Saturday Politics Thread: Familiar Faces (Romney, Ryan, Huckabee, Palin) [Y-not]

Because I'm a "giver" who puts the needs of the horde above her own happiness, this week's thread is on Familiar Faces: Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Mike Huckabee, and Sarah Palin.

You owe me.

Big.

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Before we begin, let's have a sense of where these four politicians rank in popularity as potential 2016 Presidential candidates:


In the interest of space, I'm going to try to keep these summaries short, but provide you with some links touting their potential candidacies and any red flags, as I know them. Usual caveats about taking these "issues" tables and political philosophy diagrams with huge grains of salt apply. As always, it would be great to hear from you in the comments section if you have additional insights about them, positive or negative.


MITT ROMNEY

Willard Mitt Romney (born March 12, 1947) was a 2012 Republican candidate for President of the United States. He served as Governor of Massachusetts from January 2, 2003 to January 4, 2007.

Romney was born in Detroit, Michigan on March 12, 1947. His father, George Romney, was the 43rd Governor of Michigan from 1963 to 1969 and US Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1969 to 1973. [Mitt Romney received his Bachelor's degree in English from Brigham Young University (1971) and both an MBA and JD from Harvard (1975).]

Mitt Romney began his career working for management consulting firm Bain & Company, going on to found investment firm Bain Capital in 1984. [Romney ran for U.S. Senate in 1994. He was defeated by Edward Kennedy (D).] In 1999 he served as President of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee, overseeing the 2002 Winter Olympics.

Courtesy of U.S. News, here's a list of "10 Things You Didn't Know About Mitt Romney" with more biographical information.

Mitt Romney made an unsuccessful bid for the GOP Presidential nomination in 2008. He won the nomination on his second try, but lost the 2012 Presidential election to Barack Obama. To help you catch up on what Mitt Romney has been up to since 2012, here's a summary of his activities as covered by the NY Times.

Since the 2012 election, Romney has written quite a few opinion pieces, most often on foreign policy (for example here and here), but also on things like the cost of the Olympics.

Interestingly, although his tough stance on immigration was largely credited with him emerging victorious from the GOP primary, I could not find any evidence of Romney speaking out during Obama's manufactured border crisis this summer. I did find this report in the Washington Post last May:

Mitt Romney said Friday that he hopes an immigration reform measure will be signed into law before the 2016 presidential election, a striking posture considering his hard-line stance in the immigration debate during his 2012 campaign for president.

"I do believe it's important for us, before the presidential contest in 2016, to finally have immigration reform in place," Romney said in Iowa, according to the Des Moines Register. "I just don't think it's healthy for the country to continue to have this issue open and unresolved, particularly with so many families that are waiting for the answers.

Late last year he was reported to have said:

"I do believe those who come here illegally ought to have an opportunity to get in line with everybody else."

Romney continued: "I don't think those who come here illegally should jump to the front of the line or be given a special deal, be rewarded for coming here illegally, but I think they should have a chance just like anybody else to get in line and to become a citizen if they'd like to do so," he said.

Romney also said that the Republican Party must address immigration and work on legislation to reform the system.

My interpretation of this, coupled with the continued support Romney has from corporate circles that clamor for cheap labor, is that he has backed off his "self-deportation" concept from the 2012 campaign in favor of granting legal status to illegal aliens. I admit I find it annoying that he did not criticize the Administration over the border stunt, but instead seems to be making statements that imply the Republican-controlled House is the source of the problem.

Ballotpedia has this to say about Mitt Romney's 2016 prospects:

On September 8, 2014, the former Governor of Massachusetts Romney stated, when asked about the potential of running in 2016, "Let me tell you, it was a great experience running for president. I loved that. But my time has come and gone. I had that opportunity. I ran, I didn't win." Romney's name garnered attention in regard to the race after his name was placed on a straw poll in Iowa on September 1, 2014. A September 22, 2014 opinion piece in The Hill called the potential duo of Romney and Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval a "perfect Republican dream team."

Recently, Romney was reported by Byron York as believing that only he or Jeb Bush could defeat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

Per On the Issues, here's a summary of his positions:

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*Romney appears to have softened his position on a pathway to citizenship since this Vote Match Quiz was compiled.


PAUL RYAN

Paul Ryan (b. January 29, 1970, in Janesville, WI) is a Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives from the state of Wisconsin. Ryan represents Wisconsin's 1st Congressional District and was first elected to the House in 1998. He is running for re-election in 2014...

Ryan appeared on the 2012 presidential ticket as Mitt Romney's vice presidential running mate. Despite losing the presidential race, Ryan won re-election to the House in 2012.

Based on analysis of multiple outside rankings, Ryan is an average Republican member of Congress, meaning he will vote with the Republican Party on the majority of bills.

...after graduating from Miami University of Ohio [with a double major in Political Science and Economics], Ryan moved to Washington D.C., where he put his political science degree to use as an aide to Wisconsin Senator Robert Kasten and a speechwriter for deceased former congressman Jack Kemp. Prior to entering Congress in 1999 at age 28, Ryan also worked on the policy staff for the conservative think tank, Empower America.

Here's 10 Things You Don't Know About Paul Ryan compiled by the Fiscal Times in 2012.

To help you catch up on what Paul Ryan has been up to recently, here's a summary of his activities as covered by the NY Times.

Ryan has taken an interesting path since the 2012 election. He seemed to be a popular choice for many owing to his reputation as a budget hawk. But after a disappointing performance on the campaign trail, and a devastating loss to Obama and Biden, Ryan's popularity with "the base" has really fallen. I've been trying to track down what happened and I think a lot of it is attributable to the budget deal cut with Democrats late last year. Here's a refresher:

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) have spent the past several weeks huddled with their staffs in budget negotiations, and Tuesday evening they emerged with the impossible: a deal to keep the government open and avoid another shutdown when current funding expires next month. Their proposal will replace part of sequestration -- the automatic cuts to domestic and military spending in the Budget Control Act that averted the 2011 debt ceiling standoff -- for the next two years. Domestic and military spending will be set at $1.012 trillion for fiscal year 2014, higher than the $967 billion called for by sequestration but far less than the $1.058 trillion Murray's original budget called for...

The proposal covers the rise in spending by increasing a few fees -- TSA surcharges for example -- and cuts in pensions for federal employees and military veterans, among other small changes.* The deal creates a little more than $20 billion in net deficit reduction, though those extra cuts won't come until 2022 and 2023.

I was curious where Ryan stood on immigration and found this:

Ryan also defended his efforts to pass an immigration overhaul, saying that the legislation should secure the border, and having verified that it was secure, change legal immigration programs to meet labor shortages in the United States.

"For the undocumenteds, I'd give a probationary period," he told a group of Hillsdale College students. "I'd have people earn their way toward just a work permit by putting them on probation. They'd waive their right an appeal. They'd sign an affidavit that they broke the law. They'd pay a fine, do a background check, they'd have to learn civics, learn English -- basically assimilate; can't be on welfare, and have to work, and can't have a criminal record, of course. They'd have to do that for five years. And until, if and until, the government gets its border secure and all these security measures, they can't get out of probation until the government has done it's job securing the border. Then, after five years, if they did everything right on their terms of probation, give them a work permit just to be able to work, just like a guest worker program."

Although I hate that introductory sentence (what labor shortage?), I think the specifics he describes seem semi-reasonable. So is this all bullshit? Would he toss aside all of these conditions (which seem pretty expensive, frankly) to address the so-called labor shortage? I don't know. It's so hard to trust these guys.

Per Ballotpedia, here's a link to his votes on key bills in the 113th Congress.

And here is a summary of his positions on various issues, per On the Issues:

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MIKE HUCKABEE

Michael Dale "Mike" Huckabee (born August 24, 1955, in Hope, AR) is the host of the Fox News Channel talk show Huckabee. He was the 44th Governor of Arkansas from 1996-2007 and a 2008 candidate for President.

[Mike Huckabee obtained his B.A. in Religion from Ouachita Baptist University and attended the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary from 1976-1977.] Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, a public speaker, a musician and the author of several best selling books.

He served as Chairman of the National Governors Association from 2005 to 2006 and as Lieutenant Governor of Arkansas from 1993 to 1996.

You can read more about Governor Huckabee here and here.

To help you catch up on what Mike Huckabee has been up to recently, here's a listing of news reports from the NY Times.

Here's a summary of his positions on various issues, per On the Issues:

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Although I don't track Huckabee's activities very closely (I don't watch his show and he doesn't pop up on the news sites I read very often), after doing a little digging this week my impression is that he is a pretty reliable critic of this Administration. I ran across him vocally supporting faith-based objections to Obamacare, for example, and he even wrote a tough indictment of Obama's open borders policy. Good for him.

Is that enough to render him a Presidential contender? Apparently, he is considering another run:

...Byron York of The Washington Examiner interpreted Huckabee's emphasis on foreign affairs as making it "clear Huckabee has been studying up -- for a former governor steeped in domestic policy, often a sign of an impending run."

Huckabee will have another chance in October to showcase his knowledge of foreign policy and his commitment to Israel, an issue of great importance to Christian conservatives, at a rally in Washington organized by Concerned Women of America and Huckabee's America Takes ACTION (ATA) organization.

"I have been to Israel nearly 30 times over the past 41 years and have never seen the nation under such threat. Israel is our closest ally and friend in the Middle East, and they are suffering due to the weak policies of the Obama administration.

"The president has done little to recognize the growing threat of Hamas. God has protected this tiny but increasingly powerful nation, and it's time for the United States to do the same," Huckabee said in a press release.

I confess that I hope he doesn't run. I find him to be a very divisive figure within the GOP. I am not sure I could support him, even in the general election.


SARAH PALIN

Sarah Louise Palin (born February 11, 1964, in Sandpoint, ID) is the former Governor of Alaska. She was elected in 2006 but resigned in July 2009 before the completion of her first term. Palin was also the Republican vice presidential nominee for the 2008 United States presidential election.

[Palin is a graduate of the University of Idaho (1987) where she holds a bachelor's degree in journalism. After college she worked as a sports reporter for KTUU-TV in Anchorage, Alaska as well as the Wasilla based Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman.]

Palin served two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska, city council from 1992 to 1996, then won two terms as mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002. After an unsuccessful campaign for lieutenant governor of Alaska in 2002, she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004 while also serving as Ethics Supervisor of the commission.

In November 2006, Palin was elected the governor of Alaska, becoming the first woman and youngest person to hold the office.

Here's U.S. News' "Ten Things You Didn't Know About Sarah Palin," from her 2008 VP run.

To help you catch up on what Sarah Palin has been up to recently, here's a summary of her activities as reported by the NY Times.

Last summer, Palin launched an online TV channel which is available by subscription.

As with Mike Huckabee, I don't really follow Sarah Palin's activities very closely except for knowing that she is a commentator on Fox News and that she is still regarded as an important endorsement in many conservative circles. I would also note that in my opinion Palin is a "good soldier" when it comes to endorsing or working for GOP candidates, including GOPe figures like Orrin Hatch and Pat Roberts. Overall, I think that is a good thing in terms of mending fences within the Republican Party, which (despite its many flaws) remains the only in game in town for advancing any sort of conservative agenda nationally.

Of the four candidates discussed today, Palin came out with the strongest condemnation of Obama over the border crisis:

Enough is enough of the years of abuse from this president. His unsecured border crisis is the last straw that makes the battered wife say, "no mas."

Without borders, there is no nation. Obama knows this. Opening our borders to a flood of illegal immigrants is deliberate. This is his fundamental transformation of America. It's the only promise he has kept. Discrediting the price paid for America's exceptionalism over our history, he's given false hope and taxpayer's change to millions of foreign nationals who want to sneak into our country illegally. Because of Obama's purposeful dereliction of duty an untold number of illegal immigrants will kick off their shoes and come on in, competing against Americans for our jobs and limited public services. There is no end in sight as our president prioritizes parties over doing the job he was hired by voters to do. Securing our borders is obviously fundamental here; it goes without saying that it is his job.

Per On the Issues, here's a summary of her positions on various issues:

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I thought Palin was the better half of our 2008 ticket. I think she and I share a lot of the same values. But I am not sure she is well-positioned to either win the nomination or to defeat the Democrat in 2016. And, I'm not sure that she is really seriously considering a run.


In summary, here are the "ideology maps" for the four politicians discussed this week:

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You can read about how these diagrams are made here.


This week's "round up" poll includes the four candidates discussed today and the top vote-getters from last week (Walker, Cruz, Perry, Jindal, Gowdy, Lee, Haley, Paul). Choose your top SIX Republican prospects for 2016:



I think next week we should start burrowing in on the top vote-getters' positions on the issues that the horde cares most about with respect to the 2016 Presidential election. These were the top issues identified last week:

Reducing the size of the Federal bureaucracy and regulation 16.1% (1,295 votes)
Reining in Federal spending 14.13% (1,137 votes)
Repealing Obamacare 12.01% (966 votes)
Solving the illegal immigration problem 11.41% (918 votes)
Strengthening national security and global alliances 8.09% (651 votes)
Reforming or eliminating entitlement programs 5.79% (466 votes)
Addressing problems with the Federal tax code 5.64% (454 votes)
Promoting energy independence 5.62% (452 votes)
Protecting the U.S. from terrorism 5.57% (448 votes)

See you next week!

Links to the prior threads:
Walker, Perry, Jindal thread
Kasich, Haley, Martinez thread
Rubio, Rand Paul, Cruz thread
Gowdy, Carson, Sessions, Lee thread

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:00 AM




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1 I feel boxed in.

Posted by: loneduck at October 11, 2014 08:59 AM (xImLL)

2 And kinda grey

Posted by: Tree of Liberty at October 11, 2014 09:03 AM (mIO9Y)

3 I used to think Palin had the gravitas to be President. After all this time, I feel like she's more about being a king maker than a serious contender. Too bad...I really like her.

Posted by: Tree of Liberty at October 11, 2014 09:04 AM (mIO9Y)

4 Mitt was Governor of Massachusetts and signed RomneyCare into law there.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 09:05 AM (MQEz6)

5 Off, yesterday sock!!!! Hahahahahahahaha...dumbass!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 11, 2014 09:06 AM (mIO9Y)

6 AHOY!

Posted by: PALINISTO at October 11, 2014 09:07 AM (ZSapd)

7 >>can't be on welfare, and have to work

Given the economy, this seems unlikely to be practical, which means it wouldn't be enforced, which means it's b.s.

Posted by: Mama AJ at October 11, 2014 09:08 AM (0xTsz)

8 Mitt Romney is a political tool. Nice buy and a respectable fellow, and a hell of a businessman. I sure as hell don't want him making national security decisions and tax/health policy decisions for me. I couldn't afford it.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 11, 2014 09:09 AM (mIO9Y)

9 Given the economy, this seems unlikely to be practical, which means it wouldn't be enforced, which means it's b.s.
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Yeah. I also realized that the things he rattled off are probably not doable.

And, of course, a 10 year old "urchin" can't work. Would he deport them? I doubt it.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:10 AM (zDsvJ)

10 Don't know that I agree completely with the characterizations of the candidates on the issues here. Mitt for example, was on both sides of several issues in 2012, how can we know what his positions are? And the chart for Fuckabee paints him to be more of a fiscal-con than I believe him to be.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 11, 2014 09:11 AM (jtgkZ)

11 Romney is and always was a liar. He dropped the illegal immigration issue as soon as it won him the nomination. He always supported amnesty, he surrounded himself with people who were huge supporters of amnesty (Paul Ryan, Mike Leavitt (his would-be chief-of-staff)), and every endorsement he has made before and since his campaign has been straight ticket establishment.

Posted by: Mittard at October 11, 2014 09:11 AM (ROzHf)

12 Palin gave a speech in 2012 where she said SS should be reformed and is going to go tits-up.

The old folks in the crowd did not clap and cheer.

She seemed taken aback by the response.

I think she now knows just how truly fucked the Republic is.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 09:12 AM (MQEz6)

13 The good news, for me, is that there are five people on that round up poll I could support pretty happily in the General. I also like what I've seen of Gov. Martinez, but she didn't poll well here.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:12 AM (zDsvJ)

14 Oooh, a flame thread.


I'm not so sure about Huck's ideology diagram; after he lost weight (in a U of Arkansas clinical program--e.g. not available to ordinary people and in the end unsustainable) he went on a fascist "government should monitor the food people eat for the common good" tear. He's the proto-Mooch.

Posted by: HR is at work at October 11, 2014 09:13 AM (/kI1Q)

15 Don't know that I agree completely with the characterizations of the candidates on the issues here.
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Yeah, I agree with you.

I don't get their definition of "populist."

But I had these for the others so I figured I'd continue with it.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:13 AM (zDsvJ)

16 The Tree of Liberty likes Palin. That's all you need to know.

Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2014 09:14 AM (sdi6R)

17 I voted Palin but I don't think she'll run. Its just that Mitt, Ryan, and Huckabee are in the AYFKM category.
The second poll I voted Cruz, Walker, Perry, Palin.
I woulda voted for Woodchipper but I see raycism kept him off the poll.

Posted by: @votermom at October 11, 2014 09:16 AM (cbfNE)

18 I think the only one of these I would support would be Palin. But if she ran as a Republican, I wouldn't donate a single penny.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 11, 2014 09:17 AM (mIO9Y)

19 Maybe we'll see a dark horse arriving on the scene. But to save me I can't think of one. Maybe that's why they call it a dark horse.

Posted by: Zoo a at October 11, 2014 09:17 AM (q25Z1)

20 I hate commenting on my phone.

Posted by: Soona at October 11, 2014 09:18 AM (q25Z1)

21 And, of course, a 10 year old "urchin" can't work.

Pffft.

Posted by: Mr. Bumble at October 11, 2014 09:18 AM (/kI1Q)

22 >>Maybe we'll see a dark horse arriving on the scene. But to save me I can't think of one.

Miss me yet?

Posted by: Donald Trump at October 11, 2014 09:18 AM (zDsvJ)

23 Romney came, he saw, he lost to the current occupant. Add in his previous attempts and we really don't need a Republican version of William Jennings Bryan.

Ryan rode Romney's coattails into defeat and has shown some disturbing positions on certain issues since then. Pass.

Palin is a great gadfly, and it is great fun to watch proglodyte heads explode at the mere mention of her name, but she shows no signs of having learned how to deal with the media since running with McCain. As a candidate she would be a disaster waiting to happen.

Huckabee recently declared that the Republican Party either get on board with him in opposing SSM or he would leave the party. He should hurry and not let the door hit him in the tuchas on the way out. I absolutely will not support someone making such demands.

Posted by: Sam at October 11, 2014 09:18 AM (Tgd6y)

24 Why weren't Rubio, Christie, or Jeb Bush on that list? Surely the 3 of them would get more support that Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy, or Nikki Haley. Should have put everyone on list to be polled.

Also, Sarah Palin is NOT a serious candidate for President. If she stayed Governor or tried to do anything else the last 6 years, like run for Senate in Alaska or elsewhere, maybe. But she has done nothing but try to be a Reality TV Star and give her opinions on Fox News since the 2008 campaign. I'd never support her for President.

Posted by: rexbatt at October 11, 2014 09:19 AM (woA40)

25 I'm sorry it's so long, Soona. I wish I knew how to put in jump links.

Posted by: Donald Trump at October 11, 2014 09:19 AM (zDsvJ)

26 I live in California so my for President is just to show support.

It has no effect on the outcome.

I might write in my favorite type of pizza.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 09:20 AM (MQEz6)

27 ..vote for President..

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 09:20 AM (MQEz6)

28 24 Why weren't Rubio, Christie, or Jeb Bush on that list? Surely the 3 of them would get more support that Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy, or Nikki Haley. Should have put everyone on list to be polled.

Also, Sarah Palin is NOT a serious candidate for President. If she stayed Governor or tried to do anything else the last 6 years, like run for Senate in Alaska or elsewhere, maybe. But she has done nothing but try to be a Reality TV Star and give her opinions on Fox News since the 2008 campaign. I'd never support her for President.
Posted by: rexbatt at October 11, 2014 09:19 AM (woA40)

they didn't/don't poll well here?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at October 11, 2014 09:21 AM (u8GsB)

29 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Donald TrumpNot one effin bit you turd in asuit

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 11, 2014 09:21 AM (mIO9Y)

30 Do not understand some of the distaste for Ryan. Or are people not trusting the stated positions given above?

Posted by: THE TICK at October 11, 2014 09:22 AM (Tho1J)

31 rexbatt

from the post:

"This week's "round up" poll includes the four candidates discussed today and the top vote-getters from last week (Walker, Cruz, Perry, Jindal, Gowdy, Lee, Haley, Paul). Choose your top SIX Republican prospects for 2016:"

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at October 11, 2014 09:22 AM (u8GsB)

32 Why weren't Rubio, Christie, or Jeb Bush on that list? Surely the 3 of
them would get more support that Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy, or Nikki Haley.
Should have put everyone on list to be polled.
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They didn't poll well enough.

There's no way any of those three is going to pull a lot of support with the horde, so there's really no point in including them. I'm not going to do detailed research into the positions of candidates that have no shot here.

The point of this exercise (for me) is to see who I could really support and also to help us all keep from slitting our wrists by realizing that there are really good candidate options. Conservatives need to try their best to coalesce early behind strong candidates so we can keep turds like Jeb Bush out.

Posted by: Donald Trump at October 11, 2014 09:22 AM (zDsvJ)

33 *takes off wig and ugly tie*

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:22 AM (zDsvJ)

34 >>Yeah. I also realized that the things he rattled off are probably not doable.

So...big gov't solution that won't work.

We have a word for people who propose such things.

No, not that one.

Good heavens, not that one either.

I just meant "Democrat", alright??

Posted by: Mama AJ at October 11, 2014 09:24 AM (0xTsz)

35 Huckabee recently declared that the Republican Party either get on board with him in opposing SSM or he would leave the party.

It's tempting to swallow the SSM bitter pill to be rid of that nasty tape worm but don't believe it. He's like all those celebutards that promised to move to France and didn't.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 11, 2014 09:24 AM (jtgkZ)

36 30 Do not understand some of the distaste for Ryan. Or are people not trusting the stated positions given above?
Posted by: THE TICK at October 11, 2014 09:22 AM (Tho1J)

Ryan supports Amnesty and wants to do phony budget cuts and then call himself a fiscal warrior.

He's a fake.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 09:24 AM (MQEz6)

37 Posted by: Mama AJ at October 11, 2014 09:24 AM

Yep!

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:25 AM (zDsvJ)

38 Dr. Carson: a thing of the past?

I haven't been keeping up with him, as I seem to spend quite a large percentage of internets time loafing here.



And, here's to hoping the Tide's other shoe doesn't drop today.

Posted by: Orange Mule at October 11, 2014 09:26 AM (E4IuJ)

39 The deal with Social Security is going to require finesse. We can't touch the existing benefits, or else we risk losing the votes of beneficiaries so we need to reduce future claims.

I think we do that by, first, means testing benefits to reduce outflows (the richer people sure dont need transfer payments from the young!) and, second, by augmenting the system with an expanded tax exempt savings program of some sort, like Chile has.

Just abruptly ending it scares the shit out of people.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2014 09:27 AM (6um35)

40
I live in CaliforniaTexas so my vote for President is just to show support.

Also the primary is over before we get to vote.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 11, 2014 09:27 AM (jtgkZ)

41 Those 4? Are you fucking kidding me?

Glad your sense of humor is rocking this morning

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian. We're all hippos rolling down the River at October 11, 2014 09:28 AM (cAlVr)

42 He's a fake.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 09:24 AM (MQEz6)
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This goes back to the thread least weekend about our gut reactions to candidates. I am not 100% there yet on Ryan being a fake, but I'm leaning that way.At the very least it strikes me that a guy like Ryan might make a govt run a bit more cost-effectively, but he wouldn't make it smaller. That's my feeling about Romney, too. He'd *manage* govt efficiently, but not reduce its size.
And Huckabee's a weasel
I like Palin on a gut level, but she has too much baggage.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:28 AM (zDsvJ)

43 Your son, husband, and daughter all getting their asses kicked in a giant drunken brawl is more disqualifying than quitting before your first term is up.

Posted by: klaus kinski at October 11, 2014 09:28 AM (V17cY)

44 *takes off wig and ugly tie*

Posted by: Y-not


I can totally visualize the Donald pulling his tie, clothes and skin sundering, out out steps a Moron or 'ette.

But then, I do specialize in the absurd these days. Helps retain what little sanity I have remaining to me.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at October 11, 2014 09:30 AM (m9V0o)

45 God almighty, Y, what a post.

*Hats off to ya*



Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 09:30 AM (qjGUr)

46 Your son, husband, and daughter all getting their asses kicked in a giant drunken brawl is more disqualifying than quitting before your first term is up.

I would rather someone who fought and got their asses kicked than some milquetoast who gives a thousand excuses for not doing the right thing just because it might be problematic politically.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at October 11, 2014 09:31 AM (m9V0o)

47 "Dr. Carson: a thing of the past?"


He's not a thing.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 09:31 AM (qjGUr)

48 Hay Ricardo! Look outside, something strange happened last night. It's almost like the ground is.... wet?!?!?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 11, 2014 09:31 AM (jtgkZ)

49 Meh. This list is full of meh.

I don't know who I'd support from this bunch, which sucks since they're probably who we'll get stuck with.

Posted by: Lauren at October 11, 2014 09:32 AM (BPMYx)

50 I like Rick Perry, but in the last year or so he has seemed to drag his feet on a few of TX's major happenings.

Posted by: Soona at October 11, 2014 09:33 AM (q25Z1)

51 "because it might be problematic politically."


So, you think quitting your post in the middle of a term when things got a little hot is a bad thing?


Huh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 09:33 AM (qjGUr)

52 Of this batch, Ryan. But, only because I worked with him at Empower America and would find some way to weasel my violent, reactionary point of view into a position of un-paralleled power and influence. Absent that endorsement, I don't think he has the executive experience necessary to do the job.

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2014 09:33 AM (TETYm)

53 I did not pick Trey Gowdy because I think he is right where we need him.

Posted by: fluffy at October 11, 2014 09:34 AM (Ua6T/)

54 Maybe we'll see a dark horse arriving on the scene. But to save me I can't think of one.

Miss me yet?

Posted by: Donald Trump

****************

The Donald must have thought you said "horse's a$$" instead of "dark horse."

Posted by: Elinor, who usually looks lurkily at October 11, 2014 09:35 AM (95xxa)

55 Yeah, I get Bush and Christie won't pull much support from this crowd. But Trey Gowdy? Mike Lee? I'm one of those that think that if Rubio was on the ticket instead of Ryan last time, it could have made a couple million vote difference. Romney still probably would have lost, but Rubio would have been more electrifying, that's for sure.

Posted by: rexbatt at October 11, 2014 09:35 AM (woA40)

56 Lest ye plebes be concerned about how seriously I'm taking ISIL, we carried out an air strike yesterday.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at October 11, 2014 09:37 AM (HstNY)

57 AND another scandal* for the Ebola Admin: the father of the advanced team member at the center of Hookergate, had a 20K campaign donation returned to him, the day before he met with admin. officials about ?? Anyway, let's just heap outright bribery onto the heaping pile of excrement this crew leaves behind. It's at Fox News, above the "fold".
*yup, I know, the MFM will delay, obfuscate and coverup the coverup.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 11, 2014 09:37 AM (5buP8)

58 "It's almost like the ground is.... wet?!?!?"

Yeah, noticed that. Not a whole lot yet but I can see it did something.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 09:38 AM (qjGUr)

59 No Huckabee, please!!!! Of all the ones listed he is the least attractive.

As for Palin, she's much better as an outsider. Make her an attack dog constantly striking out at the Dem nominee as she's been doing with Obama. The MSM can't help but cover her, and she's been pretty good at harnessing that to get her message out (and make money, which I have no problem with). If the Republican wins in 2016 then he/she could consider Palin for a position - wouldn't it be awesome to make her Sec. of the Interior or Energy?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2014 09:39 AM (D/504)

60 Was beginning to think we lived on Arrakis.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 11, 2014 09:40 AM (jtgkZ)

61 Liberia took decisive action on Ebola late on Friday.
The govt ... banned all reporters from Ebola clinics.

Before the media ban, the director of one center had said they had 300 patients but only 150 beds, and that most of the staff had stopped showing up for work out of fear. And the ones who did show up refused to do their jobs.

..

Oh, the govt also canceled the upcoming elections. Well, technically "postponed indefinitely".

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 09:40 AM (ZPrif)

62 They will all eat my dust.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at October 11, 2014 09:40 AM (UPT5F)

63 >>I did not pick Trey Gowdy because I think he is right where we need him.

*IF* a Republican wins, make him Attorney General.
Heads would explode!!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2014 09:40 AM (D/504)

64 Back in 2012 Karl Denninger at the Market Ticker constantly called Ryan a liar. I thought that was a bit over the top at the time, but I see it now.

His balanced budget proposal was a joke. It promised to balance the budget some time in the future, without deep cuts now. It did that by assuming unrealistic rates of economic growth. It was nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Also, he debated a clown and lost.

Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2014 09:40 AM (sdi6R)

65 You'll have put Ryan and all the other 'Pubs in a position on immigration that forces them to defend a law written by Ted Kennedy. It doesn't work and needs to be reformed.

Remember that my point of view includes: Operation Wetback II, deportation appeals should take place at US embassy in their home country, landmines on the border, and a tax credit for small businessman who Gestapo their competitors who employ illegals.

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2014 09:41 AM (TETYm)

66
This is Nepal. I don't know what they are doing but it is so so gross:

http://goo.gl/SvVR2M

They kill a quarter million animals this way for some ceremony.

Posted by: EXCALIBUR: AVENGE ME!!! at October 11, 2014 09:41 AM (iQIUe)

67 No, no, no and no.

None of today's four. Nuh-uh. Ixnay. No way. Nevah.

I couldn't even find six out of the "complete" list I'd be at all comfortable voting for. Three, maybe. More like two.

Sorry, Y-not. Today's "contenders" need to go in the Ash-Heap of History.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 11, 2014 09:42 AM (A17aa)

68 Of this batch, Ryan. But, only because I worked with him at Empower
America and would find some way to weasel my violent, reactionary point
of view into a position of un-paralleled power and influence.
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That's interesting, Jean. Can you tell us a bit more about what he accomplished there?

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:42 AM (zDsvJ)

69 Romney's the adult in the room. I'm not with him on everything, but we desperately need a proven executive who can control a complex large organization. I'll support him if he runs. He can at least stem the bleeding.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at October 11, 2014 09:42 AM (yxw0r)

70 It's almost like the ground is.... wet?!?!?"


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Good rains here in OK yesterday. Expecting more tomorrow. Let it rain.

Posted by: Soona at October 11, 2014 09:42 AM (q25Z1)

71 The UN mission in Liberia had to quarantine 41 members of it's staff when one of the medical staff tested positive for Ebola.

Good thing we sent Marines there. That'll solve everything.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 09:42 AM (ZPrif)

72 I couldn't even find six out of the "complete" list I'd be at all comfortable voting for. Three, maybe. More like two.
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I had five. I tossed in Ryan as my sixth, but that would only be in an emergency.

I am hoping that when we burrow into them on the issues, we'll get more comfortable with some of these folks. No matter how she polls, I'm going to keep researching Haley b/c I am really curious about her, for example.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:44 AM (zDsvJ)

73 Frightful waste of electrons and bandwidth...

Posted by: M. Murcek at October 11, 2014 09:44 AM (GJUgF)

74 "Also, he debated a clown and lost."



Useless. In hindsight.


Clowns on the left, clowns on the right. No seriousness in between.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 09:44 AM (qjGUr)

75 Ryan losing to Biden in the VP Debate is going to be the pinnacle of his career.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2014 09:44 AM (ZSapd)

76 I know it's smaht for Cruz to be gathering allies in the political center of team R but the campaigning for Roberts still has be worried. Expecting to see him and Jeb in a loving embrace any day now.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 11, 2014 09:45 AM (jtgkZ)

77 >>This is Nepal. I don't know what they are doing but it is so so gross:


Think this is the Deshain festival. My sister happened upon this while in Nepal for some hiking - she saw way to many animals whacked or stabbed.

http://www.nepalhomepage.com/society/festivals/dashain

Posted by: Lizzy at October 11, 2014 09:46 AM (D/504)

78 36 30 Do not understand some of the distaste for Ryan. Or are people not trusting the stated positions given above?
Posted by: THE TICK at October 11, 2014 09:22 AM (Tho1J)

Ryan supports Amnesty and wants to do phony budget cuts and then call himself a fiscal warrior.

He's a fake.
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I got suspicious of Ryan when I read that his wife is a Democrat and that her family was a very active democrat family. Shades of Arnie.

Posted by: Chilling the most at October 11, 2014 09:46 AM (wWs6x)

79 Ryan didn't "lose." He won on the issues. But grinning like a cymbal-crashing monkey counts for more now.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at October 11, 2014 09:46 AM (yxw0r)

80 Frightful waste of electrons and bandwidth...


It's content. On a Saturday.

...or, are you new here?

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2014 09:47 AM (rdN3S)

81 " Expecting to see him and Jeb in a loving embrace any day now."

Already written off a mid-term, expect maybe I can sit out a POTUS 2016 too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 09:47 AM (qjGUr)

82 Something tells me I'm going to be less than enthused with my GOP presidential candidate choices.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 11, 2014 09:47 AM (AVWYi)

83 I know it's smaht for Cruz to be gathering allies in the political
center of team R but the campaigning for Roberts still has be worried.
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You know, I think I'll give him a pass on that. As some morons pointed out, it potlly makes the GOPe a little beholden to him. Also, think of it as Cruz working to try to get himself in the Majority party in the Senate.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:48 AM (zDsvJ)

84 Ryan didn't "lose." He won on the issues.


Pyrrhic Victory 2016

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2014 09:48 AM (rdN3S)

85 And, of course, there are some people that'll never be satisfied no matter who runs.

The way I see it, all of the candidates so far discussed (except for Huckaboy) would be better than the cankled one.

Posted by: Soona at October 11, 2014 09:48 AM (q25Z1)

86 @43 klaus kinski

"Your son, husband, and daughter all getting their asses kicked in a giant drunken brawl is more disqualifying than quitting before your first term is up."

Why? Murder, smoking crack and rape never stopped democrats from getting elected.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at October 11, 2014 09:49 AM (UPT5F)

87 66
This is Nepal. I don't know what they are doing but it is so so gross:

http://goo.gl/SvVR2M

They kill a quarter million animals this way for some ceremony.
Posted by: EXCALIBUR: AVENGE ME!!! at October 11, 2014 09:41 AM (iQIUe)

Per wikipedia it's the Gadhimai festival. They kill 250k animals once every five years to satisfy a pagan god.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 11, 2014 09:50 AM (AVWYi)

88 "Something tells me I'm going to be less than enthused with my GOP presidential candidate choices."


If, when, Perry is the "exciting" dark horse............God help us.

As a Texican.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 09:50 AM (qjGUr)

89 Completely o/t but recently people were asking what's next for the Ghey mafia. Well HuffPo is leading the charge with an article about legalizing incest between "consenting adults".

Next up is why can't a 12 year old offer consent?

Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2014 09:50 AM (HstNY)

90 Why? Murder, smoking crack and rape never stopped democrats from getting elected.

Errah!

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at October 11, 2014 09:51 AM (AVWYi)

91 @75 garrett

"Ryan losing to Biden in the VP Debate is going to be the pinnacle of his career."


Lost? We must of been watching different debates.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at October 11, 2014 09:52 AM (UPT5F)

92 How sweet. Traitors and spies are people, too!

Jim Roberts @nycjim 19m
New #Snowden documentary reveals girlfriend has been living with him in Russia since July. http://bit.ly/1sqW77J

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 09:52 AM (ZPrif)

93 89 Completely o/t but recently people were asking what's next for the Ghey mafia. Well HuffPo is leading the charge with an article about legalizing incest between "consenting adults".

Next up is why can't a 12 year old offer consent?
Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2014 09:50 AM

A 12 year old girl could get an abortion without parental knowledge or consent, so why not?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 11, 2014 09:52 AM (AVWYi)

94 Ryan, Romney and the other squishes will start talking about how "we can't just repeal ObamaCare" pretty damn soon after the election. We will hear all about "being the adults in the room" and "good government". I am on high alert about these fucking asshole beltway Republicans, and I own a pitchfork! Just sayin'.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2014 09:53 AM (6um35)

95 Only an idiot would think Biden won the debate.
Of course, America is about half-idiot at this point.

More importantly, VP debates don't mean jackshit.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 09:54 AM (ZPrif)

96 Already written off a mid-term

Oh no, I'm voting. I have a few liberal Republican incumbents here to vote against. Short term pain for long term gain. Are you not in Texas House District 60? Home of Mr Texas income tax?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 11, 2014 09:54 AM (jtgkZ)

97 "Next up is why can't a 12 year old offer consent?"


Organized, moral society is squarely in the cross-hairs. Their goal is to remove all standards, norms, and, regularity.


Chaos is the result. Chaos is a recurring theme among the left.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 09:54 AM (qjGUr)

98 Neids.
In the 2016 General Election, I would vote for a ham sandwich over the Democrat.

Makes it hard to not choose "All"

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 11, 2014 09:54 AM (FEnwa)

99 68 Of this batch, Ryan. But, only because I worked with him at Empower
America and would find some way to weasel my violent, reactionary point
of view into a position of un-paralleled power and influence.
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That's interesting, Jean. Can you tell us a bit more about what he accomplished there?
Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:42 AM (zDsvJ)

Nothing really, basically we raised money to keep Kemp, Bennett, and Kirkpatrick in play during the early Clinton years. Vin Weber was key as well. I worked part-time in Vin Webers basement raising cash, Ryan was up in the K street office. I was out of there by late 1995.

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2014 09:54 AM (TETYm)

100 Organized, moral society is squarely in the cross-hairs. Their goal is to remove all standards, norms, and, regularity.

Well, yes. That's been the goal for a long time and they're winning.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 11, 2014 09:55 AM (AVWYi)

101 >>> Your son, husband, and daughter all getting their asses kicked in a giant drunken brawl

Pics or it didn't happen

Posted by: fluffy at October 11, 2014 09:55 AM (Ua6T/)

102 Nobody, in the history of voting, has ever voted against their preferred candidate for President because of the candidate for Vice President.

That's just fact.

Nobody voted against Obama because Biden was his VP candidate. Nobody who wanted McCain as president voted against him because Palin was on the ticket.

On the reverse side, I don't believe anyone voted for Obama because Biden was the VP candidate. However, there were a lot of people who voted for McCain because Palin was his VP.

Whoever the nominee is in 2016 should look at things in a realistic light and consider driving the left totally insane by taking Palin along as VP. As an added benefit, a win would be a thousand times sweeter with her on the ticket.

Just getting elected is not enough. This coming election needs to be a time to rub the liberal faces in shit.

Posted by: jwest at October 11, 2014 09:55 AM (u2a4R)

103 Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at October 11, 2014 09:52 AM (UPT5F)

Seriously? I thought Ryan looked bewitched, bothered and totally bewildered in that debate. A nonsense-talking escapee from an asylum wiped the floor with him. Ryan lost and should go away quietly, having proved himself deficient.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2014 09:56 AM (6um35)

104 Huckabee scores higher than Palin.

First transport available I'm off this island.



Posted by: Aim to Disbelivin' at October 11, 2014 09:57 AM (vG0vn)

105 94 Ryan, Romney and the other squishes will start talking about how "we can't just repeal ObamaCare" pretty damn soon after the election.

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2014 09:53 AM (6um35)



That's already started. Last night Mark Levin played an interview with Susan Collins. She was asked about repealing or defunding Obamacare, and replied (paraphrasing), "I think we're past that now. We'll be introducing legislation to fix the problems."

Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2014 09:58 AM (sdi6R)

106 Tom Nichols @TheWarRoom_Tom 10h
So, #Snowden's gf claims to be abandoned w/o a word, with no money. Silent for a year. Turns up in Moscow.

No, none of that seems odd.


John Schindler @20committee 10h
Unlike KGB Cold War practice, Kremlin wants the world to see obvious truth behind #SnowdenOp. Putin views us with contempt & doesn't care.

John Schindler @20committee 10h
#SnowdenOp is a brilliant Kremlin success & with Ed's GF moving to Moscow they're doing a very public victory dance. Make that lap dance.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 10:00 AM (ZPrif)

107 With all the hot Russian hookers, why would he bring his GF to Moscow?

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2014 10:01 AM (TETYm)

108 105
94 Ryan, Romney and the other squishes will start talking about how
"we can't just repeal ObamaCare" pretty damn soon after the election.



Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2014 09:53 AM (6um35)





>>>That's already started. Last night Mark Levin played an interview with Susan Collins.

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Yeah, I saw that. Depressing.

Even more depressing is the drumbeat in some GOP circles to will Obama to give the urchins amnesty so, get this, "the issue is off the table."

SMH. As if there are no bad consequences to opening our borders to a bunch of unemployable future Democrat voters.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 10:02 AM (zDsvJ)

109 "Are you not in Texas House District 60? Home of Mr Texas income tax?"


Yes. Is Keffer going off the rails?


Did not know this........?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 10:02 AM (qjGUr)

110 Yeah if I was Snowden part of my payment would have been Anna Chapman.

Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2014 10:03 AM (HstNY)

111 I doubt Palin will run and the media had pretty much destroyed her chances. I still like her though and mostly because she put people in prison who broke the law during the administration previous to hers.

We NEED that to happen in 2016. There is no chance for it to happen while TFG is in the White House, but it must happen if we are to continue as a free republic. People must pay for their crimes who hold positions of power or else there is really no point.

Posted by: Dandolo at October 11, 2014 10:03 AM (0XBx+)

112 That's our Peggy!

Mediaite @Mediaite 18h
Peggy Noonan Trashes Panetta Book: 'Obnoxious,' 'Catty,' 'Dumb and Grinding' http://bit.ly/ZiYCvJ

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 10:04 AM (ZPrif)

113 110 Yeah if I was Snowden part of my payment would have been Anna Chapman.
Posted by: Adam at October 11, 2014 10:03 AM (HstNY)

Putin would have delivered.

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2014 10:04 AM (TETYm)

114 I'm your Huckleberry.

Posted by: SMOD at October 11, 2014 10:05 AM (ftYHY)

115 We don't need folks who can run government well, who can manage government well.

We need folks who can tear the damn Machine apart and melt down the pieces.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 10:05 AM (MQEz6)

116 But also a cocktease. So....mixed bag.

Posted by: SMOD at October 11, 2014 10:06 AM (ftYHY)

117 20 I hate commenting on my phone.
Posted by: Soona at October 11, 2014 09:18 AM (q25Z1)


Suggestion: maybe get off your phone and sit on a chair - way more comfortable than a phone

Posted by: MikeH at October 11, 2014 10:06 AM (4OZqu)

118 Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 10:00 AM (ZPrif)

Why the hell do people still Edward Snowden up?

Posted by: thathalfrican at October 11, 2014 10:07 AM (R5HRU)

119 So I read Pence is kinda sorta considering running. He might be worth researching, but I might hold off on that until it's a little more of a possibility. Maybe after the Nov elections I can do another poll to see if there are a few more candidates we need researched.


Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 10:08 AM (zDsvJ)

120 Dammit. Still hold Edward Snowden up*

Posted by: thathalfrican at October 11, 2014 10:08 AM (R5HRU)

121 If this is what's being fielded then we're hosed. Our strategy is the one guy who couldn't get elected, or three other guys/gal with even less of a chance?

Posted by: Roadrunner at October 11, 2014 10:09 AM (nWv04)

122 snowden can't enter the USA because his passport has been revoked but this administration does nothing about revoking the passports of isis terrorists

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at October 11, 2014 10:10 AM (u8GsB)

123 For the record: Of today's six, I went with Palin...only because she was the only one even close to acceptable.

If I had my druthers, there are three or four in the queue ahead of her. Frankly she's more useful as an attack dog than a candidate.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at October 11, 2014 10:10 AM (m9V0o)

124 Y-Not should run another poll.

Take the same list and ask:

"Who, if elected president, would actually make substantial changes during their term?"

Cruz, Gowdy, Palin.

Posted by: jwest at October 11, 2014 10:11 AM (u2a4R)

125 We can track people who have fought for ISIL effectively. Just like we did with the Tsarnaev brothers.

Posted by: FBI Director Jackass at October 11, 2014 10:11 AM (HstNY)

126 You mean, why do some still support Snowden?
I don't know.
Cause 2% of the classified intel he stole exposed some NSA spying programs they don't like I guess.

John Schindler @20committee 11h
Insider estimate is that under 2% of documents that #Snowden stole & betrayed had anything to do with any #NSA domestic programs. Hmmmm...


John Schindler @20committee 12h
It's becoming increasingly clear that #Snowden joined #NSA with the intent of betrayal, document theft, treason & and defection to Moscow.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 10:11 AM (ZPrif)

127 115 We don't need folks who can run government well, who can manage government well.

We need folks who can tear the damn Machine apart and melt down the pieces.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 10:05 AM (MQEz6)


+1000

Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2014 10:11 AM (sdi6R)

128 You're killing me, Slim. I need a button that says it's killing me to even have to pick a button.

Posted by: Miss Scarlett at October 11, 2014 10:11 AM (4MZD9)

129 Off to work.

Posted by: Soona at October 11, 2014 10:12 AM (q25Z1)

130 Because I'm a "giver" who puts the needs of the horde above her own happiness, this week's thread is on Familiar Faces: Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Mike Huckabee, and Sarah Palin.

You owe me.


No... no we don't. If it's possible to miss by a country mile, this post qualifies.

Next post please.

Be back later...

P.S. -- Good morning y'all.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at October 11, 2014 10:12 AM (lJaja)

131 You know, I think I'll give him a pass on that. As some morons pointed out, it potlly makes the GOPe a little beholden to him. Also, think of it as Cruz working to try to get himself in the Majority party in the Senate.
Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 09:48 AM (zDsvJ)


It would be nice to believe that it would make them a little beholden to him. But then I think about who they are and laugh at the absurdity of them willing to take a chance.

Its like ace mentioning on the podcast. Yeah the Republicans didn't really wind up with any Akins or O'Donnells this time around but they've done it at the expense of enthusiasm and support from a large bit of the base.

They have gone and learned the wrong lesson from 2010 and 2012. Instead of looking for candidates that are good and acceptable to the base they've gone "Fuck you we're going to shove our establishment 10% more 'conservative' than democrat candidates down your throats you dumb hicks and you'll like it."

Posted by: buzzion at October 11, 2014 10:13 AM (zt+N6)

132 12 eman at October 11, 2014 09:12 AM (MQEz6)

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Regarding Social Security and old folks, why would old folks cheer when a candidate favors "reforming" Social Security?

"Reform" means taking money away from those selfsame old folks. Considering they had been forced to pay into that system forever, why would they favor taking the money away?

Posted by: WhyMe at October 11, 2014 10:14 AM (l9mF2)

133 71 The UN mission in Liberia had to quarantine 41 members of it's staff when one of the medical staff tested positive for Ebola.

Good thing we sent Marines there. That'll solve everything.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 09:42 AM (ZPrif)


At first I thought, they are oveer there actually doing something for a change. Then I realized that since they are all in quarnatine, they are back to doing what they do best: nothing.

Posted by: EXCALIBUR: AVENGE ME!!! at October 11, 2014 10:14 AM (iQIUe)

134 Is Keffer going off the rails?

Been off for a long time, this year we gave him a good scare in the primary.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 11, 2014 10:14 AM (jtgkZ)

135 Ditto, CPT.Charles post.
A lot of work went into this post. It was a colossal waste of time.
It's like we are thirteen year olds, wondering which star had the best and worst outfit at the MTV awards.
Sorry, not playing, better things to do this morning.

Posted by: Jen at October 11, 2014 10:15 AM (wEVTq)

136 Romney is the only one who looks like a president. But I reject anyone who supports a "path to citizenship" for people who invaded my country, stole from the taxpayers, and spread disease and crime.

Posted by: despair at October 11, 2014 10:15 AM (j3FnZ)

137 136 Romney is the only one who looks like a president. But I reject anyone who supports a "path to citizenship" for people who invaded my country, stole from the taxpayers, and spread disease and crime.
Posted by: despair at October 11, 2014 10:15 AM (j3FnZ)

They do the work Americans don't want to do, my friend

Posted by: McCain at October 11, 2014 10:17 AM (4OZqu)

138 136 Romney is the only one who looks like a president...

Posted by: despair at October 11, 2014 10:15 AM (j3FnZ)

I'd have to see him in pleated jeans first

Posted by: MikeH at October 11, 2014 10:18 AM (4OZqu)

139 Per wikipedia it's the Gadhimai festival. They kill 250k animals once every five years to satisfy a pagan god.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 11, 2014 09:50 AM (AVWYi)
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Like an election cycle!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at October 11, 2014 10:18 AM (QBm1P)

140 132 12 eman at October 11, 2014 09:12 AM (MQEz6)

--------------------------

Regarding Social Security and old folks, why would old folks cheer when a candidate favors "reforming" Social Security?

"Reform" means taking money away from those selfsame old folks. Considering they had been forced to pay into that system forever, why would they favor taking the money away?

Posted by: WhyMe at October 11, 2014 10:14 AM (l9mF2)

Well, that's the problem right there.

Instead of retiring on their money they retire on the money taken from working people.

They are now on welfare disguised as something else.

So, yeah, in their self-interest they resist change.

So, do you see the powerful evil of this Democrat monster called SS?

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 10:19 AM (MQEz6)

141 Good Heritage discussion on the current state of the Left

Kevin Williamson's 5 min summary and explanation of why the Left has failed intellectually and are resorting to ever increasing authoritarianism is short and well-stated.

http://youtu.be/WnWKVhHPQpE?t=26m35s

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 10:19 AM (ZPrif)

142 i'm confused.....how is this a waste of time?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at October 11, 2014 10:19 AM (u8GsB)

143 How much I trust candidates on moral issues...
Huckabee 95%
Palin 90% -- but she's not electable
Cruz 75%
Rubio 70% -- but amnesty
Ryan 55% -- but amnesty
Perry 55%
Romney 35%
Paul 4%
Walker don't know

But any of them beats a Democrat

Posted by: edj at October 11, 2014 10:19 AM (klzyR)

144 Regarding Social Security and old folks, why would old folks cheer when a candidate favors "reforming" Social Security?

"Reform" means taking money away from those selfsame old folks. Considering they had been forced to pay into that system forever, why would they favor taking the money away?

Posted by: WhyMe at October 11, 2014 10:14 AM (l9mF2)

Reform has become a dirty word because the Dem's have been incredibly successful at lying about every reform package that has been proposed. Tell a 65 year old that SS should be reformed for those who are 30 and they completely block out the second half of the sentence. The Dems have convinced everyone that any change to SS at all means that SS is being cut. Period.
We need to reform how SS is presented. We should be saying something such as enhanced, stabilized, etc. Challenge the Dems once again to demonize the word we use and then go after it.

Posted by: Jen at October 11, 2014 10:20 AM (wEVTq)

145 A lot of work went into this post. It was a colossal waste of time.

It's like we are thirteen year olds, wondering which star had the best and worst outfit at the MTV awards.
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I felt it was necessary to do a post on Mitt because he's threatening to run and the GOPe clearly WANTS him to run again.

I have to ask myself, could I vote for him again. He broke my heart last time. Worse than Fred! did in 2008, because I had to talk myself into supporting him and giving him money.

So that's why I did this post.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 10:21 AM (zDsvJ)

146 145 A lot of work went into this post. It was a colossal waste of time.

It's like we are thirteen year olds, wondering which star had the best and worst outfit at the MTV awards.
---

I felt it was necessary to do a post on Mitt because he's threatening to run and the GOPe clearly WANTS him to run again.

I have to ask myself, could I vote for him again. He broke my heart last time. Worse than Fred! did in 2008, because I had to talk myself into supporting him and giving him money.

So that's why I did this post.
Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 10:21 AM (zDsvJ)

You don't owe anyone an explanation.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 10:23 AM (MQEz6)

147 "95
Only an idiot would think Biden won the debate.

Of course, America is about half-idiot at this point."

52% !

Posted by: that guy what says 52% ! at October 11, 2014 10:23 AM (j3FnZ)

148 But I reject anyone
who supports a "path to citizenship" for people who invaded my country,
stole from the taxpayers, and spread disease and crime.
---

I really think that Romney, Ryan, and others are pushing for a Guest Worker program. A vastly expanded one.

Thing is, although I support skilled folks getting work visas (having been in the sciences, I know that's necessary) that has nothing to do with the people flooding across our borders now.

I am not sure I want this country to have a large, permanent underclass of guest workers.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 10:24 AM (zDsvJ)

149 Nice work!

Posted by: T. Jeff at October 11, 2014 10:24 AM (+Mbsz)

150 Why would Democratic gubernatorial candidate Mary Burke choose someone once charged with domestic abuse to star in her latest campaign ad?

Featured in Burke's 15-second abortion spot is Erin Forrest, a Democrat active in the party. She has been the Jefferson County Democratic Party chairwoman since at least 2011 and led the recall efforts against GOP Gov. Scott Walker in her county.

But in 2013, Forrest -- who then went by the name Erin Sievert -- was charged with two misdemeanor counts of domestic abuse, the first for battery and the second for disorderly conduct, for a scuffle she had with her then-husband.

Jefferson County prosecutors offered Forrest a deferred prosecution agreement a month after charges were filed. Under a deferred prosecution deal, a defendant pleads guilty to the charges in exchange for having them dropped if she stays out of trouble for a certain period of time and completes other requirements.

Posted by: Mark Snow at October 11, 2014 10:25 AM (e8kgV)

151 >>I'd have to see him in pleated jeans first

I lol'd, MikeH. Thanks for that!

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 10:26 AM (zDsvJ)

152 I love these posts of YNot. Not only are they a tremendous amount of work, they make me clarify my own thinking. Not just going from one person to the next like a groupie but really thinking about their positions. I find this very helpful

Thanks YNot

Posted by: ThunderB at October 11, 2014 10:26 AM (zOTsN)

153 Biden won the debate.

How?

Ryan let Biden be Biden.

You could have replaced Ryan with a potted palm tree and have had the same outcome.

Been won because he was the only guy that showed up.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 10:26 AM (MQEz6)

154 Y-Not, wow, these posts must take a lot of work and are so important and helpful so we actually know what the potential candidates think, rather than just run with our biases. For example, I didn't know Romney has now become a squish on illegal immigration.

Great work, and thank you.

Posted by: Chique - free MWR! at October 11, 2014 10:27 AM (r+7wo)

155 I am not sure I want this country to have a large, permanent underclass of guest workers.

Posted by: Y-not

We already do

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2014 10:27 AM (TETYm)

156 Biden, iPad, not Been.

Posted by: eman at October 11, 2014 10:28 AM (MQEz6)

157 "Been off for a long time"


Shit. I really haven't been paying attention to State stuff. What's he saying?







Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 10:29 AM (qjGUr)

158 Bob Dole wants to know why he wasn't included in this survey.

Posted by: SpongeBobDole at October 11, 2014 10:29 AM (jtgkZ)

159 Any Guest worker program would rapidly morph into amnesty because courts

Posted by: ThunderB at October 11, 2014 10:30 AM (zOTsN)

160 Romney? RINO.
Ryan? RINO
HUCKABEE? DIABLO on the verge of being just D.
No. No. Hell, no.

Now, Sarah… ah, Sarah.

Can anyone really tell me how she was as a Governor before she started getting attacked to immobility Nixon-style?

I'd vote for her absolutely in a minute just because if she won, the war is on, like electing Lincoln, and it starts with a million Regressive heads exploding on election night.

From a practical standpoint, though, I'd like to know whether she'd pick good people and listen to them. One doesn't have to be the Smartest Man in the Room to be a wise administrator. Being the Humblest helps, though. There is only one person I know of in the field of candidates who openly swears to want to be of service to God. That doesn't make her qualified, by itself. But, in this current battle against the Worldwide Confederation of Liars, it would be nice to have someone battling in the name of the Spirit of Truth.



Morning, Glories. #2, if you saw my late hello last thread. I saw the pix above and this tl;dr just burst through my keyboard. Now I'll go catch up on the thread, maybe even read the post…

Posted by: mindful webworker - Palin/West 2016 - it could work at October 11, 2014 10:30 AM (ViI/n)

161 I think Jen above was criticizing the horde, not y-not. As in, this post was long and impressive and informative, but wasted on a group of children who are just gonna scream about who is prettiest.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 10:30 AM (ZPrif)

162 Nood

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at October 11, 2014 10:32 AM (zDsvJ)

163 Obama epitomizes the American dream ...

... that any child can grow up to be President ...

... even an incompetent asshole like Barack Obama

Posted by: Chris Matthews at October 11, 2014 10:32 AM (e8kgV)

164 i'd hug you y-not but apparently we are not a hugging blog anymore.....so i'm going to punch you in the arm, not hard enough to bruise, just hard enough to indicate "good job" & thank you......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at October 11, 2014 10:33 AM (u8GsB)

165 I would support Palin enthusiastically if she had done anything in the past six years to indicate she was interested in doing something other than being a folksy political celebrity.

Since her convention speech knocked me off my feet, I've slowly come to the conclusion that she's a white, female, conservative Barack Obama.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 11, 2014 10:33 AM (4ckfx)

166 "Whoever the nominee is in 2016 should look at things in a realistic
light and consider driving the left totally insane by taking Palin along
as VP. As an added benefit, a win would be a thousand times sweeter
with her on the ticket."


I was a big supporter of hers, but she has done nothing to increase her amount of executive experience since 2009. Obama has more executive experience now, even considering all the golf and fund raising.

She's also done nothing to change "the Narrative" about her. Her focus has been on making money as a celebrity.

Posted by: despair at October 11, 2014 10:33 AM (j3FnZ)

167 IMO, anyone still touting "comprehensive immigration reform " at this time when we have the debacle on the border and potential infiltration by ISIS and Ebola has disqualified him/herself.

The focus should be on returning sanity to the border and enforcing our immigration laws. Then we can perhaps talk.

Posted by: Chique - free MWR! at October 11, 2014 10:34 AM (r+7wo)

168 Fuck Jethro Bush with a pineapple sideways.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 11, 2014 10:34 AM (u7b7s)

169 Keffer authored or co-authored (or sponsrored) a shit load of bills over the last few years.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 10:34 AM (qjGUr)

170 Finding the ideal candidate means nothing if the voting process itself is crooked. I'm still livid that overseas military votes may have been deliberately discounted. Voter ID and tamper-proof ballots, please.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at October 11, 2014 10:35 AM (QBm1P)

171 Keffer has a good cover story. He says he's doing it to reduce property taxes but he's either lying or as naive as a 5 year old. Keeps coming up with these schemes to create a new tax of some sort to make up for lost revenue in reduced property taxes.

We all know what happens after you reduce one tax and create a new one.

He's also a big spender, the reason team D don't bother to run anyone against him most years is that he is already to the left of your average Texas demoncrat.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at October 11, 2014 10:36 AM (jtgkZ)

172 Thx guys.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at October 11, 2014 10:37 AM (zDsvJ)

173 i'm confused.....how is this a waste of time?
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at October 11, 2014 10:19 AM (u8GsB)

Why would I spend time debating which losing candidate from the last two elections I would favor supporting again for 2016?
I feel very strongly that Hillary is NOT going to be the Democrat nominee. It is going to be somebody such as Elizabeth Warren, or a female candidate who appears more moderate. That way, the Dems can have their "first female president" guilt meme and someone who appears to not be ready for assisted living. Someone who appeals to the younger SSM/free abortions crowd, which appears to becoming a larger part of this society. If she were Latino, that's even better, because we can help get the racist, female, brown people meme up and running.

So yes, let's run every failed old white guy, or woman with a voice like fingernails on a chalkboard(I love Sarah Palin as an agitator and Republican conscience, but she is not a viable candidate). Better yet, let's run a chubby Christian minister who has been on TV playing his bass guitar
and hasn't run a successful campaign for anything other than his governorship from what, ten years ago?
We should be creating enthusiasm and interest in people OTHER than these folks. I'd much rather talk about someone such as Susan Martinez, Mike Pence, Nikki Hayley than to drag out these corpses and cry about how unfair it was they didn't make it.

Posted by: Jen at October 11, 2014 10:37 AM (wEVTq)

174 We're monitoring thousands of ISIS sympathizers but really there's nothing to fear.

Posted by: MI5 at October 11, 2014 10:38 AM (HstNY)

175 My state ,Virginia, had a secret convention in Bum Fuck Egypt where some boy loving lobbyist was given the nomination.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 11, 2014 10:38 AM (u7b7s)

176 I'm with Jen on this one. well said.

Posted by: goatexchange at October 11, 2014 10:38 AM (i6n0L)

177 Paul Ryan doesn't eat birthday cake when offered to him. I knew it then and there in 2012 that this guy was a twerp. His inept handling of Joe Biden, who is by all accounts brain damaged, should forever disqualify him from the world of retail politics. Ryan should go to work at a Think Tank and do Saturday afternoon interviews on C-SPAN 3.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 11, 2014 10:39 AM (HR3fb)

178 Hailey/Palin 2016: 100% of the straight male vote. GOP slogan 2016 : " We have elbows, you have cankles!"

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 11, 2014 10:39 AM (5buP8)

179 I'm voting third party on Senator, and Brat for the accursed one's seat.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 11, 2014 10:40 AM (u7b7s)

180 The "You owe me" comment kinda irked, but the volume and quality of the post was most excellent. Thanks, Y-not.

2016 will be a reform cycle with a "Trust" presidential campaign.

If Sarah Palin wants the job ....etc., etc.,

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2014 10:40 AM (JBggj)

181 "she was interested in doing something other than being a folksy political celebrity."


Fantastic description. I don't completely trust her.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 10:40 AM (qjGUr)

182 I think Jen above was criticizing the horde, not y-not. As in, this post was long and impressive and informative, but wasted on a group of children who are just gonna scream about who is prettiest.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at October 11, 2014 10:30 AM (ZPrif)

No, I was criticizing the post.LOL! And no, I"m not criticizing Y-Not, I appreciate the amount of work that goes into ANY post on here.

Posted by: Jen at October 11, 2014 10:41 AM (wEVTq)

183 It's two card Monty , only there is no pea under either shell.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 11, 2014 10:41 AM (u7b7s)

184 "He's also a big spender, the reason team D don't bother to run anyone
against him most years is that he is already to the left of your average
Texas demoncrat."

Thank you, Sponge. Blind spot for me over the last few years.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 11, 2014 10:43 AM (qjGUr)

185 I can understand a conservative agreeing with Palin's views on most issues, (that describes me) but you have to be delusional to think she even has a remote shot at ever being President. She couldn't even last a single term as Governor of Alaska without cashing out and doing a reality show. She's a joke and clearly prefers to be a celebrity.

Huckabee is a likable guy, and he is genuinely charismatic. but the SoCon moment for the GOP has not only passed, it's costing us elections. And Huckabee is beyond extreme (yet he's a big government liberal on the issues that really matter and is open borders).

His support for Akin makes it clear he has no idea how America has changed over the last 30 years. I could see millions leaving the GOP and either giving up on politics or joining Democrats if he were the nominee. Especially female voters.

Posted by: Uniden at October 11, 2014 10:43 AM (13G+x)

186 I hope Sarah Palin becomes a multi-billionaire, then creates a mercenary nuclear force to annihilate Washington DC and seize control of the US. California and the NE will be exiled (followed by months of carpet bombing).

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 11, 2014 10:44 AM (HR3fb)

187 180
If Sarah Palin wants the job ....etc., etc.,

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2014 10:40 AM (JBggj)



That's what I thought about 2012. I really thought she was going to run.

I suspect she realizes that the Burning Times are now inevitable.

Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2014 10:44 AM (sdi6R)

188 Captain Whitebread posting this one more time. Horde please pass this on to him. See what Sean Bannion did for Washington Nearsider and the Horde came through.

Set up a GoFundMe and ask the Horde for donations. To help offset your hospital bills. Unlike Kickstarter there is no threshold before it pays out. You can tell it to direst deposit to your bank account every day or at a different interval. Of course there is a 15% skim off the top they do, but such fees are common to any such site.

On a lighter note I might see the costume before Halloween. But the boots seem to be in transit limbo. And as the fashion conscious know, its simply not a good costume or ensemble without the right boots.

Oh well back to my mad scribblings.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2014 10:45 AM (2/xEi)

189 So that's why I did this post.

Thanks,
Where's CBD to remind the complainers of the HotAir button.

Posted by: DaveA at October 11, 2014 10:46 AM (DL2i+)

190 It's been six years and people are still arguing about Sarah Palin. Even "The View" hires panelists for their POV on Palin.

MWW makes the point succinctly:

"I'd vote for her absolutely in a minute just because if she won, the
war is on, like electing Lincoln, and it starts with a million
Regressive heads exploding on election night.
"

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2014 10:46 AM (JBggj)

191 NDH. I don't know why this song came to my mind, but I know you will enjoy it in spite of the stupid video.



http://tinyurl.com/kokudfx

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 11, 2014 10:47 AM (0FSuD)

192 I had high hopes for Paul Ryan, but his support for Amnesty is disqualifying. I was also not impressed with his role as VP nominee, and he couldn't even deliver his home state.

Also, Ryan seems to have a tin ear when it comes to politics. Pushing his Medicare voucher program while Obama was President was a HUGE gift for Democrats. Can we at least go after programs that aren't hugely popular with the middle class? We do have to win elections after all.

He has this "nice guys finish last" stink on him.

Posted by: Uniden at October 11, 2014 10:47 AM (13G+x)

193 It all points to the fact that we need candidates who are ready to circumvent the corrupt existing process and are willing to take power and slaughter enemies. Palin fits the bill. She'll have the support of the military, I can use my contacts to ensure that happens.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 11, 2014 10:48 AM (HR3fb)

194 "I'd vote for her absolutely in a minute just because if she won, the
war is on, like electing Lincoln, and it starts with a million
Regressive heads exploding on election night.
"

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2014 10:46 AM (JBggj)


Absolutely.

But she doesn't even need to be president. VP will do.

Posted by: jwest at October 11, 2014 10:49 AM (u2a4R)

195 having been in the sciences, I know that's necessary)

Why is it necessary to import competition to depress some Americans wages?
Can we just get a new ruling class dragged in since ours suck?
Some Caudillos and Generales for the spiffy uniforms?

Posted by: DaveA at October 11, 2014 10:50 AM (DL2i+)

196 "According to classical Jewish law, President Clinton did not commit adultery; adultery is defined as a married man having intercourse with a married woman, and Monica Lewinsky is single," said the Jan. 27, 1999, e-mail that ended up with White House adviser and political fixer Sidney Blumenthal [who lied about his time before a DC grand jury].

Posted by: Ken Starr at October 11, 2014 10:50 AM (e8kgV)

197 Polliwog set something up for Captain Whitebread.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 11, 2014 10:50 AM (9Y7bY)

198 Barb, do you have a link to it?

Thanks.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2014 10:54 AM (2/xEi)

199 Bob's House> "Ryan didn't 'lose.' He won on the issues. But grinning like a cymbal-crashing monkey counts for more now."

Yes.

Nixon also won the debates, but grinning etc. as you said. (I remember my dad raging around the room, furious as he realized what TV was doing.)



VP Showdown 2012
What I saw going on between the candidates
a photoshoppy webwork thing from 2012 Oct
http://bit.ly/vp2012d

Posted by: mindful webworker - Palin/West 2016 - it could work at October 11, 2014 10:58 AM (ViI/n)

200 T his is the gofundme link for Captain Whitebread's bypass:

http://www.gofundme.com/fo7vuc

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2014 11:00 AM (n4T5x)

201 I want to address the idea that illegals should get to the "back of the line". This is the position Republicans take on amnesty. We'll give them amnesty but they have to get to the back of the line.

Total bullshit. There is no front of the line or back of the line. That's because there isn't one line. There are about 1000 different lines when it comes to immigration. Are you the sister of a US citizen? Line A. Are you the brother of a green card holder? Line B. Are you married to a US citizen? Line C. And so on.

All amnesty will do is create a few extra lines for illegals who are now amnestied. So in reality some illegals will be at the front of those new lines and some will be at the back. But to say they they all have to go to the back is a lie.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2014 11:01 AM (0LHZx)

202 First one to declare his/her intention to balance the budget and use veto in that regard, and then point to a consistent record of voting for that for real, gets my vote.

Posted by: goatexchange at October 11, 2014 11:03 AM (sYUHT)

203 Rep. Alan Grayson @AlanGrayson
You can win a free trip to Orlando to meet Nancy Pelosi and me.


... and second prize is a 11-course meal with Nancy Pelosi and Alan Grayson

Posted by: Dewey, Cheatem & Howe at October 11, 2014 11:03 AM (e8kgV)

204 Spock boob tattoos linked in my sock! (If this posts.)

Posted by: andycanuck at October 11, 2014 11:03 AM (Kgwlx)

205 I don't think he can win. But I would be very happy with President Romney.

Is he perfect? No. Does he hold every position I hold? Fuck no. Do I think he's an honest man who loves his country? YES!!

And at this point, it's about as good as I can ask for.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2014 11:04 AM (0LHZx)

206 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2014 10:45 AM (2/xEi)
----
Yes everybody, please chip in a little for CAPT Whitebread's bypass recovery party.

Agree with you on the boots, Anna. They are crucial to the ensemble. Right now I'm debating f***ability versus walkability.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at October 11, 2014 11:04 AM (QBm1P)

207 It all comes down to funding. if the budget is balanced, it forces fiscal discipline on all the other cockamamie, goofy ideas Congress seems to jerk around.

Posted by: Leanback, Wackit, and Mohn at October 11, 2014 11:05 AM (sYUHT)

208 >>You know, I think I'll give him a pass on that. As some morons pointed out, it potlly makes the GOPe a little beholden to him. Also, think of it as Cruz working to try to get himself in the Majority party in the Senate.

Or you could just think of it as Cruz doing his job. He's in the leadership of the dreaded establishment RNSC along with Jerry Moran and Rob Portman and this is exactly what the RNSC does, raise money and support incumbent Republican Senators.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2014 11:10 AM (g1DWB)

209 I tend to tack towards walkability. These boots are far more than I am used to but we shall see if I can walk in them without breaking some part of my anatomy. Whenever they arrive.

http://tinyurl.com/ojybvlf

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 11, 2014 11:12 AM (2/xEi)

210 On June 6, three days before the state senator's resignation became official, [US Sen Mark R] Warner called Puckett's son, Joseph, and discussed an appointment to the federal bench as well as a potential corporate position for Martha Puckett Ketron, according to Joseph Puckett's attorney, Charles E. "Chuck" James Jr. of Williams Mullen.

James said that Warner suggested a post for Ketron at CGI, at high-tech firm Warner helped lure to Southwest Virginia when he was governor a decade ago.


... now hold on there a second Baba Looey.
*I'll* do the "thin'in'" around here! -And *don't* you for-git *it*!

Isn't CGI the companies that worked on that web site, known for the worst rollout in US history, healthcare.gov ?


Posted by: Bill Nye at October 11, 2014 11:14 AM (e8kgV)

211 >>
having been in the sciences, I know that's necessary)

Why is it necessary to import competition to depress some Americans wages?
---

When I had a lab, I had two foreign nationals as my full-time lab techs. One I flew over from England.

It's simply because there are not enough Americans going into those lines of work. Americans who have a science edge tend to go to med school (or think they're going to med school) or something higher-paying than being a lab tech.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 11:16 AM (zDsvJ)

212 She's also done nothing to change "the Narrative" about her. Her focus has been on making money as a celebrity.

I guess raising money and campaigning for conservatives the last couple of election cycles means nothing to you. By all means, keep the leftwing media narrative going.

Posted by: Hadoop at October 11, 2014 11:20 AM (Ph479)

213 What happened to the "I'd rather feed myself into a woodchipper" option?

Mittbot 3000: a guy who his son now tells us "never really wanted to be President," and thus helped give us another term for Barack Obama, might want to not really be President again. HELL NO.

Paul Ryan: rolled in a debate by a borderline retard. Rolled in budget negotiations by another borderline retard. Turned out after Election '12 to be another pathetic amnesty shill. HELL NO.

Huckabee: the guy who told Todd Akin to stay in the race because "God was testing his faith" and that if Akin did not waver, victory would surely be his. Instead, Akin went on to get incinerated in the election, and his staying in also damaged the prospects of GOP candidates all over the country. HELL NO.

Palin: damaged goods. In part due to her own long string of poor decisions, going back to Campaign '08, and agreeing to be interviewed by Couric. Could have supported her earlier if she had been more deliberative and a better planner. Now? HELL NO.

So I'm down for Woodchipper '16.

For VP, I'm still trying to decide between SMOD, Ebola, or Raccoon With Machine Gun.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2014 11:25 AM (noWW6)

214 It's simply because there are not enough Americans going into those
lines of work. Americans who have a science edge tend to go to med
school (or think they're going to med school) or something higher-paying
than being a lab tech.


Sufficient wages in STEM and less pay for NGO + crap-studies all derived from FedBukz would overcome the cultural flop of current American education. Not importing Tranzis funded by socialists overseas.

All variations of the Jobs Americans Won't Do line are wrong. Why should there be a free market in imported labor? Shouldn't all the benefits of America accrue here 1st

Posted by: DaveA at October 11, 2014 11:32 AM (DL2i+)

215 SMOD, Ebola, or Raccoon With Machine Gun.

SMOD it's quick, loud and takes care of all funeral arrangements,=.

Posted by: DaveA at October 11, 2014 11:36 AM (DL2i+)

216 "Americans who have a science edge tend to go to med

school (or think they're going to med school) or something higher-paying than being a lab tech."t

Or lab tech wages could rise to a level where Americans would reconsider the comparative career prospects.

This cycle of "oh, Americans won't do these jobs, they don't pay well enough" is a vicious one. We've been in that cycle since the 1970s. How's that working out for ya?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2014 11:38 AM (noWW6)

217 If we didn't have millions of illegals, wages for Jobs Americans Won't Do (JAWD) will rise to their natural level (read Adam Smith) and then Americans will do them.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 11, 2014 11:40 AM (mbEjm)

218 People don't go into STEM because they know they will be competing against Rajeev who will gladly work for $25K a year.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2014 11:41 AM (0LHZx)

219 Or lab tech wages could rise to a level where Americans would reconsider the comparative career prospects.

By, for example, reducing the cost of hiring.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 11, 2014 11:45 AM (J0IP0)

220 Palin is a big government person. The rest are even bigger government persons. She's the most honest but she is still a politician. When their ain't no more government swill for all these so called NGOs change will happen. Really cutting the federal budget is the only way to get these hogs to be reasonable. None of these candidates are up to it.

Posted by: Huggy at October 11, 2014 11:48 AM (PGh+Q)

221 On the poll, I didn't see the option "any of these except Huckabee."

Posted by: Mindy at October 11, 2014 11:53 AM (YpZ43)

222 i keep wondering when people will get it through their heads that sarah palin is not electable. she is a decent person. she is a true conservative, but the fact remains, her public image is so bad that she will never be president or elected to any public office again. she has no concept of how to manage her public image, and she is a walking pr disaster. unfortunately, having good pr is part of the job as a politician. ronald reagan would have never made some of the gaffes that she did. yes, the press went after her, yes, their was a campaign to completely destroy her in the public eye, but she sure did help 'em do it. it's not like it was a difficult thing to do. she is a wonderful woman, but she is so bad at pr. she is damaged goods, so people, please, stop living in fantasy land and realize that she is not a good political candidate. she is a great fund raiser, yes, but she will never be elected to political office.

Posted by: Miss Overdone at October 11, 2014 11:56 AM (2/oBD)

223 A second National Security Agency whistleblower exists within the ranks of government intelligence.

That bombshell comes toward the end of Citizenfour, a new documentary from filmmaker Laura Poitras about NSA informant Edward Snowden that had its world premiere on Friday at the New York Film Festival.

In the key scene, journalist Glenn Greenwald visits Snowden at a hotel room in Moscow. Fearing they are being taped, Greenwald communicates with Snowden via pen and paper.

While some of the exchanges are blurred for the camera, it becomes clear that Greenwald wants to convey that another government whistleblower -- higher in rank than Snowden -- has come forward.

Posted by: Edward Snowden at October 11, 2014 11:56 AM (e8kgV)

224 ...typo alert...i meant there not their...argh

Posted by: Miss Overdone at October 11, 2014 11:57 AM (2/oBD)

225 The system is broken. We broke it, or we sat back and allowed it to be broken, either way doesn't really matter. What matters is we don't have the courage to fix it.

So trying to figure out who we want to run the system doesn't really matter, and expecting them to fix what WE broke is irrational.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 11, 2014 12:01 PM (Dj0WE)

226 Did you know that many retards vote?.....especially in this poll.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at October 11, 2014 12:03 PM (XzRw1)

227 The fact that that first batch is even being mentioned as serious candidates is the reason I don't belong to the Republican Party.

Of the second batch, only Jindal and Walker are thorougly qualified for the job (nothing against Cruz, and I will vote for him if he's on the ballot, but he doesn't have the executive experience).

Walker has the experience of going head-to-head with the Dem machine... and winning. Jindal is both scary smart and effective.

Jindal/Walker or Walker/Jindal would be my preferred ticket.

Likelihood that the Republic Party will nominate either of those tickets? Zero.

Which is exactly what's wrong with the Republican Party. They'll come up with some bullshit about "electability" and give us another Romney or Bush clone.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at October 11, 2014 12:04 PM (JOaqu)

228 "... but she is so bad at pr. she is damaged goods, so people, please, stop
living in fantasy land and realize that she is not a good political
candidate. she is a great fund raiser, yes, but she will never be
elected to political office."


Fine, name your Republican PR genius who can get elected President. Mitt? Christie? Jebbers?

Posted by: Hadoop at October 11, 2014 12:05 PM (Ph479)

229 Torquewrench...I know, in my mind it keeps coming back to violent action. Less wonk and more Viking brutality.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 11, 2014 12:10 PM (HR3fb)

230 she is damaged goods, so people, please, stop living in fantasy land and
realize that she is not a good political candidate. she is a great fund
raiser, yes, but she will never be elected to political office.
=====

Money talks. If Sarah Palin announced that she was setting up a 2016 exploratory committee for a possible presidential run and said "send me $10 to make it happen", well ...

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2014 12:13 PM (JBggj)

231 Sarah Palin in 2016 is what Wendy Davis is in 2014.

Davis is the liberal wet dream who is getting tons of donations for a campaign that is going nowhere and never had a chance to go anywhere.

Palin is the conservative wet dream, but like Davis has a less than zero chance of actually winning an election.

That's just reality folks. And if you think otherwise, you're as clueless as the dolts at DailyKos who think Wendy is a lock to be the next governor of Texas.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2014 12:16 PM (0LHZx)

232 Of the second batch, only Jindal and Walker are thorougly qualified for the job (nothing against Cruz, and I will vote for him if he's on the ballot, but he doesn't have the executive experience).


__________


FFS, seriously? You'd not support Cruz because he doesn't have "experience"? Great. Support guys with lots of experience like Jeb Bush and Christie.

Democrats don't give a fuck about experience. They elect the candidate that can advance communism. Obama didn't have experience running the proverbial lemonade stand. And yet he did more to advance communism in 6 years than anyone else.

But yeah let's exclude someone like Cruz because he doesn't have enough "experience".

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2014 12:22 PM (0LHZx)

233 Reality = Juan McCain '08, Willard Romney '12, Jebbers '16

Winning! Tiger's blood!! Mooooooooooooo!

Posted by: Hadoop at October 11, 2014 12:22 PM (Ph479)

234
Davis is the liberal wet dream who is getting tons of donations for a
campaign that is going nowhere and never had a chance to go anywhere.

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IIRC, Wendy Davis was the Democratic nominee. I guess those donations worked for her.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2014 12:22 PM (JBggj)

235 So here's what Being Liberal proudly posted as a nugget of political wisdom:

It says: "When all the trees are cut down ... when all the animals are dead ... when all the waters are poisoned ... when all the air is unsafe to breathe ... only then will you discover: you cannot eat money."

I hate to break this to you, you blindingly stupid young thing, but even before I saw this picture I already knew that you can't eat money. I learned this not through a program of nonviolent resistance to the corporate death machine, but rather through trial and error, at age two. By the time I was two I had experimentally determined that you cannot, in fact, eat money, and thus was prepared to delve deeper into economics. But I am glad to see that you have achieved mastery of the fundamental concept.

Posted by: Fred Phelps at October 11, 2014 12:22 PM (e8kgV)

236 @231, Mr Moo Moo Wendy is going to lose big in Texas. I live there and her campaign is a joke.


Other thoughts - Even if an R wins the presidency and keep control of congress in 2016 I think they are going to screw us Big on immigration. I just have a bad feeling about that.

Posted by: Bad portrayal of a Preznit since 2008 at October 11, 2014 12:23 PM (cCxiu)

237 Sock off.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 11, 2014 12:25 PM (cCxiu)

238 235 contains a Bill Whittle quote. Those are not the words of any Fred Phelps.

Posted by: Mindy at October 11, 2014 12:25 PM (YpZ43)

239 I be running my pimp election game!

Posted by: Upgrayedd at October 11, 2014 12:25 PM (Ph479)

240
People at or below the federal minimum are:
* Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).

* Mostly (77%) white; nearly half are white women.

* Largely part-time workers (64% of the total).

Posted by: Jodie Evans at October 11, 2014 12:27 PM (e8kgV)

241 People at or below the federal minimum are:
* Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).

* Mostly (77%) white; nearly half are white women.

* Largely part-time workers (64% of the total).


Is there a point to this comment? Like, these are people willing to work!

Posted by: Upgrayedd at October 11, 2014 12:31 PM (Ph479)

242 I still say "vote for the worst candidate and hurry the collapse along sooner" is the way to go. Why delay the inevitable?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 11, 2014 12:46 PM (39g3+)

243 186 I hope Sarah Palin becomes a multi-billionaire, then creates a mercenary nuclear force to annihilate Washington DC and seize control of the US. California and the NE will be exiled (followed by months of carpet bombing).
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Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: @votermom at October 11, 2014 12:49 PM (cbfNE)

244 218
People don't go into STEM because they know they will be competing against Rajeev who will gladly work for $25K a year.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2014 11:41 AM (0LHZx)
---Have you ever hired a professional? Seriously, do you know a goddamn thing about HR rules? Where I've worked there's a thing called "pay equity" that prevents people from hiring anyone at below the going wage.
And in my positions, which were for people with more than the generic lab tech skills, I had to fight with HR to post it at a salary that was higher than most techs at my university. So it was not a low paying job.
But go ahead and tell me that I should leave a position unfilled for a year or more while I pray some American with the right skills decides to apply for my job... while the grant money goes unused.

Posted by: Y-not at October 11, 2014 12:53 PM (zDsvJ)

245 my only thought at the moment: a Repub takes the oath of office in Jan 2017 and he carries out one campaign promise that would motive me: Gowdy's committee does lots of investigations, finds lots of evidence that former Obama admin officials lied under oath. Gowdy wants them prosecuted. What response would you expect from Atty General Ted Cruz..?

Posted by: mallfly at October 11, 2014 01:19 PM (bJm7W)

246
GREAT post, Y-Not. Thank you. I've printed it and will be referring to it often.

And thank you to thoughtful morons for your value-adding posts.

But do so many Donks in a given group also get all flouncy and renounce candidates for one misstep or asthetic offense such as "Paul Ryan doesn't eat birthday cake when offered to him"? Jesus F. God.

With our checklists andscorched-earth contemptfor anyone who doesn't think JUST LIKE US on every single position we hold, I fear we are doomed again.

Posted by: Liberpublican at October 11, 2014 01:22 PM (q6VO8)

247 No perfect candidates in the mix, though Palin comes the closest for me (YMMV).

That said, I fear that 2016 will again be a case of choosing the lesser evil rather than selecting the Best Constitutional Conservative Candidate most capable of winning a general election.

What is the ultimate action for 2016? Staying engaged, fire establishment Republicans whenever possible, replacing them with competent BCCCs who cater to voters instead of the press.

The GOP brand is still tarnished (thanks to events inside and outside of the party), and the Tea Party is not consistent in its execution of fielding good candidates that can articulate and educate voters about the reasons why conservatism is preferable to statism.

I would support a Palin candidacy in a heartbeat, but would support the eventual GOP candidate in the fall election cycle, regardless of winner, over the Democratic candidate.

There was a moment, before the Israelis began their 40 year meandering in the desert, where a few souls comprehended the gravity of their situation, and that they would likely NOT live to see the Promised Land. Sometimes, I feel as if a White House loss in 2016 would be the political equivalent of a multigenerational trek into darkness for the United States.

I honestly hope that I am dead wrong about that sentiment.

Posted by: ItzWicks at October 11, 2014 01:29 PM (WEmyR)

248 Would Palin actually entertain a 2016 White House run? I don't think so. She is currently doing what she does best: making speeches, writing columns, supporting candidates that meet her approval, and making money. As far as gigs go, that ain't all that bad.

A future POTUS candidacy (2020, 2024) is still a possibility, but she is going to have to do a LOT of public relations restoration to offset years of character assassination by the MSM (or LSM, Drive-By's, or whatever you prefer) in the American electorate.

The last time I checked, it was a free country, and anyone who met the legal requirements could run if he or she wished to do so. I am tired of folks who want to armchair quarterback to the rest of us as to whom should run vs whom should stay home.

Run for office if you wish. May the best candidate win, and the worst candidate be trounced off of the stage.. where they can do whatever they wish in the private sector.

Posted by: ItzWicks at October 11, 2014 01:42 PM (WEmyR)

249 "You'd not support Cruz because he doesn't have "experience"?"

Executive experience is an actual thing, you know.

And I didn't say I "wouldn't support Cruz". In fact, I explicitly said I'd vote for him if he were on the ballot.

Reading: also a thing.

"Democrats don't give a fuck about experience."

Well, I'm not a Democrat.

"And yet he did more to advance communism in 6 years than anyone else. "

Breaking stuff is easier than fixing it. Any idiot (e.g., Obama) can break stuff.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at October 11, 2014 02:04 PM (JOaqu)

250 Huck thinks "stricter punishment reduces crime"? Could've fooled me. Huck's policies on crime are most reminiscent of Mike Dukakis's. Google "Maurice Clemmons" for details.

Posted by: Joshua at October 11, 2014 02:23 PM (fODeX)

251 None of the above.

Romney is RomneyCare - and he still weakly defends it. Also, he can never lead a party that has working class appeal. Let a legitimate populist appoint him to some wonkish financial position. Non-starter.

Ryan is two-faced. He's carrying water on amnesty and pork while trying to sound like Hayek. You nailed the hot buttons - the budget deal and amnesty totally soured me on this guy. He's another non-starter for me.

Huckabee - as I've said here before, all of Boehner's faux weepy sentimentality on fiscal issues and law order, all of Santorum's rhetorical excess on social issues. He supported a flat tax at one point, which made him appealing, but the whole package amounts to another "compassionate" half-assed conservative.

Palin - RNC chair, maybe. Candidate - nope - even before her latest shenanigans (say what you may about media bias, I think there's some fire in that smoke - it's not shocking Alaskans drink, but you're a national political figure, Sarah - wrong place, wrong time, wrong behavior, etc - at least tell Bristol to hit Betty Ford for a few weeks). She fell off the candidate map for me when she quit the statehouse and decided to be a pundit and celebrity. If she'd stuck to her guns as governor then run for Senate, who knows, but her career arc since 2008 has bolstered, not refuted, the idea that she's an intellectual lightweight at best if not the Tea Party version of Brittney Spears or Tonya Harding. You can get away with more baggage at RNC. DWS acts crazy all the time, so did Dean. She elected for star-power, let her use it to raise money and give great speeches. But she's electoral kryptonite. I love how she makes heads explode, but fairly or unfairly she's packing more baggage than Alaska Airlines.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at October 11, 2014 02:31 PM (QKIQb)

252 #251

10 lines combined slamming Mitt, Huck, and Ryan

13 lines devoted to slamming Sarah Palin

Message received and understood.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2014 02:36 PM (JBggj)

253 "Message received and understood."

You just demonstrated why I used more verbiage. She can't be criticized without someone getting personally butt-hurt about it. You guys are your own self-fulfilling prophecy of persecution now. One-line criticism would provoke a wall of text as to why I'm wrong, and too much criticism shows I'm just a H8er.

Add this to the list of why she can't be a candidate. Her supporters can't take her being criticized. I don't want a personality cult even if it's on my side.

I want to like her, dude. Thus the long apologia in telling the painful truth. But since that just makes me one of Them, I give up trying to placate you.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at October 11, 2014 02:44 PM (QKIQb)

254 You just demonstrated why I used more verbiage. She can't be criticized
without someone getting personally butt-hurt about it. You guys are your
own self-fulfilling prophecy of persecution now.
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Hey, I'm not a hater. I'm a lover!

And I'm not butt-hurt about your post, either. It is amusing that you dish out the dismissive filler for Mitt, Huck, and Ryan in prep for the main event, which includes comparing Palin to Tonya Harding, Brittney Spears, and Howard Dean. Please post more often!

I'm in the "the more the merrier" camp when it comes to Republican primaries. I don't (often) slam other people's choices, although I'm not a big Romney fan, because of Etch-A-Sketch. I think on personal level, Mitt is a good guy. I even voted for him.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2014 02:53 PM (JBggj)

255 "Please post more often!"

Please continue proving my point with more thumb-sucking snotty responses. Done with you.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at October 11, 2014 02:56 PM (QKIQb)

256 Thanks for all the work you've done on these political threads, Y-not.

And it's not 'for nothing'...it's good to review this stuff.

I'm just praying that the upcoming primary won't be as big of a clown-clusterfuck as it was the last time.

Posted by: wheatie at October 11, 2014 08:17 PM (BNbCx)

257 I worked as a journalist (I know, I'm recovering) during the years Huckabee was governor in Arkansas and I saw him fight Democrats over taxes, etc. He is NOT a big government liberal. Look at his record as governor of Arkansas for 10 years.

Just saying. I live in Arkansas. We are not big government here.

Posted by: Lucas Roebuck at October 11, 2014 09:29 PM (Lxhua)

258 I want Palin to be the nominee because, after we lose 47% to 89% (136% of eligible voters turning out), she'll be the logical first choice for spiritual leader of the rebellion. Can you imagine trying to dress Romney up in war-paint and put him on horseback?

Posted by: joeclark77 at October 12, 2014 02:33 AM (CSEWh)

259 ACE OF SPACES...if you want to report on the candidates records, it would be FAIR and only the RIGHT thing to do, to report it correctly.

You did a pretty good job giving some history for Sarah Palin, and it doesn't pay to get to detailed at this point, there is plenty time for her to discuss in detail her many achievements when she starts running. However, on the ISSUES bullet points, especially ILLEGAL immigrants and AMNESTY are on the forefront, I believe we NEED to ask you to correct this major issues that you stated Sarah Palins's position INCORRECTLY. Sarah Palin is not in favor of Amnesty, a *pathway to legalization* She has spoken out on this more often than most. And if it weren't for her coming out strongly condemning the Senate's vote FOR it, when it was in the Houses's hands to vote on it, it might have passed there, too.

There is much to support this, including VIDEO, whether on FOX, independently or on Sarah Palin channel. And as a friend correctly NOTES "Palin helped turn the tide
against the immigration bill with her stinging rebuke of Rubio (evoking
Judas's "Thirty pieces of silver"). She criticized Obama's illegal Dream
Act that triggered the flood of illegal minors. She called for Obama's
impeachment for his skirting of immigration law. How hard must she fight
against amnesty and legalization before ACE of Spades stops
misrepresenting her position on amnesty?
On the other hand ACE says Huckabee opposes legalization when in fact he favored legalization."

I'm sure you'll want to correct this, so you have correctly informed your readers of the honest facts.

Posted by: ImaLindatoo at October 12, 2014 12:26 PM (0Z5wn)

260 259..a good start to rebut the " I like Palin, but she is unelectable because........" what the media, campaign-consultant, establishment politics of special interests' tell you to believe..in order to keep their gravy train of big government going.

The robots repeating crap made up about a candidate because they cannot debate policy with an original idea, go personal tabloid trype. Defeat enablers..it might help us to stop nominating people who fight conservatives more than liberals...and with fear as their guide.


Fact: people who vote and donate $10 to their candidate, not a party; are motivated and will win in '16..not a Chamber of Commerce, Amnesty, media-shill, change opinion daily, ordained of wall-street succubi.

And if the hildebeast mafia holds, Sarah Palin is the only politician able to save us from the hoardes!

Posted by: palinbeatsturdblossom at October 12, 2014 08:12 PM (/qiij)

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