Despite What You May Have Read In The Papers, The Iraq War Was Not About An Active Weapons Program

Bumped by Ace. Gabe's original post follows.

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The NYTimes has published a particularly despicable piece on the Iraq War. Here's the link, if you must. Now, let me start by saying there are parts of this piece that are noteworthy, and those parts recount acts of valor and duty by U.S. service members. That's not the despicable part. The despicable part is how the NYTimes writers have twisted what happened to these service members to their own end of rewriting the Iraq War.

According to the NYTimes, chemical weapons of mass destruction were indeed found in Iraq during the war, as has been a simmering, off-again-on-again open secret. But the NYTimes says these were not the chemical WMD that President Bush said would be found:

The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.

The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard agents after 2003. American officials said that the actual tally of exposed troops was slightly higher, but that the government’s official count was classified.

The secrecy fit a pattern. Since the outset of the war, the scale of the United States’ encounters with chemical weapons in Iraq was neither publicly shared nor widely circulated within the military. These encounters carry worrisome implications now that the Islamic State, a Qaeda splinter group, controls much of the territory where the weapons were found.

The first sentence is an absolute lie, uttered at Bush 43's expense, and made to justify the terrifying conclusion, laid at Obama's feet, in the last sentence.

This NYTimes piece has an overarching political goal: to cement forever the lie that the Iraq War was directed solely at stopping an active weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq. As we know, the military never found an active weapons program, which makes this a particularly compelling slander.

Well, okay. Let us say that it is compelling for anyone stupid enough to believe it, which, shockingly, includes far too many people who actually lived through the event and have conveniently forgotten now. I am flabbergasted at the number of people who immediately repeated this lie on Twitter who I know were alive and well and watching the run-up to the Iraq War, just like me.

So let me remind you about the actual casus belli for the Iraq War.

In 2002, Saddam Hussein was doing everything he could to foil the UN weapons inspections teams about his existing weapons caches (the ones the NYTimes just "found" in its hit piece). You might recall, the U.S. was enforcing no-fly zones over Iraq at the time and attempting to ensure that Hussein remained disarmed. Hussein, for his part, was attempting to obscure both what he was capable of doing and what WMD, particularly biological and nuclear, remained to him. He was well-known, of course, for using chemical weapons against his own people and against the Iranians. Of particular concern going forward were his nuclear plans and the possibility that he would sell or give weapons to terrorists with Western ambitions.

On September 12, 2002, Bush went to the UN to plead with the useless world body to actually enforce sanctions and impose thorough weapons inspections. Nowhere in his speech will you find a claim that Hussein had an "active weapons program," as the NYTimes writers would now have you believe. Rather Bush talked about finding Hussein's old weapons and deterring his hope to once again restart his weapons programs:

United Nations inspections also reveal that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard, and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons.

And in 1995 — after four years of deception — Iraq finally admitted it had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.

Today, Iraq continues to withhold important information about its unclear program — weapons design, procurement logs, experiment data, an accounting of nuclear materials, and documentation of foreign assistance. Iraq employs capable nuclear scientists and technicians. It retains physical infrastructure needed to build a nuclear weapon. Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should Iraq acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a year. And Iraq's state-controlled media has reported numerous meetings between Saddam Hussein and his nuclear scientists, leaving little doubt about his continued appetite for these weapons.

Later, Bush gave one of the speeches he will no doubt be long remembered for, the "Axis of Evil" State of the Union speech, in which he again noted Iraq's old weapons. Note well: He didn't accuse Iraq of having an active weapons program.

Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. The Iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax, and nerve gas, and nuclear weapons for over a decade. This is a regime that has already used poison gas to murder thousands of its own citizens -- leaving the bodies of mothers huddled over their dead children. This is a regime that agreed to international inspections -- then kicked out the inspectors. This is a regime that has something to hide from the civilized world.

States like [Iran, Iraq, and North Korea], and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.

So we see that by 2002, Bush is raising over and again the same concern about Hussein's Iraq: that it had weapons of mass destruction and it had the ambition to use them and it had a desire to foil attempts to destroy them and it had terrorist allies willing to use them.

Let me emphasize what is not present, if that's possible, in either of these speeches: the claim that Hussein had an active weapons of mass destruction program. That is not in there and, please, click through and check my math. It simply wasn't the basis of the case for war that Bush made to the American public.

The next major speech in Bush 43's run-up to war would be his ultimatum speech on March 17, 2003. This was Hussein's last chance to alter course. Bush 43 put Hussein, our coalition partners, and the American public on notice that enough was enough.

But, and this is important, an active weapons program made up no part of Bush 43's ultimatum. It wasn't active development of WMD that drove the U.S. to war. Rather, it was the same problems Bush 43 had identified the previous year: old weapons, the demonstrated ambition to develop new ones as soon as our backs were turned, and the possibility that Hussein could pass them to terrorists with Western aims:

Over the years, U.N. weapon inspectors have been threatened by Iraqi officials, electronically bugged, and systematically deceived. Peaceful efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime have failed again and again -- because we are not dealing with peaceful men.

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction against Iraq's neighbors and against Iraq's people.

The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East. It has a deep hatred of America and our friends. And it has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.

The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other.

So you find again—and I'm sorry for repeating this so many times, but it seems that it has been forgotten—the three themes of Bush's war plea: Iraqi resistance to disarmament, Iraqi ambition to arm once more, and terrorists. Those were the casus belli for the Iraq War. Not solely an active weapons program, as the NYTimes would have you believe.

Progressives deeply invested in the lie during the Bush years that no WMD were found in Iraq. Bush gave many reasons for the war, but progressives seized on just the presence of WMD and then pretended it was the only reason for war. We've known they've been wrong about the lack of WMD for many years now. But, upon the chance that ISIL will find and use any remnants of WMD, however, progressives have had to modify their story even more.

Now, progressives have finally admitted that Hussein's stockpiled weapons were found during the Iraq War, but claim these were not the weapons Bush said would be found. This is just one more lie. And they've compounded it with another lie: that the sole reason for the Iraq War was an active weapons program.

As I have demonstrated from Bush's own contemporaneous words, an active weapons program was not the sole reason for war. In fact, an active weapons program was not even mentioned in the multiple speeches Bush delivered to the American public and to an international audience.

Do not let the NYTimes get away with its false history of the Iraq War. The war was not made solely based on claims of an active Iraqi weapons program. It was made because, as President Bush explained repeatedly to the American public: Saddam Hussein possessed old weapons of mass destruction, desired to evade inspections so as to keep them, hoped to restart his weapons programs in the future, and could pass weapons to terrorist groups with ambitions to harm the West.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 10:56 AM




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1 Thank you Gabe.

Just saw some of your tweets on Allah's feed.

Off to read the whole post.

Scary how much people--choose to forget.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 01:12 AM (RJMhd)

2 While we're at it, please remind the left that it was the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln who put up the 'Mission Accomplished' banner, not the White House. In his speech W said the opposite: that the task ahead was far from over and would take years.

Posted by: HuuskerDu at October 15, 2014 01:14 AM (gYAkw)

3 I think Saddam also used WMDs against the Kurds....


Christopher Hitchens use to rail against that.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 01:16 AM (RJMhd)

4 LETTER FROM KURDISTAN

Holiday in Iraq

Over Christmas break, the author took his son to northern Iraq, which the U.S. had made a no-fly zone in 1991, ending Saddam's chemical genocide. Now reborn, Iraqi Kurdistan is a heartrending glimpse of what might have been.

by Christopher Hitchens

[...] In the town of Halabja, which has now earned its gruesome place in history, I met people whose hideous wounds from chemical bombardment were still suppurating.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/04/hitchens200704

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 01:22 AM (RJMhd)

5 Thanks Gabe. Always with the lies, the left. Always.

Posted by: flounder at October 15, 2014 01:27 AM (sDapq)

6 The Halabja chemical attack (Kurdish: Kîmyabarana Helebce), also known as the Halabja Massacre or Bloody Friday, was a genocidal massacre against the Kurdish people that took place on March 16, 1988, during the closing days of the Iran-Iraq War in the Kurdish city of Halabja in Southern Kurdistan. The attack was part of the Al-Anfal campaign in northern Iraq, as well as part of the Iraqi attempt to repel the Iranian Operation Zafar 7. It took place 48 hours after the fall of the town to Iranian army and Kurdish guerrillas.
The attack killed between 3,200 and 5,000 people and injured 7,000 to 10,000 more, most of them civilians. Thousands more died of complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack. The incident, which has been officially defined as an act of genocide against the Kurdish people in Iraq, was and still remains the largest chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history.
wiki

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 01:28 AM (RJMhd)

7 Then there was the Anfal campaign which is a separate incident.


The Anfal campaign included the use of ground offensives, aerial bombing, systematic destruction of settlements, mass deportation, firing squads, and chemical warfare, which earned al-Majid the nickname of "Chemical Ali"


Rememberer that--
"Chemical Ali"?


Anyways.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 01:34 AM (RJMhd)

8 Great post, Gabe.

Here's a video of the big-name Democrats who were all *for* going to war in Iraq...and all talked about Saddam Hussein's "Weapons of Mass Destruction":

"Democrats before the Iraq War started..."

http://youtu.be/N5p-qIq32m8

Youtube has tried to scrub this video away...but they missed this one.

Posted by: wheatie at October 15, 2014 01:37 AM (Da0Xz)

9 Someone call the Corgi's.

Oh, wait...they're all asleep, only us night owls up coming to swoop in on dead threads to see what we missed during the daylight hours.

Fortunately I'm not at work where the evil #twoweeks 1080 problem prevents me from even seeing comments, let alone make one.

"This NYTimes piece..." will waste brain cells and time. They have an overarching narrative and it's not one that favors conservatives or the truth.

PS... I'm back from vacation. Tanned, rested, fit and missing a few brain cells from massive consumption of Drambuie and Crown Royal. It was worth it to get toes in the sand and salt water in the eyes.

Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something involving rope and a tree at October 15, 2014 01:37 AM (baiNQ)

10 He was known for his ruthlessness, ordering the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons such as mustard gas, sarin, tabun and VX against Kurdish targets during a genocidal campaign dubbed Al-Anfal.

VX...





Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 01:40 AM (RJMhd)

11 Gabe, also note that the NYT was notoriously unprofessional - oh hell, just stupid and tendentious - in their repeated use of the mythical rationales of an "imminent threat" from Iraq. I believe they had to correct that - i.e, admit that in fact that concept was NOT an administration rationale - four separate times. Inexcusable to do it even once, if you're intelligent and/or serious.

But Gabe, please note - and this strengthens your point and reinforces the overall rationale for the regime removal - that in fact the most significant Iraqi WMD stocks remain unaccounted for to this day. The VX. Don't believe we ever were able to confidently document what happened to it.

The Duelffer Report, which nobody has read and everyone should read, nicely documents how Iraq was poised to resume/expand its key WMD programs once sanctions were lifted - an eventuality that was very probable, and likely not far off.

Iraq was (accurately) portrayed as apre-emptive war against an existing enemy with a uniquely dangerous record of reckless aggression, the ample potential for serious WMD development, and the clear propensity for collaboration with non-state terror outfits. In the post-9/11 world, this was an intolerable (and un-containable) threat, and was prudently taken out.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 15, 2014 01:40 AM (afQnV)

12 8 Great post, Gabe.

Here's a video of the big-name Democrats who were all *for* going to war in Iraq...and all talked about Saddam Hussein's "Weapons of Mass Destruction":

"Democrats before the Iraq War started..."

http://youtu.be/N5p-qIq32m8

Youtube has tried to scrub this video away...but they missed this one.
Posted by: wheatie at October 15, 2014 01:37 AM (Da0Xz)


*********

wheatie

You are from Oklahoma right?

You can be damn proud of the AWACS crews at Tinker AFB and your fine Senator Inhofe.


I'm off.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 01:41 AM (RJMhd)

13 12...wheatie

You are from Oklahoma right?

You can be damn proud of the AWACS crews at Tinker AFB and your fine Senator Inhofe.

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Thanks, Danube River Guide.

Yeah, I am proud of our AWACs crews here.
It's cool to watch them doing grid pattern exercises in our skies overhead.

And I have had the privilege of voting for Senator Inhofe in every one of his Senate races.
He's one of the good guys.

Posted by: wheatie at October 15, 2014 01:46 AM (Da0Xz)

14 Don't worry, they will correct it on page D29 in a few months.

Posted by: commentorior at October 15, 2014 01:47 AM (mgE2f)

15 The NYT. The Paper of Record.
Ever read some of their WWII and post WWII columns?
Yeah, same shit, different decade.

Posted by: navybrat at October 15, 2014 01:50 AM (aLNKb)

16 Here's another video that shows Democrats jawboning about Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction:


"Democrats Hypocrisy Over The Iraq War"

http://youtu.be/FCVZlLBchVE

Posted by: wheatie at October 15, 2014 01:50 AM (Da0Xz)

17 Even though the conventional wisdom about Ba'athist Iraq was sufficiently reasonable to have compelled even idiotic Dems to embrace it (see comment #8, by wheatie, above), even IT probably under-stated the menace from that regime.

Many will recall the letter Sec. Baker handed to Tariq Aziz in Geneva in January '91, the last act of "diplomacy" before the Gulf War. The letter Aziz handed back after reading, saying it was inappropriate for a head of state. Some will know that it was a pretty amazing document, probably the only one that ever explicitly (if euphemistically) threatened nuclear attack on another state. Those who know this will think that the "red line" for which the US "reserved the right to respond with all means at its disposal" was the use of WMD on Coalition forces.

Well there were two other red line items. One was destruction of Kuwaiti oil infrastructure. Another was Iraqi involvement in terrorism against the Coalition anywhere on the globe.

Ahemm. Everyone knows what happened with Kuwaiti oil wells. But aside from flouting that "red line", Iraq attempted to use WMD (CW) on the coalition (but failed, probably). AND Iraq was involved in anti-Coalition terrorism, most notably in an airliner plot in the Pacific.

So just ponder that for a second. The only nation ever to be explicitly warned they could be nuked for doing A, B, or C went out and did A, B, and C - with gusto, and without hesitation.

Saddam's Iraq was - easily - the most aggressive, most dangerously recklessregime the world has seen since the Axis was destroyed. It wasn't just one of the most blood-soaked genocidal tyrannies in modern history.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 15, 2014 01:55 AM (afQnV)

18 Night all.

Here is "Desert Cruiser" by Truckfighters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLMPA4xPFpg

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 15, 2014 02:05 AM (lN8KC)

19
Great post Gabe.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 15, 2014 02:19 AM (CLfqv)

20 Wait, enstompening the ONT? Isn't that like dropping the groundhog?

Nothing good can come of this.

However, that said,

"Hussein, for his part, was attempting to obscure both what he was capable of doing and what WMD, particularly biological and nuclear, remained to him."

Well, and as a few sane voices said at the time, for Saddam to openly admit that he had no significant quantities of WMD (or for him to allow external inspectors who would state the same) meant the end of his regime at the hands of dissident blocs internally and Iran externally.

The pretense of WMD was the mortar holding together the bricks of Saddam's ramshackle state, beset both within and without. Of course he maintained the imposture of having WMD to and beyond the last second. Wouldn't you?

"On September 12, 2002, Bush went to the UN to plead with the useless world body to actually enforce sanctions and impose thorough weapons inspections. Nowhere in his speech will you find a claim that Hussein had an 'active weapons program,' as the NYTimes writers would now have you believe."

I do not personally recall the verbiage of "active weapons program", but I do very vividly and specifically recall the horribly clunky Bushian coinage "weapons of mass destruction related program activities". Delivered in hushed undertones as though it were some shocking revelation.

Holy cow, how many fingers were in that pie? Get me rewrite!

The instant I heard that, I buried my face in my palms and said, "Dubya, you total dope. Admit it, you came a cropper on the WMD hunt."

It was as ridiculous as Don Rumsfeld saying that "We know where [Saddam's imagined WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat".

East, west, south, and north somewhat. Yeah, that sure helps narrow the search. Were any cardinal directions left out? Are the WMD also perhaps in addition to being east, west, south and north somewhat, also up and down somewhat? Let's not be presumptuous about an X-Y plane here.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 15, 2014 02:23 AM (noWW6)

21 "Many will recall the letter Sec. Baker handed to Tariq Aziz in Geneva in January '91, the last act of 'diplomacy' before the Gulf War."

Oh, I certainly do recall that.

As well as I recall the minutes of the meeting between Ambassador April Glaspie (reporting directly to Jim Baker) and Saddam Hussein, before the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq.

Saddam complained pretty forthrightly that his country had bloodily borne the brunt of huge assaults by the mullahs' fanatic Iranian regime. With Iraq acting to protect not only themselves but also the spoiled silken petromonarchies of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

And the Kuwaitis in particular had, while shedding no blood themselves to fend of the Ayatollah Khomeini's lunatic hordes, proceeded to "slant drill" beneath the common border of Kuwait and Iraq into Iraqi oil reservoirs.

Did Glaspie, er, pour oil on troubled waters? Did she at least slightly commiserate with Saddam's complaints? Not a bit of it!

She instead said in the most neutral wording imaginable that "we [the USA] have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts" such as the dispute with the Kuwaitis.

Seriously. Who at that stage of history would have taken SH for anything other than a bloodsoaked Hobbesian thug who had risen by force and who intended to continue to use force? Who in their right mind would expect that he would view such verbiage as anything other than a green light for continued regional war?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 15, 2014 02:34 AM (noWW6)

22 Yeah. Outstanding post.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at October 15, 2014 02:43 AM (HNuSU)

23 WMD deception was not the mortar holding Saddam's regime together, nor was Iran about to pounce. These are baffling assertions.

And Glaspie's wording to Saddam was very precise, and very deliberate, and the same wording used in every situation where the US was commenting on an inter-Arab border dispute. And - of course - never was, and could never be, interpreted as a green light of any sort for anything in particular.

Not that there was any possiblity of confusion on Saddam's part, as he was very angry over the high-profile US-UAE air exercises which were put on precisely to signal US resolve in reaction to Iraq's crude saber rattling against Kuwait. If I recall correctly, this was in fact one of or the main reasons he summoned Glaspie in the first place.

Nor was it conceivable Saddam could believe that the invasion and annexation of Kuwait would be OK with the US. He was way out of his depth when it came to brutalizing outside his borders. But he had just witnessed the US essentially going to war with Iran to protect Kuwait from Tehran's horizontal escalation aimed at Iraq's war financiers. Even the Carter Doctrineleft nobody in any doubt whatsoever about how the US viewed the security of the Gulf oil states.

Saddam of course knew invading Kuwait meant confrontation and possibly war withthe US. He just believed he could win that confrontation, or even hunker down and outlast us if it came to war.

Even Peter Galbraith never believed a word of the "green light" fantasy as he offered it up for Dem Senators to beclown themselves in the fall of 1990.

But I give up.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 15, 2014 03:01 AM (afQnV)

24 19 Posted by: BuckIV at October 15, 2014 02:19 AM (CLfqv) ---- I agree. Great post, Gabe.

Posted by: Baldy at October 15, 2014 03:02 AM (+35FH)

25 "But he had just witnessed the US essentially going to war with Iran to protect Kuwait from Tehran's horizontal escalation aimed at Iraq's war financiers."

If I had been in Saddam's shoes during the 1980s, and if the weak tea of the US response to the "Tanker War" had been evident to me -- including having my own forces mistakenly lethally rocket an American frigate without a muscular response -- I too would have concluded that the US was a cowardly paper tiger and that America would shrink from involving itself in intra-Gulf disputes.

Let it be posited that "essentially going to war" is not "going to war".

And that those who are going to be deterred only by the prospect of America "going to war" are not going to be deterred by the prospect of America "essentially going to war".

Saddam miscalculated on that. The USA provided Saddam with _ample_ grounds for said miscalculation.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 15, 2014 03:10 AM (noWW6)

26 "Saddam miscalculated on that."


Wow. An admission from torquewrench that there is some degree of blame, no matter how small, that can be assigned to Saddam Hussein.


So while 99% of the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Bush father and son, at least there is some small responsibility that falls to the man who invaded two different neighboring states, used weapons of mass destruction on his neighbors both foreign and domestic and engaged in genocidal slaughter oppressive surveillance and horrific torture as routine methods of governance.

Posted by: One of the jurors at OJ Simpson's murder trial at October 15, 2014 03:24 AM (PD6iL)

27 GM: "Do not let the NYTimes get away with its false history of the Iraq War."

Yep.

This is right up there with the "Mission Accomplished" campaign used to bludgeon Bush. The Administration never said the war was over in the early Shock-And-Awe phase. There was an acknowledgement that the first phase of one of many missions - perhaps the most important phase - was over and that this was a morale boost for the Armed Forces for a job well done. Yes, Bush as CIC would benefit, but it was to publicly celebrate the Armed Forces and not to make the political statement that, "Hey, the War is over and everything is a party in Iraq now."

Bush et al. knew it was going to be a long, hard slog to finish the job and that combating the terrorists and filling the political void in Iraq was going to take time. But the NYeT and its propagandists made it seem like Bush was claiming victory without knowing the war wasn't over.

Communists always know about "Repeating the lie long enough to make it true." Good post, Gabe, to start nipping this mendacious rewrite of history in the bud. There will be more rewrites so we the contemporaneous will need to be vigilant.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 15, 2014 03:49 AM (1CroS)

28 various chemical rounds were used in IEDs over the years as well.

hard to say if that was on purpose, or if the locals just thought it was another HE round.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 15, 2014 03:49 AM (LcaL4)

29 Gabe movie review!

Excellent posting of timeline. How does the quote go, "a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes"? Well when the NYT or the media is doing the lie spreading, I'm pretty sure it makes the loop around and then some, takes the shoes from the truth before are on its feet, and throws them at it, knocking it unconscious. Despise them all.

I hope the truth really does out someday; during my lifetime would be nice. Well off to bed hons! Be good. And go easy on Gabe, he's earned it today.

Posted by: LizLem at October 15, 2014 04:15 AM (c591G)

30 Such a great ONT! How to be, Man. Cut'em up.

Posted by: goon at October 15, 2014 04:29 AM (gNTQS)

31 Credit where it is due: well done, Gabe.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at October 15, 2014 04:48 AM (bUmSq)

32 This thread is one of the reasons I come here. Not only is the post itself top notch but the commentors are too.

Great job Gabe

Posted by: GMB at October 15, 2014 05:05 AM (eKJwv)

33 Well done Gabe. Thanks for the clarity.

Posted by: MTF at October 15, 2014 05:10 AM (3o0Bp)

34 Thanks for this, Gabe. Well done.

I saw the Drudge link to the NYT piece before coming here and thought, "I'll get to see a paragraph teaser of the article" but no, the NYT is allowing the entire article to be read.

Re-writing history means the lie must be fully disseminated to the masses in its entirety.

As to the 'Why Now?' aspect -- imho 1). this is brush-clearing to make Hillary Clinton (who voted in favor of US military action) a more palatable candidate to the left 2). As ISIS gets its hands on chemical weapons (and there are already reports of their use) it will become embarrassingly ugly for the left to have to admit they were wrong -- not that they ever would.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at October 15, 2014 05:16 AM (Zq4s7)

35 An important post, and entirely consistent with my own memory of the period.

I had heard rumors that dribs and drabs of chemical weapon stores had, indeed, been found, but not that enough were found to justify 43's claims of stockpiles.

So, Question: If stockpiles were found justifying 43's casus belli, why was that not trumpeted loud and clear by the Administration and/or the military? What was/is the purpose for keeping the lid on those discoveries?

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at October 15, 2014 05:45 AM (aeVIR)

36 Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur
Petronius

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 15, 2014 05:53 AM (u82oZ)

37 Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur
Petronius


I disagree that the world wanted to be deceived. A segment, perhaps, but I - among many others - wanted vindication for the War. So, why would he deceive those of us who wanted to support him?

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at October 15, 2014 06:13 AM (aeVIR)

38 Damn, NaCly. Petronius? That's mighty...literate of you.

Was that in the Fellini version? I may have missed it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 15, 2014 06:14 AM (xq1UY)

39 The NYT. All the news that's fit to twist and distort.

Walter Duranty.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at October 15, 2014 06:22 AM (V70Uh)

40 Always figured an unspoken casus was more sun tzu.... in battle with the enemy, choose the most favorible grounds on which to do combat. obviously dont want them here. Af-pak is a horrible location, due to geography, topography, populace and logistics. Iraq was bait for all terrorists in the region to come in and fight where it was most favorible to us.

Posted by: A.G. at October 15, 2014 06:23 AM (b0dXT)

41 Great post, Gabe. It's infuriating to watch the left try to cement this lie in place. I think many of them actually believe it themselves.

Posted by: Feh at October 15, 2014 06:26 AM (g/zj9)

42 "Overarching narrative" as cited above is sufficient cause here. I think NYT sees its next Agent Orange. We can get a generation of enforced victimology out of this, and it jibes with recent pronouncements on the helplessness of military volunteers issued by the great minds of Hollywood.

On why some things remain or become secret: that way lies madness. The mere Byzantinism of "our nation's system of" controllable intelligence is enough to explain anything, however portentous or trivial, being trumpeted or sat-upon.

Pray we never actually go to war with the Byzantines. We'd have to try to out-byzantine them. Oh, is that a little cynical? I hate that in myself. It's not getting any better, either.

Frankly I am still reeling from NaCly's Petronian erudition. What a Moron.




Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 15, 2014 06:27 AM (xq1UY)

43 NYT sucks!
Thank you, Gabe.

Posted by: Carol at October 15, 2014 06:30 AM (sj3Ax)

44 Are we still beating this poor dear horse?

Posted by: Horatio Bologna at October 15, 2014 06:32 AM (Dt0ya)

45 This is not news to lots of guys who were over there. We were getting briefs on this back in like '04.

Insurgents were building IEDs out of salvaged artillery shells. Occasionally one would come up that went 'puff' instead of 'boom'.

Posted by: Secundus at October 15, 2014 06:40 AM (0zle0)

46 Gabe, I remind folks that Powell used the word "stockpile" only once in his speech to the UN (where he made the "technical" case after Bush's speech).

It was in reference to the well-known, fully documented and generally-admitted-by-all-to-exist "stockpile of yellowcake" that Saddam had.

Somehow the NYT, WaPo and the usual idiots turned Bush and Powell's item-by-item case (which was fully in compliance with the calls by Clinton and Clinton, by the way) into one where Bushco was claiming Saddam had gigantic underground lairs, ŕ la your more outrageous James Bond villain (underground tram and jumpsuited henchment and everything), where row upon row of gleaming, stainless-steel missiles, ALL containing nuclear warheads or weaponized biowarfare elements were awaiting but one command to be launched, and could hit the US anytime they like.

So thanks for upbraiding the rag of record for dredging up this lunacy yet again.

Posted by: K-Bob at October 15, 2014 06:46 AM (NCOsZ)

47 I'm doing my nails for first time in 15? years if not longer. I keep them short & don't think I've dine them on a regular basis since late 80s. I know I'm old but I'm still alive despie cancer & other near misses.

Sally Hansen nail gel is supposed to be better than salon gel manicures.

We shall see.

Posted by: Carol at October 15, 2014 06:46 AM (sj3Ax)

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 06:46 AM (T2V/1)

49 1. ISIS has, or soon will, sieze and begin using chemical weapons (I think they may have already).

2. This must not be blamed on His Divine Majesty.

3. Bush's fault!

Posted by: Secundus at October 15, 2014 06:47 AM (qcQ7s)

50 Also, folks, the latest vid by Pat Condell is up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsvdg1dkJ4

Goodbye, Sweden.

Posted by: K-Bob at October 15, 2014 06:47 AM (NCOsZ)

51 We can't stop lying! We were abused as children! And it was George W. Bush's fault!

Posted by: NYT at October 15, 2014 06:48 AM (vd4oB)

52 Bomb threat @ Assumption College here in MA. Classes closed & building evacuated & it started at 11 pm last night.

Posted by: Carol at October 15, 2014 06:49 AM (sj3Ax)

53 There is a second positive for ebola hospital worker in Dallas


How has zeros girlfriend and her nephews avoided it? Their quarantine ends on the 19 th.


I think the CDCs protocol is a problem

Posted by: ThunderB at October 15, 2014 06:50 AM (zOTsN)

54 K-Bob,
I'm doing nails for first time in 15-20 years. I'll have to read later.
Thx.

Posted by: Carol at October 15, 2014 06:51 AM (sj3Ax)

55 Drudge has headed the new ebol patient.

Posted by: ThunderB at October 15, 2014 06:52 AM (zOTsN)

56 As the immortal Senator Jesse Helms said "Son, I don't read the New York Times and nobody I care about reads it either."

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at October 15, 2014 06:53 AM (ZG3Fa)

57 Supposedly the reason the Bush Administration didn't trumpet this was that the chemical weapons were from the 1980's and 1990's, not things just made as they had implied Iraq was doing (that they had an active chemical weapons program). Having been so badly pummeled by the treasonous media for all of 2004 and 2005, they didn't want to re-fight and re-lose the argument again.

I don't AGREE with it, but I can understand it, especially seeing how much worse the media has become under the Chicago Thugocracy.

Posted by: acethepug at October 15, 2014 06:55 AM (CWw89)

58 Bush went to war in Iraq to thwart an "active" WMD program, which has never been found. (But Bush did not go to war to deal with any "old" WMD program which have now been found.)

Hmm... Let's see ...Is there a term that describes establishing an untrue premise, then attributing that false premise to your opponent, only to defeat the false premise with your own argument?

Something to do with logical fallacies?

Anyway, it's all battlespace prep for Hillary.


Posted by: Jape at October 15, 2014 06:56 AM (4HYng)

59 As foreshadowed by Dallas mayor when first nurse was diagnosed with Ebola, there is another.

Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2014 06:57 AM (1vYi0)

60 I'll echo the others.. excellent write-up Gabe. I've had the WMD discussion with many over the years pointing out that the whole WMD being the primary cause sold to the people is total bs. Invented by the Dem's and media AFTER they determined they HAD to undermine the war effort for the 2004 Election cycle.

Also, the Mission Accomplished banner falls into that playbook. The donks and media seethed with the video of Bush 43, landing on a carrier, in a flight suit walking on the deck and speaking to the sailors and nation. The optics were awesome and therefore HAD to be undermined at all costs and used against Bush.

So the mission accomplished "banner" was seized on, even though the speech Bush gave on the deck said nothing close to " the wars over" awesome mission accomplished guys!" Pathetic politics from the left ginned all the fake narratives from late 2003 onward until they got Obama elected ... and then suddenly the anti-war folks shut up as Obama has been reckless, feckless and illegal in his use of force. Bush went to the UN and Congress. And that wasn't enough for the left. Obama has done neither and the media and left are pretty much ok with that.... hmmm

Posted by: Yip at October 15, 2014 07:00 AM (84SRe)

61 What about your ggaaaffffffs CDC?

Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2014 07:00 AM (1vYi0)

62 Old and busted: No WMD in iraq. HALLIBURTON!!!!

New hotness: ISIS may gas us all because HALLIBURTON!!!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 15, 2014 07:03 AM (659DL)

63 A Flannel Curtain has descended across Houston.

Posted by: --- at October 15, 2014 07:07 AM (MMC8r)

64 Yes. The AC didn't even come n last night

Posted by: ThunderB at October 15, 2014 07:08 AM (zOTsN)

65 Shocked another Ebola case?

Looks like my Bugout bag to High Country will be in the Silverado before winter.
Sooo Glad I bought 2 pair the Meindell high country boots.

So neighbors, now who expected his ?
That Clown is running a 3 ring circus of the pedestrians worst nightmare.
Nice read above, but current situation has my priorities elsewhere.

Posted by: Chauncey at October 15, 2014 07:09 AM (Q4scy)

66 Looks like another late thread day.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:12 AM (T2V/1)

67
The entire story line about Iraq has been fabricated by the Left. From the beginning, "There was no coalition, there was only Cowboy Bush acting alone", to the WMD lies, everything was made up to fit the agenda of the left as the war progressed.

This came home to roost when the NYT was caught spreading the lie about Bush going it alone while Obama has a coalition. And trust me, the NYT hates, absolutely hates, to be forced to make a correction.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 15, 2014 07:12 AM (h2Df1)

68 They always say winners get to write the history.

We didn't win.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2014 07:14 AM (Dj0WE)

69 68
They always say winners get to write the history.

We didn't win.


Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2014 07:14 AM (Dj0WE)

The problem isn't winners and losers. It is who owns the MFM who lies about everything.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:15 AM (T2V/1)

70 CDC says they still don't knowmhomthe first nurse got it but they say they know how this second person it. Not sure I buy that. I think the protocols are evolving as people keep getting it.


I don't trust them at all . We have different priorities.

Posted by: ThunderB at October 15, 2014 07:16 AM (zOTsN)

71 I realize those folks in Houson are members of the clergy, but the proper response to the idiotic subpoenas is "FU, see you at the Supreme Court."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 15, 2014 07:17 AM (659DL)

72 Recall also that the torching of the Kuwaiti oilfields was going to be an ecological disaster of global consequence, done for spite. Didn't turn out that way because of the efforts of a bunch of awful oilfield trash. Red Adair Company, Boots & Coots, Safety Boss, Joe Bowden and yes Halliburton saved the world. The media will breathlessly lie in their mission to put "the right kind of people" in command of the government.

It is nice to see the Kuwaiti gratitude expressed by the al Sabah royal family. /sarc.

Motherfuckers, all of them.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 15, 2014 07:17 AM (5Z96Q)

73 70
CDC says they still don't knowmhomthe first nurse got it but they say
they know how this second person it. Not sure I buy that. I think the
protocols are evolving as people keep getting it.





I don't trust them at all . We have different priorities.

Posted by: ThunderB at October 15, 2014 07:16 AM (zOTsN)

When/IF we get a day thread I have an article that discusses how the first nurse got it.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:18 AM (T2V/1)

74 A national religious freedom organization has filed suit on behalf of the clergy

Posted by: ThunderB at October 15, 2014 07:18 AM (zOTsN)

75 69 -

Which is how they won.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2014 07:19 AM (Dj0WE)

76 There is a second positive for ebola hospital worker in Dallas

How has zeros girlfriend and her nephews avoided it? Their quarantine ends on the 19 th.



And so it begins.....
Do you know for sure they have avoided it? Have not heard one word about them. They could be a puddle of goo by now.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 07:19 AM (jF0Qs)

77 So this is the dead thread we're haunting this AM I see. Good morning, fappers!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2014 07:19 AM (mx5oN)

78 Another nurse with Ebola.

Welp, looks like it's time to have some new nursery rhymes for the Obama Plague Years(TM):


Prance around the Golf Course
Obama rides a Pale Horse
Ebola, Ebola,
We all fall down

Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2014 07:20 AM (KBvAm)

79 Who left the crazy pills on the counter in Houston?

Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2014 07:20 AM (1vYi0)

80 Looks like one of those days where I have to post the links on the night shift thread.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:20 AM (T2V/1)

81 I'll never understand why the "Mission Accomplished" banner could ever have been understood to refer to anything other than the mission of just the USS Abraham Lincoln, the ship the banner was on.

Bush said "major combat operations" were over. That was true. He also said that Iraq remained "dangerous" and there was much work to do. That too was true.

"Mission Accomplished" is the perfect example of the media fabricating a false narrative to further its own partisan objectives.


Posted by: Jape at October 15, 2014 07:21 AM (4HYng)

82 Reality is defined by the media. What could go wrong?

Posted by: tsj017 at October 15, 2014 07:22 AM (YiIiy)

83 I realize those folks in Houson are members of the clergy, but the proper response to the idiotic subpoenas is



turn the other cheek & tell them to kiss that one too.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 07:22 AM (jF0Qs)

84 Their quarantine ends in four days. So we have to hope the cdc is right that ebola can't incubate longer than 21 days.

Posted by: ThunderB at October 15, 2014 07:22 AM (zOTsN)

85 So can the clergy outside of Houston proper call this Marxist mayor what she really is?

Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2014 07:22 AM (1vYi0)

86 Well it is 7:30 so here goes:



Good Morning Morons. Today is Wednesday, October 15, 2014. On this day in 1917 Mata Hari, World War I spy, was executed by a firing squad in Vincennes, France. She was convicted in a dubious trial but later evidence uncovered in German records show that she was a spy for them.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:23 AM (T2V/1)

87 The incompetent director of the CDC admits errors were made at the TX hospital where the young nurse contracted Ebola from the African national. He has lost all credibility and should resign. Of course, if everyone incompetent in the Obamanite administration resigned there would be no Obama administration.


http://is.gd/3wCJ3Q

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:24 AM (T2V/1)

88 Prance around the Golf Course
Obama rides a Pale Horse
Ebola, Ebola,
We all fall down


Sashay around the Golf Course
Obama rides a Dark Pole
Ebola, Ebola,
We all fall down

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 07:24 AM (jF0Qs)

89 Today's no shit Sherlock moment is that officials admit that computers with sensitive classified information were stolen in the Benghazi raid.


http://is.gd/vi0IT1

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:24 AM (T2V/1)

90 More than a third of WI teachers have dropped out of the teacher's union since the law that ended forced membership was passed. Indeed, all States should outlaw public employee unions.


http://is.gd/AN3rNr

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:24 AM (T2V/1)

91 I'm not fan of the NYTimes, but I seem to recall Powell talking about mobile chemical weapons manufacturing units as part of his presentation.

The implication is an active weapons program.

And why would the Times decide to publish this piece now? I seem to recall similar pieces in the past, right around election time.

Posted by: blindside at October 15, 2014 07:24 AM (HnPjV)

92 Samsung claims to have developed 60ghz WiFi. Wouldn't do me any good. My hardwired internet speed is slower than shit anyway.


http://is.gd/iTavGV

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:24 AM (T2V/1)

93 PA ten year old boy charged as an adult in killing a 90 year old woman. I don't think SC allows adult charges for homicide unless they are 14 or older. But SC laws are really screwed up in this area.


http://is.gd/c9sWIk

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:25 AM (T2V/1)

94 I realize those folks in Houson are members of the clergy, but the proper response to the idiotic subpoenas is

Show up in front of her house en masse and dare the fascist bitch to arrest them. There needs to be a punch back so severe on this that nobody will ever dare try such a stunt again.

Maybe now the churches will start realizing that the LGBT cadre cannot be reasoned with and need to be fought tooth and nail.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 15, 2014 07:25 AM (zF6Iw)

95 I'll never understand why the "Mission Accomplished" banner could ever have been understood to refer to anything other than the mission of just the USS Abraham Lincoln, the ship the banner was on.


Because it's a convenient narrative.

Posted by: --- at October 15, 2014 07:26 AM (MMC8r)

96 The city of Houston once again shows that it is a liberal shit hole.


The city of Houston has issued subpoenas demanding a group of pastors turn over any sermons dealing with homosexuality, gender identity or Annise Parker, the city's first openly lesbian mayor. And those ministers who fail to comply could be held in contempt of court.



The Gaystapo never rests in its quest to kill Christianity and make being a homosexual a practice worshiped by all. I suspect the church could fight this crap.


http://is.gd/llLGVO

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:26 AM (T2V/1)

97 A federal appeals court has reinstated the new TX voter ID law that a circuit court had struck down.


http://is.gd/ha7aXH

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:26 AM (T2V/1)

98 All those chemical weapons Bush said Saddam had were worrisome and a number of US soldiers were exposed to them. But this was hushed up and Bush continued to get shit on for his call out on weapons of mass destruction. I somehow smell Karl Rove's hand in this.


http://is.gd/p6aeZp

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:26 AM (T2V/1)

99 I'm not fan of the NYTimes, but I seem to recall Powell talking about mobile chemical weapons manufacturing units as part of his presentation.

Later debunked. Having said that, I am surprised that a wide swath of the usual suspects have not decapitated themselves from the whipsawing about Iraq lately.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 15, 2014 07:26 AM (659DL)

100 The WHO says the worldwide death rate from the current Ebola mess has reached 70%.


http://is.gd/xGLayw

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:27 AM (T2V/1)

101 More evidence of global cooling is shown as the Great Lakes temps are 6F lower than normal.


http://is.gd/qeT8my

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:27 AM (T2V/1)

102 These are black churches. "Reverend" Al Sharpton, where are you

Posted by: ThunderB at October 15, 2014 07:27 AM (zOTsN)

103 WH reporters have responded to Obama's control of their news releases by creating their own news distribution system with no WH involvement. I will not hold my breath on any changes from this.


http://is.gd/ei0BMC

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:27 AM (T2V/1)

104 A swarm of black yoots storm a Brooklyn deli destroying merchandise and yelling racial slurs. But it is not a "hate crime". All these so called hate crime laws should be repealed. If this was a gang of whites storming a black store yelling slurs you can bet your ass hate crimes would be charged and whoever is replacing that asshole Holder would be on the scene in minutes.


http://is.gd/9UkH6D

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:27 AM (T2V/1)

105 I realize those folks in Houson are members of the clergy, but the proper response to the idiotic subpoenas is



Show up in front of her house en masse and




Uncoil rope, light torches & clang pitchforks......

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 07:28 AM (jF0Qs)

106 AR Dem Senator thinks $200K/year is middle class. Not in AR I would say.


http://is.gd/iCZHg5

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:28 AM (T2V/1)

107 Neil Young thinks Obama should be impeached. Why? He is not liberal enough on watermelon issues.


http://is.gd/s84I3q

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:28 AM (T2V/1)

108 Almost 90 percent of the so-called "unaccompanied children" who were sent by federal agencies to live in Washington D.C. were united with their parents, according to a statement from Democratic Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton.



Yes, everyone knew that the whole program was a sham to break the immigration laws.


http://is.gd/32oKJQ

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:28 AM (T2V/1)

109 Brit Hume calls the CDC director a liar. He is an Obamanite isn't he? So that should go without saying.


http://is.gd/PtAveU

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:28 AM (T2V/1)

110 It is nice of the Houston Mayor to immediately use this law in the way the critics were saying it would be used.

Posted by: --- at October 15, 2014 07:29 AM (MMC8r)

111 More big cuts at CNN and more on the way.


http://is.gd/vbOkOS

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:29 AM (T2V/1)

112 The US is broke but we can send $1.4M to Mexico to support "anti-discrimination" laws. And we don't have enough money to fight Ebola either.


http://is.gd/Kl48S0

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:29 AM (T2V/1)

113 A study shows that government use of imminent domain has no benefit for public revenue. We already saw that after that shitty Kelo ruling which virtually changed the Constitution wording for use of emanate domain then the property was left abandoned and as far as I know still is.


http://is.gd/fPeyIE

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:29 AM (T2V/1)

114 Late to the party...Neal Boortz did a show where he'd read an article that Yellow cake by the tons was found in June of 06, I believe. I found the article once, and wrote about it on TH.com. It's gone to the blog Gulag. I am going to look around again. It was in the tonage.

Posted by: DefendUSA at October 15, 2014 07:29 AM (nAHMK)

115 Reporters were thrown out of a WHO meeting to discuss a worldwide 70% excise tax on cigarettes. This tax will not apply to the US but it has dire implications. When the UN starts getting direct taxing power the precedent is set. (BTW according to WaTi they approved that tax)


http://is.gd/DSO0QE

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:30 AM (T2V/1)

116 Kerry demonstrates that he does not know ISIS, he does not know Islam, and he does not know history. What exactly are his qualifications to be SOS? Well, demonstrated incompetence is a sure fire entry to the Obama administration.


http://is.gd/RsrFBt

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:30 AM (T2V/1)

117 The Gaystapo never rests in its quest to kill Christianity and make being a homosexual a practice worshiped by all. I suspect the church could fight this crap.



I suspect ISIS could fight this crap.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 07:30 AM (jF0Qs)

118 The CDC is now "monitoring" 125 people for Ebola. Which means there is probably 10,000 out there. And if they are still using that stupid infrared temp detector as the primary tool for monitoring you can bet it will get worse because that is worthless for this job.


http://is.gd/sd9k1r

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:30 AM (T2V/1)

119 Aw hell. The UN(!) acknowledged that Saddam could have, left to his own devices, an operational chemical or biological weapons program, which is what Bush said.

As for his nuclear program, he just shipped it out to his fellow Stalinist Ba'ath thug buddy Assad in Syria. For the six months that our forces sat on the Iraqi border waiting to get everyone's permission to proceed, there was an endless shuttle of trucks between Iraq and Syria. All this was seen by aerial and satellite observation.

And what happened next? A year or so later, Syria has their own nuclear weapons facility set up in the Bekaa Valley. Of course, the Israelis find out about it in no time, and promptly turn the place into a smoking hole in the ground. Where the equipment came from, who set it up, oh, none of that is talked about, least of all by the New York Fucking Times.

Oh, and don't forget the stockpile of weapons grade uranium that was found towards the end of the war. It was shipped off to Canada to be reprocessed into nuclear fuel. Oh, but I'm sure Saddam was just going to use that for paper weights or something, right?

On top of Iraq's treaty violations from the first Iraq war, there was plenty of justification for going in there. We did. We won. End of story.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud--SMOD is inbound at October 15, 2014 07:30 AM (l1Nun)

120 More on the watermelon fight against fracking. Their top expert has already proven to be a fraud.


http://is.gd/q5N2fn

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:30 AM (T2V/1)

121 Ebola can be transmitted by air. So says a research center in MN. They also say that the current respirators being used by some people are inadequate and face masks are virtually useless if that is true. But hey, lets bring some more of these infected people into the US.


http://is.gd/qxzHkw

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:31 AM (T2V/1)

122 Want to know why that young nurse has Ebola now. Here is why. I smell a lawsuit coming.


http://is.gd/Lw5Ctx

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:31 AM (T2V/1)

123 The North Carolina GOP is accusing Sen. Kay Hagan of lying about the benefits her family received from the 2009 stimulus for which she voted.



Of course she is lying, but on this score they all are.


http://is.gd/VzSU9c

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:31 AM (T2V/1)

124 Another nursery rhyme for the Obama Plague Years(TM):


Jenny has Ebola
She runs through the town
Upstairs and downstairs
In a bloody gown
Won't somebody help her?
On every door she knocks
But Civil Quarantine's in place
And all those doors stay locked

Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (KBvAm)

125 On Tuesday, former Charlotte, North Carolina Mayor Patrick Cannon (D) will face sentencing after admitting to taking at least $50,000 in bribes from strip club mogul David "Slim" Baucom and federal agents.


Note: He got 44 months in a federal prison. If he had been a Republican they would have thrown away the key.


Cannon, 47, was also fined $10,100 and must forfeit more than $50,000 in assets to recover the bribes he pocketed.


http://is.gd/MwFE4B

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (T2V/1)

126 So while ebola grows a few hours to the north of us, the leadership of houston is more concerned about who is criticizing the lesbian mayor

Posted by: ThunderB at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (zOTsN)

127 100 -

WHO is like the CDC, without the competence and ethics.

Seriously folks, much of your information is coming from a radical international organization that treats "raising awareness" as its primary mission.

10,000 new cases a week?

Really?

Do we look that stupid?

Don't answer that.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (Dj0WE)

128 And speaking of Karl Rove and the RNCe they are refusing to engage on issues that Republicans really want. That shows you what they really think about the base.


http://is.gd/EdEkYw

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (T2V/1)

129 Another Obamanite "civil rights" for blacks promoter to be the next AG? Just what we need, an Eric Holder clone.


http://is.gd/Kxygr2

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (T2V/1)

130
>>>I'll never understand why the "Mission Accomplished" banner could ever have been understood to refer to anything other than the mission of just the USS Abraham Lincoln, the ship the banner was on.

Bush said "major combat operations" were over. That was true. He also said that Iraq remained "dangerous" and there was much work to do. That too was true.

"Mission Accomplished" is the perfect example of the media fabricating a false narrative to further its own partisan objectives.

.
.
.Because the Liberal Left does not understand (or serve usually) in the Military. Things like that are a concept they cant wrap their heads around. So they just assume that Bush was claiming Iraq a success, as that served their purposes nicely.

I tried to explain it to a semi-Lib friend once, but he either couldn't or wouldn't understand.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (h2Df1)

131 Nood.

Posted by: olddog in mo at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (6hrmc)

132 Am I the only one who finds reading the nyt, even excerpted passages, almost impossible to do? It's Iraq War coverage made this so.

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (GcoHq)

133 The rule of thumb for an outbreak was each person who contracted the disease infects two other people.

So Duncan's body count us up to three and we're still waiting to see the final count.

Obama and his cadre are either insanely delusionals or they wanted this. Or they just don't care.

Posted by: Horatio Bologna at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (PV+WH)

134 These are the top 5 candidates the MFM is pushing for the Republicans in 2016. It's not pretty but if things go the way they normally do the most liberal one will get the nod.


http://is.gd/TMtVMN

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:32 AM (T2V/1)

135 Breaking at 05:15 on red alert from Fox News (no link). A second healthcare worker at the Dallas Hospital has come down with Ebola. And based on what I posted earlier it will continue to get worse despite what that idiot in the CDC says.


06:30 now have a link


http://is.gd/tFfPDY

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:33 AM (T2V/1)

136 The Daily Deals


http://is.gd/W65KND



That's it for today folks.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:33 AM (T2V/1)

137 And why would the Times decide to publish this piece now?
Posted by: blindsid



Maybe because the media's own ox is being gored, or more appropriately heads being sawed off.

Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2014 07:34 AM (1vYi0)

138 More on the watermelon fight against fracking. Their top expert has already proven to be a fraud.


http://is.gd/q5N2fn
Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2014 07:30 AM (T2V/1)


The successful killing of nuclear power by leftards is the model:

Nuisance lawsuits and more nuisance lawsuits until it is financially impossible to frack any longer.

Then we can fully embrace our energy poor, poverty stricken 3rd world status.

Yay.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2014 07:35 AM (KBvAm)

139 WHO said incubation was around 40 days -- not 21. This hospital didn't ask for this shit to be dumped on them by the feds. It is Obama's fault since they refuse to ban travel. All these screenings are ineffective. Even if only a few get through, it means American lives. Look at all the money spent on the necessary care. And if Dr. Brantley gets bled dry or hit by a car-they better have a new source for transfusions.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 07:36 AM (iQIUe)

140 So we found WMDs, the press said no WMDs were found, and the Bush administration keeps quiet about it?

And one of the results is we have Pres Ebola for 8 years.

Posted by: Ken at October 15, 2014 07:36 AM (UjKoy)

141 Jenny has Ebola
She runs through the town
Upstairs and downstairs
In a bloody gown
Won't somebody help her?
On every door she knocks
But Civil Quarantine's in place
And all those doors stay locked


Golf clap.

#KnockKnockStayLocked

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 07:36 AM (jF0Qs)

142 95 I'll never understand why the "Mission Accomplished" banner could ever have been understood to refer to anything other than the mission of just the USS Abraham Lincoln, the ship the banner was on.


Because it's a convenient narrative



Because showing a confident, victorious W surrounded by confident, victorious military who obviously approve of him was anathema to the progs. They had to mock and sully and destroy this moment, and they did.

Posted by: Gem at October 15, 2014 07:36 AM (zw+pb)

143 @drawandstrike had an interesting take.

This is all laying the ground for Hillary.

Lest we forget, the only reason Hillary lost the nomination was that Barack Obama had not voted for the Iraq war. As we discovered, this was not at all because he was some sort of principled anti-war activist. It was because the Democrats had decided to use the Iraq war as a partisan bludgeon but they had the problem that all their candidates voted for it, but one. Because he wasn't in the Senate yet.

That being said, I think Gabe has nailed the timing. The reason this story isn't waiting for 4 more weeks is that ISIS might actually get its hands on some chemical weapons and they're afraid people will ask "So where did those come from?"

Posted by: AmishDude at October 15, 2014 07:38 AM (b4b5c)

144 And we found WMDs, but somehow left stashes behind. And now ISIS has them. So we failed in the very reason we went in, to prevent terrorist organizations from acquiring WMDs.

The imcompetence of our leaders is amazing.

Posted by: Ken at October 15, 2014 07:40 AM (UjKoy)

145
It seems that all the fergie nuts have gone home or joined occupy st. louis. One ahole says they want a dorm on campus when it gets cold. Bella or Bellow keeps screaming "what about my babyyyyyy" Sheesh, put a cork in it and try taking care of your baby b/c you are't doing it, lady.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 07:41 AM (iQIUe)

146 Headlines thread up.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 15, 2014 07:41 AM (zF6Iw)

147
economy remains in the shitter
inflation rampant
ISIS
ebola
entereo
and they are still demanding amnesty
irs scandals
benghazi scandals

All because of Obama...

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 07:44 AM (iQIUe)

148
The much maligned David Greenglass died in July, it was announced yesterday. I'm sure the creepy meerpols will desecrate his grave. They are lefty to the core.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 07:50 AM (iQIUe)

149 Speaking of the Bush trip to the USS Abraham Lincoln, I love this radio exchange between the ship and the plane as it is about to land.

Abraham Lincoln LSO: "Navy 1, call the ball."

Navy 1 pilot: "Navy 1, 18,000 (fuel aboard). We have the balls".

Gotta love it...

Posted by: The Oort Cloud--SMOD is inbound at October 15, 2014 07:52 AM (l1Nun)

150 Bush stayed on the ground and let the a Democrats kick him again and again.

The Democrats of every type worked day and night to injure the USA.

This kind of shit can't go on forever.

Posted by: eman at October 15, 2014 08:05 AM (MQEz6)

151 Excellent essay, Gabriel. Thank you.

Posted by: nick at October 15, 2014 08:43 AM (EMQZg)

152 An excellent analysis and tear down of the NYT meme. Kudos.

So now somebody riddle me this. Bush, based on the revelations in this NYT piece had `the goods` to bury the Left and their cock-eyed Sheehan induced meme.

Why didn't he?

Posted by: JohnMc at October 15, 2014 09:29 AM (RHBWt)

153 What about the yellowcake uranium from Niger that later turned out to be false, and was actually known to be false at the time Bush said it? What about the radio intercepts played by Colin Powell at the UN, in which Iraqi military personnel were talking about a "secret weapon," which Powell inferred was some form of WMD? What about trucks and buildings at some compound in the desert, which turned out to be nothing? All of those were reasons that Bush and Cheney gave as the casus belli, and all had an element of immediacy about them, without which Iraq would not have been viewed as a threat to national security. Please, stop the revisionist history.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at October 15, 2014 09:44 AM (XsOa7)

154 Yeahbut, why did military keep chem discoveries secret?

Posted by: Balaam's Jackass at October 15, 2014 09:47 AM (Zq+6p)

155 Gabe, I have first-hand accounts of this from my time there. Look at URL in my sig... over on Blackfive

Posted by: Mr Wolf at October 15, 2014 10:11 AM (wLKxc)

156 This is to cover Clinton's vote for war. Nothing else.

Posted by: oxrock at October 15, 2014 10:14 AM (zLKTJ)

157 Gabe, Gabe, Gabe, who exactly do you think you are letting the facts get in the way of fun and compelling story!?!

Nice to see the comments over at that Times article liberally sprinkled with challenges of the article's theme and assertions of non-facts. The cynics among us see this as a story designed, in theme and timing, to distract the electorate from the malfeasance of the president and his Democrat colleagues running for re-election.

Posted by: steve walsh at October 15, 2014 10:46 AM (gB9nl)

158 It read so nice it had to be posted twice.

Posted by: Misantrhopic Humanitarian in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 15, 2014 10:52 AM (F2IAQ)

159 This horse is dead. Beaten into a grease spot on the interstate with wheel marks extending nearly a mile.

Nothing left but a bit of horsehair mashed into the pavement.

Posted by: Horatio Bologna at October 15, 2014 10:53 AM (+ns2U)

160 This kind of shit can't go on forever.
Posted by: eman at Octobe

but it will. The GOPe has no backbone. And it's way past time our former President opened his pie hole and defended himself.

Posted by: Misantrhopic Humanitarian in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 15, 2014 10:53 AM (F2IAQ)

161 This kind of shit can't go on forever.
Posted by: eman at Octobe

but it will. The GOPe has no backbone. And it's way past time our former President opened his pie hole and defended himself.

Posted by: Misantrhopic Humanitarian in the lab of the utility muffin research kitchen at October 15, 2014 10:53 AM (F2IAQ)

162 Rather simple: Dems voted for the war in 2003 when it was all the rage. When they needed to get Bush and Repubs out, they turned on it fast.

A responsible media would call out this blatant lack of commitment as a political ploy, and chastise them for politicizing a war in which human lives are at stake. An evil, corrupt media would be complicit.

Sadly, we're saddled with the latter.

Posted by: Dem Hater since '04 at October 15, 2014 10:53 AM (lJJaE)

163 This horse is dead. Beaten into a grease spot on the interstate with wheel marks extending nearly a mile.
Nothing left but a bit of horsehair mashed into the pavement.



I thought those marks on my steak looked like tire tracks.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 10:57 AM (jF0Qs)

164 Well hell. Perhaps Bush could have made some small effort to defend his policies (or hired someone to do it) instead of stammering around for 4 years like a dyslexic moron. Or perhaps if he had been a member of an active political party that could have 'taken up the fight'.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 15, 2014 10:59 AM (SaMXZ)

165 I don't know. Daily Show made a bunch of jokes about how Bush couldn't find the WMD factories he lied about, sooo ... pretty sure Bush promised they were there.

Daily Show guy even made funny face at the camera. Like wacky "I Can't Believe Bush Is Such A Liar" faces. Monkey faces. We laughed and laughed.

Daily Show guy wouldn't lie to me.

Posted by: Confused in Brooklyn at October 15, 2014 10:59 AM (ZPrif)

166 Marvelously written post, Gabe. I lost liberal friends over that 'Bush lied, people died' canard when I confronted them with a laundry list of Iraq's actions leading up to the war. And even putting aside Saddam's WMDs and other aggressor state moves, there was the fact of his attempted assassination of former President of the United States George H. W. Bush. The Left, when confronted, never responds to that one, ever. It's as if the life of Bush the Elder didn't count somehow. Infuriating.

That said, the Left has to explain all of these people dying from gas attacks originating from Saddam's stockpiles. They have to get out in front of it, explain it, lay out talking points.

If the Republican Party is unable or unwilling to use this outrageous Leftist agitprop against the Democrats in this and the next election, then the GOP truly is too moribund and worthless to support anymore, ready to go the way of the Whigs.

Posted by: troyriser at October 15, 2014 10:59 AM (ptcFO)

167 Nobody is going to parse that story to look for inconsistencies. It's the NYT. Their readers won't even read the article, since it still goes against a narrative about NO WMD IN IRAQ.

Posted by: Roy at October 15, 2014 11:00 AM (VndSC)

168 How many thousands of chem weapons did US discover in Iraq? I read at least 5000.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:00 AM (ZPrif)

169 Hi there!

Posted by: 800 lb Fascist Lesbian Mayor Gorilla at October 15, 2014 11:01 AM (AjhBj)

170 Bush did manage to put up a slide about looking for WMD in his official office.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 15, 2014 11:01 AM (SaMXZ)

171 IS has WMDs which were not WMDs during Bush but were WMDs before Bush because Bush. Yup, makes perfect sense.

Posted by: NY Times at October 15, 2014 11:01 AM (fBxC6)

172 Lest we forget, the only reason Hillary lost the nomination was that Barack Obama had not voted for the Iraq war.

----

I agree that this appears to be prep for HRC. And I agree her support of the war did not help her with the left. But I cannot agree that she only lost the 2006 nomination because of the war.

She is a lousy candidate and a lousy politician. Her best asset is her husband, and frankly his best political days are behind him.

Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:01 AM (gmeXX)

173 These are not the WMDs that you are looking for...

Posted by: Obiwan Kenobi at October 15, 2014 11:02 AM (VndSC)

174
Saddam played a spectacularly bad hand of poker. He *acted* as if he had WMD. Everyone, at home and abroad, believed that he did.

The fact that we did not discover an active WMD program could only be known ex post facto.

And America, at the time, was very much not in a mood to be trifled with.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 15, 2014 11:02 AM (JtwS4)

175 174
Saddam played a spectacularly bad hand of poker.
----------------------------

He played a bad game of Hangman too.

Posted by: Roy at October 15, 2014 11:03 AM (VndSC)

176 He *acted* as if he had WMD.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 15, 2014 11:02 AM (JtwS4)
------
It is even possible he actually thought he had active programs.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 15, 2014 11:04 AM (SaMXZ)

177 Nothing will happen to the reporters who lied about all this.

Not. One. Thing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2014 11:05 AM (0HooB)

178 NYTimes lies, more at 11.

Posted by: toby928(C) at October 15, 2014 11:05 AM (rwI+c)

179 It's interesting the NYT doesn't really want to focus on the current Kurd massacre--so they do this slight of hand instead.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:06 AM (RJMhd)

180 Hey I read this post! Sure the old bump and grind from this guy Ace.


btw. great one Gabe. Thanks.

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 15, 2014 11:06 AM (QdqbP)

181 Saddam played a spectacularly bad hand of poker. He *acted* as if he had WMD. Everyone, at home and abroad, believed that he did.

The fact that we did not discover an active WMD program could only be known ex post facto.

And America, at the time, was very much not in a mood to be trifled with.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 15, 2014 11:02 AM (JtwS4)


I like to have fun with my friends on the Left where I point out that the various and sundry intelligence services lying about Iraq having WMD is a far more comforting thought than the thought that pretty much every intelligence service in the world being wrong about what was then one of the most important issues on the planet.

Yeah. I generally get wide eyed looks of horror when that penny drops.


Posted by: alexthechick - Sorry my existence disproves your assumptions at October 15, 2014 11:06 AM (mf5HN)

182 I've long supported the invasion of Iraq and the subsequent surge. I expected us to keep a presence there for a long time (note not fight for a long time).

Looking back, I don't think I could support it. But only because I know in hindsight that our country was willing to just give back everything we fought for.

Its a shame.

Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:06 AM (gmeXX)

183 Yeah, I used some weapons of mass destruction just last night on the invasion of these Islamist field mice in my kitchen. Little bastards get into everything and piss on what they don't eat.


A couple of nights ago DH got two with one trap, which I believe is a record. They were probably gay and doing what gay mice do.


And so the culture wars continue apace at the tcn household.

Posted by: tcn at October 15, 2014 11:07 AM (g+qqc)

184 171 IS has WMDs which were not WMDs during Bush but were WMDs before Bush because Bush. Yup, makes perfect sense.

Posted by: NY Times at October 15, 2014 11:01 AM (fBxC6)



and Cheney and Haliburton and OIL, and the military industrial complex...there now its complete.

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 15, 2014 11:08 AM (QdqbP)

185 No one is really to blame for the Iraq War.

Posted by: Leon Panetta and famous Democrats everywhere at October 15, 2014 11:08 AM (LISuA)

186 *sleight* of hand.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:08 AM (RJMhd)

187 and the Middle Class!

Posted by: toby928(C) at October 15, 2014 11:09 AM (rwI+c)

188 All true, and an excellent post from Gabe. But nobody who actually reads the NYT will care, nor will the LIVs.

Posted by: Stu-22 at October 15, 2014 11:09 AM (AiYlm)

189 Saudi Arabia did 9/11.

Bush did NOTHING to them.

Posted by: Smedley at October 15, 2014 11:10 AM (FYZ9X)

190
I don't think any conservative can read a NYT article with out skepticism. I was reading their David Greenglass obit and they still couldn't help themselves from skewing the facts in favor of the commies.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:10 AM (iQIUe)

191 you know.....it's depressing when you are right 99% of the time but made to feel like you are wrong by the same percentage

#VINDICATION not that it helps the world..... but punching a liberal in the face will get you jail time

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at October 15, 2014 11:10 AM (u8GsB)

192 I don't see how any of this helps my political persecution of Houston area churches.

Posted by: Mayor Parker at October 15, 2014 11:10 AM (DrWcr)

193 Don't know why, but it feels like I'm relevant again.

Posted by: Norah Jones at October 15, 2014 11:11 AM (Ks4nX)

194 The same guy that filed those WMD reports about Saddam's cache also created those Global Warming climate models and the CDC's infectious disease protocols. He currently is in charge of programming TOTUS for Obama.

Posted by: Roy at October 15, 2014 11:12 AM (VndSC)

195 188 All true, and an excellent post from Gabe. But nobody who actually reads the NYT will care, nor will the LIVs.

Posted by: Stu-22 at October 15, 2014 11:09 AM (AiYlm)


This. have relatives still in NY. They ARE these. The NYT IS true....and the only thing they read, and they think because of that they are more informed than the rest of the country. I swear its like watching people talk about the unicorn they saw in the parking lot.

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 15, 2014 11:13 AM (QdqbP)

196 He currently is in charge of programming TOTUS for Obama.
Posted by: Roy at October 15, 2014 11:12 AM (VndSC)

Baghdad Bob? Is that you?

Posted by: tcn at October 15, 2014 11:13 AM (g+qqc)

197 And CBS weighed in this morning, parroting the NYC Times line.

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 15, 2014 11:13 AM (JKNZq)

198 She is a lousy candidate and a lousy politician. Her best asset is her husband, and frankly his best political days are behind him.

Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:01 AM (gmeXX)


Bill Clinton's speech at the 2012 Democratic Convention put Obama over the top. Did you see that speech? Have you paid attention when watching Bill Clinton work a crowd?

Had a friend big in Indiana state Democratic circles who met Bill Clinton once, shortly after he was no longer President. I can't remember the occasion but do remember he said it was informal. He said Clinton has a way of making you feel like you're the most important person in the room, that when you talk to the man he is absolutely focused and responsive to what you have to say. My friend has met other big-time politicians but none, he said, came close to Bill Clinton. The man is a genuinely gifted politician.

So forget Hillary. Bill is the one to beat.

Posted by: troyriser at October 15, 2014 11:13 AM (ptcFO)

199 "I don't know. Daily Show made a bunch of jokes about how Bush couldn't find the WMD factories he lied about"

Gee whiz, Wally. You want to know who else made lame jokes about Bush's failure to find WMD?

GEORGE W. BUSH HIMSELF.

At one of those goddamned self-congratulatory-political-insider "nerd prom" White House Correspondents' Dinner galas. The Bush White House actually filmed Dubya wandering around the Oval Office, looking behind curtains and under couches, for "the missing WMD".

Oh, har har. How amusing. How risible. What a belly laugh.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 15, 2014 11:14 AM (noWW6)

200
Dog thinks he's a ambulance:

http://goo.gl/RQ5gop

He could have fooled me!

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:15 AM (iQIUe)

201 Breaking

Second patient flew from Cleveland to Dallas Monday.

So they are asking for passengers on that flight to contact the CDC

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:15 AM (RJMhd)

202 that's not good

Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 3m
RT @BreakingNews: CDC, Frontier Airlines say 2nd healthcare worker with Ebola traveled by air on Oct. 13

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:15 AM (ZPrif)

203
201 Breaking

Second patient flew from Cleveland to Dallas Monday.

So they are asking for passengers on that flight to contact the CDC

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:15 AM (RJMhd)


heh.

Posted by: Zombies at October 15, 2014 11:16 AM (QdqbP)

204 She flew Monday, reported fever Tuesday--because of that proximity of events they want the passengers on that Frontier flight to contact the CDC

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:16 AM (RJMhd)

205 Saudi Arabia did 9/11.

Bush did NOTHING to them.


Hey, remember February 26, 1993? Wasn't that great?

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 15, 2014 11:16 AM (ajoA1)

206 "83 I realize those folks in Houson are members of the clergy, but the proper response to the idiotic subpoenas is



turn the other cheek & tell them to kiss that one too.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 07:22 AM (jF0Qs) "


I think that the proper response is for the ministers to say that their sermons are not given in secret. The Mayor and her cronies are welcome to sit in the pews every Sunday and listen. They might benefit from the experience.

Posted by: Obnoxios A-Hole at October 15, 2014 11:17 AM (PD6iL)

207 For the zero morons who care, I have always been in Barnett's camp: the *real* reason we went into Iraq was to cause a seismic, quantum cultural change to the Middle East. End of story.

I tell that to all the libtards online and in person but, without hyperbole, they are not smart enough to understand it.

Cf, Japan's culture was fundamentally transformed (for the better) by being occupied for a generation or so.

Note: Our work enabled the Arab Spring which Obama f'd up.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 15, 2014 11:17 AM (X/+QT)

208 Second patient flew from Cleveland to Dallas Monday.

and so it begins.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at October 15, 2014 11:18 AM (rwI+c)

209 Troyriser-

I'm not saying Bill is formidable. But his best days are behind him. 4 years is a long time at his age. He is one of the most skilled politicians of my lifetime (if not the top), so clearly he is an asset. But as skilled as he is, HRC is on the opposite side, and she will be the candidate (if she event runs). I just don't fear her in any way.

By the way your story is over 14 years old. It illustrates my point. Bill is skilled, but every skill diminishes. He is also older, he will not have the stamina. And he has already succeeded. He's been at the top, hard to find the motivation to get there again, particularly when your legacy is set and you are living the good life.

I stand by my statement. His best days are behind him. Well behind him. If HRC runs, she will have to be the one to deliver victory. History bets against this.

Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:19 AM (gmeXX)

210 Thank you! Finally, I read what I have been thinking about for years. Even the Bush team do not seem to present this part of the story. It was incumbent on Hussein to prove he had gotten rid of these weapons and he didn't. Plus he was shooting at our planes patrolling the no fly zones etc. The media and Obama have made this all about "we didn't find WMDs." I've never understood why Bush and his team did not gently explain to those short of attention span and memory, that it was not our responsibility to find those weapons.

Posted by: MikeM at October 15, 2014 11:19 AM (RFuHo)

211 I think that the proper response is for the ministers to say that their sermons are not given in secret. The Mayor and her cronies are welcome to sit in the pews every Sunday and listen. They might benefit from the experience.

Perfect.

Posted by: toby928(C) at October 15, 2014 11:19 AM (rwI+c)

212 "I'm not fan of the NYTimes, but I seem to recall Powell talking about mobile chemical weapons manufacturing units as part of his presentation. The implication is an active weapons program."

You're not the only one who remembers that, and Powell pulled out all the stops on his rhetoric.

This coming right in the wake of anthrax attacks by mail that had absolutely terrified the country. Powell made it sound as though the only conclusion any reasonable individual could possibly come to was that the preponderance of the evidence led to Iraq as the culprit.

I personally listened to Powell's case and concluded quite correctly that it was all a load of total bullshit. Because Colin Powell. End of.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 15, 2014 11:19 AM (noWW6)

213 Frontier Airlines say 2nd healthcare worker with Ebola traveled by air on Oct. 13
Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:15 AM (ZPrif)

It's bad enough that she had to fly Frontier, but now Ebola?

Posted by: tcn at October 15, 2014 11:20 AM (g+qqc)

214 Operation Just Enough Not To Be Mocked is no officially Operation Inherent Resolve.

Jake Tapper @jaketapper
The name of the operation against ISIS is Operation Inherent Resolve, Gen. Martin Dempsey tells CNN's Kyra Phillips.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:20 AM (ZPrif)

215 This. have relatives still in NY. They ARE these. The NYT IS true....and the only thing they read, and they think because of that they are more informed than the rest of the country. I swear its like watching people talk about the unicorn they saw in the parking lot.
Posted by: Viv Savage at October 15, 2014 11:13 AM (QdqbP)

Having the NYT delivered to one's door is the proper accessory for Libs. It is a must, just like a Prada purse, or the latest organic salad. To have it be seen on one's table or counter immediately lets everyone know that you are highly artistic, sophisticated, urban wise, and politically advanced.

The content is meaningless, as most of it simply reinforces the Libs mantras that they repeat to each other daily to make sure they don't have "other thoughts".

Posted by: Jen at October 15, 2014 11:20 AM (H2RaY)

216 Frontier 1143 Cleveland to Dallas this Monday-

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:20 AM (RJMhd)

217 When we invaded Iraq... there were large convoys of trucks that went to Syria...

The very Syria where Assad disclosed a lot of Chem Weapon stuff last year...

They same Syria where ISIS found the means to produce various low tech Chemical Weapons... and use them...

Some assembly required...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2014 11:21 AM (f0pWu)

218 TheBlazeNOW @TheBlazeNOW 4m
STATEMENT: CDC, Frontier Airlines asking 132 passengers who flew Cleveland to Dallas Oct. 13 to check in.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:21 AM (ZPrif)

219 we've seen this press coverage/gov't cover up before:

ebola = chemical weapons in iraq

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at October 15, 2014 11:21 AM (u8GsB)

220 Ebolanado 2: We're Not in Dallas Anymore

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 15, 2014 11:21 AM (fIv/H)

221 At one of those goddamned self-congratulatory-political-insider "nerd prom" White House Correspondents' Dinner galas.

-----

I'd probably consider voting for HRC if she promised to stop doing those stupid undignified nerd proms and state of the union addresses.

Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:22 AM (gmeXX)

222 Operation..... SQUIRREL!

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at October 15, 2014 11:22 AM (32Ze2)

223 Operation Incredulous Truculence was taken already, I guess?

Posted by: Bill Clinton, pull my cigar at October 15, 2014 11:23 AM (ajoA1)

224 218 TheBlazeNOW @TheBlazeNOW 4m
STATEMENT: CDC, Frontier Airlines asking 132 passengers who flew Cleveland to Dallas Oct. 13 to check in.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:21 AM (ZPrif)


C'mon peeps. Check in. Please.

But if you can't, that's totes cool.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 15, 2014 11:23 AM (oFCZn)

225 220 Ebolanado 2: We're Not in Dallas Anymore
Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 15, 2014 11:21 AM (fIv/H)

*******

Cleveland.

Oh man.

I might have Browned my shorts.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:24 AM (RJMhd)

226 They should name the ISIS operation "Operation Inherently Lazy," then we'd have a real war for oil.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2014 11:24 AM (0HooB)

227 I'm not saying Bill is formidable. But his best
days are behind him. 4 years is a long time at his age. He is one of
the most skilled politicians of my lifetime (if not the top), so clearly
he is an asset. But as skilled as he is, HRC is on the opposite side,
and she will be the candidate (if she event runs). I just don't fear
her in any way.





Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:19 AM (gmeXX)


People keep referring to Bill Clinton as a "Skilled Politician". Skilled at what? Getting dumb bumble fucks to admire him? I pegged him for a lying sack of shit con artist right from the very beginning. He is not "skilled" he is only the beneficiary of a Media protection system.

If he had a hostile media (as did Reagan) he would have been a greasy spot back in 1992. We would not even now know his name.

Once again, Bill Clinton's success is not his own, he merely represents the success of New York Liberal Democrat Union members in controlling the "news."


Posted by: D-Lamp at October 15, 2014 11:24 AM (txvbW)

228 Everyone has AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS!
Everyone has AIDS!

And so this is the end of our story
And everyone is dead from AIDS
It took from me my best friend
My only true pal
My only bright star (he died of AIDS)

Well I'm gonna march on Washington
Lead the fight and charge the brigades
There's a hero inside of all of us
I'll make them see everyone has AIDS

My father (AIDS!)
My sister (AIDS!)
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS AIDS AIDS!)
The gays and the straights
And the whites and the spades

Everyone has AIDS!
My grandma and my dog 'ol blue (AIDS AIDS AIDS)
The pope has got it and so do you (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
C'mon everybody we got quilting to do (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
We gotta break down these barricades, everyone has
AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS

Posted by: Gary Johnston at October 15, 2014 11:25 AM (vgIRn)

229 Operation Sand Wedge

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 15, 2014 11:25 AM (oFCZn)

230
Ah! That new history smell! Like bacon grilling or lilacs in the spring there is no smell quite like the smell of new history, freshly laundered, properly sanitized and carefully spun!

Posted by: JB1000 at October 15, 2014 11:26 AM (16OL0)

231 If he had a hostile media (as did Reagan) he would have been a greasy spot back in 1992. We would not even now know his name.

Or 1988. The press knew about Whitewater and sat on it.

Posted by: toby928(C) at October 15, 2014 11:26 AM (rwI+c)

232 alexthechick, you bring up a key point, and yet another failure during the Bush years to educate/refute and thereby make the country stronger and safer.

There's a reason they're called intelligence "estimates". They're mostly wrong. All the time (at least to some degree). That's the norm, esp. against a closed society practicing active deception.

But guess what, kids? The burden is not on the US intel community, or its allies in the UK and France, or its friendly (for this purpose) services in Egypt and Jordan to, as if by magic, peer through the screens of a closed totalitarian society practicing deception and divine the fine-grained truth.

The burden is on the uniquely aggressive, reckless, terrorist-supporting regime with an undisputed history of massive and diverse WMD programs, CW use. The regime in open non-compliancewith duly approved UN resolutions enacted under Chapter 6, and thus enforceable. The regime that represented, by far, thegreatest potential for creating that shaded part of a Venn diagram where the circle on the left is "Global Terrorism" and the circle on the right is "State-provided WMD".

Someone above noted, in reference to Saddam's ultimately disastrousdeception game, that he played a poker hand very badly. Ihave always preferred to say that the Iraqi regime attempted suicide three times (1980, 1990, 2003), and finally got it right. Brings in more ofthe relevant context that Saddam was, outside his borders, as clueless as a NYT editor.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 15, 2014 11:26 AM (afQnV)

233 Hell I remember Hans Blix stating as late as Dec 2002 that there were still 12k tons of VX that were unaccounted for in Iraq.


So do all of these intellectual titans think that simply stopping the production of WMDs means you can safely ignore what was already produced?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 15, 2014 11:26 AM (xSCb6)

234 Having the NYT delivered to one's door is the proper accessory for Libs. It is a must, just like a Prada purse, or the latest organic salad. To have it be seen on one's table or counter immediately lets everyone know that you are highly artistic, sophisticated, urban wise, and politically advanced.


Posted by: Jen at October 15, 2014 11:20 AM (H2RaY)


I like to think of it as a sure fire way for Lord Humungus to pick the new hood ornaments for his apocalypse car.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 15, 2014 11:27 AM (FMbng)

235 Operation Insufficient Resolve
Operation Inherently Flawed
Operation Insanity Squared

Posted by: Brother Cavil at October 15, 2014 11:27 AM (rt3TY)

236 Operation Pantload

Posted by: tcn at October 15, 2014 11:27 AM (g+qqc)

237 You missed a spot over the-e-e-ere.

Posted by: Stacy's Mom at October 15, 2014 11:28 AM (Ks4nX)

238
There wee 5 murders in the St.Louis area in the pass 36 hours. And the occupy nuts whine that the police are jumpy.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:28 AM (iQIUe)

239 Inherent Resolve? WTF does that mean?

Posted by: LIVs at October 15, 2014 11:28 AM (fBxC6)

240 Maybe we could ask the ER nurses to not hop on a plane an hour after their shift at the Ebola ward is over.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:29 AM (ZPrif)

241 Inherent Resolve? WTF does that mean?

They were gonna name it Operation Scotchguard before that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2014 11:29 AM (0HooB)

242
Seems that the 2nd RN took a flight to Cleveland and back this weekend. So, if you flew Frontier Air, call the CDC.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:29 AM (iQIUe)

243 So what's gnu? The New York Times lies for its perceived higher purpose. Which is to push an agenda, damn the consequences.

What about Libya's store of liquid Mustard agent that the country still possessed when this President toppled Qaddafi? Where are those tons of agent now that Libya is in chaos again?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:31 AM (waEDw)

244 I heard that she attended Paltrow's fundraiser for Obola -- pass it on!

Can you imagine if Paltrow was exposed to ebola? She's be drinking bleach. lol

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:31 AM (iQIUe)

245 Maybe we could ask the ER nurses to not hop on a plane an hour after their shift at the Ebola ward is over.


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This is unnecessary fear mongering since there is nothing to fear about the Ebola virus.

Posted by: Doctor who will not enter patient's room except with complete biohazard suit at October 15, 2014 11:31 AM (gmeXX)

246 Is the CDC going to contact trace the people she was with in Cleveland? I can't believe she was allowed to fly. I don't believe anything the CDC says about levels of risk. She was considered to be low-risk, right?

This country is a couple more cases away from pure panic.

Posted by: freemo at October 15, 2014 11:31 AM (S9MqK)

247 Operation Itinerant Rastafarians.

Posted by: Bill Clinton, pull my cigar at October 15, 2014 11:31 AM (ajoA1)

248
I'm not interested whatsoever in relitigating Bush Iraq invasion.

But you know who is? obama and hillary clunton, that's who.

Don't think for a second this NYT piece wasn't coordinated with obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer is MR MICROPHONE at October 15, 2014 11:32 AM (n0pt/)

249
Tag-- you're it! And you, too, tag!

Posted by: Ebola at October 15, 2014 11:32 AM (iQIUe)

250 So, if you flew Frontier Air, call the CDC.
Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:29 AM (iQIUe)


I thought the only backlash from flying Frontier were the late flights, charging for water, surly attendants and inability to serve the customer.

Turns out you could get dead, too.

Yet another reason to book on Delta.

Posted by: tcn at October 15, 2014 11:32 AM (g+qqc)

251 So the NYTimes says there was a "stockpile of WMD" in Iraq ?

Putting a lie to the story that there were no "stockpiles of WMD" ?

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 15, 2014 11:32 AM (e8kgV)

252 Hope you Ohio morons/ettes are all up to speed on your personal protective equipment.....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 15, 2014 11:32 AM (wtvvX)

253 How the hell can the armed forces have an operation without a name? How can they possibly reference it in planning documents? No planning documents or "various kinetic actions in Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere"?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 15, 2014 11:33 AM (SaMXZ)

254 Operation Itinerant Rastafarians.
Posted by: Bill Clinton



Operation Incontinent Pastafarians

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 11:33 AM (jF0Qs)

255 Asking nurses not to fly is racist and stigmatizing to nurses.


And Airplanes.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 15, 2014 11:33 AM (xSCb6)

256 If there is ebola in Cleveland--ebola in experiments survives on surfaces best at about 4 degrees Celsius--which is about --what's the temp in Cleveland right now?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:33 AM (RJMhd)

257 So are the disinfecting the airplane, or has it been in service for all this time carrying Ebola?

Posted by: tcn at October 15, 2014 11:34 AM (g+qqc)

258 "182 I've long supported the invasion of Iraq and the subsequent surge. I expected us to keep a presence there for a long time (note not fight for a long time).

Looking back, I don't think I could support it. But only because I know in hindsight that our country was willing to just give back everything we fought for.

Its a shame.

Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:06 AM (gmeXX) "


Yes. We forgot the lesson of Vietnam which is that Democrats cannot stand to see the United States win any military victories so as soon as they are back in power they will not rest until they have thrown away all the sacrifices and accomplishments of America's fighting men.

Posted by: Obnoxios A-Hole at October 15, 2014 11:34 AM (PD6iL)

259 I thought the only backlash from flying Frontier were the late flights,
charging for water, surly attendants and inability to serve the
customer.


Midwest used to give me cookies.

Posted by: HR at October 15, 2014 11:34 AM (/kI1Q)

260 The WMD lie will live on, just like Sarah Palin supposedly saying "I can see Russia from my house".

Posted by: JHW at October 15, 2014 11:34 AM (5G4F7)

261
So, everybody's life changes to accommodate sick people who sneak into this coutry. I was thinking about having everything you owned in your apt or house carted out and burned if you get ebola. There go all your photos, letters, etc.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:34 AM (iQIUe)

262 So the NYTimes says there was a "stockpile of WMD" in Iraq ?

Putting a lie to the story that there were no "stockpiles of WMD" ?


They could print two totally opposite sets of "facts" two days in a row and not care.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that's their business model.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2014 11:34 AM (0HooB)

263 I was going to say... They are only looking for the return flight passengers to Dallas? What about Dallas to Cleveland passengers? The CDC is worthless. They don't know what's going on and they don't want to know. I hope this Ebola thing doesn't get out of hand but my fear is that it will. I want the adults back in charge again.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at October 15, 2014 11:35 AM (32Ze2)

264 So are the disinfecting the airplane, or has it been in service for all this time carrying Ebola?



Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 11:35 AM (jF0Qs)

265 Midwest used to give me cookies.
Posted by: HR at October 15, 2014 11:34 AM (/kI1Q)

Yeah, and Markair used to hand out Dove Bars.

Now it's all ebola, all the time.

Death knell for the airlines, I'm thinking.

Posted by: tcn at October 15, 2014 11:35 AM (g+qqc)

266 Don't think for a second this NYT piece wasn't coordinated with obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer is MR MICROPHONE at October 15, 2014 11:32 AM (n0pt/)


Hey, don't think for a moment that news pieces need to be approved by the White House before being published.

Posted by: Ny Times at October 15, 2014 11:35 AM (fBxC6)

267 Yet another reason to book on Delta.

If you die on Delta, you still have to change concourses in Atlanta on your way to hell.

Posted by: toby928(C) at October 15, 2014 11:36 AM (rwI+c)

268 It is an entirely fucked up day. All the way around.


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 15, 2014 11:36 AM (LA7Cm)

269 Once again, Bill Clinton's success is not his own, he merely represents the success of New York Liberal Democrat Union members in controlling the "news."


Posted by: D-Lamp at October 15, 2014 11:24 AM (txvbW)

You're allowing animus toward Clinton to cloud your assessment of his political skills. Objectively compare Bill Clinton's 2012 convention speech to Romney's. Watch them in any order. Pretend you're one of those famous independent swing voters we hear so much about--or even better, a Low Information Voter who prides himself on ignorance of political matters.

Romney's convention speech--arguably the most important speech a presidential candidate can give--polled worse than any other convention speech of either party since they began polling for it in 1996.

Hey, I know, let's nominate Mitt again, see what happens.

Posted by: troyriser at October 15, 2014 11:36 AM (ptcFO)

270 But you know who is? obama and hillary clunton, that's who.

Don't think for a second this NYT piece wasn't coordinated with obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer is MR MICROPHONE at October 15, 2014 11:32 AM (n0pt/)



Yeah, at this point the only viable option any of those rats have is to blame the Drooling Imbecile Bush for putting the Team that could lower the fucking oceans in an impossible foreign policy predicament.


This is just laying the groundwork.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 15, 2014 11:36 AM (xSCb6)

271 263 I was going to say... They are only looking for the return flight passengers to Dallas? What about Dallas to Cleveland passengers? The CDC is worthless. They don't know what's going on and they don't want to know. I hope this Ebola thing doesn't get out of hand but my fear is that it will. I want the adults back in charge again.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at October 15, 2014 11:35 AM (32Ze2)


**********

Na--the CDC never wants to cast the net too wide when trying to contain ebola---that would be unfair to--ebola.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:36 AM (RJMhd)

272 "Note: Our work enabled the Arab Spring which Obama f'd up."

I wish I could find it now. Someone Photoshopped together a bar of soap, "Irish Spring", and a bar of plastique with a detonator in it, "Arab Spring".

Obama deserves a ton of blame for his imbecility over the last six years, but let's be clear that there never was going to be any magical flourishing of modernity and secularism and peace across the Arab crescent. Even if Obungle had not come along, the "Arab Spring" would have disintegrated into chaos quickly.

Arabs. Islam. Disaster. Some assembly required.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 15, 2014 11:37 AM (noWW6)

273 So are the disinfecting the airplane, or has it been in service for all this time carrying Ebola?

----

There is no reason to take such unnecessary precautions for a deadly virus that does not spread easily.

Posted by: Doctor who will not enter patient's room except with complete biohazard suit at October 15, 2014 11:37 AM (gmeXX)

274 If you die on Delta, you still have to change concourses in Atlanta on your way to hell.

---

I'm sure that is an old joke, but that is good.

Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:37 AM (gmeXX)

275 Burn the witch, the MIA VX is the largest item, but much of the Iraqi WMD program remains a mystery, and has never been successfully documented. See the Duelfer report. A nightmare world built on lies and ruthless power, a "republic of fear", like Ba'athist Iraq, naturally produced an environment where even the system itself was lying to itself, and also lost track of what was going on.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 15, 2014 11:38 AM (afQnV)

276 "246 Is the CDC going to contact trace the people she was with in Cleveland? I can't believe she was allowed to fly. I don't believe anything the CDC says about levels of risk. She was considered to be low-risk, right?

This country is a couple more cases away from pure panic.


Posted by: freemo at October 15, 2014 11:31 AM (S9MqK) "


West Africans are allowed to fly directly from Ebola infected countries so why would we have more restrictive rules for nurses who have been exposed to Ebola?

Posted by: Obnoxios A-Hole at October 15, 2014 11:38 AM (PD6iL)

277 So, every healthworker who has contact with an ebola patient is to be put on quarantine? That's what it comes down to.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:38 AM (iQIUe)

278 I didn't even know the Forntier shit. Mutha fucka.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 15, 2014 11:38 AM (LA7Cm)

279 Gabe, thanks for correcting the record.

Posted by: Mindy at October 15, 2014 11:39 AM (3Yqsj)

280 So a second nurse has tested positive for Ebola? Don't panic yet about the airplane flight.

What needs to happen right now is to drag the whole team that treated Duncan from the head doctor down to the ones who cleaned up. Test them immediately. And stop playing catch up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:39 AM (waEDw)

281 The thing is, all of this information has been available for anybody willing to pay attention.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2014 11:40 AM (DrWcr)

282 Off Topic: Citizen Pulls Over Cop, Demands ID, Gets It. Lets Cop Off With Verbal Warning.

Balls.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 15, 2014 11:40 AM (X/+QT)

283 "Objectively compare Bill Clinton's 2012 convention speech to Romney's."

What I will remember most is the absolutely bald-faced lie by Clinton to the country during his convention speech in 2012, that Obamanomics was just like Clintonomics, and that bursting late 1990s style broadly based prosperity was just around the corner, and that shortly everyone would "feel it", in Bill's words, if they just faithfully stayed the course with Obama.

A complete load of dingoes' kidneys. Utter crap from start to finish.

But wow, not only the Democratic delegates, but the rest of America, lapped that up like cats going after fresh cream.

What was it Bob Kerrey said about Clinton? An 'unusually talented liar'?

And of course the media haven't ever once confronted Bill with his speech and said, okay, pal, where are the good times you claimed would shortly commence?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 15, 2014 11:40 AM (noWW6)

284 Arabs. Islam. Disaster. Some assembly required.

I remain firmly convinced that W went into the ME to stop a caliphate from being formed.

TFG has undone every bit of that, and is hastening the creation of it.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2014 11:41 AM (0HooB)

285 Like sketti it tastes even better the 2nd time around.

Bumpage is good

Posted by: Amplecti Sugentes at October 15, 2014 11:41 AM (zPNX5)

286 HotAir.com @hotairblog 2m
16 members of Doctors Without Borders infected with Ebola, nine dead http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=309559

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:41 AM (ZPrif)

287 "What needs to happen right now is to drag the whole team that treated Duncan from the head doctor down to the ones who cleaned up. Test them immediately. And stop playing catch up."


I have a better suggestion.

Posted by: Lt. Ellen Ripley at October 15, 2014 11:42 AM (xSCb6)

288 "272 "Note: Our work enabled the Arab Spring which Obama f'd up."

I wish I could find it now. Someone Photoshopped together a bar of soap, "Irish Spring", and a bar of plastique with a detonator in it, "Arab Spring".

Obama deserves a ton of blame for his imbecility over the last six years, but let's be clear that there never was going to be any magical flourishing of modernity and secularism and peace across the Arab crescent. Even if Obungle had not come along, the "Arab Spring" would have disintegrated into chaos quickly.

Arabs. Islam. Disaster. Some assembly required.


Posted by: torquewrench at October 15, 2014 11:37 AM (noWW6) "


At this point it is a woulda, coulda, shouda but I think that there was a possibility that if US forces had remained in Iraq for a few generations, something like the transformation that happened in South Korea might have eventually taken place.


Now, of course, that will never happen in Iraq or anywhere else. The next time the US goes to war it will probably be with nuclear weapons.

Posted by: Obnoxios A-Hole at October 15, 2014 11:42 AM (PD6iL)

289 280 So a second nurse has tested positive for Ebola? Don't panic yet about the airplane flight.

What needs to happen right now is to drag the whole team that treated Duncan from the head doctor down to the ones who cleaned up. Test them immediately. And stop playing catch up.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:39 AM (waEDw)


************

One problem is I guess the test will not show positive until you are showing symptoms.

So the test isn't sensitive enough--that's according to the CDC.



Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:42 AM (RJMhd)

290
260 The WMD lie will live on, just like Sarah Palin supposedly saying "I can see Russia from my house".

Posted by: JHW at October 15, 2014 11:34 AM (5G4F7)

Sadly, if there is any US Government installation in sight range of her house?

Its true...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2014 11:42 AM (f0pWu)

291 Just think of all of the people Patient two say at the airports in both Cleveland and Dallas, and all of the locations that all of those people dispersed to. Not to worry anyone, but you really think these CDC people know what the Fcuk is going on? Communicable diseased people in airports should give us ALL night sweats.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at October 15, 2014 11:42 AM (32Ze2)

292 95 Liberian aid workers have died of Ebola from treating Ebola patients. Thank goodness they are still on the job.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:42 AM (waEDw)

293 So now the CDC is presumably going to track down everyone on the flight for 21 day voluntary quarantines.

Oh, who am I kidding. They have no clue.

Posted by: MTF at October 15, 2014 11:42 AM (LISuA)

294 RN#2 flew back on the 13th? Was admitted last nite? I wonder when she started feeling bad. They are suppose to be monitoring their temps which is what RN#1 did.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:43 AM (iQIUe)

295 In 2009, "Archaeology" magazine published "Witness to Genocide", which described a dig in northern Iraq by a team of archaeologists and forensic anthropologists at the site where Saddam's men had massacred Kurdish women and children:

http://archive.archaeology.org/0901/etc/iraq.html

Please read it: it's a real piece of journalism, something that is all too rare these days. Then remember that these killers are the people that the NY Times argues we should have left in power. And that these killers are the people we had defeated. And these killers are the people who Obama, by his malignant neglect, is permitting to assume power once again.

Posted by: Brown Line at October 15, 2014 11:43 AM (xgyfF)

296 There is just no reason to let people fly to the East Coast--in an abundance of caution you could say--stay in place for 21 days.

It's not that hard.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:43 AM (RJMhd)

297 Just another reason to avoid Dallas and Cleveland.

Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:44 AM (gmeXX)

298 16 members of Doctors Without Borders infected with Ebola, nine dead

There goes their perfect record.

Posted by: toby928(C) at October 15, 2014 11:44 AM (rwI+c)

299 If the test is not sensitive enough, then guess what? Isolate them all.

So where is the contaminated waste from Duncan's visit? Hope its not just sitting down on the loading dock awaiting the proper paperwork?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:44 AM (waEDw)

300 You are just a bunch of Ebolaphobes! Killing innocents is not a part of Ebolaism! It's all the fault of the Joooooos!

Posted by: Council on American-Ebola Relations at October 15, 2014 11:44 AM (tv7DV)

301 So where is the contaminated waste from Duncan's visit? Hope its not just sitting down on the loading dock awaiting the proper paperwork?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:44 AM (waEDw)

On ebay.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2014 11:45 AM (DrWcr)

302 " Just think of all of the people Patient two say at the airports in both Cleveland and Dallas, and all of the locations that all of those people dispersed to"


Unbelievable.

A bit worried now.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 15, 2014 11:45 AM (LA7Cm)

303 This is the response. CDC is asking 130+ people to call a 1-800 #.

World News Tonight @WNTonight 3m
Passengers who may have traveled on Monday's Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 are asked to contact CDC: 1-800-CDC-INFO: http://abcn.ws/1EYfucn

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:45 AM (ZPrif)

304 294 RN#2 flew back on the 13th? Was admitted last nite? I wonder when she started feeling bad. They are suppose to be monitoring their temps which is what RN#1 did.
Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:43 AM (iQIUe)

********


Supposedly she came down with the fever Tuesday.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:45 AM (RJMhd)

305 95 Liberian aid workers have died of Ebola from treating Ebola patients. Thank goodness they are still on the job.

And eligible to vote, too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2014 11:45 AM (0HooB)

306 "Then remember that these killers are the people that the NY Times argues we should have left in power. And that these killers are the people we had defeated. And these killers are the people who Obama, by his malignant neglect, is permitting to assume power once again."


While we're at it, my plan works in this situation too.

Posted by: Lt. Ellen Ripley at October 15, 2014 11:46 AM (xSCb6)

307
267 Yet another reason to book on Delta. If you die on Delta, you still have to change concourses in Atlanta on your way to hell.
Posted by: toby928(C) at October 15, 2014 11:36 AM (rwI+c)
You could always fly Hooters Air
http://tinyurl.com/3ghlprt

Posted by: wrg500 at October 15, 2014 11:46 AM (kQBSd)

308 I hope this Ebola thing doesn't get out of hand but my fear is that it will. I want the adults back in charge again.

About a week ago I went back and reread the part of Executive Orders when they realize there has been an ebola attack on the US, just to.....experience how an aggressive, competent and confident administration would react. *sigh* Reality bites.

Posted by: Weirddave at October 15, 2014 11:46 AM (9422s)

309 " Hope its not just sitting down on the loading dock awaiting the proper paperwork?"



According to the discussion here yesterday.........that's very Goddam likely.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 15, 2014 11:46 AM (LA7Cm)

310 A Fox News article stated that Nurse #2's test came back positive about Midnight Wednesday night. They are awaiting confirmation from the CDC test.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:46 AM (waEDw)

311 The CNN (Sanjay Gupta) story that Vic linked earlier has one particularly scary comment in it, referring to the hospital letting blood from Patient Zero go through the hospital "tube system" whatever that is (I'm assuming its a compressed air transport system, like in bank branches, but I don't know). Anyway, the nurses and doctors Gupta talked to seemed upset about that.

Posted by: MTF at October 15, 2014 11:47 AM (LISuA)

312 299 If the test is not sensitive enough, then guess what? Isolate them all.

So where is the contaminated waste from Duncan's visit? Hope its not just sitting down on the loading dock awaiting the proper paperwork?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:44 AM (waEDw)

*********

Isolate them.

Yep.


The waste?

Good damn question.

The delay at Emory on that issue is actually shocking.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:47 AM (RJMhd)

313 Wait, how does this effect gay people?

Posted by: Truman North, Moron Emeritus at October 15, 2014 11:47 AM (5Opj3)

314 Move the Outbreak Counter up by one.

Posted by: Pandemic - the Board Game at October 15, 2014 11:48 AM (tv7DV)

315 another 'dog bites man' story; another battle-space prep posing as 'news'


Pvt Hudson was right, man: We're all gonna die ( soon )



Posted by: what do they call a fat lesbian in Liberia? at October 15, 2014 11:48 AM (8CdUx)

316 I'm surprised that hospital has any patients left. No way I would go to or stay at that hospital.

Posted by: SH at October 15, 2014 11:48 AM (gmeXX)

317 FTSB: "One of the stories making the news here in Italy is the arrest of Daniela Poggiali, 42, a nurse who is accused of killing at least 38 of her patients because she found them or their relatives to be annoying."

Let those without sin cast the first stone.

Posted by: toby928(C) at October 15, 2014 11:48 AM (rwI+c)

318 267 Yet another reason to book on Delta.

If you die on Delta, you still have to change concourses in Atlanta on your way to hell.

Posted by: toby928(C) at October 15, 2014 11:36 AM (rwI+c)



Satan's airline...nice ring to it.

Posted by: Zombies at October 15, 2014 11:48 AM (QdqbP)

319 off Zombies!

Posted by: Viv Savage at October 15, 2014 11:48 AM (QdqbP)

320 310 A Fox News article stated that Nurse #2's test came back positive about Midnight Wednesday night. They are awaiting confirmation from the CDC test.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:46 AM (waEDw)

**********

Jeez I wonder what the chances are for getting a false positive....

Ugh I kind of doubt that happens--but I would hope for that.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:49 AM (RJMhd)

321 So are the disinfecting the airplane, or has it been in service for all this time carrying Ebola?



Yes.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2014 11:35 AM (jF0Qs)

Imagine the number of flights that plane has taken since the weekend. Let's just say at least two a day, so since Monday, it has probably been on at least six flights. Not to mention the plane she flew to Cleveland on last Friday, lets say that one has had at least ten flights.

ANYONE who comes into direct or indirect contact with an Ebola patient should be prohibited from contact with groups of people. The hospitals that treat this disease are going to have to provide some kind of housing for these health care workers.

Are the Doctors without Borders and other aid workers in Liberia running all over the country after their shifts? No.......

Posted by: Jen at October 15, 2014 11:49 AM (H2RaY)

322 286 HotAir.com @hotairblog 2m
16 members of Doctors Without Borders infected with Ebola, nine dead http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=309559
Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:41 AM (ZPrif)


Interesting. They don't give a time period though it is still high. It's a learn as you go - not as the doctor in the article claims basic protection. They have chosen not to resuscitate children b/c it is too easy to get infected and not to treat pregnant women.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:49 AM (iQIUe)

323 re Ebola in the US, a commenter here put it well the other night, it's like God has broke the rack in a game of pool.

Posted by: davidt at October 15, 2014 11:49 AM (fBxC6)

324 these Ebola 'containment' ops will bankrupt hospitals ( soon )


prognosis: Negative

Posted by: what do they call a fat lesbian in Liberia? at October 15, 2014 11:50 AM (8CdUx)

325 Frontier claims that the airplane has been cleaned according to usual standards. WTF?

I've flown Frontier, and I can say, their usual standards suck. Dirty tissues in the seat pocket. Imagine the amount of ebola spew on that airplane?

We are well and truly doomed.

Time to head north.

Posted by: tcn at October 15, 2014 11:50 AM (g+qqc)

326 You're allowing animus toward Clinton to cloud your
assessment of his political skills. Objectively compare Bill Clinton's
2012 convention speech to Romney's. Watch them in any order. Pretend
you're one of those famous independent swing voters we hear so much
about--or even better, a Low Information Voter who prides himself on
ignorance of political matters.



Romney's convention speech--arguably the most important speech a
presidential candidate can give--polled worse than any other convention
speech of either party since they began polling for it in 1996.



Hey, I know, let's nominate Mitt again, see what happens.

Posted by: troyriser at October 15, 2014 11:36 AM (ptcFO)


Bill Clinton can speak pretty words and make soothing sounds, and Romney is a inarticulate Robot without demonstrable convictions.

But Bill Clinton is only "skilled" at conning fools. His father was a traveling salesman, so there is little doubt that he comes by his salesmanship by inheritance, but these con-man tactics don't really work when people are pointing out that you are lying. But since the media wouldn't do that, he appears successful. Because they withheld their fire, he got away with his bullshit.

Sure, he can speak, and he can act all concerned and stuff, and LIV eat that shit up, but it only got him over the top because nobody challenged him. Throw him into Reagan's environment and he would be toast.


Posted by: D-Lamp at October 15, 2014 11:50 AM (txvbW)

327 Actually I would expect that of al-Shaitan Air.

Your flight crew is vampires while those serving the drinks are zombies and ghouls.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:50 AM (waEDw)

328 Wait, how does this effect gay people?


They've already got AIDS for their martyrdom. You know, the deadliest, most killingest disease EVAR that everyone should drop everything and pay attention to?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 15, 2014 11:50 AM (xSCb6)

329 So where is the contaminated waste from Duncan's visit? Hope its not
just sitting down on the loading dock awaiting the proper paperwork?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 15, 2014 11:44 AM (waEDw)




Those clothes and scrubs are in perfect condition. They just need a little cleanup. We donated them to Goodwill.

Posted by: CDC at October 15, 2014 11:50 AM (tv7DV)

330 I think they still treat women -- just not for childbirth b/c it is too dangerous.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:50 AM (iQIUe)

331 Are the Doctors without Borders and other aid workers in Liberia running all over the country after their shifts? No.......

Posted by: Jen at October 15, 2014 11:49 AM (H2RaY)


but that could should arranged because well....racism.

Posted by: CDC at October 15, 2014 11:50 AM (QdqbP)

332 "296 There is just no reason to let people fly to the East Coast--in an abundance of caution you could say--stay in place for 21 days.

It's not that hard.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:43 AM (RJMhd) "


I disagree. I live in the DFW area and if I start to experience any symptoms, I am going to immediately get on a plane to Washington DC where I will ride the Metro and frequent the neighborhoods where our betters reside, leaving bodily fluids in as many places as possible.


The people in power are not going to start treating Ebola seriously until they are personally threatened. Think of me as a public benefactor.

Posted by: Obnoxios A-Hole at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (PD6iL)

333 nood up.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (wtvvX)

334 Gabe is right: the Iraq war was more about Saddam's support of terrorism, both financially (through the $25k "reward" for martyrdom) and by providing training facilities (Salmon Pak).

Another thing the NYT absolutely will not write about is the numerous Dims who voted for the war, then turned against it just a few weeks later.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (0HooB)

335 "Then remember that these killers are the people that the NY Times argues we should have left in power. And that these killers are the people we had defeated. And these killers are the people who Obama, by his malignant neglect, is permitting to assume power once again."

I get tarred as an isolationist quite often, but I'm more correctly a classic uplifting-Western-civilization arrogant cultural imperialist. I would have been quite happy to go into Iraq (and Afghanistan) and impose Western civilization at gunpoint and never leave.

Shooting stone dead whomever among the locals disagreed, without much if anything by way of due process. Bulldozing mosques for emphasis.

I think that Afghanistan, Iraq, the Mideast, and the world as a whole would be a far better place in the long run if such measures were countenanced.

But we're a mincingly politically correct multiculturalist country now, even under supposedly "conservative" administrations, and our policies are shaped by ridiculous shibboleths such as "Islam is a religion of peace," which has been a mantra of the US government for the last several administrations.

Go big or stay home. Americans don't have the bottle to go big. Better stay the flock home.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (noWW6)

336 Posted by: Jen at October 15, 2014 11:49 AM (H2RaY)

What airline???

My Sister just flew back to Texas... yesterday...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (f0pWu)

337 Hand Washing Rap*
You gotta' wash your hands, and
You gotta' wash 'em right,
Don't give in to germs
Without a fight.

Use water that's warm
And lots of soapy bubbles,
These are your weapons for preventing germ troubles.

Don't cut your time short
Your fingers-get between-
It takes 20 seconds
To make sure they're clean.

Gotta' wash, gotta' wash
Gotta' wash your hands,
Gotta' wash, gotta' wash
Gotta' wash your hands.

Posted by: DJ Tom 'Dr. Funk' Frieden at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (AjhBj)

338 16,071.19 Down 244.00(-1.50%)

Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (rwI+c)

339 It's not like airplanes are raging germ factories or anything...... Nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (32Ze2)

340 Jeez I wonder what the chances are for getting a false positive....

Ugh I kind of doubt that happens--but I would hope for that.
Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 15, 2014 11:49 AM (RJMhd)

Let's see:

contact with ebola
fever
presumptive test

I think she's got it.

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:53 AM (iQIUe)

341 286
HotAir.com @hotairblog 2m

16 members of Doctors Without Borders infected with Ebola, nine dead http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=309559

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 15, 2014 11:41 AM (ZPrif)


Maybe them doctors should get themselves some fucking borders?

Wrongheaded do-goodism once again has dire consequences.



Posted by: D-Lamp at October 15, 2014 11:53 AM (txvbW)

342 I'd be very curious to hear what the CDC tells people who were on the flight and call in. 132 people, figure there's gotta be a few with totally unrelated colds/flu/sniffles in the next few weeks. Not a great way to spend autumn, wondering if you've been infected and it's already too late. Some of the calls will be panicked I'm sure. What a shitshow.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 15, 2014 11:54 AM (2cS/G)

343 What airline???

My Sister just flew back to Texas... yesterday...
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (f0pWu)

Frontier, I believe flight 1143?

Posted by: Jen at October 15, 2014 11:54 AM (H2RaY)

344
So, what are AoShq's ebola protocols? Do we have any????

Posted by: The Progs at October 15, 2014 11:56 AM (iQIUe)

345
I disagree. I live in the DFW area and if I
start to experience any symptoms, I am going to immediately get on a
plane to Washington DC where I will ride the Metro and frequent the
neighborhoods where our betters reside, leaving bodily fluids in as many
places as possible.





The people in power are not going to start treating Ebola seriously
until they are personally threatened. Think of me as a public
benefactor.

Posted by: Obnoxios A-Hole at October 15, 2014 11:51 AM (PD6iL)


My friend, you are a great American. That is exactly the right thing to do. Take the evil to those responsible for releasing it.



Posted by: D-Lamp at October 15, 2014 12:09 PM (txvbW)

346 My Son was part of the WMD crew in 2003. He's doing something right now, but when he gets back, he's gonna be VERY interested. Maybe Judith Miller is interested too . A Proud Parent Of a SOLDIER

Posted by: Rick554 at October 15, 2014 12:18 PM (GC1aI)

347 Saddam Hussein defied 17 UN resolutions. After the 2003 conflict, US and UN inspectors found an enormous amount of dual use equipment capable of manufacturing biological and chemical WMD agents. And there was the "oil for palaces" subterfuge and the incessant Iraqi attempts to undermine the existing UN inspection programs.

Posted by: mrp at October 15, 2014 12:27 PM (JBggj)

348 I will simply never understand why GWB wouldn't / couldn't / is still incapable of defending himself on the WAR OF HIS OWN CHOOSING horseshit.

Does he understand how corrosive it's been to the country and how many good men died confronting an enemy emboldened by our own fifth column?

Maybe he actually IS as stupid as they say.

Posted by: Jaws at October 15, 2014 12:31 PM (eKZp1)

349 The USA's own nuclear arsenal are obviously not weapons of mass destruction because WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY SHOOTING THEM OFF.

Posted by: gastorgrab at October 15, 2014 12:38 PM (FX38i)

350 Forget it Gabe, it's NYTown.

Posted by: TallDave at October 15, 2014 12:48 PM (/HtWy)

351 Jaws -- because W's one of those guys who believes in the dignity and responsibility of the office, and takes all crticism very seriously, as opposed to Obama who believes in nothing but winning the news cycle with whatever BS is convenient to peddle on a particular morning before getting back to his real job of GOTUS.

Remember when the fake Guard docs came out, and the WH actually photocopied them and gave them to reporters? Obama would have just called everyone involved crazy racist birther global warming deniers.

Posted by: TallDave at October 15, 2014 12:51 PM (/HtWy)

352 The whole point of the NYT article is this: they know they need to give up on the "No WMDs, Bush lied" meme because ISIS is going to get their hands on some of those weapons and they WILL use them and the NYT wants to be in position to blame Bush for that. It's pretty simple math, really.

Posted by: MLCross at October 15, 2014 01:28 PM (D6lM8)

353 I disagree. I live in the DFW area and if I

start to experience any symptoms, I am going to immediately get on a

plane to Washington DC where I will ride the Metro and frequent the

neighborhoods where our betters reside, leaving bodily fluids in as many

places as possible.


I won't say what I would do.

Posted by: An Observation at October 15, 2014 01:34 PM (ylhEn)

354 My loathing for the big time Clymers (nee azzholes h/t Dick Cheney) at the NY Times doubles daily like the Ebola virus. Traitors to the Fourth Estate and journalistic garbage, the lot of them.

Posted by: eureka! at October 15, 2014 01:58 PM (tUxjD)

355 Um no offense but you totally contradict yourself. You say:
"Nowhere in his speech will you find a claim that Hussein had an "active weapons program," as the NYTimes writers would now have you believe. Rather Bush talked about finding Hussein's old weapons and deterring his hope to once again restart his weapons programs:"
And then you quote what he said:
"United Nations inspections also reveal that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard, and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons."

"Rebuilding" and "expanding" are active verbs that indicate an ACTIVE WEAPONS PROGRAM, not the hope of one.

Posted by: Arthur Dunn at October 15, 2014 02:38 PM (mTNWV)

356 "We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take
steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression
and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has
refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the
armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed
conflict."




Senator Harry Reid (Democrat, Nevada)

Addressing the US Senate

October 9, 2002

Congressional Record, p. S10145




http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html#Bu2pEtWhKr

Posted by: hepcat at October 15, 2014 02:39 PM (yQRD6)

357 Moreover here is Collin Powell's speech to the UN from 2003 in which he says:
"Indeed, the facts and Iraq's behavior show that Saddam Hussein and his regime are concealing their efforts to produce more weapons of mass destruction."

PRODUCE MORE...that means an ACTIVE WEAPONS PROGRAM.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/feb/05/iraq.usa

Posted by: Arthur Dunn at October 15, 2014 02:45 PM (mTNWV)

358 This is a marvelous post. This would make a good full-length article for Commentary or NR -- walking through these and other speeches, just like you have here. Bravo.

Posted by: csr5z at October 15, 2014 02:52 PM (zsUzN)

359 Joe Biden on the floor of the Senate:


IRAQ

Senate January 28, 2003


... The option I would choose in this circumstance, if we do not get world support, is that Saddam is in material breach of the latest U.N. resolution. Yesterday's damning report by the U.N. inspectors makes clear again Saddam's contempt for the world and it has vindicated the President's decision last fall to go to the U.N.

The legitimacy of the Security Council is at stake, as well as the integrity of the U.N. So if Saddam does not give up those weapons of mass destruction and the Security Council does not call for the use of force, I think we have little option but to act with a larger group of willing nations, if possible, and alone if we must. Make no mistake about it, we will pay a price if that is the way we go. We will have no option, but we will pay a price, a price that could be significantly reduced if from this moment on we act, in my humble opinion, more wisely.

Posted by: hepcat at October 15, 2014 02:52 PM (yQRD6)

360 Great post. Necessary, too.
May I add (this is from memory, as I lived through it, too) that financing international terrorism was also a stated general cause for war. While Bush harped on this, his approval rating was 90%.
At this time, Saddam Hussein qualified himself as a target by paying $30,000 to families of suicide bombers in Israel and bragging most publicly that he was doing so.
(Feel free to fact check me. Again, this is just from the data banks in my noggin.)

Posted by: FireHorse at October 15, 2014 04:50 PM (FEyv/)

361 So let me get this right:

Then: Saddam + stockpiles of chemical weapons + terrorists = NO Terrorist Threat

Now: Stockpiles of chem weapons + terrorists = Major Terrorist Threat

Posted by: Guest Commenter at October 15, 2014 05:14 PM (6Hspk)

362 Dana Perino just mentioned this post on The Five.

Posted by: alleninHawaii at October 15, 2014 05:16 PM (YCI/8)

363 If I had known the lovely Dana Perino read this site I would have done more than just skim the headlines and look at cheerleaders.

Posted by: bugger bryan at October 15, 2014 05:20 PM (3MNCs)

364 Despite the military interviewees saying that discovering chemical weapons was the point of being in Iraq in the article the NYT decides it wasn't the reason. Because, Bush!

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 15, 2014 05:39 PM (i0vkQ)

365 The link to this article needs to be sent to as many as possible. It IS that important. Enough of Leftists revising history.

Posted by: CEO at October 15, 2014 05:43 PM (m7eJz)

366 How is "expanding chemical weapons facilities" not active WMD production?

Posted by: Hank at October 15, 2014 06:19 PM (4aDwM)

367 So scanning the 350+ posts... I miss anything mentioning that the Chemical weapons Saddam did use in the Iran/Iraq war and then again against Iraqi Kurds came from the USA with a wink and a nod!

Seriously, it is unacceptable to point out the lies of the NYT without noting the complicity of Republican (Reagan) administrations.

The Middle East is a confusing fustercluck of lies, truth, damnable lies, kleptocracy, oligarchy, and even lower things. Still any arguement about WMDs in Iraq should include the fact that Republicans gave them the weapons to beat up on Iran.

Posted by: scJazz at October 15, 2014 11:11 PM (l2HA3)

368 My intro to my link here from my Facebook page: -- Good corrective essay on the false history of the Iraq War championed in today's NY Times piece on Saddam's chemical weapons stockpile. It wasn't a case of picking a new fight based on claims without evidence, by the way, it had more to do with resuming an OLD fight [the Kuwait annexation and liberation] whose ceasefire provisions [PROVE destruction of all existing chemical weapons stockpiles] were defiantly dodged by Saddam, with the added post-conquest discovery of Saddam's mega-bribery campaign among foreign officials and diplomats -- up into the family of the UN SecGen -- that in dollar terms ranks as the greatest criminal enterprise in history, all aimed at insuring non-interference from the outside when the cease-fire constraints were to be finally repudiated in totality.

Posted by: jim oberg at October 15, 2014 11:52 PM (xQKOi)

369 Response to scJAZZ on who was arming whom in the Iran-Iraq war, here's an original chapter I wrote in 1988 on the doomed Argentine cargo plane hired by Israel to smuggle weapons to Iran, destroyed by the USSR while off-course over the Caucasus with four crewmen killed. http://www.jamesoberg.com/border.html

Posted by: jim oberg at October 16, 2014 12:04 AM (xQKOi)

370 Democrats don't like seeing the video linked below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5p-qIq32m8

Posted by: Groty at October 16, 2014 09:37 AM (L7ldq)

371 First off.....I read the Colin Powell UN speech. I was "there" listening to the debates of 2003 to invade Iraq or not. PLEASE stop the lies.....the Bush administration was drumming up support to invade. They pushed their agenda along claiming that Saddam had WMD's and the programs were active. He was not on the verge of making them....especially his nuclear program. That he was in bed with the terrorists and that he would aide them. None of this was true. Also let me remind the world that active WMD's were not found. The Bush administration was adamant about there existance. None of this was true. And when confronted by the fact no WMD's were found he stated that the intelligence was faulty. The chemical weapons dug up were there from 1991 and were used on Iran and Kurds by the Saddam regime. Is this why US and Bush people didnt want this discovery made public due to the fact that we assisted Saddam in making them. Anyways...the Iraq war from a geopolitical point was not necessary, was wasteful, and damaged the US around the world when we had much support after 9/11. Do not let neo-conservatives tell you Bush was right. He was not and history will continue to show that he was poor president.

Posted by: James Dlawrence at October 16, 2014 09:58 PM (fZIv4)

372 I feel the need to yell here: WE PROVIDED IRAQ WITH THE TECHNOLOGY TO BUILD CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN THE 1980s. WE HAVE KNOWN THIS FOR YEARS. THESE WEAPONS WERE MADE IN THE 80s.

I will stop yelling and remind people that there were numerous reports of chemical weapons being found after the invasion in 2003. Nothing new here.

Iraq war still one of the most retarded US misadventures ever.

Posted by: Walter at October 17, 2014 11:50 AM (dAx0w)

373 More Bush lies exposed. It's nice to know he has propagandists willing to shill for him a decade later so members of his administration can quote him on The Five.

--September 5, 2002: In a WHIG meeting, chief Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson proposes the use of a "smoking gun/mushroom cloud" metaphor to sell the American public on the supposed nuclear dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.

September 7, 2002: Judith Miller of The New York Times reports Bush administration officials said "In the last 14 months, Iraq has sought to buy thousands of specially designed aluminum tubes, which American officials believe were intended as components of centrifuges to enrich uranium." In fact, many government officials had concluded the tubes were unsuitable for uranium refinement.

September 7-8, 2002: President Bush and nearly all his top advisers blanketed the airwaves, talking about the dangers posed by Iraq.[5]
On NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Richard Cheney cited the New York Times article, and accused Saddam of moving aggressively to develop nuclear weapons over the past fourteen months to add to his stockpile of chemical and biological arms.
On CNN, Condi Rice acknowledged that "there will always be some uncertainty" in determining how close Iraq may be to obtaining a nuclear weapon but said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
On CBS, President Bush said U.N. weapons inspectors, before they were denied access to Iraq in 1998, concluded that Saddam was "six months away from developing a weapon." He also cited satellite photos released by a U.N. agency Friday that show unexplained construction at Iraq sites that weapons inspectors once visited to search for evidence Saddam was trying to develop nuclear arms. "I don't know what more evidence we need," Bush said.

October 14, 2002: President Bush says of Saddam "This is a man that we know has had connections with al Qaeda. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use al Qaeda as a forward army." [6]

January 21, 2003: Bush says of Saddam "He has weapons of mass destruction -- the world's deadliest weapons -- which pose a direct threat to the United States, our citizens and our friends and allies." [7]

February 5, 2003: Colin Powell addresses the United Nations, asserting that there was "no doubt in my mind" that Saddam was working to obtain key components to produce nuclear weapons.

March 19, 2003: The U.S. invades Iraq.--

Maybe you should have done more research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Iraq_Group

Posted by: MarxistChe at October 18, 2014 04:27 AM (LXMLj)

374 According to US law and UN Security Council resolution, Operation Iraqi Freedom was about enforcing Iraq's full compliance with the UNSC resolutions of the Gulf War ceasefire. The standard of compliance was set by the UNSCRs and the UNSCRs were enforced by the US President under US law. UNSCR 1441 reset Saddam's breach status (really, Saddam was never out of breach since 1991) and the UNMOVIC Cluster Document confirmed Iraq remained in violation of the UNSC resolutions. The UNMOVIC Cluster Document was the main trigger for OIF in the same way the UNSCOM Butler Report triggered Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

Posted by: Eric at October 20, 2014 10:32 AM (k+Jzr)

375 Operation Iraqi Freedom was right on the law and justified on the policy, yet distorted in the politics, despite that primary sources easily accessed on-line provide a straightforward explanation for OIF. Basic essentials for understanding OIF in the proper context include the 1990-2002 UNSC resolutions for Iraq (at minimum, see UNSCRs 687, 688, and 1441), Public Law 107-243 (the 2002 Congressional authorization for use of military force against Iraq), Public Law 105-235 ("Iraqi Breach of International Obligations", 14AUG9, President Clinton's announcement of Operation Desert Fox (the penultimate military enforcement step that set the baseline precedent for OIF), President Bush's September 2002 remarks to the United Nations General Assembly and excerpts from the 2003 State of the Union, the April 2002 UN Commission on Human Rights situation report on Iraq pursuant to UNSCR 688, the UNMOVIC Cluster Document (summary) pursuant to UNSCR 687 that triggered the final decision for OIF, and the Iraq Survey Group's Duelfer Report.

Links to the above primary sources are here:
http://learning-curve.blogspot.com/2014/05/operation-iraqi-freedom-faq.html#furtherreading

Posted by: Eric at October 20, 2014 10:34 AM (k+Jzr)

376
It was both.
UNSCR 687 (1991) mandated Iraq to declare and destroy all proscribed weapons, including as-of-Gulf-War weapons,
under international supervision and permanently eliminate its WMD programs:

8. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction,
removal, or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of:
(a) All
chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related
subsystems and components and all research, development, support and
manufacturing facilities;
(b) All ballistic missiles with a range greater
than 150 kilometres and related major parts, and repair and production
facilities;
...
9. Decides, for the implementation of paragraph 8 above,
the following:
(a) Iraq shall submit to the Secretary-General, within
fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution, a declaration of the
locations, amounts and types of all items specified in paragraph 8 and agree to
urgent, on-site inspection as specified below;
...
10. Decides that Iraq
shall unconditionally undertake not to use, develop, construct or acquire any of
the items specified in paragraphs 8 and 9 above ...
...
12. Decides that
Iraq shall unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or
nuclear-weapons-usable material or any subsystems or components or any research,
development, support or manufacturing facilities related to the above;

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