More Americans Than Ever Don't Believe Health Care is a Government Responsibility

Obama is the shit-fingered Midas.

Before he took up the cause of health care reform, most Americans thought it was a government responsibility to guarantee it for all Americans; since he incompetently involved his lying mouth, they no longer do.


Jonah Goldberg writes about the Gruberization of the Left and the media:


I've been thinking about this:

Most of us are down. But why?

We should naturally be down if Obama were perverting the American constitutional system and profiting from it. We should be down if Obama enacted a welter of socialist policies and the economy boomed anyway, thus suggesting to voters that socialism "works."

We should be down if Obama imposed a socialist health care system on the country and our countrymen enjoyed the tyranny.

But they don't.

At every single pass -- the economy, Iran, IS, Obamacare, immigration -- Obama and the left are being discredited, and not just slightly discredited, but discredited to a Carter-like degree.

Possibly discredited for 20 or 30 years.

We should not be so down.

We do not like what this monster is doing to America, of course.

But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard.

And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.

Posted by: Ace at 03:52 PM




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1 O'Keefe has been teasing something new ...

James O'Keefe @JamesOKeefeIII 2m
If only DOJ walls could talk..@ElectionLawCtr

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 03:53 PM (ZPrif)

2 Agreed. This has been a golden age for conservative media.

Taking down the ProgMedia and building up the conservative alt-media is a noble task.

And it's fun. We get to pick fights with the progs.

And those of us smart enough to ply our trade in conservative alt-media actually get to make some money, too.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 03:54 PM (ZPrif)

3 Ace, I'd like to believe you - but he is importing a foreign people who do in fact like being cared for by others. And yes, this is racial. I would be happy if I started seeing some blowback beyond the ballot box. And I mean real blowback.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 03:56 PM (oDCMR)

4 I'm not one of those smart enough, but I'm glad others are.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 03:56 PM (ZPrif)

5 Democrats are the party of Communists, criminals, perverts, and layabouts.

Have I left anything out? I think that pretty much covers all of them.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 03:56 PM (oKE6c)

6 But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard.

The real problem is that such damage is very rarely, if ever, rolled back, much less fixed.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 03:56 PM (MMC8r)

7 You know what that graphic shows. The feckless stupidity of the average American.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 03:56 PM (1vYi0)

8 I am shocked that the public opinion on this has moved in this direction so much!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 03:57 PM (XUKZU)

9 >>>And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.

Wishcasting. Nice, but wishcasting.

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 03:57 PM (3ZtZW)

10 At every single pass -- the economy, Iran, IS, Obamacare, immigration -- Obama and the left are being discredited, and not just slightly discredited, but discredited to a Carter-like degree

I think people are down because regardless of what the public thinks now, Obamacare is the law of the land and very few of us ever think it will repealed.

Hope you're feeling better, Ace.

Posted by: Heralder at November 21, 2014 03:57 PM (/Mxso)

11
Good, because it shouldn't be a govt responsibility other than to prosecute for fraud and malpractice.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 03:57 PM (1nB6R)

12 ....and the JEF is just getting started.

2 more years of fail to go, thanks to the LIV's.

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 21, 2014 03:57 PM (h8UWI)

13 anyone mind if I post this again..? from Legal Insurrection:
Last night, the President did more than bring illegal immigrants "out of the shadows" with his executive order. With the stroke of a pen, he made it harder for law enforcement officials to protect Americans from illegals who stick their heads out of the shadows to commit violent crimes.
As part of his executive order, President Obama suspended the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) Secure Communities program. Secure Communities required the FBI to automatically send the fingerprints of anyone arrested by state or local police to DHS for a cross check; DHS could then screen the arrestee to see if the person was either a criminal alien, or someone who fell under civil immigration enforcement priorities.

Posted by: mallfly at November 21, 2014 03:58 PM (bJm7W)

14 What America should have learned at this point is the Dem Party is nothing more than Big Business, Big Academia and Slum Lords conspiring to grow their business models off of the middle class.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 03:58 PM (oDCMR)

15 But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard.

And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.



But not yet.

We are down because of 2012. Spare me the it was stolen voter fraud it is the fault of the Republicans who stayed home.

It shouldn't have been close. It shouldn't have been anywhere near close. And yet and yet and yet.

We are down because Lerner isn't in jail. Neither is Holder. Neither are any of those who pulled off the Solyndra scam.

I could go on and on and on but it is not unreasonable to be down.

I remember the crowing about the Permanent Republican Majority around here in 2004. Hell, I remember partaking in it.

Now that my sweetness and light credentials have been buffed, I will say that the massive, massive rejection of Democrat rule on the state level is very encouraging indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 03:58 PM (mf5HN)

16 I have always wondered why his approval numbers keep going down when most LIV's don't watch Fox. I don't think the public is as stupid as they think we are. People see through him, and no MSM adulation is hiding him.

Posted by: Chilling the most at November 21, 2014 03:58 PM (wWs6x)

17 Most of us are down. But why?



Because he is not going down hard or fast enough. 52% think he is totes ok.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 03:58 PM (zESFM)

18
And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.

This is why we're down. We don't believe that's going to happen.

Every new example shows us that the fix is in. Gruber the independent expert, paid by the White House, scornful of dumb voters, protected by the kneepad media. The fix is so completely in.

It's all so interlocking.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 03:59 PM (JtwS4)

19 I'm down because while they've been discredited, they are being discredited to only the people paying attention...and that's a shrinking minority.

Who cares if Obama is "on record" (to use McConnell's favorite phrase) if no one out there cares because to do so would mean giving up comfort and benefits? It's easier for people to plug their ears rather than confront an awful truth.

Yeah. He's discredited. The Dems are discredited. And yet they still seem to get a good deal of what they want in the end. In that poll, it's not like the GOPe is going to look at it and suddenly say "hey, that's all we need to know to fight for a wholesale repeal." It's not going to happen, mainly because I think the GOPe doesn't mind socialized healthcare all that much either.

And that's why I'm down. People are speaking, but not enough, and the powers that be aren't listening anyway.

Posted by: @JohnTant at November 21, 2014 03:59 PM (gaCp8)

20 The part I don't get: feminists caterwauling to "keep your hands off my body," and "my body, my decision" want the Government to control health care. Girlz, here's a clue: he who pays, decides. If the Government pays, the Government decides, not you. So unless your slogans above are bullshit, maybe you'd be better off paying for yourself, yes?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 03:59 PM (oKE6c)

21 This is why I didn't pull the lever for McCain: I knew SCOAMF was the arrogant, empty-suited leftist that he was, and that his presidency had the potential to discredit the whole thing. (McCain, of course, would have just confused the issue and made diagnosing the country's problems more difficult for the general populace). I was dismayed when TFG was re-elected, but hey, better late than never, I guess.

Anyway, I feel good enough to be utterly crushed again when the Repubs inevitably cave.

Posted by: JSchuler at November 21, 2014 03:59 PM (ashPd)

22 Gruberdammerung... Twilight of the Grubers.
Wish I'd thunk of that.

Posted by: mallfly at November 21, 2014 03:59 PM (bJm7W)

23 What's more, he might be bringing down the whole DC shitball of corruption. Or I could be just delusional.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 03:59 PM (jkeQO)

24 Dearest Ace
We are down because cry boy Boner and that turtle with his head up his ass McConnell are parasites who continually fuck the base.


Any more questions?

Posted by: Space Colonist at November 21, 2014 04:00 PM (/WmRg)

25
I reject the premise that Obama will bring down the media and the left.

Nothing will bring them down. They will simply pretend Obama never happened and start pimping Warren or Booker.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 21, 2014 04:00 PM (fwARV)

26 >>Wishcasting. Nice, but wish casting.

I don't think so. I was saying last fall when Obamacare started rolling out and failing that it was bigger than just Obamacare, it was an indictment on liberal big government.

This is what Reagan ran on against Carter when his policies threw the country into a "malaise". Our next candidate will have the same opportunity.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 04:00 PM (g1DWB)

27 *sliders a plate of cookies to AtC*

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 04:00 PM (sgrzZ)

28 16
I have always wondered why his approval numbers keep going down when
most LIV's don't watch Fox. I don't think the public is as stupid as
they think we are. People see through him, and no MSM adulation is
hiding him.

Posted by: Chilling the most at November 21, 2014 03:58 PM (wWs6x)


Problem is, who cares if his numbers are down, the election is over, and he still is able to do probably irreversible damage. When he leaves office, even if his number are in the teens, I doubt it's going to tarnish the left's policies for too long, mainly because the schools and the media are still firmly left, and our kids are being literally indoctrinated with this shit.

Posted by: Heralder at November 21, 2014 04:01 PM (/Mxso)

29 >But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard.

And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.





Posted by: Ace at 03:52 PM<



I was told the rules of this place require you to share whatever you are smoking.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bodice Repair Man at November 21, 2014 04:01 PM (sjdRT)

30 And being nit-picky: Mollie shoulda put an umlaut over the A in Grueberdaemmerung.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 04:01 PM (JtwS4)

31 I like the optimism, Ace.

I don't quite believe it, but I like it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 21, 2014 04:01 PM (L2xDv)

32 I don't think the average LIV sees through anything. They live like a bobber on a wave. Never really holding a principled view.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 04:01 PM (1vYi0)

33 Ace,

You are far to optimistic.

Posted by: The Hat of DOOM at November 21, 2014 04:01 PM (lN8KC)

34

"But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard.

And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls."


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Bullshit.
Lyndon Johnson failed and Jimmy Carter failed. Yet the ratchet to the Left never turned back, no entitlements were rolled back, the mass media and the academy were utterly conquered by the Long March of the Left. All we have left is a Jonah-Goldbergian satisfaction that alternative conservative media is healthy and vibrant. Whoopdee-fucking-doo.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 21, 2014 04:02 PM (4ckfx)

35 >>>>>he is importing a foreign people who do in fact like being cared for by others. And yes, this is racial.

Which goes back to that Oswald Spengler quote about how only another power can replace a power, and how Money is the present one which can only be replaced by the last power, which is Blood. By Blood he meant Race/Tribe.

It just occurs to me that Obama is reviving the ole Blut und Erd style of 'community organizing' isn't he?

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 04:02 PM (3ZtZW)

36 Sure I'm down. But I can't share your optimism. Wanna share some low-grade anti-ebola pharmacueticals with me?

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 04:02 PM (zxQ4h)

37
Jonah Goldberg writes about the Gruberization of the Left and the media:








Didn't he have a chapter on this subject in that book he wrote, Liberal Fascism?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 21, 2014 04:02 PM (TIIx5)

38 We do not like what this monster is doing to America, of course.

But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard.

And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.


You're quite optimistic.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (rwI+c)

39 In before the GOPe bashing and blaming.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (o0mD3)

40 In communist China, they give the workers a bowl of rice. In communist America, they give the workers rice and beans.

Posted by: Fritz at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (UzPAd)

41 I'm down because we still have too many "we can do government better" guys running the show, and too few "we shouldn't be doing it all" guys.

Posted by: no good deed at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (w3a0Z)

42 Slowly but surely, starting in our in circles of influence, whether big or small, we start talking about how a large segment of the political class on the left are commies. That what they represent is antithetical to the founding principles of this nation. We do it in reasonable tones, with patience and perseverance. I know it's easier said than done but we can't lose our shit in this combat of ideas and words. a bunch of small fights all around will equal big results. If we don't quit or give in to the despair. The examples our founding fathers set for us means something to me. My institutional ancestors in the Army that suffered dark, serious shit going back to the revolutionary war, their examples mean something to me personally. So I owe it to them to not quit, to not give in to despair. Until I ain't breathing any more. And I'll open my mouth at every turn and keep reading good books, articles that will help me sharpen my arguments, my thoughts. What else can I do?

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (brSYJ)

43 We should be down if Obama imposed a socialist health care system on the country and our countrymen enjoyed the tyranny.
But they don't.
At every single pass -- the economy, Iran, IS, Obamacare, immigration -- Obama and the left are being discredited, and not just slightly discredited, but discredited to a Carter-like degree.


This monumental change is like adventure: A lot more fun at the hearing and re-telling than it is during the actual experience.

Posted by: fluffez at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (Ua6T/)

44 Until Obama is completely and udderly hamstrung this country is in danger. I don't see anyone in congressional leadership with the balls or backbone to do the job.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (sgrzZ)

45 "The real problem is that such damage is very rarely, if ever, rolled back, much less fixed."

This.

Also, I'm down because people I know, people who vote Republican, are celebrating Obama's "biblical" approach to immigration today. That's enough to make me start drinking.

Posted by: Lauren Hulk at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (BPMYx)

46 I get what you're saying here, and thanks for the attempt at lifting spirits.

If my primary concern were convincing a majority of the population that socialism makes men equally poor and miserable, I guess I'd see the silver lining here.

Unfortunately, we're teaching them this lesson by actually subjecting all of us to it. So that sort of takes the bloom off of that rose.

And consider this fact: Legalizing millions of new Democrat voters will make the opinion of the majority of the current population irrelevant. So the fact that we're winning a few more hearts and minds matters not one bit -- those few tens of thousands of votes will be but a rounding error compared to the clown car of south-of-the-border socialists that just screeched up to the curb.

But thanks for trying, all the same.

Posted by: Pastafarian at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (LqrRo)

47 And being nit-picky: Mollie shoulda put an umlaut over the A in Grueberdaemmerung.

Posted by: Bandersnatch


Well, if we're in nit-pick mode, I'm forced to note that the text was written by Jonah Goldberg (he wrote a book, you know!)

Posted by: weft cut-loop, now in Dark Chunks! at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (NFl+r)

48 Now that my sweetness and light credentials have been buffed, I will say that the massive, massive rejection of Democrat rule on the state level is very encouraging indeed.
Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 03:58 PM (mf5HN)


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You are correct. The states were very good news indeed.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (jkeQO)

49 Thank you, wrg500

*goes face first into plate*


Anyway, I feel good enough to be utterly crushed again when the Repubs inevitably cave.
Posted by: JSchuler at November 21, 2014 03:59 PM (ashPd)


Ahhh, hope. That lovely warm glow you get right before the train smashes into your face.

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (mf5HN)

50 We do not like what this monster is doing to America, of course.

But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard.

And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.


You're quite optimistic, or it's just the Ebola talkin'.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (evdj2)

51 I need to bake some cookies.
Hot chocolate and cookies, that's what I need to do.

Posted by: Rudolph the Depressed at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (PhlUs)

52 I was told the rules of this place require you to share whatever you are smoking.

I'm cereal!

Ace, you been getting fresh air and sunshine without telling us about it?

Posted by: fluffez at November 21, 2014 04:05 PM (Ua6T/)

53 And as for as bringing down anyone? Pfft. That is the very reason Obama is importing more socialists. He wants to make his margin for victory outside the reach of the irritated voter. His imported class come from a culture that seeks to be taken care of.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 04:05 PM (1vYi0)

54 Limbaugh talked about that yesterday...Dems getting their asses handed to them 84,88,94,2010,2014 look at the state of the country...does it look like the Dems are losing?

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 21, 2014 04:05 PM (o2Jt2)

55 Oh noes! Big Macs and Appelbees and whatever else you peasants eat might go up a dollar or two!! OMG!!

Energy and food costs going up in the fattest nation on the planet!! Worst. Thing. Evar!!

Suck it, proles. We're saving the planet.
We're on a holy fucking mission from the Right Side of History.
Whether you like it or not.

The Daily Caller @DailyCaller
Report: EPA Regulations To Raise Power Costs 37 Percent By 2020 trib.al/YLTSZWx

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 21, 2014 04:05 PM (ZPrif)

56 29 >But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard.
And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.
Posted by: Ace at 03:52 PM<
I was told the rules of this place require you to share whatever you are smoking.
Posted by: Muad'dib - Bodice Repair Man at November 21, 2014 04:01 PM (sjdRT)




Ceausceau thought he was golden too.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:05 PM (oKE6c)

57 You know what would make me happy? Watching Candy Crowley beheaded by a misunderstood urban youth who had recently converted to Islam. That would make me happy.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 04:05 PM (oDCMR)

58 Ace is upbeat today. He is either is less sickly or has a date tonight.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 04:06 PM (1vYi0)

59 Well, if we're in nit-pick mode, I'm forced to note that the text was written by Jonah Goldberg (he wrote a book, you know!)
Posted by: weft cut-loop, now in Dark Chunks! at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (NFl+r)



He did? Why didn't anyone here ever mention that?

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 04:06 PM (mf5HN)

60 We should not be so down.

In the long term, perhaps not. Assuming we get there in one piece, an assumption that's frankly not supported given how dangerous the world's become on Jugear's watch.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at November 21, 2014 04:06 PM (PMGbu)

61 "And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls."

That bringing the media down is the one I'm waiting for. Yeah, I know Fox News is way up and the lib "news" outlets are down but I really want to see entire entities go out of business. I want to see them turn on each other. I want to see carnage. Lots of carnage.

Posted by: Dang at November 21, 2014 04:07 PM (MNq6o)

62 Obama is The Burn. When we used to say "Let It Burn" we meant what is happening under Obiewon-o-bumbles.

You LIV's say you want socialism? Here ya go- how's that unemployment and declining income feel? How about those taxes!

You say you want government health insurance? How do you like it now?

You want Progressive foreign policies? How do you like this path to WW3?!

It's burning and the idiots are starting to connect the dots.

Posted by: MTF at November 21, 2014 04:07 PM (6um35)

63
Well, if we're in nit-pick mode, I'm forced to note that the text was written by Jonah Goldberg (he wrote a book, you know!)

Ah, Mollie tweeted it. I thought Ace slugged it wrong.

Now tell me about this book. I'm very interested in the way that Liberals hew to Fascism to achieve their ends.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 04:07 PM (JtwS4)

64 Democrats are the party of Communists, criminals, perverts, and layabouts.

Have I left anything out? I think that pretty much covers all of them.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 03:56 PM (oKE6c)


One more thing...

Posted by: AmishDude at November 21, 2014 04:07 PM (L2xDv)

65 Yeah, I never got the pointless (yet strangely self-flattering in a persecution complex sort of way) defeatism of so many here. In fact, if I recall my first post on this blog was pointing out that things were actually looking up for the future of liberty in this country and we should stop acting like this is the winter encampment at Valley Forge.

Posted by: Captain_Cookie at November 21, 2014 04:07 PM (qJPSp)

66 I admit I get down because of the Left crowing smugly and their triumphal nonstop arrogance. Step outside the Right blogosphere, and that's all I'm force fed. So yeah, it sometimes gets to me. And I live in a Blue State.

Posted by: kraken at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (5+mPY)

67 42 Slowly but surely, starting in our in circles of influence, whether big or small, we start talking about how a large segment of the political class on the left are commies. That what they represent is antithetical to the founding principles of this nation. We do it in reasonable tones, with patience and perseverance. I know it's easier said than done but we can't lose our shit in this combat of ideas and words. a bunch of small fights all around will equal big results.

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (brSYJ)




This is why I routinely refer to them as Reds. Because they are, and I believe in calling a spade a spade.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (oKE6c)

68
It's happening, and there's not one g--damn thing anyone can do about it. The math of presidential elections still overwhelmingly favors the Democrats, and not one person is in jail.
We are down with good reason.

Posted by: Sam In VA at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (Q52VH)

69 By mistake I saw King Fredo the First on TV in Vegas sucking up big time. Thought I was going to puke before I could change the channel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (nzKvP)

70 Ace the optimist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

Posted by: SarahW at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (Lbv/k)

71 "At every single pass -- the economy, Iran, IS, Obamacare, immigration -- Obama and the left are being discredited, and not just slightly discredited, but discredited to a Carter-like degree.Possibly discredited for 20 or 30 years."

Here's why I'm down: so many of these obvious untruth have not only been embraced by so many of my fellow Americans, but they've managed to make existing standards, traditions and just plain common sense verboten.

It's like living in upside-down land/opposite day when we have to do things like publicly celebrate the first gay NFL player while demonizing one who has the audacity to celebrate his Christian faith openly, when we're not allowed to notice that all of the major terrorist groups are Muslim, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (ABcz/)

72 The illegals (now legals) will be doing the jobs that Americans refuse to do - voting Democrat

Posted by: TexasJew at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (/B6Iw)

73 Most of us are down. But why?

A dangerous question, Ace.

In my case, the "down" comes from watching Choom Boy "fundamentally transforming" the country, and getting away with it.

Y'see, there are laws on the books -- and, of course, the Constitution -- prohibiting much of what he has done. That would stop most Americans, but not him.

Which brings us to Part Two of the reason: we are told that actually holding President Historic FirstŠ accountable for a host of petty violations, misdemeanors, and felonies, would be an act of racism and might cause Bad Optics. The average Joe and Josephine Sixpack would hate us for besmirching this tender Person of Color who has Brought the Nation Together. Worst part? Too much of the clamor to let this Lightworker go about his way comes from people in the media who claim to be Conservative, who have from the start given him a free pass.

And those eunuchs of verbiage are simply echoing the so-called Republicans in Congress, who act as if the way to be the Loyal Opposition is to cave in to an America-hating, budget-destroying, lawbreaking agenda.

In short, people who believe as I do -- and there are more than you might think -- are watching the country -- our country -- circle the drain while its supposed guardians (elected and self-appointed alike) sit idly by.

Other than that, everything's hunky-dory!

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (PoKIA)

74 Optimism is that feeling you have before you realize your screwed.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (sgrzZ)

75 Whoa. My weird commenting latency is back.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 04:09 PM (evdj2)

76 Wow. Clair McCaskill, one of Obama's earliest supporters, comes out against Obama's amnesty EO.

http://tinyurl.com/m7tvnll

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 04:09 PM (g1DWB)

77 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 21, 2014 04:02 PM (4ckfx)

It just seems that way . I concede it's more like 2 steps back, 1 3/4 steps forward.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 04:09 PM (o0mD3)

78
One more thing...

Posted by: AmishDude at November 21, 2014 04:07 PM (L2xDv)


Yesssss?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:09 PM (oKE6c)

79 or is it?

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 04:09 PM (rwI+c)

80 interdasting

@conncarroll: Huge: Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) comes out against Obama's amnesty http://bit.ly/1F9IElU

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 04:09 PM (ZPrif)

81 After Al Gore lost to GWB in 2000, the media's mantra has been "Never Again" [will we allow the truth be reported about democrats]

Posted by: Walter Duranty at November 21, 2014 04:09 PM (LoIJo)

82 >Posted by: Captain_Cookie at November 21, 2014 04:07 PM (qJPSp)
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The winter camp at Valley Forge was a pretty hungry place. I don't think strolling around here with the name Captain_Cookie is a real good idea.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bodice Repair Man at November 21, 2014 04:10 PM (sjdRT)

83 A Good War will turn all these trends around.

Posted by: Liberal Dreams at November 21, 2014 04:10 PM (J7NUM)

84 And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.

The Democrat Party, media, unions, etc are all useful tools. The Avenging Angel of the 3rd World will have his vengeance on all Americans, no matter what their affiliations.

Posted by: delurk ergo sum at November 21, 2014 04:10 PM (B/HTm)

85 65 Yeah, I never got the pointless (yet strangely self-flattering in a persecution complex sort of way) defeatism of so many here. In fact, if I recall my first post on this blog was pointing out that things were actually looking up for the future of liberty in this country and we should stop acting like this is the winter encampment at Valley Forge.
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Cold and hungry - those guys had the opportunity to kill their enemy - so of course they had hope. We - not so much.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 04:10 PM (oDCMR)

86 We do not like what this monster is doing to America, of course. But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard. And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.


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Rush was making a point either yesterday or the day before that no matter how elections turn out, the left is always moving the country in their direction.

Elections don't matter to these people and why should they? They own the MFM, public schools (K thru Grad), pop culture, Hollywood, judges and courts, etc.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 04:10 PM (jkeQO)

87 I believe, I believe
It's silly, but I believe

*stares pensively out car window*

Posted by: ginaswo now Natalie Wood in Miracle on 34th Street at November 21, 2014 04:10 PM (+X1qa)

88 Clair McCaskill, one of Obama's earliest supporters, comes out against Obama's amnesty EO.

http://tinyurl.com/m7tvnll
Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 04:09 PM (g1DWB)

No real wow. I "assume" she harbors hopes of being re-elected one day. Rats fleeing sinking ship. I expect you will see more dems doing that IF we keep the pressure on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2014 04:10 PM (nzKvP)

89
We should be down if Obama imposed a socialist health care system on the country and our countrymen enjoyed the tyranny.


But they don't.


At every single pass -- the economy, Iran, IS, Obamacare, immigration -- Obama and the left are being discredited, and not just slightly discredited, but discredited to a Carter-like degree.


Possibly discredited for 20 or 30 years.

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I am down because we lost to this American-hating incompetent failure twice. And because I see no sign that the Republican party has learned any lessons from those losses. And because, even if/when they win, they don't do a goddamned thing about it.

This country is irreparably divided. And the division is not on party lines. It's on the haves and have nots. And the "haves" don't just have the money, but the power and influence that we stupid law-abiding working Americans will never have.

That's why I'm depressed.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 04:11 PM (9BRsg)

90 84 And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.

The Democrat Party, media, unions, etc are all useful tools. The Avenging Angel of the 3rd World will have his vengeance on all Americans, no matter what their affiliations.
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This! BTW - do you think the private unions are ready to walk yet?

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 04:11 PM (oDCMR)

91 That's the spirit ace! The facts? Mmm, hope so. Problem too is that the left-through media and publik skools--have dumbed down 'mericans who lack critical thinking skills, are too entertained and busy with the trivial, lack basic civic and US History and understanding and, now, are being diluted with the immigration of millions of uneducated non-Americans, this sea change will take a long time to manifest.

Upside is that I agree it will. Like they have done, incrementalism works both ways. I do thank Gruber from my heart for his arrogant candor. Were he a GOP consultant on something, even the Ferguson protestors would know who he was.

Posted by: eureka! at November 21, 2014 04:11 PM (Zbknu)

92 66 I admit I get down because of the Left crowing smugly and their triumphal nonstop arrogance. Step outside the Right blogosphere, and that's all I'm force fed. So yeah, it sometimes gets to me. And I live in a Blue State.
Posted by: kraken at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (5+mPY)




Don't take that at face value. The Reds go out of their way to look like they have "mass support," as they put it. Read one of their flyers: it'll invariably list a shitload of committees and groups that back whatever it is the Reds want. If you drill down, you'll find that all those groups are permutations and combinations of the same couple dozen people. (Things I learned at Berkeley.)

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:11 PM (oKE6c)

93 @ 34. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 21, 2014 04:02 PM

Agree. My sentiments as well.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 21, 2014 04:11 PM (6hrmc)

94
Hello, you may know me from such films as "These GOP Wimps Really Disgust Me", "Paul Ryan is a Lying Traitorous Douchebag" and "Burn it Down Now!", but I do see small signs of an American Giant waking up.*

*granted its on life support, but a quantum of hope.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 04:12 PM (1nB6R)

95 >>No real wow. I "assume" she harbors hopes of being re-elected one day. Rats fleeing sinking ship. I expect you will see more dems doing that IF we keep the pressure on

Yea, its a huge wow. We are going to have 54 seats in the Senate and we need 60 to overcome Obama vetoes. All we need is 6 Dems and getting one like her would be huge.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 04:12 PM (g1DWB)

96 Ace - I've always tried to remain optimistic on this board. The GOP and Conservatives (by no means are they always together) are doing well. Not as well as any of us want, but it isn't doom and gloom either.

I'm not even sure we are losing the culture war. If anything, we are storming back. Conservatives have been on the defensive in the culture wars for a long time, but progress is being made. We completely won the message on gun control. I mean we destroyed the left on that. In 20 years, this country has move decisvely pro-gun. Alternatively, and even better, the country was always pro-gun and the law has finally caught up.

On abortion, we are making strides, thanks to technology and science.

On taxes, the conservatives won. We won too big. Taxes are so low, that for half the country, they are basically non-existent. The fight isn't over, but the fight over whether this country likes taxes is - surprise - the country does not.

Work remains to be done. But there is reason to be optimistic.

The GOP is as strong now as ever before.

Be optimisitic. The battle never ends.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:13 PM (gmeXX)

97 You answered your own question:

And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.


^That isn't going to happen.


Being a Democrat is about ID--not ideology.

And, the media is shameless and one party.


Meanwhile we will tear each other apart because we are the only ones that really give a damn.

So lash out at Jack, or Jill here---because no one else gives a shit.


Hell Political Hat was called a troll yesterday--uh huh.

He's the problem.


Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 21, 2014 04:13 PM (RJMhd)

98 Obama Establishes Task Force On New Americans As Part Of Immigration Order



How exactly did we go from illegal aliens to new Americans?

Weasel Zippers

The shinanagins begin

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2014 04:13 PM (nzKvP)

99 Knowledgable people are down more today because the information highway allows news and commentary 24/7 instantaneously.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 04:13 PM (o0mD3)

100 This! BTW - do you think the private unions are ready to walk yet?

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 04:11 PM (oDCMR)


They will when illegal aliens start undercutting union wage demands. The problem is that most union membership nowadays is in the public sector, something our next President (let's try going back to Americans, this time) needs to address. What that asshole JFK hath wrought needs to be unwrought, stat.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:13 PM (oKE6c)

101 So 42% still believe we should wars of the state. Not very encouraging. Especially when you consider another 20% think health care should just be free.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 21, 2014 04:13 PM (1BQGO)

102 He is either is less sickly or has a date tonight.

Maybe he's read preview copies of my upcoming book, "1 simple trick to get her in bed".

Posted by: Bill Cosby at November 21, 2014 04:13 PM (zxQ4h)

103 "Rush was making a point either yesterday or the day before that no matter how elections turn out, the left is always moving the country in their direction.

Elections don't matter to these people and why should they? They own the MFM, public schools (K thru Grad), pop culture, Hollywood, judges and courts, etc."

Exactly, and it happens so unbelievably fast. Prop 8 was only 6 years ago. 6 years. Californians rejected gay marriage 6 years ago.

Now? We're forcing ministers to perform the ceremonies and threatening bakers with jail time.

Posted by: Lauren Hulk at November 21, 2014 04:13 PM (BPMYx)

104 The problem is that in spite of being discredited, the left is still getting everything it wants, and that doesn't look likely to change any time soon.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 21, 2014 04:14 PM (GrgPg)

105 Long term I'm down cause I think the Democrats are making a huge bet on changing demographics -- and I think they'll probably win. The Left is convinced they can turn America socialist by importing tens of millions of people from socialist countries.

I think that in the coming decades the only way the conservatives will have a chance to hold back the rising socialist horde -- is with ever more racial appeals to white voters (and to a degree asians).

So I see more a more racially and ethnically divided America in the future, which is gonna suck. And I see a more socialist America, which is also gonna suck.

I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 04:14 PM (ZPrif)

106 The winter camp at Valley Forge was a pretty hungry place. I don't think
strolling around here with the name Captain_Cookie is a real good idea.


Who brought cookies? Over here, and no one gets hurt.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 21, 2014 04:14 PM (ZKzrr)

107 This is why I routinely refer to them as Reds. Because they are, and I believe in calling a spade a spade.

RAYCISS!

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 21, 2014 04:14 PM (/Ho8c)

108 I respectfully disagree, ace. Obama is doing exactly what he set out to do, destroy America. He is wildly successful. We are fully Balkanized now. Americans are no longer "Americans," but a mixture of hyphenates who believe that they are owed a living from the other hyphenates.

American society has been destroyed and will never recover. Yeah, I'm depressing, but I truly believe this.

Posted by: Null at November 21, 2014 04:14 PM (P7hip)

109 Fine. Say the Ds are discredited. So the country turns to the GOP, and then the public realizes that the GOP sucks just as bad. So they go back to the Ds.

Pendulum swing.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 04:14 PM (MMC8r)

110 Don't panic. This is a test. Nothing will happen to your nice, comfortable little life

As far as you know...

Posted by: Theresa to the D at November 21, 2014 04:14 PM (Ez5Cr)

111 I also remember how so many were convinced that this election was going to be a triumph for the Democrats. If the country is permanently gone and elections are no longer legitimate, explain this Election Day. Has it ever occurred to some of you that the Left is so smug and arrogant because they are overconfident and not because they have silently overthrown the US government from within using a silent ancient conspiracy? At least in the sense that we on the Right can no longer win elections.

Posted by: Captain_Cookie at November 21, 2014 04:15 PM (qJPSp)

112 Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:11 PM (oKE6c)

Thanks. What you said is why I keep slogging back here every day. You guys provide a lot of moral support. Where I live, we on the Right are a definite minority.

Posted by: kraken at November 21, 2014 04:16 PM (5+mPY)

113 Yes, his policies are failing. But the reason we're still down is because NOBODY IS STOPPING HIM.

And no one seems to have the balls to do so.

What good does knowing we're right do us when people can't afford Obama's "affordable health care"? (I know my family can't afford the $1100/mo premiums for two healthy, middle-aged non-smokers.)

The reason we're down is because, regardless of our prescience, this country is still headed downward at an ever-increasing rate. Unless we ACT to stop that... well, you fill in the blanks.

Posted by: elaine at November 21, 2014 04:16 PM (Y0Piu)

114 Obama has about a month and a half before he finds life changed significantly with new congress not funding him.


right.

right???

RIGHT???

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 21, 2014 04:16 PM (Gysa/)

115 The reason we're down is because he's fundamentally transforming the nation as promised, and we know it. It doesn't matter any more what the majority of Americans think on this or that issue. The point of the Imperial Amnesty Edict is to increase the Democrats' demographic edge in presidential elections. Let's face it, 2012 was proof that we had already passed some kind of tipping point. Obama had nothing to recommend him. The fact that Hillary is regarded as the front runner in 2016 is absolutely soul-crushing.

Posted by: Nice Deb at November 21, 2014 04:16 PM (23log)

116 I believe, I believe It's silly, but I believe *stares pensively out car window*
Posted by: ginaswo now Natalie Wood in Miracle on 34th Street at November 21, 2014 04:10 PM (+X1qa)


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I'm finding myself laughing my ass off at this.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 04:16 PM (jkeQO)

117 American society has been destroyed and will never recover. Yeah, I'm depressing, but I truly believe this.

Me, too.

The Kenyan wanted nothing more than to fulfill the Leftist dream of the destruction of America.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 04:16 PM (MMC8r)

118 If only it were so.... The only reason that that the democratic party and Obama are taking such a seemingly irrational position is that they KNOW they will win in the end........Is there any reason for Dick Durbin and his other butt buddies to be excited about a suborning of their power unless they are certain that Dems will emerge triumphant? However long it takes, be it 5, 10, 15 years down the road.... This all started in the '60's with Ted Kennedy's push to open up the southern border. The end justifies the means and time is not a factor. Ask Lenin....

Posted by: thechicagoway at November 21, 2014 04:17 PM (pHdhL)

119
It's happening, and there's not one g--damn thing anyone can do about it. The math of presidential elections still overwhelmingly favors the Democrats, and not one person is in jail.We are down with good reason.

so then run to the rear as fast as you can and find a safe place to hide and pray people with a spine will do the heavy lifting that will need to be done to turn this country around.

Posted by: kj at November 21, 2014 04:17 PM (lKyWE)

120 Also, I'm no fancy city lawyer, but if Obama's saying one house of congress not voting on a bill passed by the other house makes him able to enforce it*, then what does that mean about all the obamacare repeals that Reid did not vote on, among other things.

* as if his amnesty is part of gang of 8 bill.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 21, 2014 04:17 PM (Gysa/)

121 We are down because we know deep down that the GOP will do nothing to turn around these policies, punish Obama, or to shrink the size of government.


They will pass "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", and some fixes to Obamacare. And then say we can't do anything until you vote for Jeb!!!!!


Posted by: pam at November 21, 2014 04:17 PM (cgrL5)

122 This immigration program will be a flop.

Who the fuck is going to sign up with their names/addresses and admit to working illegally and admit to identity theft knowing the courts could un-do the whole thing? Or the next president could un-do?

No one will sign up for this stupid shit.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2014 04:17 PM (4+IgA)

123 I'll live my life as a "Happy Warrior", but I won't be optimistic until I see a Reagan Clone running, selling and winning.

It is either that or S.M.O.D.

...perhaps Jesus Christ Himself flipping tables would put a permanent smile on my face.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) at November 21, 2014 04:17 PM (16bOT)

124 I completely agree with Ace's analysis. da Zero's target was America, but his dumbass bomb in landing smack in the middle if leftardism.

Posted by: maddogg at November 21, 2014 04:17 PM (xWW96)

125 Ace, I think we're down because we know in our heart of hearts, that no matter what victory politically we achieve, and what combination of leadership we put forth, defeat of our ideas is a forgone conclusion because we won't really fight for them.

We stage a filibuster to show were super serious you guys, and then we roll over and play dead.

What is to be amped up about?

We hear how broken our party is, but it's false, we are the big tent party, or at least we should be. The democrats are so fractionalized with their special interests, and they are only holding any semblance of power because they own all the urban areas. Out side of cities they are a rotting corpse.

yet we lose politically over and over again. we'll get the ACA struck down this time around in the SCOTUS and we'll still lose, we'll fail into single payer or something as an alternative.

What can we do, when our leadership has no credibility and refuses to make the hard choice.

Why do we have to use weasel language to call the president a liar? The post this morning that is getting linked around about not inviting Obama to do the state of the union? It will never happen, they don't have the balls to do it, because their afraid that Chris Matthews is going to accuse them of not respecting the office....well goddammit the president does not respect his own office or oath, what courtesy do we as a party owe him?

This is a damned blood sport start acting like it.

Thats why were down!

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 21, 2014 04:17 PM (n/ogz)

126 Agreed. This has been a golden age for conservative media.


Conservative media have been completely ineffective in stopping or even slowing the leftward march of the culture.

They have, though, sold a gigaton of gold and three trillion doses of baldness remedy.

Posted by: despair at November 21, 2014 04:18 PM (dcY7v)

127 The fact that Hillary is regarded as the front runner in 2016 is absolutely soul-crushing.
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Toss in that the "front runners" amongst the Smart Set are Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney and you have me looking for razor blades and a nice warm bath.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 04:18 PM (9BRsg)

128 You know who really discredited Nazism? Hitler.

Kind of a high price to pay though...

Posted by: Taco Shack at November 21, 2014 04:18 PM (C+qQ0)

129 Obama has about a month and a half before he finds life changed significantly with new congress not funding him.
right.right???
RIGHT???

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 21, 2014 04:16 PM


Ve vill haff oah WONDER WEAPONS then! You cannot conceive of the terror zey vill inspire in zuh enemee!

Und ve vill haff STEINER!

Steiner....? You there?

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 04:18 PM (PoKIA)

130 @105

yep, and it won't be pretty

Posted by: brak at November 21, 2014 04:18 PM (Tj+s6)

131 a question: I beg forgiveness for my ignorance but I skipped school a lot as a kid.

Can states form economic zones/associations with other states for more favorable conditions or does the Fed's commerce clause fuck it all up?

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 21, 2014 04:19 PM (brSYJ)

132 I completely agree with Ace's analysis. da Zero's target was America, but his dumbass bomb in landing smack in the middle if leftardism.
Posted by: maddogg at November 21, 2014 04:17 PM (xWW96)


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So did Wilson.... 100 years ago.

Yet... still.... here we are.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 04:19 PM (NaV4z)

133 Probably Obama's greatest strength right now is our circle fire.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 21, 2014 04:19 PM (RJMhd)

134 The math of presidential elections still overwhelmingly favors the Democrats

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I'm not sure I completely agree, but so what? The GOP had the Presidency for a long time, yet the country still moved left. As Madison said, the political power of this country resides in Congress. And Congress has moved to the right. We aren't there yet, but we need Congress to reassert itself. To use the power of the purse, to rid itself of the delegation doctrine. With each election, we get more Congressmen on the right willing to make that happen.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:20 PM (gmeXX)

135 If the country is permanently gone and elections are no longer legitimate, explain this Election Day.

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Because despite it all, McConnell and Boehner were racing to a microphone to surrender preemptively to Obama the day after the results were known.

So no, elections don't matter all that much if they keep putting the same milquetoast "opposition" leaders in place. And that's just what happened.

For the past six years McConnell bitched and moaned that he couldn't do anything without a majority. Well, he got his majority and he can't even be bothered to react strongly to Obama's power grab last night.

Faith in the GOP is misplaced.

Posted by: @JohnTant at November 21, 2014 04:20 PM (gaCp8)

136 King Anti-Midas is surrounded by a couple of real cuties in Nancy DeLousey and the Predator. Between the three of them anyone can find good motivation for never voting for another Democrat ever again. If only we could lose Boehner and McConnell, I'd feel very good about the future.

Posted by: MTF at November 21, 2014 04:20 PM (6um35)

137 So impeach a couple of Gruber Tard Judges and make Super Creepy a believer. Hold a confirmation hearing on Lynch and then tell the country no way we consent to an out and out ubangie racist. Then happy will start to rise in the nation. Hell, find someone who says she put a pubic hair on their Coke. Then real happiness. This lying, scumball con has been going on too long.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 04:21 PM (oDCMR)

138 soooo you're saying I should be happy about TFG? Uh yea, no.

Posted by: Talibill at November 21, 2014 04:21 PM (in9qW)

139 >>Probably Obama's greatest strength right now is our circle fire.

And the constant drumbeat from the msm that the Republicans are hopelessly addicted to infighting.

Funny, you don't see that many articles about lefties fighting each other.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 04:21 PM (g1DWB)

140 I also remember how so many were convinced that this election was going to be a triumph for the Democrats. Posted by: Captain_Cookie


Who? I don't recall that at all. Glad for you optimism, but you are seemingly out of phase with reality.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 04:21 PM (1vYi0)

141 "Conservative media have been completely ineffective in stopping or even slowing the leftward march of the culture.

They have, though, sold a gigaton of gold and three trillion doses of baldness remedy.
Posted by: despair at November 21, 2014 04:18 PM (dcY7v)"

Oh boy are you right about this... they have sold millions of books to their customers, over and over again... but it doesn't move the needle.

I switch off these guys when they start ranting and raving about something sometimes, who are you trying to convince? the 8 million listeners who agree we need an Article V convention? what good does that do, you sold us already the first 8000 times. How do we impact the rest of the population. This is why I miss Andrew Breitbart. I think he understood this.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 21, 2014 04:21 PM (n/ogz)

142 I am tired of one minute being excited because of what happened last election, the next minute seeing our incompetent preening president rip up the constitution, the next minute telling myself everything's going to be OK, because the GOP will...oh, hell, where did I put those cyanide pills?

Posted by: Theresa to the D at November 21, 2014 04:21 PM (Ez5Cr)

143 I'm down because I don't have any confidence in the so-called leaders who claim to be on our side. Sadly, I think there are quite a few of them who agree with what he's doing but don't like the way he's doing it.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 21, 2014 04:21 PM (Qg+ee)

144
Can states form economic zones/associations with other states for more favorable conditions or does the Fed's commerce clause fuck it all up?

Like what? The commerce clause already rules out interstate tariffs.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 04:22 PM (JtwS4)

145 Costanza, there's something off in those racial crime statistics. They have whites at 77% of the population. No way. More like 63%. I think they are lumping in Hispanics as "white". The FBI is known to do that when Hispanics are the perpetrators, but consider them Hispanic or non-white when they are victims. The order of magnitude is correct but the details are not.

Posted by: despair at November 21, 2014 04:22 PM (dcY7v)

146 Probably Obama's greatest strength right now is our circle fire.

His greatest strength is that Boehner and McConnell don't really want to oppose him.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 21, 2014 04:22 PM (GrgPg)

147 defeat of our ideas is a forgone conclusion because we won't really fight for them

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This isn't always true. See gun control, see abortion.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:22 PM (gmeXX)

148 Who the fuck is going to sign up with their names/addresses and admit to working illegally?
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Huh? They are marching in public and giving interviews to CNN and FoxNews. Proudly. Openly. Using their full names.

America doesn't deport people anymore and hasn't for many years. Nobody actually "lives in the shadows" anymore.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 04:22 PM (ZPrif)

149 If you wanna see me happy start showing 6pm news coverage of those f'n dims taking a perp walk. That would make daddy happy. real. happy.

Posted by: Talibill at November 21, 2014 04:22 PM (in9qW)

150 As others have already said: we're down because even if the vast majority of Americans see how much the democrats and media have screwed them, none of us will get any relief from the GOPe.

Again, ain't nobody gonna do nothin' to fix the suck here.

Posted by: elaine at November 21, 2014 04:23 PM (Y0Piu)

151 And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.

I'd like to buy that. But I feel like the media is the weaselly sidekick to the bad guy. And when a badder bad guy bumps off the bad guy, the weasel weasels, and still has his job.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 21, 2014 04:23 PM (sH832)

152 Most of us are down. But why?

Because of the lawlessness.

Posted by: m at November 21, 2014 04:23 PM (G891H)

153 You know what else is down? My .223 at the range today. Corrected the problem.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 21, 2014 04:23 PM (XzRw1)

154 What's got me down today?

Ace of Spades podcast still isn't available on iTunes.

Posted by: gwelf at November 21, 2014 04:23 PM (nyxv/)

155 I am down given the general contempt for constitutional order that now exists in so many ways. It doesn't orginate just with the executive branch, by the way. Having said that, when the rhetoric spilling from the White House matches something Hugo Chavez would say, we are in trouble.

I do take some comfort from the verifiable fact that every single aspect of the TFG, Obamacare, the Crapulus, and every other thing that our betters instructed us on turned out to be EXACTLY as we said.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 21, 2014 04:23 PM (659DL)

156
It's the ratchet effect. Tiny increments leftward, and all we've been able to do is keep it from turning. The only time we've come close to turning it back was with welfare reform in the 1990's.
Obama has turned the ratched WAY hard Left.
I'm at the point with all this that i'd rather break the nation up and start over. Leave the liberal elites and their uneducated minority muscle to their own cesspool.

Posted by: Sam In VA at November 21, 2014 04:23 PM (Q52VH)

157 #128 Posted by: Taco Shack


Outstanding point.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 04:23 PM (1vYi0)

158 Hell Political Hat was called a troll yesterday--uh huh.

He's the problem.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 21, 2014 04:13 PM (RJMhd)


*does Bill Clinton impression*

I've bween a bad wittle Hat...

Posted by: Bad wittle Hat at November 21, 2014 04:24 PM (lN8KC)

159 True -- teasing out non-hispanic white and white from the crime stats is hard. So the black-white disparity #s are a floor, not a ceiling.

Holder purposefully fudged and fogged a bunch of the FBI crime stats after he took over in 2009 to make racial and ethnic comparisons harder.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 04:24 PM (ZPrif)

160 I think we're down because we're afraid that the Democrat-Media Death Star will be able to continue to sell the LIVs on free shit without consequence even as Obama fails. That is, they'll blame it on Obama and sell the public on Hilldog, so not enough people will see that the failures of Obamaism are actually failures endemic to the Progressive Movement.

That's my take, at least.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at November 21, 2014 04:24 PM (4/i9Y)

161 >>>American society has been destroyed and will never recover.

Well, I don't go that far. I think you're right on the balkanization and it might lead to a break up of sorts.

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 04:24 PM (3ZtZW)

162 Lyndon Johnson failed and Jimmy Carter failed. Yet the ratchet to the Left never turned back, no entitlements were rolled back, the mass media and the academy were utterly conquered by the Long March of the Left.

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Worse yet, prior to carter's do gooderism there were no Islamic terrorists countries. For decades we held it to just Iran, but never rolled Iran back to sanity, and now Obama has created many. Next week he will sell out Israel and us and we will have nuclear nutcase Iran and that will never be rolled back. And how are we going to roll back the deaths of all those killed in the Obama wars that his fecklessness is encouraging if not causing. And how will we roll back our reputation from lying, untrustworthy useless ally to superpower.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 04:24 PM (XUKZU)

163 "134 The math of presidential elections still overwhelmingly favors the Democrats

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I'm not sure I completely agree, but so what? The GOP had the Presidency for a long time, yet the country still moved left. As Madison said, the political power of this country resides in Congress. And Congress has moved to the right. We aren't there yet, but we need Congress to reassert itself. To use the power of the purse, to rid itself of the delegation doctrine. With each election, we get more Congressmen on the right willing to make that happen.
Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:20 PM (gmeXX)"

I also agree I saw an analysis that DailyKos has posted from some GOP analyist. They are forgetting some key things. We will never see this Obama Coalition again in any nearterm election, they will not come out for Webb, biden, Kerry, Clinton the same way. Clintons may have some mojo, but I don't think at the end of the day she is going to run.

Second thing is our week sauce candidates the last two cycles, we had two people with zero will to fight obama, and the Romney had zero credibility on the single biggest thing we were running on, the ACA.

These two items skew any prognostication of the GOP never being viable nationally.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 21, 2014 04:24 PM (n/ogz)

164 I see no reason to be happy today & I am pissed off that GOPe has known about this for months & didn't do anything!

Has Mitch said anything today.?
Boehner held brief press conference today.

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 04:24 PM (sj3Ax)

165 112 Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:11 PM (oKE6c)
Thanks. What you said is why I keep slogging back here every day. You guys provide a lot of moral support. Where I live, we on the Right are a definite minority.
Posted by: kraken at November 21, 2014 04:16 PM (5+mPY)



No problem. Hey, I live in CA, which I've seen degenerate from a prosperous, happy, world-beating conservative state to the leftist-infested train wreck that it is today. But after years of observation in Berkeley I understand quite well how the Reds operate. Seriously, next time you see some Commie flyer, investigate who exactly is behind the "Working Mothers for Peace, Justice and Equality," the "Coalition Against Racism and War," "Albino Zoroastrians for Social Justice," and all the other signatories who endorse the flyer. You'll find it's the same people, playing different roles. It's how Reds garner so many awards and honors; Whitaker Chambers told us: they spread Reds out between organizations, and then orchestrate awards for each other to enhance their prestige and credibility to the gullible.

Homework assignment: look up the "New Press" (anything with "new" in its name is even money to be a Red front). Note how many of their authors are listed as "award-winning." Then track down who gave them the awards. Prepare for the scales to drop from your eyes.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:24 PM (oKE6c)

166 His greatest strength is that Boehner and McConnell don't really want to oppose him.

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That is likely true, but they are leading a caucus that is decidedly more conservative than the one that existed the last time the GOP held both houses of Congress.

Its not perfect, but this is a long game. We are making strides.

And I like our odds in 2016 much better than the Dems.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:25 PM (gmeXX)

167 143 I'm down because I don't have any confidence in the so-called leaders who claim to be on our side. Sadly, I think there are quite a few of them who agree with what he's doing but don't like the way he's doing it.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 21, 2014 04:21 PM (Qg+ee)

*****

Riiiight.


Obama just did the reveal late last night and you are pretty sure right now that Republicans are the problem.


Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 21, 2014 04:25 PM (RJMhd)

168 This is what Reagan ran on against Carter when his
policies threw the country into a "malaise". Our next candidate will
have the same opportunity.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 04:00 PM


With friends like the GOPe, don't count on a Reaganesque firebrand to ever make it through the primary season. The GOPe has made it clear that they see the Tea Party as more of an existential threat than the democrats or ISIS.

Posted by: elaine at November 21, 2014 04:25 PM (Y0Piu)

169 Cause the Pentagon and the Army have been lying.

Brad Thor @BradThor 2m
Army Refuses to Release Findings of #BoweBergdahl Investigation http://bit.ly/1qfoy2s via @BreitbartNews

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 04:25 PM (ZPrif)

170 Remember he said we can't just eat what we want and keep our house at a temperature we like.He was gojng to end all that.End the wealth and power of America.

Posted by: steevy at November 21, 2014 04:26 PM (v5UtH)

171 The opposition only lacks one thing.

Opposition.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 04:26 PM (MMC8r)

172
I keep seeing confusion about Oblahblah's illegal action, the main point really wasn't for the ones currently here, it was to encourage millions of others to come, even though it was sold as for the ones here.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 04:26 PM (1nB6R)

173 Some people are wired to be pessimistic. Actually the better it gets the more worried they get that the other shoe will drop.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 04:26 PM (o0mD3)

174 >>With friends like the GOPe, don't count on a Reaganesque firebrand to ever make it through the primary season. The GOPe has made it clear that they see the Tea Party as more of an existential threat than the democrats or ISIS.

The establishment didn't want Reagan either.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 04:27 PM (g1DWB)

175 Hey:

As long as we're breaking up the budgetary process and making Bamster sign em individually so's we can sneak up a no-funding thing on Immigration, can we also just not fund the War on Drugs?

I'm sure people can add to the list but I wanna start there.

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 04:27 PM (3ZtZW)

176 or does the Fed's commerce clause fuck it all up?.

If the Constitution is null and void, the commerce clause would be as well.

But increasingly it's looking like a suicide pact.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 21, 2014 04:27 PM (ZKzrr)

177 #ThanksMichelleObama has been trending on twitter all day.

The ACLU would be suing for mistreatment if this was prison food.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 04:27 PM (ZPrif)

178 "
This isn't always true. See gun control, see abortion.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:22 PM (gmeXX)"

We're holding the line on these at best, we're a Thomas/Scalia retirement illness away from the Abortion progress being reversed, and the timing of the recent shootings just happened to work out with a GOP house, otherwise we'd have probably reauthorized the AWB, and some other horrible things. Lost a lot of ground in a few states. Held the line in others.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 21, 2014 04:27 PM (n/ogz)

179 You know what else they are lying about?Ebola,my guess is there are more cases and they are keeping it from us "out of an abundance of caution" to prevent panic.

Posted by: steevy at November 21, 2014 04:27 PM (v5UtH)

180 The Obama Justice department has the raw power and the media backing to ensure that every single amnestied illegal votes as many times as is necessary.

Posted by: Shalom Beck at November 21, 2014 04:28 PM (fQj2F)

181
The establishment didn't want Reagan either.


Instead, Ford got slightly more votes than he got the first time.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 04:28 PM (MMC8r)

182 You know who really discredited Nazism? Hitler. Kind of a high price to pay though...
Posted by: Taco Shack at November 21, 2014 04:18 PM (C+qQ0)


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I know only a little history, but from what I know, any nation extricating itself from tyranny is going to feel a lot of pain before it happens.

And it's not discriminatory. The bad and the good people all will suffer.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 04:28 PM (jkeQO)

183 I am optimistic about it being Friday and me being a half hour removed from Bourbon.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 04:28 PM (JtwS4)

184 But, Ace, he ***IS*** succeeding. I am originally from California. I have followed the immigration debate closely since 1986, when I honestly thought the bill would really help illegal immigration. I now live in Virginia. California went from a great state to a third world hell hole. One out of every two kids in the state now has a parent born in a foreign country. And NO, they are NOT "natural conservatives." They believe in big government, and no one has bothered to assimilate them into American culture. The parents are usually hard working, at least, if liberal, but the kids are ghetto trash. Look at how dark blue California is. That's what immigration will eventually do to the entire US.

Why do you think North Carolina is so difficult for us now? 8.7% jump in Hispanics in the last 12 years. Virginia? 8.4% Colorado? 21%

You are going to have millions and millions of them voting. They are directly competing with folks without a high school education, and decimating wages.

Which makes our native folks dependent on government, because they can't support themselves without help. Those folks know they are being hosed, and are right of center, but they'll take the "disabled" social security or unemployment or whatever benefits they can since they have to eat.

I could literally write hundreds of pages about how bad the effects are, starting with how illegals distort congressional districts in reapportionment even if the DON'T vote. And don't get me started about how much this will increase government spending.

I don't see the public waking up fast enough to stop the slide. By the time the LIV wakes up, it's going to be way too late.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (hslAc)

185 We're holding the line on these at best, we're a Thomas/Scalia retirement illness away from the Abortion progress being reversed, and the timing of the recent shootings just happened to work out with a GOP house, otherwise we'd have probably reauthorized the AWB, and some other horrible things. Lost a lot of ground in a few states. Held the line in others.

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We aren't holding the line on gun control - we destroyed them.

On abortion - we are on the advance. Technology will doom the Democrats on this.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (gmeXX)

186 The ACLU would be suing for mistreatment if this was prison food.

I'm kind of OK with the free lunches being a slice of Nutraloaf and a half-pint of non-chocolate milk.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (ZKzrr)

187 OT but the Noonan column in the sidebar - I hope that in every WSJ column she writes that is critical of HER guy, someone in the comments reminds her of the fact that she sang his praises in 2008. I wouldn't listen to her give a weather report after that. Her of all people should not have been fooled by the charlatan in chief. And yet.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (lAnlM)

188 You know what else they are lying about?Ebola,my guess is there are more
cases and they are keeping it from us "out of an abundance of caution"
to prevent panic.


Shhh.
You're going to bring out the conspiracy nutter who thinks there's no such thing and has a web site to sell you proof.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (sH832)

189 Until Obama is completely and udderly hamstrung this country is in danger. I don't see anyone in congressional leadership with the balls or backbone to do the job.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (sgrzZ)




I'm with you, man.

But...I don't see how tying up Obama's moobs is gonna help anything.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (0cMkb)

190 Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 21, 2014 04:27 PM (n/ogz)

Prime example.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (o0mD3)

191 I think the other thing that drives me nuts is the notion that "Obama's policies are failing" has no real-life consequences, only political ones.

That's not true.

The middle class and working class is taking a beating. It might not survive. And I see no evidence that the GOP is going to do anything about that.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (9BRsg)

192 California Prop 8, Gay marriage, Prop 187......were a waste since Republicans failed to turn up the heat and make Dems pay for their harassment, and invasion of privacy of those who funded these Props. Who will ever rise up again? The GOP NEVER protects their own.

Remember Prop 187? Right after it passed, REPUBLICANS Bill Bennett and Jack Kemp flew into CA to lecture those who voted for it....calling them racists.


When the citizens vote for something that embarrasses Republicans, they join Dems to slam their own base.


Posted by: pam at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (cgrL5)

193 Because he is not going down hard or fast enough. 52% think he is totes ok. Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 03:58 PM (zESFM)
Because most people are not nearly as interested in politics as we are - not interested enough to seek out information from other sources besides the usual media liars. Americans have never been that interested in politics. They'd rather think about sports, sex, trivial entertainment figures, church, going out to dinner, or whatever is going on in their personal lives. And that's OK, if you have a small government. However, the government has become so big and intrusive they can't ignore it anymore. And the more they pay attention, the more they don't like what they see.

That is, the white middle class. The people who are expected to pay for the FSA. The FSA will always want FS.

Posted by: Donna and V. at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (u0lmX)

194 What else can I do?

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 21, 2014 04:03 PM (brSYJ)

Rope, lamp post, tribute, assembly.

Posted by: X at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (sDapq)

195 What the fuck were people smoking in the early 2000s?

Only 31% thought health care should be taken care of by individuals?

Head shaking.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (0LHZx)

196 We should not be so down.

We do not like what this monster is doing to America, of course.

But he is not succeeding. He is failing, and failing hard.

And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.


Exactly.

I've been high as a kite today, all day, since I woke up. Even knowing what I know.

There is also the fact that the left is so damn incompetent, and will continue to burn people via obamacare (and the immigration farce will bubble up its lies and hideous undergrowth soon enough).

I predict obamacare personal info will eventually be hacked and put out publicly.

Not only do they think they are superior, they are superior incompetents.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (IXrOn)

197 Romney had zero credibility on the single biggest thing we were running on, the ACA.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand

In general, I like your analysis except for the line above. Who had less credibility on ACA, Obama or Romney? I still don't know why people didn't vote for him, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't it.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (1vYi0)

198 I don't want the media "brought down" with Obama. I want the media to be smashed, their buildings burned, and see their names become synonymous with the worst villany. I want them paraded naked through the streets in leg irons during a blizzard, and then burned at the stake. And I want to hear the lamentations of their women and girlie-men.

For the children! MY children - I don't want them polluting the gene-pool with theirs!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (2DD2m)

199 161 >>>American society has been destroyed and will never recover.
Well, I don't go that far. I think you're right on the balkanization and it might lead to a break up of sorts.
Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 04:24 PM (3ZtZW)



To apply the principle I cited earlier today, let's assume that at some future date we are ascendant and have rolled back the Commie crap. Now work backwards: how did that happen? What led to it?

I'll start: after years of banging that chicken, LIVs realize the Left has failed to deliver the goods to the idiots who actually thought they meant well. Blacks realize they've been had, sold out for the Hispanics. Women realize that they've been sold a bill of goods, and that government health care isn't everything they've been told. Legal immigrants (especially Hispanic) realize that they've been hosed by the admission of the illegals. And all groups start to figure out that the media are totally corrupt and complicit.

Hard to imagine right now, isn't it? But 40 years ago, it would have been hard to imagine we'd be in this fix today, too.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (oKE6c)

200 Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (hslAc)

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How do you explain the difference between CA an TX?

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (gmeXX)

201 "And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls."

Not if he brings in 5 million new Democrats and their extended families. Vaya Norte!

Posted by: Juan Valdez, Fruit Picker Extraordinaire at November 21, 2014 04:30 PM (HBAcW)

202
Most of us are down. But why?
........................................
I live in CA. Great state ruined by liberal politics. A friend has been trying to get me to go to New Zealand, but family...

Posted by: wth at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (wAQA5)

203 On abortion - we are on the advance. Technology will doom the Democrats on this.
Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (gmeXX)

____________

I don't want to get into an abortion debate. But out of curiosity how is technology going to doom Dems on abortion?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (0LHZx)

204 I'm down because this motherfucking motherfucker finally caused me to break my personal embargo on saying/writing/thinking the word "Fuck"

Fuck him.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (PZ6/M)

205 so my point in asking about states acting like small countries and cutting good deals with other like minded state governments, can it be done? Wouldn't that have a big impact on isolating the urban centers? my state grows corn, I make it more favorable to other states that have what my state needs, etc. I know thats a big-hand wave, OV-1 simplistic view but does that concept have any viability?

Posted by: fastfreefall at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (brSYJ)

206 >>>>Probably Obama's greatest strength right now is our circle fire.

Stop it. There is no circle fire. There is a lot of realist appraisal of chances for success.

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (3ZtZW)

207 There will be 22 people at the in-laws' for Thanksgiving, all of them leftists. God help/smite me.

Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (9ATG5)

208 So now old mojados are now New Americans?

Posted by: TexasJew at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (/B6Iw)

209 Why am I down?

We have a clown in the White House who is doing everything he can to destroy traditional America and its values, and we do not appear to have anyone who has clearly and persuasively articulated an opposing position, much less gotten the public to buy into an alternative.

We have a media that, while clearly dying, still manages to carry the water for these traitors.

We have an educational system that molds our kids into little progressive robots that worship the almighty state.

And I am so damned tired of it.

And for the first time in my long life, I seriously worry about the future of my kids and the country they are inheriting. I worry that not just the economy, but our freedom, is being crushed for the foreseeable future.

So yeah, I'm down. I can only hope to God that it's just pessimism...

Posted by: Cappy Dick at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM (wtvvX)

210 I'm coming around to Ace's way of thinking on the immigration order. Everything the guy touches ends up sucking shit for him and his party, why won't this as well? the key is to beat it back as best they can and tie everyone in their party to the disasters he's made.

Posted by: FDR's Television at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM (ne2fm)

211 Next you'll tell me people aren't believing the lefty global warming crap, either!

Posted by: Everybody in Buffalo, New York at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM (DLu2s)

212 "We aren't holding the line on gun control - we destroyed them.

On abortion - we are on the advance. Technology will doom the Democrats on this.
Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (gmeXX)

I don't agree on gun control, we lost big time in the north east, those laws will never be repealed. And in NJ with Christie thinking of a run for the WH it's the only reason our laws weren't made worse.

Stopping new laws on the national level is holding the line, Obama still issued executive orders. We're one congressional majority and a mass shooting away from major problems.

At the state level we got crushed.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM (n/ogz)

213 With friends like the GOPe, don't count on a Reaganesque firebrand to ever make it through the primary season. The GOPe has made it clear that they see the Tea Party as more of an existential threat than the democrats or ISIS.
Posted by: elaine at November 21, 2014 04:25 PM (Y0Piu)


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You're forgetting. That's how the GOPe viewed Reagan too.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM (jkeQO)

214 187 OT but the Noonan column in the sidebar - I hope that in every WSJ column she writes that is critical of HER guy, someone in the comments reminds her of the fact that she sang his praises in 2008. I wouldn't listen to her give a weather report after that. Her of all people should not have been fooled by the charlatan in chief. And yet.
Posted by: tdpwells at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (lAnlM)



Agreed. She definitely should be the recipient of tar and feathers. And she holds herself out now as some sort of pundit. F her.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM (oKE6c)

215 Theresa!!

Posted by: TexasJew at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM (/B6Iw)

216
So, Obama has saved our village by burning it?



Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (wZ3EP)

217 I think a lot of "journalists" actually think they are being objective. Calling a conservative a dumb toothless hick is in their mind no different than saying the grass is green. It's just something that is universally known and not up for debate.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (0LHZx)

218 OT but the Noonan column in the sidebar - I hope that in every WSJ column she writes that is critical of HER guy, someone in the comments reminds her of the fact that she sang his praises in 2008. I wouldn't listen to her give a weather report after that. Her of all people should not have been fooled by the charlatan in chief. And yet.

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I have in general defended Noonan as being an asset for our side despite her tepid support and/or complete misjudgment of Obama. Until I read that column, I have been of the opinion that she doesn't need to apologize. But I've changed my tune. I would like for her to right a column where she says she completely misjudged the character of the man and apologize to her readers for that misjudgment.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (gmeXX)

219 DON'T BRING ME DOWN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RJPaj97H24

Posted by: ELO at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (Qo2Jt)

220 Elaine, unfortunately, right! ISIS is not GOPe enemy its biggest enemy is The Conservative Base & Tea Party!

Ted Cruz is the only one that can save The U.S.
I believe that he can do it!

Newst should be an Officer at RNC HQ, to shut reporters up. Screw Iowa & NH picking our candidates. Red States should pick R candidates & I don't care if Iowa & NH go first for Demoncrats.

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (sj3Ax)

221 Agreed. She definitely should be the recipient of tar and feathers. And she holds herself out now as some sort of pundit. F her.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM (oKE6c)

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No way Jose..... Im outta here....

Posted by: Jay Guevara's Penis at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (NaV4z)

222 We should be down if Obama imposed a socialist health care system on the country and our countrymen enjoyed the tyranny.


Enjoy it? Who knows. Passively accept it? That is crystal clear. The passive acceptance is everywhere. The bell will not be un-rung.

Posted by: Great Big Banana Republic at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (dq4fo)

223 We aren't holding the line on gun control - we destroyed them.
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Not true. If SCOTUS reverses, which they could easily do with a one vote swing -- then the blue states and cities reverse the next day.

The recent blue state gun victories have been court-ordered.

And, statistically, we know there will be several high profile shootings every year. And every time the gun-grabbers will push new laws. Just as they did in NY.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 04:34 PM (ZPrif)

224 I wonder what Chris Buckley thinks of Baraka now?

Posted by: steevy at November 21, 2014 04:34 PM (v5UtH)

225 What's with this Pollyanna nonsense Ace is feeding us?

>>>>Ace: We should naturally be down if Obama were perverting the American constitutional system and profiting from it.

Not profiting from it? Holder, Lois Lerner, Baracken, Gal Gore, Gruber . . . . all profiting from their "public service." Them and every employee in the higher escholons of govt work are set up for life with all of us footing the bill. That's a good reason to be down. Alot of us still have to work for a better life.


Posted by: L, elle at November 21, 2014 04:34 PM (2x3L+)

226 " But out of curiosity how is technology going to doom Dems on abortion?"

Because a 3D ultrasound in the first trimester shows the baby smiling.

Abortion relies upon scientific ignorance. There's a reason why Slayer wrote Silent Scream.

Posted by: Lauren Hulk at November 21, 2014 04:34 PM (BPMYx)

227 There will be 22 people at the in-laws' for Thanksgiving, all of them leftists. God help/smite me.
Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (9ATG5)


yikes!

A fine time to not talk politics.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2014 04:34 PM (IXrOn)

228 At the state level we got crushed.

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Your living in the wrong state. Give it a few more years. Most of those state laws will be rendered unconstitutional.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:34 PM (gmeXX)

229 I have in general defended Noonan as being an asset
for our side despite her tepid support and/or complete misjudgment of
Obama. Until I read that column, I have been of the opinion that she
doesn't need to apologize. But I've changed my tune. I would like for
her to right a column where she says she completely misjudged the
character of the man and apologize to her readers for that misjudgment.


Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (gmeXX)


Nothing says "I'm sorry" quite like seppuku.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:35 PM (oKE6c)

230 207 There will be 22 people at the in-laws' for Thanksgiving, all of them leftists. God help/smite me.
Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (9ATG5)


Sounds like a target rich environment with no worries of friendly fire....weapons free.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 21, 2014 04:35 PM (o2Jt2)

231
i live in california and there are a lot of liberals here who are starting to question being liberal.mostly the ones trying but failing to maintain the "californialifestyle" which is just becoming harder and harder to do

Posted by: kj at November 21, 2014 04:35 PM (lKyWE)

232 I wouldn't listen to her give a weather report after that. Her of all people should not have been fooled by the charlatan in chief. And yet.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 21, 2014 04:29 PM (lAnlM)


I wouldn't be too hard on her. She may have been duped by Chocolate Messiah but she was right about Juan McLame.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (HBAcW)

233 In blue states we've been winning the gun control battle same way the left has won the gay marriage battle in red states -- through the courts.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (ZPrif)

234 #215-Hi, TJ! What's doin'?

Posted by: Theresa to the D at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (Ez5Cr)

235 A fine time to not talk politics leave the stuffing out overnight and then stuff the bird with it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2014 04:34 PM (IXrOn)

FIFY



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (Zu3d9)

236 There will be 22 people at the in-laws' for Thanksgiving, all of them leftists. God help/smite me.

Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (9ATG5)



Don't go. Claim you've got Ebola or something. Seriously, if a social occasion is an ordeal, what's the point?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (oKE6c)

237 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

I had been wondering about you just the other day. Nice to see you are still around.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (1vYi0)

238 There will be 22 people at the in-laws' for Thanksgiving, all of them leftists. God help/smite me.
Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (9ATG5)

yikes!

A fine time to not talk politics.

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No - talk politics. My guess is they will want to avoid. Don't let them get away with that. Egg them on.

What fun are the holidays if you can't drink and make fun of your family for holding terrible views.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (gmeXX)

239 *ralllph*

*splatter*

Cartertharsis.

Posted by: Edgar Allan Schmoe at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (vjboM)

240 "228 At the state level we got crushed.

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Your living in the wrong state. Give it a few more years. Most of those state laws will be rendered unconstitutional.
Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:34 PM (gmeXX)"

Agree I am living in the wrong state, I think many of these laws will be upheld though. We keep losing here though on the court challenges.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (n/ogz)

241 I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. You will not live to see victory, nor your children. But their children may see the bloom of victory.

Posted by: Taco Shack at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (C+qQ0)

242 And I live in a Blue State.

Posted by: kraken at November 21, 2014 04:08 PM (5+mPY)

That's a large part of it that I have in common.

Posted by: X at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (sDapq)

243 Oh, and while we were all busy being outraged on the amnesty thing, Barky quietly released 5 more GITMO prisoners.

http://is.gd/07sWF0

Still think he isn't planning on destroying this country?

Gun control will be his next "Executive Order" - bank on it.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 21, 2014 04:37 PM (PZ6/M)

244 The rich can stop worrying about a middle-class revolution http://is.gd/5UKqPV

"The rich ought to chill out. While the masses may envy their wealth, there’s no evidence of a revolution brewing, or even a well-behaved civil disturbance. Americans are clearly dismayed at the direction the country seems to be heading, but they are also docile in the face of decline and confused about possible solutions. Hanauer fears mobs heading for the castles of Greenwich and Palo Alto, but America’s disaffected these days are more likely to vent their rage behind closed doors as they shake their fists at Fox News or MSNBC and leave cranky comments on websites such as this one. If there’s a populist threat to the plutocrats, it’s years or even decades away."

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 04:37 PM (rwI+c)

245 But out of curiosity how is technology going to doom Dems on abortion?

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Ultra sound.... high image resolution MRI

There are some VERY moving videos out there of aborted fetuses that Ive seen on Facebook. Not over done, thougfully filmed, heartstring tuggers. Basically done the same way the PETA folk do their heartugging schtick.

Hey... it works.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 04:37 PM (NaV4z)

246 But I've changed my tune. I would like for her to right a column where she says she completely misjudged the character of the man and apologize to her readers for that misjudgment.
Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (gmeXX)

And it should be titled 'I'm a fucking dumbass.'

Posted by: tdpwells at November 21, 2014 04:38 PM (lAnlM)

247 "No - talk politics. My guess is they will want to avoid. Don't let them get away with that. Egg them on.

What fun are the holidays if you can't drink and make fun of your family for holding terrible views.
Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (gmeXX)"

Here here, especially with booze involved. My poor mother, she gets so upset when ever anyone even raises an eyebrow for discussion. Sorry mom that's what families do!

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at November 21, 2014 04:38 PM (n/ogz)

248 No refund for you!

Posted by: H&R Block at November 21, 2014 04:38 PM (EofhJ)

249 231 i live in california and there are a lot of liberals here who are starting to question being liberal.mostly the ones trying but failing to maintain the "californialifestyle" which is just becoming harder and harder to do
Posted by: kj at November 21, 2014 04:35 PM (lKyWE)



I'm working on a few liberals, softly softly catchee monkee and all that, mostly raising questions rather than ranting, which I reserve for here. I think I'm making some yardage as the state circles the bowl at an accelerating pace.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:38 PM (oKE6c)

250

Still think he isn't planning on destroying this country?

Gun control will be his next "Executive Order" - bank on it.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at November 21, 2014 04:37 PM (PZ6/M)

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 04:38 PM (o0mD3)

251 SH, a huge chunk of Texas Hispanics are native Americans, they have been in the country forever. They aren't illegals/unAmericanized folks. The other big factor is Texas keeps welfare benefits very low, California keeps benefits really high.

This is a rant for another day, but we used to aggressively Americanize immigrants. Business sponsored English classes for workers, taught civics. If they tried that today I am sure they'd be sued. We pushed that this was a melting pot, and if you came here you "joined the club" and adopted our values. Now its a big insult to insist on that.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (hslAc)

252 I'd like to be optimistic as that's my default mode, but

this isn't a scheme to legalize 5 million only.

This is the camel's nose that will, well I don't know but I'm guessing once the 5 mil are allowed to prance around home-free,

that the Dims will file a lawsuit claiming some kind of unConstitutional discrimination to get the estimated 30 million illegals legalized.

And yes, at that point, its game over.

That's approximately 10% of the country changed overnight.




Posted by: naturalfake at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (0cMkb)

253 I'm down because I realize that while the GOPe may now control Congress and maybe the Executive in 2016, the leftist noose has ratcheted itself shut little by little for my whole lifetime. All the Republicans can do is ease the velocity of our demise at this point. They can't stop it and they don't want to. Why not? It's what your FSA neighbors stupidly want and what our new feudal lords slyly demand.

The only thing that changes this trajectory is lots and lots of spilled blood - and what comes out the other side of that is likely to not be a positive thing. We already used up all that good fortune and then some back in 1781 and 1865. We won't get a third chance for salvation.

Posted by: Jaws at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (FNDTW)

254 Here's what we do - we make the Dem party the party of bankrupt states - CA, IL, and NY. Then we slowly cook them with devolution of Federal programs back to the states (welfare) and increasing interest rates. While they are whining we broaden the income tax to encompass 80% of Americans while adopting a flat rate. By the time they can respond it will be over.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (oDCMR)

255 #227 #230
...and I live in Portland, OR. Think I'll only need one bullet.

Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (9ATG5)

256
There will be 22 people at the in-laws' for Thanksgiving, all of them leftists. God help/smite me.
Posted by: kiffen

yikes!

A fine time to not talk politics.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
............................
My brother and his "girlfriend" already have Hillary! bumper stickers.
Can I at least let the air out of their tires?

Posted by: wth at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (wAQA5)

257 And it should be titled 'I'm a fucking dumbass.'

Posted by: tdpwells at November 21, 2014 04:38 PM (lAnlM)


You left out the seppuku.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (oKE6c)

258 Fight. Resist. Evade. Escape if necessary

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (zOTsN)

259 That is, they'll blame it on Obama and sell the public on Hilldog, so not enough people will see that the failures of Obamaism are actually failures endemic to the Progressive Movement.
That's my take, at least.


I think you're on target. At some point in time, most likely in the coming year, the msm will be forced to wipe the gigantic mote from their eyes and take the first critical look at Obama -- but only as a story to enhance the probability of the next (D) failure to succeed.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (zxQ4h)

260
@249
doing the same thing myself

Posted by: kj at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (lKyWE)

261 People are down because the left in both government and media is only losing BY DEFAULT.

The Repubs are, therefore, winning only by default. Not by being particularly principled, persuasive, or successful.

So, there is not much confidence that they will amount to anything other than being slightly LESS worse than the Democrats.

Posted by: ThomasD at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (RU5CC)

262 Give it a few more years and voters will be wanting wifi to be a govt responsibility.

Posted by: brak at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (Tj+s6)

263 230 207 There will be 22 people at the in-laws' for Thanksgiving, all of them leftists. God help/smite me.
Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (9ATG5)

Sounds like a target rich environment with no worries of friendly fire....weapons free.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 21, 2014 04:35 PM (o2Jt2)


Just smile and say, "Well, voters all across the country recorded their disagreement with you. Heck, even Massachusetts and Maryland elected Republican governors!"

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (HBAcW)

264 I wonder if being in Texas makes conservatives more optimistic? I tend to think so. Living here, you see the the great benefits of conservative ecnomic policies. You have seen the state grow redder when everyone keeps predicting it will turn purple. I think it must have an effect - I would be down right depressed if I lived in a blue state.

Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:40 PM (gmeXX)

265 Peggy Noonan is an old dried up twat

Posted by: TexasJew at November 21, 2014 04:40 PM (/B6Iw)

266
I have in general defended Noonan as being an asset for our side despite her tepid support and/or complete misjudgment of Obama. Until I read that column, I have been of the opinion that she doesn't need to apologize. But I've changed my tune. I would like for her to right a column where she says she completely misjudged the character of the man and apologize to her readers for that misjudgment.
Posted by: SH at November 21, 2014 04:33 PM (gmeXX)


Yes, she helped put tfg in his throne.

What is funny now tho, is that she is p*ssing so many lefties (or indies, dunno) off with her recent spate of columns.

It's like she's off the wagon.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2014 04:40 PM (IXrOn)

267 Ooops, I might be the wrong Theresa everyone's saying hi to. Apologies if so. Been gone a while myself.

Not really so down, just disappointed that our preezy just doesn't seem to get it, or doesn't want to get it, that he was roundly repudiated last election. People say he means to destroy America, maybe so, but I prefer to think that he's a really stupid asshole who just listens to people who tell him what he wants to hear and sincerely thinks he's the savior of the world.

Posted by: Theresa to the D at November 21, 2014 04:40 PM (Ez5Cr)

268 Pod People Post

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 04:40 PM (rwI+c)

269 Speaking of old dried up twats, where is the damn Supreme Court?

Posted by: TexasJew at November 21, 2014 04:41 PM (/B6Iw)

270 103 "Rush was making a point either yesterday or the day before that no matter how elections turn out, the left is always moving the country in their direction.




Bipartisanship means working WITH the enemy.
New Liberals NEVER work this way, it is always the other way around, and that is why there are a lot of pissed, depressed Americans.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at November 21, 2014 04:42 PM (Nqnyv)

271 You left out the seppuku.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (oKE6c)

Okay, okay, fine. But only if one of her cohorts can instagram it. Pics or it didn't happen.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 21, 2014 04:42 PM (lAnlM)

272 I wonder if being in Texas makes conservatives more optimistic? I tend to think so

I see it being slowly de facto annexed by Mexico and it's depressing.

Posted by: brak at November 21, 2014 04:42 PM (Tj+s6)

273 I'm working on a few liberals, softly softly catchee monkee and all that, mostly raising questions rather than ranting, which I reserve for here. I think I'm making some yardage as the state circles the bowl at an accelerating pace.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:38 PM (oKE6c)

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I have two gals in our office that administer our EPA compliance crap. Very leftard, nice people, but still leftard.

Between seeing firsthand the effects of Governmental bureaucracy and seeing their insurance rate go "WHOOOOOSH" straight up... both of them are seriously questioning their once held beliefs that Government can solve our problems.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 04:43 PM (NaV4z)

274 I'll show you assholes. Next I'm giving away the Panama Canal to a left wing foreign government.

Already been done!? What?

Now I'm really mad!

Posted by: Hussein Soetoro, B.A., J.D., C.-in-C., B.F.D. at November 21, 2014 04:43 PM (vjboM)

275 Just smile and say, "Well, voters all across the
country recorded their disagreement with you. Heck, even Massachusetts
and Maryland elected Republican governors!"

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (HBAcW)

I use psychic jujitsu. When liberals praise the passage of some hare-brained liberal scheme, I just smile brightly and say, "Then it sounds like we've got nothing to worry about!" and walk off. That sets them to thinking ...

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:43 PM (oKE6c)

276 SH,
I'll do it to Noonan. I cancelled subscription & never commented at WSJ until last week.
I've commented last week, yesterday & today. I've gotten emails from subscribers that liked my comments.

I'm having trouble logging in on iPad but I'll do it from my Mac.

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 04:44 PM (sj3Ax)

277 238 There will be 22 people at the in-laws' for Thanksgiving, all of them leftists. God help/smite me.
Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (9ATG5)


Same here. Be sure to bow your head for 5-6 seconds before tucking into dinner. They'll look at you as if you were a Neptunian, and their feeble little brains will explode. I always enjoy it. I know I shouldn't, but I do.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 21, 2014 04:44 PM (vgIRn)

278 You're forgetting. That's how the GOPe viewed Reagan too.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM


I'm not forgetting that the GOPe fought tooth and nail against Reagan's rise.

But I think the GOPe has gotten a LOT more determined to fight against the same thing happening again. You know the old saying, "Lightning doesn't strike twice." Even if it does.

Posted by: elaine at November 21, 2014 04:44 PM (Y0Piu)

279 Jonah Goldberg writes about the Gruberization of the Left and the media:


Shouldn't that read,

"Jonah Goldberg, author of 'Liberal Fascism', writes about..."

Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2014 04:44 PM (Qo2Jt)

280 233 In blue states we've been winning the gun control battle same way the left has won the gay marriage battle in red states -- through the courts.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (ZPrif)

____________

Ganders and geese and such

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 04:44 PM (0LHZx)

281 Ace of Spades podcast still isn't available on iTunes.

Posted by: gwelf
.........
I read something yesterday that you have to delete the shortcut cause the addressed changed.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2014 04:44 PM (4+IgA)

282 SH

Well don't be overly optimistic about Texas

The state is going even more Hispanic and that group is chock full of more LIVs and FSA types than not

I live smack on the border and know it well..

Posted by: TexasJew at November 21, 2014 04:44 PM (/B6Iw)

283 I don't really call what is going on as failure, since he's accomplishing what he wants time and time again and if there's one thing we've learned from history its that government does not roll back.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 04:45 PM (39g3+)

284 Just smile and say, "Well, voters all across the country recorded their disagreement with you. Heck, even Massachusetts and Maryland elected Republican governors!"
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM (HBAcW)

I like when they pull the whole voter participation argument - that such a minimal amount voted in the midterms but Obama got record numbers of folks to vote.

To which I say well if they were so in favor of the JEFs policies, they'd of gotten their asses out there so apparently they really don't give a fuck.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 21, 2014 04:45 PM (lAnlM)

285 Everything the guy touches ends up sucking shit for
him and his party, why won't this as well? the key is to beat it back as
best they can and tie everyone in their party to the disasters he's
made.

Posted by: FDR's Television at November 21, 2014 04:32 PM


This is nice Political Games bullshit, but it's still bullshit.

While Choom Boy and the Democrats are destroying themselves -- and I see no sign of that, despite what some Conservative Pundits claim -- they are also destroying us. And, though it may seem less important, a lot of people who try to live their lives as decent, rules-following citizens who don't give a damn about politics.

When the Bad Guys win all the battles, it hardly matters if they are soiling their image.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 04:45 PM (PoKIA)

286 I have two gals in our office that administer our EPA compliance crap. Very leftard, nice people, but still leftard.



Between seeing firsthand the effects of Governmental bureaucracy and
seeing their insurance rate go "WHOOOOOSH" straight up... both of them
are seriously questioning their once held beliefs that Government can
solve our problems.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 04:43 PM (NaV4z)


Now there's a classic case for my strategy of #275. "Hey, nothing to worry about. The government will take of everything!" and walk off while they reflect on that thought.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:45 PM (oKE6c)

287 FIFY



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 21, 2014 04:36 PM (Zu3d9)


heh.

That's evil.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2014 04:45 PM (IXrOn)

288 I'll believe we are starting to win when Obamacare is gone, the border is secure and our immigration laws are being enforced.

Any betting people out there?

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 04:45 PM (wZ3EP)

289 I will be having a massive Christmas this year. So in lieu of that, my TG will be going out to a restaurant. Just me, the wife and kids. Done in 2 hours.

Then I can start resting up when around Dec 22nd or so, there will be about 10 people coming to my house to stay over Christmas.

God help me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 04:46 PM (0LHZx)

290 Temporary lines on a public opinion poll mean nothing.
The simple fact is that no nation has rescinded universal national healthcare once enacted. Every single other industrialized country has such as system (Taiwan and Switzerland have succcessful systems almost identical to ObamaCare). There is no political momentum in any of those countries to return to the "free market" clusterfuck of private insurance (ask any Canadian if they would trade their system for the pre-ObamaCare US mess and they will laugh in your face).
So the Dems took a short-term political beating to make a historic improvement in the US social safety net, well worth it in strategic terms. Obama achieved what the Dems have been attempting ever since the 1930's New Deal.
The fundamental building blocks of ACA are secure, not even Republicans talk seriously about allowing insurance denial for pre-existing conditions or recission of coverage after premium payments. The ratchet works one way, Republican efforts to prevent same sex marriage have failed completely and embarrassingly (now down the memory hole, of course).
2016 will bring President Hilary, and a Dem Senate. Republican gerrymandering will keep the House R for a while, until demographics overwhelm the R's (old white men are dying off fast, and no other demographic is majority R).
In the bigger picture, the struggle between liberal and conservative will continue forever, because both tendencies are present in all populations and all individuals.
Here in Boulder Colorado, life is good, legal herb and same sex marriage have increased our freedom, not reduced it.

Posted by: TommyVee at November 21, 2014 04:46 PM (hJprB)

291 my suspicion: Repubs like Boehner and McConnell think that the only choices are slow down the descent into ruin or make a vigorous effort and have the MSM make sure the Dems are back in power after the next election.
If food stamp money were merely frozen at current spending, sooneror later you'd start seeing news coverage ten times a week about poor children all across the country going to bed hungry every night. Think about the reaction in early 1995to the proposal to have the school lunch program only grow 4.75 percent a year instead of 5.25 percent.

Posted by: mallfly at November 21, 2014 04:47 PM (bJm7W)

292 I know how we can get out of this national funk. We need to close the borders, repeal Ocare, discontinue welfare, lower taxes, and be rid of the over-regulation. We can do this by electing conservative presidents and congressmen.

It's really very easy.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 04:47 PM (jkeQO)

293 So any guesses on the voter response to a presidential candidate announcing he/she was for a moratorium on immigration for 20 to 40 years in order to digest the largest immigration this country has ever seen? You know, like FDR did. Any guesses how the people would vote?

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 04:47 PM (oDCMR)

294 The fundamental building blocks of ACA are secure

Or not.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 04:47 PM (rwI+c)

295 Once there's an opposition party that can take advantage of this swell of popular feeling we may have a chance.

With no opposition, nothing will change.

Not really looking to the R party on this, not even a little bit.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 21, 2014 04:47 PM (1fIxV)

296 288 I'll believe we are starting to win when Obamacare is gone, the border is secure and our immigration laws are being enforced.
Any betting people out there?
Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 04:45 PM (wZ3EP)



One key demographic that may turn the tide: millennials. When they realize that they're spending their lives in mom's basement and can't find a decent job because of Democrat policies, they could spur a sea change.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:48 PM (oKE6c)

297 TommyVee

Straight from the cloaca of the DNC

Posted by: TexasJew at November 21, 2014 04:48 PM (/B6Iw)

298 Heck, even Massachusetts and Maryland elected Republican governors!"

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 21, 2014 04:39 PM


I can't say anything about Maryland, but in Massachusetts, the "Republican" governor is about as "Republican" as Johnnie Boner. He's apparently a nice guy, but in most states he'd be considered a Democrat.

And every person but one sent to D.C. from this state, and every state elected official are raving leftwingers.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 04:49 PM (PoKIA)

299 One key demographic that may turn the tide: millennials. When they realize that they're spending their lives in mom's basement and can't find a decent job because of Democrat policies, they could spur a sea change.

or, just a demand for even bigger government and more government "solutions"

Posted by: brak at November 21, 2014 04:50 PM (Tj+s6)

300 ask any Canadian if they would trade their system for the pre-ObamaCare US mess and they will laugh in your face).

_________

Really asshole?

_____________________

At least 40,000 Canadian patients seek health care in the United States every year, and the number is probably underestimated according to many sources, especially in border areas between major metropolitan cities. Consider that even a Canadian premier sought to have heart surgery in Miami, Florida in 2010.

Countless more travel to the U.S. for cosmetic procedures, vein procedures, new and up-to-date technologies and procedures that are performed for hyperhidrosis treatment, cancer care, orthopedics, ophthalmology care (eye care), robotic surgery, infertility care, MRI scans, PET scans and cosmetic dental procedures and dental implants.

http://tinyurl.com/lewhokq

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 04:50 PM (0LHZx)

301 I know how we can get out of this national funk. We need to close the borders, repeal Ocare, discontinue welfare, lower taxes, and be rid of the over-regulation. We can do this by electing conservative presidents and congressmen.

It's really very easy.
Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 04:47 PM (jkeQO)


If it were easy, everyone would be doing it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 21, 2014 04:51 PM (V+kmg)

302 #275 #277
and SH and too many to keep track of...thanks for the advice. Will definitely try to follow the jiujitsu line rather than engaging since there will be lawyers there who make their livings talking bullshit.

Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:52 PM (9ATG5)

303 There is no political momentum in any of those countries to return to the "free market" clusterfuck of private insurance

Insurance is not a free market.

Fee-for-service is a free market.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 04:52 PM (MMC8r)

304 "Obama and the left are being discredited" I wrote to my senators and reps and King Putt Wednesday asking them to stop the amnesty. (The gist of my emails was that amnesty will make it harder for US citizens to find jobs.)

I forwarded copies of my emails to friends and relatives to try to get them also to write to stop the amnesty. So I hear back from my cousin. His take? "Oh yeah, that GWBush really ran the country into the ground, huh?"

So when you say "Obama and the left are being discredited" you are waaaaay underestimating the stupidity of this electorate. Believe it or not, for them, everything that goes wrong still discredits W, not Emperor Pivot.

Posted by: gp at November 21, 2014 04:52 PM (mk9aG)

305 Yep, no Canadian would dream of the US health care system.

___________--

Canadian patients also face wait times for medical procedures. Nearly 700,000 Canadians are on a waiting list for surgery or other treatments.
A Canadian patient has to wait roughly four months for the average surgical or other therapeutic treatment. Wait times were similar a decade ago - even though the government has substantially increased health care spending since then.
Canadians also lack access to advanced medical technology. Compared to other developed countries, Canada ranks 14th out of 25 nations surveyed by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development in access to MRIs; 19th of 26 for CT scanners; and eighth out of 21 for mammograms.
Canadian women are nearly a quarter less likely to have had a mammogram than are American women.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 04:52 PM (0LHZx)

306 There is a solution to all this...

oh, wait, I forgot that Obama has turned your military into a social justice experiment.

Posted by: Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte at November 21, 2014 04:53 PM (lN8KC)

307 Tommy Vee: You are a fucking imbecile.

_____________

Danny Williams, the premier of the Canadian province of Newfoundland, traveled to the United States earlier this month to undergo heart valve surgery at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami. With his trip, Williams joined a long list of Canadians who have decided that they prefer American medicine to their own country's government-run health system when their lives are on the line.
But just as American hospitals are becoming popular vacation destinations for about 40,000 Canadians a year, California's Senate is pressing ahead with its effort to make the state's health care system more like the one in the Great White North. The Senate recently approved a bill sponsored by Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, that would install a government-run, single-payer health system in the Golden State. The Assembly will soon consider the measure.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 04:54 PM (0LHZx)

308 The winter camp at Valley Forge was a pretty hungry place. I don't think strolling around here with the name Captain_Cookie is a real good idea.
It doesn't work out too well in the Polynesian Islands either.

Posted by: zombie captain cook at November 21, 2014 04:54 PM (vHjbk)

309
Well don't be overly optimistic about Texas

The state is going even more Hispanic and that group is chock full of more LIVs and FSA types than not

I live smack on the border and know it well..
Posted by: TexasJew
...............................
Don't forget about us! Our biggest export is shitty voters.

Posted by: California at November 21, 2014 04:55 PM (wAQA5)

310 Ace, the citizens of Venezuela, Cuba, and Zimbabwe probably don't have your sunny optimism regarding the overthrow of catastrophically failing regime.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at November 21, 2014 04:56 PM (DpRZj)

311 >>TommyVee

Wow. You manage to drip condensention and smarminess. I'll bet random strangers regularly punch you in the face.

Posted by: Aviator at November 21, 2014 04:56 PM (3rrMW)

312 Foreign policy a wreck, USA a laughingstock.

Terrorists now controlling large areas of territory.

Economy limping.

Record numbers on assistance, more to come.

Immigration issue a mess, borders less secure.

Debt set to rise at an accelerated rate soon.

Govt ruining healthcare and insurance.

Guns is all that's left.

Get ready.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 04:56 PM (wZ3EP)

313 Moo-moo, you could also add the raft of stories about bed shortages in Canada, long wait times for care, and the shortage of OB/GYN services. In the UK, too.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 04:57 PM (MMC8r)

314 TommyVee is a troll we have seen here before.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2014 04:58 PM (mR7Es)

315 Not to mention that that 'free' Canadian healthcare gets funded by a 20% VAT tax.

Posted by: --- at November 21, 2014 04:58 PM (MMC8r)

316 My father in law had a little place in Florida for some years. He had Canadian snowbird friends who used to hang out with them every winter.

They had to stop coming because Canada passed a regulation that health coverage was lost if you left the country for more than 6 weeks.

They had to sell their little place.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 05:01 PM (wZ3EP)

317 The GOP needs to get a clue. The message is clear. In order to buy votes, POTUS has offered amnesty to 5 million for illegal actions at the expense of the rest of the population who will have to bear the brunt and expense of his generosity. Every other demographic group is looking at this hand-out and asking where is our relief? Where is our pardon from the law? Where is our preferred access to jobs? The GOP response should be that we are dismayed that the POTUS would take such a limited action towards a select few at the expense of so many other Americans that are struggling to find work and make an honest living. We represent ALL Americans that want fair and honest treatment within the laws we have consented to. No exceptions.

Posted by: Whatitis at November 21, 2014 05:03 PM (QJ1FK)

318 Moo-moo, you could also add the raft of stories about bed shortages in Canada, long wait times for care, and the shortage of OB/GYN services.



There is no shortage in the US. Which is where they come.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 05:04 PM (zESFM)

319 Better that we feel we are losing--by just a little; keeps us fighting.

Because we KNOW we should be winning.

It's like being up by 15 at home in the 3rd quarter against last year's Super Bowl champs.

Yeah, you're winning. But these are the champs.

Until their QB* goes down with a broken leg or the clock hits 0:00 it ain't over.

*Their QB is not Obaaama--it's the press.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2014 05:05 PM (VjL9S)

320 Amen.

I said this to a colleague earlier today. The Democrat Party is going to be out of the running for a generation when the dust settles. They've shown most voters they are perverse liars, willing to subvert justice and the Constitution for their agenda. They actually care more about that then the voters.

There has been a negative affect to just about every demographic that is important- men, women, young and old.

It's why they are chasing this illegal immigrant ruse so hard. Their screwed without that dream. And it is a dream to think that demographic won't get smarter and figure out they are simply pawns in the process. Useful idiots. Like the Unions.

So ultimately I don't paint this as dark as it may seem. I also believe some Democrats are starting to see this and get nervous. So fuck them. They can choke on a dick`

Posted by: Marcus T at November 21, 2014 05:05 PM (GGCsk)

321 Pig testicles are considered a white meat. Very good fried.

Posted by: The Progs at November 21, 2014 05:06 PM (iQIUe)

322 Believe it or not, for them, everything that goes wrong still discredits W, not Emperor Pivot Divot.

FIFY

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 21, 2014 05:07 PM (HBAcW)

323 I wasn't really terribly depressed until about ten minutes ago, when legal immigrant cow-orker asked me if I watched Obama's speech, then wondered why CBS et al didn't show it...and now "feels like they're all Republicans because they didn't show Obama." So close...and so fail.

...and I'm off to drink.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 21, 2014 05:07 PM (ZKzrr)

324 296
One key demographic that may turn the tide: millennials. When they realize that they're spending their lives in mom's basement and can't find a decent job because of Democrat policies, they could spur a sea change.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 04:48 PM (oKE6c)



That's what I keep saying. I wonder how many of them sit in class rolling their eyes at their aging hippie Marxist professor's blatherings, and pretend to agree for their grades?

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 05:08 PM (zoehZ)

325 If the country is permanently gone and elections are no longer legitimate, explain this Election Day.


So Republicans won the election. Obama was rejected. And he goes on TV and violates the law and Constitution, while the GOP betrays its voters and claims they are powerless to do anything to stop Obama.

Our votes are meaningless.

Posted by: despair at November 21, 2014 05:08 PM (dcY7v)

326 or, just a demand for even bigger government and more government "solutions"

Posted by: brak at November 21, 2014 04:50 PM (Tj+s6)


Yep, could break that way too. Just sayin', things could change a lot. Predictions are tough, especially those about the future.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 05:11 PM (oKE6c)

327 310 Ace, the citizens of Venezuela, Cuba, and Zimbabwe probably don't have your sunny optimism regarding the overthrow of catastrophically failing regime.
Posted by: Mark in Portland at November 21, 2014 04:56 PM (DpRZj)



But the citizens of the late unlamented Rumania and DDR might.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 05:12 PM (oKE6c)

328 "The GOP response should be that we are dismayed that the POTUS would take such a limited action towards a select few at the expense of so many other Americans..."

Posted by: Whatitis at November 21, 2014 05:03 PM (QJ1FK)


This is Jeff Sessions' argument. The problem is that he has been getting zero traction with the GOPe for it.

The GOPe and their donors agree with Obama and the Dims on immigration. Their sponsors want cheap labor, and the establishment legislators are either willfully blind to the impact on average Americans--both citizens and legal residents--who are already here, or they just don't give a flying cfuk because all they care about is their next campaign.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 21, 2014 05:14 PM (HBAcW)

329 That's what I keep saying. I wonder how many of
them sit in class rolling their eyes at their aging hippie Marxist
professor's blatherings, and pretend to agree for their grades?





Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 05:08 PM (zoehZ)


I think a way forward is to portray Marxist policies as old, shopworn policies. It's probably effective not to say so in so many words, but to smile indulgently, roll the eyes, and parrot some of the tired phrases with the speaker. It gets the point across: this is lame. Nothing immunizes the young against something more than its being portrayed as lame.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 05:15 PM (oKE6c)

330 IRS says 30,000 Lerner emails have been found

WZ

Posted by: Ronster at November 21, 2014 05:16 PM (G/NXs)

331 But the citizens of the late unlamented Rumania and DDR might.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 05:12 PM (oKE6c)


----

I always wondered where Ruminants came from.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 05:16 PM (NaV4z)

332 I'll be down if I want.

La la la, *does the downy dance*

You're not the boss of me.

You're not even my real dad.

I'm down because all my lib friends (we're all divorced now, so not really) are utterly impenetrable. They think Carter was one of the best presidents ever. He suited them perfectly. I'm down because there is no fixing that level of thick headedness. Discredited, yes, but not to them. They'll die perfectly unaffected sanctimonious sh|ts. That's why I remain down.

Posted by: bour3 at November 21, 2014 05:19 PM (5x3+2)

333
I wish I shared Ace's sunny optimism, but when I read the comments on Wash Post stories about Boehner, I just give up hope. The country is lost to leftists who won't listen to reason. They are reflexive haters.

somebody talk me out of this please.

Posted by: the other coytoe at November 21, 2014 05:20 PM (yK44T)

334 Peggy
I stopped reading your columns in 2008 when you fell for the words spewed by Obama. You owe your former readers an apology and some might read you columns again.

Here is my comment to Peggy on WSJ

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 05:21 PM (sj3Ax)

335 somebody talk me out of this please.
Posted by: the other coytoe at November 21, 2014 05:20 PM (yK44T)


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I'm not even going to get close until you step away from that ledge.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 05:21 PM (jkeQO)

336 Riiiight.

Obama just did the reveal late last night and you are pretty sure right now that Republicans are the problem.

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 21, 2014 04:25 PM (RJMhd)
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Where, pray tell, did I write that "Republicans were the problem?" I do think that some of them agree with what he's done, just not the way he's done it because it messes things up. There are quite a few Republicans who are perfectly fine with amnesty. Has McCain not been pushing for amnesty for years? Has Graham not done the same? What about the ones in the House?

I wish that I had confidence in the Republicans to fight this but it seems that the only people in the world who fear Obama are DC Republicans.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at November 21, 2014 05:22 PM (Qg+ee)

337 I'm down because I ponder the safety of my children, or their children, when the shooting starts. Its inevitable. The ratchet continues to turn left, and all we know about engineering predicts that it will eventually break.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 21, 2014 05:25 PM (RubNX)

338 We're down because we don't want to see the country getting hurt. You could argue we have to reap what we've sown (not "we" specifically, but "we" the country that elected these fools); but we're also all feeling in our own lives the pain that these people are inflicting. Also, in spite of the failures of the Democrats, there are a lot--A LOT--of people who will continue to vote Democrat in spite of them. I know people personally who complain about who bad things are but come a Presidential election, can only shriek about how Republicans want to outlaw birth control and ruin all our lives. So I'm bummed because I really think there's a chance Hillary or (God forbid) Liz gets elected.

Posted by: PBJ5959 at November 21, 2014 05:29 PM (r1du+)

339 Ha! Americans have wised up in the last six years!

ITA, Ace, about not being so down, Obama is failing just like we all wished he would and the GOP won the midterms. I think some people are still so down because the GOP is the only alternate party to the Dems and they don't seem to really have a plan to stop Obama. For my part, I want the GOP to succeed not only to save the country but also so that people keep trusting them and voting for them. If they screw up, then what? But, we have a LOT to be thankful for and I believe it's because God is still looking out for this country (all our years of being allies to Israel is probably helping right now -- credit in the bank).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 21, 2014 05:31 PM (nvq3r)

340 You are down because you can see 2016

Posted by: Tighter at November 21, 2014 05:34 PM (QoQdM)

341 i want to thank President Obama for all the free government stuff he has given us. Thank Sir and we love you in Brattleboro.

Posted by: Jenny Dunstan-Cline at November 21, 2014 05:36 PM (Sd++4)

342
Now that the euphoria of the election has subsided a bit it is time to hold the party's feet to the fire.

The bedrock that made this country the most exceptional on the planet--Bill Of Rights, Constitution etc. haven't disappeared--they are still there, merely covered with a layer of filth the left deposited.

Our task is cleaning off that filth. Not an easy chore, but very doable.

Each of us, in whatever way open to us no matter how seemingly insignificant MUST continue to fight this scum.

You CANNOT quit--ever.

My lifespan may not allow me to see the victory, but as long as there is breath, there will be no quitting the battle.


We WILL prevail for one simple reason--as Americans, we are denied the option of quitting.

Laugh at my post here if you choose--doesn't matter.

I hold to my country and what it stands for-- that will never change, no matter the circumstance.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 21, 2014 05:37 PM (jeCnD)

343 Obama has feet of clay and wrists of old lettuce.

Posted by: dirks strewn at November 21, 2014 05:46 PM (TIgJq)

344 someone tell Tommyvie that he is a fucking retard. The national healthcare system in Switzerland is so good that the middle class purchases private insurance. In Switzerland even if you are at the beginning of a heart attack you need to call a taxi because the ambulance is reserved more urgent cases. And yes, you are correct, in Switzerland the national health care works better than in any other western country, which is very telling!

But how can you know it? from your mother's basement all you can do is smoke dope and being fucked in the ass by your faggot lover.

Keep your ghey marriage and drugs, people like you usually do not survive past 40.

Posted by: fromabroad at November 21, 2014 05:49 PM (rnV3B)

345 Thanks for the encouraging words, Irongrampa.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 21, 2014 06:01 PM (RZlSA)

346 UNfortunately, he has also brought science down with him. After what NASA/NOAA has done destroying the temperature record--just one glaring example--nothing can be trusted, especially from the i LOVE SCIENCE SEXUALLY crowd.

Posted by: Soylent Green at November 21, 2014 06:03 PM (dXI7S)

347 Welcome, welcome welcome to the 74th Hunger Games
Here's a video from the Capitol (uptalk here on *capitol*)
May the odds be ever in your favor!

Posted by: TheThinMan at November 21, 2014 06:05 PM (St5qb)

348 Posted by: TommyVee at November 21, 2014 04:46 PM (hJprB)

Oh Look!It's Tommy Vietor now paid by OFA to troll conservative websites.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 21, 2014 06:05 PM (RZlSA)

349 There will be 22 people at the in-laws' for Thanksgiving, all of them leftists. God help/smite me.

Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 04:31 PM (9ATG5)

No way would I even show up. Family or no family. Yeah, I'm at that stage. Been that way for years ever since one of my wife's relatives hung a sign in her kitchen that read Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Republican. Haven't been back since. I. just. don't. care. They can all FOAD. Liberals now receive my stock answer.....blow it out your ass. Said in a polite manner, of course.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at November 21, 2014 06:23 PM (TPimP)

350 We're down because even though he's failing, and the left is failing, it also impacts the United States. Their failures don't occur in a vacuum; America appears weaker to our enemies...and our friend.

The failure has created a Shit Sandwich and we all know we're going to have to take a big ol' bite of that sandwich in order to fix this mess and make it go away.

Posted by: Mauser757 at November 21, 2014 06:37 PM (Io1Hp)

351 "Obama is the shit-fingered Midas."

I have never heard it put that way before. I laughed for 5min straight, it's perfect!!!

Posted by: treiz at November 21, 2014 06:42 PM (YkHYa)

352 We'll only have three for TG, but in the past we used to spend it at the houses of some liberal friends. Political topics just didn't come up or we skirted past them quickly. Is there anyway you can just say to the 22 other people "Politics are pretty contentious right now. How about if we agree not to discuss them?"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 21, 2014 06:44 PM (RZlSA)

353 Thanks for the optimism, Ace! ...I totally agree with you.

Posted by: wheatie at November 21, 2014 07:20 PM (GHmmM)

354 His new Mexican-democrat-Americans think he is doing just swell.

Not one of my commie friends is saying anything even slightly negative about their first-among-equals comrade.

We aren't out of the woods yet.

Posted by: BillCosby-Clinton at November 21, 2014 07:29 PM (U93Mr)

355 Rush was right and I was too: let leftism fail on its merits! And it's going down folks

Posted by: Pj at November 21, 2014 09:24 PM (2wohZ)

356 @thatcrazyjerseyguy
Totally with you on that, but for reasons too long to get into here, it's a "have-to" event. Been living overseas a few years. Anyway, in my view, 2015 will depend entirely on the next few weeks, as your note illustrates.

Posted by: kiffen at November 21, 2014 09:24 PM (9ATG5)

357 "Politics are pretty contentious right now. How about if we agree not to discuss them?"

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I've been in a similar situation. The short answer is no. They will take this as a sign of weakness, and since they love browbeating the unbelievers, the more the merrier.......unless you have lots of liquid fortifaction, prepare to be overwhelmed.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at November 21, 2014 11:40 PM (Q3tFF)

358 Seems choom boy is looking to be the 1st Prezident impeached and REMOVED from office.

Posted by: torabora at November 22, 2014 12:25 AM (AH9Tv)

359 Nyquil is some good fucking shit.

Posted by: S at November 22, 2014 04:33 AM (NhLdG)

360 And he will bring the Democrat Party and the media with him as he falls.

The reason I'm down is due to the distinct possibility that Barry will manage to bring the Republic down with him. Look around and tell me why you're optimistic. Oh sure, the Dems could become radioactive for a few years, but the damage may well become irreversible.

Posted by: Physics Geek at November 22, 2014 09:07 AM (llWHs)

361 My dear Morons and Moronettes, enough of the self-pity. Suck it up, and stop whining.

When I was Commander in Chief of the Continental Forces, during our American Revolution, my beloved troops suffered horribly from frostbite, hunger, thirst, and disease. I cried to see them in such misery. But we fought on -- at least, those of us who didn't desert.

Our Congressmen were also a bunch of unreliable bumblers. They never sent us enough of anything, but we learned to make do with what we had or could scavenge.

I understand your problems with an out-of-control king, but now, you must meet this situation, head on, and prevail.

Encourage one another, and fight for your beloved country.

And, as Sir Winston Churchhill, another shining light in the darkness of war once exclaimed, "Never, never, never give up."

Posted by: George Washington, father of your Country -- so listen to your father. at November 22, 2014 01:03 PM (1LHAO)

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