Denny Hastert Indicted For... Withdrawing Money From His Bank

As you may or may not know -- well, you almost certainly know it; I don't know why I'm low-balling you here -- it's illegal to "structure" withdrawals from a bank in order to evade the IRS $10,000 (?) threshold which triggers a reporting requirement.

Well, Denny Hastert did that, feds claim. He is indicted for Malicious Withdrawals of His Own Money.

Now, the reason he seems to have done this is to pay off an alleged "victim" of "prior bad acts" -- someone I guess who could expose him. Maybe a blackmailer, maybe not. So he took the money in sub-$10,000 withdrawals to avoid federal reporting and embarrassment about paying off a legitimate victim and/or blackmailer. (Sometimes it's hazy.)

Now, those "Prior bad acts" are not specified, and further, are not part of the charges against Hastert -- whatever those acts are, they are not the feds' concern.

However, they are indicting him for Withdrawing Money With Intent To Withdraw Money.

Someone on Twitter -- didn't see who -- noted that they wouldn't be crying for Hastert, as Hastert is a member of the political class who has conspired to make everything illegal, and how he's hoist upon his own petard.

I think it's about time we stopped merely complaining about this shit and started demanding the feds repeal this bullshit law and their many other we'll-get-you-on-something laws.

Open Thread.

Posted by: Ace at 06:23 PM




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1 Yay!

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (ecDRv)

2 Denny Hastert peaked as a wrestling coach. Doesn't matter, the law needs to go.

Posted by: pep at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (LAe3v)

3 Shit some banker old me the new trigger is $4,000.

Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)

4 Agree.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (74Hu9)

5 Basically being indicted for following the law.

But if you're following the law and a Republican, that's basically the same as "evading" the law.

Obviously this guy has some skeletons, but it's none of the government's damn business.

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (6ssh2)

6 "I think it's about time we stopped merely complaining about this shit and started demanding the feds repeal this bullshit law and their many other we'll-get-you-on-something laws."

Just a reminder here that this particular bullshit law, and a galaxy of other related bullshit laws, are all second-order consequences of fighting the War On Some Drugs.

A war in which the Republican Party have made themselves energetic foot soldiers for the past eighty years or so.

Root causation. It's a bitch.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (noWW6)

7 OTOH, the law against serial cash deposits of just under the reporting requirement MAY have merit.

Posted by: pep at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (LAe3v)

8 Do the Feds accept 'Fuck you, that's why' when they ask you why you took out the money?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (oVJmc)

9 So pulling out is a crime?

Posted by: wooga at May 28, 2015 06:27 PM (0GAfQ)

10 I don't think I have ever withdrawn or deposited over $10,000.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:27 PM (3A2nj)

11 Barry punishes me formalicious withdrawls. And I like it. Mmmm - mmmm - mmmm.

Posted by: Reggie Bodyman Love at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (NPgvx)

12 Seriously, that is a crime --- withdrawing money in increments smaller than $10,000 because you don't want the feds all up in your business?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (q6kiT)

13 @7 On second thought, that makes no sense. Either you breach the legal limit or you don't, and if you don't, you should be left alone.

Posted by: pep at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (LAe3v)

14 Are we gonna play the guess the party game?

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (DUbQO)

15
Good. Fuck him.

This is the same piece of shit who tried to protect William Jefferson.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (iVfu6)

16 Wake up GOPe, you are just as much targets of the MFM and commie regime as us flyover country hicks so stop helping them pass BS already.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (dkExz)

17 You know who's to blame for this? I'll give you a hint: banks are involved.

Posted by: Rip van Tinkle at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (tgnRB)

18 Shit some banker old me the new trigger is $4,000.>>>

Real Trigger Warning.

Posted by: Robinson at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (+exqw)

19 Do the Feds accept 'Fuck you, that's why' when they ask you why you took out the money?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (oVJmc)


Absolutely, the jails are full of them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (rDqRv)

20 >>> So pulling out is a crime?

It's certainly not sex.. By my definition.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (JLnbb)

21 I don't think I have ever withdrawn or deposited over $10,000.

I haven't made $10,000 in the past three years.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (0HooB)

22 Why is it any of the government's business how you spend your money?
This is assume guilty until proven innocent territory, assuming that you must to be up to no good if you're withdrawing a lot of $$$.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (q6kiT)

23 Our money is no longer our money

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (0tz5q)

24 More tyranny from the Bankers of Babylon.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (3A2nj)

25 I think it's about time we stopped merely complaining about this shit
and started demanding the feds repeal this bullshit law and their many
other we'll-get-you-on-something laws.

The LIB in me says "meh, better him than me. Let's hope the spineless GOPe has the balls for political retribution once Obama is gone."

Otherwise, I can think of many more laws that impact the law abiding that I'd have repealed than those that affect someone skirting laws about finance reporting.

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (ecDRv)

26 @15 Right, just because the law is bad for Hastert, doesn't mean it will ever be misapplied to you, right?

Posted by: pep at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (LAe3v)

27 I thought the law was that the bank had to report if you deposit 10k or more not if you withdraw it. What bs.

My fantasy is that if I ever when the lottery, I would take out huge amounts of cash and hand it out to those who I believe need it. So, now I could go to jail for it?

Posted by: Bruce with a Wang! at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (iQIUe)

28 Just put the money in the freezer!

Posted by: William 'Cold Cash' Jefferson at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (oVJmc)

29 wasn't there a case in nc about this the other day? some coin dealer had 100k+ seized by treasury even though it was neveralleged and no one had any probable cause that there was a crime associated with the structuring.



Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (kCLGY)

30 Off you damn, dirty sock

Posted by: Dave C at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (JLnbb)

31 It's not just this. It's everything. Asset seizure, regulation taking the place of law making to avoid the constitution, enforcement arms of virtually all government agencies, exemptions from laws for law makers, executive overreach, and the list goes on and on.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (BZAd3)

32 Co-worker's wife works in a bank, she says that $5k withdrawal will get you reported.

Posted by: PMRich at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (eEBON)

33 Basically, he violated the law of not allowing the government to trace his money flow at all times.

It's either illegal to possess cash or it isn't. He followed the law to the letter.
Conservatives should push "sunset laws" on every federal law that requires renewal say every 10 years.

Also a Justice Department that's not another political wing of a campaign.

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (6ssh2)

34 of course if hastert had simply taken it out all at once who woulda known?



Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:30 PM (kCLGY)

35 So if I keep under the speed limit is that illegal?

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:31 PM (TV9BR)

36 Is it too cynical of me to think they find the supposed prior bad act(s) as harmful to the GOP in some way(s), so they went looking for a crime to expose it?

Posted by: Baldy at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (sEXjW)

37 Denny Hastert arrested for paying blackmail in violation of currency control regulations.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (KKMQQ)

38 And this is why I don't want cash to be fully replaced by electronic transactions.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (q6kiT)

39 #31
Second look at that national divorce?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (R8hU8)

40 Alex Jones warned me, but did I listen?

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (DUbQO)

41 Take it out $10,000 at a time. Say you spent it on hookers and blow. He was a Congressman.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (3A2nj)

42 I think having restrictions on withdrawls /deposits and monitoring them is simply one step towards eliminating cash altogether so you can have the government control it al.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:32 PM (kCLGY)

43 So it's illegal to take out >$10k either additively or all at once.

Basically, you're guilty at all times.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:33 PM (oVJmc)

44 35.

No, you're purposely going under the speed limit in order to not being violation of speeding laws. Basically "conspiracy to want to go as fast as legally possible without paying a ticket".

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:33 PM (6ssh2)

45 You shoulda gotten into sanitation, Denny.

Posted by: Tony Soprano at May 28, 2015 06:33 PM (qHGPV)

46 Avoiding prosecution by not committing crimes is a crime.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:33 PM (3A2nj)

47 Is it too cynical of me...
Posted by: Baldy

No. You can never be too cynical these days.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (tgnRB)

48 The best part is Hastert did all he could to "Cold Cash" from being investigated.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (TV9BR)

49 All of this while the Clinton's are immune from... everything.
It hasn't been that long ago that anybody associated with the government was required to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest or impropriety. Shit, now it's flaunted - "Prove it!" or "Where's the proof?"

We are serfs and peasants.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (BZAd3)

50 10k. I had to fill out IRS paperwork for a 3k cashiers check to the carpet installer.

Posted by: JD at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (TzeLs)

51 And this way they get the press to dig until they expose the old has-been. Petty charge, and a character assassination.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:34 PM (oVJmc)

52 Denny Hastert arrested for being a republican.

(If a democrat had done this. . . if Clintons had done this, it wouldn't be a crime.)

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (KKMQQ)

53 Screw Hastert. I knew he was bent a long time ago when wondering why he let Foley remain a pedophile virus in House long enough for democrats to capitalize off the Foley scandal in the '06 elections.

Ex-wrestling coach didn't see a big problem with Foley buggering teen pages. Get it?

So many in dc are bent. These bent men and women eventually destroy all they touch.

Posted by: Mica Vim Toot at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (VvKOi)

54 Even I, a political semi-junkie, had to look up the name "Dennis Hastert" to see who he was and what party he belonged to.

Consequently, everyone less politically knowledgable than me -- that is, 95% of the electorate -- will be utterly unmoved by this "scandal," and will ignore it in favor of other things (generally involving the word "Kardashian").

Therefore, I give this the official Stamp of Irrelevancy.

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (jBuUi)

55 He is indicted for Malicious Withdrawals of His Own Money.

The War on Drugs: The gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (sdi6R)

56 >>More tyranny from the Bankers of Babylon.

Actually tourgewrench is right, this is a part of the failed war on drugs. You also can't bring $10k in or out of the country when traveling without reporting it.

Almost as soon as the law went out drug smugglers started making lots of small transactions, well small for them, near $10k and the feds started watching all people who made lots of transactions near $10k. The feds just got ordered to turn over $100k they seized from some mom and pop the other day for the same thing, some bullshit accusation of structuring.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (g1DWB)

57 This is how Obama keeps Boehner and McConnell in line. There probably isn't a single established member of Congress who hasn't taken advantage of little dodges like this. Remember, we're talking about the August body that exempted itself from insider trading rules.

This was a not particularly veiled threat from Obama to the GOP, sealed with a kiss.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (XO6WW)

58 You know every WDC politician has a skeleton and Obama has weaponized the NSA. Only answer is to give Obama more control.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (TV9BR)

59 Otherwise, I can think of many more laws that impact the law abiding that I'd have repealed than those that affect someone skirting laws about finance reporting.
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:29 PM (ecDRv)


I will point you to the story in last night's ONT about how the Secret Service tried to confiscate $115,000 from a couple running a small business. No evidence of a crime - they just made too many cash transactions too close to $10,000 a little too often and so the government just took their money. They had to go to court and spend $25,000 (not reimbursed) in order to get it back.

This is a bad law and makes it too easy for the government to simply confiscate all your cash assets, potentially leaving you with no resources left to even fight the process.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (pAlYe)

60 Something tells me they won't prosecute the blackmailer, the one that actually DID violate the law.

They probably won't prosecute that she didn't pay taxes on the cash she was given either.

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (6ssh2)

61 I'm sure Clinton's Haitian sham charity has never done this.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (3A2nj)

62 I guess the point of all this is to keep your cash in your mattress.



Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (kCLGY)

63
Reading the indictment, sounds like the Feds are insinuating Hastert structured the withdrawals to hide payoffs to someone related to his time as a high-school teacher/coach.

$3.5 million for "past misconduct"

Oh oh.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (kdS6q)

64 I think this was a "war on drugs" solution that has, naturally, grown beyond the reason for passing it in the first place. Like EPA, homeland security, etc., etc.

Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (+jijM)

65 Driving below the speed limit, while everyone else is five miles over, makes you a suspicious vehicle and you'll be stopped and searched and subject to a field sobriety test.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (KKMQQ)

66 All of this while the Clinton's are immune from... everything.

Take money, hide/destroy the communications, launder the money through your spouse, sell influence and US policy, subvert investigation. Clinton S.O.P.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (oVJmc)

67 I have to give my license to DEPOSIT CASH. Sometimes as little as $100. Drug king pin.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (TV9BR)

68 Actually tourgewrench is right, this is a part of the failed war on drugs. You also can't bring $10k in or out of the country when traveling without reporting it.

Funny how they never adjust that for inflation.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (0HooB)

69 About 15 years ago my wife and I went to the bank to cash a 5K check. They called the issuer on his home number right from the window. It took a few minutes, and was awkward. I didn't like it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (2cS/G)

70 >>All of this while the Clinton's are immune from... everything.

They're smart enough to bypass cash transactions and launder their payoffs through a "foundation", paid speeches and over the top book advances.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (q6kiT)

71 Why did the dummy put that cash into a bank? He should have stashed in shoe boxes like Paul Powell.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 06:38 PM (ahBY0)

72 Seems like Lynch is starting to clear the docket now that steadman is gone. Camouflage or a new leaf?

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:38 PM (DUbQO)

73 Any word in the MFM yet about Saudi's buying nukes from Pakistan?

Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 06:38 PM (+jijM)

74

Denny Hastert peaked as a wrestling coach. ...

Posted by: pep


Apparently more than once.

Posted by: imp at May 28, 2015 06:38 PM (XIXZz)

75 Sweet Meteor of Death. It's time.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (jlhet)

76 New router. What pray tell is my hash this time?

Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (JmjOe)

77 Fail to report $10K, big crime.
Fail to report $25 million, no problem.

If you are the right party.

Same can be said for raping AND killing women.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (TV9BR)

78 Follow the law, don't follow the law... it doesn't matter anymore. Everyone is always breaking laws all the time. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a law. Some get to break them worse than others (Clinton Family, I'm looking at you).

Selective prosecution matters. Not the law. Not anymore.

Nation of Men, Not Law. In case no one noticed.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (1CroS)

79 John Corzine is *still* free as a bird.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (q6kiT)

80 Banks don't pay interest anymore. Hastert should have put the money in an envelope ant taped it to the bottom of one of his page's toy box.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (3A2nj)

81 Tough call, and I hate that about myself.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (rwI+c)

82
Also note, Hastert is being prosecuted under the money laundering laws that were renewed and extended under the Patriot Act and it's renewals -- which Hastert supported.

Tres amuse.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (kdS6q)

83 62 I guess the point of all this is to keep your cash in your mattress.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (kCLGY)



But if the police should happen to find it for some reason, they can confiscate it. Because having cash makes you suspicious. Then you have to prove it isn't drug money to get it back.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (sdi6R)

84 sounds like the Feds are insinuating Hastert structured the withdrawals
to hide payoffs to someone related to his time as a high-school
teacher/coach.


Friend of Harry Reid?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (oVJmc)

85 Nation of Men, Not Law. In case no one noticed.

It's been noticed. There appears no way to cure it by voting.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (0HooB)

86 I wouldn't mind seeing Guild Navigator Mitch McConnell led away in cuffs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (rwI+c)

87 I'm the guy who played Pedro Cellano in Major League. Don't confuse me with Denny Hastert. Thank you.

Posted by: Dennis Haysbert at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (NPgvx)

88 Guess who is a big advocate of civil forfeiture?

The new short, fat, black, racist AG.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (TV9BR)

89 "So if I keep under the speed limit is that illegal?"


Well, since your denying the state an opportunity to collect financially from you. I have heard of people getting tickets for driving too slow and creating a traffic hazard.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 06:41 PM (LA7Cm)

90 I'm sure no Democrat pol has ever, ever done this.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 06:41 PM (q20+R)

91 A lot of this is also Patriot Act nonsense.

Remember that when you think it's "no big deal" for the Feds to collect info about EVERY Americans phone records. After all, if you're not a terrorist, what do you need to worry about?

If you think it's A-Ok to collect phone records data, how can you be against the Feds keeping tabs on people who like to withdraw lots of cash?

The government is using War on Terror and War on Drug laws to embarass political enemies.

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:41 PM (6ssh2)

92 Banks don't pay interest anymore. Hastert should have put the money in an envelope ant taped it to the bottom of one of his page's toy box.

*shakes Guinness out of laptop*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (0HooB)

93 it's his money, and I don't care about that part.

I care about whatever it was that was worth 3.5 million to cover up, and I care that the GOP didn't bother disclosing to the voters that the fucking Speaker of the House was this badly compromised.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (ATyhH)

94 I wouldn't mind seeing Guild Navigator Mitch McConnell led away in cuffs.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

You'll get your wish when the idiot stops being useful.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (tgnRB)

95 Understand that prosecutors usually resort to these laws because they do not have enough proof for a conviction of a real, more serious crime.

Now this sounds like a nice idea -- getting Al Capone on tax evasion and such.

But it is just a way to subvert the protections we put in place to make sure only the guilty are convicted, and that we are a nation of laws.

So, in the specific, it is usually (not always) easy to be grateful that the guy we know is a criminal is charged with something. It is a primrose path to tyranny though and our nation is no longer capable of thinking of the consequences. I blame universal suffrage

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (LWu6U)

96 Selective prosecution matters.

Yep. Tyranny is not defined by it's severity, but by it's capriciousness.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 06:42 PM (rwI+c)

97 I'm just glad the feds don't accept cash for paying taxes, because I'd be withdrawing $10,000 every week.

Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (8ZskC)

98 It's become us versus them.

Instead of Government of the people, by the people and for the people, it's now Government against the people.

We can win this one but it will take nerve and some people will lose their stuff.

They physically cannot put us all in prison.

And it's getting close to the time when they will make a move to circumvent that.

They keep pushing the boundaries and there's a reason why it's happening NOW.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (zRby/)

99 t if the police should happen to find it for some reason, they can confiscate it. Because having cash makes you suspicious. Then you have to prove it isn't drug money to get it back.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (sdi6R)

I would burn it instead.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (kCLGY)

100 So here's the deal. If my *state* authorities decide that they are going to start monitoring my financial activities in fine-grained detail, well, their right to do so is a multivariable function of my state's legislature and my state's Constitution.

If the *federal* authorities propose to start monitoring my financial activities in fine-grained detail, I would argue that they have grounds to do so in a Constitutional sense only when it comes to:

(a) National security, an enumerated federal responsibility, and

(b) Enforcement of federal income tax operations. That troublesome goddamned 16th Amendment which should never have even been contemplated.

That's it. Anything else, piss off.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (noWW6)

101 How many other republicans are worried about something?

(pour encourager les autres)

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (KKMQQ)

102
I wouldn't mind seeing Guild Navigator Mitch McConnell led away in cuffs.


I guarantee he's done plenty to put him away.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (oVJmc)

103 Where did Moo Moo go?

Hiding under a banhammer?

Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2015 06:44 PM (JmjOe)

104 "The government is using War on Terror and War on Drug laws to embarass political enemies."

------------

Only when a totalitarian progressive is POTUS.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:44 PM (TV9BR)

105 I don't think I have ever withdrawn or deposited over $10,000.



Not in cash I haven't.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 28, 2015 06:44 PM (SI8Wf)

106

"High-school wrestling coach"





Guilty.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:44 PM (kdS6q)

107 Posted by: torquewrench at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (noWW6)

And taxes and a bunch of other regulations that were formulated by unelected pencil necked pencil pushers by our duly elected assholes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (zRby/)

108 Yep. Tyranny is not defined by it's severity, but by it's capriciousness.


Heh. Now you're catching on.

Posted by: Henry VII at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (8ZskC)

109 $300 a week from the ATM spent on junk food, smokes, bars and get rich quick schemes... adds up quick...

Posted by: Richard Nixon at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (maLc1)

110 I care that the GOP didn't bother disclosing to the voters that the fucking Speaker of the House was this badly compromised.

It's a safe bet every politician on Capitol Hill is compromised.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (oVJmc)

111 so is checking the oil worth $3.5 million?

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:45 PM (kCLGY)

112 65 Driving below the speed limit, while everyone else is five miles over, makes you a suspicious vehicle and you'll be stopped and searched and subject to a field sobriety test.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:37 PM (KKMQQ)



Once I noticed that a cop was behind me. I slowed down to the speed limit. Really, what else could I do?

He followed me for a loooong time. I mean he was right on my bumper. Eventually I decided to turn off the road I was on, and he didn't follow.

To this day I don't know if he was actually following me for some reason, or was just coincidentally behind me. He was definitely tailgating, though. What could I do, speed up until I was over the speed limit? The whole thing creeped me out.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (sdi6R)

113 Reminiscent of the Weimar purges in the early '30s.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (Dwehj)

114 This "structured withdrawal" law is wide open for abuse and is abused almost daily. But, be that as it may, his withdrawals were almost $1M each if the news story I read was correct so that charge is bogus.


Now if they can prove he was paying off a blackmailer then IIANM that is a crime.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (GpgJl)

115 Ace 2 hours ago: make the left live up to the standards they impose on the rest of us.

Ace now: don't make (left wing) politicians live up to the standards they impose on the rest of us.

Posted by: Egd at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (YYZCI)

116 This was a not particularly veiled threat from Obama to the GOP, sealed with a kiss.


Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (XO6WW)

Seems most likely.

This is a bad law and makes it too easy for the
government to simply confiscate all your cash assets, potentially
leaving you with no resources left to even fight the process.


Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (pAlYe)

I saw that other story before the ONT.
There are many other bad laws on the books. I am not going to get any more upset that this one is on the books just because the corrupt Feds charge someone of note or someone that my betters think I should consider of note, especially when he appears to have technically violated the law. Hell, the IRS ran amok over many grassroots Tea Party Orgs for no wrongdoing other than being conservative and in violation of many laws. Hillary felonating all across the US and nothing. Doesn't matter if this law is repealed or not. The problem is systemic, not just pertaining to one or two bads laws that are used by a corrupt administration to send a political message to its opponents.

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (ecDRv)

117 Breaking news... DOJ. Investigating Clinton foundation. Sorry.. That was a dream.

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (DUbQO)

118 It's not like Illinois has a history of corruption or anything. Stay tuned, I think there might be a little more to this that hasn't been said yet.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 06:47 PM (ahBY0)

119 OT: Fort Benning police searching for 3-5 unauthorized intruders who entered in 2 vehicles and may be armed.

Posted by: Baldy at May 28, 2015 06:47 PM (sEXjW)

120

And I feel so lonesome
you hear me when I moan
When I feel so lonesome
you hear me when I moan
Who been drivin my terraplane
for you since I've been gone
I'd said I flashed your lights mama
your horn won't even blow
I even flash my lights mama
this horn won't even blow
Got a short in this connection
hoo-well, babe, its way down below
I'm on hist your hood momma
I'm bound to check your oil
I'm on hist your hood momma mmmm
I'm bound to check your oil
I got a woman that I'm lovin
way down in Arkansas
Now you know the coils ain't even buzzin
little generator won't get the spark
Motors in a bad condition
you gotta have these batteries charged
But I'm cryin please
please don't do me wrong
Who been drivin my terraplane now for
you-hoo since I've been gone
Mr Highwayman
please don't block the road
Puh hee hee
ple-hease don't block the road
Casue she's restrin (?) a cold one hindred
and I'm booked I gotta go
Mmm mmm
mmmm mmmm mmm
You ooo oooo oooo
you hear me weep and moan
Who been drivin my terraplane
for you since I've been gone
I'm on get deep down in this connection
keep on tanglin with your wires
I'm on get deep down in this connection
hoo-well keep on tanglin with your wires
And when I mash down your little starter
then your spark plug will give me a fire.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 06:47 PM (rwI+c)

121 Those people who actually go to great lengths to make sure they're not breaking the law, you just know those people are up to something illegal.

Posted by: mugiwara at May 28, 2015 06:47 PM (3a584)

122 So here's the deal. If my *state* authorities decide that they are going to start monitoring my financial activities in fine-grained detail, well, their right to do so is a multivariable function of my state's legislature and my state's Constitution.


I hold all authority to a higher standard: Unless and until they have enough evidence to present to a judge reasonable suspicion that I've committed a crime, they have no right to gather any information on me, electronic, financial or otherwise.

No right at all. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:48 PM (0HooB)

123 I look better all the time! C'mon down! Your smart firends are already here!

Posted by: BELIZE! at May 28, 2015 06:48 PM (NPgvx)

124 If the *federal* authorities propose to start monitoring my financial
activities in fine-grained detail, I would argue that they have grounds
to do so in a Constitutional sense only when it comes to:



(a) National security, an enumerated federal responsibility

______________________________

That's just it, they use "national security" as an excuse to violate us. These laws were designed to find money laundering tactics for terrorists.

That's why I don't buy it and I'd rather worry about ISIS here at home and have my civil liberties than a weaponized federal government that can arrest you for simply taking cash out of your own bank account.



Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 06:48 PM (6ssh2)

125 Got a certified check from the bank last month to pay for a load of material. Had to provide the company name and the bank had to verify it was a legitimate business plus they had to fill out a government form for the transaction.

Posted by: tbd at May 28, 2015 06:48 PM (c0HLr)

126 The Question is moot.

Posted by: The Burning Time at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (rwI+c)

127
When Oswego High wrestling and football coach Ken Pickerill was left without an assistant in 1959, he tapped Hastert to drill his fellow linemen. "He was 17 going on 35," Pickerill recalled. "He could ride them and everything

http://tinyurl.com/ouuzasz




*cough*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (kdS6q)

128 If you run a business, expect your customers to break your 30k invoice into sections -- to help you out.

Posted by: Shanghai Noodle and Rocking Chair Factory at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (xQX/f)

129 The republicans do the same kind of shit when they get a chance. Remember Martha Stewart?

Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (+jijM)

130 114 This "structured withdrawal" law is wide open for abuse and is abused almost daily. But, be that as it may, his withdrawals were almost $1M each if the news story I read was correct so that charge is bogus.
Now if they can prove he was paying off a blackmailer then IIANM that is a crime.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (GpgJl)


In the actual charge documents Hastert made several $50,000+ withdrawals and when notified that they would be reported, switched to sub $10,000 withdrawals. He's being busted for the sub $10,000 withdrawals and lying to the SS when questioned about their purpose.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (pAlYe)

131 The answer to this is simple, become a muslim. I think they can get away with anything because of "koran says so" card.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (TV9BR)

132 FT Benning - RE: Shooting - one in custody, still looking for 3-5 black males. Link in nik

Posted by: Baldy at May 28, 2015 06:50 PM (sEXjW)

133 When Oswego High wrestling and football coach Ken Pickerill was left without an assistant in 1959, he tapped Hastert to drill his fellow linemen. "He was 17 going on 35," Pickerill recalled. "He could ride them and everything


*snort*

Posted by: Phrasing! at May 28, 2015 06:50 PM (rwI+c)

134 This is Three Felonies a Day level bullshit, like so many other state and federal laws

Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 06:50 PM (dXn35)

135 3
Shit some banker old me the new trigger is $4,000.



Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)

Originally it was $10K and structured withdrawals were amounts up to that but not over to avoid the reporting requirements. They have abused it around now to make it anything they want. But if you are above 10K it is then the responsibility of the bank to report it.

It is sure as hell not illegal to make withdrawals above 10K which he did. I have also done that every damn time I have bought a new car. This is a BS charge and unless they can prove blackmail, which he isn't charged with this case will go in the shitter
And it does prove one thing, you can still indict a ham sandwich, especially if it has an R after its name and you have a Democrat AG.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:50 PM (GpgJl)

136 Excellent article about Rubio's recent comments about the eventual tenants of faith becoming hate speech:

http://tinyurl.com/o9bzjwd

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 06:51 PM (BZAd3)

137 Funny.

Posted by: Toms at May 28, 2015 06:51 PM (cEvZ8)

138 Fuck.... Kid in the neighbor hood started boot this week at Ft Benning.....

Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2015 06:51 PM (JmjOe)

139 rickl at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM

On a two lane road they'll hide behind you to catch speeders coming from the other direction.

And when they're right behind you, it's to make you nervous, if you are guilty of something. If you act nervous they'll pull you over. If you don't act nervous, they'll still pull you over.

"If they run, they're VC. If they don't run they are well trained VC" (Full Metal Jacket)

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 06:51 PM (KKMQQ)

140 @110- Pappy O'

I firmly believe that's why they went after Sarah the way they did. D's and R's.

She hates corruption.
Could find nothing on her to control her with.

Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (qyZxC)

141 In the actual charge documents Hastert made several $50,000+ withdrawals and when notified that they would be reported, switched to sub $10,000 withdrawals. He's being busted for the sub $10,000 withdrawals and lying to the SS when questioned about their purpose.
Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:49 PM (pAlYe)

well, yeah but, nothing illegal about wanting to stay off of government radar.

having a reporting requirement that requires transactions $10k and greater to be reported is very inconvenient if an illegal organization is trying to move a lot of money quickly and stay off radar. no one ever intended law for going after criminals with thousands of dollars.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (kCLGY)

142 Fox Atlanta reports fort Benning Facebook says

Shooting, three to five men seen exiting and running from 2 vehicles

Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (RJMhd)

143 This is Three Felonies a Day level bullshit, like so many other state and federal laws

But having lawyers make laws isn't a conflict of interest.

Axe any lawyer.

(Apologies to any Horde lawyer-types)

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (0HooB)

144 if they have the power, they will use the power. if they use the power, they will abuse the power.

Posted by: emily post at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (CrYC8)

145
his withdrawals were almost $1M each if the news story I read was correct so that charge is bogus.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party



Indictment says he was withdrawing in $50k increments, until his bank flagged him, then he started taking out in under $10 transactions.

Pretty clear case for adjusting you behavior to avoid the federal attention.

He's sunk.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (kdS6q)

146 I am pretty sure this shit started under clinton and the war on drugs.

I had a good friend that owned a record store and the feds were convinced he was dealing drugs. He wasn't, the worst he was doing is selling some used records to good customers out of the back room avoiding the front register and accountants.

In the end they seized a lot of his assets and the only charge was structuring and low small quantities of drugs which were for personal use.

The thing is, they had put so much into catching him, even setting up video in building across the street and there were so many agencies involved that they were damn sure they were going to charge him with something.

Anyway, the seizures started under Clinton. A lot of the erosion of civil liberties started under clinton

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (LWu6U)

147 3 million is a lot of hush money

Dead girl or live boy

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (zOTsN)

148 ... especially those for whom omniscient and omnipotent state power is the goal.

Posted by: emily post at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (CrYC8)

149 you just get youself a coffee can and bury that in the back yard somewhere

Posted by: ACORN Lady at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (Cq0oW)

150 Hell, the IRS ran amok over many grassroots Tea Party Orgs for no wrongdoing other than being conservative and in violation of many laws. Hillary felonating all across the US and nothing. Doesn't matter if this law is repealed or not. The problem is systemic, not just pertaining to one or two bads laws that are used by a corrupt administration to send a political message to its opponents.
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 06:46 PM (ecDRv)


And so we should nothing about any particular bad laws then? Okaay.

Plus there is a very large difference between the IRS withholding tax exemptions and doing extra audits on disfavored groups and people and actually filing criminal charges against someone that will send them to pound-me-in-the-ass prison for years. Both are bad abuses of power but the latter is an entire order of magnitude worse on the tyranny scale.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (pAlYe)

151 .When are they charging Hillary?

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 06:55 PM (zOTsN)

152 I'm going to guess this has been sitting in the drawer waiting for some reason that Democrats needed to expand the political horizons of the 'structuring' law, and the other day's court ruling gave them the rationale.

President JEM will put through executive orders as follows:

a) No Federal agency shall engage in 'structuring' or 'asset forfeiture' enforcement except in conjunction with criminal charges.

b) State or local entities engaging in asset-forfeiture actions without corresponding criminal charges shall be presumed to have engaged in fourth amendment violations, my administration will expect such States to curtail such actions and, should they not do so, any Federal funding to that state and related entities will be curtailed.

Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (o+SC1)

153 I wish I wasn't dragooned into doing free anti money laundering police work for the government. the cops absolutely won't work for free so I don't see why I should make up for their deficiencies.

Posted by: X at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (xGNLA)

154
nothing illegal about wanting to stay off of government radar.
Posted by: yankeefifth



Uh -- in this case, under these laws, yes there is.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (kdS6q)

155
Cash???

Hell... They raided Gibson Guitar with tactical operators over "poplar boards"

Posted by: fixerupper at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (JmjOe)

156 And when they're right behind you, it's to make you nervous, if you are guilty of something. If you act nervous they'll pull you over. If you don't act nervous, they'll still pull you over.

Had a motorcycle cop get behind me a couple of blocks away from Casa Backwardio the other day. Residential area, speed limit 25.

I usually do about 30 through there, but not this time. Dude filled my mirrors.

I can play the game, too. I learned how to drive on an Army base.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (0HooB)

157 Everybody got to have a bad guy! Well look at me! I be your bad guy, how's that? Everybody get a good look!

Posted by: Tony Montana at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (Cq0oW)

158 17
You know who's to blame for this? I'll give you a hint: banks are involved.

Posted by: Rip van Tinkle at May 28, 2015 06:28 PM (tgnRB)

I knew it. Those damn Jews.

Posted by: Hitler's Illegitimate and unkown child at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (jsYc/)

159 Don't lie to the Stasi. The correct answer is because Ckuf you that's why.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:57 PM (3A2nj)

160 143 This is Three Felonies a Day level bullshit, like so many other state and federal laws

But having lawyers make laws isn't a conflict of interest.

Axe any lawyer.

(Apologies to any Horde lawyer-types)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 06:53 PM (0HooB)

Apology accepted. I don't know that it's so much direct self interest as it is the underlying philosophy that these people have adopted. Personally I'm appalled at the degree of local, state and federal regulation of every little fcuking thing.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (dXn35)

161 And this brings up a very important point.

Do NOT talk to the Police/Agents.

They can lie to you but you cannot lie to them. Therefore unless you plan on telling the whole truth AND you know for sure it IS the whole truth, Do NOT talk to the Police/Agents without an attorney present.

This goes double if you have a law degree.

They will record everything you say OR write it down and they MAY do so incorrectly. You may or may not be allowed to record THEM so have a witness. Preferably someone being paid to keep you out of jail.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (zRby/)

162 This law was passed long before the Patriot Act.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (GpgJl)

163 Only criminals act within the law. It's just suspicious.

Posted by: t-bird at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (FcR7P)

164 Thanks Vic.

No joke I think he was in the middle of trying to tell me how to avoid this structuring charge and then his mistress called on his cellphone so he had to go out to the parking lot because the wife was there.


So you know., I think he forgot to finish .

I got his fries though- so there's that.

Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (RJMhd)

165 I wonder why they keep talking about a cashless system? How do you pay off the corrupt?

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 06:59 PM (DUbQO)

166 When are they charging Hillary?

Remember those disappeared FBI files about everybody in Washington?

Insurance.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:59 PM (oVJmc)

167 Uh -- in this case, under these laws, yes there is.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (kdS6q)


well they may prosecute you but that does not mean it is illegal. structuring is illegal only in the furtherance of a crime, in and of itself it is not illegal. even then, it is a stupid crime.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:59 PM (kCLGY)

168 Hastert peeked as a wrestling coach? I would too!

Posted by: Reggie Bodyman Love at May 28, 2015 06:59 PM (NPgvx)

169
I am pretty sure this shit started under clinton and the war on drugs.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest




Bank Secrecy Act of 1970

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act

With the Republicans regularly renewing and extending the law.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:01 PM (kdS6q)

170 I hate using cash but a cashless system is a terrible idea.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 07:01 PM (kCLGY)

171 So..., anyone regularly depositing, or withdrawing sub $10,000 amounts is vulnerable to prosecution?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 07:01 PM (F2IAQ)

172 are all second-order consequences of fighting the War On Some Drugs.

Which, itself, is often justified as a we'll get you on something law.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:02 PM (J0IP0)

173 Hell... They raided Gibson Guitar with tactical operators over "poplar boards"

I thought it was ebony but if IIRC nothing happened to Martin, Taylor, Guild, Fender, etc. I'll bet they all get their wood from similar sources. I wonder if Gibson wouldn't donate to someone.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:02 PM (ahBY0)

174 So..., anyone regularly depositing, or withdrawing sub $10,000 amounts is vulnerable to prosecution?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 07:01 PM (F2IAQ)


yes. not so much prosecution as having you money seized.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 07:02 PM (kCLGY)

175
One too many times...

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (iVfu6)

176 They will record everything you say OR write it down and they MAY do so incorrectly. You may or may not be allowed to record THEM so have a witness. Preferably someone being paid to keep you out of jail.

Or just make shit up to mask the fact they didn't have probable cause to arrest you in the first place.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (dXn35)

177 146
Anyway, the seizures started under Clinton. A lot of the erosion of civil liberties started under clinton

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (LWu6U)



I don't blame Clinton. It's Congress that passed these laws. And the "law & order" GOP have been enthusiastic drug warriors for decades. It was Nixon that coined the term "War on Drugs", after all.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (sdi6R)

178
structuring is illegal only in the furtherance of a crime, in and of itself it is not illegal. even then, it is a stupid crime.
Posted by: yankeefifth




Nope. Feds don't have to prove that. The structuring itself is illegal, regardless of the motivation.

Law and case law is absolutly pelucid on that.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (kdS6q)

179 162 This law was passed long before the Patriot Act.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 06:58 PM (GpgJl)


The $10K reporting requirement was part of the 1970 Bank Secrecy Act but I don't believe that 'structuring' your transactions below this limit became a crime in itself until a later amendment. I couldn't find a clear cut answer on this in wikipedia so I'm hoping someone knowledgeable here can point to the actual legislation that did.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:03 PM (pAlYe)

180 Shit some banker old me the new trigger is $4,000

The problem is that first they make reporting $10,000 withdrawals mandatory; then they start worrying about "you should have knowns" when someone withdraws $9,000, then finally their lawyer says, just report everything over $4,000.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:04 PM (J0IP0)

181 I'm interested in learning how a retired Congressman had a million bucks in his checking account. Sweet, sweet lobbying money?

Posted by: MTF at May 28, 2015 07:04 PM (TcePY)

182 Given what we know about the flow of cash to the Clintons, how is it possible that they or their minions did NOT do the same - either exceeding the limit or "structuring" to avoid it. We're there NO BANKS involved in CML Inc? That's Clinton Money Laundering Inc.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 28, 2015 07:04 PM (CyvDL)

183 well they may prosecute you but that does not mean it is illegal. structuring is illegal only in the furtherance of a crime, in and of itself it is not illegal. even then, it is a stupid crime.
Posted by: yankeefifth
---------------

You did read the story about the NC store owner, no?
At a minimum, he is out the $35,000 in legal costs it took to recover his money

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 07:04 PM (F2IAQ)

184 Apology accepted. I don't know that it's so much direct self interest as it is the underlying philosophy that these people have adopted. Personally I'm appalled at the degree of local, state and federal regulation of every little fcuking thing.

Yeah. And knowing what I know now about who actually writes these many blatant affronts to the Constitution and our freedom, I'm more inclined to let y'all off the hook.

Still, the gall of people like Nazi (We'll have to pass the law to find out what's in it) Pelosi who fail to safeguard our freedom still rubs me the wrong way.

Why is it that it's not popular knowledge that, with our form of government, every new law passed diminishes our freedom?

/rhetorical

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:05 PM (0HooB)

185 but ace if we don't have a police state to fight the war on drugs, Boxer rebellion or somesuch diogenes crap.

Posted by: X at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (xGNLA)

186 How many of those people who had their income tax returns downloaded from the IRS by hackers nervous?

Accounts and tax lawyers racking up billable hours?

Those tax returns were targeted individuals too, not just random. Just a coincidence, probably never happen again.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (KKMQQ)

187 Didnt Nancy R start the war on drugs?

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (DUbQO)

188 So if I keep under the speed limit is that illegal?

Believe it or not, the same logic that says "he must have been doing something wrong, he withdrew less than the reporting limit" also has been used by cops to say "I suspected he was trying to evade attention by driving just under the speed limit."

If they want to stop you, they don't need much justification.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (J0IP0)

189 Remember when the Bush FBI went into Congressman Money-in-the-Freezer's office and Hastert said he thought it violated the sanctity of Congressional offices?

I bet this is why. At the time it made me mad because people were always all over Bush and it was just one ore way to criticize him.
But now it makes sense. Hastert had something to hide, too.

Posted by: MayBee at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (owMUc)

190 other things (generally involving the word "Kardashian"

Kylie is pregnant!!11!

Posted by: wooga at May 28, 2015 07:06 PM (0GAfQ)

191 I've probably committed a few felonies just typing this.

Posted by: california red at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (UyEG4)

192 The guitar wood was Indian Rosewood.

Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (+jijM)

193 180

That's probably correct.

Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (RJMhd)

194 Why is it that it's not popular knowledge that, with our form of government, every new law passed diminishes our freedom?
----------------

Every time the government is granted power to do something for you, it is granted power to do something to you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (F2IAQ)

195 This isn't about the cash


They want to expose who he was paying off and why

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 07:08 PM (zOTsN)

196 "I know you're just doing your job Officer but I don't care to say anything until my attorney is present.

Also, I have prostate problems and IBS and I'm about to go uncontrollably on your cruiser seat."

Posted by: Richard Nixon at May 28, 2015 07:08 PM (maLc1)

197 >>You did read the story about the NC store owner, no?
At a minimum, he is out the $35,000 in legal costs it took to recover his money

That's the one I was referring to. And it took him a hell of a long time to get his $100K that the feds took from him.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 07:08 PM (g1DWB)

198 I've known a few um distributors

generally not smart, but the big ones always were sharp as tacks. they always keep up on laws and quickly change methods. so i would not doubt the law catches a lot fewer of the intended targets than expected

Posted by: Tony Montana at May 28, 2015 07:08 PM (Cq0oW)

199 I wonder if Gibson wouldn't donate to someone.


Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:02 PM (ahBY0)


Their big boss is somewhat conservative.

What happened to them in that case was all types of illegal. I followed it closely since I'm a musician and also was in manufacturing for many years.

It was totally bullshit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (0HooB)

200 @181 - a million in the bank...so it's a crime to have it in a checking account instead of in some kind of liquid mutual fund in a brokerage account?

I can think of a number of friends and acquaintances locally whose career peak has been middle-management, who've managed a couple decent investments and I'd expect they'd have a million in fairly liquid investments.

Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (o+SC1)

201 192 The guitar wood was Indian Rosewood.
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 28, 2015 07:07 PM (+jijM)


I have a chess set whose black pieces are Indian rosewood. They're gorgeous.

I bought it in the 80s. I sure hope there's a statute of limitations.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (sdi6R)

202 And so we should nothing about any particular bad laws then? Okaay.



Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 06:54 PM (pAlYe)

Nice strawman. All I said is I am not going to worked up over Hastert getting PMITA prison for breaking a law, that he appears to have actually broken, just because it is Hastert, or because this law is particularly loathsome one. It isn't.
The problem is not this law. It is that there are so many bad laws, coupled with the lack of accountability that allows political motivation (or any motivation, really) to dictate who the LE apparatus is to be wielded against. It's a systemic problem.
Clearing this one bad law, a symptom, off the books, by itself, does nothing.

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (ecDRv)

203 I just assume all IL pols are corrupt.

Posted by: IL Resident at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (SggMI)

204 Wouldn't it be hilarious if the money went to The Clinton Foundation

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (zOTsN)

205 Fireproof/tamper proof safe. The Bank Armory of Cheri. Cash in banks are just for rent, groceries, etc. I dont want to be reliant on atms/banks if the shit hits the storm and the government gets to decide how much of our own money that we can be allotted.

Posted by: Cheri at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (ZFPMM)

206 I deposit cash on a weekly basis, $700 to $1k. Nice to know that this will make me a target. Every penny gets reported. Maybe I should invest small lengths of PVC, end caps and a shovel instead.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (3F6F8)

207 Bank Secrecy Act of 1970

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act

With the Republicans regularly renewing and extending the law.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

__________________________


The Patriot Act greatly expanded it, I can't copy and paste the section that deals with it but basically "suspicious" transactions over $5,000 be reported

http://tinyurl.com/nvfwv5l

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (6ssh2)

208 No, I am not blaming clinton completely, but he definitely was part of the problem.

It was war on drugs mostly, but there is an odd thing the democrats do -- they have an ideology that should stand against certain things, but they are all craven and they know their ideology is hated by anyone with a brain. So the tend to cave on just the issues where they should be relevant.

I remember tipper gore trying to ban records. Or clinton going all in on the drug war, or kerry, et al gung ho for invading iraq.

They are craven pecksniffs.

The worst is that they always turn it around and blame the republicans for what they supported or did.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (LWu6U)

209 152 a) No Federal agency shall engage in 'structuring'
or 'asset forfeiture' enforcement except in conjunction with criminal
charges.



b) State or local entities engaging in asset-forfeiture actions
without corresponding criminal charges shall be presumed to have engaged
in fourth amendment violations, my administration will expect such
States to curtail such actions and, should they not do so, any Federal
funding to that state and related entities will be curtailed.



Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (o+SC1)

Better as I posted the other day when the 107,000 story broke
a) No Federal agency shall engage in 'structuring'
or 'asset forfeiture' enforcement except in conjunction with criminal
charges
conviction.



b) State or local entities engaging in asset-forfeiture actions
without corresponding criminal charges convictions shall be presumed to have engaged
in fourth amendment violations grand theft and will be charges with multiple felonies, my administration will expect such
States to curtail such actions and, should they not do so, will be prosecuted and jailed



Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 28, 2015 06:56 PM (o+SC1)fixed by Vic

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:10 PM (GpgJl)

210 Pickett's charge failed. The path from the little grove of trees cut to here has been tortuous.

Posted by: torabora at May 28, 2015 07:11 PM (F4BuZ)

211 Not in cash I haven't.

I'm pretty sure that the reporting requirements apply to any transaction, even bank-to-bank. I could be wrong about that, though. But I have taken to heart the admonition to never google something first heard about on the AOSHQ, no matter how innocuous it sounds.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:11 PM (J0IP0)

212 The guitar wood was Indian Rosewood.

Ordered and delivered to an engineering specification which was met.

The feds had no legal basis for doing what they did, yet they came in with guns drawn, confiscated the wood and intimidated the employees. Every fed who was even remotely connected with that incident should be in jail still.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:12 PM (0HooB)

213 If a dollar isn't a 4th secured paper in my pocket because it's always the Feds they've abused another one of the points of THE Reserve Currency. Nobody but apparatchiks are going to like that.

Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2015 07:12 PM (DL2i+)

214 How do the cartels launder money? Banks for 500 Alex please.

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (DUbQO)

215 Oh, i forgot to say, the record store owner -- he was charged with structuring because his monday morning deposits were almost always in the 7-9K range.

Unless it was a busy week, then it was over 10k.

Clearly he had conspired with his customers to insure that his weekly receipts were under the reporting limit.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (LWu6U)

216 libertarians think we have too many laws
democrats think we don't have enough laws
and republicans think we have just the right amount of laws no matter how many the democrats just added

Posted by: X at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (xGNLA)

217 The Clinton's know all about laundering money

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (zOTsN)

218 @8: "Do the Feds accept 'Fuck you, that's why' when they ask you why you took out the money?"

Depends. Are you Bill Gates, George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Clinton, or of their ilk? Then yes, yes we do. If not, then not so much.

Posted by: Forever Bothering Individuals (formerly just Italians) at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (amQXf)

219 I bought it in the 80s. I sure hope there's a statute of limitations.

Don't travel out of the country with it.

Numerous guitarists have had their antique guitars confiscated upon re-entering the country thanks to that idiotic law.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:15 PM (0HooB)

220 affect someone skirting laws about finance reporting.

What part of BS skirting of BS reporting did you miss?

Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2015 07:15 PM (DL2i+)

221 Is it illegal to pay blackmail now? Sheesh!

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 07:16 PM (vmMMi)

222 Their big boss is somewhat conservative.



What happened to them in that case was all types of illegal. I
followed it closely since I'm a musician and also was in manufacturing
for many years.



It was totally bullshit.

I didn't follow it as closely as you but it smelled fishy from the start.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:16 PM (ahBY0)

223 X at May 28, 2015 07:13 PM (xGNLA)

Libertarians also slobber over Ron Paul in a cult like fashion and that boy ain't right in the head.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (g1DWB)

224 I have a chess set whose black pieces are Indian rosewood. They're gorgeous.
I bought it in the 80s. I sure hope there's a statute of limitations.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:09 PM (sdi6R)


Probably legal to possess but you may not be able to sell or transfer them to someone else or take them out of the country and return without some paperwork proving their age. This is true of ivory and a good number of other protected animal and plant products.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (pAlYe)

225 @27: "My fantasy is that if I ever when the lottery, I would take out huge
amounts of cash and hand it out to those who I believe need it. So, now I
could go to jail for it?"

No, the bank just has to report that you made said huge withdrawals. If, however, you keep taking out amounts of cash just under the reporting limit, that could land you in the hoosegow.

Posted by: Forever Bothering Individuals (formerly just Italians) at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (amQXf)

226
Defendant continued to withdraw cash in increments of less than $10,000. Defendant provided that cash in an increment of $100,000 at prearranged meeting places and times.




Regular meetings with dufflebag stuffed with $100k in cash for someone from your high-school coaching days.

Yeah, perfectly innocent.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (kdS6q)

227 Indian Rosewood was what I thought I remembered too.
Beautiful stuff.

And if old guy memory serves, their export/ import papers were in order and they got their wood back.
Always those pesky legal fees you're out thought.

And yes, conservative ownership.
I get 4 Taylor guitar magazines a year. Pretty sure Bob Taylor, well, I'm all for proper stewardship but he likes the word sustainable just a bit much for my taste.

Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 07:17 PM (qyZxC)

228 $3.5M has to be for a bit more than groping.

Posted by: Duggar Family Dumbass at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (3b9U4)

229 This is a paperwork crime.

They obviously ALREADY KNOW that you took out money...or how else could they charge you with structuring? They're just pissed you didn't fill out a form admitting it.

They know what you didn't report. WTF.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (X/+QT)

230 As per usual, the feds are investigating the wrong crime. What they should be investigating is how a guy making no more than 200 grand a year for 20+ years has enough cash lying around to pay 1.7 million in hush money.

Posted by: You read about me in a Faulkner novel; you saw me once in a Williams play at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (oca9z)

231 179 Maet,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuring#United_States



Title 31 of the USC, section 5324, provides (in part):


No person shall, for the purpose of evading the reporting
requirements of section 5313 (a) or 5325 or any regulation prescribed
under any such section, the reporting or record keeping requirements
imposed by any order issued under section 5326, or the record keeping
requirements imposed by any regulation prescribed under section 21 of
the Federal Deposit Insurance Act or section 123 of Public Law 91-508-

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (ecDRv)

232 218
@8: "Do the Feds accept 'Fuck you, that's why' when they ask you why you took out the money?"


That's what he should have done and he could have avoided this absurd charge.

But the law is written in a way that encourages people to NOT deal in increments of greater than $10,000 in cash.

A bank is required to WARN YOU when you ask for over $10,000 that they have to fill out a federal form.

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:19 PM (6ssh2)

233 Hell, blackmail money got me my start in politics. The coach and the principle and the priest set me up for life!

Posted by: Richard Nixon at May 28, 2015 07:19 PM (maLc1)

234 I was also reading somewhere that if you decide to take that nice old acoustic out of the country it can be confiscated for the banned woods on it. Fucked up if it is true.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:19 PM (ahBY0)

235 Title 31 of the USC, section 5324, provides (in part):
No person shall, for the purpose of evading the reporting
requirements of section 5313 (a) or 5325 or any regulation prescribed
under any such section, the reporting or record keeping requirements
imposed by any order issued under section 5326, or the record keeping
requirements imposed by any regulation prescribed under section 21 of
the Federal Deposit Insurance Act or section 123 of Public Law 91-508-
Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:18 PM (ecDRv)


Yes but when was that part added to the law or was it originally part of the BSA? That's the question.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:19 PM (pAlYe)

236 10 I don't think I have ever withdrawn or deposited over $10,000.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:27 PM (3A2nj)

I've definitely deposited it but not cash.

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 07:20 PM (vmMMi)

237 And yes, conservative ownership.
I get 4 Taylor guitar magazines a year. Pretty sure Bob Taylor, well, I'm all for proper stewardship but he likes the word sustainable just a bit much for my taste.


He's been pushing that for a while, as you probably know, teej.

It didn't matter. Politics trumps law these days.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:20 PM (0HooB)

238 135 3
Shit some banker old me the new trigger is $4,000.



Posted by: River Guide at May 28, 2015 06:25 PM (RJMhd)

Originally it was $10K and structured withdrawals were amounts up to that but not over to avoid the reporting requirements. They have abused it around now to make it anything they want. But if you are above 10K it is then the responsibility of the bank to report it.

It is sure as hell not illegal to make withdrawals above 10K which he did. I have also done that every damn time I have bought a new car. This is a BS charge and unless they can prove blackmail, which he isn't charged with this case will go in the shitter
And it does prove one thing, you can still indict a ham sandwich, especially if it has an R after its name and you have a Democrat AG.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party


I was told over a decade ago by a Prosecutor working with the DEA that the trigger was $3,800 or thereabouts. That was the level to attract notice at least--not the legal reporting level but the point where the DEA is notified that something may or may not be happening. And from what I can gather the "structuring" law is not a law at all but a regulatory statute that is also quite arbitrarily being applied. I think it started very much like the way the IRS trains its' investigators that everyone under investigation is hiding at least $25,000 in tax fraud, those filthy citizens.

Posted by: Daybrother at May 28, 2015 07:21 PM (z6eC3)

239 Patriot Act and it's renewals -- which Hastert supported.

Well if you're going to get hoisted your own petard is the best choice.

Posted by: DaveA at May 28, 2015 07:21 PM (DL2i+)

240 Wouldn't it be nice if our leaders had the same laws to follow as we did?

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (DUbQO)

241


I'm interested in learning how a retired Congressman had a million bucks in his checking account. Sweet, sweet lobbying money?

Posted by: MTF


Lobbying for Turkey at $35,000 a MONTH.

And Laurie David, "pellucid" means "translucent" not "transparent"

Posted by: imp at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (XIXZz)

242
Is it illegal to pay blackmail now? Sheesh!
Posted by: Lea



Point of order, it's not "blackmail" unless you're asking for payment under threat of disclosing information.

Say it the right way, "hey -- remember when you were my 8th grade wrestling coach and used to pull my package like a hunchbacked bell-ringer? Weird times. By the way, I'm starting up a home based business. Care to invest?", and you're clear.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (kdS6q)

243 With interest rates for the last 10 years it would be better to stuff it in your mattress and withdrawal any amount you want whenever.

Posted by: skip at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (7L9rc)

244 >>As per usual, the feds are investigating the wrong crime. What they should be investigating is how a guy making no more than 200 grand a year for 20+ years has enough cash lying around to pay 1.7 million in hush money.

Retiring pols are allowed to keep their campaign contributions and use them for anything that isn't judged personal. And I do mean anything.

An ex-Speaker must have had a shitload of cash in his slush fund.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (g1DWB)

245
Did we get all our harrumphs out?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (iVfu6)

246 The last time we withdrew money to buy a car the teller recommended we withdraw it as a cashier's check made out to the car dealership. That was specifically so when reported where it was going would be nice and clear.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (GpgJl)

247 BTW, why won't this website allow you to copy and paste small sections of text?

Is there a workaround besides just typing it out manually?

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (6ssh2)

248 Hastert's family money was in farmland around Plainfield, which is now a suburb of Naperville. Now that land is subdivided and built up. I think they still own a very large restaurant (White Fence Farm). Hastert has/had a lot of money aside from his salary.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 28, 2015 07:23 PM (MIKMs)

249
With Hastert indicted for structuring, it's only a matter of time before Bill, Hill, and The Chelsea are indicted for same.

Did banks automatically file with Treasury the documents required when the grifter's deposited or received wire transfers greater than 10K?

Doubtful I will live long enough to see the results of my inquiry.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (P330y)

250 The process is the punishment.

Prosecutors have too much discretion and not any supervision.

NONE.

And lots and lots of reasons to skirt the spirit of the laws.

Just ask Eric Holder. That's if he'll grant an interview.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (zRby/)

251 FBI guy: So, you've made 107 cash withdrawals in one month, all a few dollars less than 10 grand, is that right?

Hastert: yes.

FBI guy: why

Hastert: I'm stashing the money because I don't trust banks.

FBI guy: Well ok then. Sorry to have bothered you.

Posted by: You read about me in a Faulkner novel; you saw me once in a Williams play at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (oca9z)

252 247 BTW, why won't this website allow you to copy and paste small sections of text?
Is there a workaround besides just typing it out manually?
Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (6ssh2)


It's usually the hyperlinked comment number that screws things up. The are browser plug-ins that let you copy as plain text or you can just copy everything except the comment number.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (pAlYe)

253 246
The last time we withdrew money to buy a car the teller recommended we
withdraw it as a cashier's check made out to the car dealership. That
was specifically so when reported where it was going would be nice and
clear.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

And you could make a case that you were conspiring to evade the reporting requirement and structuring the payment to avoid detection.

That's why it's an absurd charge, it's too arbitrary when financial institutions actively try and find ways for customers to not hit those limits.

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (6ssh2)

254 *FLUSH* Aaaaand THERE goes consent of the governed. This is going to get very ugly, I fear

Posted by: acethepug at May 28, 2015 07:25 PM (WK825)

255 Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 06:35 PM (g1DWB
Apparently lots of business insurers only cover 10k in cash theft. So some store got busted on this law a while back because when they got closer to the insurance limit they'd make a bank run.

Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at May 28, 2015 07:25 PM (s92xH)

256 The process is the punishment.
Prosecutors have too much discretion and not any supervision.
NONE.
And lots and lots of reasons to skirt the spirit of the laws.
Just ask Eric Holder. That's if he'll grant an interview.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That

Jon Doe in Wisconsin was unavailable for comment. Gag order & all.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 28, 2015 07:25 PM (tgnRB)

257
So if I understand this correctly first of all the IRS is getting annoyed at him for making withdrawals of his own money at 50k a pop. They then question him about it, feed-bait him with an easy line to agree with "your doing this cause you do not like the banking system right?" "yeah that is what I'm doing". (dumb - this is where you close your mouth and call a lawyer) Its fairly clear they already knew where the money was going. Then in response to that visit he starts taking out money in smaller amounts, so then they charge him with structuring and making false statements.

I have zero like for Mr.Hastert, but what's the actual crime here (yes I know all about the bs that is structuring), taking his own (already taxed) money out to give to someone else? Shouldn't they be going after the blackmailer, either for blackmailing him or for not reporting that income, or at least be going after Hastert for whatever he's being blackmailed about with regard to this "bad act" against the blackmailer?

Considering the repeated use of "years ago" sounds like statutes have run out on whatever it might have been, assuming whatever it was that happen to even be illegal in the first place. 3.5mil, that's a lot of dough just to keep someone quite if they can't legally harm you, I mean even if I fathered some kid long ago or something it's not exactly worth 3.5mil to keep that from my current wife. I mean how loaded is this guy, that's gotta be a decent chunk of change for him no? Must have been something pretty good.

What's funny is, if during their visit he just said "none of your gd business you may leave now", and then kept doing 50k withdrawals they couldn't do sh1t to him, it's the change to less than 10k increments after they spooked him that they're trying to get him on. Clearly this was their intent when they approached him, and if I were on the jury i'd see this whole thing as entrapment no matter if he technically broke the law or not, and while Hastert is a total douche-bag and probably a corrupt as hell one at that, that's a different issue for a different indictment.

Support S.255
Support H.R. 540
http://walberg.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fairacthouse.pdf

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:26 PM (MbrzC)

258 The Clinton's know all about laundering money>>>

Ancient Chinese Secret.

Posted by: Jailgone at May 28, 2015 07:26 PM (+exqw)

259 @234- It's true dartist.

Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 07:27 PM (qyZxC)

260 Vic- I bought a used truck and withdrew $5500. The Credit Union acted all kinds of bitchy about it. Next time we need notice blah blah.

Guess I get a clue why now.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 28, 2015 07:27 PM (i7JE3)

261 And you could make a case that you were conspiring
to evade the reporting requirement and structuring the payment to avoid
detection.

That's why it's an absurd charge, it's too arbitrary
when financial institutions actively try and find ways for customers to
not hit those limits.


Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:24 PM (6ssh2)

No, the withdrawal was much greater than 10K so we all knew it would be reported. The cashier's check made out to the car dealer would show it was going to a legitimate buisness.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:28 PM (GpgJl)

262 Ancient Chinese Secret.

Gree See Pom.

You're soaking in it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:28 PM (0HooB)

263 That fat Slob Hastert should go to jail for 100 years along with Bush.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (lNSdJ)

264 Josh Earnest " It is not our responsibility to provide for the security of Iraq".

Posted by: Ben Had at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (5fxme)

265

It is not blackmail to offer to settle a potential legal action for money without the filing of litigation. Confidentiality can be a term of that agreement as well.

If there was a settlement agreement, even if private, and it was an agreement to release all claims in exchange for payment, that is perfectly legitimate.

If such a thing happened, and if it was because of a little nambla type action, then Hastert deserves every ounce of pain he gets, but the victim was not blackmailing him at all.

Posted by: imp at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (XIXZz)

266 Really this is no different from living in North Korea or Cuba. There it is illegal to openly criticize the government so no one criticizes it even in private just in case. Here it is illegal to move your money around in a way the government doesn't like or even to carry lots of cash. So what happens when people can't speak up politically, can't handle their money as they see fit, have no privacy and have zero trust in State or Federal government LE?
Because we are there now.

Posted by: Daybrother at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (z6eC3)

267 TL;DR at this point, but has the question been asked and answered how they knew he had multiple sub $10K withdrawals unless they were checking for sub-$10K withdrawals?

Oh and BTW FU Denny for not fixing this shit while you were a part of it.

Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (jWtyG)

268 My guess is he's been paying Boehner so that he'll go down in history as only the second worst Republican SoH.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (nFdGS)

269 Off topic, or maybe not -

Mrs. FireHorse is reading an article to me about the Ernest Hemingway cat place in Key West, how the Department of Agriculture is trying to regulate the joint and sending in undercover agents.

She says it's from The New York Times from 2012, now on Facebook - I don't know - maybe this is something, maybe not.

If American civilization is swirling down the toilet, I hope our successor at least likes kitties. I'm siding with the Russians.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (lHZsI)

270 260
Vic- I bought a used truck and withdrew $5500. The Credit Union acted
all kinds of bitchy about it. Next time we need notice blah blah.

Guess I get a clue why now.


Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 28, 2015 07:27 PM (i7JE3)

Credit unions don't keep a lot of cash around. If you go back and review your sign up documents you will find they do require advanced notice of large withdrawals.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:30 PM (GpgJl)

271 258 The Clinton's know all about laundering money>>>
Ancient Chinese Secret.
Posted by: Jailgone at May 28, 2015 07:26 PM (+exqw)


Yes the ancient Chinese secret of shell companies and simply not reporting certain sketchy foreign donations.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:30 PM (pAlYe)

272 229
This is a paperwork crime.

Solzhenitsyn wrote all about paperwork crimes in Gugag. Like seamstress storing pins in newspaper and hitting stalins photo three pages down.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 28, 2015 07:30 PM (LWu6U)

273 Check your character set being used. Sometimes browsers will misread what the HQ is outputting.

And also what you're pasting may be in the wrong character set.

Whenever I run into this it's usually that so I play with the character set settings and sometimes it works and sometimes it don't.

Pixy is inscrutable at times.

Like your Uncle Melvin who came back from the war and was not the same person.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 07:30 PM (zRby/)

274 246 The last time we withdrew money to buy a car the teller recommended we withdraw it as a cashier's check made out to the car dealership. That was specifically so when reported where it was going would be nice and clear.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (GpgJl)



I did that last summer without being told. It seemed like a no-brainer. And I have the receipt in case anyone asks.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (sdi6R)

275 This stuff is my day job. If you want the long grotesque details I'm more than happy to dish. Let me know,

Before blaming Dems for this, the Bank Secrecy Act (inder which all of this happens) was signed by Nixon in 1970. The $10,000 cash threshold was established then and, if indexed to the CPI, would be roughly $60,000 today.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (WI6nT)

276 5 Basically being indicted for following the law.
-----
It's ironic that at first he was following the even the asinine laws, till they got in his face an spooked him about it, only then did he actually break the bs law.

btw HR.540 and S.255 are not full repeals, they are however good bills that would otherwise shield most people from this bs along with the related asset forfeiture that usually comes along with it. In a sane world both bills would pass both houses nearly unopposed, instead they are lingering in committee with no action since introduction.


Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (MbrzC)

277 At his age it must be some big shit to pay that much to keep quiet.

I don't even know if kid-diddling outside statute of limitations would be worth that.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (QYTDr)

278 Isn't there also an " caught with too much of your own mobey in cash" law?

Posted by: steevy at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (mGBKM)

279 Define "large".

$5500 is a large withdrawal for me but doesn't seem like much for a CU to handle.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 28, 2015 07:32 PM (i7JE3)

280 @234- It's true dartist.

Damn. I believe that would be the day I'd go to jail for assaulting a peace officer.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:32 PM (ahBY0)

281 Clowns. We're surrounded by clowns.

@thinkprogress 7m
Sorry, Jeb, scientists know humans caused all our recent warming


Raging, greasy clowns.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 07:32 PM (uctT+)

282 I remember when I made millions from that job, even though I made thousands.

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:33 PM (DUbQO)

283 269 Mrs. FireHorse is reading an article to me about the
Ernest Hemingway cat place in Key West, how the Department of
Agriculture is trying to regulate the joint and sending in undercover
agents.



She says it's from The New York Times from 2012, now on Facebook - I don't know - maybe this is something, maybe not.



If American civilization is swirling down the toilet, I hope our successor at least likes kitties. I'm siding with the Russians.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 07:29 PM (lHZsI)

That action has been going on for a long time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:33 PM (GpgJl)

284 "and, if indexed to the CPI, would be roughly $60,000 today.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (WI6nT) "
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And if full repeal is a no-go, that right there, indexing it to cpi would at least be a good amendment to add to the above bills to further return some sense of sanity to the situation.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (MbrzC)

285 Update -

Mrs. FireHorse says the Hemingway place won their thing against the government so the cats stay.

Guess I'll stick with America.

(Anyone know if Pataki likes cats?)

Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (lHZsI)

286 was signed by Nixon in 1970

The more I read about Nixon's legislation while in office, the more I wonder why he wasn't a Democrat.

And the more I'm glad that he was thoroughly disgraced. If he hadn't been, the press and Democrats would always be comparing Republican candidates to Richard price-controls Nixon.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (J0IP0)

287 "Before blaming Dems for this, the Bank Secrecy Act (inder which all of this happens) was signed by Nixon in 1970. The $10,000 cash threshold was established then and, if indexed to the CPI, would be roughly $60,000 today."

All legislation should include period automatic sunsets. Force the bastards to up and go on the record for reauthorization, at least.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (noWW6)

288 >>@thinkprogress 7m
Sorry, Jeb, scientists know humans caused all our recent warming

Seeing as how the planet has warmed in at least the last 15 years, ok.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (g1DWB)

289
This is a paperwork crime.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest



There's also the lying to the FBI. Got him on that too and also proves intent:

Specifically, in response to the agents question confirming whether the purpose of the withdrawals was to store cash because he did not feel safe with the banking system, as he previously indicated, JOHN DENNIS HASTERT stated: Yeah... I kept the cash. Thats what Im doing.

Such an obvious leading question, God, what an idiot.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (kdS6q)

290 No, the withdrawal was much greater than 10K so we
all knew it would be reported. The cashier's check made out to the car
dealer would show it was going to a legitimate buisness.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

What I'm saying is, if a customer wanted to buy a car with say $20,000 cash and the teller talked them into a cashiers check instead in order to avoid filling out a form with the Feds, you could make a case that the person was actively trying to structure his transactions in a way that avoided detection.

It's absurd and the transaction was completely legal, but how is that any different than Hastert being told "if you go over $10,000, I'm going to have to report you" and instead he withdraws $9,000? And then getting charged with trying to avoid the $10k limit

The law is being arbitrarily imposed on a crime that is probably committed thousands of times a day in banks across America


Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (6ssh2)

291 Sunsetting is what did away with the "Assault Weapons" idiocy.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (zRby/)

292 All legislation should include period automatic sunsets.

It ought to be able to garner a supermajority to avoid sunset, too, in my opinion. If the legislation works well, it should be more popular after being passed than when it was passed.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (J0IP0)

293 235 Maet,
http://www.tba.org/journal/dividing-your-deposits-is-a-federal-crime

In 1986 Congress criminalized currency structuring in the Money Laundering Control Act.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_Laundering_Control_Act

PUBLIC LAW 99-570-OCT. 27, 1986


Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (ecDRv)

294 The democrats hated Nixon, and he gave them everything they wanted. They hated him because he was anti-communist. Yet they love JFK.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (KKMQQ)

295
All legislation should include period automatic sunsets. Force the bastards to up and go on the record for reauthorization, at least.
Posted by: torquewrench




The Bank Act had a sunset provision. The damned fool Republicans keep renewing and "improving" it.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (kdS6q)

296 Before blaming Dems for this, the Bank Secrecy Act (inder which all of this happens) was signed by Nixon in 1970. The $10,000 cash threshold was established then and, if indexed to the CPI, would be roughly $60,000 today.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (WI6nT)


But did the original BSA also make it a crime to deliberately structure your transactions to avoid the cash reporting threshold? I strongly suspect that this was a later addition sometime in the 80s or 90s..

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 28, 2015 07:37 PM (pAlYe)

297 What I'm saying is, if a customer wanted to buy a car with say $20,000
cash and the teller talked them into a cashiers check instead in order
to avoid filling out a form with the Feds, you could make a case that
the person was actively trying to structure his transactions in a way
that avoided detection.


Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (6ssh2)



You misunderstand the law. He can't avoid making a notice to the feds for the withdrawal, but he can include in the report that it was a check to a car company.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:38 PM (GpgJl)

298 The democrats hated Nixon, and he gave them everything they wanted. They hated him because he was anti-communist. Yet they love JFK.
Posted by: Victor Lozencowski

JFK never exposed that commie-rat traitor Alger Hiss, so there's that.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 28, 2015 07:38 PM (tgnRB)

299 "I don't even know if kid-diddling outside statute of limitations would be worth that.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 07:31 PM (QYTDr) "
----

I agree. That said I'm not 73, married with family and still "in the game" as a lobbyist make tons of loot. I assume that's what these "bad acts" might be, and 3.5m vs future earnings reduced or eliminated might be worth it for him, but then I don't know what his net worth is, how valuable his present job is. But he can't have too many more working years so if I was him I'd be like unless you got pics...go ahead pal see who believes you after 10,20 years whatever, the time to screw me over was when I was speaker, you snooze you lose.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM (MbrzC)

300
The US Government hates the Hemingway cats because they're fancy cats with six toes. And they live in Key West, a noted center of rebellious right wing activity.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM (P330y)

301 Washington D.C. is nothing but clown fuckers on both sides of the aisle. I'm afraid we're the clowns.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM (ucDmr)

302 dartist- friend of mine who travels says taking one of his isn't worth the hassle of all the paperwork you have to have with you.

Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM (qyZxC)

303 290
What I'm saying is, if a customer wanted to buy a car with say $20,000 cash and the teller talked them into a cashiers check instead in order to avoid filling out a form with the Feds, you could make a case that the person was actively trying to structure his transactions in a way that avoided detection.

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:35 PM (6ssh2)



I think that's a bit of a stretch. Both the withdrawal by the buyer and the deposit by the car dealer are completely transparent. Nobody is trying to conceal anything.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:41 PM (sdi6R)

304 Does this at least mean that we won't have to Hastert as a Fox News analyst anymore?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 28, 2015 07:41 PM (nFdGS)

305 Didnt Nixon open up China? Our new overlords. Party be damned. They screwed us all

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:41 PM (DUbQO)

306 >>>All legislation should include period automatic sunsets.

>>>It ought to be able to garner a supermajority to avoid sunset, too,



Yes. Yes. Yes.

Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 07:42 PM (jWtyG)

307 Time for me to shut it down for the night. Goodnight Morons

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 28, 2015 07:42 PM (GpgJl)

308 Goodnight, Vic.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:43 PM (sdi6R)

309 Well the fone needs charging and there's a couple of walleye fillets in the fridge just begging to be dipped in egg/milk, covered in Harold Ensley's coating and layer in some hot oil so...

Love each other fellow babies

Posted by: teej at May 28, 2015 07:43 PM (qyZxC)

310 You misunderstand the law. He can't avoid making a
notice to the feds for the withdrawal, but he can include in the report
that it was a check to a car company.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

It's CASH that's reported, unless the law has changed.

I worked at a bank in the 90's when I was in college, and it was only for cash transactions that we had to fill out the form.

If you deposited a $10,000 check from a car you sold, you didn't report squat to the federal government.

If you deposited $10,000 in cash, you did have to report it to the Feds

If that's changed, I'm open to being educated, but I would think banks would just be filling out forms all day to the federal government if it was ALL transactions

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:44 PM (6ssh2)

311 I suppose the democratic operative blackmailer is being indicted as well? I would like to know what carries the heavier penalty, withdrawing your own money from a bank or not reporting income on your tax return.

Posted by: doug at May 28, 2015 07:44 PM (IYEs/)

312 Posted by: flounder


Thanks.

Posted by: Daybrother at May 28, 2015 07:44 PM (z6eC3)

313 " Didnt Nixon open up China?"

Yep. Stunned everyone when he did it. "Only Nixon could go to China" they all said.

If we knew then what we know now. . .

Poor guy, just wanted to be liked. and the more he tried to get people to like him, the more they hated him. He got us out of Vietnam, 'peace with honor' he said. They hated him for it.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 07:45 PM (KKMQQ)

314 dartist- friend of mine who travels says taking one of his isn't worth
the hassle of all the paperwork you have to have with you.

What scares me is people not in the biz who would walk right into losing some sweet playing thing that you would damn near trade your mother for. Very fucked up.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:45 PM (ahBY0)

315 With interest rates for the last 10 years it would be better to stuff it in your mattress and withdrawal any amount you want whenever.

Posted by: skip at May 28, 2015 07:22 PM (7L9rc)

Im pretty sure thats illegal too.

Posted by: bernverdnardo at May 28, 2015 07:48 PM (WhfU/)

316
Wrestling Hall of Fame Inductee: Dennis Hastert

Former Speaker of the House of the United States Congress, received the Sport of Lincoln Award for meritorious service to the sport.

And there's a Dennis Hastert Yorkville Invitiational Wrestling Tournament.

Those will be going bye bye.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:48 PM (kdS6q)

317 I won't be shedding any tears over a member of the Ruling Class being hoisted on their own petard either. By the way what kind of pension and health care bennies is Hastert knocking down?


Yesterday I was listening to the charges against the FIFA executives and thinking what pikers they are compared to our own Criminal Government Cabal. Clinton's anyone?

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 07:48 PM (8zCR+)

318 ...withdrawing your own money from a bank...



Rot in hell anyone that passed/supported this legislation, in a position to change but passively condones it, or enforces it. Not hyperbole.

Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 07:49 PM (jWtyG)

319 I think that's a bit of a stretch. Both the
withdrawal by the buyer and the deposit by the car dealer are completely
transparent. Nobody is trying to conceal anything.

Posted by: rickl

But that's my problem, the idea that the law is being applied because he's "probably up to no good" is too arbitrary.

Sort of like a Tea Party group files as an exempt organization with the IRS is "probably up to no good" in some bureaucrats eyes so they apply extra scrutiny that they normally wouldn't.


Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:49 PM (6ssh2)

320 I strongly suspect that this was a later addition sometime in the 80s or 90s..
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oct27th 86' and added too since in 92' 94', 2001, 2004

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:50 PM (MbrzC)

321 @31: "It's not just this. It's everything. Asset seizure, regulation taking
the place of law making to avoid the constitution, enforcement arms of
virtually all government agencies, exemptions from laws for law makers,
executive overreach, and the list goes on and on."

Or. as was stated by the Continental Congress on July 6, 1775:

"Parliament was influenced to adopt the pernicious
project, and assuming a new power over them, have, in the course of eleven
years, given such decisive specimens of the spirit and consequences
attending this power, as to leave no doubt concerning the effects of
acquiescence under it. They have undertaken to give and grant our money
without our consent, though we have ever exercised an exclusive right to
dispose of our own property; statutes have been passed for extending the
jurisdiction of courts of admiralty and vice-admiralty beyond their
ancient limits; for depriving us of the accustomed and inestimable
privilege of trial by jury, in cases affecting both life and property; for
suspending the legislature of one of the colonies; for interdicting all
commerce to the capital of another; and for altering fundamentally the
form of government established by charter and secured by acts of its own
legislature solemnly confirmed by the crown; for exempting the "murderers"
of colonists from legal trial and, in effect, from punishment; for
erecting in a neighboring province, acquired by the joint arms of Great
Britain and America, a despotism dangerous to our very existence; and for
quartering soldiers upon the colonists in time of profound peace. It has
also been resolved in Parliament that colonists charged with committing
certain offenses shall be transported to England to be tried . . . They boast
of their privileges and civilization and yet proffer no milder conditions
than servitude or death."



Posted by: Forever Bothering Individuals (formerly just Italians) at May 28, 2015 07:50 PM (amQXf)

322 The US Government hates the Hemingway cats because they're fancy cats with six toes. And they live in Key West, a noted center of rebellious right wing activity.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 28, 2015 07:39 PM
________

That, and because Ernest Hemingway's wishes are being fulfilled as pertains to his property and his cats.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 07:51 PM (r5Qcm)

323 313
Poor guy, just wanted to be liked. and the more he tried to get people to like him, the more they hated him. He got us out of Vietnam, 'peace with honor' he said. They hated him for it.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 07:45 PM (KKMQQ)



I read that one night, he went out to meet with some young protesters, sort of on the "down low" without making a big show of it. I don't know if they were antiwar protesters or not. It was a valiant effort, but it didn't seem to help him.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:51 PM (sdi6R)

324 War on Drugs + IRS = We are all up in your shit 24/7/365

Posted by: bernverdnardo at May 28, 2015 07:51 PM (WhfU/)

325
But that's my problem, the idea that the law is being applied because he's "probably up to no good" is too arbitrary.
Posted by: McAdams




Well, there's always been prosecutorial discretion and indictments do have to go thru a grand jury.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:52 PM (kdS6q)

326 #SmertPowah

@IraqiSecurity
#Baghdad is burning. Multiple car bombs have struck the capital, targets include the Sheraton Hotel. Many casualties.
2:55 PM - 28 May 2015

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 07:52 PM (uctT+)

327 OK, banksters, I have to babysit my Little G'Dette.

Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 28, 2015 07:53 PM (0HooB)

328 So, I know that any withdrawal over $10K is reported.


So I take out $6-$8 always with a story. Traveling, etc.


Last month bank said they did not have $8K in 100's. WTF?



I said get them, I'll be back. Very Very strange. They got them.


So my money can not be taken out?


Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 07:53 PM (0FSuD)

329 Well, there's always been prosecutorial discretion and indictments do have to go thru a grand jury.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 07:52 PM (kdS6q)



They arrest the money.

Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 07:54 PM (wkuqO)

330 "All legislation should include period automatic sunsets. Force the bastards to up and go on the record for reauthorization, at least.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 28, 2015 07:34 PM (noWW6) "
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Agree 99.82% of the time, I reserves the other 0.18% for things that aren't coming to mind but where we all might agree maybe they should require a vote to actually get rid of them, they should be few and far between, cause if our laws are so great people should have no problem re-authorizing them every ~10 (or less) years.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:55 PM (MbrzC)

331 I have one acronym for you:
RICO

RICO laws are the most outrageous bullshit out there -- can't get sufficient evidence to indict suspect X? Just idict him for crimes committed by people X knows and call it racketeering.

Repeal RICO and make the government prosecutors Do THEIR JOBS building actual cases about actual crimes committed by the perp they're prosecuting

Posted by: Dancing Queen at May 28, 2015 07:55 PM (K/p7v)

332 If that's changed, I'm open to being educated, but I would think banks would just be filling out forms all day to the federal government if it was ALL transactions

Pretty sure it's automated. There appear to be multiple requirements.

One for everyone, which is $10,000 and only involving cash:

http://hoboes.com/irs-cash-10k

And one for banks only, which is $5,000 and involves anything:

http://hoboes.com/banks-5k

Au revoir, mes abrutis.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 28, 2015 07:56 PM (J0IP0)

333 flounder at May 28, 2015 07:36 PM (ecDRv)
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darn you beat me too it

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 07:56 PM (MbrzC)

334 319
But that's my problem, the idea that the law is being applied because he's "probably up to no good" is too arbitrary.

Posted by: McAdams at May 28, 2015 07:49 PM (6ssh2)



I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the cash reporting law. It's just that when I bought a new car last year, I went to my bank and had a cashier's check for the exact amount made payable to the dealership. I wasn't trying to evade reporting. I just didn't see the point in bringing a suitcase full of cash to the dealership when the cashier's check was much simpler. It was also safer in case I got robbed along the way.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 07:57 PM (sdi6R)

335 Shorter rant:

What has Hastert done to further the cause of individual liberty and constitutional governance? *crickets*

Yeah, fuck him on these admittedly BS charges.

What's that? Diddling kids, too. Fuck him with the barbed cock of Satan. Put him in general.

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:57 PM (ecDRv)

336 Sins of the father visit all. You know how that goes. Well you should. Because you are living it. And I'm not talking religion.

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 07:58 PM (DUbQO)

337 If this isn't a bill of attainder what is it?

Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 07:58 PM (wkuqO)

338 Last month bank said they did not have $8K in 100's. WTF?

I had that problem with 4k two times. Very pissy about giving to me. I made them give me the bands for it just to spread a little more happiness.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:58 PM (ahBY0)

339 10k, 9k, 4k, over the limit, under the limit, probable cause, yadda yadda.

The real outrage is the turning of justice on its head.

We'll confiscate your shit, you can't stop us, and you have to prove your shit is innocent before you can get it back.
Money and personal property can not be guilty of anything! It's fucking property, and the notion is absurd on the face of it.
This may have started with the best intentions, but it's become State-sanctioned theft.

Sherriff of Nottingham lives again.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 07:59 PM (XmOA9)

340 Some shit just hit the fan- Baghdad under the same style attack as Ramadi. Earnest gave Iraq up today in the press briefing. Taking bets on evacuation of the Embassy. Ain't gonna be #twoweeks.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 28, 2015 07:59 PM (5fxme)

341 "No person shall for the purpose of evading the reporting requirements of section 5313(a) with respect to such transaction"


"For the purpose of evading . . . ." is the operative clause.

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 08:00 PM (ecDRv)

342 @ 296 Matenloch:

The underbelly of BSA cash reporting regs is the thing known as the Suspicious Activity Report (SAR). Back in the early days it was known as the Report of Apparent Crime, but since day one of the BSA era banks have been required to snitch on customers when their cash deposit/withdrawal patterns are "incongruous for their known income and expense streams". The meat of any bank BSA examination is the discussions with management over what they originally flagged as suspicious but chose not to report on a SAR and exactly why they did not. Lots of docs needed to establish why a SAR was not filed. In Denny Hastert's case, it's pretty obvious that numerous SARs were filed. They're filed with FinCEN (part of Treasury) and splashed around to all of the Federal 3-letter agencies.

@ 310 McAdams:

You are correct. All of these regs look only to cash. Check/wire/ACH transactions are not subject to the BSA Currency Transaction Report rules.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:00 PM (WI6nT)

343 Did it get posted here that Obama has told Iraq explicitly that they are responsible for their own security?

We're not going to do it for them, he said, just today.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:00 PM (KKMQQ)

344 They arrest the money.

Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 07:54 PM
________

I never understood that. Even a for-real drug dealer, busted with a warrant and caught red-handed with a houseful of drugs - they take the drugs and the "drug money" as evidence.

Take the drugs; fine. That's evidence. But how can money itself be evidence of anything?

Worse, how can anyone with a conscience say "he'll just use that money to buy a slick lawyer to beat the charges" as a justification to seize the money?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 08:01 PM (r5Qcm)

345 FWIW, I'm no fan of BSA and hate having to do a BSA exam. It's part of the day job and there are times when I just have to suck it up and pretend I like it.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:01 PM (WI6nT)

346 It's part of the day job and there are times when I just have to suck it up and pretend I like it.
Posted by: Captain Ned

I know what that's like.

Posted by: Huma at May 28, 2015 08:02 PM (tgnRB)

347 "
335 Shorter rant:

What has Hastert done to further the cause of individual liberty and constitutional governance? *crickets*

Yeah, fuck him on these admittedly BS charges.

What's that? Diddling kids, too. Fuck him with the barbed cock of Satan. Put him in general.

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 07:57 PM
----

I get that that's a feel good response, and one we all probably share to a degree, but it doesn't help anyone, bet to use this turd's event to benefit the rest of us and get these laws removed or significantly amended. Besides we all know if this was actually doing that (pure speculation on my part) it's now very likely gonna come out and he'll 'get' his.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:03 PM (MbrzC)

348 #SmertPowah



@IraqiSecurity

#Baghdad is burning. Multiple car bombs have struck the capital, targets include the Sheraton Hotel. Many casualties.

2:55 PM - 28 May 2015

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 07:52 PM (uctT+)


Is the JV team making a move on Baghdad?

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:03 PM (8zCR+)

349 I never understood that. Even a for-real drug dealer, busted with a warrant and caught red-handed with a houseful of drugs - they take the drugs and the "drug money" as evidence.




Don't look for justice or even logic. Politicians and lawyers enough said.

Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 08:03 PM (wkuqO)

350 suck it up and pretend I like it.


Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:01 PM (WI6nT)
*Sighs* Me too.


Posted by: Denny Hastert at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (ecDRv)

351 While we at it lets bring back the $500 bill, 'cause freedom

Posted by: tmitss at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (Pa9vP)

352 So any check I get over $1K I ask for cash, 100's please.



My Well Faro branch has figured it out. I want cash,



Every month or so I get lots of CASH. So I guess I am going to jail?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (0FSuD)

353 Every month or so I get lots of CASH. So I guess I am going to jail?
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (0FSuD)


No. well, maybe but not for that.

Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (wkuqO)

354 >>"For the purpose of evading . . . ." is the operative clause.
Posted by: flounder


I know what you mean but that is horseshit in and of itself. It is no g'damn business of anyone else what I do with my money. Especially not the governments.

Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (jWtyG)

355 My goal, get six figures in the gun safe.


Half way there.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (0FSuD)

356 You know

We still have our guys over there

"Training" them

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:07 PM (zOTsN)

357 two words:


Swiss francs ( no EU bullsh*t )


or Norge kroner; that works, too

Posted by: Lou Reed, life coach to the stars at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (8CdUx)

358 "We'll confiscate your shit, you can't stop us, and you have to prove your shit is innocent before you can get it back.
Money and personal property can not be guilty of anything! It's fucking property, and the notion is absurd on the face of it.
This may have started with the best intentions, but it's become State-sanctioned theft. "
----Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 07:59 PM (XmOA9)
---
Absolutely.

Thing is it never had the best of intentions.
At least S255 and H540 address the whole "You money is guilty first until you prove otherwise". It flips the script on that to money back in 14-days unless we can prove to judge a direct connection to illegal acts in a clear and convincing way.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (MbrzC)

359 "Is the JV team making a move on Baghdad?"

According to Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty, Iraq lifted a curfew to restore a sense of normalcy. Car bombings have increased since then.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (KKMQQ)

360 344
I never understood that. Even a for-real drug dealer, busted with a warrant and caught red-handed with a houseful of drugs - they take the drugs and the "drug money" as evidence.

Take the drugs; fine. That's evidence. But how can money itself be evidence of anything?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 08:01 PM (r5Qcm)



Similarly, the reasoning for "no-knock" raids is to keep the perp from flushing his stash while the police announce their presence and wait for him to open the door.

I always thought, "So what if he does flush his stash? The goal is to get the drugs off the street, isn't it?"

They could just go around knocking on random doors, yell "POLICE!" and move on to the next house while the paranoid perp flushes his stash. Problem solved.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (sdi6R)

361 God bless our people in peril

Who will be used, murdered, forgotten and lied about

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (zOTsN)

362 Mrs. FireHorse says the Hemingway place won their thing against the government so the cats stay.
**

Oh good! The Hemingway house plus cats was the best thing about key west when I went.

Ot, I am watching the movie beastmaster which I found really entertaining as a kid. We will see how it holds up!

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (vmMMi)

363 I get that that's a feel good response, and one we
all probably share to a degree, but it doesn't help anyone, bet to use
this turd's event to benefit the rest of us and get these laws removed
or significantly amended.




Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:03 PM (MbrzC)

Agree to some extent. Point stands. I'll not get bent about this one law, because the opportunity presents itself with an interesting back story.

And what about all of our pains that our betters don't feel or explicitly exempt themselves from? Obamacare? Insider trading? Etc.? Are we to patiently hope that one by one they are inconvenienced by "laws for little people," so that we may finally get some regulatory relief?

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (ecDRv)

364 My goal, get six figures in the gun safe.


Half way there.


Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (0FSuD)


You might not want to keep it all in one place, just sayin'.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (8zCR+)

365 @99: "
t if the police should happen to find it for some reason, they can
confiscate it. Because having cash makes you suspicious. Then you have
to prove it isn't drug money to get it back.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 06:40 PM (sdi6R)



I would burn it instead.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:43 PM (kCLGY)"
Destruction of currency is a crime, comrade. We win, you lose. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Forever Bothering Individuals (formerly just Italians) at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (amQXf)

366 "We're not going to do it for them, he said, just today.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:00 PM (KKMQQ) "
---
Yes but did he preface it with "let me be clear?", if he did then you know he'll do an about face on it in less than a month.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (MbrzC)

367 It is no g'damn business of anyone else what I do with my money. Especially not the governments.

Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (jWtyG)

Agreed without reservation.

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (ecDRv)

368
Beastmaster with Marc Singer?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (iVfu6)

369 @352:

No. as you've established a pattern and you're not taking more than $10K nor are you purchasing "monetary instruments" (money orders the like) over $3K for cash (the "monetary instrument log" we require depository institutions to keep).

Go out of that pattern and you'll likely have a SAR filed on you. Here's the insidious nature of SARs. You cannot be informed of it; in fact the bank will be severely punished through massive fines (and, recently, criminal penalties) if it's found that they disclosed the fact of a SAR filing. Under the BSA regs banks have an absolute safe harbor against tort actions for filing the SAR in the first place. They cannot be sued, period, for filing a SAR no matter how much it may fuck up your life.

Would you like to play a game?

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (WI6nT)

370 They are doing this because they want to reveal who he is paying and why


It has nothing to do with the money

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (zOTsN)

371 My wife's family told me that in the soviet union, every one stored large amounts of cash in the flat in the old days. Because if you withdrew a large amount of money from your bank account you were immediately under suscpicion by the authorities (black marketing, fleeing the country, etc..). There was nothing to buy in the shops, so there was no reason to make large withdrawls.

We're almost there.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (NbYHH)

372
Marc Singer was in V, I think. And again in the remake of V, I think.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (iVfu6)

373 I guess having three sides of Ramadi surrounded left room for IS to take its roadshow to Baghdad. T he GCC is collectively shitting their pants about now.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (5fxme)

374 Who will be used, murdered, forgotten and lied about
Posted by: Thunderb
------

Not me! I will be celebrated...., already have been.

Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (F2IAQ)

375 Its so bad I almost welcome an earth shaking even here in Cali to sift everything out

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (DUbQO)

376 351 While we at it lets bring back the $500 bill, 'cause freedom

Posted by: tmitss at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM
---

I see no reason not too.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:12 PM (MbrzC)

377 I wonder what the Republican pres candidates would say about this.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 28, 2015 08:13 PM (ZoySm)

378 Hastert is collateral damage in War on Drugs

Posted by: tmitss at May 28, 2015 08:13 PM (Pa9vP)

379 Car bombings have increased since then.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:09 PM (KKMQQ)
----

So "the car bombing will continue until moral improves" I guess.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (MbrzC)

380 FTSB - Very Good Counter-Balance to the Various Paulite Claims About the Patriot Act, by Andy McCarthy


Andy McCarthy is so good at making all this super surveillance stuff seem normal and prudent. It takes an act of will to say 'No, Andy. You're wrong, on first principles. We are America, we don't spy on the law-abiding.'

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (rwI+c)

381 @364


A good point. I figure I am going for weapons and the cash. Both in gun safe.



Where the hell else should I keep it? Mattress?


Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (0FSuD)

382 Yes but did he preface it with "let me be clear?", if he did then you know he'll do an about face on it in less than a month.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt
------------------------

Or use the word "period".

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (F2IAQ)

383 Indicted for withdrawing money while Republican.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:15 PM (oKE6c)

384 "
They could just go around knocking on random doors, yell "POLICE!" and move on to the next house while the paranoid perp flushes his stash. Problem solved. "
---
Be far cheaper and involve a whole lot less dead people, particularly innocent dead people.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:15 PM (MbrzC)

385 280 @234- It's true dartist.

Damn. I believe that would be the day I'd go to jail for assaulting a peace officer.
Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 07:32 PM (ahBY0)

They aren't peace officers anymore. Haven't been for some time.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 08:16 PM (dXn35)

386 I guess having three sides of Ramadi surrounded left room for IS to take its roadshow to Baghdad.

The administration's plans are working as intended.

Posted by: Earnest Joshington at May 28, 2015 08:16 PM (W5DcG)

387 @337: "
If this isn't a bill of attainder what is it?"

It's nowhere near a Bill of Attainder - those effectively make outlaws out of your entire family simply because they are related to your traitorous ass (i.e., they have tainted blood). Not that you are a traitor, but if you were....

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 28, 2015 08:16 PM (amQXf)

388 8 Do the Feds accept 'Fuck you, that's why' when they ask you why you took out the money?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 06:26 PM (oVJmc)



Tell them you withdrew the money to donate to the DNC, but now you've changed your mind.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:16 PM (oKE6c)

389
Where was Haster when obama and Soros and the Democrats fucked us over?

Yeah, exactly.

Hastert is a totalitarian collaborator and he can eat shit and die. Aye, it could be me next. That doesn't mean I have to stand by Hastert or any of the Republican fucks.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (iVfu6)

390 351 While we at it lets bring back the $500 bill, 'cause freedom
Posted by: tmitss at May 28, 2015 08:04 PM (Pa9vP)



One day, my face will be on the trillion dollar bill.

Posted by: Pres. Barky at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (sdi6R)

391 They could just go around knocking on random doors, yell "POLICE!" and move on to the next house while the paranoid perp flushes his stash. Problem solved.

It's better than raiding the wrong house and shooting a seven year old girl in the head, I suppose.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (dXn35)

392 Similarly, the reasoning for "no-knock" raids is to keep the perp from flushing his stash while the police announce their presence and wait for him to open the door.


Bullshit! Everything they say is bullshit. First, it was to equalize force against "kingpins" like tony montana, who have armies of armed goons hanging around.
The public noticed that kingpins weren't being taken down.
Then, they retreated to the bullshit of not wanting dealers to flush their stash. Look, it you can flush your stash that quick, you're not a bigtime dealer.
Now, it's all about officer safety, wherein initiating violence, confusion and terror on the perps makes them less likely to fight back, and officer safety makes it home after his shift.

It's all bullshit.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 08:19 PM (XmOA9)

393 Tell the Feds you're withdrawing the money to send to Mexico, as you're an illegal alien who hasn't paid a fcuking dime in taxes.


They'll apologize, and be on their way.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:19 PM (oKE6c)

394 Where the hell else should I keep it? Mattress?




Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (0FSuD)


Diversification ain't just for investments. You can save a lot of money in small bills, 20s, 10s and 5s.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (8zCR+)

395 Meanwhile, big D John Corzine lost $10 billion of investor money while at the helm of a hedge fund. When congress asked where it all went, he shrugged his shoulders and said "I dunno..."
And then congress sad, well, Ok, good enough! Have a nice day now, John!
But withdrawing $9000 a few times of your own money? Indicted? Yeah, some of these government apparachiks really need to spend the rest of their lives in jail where they can do no more harm.

Posted by: Fred B at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (zLson)

396 One day, my face will be on the trillion dollar bill.
Posted by: Pres. Barky at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (sdi6R)


I think I saw your face on a Zimbabwe zillion dollar bill.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (W5DcG)

397 One day, my face will be on the trillion dollar bill.

Posted by: Pres. Barky at May 28, 2015 08:17 PM (sdi6R)


Only if it's two-ply.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (oKE6c)

398 A good point. I figure I am going for weapons and the cash. Both in gun safe.



Where the hell else should I keep it? Mattress?

Another hidden fireproof safe for the time when they bust into your house and ask you if you have any other safes at gunpoint. There's a bunch concealed safes out there for sale.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (ahBY0)

399 I think it was teh Duck at the jokeocracy twitter who said, he wouldn't mind Harriet Tubman on the $20, but he'd totally support Beyonce on the $100.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 08:22 PM (AVEe1)

400 "And what about all of our pains that our betters don't feel or explicitly exempt themselves from? Obamacare? Insider trading? Etc.? Are we to patiently hope that one by one they are inconvenienced by "laws for little people," so that we may finally get some regulatory relief?

Posted by: flounder at May 28, 2015 08:10 PM (ecDRv)
"---

No. But there has been a decent amount of coverage of the average joe getting Screwed by "structuring" in the last several weeks and months even the dope J.Oliver did 20min on asset forfeiture angle on this stuff. I'm just saying throw this on top of the pile of examples that are becoming wave and ride it in for some meaningful action (yeah I know I doubt it to but it's worth a shot). While the other stories may not have gotten some of the pol's attention this one might have them perking up, if for no other reason then they're scumbags, know they're scumbags and might want to protect themselves from the same BS happens to them when they get blackmailed 5 years from now.

/just saying: Milk it for whatever it can be milked for is all.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:23 PM (MbrzC)

401 Also FTSB - Lab-Grown Burger Meat Could Be As Cheat As $12 Per Pound in a Year



ISWYDT

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:23 PM (rwI+c)

402 Christian Science Monitor : Radically changed Pentagon view of Civilian casualties.

http://tinyurl.com/op2hnfk

See also, Baltimore : (The Blaze) West Baltimore residents worry they've been abandoned by the officers they once accused of harassing them, leaving some neighborhoods like the Wild West without a lawman around.

http://tinyurl.com/osg98ub

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (KKMQQ)

403 Sorry, had to leave and come back,

Executive summary?
Pretty please?

Posted by: Oleg Casio at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (85ldL)

404 He should've put his money in an off-shore account in Cyprus.

Oh wait

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (Uk9e2)

405 That bomb at the Sheraton Hotel in Baghdad was pretty big


Huge crater

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (zOTsN)

406 368
Beastmaster with Marc Singer?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (iVfu6)

Yes. I was about to say 'is there another one' but I remembered they did a show.

So far, it's mark wondering around in a loincloth flexing his muscles and hanging with ferrets but the redhead just showed up now...

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 08:26 PM (vmMMi)

407 Also FTSB - Lab-Grown Burger Meat Could Be As Cheat As $12 Per Pound in a Year



Bullshit. It's Soylent Green. We all know it. It's how Obolacare is going to keep costs down: turn the old and sick into "Lab-Grown Burger Meat."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:26 PM (oKE6c)

408 According to Wiki (I know, I know) he withdrew ca. $950 K, so it's as though he was hitting up the ATM, and does indeed sound suspicious. You can get a hell of a lot of lap dances for $950 K ... I'm told.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:28 PM (oKE6c)

409 It's how Obolacare is going to keep costs down: turn the old and sick into "Lab-Grown Burger Meat."

Like the siege of Leningrad, soon no one will ask where the cheap "hamburger" is coming from.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:29 PM (rwI+c)

410 370 They are doing this because they want to reveal who he is paying and why

It has nothing to do with the money
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:11 PM (zOTsN)
----
They couldn't be more clear about that if they tried. ha ha


--
You're wrong, on first principles. We are America, we don't spy on the law-abiding.'

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:14 PM (rwI+c)
---
Agree and McCarthy and many others are out to with regard to that and related topics.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:29 PM (MbrzC)

411 Hairy Reed couldn't come up with the cash..., look what happened.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 08:29 PM (F2IAQ)

412 Long pig.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:29 PM (WI6nT)

413 "Diversification ain't just for investments. You can save a lot of money in small bills, 20s, 10s and 5s."

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM
________

And Coinstar receipts. And hardcover copies of "My Life" by Bill Clinton, which is used as money in Africa, I think.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (r5Qcm)

414 We use your dead as vessels, also as tasty sausage.

Posted by: Mr Hand at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (rwI+c)

415 That bomb at the Sheraton Hotel in Baghdad was pretty big


Huge crater

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:25 PM (zOTsN)

I'd like to give a shit, for no other reason than good men sacrificed a lot to secure Iraq. But the Shitmidas chose otherwise, and now it's chaos.

Given their 1400 year record of barbarism, perhaps the best thing is to let them all go to war with each other, and pacify the survivors when they tire of the killing. But I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (XmOA9)

416 I saw some discussion about the lab-grown burger meat earlier today, but I was at work and didn't have time to participate.

It's interesting. I'm not concerned about the price, because it will certainly come down in the future.

People become vegetarians for several reasons. A big one is not wanting to kill animals. Artificial meat eliminates that objection.

On the other hand, there is still a lot that we don't know about nutrition. Artificial meat might lack something that we don't realize we need.

Combine artificial meat with 3D printing, and we're approaching Star Trek replicator technology. It could also be very important for Mars colonization.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (sdi6R)

417 "It's better than raiding the wrong house and shooting a seven year old girl in the head, I suppose. "
---
or throwing a flashbang into a toddlers crib, disfiguring it with burns.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:31 PM (MbrzC)

418 As long as Iraq going to hell doesn't reflect poorly on Lord Obama, all is well.

We all know his principal enemy is the America we love, not ISIS.

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 08:32 PM (Uk9e2)

419 You can get a hell of a lot of lap dances for $950 K ... I'm told.


Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:28 PM (oKE6c)


For $950 K you should get something better than lap dances.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:32 PM (8zCR+)

420 So has anyone heard from Girl Genius Samantha Power? Or has she been kicked too far upstairs for us mere mortals?

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 08:32 PM (Uk9e2)

421 He gave a person from his hometown 3.5 million

For past "misconduct"

Almost a million of that is the subject of these criminal charges

This isn't about the money. It is the administration wanting to reveal the underlying act. If they could've charged him with something on that they would have. Obviously they can't. Which means the statute of limitations has passed or some other bar to prosecution

It's in Illinois. Who is from Illinois? Who some how magically gets sealed court records and publishes them?

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (zOTsN)

422 Opening a dust-covered bottle of Cuervo tequila from (trumpets blare) 1973!!!

Report back in a second.

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (jBuUi)

423 For $950 K you should get something better than lap dances.

950 trips to the Champagne Room, or so I've heard.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (rwI+c)

424 Combine artificial meat with 3D printing, and we're approaching Star Trek replicator technology. It could also be very important for Mars colonization.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (sdi6R)


Don't forget sex dolls! Now with real flesh?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (XmOA9)

425 I don't want lab grown meat. Disgusting.

All the 'science' people want to ignore what humans have been eating for our entire existence.

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (vmMMi)

426 I thought that they have had some immortal chicken breast growing for 30 years in a vat. Or is that some story I read?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:34 PM (rwI+c)

427
422 Opening a dust-covered bottle of Cuervo tequila from (trumpets blare) 1973!!!

Report back in a second.
Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (jBuUi)

Sharing is caring.

Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (MQEz6)

428 or throwing a flashbang into a toddlers crib, disfiguring it with burns.



Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:31 PM (MbrzC)


But those cops had to get home to their families, feared for their lives, blah blah blah.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (8zCR+)

429 Lab meat will be as tasty as hydroponic tomatoes

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (zOTsN)

430 Conclusion:

Crap $1.79 tequila that was barely palatable in 1973 remains barely palatable in 2015.

It does not get better with age.

Ugh.

Also: Wham!

On the other hand, it is 90 proof, so feels like a burro kick to the cabeza.

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (jBuUi)

431 Posted by: Mr Hand at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (rwI+c)

Daddy !

Posted by: Hand baby at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (W5DcG)

432 Diversification ain't just for investments. You can save a lot of money in small bills, 20s, 10s and 5s.




Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:20 PM (8zCR+)

You make joke. 20's are FIVE times smaller than a 100 bill.

So $50K in 20's would be FIVE times a big. Hello.

I am not talking about small change here.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (0FSuD)

433 Lab Grown Meat is the next Tang, baby.

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (Uk9e2)

434 According to Wiki (I know, I know) he withdrew ca. $950 K, so it's as though he was hitting up the ATM, and does indeed sound suspicious. You can get a hell of a lot of lap dances for $950 K ... I'm told.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 28, 2015 08:28 PM
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No need for wiki

It's all here:
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2089603/hastert-indictment.txt

50k's - No legal problem but irs got curious
<10 - after they spooked him.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (MbrzC)

435 I hope you're sitting down...

@RedStateJake 27m
#America's senior General says we had NO response plan for ISIL's takeover of Mosul.

http://to.pbs.org/1dAJBO2

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 08:36 PM (uctT+)

436 Woa, they just straight up threw a child into a fire as a sacrifice on this movie. I wonder if that was cut out of the tv version I used to watch?

But mark singer has nice abs.

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 08:36 PM (vmMMi)

437 It could also be very important for Mars colonization.

The Russians will just bring some pigs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:37 PM (rwI+c)

438 So if he would have withdrawn 20,000 at a time and it was reported what would be the downside?

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 28, 2015 08:37 PM (BoJzR)

439 "It's in Illinois. Who is from Illinois? Who some how magically gets sealed court records and publishes them?

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:33 PM (zOTsN) "
---
Time to gear up for the GOP's War On Boys.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (MbrzC)

440 I am trying to fashion a passable cocktail out of this spoiled agave juice, but it is not easy. But, as it is my job, I shall prevail!

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (jBuUi)

441 430
Crap $1.79 tequila that was barely palatable in 1973 remains barely palatable in 2015.

It does not get better with age.

Ugh.

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM (jBuUi)/i]


Having had some experience with it in college, I'm afraid of tequila.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (sdi6R)

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (sdi6R)

443 On the other hand, there is still a lot that we don't know about nutrition. Artificial meat might lack something that we don't realize we need.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:30 PM (sdi6R)
________

Like vitamin D. Egg yolks and sunshine are cheap, easy, natural sources of vitamin D and we've been told to avoid them both.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 28, 2015 08:39 PM (r5Qcm)

444 People become vegetarians for several reasons. A big one is not wanting to kill animals. Artificial meat eliminates that objection.

Posted by: rickl


No, the biggest reason is so that they can remind everyone within earshot every 15 fucking minutes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 08:39 PM (uctT+)

445 Having had some experience with it in college, I'm afraid of tequila.
Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:38 PM (sdi6R)

442
Posted by: rickl


I can see that you're still tipsy from it, all these years later!

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:39 PM (jBuUi)

446 So everyone's in agreement that this is a bad law because of the potential for government abuse...among other things.


Now go read that atrocious article by Andy McCarthy in the sidebar labeled "Very good counterbalance" about the PArtiot Act.


Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 28, 2015 08:40 PM (xSCb6)

447 rickl - Not to stir the pot, but 1915 Model T, vs. Tesla Model S in 765 mile 'race' over public roads. The S wins..., by 10 minutes. Interesting read:

http://tinyurl.com/q2353xn

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 08:40 PM (F2IAQ)

448 437 It could also be very important for Mars colonization.

The Russians will just bring some pigs.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:37 PM (rwI+c)



While they have accomplished many things in space, the Russians have an almost unbroken record of failure on Mars missions. It's really remarkable. They're jinxed or something.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:41 PM (sdi6R)

449 Who some how magically gets sealed court records and publishes them?

Six of one. Seven of nine.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 08:41 PM (W5DcG)

450 When I take out cash I always have a story. Going to Europe, buying a car, hookers need cash.



OK last one is BS. I simply take out cash slowly. I still think the assholes have me on their list.


Also, transferring funds from other accounts? Under $10K, I get cash.



Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:41 PM (0FSuD)

451 Crap $1.79 tequila that was barely palatable in 1973 remains barely palatable in 2015.



It does not get better with age.

It does if you pour it into those little oak kegs and can wait a few weeks. 2 of my brothers swear a cheap bottle of tequila gets better than most anything you can buy here. I hate the shit.

Posted by: dartist at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (ahBY0)

452 444 People become vegetarians for several reasons. A big one is not wanting to kill animals. Artificial meat eliminates that objection.

Posted by: rickl

No, the biggest reason is so that they can remind everyone within earshot every 15 fucking minutes.
Posted by: weft cut-loop


Hey, not all of us vegetarians are assholes.

SOme of us never ever bring it up in public.

I don't eat meat because I feel healthier when I avoid it.

But I'm not a vegetarian for political reasons.

And as for everyone else? Eat all the meat you want! Why should I care?

See?

I should start a blog: The Libertarian Vegetarian.

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (jBuUi)

453 "But those cops had to get home to their families, feared for their lives, blah blah blah.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:35 PM "
---
Yeah everytime I hear the safety of my officers or lines like that I want to bitch slap who ever is saying it.
They've abused that card like Rev Al has abused the race card, boys in blue who called wolf once too often.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (MbrzC)

454 I've driven a Model A, but never a Model T with it's weird planetary transmission. I would like to though.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (6H5fA)

455 @438 Cruzinator:

The IRS would know (through the Currency Transaction Report process) that he regularly withdrew large amounts of cash. The IRS would then audit him, suspecting that the cash was being paid to someone else, to see if he'd filed Form 1099 on any "vendor" which received more than $600 in any given tax year.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (WI6nT)

456 Interesting timing, Zombie. I just bought a bottle of tequila this afternoon and sampled it this evening - Neither I nor my parents had ever had it before.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 28, 2015 08:43 PM (a42f0)

457 the Russians have an almost unbroken record of failure on Mars missions

Bad batteries.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 08:43 PM (6H5fA)

458 Iran wins again as they get the nukes and the shite half of Iraq. The Iranians don't give a shit about IS 'cause now they can just nuke them and cure the Sunni problem as well.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 28, 2015 08:44 PM (AI1gr)

459 Sounds like he was drawing out large sums of money

Drew federal attention

Then drew out several small sums of money

Then was interviewed by the FBI

And lied to them somehow

They want to reveal what misconduct is worth 3.5 million

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (zOTsN)

460 Nip, you can accumulate some large in small bills over time. It takes some work but you will be under the radar, so to speak.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (8zCR+)

461 #America's senior General says we had NO response plan for ISIL's takeover of Mosul.
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That I would absolutely totally believe, either because of incompetence or more likely a CIC that didn't want any focus paid to such problems what so ever.
Now if they said Baghdad that would, certainly at this point if not a year or two ago be worthy of some firings (besides the CIC which should go without saying).

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (MbrzC)

462 Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (WI6nT)

Thanks. Now I see why a safety deposit box is desirable.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 28, 2015 08:46 PM (BoJzR)

463 " "Very good counterbalance" about the PArtiot Act. "
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Very good garbage.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:46 PM (MbrzC)

464 452
And as for everyone else? Eat all the meat you want! Why should I care?

See?

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:42 PM (jBuUi)/i]


Live and let live. What a radical concept.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:46 PM (sdi6R)

465 456 Interesting timing, Zombie. I just bought a bottle of tequila this afternoon and sampled it this evening - Neither I nor my parents had ever had it before.
Posted by: Grey Fox


Cosmic coincidence!

Mine has a complicated backstory. Personally, I would never voluntarily go out and buy tequila, but this is part of an experiment.

For me, my liquor of choice is the unexpected...(drum roll)... rum!

No one ever says rum.

It's trendy to say whiskey and bourbon.

But a good rum is nature's way of saying "Get drunk."

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (jBuUi)

466 You'd think the Gov. would have better things to do but... REPUBLICAN!

Posted by: donna at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (Bn6aD)

467
Again.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (sdi6R)

468 #America's senior General says we had NO response plan for ISIL's takeover of Mosul.

Do they have a plan for the possible evacuation of the embassy in Iraq, or is that considered too unlikely to spent time on?

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (KKMQQ)

469 And lied to them somehow

They want to reveal what misconduct is worth 3.5 million
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (zOTsN)


Never talk to the feds without a lawyer present.

Posted by: Martha Stewart at May 28, 2015 08:48 PM (wkuqO)

470 Live and let live. What a radical concept.
Posted by: rickl


Still tipsy, I see!

Man, that was some powerful tequila you drank back in college.

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:48 PM (jBuUi)

471 "Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (zOTsN) "
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Good timing too, we all know how Barry likes to lash out when he's under pressure\criticism from the press.... oh look over here at this shiny object!

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:49 PM (MbrzC)

472 Nah, it's the bourbon I'm drinking tonight, most likely.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 08:49 PM (sdi6R)

473 Tapper just tweeted that Hastert started paying the person after he became a lobbyist

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 08:49 PM (zOTsN)

474 Pentagon plan for the evacuation of US Civilians from Iraq :

First, go to airport.
Second, get on airplane.
Third, airplane takes off and fly away to safety.
Fourth, have a parade and photo op.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:51 PM (KKMQQ)

475 @405: "That bomb at the Sheraton Hotel in Baghdad was pretty big"

Yes. Yes, it was.



"Huge crater"

I see bigger every morning when I shave.

Posted by: Robert Davi at May 28, 2015 08:51 PM (amQXf)

476 "Do they have a plan for the possible evacuation of the embassy in Iraq, or is that considered too unlikely to spent time on?

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 08:47 PM (KKMQQ) "
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No matter what anyone says I know for a fact they do, or I should say I know that in July of last year they did, along with the assets to effect that evac, one would imagine even a semi-sane administration\Pentagon has only sure'd up and refined such plans since then.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:52 PM (MbrzC)

477 473 Tapper just tweeted that Hastert started paying the person after he became a lobbyist

Worlds going to hell in a hand basket and they dwell on this..... How about Hillary!

Posted by: donna at May 28, 2015 08:52 PM (Bn6aD)

478 Speaking of booze, I just found out that cachaša is just rum from Brazil.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 08:53 PM (uctT+)

479 If we don't have and enforce these drug laws, then people will use drugs and that will cause problems.

Wait.

Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 08:53 PM (MQEz6)

480 He should be called President Marvel. Every day amazing things happen that I would have thought impossible in my teens and 20s.

Posted by: John Boehnbag at May 28, 2015 08:54 PM (cIoI4)

481 473 - I know, it's all in the indictment text, started in 2010.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:54 PM (MbrzC)

482 In Peruvian Hastert means squirrel.

Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 08:55 PM (MQEz6)

483 If y'all want to get rid of BSA and its nosiness into things (I believe, despite the day job) the Federal Gov't has no business in, the only way to do so is to end the War on Drugs (hey, the WoD and BSA both come from Nixon!!).

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:55 PM (WI6nT)

484 In Peruvian Hastert means squirrel.
-----

Things that make you mmm.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:56 PM (MbrzC)

485 The plains states are getting hammered with storms again, though mostly in rural areas for now.

They should hit Dallas/Ft. Worth in the next couple of hours and later on pass through Austin, San Antonio, and Houston. OKC and Tulsa had storms this morning but may get hit again tonight.

I blame Bush.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 28, 2015 08:57 PM (0RdKg)

486 "In 2008, Mexican scientists discovered a method to produce tiny, nanometer-sized synthetic diamonds from 80-proof (40% alcohol) tequila, which has the optimal range of water to ethanol for producing synthetic diamonds. This process involves heating the tequila to over 800 ░C (1,400 ░F) to break its molecular structure and be vaporized into gaseous hydrogen, carbon, and various simple molecules. The carbon molecules are then settled upon steel or silicon trays to form a thin and pure uniform layer."

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:57 PM (jBuUi)

487 @435: "America's senior General says we had NO response plan for ISIL's takeover of Mosul."

Strongly-worded e-mails take time to compose, you know.

Posted by: John "Metternich was an amateur" Kerry at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (amQXf)

488 So the Clinton crime family just rolls right along and they come up with this bogus crap on a Republican. uhuh

Posted by: freaked at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (JdEZJ)

489
If y'all want to get rid of BSA and its nosiness into things (I believe,
despite the day job) the Federal Gov't has no business in, the only way
to do so is to end the War on Drugs (hey, the WoD and BSA both come
from Nixon!!).


Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 08:55 PM (WI6nT)


And the EPA! Why do leftists hate Nixon again?

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (8zCR+)

490 His is the name not to be named.

Posted by: Fiorina Lovecraft at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (3F6F8)

491 go mmm... errr

483 - You'll get no significant objection from me on ending the "War on Drugs", to quote Harry Reid "This war is lost".

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (MbrzC)

492
Never talk to the feds without a lawyer present at all.

Posted by: Martha Stewart at May 28, 2015 08:48 PM (wkuqO)
......
18 USC ž 1001

Posted by: Marovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 28, 2015 08:58 PM (bLnSU)

493 482 In Peruvian Hastert means squirrel gerbil.

Fix't

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 08:59 PM (AVEe1)

494 478 Speaking of booze, I just found out that cachaca is just rum from Brazil.

Posted by: weft cut-loop


Nope.

Close, but not quite.

While both made from sugar-cane, rum is aged, whereas cachaša is just fresh fermented juice.

Posted by: zombie at May 28, 2015 08:59 PM (jBuUi)

495 Hillary! Maybe had a hand in this "distraction.?"

Posted by: donna at May 28, 2015 08:59 PM (Bn6aD)

496 447 rickl - Not to stir the pot, but 1915 Model T, vs. Tesla Model S in 765 mile 'race' over public roads. The S wins..., by 10 minutes. Interesting read:

http://tinyurl.com/q2353xn
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 28, 2015 08:40 PM (F2IAQ)



LOL. That's like the tortoise vs. hare race.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:00 PM (sdi6R)

497 *withdraws $10 from ATM and starts to drive off*

*screeching tires, sirens, lights*

"GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR OR I'LL BLOW YOUR GODDAMN HEAD OFF!"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 28, 2015 09:00 PM (oFCZn)

498 488 - Works every time, unless world events (that they actually do want to cover) massively get in the way.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (MbrzC)

499 Who knew about this Hastert thing and when did they learn about it?

Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (MQEz6)

500 Brazilians have a wonderful expression. They say to speak from the heart you sometimes "have to wet the words", meaning have some drinks

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (zOTsN)

501 Denny Hastert. Loved his work in Major League and 24.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (JO9+V)

502 >>Hey, not all of us vegetarians are assholes.

In my experience it's the vegans who are a$$holes. They confuse their eating habits with saving mother earth.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (q6kiT)

503 @452: "Hey, not all of us vegetarians are assholes."

Ja, but after me, you've all got a stain on you. Bitte schoen.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler at May 28, 2015 09:01 PM (amQXf)

504 Do they have a plan for the possible evacuation of the embassy in Iraq, or is that considered too unlikely to spent time on?

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski


Yeah, they do.

They'll flap their arms like a goony bird and squawk, "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE, SQQQUUUAAAAAAWWWK!"

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 09:02 PM (uctT+)

505 The S wins..., by 10 minutes.

An hour and ten minutes, sadly. I would have liked to see the Model T win.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 28, 2015 09:02 PM (a42f0)

506 A lot of divorced Dads take their kids to eat at Mr. Hastert's restaurants.

Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 09:02 PM (MQEz6)

507 I'm out for a few minutes, at least till Mrs. Kelly pisses me off, which shouldn't take long.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:03 PM (MbrzC)

508 An hour and ten minutes, sadly. I would have liked to see the Model T win.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 28, 2015 09:02 PM (a42f0)


If the race was on roads the model T had to use the Tesla wouldn't make it to the first charging station.

Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 09:04 PM (wkuqO)

509 Snark and cheap-shots aside: the real squirrel - distraxion - isn't Hastert. The real squirrel is the Republican Party.

DeLay and Gingrich and the rest of the 1990s crew had to know about the blackmail payments. Several key Democrats likely knew as well.

They all let this go, because Hastert's weakness was useful to them.

* so the real question is, why is our ruling elite playing this card NOW. Things must be really bad up on the Hill for this to be dredged out now (in public no less) and not, say, when Obamacare was being bulled through.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 09:04 PM (AVEe1)

510 *withdraws $10 from ATM and starts to drive off*



*screeching tires, sirens, lights*



"GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR OR I'LL BLOW YOUR GODDAMN HEAD OFF!"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 28, 2015 09:00 PM (oFCZn)





Well your availability of funds is proof of income inequality and White Privilege.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:05 PM (8zCR+)

511 Not seeing a lot of Teslas on the road in the aftermath of the houston flood

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:05 PM (zOTsN)

512 "
If we don't have and enforce these drug laws, then people will use drugs and that will cause problems.



Wait."



Yeah, kind of a big joke. Oh, Prohibition, you taught us so much which we have forgotten.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:06 PM (laa9h)

513 I'm sure we'll hear about this ad infinitum. The Clintons not so much

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 28, 2015 09:06 PM (DiZBp)

514 >>* so the real question is, why is our ruling elite playing this card NOW.

Yep. Trade bill? Trying to counter any charges against Hillary/Bill (pedo island)?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 09:07 PM (q6kiT)

515 I'm sure we'll hear about this ad infinitum. The Clintons not so much

Coincidence?

Posted by: I think not at May 28, 2015 09:07 PM (6H5fA)

516 BTH he wasn't paying the blackmail until he became a lobbyist

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:07 PM (zOTsN)

517 Former banking professional here.

I'm not going to say that the $10k target is valid or invalid, given my experience in handling SAR reporting.

I will say, however, that knowing for absolute certainty instances of institutional reporting wasn't forwarded in circumstances which were clearly suspicious (amounts, timing, transaction volumes), in addition to a request for information on transferring funds to a sanctioned country...

...something needs to be in place. Perhaps rather than auto-submission of transaction data, increased in-house diligence requirements upon institutions, with absolutely crushing Federal penalties in the event of criminal activity being facilitated through said service provider.

It is important to remember: as long as individuals have been writing checks, financial institutions have known your business. The indemnification of your promises to pay are backed upon a relinquishing of privacy. This can be mitigated by personal choice, or surrendered for purposes of convenience- that is the choice of the individual.

On the flip side, although the card is seldom played, institutions do have the right to deny service for cause. Banks and brokerages should be reminded of their ability to do so through leveraging the data and resources they have available.

Is it snooping? The teller in the branch knows your dumb enough to have five subscriptions for porn* the instant you swipe your card- you think it's hidden, yet they must have that data to do their job. If there's something they think is suspicious, the option should (and is) available for internal review- remove the mandate. Leave it in house, unless something is truly blatant. Teach those making the personal interactions how to effectively question by leading, rather than asking point blank. Create a higher level of boxes needing to be checked before submission to LE.

And let banks become comfortable with turning away business. If Habib walks in the door, wanting to send money to Tehran, don't permit prosecution for discrimination by closing his account- the bank isn't just fulfilling a legally stated fiduciary duty by challenging and reporting; they're making it harder on the potential perp by cutting off a means of transmission.

Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 09:08 PM (Stqj5)

518 508
If the race was on roads the model T had to use the Tesla wouldn't make it to the first charging station.
Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 09:04 PM (wkuqO)


They had to take different routes because one route had more charging stations and the other had more gas stations.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:09 PM (sdi6R)

519 As I suspected that didn't take long.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:09 PM (MbrzC)

520 DeLay and Gingrich and the rest of the 1990s crew had to know about the
blackmail payments. Several key Democrats likely knew as well.



According to someone above, the payments didn't begin until Hastert became a lobbyist...which was after his retirement in 2007.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:10 PM (q20+R)

521 Hastert can rot in a cell. Land deals in Illinois from insider info while in congress...lobbyist extraordinaire for that shithole Turkey among others. Fuck em.

Posted by: BFDEAL at May 28, 2015 09:10 PM (aHX05)

522 The payments allegedly went to a person from his hometown. Someone who had known Hastert all their life

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:12 PM (zOTsN)

523 LATimes says the money is going to a former student wrestler

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:14 PM (zOTsN)

524 " so the real question is, why is our ruling elite playing this card NOW."
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IDK, didn't get there way on Patriot act? Trying to scare a couple people whom they have the goods on into line? They're likely voting again Sunday evening. That plus distraction?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:14 PM (MbrzC)

525 "523 LATimes says the money is going to a former student wrestler

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:14 PM"
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Well ok, so Denny liked little boys when he was a teacher, color me oh so shocked, not.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:16 PM (MbrzC)

526 "$3.5 million"

Gee, sucking little boy's penis' sure is expensive.

I wonder if there's a Republican out there with the stones to go after Clinton for "structuring."

Posted by: someguy at May 28, 2015 09:16 PM (3z91g)

527 Point of order. I've know people who were raided and the cops will have the water and sewage shut off so nothing can be flushed or if it is its still in the pipes. Before going in on the raid. I mean I heard that somewhere.

But yeah this is total bullshit. Not that the law matters anymore since those in charge do whatever they want anyway. Our friggin government has gone feral.

Posted by: prophet at May 28, 2015 09:17 PM (Nk5Nk)

528 My money's on live boy



Who started blackmailing him at the same time the Sandusky shit was hitting the fan

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:17 PM (zOTsN)

529 oh yeah let's legalize "smurfing" which drug cartels do all the time
Was what Hastert did something like UNDERAGE DOMINICAN HOOKERS!! Some reports are saying he withdrew close to one million
Or are we leaning more towards a Bill Cosby or Larry Craig kind of thing?
Hastret was the longest serving GOP Leader of the House of Representatives
3rd in line to the POTUS

Posted by: righter at May 28, 2015 09:17 PM (r6HrP)

530 LATimes says the money is going to a former student wrestler

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:14 PM (zOTsN)
---------------------
These guys always go Afghani.

Posted by: Archbishop Weakland at May 28, 2015 09:18 PM (3F6F8)

531 Are we still defending Bill Cosby ?

Posted by: righter at May 28, 2015 09:19 PM (r6HrP)

532 So this isn't the story that was dropped into the comments last night or yesterday about the seriously conflicted campaign worker who knew someone who knew about some scandal that was covered up by the campaign?

There's another story out there?

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 09:20 PM (KKMQQ)

533 @ 517:

It's those cases where the line officers told BSA/Compliance to go suck an egg because they weren't losing this account that led to the multi-million (or, in the case of HSBA, $1.92 billion) fines.

US-based banks get it. Euro-based banks operating in the US think that they can apply Euro rules (i.e. nudg-nudge, wink-wink, say no more) here in the US. Right or wrong (and I'm clear where I stand on BSA), if you are that aggressively stupid, you will get beaten.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:20 PM (WI6nT)

534 The timing is around the time Sandusky thing was everywhere

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:20 PM (zOTsN)

535 Was what Hastert did something like UNDERAGE DOMINICAN HOOKERS!!

Check the manifests for Epstein's Pedo Island!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:20 PM (6H5fA)

536
528 My money's on live boy

Who started blackmailing him at the same time the Sandusky shit was hitting the fan
Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:17 PM (zOTsN)

What if this the start of a rat-out cascade, an avalanche of revealed secrets that cripples the Empire?

Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 09:21 PM (MQEz6)

537 Are we still defending Bill Cosby ?

We?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:21 PM (6H5fA)

538 HSBC

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:21 PM (WI6nT)

539 We have to ask at this point: is the ReBLican Party like the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts before the child sexual abuse scandals?
(For you LibTards, legally, currently, minors (like animals, machines, space aliens no matter how hawt) cannot legally consent to sexual acts.)
How else to explain everything they do to retard the aspirations of heterosexuals who want to marry and have a family?

Posted by: Steve White, like, white, really white but not racist, not into BL at May 28, 2015 09:21 PM (Cmzkp)

540 I wonder what $440 in 1915 would be today?

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:22 PM (sdi6R)

541 Fringe with your background in banking, what advice can you offer those of us who want to accumulate wealth or cash that can't be traced by the Gov't.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:22 PM (8zCR+)

542 Penn state still stands, Catholic Church still stands, Boy Scouts still stand but barely

This will not do anything other than damage republicans

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:22 PM (zOTsN)

543 $10,307.28

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (6H5fA)

544 Not into polygamy either, here.

Posted by: Steve White, like, white, really white but not racist, not into BL at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (Cmzkp)

545 True story, I had a savings account that I was deemed to be taking and transferring money out of too frequently and so by federal law the bank converted it to a checking account.

The whole damned game is rotten beyond belief.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (dvoaF)

546 " I've know people who were raided and the cops will have the water and
sewage shut off so nothing can be flushed or if it is its still in the
pipes."


Heard that as well. They will do it for those very reasons.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (laa9h)

547 @522: "The payments allegedly went to a person from his hometown. Someone who had known Hastert all their life"

And who probably reminded Hastert that he would know him for all of *Hastert's* life.

Posted by: Not sayin', just sayin' at May 28, 2015 09:24 PM (amQXf)

548 I agree, this kind of law is the kind that makes you go "what the??" and not believe its real. Essentially, they exist merely to make things easier for federal officers to do their job, and that's ridiculous. Its the same stupid crap as the law that makes it illegal to lie to a federal officer.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 28, 2015 09:25 PM (39g3+)

549 @542 God willing....
Oth, shouldn't we replace the actuyal cocksuckers we elect with R with folks who are heteronormative?
I mean, you want to win elections AND replace the god-like Evolutionary theory in the pantheon of our antagonists?

Posted by: Steve White, like, white, really white but not racist, not into BL at May 28, 2015 09:25 PM (Cmzkp)

550 Are we still defending Bill Cosby ?


Posted by: righter at May 28, 2015 09:19 PM (r6HrP)


Who was defending him shithead?

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:25 PM (8zCR+)

551 " I've know people who were raided and the cops will have the water and
sewage shut off so nothing can be flushed or if it is its still in the
pipes."


Heard that as well. They will do it for those very reasons.






Always one flush left, and digging up the sewer would be pretty obvious.

Posted by: just saying at May 28, 2015 09:25 PM (wkuqO)

552 Let's knock off the gay congressman jokes!

Posted by: Larry Craig, his stance wide at May 28, 2015 09:26 PM (SebRf)

553 I saw cheap trick in 76 in omaha. Who knew Bun E Carlos would run the world even though he was dead

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 09:26 PM (1b8au)

554 @541:

Provably water-tight containers buried in your backyard, filled with cash obtained in everyday transactions (i.e. not taken out at the bank).

That said, when you roll in with bills 30+ years old, you will generate a SAR.

One can accumulate wealth through barter and that is still untraceable. Accumulating cash is a non-starter these days.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:26 PM (WI6nT)

555 531 - I don't know, probably, I heard lots of accusations about Cosby but I heard little actual proof, and the time to bring that up and press the case was long ago not 30-35 years later.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:27 PM (MbrzC)

556 543 $10,307.28
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (6H5fA)


That is pretty dirt cheap for a new car in 2015.

I bought a new Mazda 5 last year for about $19,100. And Mazdas are on the low end of the price spectrum.

Of course, the Model T didn't have all of the modern safety and environmental regulations to deal with.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:27 PM (sdi6R)

557 545 True story, I had a savings account that I was deemed to be taking and transferring money out of too frequently and so by federal law the bank converted it to a checking account.

The whole damned game is rotten beyond belief.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:23 PM (dvoaF)

You are only supposed to take money out of a savings account no more than maybe six times a month? I don't know why.

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:27 PM (vmMMi)

558 If I were in charge and elected, my Conservative AG would indict pretty much every Democrat in Congress and about 3/4 of the Republicans. I'm sure they're all dirty for one reason or another.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:28 PM (q20+R)

559 Fuck Cosby fuck the Duggar kid and fuck Hastert if that's what they did

Posted by: Thunderb at May 28, 2015 09:28 PM (zOTsN)

560 600 holy crap!

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:29 PM (MDgS8)

561 535 Was what Hastert did something like UNDERAGE DOMINICAN HOOKERS!!
---
Affirmative defense - I'm a Democrat
Not-guilty, next case please...

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (MbrzC)

562 The T cost $295 in 1924. Moo lost more than that in his couch yesterday.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (6H5fA)

563
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_red_paperclip

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (KKMQQ)

564 Personally, I'm going to wait to hear what the "blackmail" payments were for before casting aspersions. I prefer not to deal in speculation and rumor. *shrugs*

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (q20+R)

565 I don't know, should I defend the Constitution, or swallow ejaculate?
Hmmm... I'm thinking....
What's in it for me?

Posted by: current member of the Parliament of Whores at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (Cmzkp)

566 @546: "" I've know people who were raided and the cops will have the water and

sewage shut off so nothing can be flushed or if it is its still in the

pipes."


Heard that as well. They will do it for those very reasons."

Which, of course, sort of kills the whole "exigent circumstances, they might destroy the evidence!!!!!!!!" justification used for the raid, as opposed to the normal execution of a search pursuant to a warrant....but hey, technicalities.

Posted by: The 4th Amendment, whispering "Avenge me!" at May 28, 2015 09:31 PM (amQXf)

567 460
Nip, you can accumulate some large in small bills over time. It takes some work but you will be under the radar, so to speak.


Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 08:45 PM (8zCR+)

True. Anything under a $50 is a waste of time. $100 are the currency of choice when shit hits the fan. I am talking six figures.

A $100 will be worth a $20 then.


Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 09:31 PM (0FSuD)

568 @545 Kreplach:

No evil intent for gov't here. Savings accounts are not intended to have multiple withdrawal transactions in any given month. Banks must post reserves at their closest Federal Reserve Bank against transaction accounts (i.e. checking accounts) to ensure sufficient liquidity to clear checks drawn against them. That calculation excludes savings accounts from the balances to be reserved against on the theory that they're not transaction accounts.

Banks are required by the Fed to convert savings accounts that have 6 or more withdrawals in 2 consecutive months into transaction accounts subject to the Fed reserve requirements.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:31 PM (WI6nT)

569 564 Personally, I'm going to wait to hear what the "blackmail" payments were for before casting aspersions. I prefer not to deal in speculation and rumor. *shrugs*
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:30 PM (q20+R)

I would agree, considering that the dugger stuff doesn't seem as serious as presented, however when you start paying hush money in the millions that ups the probability that it's something serious...

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:33 PM (vmMMi)

570 @554: "Accumulating cash is a non-starter these days."

Hoarders and wreckers cannot be tolerated, comrade.

Posted by: Totally not Lavrenti Beria...swearsies at May 28, 2015 09:33 PM (amQXf)

571 It's early but I am AMF.



See you morons in the AM.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 09:33 PM (0FSuD)

572 So have they compared the Tesla to a newer car, like the Edsel or the Corvair?

I noticed in a review of the P85 it was very fast but a complete *disaster* on the figure 8. It appears to have a weight transfer problem.

Posted by: Marovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 28, 2015 09:34 PM (bLnSU)

573 @557

I had my debit card linked to my checking account and overdraft protection linked to one of my other accounts which was a savings account which to me seems like a perfectly fucking rational thing to do but fuck no because government.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:34 PM (dvoaF)

574
It's true, Denny Hastert is a sleezy kind of guy, and I would never associate with any person who conducted himself as did Denny Hastert. And that goes for Carl Rove too, who has a few skeleton's in his closet.

Posted by: BillyBob Clinton at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (P330y)

575 In OT news, when I left for work at 5:30 this morning, it was almost 80 degrees and 93% humidity. I need gills to breathe. Another line of storms going to hit in 1-2 hours. Maybe next week we'll have no rain.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (q20+R)

576 Damn fool don' know how to play the game.

Posted by: Al "Fuck the IRS" Sharpton at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (fWLrt)

577 John Quincy Adams understood what mainstream Islam was all about. Why is it so hard for people today to understand it, if not for willful ignorance:

https://tinyurl.com/qeoer3z

"The natural hatred of the Mussulmen towards the infidels is in accordance with the precepts of the Koran."

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (BZAd3)

578 @564: "I prefer not to deal in speculation and rumor."

What is rumor but premature fact?

Posted by: The Media at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (amQXf)

579 Marovign? WTF?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (bLnSU)

580 573 @557

I had my debit card linked to my checking account and overdraft protection linked to one of my other accounts which was a savings account which to me seems like a perfectly fucking rational thing to do but fuck no because government.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:34 PM (dvoaF)

Were you needing overdraft protection six times a month though?

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (vmMMi)

581 I would agree, considering that the dugger stuff
doesn't seem as serious as presented, however when you start paying hush
money in the millions that ups the probability that it's something
serious...

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:33 PM (vmMMi)



It may be serious, but in all honesty, we have no idea what serious thing it is. I prefer not to speculate or accuse people of child sex abuse without knowing some actual facts.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (q20+R)

582 @568

Which is complete and utter bullshit.

See my answer @573

Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (dvoaF)

583 Who knew being broke would keep the goverment away from you? Yeah me, I guess.

Posted by: prophet at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (Nk5Nk)

584 Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Normally this law pisses me off. But FUCK HIM

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at May 28, 2015 09:37 PM (fO0en)

585 What is rumor but premature fact?


Posted by: The Media at May 28, 2015 09:35 PM (amQXf)



Well, according to you hacktastic fucks, yes. But there's a reason the majority of the public no longer trust you to tell the truth...

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:37 PM (q20+R)

586 It may be serious, but in all honesty, we have no idea what serious thing it is. I prefer not to speculate or accuse people of child sex abuse without knowing some actual facts.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:36 PM (q20+R)

This is true. Many rumors turn out to be false.

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:38 PM (vmMMi)

587 What is rumor but premature fact?
--------------

premature factulation

Posted by: Roy at May 28, 2015 09:38 PM (fWLrt)

588 "Hoarders and wreckers cannot be tolerated, comrade."


Yes, the Burning Times will be all about commodities....commodities.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:38 PM (laa9h)

589 @573:

FRB Regulation D limits the number of transactions from a savings account to 6 before it must be reclassified as a transaction account.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:39 PM (WI6nT)

590 I mean, he could have had a consensual relationship as a teenager with someone and wanted To keep it quiet. Unlikely but possible.

Or something else.

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:39 PM (vmMMi)

591 @580

Yes.

I travel frequently for business and money gets direct deposited into my savings account and I simply don't have the time to bank while working.

And why the hell is it any business of the government what I want to do with my money?

Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:39 PM (dvoaF)

592 So weird!
This is shaping up like Ace Himself meant it to be a referendum, as it were, on the SoCons v. BeastLove/BL contingents of our bicoastal + heartland bloc.
Who d'ya figger will survive?
Need a clue?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/opzjxnh
You're welcome.

Posted by: just a guy who understands our Ace is awesome and intellectually generous at May 28, 2015 09:40 PM (Cmzkp)

593 Breitbart : US chief negotiator on Iran to resign

http://tinyurl.com/q2hqqp4

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 09:40 PM (KKMQQ)

594 What is rumor but premature fact?
--------------

premature factulation
Posted by: Roy at May 28, 2015 09:38 PM (fWLrt)


on the internets it is "premature e-factulation"



Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 09:41 PM (kCLGY)

595 And why the hell is it any business of the government what I want to do with my money?

Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:39 PM (dvoaF)



Because according to the government, it really isn't your money. It's theirs.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:41 PM (q20+R)

596 573

"I had my debit card linked to my checking account and overdraft protection linked to one of my other accounts which was a savings account which to me seems like a perfectly fucking rational thing to do but fuck no because government."

No, a perfectly fucking rational thing to do is to not write promises to pay (checks, debit, ATM, ACH) that your checking account cannot handle.

Margins are important, and the need for them is the exact reason why, as CN explained, the transaction limit exists.

Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 09:42 PM (Stqj5)

597 True. Anything under a $50 is a waste of time. $100
are the currency of choice when shit hits the fan. I am talking six
figures.

A $100 will be worth a $20 then.




Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 09:31 PM (0FSuD)


You are missing the point. When TSHTF I'd rather have 20 five dollar bills than a hundo.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (8zCR+)

598
It's rather odd that liberals are wigged out crazy over the Dugger affair, but somehow deemed Bill Clinton who molested numerous women and possibly raped Kathleen Willey as the gold standard for personal behavior.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (P330y)

599
Hoist on his own Picard. As they say.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (MDgS8)

600 So this question is for each of the republican candidates tonight on the stage, please take two minutes each to anwser. In lite of the recent revelations of Denny Hasterts brutal rape of child I'm sure the viewers would like some answers to the following. Have you ever been attracted too, violated or touched any teenage boys, real or imagined in any way that might ever have been considered inappropriate, and if so please give us the details and what penance was made to your victims. Please remember to be honest we've got Candy Crawley on stand-by "fact checking" your answers.

Posted by: George Snuffalufagous at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (MbrzC)

601 You are missing the point. When TSHTF I'd rather have 20 five dollar bills than a hundo.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (8zCR+)

****

Yep. If you only have $100s, everything will cost at least $100.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (3F6F8)

602 >>Breitbart : US chief negotiator on Iran to resign


This is the same woman who led the N Korea negotiations under Clinton.
She had no business doing anything w/Iran after that, she's a DC crony.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (q6kiT)

603 572 So have they compared the Tesla to a newer car, like the Edsel or the Corvair?

I noticed in a review of the P85 it was very fast but a complete *disaster* on the figure 8. It appears to have a weight transfer problem.
Posted by: Marovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 28, 2015 09:34 PM (bLnSU)



I linked this article last night:

https://tinyurl.com/mapu5tl


It didn't mention the figure 8 problem. but if I had the money, I'd definitely buy a Tesla.




And if I was a handsome stud, Scarlett Johansen would be my girlfriend.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (sdi6R)

604 @582:

That rule has been on the books for at least 40 years and would have been disclosed to you in the booklet you likely threw away when you opened the account. Hate it all you want, but it's there and not going away. OD Protection is supposed to cover an oopsie now and then; not to be a daily feature.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (WI6nT)

605 Hasn't the Duggar uterus had enough yet?

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (MDgS8)

606 "And why the hell is it any business of the government what I want to do with my money?"


Not much but if I understood his explanation it sounds like for reporting purposes banks/government want to have some stability in what they are reporting on and they base that reporting largely on non-transaction accounts. Sounds like they want fairly static figures to report rather than swings up/down.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:46 PM (laa9h)

607 597
When TSHTF I'd rather have 20 five dollar bills than a hundo.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (8zCR+)


^^This.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:47 PM (sdi6R)

608 @596

Margins for whom?

This is federal law and not bank regulations.

Then why allow overdraft protection linked to savings accounts at all?

Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:47 PM (dvoaF)

609 When TSHTF I'd rather have 20 five dollar bills than a hundo.

I'd rather have 500 rounds of 7.62.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 28, 2015 09:47 PM (6H5fA)

610
And if I was a handsome stud, Scarlett Johansen would be my girlfriend.

I'd go for Lindsay Lohan and the danger factor. She's finally off probation BTW.


I'll put her on probation IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:48 PM (MDgS8)

611 I have a pile of .223 brass....best savings account ever

Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 28, 2015 09:48 PM (hCdMd)

612 @585: "Well, according to you hacktastic fucks, yes. But there's a reason the
majority of the public no longer trust you to tell the truth..."

Trust us, don't trust us. We don't care. We still control the narrative - and that lets us sell you bullshit disguised as Egyptian cotton.

Posted by: The Media at May 28, 2015 09:48 PM (amQXf)

613 I am none. But then who isn't?

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 28, 2015 09:49 PM (1b8au)

614 True. Anything under a $50 is a waste of time. $100 are the currency of choice when shit hits the fan. I am talking six figures.
Posted by: Nip Sip


What asshole would willing break your $100 bill?

No one.

SILVER DIMES, BITCHES!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 09:49 PM (uctT+)

615 Posted by: George Snuffalufagous at May 28, 2015 09:43 PM (MbrzC)



I'd laugh, if it weren't so fucking representative.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:49 PM (q20+R)

616 @591: "And why the hell is it any business of the government what I want to do with my money?"

YOUR money? No, no, no. OUR money. We just let you borrow it.

Posted by: The Government at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (amQXf)

617 About the savings accounts...they don't want you messing with them because the money is not on the books...it is leveraged...

Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (hCdMd)

618 Mercury dimes.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (MDgS8)

619 >>It's rather odd that liberals are wigged out crazy over the Dugger affair...

Eh, there's a built-in hate for the Duggars - the Left sees them as icky Christians and weirdos for having a lot of kids, homeschooling, and restrictive social standards (IIRC, no sex before marriage) - and then there's the fact that Josh Duggar was working for the Family Research Council, an organization they could not hate more. This scandal hits the sweet spot for them, so of course they're loving it.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (q6kiT)

620 Quick quiz:

Which story gets more play on the nightly news?

This one about Hastert's monetary shenanigans? Or the one about Bill Clinton playing monetary shenanigans with his shell corporation?

Extra credit: Which one affects your life more & why?

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at May 28, 2015 09:50 PM (1WydT)

621 Margins for whom?

This is federal law and not bank regulations.

Then why allow overdraft protection linked to savings accounts at all?

Posted by: Kreplach at May 28, 2015 09:47 PM (dvoaF)

****

Banks have to keep an on deposit to on loan factor, which is currently 10 to 1 I believe. So, they can loan out 10K If you keep 1k on deposit. They strongly factor in savings accounts in this equation as this money moves much less than a transactional account like checking.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 09:51 PM (XrHO0)

622 Girl: So, tell me - do you want kids?

Dennis: Yes, I do. Sadly, your "society" frowns upon such relationships

Posted by: Scene from a Dennis Hastert Date at May 28, 2015 09:52 PM (amQXf)

623 Hm, grocery store has strawberries on sale this week. Looks like it is time to make jam again.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:55 PM (q20+R)

624 So we're back to this again...

Judge Scullin Orders D.C. to Issue Concealed Carry Permits Immediately

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 09:55 PM (uctT+)

625 JFK junior at one point thought Hastert was "one of the most fascinating men" in politics. I mention this fact at the beginning of "Hatemongers".

As a side note, if Geller ever holds a "caricature Jesus" contest, we will PICKET her sorry ass with signs reading "GOD HATES PAMELA". Take that, you miserable heretic!

Posted by: Fred Waldron Phelps at May 28, 2015 09:55 PM (cIoI4)

626 @604: "OD Protection is supposed to cover an oopsie now and then; not to be a daily feature."

Which was fine and dandy when everyone paid everything with checks. But with autopay, if a paycheck doesn't clear in time, and multiple bills come due for autopay on the same day, OBVIOUSLY no bank would ever think to impose multiple overdrafts - and thus multiple overdraft charges, thus requiring multiple overdraft protection payments.

Posted by: The world is always fair at May 28, 2015 09:55 PM (amQXf)

627 That rule has been on the books for at least 40 years and would have been disclosed to you in the booklet you likely threw away when you opened the account. Hate it all you want, but it's there and not going away. OD Protection is supposed to cover an oopsie now and then; not to be a daily feature.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (WI6nT)

Yeah. I know this isn't a personal finance blog so I wasn't going to really get into it, but that's not really the best way to use od protection.

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 09:56 PM (vmMMi)

628 @600 Why aren't we beating the CFJ "reporters"?
Just saying.
You and I know if we actually are perverts.
They're pervs and on-the-air.

Posted by: Steve White, trained deadly philosopher, including + logic at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (Cmzkp)

629 "It may be serious, but in all honesty, we have no idea what serious thing it is. I prefer not to speculate or accuse people of child sex abuse without knowing some actual facts."
----

Well I'd agree, but.... agreed to pay 3.5mil, didn't report the blackmail attempt, ex teacher, wrestling coach, otherwise known corrupt dc jackal, person being paid from home town and known since early in his life, timing that it started. We'll see, but whatever it is, it's serious (or hastert is an absolute moron to pay 3.5m to try and keep it quite), and great setup\teaser for the press.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (MbrzC)

630 Well, DG, looks like the storms have weekend a bit. More red/orange now than purple. But, there is a growing amount of yellow/orange forming behind the initial line.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (laa9h)

631 That's uh, not, uh, his money. He dint earn that money. That's not his bank, that's our bank. And he's a, uh, a Republican.(applause).

Posted by: Sanders-Obama For President Foever at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (nwnmt)

632 CFJ = Commie-fag-junkie

Posted by: Steve White, trained deadly philosopher, including + logic at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (Cmzkp)

633
Detroit : Unfinished prison (construction halted, not expected to ever restart) costing city 1.2 million dollars a month. (no end in sight).

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 09:58 PM (KKMQQ)

634 I'm very disappointed in Denny Hastert. Granted these latest accusations aren't proved.

We were redistricted into his district. Seemed honest and OK until he neared retirement and bought land that a new interstate was going thru.

Made some big bucks. Guess maybe he was always crooked.

Of course I'll bet Harry Reid makes him look like a piker.

Posted by: Farmer at May 28, 2015 09:58 PM (o/90i)

635 579 Marovign? WTF?

Evil Twin Thursday? Happens to the best of us.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 28, 2015 09:59 PM (0NdlF)

636 593 Breitbart : US chief negotiator on Iran to resign
---
Wow so not even the WH's own hand picked negotiator wants to handle the level of BS the White House is going to move forward with?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 09:59 PM (MbrzC)

637
Made some big bucks. Guess maybe he was always crooked.


Could be. Is he a politician?

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:00 PM (MDgS8)

638 "What if this the start of a rat-out cascade, an avalanche of revealed secrets"

*popcorn*

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:01 PM (Uk9e2)

639 My goal, get six figures in the gun safe.
Half way there.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 28, 2015 08:06 PM (0FSuD)


Good for you. Come hyper-inflation you can buy taxi fare to the Starbucks.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:01 PM (t//F+)

640 If he's guilty, do not be misled by how they caught him.
Similarly, you want cop-killers to spring b/c of a technicality?
Good luck with that. Pretty soon he or she will be the provost of the school your kid attends at $20k/pa (i.e., $5k+ pa debt).
"You want to teach? Kneel before Moloch! Else YOU WILL FAIL MY TEST!"

Posted by: Steve White, trained deadly philosopher, including + logic at May 28, 2015 10:01 PM (Cmzkp)

641 Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:28 PM (q20+R)

If I were elected those fcukers would be destitute because the revolving door between congress and the whores on K street would be closed.

Then, and only then, when they were poor, would I go after them with criminal indictments.

And the best part? Guantanamo? No, we aren't closing it....we're making it a political crimes prison.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (Zu3d9)

642 Well, DG, looks like the storms have weekend a bit.
More red/orange now than purple. But, there is a growing amount of
yellow/orange forming behind the initial line.


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (laa9h)




Yeah, we're gonna get hit with something. It may not be awful, but there will be rain for sure and behind that line, definitely stuff forming like you said.


BTW, do you want another case of apricot jam this year? Not sure if I can bang one out before I go on vacation, but maybe.... I may even slip in a strawberry for ya just for grins.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (q20+R)

643 @637: "Is he a politician?"

An Illinois politician. I hate Illinois politicians.

Posted by: Jake Blues at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (amQXf)

644 STORM THE BALLOT BOX FOR TEH GOPE!

your only hope

suckers

Posted by: Anti-socialist at May 28, 2015 10:03 PM (+kznc)

645 >>Wow so not even the WH's own hand picked negotiator wants to handle the
level of BS the White House is going to move forward with?

The worst line of the story is this:

"Sherman, who jetted off to Switzerland Wednesday for talks with the
Iranian regime, has until a self-imposed June 30 deadline to seal a
comprehensive agreement with the Ayatollah."


Um, why should the deal deadline be driven by the date of her departure?
I don't think things should be rushed, maybe into a bad decision, just because this scrunt is resigning.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 10:03 PM (q6kiT)

646 @628 "beating" as with gutta percha walking sticks.

Posted by: Steve White, trained deadly philosopher, including + logic at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (Cmzkp)

647 And if I was a handsome stud, Scarlett Johansen would be my girlfriend.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (sdi6R)

.......

I questioned your judgment then thought maybe you were being clever with a horse joke....if it's the latter I'm laughing.

Posted by: Molly k. at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (zS+qK)

648 If I were elected those fcukers would be destitute
because the revolving door between congress and the whores on K street
would be closed.

Then, and only then, when they were poor, would I go after them with criminal indictments.

And the best part? Guantanamo? No, we aren't closing it....we're making it a political crimes prison.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (Zu3d9)



OK, you win. *raises Old Fashioned in tribute*

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (q20+R)

649 Good for you. Come hyper-inflation you can buy taxi fare to the Starbucks.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:01 PM (t//F+)

Heh. Man those stories about people shoving shopping carts of cash and wallpapering the house do come to mind. I'm sure Obamas got no idea any of that happened.

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (vmMMi)

650 @608:

It is not Federal statutory law. It is a regulation (Federal Reserve Bank Regulation D) issued by the Fed under the authority granted to it by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. I'm not here to argue any of the underlying issues about the Fed (and there are many) but, instead, to explain the why and how of Reg D.

Nothing in our monetary system happens without somehow coursing through the Fed (again, not the place for value judgments). Reg D is old, enacted far before the instant transaction and settlement of bank-to-bank transactions that happens today. Reg D required banks to keep (in cash or on deposit at their local Fed) a portion of the total balance of transaction accounts so that when things went tits up there was some local bank cash backing things before the Fed had to accept the liability. Part of that deal was making a definition between a transactional account (a checking account) that would have daily balance swings and transactions flowing through the Fed and a non-transactional account (the savings passbook you brought in every month to get the interest posted to it).

The Fed cares about stability. To do so it needs to know "what is the potential volatile money". Reg D defines same. Reg D also says that you can make all of the in-person transactions you care to make, but "automatic" transactions are limited to 6 per month, which is what the Fed decided was the threshold between transactional and non-transactional. While your single account misuse adds nothing to Fed risk, once multiplied by thousands serious risk arises, again explaining Reg D.

From your posts it appears that your core mistake is having your paycheck direct-deposited to your savings account, which means you are treating your savings account as your main transaction account and is the exact behaviour Reg D is designed to catch. Deposit it to your checking account and your issue goes away.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:05 PM (WI6nT)

651 "BTW, do you want another case of apricot jam this year?"



Sure. Absolutely no hurry whatsoever. If/when you feel like it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (laa9h)

652 Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (q20+R)

Okay....you seem to be comfortable with rye and bourbon.

The Sazerac: God's gift to cocktails.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (Zu3d9)

653 Sherman had zero diplomatic experience when Bill Clinton sent her to convince the Norks not to go nuclear.

Do Dems just not give a shit about anything but their own pathetic sex lives, cash, and votes?

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (Uk9e2)

654
An Illinois politician. I hate Illinois politicians.

Ahhhh......well there you go.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (MDgS8)

655 @644: "STORM THE BALLOT BOX FOR TEH GOPE!"

Might want to clarify that you mean Republicans. Might I suggest voting for "The G(R)OPE?"

Posted by: Dennis Hastert at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (amQXf)

656 I thought the self imposed deadline on a deal with Iran came down from Obama, after being moved several times. That was the way it was reported in the media.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (KKMQQ)

657 Isn't hastert the one who purchased acres of land out in Illinois nowhere land an then put an interstate through it and cashed in?... Not gonna loose sleep over this, at the same time it is a bullshit law.

Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (K+RBk)

658 Sure. Absolutely no hurry whatsoever. If/when you feel like it.


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (laa9h)



If I don't get it knocked out by vacation, I'll have er done for ya by early August. Do you have any jars saved from last year's batch, or should I buy a new pack?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (q20+R)

659 Made some big bucks. Guess maybe he was always crooked.
Could be. Is he a politician?
Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:00 PM (MDgS

I get your point, but he always squeaky clean until he neared retirement. I'm maybe a bit na´ve in that I think some politicians are honest.

The scales have fallen from my eyes.

Posted by: Farmer at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (o/90i)

660 And the best part? Guantanamo? No, we aren't closing it....we're making it a political crimes prison.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (Zu3d9)

I am always a little leery of "crimes against the state", but I think your heart is in the right place! Now if you made Guantanamo a prison for politicians, that I could support!

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (ftVQq)

661 >>
I thought the self imposed deadline on a deal with Iran came down from Obama,

Oops, guess I misread it!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (q6kiT)

662 647 And if I was a handsome stud, Scarlett Johansen would be my girlfriend.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 09:45 PM (sdi6R)

.......

I questioned your judgment then thought maybe you were being clever with a horse joke....if it's the latter I'm laughing.
Posted by: Molly k. at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (zS+qK)


I actually prefer zaftig brunettes, but I couldn't think of a name off the top of my head.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (sdi6R)

663 Finally!

Somebody is making some sense:

https://tinyurl.com/qb8fh4d

*Trigger warning: Firing squads and guillotines are mentioned.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (BZAd3)

664 "An Illinois politician."


Ewww. The ickiest kind.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (laa9h)

665 >>Do Dems just not give a shit about anything but their own pathetic sex lives, cash, and votes?

Nope

Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (sQzB6)

666 @653: "Do Dems just not give a shit about anything but their own pathetic sex lives, cash, and votes?"

Not at all - we're really, really, REALLY into controlling all aspect of your pathetic little existences as well.

Posted by: The Dems at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (amQXf)

667 re: savings.

Don't forget: they also like to collect taxes- you can't get to $10 in interest on the year if you're constantly taking that shit out.

Then again, at current rates, you owe the bank $10 a year just for the paper your statement is printed on.

re: the * from 517 (because I forgot the punchline) and "overdraft oopsies":

Once had to handle a "client" who was flipping out, referring to his daughter as a bitch, repeatedly and with volume, to one of my associates and making her uncomfortable with his tone and level of excited-ness based on "excessive" overdraft fees.

Walk into the cube, review the history. Daughter had been reportedly told to buy one "sammich" at BK, "and the fat bitch bought two", causing the account to go into the red, which then spiraled when three packs of cigarettes on the same day from three separate vendors kicked in as well.

Now, while all this shit is cascading, I can't help but see the descriptor "EPOCH.COM" charging $24.95 four times per month.

For the uninitiated: Epoch is the card service provider for Bangbros (and a host of other such peddlers).

The conversation (after having ushered said client into my office and closed the door):

"Sir, I understand the concern for fees, and the situation with your daughter. However, I would like to ask- I'm seeing the firm 'EPOCH.COM' on your account repeatedly for $25 each month- is this being billed correctly? If not, that may be the root of the problem."

"They subscriptions- and none of your bidness!"

"But sir- I'm asking..."

"I said it's none of your bidness!"

"...because you get all of the sites for one monthly charge- that's why they call it 'the BangBros *Network*'."

"IT IS NONE OF YO...

...did you say 'all of them'?"

"Yes. You pay one monthly charge, and you get all the sites. Now, I can't offer to reimburse you any of your service charges today- but, for instance, should they reimburse you a couple of those monthly fees, we can have a conversation at a later time."

"So you telling me I'm paying four times a month when I can only pay one time a month and get it all?"

"That is my understanding."

I like to think that I didn't save the bank reimbursements for invalid charges, but instead saved his right hand from extra work- beating his kid, and working off a $100/mo porn habit.

Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (Stqj5)

668 Okay....you seem to be comfortable with rye and bourbon.

The Sazerac: God's gift to cocktails.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (Zu3d9)




Sazerac...without looking, isn't that the one that has Peychaud bitters? I have those...love them. I actually use them in place of Angostura/Orange in my old fashioneds.


I have yet to try that recipe you sent me. I *finally* found the Maraschino liqueur in my store, just need to save up a few bucks to buy it. It's about 30 bucks for 750ml.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (q20+R)

669
Scarlett was hot until she did Penn.

Now she all skantified.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:10 PM (MDgS8)

670 Now if you made Guantanamo a prison for politicians, that I could support!

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 28, 2015 10:07 PM (ftVQq)

I will edit my political manifesto to reflect this correction.

I will, of course, remove all air conditioning, TV, libraries, sports and entertainment equipment.

They can jerk off and run around a dirt track for entertainment.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:10 PM (Zu3d9)

671 "Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 09:49 PM (q20+R) "
---
That's what sad, you know it's coming.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:10 PM (MbrzC)

672 lol Fringe

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (Uk9e2)

673 "Do you have any jars saved from last year's batch, or should I buy a new pack"



No I don't. What does a tray of those things cost at the grocery store?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (laa9h)

674 630 Well, DG, looks like the storms have weekend a bit. More red/orange now than purple. But, there is a growing amount of yellow/orange forming behind the initial line.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 09:57 PM (laa9h)


Yep, it looks like it's going to be another long night of rain. The storm is one big mass from just west of Ft. Worth to a little east of Lubbock.

We got some strong winds after midnight the another night. Lots of trees and branches downed in the neighborhood, including a good-sized live oak that was snapped in half just five houses down from us. It woke me up and I grabbed Mrs. Hobbit and hunkered down in a bathroom in the middle of the house.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (0RdKg)

675 And the best part? Guantanamo? No, we aren't closing it....we're making it a political crimes prison.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


Nah, waste of good land that should properly be used as a rest and recoup resort for the armed forces and vets.

The pol-cats should be forced to actually "serve" their fellow citizens for a change. Either as a pro-bono lawyers or a credit counselor in the poorest neighborhoods.

For a decade or nine.

Oh, and Insty's post-office tax plan applies as well; 50% rate for 10 years.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (uctT+)

676 The Sazerac: God's gift to cocktails.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:06 PM (Zu3d9)

The granddaddy of cocktails. You have my respect.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:12 PM (BZAd3)

677 >>"Do Dems just not give a shit about anything but their own pathetic sex lives, cash, and votes?"

Not at all - we're really, really, REALLY into controlling all aspect of your pathetic little existences as well.


Posted by: The Dems

Speak for your self. I'm good with the sex and cash.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 28, 2015 10:12 PM (sQzB6)

678
No I don't. What does a tray of those things cost at the grocery store?

Without even knowing what you're talking about I'd guess 5$ a lb. no matter what it is.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:13 PM (MDgS8)

679 *Trigger warning: Firing squads and guillotines are mentioned.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (BZAd3)


More of a tease than a warning.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:13 PM (XmOA9)

680 *Trigger warning: Firing squads and guillotines are mentioned.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (BZAd3)


More of a tease than a warning.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:13 PM (XmOA9)

681 Not to stir the pot, but 1915 Model T, vs. Tesla Model S in 765 mile 'race' over public roads. The S wins..., by 10 minutes. Interesting read:

From the article:
"The Tesla would not go up against a new car, which would enjoy a de facto head start thanks to more than a century of development."

Except that electric cars were invented before gas cars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car
1885 - "[Benz's] first Motorwagen was built in 1885 in Mannheim, Germany."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle
1884 - "English inventor Thomas Parker ... built the first production electric car in London in 1884"

So basically they put a 100 year handicap on the gas car for no reason.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (0NdlF)

682 stay safe Texas morons

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (Uk9e2)

683 Aren't there any fans of English Common Law?
My rights stop at the end of your nose.
Similarly, yours.
CFJs? Burn them at the stake. No trial/no problem.
How many kids do you have?
He who finishes with the most grandchildren wins.
News to you?
Have a vasectomy, or get busy.

Posted by: Steve W., like really old school, heard of the Magna Carta, You? at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (Cmzkp)

684 More of a tease than a warning.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:13 PM (XmOA9)

Just covering the bases.

Some of the letters to the editor are pretty good.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (BZAd3)

685 "I like to think that I didn't save the bank reimbursements for invalid
charges, but instead saved his right hand from extra work- beating his
kid, and working off a $100/mo porn habit."



Quite the humanitarian.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:14 PM (laa9h)

686 I thought the self imposed deadline on a deal with Iran came down from Obama,

Oops, guess I misread it!
Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 10:08 PM (q6kiT)

The article isn't really clear. Makes it sound like the chief negotiate imposed on herself the end of June deadline. But the stories I remember back when Obama was demanding something from congress, what ever it was, that Obama had a deadline, that got moved when congress didn't give him what he wanted.

I can't imagine the chief negotiator imposing a deadline. That's something the president would do, I would think, as part of the negotiating tactics. But it's Obama.. . and I'm a nobody.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (KKMQQ)

687 @676: "The granddaddy of cocktails."

And I'm the granddaddy of cock tales

Posted by: Milton Berle at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (amQXf)

688
So basically they put a 100 year handicap on the gas car for no reason.

Hah.....good point.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (MDgS8)

689 "624 So we're back to this again...

Judge Scullin Orders D.C. to Issue Concealed Carry Permits Immediately
----
Following judges orders is like the Constitution it's so passe, I mean what are they really gonna do if I just don't do what they say? Have Congress impeach me? Ha ha ha, bring it!


Posted by: Barry the Great at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (MbrzC)

690 He he he over at wz....bikers in AZ gonna hold a draw moe contest. Moe don't surf and sure as hell can't ride...

Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (K+RBk)

691 ..I had accounts with Wells Farthoe...they changed the account terms every six months at least trying to generate fees. My mortgage was down to around $30,000 and they were still holding escrow for taxes and insurance...no big deal...then they send a Escrow Shortage Notice for more than $800...It was fraudulent...bet they did it to everybody with auto-draft. I pulled all my records and I was projecting on the plus side by at least $300 by years end. When I called them I got a fast talker who tried to bullshit me so I hung up and went to the branch and laid the documentation on the table for the Mortgages Manager and they apologized for the "Error". I went to my credit union and explained what had happened and they gave me a 36 month personal loan at 5% large enough to retire the mortgage and move the accounts.
So I walk in and close all the accounts and they were pretty floored that a customer of 22 years fired them as his bank.

Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (hCdMd)

692 I'm out.
Num 6,24-25

Posted by: Steve W., like really old school, heard of the Magna Carta, You? at May 28, 2015 10:16 PM (Cmzkp)

693 @685:

Nobel Laureate noms coming up!

Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 10:16 PM (Stqj5)

694 "Yep, it looks like it's going to be another long night of rain."


We sure don't need that. Creek's back down but shit.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:16 PM (laa9h)

695 >>Do Dems just not give a shit about anything but their own pathetic sex lives, cash, and votes?"

I think Hillary selling off 50% of US uranium mining rights to Russia kinda settles that once and for all.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (q6kiT)

696 Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (q20+R)

Huzzah!

Yeah, the maraschino is expensive. Maybe it's available in the little bottles, so you can try it in a couple of drinks and see whether you like it.

http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/maraschino/2/usa

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (Zu3d9)

697 electric cars are creepy, they sneak up on you

good for city errands, no emissions for all those historic city centers in Europe wherever, but not much else, and certainly not for interstate freewheeling in the US of A

they're a bicycle version of a car

meh

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (Uk9e2)

698 @637: "Is he a politician?"
An Illinois politician. I hate Illinois politicians.
Posted by: Jake Blues at May 28, 2015 10:02

Born and bred in rural IL and I can tell you all kinds of stories about crooked IL politicians.

It fortunately affects us less in the hinterlands. Cept now the state is bankrupt. Yiipeee!

Posted by: Farmer at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (o/90i)

699 He he he over at wz....bikers in AZ gonna hold a draw moe contest. Moe don't surf and sure as hell can't ride...
Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (K+RBk)

****

Cool. This time the Muzzie shitheads will probably import suicide shooters from Dallas.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (XrHO0)

700 >>I have yet to try that recipe you sent me. I
*finally* found the Maraschino liqueur in my store, just need to save up
a few bucks to buy it. It's about 30 bucks for 750ml.


Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm)

Try making real Maraschino cherries. Completely different than the clown nose red things sold in the grocery store.

Posted by: Aviator at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (sQzB6)

701 "Without even knowing what you're talking about I'd guess 5$ a lb. no matter what it is."


Ball canning jars. I guess there's 12-18 in a stack.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (laa9h)

702 #9999dollars

Posted by: Jen Psocki at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (Dwehj)

703 ah, another person who uses wine-searcher

love that thing

Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:18 PM (Uk9e2)

704 @667 Fringe:

I've never had the face-to-face (I got out of banking and into regulation before the 'Net) but when it gets ugly and I need (in the day job) to grab someone's personal financial records there's always a monthly charge of that nature.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:19 PM (WI6nT)

705 Similarly, you want cop-killers to spring b/c of a technicality?
---
If it's a legit technically\fuck-up? Absolutely.

Posted by: Barry the Great at May 28, 2015 10:19 PM (MbrzC)

706 700 hundy.....holy crap.

Posted by: eleven at May 28, 2015 10:19 PM (MDgS8)

707 @699: "He he he over at wz....bikers in AZ gonna hold a draw moe contest. Moe don't surf and sure as hell can't ride...

Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (K+RBk)



****



Cool. This time the Muzzie shitheads will probably import suicide shooters from Dallas."

They will have to hurry to beat the police shooters.

Posted by: Hassan bin Layyed at May 28, 2015 10:19 PM (amQXf)

708 You had a rough time with the creek a few nights ago, Ricardo. Stay safe.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 28, 2015 10:20 PM (0RdKg)

709 Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (uctT+)

Excellent point. I will nominate you for Secretary of Sticking It To The Previous Politicians.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:20 PM (Zu3d9)

710

No I don't. What does a tray of those things cost at the grocery store?


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (laa9h)




Aw heck, I dunno...probably about a buck a jar or less. 10-12 per dozen and I think I can get 10-11 jars out of a batch. Whatever we decided on price for last year will be the same this year if I buy new jars.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:21 PM (q20+R)

711 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 28, 2015 10:21 PM (KCxzN)

712
Heh. Man those stories about people shoving
shopping carts of cash and wallpapering the house do come to mind. I'm
sure Obamas got no idea any of that happened.
Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 10:04 PM (vmMMi)


Post revolutionary France, Weimar Germany, Bulgaria, Mexico, Brazil, Brazil,Brazil, Argentina.

I got interested in Hyper-inflation when I wound up with a handful of Argie "Australes" and realized the 5-Austral pieces came in 2 sizes, with the dates only a few years apart and I knew they used the Peso.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:21 PM (t//F+)

713 Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:19 PM (WI6nT)

FINRA?
SEC?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:22 PM (Zu3d9)

714 #4HoursBetweenThreads

Posted by: Jen Psocki at May 28, 2015 10:23 PM (Dwehj)

715 I thought they publicly acknowledged a few months ago that the real reporting threshold was $3,000.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at May 28, 2015 10:23 PM (zauWW)

716 Um, why should the deal deadline be driven by the date of her departure?
I don't think things should be rushed, maybe into a bad decision, just because this scrunt is resigning.
----

Because they are either going too...
a) Use it as cover to extend the deadline yet again.
b) Blame any non-deal on her if it all falls apart.
c) Use it as a partial excuse as to why they agree to everything Iran wants and promise to fix it later somehow.
d) all of the above
e) all of the above and more sh1t we can't even fathom.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (MbrzC)

717 #ImOnTeamGeller

Posted by: I'm a drinker, not a thinker at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (D0Tns)

718 "Stay safe."



Where are you in Dallas County, Michael?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (laa9h)

719 Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (Stqj5)

You do realize that without guys like that they're going to start expecting everyone to pay for porn?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (nFdGS)

720 Come on people ! You know already all money is the right of Obama and he gives themoney to foreignersand jihad. Your money is NOT for you, and as Obama told you; You need to learn to do with LESS. slick willy told you; You don't know how to wisely spend your own money.
You sure don't know how to vote, voting for elitist dirt bags like these !

Posted by: ron n. at May 28, 2015 10:24 PM (YVQn/)

721 @713:

No, I'm a state-level regulator. That said, we have cultivated as many Federal connections as possible (they pay the tuition for many of our training classes).

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:25 PM (WI6nT)

722 "Whatever we decided on price...."


Was it enough?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:25 PM (laa9h)

723 On The Chive, amazing porn industry facts.

Clue: there is money involved.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:26 PM (KKMQQ)

724 Yeah, the maraschino is expensive. Maybe it's
available in the little bottles, so you can try it in a couple of drinks
and see whether you like it.

http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/maraschino/2/usa


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (Zu3d9)




Unfortunately, at my likker store, they only sell one brand...Luxardo...and it's in the big bottle. No biggie, I was just glad to finally find it. It took me three trips to the store to finally locate it. The other times I ended up with gin and bourbon and wine and vodka and vermouth and...

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:26 PM (q20+R)

725 Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:25 PM (WI6nT)

My wife deals with FINRA and the SEC every day.

She is not a fan.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:26 PM (Zu3d9)

726 What is this 'mixed drinks' thing? Like bourbon and rye?

Posted by: GT 5.0 at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (Nk0GK)

727
I like to think that I didn't save the bank reimbursements for invalid charges, but instead saved his right hand from extra work- beating his kid, and working off a $100/mo porn habit.

Posted by: Fringe at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM (Stqj5)







Dude was a fuckin' idiot.

In this day and age, who the hell PAYS for internet porn?????

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (ynQIy)

728 Yelp, got my swim fins and snorkel on ...no pants though.

Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (jWtyG)

729 Was it enough?


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:25 PM (laa9h)



Yes, twas fine.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (q20+R)

730 Do you want to vote for the male Members of Congress who suck dick?
Of course you do on the coasts. Doesn't everyone there suck cock? Of course not. Hence, immigration anarchy.

Posted by: Like, an ejaculation monitor, as it were at May 28, 2015 10:27 PM (Cmzkp)

731 "Clue: there is money involved."


Indeed.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (laa9h)

732 697 electric cars are creepy, they sneak up on you

good for city errands, no emissions for all those historic city centers in Europe wherever, but not much else, and certainly not for interstate freewheeling in the US of A

they're a bicycle version of a car

meh
Posted by: Feh at May 28, 2015 10:17 PM (Uk9e2)



Yeah, that's the case for almost all electric cars. They're designed for short trips in cities. They're perfectly adequate at what they do.

But the Tesla is an altogether different beast. It is a high performance car that is at its best on the open road.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (sdi6R)

733 Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:26 PM (q20+R)

I know this is a bit personal, and I understand if you don't want to answer.

But...what do you use...rye or bourbon, and what kind?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (Zu3d9)

734 On The Chive

Aww, shit. I think I blacked out for a second. I was imagining someone stupid enough to start talking about some retarded website called "the chive" in public. Holy crap, I'm glad I was hallucinating.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (Q819Q)

735 Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:26 PM (q20+R)

Luxardo is the best one, at least to my palate.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:29 PM (Zu3d9)

736 ONT off to an early start.

Y'all have fun.

Posted by: Golfman at May 28, 2015 10:30 PM (48QDY)

737 Snoodling World Champion

No, we were talking about money. We've been talking about money. It's always about the money.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:30 PM (KKMQQ)

738 >>>"He he he over at wz....bikers in AZ gonna hold a draw moe contest. Moe don't surf and sure as hell can't ride...

it is also a 2A demonstration also, muzzies won't do shit cuz bikers will fukk them up.

muzzies generally target the weak/sheep

the only people who fuck with 300 pound bikers is other bikers

Posted by: I'm a drinker, not a thinker at May 28, 2015 10:30 PM (D0Tns)

739 "An Illinois politician."
Ewww. The ickiest kind.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:09 PM

My in-laws who lived all their lives in Chicago and the burbs retired to the Phoenix area.

She got involved in the local school district stuff as a voluteer. She was amazed how corrupt it was, and she worked in the school system in IL.

My response...and you are from Chicago?

Posted by: Farmer at May 28, 2015 10:30 PM (o/90i)

740 "But the Tesla is an altogether different beast. It is a high performance car that is at its best on the open road."


Don't know much about it, but, it's a good looking car. TopGear tested some hybrid Ferrari/Lambo/McClaren something that was absolutely mind blowing.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:31 PM (laa9h)

741 @725:

My condolences. My Federal entanglements are mostly with the FDIC and NCUA.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:31 PM (WI6nT)

742 The Chive?

Yeah, that site's like, totally retarded. and shit.

Posted by: The Caveman Circus at May 28, 2015 10:31 PM (XmOA9)

743 As I recall from closing down my last bank account in the late 1990s, the actual federal reporting number is $500. All transactions of $500 or greater get reported.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 28, 2015 10:32 PM (Q819Q)

744 I know this is a bit personal, and I understand if you don't want to answer.

But...what do you use...rye or bourbon, and what kind?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:28 PM (Zu3d9)



In my Old Fashioned? Bulleit Rye. In a Manhattan I prefer Maker's bourbon.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:32 PM (q20+R)

745 @717: "#ImOnTeamGeller"

Well, our show has been out of production and in syndication for years now, but thank you! Always great to hear from our fans!

Posted by: Courtney Cox and David Schwimmer at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (amQXf)

746 I only visit reposting sites whose domain names end in .onion or .i2p

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (Q819Q)

747 Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:32 PM (q20+R)

Marry me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (Zu3d9)

748 "My response...and you are from Chicago?"


Yeah, I guess it's everywhere. You like to think we're a better country than Mexico or Guatemala or Burkina Faso but a lot of the same shit goes on here as there.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (laa9h)

749 No I don't. What does a tray of those things cost at the grocery store?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:11 PM (laa9h)


$15 for a flat of 12 on Amazon new, more expensive other places, WalMart has Chinese jars cheaper.
Wrong time of the year to buy them at thrift shops and honestly they are spendy there too.

Don't bother buying extra rings, just extra dome lids. Rings don't wear out, and they break less often than even the jars.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:33 PM (t//F+)

750 Rye, bourbon...at this point, what difference does it make? *hic*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at May 28, 2015 10:34 PM (Dwehj)

751 When does the reporting requirement intersect with scratch off ticket prices? Watched a guy buy a $20 scratch off today. Noticed on the Texas Lotto web page that they have some for $50.

This create a perverse incentive for the state to not teach kids anything about economics and finance.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at May 28, 2015 10:36 PM (zauWW)

752 You want to the real reason they are going after Hastert?

The Hastert Rule.

John Boner need not fear them coming after him.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 28, 2015 10:36 PM (V70Uh)

753 in keeping with the liquor discussion, a joke.
But only the punch line.
"no thanks, if six shots won't kill the taste....."

Posted by: The Caveman Circus at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (XmOA9)

754 in keeping with the liquor discussion, a joke.
But only the punch line.
"no thanks, if six shots won't kill the taste....."

Posted by: The Caveman Circus at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (XmOA9)

755 test.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (XmOA9)

756 I'm seeing double.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (Dwehj)

757 @749: "WalMart has Chinese jars cheaper."

And mostly guaranteed to probably not have previously been filled with radioactive cyanide, too!

Posted by: Chinese Jars and Lace Wigs at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (amQXf)

758 Where are you in Dallas County, Michael?

Near Jupiter and Bush. And you?

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 28, 2015 10:38 PM (0RdKg)

759 Ok about to turn in but I had no idea they made a marichino liquor. I am so going to look into it. And need recipes. But not tonight.

Posted by: Lea at May 28, 2015 10:38 PM (vmMMi)

760
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 28, 2015 10:15 PM (hCdMd)






Used to have my checking at Wells Fargo years ago. Went in to deposit a check, and while the teller is doing the data entry, the manager comes walking by and looks over the teller's shoulder, reads my info, and starts trying to get me to open a savings account as well. I just want to make a deposit and be on my way, but this scrunt is blabbing on about how I REALLY need a savings account. There's a line of people listening to her as she's READING SHIT FROM MY ACCOUNT OUT LOUD.

Cur says....loudly..... "Fuck This. Gimme my check back. Close my account. Now"

"You can't do that."

"ARE YOU REFUSING TO GIVE ME MY OWN MONEY FROM MY OWN ACCOUNT?"

*looks out at the people in line*

"Uhhhhhhh....."

Had to take a long lunch to open an account at Washington Mutual less than an hour later.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 28, 2015 10:39 PM (ynQIy)

761 I'm seeing double.


Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (Dwehj


That's twice tonight for me. Just lucky I guess.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:39 PM (XmOA9)

762 "no thanks, if six shots won't kill the taste....."
Posted by: The Caveman Circus

"no thanks, if six shots won't kill the taste....."
Posted by: The Caveman Circus


What they don't want you to know is that there were twelve shots ...

*toot*
*SNNNNNIIIIFFFFF*

Posted by: Oliver Stone at May 28, 2015 10:40 PM (uctT+)

763 "$15 for a flat of 12 on Amazon"


Okay, not bad. Especially if you get to re-use them.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:42 PM (laa9h)

764 @759: "I had no idea they made a marichino liquor. I am so going to look into it. And need recipes."

Oh, grow a pair, princess!

Posted by: Jeppson's Malort at May 28, 2015 10:42 PM (amQXf)

765 "I remember back when Obama was demanding something from congress, what ever it was, that Obama had a deadline, that got moved when congress didn't give him what he wanted. "
----
Only none of that happened. What he wanted from congress was for them NOT to do anything as they were wanting to move forward with sanctions, or more specifically removing some of his authority to do what he been doing in waving ones already passed. He claimed..."I need more time, you'll see it'll be so worth it, come guys don't scare away my friends in Iran they are almost there!" So congress didn't do sh1t. The Senate being the pussies they are then agreed as it relates to whatever the hell barry\iran comes up with they can vote on, but not for passage, there will be a vote only if they want to object to it, so it'll need 60 votes to block it, instead of needing 60 votes to pass it.

Last I checked a treaty required 66 votes in the affirmative... but you know it's not technically a treaty, and even if it is basically a treaty..well it's not because Constitution Smonstitution and I'm Obama and I say so. Actually it is a good thing that it isn't a treaty so the next administration can reneg on if they want.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:42 PM (MbrzC)

766 Cur says....loudly..... "Fuck This. Gimme my check back. Close my account. Now"

Well done, up twinkles.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at May 28, 2015 10:43 PM (zauWW)

767 Actually it is a good thing that it isn't a treaty so the next administration can reneg on if they want.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:42 PM (MbrzC)


Hahahahahaha! Now THAT is a punch line.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:45 PM (XmOA9)

768 @751:

The threshold for lottery winnings is $600 on a single ticket. Stay under that and they'll give you the cash. Go over that and you'll be directed to Lottery HQ where they'll need all your ID and your SSN so they can send you a W-2G come tax time.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:45 PM (WI6nT)

769 OK kiddos, bedtime. See you before the sun comes up.


RK, I'll email you when I do the jam. It may be this weekend if I feel froggy. If not, look for August.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at May 28, 2015 10:45 PM (q20+R)

770 "Near Jupiter and Bush. And you?"


Ah, Plano.


I'm in Kennedale. Near Mansfield.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:46 PM (laa9h)

771 Casino limit is 1000

Posted by: E.T. at May 28, 2015 10:46 PM (K+RBk)

772
Wells Fargo
Posted by: IllTemperedCur




You know, went inside a Wells Fargo branch for the first time in years recent;y, had to update some account info in person, and they did everything short of giving me a full release Thai massage. Wonderful customer service experience.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (kdS6q)

773 "It may be this weekend if I feel froggy. If not, look for August."


Okay. Don't worry about it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (laa9h)

774 @771:

Until the next IRS audit.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (WI6nT)

775 Punchline:

I'm trying to get the taste out of my mouth.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (V70Uh)

776 ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:42 PM

Google served up a selection of articles going back to Feb '15. There was a date in March, then May, now June.

No, I didn't read the articles, I'm a maroon.

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (KKMQQ)

777 "752 You want to the real reason they are going after Hastert?

The Hastert Rule.
John Boner need not fear them coming after him.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 28, 2015 10:36 PM (V70Uh) "
----
Haha /me hands you a cookie for that one.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (MbrzC)

778 Had to take a long lunch to open an account at Washington Mutual less than an hour later.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 28, 2015 10:39 PM (ynQIy)

****

About a year ago I brought Wells a check to zero out a smal credit card balance I had. I told them that that was done I wanted to close the account. I listened for about a minute to why this was a bad idea from an Asst. Mgr. I repeated my request, and was told a Manager was needed to "sign off" on the closure, and that none were available. I pulled out the card and tore it into quarters and dumped it on the counter, and left. Moved all to a local CU the next day.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 28, 2015 10:48 PM (cIoI4)

779 And mostly guaranteed to probably not have previously been filled with radioactive cyanide, too!
Posted by: Chinese Jars and Lace Wigs at May 28, 2015 10:37 PM (amQXf)


Glass is glass, and generally non-reactive. Unless you use lead to get the greenish color that gets there when you have Iron present, or other additives that were really useful when you were doping your silicon for electronics but might leach out when stored with something acid like peaches.
So I don't buy it.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 28, 2015 10:49 PM (t//F+)

780 More Hastert


He has agreed to go to prison

As long as the "musconduct" is kept secret

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 10:49 PM (dw7lk)

781 "Hahahahahaha! Now THAT is a punch line.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 28, 2015 10:45 PM (XmOA9) "
----
I'm glad you got it.

You'll hear GOPe's pitching that tune though (along with "we just need the WH in 2016 everyone vote for us and we can fix it ") when Mitchy does nothing or has an objection vote that fails.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:50 PM (MbrzC)

782 "Had to take a long lunch to open an account at Washington Mutual less than an hour later."


It's funny, I had been somewhat looking at changing banks and I hadn't even thought about this law until this came up today. I assume someone closing out accounts at one bank in order to open them at another looks no different.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 10:51 PM (laa9h)

783 Baltimore: "Space to Destroy."


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 28, 2015 10:51 PM (V70Uh)

784 Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 10:47 PM (KKMQQ)
---
No problem btw the short anwser really was, yes Obama\Kerry has set and moved the date time and time again not the 'negotiator'.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:52 PM (MbrzC)

785 I guess the point of all this is to keep your cash in your mattress.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 28, 2015 06:36 PM (kCLGY)


Hey... You don't think that's why Mattress Girl carries hers around all the time.... Naw, couldn't be, right?

Posted by: jwpaine at May 28, 2015 10:53 PM (0bXhD)

786 "More Hastert
He has agreed to go to prison

As long as the "musconduct" is kept secret

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 10:49 PM
----
Seriously?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:53 PM (MbrzC)

787 Sorry, I had to go downstairs to watch "Up" again. Because SQUIRREL! Anyway.

Personally when I get pulled over for a speeding ticket, my *first* thought is that I need to empty my bank account and hand over the deed to my house just to get it off my record. And to pass on half my paycheck for years too.

/pounds that sarc tag

This is obviously something bigger than an average infraction.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 10:54 PM (AVEe1)

788 The misconduct must have transpired on pedophile island.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at May 28, 2015 10:54 PM (zauWW)

789 Hastert has agreed to go to prison

As long as the "musconduct" is kept secret


So, that answers the question, doesn't it?

Live Boy.

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 28, 2015 10:55 PM (KCxzN)

790 Dude, at this point I'm wondering about Dead Llama.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 10:56 PM (AVEe1)

791 Hastert has agreed to go to prison

As long as the "misconduct" is kept secret


Is there such a thing as a "secret"?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (W5DcG)

792 "A piece of evidence introduced in the Tehran trial of Washington Post reporter Jason Rezaian is an online job application for a position in the Obama administration that the journalist submitted unsuccessfully in 2008, The Post's executive editor said Thursday."
-WaPo.

Let that be a lesson to reporters trying to go work for an administration. /sarc

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (MbrzC)

793 Oh, we could be convinced to look the other way if you were to make an additional, tiny deposit...

Posted by: The Clinton Foundation at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (FcR7P)

794 Hastert has agreed to go to prison



As long as the "musconduct" is kept secret


He must be a moron. Whatever he did will come out eventually one way or the other.

Posted by: Aviator at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (sQzB6)

795 We ell

Buzzfeed is reporting that sources have told them that Hastert agreed to jail as long as the underlying misconduct was not cited in the indictment

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 10:58 PM (dw7lk)

796 Is there such a thing as a "secret"?

Not really.

Posted by: Jack Ryan at May 28, 2015 10:59 PM (UVfht)

797 791 Hastert has agreed to go to prison

As long as the "misconduct" is kept secret

Is there such a thing as a "secret"?


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (W5DcG)


Andddd.... Hastert will soon both be in Jail, AND whatever he was covering up will soon be out...

Why?

Republican... the media will be on this like a school of Sharks with chum in the water...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 10:59 PM (qh617)

798 Ok, so what else, who else?

and the Clinton's are not nervous at all. Odd what?

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (KKMQQ)

799 "
Hastert has agreed to go to prison"



Well, if so, yeah. Sounds kinda bad.


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (laa9h)

800 wow am I late to the party.


but yeah, I'm sure it's been said -- keep your money in greenbacks or something easily convertible to greenbacks without the govt knowing (like metals) when possible.

Obviously modern financing makes it more difficult, but I try to keep as much cash outside of the banks as possible.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (AkOaV)

801
As long as the "musconduct" is kept secret

Denny: Hey guys, I am cool with being blackmailed. Just take care of your competition and we are golden.

Posted by: tbodie at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (W2Fol)

802 791 Hastert has agreed to go to prison

As long as the "misconduct" is kept secret

Is there such a thing as a "secret"?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 28, 2015 10:57 PM (W5DcG)


Is there anybody in DC who isn't some kind of pervert?

Our country is in the best of hands.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 11:00 PM (sdi6R)

803 648 If I were elected those fcukers would be destitute
because the revolving door between congress and the whores on K street
would be closed.

Then, and only then, when they were poor, would I go after them with criminal indictments.

And the best part? Guantanamo? No, we aren't closing it....we're making it a political crimes prison.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 28, 2015 10:02 PM (Zu3d9)


OK, you win. *raises Old Fashioned in tribute*

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Wow. I haven't read, like, any of this, but I like this.

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at May 28, 2015 11:01 PM (1WydT)

804 Well if he is a pedo I don't give a shit. He should die in a fire

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:01 PM (dw7lk)

805 Hastert ... must be a moron

If he was an HQ moron, he'd own up to that shit when drunk on the ONT one night and put it on his resume three weeks later.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (AVEe1)

806 Can we get a re-examination of the Justice Roberts decision on Obamacare?

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (KKMQQ)

807 Top Ten Things Hastert Is Hiding

10. Spooged on a Hillary poster.

9. Spooged on a Bubba poster

Posted by: eman at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (MQEz6)

808 ... unless it was pedobear stuff of course.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (AVEe1)

809 OT slightly
I so want someone to ask Hillary on the campaign trail if she still holds it against Dorthy for dropping her house on Clinton's sister and has she forgiven Dorthy.
#WarOnWimmenzfromOz

Posted by: prophet at May 28, 2015 11:02 PM (Nk5Nk)

810 804 Well if he is a pedo I don't give a shit. He should die in a fire

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:01 PM (dw7lk)


No.... if he is a Pedo, or something, then he should be in Jail for THAT...

Or Justice is NOT served....

This Catch-22 is a bogus tactic.... get him on the original charge.... not for using his own money...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (qh617)

811 "
Is there such a thing as a "secret"?"


Not really. It'll probably come out eventually. Tryst at work. Some dirty dealings. Secrets are normally leverage.



Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (laa9h)

812 @800:

You'd best be careful in distributing those old bills. Bringing a bunch of old-style cash (circa 1995 or so) into a bank is an instant SAR.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (WI6nT)

813 Na. Fuck him

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:05 PM (dw7lk)

814 So, that answers the question, doesn't it?
Live Boy
------

It's gotta be even more than that, like, Live boy with pics. Or... idk maybe live boy + dead girl?

Say I'm 73? I've got cash to burn on a defense, what's the max I can get worst case for structuring? I mean if it's 1-5 ok maybe I cut a deal, but longer than that, screw it I'd fight it and take my chances and if un-prosecutable things come on in the process so be it. Cause if I cut a deal and go to prison person-A or anyone else in the know can (and very likely will) leak it or can write a tell all the moment I go behind bars anyway, I'm supposed to 'trust' multiple people to keep it quite. yeah right.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:05 PM (MbrzC)

815 You'd best be careful in distributing those old bills. Bringing a bunch of old-style cash (circa 1995 or so) into a bank is an instant SAR.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (WI6nT)

I have some old Canadian currency ($25 CAD) that I was keeping as a souvenier. Am I going to jail now?

Posted by: Victor Lozencowski at May 28, 2015 11:06 PM (KKMQQ)

816 812 @800:

You'd best be careful in distributing those old bills. Bringing a bunch of old-style cash (circa 1995 or so) into a bank is an instant SAR.
Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (WI6nT)


I exchanged my old bills for new ones as soon as they became available.

Posted by: rickl at May 28, 2015 11:06 PM (sdi6R)

817 "795 We ell

Buzzfeed is reporting that sources have told them that Hastert agreed to jail as long as the underlying misconduct was not cited in the indictment

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 10:58 PM"
----

JHC this guy is even more stupid than I thought, did they mention if this idiot has any kind of counsel?


Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:06 PM (MbrzC)

818 He may be trying to spare his family. Or stop others from coming out of the wood work

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:07 PM (dw7lk)

819 *Brings an indictment upon the ONT*

Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:07 PM (TEpA2)

820 @810:

The cash issues filed with Treasury are what spooked Federal law enforcement to him in the first place. The indictment filed for cash structuring allows the entire weight of the US Attorney's office to press on him and a superseding indictment appears to be in play. Given that he was once a wrestling coach I have a sad feeling as to where this will end.

[/Sandusky]

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:08 PM (WI6nT)

821 His lawyers allegedly negotiated the deal not to put the misconduct in the indictment

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:08 PM (dw7lk)

822 Geebus.

800+

Evening horde.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 28, 2015 11:08 PM (XAFOu)

823
I'm watching Blazing Saddles on Esqure Network and, for once, the uncensored version is being shown.

What is so sad is that today's special snowflakes and SJWs have no idea why this film is so funny and effectively skewers bigotry by being so.

We are deep inside a long dark adit and our candle is about to gutter out, folks.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 28, 2015 11:09 PM (95CzI)

824 @815:

Need to add a few zeroes before you're even a blip on the radar.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:09 PM (WI6nT)

825
He was only sixteen, only sixteen
With eyes that would glow

But he was too young to fall in love
And I was too young to know

Posted by: Dennis Hastert:

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 11:09 PM (kdS6q)

826 You pay one person 3.5 mill. What if there a five people like that one. You could go bankrupt

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:10 PM (dw7lk)

827 Dark thoughts here:

A 73/m confronted by records of some drunken / drug-fueled indiscretion with "but he told me he was 19" dredged up from many decades ago might just take the short way out.

His legacy would be shot anyway. He's not got further ambitions. All he's got to look forward to is weeks of reporters shoving microphones in his face. Or pedo prison, yay!

The offer to take the prison sentence on those terms looks VERY bad.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 11:10 PM (AVEe1)

828 The "Sixteen" songs of the 50s are creepy now, suffice it to say.

Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:11 PM (TEpA2)

829 So if I pull all my money out of the bank and throw it in the lake to keep my guns company will the G Men come for me?

Posted by: fairweatherbill at May 28, 2015 11:12 PM (xrURQ)

830 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 28, 2015 10:39 PM (ynQIy)

/applaud

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 28, 2015 11:12 PM (0NdlF)

831 g'night, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 28, 2015 11:12 PM (KCxzN)

832 I am guessing Hastert bears some responsibility for the odious legislation that bit him in the butt. It is kind of hard to have any sympathy for him.

Stop passing stupid laws and maybe you won't have to worry about the stupid laws you passed.

Of course, if he were a Democrat, there wouldn't be any issue at all.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at May 28, 2015 11:13 PM (wV2Kr)

833 The ONT is my destiny


Shut up and ONT

Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (TEpA2)

834 "So if I pull all my money out of the bank and throw it in the lake to keep my guns company will the G Men come for me?"


Guns in lake. Then, like $500 at a time 'til your done. Don't mix the two.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (laa9h)

835 @829:

Cash? Yes. Bank Check? No.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (WI6nT)

836 The ONT is my destiny
Shut up and ONT


You're holding back.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (UVfht)

837 "
Is there anybody in DC who isn't some kind of pervert? "
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Probably not, which is why none of this actually surprises me. I should be shocked, horrified even, I'm not, I assume 9 out of 10 of them are freaks, and 5 out of 10 are doing something illegal in any given week.
--

"This Catch-22 is a bogus tactic.... get him on the original charge.... not for using his own money...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 11:03 PM (qh617) "
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I agree, but here we are.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:15 PM (MbrzC)

838 Have to say, as bad as this line looked, it's coming in like a lamb. Sorta relieved. Knocking on wood.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 28, 2015 11:16 PM (laa9h)

839 You're holding back.


Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 28, 2015 11:14 PM (UVfht)


You are correct....

Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:16 PM (TEpA2)

840 Hasert had a hand baby. Paying off his other hand.

Posted by: dogfish at May 28, 2015 11:16 PM (jWtyG)

841 May Al Roker accept your offer of a mustache ride after Taco Tuesday.

Posted by: Carnac the Maleficent at May 28, 2015 11:16 PM (IRBGz)

842 @838:

On Broadway??

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 28, 2015 11:17 PM (WI6nT)

843


Carousel! Renew!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 28, 2015 11:17 PM (kdS6q)

844 Shut up and Blanco with me!

Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:17 PM (TEpA2)

845 Denny, can we please keep it out of the papers?

Posted by: The Chicken at May 28, 2015 11:17 PM (uGrec)

846 I agree, but here we are.


Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:15 PM (MbrzC)


And the Government will now use this case as an argument as to WHY they need this power...

Once again limiting Freedom... once more letting the Government know more and more about you...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (qh617)

847 If he is a pedo, and that we're known, he would never have made that money. But he did. If he is a pedo he really damaged some people. I don't care if he loses every fucking penny

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (dw7lk)

848 Shut up and Blanco with me!

I'm flattered, but that's still illegal in 17 states and frowned upon in two others.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (UVfht)

849 Oh corgi's!

Posted by: speedster1 on the ipad at May 28, 2015 11:19 PM (1brdf)

850 ONT.

Posted by: Vendette at May 28, 2015 11:19 PM (TEpA2)

851 Meanwhile, Hillary bathes in the blood of virgins financed by George Soros and the Russian mafia laundered through Bill's bimbo account on Pedo Island.

And ABC News does a story on her fantastic beauty treatment.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 28, 2015 11:19 PM (oVJmc)

852 You can't take money out in structured amounts under the reporting limits, whatever they are. And if law enforcement catch you with too much cash, it's confiscated and it's implied that you're a drug dealer. Nice country that we live in.

Posted by: fairweatherbill at May 28, 2015 11:19 PM (xrURQ)

853 848 Shut up and Blanco with me!

I'm flattered, but that's still illegal in 17 states and frowned upon in two others.


Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (UVfht)


Blanco in Spanish literally means White Person...

ergo... going Blanco is RAAAAACIST!!!!

Posted by: La Raza, who is NOT RAAAAACist.... really... I mean it... at May 28, 2015 11:20 PM (qh617)

854 I will awesome if it is revealed Hastert was pulling the cash to send to the WJC, LLC.

Posted by: Jean at May 28, 2015 11:24 PM (ztOda)

855 821 His lawyers allegedly negotiated the deal not to put the misconduct in the indictment

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 28, 2015 11:08 PM (dw7lk)
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They have negotiated for more than just that.

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His legacy would be shot anyway. He's not got further ambitions. All he's got to look forward to is weeks of reporters shoving microphones in his face. Or pedo prison, yay!
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 28, 2015 11:10 PM
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Well only if that pedo stuff is recent, if it's distant past he could just do the time on the structuring (if he loses) and flip the bird to the press and fly the coup to some nice island somewhere, I mean damage is done why hang around anyway. I guess it depends on what the offer was in terms of time, if it's 6mo... yeah sure, just take it and be done with it but if you think this isn't leaking out at least in "unconfirmed" ways you gotta be kidding yourself. no?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:24 PM (MbrzC)

856 If only Hastert had set up the Hastert Foundation for Teen Spirit and made his deposits donations into that, then hired Person 1 as a consultant to said corp that did at least some nominal bs for 1hr a week for big$ per year.....along with some token charity event or fundraiser... Fucking GOPe amateurs.


Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:29 PM (MbrzC)

857 "And the Government will now use this case as an argument as to WHY they need this power...

Once again limiting Freedom... once more letting the Government know more and more about you...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 28, 2015 11:18 PM (qh617) "
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Which is why to me this case isn't about Hastert's "bad deed" no matter how despicable to me, that's entirely a sideshow, but of course the one everyone will focus on instead of the BS around structuring and similar BS with regard to asset forfeiture that affects or can affect us all.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 28, 2015 11:32 PM (MbrzC)

858 Let this be a lesson, if you're ever blackmailed, take your lumps now.

If he's a pedophile he deserves everything that's coming to him but I do think this is a bullshit way to prosecute someone.

This was clearly a political prosecution. You either have the real evidence or you don't.

And the person doing the blackmailing should be getting indicted but I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: Kal at May 29, 2015 12:11 AM (Q6FhU)

859 The person who Hatret gave the money to lives in the same town the poor Denny tat aught high school and Aldo was the wrestling coach
Gee I wonder why he gave MILLIONS. To keep a secret that might go back to his being a high school teacher ?

Posted by: Saddam at May 29, 2015 06:27 AM (Aavad)

860 No one has money in the bank. People have IOUs and the government decides how, when and if you can redeem those IOUs. The government is never going to give up this power. You want the power to control your own money? Bitcoin.

Posted by: CryptoCox at May 29, 2015 07:38 AM (E5v2B)

861 Of what value is it to the IRS to know you've withdrawn money from your account?

Posted by: Paladin at May 29, 2015 08:55 AM (mCOPv)

862 Underage Dominican hookers!!

Posted by: righter at May 29, 2015 09:08 AM (r6HrP)

863 @7 @13
Or it should be known what exactly amounts to violating the law.
You want something more than just under $10,000 deposits or withdrawals in cash? Specify what should be reported - like more than $30,000 in 7 business days if any deposits or withdrawals were over $4,000. The withdrawals themselves are not illegal. Have the bank report whatever it reports.
On the other hand, for targeting - to alert the U.S. Attorney that there might be some underlying crime involved here, might be OK.
Has anyone ever been caught because structuring, as opposed to reported transactions, was detected? Even for tax evasion? Whatever, let that trigger an investigation, but let taht not be a crime in itself.
Also, this lying to the FBI law (when not warned of the penalty for perjury) is probably a bad law. That can also be obstruction of jstice but there's got to be an underlying crime.

Posted by: Sammy Finkelman at May 29, 2015 10:06 AM (AJ7Ny)

864 @13 <i> Either you breach the legal limit or you don't, and if you don't, you should be left alone. </i>
The point is there is no legal limit. It's just that above a certain point it's required to be reported. Banks actually have told people to avoid depositing over $10,000 because it is a burden on them.
What they made into a crime was evading the reporting requirement.
Hastert actually had been withdrawing over $50,000 in cash a number of times. The bank eventually asked him why he was doing it.
After that Hastert kept his withdrawals under $10,000.
This was his big crime, and there was no mistaking his motive for keeping his withdrawals to under $10,000 a piece or maybe a day.
Had he kept on withdrawing larger amounts there would be no crime, but the bank might have closed his account because they don't like getting questioned on whether or not they are facilitating crimes, not just terrorism, although terrrorism is the big motivator,and there could be some regulatory consequences for being the wrong kind of bank. They'd be looked at more closely, and maybe not forgiven for other faults so easily.
They are under a lot of pressure to "know your customer.".

Posted by: Sammy Finkelman at May 29, 2015 10:17 AM (AJ7Ny)

865 80 Banks don't pay interest anymore. Hastert should have put the money in an envelope ant taped it to the bottom of one of his page's toy box.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 28, 2015 06:39 PM (3A2nj)
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That's pretty much what he said. He told the FBI that the reason he was doing it was because he didn't trust banks any more because of the financial crisis (indeed any amount in the same bank over $250,000) is not insured.
Although it is easy enough for someone to to buy Treasury notes or to arrange to deposit the money in lots of banks around the country. They did that in the 1980s to get interest from bad Savings and Loans.
Hastert claimed he still had the cash, and had been afraid to keep all that much money in a bank.
He got indicted for that. Plus the structuring.
New York Governor Eliott Spitzer who also structured withdrawals to pay prostitutes, and hide it from his wife, probably resigned to avoid being prosecuted. Hastert was already out of Congress and couldn't resign from anything.
It's possible whoever was involved decided that the blackmailer was a more sympathetic person than the extortion victim.

Posted by: Sammy Finkelman at May 29, 2015 10:27 AM (AJ7Ny)

866 Thanks Ace! I could not figure out what Denny Hastert was being accused of!

I don't care enough to read a whole bunch of stories, but the one I read was so vague... I couldn't make heads or tails out of it.

So now we know... he spent his own money on something.

That is a crime! He should be using foreign money for his pay offs... like the Clintons.

Seriously, they are investigating Hastert, but not Hillary?

Didn't she pay the one guy $10,000 a month for some undisclosed purpose, something to do with under the table weapons to Syria or Lybia or somethhing?

Posted by: petunia at May 29, 2015 10:51 AM (VoCyE)

867 It almost seems like we can't do whatever we want with our own money anymore. Guess we're living in the Land of the Used-To-Be-Free and the Home of the Knaves, or are we living in Mexico now? Because if you get pulled over by a cop in Mexico they basically rob you. Hastert aside, there seems to be a lot of this highway robbery going on around the country, and it's just the same b.s.. - you can't do whatever you want with your own money. You can't take it out of the bank. You can't drive around in your car with it. You can't keep it in your pocket.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at May 29, 2015 12:29 PM (2/oBD)

868 It's a bad law but I am happy Hastert is going to jail.

Has everyone forgotten how bills regularly got larded with pork barrel spending while Hastert was speaker? Has everyone forgotten how in 2006 the Democrats and the media based their campaign on how sleazy the House Republicans had become? Cam you recall what passed during the four years the Democrats got back in control?

In 1980 Dennty Hastert entered politics as a teacher/coach from a school district in a county in the Chicago exurbs. Today he is a multimillionaire. He didn't get that money by saving out of his salary. Hastert was a full member of the Illinois Combine, the bipartisan group of reprobates under whose control Illinois has become bankrupt. .

I wish he'd been indicted for one of his sleazy land deals instead, but he belongs in jail.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at May 29, 2015 01:01 PM (8yAxC)

869 It would be easy to say "Good for Denny. The bastard got what he deserved: punishment for using his ill-gotten gains." But that is a candy-assed way of looking at this. It isn't justice by any measure or contortion of the definition of the word. This outrageous law and all existing property forfeiture laws; its evil twin that allows government agents to seize the lawfully acquired property of a person "just because" are flagrant violations of the Constitution and exist solely because the SCOTUS has failed, utterly, to live up to the Constitution that allows for it to exist. Judges who continue to approve of these patently unconstitutional practices should be impeached and disbarred.

Posted by: Romeg at May 29, 2015 01:05 PM (/AS/Q)

870 Why repeal it? It's not bullshit, it exposes criminal wrongdoing.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at May 29, 2015 03:38 PM (8rRE+)

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