Meet the Real Abortion Extremists: Colorado Legislatures Are So Zealously Committed to Abortion, They Will Not Even Criminalize Killers Who Cut Babies Out of Their Mothers' Wombs Against Their Wishes

That is not some hypothetical, of course -- that just happened. An attacker stabbed a pregnant woman in her home, and left her for dead -- but not before cutting her baby out of her.

The baby died, the woman did not -- but this grisly murderer can't be charged with murder, because prosecutors claim the law doesn't permit murder charges involving a fetus. (Though I smell a strong whiff of "I don't want to" in this claim of "I can't.")

So some Colorado legislatures want to write the law so that it explicitly covers this situation.

But abortion extremists -- the real abortion extremists -- insist that cutting a pregnant woman's baby out of her and killing it, even against her wishes, should not be a crime in and of itself. You could charge this guy with assault for cutting the woman -- but the deliberate cutting out of her unborn child would support no further charges, because it's simply not a life. It's not even property that could be vandalized.

Not even that.

This law, by the way, explicitly exempts voluntary abortions. So it can't be claimed this is back-dooring a ban. Nope, abortions are outside the scope of this bill.

It is opposed only on "What it says" about a fetus.

The truth is that pro-choice advocates don't want district attorneys prosecuting people for killing fetuses because it sets up two dangerous debates.

First, the act of humanizing unborn babies that women want to keep means humanizing unborn babies others do not want to keep. Aurora [the slain baby] got a name, but the other third-trimester babies disposed of arenít as fortunate.

Secondly, any admission by liberals that life in the womb is human life worthy of protections sets up a host of uncomfortable philosophical questions and legal precedents. For starters, how can the act of killing a fetus -- granted, for different purposes and with very different levels of violence -- end a human life in one instance and not the other?

...

So here are a few questions reporters may want to ask liberal politicians at some point: Do you believe ending the life of a seven-month-old fetus without the motherís permission should be considered a homicide? How about a nine-month-old fetus? If so, why isnít a post 20-week abortion also a homicide? What would Hillaryís answer be? Iím sure weíll find out.

Iíve read plenty regarding the Colorado legislature debate about this case, and I can't find a reporter asking anything resembling a grilling. Since the media demands GOPers explain their position on rape and incest exemptions, the above seems like a reasonable line of inquiry.

But the media won't ask, because the media is not interested in informing the public or testing candidates' philosophies; they are only concerned with propagandizing in favor of their beloved Democrat Party.

This is, of course, a #LocalCrimeStory only.


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1 Link?

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 17, 2015 02:22 PM (FE+I8)

2 it's ALLL Link, baby!!!

Posted by: ace at April 17, 2015 02:23 PM (PA7DS)

3 You could charge this guy with assault for cutting the woman

It was another woman that did it Ace. She wanted the baby.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 17, 2015 02:24 PM (ODxAs)

4
But this is a "social issue" so we better not talk about it or else we'll never win any elections ever again.


/S

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2015 02:26 PM (St6BJ)

5 Playing word games with "fetus" and all that -- just admit what you're supporting already.

Posted by: brak at April 17, 2015 02:26 PM (Tj+s6)

6
This has been a pet peeve of mine. But the proposed laws were "back dooring" anti-abortion arguments. If you say this CO law doesnt, great. It's sickening that these types of crimes are treated as assaults.

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 17, 2015 02:27 PM (iQIUe)

7 In before Froo Froo gets here to try to justify cutting a kid out of a womb.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 17, 2015 02:27 PM (nL0sw)

8 I'm so old, I remember it was a baby if the mother wanted it to be a baby.

Now it doesn't matter what the mother wants. Thanks, fymynysts.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 17, 2015 02:27 PM (ZKzrr)

9 I think I'm done with all the teasing.

Posted by: SMOD at April 17, 2015 02:27 PM (87y4e)

10 Now we know why that state legalized dope.

Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2015 02:28 PM (VndSC)

11 Conservatives can use this as a club to wield over the leftards during elections. Perfect example of leftard philosophy.

Posted by: maddogg at April 17, 2015 02:28 PM (xWW96)

12 Abortion is a sacrament and the only true religion besides global warming.

Posted by: Low Info Franchise at April 17, 2015 02:28 PM (ucB75)

13 The Party of Peace. Pieces. Whatever.

Posted by: Biblio at April 17, 2015 02:28 PM (7o8VY)

14
The underground Iron Dome: Israel unveils 'first of its kind' system that will detect Hamas fighters attempting to tunnel their way across the border

http://goo.gl/sHbVmu

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 17, 2015 02:28 PM (iQIUe)

15 Finally some people with their heads on right.

Posted by: Mr. Mu Mu at April 17, 2015 02:28 PM (zt+N6)

16 Nope. I got nuthin'. Pure, triple-distilled, self-centered evil.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 17, 2015 02:28 PM (h4vJk)

17 Hmmm. Shall we summon the horde? But then we risk also alerting the trolls...

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 17, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)

18 Shit, that's disgusting.

The slippery slope doesn't have an ending point?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 17, 2015 02:29 PM (H8u6z)

19 Wendy Davis moved to CO?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 17, 2015 02:29 PM (/Um0F)

20 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:29 PM (kff5f)

21 Urban Colorado is full of lefty pinko death cultists.

But I think the tide is turning.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 02:29 PM (zRby/)

22 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:29 PM (kff5f)

23 Priests of Moloch.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM (kff5f)

24 I truly do not understand the world in which I am living.

Posted by: huerfano at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM (bynk/)

25 Colorado is a lovely state, maybe the most beautiful in the nation. Houses way too many leftist nutjobs. I'll probably not go back there again in my lifetime.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM (TOk1P)

26 Now it doesn't matter what the mother wants.

Just wait 'til we're done with your kid's school!

Posted by: Sexual freedomists and the Washington Post Cat Lady at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM (J0IP0)

27

Well,, if she were wearing a planed parenthood t-shirt then it was okay.....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM (HSmrB)

28 So the assailant is not being charged with anything at all, not even assault? Haven't seen an update with any charges mentioned.

Cut up a woman, all's well that ends well?

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM (/X7ln)

29 I'm embarrassed by what my state has become.

These are the Denver/Boulder area representatives of former Californians. Yegads.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM (yxw0r)

30 An ELE is about all I've got, but I can sort of aim. Would you like the Colorado legislature to die first or last?

Posted by: SMOD at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM (87y4e)

31 I wanna see mini moo twist this one.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 02:31 PM (zRby/)

32 The left will never be satisfied. No matter how much you give them, no matter how much they get, it will never be enough. There is no depravity too far, they will accept no restriction on their desires.

What ever happens, it will never be their fault. They are the superior human, without fault, without blame.

Posted by: Spectating the Absurd at April 17, 2015 02:31 PM (7ehQ2)

33
Secondly, any admission by liberals that life in the womb is human life worthy of protections sets up a host of uncomfortable philosophical questions and legal precedents.

--

This is actually the most prominent point. Over the years, I have had many, many conversations with liberals and pro-abortion leaners, and when we get to the details, they literally cover their ears so as not to hear about the death of a baby, or to think about what happens when a forceps or knife starts pulling the limbs off of a non-sedated baby.

EVERYONE, and I mean everyone, knows that abortion is the killing of a human being, but those on the abortion side just refuse to think about it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2015 02:31 PM (ZkzmI)

34 Also, one of those peterson guys who killed his wife.... The one in California...

He got charged with two homicides -- one for his wife, one for her unborn baby.

I never understand how in liberal Mecca, that could happen.

Either it's a "fetus" which is latin for "unimportant clump of cells" (according to the left) or it's a human life. Can't be both.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 17, 2015 02:31 PM (AkOaV)

35 Death.


The left loves it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 17, 2015 02:31 PM (LA7Cm)

36 I'm embarrassed by what my state has become.

These are the Denver/Boulder area representatives of former Californians. Yegads.


Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM
....I feel your pain man.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 17, 2015 02:31 PM (/Um0F)

37 Placing a value on human life is threatening to the intentions of statists.

Posted by: Papp at April 17, 2015 02:32 PM (jOumW)

38 Oh, yes. This is *exactly* what I needed to read today in my mood.

And I don't even have any work so I can pretend to be busy, all of my tasks were finished by 9:00 AM.

Dammit.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:32 PM (kff5f)

39 >>>>Secondly, any admission by liberals that life in the womb is human life worthy of protections sets up a host of uncomfortable philosophical questions and legal precedents.
.
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.This is the only reason. We cant have people start thinking those clumps of cells are actual human beings now can we? Hmmmm? Might make some women start to think about what they are actually doing, we simply cant have that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 17, 2015 02:32 PM (iONHu)

40 " but the deliberate cutting out of her unborn child would support no further charges, because it's simply not a life."

So Mr./Ms. abortion zealot, when does life start? When does this "mass of cells" become a human life?

Posted by: wrg500 at April 17, 2015 02:32 PM (S+el1)

41 24: Ditto.
I don't understand anything anymore. It's just word salad to those people, and they don't care if real people die if their word salad is pretty.
Nuance is overrated.

Posted by: Biblio at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (7o8VY)

42 21 Urban Colorado is full of lefty pinko death cultists.

But I think the tide is turning.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 02:29 PM (zRby/)

Eh. Maybe when the Californians can all be herded back to their land of origin.

Posted by: joncelli at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (RD7QR)

43 The baby killers may have an argument regarding their first reason for opposing the bill, that it humanizes a fetus and may affect people's emotions, but their second reason is pure BS. No prog ever was the least bit concerned about inconsistency.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (XUKZU)

44 For starters, how can the act of killing a fetus -- granted, for different purposes and with very different levels of violence -- end a human life in one instance and not the other?

It doesn't, but that's not the issue. The issue in this case is is it a crime. In other words, it's undoubtedly a killing, but is it murder?

Posted by: toby928(C) is in a foul mood, again at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (evdj2)

45 25
Colorado is a lovely state, maybe the most beautiful in the nation.
Houses way too many leftist nutjobs. I'll probably not go back there
again in my lifetime. Posted by: BurtTC at April 17, 2015 02:30 PM (TOk1P)


Had a saying in the Navy: "The most beautiful places had the most fvcked up people." Can't remember ever seeing any exceptions to that rule.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (H8u6z)

46 Yet they keep on saying mainstream America is in line with abortion restriction. Yet nobody tries to shove this down everyone's throat as they did with ghey marriage.

Hard to win when you do not even bid on winning positions.

And the left advances little by little even in fields where the majority of americans are against them.

Go Figure.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (rnV3B)

47 AKINS!! AKINS EVERYWHERE!

Posted by: Echoes of Moo at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (jOumW)

48 Posted by: wrg500 at April 17, 2015 02:32 PM (S+el1)

Well the old answer was "whenever the mother says it does"

I guess now the answer is "birth*"

*subject to change at any time.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (AkOaV)

49 If it can live on its own.... even with medical assistance...

Its a person... and IMO HAS the exact same rights as the rest, to LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness..

Before it can live on its own, it can be debated... but once it CAN live on its own... IMO it Murder, whether someone else, or the MOTHER does it.

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (qh617)

50 Just off an hour live chat with an Indian, dot not feather, about TWC cable. ABSOLUTELY no help. NONE.



From dead thread, Please Huck go back to preaching and leave us alone.



ace, I think the abortion issue has changed. The zealots have gone to far. It's a winner for us.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (0FSuD)

51 To explain how hard this hits: I like the Patricia Briggs Mercy Thompson and Alpha and Omega series. The latest Alpha and Omega has a scene in which it *hints* that three children were murdered... and I now can't finish the book.

There is something so evil about killing children that my mind refuses to contemplate it, lest I decide it's something that needs to be avenged.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:34 PM (kff5f)

52
may they all rot in hell

Posted by: kj at April 17, 2015 02:34 PM (lKyWE)

53 The slippery slope doesn't have an ending point?
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 17, 2015 02:29 PM (H8u6z)

Yes, the state gets to force you to have an abortion. It's not a baby therefore it isn't murder. Just the state forcing you to get rid of a clump of cells.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at April 17, 2015 02:34 PM (nRvEn)

54 An attacker stabbed a pregnant woman in her home, and left her for dead,
***********************

So the assailant is not being charged with anything at all, not even assault?
Posted by: Hawkins1701



Should be, at the very least, attempted murder.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2015 02:34 PM (8Fqe6)

55 They'd care if unborn babies voted.

Voted Democrat, that is.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 17, 2015 02:34 PM (jOumW)

56
I think we should compromise with the left on this issue.

From now on, we will count an unborn child as 2/3 of a person.

There is precedent.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (ZkzmI)

57 If the attacker accidentally falls on a bullet I wouldn't be too sad.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (FA3Z7)

58 Had a saying in the Navy: "The most beautiful places had the most fvcked up people." Can't remember ever seeing any exceptions to that rule.


Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (H8u6z)


Taormina Sicily.... the exception that made the rule...

(ret US Navy meself...)

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (qh617)

59 That is odd because other states do provide that sort of protection. At least, that's what I remember from law school.

Now, moving beyond the head scratcher part and into "making everything about politics!" I have to say thank you Sen. Paul for your earlier comments, and thank you weird Coloradoans for providing him with such an awesome piece of back-up material.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Internecine Squabbles Coming to the Outrage Outlet! at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (hLRSq)

60 An attacker stabbed a pregnant woman in her home, and left her for dead,
***********************

So the assailant is not being charged with anything at all, not even assault?
Posted by: Hawkins1701



Should be, at the very least, attempted murder.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2015 02:34 PM
........WTF?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (/Um0F)

61 " "The most beautiful places had the most fvcked up people."


Let's see:

-Cali'
-Colorado
-Hawaii

Check

But, then you got:

-Idaho
-Alaska
-Utah

Hmmm. May be farked up but just in different ways.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (LA7Cm)

62 I'm pro-choice. But this is insane.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (0LHZx)

63 49 If it can live on its own.... even with medical assistance...

Its a person... and IMO HAS the exact same rights as the rest, to LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness..

Before it can live on its own, it can be debated... but once it CAN live on its own... IMO it Murder, whether someone else, or the MOTHER does it.
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (qh617)

Problem is old people may need assistance to live, doesn't make them any less human.

And viability due to technology keeps rolling back the clock for babies in the womb.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (FA3Z7)

64 I remember having an argument similar to this 30 years ago with a young woman who was 'choice'. I said to her if you are pregnant and I come along, stick a gun 'down there' and kill your child, have I committed a crime?

Her eyes opened that day.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (xQX/f)

65 Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2015 02:34 PM (8Fqe6)

From what I read, that's the charge they're going to file. But just because the mother lost a lot of blood.

So in other words, whether she just stabbed the woman with a knife or murdered a baby in the mothers womb, it's the same charge.

Which sounds about right for the left.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)

66 "They'd care if unborn babies voted."...........Apparently you've never heard of Chicago.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (/Um0F)

67 I think I'm done with all the teasing.


Posted by: SMOD at April 17, 2015 02:27 PM (87y4e)


Slacker.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Internecine Squabbles Coming to the Outrage Outlet! at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (hLRSq)

68 So Mr./Ms. abortion zealot, when does life start?
When does this "mass of cells" become a human life?



If they try to use the "passes thru the birth canal" line, ask them if they were delivered via C Section.

If they were, threaten to kill them for not being human.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (8Fqe6)

69 Don't forget the single woman vote went overwhelmingly to that creepy Ed Gein wannabe, Mark "I Wuv Uterus" Udall.

And this is why I say that Colorado has the worst single women in the nation. They love this shit. Luke Crisco had a point that one is better off listening to their vegan tandoori farts than to whatever they have to say.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (yXvWv)

70 There was a post not too long ago at WZ or Tepid Air discussing how secession might come about if it comes. The author must have read some of our threads because he came to the conclusion many here have; that it won't be states seceding from the union, but suburban and countryside seceding from large blue urban areas.

Posted by: Soona at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (/HX7u)

71 What would the penalty be if someone did that to a pregnant dog in Colorado?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (R8hU8)

72 I have to say thank you Sen. Paul for your earlier comments, and thank you weird Coloradoans for providing him with such an awesome piece of back-up material.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Internecine Squabbles Coming to the Outrage Outlet! at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (hLRSq)

What are you talking about reaul?

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 17, 2015 02:37 PM (FA3Z7)

73 62 I'm pro-choice. But this is insane.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (0LHZx)

You, Moo?

Pro Choice?

No kidding?!?

I wouldn't have pegged you as the type.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 17, 2015 02:37 PM (AkOaV)

74 Hey, Dems making ISIS look charitable. Again.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at April 17, 2015 02:37 PM (oDCMR)

75 These people are the left's version of Todd Akin and Santorum. Insane ideas easily cross party lines.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:37 PM (0LHZx)

76 The most controversial post I ever made:

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1595

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Why Sharron Angle's rape/abortion position makes pro-choice me respect her more

Recently, Sharron Angle, Nevada’s Republican nominee for Senate, was savagely criticized by the Harry Reid campaign (her Democratic opponent) and by liberals in general when she reaffirmed her belief that even rape victims who become pregnant should carry their babies to term and not have abortions:

...

But, despite being pro-choice myself, I had the opposite reaction. Angle’s unwavering philosophical consistency was a rare treat to behold in this nation of fickle politicians. Because Angle’s hardline stance is to my mind the only valid pro-life stance.

We’re All Lying

I think both sides of the abortion debate are lying and have been lying since the argument first arose. Anyone who wants to forbid abortion “except in cases of rape or incest” is, frankly, full of crap. And here’s why:

If you truly are “pro-life” in that you believe abortion is murder because the unborn child is a full-fledged human being, then you wouldn’t so casually allow the child to be murdered simply based on its parent’s misbehavior.

...

Allowing a rape-and-incest exception to any abortion ban essentially means we are willing to punish the children for the sins of the father. And that’s not the way our society works.

...


So, even though my pro-choice stance differs from that of Sharron Angle, my admiration for her honesty and moral clarity on the topic trumps my personal opinions about abortion.

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"Read the whole thing," as they say.

Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2015 02:37 PM (K4YiS)

77 I have a proposal that will surely resonate with the deranged leftists, since the beginning of life is entirely variable to them, I would suggest that the next case of child murder is evaluated through this optic: was the murdered child son of leftists? Since they believe that life's beginning is relative, a judge can reasonably declare that the 2 year old kid was not murdered.

See? they enjoy dehumanizing the 'foetus', I am only in favour of dehumanizing THEIR foetuses.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 17, 2015 02:37 PM (rnV3B)

78 Democrats - always demonstrating they are the party of death.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 17, 2015 02:38 PM (vg8iE)

79 Problem is old people may need assistance to live, doesn't make them any less human.

And viability due to technology keeps rolling back the clock for babies in the womb.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (FA3Z7)


The very first line is... if it can live on its own, even WITH medical assistance...

so we actually agree....

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:38 PM (qh617)

80 Aggravated assault, grievous bodily harm, maybe attempted murder but that will depend on the facts of the case.

Just cutting someone is not automatic attempted murder.

And I think there's an element of what the intent of the assailant was at the time of the assault. They would have to KNOW that cutting the baby out would lead to murder and that was their intent.

This is sooo fcuked up.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 02:38 PM (zRby/)

81 Pro choice - unless a man makes that choice for you.

Posted by: Reality Man at April 17, 2015 02:38 PM (BNEdd)

82 I guess now the answer is "birth*"

*subject to change at any time.

Define birth. With modern medical tech there have been cases of pre-mes surviving at 5-6 months gestation. So the goal post of at "birth" moves. At what point does this "MASS of Cells" become protected under the law with all the rights and privileges?

Posted by: wrg500 at April 17, 2015 02:38 PM (S+el1)

83 If we can't kill babies in the womb because "they'd be a burden on the mother," then how could we continue to justify our other favorite practice: Letting old people die because they're too expensive?

They're all--at some level--just a clump of cells.

/s/
Leftists Everywhere

*PS: We also like to see a similar "cost reduction" for caring for the mentally retarded, the disabled and, well, all the poor too. You know, anyone we think doesn't have a life worth living.

PPS: We also have debated--and our brother across the seas have practiced--the killing of those who disagree with us politically.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 17, 2015 02:38 PM (ZvKdv)

84 I'm pro-choice. But this is insane.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (0LHZx)

No, it's perfectly logical.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (nRvEn)

85 So the assailant is not being charged with anything at all, not even assault?

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She was charged with some serious crimes and will almost certainly be going to prison for a long, long time. Speaking of Colorado nutjobs, by the way, they're finally getting around to trying the Aurora theater Joker killer. He should be nothing but a memory by now.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (XUKZU)

86 Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 17, 2015 02:37 PM (FA3Z7)

Rand got asked an abortion question and he said "I'll answer that after you ask debbie wasserman shutlz when life starts. Can you kill a 7 pound baby in the womb?"

And DWS tweeted: "Answer is easy. Its between woman and doctor. NO GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE"

Then she went on cable TV and kind of backed out of the whole abortion thing because she realized only 12% of the country agrees with unlimited abortions on demand at any time for any reason at any point in the pregnancy.

But the story changed from Rands position to a debate on abortion in general.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)

87 We really can't go around just humanizing tiny humans all willy-nilly can we?

Posted by: Jenny Is Really Not That Creepy at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (mB6ez)

88 Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:33 PM (qh617)
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 17, 2015 02:36 PM (FA3Z7)

Further problem being that no one can "live on their own."

Everyone needs food, shelter, clothing, etc. Adults can manage to find those for themselves, but children and infants cannot.

Obviously any infant left alone would starve to death (or die of exposure). Yet we don't suggest they're not alive.

And science (actual science, not "Science!") has already answered the question of when life begins: conception. And once life begins it is a human life- it can be no other. Ergo all the "Natural Rights" apply.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (kff5f)

89 Just cutting someone is not automatic attempted murder

How about kidnapping then?

Posted by: GMan at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (sxq57)

90 Well, here's the thing. California and New York, for example, both have laws that call killing an unborn baby murder if its against the mother's will.

Now every sane, rational human being on earth that has even the most tenuous grasp on law understands that this conclusively and absolutely demonstrates that each state and their laws recognize unborn babies as distinct human beings. But they cling to the laws anyway and pretend abortion isn't killing a human.

Colorado, apparently, has decided to be consistent about it. They're simply noting that killing unborn babies isn't murder no matter how you do it. They're wrong and awful, but at least they're consistent and rational about it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (39g3+)

91 I'm pro-choice. But this is insane.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (0LHZx)


That really is the problem isn't it? The pregnant woman, the mother-to-be didn't have a choice, it was made for her by a third party.

And afterall, isn't that really the story of ObamaCare?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Internecine Squabbles Coming to the Outrage Outlet! at April 17, 2015 02:40 PM (hLRSq)

92 We also like to see a similar "cost reduction" for caring for the mentally retarded, the disabled and, well, all the poor too.

-
Don't forget the progressives and the RINOs.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 17, 2015 02:40 PM (XUKZU)

93 This is where bad law leads us.

And Roe V. Wade is BAD LAW.

For so many reasons.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 02:40 PM (zRby/)

94 Have pity on the criminal. She was turning her life around and going to college. Anyway, that tissue mass would've had too much of a carbon footprint in an already overpopulated world.

Posted by: American Media/Left at April 17, 2015 02:40 PM (PtTYB)

95 But the story changed from Rands position to a debate on abortion in general.

Exactly, he handled it brilliantly, and she did not.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 02:41 PM (39g3+)

96 I'm pro-choice. But this is insane.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (0LHZx)


------------------------------------------


Then you haven't been thinking it through to the end. Because this is where attitudes like pro-choice will always be directed. This CO murder is bad, but the pro-choicers aren't finished yet. There killing road is a long one.

Posted by: Soona at April 17, 2015 02:41 PM (/HX7u)

97 The slippery slope doesn't have an ending point?


Posted by: 1bulwetweft


Gas chambers and ovens, I think.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 17, 2015 02:41 PM (/Ho8c)

98
If they try to use the "passes thru the birth canal" line,

we should start calling fetuses undocumented humans trying to make their way across the border for a better life than they have in the womb

Posted by: kj at April 17, 2015 02:41 PM (lKyWE)

99 When you argue abortion "logic" with Dems and bring up that, using their logic on the unborn's viability, this type of horrific scenario is not only possible but likely and legal (by their logic), they just laugh and dismiss you like you're from the moon.

Yet here we are....

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 17, 2015 02:41 PM (H8u6z)

100 There = The

Posted by: Soona at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM (/HX7u)

101 Yep, the thought of anything that gives a fetus "personhood" freaks them the hell out.

Because once you declare that fetus is a "person" when involuntarily removed it makes it really hard to then insist that when removed voluntarily it is magically transformed into a "non-person."

Posted by: Lizzy at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM (2TN4k)

102 Ah, yes, Alaska, where the odds are good, but the goods are odd.

It IS a beautiful place, but you need to loosen up your sense of what makes a person fine, upstanding and decent. For sure.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM (+YMhA)

103 Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 17, 2015 02:37 PM (FA3Z7)


He threw the abortion question right back at a reporter, asking why Democrats are never asked whether it is ever unacceptable to kill a seven month old baby in the womb. And then someone actually asked DWS and she of course flubbed her answer.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Internecine Squabbles Coming to the Outrage Outlet! at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM (hLRSq)

104 we should start calling fetuses undocumented humans trying to make their
way across the border for a better life than they have in the womb


I like it.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM (ZKzrr)

105 If you believe in abortion on demand, you cannot call killing unborn babies murder no matter how it happens, and be remotely consistent. Either that unborn baby is a human being you can murder or they are not.

If they are a human being you can murder then abortion cannot be legal at any point. If it is not, then what he did was simply mutilate her body more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM (39g3+)

106 This is an issue between the woman and her attacker. Period.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schulz at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM (OD2ni)

107 Anybody who thinks this way about unborn babies -- that they are effectively not human, and less valuable than an animal -- is a FUCKING MONSTER. Seriously. No gray area about it.

Posted by: Stu-22 at April 17, 2015 02:43 PM (vd4oB)

108 Part of the problem with this shit is that everyone focuses on the extreme stories. Some asshole in CO wants to essentially legalize infanticide and the reaction is "SEE, IF YOU SUPPORT ABORTION YOU SUPPORT THIS". No. I support abortion and in no way support this. And if you ask 100 people at random do you support this, I'm guessing 90 will say no and of those 90, 50 will also say they support abortion generally speaking.

And it works the reverse as well. What was the left's reaction with Memories Pizza? Why every single Republican hates gays because this one chick said she wouldn't care a gay wedding. And every Republican thinks the same was as Todd Akin thinks.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:43 PM (0LHZx)

109 14
The underground Iron Dome: Israel unveils 'first of its kind' system that will detect Hamas fighters attempting to tunnel their way across the border

http://goo.gl/sHbVmu
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 17, 2015 02:28 PM (iQIUe)


(**Cue Elmer Bernstein theme music**)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2015 02:43 PM (St6BJ)

110 So, your girlfriend doesn't want an abortion?

A vicious beating should fix that for you, and you'll never see a charge for killing your unwanted child.

Great idea, Lefties.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 17, 2015 02:43 PM (jOumW)

111
It isn't a privacy issue, it is a human rights issue.

The only truly innocent party in the situation is the baby, and the baby is the only one facing certain death.

We fought a civil war over slavery, which was the other issue where some people decided a certain group of people weren't human, but property.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2015 02:43 PM (ZkzmI)

112 If a fetus isn't a person, then what in hell is he or she?

This is a simple debate, one easily determined. Life begins at conception, and a child should be MOST protected within his or her mother's womb. If this is NOT true, then we are well and truly screwed.

Don't want a baby? Quit having sex. We are pretty sure that works 100% of the time, and doesn't involve murder.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 02:44 PM (+YMhA)

113 62 I'm pro-choice. But this is insane.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (0LHZx)


Why?...It's the logical conclusion to your pro choice stance.

Posted by: Tami at April 17, 2015 02:44 PM (v0/PR)

114 106 This is an issue between the woman and her attacker. Period.
Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schulz


Threadwinner.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at April 17, 2015 02:44 PM (oDCMR)

115 Posted by: GMan at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (sxq57)

Kidnapping isn't murder. It is a capital crime. With special circumstances. Murder occurs during kidnappings. But that's different.
That's specified by the law as written. I think it's Federal only but some states may also have kidnapping as a capital crime also.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 02:44 PM (zRby/)

116 No. I support abortion and in no way support this.

Then (and no surprise here) you are logically inconsistent.

Posted by: GMan at April 17, 2015 02:44 PM (sxq57)

117 ...and I'm the crazy absolutist?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 17, 2015 02:44 PM (DT3rQ)

118 Or what newhandle said.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Internecine Squabbles Coming to the Outrage Outlet! at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (hLRSq)

119 Why?...It's the logical conclusion to your pro choice stance.

Shh he's on a roll

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (39g3+)

120 you guys, worry about extremist stuff like this will only drive moderates from the GOP.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (PB1mN)

121
Why?...It's the logical conclusion to your pro choice stance.
Posted by: Tami at April 17, 2015 02:44 PM (v0/PR)

__________

That's if you think a 12 week old fetus and a 9 month old fetus is the same thing. I don't. Therefore it isn't a logical conclusion.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)

122 Kidnapping isn't murder.

I know, but they don't want to charge with murder. Press for kidnapping (same result, there wasn't a child kidnapped, right)? I know they're not the same thing, but the POINT of the charges remains the same.

Posted by: GMan at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (sxq57)

123 America is Crazytown.

Posted by: Gwyneth's steaming hooha at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (FdTDf)

124 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (kff5f)

I agree with you... but arguing that is a losing proposition...

Where as saying... you know? We could agree to first trimester abortions... but NONE after that (because even in cases of Rape or incest, you should damn well know by then)..

And soon, due to medical science, those children WILL be viable..

We could really move the bubble on the debate... because the VAST majority of people would agree... just not the zealots on either extreme...

Which would stop a LOT of abortions, thus saving a LOT of Humans...

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (qh617)

125 By the complete lack of logic and with of his answers I can totally see mr poo poo being Debbie Wasserman Shultz. They share the same single digit IQ.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (rnV3B)

126 But the story changed from Rands position to a debate on abortion in general.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)

ahhh, right.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (FA3Z7)

127 This is the same dilemma that the abortion extremists have with sex-selective abortions.

They have declared that a woman can abort for any reason, so they can't condemn a frivolous reason - that it's a girl, not a boy. As a result you have the head of the UK's equivalent of Planned Parenthood saying it is totes OK that sex-selective abortion is a growing trend because: whatever the mom wants!!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (2TN4k)

128 I think we should consider legalizing murder, too, I mean, let's say your grandmother is loaded and all she does is watch Matlock. Wouldn't it be to everybody's benefit, not to mention the benefit to the economy, if she were to fall out of a window? When you balance the equities, it's just time for some people to go.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (XUKZU)

129 A vicious beating should fix that for you, and you'll never see a charge for killing your unwanted child.


You might in Indiana depending on how long you wait to do it, but we're Unpeople.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (ZKzrr)

130 Then (and no surprise here) you are logically inconsistent.
Posted by: GMan at April 17, 2015 02:44 PM (sxq57)

No, sweetie, he's a complete asshat. The rest goes without saying.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (+YMhA)

131 That's if you think a 12 week old fetus and a 9 month old fetus is the same thing. I don't. Therefore it isn't a logical conclusion.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)


Ok then, tell me when is the 'magic' date marker?

Posted by: Tami at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (v0/PR)

132
106 This is an issue between the woman and her attacker. Period.
Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schulz at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM (OD2ni)


Totally. See more reasonableness. Unlike you psycho tru-cons that believe all women should be raped.

Posted by: Mr. Mu Mu at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (zt+N6)

133 That's if you think a 12 week old fetus and a 9 month old fetus is the same thing. I don't. Therefore it isn't a logical conclusion.
------------------------

A 4 year old child and a 30 year old adult aren't the same thing either.

Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2015 02:47 PM (VndSC)

134 62
I'm pro-choice. But this is insane.



Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (0LHZx)

Wish your mother had been. Hmm, different nic that yesterday

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2015 02:47 PM (0FSuD)

135 When a story like this comes out, TruCons inevitably end up with the same position...all abortion is murder. You'd do a lot more for your cause if you separated this out from other abortions. But when you conflate all abortions, you're hurting your cause.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:47 PM (0LHZx)

136 Dems will make a Socon of ace yet.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2015 02:47 PM (kGsA2)

137 That's if you think a 12 week old fetus and a 9 month old fetus is the same thing. I don't. Therefore it isn't a logical conclusion.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)

Okay, Rhodes Scholar, what, exactly, is the difference?

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 02:47 PM (+YMhA)

138 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)

---

So what point in gestation turns the fetus into a rights-bearing individual (the only entity that can be murdered)? 13 weeks?

Posted by: Jenny Is Genuinely Curious at April 17, 2015 02:47 PM (mB6ez)

139 your grandmother is loaded

Keep her out of the way of the reindeer

Posted by: wrg500 at April 17, 2015 02:47 PM (S+el1)

140 Pray for the people in Colorado and elsewhere who think this way.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2015 02:47 PM (DXzRD)

141 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:43 PM (0LHZx)

*Tweet*

flag on the play.

False equivalency and straw men.

I think there was an appeal to higher powers there also.

Anyway.

15 yard penalty, 4th down.

*Tweet*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 02:48 PM (zRby/)

142 When you balance the equities, it's just time for some people to go.

And afterall, isn't that really the story of ObamaCare?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 17, 2015 02:48 PM (ZKzrr)

143 I agree with you... but arguing that is a losing proposition...

I'm not so sure it is, but *if* it is, then it's a good thing I'm not running for office, because I'm not going to condone- even passively- murder just for some votes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:48 PM (kff5f)

144 13 weeks?

Nah, 12 weeks and 2 minutes.

Posted by: GMan at April 17, 2015 02:48 PM (sxq57)

145 Quit yer bitchen, fetus' taste like chicken.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood Restaurant Association at April 17, 2015 02:48 PM (BLFGI)

146 Here my question for the lawyerly morons--is it illegal in Colorado for a pregnant woman to act with criminal negligence toward an unborn?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (659DL)

147 Now it doesn't matter what the mother wants. Thanks, fymynysts

Actually, it does matter, IF the mother wants an abortion. Then and only then. Which is why "pro-choice" is an inapt term.

This is why many liken the abortion issue to slavery.

Consider the hatred abolitionists received. And how culture in the South radicalized in defense of the "peculiar institution".
How can society reconcile someone being tried for murder, while down the street PP is churning out dozens of cases?

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (Spluw)

148 A 4 year old child and a 30 year old adult aren't the same thing either.
Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2015 02:47 PM (VndSC)

Actually, in regard to this issue, yes, they are the same. Human. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All that jazz.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (+YMhA)

149
Ok then, tell me when is the 'magic' date marker?
Posted by: Tami at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (v0/PR)

________

And there you go...the end game for all TruCons when it comes to abortion....a complete ban because life is life. It's a losing position politically but you people just cannot let go. Some day you'll learn. Maybe.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)

150 We fought a civil war over slavery, which was the
other issue where some people decided a certain group of people weren't
human, but property. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2015 02:43 PM (ZkzmI)


Hard to believe we don't have another Civil War looming. The country is going batshit crazy and the sane insane people are not tolerating each other at all, and THAT is not going to end well. One or the other has to end up in control and the crazies are making more inroads everyday.


Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (h4UbF)

151 Since nobody can say conclusively and scientifically at which point that clump of cells becomes a "human person" then you cannot pick some magical age at which it becomes okay to kill them.

I love to point out that nobody as ever walked up to a pregnant woman and asked when her "biologically unviable clump of parasitic tissue" was due, no matter how much a rabid abortion fan they are. They know its a baby and admit it in every context except when abortion comes up. Then out comes the semantics.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (39g3+)

152 Awwww.... crap...

I kind of agree with Moo moo...

/hangs his head in shame and goes to rethink his position....

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (qh617)

153 This is an issue between the woman and her attacker undocumented obstetrician. Period.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schulz at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM

Posted by: huerfano at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (bynk/)

154 Actually, in regard to this issue, yes, they are the same. Human. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All that jazz.
Posted by: tcn in AK
-----------

Agreed. I was leading the horse to water.

Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (VndSC)

155 Actually, in regard to this issue, yes, they are the same. Human. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All that jazz.
Posted by: tcn in AK
-----------

Agreed. I was leading the horse to water.

Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (VndSC)

156 Saw this coming more than 20 years ago: was a young, newly married, just opened a business in my 'dream town' and was celebrating with family at the town's 4th of July parade. It's a real grass-roots event and anyone can march in it and they do! When the pro-abortionists got louder (huge) applause than our few remaing Tin Can Sailors ( were pretty much met with silence) I knew then that civilization was a goner.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (oQQwD)

157 145
Quit yer bitchen, fetus' taste like chicken.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood Restaurant Association at April 17, 2015 02:48 PM (BLFGI)

White meat or Dark?

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (0FSuD)

158 Ok then, tell me when is the 'magic' date marker?

Exactly. Without an absolute certainty, we must err on the side of caution to protect innocent, helpless babies. Every single moral and legal system ever devised agrees with this principle... until abortion comes up.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (39g3+)

159 Mr poo poo lectures us about hurting our causes, he does not feel the same when his faggot friends are bankrupting old grannies selling flowers.

So why upping the end does wonders for leftists faggots and their poo poo groupies but the same is not for the other causes?

Me, I'd like to go all Alinsky for once.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (rnV3B)

160 That's if you think a 12 week old fetus and a 9 month old fetus is the same thing. I don't. Therefore it isn't a logical conclusion.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)


-----------------------------------------


Don't look now, Mooboy, but you've just skewered your own reasoning.

Posted by: Soona at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (/HX7u)

161 If an abortion decision is to be between a woman and her doctor, if that's the principal, how come in Colorado random assailants get a vote?

Posted by: MTF at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (FCsIb)

162 The entire "life vs conception" argument is a contra-intellectual construct that in essence is designed to relieve the murderers feelings of guilt.

You cannot reason anything less than life begins at conception. That is the existential purpose of that act.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (GGCsk)

163 *starts to read and then reaches for the heavy maul*

SMOD stat!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (ZUz2W)

164 Some day you'll learn. Maybe.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)

Oh, please, enlighten us, Beacon of Sanity that you are.

Still waiting for that answer, asshat.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (+YMhA)

165 "a complete ban because life is life"


Yeah, but is it "life" life?


/

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (LA7Cm)

166
"This is an issue between the woman and her attacker undocumented obstetrician. Period."


Oh that's much better. Thanks.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schulz at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (OD2ni)

167 Mr Moo Moo (Sidney Blumenthal I suspect) is always so willing to offer his helpful oh-so-concerned advice to 'help' conservatives.

Advice which, if followed, would turn them into progressive assholes.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (xQX/f)

168 Ok then, tell me when is the 'magic' date
marker?
Posted by: Tami at April 17, 2015 02:46 PM (v0/
PR)
________
And there you go...the end game for all TruCons
when it comes to abortion....a complete ban
because life is life. It's a losing position
politically but you people just cannot let go.
Some day you'll learn. Maybe.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo



ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (8Fqe6)

169 I wake up to horrors and hideous sounds. I sleep remembering today's atrocities.

There is no sulphur. There are no flames.

Yet.

I know I am not in Hell because I can pray. So, that's what I will do the rest of this day.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (S8V5R)

170 When a story like this comes out, TruCons inevitably end up with the same position...all abortion is murder. You'd do a lot more for your cause if you separated this out from other abortions. But when you conflate all abortions, you're hurting your cause.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Typical mini-moo bullshit.

This woman regarded her baby to be just that. Abortion advocates are denying her her choice.

TruBlue whoooooptidocons didn't do this. And yet you hide behind themyou lying cowardly sack of shit.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (Spluw)

171 But when you conflate all abortions, you're hurting your cause.

Would that be similar to deciding to treat homicides by gun, strangulation, and poison differently?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 17, 2015 02:52 PM (DT3rQ)

172 >>Part of the problem with this shit is that everyone focuses on the extreme stories.

Self awareness much, Mr. "I only want to talk about abortion for rape victims"?

This is not extreme, it actually gets to root of the issue: is the fetus, at any point, considered a valued life (i.e. when does it have personhood)? If so, at what point?

Non-extreme abortion supporters seem OK w/1st trimester abortion, but when it gets closer to the due date it's an ickier proposition - is it not infanticide if the fetus/baby is developed enough to survive outside of the womb?

The extremists have figured that they cannot give the fetus/baby any value, any personhood, prior to birth - even when involuntarily removed, because that would then give personhood to the fetus/babies destroyed in a late-term abortion.



Posted by: Lizzy at April 17, 2015 02:52 PM (2TN4k)

173 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)


Posted by: fromabroad at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (rnV3B)


If we combine these two they should self annihilate based on my understanding of physics.

And then we can all be happy.

Posted by: buzzion at April 17, 2015 02:52 PM (zt+N6)

174 And there you go...the end game for all TruCons when it comes to abortion....a complete ban because life is life. It's a losing position politically but you people just cannot let go. Some day you'll learn. Maybe.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)

*******

Damn, shitbag, you are chronically incapable of giving a simple answer to a simple question, aren't you?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at April 17, 2015 02:52 PM (cIoI4)

175 She was charged with some serious crimes and will almost certainly be going to prison for a long, long time. Speaking of Colorado nutjobs, by the way, they're finally getting around to trying the Aurora theater Joker killer. He should be nothing but a memory by now.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (XUKZU)


I've seen no list of these charges of serious crimes. Only a description of what she will not be charged with.

For all I know, she's off scot free and awaiting her medal of courage from NARAL.

Like Gosnell, methinks the press will be conspicuously absent from further happenings in this matter.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 17, 2015 02:52 PM (/X7ln)

176
Since the law don't seem to care,
Don't you think it's only fair?
Call for street justice.

Posted by: Twisted Sister at April 17, 2015 02:53 PM (XMDuf)

177 Don't want a baby? Quit having sex. We are pretty sure that works 100% of the time, and doesn't involve murder.

Umm... yeah... about that.

Posted by: "Mary" from Isreal on line two at April 17, 2015 02:53 PM (4WhSY)

178 Every poll for the past 20 years has shown a large majority - in the 60-70% range doesn't want a total ban on abortion.

Polls also show the same large majority, maybe even higher, is fine with a ban on partial birth abortion.

But instead of focusing on the latter, you do your damnest to concentrate on the former, since, well a 3 hour old fetus and a 9 month fetus is indistinguishable since life is life.

Step back a second and ask yourself what will advance your cause better? Fight like hell to ban the partial birth, or convince people who agree with you on banning partial birth that they are still monsters for not being in favor of a full ban?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:53 PM (0LHZx)

179 Some day you'll stop being uppity and learn your place. Maybe.Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 17, 2015 02:53 PM (Spluw)

180 Damn, shitbag, you are chronically incapable of giving a simple answer to a simple question, aren't you?



Proof positive. No answer = troll.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2015 02:53 PM (8Fqe6)

181 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)

You do realize you reveal yourself with every comment.

"You people"?

You're separating yourself from the rest of us here.

You believe you're better than us that you have the true facts on every situation that you are the ultimate judge and jury on the viability of our opinions.

Why do you continue to visit? You don't like us, you don't agree with us. Is it that you just like to argue?

There's a name for people like that and I think it fits you to a tee.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 02:53 PM (zRby/)

182 Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (qh617)

Logically (scientifically, too, but we'll just stick to logic for now) you must either be against abortion entirely (1 exception I'll get to), or you must believe that until it is born (have fun defining *that*) the child is not a human life. If it is not a human life, then nothing is out-of-bounds.

The single exception is when the life of the mother is in danger. And by "life of the mother is in danger" I mean: there is no third option- pick one, your child dies or you(or your wife) dies.

And then, because *someone* is going to die anyway, then the (still) evil choice must be made- because fallen world. But however evil they may be, truly necessary evils are necessary.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (kff5f)

183 160 That's if you think a 12 week old fetus and a 9 month old fetus is the same thing. I don't. Therefore it isn't a logical conclusion.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)


-----------------------------------------


Also: let's say we agree that a 12 week fetus is not the same as a 40-week fetus. If I am happily 11 weeks pregnant when someone cuts the baby out of my uterus against my wishes, is that murder? How about 14 weeks, the child's sex is known and a a name chosen? Explain.

Posted by: Jenny Is Genuinely Curious at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (mB6ez)

184 I guess since it is legal to kill infants/ because they are not whole beings according to the left.

can they get the poor murderous non 'baby' thief for practicing medicine without a license?

Posted by: comrade willow at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (nqBYe)

185 I'm withholding my opinion until Dr. Gosnell and Moo Moo explain things for me.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (/Um0F)

186 Gee, Mr. Moomoo, when is dead not dead?

Posted by: huerfano at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (bynk/)

187 Damn, shitbag, you are chronically incapable of giving a simple answer to a simple question, aren't you?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at April 17, 2015 02:52 PM (cIoI4)


I'll answer... as I have above...

End of first trimester...

Why??? not because I really believe it... but its something that we could WIN.... something we could potentially get into law...

and it would save a HELL of a lot of children...

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (qh617)

188 Hi! I'm mini-moo. Women are being denied their choice, so I'm lying and hiding behind total bans and prattling on about partial birth abortions.

I'm mini-moo.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (Spluw)

189 Sven, tcn, et al re: the non-sacred bovine

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Urban-Dictionary-new-words-11.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (ZUz2W)

190 After the Manson family killing of the pregnant Sharon Tate, it was revealed that one of the killers stuck a fork in her body and left it there.

Bernadine Dohrn thought this was so wonderful she came up with the fork salute for the Weather Underground. This was how those disgusting "people" greeted each other, with a gesture meant to resemble a fork.

These are Obama's ideological friends. He worked with Ayers to flush $100M down the toilet on the Annenberg project.

There is a disgusting sickness on the left, and they're considered the compassionate ones by a vast plurality.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (jhqr1)

191 Life begins at conception, it can begin at no other time.

Now the value of that human life begins at the intersection of conscience and morality.

Some people are immoral monsters and would be perfectly willing to kill that baby up to and including post birth.

Sick world we live in.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (D9OaR)

192
Without an absolute certainty, we must err on the side of caution to protect innocent, helpless babies. Every single moral and legal system ever devised agrees with this principle... until abortion comes up.

--

Agreed. The force of the state must alway err on the side of caution, which is why we provide for the defense of accused criminals, and if they receive the death penalty, they are automatically given an appeal.

Yet, when a demonstrably innocent child's life is at stake, we are supposed to allow it to be killed because it is convenient to do so?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (ZkzmI)

193 144 13 weeks?

Nah, 12 weeks and 2 minutes.
Posted by: GMan at April 17, 2015 02:48 PM (sxq57)


Greenwich Mean Time or Eastern Standard Time?

We have to develop timers for spermatozoa. Call Apple.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (St6BJ)

194
After reading the proposed bill, ace, the hold up seems to be the language of "unborn child" vs fetus. Calif has had this type of law on the books for almost 40 years with the language "a human being, or a fetus." If republicans want to pass this law and punish this type of crime, they wd change the language. But they wont...

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (iQIUe)

195 Abortion advocates are denying her her choice.


Yeah, this.

Posted by: The Dumpster Outside Gosnell's Abbatoir at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (ZKzrr)

196 "Posted by: buzzion at April 17, 2015 02:52 PM (zt+N6) "

please fuck off with poo poo, he is best suited with lowlives like you. Me? I have better company.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (rnV3B)

197 Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (qh617)

The snake in the Garden of Eden was pretty convincing too.

Just ask Eve.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (zRby/)

198 "You'd do a lot more for your cause if you separated this out from other abortions. But when you conflate all abortions, you're hurting your cause."

Why do you, Moo, care about our evil "socon" cause?

Posted by: Feh at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (KZ7dE)

199
You can try and spin this any old way you wish.

But it cannot be denied.


LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (jeCnD)

200 Sefton, do you really want iSperm????

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (ZUz2W)

201 I long for a world where people don't think you define right and wrong by majority rule. All the greatest horrors of our time have been caused by that system.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (39g3+)

202 And there you go...the end game for all TruCons when it comes to abortion....a complete ban because life is life. It's a losing position politically but you people just cannot let go. Some day you'll learn. Maybe.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)


Way to not answer my question.

Can't say I'm surprised thought.

Posted by: Tami at April 17, 2015 02:56 PM (v0/PR)

203 190
Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (jhqr1)

I'd like to perform a retroactive abortion on a couple of people.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2015 02:56 PM (St6BJ)

204 And then, because *someone* is going to die anyway, then the (still) evil choice must be made- because fallen world. But however evil they may be, truly necessary evils are necessary.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (kff5f)

This is an issue of natural law. It is an unmitigated good thing to cure the mother, and if this results in the death of the infant, that was NOT the intention. Yes, fallen world. In a perfect world, we would not even have labor pains. But... Eve and her apple, and all that.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 02:56 PM (+YMhA)

205 Meanwhile, what's going on in Canada re. failed late-term abortions linked in my sock. I suggest scrolling down to the middle and later comments for "Kathy" commenting.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2015 02:56 PM (kivUY)

206

Now to go back and read the comments.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 17, 2015 02:57 PM (jeCnD)

207 200 200 Sefton, do you really want iSperm????
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 02:55 PM (ZUz2W)

It could be HUGE!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2015 02:57 PM (St6BJ)

208 >>> If you believe in abortion on demand, you cannot call killing unborn babies murder no matter how it happens, and be remotely consistent.

Not so. You can positively say that abortion is murder in all its particulars and that abortionists as well as anyone connected to it have blood on their hands, yet maintain that it is their choice to do so, despite it. Because of its legality. And one could say that recognition is the only way one could possibly achieve the goal of "safe legal and RARE"

Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at April 17, 2015 02:57 PM (3ZtZW)

209 Only socons could be batshit crazy enough to humanize unborn babies, declare marriage to be between a man and a woman and claim that there are only two sexes.
They should probably be put away for their own good.

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at April 17, 2015 02:57 PM (i7JE3)

210 Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2015 02:51 PM (8Fqe6)

He did answer. He admitted that it's life with the line "life is life."

He's just another worshiper of Moloch.

Abortion isn't "a horrible choice," for him and his ilk, it's a sacrament.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:57 PM (kff5f)

211 a 'fetus' can suck its thumb and respond to sound at at 20 weeks.

thumb sucking parasite.

Posted by: comrade willow at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (nqBYe)

212 Some days, like today, I wish Marvin the Martian would blow up Earth so he could observe Venus.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (ZUz2W)

213 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (kff5f)

But this is neither a logical, nor perfect world.

We make deals every day...

Hell... income tax makes you a F'n Peasant, and we pay MORE than a peasant had to pay their lord... (add in the draft, ie forced military service, we are not much better...)

Holding out for a ban on all abortions is like a total rollback to the Constitution all at one time...

It just aint going to happen....

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (qh617)

214 You know what?

Viewing every damn thing through a purely political lens as opposed to a moral when appropriate leads to a very, very dark place.

Turn a light on, moo.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (659DL)

215 "Step back a second and ask yourself what will advance your cause better?"

throwing people like mr poo poo where they belong? into a septic tank

Posted by: fromabroad at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (rnV3B)

216 " Only socons could be batshit crazy enough to humanize unborn babies, declare marriage to be between a man and a woman and claim that there are only two sexes. "


Backwards stuff, I know. Norms, morals, etc.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (LA7Cm)

217 Why??? not because I really believe it... but its something that we could WIN.... something we could potentially get into law...

and it would save a HELL of a lot of children...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:54 PM (qh617)

*****

While I Don't necessarily agree, I think this step would be better than the non definition we have today.

Also, I just kinda wanted to call Moo a shitbag.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (XrHO0)

218 >But instead of focusing on the latter, you do your damnest to
concentrate on the former, since, well a 3 hour old fetus and a 9 month
fetus is indistinguishable since life is life.



Ace's post addresses the exact opposite: Abortion extremists refuse to distinguish between to two examples you mention since a fetus is a fetus.

How about you address that instead of yet again waging war on pro-life socons?

Or do you agree every fetus is a fetus, period?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 17, 2015 02:59 PM (2TN4k)

219 >>>> A vicious beating should fix that for you, and you'll never see a charge for killing your unwanted child.

Pace Swift, it worked for the Irish.

Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at April 17, 2015 02:59 PM (3ZtZW)

220 They could have charged the guy with practicing midwifery without a license.

Posted by: toby928(C) is in a foul mood, again at April 17, 2015 02:59 PM (evdj2)

221 Chris Taylor
Majority rule? Many of the worst evils have been done under the rule of credentialed "experts".
Sort if like the doctors who are now saying that children up to two years of age should be disposable should their parents find them inconvenient.

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at April 17, 2015 02:59 PM (i7JE3)

222
Life does begin at conception, by definition. The question is when is it a human being? And what defines that?

Whatever the answers are, the one point that I demand every liberal I debate is "you first have to admit that you are committing murder, or if you want to parse words, you are intentionally ending a life. We can debate the why's and wherefore's all we want, but you must concede my point."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2015 03:00 PM (St6BJ)

223 Wife just got a donation request Rubio. It came to my email address?



What's up with that?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2015 03:00 PM (0FSuD)

224 212
Some days, like today, I wish Marvin the Martian would blow up Earth so he could observe Venus. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (ZUz2W)


All he needs is his Uranium P238 Modulator. Last he knew some dumbfvcking rabbit made off with it.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 17, 2015 03:00 PM (H8u6z)

225 Ever read "The Pre-Persons" by Philip K. Dick. Lefty as he could be, he had a unique mind. Basically, it was a future where you weren't considered a person until you knew algebra. Abortion Trucks would cruise the neighborhood for kids whose parents had called on them. A "certain type" of women wanted to have an abortion just for the social thrill of it. It was a scary read, and until now, unreal.

Posted by: calbadger at April 17, 2015 03:00 PM (rKRC9)

226 something we could potentially get into law.

Nuh uh. I won't let THAT happen

Posted by: Lying Shitweasel Renee Ellmers at April 17, 2015 03:00 PM (sxq57)

227 If republicans want to pass this law and punish this type of crime, they wd change the language.

Yes, clearly its the Republicans' fault this is being held up. No blame or responsibility can be laid at the feet of Democrats whatsoever.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:00 PM (39g3+)

228 Sefton, yeah it could he huge or a big weiner flop...

Or does this better summarize the non-sacred bovine lowing in the dell on the rancid cud?

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Urban-Dictionary-new-words-14.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 03:00 PM (ZUz2W)

229 'Pro-choice' is not position. It's a cop out.

You either support abortion or you don't.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 17, 2015 03:01 PM (UhRGU)

230 Go go with a quasi Mexico compromise:
Before 12 weeks abortion legal and often subsidized.
After 12 weeks illegal without exception.

Sure it's arbitrary and philosophically inconsistent with the definition of life, but it is the only practical compromise. Plus, it gives you plenty of time to avoid the rape/incest conundrum.

(My preference is to completely defer to states, but SCOTUS trashed that option long ago)

Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2015 03:01 PM (Zq1Rk)

231 I always ask pro-choice people to give me the timeline , working backwards , on when a baby can be considered a human life, starting with a day old baby. When you try and make them pin down the exact time when a baby turns from a non human fetus to a human baby they can't do it.

Also they can't allow themselves to give a time since premature born babies is a fact they can't reconcile.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 17, 2015 03:01 PM (P7ulB)

232 I wish someone would ask Wasserman, why not use the NBA's 24 second clock at the moment of birth to give mom a little more time to decide?

Posted by: USA at April 17, 2015 03:01 PM (tfM+W)

233
I've seen no list of these charges of serious crimes. Only a description of what she will not be charged with.

For all I know, she's off scot free and awaiting her medal of courage from NARAL.

Like Gosnell, methinks the press will be conspicuously absent from further happenings in this matter.


-
http://tinyurl.com/lxodgkg

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 17, 2015 03:02 PM (XUKZU)

234 A "certain type" of women wanted to have an abortion just for the social thrill of it.

Now they do it as an "art" project.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 17, 2015 03:03 PM (ZKzrr)

235 All he needs is his Uranium P238 Modulator. Last he knew some dumbfvcking rabbit made off with it.


Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 17, 2015 03:00 PM (H8u6z)


Yeah Doc, and it now resides in a secret Iranian cave I ran into.... damn left turn at Albequerque!

Posted by: Bug Bunny, thruogh his Iranian Lawyer at April 17, 2015 03:03 PM (qh617)

236 Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2015 03:01 PM (Zq1Rk)

Hate to be that 11 week and 6 days baby.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 17, 2015 03:03 PM (P7ulB)

237 The baby was born, the same as any other Cesarean Section baby is "born". I would think this is an easy case. The baby was alive outside of the mothers body, and then died, due to the actions of the woman that cut the baby out. Therefore the woman killed the baby.

Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2015 03:03 PM (MP9kA)

238
@181
So, Moo has become the parody of the religious Right that he sooften rails about. Interesting.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 17, 2015 03:03 PM (k8xvx)

239 Go go with a quasi Mexico compromise:
Before 12 weeks abortion legal and often subsidized.
After 12 weeks illegal without exception.


In the evil world we live in, that's probably the best we can realistically hope for.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:03 PM (39g3+)

240 Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (qh617)

I don't actually agree with that. I think that, properly argued, you could get a complete ban of abortion in the United States- because people know that's a human baby, not "a clump of cells."

However, even if you're right- there is a difference between the position of the Moloch lover and your own- the worshipers of Moloch view abortion as "not being punished with a baby." You acknowledge that even a 1st trimester abortion is evil, and are only open to it because of political exigencies.

Which, BTW, I don't agree with. Morals and Principles are non-negotiable.

Which is why I'll never run for President.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 03:03 PM (kff5f)

241 I'm pro-choice. But this is insane.




Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:35 PM (0LHZx)
============
You're also a pro-pedophile--you made a post calling other posters out for not being tolerant of people who like little boys.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 17, 2015 03:04 PM (ZvKdv)

242 What's up with that?
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2015 03:00 PM (0FSuD)

******

NPR sent me a begging letter addressed to the Satan's Spawn I divorced 5 years ago just last week.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at April 17, 2015 03:04 PM (cIoI4)

243 The debate about when a fetus becomes a human being is moot. At what point does the DNA change? Could it become a monkey, a dog, a whale? No. So why is it not human from the get-go?

Silly.

Dead is dead. If you kill them when they are small, it is no different from when they are big.

Someone who disagrees--can you give a cogent argument? I've never yet heard one.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 03:04 PM (+YMhA)

244 *runs for the porcelain goddess*

Apple will sell iSperm from their CEO so everyone can have gay kids.

The ones who grow up cis-normative, well that is where Philip K. Dick's abortion trucks come in...

Should I even write some kind of story about this? *retch*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 03:04 PM (ZUz2W)

245 (My preference is to completely defer to states, but SCOTUS trashed that option long ago)

---

See, I don't think that's a good idea, either. States should be able to determine a lot more than they currently do, but not whether a human being is in fact a human being.

Posted by: Jenny Is Genuinely Curious at April 17, 2015 03:04 PM (mB6ez)

246 So, Moo has become the parody of the religious Right that he sooften rails about. Interesting.

No, he's just a religious person with a different religion. There's no parody, just competition.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:04 PM (39g3+)

247 "It's a losing position politically"

Actually, no. The tide has turned, Moo.

I think your concern for us might be concern for yourself. Deep down, you yourself think there is a line ("insane") across which we cannot cross, but you can't bring yourself to follow your objection through to its logical conclusion. If you were intellectually honest, you'd see that the only possible case that permits a doctor to save mother or child, but not both, is one in which the baby's being carried to term, or born, will cause the mother's death.

But here's the kicker. I'm not an attorney, and I'd welcome correction on this, but I've heard that many (or all) laws concerning infanticide were written to permit just this exception. Roe's language about "the life of the mother" was the loophole through which Margaret $anger & Co. drove their bloody truck.

Posted by: Feh at April 17, 2015 03:05 PM (KZ7dE)

248 >>Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:53 PM (0LHZx)
<<

All you offer is bromides, pathos arguments, supposition and vituperation couched in a bunch of petty invectives.

So your argument is basically abandon the logic and intellect because people don't want it- that people will respect you more? That's it? That's what this is about?

What kind of stupidity is that? Oh yea, only rubes, those backwards Christians who just can't seem to live in the 21st century and hillbillies believe those intellectual inclusions which pass every logical, intellectual and argumentative hurdle

The story is a woman is assaulted and has her live baby carved out. The best you can offer is some distraction about when does life begin, you know, because the real extremists arguing this can't be murder because it's one of those non-person fetuses, who (sorry,"it") happens to be a necessary part of becoming a real person- might be right.

Here's an idea. You go with that. In the meantime I'll use this as justification for legal murder of the person who committed this heinous act. In fact, I'll declare him a non person also and carve the flesh from his body.

Because he's really not a person to commit such an act is he?

Oh wait, that's different. His mother didn't hug him enough as a child. So we shouldn't put him in jail. We should pay his mortgage and medical care for life because he was deprived or some shit.

Fuck your sophism douchebag.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 17, 2015 03:06 PM (GGCsk)

249
@246

Fair enough, Fair enough. That is a much better way to put it.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 17, 2015 03:07 PM (k8xvx)

250 >>The baby was born, the same as any other Cesarean Section baby is
"born". I would think this is an easy case. The baby was alive outside
of the mothers body, and then died, due to the actions of the woman
that cut the baby out. Therefore the woman killed the baby

Thought I read that the coroner checked to see if the baby had ever breathed and she had not, so that's why they weren't charging with murder.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 17, 2015 03:07 PM (2TN4k)

251 See, I don't think that's a good idea, either. States should be able to determine a lot more than they currently do, but not whether a human being is in fact a human being.

Nor should the Federal Government. But in our system its the legal and proper way to approach the issue.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:07 PM (39g3+)

252 Yeah Doc, and it now resides in a secret Iranian cave I ran into.... damn left turn at Albequerque!


Posted by: Bug Bunny, thruogh his Iranian Lawyer at April 17, 2015 03:03 PM (qh617)



http://tinyurl.com/mkzbw7w


Hassan CHOP!!!!!

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 17, 2015 03:07 PM (H8u6z)

253 But the mother has declined to comment on the proposed fetal homicide bill. I wonder if she'd want to charge the assailant with murder, or if she's a feminist nutter who agrees she shouldn't be charged.

Posted by: Moloch Hussein Obama at April 17, 2015 03:07 PM (xkSSa)

254
EVERYONE, and I mean everyone, knows that abortion is the killing of a human being, but those on the abortion side just refuse to think about it.
----
Ever wonder why no one ever produces a documentary on abortion procedures? When do we see that on PBS?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 17, 2015 03:08 PM (/eTPT)

255 Hate to be that 11 week and 6 days baby.

Yes, it is an arbitrary line. So are most laws. But that hard line is he only way to protect the life of the 12 week and one day baby. And as technology improves, the deadline (pun intended) will only move earlier and earlier. This is why The pro-abortion side has long since abandoned the Roe v Wade "pre-viability" threshold - since they knew that would eventually lead to a ban on abortion at one minute post-conception.

Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (Zq1Rk)

256 Go go with a quasi Mexico compromise:
Before 12 weeks abortion legal and often subsidized.
After 12 weeks illegal without exception.
In the evil world we live in, that's probably the best we can realistically hope for.
20 weeks in Canada and that wasn't enough of a compromise for the Left. Our Supreme Court struck down the law using a penumbra in our recently-manufactured (circa 1980) constitution.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (kivUY)

257 251 See, I don't think that's a good idea, either. States should be able to determine a lot more than they currently do, but not whether a human being is in fact a human being.

Nor should the Federal Government. But in our system its the legal and proper way to approach the issue.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:07 PM (39g3+)

That decision was reserved to a higher power.

The fact that we debate it just shows how far we have traveled from common sense.

Every child born since Roe V. Wade is a survivor. Sick, sick sick.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (+YMhA)

258 You know what was a political loser for a longggg time?Opposition to slavery.
You know what was such a political loser that it could be dangerous to espouse?
Opposition to the holocaust.
What if one was against inferring Japanese Americans during WWII? Be silent because it's a political loser?

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (i7JE3)

259 251 See, I don't think that's a good idea, either. States should be able to determine a lot more than they currently do, but not whether a human being is in fact a human being.

Nor should the Federal Government. But in our system its the legal and proper way to approach the issue.

---

Except the federal government did just that by declaring that black people could not be humans in one state while being chattel in the next state over

Posted by: Jenny Is Genuinely Curious at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (mB6ez)

260
@254 That Gosnell movie should get sold-out theaters. It won't, ever, because it's a real "Inconvenient Truth".

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (k8xvx)

261 So the women who get involuntarily de-fetused can't CHOOSE to consider their child to be as a person?

Posted by: Chad from ROFLorida at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (XpaDo)

262 Someone who disagrees--can you give a cogent argument? I've never yet heard one.

The usual argument goes like this:
Yes, unborn babies are human. So is your hand, and so is your hair. Simply being human cells and tissue doesn't make you a distinct person deserving of protections of law and having a distinct life.

Killing an unborn baby, the abortionist argues, is like cutting out a tumor or an appendix. It is a human tissue, surely, but not a person.

That's what they argue.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (39g3+)

263 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 03:03 PM (kff5f)

One of the reasons the Progressives win... and they ARE winning...

Is they understand the idea that you move the goalposts slowly.

You don't ask for your entire goal at the outset... you start with something smaller... then bigger... then bigger...

We need to turn that ship.... and its going to take doing it in smaller increments until we CAN turn this ship...

Note, the mainstream progressives argue one small change at a time... look at the evolution of Gay marriage...

But if everyone constantly says THIS or you are EVIL!!!!!!!!! and all of IT!!! and Right now!! or you are a MURDERER!!!!!!

We ain't ever going to get anywhere...

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 03:10 PM (qh617)

264 Was the perpetrator Debbie Whatssername Schultz? She's cool with killing seven pound babies, don'tcha know.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2015 03:10 PM (2Ojst)

265 Ever wonder why no one ever produces a documentary on abortion procedures?

There's a couple out there, independently made of course. You will never see them on PBS, and you will never see them shown in a Sex Ed class (takes too much time away from the fisting or something).

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 17, 2015 03:10 PM (ZKzrr)

266
This is horrible.

I can't comment.

Posted by: eleven at April 17, 2015 03:10 PM (MDgS8)

267
Here's one for any attorneys among the horde:

Is there a precedent involving the theft/murder of an animal in such a manner? There has to be a dog or horse or something people value.

Posted by: Justamom at April 17, 2015 03:11 PM (sVnbw)

268 This is the hypocrisy of the law - a fetus is a child when someone "on the street" kills the kid without Mom's consent. But if Mom gives consent, and the murderer is a doctor, its a collection of cells and God Bless America. It's doublethink, cognitive dissonance.

Sorry, that is the definition of an UNEQUAL protection of laws a doctor is applauded and paid for doing what a bum on the street is imprisoned for. Equal protection ain't just for gays, ya know.

Either its a life, or it ain't. And you embrace all the consequences that each choice brings.

This is all because, under the law, the child is technically "nothing" - not property, not a person, not a developing life, etc. It's nothing, a non-entity. If it's "property" that brings up too many allusions to slavery, and we can't have that can we (and it would also support a father's property interest in the kid, thus giving him a veto power, and here come the feminists flailing arms).

And it's not a life under law because abortion is not considered a "lesser of two evils" where one life is regretfully lost to benefit another and thus may be best left to the mother/doctor (which is what most mistake it as) - it's actually considered akin to "contraception", as if it was "preventing a life" from existing like a condom. It's not - it's terminating a life that's already begun.

And it has nothing to do with "the Mom considers it a child" - the law is a "right to an abortion". period, and that means a right to a procedure which results in eliminating a "thing" inside you. Mom's opinion that it's really a kid is IRRELEVANT. The rights of the father are MEANINGLESS. The rights of the developing life are MEANINGLESS.

Still support it?


Posted by: Saltyron at April 17, 2015 03:11 PM (i6shs)

269 But the mother has declined to comment on the proposed fetal homicide
bill. I wonder if she'd want to charge the assailant with murder, or if
she's a feminist nutter who agrees she shouldn't be charged.
Moloch Hussein Obama
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Third alternative, she was nearly killed, her daughter ripped from her body and is not ready to be the public voice/face for this law which will draw threats from pro-choice people.

Posted by: Penfold at April 17, 2015 03:12 PM (Fbt5B)

270 BTW, Pro-choicers obviously aren't. They showed that when they protested license plates with the "Choose Life" message on them. Choosing not to have an abortion is the 'wrong' choice so they are completely opposed to it, which means they're not in favour of "choice" at all.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2015 03:12 PM (kivUY)

271 Ever wonder why no one ever produces a documentary on abortion procedures? When do we see that on PBS?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 17, 2015 03:08 PM (/eTPT)


The Silent Scream. An Ultrasound of an abortion taking place. Absolutely disgusting and disturbing.

Moo Moo probably uses it for porn.

Posted by: buzzion at April 17, 2015 03:12 PM (zt+N6)

272 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (39g3+)

Which fails so many tests its ridiculous.

A tumor is a definable mutation of your own cells.
Your hand, hair, or appendix *are* your own cells.

A baby has his or her own DNA, an admixture of his or her parents'. Not a mutation of mom's. Not identical to mom's. Completely unique and separate.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 03:12 PM (kff5f)

273 "pro-choice"?

Do you really have a choice when someone hacks open your uterus against your wishes?

Posted by: some guy at April 17, 2015 03:12 PM (q177U)

274 Even California allows for this to be considered murder. Isn't that right Scott Peterson?

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 17, 2015 03:13 PM (P7ulB)

275 >>Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:09 PM (39g3+)
<<

To which I respond- can hair or a tumor become a human being as part of the natural procreative process?

The evolution of a fetus and the product of conception is a human life. There is no other natural process or progression.

"Terminating" a fetus is deliberately terminating and extinguishing a human life.

Of course not.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 17, 2015 03:13 PM (GGCsk)

276 >>EVERYONE, and I mean everyone, knows that abortion is the killing of a
human being, but those on the abortion side just refuse to think about
it.

Yep, by design. That's why they've chosen very specific language - "choice, " "fetus" etc. and pretend the fetus is magically transformed into a person upon delivery.

Camille Paglia admitted it was murder back in 2008, but she's the exception.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 17, 2015 03:13 PM (2TN4k)

277 Be silent because it's a political loser?

This argument has always annoyed me. The left has taken position after position that is a 100% political loser and just kept pushing until it stopped being a loser. Over and over they have succeeded in turning things that were absurd and offensive into "totally cool and if you disagree, you're a monster."

But the right gives ground every day because that's a loser and we should stop trying?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:14 PM (39g3+)

278 That Gosnell movie should get sold-out theaters. It won't, ever, because it's a real "Inconvenient Truth".

You know, I've already scored a DVD copy with their crowd-sourcing, and I'll be happy to buy a ticket, but I really don't want to watch it. Reading about it was depressing enough.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 17, 2015 03:14 PM (ZKzrr)

279 I think the REAL question here is: Why are religious zealots in Colorado Springs trying to force their religion down the throats of men who stab pregnant women and cut their babies out of their bellies?

/sarc

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at April 17, 2015 03:14 PM (YYJjz)

280 Life begins when the mass of cells starts voting Democrat. Until then, it is unviable and the decision to get rid of it is between the mother, the doctor, and random crazy people with butcher knives lurking in the dark.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at April 17, 2015 03:14 PM (0Y1hO)

281 See, I don't think that's a good idea, either. States should be able to determine a lot more than they currently do, but not whether a human being is in fact a human being.

You give that power to the Feds, and they can go the opposite way you want. Imagine SCOTUS packed with seven Hillary clones. You want them determining when conception begins? Kermit Gosnell will open a thousand franchises. At least horrible state decisions can be reversed by their voters.

Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2015 03:15 PM (Zq1Rk)

282 Is there a point to Mr. Moo coming here?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 17, 2015 03:15 PM (7ObY1)

283 Well, I sure wouldn't want to "burden" my girls with a pregnancy.

Posted by: The Magical Negro at April 17, 2015 03:15 PM (0FSuD)

284 Posted by: Justamom at April 17, 2015 03:11 PM (sVnbw

Well you used to be able to hang horse thieves and rustlers.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (P7ulB)

285 >>Third alternative, she was nearly killed, her daughter ripped from her
body and is not ready to be the public voice/face for this law which
will draw threats from pro-choice people.


Nowadays it's so rare that a victim doesn't immediately become an activist. It's refreshing, actually. Glad she's focusing on getting better.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (2TN4k)

286 "What kind of stupidity is that? Oh yea, only rubes, those backwards Christians who just can't seem to live in the 21st century "

exactly like fag marriage, the life of the innocent is NOT a religious issue alone.

Plenty of humanist (non religious) essays on life beginning at conception.

I would not square this as a religious issue at all, it is an easy cop out for the idiots 'not believing the fairy god in the sky'

Posted by: fromabroad at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (rnV3B)

287 Posted by: Citizen X at April 17, 2015 03:15 PM (7ObY1)

Like any troll: negative attention is better than no attention.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (kff5f)

288 The closing passage of the column should leave any human being with a heart in tears:


"In Colorado, there are appropriately severe penalties for abusing animals, but Senate Democrats can't acknowledge that a viable seven-month-old fetus with functioning organs and the ability to feel pain can be murdered. They keep pointing out that the bill is superfluous because the attacker now faces more than 100 years in prison if she is convicted. Punishing the perpetrator for any crimes is not the same as finding justice for all the victims. Who the victims are is what is in dispute. And Democrats believe there was only one. Aurora never existed."


May every last one of them burn in Hell for this.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (4df7R)

289 282
Is there a point to Mr. Moo coming here?





Posted by: Citizen X at April 17, 2015 03:15 PM (7ObY1)

He changed his nic today. Obviously his old one was banned

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (0FSuD)

290 They're fcuking ghouls. Who could believe such a thing? Where's the line?

Posted by: Hadoop at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (tKWZ6)

291 233
I've seen no list of these charges of serious crimes. Only a description of what she will not be charged with.

For all I know, she's off scot free and awaiting her medal of courage from NARAL.

Like Gosnell, methinks the press will be conspicuously absent from further happenings in this matter.


-
http://tinyurl.com/lxodgkg
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 17, 2015 03:02 PM (XUKZU)

Thank you, appreciated.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (/X7ln)

292 Well, at least they admitted the perp was a female. That's fine progress. I'm wondering that when this story was first "reported" it was alluded (clumsily) that the attacker was a bearded white male, age 40, with "I LOVE JESUS" and American bald eagle tattoos on his forearms.
You know, same type of guy that does all those car jackings and is involved in police shootings and such.

Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at April 17, 2015 03:17 PM (JOFI1)

293 Should I even write some kind of story about this? *retch*
Posted by: Anna Puma



Only if you put in a chapter about where I start ending a bunch of adults.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2015 03:17 PM (8Fqe6)

294
Is there a point to Mr. Moo coming here?


Sadly, its all he has. Think of it as charity. Take a write-off.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 17, 2015 03:17 PM (ODxAs)

295 May every last one of them burn in Hell for this.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (4df7R)


God help me, but I agree.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 03:17 PM (kff5f)

296 >>>> EVERYONE, and I mean everyone, knows that abortion is the killing of a human being, but those on the abortion side just refuse to think about it.

There's plenty of shit people don't like to look at, think about, or admit to themselves. So?

Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at April 17, 2015 03:18 PM (3ZtZW)

297 Think of it as charity. Take a write-off.

He writes off more than you make in a century!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 17, 2015 03:18 PM (W5DcG)

298 My turn to be a ray of sunshine:

Didn't the cow start showing up about the time EoJ left?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 03:18 PM (kff5f)

299
Moo -- the peeps here hate you.

Go away.

Posted by: eleven at April 17, 2015 03:18 PM (MDgS8)

300 He changed his nic today. Obviously his old one was banned
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2015 03:16 PM (0FSuD)


That's his normal hash. You should stick to thing you know about. Like low level racism and bigotry.

Posted by: buzzion at April 17, 2015 03:18 PM (zt+N6)

301 From that link:The DA noted that he met several times with the Wilkins family in the run-up to charges being filed, including this morning, when he explained his planned actions in advance.

He also emphasized that Lane is innocent until proven guilty and revealed that "we do not know the exact cause" of Aurora's death, "as there were no injuries...to explain it."

---------
Yeah, can't fuccking imagine at all what might have been the problem.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 17, 2015 03:19 PM (/X7ln)

302 Which fails so many tests its ridiculous.

Oh sure, their arguments are lousy, but that's the response they give to the "its obviously human" line he brought up.

Abortion fails on every level - legal, moral, logical, philosophical, everything. The only reason its even considered is because the people who want them want to not have to deal with the consequences of their lifestyle.

And for some women who get an abortion, I have deep sympathy, compassion, and understanding. Sometimes they do it out of terror or feeling trapped. You're 15, your dad is a marine and your mom teaches sunday school when she's not in the choir at church. You snuck out to be with that hunky Johnny who's a senior and has a car, and got knocked up in a moment of poor teenage decision. Your choices at the age of 15 seem to be suicide and abortion.

Or you've just been raped by your stepdad the 40th time when he came home drunk and this time against the odds you got pregnant. Do you want to carry the baby to term? Especially knowing stepdad will probably beat you to paste for getting pregnant?

Sometimes the choices seem impossible and you just want a way out. So I have sympathy. I just know its evil to kill a baby.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:19 PM (39g3+)

303
Feminists don't care about fetus people.

Posted by: Kanye West-Jenner at April 17, 2015 03:19 PM (xkSSa)

304 You know what was a political loser for a longggg time?
Opposition to slavery.


In academic circles, from the late 1800s through at least the 1940s, you were an absolute moron if you didn't believe in Eugenics.

Read Oliver Wendell Holmes "three generations of imbeciles are enough" statement and think about it. It's an "unanswerable" assertion. Just like "a woman must be allowed to choose."

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2015 03:19 PM (jhqr1)

305 The fairly new, Garth Brooks song "Mom" speaks to the unborn issue.
Beginning of song baby is looking at Earth and talking to God. It's pretty from here but it's great big and scary.

"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you."

If you haven't heard the song...

Posted by: teej at April 17, 2015 03:19 PM (7UCSd)

306
@278
Understood, and agreed. I will see it when it comes out, because I, like you, don't want to turn my head away from something that is so ugly and so very real. A lot of people will choose to turn away, and chase unreality and the Kardashians so they can have an excuse to not see this or "The Silent Scream" and really get a good lookat what an abortion is.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 17, 2015 03:20 PM (k8xvx)

307 Brucella be my shorty, even though she half a head taller than me.

Posted by: Kanye West-Jenner at April 17, 2015 03:20 PM (xkSSa)

308 We need a fuzzy bunny Friday afternoon thread. This is depressing.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2015 03:20 PM (g1DWB)

309 That's always been his nic.

Maybe you were arguing with a sock?

As I recall it's the same spelling and wording.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 03:21 PM (zRby/)

310 Colorado, where they use to hang people for being horse thieves.

Sadly, now all they do is sit around sucking each others dicks and feeling bad for people who cut a live baby out of its mothers womb.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 17, 2015 03:22 PM (GGCsk)

311 Or you've just been raped by your stepdad the 40th time when he came home drunk and this time against the odds you got pregnant. Do you want to carry the baby to term? Especially knowing stepdad will probably beat you to paste for getting pregnant?

Sometimes the choices seem impossible and you just want a way out. So I have sympathy. I just know its evil to kill a baby.


Then whack the stepdad. Problem solved.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2015 03:22 PM (8Fqe6)

312 *rummages on the bookshelf*

The Hugo Winners Volume 3 Book 2 had a short story by Frederick Pohl and Cyril Kornbluth called "The Meeting." In it a very poor family with a disabled child is asked to sacrifice their child so a rich family can get their injured child back.

Or the whole concept of sapience, which Dick is alluding to with the algebra test, Piper tackles in Little Fuzzy in order to establish that the Fuzzies were an intelligent species and not some cute fur-bearing mammals.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 03:22 PM (ZUz2W)

313 In academic circles, from the late 1800s through at least the 1940s, you
were an absolute moron if you didn't believe in Eugenics.


And if you listen to them now, they still do. They're just more subtle about it.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 17, 2015 03:22 PM (ZKzrr)

314 Ok now how does that secession thingy work?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 17, 2015 03:23 PM (R8hU8)

315
Then you make the law if the woman is pregnant and the fetus dies. In Calif there is no week restriction, the perp doesnt have to even know that the woman is pregnant.

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 17, 2015 03:23 PM (iQIUe)

316 I think there are a couple Alludium XQ-232 Experimental Explosive Space Modulators up for sale on eBay. Item description says that they will only blow up one third of the Earth each. You have to provide your own transportation to mars as only "Local Pick Up" is being offered by eBay Member MtM234.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 17, 2015 03:24 PM (RQ2Z6)

317 "It is a human tissue, surely, but not a person."

Human DNA undergoing cell division at conception = an individual human person.

At that point, this person acquires equal civil rights.

Egads, Moo, I didn't use any "socon" or "religious" language.

Posted by: Feh at April 17, 2015 03:24 PM (KZ7dE)

318 I kind of agree with Moo moo...

/hangs his head in shame and goes to rethink his position....
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:50 PM (qh617)

You should because you are allow Moo Moo to conflate two points. SoCons believe all abortion is murder. Just because SoCons believe abortion to be murder does not mean they can't understand the politics of what they can achieve. Moo Moo seems to ignore that partial birth abortion bans, ultrasound requirements, etc. are things the SoCons have pushed for.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at April 17, 2015 03:24 PM (nRvEn)

319 Your choices at the age of 15 seem to be suicide and abortion.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 03:19 PM (39g3+


I think almost everyone is aware that putting up for adoption is also an option.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 17, 2015 03:24 PM (P7ulB)

320 298 My turn to be a ray of sunshine:

Didn't the cow start showing up about the time EoJ left?

---

Nah. He was here before that. He usually disappeared not long after EoJ ranted at him. He did have a way with a rant.

Posted by: Jenny Is Genuinely Curious at April 17, 2015 03:24 PM (mB6ez)

321 Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 17, 2015 03:23 PM (R8hU

1) capture a Fort
2) Declare the Union over
3) ?????
4) Meet at Gettysburg, Pa for in depth discussion of issues.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 17, 2015 03:25 PM (zRby/)

322 When i took my first son home from the hospital after his birth and we settled into our routine I realized immediately he recognized the theme music to several shows I'd been watching during the last month of my pregnancy. Funny enough music is still his favorite language. Of course he also recognized voices: mine, his dad's, my sister's.

Posted by: small town girl, crusader at April 17, 2015 03:25 PM (W+RZ5)

323 And if you listen to them now, they still do. They're just more subtle about it.

Agreed. One obvious example is how they'll point to the drop in crime and credit abortion. This is a barely concealed pro-Eugenics argument.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2015 03:25 PM (jhqr1)

324 So Luap Nor, the seller is 'The Thing from Another World' accepting as payment? Instant Martians or Ramen Noodles?

Oh you might want to check this stuff out for the F4U and A-24.
http://www.berkshirejunction.com/ezline.html#contact

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 17, 2015 03:25 PM (ZUz2W)

325 Nood, yo.

Posted by: Kanye West-Jenner at April 17, 2015 03:26 PM (xkSSa)

326
@288, 295
I hope not. Don't get me wrong, (and please don't think I'm trying to play holier than thou)what they did is a horrific sin, and any time someone murders another person they are playing God and spitting in His face.

Little Aurora is in heaven with her Father, and while that doesn't make the murderess' guilt any less, the little oneis safely home. He knows who she was, and what He intended, and what one evil human being with her own free will rejected and spat on.
God help me, because I know I'm being sanctimonious, but I cannot imagine what standing before the Lord with that on my charge sheet would be like, and I hope the Lord gets ahold of the heart of the murderess and the people who defend her from the "abortion" side. To be a unredeemed, unrepentant sinner, and a great one at that, in the hands of a just and righteous God is not something I would wish on anyone.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 17, 2015 03:26 PM (k8xvx)

327 I think almost everyone is aware that putting up for adoption is also an option.

Posted by: Cruzinator


There are lots of people that would love to adopt in such cases.

I mean, so I hear.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 17, 2015 03:27 PM (/Ho8c)

328
@327
Think about how hard it is to adopt these days. If I were conspiracy minded, I would look at the costs and requirements for adoption, and compare them to the costs and requirements for an abortion, and think that some people in the government have at least some preference for aborted children over adopted ones. Less paperwork.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 17, 2015 03:29 PM (k8xvx)

329 All our kids had personalities in utero. Oldest, occasionally rambunctious and interactive. Middle, quiet and easy. Youngest, always active but not really interactive.

And they all recognized our voices. When they look up at you, barely able to life their little heads, and look as if they're straining to compute what they see ... it's not really the birth of a strange thing, but meeting someone for the first time.

Posted by: Feh at April 17, 2015 03:29 PM (KZ7dE)

330 Watched an interview on book TV with an abortionist. Every woman who called in was sobbing about her abortion. It was difficult to listen to. You could tell it was a traumatic episode in their life, all the while praising the doctor for her services.

Posted by: Hadoop at April 17, 2015 03:30 PM (tKWZ6)

331 That's his normal hash. You should stick to thing you know about. Like low level racism and bigotry.

Posted by: buzzion at April 17, 2015 03:18 PM (zt+N6)

Then someone was socking him a bit much two days ago. Oh and buzzion, suck my dick.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 17, 2015 03:30 PM (0FSuD)

332 "Think about how hard it is to adopt these days. "

It'd be interesting to see who was involved in the lobbying.

Posted by: Feh at April 17, 2015 03:31 PM (KZ7dE)

333
And science (actual science, not "Science!") has already answered
the question of when life begins: conception. And once life begins it
is a human life- it can be no other. Ergo all the "Natural Rights"
apply.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 17, 2015 02:39 PM (kff5f)


I pointed this out in a debate the other day in the Breitbart comments; I even linked and quoted several Biology textbooks. The person I was debated did a hard turn and was claiming that when life begins all the sudden wasn't a scientific question... it was a philosophical question so I could keep my nasty Christofascist science to myself.
...
OK, so that last part was more heavily implied instead of outright said.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 17, 2015 03:32 PM (OrI3J)

334 I think you're overthinking it. It's hard to adopt healthy infants because there's so few of them being placed for adoption, since there has been a cultural shift regarding single parenthood and getting married while pregnant. And birth control. The majority of abortions are done on adult women, not 15 year olds.

Posted by: Jenny Is Genuinely Curious at April 17, 2015 03:34 PM (mB6ez)

335
"where the odds are good, but the goods are odd."
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 17, 2015 02:42 PM (+YMhA)
Love this. Stealing it.

Posted by: Alexander The Mediocre at April 17, 2015 03:35 PM (v+sJu)

336 It just aint going to happen....
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 17, 2015 02:58 PM (qh617)

And the first trimester plan you keep won't work because our black robed masters took that choice out of our hands. It wasn't Roe v Wade, but another case that made putting restrictions on abortion extremely difficult.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at April 17, 2015 03:38 PM (nRvEn)

337 What happens between a woman, and her attacker should be respected...and probably subsidized.

Posted by: Beorn at April 17, 2015 03:40 PM (dGF4J)

338 unless the fetus is gay. then you have a crime.

Posted by: X at April 17, 2015 03:48 PM (n5fTN)

339 Same DA's office that refused to prosecute the TSA groper? Colorado, look into this.

Posted by: AMartel at April 17, 2015 03:54 PM (WWgnZ)

340 Sooo... when a Chinese criminal gang drugs me and steals one of my kidneys, I can't charge them with theft? It is just simple assault?

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at April 17, 2015 03:55 PM (/EkKm)

341 Oh, so NOW you tell the brutha I should've done my work in Colorado and not in Philly??? Raycist.

Hopefully, Barry can pitch me a Prezzie Pardon next year and I can get on with my work.......

Posted by: Dr. Kermit Gosnell at April 17, 2015 03:55 PM (sCHw2)

342 Stories like this make me heartsick. AndI know this makes me sound crazy but I consider myself a Christian guy and I personally (and mostly privately)believe 55 million abortions represent a kind of modern-day child sacrifice that serves the same purpose as that practiced by ancient peoples. I believe abortion is Satanic in nature and I oppose it on both religious and humanist grounds.

If key opinion and thought leaders on the American Left get their way--thinkers/leaders like Ezekiel Emmanuel for example--we'll be seeing outright infanticide within the next decade, mass euthanasia of the elderly and infirm in the decade after that. I see it coming as clearly as if it has already happened. We must stop it or at least try to stop it. It's as evil as it gets.

Posted by: troyriser at April 17, 2015 03:56 PM (XHR9b)

343 These people are the left's version of Todd Akin and Santorum. Insane ideas easily cross party lines.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:37 PM (0LHZx)

No Moo Moo, the difference is that Todd Akin and Rick Santorum are not evil. Those who support abortion are.
It's that simple.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 17, 2015 03:59 PM (PfWwQ)

344 Reminds me of the Peterson case in California (some years ago). Pro-abortionists were against the two charges (baby and mother) rather then just one (mother). Scott Peterson was charged and convicted of double homicide and is currently on death row.

It bothered me somewhat that a woman's choice could define murder.

For the record I am pro-choice, in the pure sense as Zombie described. Who in this day and age would condemn the children for the sins of the father.

That being said I need another drink.

Posted by: drunkinmesa at April 17, 2015 04:00 PM (9SyK4)

345 And there you go...the end game for all TruCons when
it comes to abortion....a complete ban because life is life. It's a
losing position politically but you people just cannot let go. Some day
you'll learn. Maybe.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 17, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)


How unreasonable of us to say that killing babies is wrong and maybe we, as a nation, ought to lay off of that. Some positions are bigger than politics and ought not be changed because its expedient.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 17, 2015 04:04 PM (OrI3J)

346 Hey, You Guys, I'd like to do something I've never done before and have a coherent thought that doesn't result in hatred of white people or America. Can one of you pull my finger? Thanks!

Posted by: Moo Moo, now with brains at April 17, 2015 04:04 PM (sCHw2)

347 Because of fetus envy. Some women have problems getting pregnant after years of trying not to get pregnant. Therefore, pregnant women have it coming (and yes, I am tenth grade drop out)

Posted by: CO Legislator at April 17, 2015 04:13 PM (bpemY)

348 I think almost everyone is aware that putting up for adoption is also an option.

When you're 15 and terrified your parents might find out you're pregnant, it doesn't seem like one.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 17, 2015 04:17 PM (39g3+)

349 Greetings:

I've heard of a charge known as "mayhem" that some locales use for particularly grievous assaults involving great bodily damage and/or dismemberment kind of things.

Posted by: 11B40 at April 17, 2015 05:01 PM (abx5/)

350 BUT, what about the British actions in Malayasia in the 1950's!.

Posted by: Midnight Clad at April 17, 2015 06:24 PM (wwF6q)

351 Isaiah 59:11
We all growl like bears; we moan mournfully like doves. We look for justice, but find none; for deliverance, but it is far away.

Posted by: Jane at April 17, 2015 06:29 PM (to9kf)

352 Ace, post the names of those Demoscum who opposed this bill. They should be called out.

Posted by: wannabeanglican at April 18, 2015 09:06 AM (vFmT2)

353 I agree with the decision, and I am pro-life. The unborn are either alive or they aren't. You don't get to say it's not a baby if mom-the-sociopath wants to have the baby dismembered but the same baby is alive if someone else does it. Make people own that shit instead of engaging in some serious suspension of disbelief on a massive scale where everyone pretends women are doing something different. That's how we got here and it needs to stop.

Posted by: Zed at April 18, 2015 05:07 PM (I/iRr)

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