. And her most vocal supporters are finally ready to stop asking.

Run Warren Run, a draft Warren organization run by Democracy for America and MoveOn.org, has spent the last six months calling on the Massachusetts senator to make a White House bid. On Monday, the group will officially throw in the towel after delivering a petition containing 365,000 signatures to Warren's office on Capitol Hill, the group announced Tuesday.

Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 06:34 PM (qSIlh)

310 weaselzippers also has a really good close-up of Hillary!, in case you drank to much and need to quickly empty your stomach, or what's left of it.

Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 06:35 PM (qSIlh)

311 "Sic semper anus!"

I am always butthurt.

Posted by: A. Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:35 PM (W5DcG)

312 You're never going to believe this: Obama lavishes himself with praise for insisting on changes to the Patriot Act, and making it happen:

http://tinyurl.com/oxfu44h

Ok... so maybe you will believe that this asshole is capable of anything.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 02, 2015 06:35 PM (BZAd3)

313 195 George Washington called out the army to kill people for not paying taxes on white lightning.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 02, 2015 06:00 PM (8rRE+)


There were no income taxes. The Feds had a huge debt from the civil war with Brits.

The direct taxes were to be 'apportioned' to the states the wiskey tax was not directly apportioned.

Posted by: Free the nipples San Diego State University at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (wkuqO)

314 It's possible that Clinton will be taken out and Warren will be set up as the savior woman of the Democrat party.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (9HoBs)

315 Fenelonspoke:

I think a lot of portraits of people in the period of early photography make them look mean. They had to hold themselves in positions for a long time. It does not make for a comfortable pose or facial expression.

No, I'm sorry, that's a misconception. People really were assholes in those days.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (8uhgy)

316 Bishop Spong! sounds like a character in a Monty Python sketch.

Posted by: rickl at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (sdi6R)

317 Thus always to anus, Yankee!

Posted by: zombie john wilkes boothe at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (kivUY)

318 New CNN Contributor, Former Obama Advisor Starts Off Well Doesnt Get That Hillary Clinton Has Already Announced

Continuing that great CNN journalistic tradition

Weasel Zippers

G-D one is stupider than the next and they actually beat us? Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (/tNwW)

319 So Hollyweird is remaking Big Trouble in Little China, but D.C. may be remaking Blue Thunder?

Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 02, 2015 06:37 PM (Brjj7)

320 @67: "Any religion that allows animal cruelty (perceived or real) is not worthy of the bumper sticker applier."

You do realize that I personally whacked out just about every single person and animal other than a single ark-load, right?

Posted by: Yahweh/Jehovah at June 02, 2015 06:37 PM (amQXf)

321 It's possible that Clinton will be taken out and Warren will be set up as the savior woman of the Democrat party.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:36 PM (9HoBs)

Ya mean how RFK tried to jump over Eugene Mccarthy? It's the Democratic way

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:37 PM (/tNwW)

322 "Run Warren run."

You could break a leg tripping over a tree root doing that.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:38 PM (+jijM)

323 He who hath initially smelt it....is he who has invariably dealt it.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:38 PM (JoIcn)

324 304 bergerbilder

Holy cripes WalMart might have even better security than I thought.

Sorry that happened to your wife.

Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:39 PM (RJMhd)

325 HeadOn! Apply directly to the forehead!

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:39 PM (JoIcn)

326 An ad on the news: two lesbian deaf women are adopting an Hispanic kid, also deaf. The ad is for Wells Fargo, though for he life of me I don't get the two deaf mommies connection.

Bizarre world.

Posted by: MTF at June 02, 2015 06:40 PM (DkJ4E)

327 323 He who hath initially smelt it....is he who has invariably dealt it.
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:38 PM (JoIcn)

Copycat!

Posted by: Comment #274 at June 02, 2015 06:40 PM (FGst3)

328 Posted by: Yahweh/Jehovah at June 02, 2015 06:37 PM (amQXf)

Oh, groovy; Is it time for the Atheist/Theist slugfest?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 02, 2015 06:40 PM (9HoBs)

329
If you want a guarantee, buy a toaster.

Posted by: Clint Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:40 PM (wAQA5)

330 Anyone got a link to what they actually passed???

Because we all know the Devil is in the details....

Because it sounds like companies have to store this information FOR the Government.... does the Government then have a portal into their databases??

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (qh617)

331 two lesbian deaf women are adopting an Hispanic kid, also deaf.
Posted by: MTF

This should be good. What's the punchline?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (tgnRB)

332 Soothsayer I was only making my comments in reference to the flights.

Nothing else.

Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (RJMhd)

333 I'm more of a Jew than that Lincoln guy.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (W5DcG)

334 re 321: I've thought of that. If Hillary! implodes, someone will need to take her place. In all honesty, I think that if that happens, the Dems best bet is to go with someone like Joe Manchin. Former Gov of W Va and easily passed off as a moderate. (Regularly appears on FOX news, so that's proof that he's not a wild eyed radical.) Probably ain't gonna happen, probably too much like Joe Lieberman for the half-crazy Dem base.

Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 06:42 PM (qSIlh)

335 "I think a lot of portraits of people in the period of early photography make them look mean. "

A lot of those people were actually dead. There was a fad to get pictures of recently deceased loved ones in a "lifelike" pose.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:42 PM (+jijM)

336 I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.

Posted by: Clint Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:43 PM (wAQA5)

337 Douglas wants to put y'all back in chains!

Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:43 PM (F1Z8f)

338 Welcome to the festivities, chum!

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:44 PM (ecDRv)

339 @107: "I thought the play was very good. What I got to see of it anyway.

- Shit Abraham Lincoln might've said -"

"'Our American Cousin' is a laugh riot. They just killed last night!"


Posted by: The Theatre Review, April 15, 1865 at June 02, 2015 06:44 PM (amQXf)

340
Ever see really old wedding photos?

No one is smiling.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (7gCCJ)

341 I'm here to kick ass & chew bubble gum.....and I'm all out of bubble gum.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (JoIcn)

342 331 This should be good. What's the punchline?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (tgnRB)
=======================

Us, I think.

Posted by: MTF at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (DkJ4E)

343
And why should you smile for a photo? Do you normally walk around looking like a grinning idiot?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (7gCCJ)

344 If only I'd known about Al Sharpton... I'm sorry, people.

Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:46 PM (F1Z8f)

345 Because it sounds like companies have to store this information FOR the Government.... does the Government then have a portal into their databases??
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (qh617)


What exactly are yu worked about?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:46 PM (/tNwW)

346
...and that's when the fight started

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:47 PM (7gCCJ)

347 343


And why should you smile for a photo? Do you normally walk around looking like a grinning idiot?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:45 PM (7gCCJ)

I dunno why, but lol.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:47 PM (ecDRv)

348 Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

Posted by: HAL Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:47 PM (wAQA5)

349 "He who hath initially smelt it....is he who has invariably dealt it.
Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:38 PM (JoIcn)


Only after it has been passed.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:48 PM (+jijM)

350 Meanwhile, the AP is reporting the FBI is running surveillance flights from "front companies," though this seems to be ginned up nonsense to me.

Word.

Posted by: Ace Tomato Co. at June 02, 2015 06:49 PM (7YlUk)

351
btw, correction to post title: obama's Senate Passes...

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 02, 2015 06:49 PM (7gCCJ)

352 Pass the duchy on the left-hand side.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said Vol II at June 02, 2015 06:49 PM (JoIcn)

353 usaama Rahim's last words, on the phone with his father.

"I caint spel"

Posted by: seamrog at June 02, 2015 06:49 PM (xTyfL)

354 @136: "I saw ducks doing it once."

And I'll bet you were mightily impressed, too.

Posted by: Argentine Lake Duck, proud sporter of a punishing corkscrew dong at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (amQXf)

355 I wish "Linkin Park" would correct their spelling error.

Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (F1Z8f)

356 So he was able to text while trying to breathe?

Ook.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (OsWis)

357
No one is smiling.


bad teeth

Posted by: flawless male logic at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (lKyWE)

358 They should have just called it the bend over here it comes again act.
Now, if you'll excuse me I've got to buy another gross of disposable phones.

Posted by: the guy who never bends over at June 02, 2015 06:50 PM (xQX/f)

359 I wish "Linkin Park" would correct their spelling error.



Likin Park. Better?

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 06:51 PM (et+T8)

360 What exactly are yu worked about?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:46 PM (/tNwW)


There were way too many votes for this thing from people who WANT to keep the program active...

Who want the NSA to continue to have the capability of getting all this info easily...

I'm wondering at the details...

Because I have a feeling this is like when Congress stopped themselves from insider trading with great fanfare... and then quietly reneged on that just a couple of weeks later...

Smoke... mirrors.... some assembly required....

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:51 PM (qh617)

361 Because we all know the Devil is in the details.

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (qh617)

Hell. They don't know.

Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 06:52 PM (48QDY)

362 @155: "I was the smusher, for minimum wage, for a few days. Possibility for
advancement was very slight. You had to wait for someone to die before
there was a job opening."

Oh, poor you.

Posted by: The birds in the bucket at June 02, 2015 06:52 PM (amQXf)

363 It wasn't until the 1950's that someone thought of the word 'cheese'.

Posted by: A Photographer at June 02, 2015 06:53 PM (F2IAQ)

364 We need to give emancipated slaves space to destroy.

Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:53 PM (F1Z8f)

365 >>And why should you smile for a photo? Do you normally walk around looking like a grinning idiot?

Posted by: Soothsayer

Why yes I do!

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 02, 2015 06:53 PM (sQzB6)

366 >> It wasn't until the 1950's that someone thought of the word 'cheese'.


and another 20 before the first 'Money Shot'.

Posted by: KEN! at June 02, 2015 06:54 PM (/1eYH)

367 Say my name!

Posted by: Walter Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:54 PM (FGst3)

368 There were way too many votes for this thing from people who WANT to keep the program active...

Who want the NSA to continue to have the capability of getting all this info easily...

I'm wondering at the details...

Because I have a feeling this is like when Congress stopped themselves from insider trading with great fanfare... and then quietly reneged on that just a couple of weeks later...

Smoke... mirrors.... some assembly required....
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:51 PM (qh617)

???
You do know that Gov Agencies and even local police could always get your telephone records with a Court Order?

And they are not taping your phone calls, just keeping track of what numbers you called? Again nothing they have not been doing for ever?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:54 PM (/tNwW)

369 I live near Akron, OH. We frequently see this giant blimp floating around. It says GOODYEAR on the side. Goodyear doesn't make blimps any more. I'm highly suspicious.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 02, 2015 06:54 PM (+jijM)

370 "never bring a knife to a gun fight"

usaama's maama

( well, she maay haave.)

Posted by: seamrog at June 02, 2015 06:55 PM (xTyfL)

371 I wish Mr. Booth had given me a trigger warning.

Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 06:55 PM (F1Z8f)

372 It wasn't until the 1950's that someone thought of the word 'cheese'.
Posted by: A Photographer
----------------

Dammit. Born a century too soon.

Posted by: Matthew Brady at June 02, 2015 06:55 PM (F2IAQ)

373 I knew those Chinese were onto something, only buying castrated slaves...

Posted by: shit Lincoln might have thought at June 02, 2015 06:55 PM (wAQA5)

374 @190: "Listen, the 9/11 commission was a white wash of the culpability of the
federal governments role in allowing it to happen in the first place and
to create the false impression that what was needed were more "tools"
and a larger coordinating beuracracy to keep us safe."

And in limiting the lawsuits against us - that was important too. We dodged a bullet there.... without the Commission, 9/11 could have been a real disaster!

Posted by: The airline industry at June 02, 2015 06:56 PM (amQXf)

375 It wasn't until the 1950's that someone thought of the word 'cheese'.
Posted by: A Photographer

Ya know that does not mean what yu think it means. They used to say "Cut the mustard"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:56 PM (/tNwW)

376

The international community does not believe that Israel is serious about a two-state solution, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has placed so many conditions to its establishment that it is unrealistic to think it could come into existence in the near future, US President Barack Obama said Tuesday.

What a fuckin asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (/tNwW)

377 I don't always go about infringing individual liberties. But when I do, I prefer infringing on those icky cousin-humpin rayciss southerners who talk funny.

Posted by: Stuff Lincoln Said, Vol IV at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (ecDRv)

378 So what.Get a court order. Show the judge some scintilla of evidence. Lazy fucks wanna spend the day surfing porn instead of doing any work.Fuck them and the apologists.

Posted by: the guy who never bends over at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (xQX/f)

379 Because it sounds like companies have to store this information FOR the Government.... does the Government then have a portal into their databases??
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 06:41 PM (qh617)

5 All this is hoop-la.

They'll just go to the cell phones companies and MAKE THEM comply.

Then in order to get service, you'll have to make agreements with the third party.
Posted by: golfman at May 20, 2015 09:38 AM (fQAkR)

Posted by: Golfman at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (48QDY)

380 SpongeBob Obama is again pulling an opposite day saying the US has never been more respected in the world than it is today. Errr, sure.

Posted by: keena at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (a6MVK)

381 If any of this shit was even remotely connected to any successful thwarting of a terrorist attack we would not be hearing the end of it. And yet not a peep. And they're not actually interested in doing what could actually. Stop a terrorist attack. All that meta data collection didn't stop the Boston bombing. It didn't stop the attempted attack on Pam Gellers event. So what good are they? That they might stop a future attack? Bull shit.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (z/Ubi)

382 I'm all ginned up...*hic*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (Dwehj)

383 >>Ever see really old wedding photos?

No one is smiling



So?
It's a wedding, not a funeral.

Posted by: Garrett at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (/1eYH)

384 I feel like such a mainsplaining microaggressive bigot. How can I do penance? I am white cis-het-male garbage!

Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:00 PM (F1Z8f)

385 So what.Get a court order. Show the judge some scintilla of evidence. Lazy fucks wanna spend the day surfing porn instead of doing any work.Fuck them and the apologists.
Posted by: the guy who never bends over at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (xQX/f)

???

They were trying to track the types and numbers of calls to specific numbers both here and over seas to try and track a pattern and connect the dots. How do you get a court order to track something you are not sure exists without first tracking it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:00 PM (/tNwW)

386 From the Times article about Russian trolls.

harass a critical journalist on Twitter, or a right-wing agitator in the United States might smear demonstrations against police brutality by posing as a thieving, violent protester.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2015 07:01 PM (mGBKM)

387 Fucking NY Times.

Posted by: steevy at June 02, 2015 07:01 PM (mGBKM)

388 I always get Andrew Johnson and Andrew Jackson mixed up.

Posted by: Shinzo Abe Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (F1Z8f)

389 So? It's a wedding, not a funeral.



Only difference between a wedding and a funeral, is the side of the aisle you sit on.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (et+T8)

390 If any of this shit was even remotely connected to any successful thwarting of a terrorist attack we would not be hearing the end of it. And yet not a peep. And they're not actually interested in doing what could actually. Stop a terrorist attack. All that meta data collection didn't stop the Boston bombing. It didn't stop the attempted attack on Pam Gellers event. So what good are they? That they might stop a future attack? Bull shit.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (z/Ubi)

You are confusing the meta tracking to detect a more organized terror network and lone wolf attacks. Which makes me think you don't fully understand what the purpose of the meta tracking was for.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (/tNwW)

391 If any of this shit was even remotely connected to any successful thwarting of a terrorist attack we would not be hearing the end of it. And yet not a peep. And they're not actually interested in doing what could actually. Stop a terrorist attack. All that meta data collection didn't stop the Boston bombing. It didn't stop the attempted attack on Pam Gellers event. So what good are they? That they might stop a future attack? Bull shit.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 06:59 PM (z/Ubi)

You are confusing the meta tracking to detect a more organized terror network and lone wolf attacks. Which makes me think you don't fully understand what the purpose of the meta tracking was for.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (/tNwW)

392 "a right-wing agitator in the United States might smear demonstrations
against police brutality by posing as a thieving, violent protester"


Hey, look. We're just trying to do the jobs that thieving, violent protesters won't do.

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:03 PM (ecDRv)

393 383. It's a wedding, not a funeral

And Garrett wins the internets!!!!

Posted by: navypopojojo at June 02, 2015 07:03 PM (Ixsz4)

394 I'm also just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to love her.

Posted by: Caitlyn Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:03 PM (wAQA5)

395 My meta data became minus data.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at June 02, 2015 07:04 PM (Dwehj)

396 re 331: you want the punchline? noticed this today, email from our stupid Sen Gillibrand (Idiot - NY):

With more than 102,000 children across our country waiting for a permanent home, the last thing we should be doing is preventing loving, caring and responsible parents from welcoming them into their families.

Yet there are still too many states in this country without protections, or worse yet, with discriminatory laws, preventing LGBT parents from adopting or fostering those children and giving them the happy, stable home they've always deserved, but never known.

That's why I reintroduced the Every Child Deserves a Family Act - to protect LGBT parents looking to adopt or foster and help secure safe and loving homes for our nation's children. Now my colleagues and I are urging Congress to pass this legislation immediately for every child waiting for a home. Will you join us and add your name now?

-

I wish I could find stats, but I recall reading that there are often more people looking to adopt babies or children up for adoption. Any anyway, why should this be a matter for federal law?

Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 07:05 PM (qSIlh)

397 376

The international community does not believe that Israel is serious about a two-state solution, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has placed so many conditions to its establishment that it is unrealistic to think it could come into existence in the near future, US President Barack Obama said Tuesday.

What a fuckin asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:58 PM (/tNwW)



The first condition that Israel has that is a definite deal breaker to the two-state solution: Israel gets to exist.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 07:05 PM (z/Ubi)

398 You are confusing the meta tracking to detect a more
organized terror network and lone wolf attacks. Which makes me think
you don't fully understand what the purpose of the meta tracking was
for.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (/tNwW)

And has the meta-tracking, in which the bulk of law-abiding citizens data is swept in it proven fruitful. It's not like there is anything to hide. The tactics are already out there. If there was some useful fact or information that would prove that tactic useful, you think they would have proved their case by now.

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (ecDRv)

399 You are confusing the meta tracking to detect a more organized terror network and lone wolf attacks. Which makes me think you don't fully understand what the purpose of the meta tracking was for.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:02 PM (/tNwW)

--I'm not convinced Nidal Hassan was a completely lone wolf. Plus, he was in plain sight and the FBI and Army idiots still had their dicks in their hands.

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (FGst3)

400 I hate to disappoint you, but rubber lips are immune to your charms.

Posted by: Caitlyn Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (wAQA5)

401 All I can say is that sometimes the server gets hungry and has to be fed.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at June 02, 2015 07:07 PM (Dwehj)

402 re 392: you got us, it was a right wing agent provocateur who torched that CVS in Baltimore. Caught again! (We were also the ones who smeared crap all over the protesters in Zucchini Park in downtown NYC a couple of years ago.)

Posted by: mallfly at June 02, 2015 07:07 PM (qSIlh)

403 You know what government agency operates without court otders? The fing IRS.
Just because you've never had them clean out your corporate checking account means it will never happen.

I have experience in such matters.
It does happen.
Grow up.

Posted by: the guy who never bends over at June 02, 2015 07:08 PM (xQX/f)

404 Any anyway, why should this be a matter for federal law?

Everything should be a matter for federal law.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 02, 2015 07:08 PM (W5DcG)

405 --Nidal Hassan . . . . was in plain sight and the FBI and Army idiots
still had their dicks in their hands.

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (FGst3)

As were the Tsarnaevs and the Dallas idiots.

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:08 PM (ecDRv)

406 And has the meta-tracking, in which the bulk of law-abiding citizens data is swept in it proven fruitful. It's not like there is anything to hide. The tactics are already out there. If there was some useful fact or information that would prove that tactic useful, you think they would have proved their case by now.
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (ecDRv)

I would hope they would not tell us what they have done and what they have prevented. IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE A SECRET. To many people have forgot that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:09 PM (/tNwW)

407 If you haven't purged yet, let me help you out:

Obama complains that democracy is terribly unfair...

http://tinyurl.com/orzqqfm

compares himself to George Washington.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 02, 2015 07:09 PM (BZAd3)

408 I wish I could find stats, but I recall reading that there are often more people looking to adopt babies or children up for adoption. Any anyway, why should this be a matter for federal law?
Posted by: mallfly

That "thousands of children waiting to be adopted" bit is utter bullshit. The waiting list to adopt a special needs baby is a mile long. Mentally and physically healthy babies are adopted before the doctor can even slap them on the ass.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at June 02, 2015 07:09 PM (tgnRB)

409 Nidal Hassan . . . . was in plain sight and the FBI and Army idiots
still had their dicks in their hands.

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:06 PM (FGst3)


Th point is the did have the info. It was because of PC crap that they did not act on it, NOT because the surveillance failed to turn up evidence.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (/tNwW)

410 359 I wish "Linkin Park" would correct their spelling error.

Likin Park. Better?
==========================

Lickin' Park?

Like on Roosevelt Island.

Posted by: Huma and Hillary Abedin at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (DkJ4E)

411 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 06:54 PM (/tNwW)

With a Court Order they have to show probable Cause....

Intelligence agencies do not work that way.

We have, IMO, merged our Police, Spies, and Military, into one big conglomeration... and no longer have effective control over them... because if the Rules of one prohibit an action, they just move it to another entity of the conglomeration...

Thus, if it would be an illegal Military Target to assassinate a Civilian in a Neutral Country? Hell, just have the CIA Drone do it...

If the Police can't track someone because of a lack of probable cause, or no justification for a warrant? hell, just says its terrorism, or even Environmentally related... and we'll just bypass those pesky rules...

The Division of Powers and Authorities of our Government were put in place for very good reasons.... so we could know what the hell our Government was doing...

Now, IMO, that is gone... with the quiet approval of BOTH parties...

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (qh617)

412
So what I'm trying to say is, that if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!

Posted by: Caitlyn Lincoln at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (wAQA5)

413 That asshole is demented.

Posted by: Guy who thinks he Napoleon at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (OsWis)

414 I would hope they would not tell us what they have
done and what they have prevented. IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE A SECRET. To many
people have forgot that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:09 PM (/tNwW)

What could go wrong?

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (ecDRv)

415 Shit.

Posted by: Guy who thinks he's Napoleon at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (OsWis)

416 NY Times Lawyer Obama Regime Made Us Wait Years To Get Simple FOIA Info


And yet, even when stepped all over, your paper will still do the regimes bidding.

Weasel Zippers

Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (/tNwW)

417 A scintilla is a type of weasel.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (JO9+V)

418 Lickin' Park? Like on Roosevelt Island.

Well, there too.

Posted by: Folsom Street at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (Dwehj)

419
How do you get a court order to track something you are not sure exists....
Posted by: Nevergiveup




You don't. Not in a free country where the quaint custom of "probable cause" and independent judicial review still exists.

But in this place....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:12 PM (kdS6q)

420
What could go wrong?
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (ecDRv)

So you want all our national security secrets out in the open?

What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:13 PM (/tNwW)

421 >>> Ever see really old wedding photos?
No one is smiling.

Lol on this. That's my parents wedding photograph. The first time I saw it their marriage made sense to me. (My mom hates my dad). She looks so pissed off, but she said that it was considered weird to fake a smile for pictures then.

Posted by: L, Elle at June 02, 2015 07:13 PM (2x3L+)

422 I once sent a guy to Lickin Park. He never came back.

Posted by: Folsom Street at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (Dwehj)

423 I wish I could find stats, but I recall reading
that there are often more people looking to
adopt babies or children up for adoption.
Any anyway, why should this be a matter
for federal law?


The feds giveth. the feds taketh away.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (et+T8)

424
You don't. Not in a free country where the quaint custom of "probable cause" and independent judicial review still exists.

But in this place....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:12 PM (kdS6q)

What specifically are you afraid of if the Gov knows who you called? What makes you think that is such a big secret? What expectation of privacy to you have when you make a phone call on a public unsecured network?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (/tNwW)

425 Ooops. Off ghey sock.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at June 02, 2015 07:15 PM (Dwehj)

426 420


What could go wrong?

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:11 PM (ecDRv)



So you want all our national security secrets out in the open?



What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:13 PM (/tNwW)

I hate to go Godwin, but an awful lot of abuse can be justified on the basis of providing security. How do you know if it implicates national security until you've violated individual liberty? Is that where you're standing pat?

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:15 PM (ecDRv)

427 Survailence flights? never heard of 'em

Posted by: Pablo Escobar at June 02, 2015 07:16 PM (Pa9vP)

428 How do you know if it implicates national security until you've violated individual liberty? Is that where you're standing pat?
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:15 PM (ecDRv)


What individual liberty was violated? When was who you called ever a secret?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (/tNwW)

429 424
You don't. Not in a free country where the quaint custom of "probable cause" and independent judicial review still exists.

But in this place....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:12 PM (kdS6q)

What specifically are you afraid of if the Gov knows who you called? What makes you think that is such a big secret? What expectation of privacy to you have when you make a phone call on a public unsecured network?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (/tNwW)



Why does the federal government need to know that I call dominos?

Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (z/Ubi)

430 Nudes and it's groping.

Posted by: River Guide at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (RJMhd)

431 an awful lot of abuse can be justified on the basis of providing security

How so?

Posted by: The Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia and Poland at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (Dwehj)

432 Th point is the did have the info. It was because of PC crap that they did not act on it, NOT because the surveillance failed to turn up evidence.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:10 PM (/tNwW)

--All I'm asking is, what's the point of giving the gummint so much power if they won't even make a show of using it properly?

Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (FGst3)

433 Why does the federal government need to know that I call dominos?
Posted by: Buzzion at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (z/Ubi)

That's not the question or issue. Does the Gov knowing you called dominos violated any of your rights? Other than you have lousy taste in pizza

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (/tNwW)

434 What specifically are you afraid of if the Gov knows who you called? What makes you think that is such a big secret? What expectation of privacy to you have when you make a phone call on a public unsecured network?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:14 PM (/tNwW)


I have a lot of expectations. For one the public can't listen in or see any of the records. So it really isn't public.

Posted by: Free the nipples San Diego State University at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (wkuqO)

435
I would hope they would not tell us what they have done and what they have prevented.
Posted by: Nevergiveup




We're 14 years into the Eternal War on Terror. If there were successes, there would be events whose details are no longer operationally sensitive that could be revealed.

Consider the information released during every other war, and this era's "just trust your masters" attitude becomes absurd.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (kdS6q)

436
>>> Ever see really old wedding photos?
No one is smiling.
.....................................
That's because they were all secretly ghey and wanted to marry the best man instead of the bride.

Posted by: Gays slap ass! at June 02, 2015 07:19 PM (wAQA5)

437 --All I'm asking is, what's the point of giving the gummint so much power if they won't even make a show of using it properly?
Posted by: logprof at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (FGst3)


But that's a whole other issue. Reform how the gov interprets the data who does it who they use it, not necessarily the lawful, important, and necessary collection of that data

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:20 PM (/tNwW)

438 When was who you called ever a secret?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (/tNwW)

Before the Patriot Act. It's reading time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_and_trace_devicehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_register



Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:20 PM (ecDRv)

439 @331: "two lesbian deaf women are adopting an Hispanic kid, also deaf.

Posted by: MTF



This should be good. What's the punchline?"


"Because they'd leave snail trails"

Posted by: Friar's Club Joke Book, p. 292 at June 02, 2015 07:21 PM (amQXf)

440 Ha-ooooooooh!

Posted by: Lone wolf at June 02, 2015 07:21 PM (+jijM)

441 We're 14 years into the Eternal War on Terror. If there were successes, there would be events whose details are no longer operationally sensitive that could be revealed.

Consider the information released during every other war, and this era's "just trust your masters" attitude becomes absurd.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 02, 2015 07:18 PM (kdS6q)

yeah no. And we already talk to much about to many things. Like all the shit that has leaked out about our special forces. Some people need to learn to keep their mouths shut. And security clearances have to be tightened up.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:22 PM (/tNwW)

442 Anyway i have a conference call

later

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:23 PM (/tNwW)

443 @340: "Ever see really old wedding photos?



No one is smiling."

Blowjobs hadn't yet been invented, so brides, not knowing that they'd given their last one, had nothing to smile about. Blowjobs having not been invented, grooms simply had nothing to smile about.

Posted by: Dr. Ruth at June 02, 2015 07:23 PM (amQXf)

444 Some people need to learn to keep their mouths shut. And security clearances have to be tightened up.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:22 PM (/tNwW)


Obama too?

Posted by: just saying at June 02, 2015 07:23 PM (wkuqO)

445 428 How do you know if it implicates national security until you've violated individual liberty? Is that where you're standing pat?
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:15 PM (ecDRv)

What individual liberty was violated? When was who you called ever a secret?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 02, 2015 07:17 PM (/tNwW)


That's actually a good question.

We take requiring a court order to do a full recording wiretap as a given but I believe this was a fairly recent court decision from say the 60s or 70s. And I'm not sure if your phone usage by itself - phone numbers called/calls received from and duration - are even protected the same way.

Likewise I believe people's mail can't be opened without a court order but the sender and receiver information can be recorded without one.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 02, 2015 07:24 PM (pAlYe)

446 I suppose if you don't know your rights were violated it doesn't matter much. You sure as fuck can't prove it.

Posted by: just saying at June 02, 2015 07:26 PM (wkuqO)

447 @378: "Lazy fucks wanna spend the day surfing porn instead of doing any work."

Your point?

Posted by: Every worker, anywhere, ever at June 02, 2015 07:27 PM (amQXf)

448 The right to privacy covers everything from abortions to phone conversations.

Posted by: just saying at June 02, 2015 07:28 PM (wkuqO)

449 @388: "I always get Andrew Johnson and Andrew Jackson mixed up."

I *urp* know, right? I.....I alwayzh get Tito Jackson and Tito fr....from Yugoshlavia mixshed up. But one of them makesh an aweshome vodka.

Posted by: John *hic* Boehner at June 02, 2015 07:30 PM (amQXf)

450 Maet, see 438. Pen Registers and Trap and Trace data (numbers and connections but not content).

Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:31 PM (ecDRv)

451 450 Maet, see 438. Pen Registers and Trap and Trace data (numbers and connections but not content).
Posted by: flounder at June 02, 2015 07:31 PM (ecDRv)


Yes and if you read the article, you'll see that in 1979 the supreme court ruled that pen registers are not a search and do not require a court order.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 02, 2015 07:35 PM (pAlYe)

452 I will address the last bit about information gathering being permissible.

The victors in any court case is the side with more raw information. This is an irrefutable fact and is a feature of free societies anyway. It ensures that everybody, so long as they dot I and cross their t, can, hypothetically, defend themselves based upon facts and not ideology, as was the case prior to establishment of the system circa the fall of theOttoman Empire. It cannot be stressed enough that a trial by facts is the single best thing to happen for the common man in a matter of a legal nature.

The availability of technology to gather massive amounts of information is also not a bad thing. Neither is the government having that capability, it is an unavoidable eventuality of technological development in any case. It must be assumed that the government knows everything about everybody in today's world of technological inundation.

Tell me what is the explicit codified language in any arbitrary place on any arbitrary action? Regardless of what you, or anybody attempts to suggest as clearly legal, it will always be possible to argue that the fulfillment of that action necessitates some otherwise stipulated illegal action. The vast majority of the time nobody cares and it is probable that the representatives of the estate are aware that pursuing such laws is pointless and defeats the purpose of prosecution. These laws become somewhat akin to scoff laws, but it is the government which scoffs them; the people are ignorant of them due to their sheer number or awkward specificity.

This is why a person who has a taillight out can get charged for illegal carry of a firearm in a motor vehicle. The illegal carry charge is tacked on after the fact to the original and actually meaningful violation. This explicitly increases the cost of the taillight violation by several orders of magnitude. Imagine if our driver did not have insurance too. And/or had had his license revoked. It becomes very easy to absolutely ruin a person's day, week, or even year with a siren over something that costs pennies.

So, hypothetically, let us say that a particularily nasty man is elected president. He has some very vocal dissidents. It is within reason that he wants them to go away, so he watches them for their taillight to fail. The simple solution is not to have a bad taillight.

Too bad that is impossible now. There is no hiding from technology. It is everywhere and sees everything. Giving an entity which may indeed have a vested interest in shutting somebody up the power to collect raw information on that scale on everybody is a very bad idea.

Instead of needing to mind a taillight, pennies, we must mind everything, quite the opposite. Then, life may continue without note, until you say something our nasty little president does not like. Once you do, your entire life is turned upside down, you fight an endless battle of lawyers-presumably with a lawyer, who happens to want his own paycheck-and you cannot win. Simply because the government will always have more information than you. Maybe once or twice a jury will rule against the government, but in the long run the government will win more than it loses. You did, after all, break the codified law on those specific points.

The solutions are to deny the government access to meta-data or to have the law so brief, simple, and explicit that it is knowable and follow able on the individual level or provide for the overturn of laws by jury.

The law is impossible to understand in its totality today. Technology precludes the ability to limit data collection in any significant sense, but I see no reason to explicitly allow and protect it. Juries have never had that power, it would be a significant development in jurisprudential theory if they did.

The weakest point in that trifecta is the technology portion for the time being. While it is a battle the people will not win in the end, it is the only field we can win today. The other two require revolution of the bloody variety to be implemented.

Therefore, Ace, you are either wrong or actively encouraging a revolution from our current government to some as yet undefined one. That us codified as treason and is probably not popular on the hill. I wonder whose life will be turned over?

Posted by: CthulhuDreaming at June 02, 2015 07:40 PM (+mH0d)

453 So Ace is awesome. Goes almost without saying. However he is still in denial in many ways.

We he hits the next stage grief, it's gonna be something to read.

Posted by: simplemind at June 02, 2015 08:00 PM (BTnAK)

454 @452: "The victors in any court case is the side with more raw information.
This is an irrefutable fact and is a feature of free societies anyway."


Perjury can easily carry the day, as can pure unadulterated bullshit - i.e., the daycare molestation cases from the 1980s.

Stupidity/emotionality can sway a case, too. Some years ago, 60 Minutes or some similar news show actually got to film jury deliberations in a criminal case (the State, DA, and defense all agreed to it). Simple matter - the defendant was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm. The DA proved (and the defendant even admitted) that: (1) the defendant was a convicted felon; and (2) he was arrested in possession of a firearm. The facts and law were 100% on the state's side. The jury acquitted, even though they agreed that the facts unequivocally showed that: (1) the defendant was a convicted felon; and (2) he was arrested in possession of a firearm, and they agreed that the judge had instructed them that they had to convict if they found those two elements to be true. Their reasoning: "He was trying to turn his life around, and wanted to become an armed security guard, so he needed to have a gun." Neither the law, nor the facts, mattered a whit to them.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 02, 2015 08:03 PM (amQXf)

455 If we profiled properly we would be safer without mass scanning.

Yeah, I know...

Political Correctness Kills just like terrorists.

Posted by: Muckraker at June 02, 2015 08:26 PM (1Y+hH)

456 There was some stuff about "government" planes over Baltimore during the riots

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 02, 2015 08:27 PM (e8kgV)

457 The FBI has a lot of planes and they fly them to do surveillance in all kinds of cases. Most of them are Cessnas because the Cessna has a high wing, which lets the observer have an unobstructed view down. They fly a clockwise circle if there's an observer aboard and a counter-clockwise circle if it's just the pilot/agent up or the observer's in the left seat behind the pilot for some reason. DEA has planes, ICE has planes, the state police has planes and they all do the same thing. I spent plenty of time up there or down on the ground listening to the plane telling us what the crook's car was doing. They're not very good for collecting radio signals or meta data or whatever because up there you're picking up crap from all over. 99 percent of these cases the planes are supporting visual surveillance on the ground.

Posted by: Mongoose at June 02, 2015 08:46 PM (aS5To)

458 That is a pity. I had my hopes up for the "Mom and Apple Pie Act" or the "Cute Puppy Dog Act". Alas, we get the "Freedom Act".

Posted by: Yancey Ward at June 02, 2015 10:08 PM (vTVKC)

459
in rare circumstances, technology capable of tracking thousands of cellphones

And who's telling us that they're carrying stingrays only in "rare" circumstances? you ask for a miracle, I give you the Eff Bee Eye. That's who told us it is "in rare circumstances".

Which tells me they're permanently installed in the aircraft.

This is also the same Eff Bee Eye that told my local constabulary that if a judge asked them where they got the information (from a stingray device) that they were to tell the court that the source was a confidential informant.

Excuse me, isn't that suborning perjury?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 03, 2015 08:43 AM (1hM1d)

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